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| dhellmann | yeah, I was just trying to remember if that was the case | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | hey, there we go | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 4 14:06:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless | 14:07 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | #link our agenda is under R-5 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:07 |
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| ttx | that etherpad is starting to be so huge it's pretty slow | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I've started seeing letters inserted in the wrong order when I type, too. Next cycle we probably want to split the calendar into a few pages | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | maybe one per milestone | 14:08 |
| dims | o/ partially here | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | anyhow, let's start | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | #topic m3 deadline | 14:08 |
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| ttx | So we have 3 misses | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | thanks, ttx, for putting together the list of projects that haven't done releases | 14:08 |
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| ttx | On managed one (barbican) | 14:08 |
| ttx | and trove-dashboard | 14:09 |
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| ttx | In the official list, Astara missed the date again | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if trove-dashboard was merged into horizon? amrith, david-lyle? | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | I've pinged adam_g about that, but I think he's west coast | 14:09 |
| ttx | dhellmann: about barbican, you noted that they were just waiting for a late patch | 14:09 |
| ttx | I haven't sent the m3 email announcement yet | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I didn't get a patch id | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | I'll ping redrobot | 14:10 |
| ttx | so we could squeeze it in | 14:10 |
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| ttx | adam_g: what about Astara ? | 14:10 |
| ttx | ok | 14:10 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: are you fine adding barbican and trove-dashboard if we can get them in the next hours ? | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | since astara isn't managed, I think it's safe to announce m3 without them, even if we let them slip a tag in later today | 14:11 |
| ttx | sure | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to get both barbican and trove-dashboard in though, assuming amrith actually wants a trove-dashboard release | 14:12 |
| amrith | hello | 14:12 |
| ttx | ack | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | I need to come up with a better way to track who's keeping up with the schedule next cycle. A checklist of deliverables. | 14:12 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, trove-dashboard should be released, yes. | 14:12 |
| amrith | I wasn't sure whether it is treated as a 'client library' | 14:12 |
| amrith | and the understanding we had was that horizon would get it | 14:12 |
| ttx | no, it's treated as an extra thing | 14:12 |
| ttx | same deadlines as trove itself | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | if follows cycle-with-milestones, so we need a 0b3 tag | 14:13 |
| amrith | well, extra thing with its own release or extra thing that horizon will get? | 14:13 |
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| ttx | most projects release the -ui extensions at the same time as the main thing | 14:13 |
| amrith | ok, a b3 tag shall be produced ;) | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | amrith : according to http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/trove.html the trove team manages it | 14:13 |
| amrith | dhellmann, ok, I'll make a b3 tag. | 14:13 |
| ttx | amrith: thx | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | amrith : great, thanks! | 14:13 |
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| amrith | what's the convention re: the version numbering? Same as trove I assume? | 14:13 |
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| ttx | amrith: well... | 14:14 |
| amrith | when they are to be release together (same time) | 14:14 |
| ttx | the issue is it's been using it's own | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | amrith : it doesn't have to be | 14:14 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288339/ | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | I see 6.0.0.0b2 there now | 14:14 |
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| amrith | yikes | 14:14 |
| amrith | that's 'interesting'. | 14:15 |
| ttx | amrith: you might want to post a follw-up patch to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288339/ | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | though that's probably an old one | 14:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no, it's the m2 one | 14:15 |
| amrith | well, that's about 4h old. I think ttx just posted that this AM | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, I see that's a new patch now | 14:15 |
| ttx | yes, it's just documenting the existing patch | 14:15 |
| ttx | tag | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | got it | 14:16 |
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| amrith | how badly would the wheels come off if I sent up a 5.0.0.0b3? | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | very badly, you can't go backwards | 14:16 |
| amrith | seems to make sense that Trove 5.0.0.0b3 goes with trove-dashboard 5.0.0.0b3, no? | 14:16 |
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| ttx | yes, but things would be very unhappy | 14:17 |
| amrith | ok, so going backwards is out. | 14:17 |
| ttx | like they would continue to use 6.0.0.0b2 anyway | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | your users would come and find you and do unpleasant things to you for breaking their upgrades | 14:17 |
| amrith | so it may be too late to catch this bus | 14:17 |
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| ttx | I'd say do a 6.0.0.0b3 | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:18 |
| ttx | and maybe align next cycle | 14:18 |
| amrith | and at a later time, maybe trove has to skip release 6 and go straight to 7 in lock step with dashboard. | 14:18 |
| amrith | ok, sounds good. | 14:18 |
| ttx | i.e. go from 6 to 8 | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | you can fix them next cycle by jumping trove to 7 | 14:18 |
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| ttx | err | 14:18 |
| ttx | 5 to 7 | 14:18 |
| amrith | yup | 14:18 |
| ttx | right | 14:18 |
| amrith | ok, I'll send up a trove-dashboard 6.0.0.0.0b3 | 14:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe we can fast-approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288339/ | 14:18 |
| amrith | sorry, I'll figure the right number of 0's. | 14:18 |
| ttx | so that amrith posts his on top | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | done | 14:18 |
| amrith | you want me to dep on 288339? | 14:18 |
| amrith | or just wait for you to merge | 14:19 |
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| ttx | amrith: should be in master really soon. | 14:19 |
| amrith | and then submit | 14:19 |
| amrith | ok, thanks | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | amrith : give it a few minutes to merge, those jobs don't take long | 14:19 |
| amrith | will do it | 14:19 |
| ttx | amrith: thx | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | amrith : thanks | 14:19 |
| ttx | next | 14:19 |
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| ttx | python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 14:19 |
| ttx | missed lib freezae | 14:19 |
| ttx | not used anywhere so smcginnis wanted to do a release next week | 14:20 |
| ttx | At this stage I wonder if it's not simpler to make a first release in newton | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | there's a 0.1.0 tag, when was that from? | 14:20 |
| ttx | since it won't be used before | 14:20 |
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| ttx | hmm | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I just tagged that yesterday | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | it might have been late | 14:20 |
| ttx | oh | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | 15:12 -0500 | 14:21 |
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| ttx | I see it now. Ignore me | 14:21 |
| ttx | Next | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | ok, then cloudkitty | 14:21 |
| ttx | python-cloudkittyclient needed for client lib deadline today | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | is that project active? | 14:21 |
| ttx | sheeprine told me he would push a tag request now | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:22 |
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| ttx | so it should be there anytime now, just doing a few last-minute tests | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | how about the server-side projects? | 14:22 |
| ttx | So that's the next topic | 14:22 |
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| ttx | Things that do intermediary releases but haven't yet | 14:23 |
| ttx | cloudkitty, cloudkitty-dashboard: sheeprine promised me one in the next 10 days | 14:23 |
| ttx | ironic-ui: do you have news | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | jroll : what's the plan for ironic-ui? | 14:23 |
| * dhellmann has no news | 14:23 | |
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| ttx | Last one I caught this morning was sahara-tests, no idea what plans SergeyLukjanov has for this | 14:24 |
| ttx | we should keep a close eye on those next week | 14:24 |
| ttx | and nag | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:24 |
| ttx | I spotted a number of other issues while I went through my lists this morning | 14:24 |
| ttx | I opened reviews for the first 3 | 14:25 |
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| ttx | The 4th is in progress, except angdraug hasn't +1ed my review so it's stuck | 14:25 |
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| ttx | The last 5 I want to discuss now | 14:25 |
| ttx | - Missing entry for tacker 0.1.0 (tacker, tacker-horizon, python-tackerclient) | 14:25 |
| ttx | I suspect we want to include that in the mitaka page ? Even if recent ? | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I don't see that, did it merge already? | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, probably | 14:26 |
| ttx | so we need to file a releases yaml for it | 14:26 |
| ttx | I'll do that | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, I thought you were saying you'd already done so, sorry I see now | 14:27 |
| ttx | - pbr is release:independent but appears in mitaka deliverables | 14:27 |
| ttx | so this is a mismatch but I have no idea what would be correct | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | hmm, yeah. | 14:27 |
| ttx | I'll let you sort that one out and file the fix | 14:27 |
| ttx | - tempest is cycle-with-intermediary but hasn't done a "release" | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | we don't do stable branches, but it seems important to indicate which version of pbr we need | 14:28 |
| ttx | tempest is another odd one | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:28 |
| amrith | ttx, dhellmann ... shouldn't dashboard projects also feature in requirements/upper-constraints/global-constraints? How else do we tie a particular dashboard version to a 'release'? | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | there are some old stable branches, but I don't think mtreinish is using stable branches for tempest any more so maybe we should make it release:independent | 14:28 |
| ttx | amrith: install docs I suspect | 14:29 |
| amrith | ouch | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | amrith : if nothing actually depends on it, the install guide and the releases.openstack.org page will do it | 14:29 |
| ttx | - Other dashboards should not be considered "libraries" | 14:29 |
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| amrith | how then do we manage dependencies? | 14:29 |
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| ttx | So we have a bit of inconsistency where some -ui or -dashboard or -horizon project are type:library, some are packed with deliverables, and some don't have type | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that may indicate that we need another type: tag? | 14:30 |
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| ttx | My current take on them is that they should either be packed with deliverables or not use type: for the moment | 14:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe, in the mean time I'd like to move those from library to other | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 14:30 |
| ttx | murano-dashboard, monasca-ui | 14:30 |
| ttx | astara-horizon | 14:31 |
| ttx | I think that is all | 14:31 |
| ttx | the others are already there | 14:31 |
| ttx | That will make it clearer that the deadline don't apply to them | 14:31 |
| amrith | ok, I guess that's an independent conversation. I see your change merged, I'll push up 6.0.0.0b3 in a couple of minutes | 14:31 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, will propose the fix for that too | 14:32 |
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| ttx | finall last one | 14:33 |
| ttx | training-labs is release:cycle-with-milestones | 14:33 |
| amrith | amrith proposed openstack/releases: Release 6.0.0.0b3 of trove-dashboard https://review.openstack.org/288481 | 14:33 |
| ttx | which is kinda very weird | 14:33 |
| ttx | given it didn't tag anything yet | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | I don't even know what training-labs is, I'll check with loquacities | 14:33 |
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| ttx | Alright. All covered | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | I really thought we'd straightened out the release model tags already. This is more mismatches than I expected. | 14:34 |
| ttx | dhellmann: people keep doing weird things | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | ready to move on to requirements? | 14:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | tried to read throught the conversation, but couldnt find the answer — is there anything wrong with murano-dashboard currently? | 14:35 |
| ttx | kzaitsev_mb: not really. I'll remove the type:library tag from it since it's a horizon plugin | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | kzaitsev_mb : we may want to change some tags, but that's it | 14:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | oh, got it =) you were talking about different type of tags =) | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | yeah, governance tags :-) | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | #topic freezing requirements | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | dims: just in time | 14:36 |
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| dims | :) | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | I have a list there in the etherpad of a bunch of the patches I think we want to land for requirements. | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | I think we *don't* want to land *any* others, including any future auto-generated constraints updates | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | does that match what your expectations are? | 14:37 |
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| dims | yes, no more merges either to g-r or constraints. | 14:38 |
| ttx | It looks sane but I'll admit I haven't looked at the whole list | 14:38 |
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| dims | anything we release today should be updated in upper constraints though | 14:38 |
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| dims | dhellmann : agree? | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | dims : good point, we had one or two more client releases on that list from earlier | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | I'll add those to the etherpad as they come in | 14:40 |
| dims | dhellmann : cool | 14:40 |
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| dims | dhellmann : i am debating a oslo.cache update to match the dogpile.cache bump. as projects don't define dogpile directly and rely on oslo.cache to pull that in | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, we can make adjustments if we find the need | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | dims : is that a new minimum? | 14:41 |
| dims | dogpile.cache is a new minimum. yes | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I agree, it would be good to have that set with oslo.cache | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | do we want to raise the minimum for oslo.cache, then? | 14:42 |
| dims | ok. i'll spend some time today poking at list_oslo_unreleased_changes | 14:42 |
| dims | dhellmann : yes, otherwise it would not work | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | the etherpad is starting to slow down a lot, I may go ahead and create a new one for finalizing the release | 14:44 |
| dims | that's the only one i had, will raise red flags if i see anything else | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | if so, I'll stick a link in this one | 14:44 |
| dims | thanks | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | #topic lib stable branches | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | we've scheduled this for early next week | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | dims, you wanted to try to do some oslo releases earlier? | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | sorry, branches | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | I think you'd want to leave oslo.cache out, since we're planning another requirements update there | 14:45 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: do you see any reason to wait until monday? | 14:45 |
| dims | so can we just create the branches so folks can work on master say middle of next week | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | so do you want to wait? | 14:45 |
| ttx | dhellmann: breaking things on Friday is a bad idea ? | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | ttx: very true | 14:46 |
| dims | dhellmann : we don't have to do it today. just figuring out if we could do it and if there are any obstacles | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | dims : ah, I see | 14:46 |
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| dims | so i can tell the team on monday in the oslo team meeting | 14:46 |
| dims | ttx : +1 :) | 14:47 |
| jroll | dhellmann: I'm told ironic-ui should have something this week, I have yet to find out how true this is | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | we always cut a branch from a release, so you can go ahead and let them work with the understanding that if they commit features we'll have to set up the branch and backport bug fixes | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | jroll : today's the day :-) | 14:47 |
| jroll | mhm | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | jroll : if there's someone else I should talk to, let me know? | 14:47 |
| dims | dhellmann : cool. will pass that along | 14:47 |
| jroll | dhellmann: betherly is leading that | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | jroll : ack, I'll ping her | 14:48 |
| jroll | I just poked her in ironic channel | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:48 |
| betherly | hi jroll dhellmann | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | hi, betherly, we were hoping to get an idea of when ironic-ui would be ready for a release or milestone tag? | 14:49 |
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| betherly | trying to get through review process. made a whole ton of changes this am to meet reviewer requests so waiting on the +2s before it can merge | 14:49 |
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| betherly | have pinged krotscheck to see if he can +2 things today | 14:49 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: looking at the tacker 0.1.0 tag it seems to be pretty empty and we shouldn't probably consider it a mitaka release. | 14:50 |
| ttx | so I'll move tacker to the "ping for an intermediary release" section | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | betherly : ok, it's marked as using the cycle-with-intermediary model, which means we'd like to have a release soon that we can use to fall back on if there are issues with any point releases between now and final | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sounds good | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | betherly : basically, something *close* to final, with the expectation that you might have bug fixes but not features to land before actual final | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | or there may be no changes needed, and we could use that version as final | 14:51 |
| betherly | dhellmann: i will do my best to get it up there today for sure i will keep both you and jroll in the loop | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | betherly : thanks! drop by #openstack-release if you have questions or updates | 14:52 |
| betherly | will do thanks dhellmann! | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: means we shoudl probably ask for a python-tackerclient release ~todayish | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | ttx: noted | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | I've started filling in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan by adding some of the incomplete action items from this cycle | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | we can review those when we get closer to the end of the cycle and are ready to start doing planning | 14:54 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: would be good to get an idea of what lifeless managed to implement of his mitaka plan for constraints, so that we know what to defer to newton | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do you have a draft of the announcement email ready? | 14:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: not yet | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx; yeah, I need to confer with him | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: did you see my note about the FFE for ironic-lib under R-4? | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | they have a FFE, but it's a lib, so they'll need to update the minimum requirement next week | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | should we make the deadline tuesday? | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | I think only ironic-python-agent will actually need to have that min updated | 14:57 |
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| ttx | if only ironic-python-agent is affected... they can have the whole week | 14:58 |
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| ttx | we'll have others as RC bugs are discovered in libs | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | good point | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | ok, anything else? we're about out of time | 14:58 |
| ttx | nope | 14:58 |
| ttx | FOr newton we should work on automating the verification I did manually this morning | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | yeah, definitely | 14:59 |
| ttx | i.e. governance/releases mismatches, and missing releases | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | it would be nice to have some sort of dashboard | 14:59 |
| ttx | ++ | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | something to think about | 14:59 |
| ttx | also releases/git mismatches, like missing tags | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | yes, good point | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | we have some scripts for importing git tags, but they tend to produce messy results | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, we're out of time and should give up the channel | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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