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| thinrichs | Hi all. Time for the congress meeting. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 00:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| ramineni1 | hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | ramineni, ekcs, pballand: courtesy poing | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | hi all | 00:02 |
| pballand | hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Short agenda this week. Just want to go through statuses and discuss progress on the distributed arch. | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Who wants to go first and tell us what you've been up to? | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: how about you? | 00:04 |
| ekcs | sure | 00:04 |
| ekcs | I've added to each heartbeat payload the list of target:tables each node subscribes to. WIP because tests are incomplete. | 00:04 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281586/1 | 00:04 |
| ekcs | Next step is changing the policy engines to use that information. Not completely straightforward because the current trigger mechanism is dependent on a handler being called each time a subs/unsubs occurs. | 00:04 |
| ekcs | Straigtforward migration would make dseNode generate handler calls as it observes change in subscribed tables owned by each service. Seems inefficient, but it seems like the only solution short of dismantling the policy engines. | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | Also fixed a simple bug I came upon during the heartbeat work. https://review.openstack.org/281518 | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | Why would the handler calls be inefficient? Once per subscription, right? | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | yes, but the node needs to keep taking deltas on every heartbeat to determine when to call the handlers. | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | What if the heartbeat contained deltas? | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | I even wondered if we should publish subscribers as a special table and leverage the delta computation for regular tables. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | Or are deltas a problem for heartbeats? | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | yea that’s an idea I’ve been thinjing about too. pballand you have any thoughts? | 00:08 |
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| pballand | I’m confused... | 00:09 |
| pballand | what is the inefficiency? | 00:09 |
| pballand | looking for new nodes to publish data to? | 00:09 |
| ekcs | computing what has changed in the list of subscribed tables each time a heartbeat is recieved. | 00:10 |
| ekcs | in order to update the publish triggers in say agnostic. | 00:11 |
| pballand | each node knows what tables it can publish; it maintains a list of subscribers for each table… right so far? | 00:11 |
| ekcs | I think it’ll be fine, but not most elegant. the more general question is whether there is a problem with sending diffs over heartbeat. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | yes basically. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | right now I have it maintaining whether a table HAS subscribers. but can easily do it differently. | 00:12 |
| pballand | so when a node receives a heartbeat, it updates the publish targets for each table… what is the problem? | 00:12 |
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| ekcs | it’s not a problem. I think it’ll work fine and it’s what i’m going for right now. just inelegant because we translate a diff signal into a state signal and then back into a diff signal. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | pballand: are there ordering issues with heartbeats? Do the heartbeats always get delivered? | 00:14 |
| pballand | for table in peer_subscriptions: if self.has_table(): self.update_subscriber(peer) | 00:14 |
| pballand | thinrichs: yes, no | 00:14 |
| pballand | nodes can come up and down at any time - they can certainly miss updates | 00:15 |
| pballand | I don’t see what problem deltas are solving other than reducing a trivial amount of computation | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | So it sounds that publishing all subscribers in every heartbeat and computing deltas is fine computationally, right pballand? | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: does that sound right to you? | 00:16 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I agree. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | but ultimately I think it’ll be architecturally cleaner to use a special table that contains subscriptions. and use the general mechansim for syncing tables. | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | not sure if pballand sees any issues with that. | 00:17 |
| pballand | ekcs: that sounds fancy :) no problem with that | 00:18 |
| pballand | thinrichs: (right) | 00:18 |
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| ekcs | but in the mean time i’m just aiming to get the basic funcitonality done using heartbeat. | 00:18 |
| pballand | (we’re talking a few dozen/hundred hash lookups + string comparisons - pretty trivial) | 00:18 |
| ekcs | agreed. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | that’s all from me. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: sounds good. We can revisit later as we get a better handle on the pain points. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | Let's move on. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: want to go next? | 00:19 |
| ramineni1 | sure | 00:19 |
| ramineni1 | exception related bug is complete, now i guess all the tests are enabled in api-models and wrkng fine | 00:20 |
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| ramineni1 | im looking into migrating datasource model | 00:20 |
| ramineni1 | now | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | ramineni1: what's your plan for the datasource model? In particular for creating/deleting datasources. | 00:21 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: I saw your comment on the patch, about moving into dse node | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni1: I asked partly for me but also for everyone else, so we can get everyone thinking about it. | 00:22 |
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| ramineni1 | thinrichs: im thinking about keeping manager as seperate file and adding reference to dsenode, | 00:22 |
| ramineni1 | thinrichs: now accoring to harness change , all api models will have a node attribute right | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni1: each api model will have a reference to the DataService they live inside. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | which is a little weird, | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | but it seems clear that the API models need to send RPC calls, either to other dataServices or to DseNodes. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | So yes each api model will have a reference to its service, and each service has a reference to its node, so the API can invoke rpc calls on DseNodes. | 00:25 |
| pballand | that sounds reasonable to me - what do you find weird about that thinrichs? | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | Just the usual OO stuff: API model is a member of DataService, and DataService is a member of DseNode, but API model also has a reference to both the DataService and DseNode that contain it. | 00:27 |
| pballand | the model doesn’t need a ref to the node, right? | 00:28 |
| pballand | (agreed that having a ref to both is weird) | 00:28 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I thought API model is subclass of DataService? | 00:29 |
| pballand | the service can have methods to invoke RPCs to hide the fact that it’s calling the node to do it | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: That's what we're doing with the RPCs that go to other DataServices. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | pballand: with the create/delete datasource, however, the natural place is to put that code into the DseNode (not the service), which means the APi-model is RPCing into the Node. | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | back, sorry, power failure | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: not any more. | 00:30 |
| pballand | thinrichs: right - any concerns with exposing a method on service for invoking node rpcs? | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | pballand: nope—that seems to be the right abstraction: having a dataservice_rpc and a dsenode_rpc (or something with better names) defined in the API-model base class. | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: we didn't think that having each API model as a separate dataservice made sense. | 00:31 |
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| pballand | thinrichs: ok, I thanks for clearing that up for me | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Though now is the time to debate that. | 00:32 |
| pballand | s/I thanks/thanks | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | pballand: np | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | Maybe we should talk that through quickly... | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | Two options for the API-models and how they are deployed on the DSE2.... | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | 1. Each API-model is its own DataService | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | 2. All API-models are encapsulated within 1 DataService | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: correct me if I'm wrong... | 00:34 |
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| pballand | I had assumed 2; what’s the advantage to 1.? | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | Putting each API model into its own DataService is awkward given that there is 1 router describes how to map http requests to API-models. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | makes sense. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Here's a change where we're moving to (2) | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | pballand: I had assumed (2) as well, but we had (in my mind temporarily) implemented (1) | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: any thoughts about option 1 versus 2? | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | (Before I forget again, masahito let me know he's on a plane to Tokyo right now, which is why he couldn't make it.) | 00:37 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, 2 makes more sense, but does your harness change propsed now covers that | 00:37 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 00:37 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: i thought you were passing reference to teh node it is registered | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: I think my patch covers that—changes the base class of base.APIModel to object and then passes a reference to the DataService in the constructor. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280424/3/congress/api/base.py | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | (I'm planning on changing self.bus to self.service or the like.) | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | So then if we move the create/delete datasource logic into DseNode, … | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | we'll add an invoke_node_rpc (or similar) to that file and call it from the datasource_model | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | whenever we need to create/delete a datasource. | 00:40 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: oh, got it | 00:41 |
| pballand | sounds good to me | 00:41 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: will change accordingly | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: what do you think? | 00:41 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: seems to make sense. | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | so each model has a ref to the containing service. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | pballand: want to look at my change to see if it's what you were moving toward? Anything that's going to bite me later? | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: yep | 00:42 |
| ekcs | and then it can get a ref to the containing node through the containing service. | 00:43 |
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| ekcs | but we’re encapsulating interaction with the node within a method. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: yep | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | So it should all be hidden from the model. | 00:44 |
| ekcs | sounds sensible. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | That's a pretty natural segue to my status update… | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | The patch I linked to earlier is trying to replace the old harness with a new harness ... | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | (where we initialize the message bus, add the policy engine, API, previously configured datasources, etc. to the bus). | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Seems to be going mostly okay. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | For testing, I realized I should be porting (or at least taking inspiration from) the old test_congress. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | So the idea for the tests is…. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | Use harness to spin up a DseNode along with the policy engine and API. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | Use API calls to create (fake) datasources… | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Use API calls to create policies, add rules, etc. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | The goal is not to have comprehensive API tests, but rather to make sure everything is hooked up right | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | on the bus. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | The only bit that we won't be testing is the web server that maps HTTP requests down to the API models. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (Above I should have said 'Use API-models to create (fake) datasources') | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | How does that testing sound? | 00:50 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: sounds good to me | 00:50 |
| pballand | sounds good to me | 00:50 |
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| ekcs | makes sense. | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | Once we get all the unit(ish) tests passing, hopefully that'll get us a long way toward a working system. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | masahito is working on the next level up from harness: getting the server started... | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280793/ | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Once those 3 pieces are in place (server, harness, datasource-model), I think we might need to move to tempest-level tests. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Does that sound right? | 00:53 |
| ramineni_ | yes | 00:53 |
| ramineni_ | but tempest doesn't change much right | 00:54 |
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| ramineni_ | it should work as it is, with changed config option | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | I guess we'd be testing masahito's server change. | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | But you're right that we're API compatible, so the devstack scripts should work... | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | I guess we're not using any real rabbitMQ yet, so even that shouldn't change. | 00:55 |
| ramineni_ | ya | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | Time check…4 minutes left. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | Almost ran out of time. Anyone have anything else to discuss? | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | That's it for today then. Thanks all! Let's keep plugging away to get this all in place for Mitaka! | 00:59 |
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| ekcs | laters | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 01:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-02-18-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
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| Daisy | We will start i18n meeting soon. | 12:59 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 13:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| eumel8 | hi ho | 13:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, eumel8 | 13:00 |
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| jftalta | #openstack-meeting | 13:00 |
| Daisy | jftalta: Welcome | 13:00 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hi! | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | Hi Daisy | 13:01 |
| jftalta | Hello | 13:01 |
| katomo | Hi, Daisy, eumel8 | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | Hi katomo | 13:01 |
| doug-fish | hi all | 13:01 |
| katomo | hi jftalta ianychoi_phone | 13:01 |
| Daisy | Great. It looks like we have all people here. | 13:01 |
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| Daisy | Then let's start. | 13:01 |
| katomo | hi doug-fish | 13:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Follow up with translation check website | 13:01 |
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| ujuc | hi | 13:02 |
| Daisy | eumel8: can you describe the status of this work ? | 13:02 |
| Daisy | I was a week away and I'm a little lost. | 13:02 |
| katomo | hi ujuc | 13:02 |
| eumel8 | yes, review is starting. we're in the 2nd round. Fixed some issues, awaiting response drom infra team | 13:02 |
| eumel8 | from | 13:03 |
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| Daisy | Thank you. | 13:03 |
| doug-fish | that's great! do you have a link to the patch? | 13:03 |
| Daisy | Are there anything left that we can help ? | 13:03 |
| katomo | great | 13:03 |
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| eumel8 | maybe we can ask for more support from infra if they have time | 13:04 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:f.kloeker%2540telekom.de+status:open | 13:04 |
| Daisy | What kind of support ? | 13:04 |
| doug-fish | thx | 13:04 |
| Daisy | quick response, maybe . :) | 13:04 |
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| eumel8 | for review | 13:05 |
| Daisy | ok. I will talk with pleia2 to see if she can spend more time with us. | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | thx | 13:06 |
| ujuc | hi katomo :) | 13:06 |
| Daisy | Anything else ? eumel8 | 13:06 |
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| eumel8 | no, I think we're in a final stadium | 13:07 |
| Daisy | Thank you, eumel8. | 13:07 |
| Daisy | Let's move to next topic then. | 13:07 |
| Daisy | #topic Get ready for Mitaka translation | 13:07 |
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| Daisy | According to the Mitaka schedule, string freeze will happen in first week of March | 13:08 |
| Daisy | I hope we could have a discussion here to figure out a TODO list before we start Mitaka translation. | 13:08 |
| Daisy | I mean, we get ourselves ready for Mitaka translation. | 13:09 |
| Daisy | Something in my mind. | 13:09 |
| eumel8 | priority list on Zanate should be updated | 13:09 |
| katomo | okay | 13:09 |
| katomo | yep | 13:09 |
| Daisy | eumel8: Exactly. | 13:09 |
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| jftalta | yep | 13:10 |
| Daisy | 1. Priority list on Zanata | 13:10 |
| ujuc | ok | 13:10 |
| katomo | I'll take | 13:10 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 13:10 |
| katomo | #action katomo email priority list on Zanata | 13:11 |
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| Daisy | 2. Use a clear communication method, even local language communication. | 13:12 |
| katomo | anything else? | 13:12 |
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| katomo | good point | 13:13 |
| Daisy | I think we use a clear unique communication method this time. | 13:13 |
| Daisy | I perfer IRC. | 13:13 |
| Daisy | If you need, we could create special IRC channel for different language team. | 13:13 |
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| Daisy | If you don't need, we use openstack-i18n to communicate any problems we meet during translation. | 13:14 |
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| doug-fish | It would be great if the language teams documented their preferred communication tool - is that done already? | 13:14 |
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| jftalta | a special IRC channel for each language team is a good idea | 13:14 |
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| eumel8 | for small team it's not necessary | 13:15 |
| Daisy | katomo, ujuc, ianychoi_phone: thoughts ? | 13:15 |
| katomo | I think special channel is a good idea | 13:15 |
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| katomo | however, we japanese team has own Gitter chat room | 13:16 |
| Daisy | katomo: do you think you will change to IRC or continue to use Gitter chat room ? | 13:17 |
| ianychoi_phone | Me and ujuc encourages Korean people to use #openstack-ko channel, but few one uses it. | 13:17 |
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| Daisy | either we use a unique method, or we document clearly. | 13:17 |
| eumel8 | there is a special team page in i18n wiki. you can provide your favorite communication channel there. | 13:18 |
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| Daisy | Because after we start the busy translation, I hope each language team could have a good communication way. | 13:18 |
| Daisy | good point, eumel8. | 13:18 |
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| ujuc | no. we team not using irc... | 13:19 |
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| Daisy | ujuc: what communication method do you use ? | 13:19 |
| ujuc | slack and offline meeting :) | 13:20 |
| ujuc | an facebook :0 | 13:20 |
| Daisy | ujuc: I think it's not good to use offline meeting. :) | 13:20 |
| doug-fish | Daisy - I'm not sure if you shared that we will have IBM translators participating significantly in the translation of Mitaka (I guess if you haven't I just did) ... | 13:20 |
| ujuc | yab... | 13:21 |
| doug-fish | I'd like to be able to easily direct them to their proper language team communication channels so they can work cooperatively | 13:21 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: No, you go ahead. | 13:21 |
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| doug-fish | we will have IBM translators participating significantly in the translation of Mitaka | 13:21 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 13:21 |
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| doug-fish | we expect to cover the languages and components that we have previously contributed via batch updates | 13:22 |
| doug-fish | I hope we don't have any more batch updates | 13:22 |
| doug-fish | These are experienced and skilled translators, but they aren't necessarily familiar with OpenStack, our tools, or processes | 13:23 |
| doug-fish | I'm working with Daisy to prepare some education to help make sure they are effective ... and again, back to my original question, what's a good way to get them engaged with their language teams? | 13:24 |
| Daisy | :) | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | In Zanata you find only nicks and names in language groups | 13:26 |
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| Daisy | Before, IBM translated downstream and then contributed upstream in batch. This time, they want to use the correct way - working directly with us and following community process. | 13:27 |
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| katomo | Japanese team welcome IBM translators join our gitter room. | 13:27 |
| Daisy | The good thing is we will have more resources and cover more components. | 13:27 |
| Daisy | The bad thing is they are new comers and need our guidances. | 13:28 |
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| Daisy | Sorry, not the bad thing. I use a wrong word. | 13:28 |
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| Daisy | The disadvantage. :) | 13:28 |
| katomo | :) | 13:28 |
| jftalta | ;) | 13:28 |
| katomo | we need new comers any time, and welcome. | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | IBM guys are welcome, yes | 13:29 |
| Daisy | so this time, we must use a open and clearly defined communication way, which could allow new comers in different time locale to join us easily. | 13:29 |
| jftalta | welcome in the french team too | 13:29 |
| Daisy | Thank you for the kindness, team. | 13:29 |
| doug-fish | yes thank you. I'm very excited about this participation. | 13:30 |
| ianychoi_phone | :) | 13:30 |
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| eumel8 | french team has also a wiki page, I saw. This should be the central information point for each language team in each language. | 13:31 |
| eumel8 | contact addresses are also there | 13:32 |
| katomo | japanese team has, too. | 13:32 |
| doug-fish | are the links off of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam the pages you are referring to? | 13:33 |
| ujuc | korea team has, too :) | 13:33 |
| eumel8 | so, it's standard :) | 13:33 |
| doug-fish | good - that makes things much easier! | 13:33 |
| eumel8 | i.e. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/fr | 13:33 |
| katomo | doug-fish: yes, linked from there "in Japanse :)" | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | de - we haven't. I will contact our team lead. | 13:34 |
| katomo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/ja | 13:34 |
| doug-fish | excellent | 13:34 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: can you tell us more detail about your plan ? for example, how many translators, which projects do you want to cover and which languages ? | 13:36 |
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| doug-fish | sure | 13:37 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/ko_KR | 13:37 |
| doug-fish | The languages and components are exactly the same set that we have contributed via batch before | 13:37 |
| Daisy | Will you send people to translate Horizon ? | 13:37 |
| doug-fish | yes some - mostly because I want to make sure they are interacting with the translation teams | 13:38 |
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| doug-fish | It seems that there are about 4 people involved from each translation center ... but I am guessing that's probably one project manager, one people manager, and two people who will actually be translating | 13:38 |
| Daisy | I still don't know how many Horizon plugin will be covered in this release. | 13:38 |
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| doug-fish | The only plugin we are thinking about is the neutron-lbaas-dashboard, but it's not ready for translation yet | 13:39 |
| doug-fish | We do have a need to translate many of the services that the team hasn't normally covered | 13:40 |
| doug-fish | Ceilometer Cinder Glance Heat Keystone Neutron Nova and Swift | 13:40 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: I hope that IBM could make Horizon the last priority after they translate other components. | 13:40 |
| doug-fish | understood | 13:40 |
| doug-fish | What are the current plans for Nova? | 13:41 |
| Daisy | no plan, actually. | 13:41 |
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| Daisy | Actually, from the experience of last time translation, I don't think community translators want to translate back-end messages. | 13:41 |
| doug-fish | I expect the IBM translators will need to handle then | 13:41 |
| Daisy | so if IBM want to translate back-end messages, IBM do. | 13:42 |
| doug-fish | ok | 13:42 |
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| Daisy | For horizon, it's open for all people. I think community translators will make it first priority. | 13:42 |
| katomo | Daisy: agree | 13:42 |
| doug-fish | Languages I expect to have IBM translators for: de es fr it ja ko_KR pt_BR ru zh_CN zh_TW | 13:43 |
| jftalta | Horizon still remains a priority for the french team | 13:43 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, jftalta | 13:43 |
| doug-fish | Daisy - I'm still thinking about priorities for the IBM translators ... I'd like to have them translate a small number of messages in Horizon to make sure their work gets reviewed and they are working in a manner consistent with the community. | 13:44 |
| doug-fish | Do you think that's okay? | 13:44 |
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| eumel8 | doug-fish: maybe you guys can also help translating Release Notes, because it's not ATC related | 13:46 |
| eumel8 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty | 13:46 |
| jftalta | doug-fish: good idea, imho | 13:46 |
| katomo | doug-fish: good idea | 13:46 |
| jftalta | And this will be a way for them to increase their OpenStack knowledge. | 13:47 |
| doug-fish | eumel8: surprisingly, I may not be able to ask them to do that ... but I'll look into it a bit more | 13:47 |
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| doug-fish | jftalta: yes, exactly | 13:47 |
| katomo | eumel8: we have new reno tools, not a wiki, which doesn't have traslation feature AFAIK. | 13:47 |
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| eumel8 | ah, ok | 13:48 |
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| Daisy | doug-fish: If IBM translators follow the TM and glossary, read the guidances ( if some language teams have ), IBM translators will work in a consistent manner, in theory. | 13:49 |
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| katomo | #action katomo contact reno team to ask whether reno has translation feature | 13:49 |
| doug-fish | Daisy: understood. But sometimes theory !== reality. | 13:49 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: exactly. | 13:50 |
| eumel8 | thx, katomo | 13:50 |
| katomo | :) | 13:50 |
| jftalta | Theory ? Don't know this country ;) | 13:50 |
| doug-fish | ha! | 13:50 |
| doug-fish | Reality is sometimes a foreign place as well. | 13:51 |
| jftalta | yes, unfortunately | 13:51 |
| doug-fish | So again, please let me know if this participation is not working well for any language team. It will be very new for our translators and I want to help make sure it is handled well. | 13:52 |
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| katomo | thanks | 13:52 |
| Daisy | So I will make sure each language team have a clear communication method documented. | 13:53 |
| Daisy | What else we need to do before we start Mitaka translation ? | 13:53 |
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| katomo | may be nothing | 13:54 |
| katomo | #action Daisy make sure each language team have a clear communication method documented | 13:54 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 13:54 |
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| Daisy | #open discussion | 13:54 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussions | 13:55 |
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| eumel8 | Glossary management? Are there some progress? | 13:55 |
| Daisy | Good point, eumel8. | 13:55 |
| eumel8 | I think it's also important for new translators | 13:55 |
| Daisy | Yes. | 13:55 |
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| katomo | yeah | 13:55 |
| Daisy | do you agree we send patches to i18n repo directly to update the glossary ? | 13:56 |
| jftalta | Glossary is a true issue, for sure | 13:56 |
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| ujuc | um.. | 13:57 |
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| katomo | I'm okay as work around at now | 13:57 |
| jftalta | We need a way to share and update the local language glossary in an efficient manner | 13:57 |
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| Daisy | These are what we have. | 13:58 |
| Daisy | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n/locale | 13:58 |
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| katomo | jftalta: agree, but it seems to need looooooong discussion | 13:58 |
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| Daisy | I remember Zanata will provide glossary editor feature in some version, I forget the number. | 13:59 |
| jftalta | katomo: really ? | 13:59 |
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| Daisy | I forget the version number. | 13:59 |
| katomo | Daisy and amotoki tried at once, but not complete. | 13:59 |
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| Daisy | I'm looking forward to this feature which can give an easy way to edit glossaries. | 14:00 |
| jftalta | daisy: ok. And what could be the git workflow ? | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | I think it's to discuss in the language team and then we come together in next meeting | 14:00 |
| eumel8 | because ... time is over :) | 14:00 |
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| Daisy | jftalta: if you have any updates to glossaries, send a patch to update your po file. | 14:01 |
| Daisy | ok, eumel8. | 14:01 |
| Daisy | Let's close it soon. | 14:01 |
| jftalta | daisy: ok, got it. | 14:01 |
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| Daisy | Thank you guys for attending. | 14:01 |
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| Daisy | We have a good discussion today. | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | thanks all | 14:02 |
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| Daisy | I will close the meeting then. | 14:02 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 14:02:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-02-18-13.00.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-02-18-13.00.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-02-18-13.00.log.html | 14:02 |
| jftalta | Thank you Daisy. Goobye everybody | 14:02 |
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| jproulx1 | #startmeeting ops tags | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 14:03:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jproulx1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_tags' | 14:03 |
| jproulx1 | #topic Roll Call | 14:03 |
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| jproulx1 | Good morning all, if you're here for ops tags meeting please say Hi so I know you're out there... | 14:04 |
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| jproulx1 | Hmmm, seems we have zero attendees. | 14:08 |
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| jproulx1 | Will wait till 10 past the hour and close up | 14:09 |
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| jproulx1 | #info ending meeting due to lack of attendance (many members traveling this week so not totally surprising) | 14:11 |
| jproulx1 | #endmeeting | 14:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 14:11:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-02-18-14.03.html | 14:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-02-18-14.03.txt | 14:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-02-18-14.03.log.html | 14:11 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:01 |
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| r-mibu | o/ | 15:02 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:03 |
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| gordc | let's start this. | 15:03 |
| liusheng | o/ | 15:03 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:03 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | i don't really have any items anymore | 15:03 |
| gordc | we're freezing in ~2 weeks | 15:04 |
| gordc | but realistically, the gate will be broken/flooded in 1 week | 15:04 |
| pradk | o/ | 15:04 |
| jd__ | hehe | 15:04 |
| ityaptin_ | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gordc | so if you don't have a finalised working item by next wednesday. you are sol | 15:05 |
| ildikov | gordc: +1 | 15:05 |
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| gordc | anyone with critical bps/features should raise them this week | 15:05 |
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| gordc | if not, i'm not actually targetting anything for FFE, (assuming composite alarms merges) | 15:06 |
| liusheng | can composite alarm feature be in? :) | 15:06 |
| gordc | liusheng: yep. i'm waiting on that. | 15:06 |
| liamji | gordc: can lbaas v2 in? :) | 15:06 |
| gordc | i think once you apply jd__'s suggestion we can merge | 15:07 |
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| * jd__ nods | 15:07 | |
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| gordc | liamji: possibly? um. let's run through the projects and we can raise bps then | 15:07 |
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| gordc | #topic aodh topics | 15:08 |
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| liusheng | oh, I just found that comment , will address it | 15:08 |
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| liamji | gordc: okey, thanks | 15:08 |
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| gordc | anythin for aodh? | 15:08 |
| gordc | liusheng? | 15:08 |
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| liusheng | gordc: I just want you suggestion about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281175/ | 15:09 |
| gordc | i will probably create an aodhclient release based on whatever is in by end of friday | 15:09 |
| ildikov | gordc: do we still plan SQL-support only for Aodh? | 15:09 |
| liusheng | gordc: about the output form of alarm list command | 15:09 |
| gordc | ildikov: i believe the deprecation item was merged | 15:09 |
| gordc | liusheng: i'm ok with displaying less details in alarm list | 15:09 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, cool, I will add a note to the install docs then | 15:09 |
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| liusheng | gordc: OK, thanks | 15:10 |
| gordc | ildikov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273865/ | 15:10 |
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| gordc | liusheng: i have a small preference to still group by type but i don't really care that much | 15:10 |
| ildikov | gordc: tnx! | 15:10 |
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| gordc | anyone else think we enforce type when listing alarms? | 15:11 |
| liusheng | gordc: how about support query filters which can include type=xxx ? | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | when listing alarms, do we plan to list type specific attributes? or just list common attributes? | 15:12 |
| gordc | liusheng: that would be mandatory if we drop type. currently everything we do enforces type so it does break the pattern slightly | 15:12 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: common attributes. severity, active, status, etc... | 15:13 |
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| gordc | liusheng: maybe just split it in two. one that minimises the information display | 15:13 |
| gordc | and another that proposes to drop mandatory --type | 15:13 |
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| liusheng | gordc: agree, I will try it | 15:14 |
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| gordc | liusheng: thanks | 15:14 |
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| liusheng | gordc: what do you think query filter support in alarm list command ? | 15:14 |
| ljxiash | gordc: can we have alarm type in the output of alarm-list? | 15:15 |
| gordc | liusheng: i didn't really look at that part... there is a search command already though | 15:15 |
| liusheng | llu-laptop: you can use -c to specify column that is supportted by cliff | 15:15 |
| gordc | ljxiash: yes, if we drop type | 15:15 |
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| liusheng | gordc: I personally don't think we need complex query for alarms, maybe we can support query filters and pagination ;) | 15:16 |
| ildikov | liusheng: :( complex query is cool :) | 15:16 |
| liusheng | ildikov: :) just personal thoughts | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | I tend to agree with liusheng | 15:17 |
| gordc | liusheng: let's leave it off. i'm pretty sure 'aodh alarm search' does what you want to accomlish | 15:18 |
| gordc | r-mibu: do you think the tempest items will be finished? | 15:18 |
| r-mibu | gordc: hmm, i'll try :) | 15:18 |
| gordc | r-mibu: is this blocking us? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255161/ | 15:19 |
| r-mibu | gordc: right | 15:19 |
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| r-mibu | I'll ask my colleagues to put +2 | 15:19 |
| gordc | lol | 15:19 |
| ildikov | liusheng: no worries, I was just kidding, I still think it's cool, but I will not force you to add it if you don't want to :) | 15:20 |
| gordc | it's been a few months so i guess you can start bothering people | 15:20 |
| r-mibu | ok ;) | 15:20 |
| gordc | r-mibu: we can maybe extend it for tempest tests since it's just testing we're adding | 15:20 |
| gordc | we'll decide next week | 15:21 |
| gordc | anything else aodh related? | 15:21 |
| r-mibu | ok, nothing from my side | 15:21 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer topics | 15:22 |
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| gordc | is the caching topic from last week? | 15:22 |
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| ityaptin_ | Folks, if you will have a minute could you take a look onto CR for the Nova metadata caching? super strong desire to put it into Mitaka :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267078/18 | 15:23 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: what caching? :) metadata, transformers, events? | 15:24 |
| gordc | sigh... that turned out to be much much larger than i hoped/expected | 15:24 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: it's because the current behaviour is supported | 15:24 |
| liusheng | ityaptin_: it looks fine to me, I wil test it tomorrow, but only can be tested on libvirt :( | 15:24 |
| liusheng | ityaptin_: thanks for your efforts | 15:25 |
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| ityaptin_ | I checked XenAPI also and make other functions by Nova example | 15:25 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: i see. i'll take a look. | 15:25 |
| gordc | liusheng: let me know how it goes. | 15:25 |
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| gordc | liamji: do you have your patches for lbaas v2 ready? | 15:26 |
| liusheng | gordc: ok | 15:26 |
| ityaptin_ | I added a little scheme of how it works as the comment for the review. It may be useful | 15:26 |
| _nadya_ | jfyi, ityaptin_ is working on additional functional tests as well | 15:26 |
| ityaptin_ | Yep | 15:26 |
| liamji | gordc: yes | 15:26 |
| liamji | gordc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274518/ | 15:27 |
| gordc | ityaptin_: ack | 15:27 |
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| liamji | gordc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277434/ | 15:27 |
| liamji | gordc: these two patches are ready : ) | 15:27 |
| gordc | liamji: did you manage to get any neutron devs on it? | 15:28 |
| gordc | would like their opinoin | 15:28 |
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| liamji | gordc: yes, during the developement, I have discussed with them and got some suggestions from them. | 15:29 |
| gordc | can you add them to the patch to review as well | 15:29 |
| liamji | gordc: based on the liusheng's suggestions, I write a doc to verify the changes. | 15:29 |
| liamji | gordc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bsH7NQJ42guX1lZqL9ixw0V3gPqHXQnrAGsMFLeYxVo/edit | 15:29 |
| gordc | kk | 15:30 |
| liamji | gordc: I have captured some screens : ) | 15:30 |
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| gordc | #action track composite alarms, polling cache, lbaasv2 for mitaka. | 15:30 |
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| gordc | liamji: kk | 15:30 |
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| gordc | anything else on ceilometer? | 15:30 |
| ljxiash | gordc: Hi | 15:31 |
| liamji | gordc: thanks | 15:31 |
| gordc | ljxiash: o/ | 15:31 |
| ljxiash | gordc: about the spec - collect neutron port security group meters | 15:31 |
| ljxiash | I need neutron member support for that | 15:32 |
| gordc | ljxiash: is there code? if not, i'm going to say let's defer unless it's very very small | 15:33 |
| gordc | ljxiash: feel free to post it. i'm not confident it'll get in for mitaka | 15:33 |
| gordc | ljxiash: 'neutron member support'? you need a neutron developer to help you? | 15:34 |
| ljxiash | gordc: we have basic code, and I can upload it. | 15:35 |
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| ljxiash | gordc: Could you get some more neutron member to review it? | 15:36 |
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| gordc | oh. i don't know anyone. sorry | 15:36 |
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| _nadya_ | ljxiash: give me a lonk | 15:36 |
| _nadya_ | ljxiash: link | 15:36 |
| gordc | maybe ask around internally. i'm sure you have a lot of neutron devs in your company | 15:36 |
| ljxiash | _nadya_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273475/ | 15:36 |
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| gordc | ok. let's move on i guess? | 15:37 |
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| ljxiash | gordc: _nadya_: thanks | 15:37 |
| gordc | #topic gnocchi topics | 15:37 |
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| gordc | jd__: sileht: anything need to discuss? | 15:37 |
| gordc | magic as always? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | I don't think so, yeah good magic | 15:38 |
| jd__ | I keep fingers crossed to tag 2.0.0 tomorrow | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | mainly waiting for reviews at this point | 15:38 |
| gordc | jd__: sounds good. | 15:38 |
| jd__ | we'll release gnocchiclient just after I guess | 15:38 |
| gordc | jd__: i'm going to try and fix that test after this. | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | gordc: 👍 | 15:39 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:39 |
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| gordc | nothing from me. i'll let this linger for a bit | 15:40 |
| gordc | i guess if everyone can focus on the bps for next few days that'd be great | 15:40 |
| ildikov | gordc: dumb question. are we still using launchpad for bp tracking? | 15:40 |
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| _nadya_ | ad: summit talk https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/8237 . Take a look, it's about ceilo | 15:40 |
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| gordc | ildikov: sort of. some of the stuff that was less controversial aren't track | 15:41 |
| gordc | _nadya_: it's closed :) | 15:41 |
| _nadya_ | really? | 15:41 |
| ildikov | gordc: a-ha, ok | 15:41 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i think it closed yesterady | 15:41 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: deadline was Wednesday AFAIK | 15:41 |
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| _nadya_ | I'm a looser, baby | 15:41 |
| gordc | it's ok. the button does nothing anyways | 15:42 |
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| gordc | tell your company to pay sponsorship and select it | 15:42 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: lol | 15:43 |
| gordc | ildikov: we should have release notes though. i'll need to do a batch item for that again | 15:43 |
| gordc | maybe next cycle. | 15:43 |
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| gordc | kk. let's call it. | 15:45 |
| gordc | thanks folks | 15:45 |
| gordc | #endmeeting= | 15:45 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 15:45:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-02-18-15.01.html | 15:45 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 17:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
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| jordanP | hi | 17:01 |
| slowrie | < | 17:01 |
| jlanoux | hi | 17:01 |
| ylobankov | hi | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_February_18th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| silos | o/ *first timer* | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | silos: welcome | 17:01 |
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| silos | mtreinish: thanks | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | lets get started | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | #topic QA Code Sprint | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/CodeSprintMitakaBoston | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | I probably should have removed this from the agenda for this week | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | since it's next week | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | it's kinda too last min for anyone to decide to come :) | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | but, anyway the code sprint is next week. I'm looking forward to it | 17:04 |
| jordanP | I won't come unfortunately :( | 17:04 |
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| jordanP | but I'll be in Austin | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: :( that's too bad | 17:04 |
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| jordanP | yeah, I didn't even ask | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: cool, austin will be good too | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: the next time we do a code sprint I'll try to make it in a more EU friendly location | 17:05 |
| jordanP | yeah, the location was not so bad for me, we have an office in Boston too | 17:05 |
| jordanP | anyway | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | one other thing is for those attending the sprint, if you have any topics you'd like to try and tackle during the sprint feel free to add them to the etherpad | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-code-sprint | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | I initially populated it with some ideas off the top of my head | 17:07 |
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| jordanP | I have some ideas but I'll talk about it in the "free discusion" part of that meeting | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss on the code sprint? | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any open spec reviews they'd like to discuss? | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | I want to point people to: | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/275966 | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | which is my spec about moving tempest-lib code back into tempest | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | it needs another respin, but I'd appreciate any thoughts on it | 17:10 |
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| jordanP | I agree with that. The tempest-lib effort was not in vain. We did some code code cleanup, added some unit tests, etc.. | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: right, and that will still continue. The plan is to keep the lib interface alive, just under the tempest repo | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | "migration" work won't change, except for instead of copying the code to a separate repo it'll just mv to tempest/lib | 17:12 |
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| jordanP | yep. I especially appreciate the "make methods use **kwarg" and "make method name consistent" and the client slit also. Big thanks to all of the people who worked on that | 17:13 |
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| jordanP | we should definitively continue on that track | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | ++ | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on specs? | 17:14 |
| ccneill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274205/ | 17:15 |
| ccneill | :D | 17:15 |
| * ccneill sneaks in | 17:15 | |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274205/ | 17:15 |
| ccneill | more than a review, I just kind of want to ask.. is there any hope of this merging with the tempest migration on the table? | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | ccneill: I think sdague's -1 there raises a good point | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | you could spin that out as a seperate tool pretty easily | 17:16 |
| ccneill | mtreinish: so I do agree that tempest-lib shouldn't do *all the things*, but I would consider the capabilities of what I have to be pretty in line with other data generators | 17:16 |
| jordanP | yeah sdague has a point. The current code here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237263/3/tempest_lib/common/utils/security_utils.py doesn"t rely on tempest-lib at all | 17:16 |
| ccneill | jordanP: true, it is definitely an odd duck of sorts, and doesn't HAVE to live in tempest-lib | 17:17 |
| jordanP | ccneill, do you know bandit ? | 17:17 |
| ccneill | jordanP: yep, I'm iin the OSSP meeting right now too | 17:17 |
| jordanP | ok | 17:17 |
| jordanP | this looks more like something that could live in the bandit repo. Or a repo by itself | 17:18 |
| ccneill | jordanP: if you haven't heard my pitch before, basically I have written tests for barbican and designate, they suggested I try to put it in tempest-lib because it made sense to them and they didn't both want to have just one file floating in their project | 17:18 |
| ccneill | and I can't promise I really have time to maintain this as a separate tool | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | right, I think if the spec was to add another seperate tool (which could consume the rest_client from tempest-lib if it wanted) that would go over a bit better | 17:19 |
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| ccneill | mtreinish: so right now it should work with either tempest-lib or requests-based clients | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | ccneill: right, the more I hear about this doing it as a seperate thing makes more sense (or as jordanP suggested if bandit likes it that works too) | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | we can add another qa project for this pretty easily if necessary | 17:20 |
| ccneill | mtreinish: gotcha. I'll stop bugging you guys about it for now and try to figure out a better path forward | 17:20 |
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| ccneill | because I've discussed combining this work with Syntribos before (OSSP project), but it just seemed more accessible to include it in something everyone already uses, rather than pitching a new tool | 17:21 |
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| ccneill | but that's my problem, not yours :) | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | ccneill: heh, well don't go off into the dark, feel free to keep talking about it :) | 17:22 |
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| jordanP | ccneill, creating a dedicated repo for it is kinda of easy. And you will be PTL :) | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: well not if it's a qa project :p | 17:22 |
| jordanP | erf, yeah, ! | 17:23 |
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| ccneill | jordanP, mtreinish: it seems like this might be a better fit for the OSSP anyway | 17:23 |
| ccneill | I understand the concerns about scope creep | 17:23 |
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| ccneill | for the record, if it were ONLY a data generator, would it be more or less appealing from a tempest-lib perspective? | 17:24 |
| ccneill | just out of curiosity | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | ccneill: I think it would be closer aligned, but then I'm not sure what the benefit would be :) | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | but, I think we need to move on to other topics now | 17:25 |
| ccneill | np | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Priority Items | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | so m-3 is approaching kinda quickly | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | it's a couple weeks away | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | we've still got a fair number of open priority items | 17:26 |
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| jordanP | 6 and 7 are less relevant I think | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | that's probably fair | 17:27 |
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| jordanP | jlanoux, what about 10 'Finalize ssh-auth bp' ? | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | well, they'll still happen but the "migration" will be a git mv :) | 17:28 |
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| jlanoux | jordanP: yep - I'd like this one to get in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259515/ and then we can close it. | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259515/ | 17:29 |
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| jordanP | jlanoux, and what then ? I the -ssh job is non voting and failing a lot, do we have a plan ? | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, it'd be good if we could be in a place where we were comfortable enough with turning that flag on by default | 17:31 |
| jlanoux | jordanP: I'll keep working on this. I have some ideas. But they are beyond the scope of the original blueprint. I'll put a new spec together and see what you guys think. | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | it's more than just pass rate too, but also the debug path | 17:31 |
| jlanoux | yes | 17:31 |
| jordanP | we don"t need a spec for to make something work. I am sorry to rant here but we have too many things in Tempest/QA that just doesn't work | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | if we can't figure out why the ssh failed, that doesn't help much | 17:32 |
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| jordanP | agreed but I don"t see how that patch helps | 17:32 |
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| jordanP | I am fine with having it, but I don't know it will make our life better | 17:33 |
| jlanoux | We talked about that and ssh validation in Tempest is messy - I'd like to refactor that and add some logging. This will be a step | 17:33 |
| jlanoux | then I think we have to deal with race conditions from other services - not much we can do there apart giving them some data | 17:33 |
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| jordanP | but a refactoring is about making the code nicer. Currently the code doesn"t work. We need to fix bugs | 17:34 |
| jordanP | but if we had that many race conditions, how come the tempest scenarios are quite reliable ? | 17:34 |
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| afazekas | FYI: ssh login can fail if the root disk is not available as well. | 17:35 |
| jlanoux | jordanP: we can't fix all at once - I'm willing to continue looking on ssh | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: haha, yeah there are a lot of possible causes | 17:35 |
| jlanoux | it's not that bad | 17:35 |
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| jordanP | ok, jlanoux I'll love to work with you to turn that ssh_validation flag to True | 17:36 |
| jlanoux | afazekas: yeah and hardware can be against us as well | 17:36 |
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| jlanoux | jordanP: +1 | 17:36 |
| jordanP | ok, I'll review and +2 that patch | 17:36 |
| jlanoux | thanks | 17:36 |
| jordanP | (I was "angry" with PS24 btw) | 17:37 |
| jordanP | PS25 looks better :) | 17:37 |
| jlanoux | ;) | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on priority items? | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Tempest | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to disucss on tempest today? | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | although I have a feeling the ssh topic kinda covers this for today's meeting :) | 17:40 |
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| jordanP | nope, also I have: | 17:40 |
| jordanP | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249100/ | 17:40 |
| jordanP | I got -1 by sdague and it seems unfair | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249100/ | 17:41 |
| jordanP | if we follow that line we should -1 a lot of patch too | 17:41 |
| sdague | it's a new 2.5 minute test | 17:41 |
| jordanP | I got two +1 from Cinder core reviewers. | 17:41 |
| sdague | in the base run for all services | 17:41 |
| jordanP | it's not the longest test and it bring a lot of value | 17:42 |
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| sdague | we can't just keep throwing in new tests > 60s on the integrated gate, that is the path to madness | 17:42 |
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| jordanP | sdague, ok. Then I'll -1 similar patch | 17:42 |
| jordanP | I am fine with that and we can work around it, by having cinder "in tree functionnal tests" | 17:42 |
| jordanP | but then we must be consistent | 17:43 |
| sdague | I'm fine with that. This seemed a particularly large growth path | 17:43 |
| sdague | especially when the volumes tests remain the most problematic from reliability | 17:44 |
| jordanP | noope. Neutron is worst :p | 17:44 |
| sdague | well, at least they are run on less jobs :) | 17:44 |
| jordanP | yes | 17:44 |
| jordanP | so other topic is: the multinode jobs | 17:45 |
| jordanP | they fail a lot like 50% | 17:45 |
| sdague | but in all seriousness, we need the volumes behavior nailed down in cinder specific tests | 17:45 |
| sdague | that run just on cinder changes to figure out why things are problematic | 17:45 |
| jordanP | especially tempest.api.compute.admin.test_live_migration.LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON.test_volume_backed_live_migration | 17:45 |
| jordanP | my libvirt skill are a bit short there | 17:45 |
| afazekas | jordanP: Neutron showed lot of improvement in the past year | 17:46 |
| jordanP | I will work on it tomorrow too. But my general feeling at the moment is, there's no need to pile up tests on top of something that doesn't work | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: multinode or cinder? | 17:46 |
| jordanP | multinode | 17:46 |
| jordanP | cinder works in my opinion :) | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | heh | 17:47 |
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| jordanP | lol | 17:48 |
| sdague | well, on the live migration front, we're building a dedicated job that *only* does live migration testing to try to sort out these things. That's the dedicated hammer approach. | 17:48 |
| jordanP | sdague, that won't help imo. We need human to look at it | 17:48 |
| sdague | jordanP: right, and we will have humans looking at it | 17:48 |
| jordanP | that's great | 17:49 |
| jordanP | but the jobs have been there for months, why now ? | 17:49 |
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| sdague | jordanP: ok, what is your specific proposal, I guess I'm lost on that one | 17:49 |
| jordanP | first raise awareness | 17:50 |
| jordanP | we need to look at the problem before adding more multinode tests | 17:50 |
| jordanP | I am thinkg about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259746/ | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: well I don't think there is much value in that test in general | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | I'll leave a comment on that one | 17:51 |
| jordanP | ok, maybe we can move on. I am done :) | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | silos: you put a something on the agenda for this topic? | 17:52 |
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| silos | mtreinish: yes | 17:52 |
| silos | I mainly contribute to barbican and we are interested in writing a grenade job for it. | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | silos: are you just looking for help on how to do that? | 17:53 |
| silos | I was wondering if there is a formal process like creating a spec? If the PTL in barbican needs to be aware? | 17:53 |
| * redrobot pokes head in | 17:53 | |
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| mtreinish | silos: it's strictly a project decision on adding the job or not. Everything will be done self service as a plugin in the barbican repo | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/grenade/plugins.html | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | silos: we can pick this up in -qa after the meeting | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | since we're a bit pressed for time | 17:54 |
| silos | mtreinish: Ok. sounds good. | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else on devstack or grenade? | 17:55 |
| jordanP | SSL support in devstack is a pain :) | 17:55 |
| jordanP | many patched lying around trying to fix it | 17:55 |
| jordanP | *patches | 17:55 |
| jordanP | and if we want a suggestion, I propose to remove all of it :) | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: heh, isn't it more a general openstack issue. I think those patches were blocked because the ssl configuration for services is kinda weird | 17:56 |
| jordanP | (sorry, that's a debate for another time) | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | but, it's been a while so my memory is a little hazy on the details | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | but, yeah we can pick that up at a different time | 17:57 |
| jordanP | yep | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:58 |
| sdague | jordanP: I thought there was some middleware now that did the headers right? | 17:59 |
| sdague | or did that never happen | 17:59 |
| jordanP | I remember we talked about it, but I forgot what we said about it ! | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | well, we're at time. We can pick things up in -qa | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| jordanP | thanks | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 18:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-02-18-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-02-18-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-02-18-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| rtheis | osc meeting today? | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | uh, oops…running behind here | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | anyone else still around? | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | well, for the record… | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 19:11:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | late ping: dhellmann, stevemar, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, MeganR | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | apologies for my tardiness, anyone still around? | 19:12 |
| dstanek | dtroyer: ! | 19:12 |
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| dstanek | dtroyer: i'm addicted to glowing screens. so i'm always here :-) | 19:12 |
| rtheis | still here :) | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | dstanek: that's gotta mess with sleep patterns ;) | 19:13 |
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| dstanek | dtroyer: it's easier if you just don't do it | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | tell my wife that when I'm dozing at the dinner table | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | ok, we're light today, I didn't have anything specific | 19:15 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | it looks like we've got a deep queue atm | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | just in time for our new core members ;) | 19:16 |
| rtheis | :) | 19:17 |
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| rtheis | I'll start chipping away at the queue | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | I'm geting started myself this afternoon | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | is there anything specific that warrants priority attention? | 19:18 |
| rtheis | I didn't see any at first glance | 19:18 |
| rtheis | I did have a interface question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276041/ | 19:19 |
| rtheis | Should we validate the keys in a key1=value1,key2=value2 list? | 19:19 |
| rtheis | or pass along to the API call | 19:19 |
| rtheis | Example usage in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276042/ | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | thats a good question. I don't think we always know the valid keys | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | and I'm not sure if that is the sort of thing that an API using JSONschema would be validating | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | oops | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | IIRc we have some usages like that where the API specifically does not validate the dict, like for vendor-specific values | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | so in general we can't assume validation | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | by the api | 19:22 |
| stevemar | i'm here now | 19:22 |
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| rtheis | okay | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | welcome stevemar. you're #ff6633 now, just so you know ;) | 19:22 |
| stevemar | i *always* forget about this meeting | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | in cases like 276042 I really wish we could do that without resortin to AVPs as an option argument | 19:23 |
| stevemar | maybe we can talk about the unset/set commands using cliff.Command? | 19:23 |
| stevemar | i think tangchen was looking for guidance there | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | since those are required and well known. in that case we probably _should_ validate them | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I think we hashed that out a while back and decided to remove the output on set/unset. I'm not a fan but apparently those with output were in the minority | 19:24 |
| stevemar | o/ | 19:25 |
| stevemar | bueller? | 19:25 |
| stevemar | rgr | 19:25 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: oh i think i found a bug with osc... need time to reproduce it | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | what? a bug? | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | :) | 19:27 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/api/auth.py#L149-L158 | 19:27 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: so on 276042, do you have an alternative to AVPs? | 19:27 |
| stevemar | this check here is breaking some of the non-traditional auth plugins we have in keystoneauth | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | rtheis: not a better one when multiple routes can be set at once. | 19:27 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | but I fear that becomes a precedent in general | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | and hope it does not | 19:28 |
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| rtheis | ok | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: put it to occ, it is the auth arbiter now, right? | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | we're going to wind up with some breaking changes to do all of that…that'll trigger 3.0. | 19:29 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: basically | 19:29 |
| stevemar | yep | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | and I hope we can stuff the rename in there then too | 19:30 |
| stevemar | oh? | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | so, planning ahead a bit | 19:30 |
| stevemar | i'm hoping to do this soon | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | I thought we decided reanming the package was best doen at a major rev | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | folks internally are finally starting to use federation and are complaining about the broken CLI :) | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | soon like a week or two? | 19:30 |
| stevemar | probably not | 19:30 |
| stevemar | :( | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | well, major is a lot farther out than that… | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | you can probably fix it without 3.0 but we need to rip out all of the OSC auth for 3.0 | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: that's a beast to fix | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | can we just rip out that check and let the plugins fail it later? | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | ok, anything else? | 19:37 |
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| rtheis | I don't have anything else | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: ? You are slowly turning #33cc33 | 19:38 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: not as good of a color | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | unless you are a system status indicator | 19:39 |
| stevemar | if anyone else wants to rip and replace the auth stuff, go ahead :) | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I started a while back, but that was before occ took over the world. it should actually be easier now | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | ok, I've got a tight schedule this afternoon, if nothing else is pressing I'd like to get going. | 19:40 |
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| rtheis | nothing else, thank you dtroyer | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | ok, thanks everyone! | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 19:42:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-02-18-19.11.html | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-02-18-19.11.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-02-18-19.11.log.html | 19:43 |
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| mriedem | so no john | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 21:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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| rlrossit | o/ | 21:00 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| tonyb | \o | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | #topic release status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | Mar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc. | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #info Mar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc. | 21:01 |
| * bauzas waves | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | there is a note to look out for release critical bugs, mitaka-rc-potential | 21:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mikal | . | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | did we ever figure out who was doing bug duty this week? | 21:02 |
| mriedem | anyway, if you come across what looks to be a release critical bug, tag it with mitaka-rc-potential | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | - When to pause long running efforts (centralise config, py34, mox, etc) | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i thought we said last week those were paused now | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | "the doc element to the config work seems important, the moving Opts around should probably halt until Newton?" | 21:03 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: I thought py34/mox was paused but confifg was allowed to keep going | 21:03 |
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| auggy | o/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i have no idea how much is left | 21:03 |
| mriedem | on the config stuff | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah that thing | 21:03 |
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| mikal | I recon we should allow extended help strings | 21:04 |
| mikal | But stop the large refactors | 21:04 |
| mikal | THe help stgring changes are very low risk with high benefit | 21:04 |
| tonyb | I think markus_z is out this week so it's hard to know | 21:04 |
| mriedem | mikal: yeah at least until string freeze anyway | 21:04 |
| mikal | mriedem: agreed | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:04 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: there is a lot left | 21:04 |
| mikal | I could go through and -2 the refector reviews if we thought that was reasonable | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #link priority review etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:04 |
| mriedem | mikal: sure, that is probably helpful | 21:05 |
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| mikal | mriedem: ok, I'll try and get that done today | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | ty | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| mriedem | gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:05 |
| mriedem | sdague: anything you want to add on this? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i know grenade is hitting messaging timeouts since oslo.messaging 4.1.0 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i don't think anyone is working on that | 21:05 |
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| sdague | mriedem: it was brought up to the oslo folks, and feels like it all petered out | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1545002 | 21:06 |
| sdague | I have not looped back around on that | 21:06 |
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| bauzas | the pep8 issue with File Not Found is known, right? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | bauzas: dan brought it up in infra this morning | 21:06 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:06 |
| mriedem | so i assume it's a known thing | 21:06 |
| dansmith | sounds amazingly awesome | 21:06 |
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| bauzas | okay, nice to know | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | i hope AFS didn't do it :) | 21:06 |
| dansmith | AFS is perfect | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | #help needed on messaging timeout bug http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1545002 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1545002 in oslo.messaging "Grenade Failure - MessagingTimeout on floating IP remove" [High,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | 3rd party CI status - i don't have any news here | 21:07 |
| mriedem | critical bugs - anyone have any? | 21:08 |
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| sdague | mriedem: well this metadata one isn't good | 21:08 |
| sdague | but I don't know if it's critical yet | 21:08 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | i'm leaning on that ol' sdague magic to sort that one out :) | 21:09 |
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| sdague | oof | 21:09 |
| mriedem | more volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i know sdague has been hammering the API bug triage, which is appreciated | 21:10 |
| mriedem | hopefully more people get in the bug boat after FF | 21:10 |
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| bauzas | so I'm about to see if some operators could help with bug triaging | 21:10 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:10 |
| sdague | only 29 bugs in new right now | 21:10 |
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| bauzas | but that's a long sotry | 21:10 |
| bauzas | story | 21:10 |
| tonyb | Just putting this out there, a good triaged list of bugs might make the bugsmash more helpful .... | 21:10 |
| sdague | that's totally within sight of 0 | 21:11 |
| auggy | whoohoo that's s a huge a huge improvement!! | 21:11 |
| mriedem | stable branch | 21:11 |
| dansmith | yuuuge | 21:11 |
| mriedem | only thing here is, | 21:11 |
| mriedem | we should review stable/liberty stuff for a 12.0.2 release push around m-3 | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | #link open stable/liberty reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:12 |
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| edleafe | tonyb: thanks for volunteering! | 21:12 |
| mriedem | or if anyone knows of bugs fixed on master that we'd like to get into stable/liberty, get the backports up soonish | 21:12 |
| mikal | edleafe: hey! He's under other buses! | 21:12 |
| edleafe | mikal: never enough buses | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | i've had a todo to write a tool to find liberty-backport-potential nova bugs that are fixed to try and find possible backports, | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | but time isn't on my side | 21:13 |
| mriedem | ^ is open for anyone that wants to write a tool like that | 21:13 |
| mriedem | anything else on bugs? | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda | 21:14 |
| mriedem | does anyone have anything to discuss here? | 21:14 |
| mikal | So, can I raise something here? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | uh oh | 21:14 |
| mikal | gus: you around? | 21:14 |
| gus | mikal: yep. | 21:14 |
| mikal | They're not super stuck, so this might be cheating | 21:14 |
| tonyb | mikal: that's totaly in open discussion | 21:14 |
| mikal | But gus is getting worried about getting privsep done in time | 21:14 |
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| tonyb | it's even on the agenda | 21:14 |
| mriedem | that's in open discussoin | 21:14 |
| mikal | Oh, ok. Sure. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | belay | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #open discussion | 21:15 |
| mriedem | :)oops | 21:15 |
| tonyb | There are a couple of stable backports that are kinda stuck | 21:15 |
| mikal | LOL | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| mriedem | mine first | 21:15 |
| mriedem | (mriedem): get-me-a-network; trouble in paradise | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | so we have the ML thread on how to microversion the get-me-a-network stuff | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #link ML thread on get-me-a-network microversion http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086437.html | 21:15 |
| mriedem | main question being, do we change default behavior (opt into not having a nic)? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | personally i think we should, since the default behavior to allow an instance w/o a network seems weird | 21:16 |
| mriedem | and i doubt that is used in practice very often | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i know alaski is against that idea, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so i'm looking for input from others that didn't speak up on the ML | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: ^? | 21:17 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | I dunno. changing defaults is kinda bad | 21:17 |
| dansmith | even if we're suuure the default is better | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | if someone has a workflow that attaches with no nic and then always does an attach later, we'll break them right? | 21:18 |
| sdague | but it's opt in | 21:18 |
| mriedem | dansmith: they'd have to opt in with the microversion | 21:18 |
| sdague | you had to ask for things after that microversion | 21:18 |
| dansmith | yeah, I know, | 21:18 |
| dansmith | but in reality, clients aren't going to check for an empty request and make the behavior be the same because they've opted into the new version | 21:18 |
| sdague | changing defaults to be better is definitely a thing we should do, we have a signaling mechanism around it | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | sdague: well, since there was no IMHO on there I guess I can't argue with "definitely" eh? | 21:19 |
| cdent | sdague++ | 21:19 |
| cdent | if we can't make defaults better then we're really in a bad way | 21:19 |
| edleafe | microversions don't solve every problem, but at least give you a way to know what's changed | 21:19 |
| cdent | because it presumes we got it right the first time, always | 21:19 |
| mriedem | it would have been nice if any user/operator in the world would have spoken in that thread saying they have that use case | 21:19 |
| cdent | which is never true | 21:19 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I can't point you to a specific example person, | 21:20 |
| sdague | mriedem: it was a -dev thread right? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah, could go to ops too, but i don't know that ops care, it's really a user use case | 21:20 |
| dansmith | but the use case could be starting a spare instance and adding a nic to it when you failover | 21:20 |
| dansmith | either way, I bet nobody is going to speak up about it | 21:20 |
| dansmith | just to be clear, | 21:21 |
| sdague | yeh, we don't really have the right coms channels to find the people that would speak up about it, unfortunately | 21:21 |
| dansmith | the microversion would be "you get a nic if you didn't ask" instead of "you get no nics if you didn't ask" right? | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | rihgt | 21:21 |
| sdague | dansmith: yes | 21:21 |
| dansmith | because making it "you get an error if you try to boot an instance with no nic" would be a lot more discoverable, IMHO | 21:22 |
| dansmith | because the user of the client that opted in would see that | 21:22 |
| dansmith | instead of wondering why the hell they're getting different behavior all the sudden | 21:22 |
| sdague | so they did have to move their API pin to get different behavior | 21:23 |
| dansmith | who did? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | the client library, right? | 21:23 |
| sdague | or application | 21:23 |
| dansmith | if they're consuming directly, sure | 21:23 |
| sdague | well, even with our library they have to specify | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | anyway, I feel like we were just arguing about not changing something like this in a microversion just for the fun of it, because it's surprising, | 21:24 |
| dansmith | yet we like this change so we want to do it | 21:24 |
| melwitt | if you have to opt in to not get a nic, then wouldn't the behavior be an error if you didn't ask and a net isn't available? | 21:24 |
| dansmith | so, my opinion is don't change it | 21:24 |
| dansmith | melwitt: you have to opt in to the new behavior, not the old one | 21:25 |
| melwitt | oh | 21:25 |
| mriedem | well that's what's proposed | 21:25 |
| dansmith | melwitt: so you're (supposedly) opting in to having it be magic | 21:25 |
| sdague | it's only surprising to people that are used to getting punched in the face | 21:25 |
| sdague | and then we stop doing that | 21:25 |
| sdague | for the majority of them | 21:25 |
| dansmith | sdague: I feel like arguments like that are not very constructive | 21:25 |
| dansmith | so anyway, that's my opinion, let's move on | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | ok, so, just to finalize, | 21:26 |
| mriedem | the reason i brought this up is i want to start drafting a spec, | 21:26 |
| mriedem | b/c the neutron meetup is local for me next week | 21:26 |
| sdague | ok, I feel like the entire "get me a network" thing was driving by users that were really really frustrated that was not the default | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i think i'm going to just doc this all as alternatives in the spec, | 21:26 |
| mriedem | and we can hash it out in review | 21:26 |
| mriedem | sdague: agree | 21:26 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:26 |
| mriedem | gus: mikal: go! | 21:26 |
| gus | heh. | 21:26 |
| gus | So: privsep/os-brick status: The code exists to do a simple s/rootwrap/privsep/g in os-brick. | 21:27 |
| gus | It depends on a bunch (6?) of small changes across other projects (nova, devstack, cinder) | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | #link main os-brick privsep change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277224/ | 21:28 |
| gus | All the isolated tests I've thrown at it work, but the whole thing fails in tempest integration tests atm ;) | 21:28 |
| gus | I'm still debugging that latter, it's almost certainly something to do with eventlet. | 21:28 |
| gus | (it hangs) | 21:28 |
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| gus | My concern is that at this point there are still a bunch of small changes ahead of us, mostly to do with juggling global-requirements once there is an appropriate os-brick/privsep release. | 21:28 |
| gus | I know we get thingy about changing requirements close to release deadlines. | 21:29 |
| tonyb | gus: we have 10 days still | 21:29 |
| gus | tonyb: right. | 21:29 |
| gus | The last round of minor changes to other projects took 2 weeks to get nova +2s, and haven't seen any +2s from cinder or devstack yet. | 21:30 |
| gus | (thanks to those who approved the nova ones over night) | 21:30 |
| tonyb | sdague: can you hepl with the devstack side? | 21:30 |
| tonyb | sdague: most of the changes are in mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:30 |
| sdague | tonyb: yeh, though I didn't see anything working yet in full stack | 21:30 |
| sdague | which was my concern | 21:30 |
| gus | so .. we can still make it, but I feel like it's getting tight - particularly wrt juggling the cross-project review latency. | 21:31 |
| gus | sdague: yep, agreed. | 21:31 |
| gus | the depends-on changes are all safe (afaics) to merge into the other projects regardless of whether we go ahead with the rest of os-brick/privsep or not. | 21:31 |
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| scottda | os-brick release just went out | 21:31 |
| gus | they're things like an additional rootwrap filter, that at worst would be simply unused. | 21:32 |
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| gus | I don't have any specific request - just a heads-up that when I whack this final eventlet interaction bug, there's going to be half-a-dozen-or-so changes that are going to need some fast review turnaround. | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | so, | 21:34 |
| mriedem | summaries in the ML on big hairy things like this have been common lately | 21:34 |
| mriedem | all the rage | 21:34 |
| mriedem | b/c i see a bunch of changes on different topic branches, so tracking it all in gerrit is confusing me | 21:34 |
| mriedem | some are tracked against a bp and some aren't | 21:34 |
| mriedem | so as a reviewer i'm not entirely sure where to start (besides the main os-brick change with the 5 depends-on) | 21:34 |
| sdague | right, it's especially hard when the Depends-On is just a wall | 21:34 |
| sdague | it would be useful to at least annotate them to which repos they are on to understand | 21:35 |
| scottda | gus: I'm not positive, but I think getting privsep changes into os-brick is too late for Mitaks | 21:35 |
| melwitt | is there a section for them in the priorities etherpad? | 21:35 |
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| melwitt | that gus can just link all of them | 21:35 |
| tonyb | melwitt: yeah they're under os-vif | 21:35 |
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| tonyb | melwitt: somewhere near 144 | 21:35 |
| sdague | scottda: what? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | tonyb: melwitt: yeah but it's not very detailed | 21:36 |
| mriedem | it's just some links, i can figure those out via gerrit | 21:36 |
| sdague | scottda: because, honestly, this is a release blocker | 21:36 |
| scottda | os-brick was just released today. | 21:36 |
| gus | Can I mix comments in with the Depends-On change description "meta headers" ? | 21:36 |
| sdague | we're in an upgrade crippled state | 21:36 |
| scottda | I'm trying to get hemnafk to verify , but he is AFK | 21:36 |
| * gus isn't sure what the parsing requirements of that are. | 21:36 | |
| mikal | gus: alternate lines? | 21:36 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Okay tell me what else you need in there and I'll add it | 21:36 |
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| mikal | # The following depends-on is against os-brick | 21:36 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I just followed the "template" | 21:37 |
| mikal | Depends-On 12345 | 21:37 |
| sdague | yeh, each Depends-On must be the only thing on it's line | 21:37 |
| mriedem | tonyb: well, like what jaypipes and alaski and others have done in the ML recently on where big things are at | 21:37 |
| sdague | but you can have other stuff in there | 21:37 |
| gus | mikal: yep, that would be useful for me too - I wasn't sure how strict that block needed to be. | 21:37 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282031/ | 21:37 |
| gus | I have some mention in the nova priorities etherpad - but of course that doens't affect devstack + cinder (+ os-brick). | 21:37 |
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| sdague | so, I just want to circle back on the os-brick thing | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | what we need is like a management type that knows how to put together fancy charts.... | 21:38 |
| mriedem | where could we find one of those... | 21:38 |
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| sdague | because this can't be too late for os-brick | 21:38 |
| mikal | So, I kind of disagree | 21:38 |
| mikal | What we need is the cross project element to work better | 21:38 |
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| mikal | Do we need to try and get everyone into a dedicated meeting early next week? | 21:39 |
| mriedem | library freeze is i think the same time as FF | 21:39 |
| scottda | hemnafk: keeps reporting that the privsep changes cause Nova to hang...that's the latest report from him I've seen... | 21:39 |
| gus | scottda: yep, that's probably a repeat of my latest status update on the main change. | 21:39 |
| mriedem | Feb 22-26R-6Final release for non-client libraries | 21:39 |
| scottda | I reckon another release of os-brick could still go out if this is fixed. I just noticed today an email that os-brick was released. | 21:39 |
| mriedem | yeah 1.0.0 went out with bug fixes | 21:40 |
| mriedem | i think we have until next friday for another os-brick release according to the schedule | 21:40 |
| sdague | mikal: the answer is yes, who is going to be point person on it? | 21:40 |
| mriedem | mikal: so to answer your question, yes i think some kind of project management would be helpful | 21:40 |
| mikal | So, the only problem is that next week wastes a few days | 21:41 |
| mikal | We could do it tomorrow, but I'm afk all day | 21:41 |
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| mikal | I don't want to sit idle over the weekend if its avoidable | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | well i guess it depends on what works for gus | 21:41 |
| sdague | mikal: well, how about start with pulling together where we are, and what's blocking moving forward | 21:41 |
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| mikal | Yep | 21:42 |
| mriedem | yeah some high level context would be helpful before a hangout or something | 21:42 |
| sdague | even if it's not a meeting, a consolidated view on all of this stuff would be really useful | 21:42 |
| mikal | gus and I can work on an email summary to -dev | 21:42 |
| mriedem | cool | 21:42 |
| gus | sg | 21:42 |
| mikal | And make is super clear what we think brick and devstack need to do | 21:42 |
| mikal | We'll get that out in the next couple of hours? | 21:42 |
| mriedem | awesome | 21:42 |
| sdague | yep, and to be clear, I'll approve the devstack changes as soon as I've got a test run showing me it's working | 21:42 |
| sdague | I just couldn't find that in the stack | 21:43 |
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| gus | sdague: there's things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277696/ that just sets a new nova.conf entry. | 21:43 |
| sdague | gus: right, but I actually want to see something using that to do something :) | 21:44 |
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| gus | sure, it just means it remains on the critical path then. | 21:44 |
| gus | (sdague: but I understand your reluctance) | 21:44 |
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| sdague | right, but then we know it works vs. land, oh broken, land, oh broken. | 21:45 |
| gus | yep. | 21:45 |
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| mriedem | anything else on this? | 21:45 |
| gus | not from me. | 21:46 |
| mriedem | anything else from anyone for open discussion? | 21:46 |
| scottda | privsep is out for mitaka in os-brick, according to smcginnis | 21:46 |
| mriedem | scottda: umm https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277224/ | 21:46 |
| gus | ^ huh, well then at least I get my weekend back. | 21:46 |
| sdague | scottda: um, that's really not possible | 21:46 |
| scottda | I'm just the middle man here | 21:47 |
| mriedem | you mean out as in not happening | 21:47 |
| mriedem | vs out as released :) | 21:47 |
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| mriedem | important distinction | 21:47 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Not happening. | 21:47 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 21:47 |
| mriedem | i read the cinder channel | 21:47 |
| patrickeast | it was discussed in the last cinder meeting briefly, see ~16:06 http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-02-17-16.00.log.html | 21:47 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: There are still issues that need to be resolved and tested. | 21:47 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: yeah, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277224/ | 21:47 |
| mriedem | that's what we were talking about | 21:48 |
| edleafe | mriedem: did a quick count on the config options status. 504 total, 331 either merged or in the pipeline, 173 untouched | 21:48 |
| sdague | smcginnis: this is a monsterous upgrade problem | 21:48 |
| sdague | that we only didn't revert os-brick in liberty because it was going to be fixed in mitaka | 21:48 |
| smcginnis | sdague: Agreed. Not happy we weren't able to get it working in time. | 21:48 |
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| smcginnis | sdague: Well, TBF, there's a lot of goodness in os-brick that far surpasses the pain of copying rootwrap files. | 21:49 |
| sdague | smcginnis: it completely breaks our upgrade model | 21:49 |
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| sdague | I don't think I can bang my shoe on the table hard enough about that | 21:49 |
| smcginnis | We are tied, yes. But did we add anything to rootwrap filters in this cycle? | 21:50 |
| mriedem | i think there was maybe one thing | 21:50 |
| mriedem | i can check after the meeting | 21:50 |
| mriedem | i know we held things out | 21:50 |
| mikal | So, where to from here? | 21:50 |
| mikal | Do we still want that summary email? | 21:50 |
| mikal | Or are we dead in the water until newton? | 21:51 |
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| sdague | ok, so os-brick will never accept another rootwrap change until this is sorted, right? | 21:51 |
| gus | "Add os-brick's scsi_id command to rootwrap" - Sep 9 | 21:51 |
| smcginnis | I don't work in absolutes, but I can strongly discourage it. :) | 21:51 |
| sdague | smcginnis: no, this has to be absolutes | 21:51 |
| mriedem | mriedem@ubuntu:~/git/os-brick$ git log --oneline --no-merges 0.6.0.. -- etc/os-brick/rootwrap.d/os-brick.filters | 21:51 |
| mriedem | d3b9696 os-brick add cinder local_dev lvm code | 21:51 |
| mriedem | ebce3c3 DRBD connector class | 21:51 |
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| mriedem | we kept ebce3c3 out of nova | 21:52 |
| mriedem | b/c of the filter add | 21:52 |
| mriedem | d3b9696 is not being used in nova i dont think | 21:52 |
| mriedem | it was a late add, to prep for newton | 21:52 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: Right, not yet. | 21:52 |
| mriedem | 0.6.0 is what's in stable/liberty u-c, that's there i get the version from | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | so i guess let's take this to -nova or -cinder now | 21:53 |
| mriedem | and wrap up the nova meeting | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | i imagine there are some bits of brain and skull on the floor somewhere | 21:54 |
| mriedem | anyone have anything else? | 21:54 |
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| mriedem | ok, ending, thanks everyone | 21:54 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 21:54:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-02-18-21.00.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-02-18-21.00.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-02-18-21.00.log.html | 21:54 |
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| mikal | mriedem: thanks for running the thing | 21:54 |
| cdent | I was going to mention default policy files, but given the conversation just now seems pointless... | 21:55 |
| cdent | (from cross project meeting) | 21:55 |
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| mriedem | cdent: i'm assuming that's a newton thing right? | 21:55 |
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| cdent | I think for some of the people involved they were hoping not-newton | 21:56 |
| cdent | but at least in nova-land that's unrealistic | 21:56 |
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| mriedem | some people == keystone people? | 21:58 |
| mriedem | seemed keystone dominated this weeks cp meeting | 21:58 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin, HenryG, dougwig, amotoki, kevinbenton, mestery ping | 22:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | Hi | 22:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 22:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 22:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 22:00 |
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| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 22:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:01 |
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| armax | hello gents | 22:01 |
| armax | ready for some fun? | 22:01 |
| jniesz | hello | 22:02 |
| * carl_baldwin ready :) | 22:02 | |
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| dougwig | ooh boy are we. | 22:02 |
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| * mestery jumps up and down | 22:02 | |
| kevinbenton | Ya | 22:02 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers | 22:02 |
| -amotoki- :) | 22:02 | |
| mestery | Wait, by fun do you mean pointless bikeshedding on the mailing list? | 22:02 |
| armax | ok, open the boxes you received in the post this morning... | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | I didn't get one | 22:02 |
| armax | you all received suspiciuous packages did you? | 22:02 |
| mestery | This isn't some sort of "we all drink at once" thing is it? | 22:03 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: that’s because you’re never home | 22:03 |
| dougwig | mine was full of intel NICs. | 22:03 |
| njohnston | o/ | 22:03 |
| armax | oh well…it looks like this didn’t work this time, I’ll try next week | 22:03 |
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| armax | let’s get serious | 22:03 |
| armax | the list of triaged bugs for the week | 22:03 |
| armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=0 | 22:03 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=0 | 22:03 |
| armax | we punted on bug 1507499 | 22:04 |
| openstack | bug 1507499 in neutron "Centralized Management System for testing the environment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1507499 | 22:04 |
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| armax | so let’s move it aside for now | 22:04 |
| armax | next | 22:04 |
| armax | bug 1522102 | 22:04 |
| openstack | bug 1522102 in neutron "[RFE] use oslo-versioned-objects to help with dealing with upgrades" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1522102 - Assigned to Justin Hammond (justin-hammond) | 22:04 |
| armax | I was hoping Ihar would be around, but it’s too much to ask | 22:04 |
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| armax | I imagine that’s the sort of activity that’ll have to be chewed on slowly | 22:05 |
| njohnston | anyone know when he will be back? | 22:05 |
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| armax | it won’t finish in the span of a single cycle | 22:05 |
| armax | njohnston: it’s late night for him already | 22:05 |
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| njohnston | yeah, I just haven't seen him in a couple of days | 22:05 |
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| amotoki | IIRC, upgrade sprint in Mar will tackle OVO for core resources. | 22:05 |
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| armax | amotoki: ack | 22:06 |
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| armax | I think that we all watch this effort with interest, and we should let it progress so long as it doesn’t disrupt anything else | 22:06 |
| armax | so far it seems it isn't | 22:06 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 22:06 |
| armax | at one point I wasn’t even sure this needed an RFE | 22:06 |
| dougwig | i've so far not met anyone that messed with ovo and liked it afterwards. | 22:06 |
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| dougwig | it's kinda like drupal that way. | 22:07 |
| armax | in that, that’s one of the things we’ll have to tackle at some point in some form or another | 22:07 |
| mestery | dougwig: Ihar is one tough dude, lets see if he makes it out with his sanity | 22:07 |
| armax | dougwig: that’s one of those things: you gotta try it for yourself | 22:07 |
| armax | so if there are no major concerns on this one, we should watch it and make sure we have a clear understing of the implications of using OVOs everywhere | 22:08 |
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| amotoki | ++ | 22:08 |
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| armax | next bug 1527671 | 22:09 |
| openstack | bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE]Neutron QoS Priority Queuing rule" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527671 | 22:09 |
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| armax | I have been seeing a number of QoS RFEs lately | 22:09 |
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| armax | I wonder if at some point we need to draw the line | 22:10 |
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| armax | I am not against this one or a few others I have seen | 22:10 |
| dougwig | if it has active contributors, why would we? | 22:10 |
| vhoward | +1 | 22:11 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 22:11 |
| armax | dougwig: understood, but I’d rather work with something finite | 22:11 |
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| armax | and knowing that at some point I’ll be done | 22:12 |
| armax | it doesn’t have to be today | 22:12 |
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| armax | or tomorrow | 22:12 |
| armax | but at some point in the future :) | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | armax: indeed they are discrete items and therefore finite | 22:12 |
| armax | natural numbers are discrete | 22:12 |
| salv-orlando | now the number of those items might or might not be infinite | 22:12 |
| armax | I don’t recall they are finite | 22:12 |
| armax | but I digress | 22:12 |
| dougwig | heh, we either like little pieces or mega-specs. i'm not sure either really ends. it's when they don't get done, or are lousy, that i have an issue. | 22:13 |
| dougwig | aye indeed. | 22:13 |
| armax | I am still unclear on how all these qos pieces fit together | 22:13 |
| armax | we don’t seem to have a cohesive QoS strategy in Neutron | 22:13 |
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| armax | and I’d be wary of adding little pieces without having the overall picture in sight | 22:13 |
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| armax | or where we want to get | 22:14 |
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| armax | but that’s just me | 22:14 |
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| njohnston | I think our QoS strategy is a pretty straightforward "Rome wasn't built in a day" | 22:14 |
| mestery | I don't think it's unreasonable to try to understand the broader picture with respect to QoS armax, that's within reason completely. | 22:14 |
| armax | I am not saying I am against this RFE, but I’d rather look at it in the context of the other proposals to assess if it is an essential piece of the QoS puzzle | 22:14 |
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| dougwig | armax: that argues for a larger spec,t hen. | 22:14 |
| armax | I sense it is | 22:14 |
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| * carl_baldwin feels the same about the QoS strategy but thought maybe he just didn't understand it. | 22:15 | |
| armax | perhaps I ams simply advocating for looking at all the QoS RFE proposal together | 22:15 |
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| armax | so that we have a coherent story we’re gonna sell when it comes to QoS in Neutron | 22:16 |
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| armax | I wouldn’t simply rubberstamp RFE’s just for the sake of it | 22:16 |
| armax | I wonder if the sentiment is only mine | 22:16 |
| njohnston | I think there are 2 types of QoS RFEs that might come in: expanding QoS to different drivers (like LinuxBridge) and adding features (like DSCP and ECN). The list of possible QoS features to add is a finite and small set. | 22:16 |
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| njohnston | But the fact that you have an X times Y effect makes the number of RFEs seem large (DSCP on SR-IOV! ECN on Midonet!). | 22:17 |
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| armax | njohnston: right, let’s see if the people closer to QoS have a stronger opinion | 22:18 |
| armax | I’ll provide this feedback and we’ll reconvene in due course | 22:18 |
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| amotoki | I don't think backend implementations are related unless it is in-tree drivers. | 22:18 |
| armax | amotoki: there’s certainly a distinction between API and implementation | 22:19 |
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| amotoki | yes | 22:19 |
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| armax | let’s have this simmer a bit more, QoS is still churning in Mitaka, so review bandwidth is kinda limited anyway…talking about QoS :) | 22:20 |
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| armax | next? | 22:21 |
| armax | bug #1529109 | 22:21 |
| openstack | bug 1529109 in neutron "[RFE] Security groups resources are not extendable" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1529109 - Assigned to Roey Chen (roeyc) | 22:21 |
| armax | I personally can get behind salv-orlando’s argument | 22:21 |
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| armax | I was not sure whether the misisng method was an oversight or a by-design choice | 22:21 |
| armax | and hence I initially flagged negatively the patch that brought this to our attention | 22:22 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: the method was missing because the guy that did that for l3 did not bother doing the same stuff for other extension | 22:23 |
| armax | anyone feels strongly one way or another? | 22:23 |
| armax | salv-orlando: would that guy be you? | 22:23 |
| salv-orlando | armax: lazyness always gives me away | 22:24 |
| armax | salv-orlando: it does | 22:24 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: that’s why you’re so predictable | 22:24 |
| armax | :) | 22:24 |
| armax | ok, so if we move past the alignment with the ec2 version of security group API (which I guess we diverged from by now anyway) we could let this go | 22:25 |
| armax | but I’d still like to be conscious on how this is going to be used, at least within the borders of Neutron itlsef. | 22:25 |
| armax | sounds fair? | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | Sure | 22:25 |
| armax | ok, moving on | 22:26 |
| armax | bug 1540512 | 22:26 |
| openstack | bug 1540512 in neutron "Host Aware IPAM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540512 | 22:26 |
| carl_baldwin | So, this is from Calico. | 22:26 |
| armax | I tried to digest this one a few times | 22:26 |
| armax | but I have been unable to | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | Doesn't ipam already get the port object? | 22:27 |
| carl_baldwin | They want a mechanism to aggregate IPs in subnets around something like a host, rack, or some other physical thing. | 22:27 |
| armax | if you see overlap with routed networks | 22:27 |
| armax | could they provide feedback to that initiative? | 22:28 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: routed networks works a little bit differently because subnets are confined to an L2 domain. | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | If so, the only new thing this is requesting is the change to the nova neutron interaction for late ip assignment | 22:28 |
| dougwig | i think we could rename this "add neutron to the nova scheduler". | 22:28 |
| mestery | lol | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: not quite | 22:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | No, this isn't adding neutron to the nova scheduler. | 22:28 |
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| kevinbenton | This is just saying that neutron will pick IPs based on the host | 22:28 |
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| dougwig | i get that it's a narrow case, but what the real high-level detail is to get neutron-awareness into the vm scheduler. | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | In fact, since their requirement to aggregate IPs is more of a soft requirement, they don't need to affect nova scheduling. | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I didn't think IPAM got a port but I'll have to checke. | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | check. | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | dougwig: No, its not. | 22:29 |
| armax | ok so if I understand this correctly they want the IP selection to take into account the host on which the VM needs to land on | 22:30 |
| mestery | Won't they want to fail the nova scheduling decision if it doesn't fall in their IP addressing scheme? | 22:30 |
| carl_baldwin | What they need is 1) delayed IP assignment (which we're doing) and 2) sending the host to IPAM | 22:30 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: yes | 22:30 |
| armax | ok | 22:30 |
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| dougwig | well, do we want this narrowly focused RFE (and maybe we do), or do we open this up to what it really is.. *every* network resource could benefit from locality and influence in the scheduling, (pre or post, which is the fine hair you're parsing to say it's not he scheduler, but whatev.) | 22:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: no, their requirement is soft. | 22:30 |
| dougwig | /he/the/ | 22:30 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: Nova scheduling integration would not satisfy their use case | 22:31 |
| mestery | I'm not sure how that's useful, but ok | 22:31 |
| mestery | :) | 22:31 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I think 2 is a natural consequence of 2 | 22:31 |
| armax | *1 | 22:31 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: OK, I give up, explain it to me please and use small words | 22:31 |
| mestery | :) | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Is that recursive? | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | ;) | 22:31 |
| dougwig | y'all are reading too narrowly into my use of the word scheduler. | 22:31 |
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| kevinbenton | Neutron looks at port object and chooses IP based on host field | 22:31 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we can only do so when we’re deferring the IP allocation | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes | 22:32 |
| armax | to way after the scheduling has taken place | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: which is a consequence of which? | 22:32 |
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| armax | 2 consequence of 1 | 22:32 |
| armax | because if we don’t have late IP assignment, we may not know the host | 22:32 |
| armax | at all | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Maybe but I kind of think not necessarily. | 22:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, their ask here is just to work on getting the host info to IPAM. They have a spec up but it needs a lot of work. | 22:33 |
| armax | well | 22:33 |
| armax | that’s not a simple API change, even if internal | 22:33 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I'll look at what is already passed in the context of the spec, if we want to approve. | 22:34 |
| armax | it’s a matter of where the IPAM layer is involved in the port life cycle | 22:34 |
| armax | so, I guess it’s worth looking at, only after the routed networks effort has started to yield some code | 22:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: +1 | 22:35 |
| amotoki | at the current API, we will receive an IP address when port-create, so if we defer IP allocation it is an API change as well. | 22:35 |
| amotoki | armax: +1 | 22:35 |
| armax | ok | 22:35 |
| carl_baldwin | It *could* be used on my routed networks in the future, so I'm mildly interested myself. | 22:35 |
| carl_baldwin | amotoki: deferring IP address allocation is part of routed networks work already. | 22:36 |
| armax | right | 22:36 |
| amotoki | carl_baldwin: yeah, i forgot it. | 22:36 |
| armax | and I think that derring IP address is a prerequisite to be able to pass a non NULL host to IPAM | 22:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's let this simmer. I'll give some feedback on the spec and show some interest but we'll wait until the routed networks work progresses. | 22:36 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: right | 22:37 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ack | 22:37 |
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| armax | bug 1541579 | 22:37 |
| openstack | bug 1541579 in neutron "Port based HealthMonitor in neutron_lbaas" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541579 | 22:37 |
| armax | dougwig: as LBaaS SME in charge | 22:37 |
| dougwig | reading | 22:37 |
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| dougwig | reasonable, i'll comment on the bug on the exact syntax and whatnot. likely not mitaka, though. | 22:38 |
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| armax | dougwig: ok | 22:39 |
| armax | dougwig: I’ll follow up with you | 22:39 |
| dougwig | ok | 22:39 |
| armax | bug 1541895 | 22:39 |
| openstack | bug 1541895 in neutron "[RFE] [IPAM] Make IPAM driver a per-subnet pool option" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541895 - Assigned to John Belamaric (jbelamaric) | 22:39 |
| armax | this is giving me a bit of a headache | 22:39 |
| armax | for a couple of reasons | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | MLIpam! | 22:40 |
| armax | MLMLIPAM | 22:40 |
| armax | jokes aside, we have the migration to sort out | 22:40 |
| armax | but assumed that’s sorted | 22:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm not sure how much motivation there is behind this request. | 22:41 |
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| armax | well I wonder about the actual demand for such a use case | 22:42 |
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| armax | I need somethign stronger | 22:42 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Exactly what I'm wondering. | 22:42 |
| dougwig | mlml -- a mechanism driver that passes all ethernet frames via openstack-dev@openstack.org. | 22:42 |
| armax | to be fair, if we allow for multiple *things* to operate in Neutron | 22:43 |
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| armax | it’s only natural to extend the concept to IPAM | 22:43 |
| njohnston | dougwig: ROTFL | 22:43 |
| armax | dougwig: can you write a sepc? | 22:43 |
| armax | spec? | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: there is already a plugin that sends networks requests via email btw | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | Human defined networking! | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | my opinion is that a feature like this should not be implemented just because it's possible | 22:44 |
| -amotoki- that was presented in past summits :) | 22:44 | |
| armax | salv-orlando: +1 | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | otherwise we should also do what dougwig suggested: an email based datapath | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | why not | 22:44 |
| armax | but do we envision the request down the line? | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | So we shouldn't implement any features that are possible? | 22:44 |
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| kevinbenton | ;) | 22:45 |
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| armax | I am not sure DHCP is really key and diversity is really needed | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | armax: If the RFE had a description of a use case we might | 22:45 |
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| armax | how many IPAM systems does one really need? | 22:45 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we all agree. Let's push back on this one to build a case for it. | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: +1 | 22:45 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: +1 | 22:45 |
| amotoki | carl_baldwin: +1 | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | but I don't have a use case, if not selling IPAM from a given vendor as a premium service in a cloud | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | Each tenant should be able to bring their own ipam | 22:46 |
| armax | that’s another one | 22:46 |
| armax | bug 1544676 | 22:46 |
| openstack | bug 1544676 in neutron "[RFE] Support for multiple L2 agents on a host" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544676 | 22:46 |
| armax | LL2 agent | 22:46 |
| armax | mind boggling | 22:46 |
| salv-orlando | meta-agent | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | What? Isn't this supported? | 22:46 |
| armax | this is about running multiple L2 agents on the same compute | 22:46 |
| jniesz | the main reason I submitted the RFE was for upgrades | 22:46 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: not supported until we develop a L1 agent and the ML1 plugin | 22:46 |
| armax | jniesz: ack | 22:47 |
| armax | these are side-ways upgrades | 22:47 |
| dougwig | so, uhh, i'm not even sure we do *one* very well atm. | 22:47 |
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| armax | meaning from one technology to another | 22:47 |
| armax | dougwig: :) | 22:47 |
| armax | right | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | Wait, we already support this with certain agents | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | It sounds like this is a bug in either lb agent or ovs agent | 22:47 |
| amotoki | I think we can run sriov-agent and ovs-agent. | 22:48 |
| jniesz | or if you want to back a specific network with a particular agent for other reasons | 22:48 |
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| jniesz | like performance or feature | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: +1 | 22:48 |
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| armax | well this is about different L2 agents | 22:48 |
| jniesz | the ovs agent will enslave the interface first | 22:48 |
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| jniesz | if you are running ovs+linux bridge | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | Sr-iov is an L2 agent | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | We need to see what the fix to allow this would entail | 22:49 |
| armax | kevinbenton: come on, go beyond my words | 22:49 |
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| amotoki | in my understanding, in theory we allow multiple l2-agents on a same host. | 22:50 |
| amotoki | If it does not work, I think it is just a bug. | 22:50 |
| armax | I recall one or two bugs | 22:50 |
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| armax | where you had one agent and switched to another | 22:50 |
| armax | but not two at the same time | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | Let's see how invasive the fix is to see if an rfe is even necessary | 22:52 |
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| armax | ok I have a feel that this is going to be messy | 22:53 |
| armax | I am not sure this is somethign we can just try out, I imagine this needs some planning | 22:53 |
| armax | and digging | 22:53 |
| amotoki | agree. if we allow this we will need some gateway between two types of network backends... | 22:54 |
| armax | we also would need to be prescriptive of the migration use cases | 22:55 |
| armax | because we can’t simply assume this would work in all possible circustamces | 22:55 |
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| armax | is this for no downtime migration? | 22:56 |
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| armax | because it’s not that hard to have a predicatble migration path where you unplug and replug the VM’s nic | 22:56 |
| jniesz | for avoiding dedicating a set of compute hosts for migration | 22:56 |
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| armax | you don’t need dedicated hosts to do that | 22:56 |
| jniesz | it is possible to cascade | 22:57 |
| jniesz | as long as the swing space is there | 22:57 |
| armax | I am unclear as to why you’d need more compute resources if you can tolerate some downitme | 22:58 |
| armax | which is the safest thing to do in migration circumstances anyway | 22:58 |
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| armax | we should probably continue the conversation offline | 22:58 |
| armax | we’re runnign short | 22:59 |
| jniesz | ok | 22:59 |
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| armax | it’s food for thought | 22:59 |
| armax | jniesz: thanks for filing the RFE | 22:59 |
| armax | ok, we’ll continue next week from where we left off | 22:59 |
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| armax | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 22:59:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-02-18-22.01.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-02-18-22.01.txt | 22:59 |
| armax | thanks for joining | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-02-18-22.01.log.html | 22:59 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 23:00 |
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| salv-orlando | adieu | 23:00 |
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