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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 29 08:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: hi | 08:02 |
| lennyb_ | anteaya: how are you today? | 08:03 |
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| anteaya | I am well, thanks lennyb_ | 08:04 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:04 |
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| lennyb_ | it's too early to say yet :). | 08:04 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 08:04 |
| anteaya | how early is it for you? | 08:05 |
| lennyb_ | 10am | 08:05 |
| anteaya | well that isn't too bad | 08:05 |
| lennyb_ | how late it's for you? | 08:05 |
| anteaya | 3am | 08:05 |
| anteaya | anything you want to discuss today? | 08:06 |
| lennyb_ | in that case I have nothing to discuss today.... ;) | 08:06 |
| anteaya | well I'm up | 08:06 |
| anteaya | it doesn't matter the time | 08:06 |
| anteaya | if you have something you do want to discuss :) | 08:07 |
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| lennyb_ | not really. | 08:07 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:07 |
| anteaya | I don't have anything right now either | 08:07 |
| anteaya | last week was a slow week with the holidays and all | 08:08 |
| lennyb_ | yeah | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | I'll wait another few minutes in case anyone else arrives | 08:08 |
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| lennyb_ | ok | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: well still just you and I | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | I think I will close the meeting | 08:13 |
| anteaya | thanks for showing up this morning lennyb_ | 08:14 |
| anteaya | have a good day | 08:14 |
| anteaya | and see you next week | 08:14 |
| lennyb_ | u too | 08:14 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 29 08:14:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-29-08.01.html | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-29-08.01.txt | 08:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-29-08.01.log.html | 08:14 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 29 13:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Liuqing | hi | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hello | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hi, Liuqing | 13:00 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | pls check agenda and see if you have things to add | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:01 |
| zhangguoqing | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, zhangguoqing | 13:02 |
| Qiming | let's get started | 13:02 |
| Qiming | #topic mitaka work items | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | heat resource type support | 13:02 |
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| elynn | Hi Qiming | 13:03 |
| Qiming | seems blocked by action progress check | 13:03 |
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| elynn | yes | 13:03 |
| Qiming | let's postpone that discussion | 13:03 |
| elynn | still don't know how to deal with it. | 13:03 |
| Qiming | it is item 2 on the agenda | 13:03 |
| Qiming | client unit test | 13:03 |
| Qiming | need to do a coverage test to find out where we are | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | unittest part 3 merged? | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | no I think | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | poor network, can't open review page | 13:04 |
| Qiming | any blockers? | 13:04 |
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| Liuqing | gerrit's problem, so slow.. | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | just haven't got enough review it I think | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | not just gerrit problem, looks more like a problem caused by gfw | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | oh, sorry | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | it has been merged | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/258416 | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | my fault | 13:07 |
| Qiming | great | 13:07 |
| Qiming | still need to unify the client calls | 13:07 |
| Qiming | especially cluster action and node action ones | 13:07 |
| Qiming | health policy | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | xinhui and I spent a whole afternoon together yesterday, we have a draft work plan for implementing the health manager and health policy | 13:09 |
| Qiming | the first step would be about improve profiles so that do_check and do_recover are supported | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:09 |
| Qiming | then these operations will be exposed from engine and rpc | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | which operations? | 13:10 |
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| yanyanhu | do_check and do_recover? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | as actions can be triggered by enduser? | 13:10 |
| Qiming | the health manager can poll cluster nodes in the background then invoke the do_recover() operation on a cluster if node anomalies are detected | 13:10 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, not yet | 13:10 |
| Qiming | first step is to make them an internal RPC | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | ah, I see | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | make them availabe for internal request | 13:11 |
| Qiming | when we feel confident/comfortable, we can expose them as REST APIs | 13:11 |
| Qiming | there are some details we need to deal with | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | but I think xinhui is on the righ track now | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | about health manager polling status and doing recovery action, it sounds good | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:12 |
| Qiming | we have to do that | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | or else the auto-scaling scenario won't be reliable | 13:12 |
| Qiming | and we want that feature enabled without bothering users to do any complex config | 13:13 |
| Qiming | there could be many knobs exposed for customization, but the first step would be about the basics | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | could the health policy cover the user case : instance HA? | 13:14 |
| Qiming | Liuqing, yes | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | great | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, totally make sense | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | cool | 13:14 |
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| zhangguoqing | great | 13:14 |
| Qiming | by design, a profile (say nova server) will have a do_recover(**options) operation | 13:14 |
| Qiming | the base profile will implement this as a create-after-delete logic | 13:15 |
| Liuqing | what does the logic mean ? | 13:15 |
| Qiming | a specific profile will be able to override this behavior, it can do a probably better job in recovering a node | 13:16 |
| Qiming | Liuqing, the default logic (implemented in base profile class) will be: delete the node, then recreate it | 13:16 |
| Liuqing | Qiming: got it , thanks | 13:17 |
| Qiming | that is the most generic solution, applicable to all profile types | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | a nova server profile will have more choices: reboot, rebuild, evacuate, ... recreate | 13:17 |
| Qiming | these options can be exposed through a health policy | 13:18 |
| Qiming | users can customize it as they see appropriate | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | question? | 13:18 |
| Qiming | update operation for profile types | 13:19 |
| Liuqing | so for me i could customize it for instance HA or others, right? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | yes, Liuqing, absolutely | 13:19 |
| Liuqing | :-) | 13:19 |
| Qiming | however, we will also want to add some fencing mechanisms in future | 13:20 |
| Qiming | without fencing, recoverying won't be a complete solution | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | yes | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | now we use pacemaker for instance HA | 13:20 |
| Qiming | let's do it step by step | 13:20 |
| Qiming | use pacemaker is ... a choice out of no choice, I believe | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | instance HA is very important for enterprice production | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | yes, Qiming | 13:21 |
| Qiming | yes, totally agreed | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | the customer will always ask the HA prroblems.... | 13:22 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, any progress on update operation for profile types? | 13:22 |
| Qiming | Liuqing, they are not yet ready for real clouds | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | I'm working on add function calls about server metadata | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | three new methods will be added to sdk | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | hope can finish it in the coming week | 13:22 |
| Qiming | most of the time, they use their private cloud as an advanced virtualization platform | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | and also the metadata update for nova server profile | 13:23 |
| Qiming | great, yanyanhu | 13:23 |
| Qiming | maybe we should add update support for heat stacks? | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, sure. I plan to do some investigation after nova server related work is done | 13:23 |
| Qiming | the interface is much easier when compared to nova server case | 13:23 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think so :) | 13:24 |
| Qiming | Receiver | 13:24 |
| Qiming | We are done with it? | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | I pushed quite a few patches last weekend to close the loop | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | I think so | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | just need some tests | 13:24 |
| Qiming | a simple test shows it is now working | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks for your hard work :) | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | great, will try to add functional test for it | 13:25 |
| Qiming | hoho, added | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:25 |
| Qiming | btw, our API doc is up to date: https://review.openstack.org/261627 | 13:26 |
| Qiming | already merged | 13:26 |
| Qiming | lock breaker | 13:27 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/262151 | 13:27 |
| elynn | I submit a patch to reenable it | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | yes, reviewed | 13:27 |
| elynn | Not sure it's the right way or not | 13:27 |
| Qiming | I disagree with the logic | 13:27 |
| Qiming | posted comment | 13:27 |
| elynn | Just saw your comment | 13:27 |
| Qiming | it took me 20 minutes or so to post the comment, frustrating ... network really bad today | 13:28 |
| elynn | You intend to move it after retries? | 13:28 |
| Qiming | elynn, please consider moving the check out of the critical path | 13:28 |
| Qiming | by 'critical path', I mean the retry logic | 13:28 |
| Qiming | retry could be very common if you are locking a cluster | 13:28 |
| elynn | so we do it outside lock_acquire? | 13:29 |
| Qiming | maybe we should even relax the number of retries before doing a engine-death check | 13:29 |
| Qiming | or ... | 13:30 |
| Qiming | we should move this lock breakers to engine start up | 13:30 |
| elynn | engine-death check will be very quick if enigne is alive | 13:30 |
| Qiming | but when we have multiple engines, doing lock checks during startup is not anything good | 13:30 |
| Qiming | elynn, no, engine could be very busy | 13:30 |
| elynn | only took some time if engine is dead. | 13:31 |
| Qiming | I have encountered several times when I was fixing the concurrency problem | 13:31 |
| Qiming | many times the warning of engine dead, but the engine is still running | 13:31 |
| Qiming | and .... putting it before the retry logic has led to quite some mistakes | 13:32 |
| elynn | ok... I got your point... | 13:32 |
| elynn | Maybe we should add a taskrunner first | 13:32 |
| elynn | Like what heat do | 13:33 |
| Qiming | adding task runner won't help, AFAICT | 13:33 |
| Qiming | it will introduce more concurrency problems | 13:33 |
| Qiming | elynn, pls continue digging | 13:34 |
| Qiming | haiwei is not online I guess | 13:34 |
| elynn | Yes, I will | 13:34 |
| Qiming | let's skip the last itme | 13:34 |
| Qiming | item | 13:34 |
| Qiming | #topic checking progress of async operations/actions | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | this is blocking heat resource type work | 13:35 |
| elynn | yes | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | just saw ethan's patch in sdk side | 13:35 |
| Qiming | because .... it is really a tricky thing to do | 13:35 |
| elynn | need to figure out a way to receive correct action id | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we have done our best to align our APIs to the guidelines from api-wg | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | you got to understand the principles behind, before start this work | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | in senlin, we are having most of create, update and delete operations return a 202 | 13:36 |
| elynn | I think we are following the guidelines | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | and we are returning a 'location' in the header | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | most of the time, the location points you to an action | 13:37 |
| Qiming | since we have action apis, we are not hiding this from users | 13:37 |
| elynn | yes, most of the time except for cluster update... | 13:38 |
| Qiming | one thing we still need to improve is about the body returned | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | for DELETE requests, we cannot return a byte in the body as HTTP protocol says | 13:38 |
| Qiming | for UPDATE, we are returning the object in the body | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | for delete request, I think check until notfound exception happens is ok | 13:39 |
| elynn | for cluster deletion, I can catch not_found in heat resource. | 13:39 |
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| elynn | The problem is UPDATE/RESIZE | 13:40 |
| Qiming | we are also returning the pointer to the object in header | 13:40 |
| Qiming | update and resize are different | 13:40 |
| elynn | for RESIZE, we have a body contain action. | 13:40 |
| Qiming | UPDATE is itself a PATCH request | 13:40 |
| Qiming | RESIZE is an action | 13:40 |
| Qiming | these two operations are following different rules | 13:40 |
| elynn | How to check if a UPDATE is finished? | 13:40 |
| Qiming | it depends on what you are updating, elynn | 13:41 |
| Qiming | if you are updating the name of a cluster | 13:41 |
| Qiming | you should just check the body | 13:41 |
| elynn | I mean profile? | 13:41 |
| Qiming | if you are updating a cluster's profile, ... you will need to check the profile | 13:41 |
| Qiming | sorry, you will need to check the action | 13:41 |
| elynn | yes, I think so | 13:42 |
| Qiming | if we are not returning action in header, that is a bug to fix | 13:42 |
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| elynn | Do we? | 13:42 |
| Qiming | you can check the api code, cannot remember | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | Yes, we have. Just didn't find a way to expose it in client | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | okay, then, next step is to have the 'location' header used from sdk/client side | 13:43 |
| elynn | yanyanhu: that would be the problem to solve. | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | if we are checking the header from senlinclient, we are requiring the whole SDK to return a tuple to us | 13:44 |
| xuhaiwei | the client side can get the action id, can it be used? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | or embed the header into the object | 13:44 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, you are a ghost | 13:44 |
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| elynn | My patch is to embed the header into object. | 13:44 |
| xuhaiwei | sorry, didn't say hello just now | 13:44 |
| Qiming | neither of the solutions above sounds elegant | 13:45 |
| xuhaiwei | I am in vocation from today | 13:45 |
| Qiming | since we are suggested to use the function call interface from SDK, instead of the resource interface | 13:45 |
| Qiming | I'm thinking maybe we should do somework in the _proxy methods | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | once the response is returned to senlinclient, we get no chance to check the header | 13:46 |
| elynn | Qiming: You mean directly return response body? | 13:46 |
| xuhaiwei | Qiming, you mean put the api response information into sdk? | 13:46 |
| Qiming | the _proxy commands should know what they are doing | 13:47 |
| Qiming | say cluster_create(**params) | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | when calling this method, we are expecting a 'location' header from the response | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | we can either squeeze it into the json before returning to senlinclient | 13:48 |
| Qiming | or we can do a wait-for-complete inside sdk | 13:48 |
| Qiming | I'm opt to the 2nd approach | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | since some other wait-for-something-to-complete logic is already in sdk | 13:49 |
| elynn | I'm not very sure how to implement your #2 option | 13:49 |
| elynn | I will have a try. | 13:49 |
| Qiming | then we can add a keyword argument 'wait=True' to the cluster_create(**params) | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | I also think the option2 is better | 13:50 |
| Qiming | if 'wait' is specified to be true, then we check the action repeatedly in the cluster_create method | 13:50 |
| elynn | The self._create() returns a resource object, it doesn't contain any headers. | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | elynn, you have already added 'location' to the resource.headers | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | we can check it there | 13:51 |
| elynn | hmm...I just don't know how to use headers :P | 13:52 |
| elynn | I will have a try. | 13:52 |
| Qiming | 'headers' was designed to be part of a request | 13:52 |
| Qiming | now you are using it in response | 13:52 |
| Qiming | that is not good | 13:52 |
| Qiming | next time you send a request, you may have to clean it | 13:52 |
| Qiming | maybe add a response_header property is a cleaner fix | 13:53 |
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| elynn | I put it in response just to find a way to expose it... | 13:53 |
| Qiming | then we discuss with brian and terry, see if it is an acceptable 'hack' | 13:54 |
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| elynn | Or we don't have the way to set the location to headers. | 13:54 |
| Qiming | if it is not acceptable, we have to do it in a different way | 13:54 |
| elynn | Ok | 13:54 |
| Qiming | e.g. make 'action' a field of the object returned to senlinclient, parse it and do the wait there | 13:54 |
| elynn | If we add a wait function. | 13:54 |
| elynn | heat codes might be block by this wait function | 13:55 |
| elynn | I'm not sure if it's good way to go | 13:55 |
| Qiming | if you want to wait, you will have to wait | 13:55 |
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| elynn | For now heat using its taskrunner to schedule tasks | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | that is stupid | 13:56 |
| Qiming | to be honest | 13:56 |
| Qiming | there are proposals to remove them all | 13:56 |
| elynn | wait function might blocks its taskrunner... | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | are we risking blocking their engine? | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | taskrunner is so cheap | 13:58 |
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| elynn | Yes, that might be | 13:58 |
| elynn | if we don't yeild from wait | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | okay, let's spend some time reading some more resource type implementations | 13:59 |
| Qiming | I don't see a way out | 13:59 |
| Qiming | sorry guys, no time for open discussions today | 14:00 |
| Qiming | let's continue on #senlin | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 29 14:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-29-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-29-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-29-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | heyhey | 19:01 |
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| Clint | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | where's the infra team? | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | hopefully at least some of us are still a few eggnogs shy of passing out | 19:01 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 19:02 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | okay, we've got at least a few around. let's get started | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 29 19:02:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| * nibalizer drinks 'monster zero ultra' | 19:02 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | nibalizer: i've not heard of that style of eggnog yet | 19:03 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | hehe | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| zaro | seattle is eggnog crazy! | 19:03 |
| zaro | can't seem to find any at starbucks | 19:03 |
| fungi | nobody has brought anything importantly announce-worthy to my attention since last week, but i've also not been around much. anything i'm forgetting/overlooking? | 19:03 |
| bkero | zaro: make some :) | 19:04 |
| zaro | bkero: i'm not a fan | 19:04 |
| fungi | so aside from bkero's homemade eggnog, no announcements this week | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-22-19.03.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | fungi remove standing Priority Effort meeting agenda item for "Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade" | 19:05 |
| fungi | that's done. we won't be covering it this week | 19:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | is this thing on? =) | 19:05 |
| fungi | except insofar as i just did ;) | 19:05 |
| fungi | AJaeger move gerrit-2.11 spec to the implemented list | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | done | 19:05 |
| fungi | that's done now too. i approved it earlier today | 19:05 |
| fungi | thanks AJaeger! | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
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| fungi | PROPOSED: "Consolidation of docs jobs" | 19:06 |
| AJaeger | #link https://review.openstack.org/246550 | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/246550 | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:07 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa829690> | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | sorry, fungi | 19:07 |
| fungi | np | 19:07 |
| fungi | i have the power of #undo at my fingertips | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 19:07 |
| fungi | so because people aren't probably around much this week, i'm thinking of setting voting for this to expire a week from thursday | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | I'd like some feedback on the general direction of this and whether to do this for both check/gate and post. | 19:08 |
| fungi | my calendar says that's january 7 | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | yep | 19:08 |
| fungi | AJaeger: so you feel it's in sufficient condition to at least go up for a vote for approval at this stage? | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: Nice spec! | 19:09 |
| fungi | or are you trying to refine it still? | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | I've already voted so probably repeating myself, but I'm still liking the approach | 19:09 |
| AJaeger | fungi: I hope it's good - but there's still the question whether it's worth doing it ;) | 19:09 |
| fungi | that sounds like you're ready to put it up for a vote to me | 19:09 |
| AJaeger | And it's easy to do for post jobs but harder to do right for check/gate, so those are two questions I'd like you to look at when reviewing | 19:10 |
| fungi | #info Council voting is open on the "Consolidation of docs jobs" spec until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, January 7, 2016. | 19:10 |
| fungi | i need to get myself used to typing "2016" now | 19:10 |
| fungi | thanks AJaeger! | 19:11 |
| fungi | i don't see any priority efforts items up for discussion, so will move right along to the one meeting topic on the agenda | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic How to setup translations? (AJaeger) | 19:12 |
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| pleia2 | AJaeger is a popular guy this meeting (as it should be) | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-December/003610.html | 19:13 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/262073 | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: so I didn't get a chance to reply to the thread, so hi! have we had recent discussion with the horizon folks about any of this? | 19:13 |
| fungi | was also in the agenda | 19:13 |
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| AJaeger | The email ^ explains the problems I have | 19:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | this was probably brought up with some help from my side | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | I think part a is pretty easy and your suggestion seems fine, but b is much harder | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | (c is fine too) | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: no discussions with any of the projects at large - but I had discussions with each individual when the last 5 or so translation setups merged, a week ago with dougwig and dhellmann about some networking repo | 19:14 |
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| AJaeger | we can do these three parts independent | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | I think mostly I lack history as to why dashboard things are such a mess | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | maybe "because django" | 19:15 |
| AJaeger | but I wanted to bring up the challenges I have - when I see a new translation setup coming in... | 19:15 |
| anteaya | that an dashboards don't scale | 19:15 |
| anteaya | and* | 19:15 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: don't scale? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | I think drop django.pot and use modulename.pot and modulenamejs.pot | 19:15 |
| anteaya | you only have so much screen real estate | 19:15 |
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| fungi | django having its own translation management implementation was the only explanation i was aware of | 19:16 |
| clarkb | then its not django specific and non django web thi gs can use the same setup | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: ah, this is mostly about where the translations land | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | s/translations/translations files | 19:16 |
| anteaya | pleia2: ah sorry | 19:16 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: would be my preference as well, we need to figure out whether it's hardcoded by django or just configured this way by us | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: maybe that's something we can approach the horizon team about? | 19:17 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: yes, we should | 19:17 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb's suggestion would be my preference as well if it's possible | 19:18 |
| AJaeger | My main question here is: Do you agree with the approach in general and how to move forward? | 19:18 |
| fungi | of course, any ways to make this more consistent across projects is preferable, if some of the current inconsistency is merely something we're inflicting on ourselves unknowingly | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | strong yes from me, having been in the trenches with this inconsistency, it's a serious time sink | 19:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | one interesting thing is that horizon doesn't use extract messages, but rather switched to babel for that. part of the reason I'm aware of is that they needed it for angular/js things to work correctly. | 19:19 |
| clarkb | yes I think better standards here will simplify the scripts and jobs | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | fungi: Some of the existing inconsistencies are historic relicts. | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | We used $repo/locale/$repo.pot - and this worked fine for the main projects | 19:19 |
| fungi | AJaeger: great, so baggage we can stop carrying now that it's ceased to be necessary? | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | But then oslo.log got renamed to oslo_log and python-novaclient wanted translations as well and now our scripts didn't work... | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | fungi: It's not baggage, we've allways done it this way and never adopted | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | but if we do make changes now, we might need to update a majority of the translated repos... | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | Which seems easier to me than to explain twice a week why our scripts enforce some locations... | 19:21 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:21 | |
| clarkb | well I think we still need to enforce consistency | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | the move to zanata was good - now everybody wants translations ;) | 19:22 |
| clarkb | but it can be more sensible consistency | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: Agreed | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | it was sensible when there was only cinder, nova, swift translated | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | but we're beyond that | 19:23 |
| AJaeger | So, what's the next step? Refining the document to a spec, asking horizon folks especially for feedback? | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | Is this a cross-project spec or an infra one? | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | I think it's an infra one | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | we'll need to include i18n, but same was for zanata | 19:24 |
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| pleia2 | and translations check site | 19:24 |
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| AJaeger | anybody wants to work with me on the spec - and implementation? | 19:25 |
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| pleia2 | you're welcome to grab me for reviews and testing | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | Thanks, will do, pleia2 ! | 19:26 |
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| AJaeger | Anything else to discuss on this? Otherwise I suggest to conclude and ask fungi to give me an action to write a spec | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | seems like we're all on the same page, thanks AJaeger :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | yeah, seems like a reasonable way forward | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #action AJaeger propose a spec to consolidate translation setup | 19:28 |
| fungi | does that capture the next step accurately? | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | it does for me | 19:28 |
| fungi | great! | 19:29 |
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| fungi | nobody had anything else on the agenda, so... | 19:29 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:29 |
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| zaro | when's the next rename? | 19:30 |
| zaro | project rename | 19:30 |
| anteaya | do we need one? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | gerrit admins can go to https://review.openstack.org/monitoring and expand the other charts link to see how much time gerrit is spending GCing | 19:30 |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: ceilometer-specs to openstack/telemetry-specs | 19:30 |
| clarkb | if you look at it now you can see the dramatic difference between normal and slow | 19:30 |
| anteaya | :( | 19:30 |
| anteaya | can we call finished on renameing things for these folks? | 19:31 |
| anteaya | once this is done | 19:31 |
| zaro | i see 2 items in upcoming project renames. | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | zaro: one is the patch to governance | 19:31 |
| anteaya | so two patches, one rename | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: thanks | 19:32 |
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| zaro | so i have a few patches up for gerrit-tuning. was wondering whether we should do that now or wait another week to see whether gerrit slows down for forced restart? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ou can also see how that maps to used memory, cpu use, active threads etc | 19:33 |
| zaro | or wait until rename time. | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | what seems to happen is we run low on memory, this forces all threads to contend for memory which makes the garbage collector run more frequeny | 19:33 |
| clarkb | *frequently | 19:33 |
| anteaya | zaro: oh I'm all for discussing gerrit tuning separate from renames | 19:33 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: there is a graph for perm gen too | 19:33 |
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| anteaya | zaro: I don't see them as related at all | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: i unsee it? where shhould I be clicking | 19:34 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: what part do you unsee? | 19:34 |
| zaro | clarkb: we merged a few patches increasing threads, wondering whether it's too much? | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | i see 'used memory' | 19:34 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: there is used memory, used non heap, and loaded classes | 19:34 |
| clarkb | perm gen is laoded classes aiui | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | oh other charts | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, i've been avoiding bringing up project rename scheduling for the past few meetings because we had the gerrit upgrade maintenance to prepare for, and then went straight into a couple of weeks where people weren't going to be around | 19:36 |
| fungi | so figured i'd put it on next week's agenda | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: I don't think renames will ever end, there will always be one offs here and there, retirement of stackforge only gets rid of the quarterly ones | 19:37 |
| crinkle | can we schedule a paste/wiki/nodepool downtime for the puppet-mysql upgrade? | 19:37 |
| anteaya | pleia2: yeah, just needed to sigh a bit I guess | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | crinkle: I think that's a good idea | 19:38 |
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| fungi | now that i'm back from my travels, i want to work on switching paste.o.o back to trove too | 19:39 |
| fungi | we'll see if i'm allowed time tonight/tomorrow to do it | 19:39 |
| zaro | clarkb: should we not change gerrit for a little while to see if it's stable? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | zaro we already bumped memory | 19:40 |
| clarkb | note nodepool testing is broken by oscc | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I wrote a fix which hasnt merged I dont think | 19:40 |
| crinkle | bifrost is also broken by occ | 19:41 |
| zaro | clarkb: yeah, so should we keep it unchanged for the next few weeks to see if thing are better? | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | crinkle same issue about region invalid? | 19:41 |
| zaro | clarkb: or should we continue to apply other tuning? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | zaro I think we should prep more tuning but apply slowly to observe results | 19:42 |
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| crinkle | clarkb: no it's something about unable to auth, sorry i assumed it was the same | 19:42 |
| crinkle | will look into it more this afternoon | 19:42 |
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| AJaeger | Btw. small kind of announcement: bandit, system-config, and project-config now use the linters target that we discussed a few days ago on #openstack-infra, patch for keystone is proposed | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: nice work on those | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | crinkle ok, if you pass along error I cansee if it is familiar | 19:44 |
| crinkle | clarkb: will do | 19:45 |
| zaro | i think review-dev.o.o needs more disk space. anybody willing to help with that? | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | fungi: I think we are ready to stand up openstackid-dev.o.o under trusty. Then we can use that to debug any failures | 19:46 |
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| pabelanger | only issue I found was php5 related and will upload a new patch later today | 19:46 |
| fungi | pabelanger: okay, so it installs successfully now? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | zaro it may just need an apt cache vleanup | 19:46 |
| fungi | pabelanger: ahh, yeah, once you have that patch | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | zaro: only 64% full, 10/24G free | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi we run autoremove and autoclean for that? | 19:47 |
| fungi | pabelanger: my problem was that last time i tried it wouldn't puppet sufficiently to bootstrap the server | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: yeah, 1.8G in /var/cache/apt | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | fungi: Ya, looks to be successful, but more eyes on the prize helps. Plus, having dev environment up and running allows for more people to debug | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | fungi: only issue I had was php5 mcrypt | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | but can try again | 19:48 |
| fungi | clarkb: zaro: yeah, for some reason i thought someone (yolanda?) had proposed a config change to unattended-upgrades to do that automatically | 19:48 |
| zaro | actually looks like there's lots of new space in /opt that can be utilized | 19:49 |
| fungi | clarkb: zaro: sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get clean | 19:49 |
| clarkb | fungi yolanda did but made it co figurable for hosts that dont want autoupdates | 19:49 |
| clarkb | I asked that hosts that dont want autoupdate not use the autoupdate module | 19:49 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: also make sure puppet isn't erroring when being applied to a new vm. if you're testing by reapplying to an already running vm you can miss races pretty easily | 19:50 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: Right | 19:50 |
| fungi | our launch script aborts if puppet can run through to completion in one shot | 19:51 |
| fungi | er, can't | 19:51 |
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| zaro | clarkb: should we schedule a gerrit restart for the purpose of apply tuning now? | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | only otherthing I had was the nodepool gate failures for unit test. clarkb mentioned we need new releases I believe (os-client-config)? | 19:52 |
| clarkb | pabelanger correct but fix needs merging first | 19:52 |
| clarkb | zaro if gerrit gets slow again we can probably just do it as emergency restart | 19:53 |
| zaro | yeah, ok. | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: need release with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260704/ looks like it did get merged | 19:56 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: thanks, was trying to find the review | 19:59 |
| fungi | we're out of time | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks all! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 29 20:00:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-29-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-29-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-29-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
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| fungi | also as i recall, no tc meeting today | 20:13 |
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