Thursday, 2016-01-14

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thinrichsHi all.  Who is here for the Congress meeting?00:03
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:03
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pballandhi00:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'00:03
ekcshi00:03
raminenihi00:03
thinrichspballand, ekcs, ramineni: hi!00:03
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thinrichsmasahito: you here?00:03
masahitoyes00:04
thinrichsHere's my agenda for today…00:04
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thinrichs1. distributed arch00:04
thinrichs2. mid-cycle meet-up00:04
thinrichs3. Austin00:04
thinrichs4. mitaka-2 next week00:04
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thinrichs5. push driver00:05
thinrichsAnything else?00:05
thinrichs6. stable branches00:05
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thinrichsLet's get started then.00:06
thinrichs#topic distributed arch00:06
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thinrichspballand: I saw you pushing code to review.  How's it going?00:06
pballandyeah - I abandoned the old set and pushed a new one: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/congress+branch:master+topic:dse200:06
pballandhere’s: where it’s at...00:07
pballandthe code is completely standalone still, pending enough functionality (I’ll get to that) to merge existing services00:07
pballandit supports: launching multiple DseNodes, that discover eachother and share status00:07
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pballandDseNodes can expose RPCs and invoke them on other nodes00:08
pballandeach node runs zero or more services, which also support exposing and invoking RPCs00:08
pballandthe big missing piece is the DseService base class support for table subscription - I’m working on that right now00:09
pballandthe pieces pushed so far should give a good indication of where I am going, however, and should be ready for review00:09
pballandthat’s the summary - any questions?00:10
thinrichsThat's tremendous progress!00:10
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pballandthanks - I’ll try to respond to review comments quickly, so we can iterate on the design00:11
thinrichsI'm trying to figure out what we can do with the code that's already there.00:11
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thinrichsWe could (i) hook up the API models to the datasources and policy engines…00:12
pballandyes, and we could link the main driver to launch DseNode with a command-line option to run those services that are hooked up00:13
thinrichsI guess the only other thing we use the bus for right now having the policy engine/datasources pub/sub tables, which we can't do.00:13
pballandthinrichs: right - that is the big missing piece, sorry :-(00:13
pballandon the plus side, all of that relies on RPC, which has quite a bit of test coverage00:13
thinrichspballand: not calling out problems—just trying to enumerate the main pieces of functionality that we use the bus for.00:13
thinrichsIs it fair to say that we have 2 uses for the bus: (1) RPC from API and (2) table pub/sub for everything else?00:14
pballandthat, and policy delegation00:14
thinrichspolicy delegation is rpc, right?00:14
thinrichsaction execution is also rpc00:15
pballandI guess so, that’s fair00:15
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thinrichsHow's the unit test framework looking?00:15
pballandif anyone is looking for something to do, integrating the dse2 unit tests with the framework would be very helpful - it’s not something I’ve put _any_ time in00:16
pballandon00:16
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thinrichspballand: how's the test coverage looking (independent if those tests are running in the current framework).00:17
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pballandI haven’t run any coverage checks, but there are tests for all of the main methods00:18
pballandmostly functional tests (little/nothing mocked) rather than unit tests00:19
pballandhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/267228/2/congress/dse2/test_dse_node.py00:19
pballandfor example00:19
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thinrichsAll right, well that's some good background I'll use when I go to review.00:20
thinrichsAny other questions/comments on the distributed arch?00:20
pballandthat test is an example of simple RPC calls, and the DseControlBus extends DataService in non-trivial ways00:21
ekcsthinrichs: none from me.00:23
thinrichsI'll take a look and make a review pass either tonight or tomorrow hopefully.00:23
thinrichsLet's all get pballand reviews as soon as possible, so we all have a chance to pull down the code before the mid-cycle meetup.00:23
thinrichs#action Everyone will review the DseNode code00:23
thinrichs#topic Push driver00:24
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thinrichsmasahito: how is the push driver going?00:24
masahitoI push patches which receive data with existing API server.00:25
masahitohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/256303/00:25
masahitohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266347/00:25
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masahitoI'm wondering if I remove http_driver.py or not in next patch set.00:26
masahitobecause if Congress don't have it there is not reference implementation for other developers.00:27
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masahitoThat's my update.00:27
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thinrichsThe http_driver.py shows how to set up a datasource to accept http requests for pushing data.  Is that right?00:27
masahitoright. and shows what developers have to implement like get_datasource_info()00:28
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thinrichsGerrit saves everything forever…00:29
thinrichsso what I've done in the past is abandon the change that has the code that might be useful later but that we decided to not use immediately...00:29
thinrichs and then create a new changeset that has just the code that gets merged.00:30
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thinrichsThat way, we always have the alternate code available, but we don't pollute master with code that isn't currently being used.00:30
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masahitoJust my idea is keeping http_driver.py there or add a new driver that works for my OPNFV use-case.00:30
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masahitoI understand your concern.00:31
thinrichsDoes your OPNFV use case not work if the http push is routed through the API model?00:31
masahitono. it works when http push is routed via the API.00:32
ekcsWhat if the reference code is moved into an rst? Would that be a good solution?00:32
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masahitobut the table the driver should have would be different among the user.00:33
thinrichsmasahito: not sure I understand.  Can you give us some more context?00:34
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masahitoexample are following.00:36
masahitouser A want to use a table which has schema, event_id, host and status, but user B want to use a table which has 3 schema, name, status and disk.∫00:38
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masahitoIn this case,00:39
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masahitoI don't think it's not good to extend the driver everytime when the number of user increases and they use different schema.00:41
thinrichsSo you're saying that if we have 2 users who want to push different schema, we need 2 different datasources in congress that define the translators for that schema.00:42
thinrichsAnd then if we have N different schema, we'd need N different datasources in congress.00:43
masahitoright.00:43
thinrichsIf we could tell people that they are only allowed to push tables, then we don't really need a translator.00:43
thinrichsAnd 1 datasource would be enough for everyone.00:43
thinrichsThe only time we need translators is when people are pushing data that is not a list of tuples of strings/numbers.00:44
thinrichsSo maybe we would want a TablePushDriver that anyone can use who wants to push relational data in any schema.00:44
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thinrichsI suppose we could also create a JsonPushDriver that people can use who want to push json data, and recursively walk that data to turn it into tables.00:45
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thinrichsI guess the downside to that idea is that the schema isn't fixed in the code.  The schema is dynamically computed at runtime.00:46
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thinrichsI think the policy engine should be flexible enough to handle that now.00:46
ekcsquestion: is this a problem that arises only with push not poll?00:47
thinrichsmasahito: does that make sense?  (We're running short on time, so maybe we should continue this discussion offline.)00:47
masahitoyes.00:47
masahitomy idea for it is we implement create table API for definition of the driver.00:47
thinrichsekcs: right now all the datasources have static schemas.00:47
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thinrichsmasahito: that makes sense00:48
masahitoI check if it works in our use-case.00:48
thinrichsmasahito: if not, we can always compute the schema dynamically based on the data that has been pushed.  (The schema is being set dynamically in either case.)00:49
thinrichsWe're short on time, so let's move on.00:49
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thinrichs#topic stable branches00:49
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thinrichsramineni: I saw your change for project-config finally got merged.  Right?00:50
raminenithinrichs: yes :) , so now stable branches run only congress tests without plugin mechanism00:50
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raminenihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266801/00:50
thinrichsramineni: congrats!  That one took a while.00:50
raminenithis patch should turn the gate green00:50
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thinrichsramineni: great!  I'll take a look once we finish up the meeting.00:51
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raminenithinrichs: yep :D00:51
thinrichsHopefully then we can get the backlog of stable/liberty fixes in.00:51
thinrichsramineni: Do you remember if there's some stable/kilo work to do?00:52
raminenithinrichs: tempet tests are still disabled though , i will enable in one patch after it merges00:52
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thinrichsramineni: are you on the stable-maint team?  (Seems like you should be.)00:52
raminenithinrichs: no, stable kilo we have disabled this job i guess right?00:52
thinrichsMaybe so…I'm losing track.00:53
raminenithinrichs: ya, think so00:53
thinrichsI'll try to look into it.00:53
raminenithinrichs: i think its disabled , but do we want to support stable/kilo also?00:53
thinrichsramineni: I don't remember if it was working at all.  I seem to think not.  Let's focus on stable/liberty for now.00:54
thinrichsramineni: let us know if there's any help you need getting stable/liberty back on track.00:54
raminenithinrichs: sure00:54
thinrichsIf you're in stable/maint, you should be able to +2 things and merge them.00:54
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raminenithinrichs: ok00:55
thinrichs5 minutes left.00:55
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:55
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thinrichsekcs: anything to report?00:55
ekcsI'm working on this bp for pub-sub communication between policy engine and datasources: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/dist-datasources-on-bus00:56
ekcsAlmost ready to push reviewable WIP.00:56
thinrichsanyone else have anything?  (We can interleave the discussions to finish on time).00:56
thinrichsekcs: nice!  Having that in the pipeline will be good once we start getting pballand's changes integrated.00:56
thinrichsCouple of reminders…00:57
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thinrichs1. Calll for speakers at Austin closes Feb 300:57
thinrichs2. Our mid-cycle meetup is Jan 26-28.00:57
thinrichs3. Mitaka-2 is next week00:58
thinrichsThink that's it.00:58
ekcsmasahito: also, on this patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263464/), I’m not sure I understand your comment. Could we talk about it either here or later?00:58
thinrichsI'd suggest taking that to #congress, since we've got 2 min left.00:58
masahitoekcs: in #congrss later :)00:59
ekcsthinrichs: k00:59
thinrichsThat does it for this week.  Thanks all!00:59
thinrichsLet's make sure to get those reviews in.00:59
thinrichs#endmeeting00:59
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gmann#startmeeting qa08:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 08:59:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
gmannhi, who's here today?09:00
masayukig\o/09:00
jlanouxo/09:00
gmannmasayukig: jlanoux hi09:00
jlanouxhi gmann!09:00
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gmannlet's wait for sometime to join more people09:01
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gmannlooks like only three of us :). let's start09:02
masayukiggmann: sure09:02
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_January_14th_2016_.280900_UTC.2909:02
jlanoux:) quick meeting then09:02
gmannToday agenda ^^09:02
gmannjlanoux: yea, happy to go home early :)09:03
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gmann#topic QA Code Sprint09:03
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gmannas mtreinish sent mail on this just putting here for reminder09:04
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gmannthere are many people joining09:04
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/CodeSprintMitakaBoston09:04
gmannmasayukig: nice to see your name there :)09:04
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masayukiggmann: yeah, sorry to be not your name there.. :(09:05
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gmannmasayukig: not yet decided. I need to ask. I am afraid India travel conflict with this09:06
gmannthats all on this. Let's move09:06
gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:06
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masayukiggmann: OK, I'm looking forward to :)09:06
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z09:06
gmannmasayukig: Thanks :)09:06
gmannThere are some spec close to merge09:07
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gmannone is andreaf one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92804/09:07
gmannas andreaf is not here, let's skip. But more reviews are always good on that09:07
gmannanything else on spec topic09:08
masayukigit seems most of specs got -1 from someone.09:09
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gmannmasayukig: yea. seems like all are in good review progress09:09
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masayukiggmann: agree09:09
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gmannlet's move if nothing on this09:10
gmann#topic Priority Items09:10
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gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities09:10
gmannone is from me - Tempest Microversion support09:10
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gmannthat was M1 which is already passed09:11
mkodererhi folks09:11
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gmannthere are mainly 2 patches left09:11
gmannmkoderer: hi09:11
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support+status:open09:11
gmannafter those, i will plan to migrate the framework in lib09:11
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gmannand then projects can continue with microversion testing09:12
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gmannreviews are most welcome on those.09:12
gmannwant to push those ASAP09:12
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gmannnext is Service Client Migrations which is M209:13
gmannprogress is here09:14
gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tempest-service-clients09:14
gmannall compute one are done except keypair which is needed for microversion testing09:14
gmannnext main focus oomich_away is on neutron client09:15
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masayukiggmann: it's really great work!09:15
gmannnext one for M2  - Tempest Lib Migrations09:15
gmannmasayukig: yea. compute ones were huge09:15
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gmannjordanP not here09:16
gmannjlanoux: do you have anything on ssh validation ?09:16
jlanouxwell - more work came to it since the summit so I'm not sure this will be completed soon09:16
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jlanouxit's better to have this feature consolidated before migrating09:17
gmannjlanoux: what all we have pending on this, just for ref09:17
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gmannjlanoux: may be sshable thing and validation on scenario tests side?09:17
gmannjlanoux: yea before migration we should have all in better place09:18
jlanouxgmann: so I was thinking just to write the wrapper around compute and remote_client09:18
masayukigjlanoux: the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264323/ seems good direction to me.09:18
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jlanouxbut Sean would like less complexity and more clarity in the ssh code09:18
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jlanouxmasayukig: yes09:18
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gmannmasayukig: ah thanks09:19
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264323/09:19
jlanouxso I think that before thr wrapper, some refactoring needs to happen09:19
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gmannI will check this tomorrow, was not aware of that09:19
jlanouxI rebased this morning - got a +1 from Zuul yesterday09:19
gmannjlanoux: currently we have in common->create_test_server r09:20
gmannjlanoux: cool09:20
gmannjlanoux: are we separating it from there09:20
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jlanouxgmann: perhaps yes, I need to have a discussion with Andrea and Sean to confirm09:20
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gmannjlanoux: i see. Thanks09:21
masayukigone thing from me, about Tempest CLI progress: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-cli-improvements09:21
gmannit will be nice to put even more time on this. this is one of the imp validation for our tests09:21
jlanouxgmann: +10009:21
gmannjlanoux: Thanks for you hard work.09:21
gmannmasayukig: yea09:21
masayukigabout legacy commands, almost is done except account_generator.09:21
gmannyour turn09:21
gmannmasayukig: I will review that, i thin it is good now09:22
masayukiggmann: thanks, sorry for interupting09:22
masayukigBut I'm not sure new CLIs.09:22
gmannmasayukig: np09:22
gmannmasayukig: ok09:22
masayukigthat's all from me.09:22
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gmannmasayukig: Thanks09:22
gmannjlanoux: masayukig also we have ssh as one of key topic for mid cycle and good to be discussed there09:23
jlanouxgmann: yes, I cannot attend but Andrea will be there.09:23
masayukiggmann: yeah, I suppose so09:23
gmannjlanoux: ohk09:24
masayukigI will09:24
gmannnext one i see for M2 is Finalize ssh-auth bp09:24
gmannjlanoux: is this same?09:24
jlanouxgmann: yep09:24
gmannjlanoux: ok. Thanks09:24
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gmannanything else on priority items?09:25
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gmannok, let's move on09:25
gmann#topic Tempest09:25
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gmannfrom my side is microversion thing which we already discussed09:26
gmannmasayukig: jlanoux mkoderer anything from your side?09:26
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jlanouxgmann: not for me09:26
masayukigmkoderer: DDT?09:26
gmannmasayukig: mkoderer spec is merged i think09:27
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masayukiggmann: yeah, but I think there's some discussion there.09:27
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gmannmasayukig: ok09:28
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masayukigbut it seems mkoderer here right now..09:28
jordanPhi. sorry I am late...09:28
gmannmasayukig: other projects also use that but not sure09:28
gmannjordanP: hi. np!09:29
masayukigbut it seems mkoderer isn't here right now..09:29
gmannmasayukig: yea09:29
gmannjordanP: do you have anything on Tempest topic?09:29
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jordanPnope09:30
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gmannjordanP: ok09:30
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gmannthere is bug today about tox 2.2.1 fails with recursion09:30
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gmann#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/153400609:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1534006 in tempest "tox == 2.2.1 failed with 'RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while calling a Python object'" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann)09:30
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gmannit is fixed in 2.3.1 in case anyone face the issue09:31
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jordanPI don't think raising to 2.3.1 is a good idea. 2.3.1 is super recent09:31
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gmannI submitted a patch to raise min version in ini09:31
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267382/09:31
gmannjordanP: yea, but it is fixed in that version only09:31
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masayukiggmann: another solution is using older version, I think09:32
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gmannmasayukig: older than 2.2.009:32
jordanPI am not sure that's the best way to handle that, I'd rather wait mtreinish or sdague opinion. they are experienced in that kind of topic09:32
masayukiggmann: yeah. But I'm not sure it's good or bad for us.09:32
gmannmasayukig: jordanP ok, lets wait for other opinion.09:33
gmannI also ok with same and update tox in local env if facing issue09:33
gmannas gate is already taking 2.3.109:33
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mkoderersry folks I was distracted09:34
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mkodererabout DDt.. I need some more feedback for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223953/09:35
masayukig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223953/09:35
mkoderersince sdague -1ed the idea of using ddt09:35
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gmannmkoderer: ok09:36
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mkodererfor me DDT is used by many projects (unit test) and I don't why this should be a barrier for new test developers09:36
gmannmkoderer: i think same issue what sean mentioned we have for using testscenario also (appending something in test name)09:36
mkoderergmann: yeah, testscenario is much more complex IMHO09:37
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masayukigyeah, I don't want to think about testscenario x DDT09:37
mkodererso I am fine with not doing it.. but we than need to agree that we follow the concept of doing tempest "as simple as possible"09:37
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gmannmkoderer: yea, for for loop only ddt might be good09:37
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masayukiggmann: agree09:38
mkoderermasayukig: sure... mixing both is overkill :)09:38
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gmanntestscenario we have in Nova where we need test duplication at much higher level09:38
gmannmkoderer: agree09:39
gmannoomich_away: hi09:39
oomich_awaywe already have a lot of issues on the gate even if current impl is simple09:39
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mkodereroomich: that also a fair point09:39
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mkodererok so let us collect our thoughts in the review and I will create a ML thread if needed09:40
oomichif we want to find more issues on the gate, ddt is nice option at the time09:40
jordanPI'd rather have something simple, so although I like ddt in other projecrs, I am not sure it's best for tempest right now09:40
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gmannyea and we have idempotent_id if anything to be refer in code09:41
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mkoderergmann: idempotent_id shouldn't be an issue09:41
mkodererwe already discussed that within the spec review09:41
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mkodererhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/259934/09:42
gmannmkoderer: yea, i mean we can refer with same ID for all generated test case09:42
mkoderergmann: yep ok09:42
gmannanyways let's discuss and put our thoughts on review09:42
mkoderergmann: +109:42
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gmannanything else on Tempest side?09:43
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gmannlet's move on09:44
gmann#topic DevStack + Grenade09:44
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gmannanything on these or we skip devstack and grenade09:44
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gmannlet's move to next topic09:45
gmann#topic Critical Reviews09:45
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gmannreviews from anyone09:45
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gmannI have for microversion09:46
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265051/09:46
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gmannoomich: ^^ if you can look in this too :)09:46
gmannoomich: this will be last one09:46
oomichgmann: ok ;)09:47
gmannoomich: Thanks09:47
oomichbug before that, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244996 is much critical09:47
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oomichthat is the first microversion testing09:47
oomichs/bug/but/09:47
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gmannoomich: yea, totally agree09:48
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gmann#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24499609:48
oomichI have 2 for service client thing:09:48
gmannAll please review that09:48
oomich#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266685/09:48
oomich#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263982/09:48
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gmannoomich: Thanks. I will check09:49
oomichI am concentrating on service client migration for neutron now, and they are09:49
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oomichgmann: thank you also09:49
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gmannoomich: yea, those are one of most widely used09:49
gmannjordanP: i will discuss with you on this after meeting -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261149/09:50
gmannjordanP: actually i did not get your comments09:50
gmannany other reviews09:50
oomichgmann: yeah, I am replacing them with tempest-lib's ones on neutron-lbaas side09:51
gmannoomich: ohh, cool09:51
oomichthe repo contains a lot of copy&paste code from tempest09:51
gmannoomich: yea they have very old code09:51
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jordanPgmann, sure09:51
gmannoomich: might be huge work there for you :)09:51
oomichgmann: right09:51
gmannbut not sure why they do not switch to plugin09:52
oomichgmann: happy if other guys also will replace them09:52
gmannoomich: will it be worth to fix the old copy paste code instead of moving to plugin ?09:52
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oomichgmann: guessing they need help from us for doing that09:53
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gmannoomich: ohk09:53
oomichgmann: I prefer moving to plugin09:53
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oomichthat is clean way09:53
gmannoomich: yea, I am asking Mistral also to move to plugin as our colleague working on that09:54
gmannand its is in nice progress now09:54
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oomichcool :)09:54
gmannoomich: Thanks for helping them, it is nice09:55
gmannlet's move on09:55
gmann#topic Open Discussion09:55
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gmannanything else to discuss. 5 min left09:55
dmelladooops almost missed the meeting :\09:56
dmelladothought it was on the afternoon today09:56
gmanndmellado: hi09:56
gmanndmellado: yea about to close09:56
toskya quick request: I understand (and agree) that the road is to move tests as plugins, especially for the projects outside the core 609:56
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toskybut in the meantime, can you please look at this smal lchan09:57
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toskysmall change* for sahara? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255968/09:57
gmanntosky: sure09:57
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gmanntosky: sahara already has plugin09:57
toskygmann: not completely09:58
toskygmann: I know because I moved them; the plugins are for python clients tests; the review above is for API tests09:58
gmanntosky: oh. not for API tests. humm09:59
gmanntosky: anyways. I will have look tomorrow.09:59
gmanntosky: Thanks09:59
toskyas I said, I agree that they need to be moved away :)09:59
toskythanks!09:59
gmanntosky: yea that is final goal09:59
masayukigit's the time10:00
gmannlet's close meeting. Timesup10:00
gmannmasayukig: yea10:00
gmannThanks everyone for joining10:00
oomichthanks10:00
masayukigthanks all o/10:00
dmelladothanks!10:00
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gmann #endmeeting10:00
gmann#endmeeting10:00
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johnthetubaguyso lets get going now its time14:00
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:01
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johnthetubaguy#info Jan 21: Nova non-priority feature freeze14:01
johnthetubaguy#info Jan 19-21: mitaka-214:01
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johnthetubaguyso this afternoon, I am thinking of kicking out all blueprints that don't yet have any code up for review14:01
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gcbo/14:01
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johnthetubaguywe already have more blueprint code that we can possibly merge, so its good to try and concentrate14:02
bauzas+114:02
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking14:02
navinrioI was thinking to work on Legacy to DVR - TBD14:02
johnthetubaguylets keep our review focus up, to get the most into this release as possible, the above should help us with that14:02
navinrioif it ok with team14:03
raildoo/14:03
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johnthetubaguynavinrio: lets leave that till the Open Discussion section14:03
johnthetubaguyso as a heads up14:03
navinriook14:03
johnthetubaguythe mitaka-2 release will happen independently of the feature freeze14:03
johnthetubaguythere will be some simple exception process, in some etherpad, post the freeze, but the midcycle is likely to extend that beyond the usual one week14:04
johnthetubaguybut we can discuss that later on14:04
PaulMurrayo/14:04
johnthetubaguyany questions with the process things, while we are here?14:04
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:04
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johnthetubaguyso our bug folks don't seem to be in channel today14:05
johnthetubaguy#help volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty14:05
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker14:05
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johnthetubaguy#link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:06
jaypipes............o/ ... o-|-<14:06
johnthetubaguyany things folks want to raise around these?14:06
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bauzasnothing really critical unless I missed14:06
dimsjohnthetubaguy : the dhcp timeout is concerning14:07
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johnthetubaguydims: thats just a new signature for an old friend though, as I understand it?14:07
sdaguedims: the dhcp issue has been around for a long time14:07
sdagueI agree it would be good to figure out14:07
johnthetubaguythats basically the same as the ssh timeout thingy14:07
dimssdague : johnthetubaguy : ack14:07
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: well, it's a subset14:07
johnthetubaguybut yeah, who fixes that for good needs some kind of reward14:07
johnthetubaguysdague: oh, thats even better14:07
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dimsbounty!14:08
dane-fichterjohnthetubaguy: I came across this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/153367814:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533678 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Jenkins py34 gate failing with 'wmi is not defined' error" [Undecided,New]14:08
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dimsdane-fichter : that should have gotten fixed already14:08
sdaguedims: python3.4 is still failing a lot14:08
johnthetubaguydane-fichter: hmm, we use that for hyper-v but should only run on windows, AFAIK, and probably fixed14:09
dimssdague : last 3 were on the same review14:09
sdagueok14:09
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johnthetubaguycool, moving on14:09
dimssdague : legitimate failures i checked14:09
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:09
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johnthetubaguywe have a few agenda items14:09
johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: any midcycle details to share?14:09
sdaguedims: oh, it was recheck grinded .... :(14:10
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NovaMitakaSprint14:10
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle14:10
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johnthetubaguyif you are there, please do start adding ideas14:10
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johnthetubaguyI know some folks are only making it for one day (mdbooth I think), so we can try schedule things, to suit where possible14:11
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, only what's on the pages14:11
johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: cool14:11
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, I might add a page14:11
PaulMurrayfor people to say when they arrive, leave where they14:11
PaulMurraystay - in public - does that sound useful14:11
PaulMurray?14:11
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johnthetubaguythere is a TC related discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256440/ but I think that was on last week too14:12
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johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: yeah, very possibly, if folks want to14:12
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johnthetubaguythomasem: you wanted to talk about LXC?14:12
bauzasred like a tomato14:12
thomasemjohnthetubaguy: I did, and that review concerns me a bit.14:12
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thomasemWe're trying to get the experimental lxc gate tests to a reliable state at the moment14:13
thomasemwe have details of what we're doing laid out here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lxc_driver_devstack_gate14:13
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thomasemPretty much trying to stabilize the Libvirt/LXC driver from a testing perspective so we can get at least with a non-voting gate test, and hopefully a voting one soon after.14:14
thomasemRight now the experimental job is failing consistently, and we've identified the tests that I think are the problem.14:14
johnthetubaguycool, good to see progress on that14:15
johnthetubaguyany more topics folks want to raise?14:15
johnthetubaguyor any questions?14:15
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: I added some14:15
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tpatzigme too14:15
johnthetubaguynavinrio: I think you had a question?14:15
sdagueunit tests w/ constraints14:15
thomasemI was going to see what y'all thought about skipping those to give us breathing room while I find the problems there. All of the tests that are failing (save for the expected ones like disk config which doesn't apply to raw fs images) are working fine in my local devstack, but the devstack-gate's devstack configuration is different. I'm comparing and going line-by-line to figure out at what point it breaks14:15
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thomasemsorry, johnthetubaguy I wasn't quite done :P14:16
thomasemjust typing14:16
johnthetubaguythomasem: ah, no worries14:16
thomasemit's 8 tests that are having trouble with the devstack gate configuration14:16
thomasemand so that's what I'm in the process of debugging right now14:16
johnthetubaguythomasem: I like the idea of something testing LXC, assuming that includes booting an instance14:16
thomasemI believe dimtruck has or will soon have a regex change up to skip those tests14:16
thomasemyes, that's tested14:16
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johnthetubaguygetting a green thing, then working through it makes sense14:16
thomasemthe ones that are failing are anything that does a stop on it14:16
thomasemyep that's what I'm thinking14:17
dimtrucka patch will be up this morning...testing in local gate first...it worked14:17
thomasemthere's something weird going on with Libvirt there14:17
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thomasemSounds good, johnthetubaguy14:18
johnthetubaguythomasem: lets try that, and see where we go, cools14:18
johnthetubaguyso mriedem had a question about volume multi-attach on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084031.html14:18
johnthetubaguyas he is not here, might make sense to reply there14:18
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johnthetubaguyunless folks had things they wanted to discuss here?14:18
johnthetubaguyits a tricky upgrade one, in summary14:19
sfinucanjohnthetubaguy: I have one thing, but it can wait14:19
ildikovo/14:19
tpatzigi just wanted to raise https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/flavor-with-volume14:19
johnthetubaguyOK...14:19
johnthetubaguytpatzig: you have a blueprint on the agenda14:20
tpatzigyes14:20
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johnthetubaguytpatzig: its not approved for mitaka, so is unlikely to make our feature freeze next week14:20
tpatzigcurrently i'm writing the spec, just wanted to see if it makes sense and is worth...14:20
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tpatzigdoes not necesarily be in mitaka14:21
johnthetubaguytpatzig: if you want a flavor that says "this must be boot from volume", that seems like a good idea14:21
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tpatzigyes, exactly without ephemerals14:21
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mkoderertpatzig: +114:21
johnthetubaguytpatzig: I don't really think Nova should restrict the volume sizes though, but its worth documenting the use case in a spec, so we understand it14:22
johnthetubaguythe volume size should be purely a cinder quota/limits thing, in my head, but I am willing to say I could well be missing something14:22
johnthetubaguysdague: I see your things now :)14:22
johnthetubaguysdague: Unit tests with constraints - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267096/14:23
johnthetubaguyoh, I see, this is use constraints everywhere14:23
sdagueright, so originally I had patches up for us to go the direction neutron went, with things like py27-constraints environments14:23
tpatzigi did not had any size limits in my mind so far. just providing a volume size in the flavor will create the cinder volume if the quotas allow14:23
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sdaguehowever both mriedem and danpb disliked that approach, because we have to retrain the world how to run tests that match the gate. Which I think is a valid point.14:24
mkodererjohnthetubaguy: it's only about restricting any kind of ephermal disk14:24
johnthetubaguytpatzig: I think we probably want the user to pass in the volume they already created, ideally, but lets talk more in the spec review, with use cases infront of us14:24
johnthetubaguymkoderer: yes, that the feature I am wanting us to have, but haven't had time to build yet14:24
mkodererjohnthetubaguy: cool14:24
bauzasyeah, not sure asking to create a volume sounds good for me14:25
sdaguethis does however mean we're going to have to now convince the rest of folks that we should use the same names, so it would be helpful to get nova people to +1 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267149/14:25
sdaguewhich is the governance change to make this all happen14:25
sdaguethe net result: unit tests should get randomly broken by upstream library releases less often14:25
tpatzigjohnthetubaguy:ok, makes sense. the idea with the flavor option is to create a new cinder volume, not for existing ones14:25
johnthetubaguysdague: oh, we should totally agree on the names, good point14:25
mkoderertpatzig: ok so let's work on a spec for n-release :)14:25
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johnthetubaguysdague: totally agreed thats an important step14:26
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johnthetubaguy#help please review this governance change around unit tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267149/14:26
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tpatzigmkoderer: +114:26
bauzassdague: nice change14:26
johnthetubaguysdague: this feels easier now we dropped run_tests.sh14:27
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, agree14:27
sdaguethat only took 3 years :)14:27
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johnthetubaguyheh14:27
johnthetubaguywell it made me move over to tox, but anyways, lol14:27
sdaguethat's all on that topic, let me know when you are ready for project_id discussion14:27
johnthetubaguyso the above seems OK to me, but I could well be missing something that dansmith and mridem are seeing14:28
johnthetubaguy#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083976.html14:28
johnthetubaguylets talk project ids14:28
alaskisdague: do we need the non constraints job in order to test updating the constraints?14:28
sdaguealaski: no14:29
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alaskiokay, then +1 from me14:29
sdagueok, project_ids14:29
sdaguethere is an intractable problem with supporting urls with and without project_id as long as the definition of project_id is completely wide open14:29
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sdaguewhich I explained in that email14:30
danpbjohnthetubaguy: we dropped run_tests.sh ?? it still exists in git AFAICT14:30
dansmithlol14:30
ndipanovdanpb, try running it14:30
danpblol14:30
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sdagueso, mostly, I need feedback on what kind of constraint we find acceptable that has a low likelihood of breaking people14:31
johnthetubaguysdague: so I think for projects ids you hit a good comprimise14:31
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johnthetubaguyit certainly looks like it works for me, in the rackspace sense of me14:31
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sdaguethere are about 1000 tests which will have to be updated to get it to pass, because we use 'fake' and 'openstack' as project_id in our tests, so before I start grinding through that I wanted to have some confidence [0-9a-f]+ is ok14:32
johnthetubaguyoh, I remember you saying now, yeah14:32
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sdagueso, I'll take this as an ACK on that regex, and move forward14:33
johnthetubaguyit does worry me, that we can't have top level resources that are valid hex, but it seems a small price to pay14:33
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: right, well we don't have any today14:33
sdagueand this limitation is only in effect as long as we support both at once14:33
johnthetubaguywe can always add os- if there is one14:33
sdagueright14:34
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alaskithat regex should work for all operators who have spoken up about it, but is there a fallback if someone comes forward later and is broken?14:34
sdaguealaski: my feeling is we fix it in post14:34
cdentI love that phrase14:34
dansmiththat's probably going to piss off someone14:35
alaskieither amend the regex, or configure optional project_id off?14:35
sdaguealaski: right14:35
cdentsomething something please everyone all the time something something14:35
johnthetubaguywe could go for each route having a "supports project_id also" option, then have two regex-es so we tell if its a valid route, before then checking for the project id, but that feels like overkill for now14:35
dansmith_if_ we wanted to be slower, could we install something that will warn people that their url is going to not work?14:35
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johnthetubaguyyeah, seems we have an out14:35
dansmithor are you saying there'll be a flag that will fix them in the first round for sure?14:35
sdagueso, honestly, I don't believe there will be any deployments that will get hit with this14:36
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sdaguebecause they have to be really old, and really hack keystone14:36
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sdaguewe'll put in the release notes this is a restriction, make it prominent14:37
sdagueand keep an eye on bugs filed in14:37
dansmithsorry if I'm being dense,14:37
sdaguethen react to that if there are any (I'll bet a beer there will never be)14:37
cdentthey'll only get bit if they upgrade, and if they are that old what's the odds of them upgrading without thinking hard about it?14:37
cdentnot much14:37
cdentso safe14:37
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dansmithwhatever, I guess I'll stop being cautious14:38
alaskicdent: very likely, as long as there's an out if the upgrade will break them14:38
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dansmiththat's what I want to clarify14:38
sdagueright, and I think the out is us patching later.14:38
dansmiththat the first breakage is soft14:38
johnthetubaguydansmith: you thinking an option to stop support both, if they hit the issue?14:38
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I want to soft break them first, with a fix_it_this_time=True flag so they have at least a cycle to figure out what they're going to do14:39
dansmithI know that we think nobody will be in this situation,14:39
johnthetubaguydansmith: gotcha, you add the conf as already deprecated maybe?14:39
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dansmithbut we know someone converting from some system to keystone could have this arrangement and breaking our oldest users doesn't seem like a good idea14:39
sdaguedansmith: if they update their service catalog to drop the project_id, there is no problem14:40
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johnthetubaguyapart form all the hard-coded scripts14:40
sdagueright14:40
dansmithsdague: as long as they have nothing else that depends on it, like a load balancer, or any number of other things ...14:40
dansmithI'm just saying,14:40
johnthetubaguysdague: is it easy to add the config? or hard?14:40
alaskior a rate limiter like repose...14:41
sdaguethe reason I'd like to not add a config, is people will start using it that aren't us14:41
johnthetubaguyalaski: yeah... unless you want an excuse to remove it14:41
dansmiththis seems like a pretty serious grenade to just throw in and require people to make that kind of change to account for it in one cycle14:41
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sdagueand the reality is that it's going to be 12 months before anyone shows up with this14:41
sdagueif anyone ever does14:41
alaskijohnthetubaguy: there have been many reasons already, and it's still there :)14:42
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johnthetubaguysdague: but if we add it as deprecated "if you need this call us" kind of thing, it feels better14:42
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sdaguewhich I don' think they will14:42
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johnthetubaguyalaski: true :'(14:42
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: and when do we delete it?14:42
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johnthetubaguysdague: next release, at least they have an edge thats soft, if they follow orders14:42
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sdagueanyone that far behind tends not to14:42
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sdaguein reality, if you've hacked the system enough to have this behavior, you've got custom patches on keystone14:43
dansmiththat's not true, right?14:43
sdagueI feel like a map to "you are going to have to patch nova as well" should be fine14:43
johnthetubaguydansmith: was it LDAP or something?14:43
dansmithjust importing stuff into the db will get you here right?14:43
sdaguemaybe14:43
johnthetubaguyoh, right, that14:43
alaskiyeah, it sounded like keystone allowed this14:43
auggyi remember hearing LDAP come up as a possible case for breakage14:44
dansmithalaski: it did14:44
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dansmithanyway,14:44
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dansmithI need not take a hard line on this.. it seems like a big grenade to me, but if the deployer types (john and laski) aren't concerned then that's fine14:44
dansmithbut if they are, I think we should be really cautious here14:44
alaskiI have concerns14:45
johnthetubaguyI am tempted to add a config for one release, to soften the blow14:45
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sdagueok, if a config for a different regex will get us concensus, I'm fine with that14:45
cdentalready deprecated config, yes?14:46
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dansmithwhat does that mean?14:46
sdagueyes14:46
johnthetubaguylets add it as deprecated14:46
dansmith"different regex" ?14:46
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sdaguedansmith: let the operator define the validation regex for project_id14:46
jaypipesdansmith: yeah, I'm working on that... (caffeinating)14:46
dansmithsdague: okay, I thought maybe you mean something else14:47
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dansmithjaypipes: +114:47
alaskisdague: that would make it more palatable to me14:47
sdaguealaski: ok14:47
johnthetubaguyyeah, same here I think14:47
johnthetubaguyOk, so any more for any more?14:48
andrearosaquick request for review https://review.openstack.org/259528 and the related patches.14:48
andrearosathey are for implementing an approved non priority bp14:48
andrearosathanks14:48
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johnthetubaguyso quick reminder about the feature freeze next week14:48
johnthetubaguythanks all14:48
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap15:03
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gordci sent an email regarding the items i'm tracking (that aren't complete)15:03
gordcif there are any extras please let me know (and maybe add to etherpad15:03
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gordcdo we need any reviews on specs?15:04
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gordc(can someone approve my rolling upgrade doc spec)15:04
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cdentgordc: link?15:04
gordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/242216/15:04
_nadya_we need more eyes here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267078/15:05
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_nadya_and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209799/15:05
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jd__i'll check them15:05
gordc_nadya_: what spec is first one tied to?15:05
_nadya_to liusheng's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209799/15:05
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gordcoh... i think liusheng was working on that...15:06
_nadya_gordc: we sync'ed with him, don't worry :)15:06
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liusheng_nadya_: after the composite alarm feature :)15:07
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_nadya_liusheng: cool15:07
gordcok. i'll just ask if we can put a bit more focus on specs for now15:07
liusheng_nadya_: thanks for your Poc15:07
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gordcalthough i think it's really only the polling cache that might require more eyes15:08
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_nadya_gordc: what do you think about transformers?15:08
gordcredis caching?15:09
_nadya_or discuss it later?15:09
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gordc_nadya_: ^?15:10
_nadya_gordc: please go ahead :) I will wait for open discussion15:10
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gordc#topic aodh topics15:10
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gordcany items here?15:10
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gordcaodhclient patches are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-aodhclient+branch:master+topic:alarm15:11
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gordcanyone know why the liberty aodh integration gate is failing?15:11
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jd__no :(15:12
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gordci don't really understand why it passes randomly...15:12
gordci can't tell if it's celiometer, aodh, gnocchi, heat, or nova that's broken :(15:12
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gordcsomething to debug i guess15:13
idegtiarov_hi!15:13
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gordcanyone else with aodh topic?15:13
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gordckk, if someone does look at liberty aodh gate, please let me know15:14
gordc#topic ceilometer topics15:14
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gordc_nadya_: you might be interseted in this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/153378715:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533787 in Ceilometer "workload_partitioning inconsistently reports group members" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to gordon chung (chungg)15:15
liushenggordc: FYI, the main composite patches has been basically completed, except client side15:15
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gordcliusheng: that's awesome. you have links?15:15
liushenggordc: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/aodh+branch:master+topic:bp/composite-threshold-rule-alarm15:15
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gordcliusheng: cool cool15:15
_nadya_gordc: yep, I saw this. Probably, I need to test this15:15
gordcliusheng: do you have plans to deprecate combination alarms?15:16
liushenggordc: the two patches of sileht is unrelated15:16
liushenggordc: just because dependency15:16
gordcare we all agreed that we should deprecate it? or just leave it?15:16
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liushenggordc: maybe we should keep it at least a release cycle ?15:17
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gordckeep it, deprecate in N* and remove in O*?15:17
gordcok.15:18
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jd__i'll try to review that too15:18
jd__thanks liusheng15:18
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_nadya_gordc: what do you think about my results from here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Um5RFH7KGtuD9_PlaBQtMD3pdd6fNvMRUa5bSqyfk0M/edit#heading=h.7f8sbf3dzgfh ? I'm talking mostly about how things are now, not about Redis15:18
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gordcwell we can deprecate it now i think.. if not i think i need to add combination support to client15:18
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gordc_nadya_: i added comment (and some to your bug)15:19
gordci think we need better understanding of why15:19
liushenggordc: I suggest we'd better to notice users before deprecation, in case of we have forgot some use cases15:19
gordcliusheng: sure sure15:19
_nadya_gordc: there were a lot of "out of order, drop" in logs, yes15:19
gordchow large is your queue when you start agents?15:20
_nadya_@gordc 015:20
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gordc_nadya_: my main concern with redis design is it's sort of an antipattern... 'database as ipc'... that said, a lot of things are antipatterns15:21
_nadya_gordc: I'm starting from scratch, create load only by test15:21
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_nadya_gordc: ok, let me sum verything up and create a thread in ML15:22
gordc_nadya_: i think we need to try without the bug. maybe do a log dump for all agents too15:22
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gordcnot just errors15:22
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gordcit's sort of hard to understand what's happening with a few charts and no understanding what happened in between15:22
_nadya_gordc: I'm thinking about returning transformers back to polling agents15:22
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gordc_nadya_: why's that?15:23
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_nadya_gordc: transformations will be done at each agent, willn't it?15:24
gordccdent: ^ since you did this work15:24
cdentI'm listening15:24
gordc_nadya_: currently transformation are done at each agent?15:25
cdentbut don't understand the problem that reverting would fix?15:25
_nadya_cdent: I'm investigating how transformers work in coordination mode for notification agents15:25
_nadya_cdent: and now I have results that we lost a lot of delta metrics under high load15:26
jd__+1 antipattern15:26
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_nadya_gordc: on each notification agent, not comute agent15:26
cdentjd__: ?15:26
jd__you're not solving the right problems from what I read15:26
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jd__cdent: [16:21:23]  <gordc>_nadya_: my main concern with redis design is it's sort of an antipattern... 'database as ipc'... that said, a lot of things are antipatterns15:27
_nadya_jd__: forget about Redis, let's concentrate on what we have now15:27
gordc_nadya_: you are losing deltas because if the agents don't register to same group, they will start fighting for samples and we will not be able to calcluate deltas (all the time)15:27
gordcwhich is why we need to look at why sometimes the agents can't see each other15:28
jd__don't compute delta may be a solution?15:28
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_nadya_jd__: +115:28
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jd__:(15:28
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gordc_nadya_: we need to look at what's happening in middle and not just why you have end results you have15:29
_nadya_jd__: tbh, I'd keep only one value-based transformers15:29
gordci'm pretty sure you see same thing as me where the members aren't all there15:29
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_nadya_gordc:will let you know about results15:30
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gordc_nadya_: can you drop full logs some where?15:30
gordccdent: about?15:31
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_nadya_gordc: yep, I'll collect them. from notification agents, rabbit?15:31
cdentAs far as I can hear it sounds like a thing that never worked so well in the first place is now demonstrated to not work well with the transformers moved, so there's though to move the transformers back15:31
cdentyet it sounds to me like that's not addressing the actual problem15:31
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cdentjust removing a variable that may be independent15:32
gordc_nadya_: both? i'm thikning the segfault is something else.15:32
jd__I like what cdent says even if I don't know if it's true15:32
cdentI don't know if it is either, thus the confusion15:32
_nadya_cdent: why we still have it? why can't we remove transformers support if it doesn't work?15:33
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gordccdent: what's 'the thing that don't work so well' transformers?15:33
_nadya_cdent: we have a super-distributed stuff for notification agents to support transformers15:33
gordc_nadya_: well i think we need ot figure out why it doesn't work15:33
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cdentwhat gordc just said15:34
_nadya_lol15:34
cdentrather than just killing it, find out why15:34
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cdentbecause it _sounds_ like it is masking some problem that we should know about15:34
gordccdent: agree15:34
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_nadya_ok, I'll continue with investigations then and will ping you both gordc and cdent15:35
gordc_nadya_: kk15:35
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gordci would say main thing is to make sure the agents are all in group.15:36
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cdentIf we've got evidence that tooz is being confused lately, we need to make sure that's proper before going much further15:36
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_nadya_not sure that tooz is to blame15:37
_nadya_kk, let's move on15:37
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gordc_nadya_: basically, if the membership is messed up, all the tranformations are messed up. same would apply whether transfomration are done at polling or notificaiton15:38
gordc_nadya_: i'll put together some questions so we can debug farther15:38
_nadya_gordc: ok, great15:39
gordc#topic gnocchi topics15:39
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gordcjd__: happy times in gnocchi?15:39
jd__oh yeah15:39
jd__we'd need a few more reviews on current patches15:39
jd__but we're in pretty good shape!15:40
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jd__awesome improvement, good performance increase15:40
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gordcjd__: 1000%15:40
jd__I'll probably do some benchmarks in the next weeks, I'm pretty sure we beat things like InfluxDB now :p15:40
gordcperformance increase. people like unveriable numnbers15:40
jd__I'm adding some request features these days15:40
jd__gordc: exactly15:40
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jd__I'll pop up some random big numbers15:40
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jd__we also have a good doc update15:41
jd__http://gnocchi.xyz/15:41
gordcjd__: i think llu  said he just got access to his lab so we can test across a few nodes15:41
jd__gordc: awesome15:41
jd__let me know if you need a hand15:41
gordcwe'll ping you if we run into anything... and we can add docs/bugs from that15:41
jd__👍15:42
gordc#topic open discussion15:42
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gordci should mention, everyone should have gotten or be getting there ATC emails15:43
gordcso check your junk15:43
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gordc... mail15:43
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gordc*shrugs* regular checkups at the doctor is good practice15:44
jd__rofl15:44
jd__I registered15:44
jd__that means I should be there so… behave.15:45
cdentme too15:45
jd__(or not)15:45
liamjihello Gordon, I have updated the bp spec about enabling the LBaaS v2 based on the comments. Could you review it if you have time? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244139/ thanks15:45
gordcthis is all logged... so...lol15:45
gordcliamji: cool! yes, i remember.15:46
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liamjigordc: thanks : )15:46
gordceveryone take a look at that.15:46
jd__it's important that it's logged15:46
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gordcjd__: get out.15:46
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jd__I want my descendants to be able to read it15:46
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gordcregardless, if you don't have atc let me know.15:47
gordcliamji: have you started coding sa well?15:47
gordcas well*15:47
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gordcok anything else?15:48
gordclast few seconds15:48
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liamjigordc: yes, I have started to code15:49
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gordcliamji: cool cool. sounds good.15:49
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gordclet's close this meeting15:50
gordcthanks everyone15:50
gordc#endmeeting15:50
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emaganahello! anyone there for networking guide meeting?16:00
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emagana#startmeeting networking-guide16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 16:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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emaganaI am sure Sam-I-Am is around!16:01
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Sam-I-Amhowdy16:01
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Sam-I-Amemagana: whats up with the calendar confusion?16:01
emaganait is just you and me16:01
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navinrioHi16:01
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emaganaAm I wrong?16:01
emaganahi navinrio16:02
lwilliamso/16:02
Sam-I-Amemagana: did you see the post on the -dev list?16:02
emaganaSam-I-Am: I though we were fine16:02
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Sam-I-Amemagana: dunno, i reloaded the ical and the meeting is next week, but i dont think it hurts to talk now anyway since we're here16:03
Sam-I-Amand the networking guide needs work, as usual16:03
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emagana indeed!16:03
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emaganaaction# review the calendar and make ajustment based on the ical16:03
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Sam-I-Ami dont see you around much these days16:04
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emaganalet's make this one focus on the guide assignments16:04
navinrioI am thinking to work on Legacy to DVR - TBD ( H )16:05
navinrioIs it ok with team16:05
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emaganawe were hoping to get more people self-assignments from the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide16:05
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Sam-I-Amnavinrio: sure, if you're up for that task16:05
navinriowhat is the timeline and16:05
Sam-I-Amnavinrio: asap :)16:05
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Sam-I-Amnavinrio: or... 2 releases ago?16:05
emagananavinrio: thanks, yes we need to add content asap16:05
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Sam-I-Ammigration to dvr rather than reinstalling increases adoption of dvr16:06
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Sam-I-Ampeople don't want to greenfield if they can avoid it16:06
emagananavinrio: I just added your name to the etherpad16:06
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emaganaI am taking Debugging16:06
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emaganaSam-I-Am: you have already configuration.16:07
Sam-I-Amemagana: yeah, and i need to update the scenarios16:07
emaganawith that we will have covered some of the ( H ) areas16:07
Sam-I-Amthe prep/cleanup patch merged which is nice16:07
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navinrioYou you want me to do testing16:07
emaganaSam-I-Am: where we are on the versioning?16:07
navinrioof legacy DVR16:07
Sam-I-Amemagana: done16:07
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navinriostuff next gen DVR fixed16:07
Sam-I-Amnavinrio: yeah, any procedures/instructions need to be validated16:08
Sam-I-Amemagana: if you want to patch liberty now (which we have to do for the scenarios), you hit master then backport16:08
emaganaFor some reason i saw the sc68cal patch for versioning abandoned16:08
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Sam-I-Amemagana: it was an errant backport16:08
emaganaSam-I-Am: my bad!16:08
sc68cal^this16:08
emaganasc68cal: hi there!16:09
Sam-I-Amwhich turned out to be a front-port because it came before when we cut stable/liberty16:09
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Sam-I-Amso instead we just backported about a dozen patches to the already-cut stable/liberty16:09
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Sam-I-Amso we're good to go now... and the web site is rendering properly16:09
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Sam-I-Amonly issue is that the juno net guide points to kilo, but nothing we can (or should) do about that16:10
navinrioOk Thanks for adding my name to Legacy to DVR - TBD ( H )16:10
Sam-I-Amunless you want to backport things to a dead release16:10
emaganaSam-I-Am: excelent!  OK, time to look for the future  ;-)16:10
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emaganaOther important section is VPNaaS16:11
Sam-I-Amyeah16:11
Sam-I-Amwell, all the *aas16:11
emaganaI wil try to talk to Paul M. from Cisco16:11
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emaganaIndeed!16:12
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emaganaI will take LBaaS16:12
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Sam-I-Amit supposedly works multi-node now (mostly) so we need to test that... and then figure out how we document deployment16:12
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Sam-I-Amin other words, can we say "take scenario X, and do these things"16:12
Sam-I-Amor do we need a completely new scenario16:12
emaganaI go for the first option16:12
emaganacreating more scenarios feels like we will repeat a lot of conenct16:13
emaganacontent*16:13
Sam-I-Amthe question here is can vpnaas work between 2 routers in the same cloud, or does it require more than 1 cloud16:13
Sam-I-Amif its between two routers, we can probably augment an existing scenario16:13
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emaganaSam-I-Am: I haven't not use it.. let's find out sone neutrinos to give us advice16:13
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Sam-I-Amthe annoying thing about vpnaas is it replaces the l3 agent, so we'll have to replace the conventional l3 agent in the scenario we use16:14
Sam-I-Amrather than building up from scratch assuming the operator wants to deploy vpnaas16:14
emagana#action ask armax if vpnaas will work between 2 routers in the same cloud, or does it require more than 1 cloud16:14
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Sam-I-Ami can also find people to ask16:15
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Sam-I-Amits a simple question that lets us get started16:16
emaganaok16:16
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Sam-I-Amlbaas and fwaas also need some use cases16:17
emaganaSam-I-Am: you have this one merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267245/16:17
Sam-I-Amthey're a little less involved, imo16:17
emaganaI was wondering if we still need a spec for Mitaka changes?16:17
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Sam-I-Amemagana: yes, cleaned up a lot of stuff. changed legacy to classic.16:17
Sam-I-Amwe do need a spec for mitaka changes16:17
Sam-I-Ami wrote a BP yesterday16:17
Sam-I-Amof course we're still doing liberty work :/16:17
Sam-I-Ambut a lot of it will apply to mitaka too16:17
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Sam-I-Amlike separation of agent config into new files16:17
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emaganaplease, include the link for the BP16:18
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emaganaSam-I-Am: could you also include the work needed for mitaka in the etherpad to keep track of it16:18
Sam-I-Am#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/networkguide-mitaka16:18
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Sam-I-Amyeah, i'm going to write a spec for the basics... update scenarios, etc.16:19
emagana#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/networkguide-mitaka16:19
Sam-I-Ami hope we can get more done, but there's just not a lot of contributions16:19
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Sam-I-Ami can only work 24 hours a dat16:19
Sam-I-Amday16:19
emaganaSam-I-Am: Thanks for the assignation of that BP  :-)16:19
emaganaSo, the specs is needed then?16:20
emaganaI guess it is!16:20
Sam-I-Amwe need something to track updates for mitaka16:20
Sam-I-Amhowever thats going to work16:20
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emaganaok..16:20
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Sam-I-Amideally someday we'll have a lot of the static content done, and then our changes are like the install guide "whats changed in X?"16:20
Sam-I-Amthe install guide has a spec for each release16:20
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emaganasc68cal: anything that you want to cover?16:21
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navinrioFor Legacy DVR what shall be Contents16:22
navinriois how to do16:22
navinriois it how to configure Legacy DVR and USed case16:22
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emagananavinrio: I would suggest to follow the same format that we have for the other legacy scenarios16:22
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navinriosome inputs from team what are they looking to see in that Topic16:23
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navinrioI mean to say Legacy DVR16:23
Sam-I-Amnavinrio: you deploy conventional multi-node OVS with at least 2 net nodes and 2 compute nodes... deploy conventional routers on it with some VMs... then convert the deployment to DVR.16:23
sc68calemagana: sorry no16:23
Sam-I-Amnavinrio: and you document how you did all of it16:23
navinrioGot It16:23
navinriothank U16:23
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navinrioThank U16:24
navinrioAppreciated16:24
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Sam-I-Amnavinrio: you can extend the classic-with-ovs scenario with more nodes16:24
Sam-I-Amright now 3 nodes doesn't get you much with dvr16:24
Sam-I-Amso you need several more to see if dvr even works16:24
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navinrioOk16:24
Sam-I-Amcome to think of it, you can probably use the DVR scenario, just dont deploy DVR on it16:25
navinriowhen do u want to complete this16:25
Sam-I-Amsooner the better16:25
navinrioOk16:25
navinriogot it16:25
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navinriothank U16:25
navinriowill focus on it16:25
emagananavinrio: Thanks!16:25
emaganaPlease, include us in the review once you have initial pacthes.16:25
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navinrioUnderstood will do16:26
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emagananavinrio: even if the patch is not ready, we could start providing guidence before you have spent a lot of time is probably wrong direction16:26
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navinrioOk16:26
navinrioso shall send email16:26
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navinrioto you and touch base offline16:26
emagananavinrio: as long as you include us in the gerrit review, you will get the emails16:27
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navinrioOk16:27
navinrioGot it16:27
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emaganawe are having this meeting next week, in order to adjust to the calendar changes for the new year.16:28
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emaganaIs there something else to discuss today?16:28
Sam-I-Amemagana: is that the conclusion on the calendar problem?16:28
navinrioI am fine and thank You for providing me inputs16:28
Sam-I-Amall of my meetings were messed up the last 2 weeks16:28
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emaganaSam-I-Am: not sure what else we can do!16:29
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Sam-I-Amyep, just want to make sure i'm not crazy16:30
Sam-I-Amwell i am, just not crazy in that instance16:30
Sam-I-Amyou have to be crazy to openstack16:30
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emaganaLOL16:30
emaganaSam-I-Am: indeed.. take a break..16:31
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Sam-I-Amthen things dont get done16:31
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emagana#action emagana will send a reminder for next week meeting16:31
Sam-I-Amanyway, i think we're good here16:31
emaganaSam-I-Am: we have a lot of work..16:31
Sam-I-Amexpect to see some liberty-mitaka scenario updates from me soon16:31
Sam-I-Amemagana: i'm also working on ovn docs16:32
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emaganaSam-I-Am: Thanks.. you and sc68cal are the masters!16:32
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emaganaok.. take care!16:32
emaganaciao all16:32
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sc68calya16:32
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sc68calmore Sam-I-Am then me16:32
sc68cal*than16:32
navinrioThank You .. Bye everyone16:32
Sam-I-Amlol, see y'all later16:32
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emagana#endmeeting16:33
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dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:01
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openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 14 19:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:01
dtroyerAnyone here for an OSC meeting?19:01
rtheiso/19:01
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dtroyercourtesy ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, MeganR19:01
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stevemaro/19:02
stevemaryou got me in the middle of a nasty rebase of a backport :)19:02
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dtroyerHi everyone, long time no me-here-on-time19:02
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MeganRHappy 2016!19:02
dtroyerwoot!  even years rock!19:03
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dstaneko/19:03
stevemar\o/19:03
dtroyerok, lets get started19:03
dtroyerI have one thing not os the usual short list19:03
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dtroyer#topic CLI deploy guide updates19:04
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dtroyerannegentle asked me about our plans to update the user docs re CLI to use OSc rather than the project clients19:04
dtroyerwe really haven't talked about that before now, so this is a good time to start19:04
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stevemardtroyer: like porting over all the first time setup commands to use osc?19:05
dtroyersome of the updates will be simple (install OSC)19:05
dtroyerand some will be what stevemar just mentioned19:05
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dtroyerstep one is to ask if there is anyone interested in taking on that work19:06
stevemarso if the user guide says "cinder create" we can replace it with "openstack volume create" ?19:06
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dtroyerstevemar: that is my assumption, yes19:06
stevemarthats a bold move19:06
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dtroyerit is, but it seems that there may be acceptance for it at least in some corners19:07
dtroyerwe may do it on  a per-project basis as projects sign on, say as they deprecate their project CLI19:07
dtroyerI think we need someone to first do a look-over and see just how much work this really is though19:08
stevemarthat leads to another point... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243348/ cross-project initiative to do just that19:08
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dtroyeryes…I hadn't looked at that in a week or two, it's getting supprot now, good19:09
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stevemardtroyer: not entirely19:09
stevemartheres some push back from cinder still19:10
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stevemarwhich is unfortunate, since i think that's the next closest project19:10
dtroyerat a glance (heh) though it seems addressable, not digging-in-heels pushback19:10
stevemari get the feeling they think things are half-baked19:10
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dtroyervolume v2 is still young and there may be details missing yet.  but actually doing the deprecation isn't the same as stating a goal19:11
dtroyerwell, more than goal but not quite picy19:11
dtroyerpolicy19:11
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stevemari suppose19:13
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dtroyerso back to the docs, I'll post a note to the ML looking for volunteers19:14
stevemar++19:15
stevemari would love to help, but i don't scale :(19:15
dtroyerre changing the project CLI commands, we probably need to let proejcts take that lead19:15
* dtroyer wants a stevemar.clone() method19:15
rtheiswould this be an all or nothing approach to updating user docs for a project?  That is, move all "cinder" to "openstack" so there isn't a mix of the two.19:16
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stevemarrtheis: i think an all or nothing approach is good for docs19:16
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dtroyerrtheis: I suspect one a project is OK with the change, they'll want to do it all19:16
stevemarit'll also show us where we are lacking19:16
dtroyerI'm more confident the docs folks will want that19:16
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rtheisstevemar: exactly19:17
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stevemarwe should try and fill in those cinder *blocking* points - eh eh ?19:17
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dtroyerthat looks like a fun list to do proper commands for ;)19:18
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stevemarall the commands walter lists in that review19:18
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dtroyerthe comment about making everything a plugin was interesting too…they already are, just a few are included in the box19:20
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dtroyerI'd like to shift gears just a bit19:21
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dtroyer#topic release planning19:21
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dtroyerThinking about the next release, now that SDK is a dependency we have to consider releasing with it still pre-1.019:21
dtroyermaybe that isn't a concern, but I'm not sure I know enough right now to decide that19:22
stevemardtroyer: worth it to get networking commands19:22
stevemarif sdk folks change things up on us, we work closely enough with them to get things fixed quickly19:22
dtroyerterrylhowe: I saw briancurtin mention one more major change before 1.0, do you have any idea how much impact that will have on what we have implemented so far?19:23
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dtroyerstevemar: right, I just want to be care about how tightly we need to keep the two tied together19:23
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dtroyerthe remainig pre-1.0 work may be a don't care for OSc, in which case my worries go away19:24
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terrylhoweI think he was talking about generating urls for resources that have a key in them, it is internal19:24
rtheisI don't think the remaining sdk work for 1.0 should impact osc's usage.  But showing osc network quotas is broken until we get and sdk release19:24
terrylhowestuff like metadata19:24
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dtroyerok, cool.  I haven't kept as up-to-date on that as I'd like19:24
dtroyerthanks19:24
dtroyerso the next question is picking a point where the new bits are sufficiently coherent to do a release.  Just making sure we don't put something half-baked out19:25
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dtroyeragain, that may be a moot concern on my part19:26
stevemarnew bits meaning osc bits or sdk bits?19:26
dtroyerosc19:27
dtroyerthe network stuff specifically19:27
terrylhoweI doubt there will be many changes to the existing network stuff19:27
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terrylhowewe’ve had a lot of time to beat on that19:27
dtroyerbut are there things in the pipeline right now that someone wants included sooner than later?19:27
rtheishttps://launchpad.net/bugs/1528249 is the only break in network that I am aware of19:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1528249 in python-openstackclient "Failed to show network quotas for a project" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis)19:27
dtroyerI'm just looking for a list of "when x,y,z are done we can release" if it exists19:28
stevemaroh gotcha19:28
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dtroyerthings like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84782/19:29
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stevemarlets get the port CRUD in19:30
stevemarand the subnet CRUD19:30
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rtheishere's start of port CRUD: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260568/19:30
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terrylhoweI need to rework the subnet tests to the new pattern, it is time consuming and all I do is shovel snow lately19:31
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stevemarlol19:31
dtroyerthat's where all of our snow went19:31
stevemarterrylhowe: get a snow blower19:31
terrylhowesnow blower broke :-/19:31
stevemaroh jeez19:32
dtroyeralternative, get a 15 year old19:32
terrylhoweanyway, personal problems, I’ll get to it.  I started last weekend and didn’t finish.19:32
dtroyerok, I'll keep an eye out for those two topics for priority19:33
stevemardtroyer: i think just the networky bits are high priority for the next release19:33
stevemareverything else can wait19:33
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dtroyeras a side note, we need to start encouraging the inclusion of release note info for user-visible stuff19:33
stevemarfwiw, theres a new keystoneclient and keystoneauth, i cut them yesterday19:33
dtroyerstevemar: right19:33
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dtroyeris that the ksa that has the py35 fix in it?19:34
stevemardtroyer: i did them for a few patches19:34
stevemardtroyer: i wasn't aware of a py35 problem19:34
dtroyerthere is a one-liner that ksa needed, I think it was fixed in Dec19:34
dtroyeroh, wait, it's already released19:34
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dtroyerthat was the only thing I needed to run OSC on py3519:35
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dtroyer#agreed network API subnet and port CRUD are the blockers for next release19:35
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dtroyer#topic  open reviews19:36
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stevemardtroyer: thanks for confirming i haven't gone insane yet19:36
dtroyerare there any other reviews anyone wants to bring attention to?19:36
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dtroyerstevemar: I wouldn't trust that I could confirm that ;)19:36
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stevemardtroyer: nothing else from my end re: osc19:38
rtheisJust a follow-up from last meeting before new year. I reworked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257543/ when folks have time to take a look.19:38
stevemari'm swamped with keystoney bits19:39
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stevemarrtheis: terrylhowe lhcheng_ this is an open invitation to ping me for reviews19:39
stevemari haven't checked my OSC review queue in a while, but if you need a quick look, please ping me19:40
terrylhoweI’ve got nothing at the moment19:40
rtheisstevemar: ok, thanks19:40
stevemardtroyer: you can wait -_-19:40
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dtroyerrtheis: added to today's short list19:40
rtheisthanks19:40
dtroyerok, next...19:41
dtroyer#topic open bugs19:41
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dtroyerI intend to look at the bug list this afternoon during some waiting-room time19:42
dtroyerare there any we should discuss now though?19:42
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stevemarhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1531574 is worth a look19:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531574 in python-openstackclient "liberty: two json/yaml formatters for list/show command if cliff 1.15.0 (and cliff-tablib) is installed" [Undecided,New]19:42
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dtroyeryeah, I thought cliff-tablib was on the don't-do-that list19:43
stevemarit is19:43
stevemarbut "what if it's already installed on my system"19:44
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stevemari've had 2 issues with this now19:44
dtroyerdo we need to do anything since this is a stable release issue?19:44
dtroyerso maybe we do19:44
* stevemar shrugs19:44
dtroyerlow priority though19:44
stevemari told them both to remove cliff-tablib19:44
stevemarand the problem magically goes away19:44
dtroyermaybe just a release note if/when we do another stable?19:45
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stevemarthat could work19:45
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dtroyeris this actually just a cliff issue?  If so, putting in a check there magically fixes everything using it19:46
stevemari dont think so, its the fact that they share the same entrypoint/namespace thingy19:46
dtroyerwell, having a known good workaround is enough for now19:47
dtroyerah, I wondered if that might play into it, ok19:47
stevemaroh, in other news, my osc-command-checker should be a voting job in our gate19:47
dhellmannwe could update stevedore to have a feature to ignore entry points from a given python dist or something, but that would be a lot more work than telling folks not to install the extra package19:47
dtroyerdhellmann: thanks, I think I agree19:48
dhellmannyou know, we could release a new cliff-tablib that doesn't have the conflicting plugins, too19:48
stevemardhellmann: i was thinking that too19:48
stevemardhellmann: but it doesn't pass build atm19:48
stevemardhellmann: unless you want to nuke it19:48
dtroyerwold that give the false impression that it really shouldn't be used?19:49
dtroyeruh, parse error in that question...19:49
dhellmannI haven't looked at the code in a while, I'll see if I can figure out why it's failing builds19:49
dhellmannstevemar : which plugins? just table?19:49
dhellmanner, I mean json?19:50
dhellmannah, json and yaml19:50
dhellmannok19:50
dtroyerdhellmann: don't make it too high a priority, I think removing it is fine19:50
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dhellmannk19:50
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dtroyerother bugs?19:51
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stevemaryeah, json and yaml, but without those, is cliff-tablib particularly useful?19:51
dhellmannno, not really19:52
dhellmannthere's the HTML formatter, but I have  no idea if anyone uses that19:52
stevemaryeah19:52
* stevemar shrugs19:52
stevemarstepping aside for a bit19:52
stevemarnothing else to mention, thanks for hosting again dtroyer19:53
dtroyerthanks stevemar, later19:53
dtroyerok…19:53
dtroyer#topic open discussion19:53
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dtroyerdoes anyone have anything else to bring up?19:53
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rtheisis there a guide on how to write a release note?19:54
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dtroyerthere is…19:55
* dtroyer looks through notes19:55
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dtroyerhere is what Keystone has in their docs: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/developing.html#release-notes19:56
rtheisdtroyer: thank you19:56
dtroyerthe project team docs are at: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html#managing-release-notes19:57
dtroyerand dhellmann's announcement is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html19:57
dtroyerthat should cover most of it19:57
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dtroyertime is almost done, if nothing else I'll close19:58
terrylhowenothing here19:58
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MeganRI'm good, thank you19:59
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dtroyerok, thanks everyone!19:59
dtroyer#endmeeting19:59
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