| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 00:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | Who is here today? | 00:02 |
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| masahito | sorry, late. | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: hi | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Anyone see this now? | 00:08 |
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| masahito_ | The connection for the freenode isn't good. | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs1 | test | 00:13 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs1: hi | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs1 | ramineni: hi | 00:14 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito: you there? | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs1 | #chair thinrichs1 | 00:15 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs1: i'm here | 00:15 |
| thinrichs1 | another test | 00:15 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito_: I don't see you. Did you get this? | 00:16 |
| masahito_ | thinrichs1: yes | 00:17 |
| ekcs | masahito_: do you see thinrichs1 second message saying he doesn’t see you? | 00:17 |
| masahito_ | ekcs: I saw both message | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | all: something seems wrong with IRC today. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | I can't see masahito_ messages but he can see mine. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | So if someone else could resend his messages so I can see them that'd be helpful. | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs1 | Sorry for the late start everyone. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs1 | Here's my agenda for today | 00:18 |
| thinrichs1 | 1. distributed arch | 00:18 |
| thinrichs1 | 2. python3 | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs1 | 3. bryan_att and install issues | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | 3. mid-cycle meeting | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | 5. misc | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | Anything else? | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | Let me know as we go then. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic distributed arch | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | pballand: Want to give a status update? | 00:20 |
| thinrichs1 | Am I disconnected again? | 00:22 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: no :) | 00:22 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs1: we can see the messages | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: phew! | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's come back to this topic then. | 00:22 |
| masahito | thinrichs1: me too. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic python3 | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: status update? | 00:23 |
| ramineni | ekcs , also doesnt seem to be there in room? | 00:23 |
| ekcs | I’m here. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs1 | Yeah—he seems to have dropped out too. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs1 | Maybe it's worth canceling this week and going over stuff via email. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | ugh. I can see your messages | 00:24 |
| ekcs | but you can’t seem to see mine. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: while you're here, want to give an update on the tempest tests (and devstack)? | 00:25 |
| egon | I can see the messages from ekcs | 00:25 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: sure | 00:25 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: almost got the tempest tests running on major components :) | 00:25 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: the problem seems to be we are not waiting until data gets converged , exiting before only , so they are failing intermittently | 00:26 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: Nice! | 00:26 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: but we might need to make changes if tempest does any changes wrt to client | 00:26 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: I thought there was code in place to wait until convergence | 00:26 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: but the tests were definitely flakey | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs1 | ramineni: were there some places where we were waiting correctly, and there were just places we missed? | 00:27 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: yes, it was there , but we are handling exception in between , so exiting instead of calling again | 00:27 |
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| ramineni | thinrichs:yes | 00:28 |
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| pballand | ping? | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | pong | 00:35 |
| ramineni | pballand: thinrichs1:hi | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | Should we try this again? | 00:35 |
| pballand | hmm - maybe things are back? | 00:35 |
| masahito | hi | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | Seems okay | 00:35 |
| ramineni | ya | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's give it a try. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:36 |
| openstack | thinrichs1: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | hello | 00:36 |
| thinrichs1 | Seems like it's remembering that the meeting is still going. | 00:36 |
| pballand | haha - going to be an interesting meeting log | 00:36 |
| thinrichs1 | pballand: :) | 00:36 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's see how much we can get done in 25 min | 00:36 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic distributed arch | 00:37 |
| thinrichs1 | pballand: status update? | 00:37 |
| pballand | sure - pushed the bare version of the dsenode - and tweaked for some minor pep errors | 00:37 |
| pballand | now working on the feature-rich version, since it seems masahito and ekcs have leads on the fake driver | 00:37 |
| pballand | once pep8 passes, I think the commit can/should go in as we discussed last week | 00:39 |
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| pballand | and other future feature commits can sit in code review pending oslo messaging changes, or we can push them as well, depending | 00:39 |
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| pballand | that’s it for me | 00:39 |
| thinrichs1 | Sounds good. Thanks. Looking forward to getting that into the tree. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs, masahito: quick update on how you plan to fix the fake driver? | 00:40 |
| masahito | I found the cause of the oslo bug, so I'm writing the patch now and can push it in this week. | 00:40 |
| pballand | masahito: you rock! | 00:41 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito: great! | 00:41 |
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| masahito | and I noticed that when we use fake driver we need little tweaks in our test. but it's not a lot :) | 00:41 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito: I'm looking forward to the details. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | moving on… | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic python3 | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: I saw you've made good progress. Want to report? | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | Patches were merged. Py34 should be passing. I think we should turn on py34 voting asap to prevent regression. | 00:42 |
| ekcs | I'm also happy to help if anyone runs into issues passing py34 on their patches. | 00:42 |
| ekcs | Next step: start using congress on python3. We'll probably encounter a few bugs over time. | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs1 | ekcs: fantastic! That one has been on our list a looong time. Glad to have it done. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs1 | I'll try to submit a patch to make it voting. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs1 | Everyone else: until that merges, make sure python34 tests pass. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs1 | #action thinrichs will make python34 job voting | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs1 | #topic mid-cycle meeting | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs1 | We finalized dates. Here's the email. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs1 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081606.html | 00:44 |
| thinrichs1 | Jan 26-28 in the Bay Area | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | You can see a tentative agenda in there too. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | Please respond with comments/questions. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | On the mailing list. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic Tempest tests | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: status update on the tempest tests? | 00:45 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: enabled most of them , i think murano one is pending | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs1 | Is it safe to start asking people to write new tempest tests again? | 00:46 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: we might need to make changes over time , if tempest changes , as they are in huge migration process | 00:46 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: yes , that would be good | 00:47 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: good to know. So maybe only add tests that we think are pretty important, until they get their migration done | 00:47 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: I will keep an eye on tempest tests | 00:47 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: yes | 00:47 |
| thinrichs1 | They're gating again, so we'll all keep an eye on them. :) Thanks for volunteering | 00:48 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: you're definitely our tempest expert at this point | 00:48 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: :) | 00:48 |
| thinrichs1 | bryan_att: are you there? | 00:48 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic Installation | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs1 | bryan_att posted to the openstack mailing list about his experiences getting Congress installed on a non-devstack openstack installation | 00:49 |
| thinrichs1 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2015-December/014760.html | 00:49 |
| thinrichs1 | He had some suggestions for us and I promised him time in the meeting. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs1 | But it seems he might not be around | 00:49 |
| thinrichs1 | We can try again next week. | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs1 | #topic Project navigator | 00:50 |
| thinrichs1 | Just this week Congress was added to the OpenStack project navigator | 00:50 |
| thinrichs1 | #link 1.https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/liberty/components/congress | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs1 | Here's the navigator link (the one above is just for Congress) | 00:51 |
| thinrichs1 | https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator | 00:51 |
| thinrichs1 | Here's another way to look at it. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs1 | #link https://www.openstack.org/software/ | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs1 | One of the things we're not doing that many other projects are doing is including our APIs in the OpenStack documentation repo… | 00:52 |
| thinrichs1 | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 00:52 |
| thinrichs1 | To include our APIs in that documentation, we need to encode them in XML and contribute them to the appropriate repo. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs1 | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-site/ | 00:53 |
| thinrichs1 | The rest of our docs are hosted on readthedocs... | 00:53 |
| thinrichs1 | https://congress.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 00:54 |
| thinrichs1 | That includes our API. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs1 | So one thing we'll need to decide is whether we want to move our API to the openstack XML repo or not. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs1 | I'd say we want it in 1 place (not 2), which means either we cut it out of the RST format it's currently in and rewrite it in XML, or leave everything as is. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs1 | That's the last thing for me. So in the last 5 minutes, we'll open it for discussion (and feel free to chime in about the docs). | 00:55 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic open discussion | 00:55 |
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| masahito | Do we need have api reference in api-site as OpenStack official project? | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs1 | masahito: no formal requirement that I know of. | 00:56 |
| masahito | If so, IMO we should move the RST doc to XML. | 00:57 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: but many other projects do use rst right as of now? | 00:57 |
| masahito | If not so, I prefer RST | 00:57 |
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| masahito | I've written some reference for api-sit, but the structure of the XML is worse to maintain. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: most of the others use XML, though I think that's b/c the documentation team wrote theirs | 00:57 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: does it affect this “indicator”? “Is there an install guide for this project guide (at docs.openstack.org)?” on #link https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/liberty/components/congress | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | murano (another new project) is using rst as well, though whether they plan to use xml in the future I don't know. | 00:58 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: ok | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: I think we should add an install guide, independent of the API. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: since the install guide does seem to be visible to our maturity | 00:59 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: got it. | 00:59 |
| thinrichs1 | I don't know what they're going to do in the long-run. | 00:59 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: i have one last thing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250598/ | 00:59 |
| thinrichs1 | I'd rather not port to XML, but if that's what everyone will do in the long run, we probably should. | 01:00 |
| ramineni | thinrichs1: we can discuss in channel , as time is up | 01:00 |
| thinrichs1 | ramineni: sounds good. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! Sorry about the accelerated meeting and all the hiccups at the start. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 01:00:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-10-00.00.html | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-10-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-10-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 09:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| gmann | hi, who's here today? | 09:00 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 09:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 09:01 |
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| dmellado | Hi gmann o/ | 09:01 |
| gmann | dmellado: hi | 09:01 |
| gmann | jlanoux: hi | 09:01 |
| jlanoux | hi gmann | 09:01 |
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| gmann | let's for min to join more people | 09:01 |
| dmellado | sure | 09:01 |
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| ylobankov | hi | 09:02 |
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| gmann | ylobankov: hi | 09:02 |
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| gmann | ok let's start | 09:02 |
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| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_10th_2015_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:02 |
| gmann | && Today meeting agenda | 09:02 |
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| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:03 | |
| gmann | we have most of spec under review | 09:03 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:03 |
| gmann | andrea updated tempest-resource spec, good to review that | 09:04 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ | 09:04 |
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| jordanP | gi | 09:04 |
| jordanP | hi | 09:04 |
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| gmann | jordanP: hi | 09:04 |
| dmellado | morning jordanP ;) | 09:04 |
| gmann | There are other 2 in list of agenda | 09:04 |
| gmann | # https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230183/ | 09:04 |
| gmann | I have not gone through it yet, but its under review | 09:05 |
| gmann | anyone has anything on this to discuss | 09:05 |
| gmann | anyways next one is list plugin one | 09:05 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247575/ | 09:06 |
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| dmellado | I haven't gone over there yet, but I'd like to somehow couple the config script inners with the bp-resources | 09:06 |
| gmann | this one was straight forward | 09:06 |
| dmellado | I'll update it when I've some time | 09:06 |
| gmann | dmellado: cool, Thanks | 09:06 |
| gmann | plugin list one is merged. | 09:06 |
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| jordanP | yep | 09:06 |
| gmann | I also found difficulty while debugging ironic plugin which was in progress | 09:07 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea it will be nice addition | 09:07 |
| gmann | anything on spec | 09:07 |
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| gmann | or any other spec anyone want to bring up for discussion | 09:07 |
| dwalleck | I have one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255023/ | 09:08 |
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| gmann | dwalleck: sure, please go ahead | 09:08 |
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| dwalleck | There's been a lot of discussion about how the remote client is tied to very generic Linux implementation. This spec allows for an extendable implementation | 09:08 |
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| dwalleck | I know there's some work around this in the resources spec, but I don't think it will go far enough to solve the problem. I put this up as another possibility to consider | 09:09 |
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| gmann | dwalleck: i see, so it will be having drives for each connectivity protocol ? | 09:09 |
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| jordanP | dwalleck, I like this spec. The current linux client and implementation is a bit all over the place, a refactor and architecture change would be good | 09:10 |
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| jordanP | with more consistency | 09:10 |
| dmellado | +also adding support for the dreaded windows | 09:10 |
| dmellado | xD | 09:10 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea looks like nice one | 09:10 |
| jordanP | but, are we *that* interested in testing something else than Linux ? | 09:10 |
| dwalleck | gmann: Right. A driver per protocol, and the remote client implementation picks the driver it needs | 09:10 |
| jordanP | I mean it's gonna be some work, you sure it's worth it ? | 09:10 |
| gmann | dwalleck: 1 question does this one contain how our tests goind to switch between those | 09:11 |
| dwalleck | The dreaded windows work is done :D If you check one of the bottom links, I link to an external implementation | 09:11 |
| gmann | dwalleck: ok, so remote client will pick up dynamically | 09:11 |
| dmellado | dwalleck: jordanP: also, will be the gates running anything else? otherwise this might end up being outdated in case it gets implemented | 09:11 |
| gmann | dmellado: nice point | 09:11 |
| dwalleck | gmann: My thought was to have it be a property in the resource file for the image | 09:11 |
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| gmann | dwalleck: i see. | 09:12 |
| gmann | dwalleck: Thanks | 09:12 |
| dwalleck | dmellado: We run a lot of Windows gates at Rackspace. But yes, testing of multiple drivers is one of the possible pain points | 09:12 |
| jordanP | well at least if it's unit tested, it's a good start | 09:12 |
| dwalleck | But I'd be more than glad to help with that. I also suggest making the remote client extensions plugins, which would put the maintenance back to the developer of the plugin | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | +1 from me, if we can couple it with unit tests | 09:13 |
| gmann | and if missing one can be added as we planed for resource things | 09:13 |
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| gmann | anyways its good one for review and lets start reviewing it and have comment/suggestion there | 09:13 |
| gmann | dwalleck: Thanks . | 09:14 |
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| gmann | let's move on | 09:14 |
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| dwalleck | thanks everyone :-) | 09:14 |
| dmellado | dwalleck: I'll take a look later and add comments, thanks ;) | 09:14 |
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| gmann | #topic Priority Items | 09:14 |
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| gmann | dmellado: Thanks, that will be nice | 09:14 |
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| gmann | so we have priority items decided in Summit with their targeted deadline | 09:15 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 09:15 |
| gmann | first one is Tempest Microversion support | 09:15 |
| gmann | this missed the M1 :( | 09:15 |
| gmann | but patches are in review and good to merge soon | 09:15 |
| gmann | lets discuss this later | 09:16 |
| gmann | Other service client migration we will talk later in agenda | 09:16 |
| gmann | jordanP: one is your | 09:17 |
| gmann | #link Tempest Lib Migrations | 09:17 |
| jordanP | yep | 09:17 |
| gmann | jordanP: do you have anything on this | 09:17 |
| jordanP | hummm now that andreaf and jlanoux have completed their work, I think I can start to thing about this migration | 09:17 |
| jordanP | *think | 09:18 |
| gmann | jordanP: cool | 09:18 |
| jordanP | other than that I don"t know, it shouldn't be too hard | 09:18 |
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| jlanoux | jordanP: It is not completed yet. For sure, one change needs to get in, perhaps another one. Then, I'll take care of compute and remote. | 09:18 |
| gmann | jlanoux: jordanP anything pending for ssh thing, need review etc | 09:18 |
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| gmann | jlanoux: you have link > | 09:18 |
| jlanoux | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253444/ | 09:19 |
| gmann | andreaf: hi :) | 09:19 |
| gmann | jlanoux: Thanks | 09:19 |
| gmann | i will have look tomorrow | 09:19 |
| jlanoux | And I don't know if I'll make the wrapper around compute and remote before the migration of after. | 09:19 |
| jlanoux | *or | 09:19 |
| jlanoux | gmann: thanks | 09:20 |
| gmann | jlanoux: its better to make it before migration | 09:20 |
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| jordanP | jlanoux, count me in to review your work | 09:20 |
| jlanoux | gmann: ok - I'll do that than | 09:20 |
| jlanoux | jordanP: thanks | 09:20 |
| jlanoux | *then | 09:20 |
| gmann | jlanoux: after migration we have to maintain all published interfaces with backward compatibility mode | 09:20 |
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| gmann | jordanP: great Thanks | 09:20 |
| jlanoux | gmann: ok | 09:20 |
| gmann | Next one is Tempest CLI Improvements | 09:21 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-cli-improvements,n,z | 09:21 |
| dwalleck | I'm about 2 hours from done with the "tempest run" spec | 09:21 |
| gmann | There are lot work going on | 09:21 |
| gmann | dwalleck: awesome. | 09:21 |
| gmann | masayukig: you there? | 09:22 |
| gmann | i think not :) | 09:22 |
| gmann | Let's move on | 09:22 |
| gmann | #topic Eslint-config-openstack review approval policy | 09:22 |
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| gmann | krotscheck : your turn | 09:23 |
| gmann | not sure about this one, anyone has any idea | 09:23 |
| dmellado | not really :\ | 09:23 |
| gmann | ok, let's move | 09:23 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:24 |
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| gmann | first one is Service client from oomichi | 09:24 |
| gmann | he updated the progress there | 09:24 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/consistent-service-method-names,n,z | 09:24 |
| gmann | review progress and work is going good | 09:24 |
| gmann | but still keep doing more and more reviews on those | 09:25 |
| andreaf | I'm trying to reviews as many as possible of those | 09:25 |
| gmann | another thing he mentioned is to update patches link on etherpad to track those correctly | 09:25 |
| dmellado | I'd appretiate some reviews, once we deal with what to do with javelin ;) | 09:25 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tempest-service-clients | 09:25 |
| gmann | andreaf: Thanks, it will make thing fast | 09:26 |
| gmann | dmellado: sure, we will discuss on that next | 09:26 |
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| gmann | any query on service client work | 09:26 |
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| gmann | one i have about volume client doc string update | 09:27 |
| gmann | as we have base client and v1 and v2 on separate classes/file | 09:27 |
| gmann | I think updating v2 doc path is nice as jordanP done in QOS client | 09:27 |
| jordanP | yeah v1 is already deprecated | 09:28 |
| jordanP | soon to be removed | 09:28 |
| gmann | because there might be question that those base client are for both | 09:28 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea that is my consideration | 09:28 |
| gmann | ok | 09:28 |
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| gmann | next is microversion testing support | 09:29 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support,n,z | 09:29 |
| gmann | as i mentioned it has missed the M1 :( but i think that will be ok | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: i updated devstack and Config patches as per discussion | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: please review those | 09:30 |
| andreaf | gmann: cool thanks, I will do after the meeting | 09:30 |
| gmann | andreaf: Thanks | 09:30 |
| gmann | also there are couple of patches there for schema conversioning etc | 09:30 |
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| gmann | and last one is to test Nova 2.2 version testing which can be checked to make sure all framework works fine | 09:31 |
| gmann | #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support,n,z | 09:31 |
| gmann | reviews from everyone are welcome and helpful | 09:31 |
| gmann | let's move on | 09:32 |
| gmann | next one is Javelin script testing | 09:32 |
| jordanP | what is javelin exactly ? :) | 09:32 |
| dmellado | jordanP: I didn't know that too | 09:33 |
| gmann | as we observed in keystone client separation work, this script was untested on gate | 09:33 |
| dmellado | and was asking sdague and checking | 09:33 |
| dmellado | and it seems that it was a script used in the beginning of grenade | 09:33 |
| dmellado | to create resources | 09:33 |
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| gmann | jordanP: dmellado that was actually for creating/deleting resources which was used for upgrade testing | 09:33 |
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| dmellado | and it isn't used anymore at all, in sdague's words -in grenade- | 09:33 |
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| gmann | dmellado: yes, it was removed from grenade | 09:34 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186559/ | 09:34 |
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| jordanP | EmilienM, ping | 09:34 |
| dmellado | so my point is: shouldn't we remove it as well from tempest if it's not going to be used? | 09:34 |
| jordanP | hum it's night time for him | 09:34 |
| gmann | I think this patch ^^ | 09:34 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea nice point | 09:34 |
| gmann | dmellado: i had same discussion with oomichi and he also feels to remove it | 09:35 |
| gmann | so if there is no more usage of this script then we can remove | 09:35 |
| dmellado | +1 from me | 09:35 |
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| gmann | otherwise we have to modify its unit tests to cover more at deep level | 09:35 |
| dmellado | I'll update the patch removing grenade+tests | 09:35 |
| dmellado | if that's ok for everyone | 09:36 |
| gmann | dmellado: you mean javelin script? | 09:36 |
| jordanP | don't remove grenade ! :) | 09:36 |
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| gmann | jordanP: heh :) | 09:36 |
| dmellado | gmann: yep, javelin script + test_javelin | 09:36 |
| gmann | dmellado: awesome, please add mtreinish and sdague as reviewer | 09:36 |
| gmann | if anything we are missing about that | 09:37 |
| dmellado | gmann: will do | 09:37 |
| andreaf | dmellado, gmann, jordanP: I think we may want to bring this to the ML first? | 09:37 |
| gmann | dmellado: cool | 09:37 |
| ylobankov | As far as I understood this script was used only for grenade. Now it is not used. So I think it is OK to remove the script. | 09:37 |
| jordanP | that is wise indeed | 09:37 |
| dmellado | andreaf: will do. | 09:37 |
| jordanP | we might have hidden users | 09:37 |
| gmann | #action dmellado to remove Javelin script and get feedback on review | 09:37 |
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| dmellado | I was speaking yesterday with sdague and he was ok, but I'll send a mail just in case | 09:37 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok that is also nice way before going ahead on gerrit | 09:37 |
| jordanP | yes | 09:37 |
| dmellado | could you review the current patch? we can always modify it later on | 09:37 |
| gmann | dmellado: thanks | 09:38 |
| gmann | #action dmellado to first send ML about removal of Javelin from tempest | 09:38 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea | 09:38 |
| gmann | jordanP: may be someone using it explicitly | 09:39 |
| gmann | ok next one | 09:39 |
| gmann | Neutron LBAAS Scenario Tests | 09:39 |
| gmann | dmellado: your turn please | 09:39 |
| dmellado | Basically I'm not sure about the current scope on this and wanted to have feedback. | 09:39 |
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| dmellado | IIUC, the scenario tests were *not* going to be pulled from main tempest | 09:40 |
| gmann | dmellado: actually they were removed from tempest | 09:40 |
| dmellado | what's the idea for the LBAAS, FWAAS and so on? | 09:40 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186559/ | 09:40 |
| dmellado | what's the status of the plugin interface for neutron? | 09:40 |
| dmellado | are they not being covered in tempest jobs now, but in neutron? | 09:40 |
| gmann | dmellado: i think your main concern is to run those along with tempest tests right? | 09:40 |
| dmellado | gmann: exactly | 09:41 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea so i will say they should have plugin there as you mentioned | 09:41 |
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| gmann | but not sure status of that | 09:41 |
| dmellado | gmann: but it's the plugin interface for neutron done yet? | 09:41 |
| dmellado | who was tackling that? | 09:41 |
| gmann | dmellado: I do not know exactly | 09:41 |
| dmellado | otherwise, it feels strange for me to remove then while the interface's not ready | 09:42 |
| dmellado | s/then/them | 09:42 |
| gmann | it was question from yfried also many times | 09:42 |
| gmann | dmellado: actually they removed to keep the ownership for those tests cases | 09:43 |
| gmann | which can always be run from their repo | 09:43 |
| gmann | but yea plugin support is always nice to make them run from single entity (Tempest) | 09:43 |
| dmellado | but wouldn't that 'split' tempest ownership? I'm well aware of 'tests to its plrojects' | 09:43 |
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| dmellado | but always thought that as scenario tests were using multiple ones they'd stay within Tempest | 09:44 |
| dmellado | it just feels strange to me, tbh | 09:44 |
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| dmellado | but I can check with dougw | 09:44 |
| dmellado | I've also a question, so from now any new LBAAS test should go there? and how about FWAAS or designate? | 09:45 |
| andreaf | dmellado: scenario tests for the core 6 services can be in tempest, as they are good integration tests and they run all the time | 09:45 |
| dmellado | andreaf: wouldn't lbaas be a part of neutron? or am I just missing something? | 09:46 |
| andreaf | dmellado: but lbaas and fwaas are kind of independent from neutron | 09:46 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea scenario tests can be added in tempest as per Big tent scope | 09:46 |
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| gmann | dmellado: andreaf yea, they have their own repo and tests ownership etc | 09:47 |
| andreaf | dmellado: it's kind of an extra feature, it's not something the other services would heavily rely on for the basic working | 09:47 |
| dmellado | gmann: andreaf thanks | 09:47 |
| gmann | dmellado: i remember removal things was for neutron advance services | 09:47 |
| gmann | only | 09:47 |
| dmellado | I assume that'll be the same for every neutron 'advance services' | 09:47 |
| andreaf | so I think it makes sense for those to run on fwaas / lbaas / neutron changes only | 09:47 |
| gmann | dmellado: we have all neutron tests | 09:47 |
| gmann | dmellado: exactly for all advance services | 09:48 |
| dmellado | I see, | 09:48 |
| dmellado | so andreaf how are the fwaas/lbaas triggered then on the neutron changes? | 09:48 |
| dmellado | do we have a triggered job for it? | 09:48 |
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| dmellado | or will they be relying on the so called pluggable interface, as Monasca and so on? | 09:48 |
| andreaf | dmellado: at the moment they have use pre/post run hooks to setup things and run those tests | 09:49 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: ack, thanks for all the clarifications | 09:49 |
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| andreaf | dmellado: using a plugin would be nicer, I agree, but it's not there yet | 09:49 |
| gmann | dmellado: but its not like they should not write plugin :) | 09:49 |
| andreaf | as the plugin is a stable interface to add things into tempest, other things may break over time | 09:50 |
| dmellado | andreaf: gmann thanks for the summary! | 09:50 |
| gmann | dmellado: how about writing for them | 09:50 |
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| gmann | andreaf: nice point | 09:50 |
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| dmellado | gmann: is there any patch that I could use as an example? If so I could tackle that | 09:50 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea, i have couple of from Congress(my teammate worked on those) | 09:51 |
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| gmann | dmellado: and help on Ironic one which is in progress | 09:51 |
| dmellado | then I'll ask you after the meeting ;) | 09:51 |
| gmann | dmellado: i will provide the link on qa channel after meeting | 09:51 |
| gmann | dmellado: sure, Thanks | 09:51 |
| andreaf | dmellado, gmann: well the idea of plugins is to scale better so project teams can maintain their tests - so if we start doing it it's kind of the opposite direction :D but sure you can do that talk to the fwaas team | 09:51 |
| dmellado | thanks gmann | 09:51 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea i just pointed on dmellado :) | 09:52 |
| dmellado | andreaf: I see :D | 09:52 |
| gmann | anyways lets move on | 09:52 |
| gmann | we will skip Devstack and grenade if nothing from anyone | 09:53 |
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| gmann | let's move on | 09:53 |
| gmann | #topic OpenStack Health | 09:53 |
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| gmann | andreaf: do you have anything on this | 09:53 |
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| andreaf | gmann: well the forth page is now up and running :) the DB migration from uuid to int keys complete | 09:54 |
| gmann | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ | 09:54 |
| gmann | andreaf: cool | 09:55 |
| andreaf | see for instance http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/test/tempest.api.identity.admin.v3.test_groups.GroupsV3TestJSON.test_group_update_with_few_fields | 09:55 |
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| gmann | nova is around 97% pass :) | 09:55 |
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| andreaf | we had for M1 to deliver group-by and filter-by capabilities, but that's still WIP | 09:56 |
| gmann | andreaf: any failure example, can we see log from there? | 09:56 |
| andreaf | group-by is likely to be the next main feature on the dashboard | 09:56 |
| andreaf | gmann: no, attachments are not available yet | 09:56 |
| gmann | andreaf: and what all category will be in group-by | 09:56 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok | 09:56 |
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| andreaf | gmann: run metadata keys, even though not all of them will be shown, it's going to be configurable which to display and which not | 09:57 |
| andreaf | gmann: metadata keys are basically ZULL_* parameters passed to jobs | 09:57 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok | 09:58 |
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| gmann | andreaf: 1 basic question, for how many days data it load by default | 09:59 |
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| andreaf | if you scroll to the bottom of http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-tempest-dsvm-full-test-accounts-master you can see for instance that object store tests are flacky with pre-prov creds | 09:59 |
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| andreaf | on the 3rd page (test details) it should be 1 day (because it's a lot of data), but if you select a periodic job it's more, 15days I think | 10:00 |
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| gmann | andreaf: where at bottom? | 10:00 |
| andreaf | because periodic tests are less frequent | 10:00 |
| andreaf | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-tempest-dsvm-full-test-accounts-master | 10:00 |
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| gmann | andreaf: yea because it took long time to load for me | 10:01 |
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| masayukig | sorry for late, it's almost end, though. | 10:01 |
| gmann | anyways we will check it | 10:01 |
| gmann | andreaf: Thanks a lot | 10:01 |
| gmann | masayukig: hi :) | 10:01 |
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| gmann | time up now | 10:01 |
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| andreaf | gmann: you can also search the test name by ObjectACL | 10:01 |
| gmann | #topic critical reviews | 10:02 |
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| gmann | andreaf: i see | 10:02 |
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| gmann | and i will check and ping you if any question | 10:02 |
| gmann | any reviews from anyone? | 10:02 |
| gmann | ok Let's end the meeting | 10:02 |
| gmann | Thanks All | 10:02 |
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| masayukig | thanks :) | 10:02 |
| dmellado | thanks! ;) | 10:02 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 10:03:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-10-09.00.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-10-09.00.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-10-09.00.log.html | 10:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 14:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
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| raildo | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
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| claudiub | o/ | 14:01 |
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| takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jroll | \o | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | welcome all | 14:01 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:01 |
| jichen | p/ | 14:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release Status | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Jan 21: Nova non-priority feature freeze | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Thursday December 17th: non-priority feature review bash day | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Jan 19-21: mitaka-2 | 14:01 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:01 |
| ndipanov | 'sup | 14:01 |
| scottda | hi | 14:01 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Blueprint and Spec Freeze was last week | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so lots of dates there, just to share them | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin__ | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so just a think about the freeze | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have been through all the exception requests, and commented on the specs | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I need to loop back on some that made revisions | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | one spec-less one I wanted to raise | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/osprofiler-support-in-nova | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now there is some new code up to add osprofiler into nova | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | its no where near as invasive as it was last time we saw that code | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am tempted to approve that, let me know if thats crazy | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | Any more on process or release status | 14:04 |
| mriedem | haven't looked at the osprofiler changes | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: how is v3.0 of python-novaclient heading? | 14:04 |
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| danpb | i think it is pretty clear that osprofiler is going to be the standard mechanism for openstack projects | 14:04 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i think we're waiting on a keystoneauth change from mordred | 14:04 |
| danpb | so even if there are problems with it, i feel the best thing is to take it and work on improving osprofiler where needed | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245200/ | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: ack, didn't see an update last time | 14:05 |
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| danpb | as we don't want nova to be the odd one out with profiling - we've already seen people propose other nova specific solutions for profiling such as the spec to hijack notifications as the mechanism | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, we pushed back last time because there was a huge heap of profiler code in Nova, that looks to have been fixed, seems OK now | 14:05 |
| mriedem | this is the code btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254703/ | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | it's mostly middleware and config options | 14:06 |
| danpb | i've not looked in detail, but on the surface the propsoed code is pretty reasonable imho and similar to what i would have proposed for my own profiling attempts | 14:06 |
| bauzas | if that's an optional middleware, that seems good to me | 14:07 |
| alaski | if it's basically out of the way when off it seems reasonable to get it in and try it | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its actually better than that, but agreed | 14:07 |
| bauzas | from a design PoV, should I say | 14:07 |
| danpb | alaski: IIUC, it is a no-op unless it is enabled for an API call | 14:07 |
| mriedem | sounds like we're ok with specless bp approval | 14:07 |
| * alex_xu waves hands late | 14:08 | |
| alaski | danpb: that's my understanding as well, but I haven't looked closely yet | 14:08 |
| danpb | works for me, | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: agreed | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, lets move on | 14:08 |
| danpb | IMHO there's no sense in a nova spec, as that'd just split the discussion from the cross project spec | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | reviewing the code is welcome | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: +1 totally why I am pushing for specless | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | as per the newly approved pattern from the summit discussions on cross project stuff | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more on freeze stuff | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | just a claficiation | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | API bugs that need specs, are still allowed | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats proper bugs, not add 17 new API calls kinds of bugs | 14:09 |
| andrearosa | i have a question about the non priority freeze | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: sure | 14:09 |
| andrearosa | considering the ZXmas time can we extend | 14:10 |
| andrearosa | the deadline | 14:10 |
| andrearosa | maybe for 2 more weeks? | 14:10 |
| andrearosa | not it is Jan 21: Nova non-priority feature freeze | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: its already extended for christmas by mitaka-2 being further away | 14:10 |
| bauzas | andrearosa: honestly, it was communicated since the beginning | 14:10 |
| ndipanov | bauzas, so what? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | yeah i don't want to extend, | 14:10 |
| andrearosa | ok | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i feel like we spent most of m-1 on spec reviews | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | so? | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean if we hadn't already extended the release schedule an extra week for christmas, I would consider it | 14:11 |
| DinaBelova | johnthetubaguy, bauzas, mriedem, danpb - thank you guys for the approval of the bp | 14:11 |
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| ndipanov | we focus on specs so we should leave as little time as possible to write code | 14:11 |
| bauzas | looking at number of weeks per milestone | 14:11 |
| bauzas | m-2 is definitely the higher | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: we aimed to get specs merged before the summit, thats the aim, but it always spills over a little | 14:12 |
| bauzas | because it takes account of Xmas | 14:12 |
| mriedem | people can also write POC code while working on a spec | 14:12 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, lol | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | that's not what we tell them | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | anyway | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, to be clear, its our deadline, and its not aligned with the tagging | 14:12 |
| mriedem | it's not? | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | well we may say that | 14:12 |
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| ndipanov | but not what we encourage | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | i encourage it | 14:13 |
| raildo | "Thursday December 17th: non-priority feature review bash day" Will be a day, that we can ask for review on the non-priority feature? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | for the reason you're bringing up | 14:13 |
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| ndipanov | I'm in the minority here so I'll just step away | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | if anyone is discouraging writing POC code in parallel with a spec, i'd say they are wrong | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | but the reality is | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | we merged a ton of specs | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: well its a day I want everyone to folks on reviewing the low priority blueprints that have been up for review the longest | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | most of them won't make it | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | a lot will be close and people will get super frustrated | 14:13 |
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| ndipanov | come Nandos | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | we start over | 14:13 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: nice :) | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | makes no sense imho | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | we also have a gate on fire, | 14:14 |
| jroll | ndipanov: ahem, N is Nutella :P | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | and people need to work on those | 14:14 |
| bauzas | or Nachos | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, because we focus on the wrong things in the gate | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | let's move on | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | but that';s a whole other topic we won't agree on | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, we have 121 blueprints approved, I expect us to have bandwidth to merge 70 | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | ish | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | assuming we don't get loads more folks doing quality reviews | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | we won't | 14:15 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: maybe we can extend for another day, if it is not enough? :) | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | hence the spec deadline | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, this isn't a discussion that works well on IRC | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | final point is if you are curious why we do the process this way, its mostly documented in here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Process | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Regular Reminders | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, we have subteams with lots of code ready for core review | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so the gate | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253901/ | 14:18 |
| mriedem | multinode grenade fails >50% of the time | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | a bad gate is almost always the sign of unstable code, so it really matters to me fixing this | 14:18 |
| sdague | mriedem: actually, that's mostly a nicety | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is about pinning liberty? | 14:18 |
| sdague | upper-constraints comes from the requirements repo | 14:18 |
| mriedem | sdague: i see it's dropped off http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 14:18 |
| mriedem | sdague: oh right | 14:19 |
| mriedem | yeah so we're good now | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | as of last night | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, OK, so this is more defensive | 14:19 |
| mriedem | well, it's the g-r sync | 14:19 |
| mriedem | we blacklisted oslo.messaging 3.1.0 | 14:19 |
| sdague | oslo.messaging started having a much higher failure rate after service restart | 14:19 |
| bauzas | oh, so there was a workaround for the job ? | 14:19 |
| sdague | it's a 3.1.0 bug | 14:19 |
| bauzas | oh I see | 14:19 |
| bauzas | good to hear \o/ | 14:19 |
| mriedem | we still have a bunch of volume-related failures in the gate, at least one of which should be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254428/ | 14:20 |
| sdague | some default timeouts were changed in a way that service restarts would often fail to reconnect to rabbit | 14:20 |
| mriedem | or made less frequent by | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see !=3.1.0 | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, so that makes sense, ouch | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: any more bug related things you wanted to highlight today? | 14:20 |
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| markus_z | yepp | 14:21 |
| markus_z | #info: zero known criticals. High prio bugs which are not in progress are steady with 41 bugs | 14:21 |
| markus_z | I haven't yet found time to clean up the very old ones | 14:21 |
| markus_z | #info: latest bug stats at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081415.html | 14:21 |
| markus_z | The amount of bug reports is rising heavily since mitaka-1. We have 76 "new" bugs overall. | 14:21 |
| markus_z | 23 bugs out of the 76 are without any first bug triage and I'm out of bandwidth to do it. This will be a heavy load later when we want to be RC ready. | 14:21 |
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| markus_z | #help: anyone (or more) volunteering for a "bug skimming duty" for a week? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: btw, do we have people working the top couple of gate issues, or are there some specific ones folks need to jump on? | 14:21 |
| * markus_z drops mic | 14:21 | |
| markus_z | na, seriously, we need more people triaging | 14:22 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i have that patch up for the volumes one | 14:22 |
| doffm | markus_z: Sure. Some of the week count? :) | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | more help with bug triage would be a good thing! | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i think http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#1522488 was fixed by infra, the 2 nodes had the same hostname | 14:22 |
| mriedem | dansmith figured that out | 14:22 |
| markus_z | doffm: What do you mean? | 14:22 |
| doffm | markus_z: I mean I'm happy to help with triaging and bug skimming. | 14:23 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, I see there was some good discussion on that patch so will look at it now | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | ndipanov: yeah, alaski and i looked into the locking more yesterday | 14:23 |
| lxsli | markus_z: are there instructions? | 14:23 |
| markus_z | doffm: cool! the more the better. | 14:23 |
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| markus_z | lxsli: I tried to summarize it once but didn't get it merged in any of the manuals | 14:24 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh the fail rates are getting back under control - http://tinyurl.com/zbg788y | 14:24 |
| markus_z | lxsli: That's all I know: http://markuszoeller.github.io/posts/openstack-bugs/ | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: lets try get it into ours again | 14:24 |
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| lxsli | markus_z: thanks! | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so lets keep moving | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | something tells me I didn't clean these out, I could be wrong | 14:26 |
| mriedem | the uefi one still needs discussion i think | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | i see there was an exception request, and danpb is +2 | 14:26 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235983/ | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: OK | 14:26 |
| andrearosa | teh nova-manage is just a quick remainder I added it on purpose | 14:26 |
| markus_z | doffm: lxsli: ping me in #openstack-nova after the meeting if you have further questions | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i think i'm ok with this not having testing as long as there is a warning when it's used that it's experimental | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it currently says add a flag for this in tempest, which sounds wrong | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | that's wrong | 14:28 |
| bauzas | are we writing somewhere that an experimental feature means that we can remove it without a deprecation cycle ? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | that implies testing upstream, which we can't do until we have new enough libvirt | 14:28 |
| mriedem | bauzas: no | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so that was my feature classification thing | 14:28 |
| mriedem | oh | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: well its just not a flag in tempest right, its an image setting | 14:28 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'd feel that it would help people balance the benefits vs. the risks | 14:29 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: right, per my ML thread, you'd configure tempest with the uefi image id | 14:29 |
| mriedem | to enable that test | 14:29 |
| mriedem | but you need an env with libvirt 1.2.9 and the ovmf package | 14:29 |
| mriedem | which we don't have | 14:29 |
| rgerganov | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228778/ ? it pretty much a bugfix but I posted a spec because of the API change | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: bauzas: well the feature classification doesn't quite do that, just helps us audit what is untested, and think about removing some of it | 14:29 |
| mriedem | intel could provide 3rd party ci, but i'm not sure how much we care as long as there is a warning about it being untested and experimental | 14:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I certainly agree, I was just thinking of something more formal like what we say for our supported APIs | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | cells v1 is experimental but if we removed that w/o a deprecation cycle people's heads would explode | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, with a warning, it seems an edge case, thats thats OK | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I know, but that's just something we want to explain that it's risky | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: bauzas: yeah, I should clarify, any feature removal would need a deprecation cycle, I miss read that, I am thinking about deprecating stuff thats just not being maintained | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i think this is why we need to make the bar to inclusion high | 14:31 |
| bauzas | honestly, considering that cells v1 as possibly being removed without further notice doesn't really make me afraid :) | 14:31 |
| edleafe | bauzas: doesn't it mean "not guaranteed to work 100% of the time"? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | not the exit criteria, because just removing stuff pisses people off | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: right | 14:31 |
| mriedem | like zookeeper in nova | 14:31 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, it sounds people are not afraid by experimental things | 14:31 |
| mriedem | there are lots of untested things | 14:31 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the thrill of living on the edge! :) | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, there was a plan to deprecate that, its just not moving very quickly | 14:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: the tooz thing? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:32 |
| mriedem | anyway, just an example | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | a very valid one | 14:32 |
| bauzas | so I'm fine with adding some notion of bleeding edge, but that should be very explicit that it's not really fully covered, nor supported | 14:32 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: so for this uefi one, i just asked that the spec point out there will be a warning that it's untetsed | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we getting stuck here | 14:32 |
| mriedem | *untested | 14:32 |
| mriedem | then i'm +2 | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: fair to say that | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, I would be happy with that too | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't seem big enough to worry about any more than that | 14:33 |
| mriedem | agreed | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: you linked a bug fix that is a spec, thats not affected by the freeze | 14:33 |
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| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy, ah ok then | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | there way another one on the list right | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: the nova-manage volume thingy | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | I dop not want to discuss it here | 14:34 |
| andrearosa | sdague: started a ML thread to get more info | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | we didn't want an API for a DB hack, so we said nova-manage, but the current nova-manage command looks a bit like an API | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | or something like that | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | I tried to recap the long discussions we had | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | if ppl interested could follo-up the ML thread I think that will help in moving on | 14:35 |
| sdague | andrearosa: ... where is that recap? | 14:35 |
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| sdague | I don't see anything back on the mailing list | 14:35 |
| scottda | recap: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081119.html | 14:36 |
| DuncanT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081119.html | 14:36 |
| mriedem | the message got chopped a bit | 14:36 |
| sdague | hmm... and broke threading | 14:36 |
| andrearosa | scottda: thanks | 14:36 |
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| sdague | so I didn't see the response | 14:36 |
| mriedem | there he is | 14:36 |
| andrearosa | sdague: yes sorry I blame MS outlook | 14:36 |
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| andrearosa | as I said I do not want to discuss it here,the ML seems more appropriate | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | scottda: DuncanT: andrearosa: you might also be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254428/ | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | well are there any points people want to discuss here | 14:38 |
| * sdague takes todo to go read the other part of the thread | 14:38 | |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 14:38 |
| andrearosa | sdague: thanks. | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | making the DELETE API just work for when its stuck in the deleteing state, seems to make sense to me | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not totally sure how we sort that, feels like the thing that failed should have moved the state from deleting back to attched | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but like you say, lets take that offline | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like: | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | * should the API just do the correct thing? | 14:39 |
| e0ne | does cinder can help with this? we're going to change API a bit to store connector_info in the DB | 14:40 |
| mriedem | thought you were taking it offline? :) | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | * do we need some other API or DB hack to fix up some other edge cases that are left? | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah | 14:40 |
| mriedem | we also discussed race related volume fails in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254428/ | 14:40 |
| mriedem | like moving volume create to api or conductor rather than compute | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 14:40 |
| mriedem | so we always have the volume_id before we build the instance | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: oh good point, also related to detaching a volume for a shelved instance | 14:40 |
| mriedem | e0ne: we also store the connection_info in the nova db | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have two things for open discussion | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the meetings on 24 December and 31st December | 14:41 |
| e0ne | mriedem: I didn't know it. need to do deeper into the code | 14:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking about cancelling those ones, or do people still want to do those? | 14:42 |
| markus_z | nope, I won't be here | 14:42 |
| mriedem | xmas eve and new years eve | 14:42 |
| sdague | cancel them | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, seems like prime skip candidates | 14:42 |
| mriedem | we should maybe force people to take those days off? | 14:42 |
| claudiub | maybe on some other earlier days? | 14:42 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: not a terrible idea | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, lets skip those meetings | 14:43 |
| dansmith | like make the -nova channel moderated? :) | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: heh | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | proxy all discussion through twitter | 14:43 |
| bauzas | kick ayone discussing by those days ? | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I don't think anyone jumped for joy, but does someone fancy the cross project CPL job? | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, offer is still out there | 14:44 |
| mriedem | so is that someone sitting in the cross project specs repo? | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, and attending the cross project meeting, should it happen | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not very europe timzone friendly though | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its open open stuff | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am guessing we are done | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not alaski or mriedem quick, but a touch early | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 14:46:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-10-14.00.html | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-10-14.00.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-10-14.00.log.html | 14:46 |
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| cdent | make the game go gordc and then it will be over | 15:00 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 15:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | hmm... maybe we can just give up right away \o/ | 15:02 |
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| pradk | o/ | 15:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
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| gordc | let's just assume this is good enough | 15:02 |
| ildikov | gordc: :) | 15:03 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:03 |
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| gordc | i have no updates. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | just review the specs currently up | 15:03 |
| gordc | cdent: re: wsme spec, i assume you won't actually be implementing that | 15:03 |
| gordc | given you're moving to nova | 15:03 |
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| cdent | I reckon that's a fair assessment | 15:04 |
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| cdent | because I'm a horrible person | 15:04 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. well i guess we can approve it if we get a resource somewhere. | 15:04 |
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| cdent | I think the grenade resource.sh one is more important | 15:05 |
| gordc | sileht: i took keystoneauth stuff off roadmap since you're already working on it (and merging it) | 15:05 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah... ... | 15:05 |
| cdent | as that allows testing upgrades and multi-node rolling upgrades | 15:05 |
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| sileht | gordc, that's was required to use gnocchiclient :p | 15:06 |
| gordc | cdent: what's the state of multi-node testing? | 15:06 |
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| cdent | it's operational but not fully stable yet | 15:06 |
| cdent | but is a very high priority for infra/qa/nova folk | 15:07 |
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| gordc | cdent: kk | 15:07 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah i was probably targetting the multi-node testing for n* | 15:08 |
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| gordc | but mainly because my mind goes numb testing | 15:08 |
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| cdent | that explains a lot about my brain | 15:08 |
| gordc | that's the drugs. | 15:09 |
| gordc | anyone else for mitaka bp? | 15:09 |
| * cdent channels eric stolz from pulp fiction | 15:09 | |
| gordc | anyone have extra resources they can bring in? | 15:10 |
| gordc | or should we just keep giving everything to sileht ? | 15:10 |
| cdent | sileht++ | 15:10 |
| gordc | awesome! | 15:10 |
| gordc | #topic aodh | 15:11 |
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| gordc | r-mibu: i saw your patches for tempest | 15:11 |
| sileht | no problem, but someone can give me a potion to not sleep ? | 15:11 |
| r-mibu | yep, tempest plugin is ready for review | 15:11 |
| gordc | sileht: those are fake. i think they make you go crazy. | 15:11 |
| gordc | r-mibu: awesome stuff. are we tracking anything else in aodh? | 15:12 |
| gordc | i might take a look at client later but only if we can't find resources | 15:12 |
| sileht | gordc, gnocchilient and keystoneauth1 too | 15:12 |
| gordc | sileht: ah right | 15:12 |
| sileht | same work as I have done in ceilometer | 15:12 |
| gordc | sileht: did you manage to get it working and happy with heat? | 15:12 |
| sileht | gordc, I have fixes the policy issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254078/ | 15:13 |
| sileht | gordc, but now heat fail into an other error | 15:13 |
| gordc | :( | 15:13 |
| gordc | i wonder why out integration gate with heat works but heats functional test with aodh don't? | 15:13 |
| sileht | me too :( | 15:14 |
| gordc | s/out/our/ | 15:14 |
| r-mibu | could you tell the job name for aodh? | 15:14 |
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| sileht | gordc, I will continue to investigate on heat issue | 15:14 |
| gordc | r-mibu: in heat? | 15:14 |
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| r-mibu | yes, in heat | 15:15 |
| gordc | r-mibu: it's something like CeilometerTest | 15:15 |
| gordc | i know it does't say Aodh | 15:15 |
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| gordc | r-mibu: i think it's this https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/864181e522efefd96f367e3174a2a0e74123532e/heat_integrationtests/scenario/test_ceilometer_alarm.py | 15:16 |
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| r-mibu | thanks! | 15:16 |
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| gordc | let's change to ceilometer i guess | 15:17 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer | 15:17 |
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| gordc | i think we have everything covered here? | 15:17 |
| gordc | except for polling | 15:18 |
| gordc | anyone have issues to bring up with ceilometer? | 15:18 |
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| gordc | let's assume no. | 15:19 |
| gordc | #topic gnocchi | 15:19 |
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| gordc | jd__: sileht:? | 15:19 |
| sileht | nothing fancy for me, just some bugfixe/doc | 15:20 |
| gordc | jd__: is the next item you're working on splitting timeseries files into smaller chunks? | 15:20 |
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| gordc | i assume yes. and that he is working on solving world peace | 15:22 |
| gordc | sileht: i think it'd be good if we start periodically running performance tests | 15:22 |
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| gordc | just to verify it... not sure if you have a test plan for that. | 15:22 |
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| gordc | i know we have a few benchmark methods. | 15:22 |
| sileht | We have a benchmark tools in the clients | 15:23 |
| sileht | it have some limitation if your hardware is too big, but work most of the time | 15:23 |
| gordc | sileht: cool cool. maybe once we have servers setup we can start doing that. | 15:23 |
| gordc | llu: any updates on the intel environment? | 15:24 |
| sileht | gordc, https://julien.danjou.info/blog/2015/gnocchi-benchmarks | 15:24 |
| gordc | sileht: yep. i think we should do that regularly (maybe after we merge a (few) feature)? | 15:25 |
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| sileht | gordc, I don't think still have the hardware where we did this but yeah that would be cool to recheck regulary | 15:26 |
| llu | gordc: sorry, not much. Stucked in the training for more time than I expected | 15:26 |
| llu | the machines in intel environment are all ready | 15:27 |
| gordc | sileht: i might be able to get hardware next year. i have hardware but i'm waiting on lab to be built. | 15:27 |
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| sileht | cool | 15:27 |
| gordc | llu: kk. so maybe we'll start next year? | 15:27 |
| llu | but the process of IT approving to give us access right out side US is lengthy | 15:27 |
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| gordc | cdent: embrace the enterprise. | 15:28 |
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| llu | the initial draft test plan is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/17zx7tcwhcW5gwa1gkmX3-GnPjjnUPbGFHec9x7u1gO8/edit | 15:28 |
| llu | welcome to review and give comment/suggestions | 15:28 |
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| gordc | llu: cool stuff. will review maybe tomorrow | 15:28 |
| llu | just FYI | 15:29 |
| llu | we have 2 more people from OSIC may help about this | 15:29 |
| gordc | osic? | 15:30 |
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| llu | openstack innovation center, intel/rackspace | 15:30 |
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| llu | stevelle from Racksapce(ansible core) is adding gnocchi support in ansible | 15:30 |
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| gordc | llu: oh there's a fancy name for intel/rax cluster. :) | 15:31 |
| llu | and sumant murke from Intel will working on gnocchi/ceilometer integration things | 15:31 |
| gordc | llu: that's awesome to hear. | 15:31 |
| llu | I believe sumant just published his first patch to gnocchi | 15:32 |
| gordc | look forward to the feedback so we can draft a good doc on how to configure | 15:32 |
| gordc | llu: that's really good to hear. | 15:33 |
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| gordc | any other items? | 15:33 |
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| cdent | related to gnocchi: people hear about influxdb's rebranding and new suite of tools? | 15:33 |
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| cdent | influxdata™ | 15:34 |
| cdent | and some monitoring toolset and graphing stuff to go before and after it | 15:34 |
| gordc | does it work? | 15:35 |
| cdent | based on the past, I'd guess no | 15:35 |
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| gordc | seems like they're going the elastic route. building the full stack. | 15:35 |
| cdent | they call it tick | 15:36 |
| cdent | and appear to be really running for the finance markets | 15:36 |
| cdent | new data storage model | 15:36 |
| cdent | too | 15:36 |
| gordc | but finance can afford splunk... | 15:36 |
| gordc | *shrugs* | 15:36 |
| cdent | just pointing it out, not recommending it or anything | 15:36 |
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| gordc | i think jd__ tried to do some influx work on gnocchi driver recently but ran into more issues | 15:37 |
| jd__ | cdent: didn't hear, but yeah whatever :) | 15:37 |
| gordc | jd__: sell gnocchi to finance | 15:37 |
| jd__ | haha | 15:37 |
| cdent | jd__: exactly | 15:37 |
| gordc | i'll email morgan stanley... ceo@morganstanley.com? that work? | 15:37 |
| gordc | jd__: i assume you still have issues with influx driver? | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | it seems to work but it does not pass the test suite anymore (3 tests fail) | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | it should be pretty easy to fix them I guess | 15:38 |
| jd__ | but when I tried, I got frustrated by InfluxDB giving me weird result to simple query | 15:39 |
| jd__ | and having the first examples in the doc being syntaxicaly invalid just made me giving up | 15:39 |
| gordc | jd__: kk. well if anyone is interested in that driver, those patches are open to look at it | 15:39 |
| jd__ | exactly | 15:39 |
| gordc | cool let's change | 15:40 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:40 |
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| gordc | oh. i guess we should talk about whether anyone will show up next week | 15:40 |
| gordc | do we want a meeting? | 15:40 |
| cdent | next week is pretty normal, it is the two weeks following that are not? | 15:41 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah, i'm around but not sure if anyone has holiday plans | 15:41 |
| gordc | right now it's still on. if i'm the only one there, y'all owe me drinks. | 15:42 |
| jd__ | i'm on | 15:42 |
| ildikov | me too :) | 15:42 |
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| gordc | cool cool. any last items? | 15:43 |
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| gordc | let's call it | 15:44 |
| gordc | thanks folks. | 15:44 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 15:44:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-10-15.01.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-10-15.01.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-10-15.01.log.html | 15:44 |
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| daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 18:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: container-networking)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | Agenda | 18:01 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda | 18:01 |
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| daneyon_ | I'll pause a minute for everyone to review the agenda | 18:01 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:01 |
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| dane | o/ | 18:02 |
| Tango | o/ | 18:02 |
| daneyon_ | Thank you hongbin Tango dane for attending the meeting. | 18:02 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Flannel host-gw patch | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 18:02 |
| daneyon_ | Tango I'll defer to you | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | Doesn't seem like much has happened with the patch | 18:03 |
| Tango | So I tried a few things | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | Can you share a few details? | 18:03 |
| Tango | The patch that Gus added didn't work | 18:03 |
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| Tango | I tried turning off port security to allow the node to route traffic | 18:04 |
| Tango | I can see that the packet does get rerouted correctly to the target host | 18:04 |
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| Tango | However once on the target host, the packet could not get to its destination | 18:05 |
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| Tango | I notice that the flannel0 TUN interface is not created in the host | 18:05 |
| Tango | I am not sure if this is how it should work, or it's an error | 18:06 |
| Tango | I sent email to Angus but have not heard back from him. | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | Tango have you tried pinging the flannel or coreos irc channel? | 18:06 |
| Tango | Tried a few times pinging on IRC, but the time difference is tricky | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | I have never tried the host-gw mode | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | but it should work since L2 is the only requirement. | 18:07 |
| Tango | I am thinking about trying to create the flannel0 interface manually, seems like we need this for the flanneld to pick up the packet | 18:07 |
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| Tango | Another thing to try is a later flannel version | 18:07 |
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| daneyon_ | I'll take a look through the flannel code too. If I see anything that pops out at me, I'll ping you on irc. | 18:08 |
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| Tango | I couldn't build with the package from kojipkg, but I can just overwrite the binary | 18:08 |
| daneyon_ | Thx for working on this. | 18:08 |
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| Tango | A little slow going, I haven't been able to put a lot of time on it. Too many other things going on. | 18:08 |
| daneyon_ | Tango, If I recall correctly, our flannel version is super old. I think it's a good idea to update flannel no matter what. | 18:09 |
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| daneyon_ | then at leat the vxlan bug will be fixed ;-) | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | until we can run flannel in a container | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | Understandable | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | I know the feeling | 18:09 |
| Tango | Yeah. I think I almost get the fedora image without atomic to work, so this would be easier | 18:09 |
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| daneyon_ | Agreed.. Atomic is a PITA ;-) | 18:10 |
| Tango | Yep :) | 18:10 |
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| daneyon_ | #topic Build Fedora Atomic with DIB | 18:10 |
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| dane | daneyon: What is the vxlan bug? | 18:10 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/fedora-atomic-image-build | 18:11 |
| daneyon_ | Yolanda added this topic to the agenda | 18:11 |
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| Tango | dane: the vxlan backend doesn't work on Flannel 0.5.0 | 18:11 |
| dane | Tango: Thanks! | 18:11 |
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| daneyon_ | yolanda are you in attendance? | 18:11 |
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| daneyon_ | Seems like Yolanda is not here. | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | I will ping her offline | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | Maybe we'll address this another time | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | Does anyone else know about this BP? | 18:13 |
| daneyon_ | It's been a while since I used diskimagebuilder, but i do remember it being somewhat painful. | 18:14 |
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| Tango | I only had a discussion with her when she kicked off the BP | 18:14 |
| daneyon_ | Anyone else familiar with DIB? | 18:14 |
| Tango | I have been using it | 18:14 |
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| Tango | to build fedora, ubunu images | 18:14 |
| Tango | we have a few elements to build ironic and mesos images | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | has is worked well for you? | 18:15 |
| daneyon_ | Tango | 18:15 |
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| Tango | It seems OK | 18:15 |
| Tango | Documentation can be a little sparse | 18:15 |
| hongbin | AFAIK, the ironic kubernetes image was built by Dib | 18:16 |
| hongbin | It is a standard fedora image, not atomic | 18:16 |
| hongbin | with several elements added to it. Works very well | 18:16 |
| Tango | right | 18:16 |
| greghaynes | Hello | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | The coreos ISO is 200+ MB... I think we need to focus on coreos and put atomic on the backburner | 18:17 |
| greghaynes | I know a thing or two about dib if you all want any info | 18:17 |
| greghaynes | right now yolanda is working on adding lvm support to dib which is a requirement for atomic AIUI | 18:17 |
| greghaynes | The documentation shouldn't be *that* sparce | 18:17 |
| Tango | greghaynes: ah, here a question: for the install-package element, can you specify a version othe package? | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | greghaynes thanks for the add'l info | 18:17 |
| Tango | greghaynes: Like if I want docker 1.9.1 and not 1.8.2 | 18:18 |
| greghaynes | Tango: There are many ways to install packages, that one doesn't really but you could either install the package using standard tools or add that to pkg-map | 18:18 |
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| daneyon_ | greghaynes Do you happen to know why yolanda added #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/fedora-atomic-image-build to today's agenda? | 18:18 |
| greghaynes | As in - there is no reason you cant just use apt-get or yum to install whatever you want | 18:18 |
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| greghaynes | daneyon_: She has a goal of using DIB to generate the atomic images so we can greatly decrease their size, among other things | 18:19 |
| greghaynes | daneyon_: I dont know of any specific topics she wanted to discuss | 18:19 |
| greghaynes | Here are teh DIB docs FWIW http://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/ | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | greghaynes can you expand on the among other things? | 18:19 |
| greghaynes | daneyon_: Sure - a *lot* of projects use DIB in testing for image creation - infra also uses it for their testenv creation. As a result we have a lot of knowledge around using it to make images as part of our testing pipeline | 18:20 |
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| greghaynes | it also is a lot more efficient because we have a lot of caching set up to make dib fast when run in our testenv's | 18:20 |
| Tango | I like it :) | 18:21 |
| daneyon_ | greghaynes I see. Thanks. | 18:21 |
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| greghaynes | np | 18:21 |
| daneyon_ | greghaynes has anyone used DIB with coreos? | 18:21 |
| greghaynes | I am not sure what that means - do you mean to make a coreos image? | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | yes | 18:22 |
| greghaynes | Not that I am aware of, but the tool itself is pretty general purpose - adding new 'distros' tends to be really easy | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | OK | 18:22 |
| Tango | greghaynes: How about the ubuntu-minimal or fedora-mininal elements? | 18:23 |
| greghaynes | Tango: How about them? :) | 18:23 |
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| greghaynes | That is just a distinction of whether we use debootstrap or a cloud-image (regular ubuntu element) | 18:23 |
| daneyon_ | I had Tango create an image for me ~6 weeks ago for adding a new network-driver... We needed too add some DIR's and the ovs pkg to Atomic | 18:23 |
| Tango | greghaynes: I tried those but kept getting errors. I am guessing I have to include other dependent elements? | 18:24 |
| daneyon_ | I have yet to test it b/c I have been working on a few other things | 18:24 |
| daneyon_ | I will be going back to it soon. | 18:24 |
| greghaynes | Tango: You shouldnt have to, if you let me see the error I could probably help/fix | 18:24 |
| daneyon_ | I wonder if I should use DIB instead | 18:24 |
| * greghaynes would highly recommend | 18:24 | |
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| Tango | That's what Yolanda BP is about | 18:24 |
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| Tango | The current process is manual | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | greghaynes Is their an ETA on when yolanda's work will be ready to test? | 18:25 |
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| clarkb | there are system package requirements on the build host for -minimal elements | 18:25 |
| greghaynes | I have no idea.. | 18:25 |
| clarkb | deboostrap for example | 18:25 |
| greghaynes | I just know about it because I was helping her review some things | 18:25 |
| Tango | clarkb: Are they documented somewhere? | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | OK | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | I'll ping her directly then. | 18:26 |
| clarkb | Tango: should be in the element | 18:26 |
| greghaynes | Tango: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/elements/ubuntu-minimal/README.html | 18:26 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Review Action Items | 18:27 |
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| daneyon_ | ACTION: Tango to implement option 2 in the flannel host-gw patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | Tango already provided this update | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | Thanks. | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | ACTION: danehans to create a network-driver support matrix | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | One sec and I'll provide the links | 18:27 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | From ^, go to Resources | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | oops References | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | and you will see Network Driver Support Matrix and Labels Support Matrix | 18:28 |
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| daneyon_ | Pretty basic so far, but should be a good starting point as other network drivers get added | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | Feel free to contribute to improve. | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | I have also been working on a doc that goes through magnum networking details | 18:30 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Networking | 18:30 |
| daneyon_ | When you have time, pls review and feel free to contribute to improve. | 18:30 |
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| daneyon_ | ^ doc will also get updated as we add network drivers. | 18:31 |
| daneyon_ | I will add a link to the doc from the main M wiki page | 18:31 |
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| daneyon_ | ACTION: danehans check with wanghua on implementation status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 18:32 |
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| daneyon_ | I did sync-up with wanghua ~ 2 weeks ago | 18:32 |
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| hongbin | I will give a brief update on behalf of him | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | We discussed a few details re implementation options. We're on the same page re the details. | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | great, thx hongbin | 18:33 |
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| hongbin | He put a review for the bootstrap docker daemon | 18:34 |
| hongbin | A bootstrap docker daemon is a separated docker daemon for running etcd flannel | 18:34 |
| hongbin | Once that patch landed, we are ready to containerize flannel | 18:34 |
| daneyon_ | great | 18:35 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250999/ | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | I believe Egor had some concerns regarding the bootstrap docker daemon. | 18:35 |
| hongbin | Yes, he worried the extra complexity of introducing the additional docker daemon | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | i would like to take 5 min to review the patch | 18:36 |
| hongbin | eghobo_: yt? | 18:36 |
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| eghobo_ | hongbin: yep | 18:36 |
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| hongbin | eghobo_: we are talking about the docker bootstrap daemon | 18:36 |
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| eghobo_ | yes, I saw it. honestly I don't see the value | 18:37 |
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| eghobo_ | flannel is just 4 files you can just copy them ;) | 18:38 |
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| eghobo_ | also even coreos folks don't run flannel in contaner | 18:38 |
| daneyon_ | From #link https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/release-1.0/docs/getting-started-guides/scratch.md#selecting-images | 18:39 |
| daneyon_ | "For etcd, kube-apiserver, kube-controller-manager, and kube-scheduler, we recommend that you run these as containers, so you need an image to be built." | 18:39 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin do you have a kube doc reference that states why the docker bootstrap is needed? | 18:41 |
| hongbin | let me find it | 18:41 |
| eghobo_ | ;) don't believe everything what you read, very often it's outdated | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | It seems like the bootstrap is not a flannel-specific requirement. | 18:41 |
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| eghobo_ | we can easy run 'etcd, kube-apiserver, kube-controller-manager, and kube-scheduler' | 18:41 |
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| eghobo_ | i have PR for everything except etcd | 18:42 |
| daneyon_ | eghobo_ agreed, but i think it's important that we understand the recommendations from the kube community and use that as data for our decision | 18:42 |
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| hongbin | #link http://kubernetes.io/v1.1/docs/getting-started-guides/docker-multinode.html | 18:43 |
| eghobo_ | bootstrap is very flannel specific, you need to create bridge before real docker start | 18:43 |
| daneyon_ | It's my understanding that the M community is trying to ensure that our COE's are following upstream best practices. I want to make sure we're aligned from a networking standpoint. | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | If CoreOS, Kube, etc.. are saying flannel should not be containerized, then I will heavily lean on those recommendations | 18:43 |
| daneyon_ | taking a few minutes to review #link http://kubernetes.io/v1.1/docs/getting-started-guides/docker-multinode.html | 18:44 |
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| eghobo_ | daneyon_: actually they are not saying it officially ):, but they just don't use | 18:45 |
| daneyon_ | all #link http://kubernetes.io/v1.1/docs/getting-started-guides/docker-multinode.html does not provide much background on the benefits to this 2 daemon approach. | 18:46 |
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| daneyon_ | Is someone willing to address this further on the kube irc channel? | 18:46 |
| daneyon_ | I do have concerns about over complication | 18:47 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: I think you are the best candidate :) or I can ask wanghua to do that | 18:47 |
| daneyon_ | ATM I don't see the benefits outweighing the concerns of over complication. | 18:47 |
| Tango | we can ask if others have tried this and have any suggestion | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | #action danehans to address the 2-daemon approach on the kube irc and provide add'l info through Magnum ML | 18:48 |
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| daneyon_ | I'll take it on | 18:48 |
| hongbin | daneyon_: thx | 18:49 |
| daneyon_ | Until then, I would like to see the other kube service containerized. | 18:49 |
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| Tango | So how do we select a version with the kube service containerized? | 18:50 |
| Tango | like 1.1.1 ... | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | I would think it would be through an image tag | 18:50 |
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| Tango | ok | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | i'm trying to find the doc | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | i'll shoot it to you if i can find it | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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| Tango | On the last meeting, we had a brief discussion on networking for mesos cluster | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | Their is a meetup re: Docker Trusted Registry tomorrow. Check it out if you can #link http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Online-Meetup/events/227287361/ | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | Yes Tango. I believe we agreed not to iomplement Flannel for Mesos | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | at least until etcd is implemented in mesos | 18:54 |
| Tango | Does anyone know if tenant isolation is supported within mesos? | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | the general concensous was that not every network driver will be applicable for every coe | 18:54 |
| Tango | In other words, can we allow different tenants on the same mesos cluster? | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | i don't believe it is. | 18:54 |
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| Tango | OK, so we will still have to isolate by private neutron network | 18:55 |
| hongbin | I don't think so either | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | i believe multi-tenancy is addressed in some of the mesos frameworks | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://engineering.twitter.com/university/videos/spark-on-mesos | 18:56 |
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| daneyon_ | or by running mesos in magnum :-) | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | lol!!! | 18:56 |
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| Tango | One of the concern about containers is different tenants running containers on the same host | 18:56 |
| Tango | we solve that by VM's and networking | 18:57 |
| Tango | Mesos claims to run on the whole data center, so I wonder how they address this | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango take a look at the Selecting Images section #link https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/release-1.0/docs/getting-started-guides/scratch.md#software-binaries | 18:58 |
| daneyon_ | All, we are down to our final 2 minutes. | 18:58 |
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| daneyon_ | In general, mesos is focused on pooling all compute resources | 18:59 |
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| daneyon_ | the different frameworks that run on mesos uses the pooled resources for different purposes | 18:59 |
| Tango | Sounds like Magnum has the right approach for multi tenancy then | 19:00 |
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| daneyon_ | i.e. the kube-mesos framework uses the pooled resources for container clustering engine purposes. | 19:00 |
| daneyon_ | we can talk more on the M irc channel. | 19:00 |
| daneyon_ | Thanks all for attending!!! | 19:00 |
| daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 19:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-12-10-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-12-10-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-12-10-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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