thinrichs | Hi all | 00:00 |
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thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
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thinrichs | Are we all here or should we wait a couple of minutes? Who is here? | 00:00 |
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ramineni | hi | 00:00 |
masahito | hi | 00:00 |
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joonmyung | hi | 00:01 |
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pballand | hi | 00:01 |
thinrichs | Hi all. We have 6 or so here, so let's get started | 00:01 |
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fabiog | o/ | 00:02 |
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thinrichs | My agenda: devstack, distributed arch, python3, and a couple others | 00:03 |
RuiChen | hi | 00:03 |
thinrichs | I see fabiog and joonmyung are new here, I believe. | 00:03 |
joonmyung | yes. hi. | 00:03 |
thinrichs | We typically have newcomers introduce themselves at the end of the meeting | 00:03 |
fabiog | thinrichs: yes | 00:03 |
thinrichs | But of course feel free to jump in throughout. | 00:03 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: no problem. | 00:03 |
thinrichs | Anything else for the agenda? | 00:03 |
fabiog | I have a mid-cycle meeting question | 00:04 |
fabiog | is there any plan? | 00:04 |
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fabiog | we can talk at the end | 00:04 |
thinrichs | That's an open-ended one, so I'll add that to the agenda in the middle | 00:05 |
thinrichs | #topic devstack | 00:05 |
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thinrichs | Remember that the way we currently use devstack in the gate will no longer work at Mitaka1 | 00:05 |
thinrichs | So we're moving to the devstack plugin | 00:05 |
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thinrichs | There's been a bunch of back and forth on the patch that ramineni put together | 00:05 |
thinrichs | ramineni: want to update everyone? | 00:06 |
thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241969/ | 00:06 |
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ramineni | thinrichs: yes, its ready from our end , but havent been approved yet by infra :( | 00:06 |
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thinrichs | I've pinged infra twice, but they may have thought we were still discussing | 00:07 |
thinrichs | Now that all the reviews are +1 I'll ping them again | 00:07 |
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ramineni | thinrichs: ok, ill also ping them for review | 00:07 |
ramineni | thinrichs: im also checking on disabled tempest tests | 00:07 |
thinrichs | Once we get that patch in, there's another gate job (from murano) that we may need to touch | 00:08 |
thinrichs | Or maybe the murano team will take care of it | 00:08 |
thinrichs | ramineni: thanks for taking care of this patch | 00:08 |
thinrichs | ramineni: any progress to report on the tempest tests? | 00:08 |
ramineni | thinrichs: yes, some tests are failing because of some recent changes in tempest , so could get them worked | 00:09 |
ramineni | thinrichs: i have still bunch of them to resolve | 00:09 |
ramineni | :) , will be working on it | 00:09 |
thinrichs | ramineni: sounds good | 00:09 |
thinrichs | #topic distributed architecture | 00:10 |
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thinrichs | pballand: how's that DseNode patch coming? I saw you pushed to review today | 00:10 |
pballand | I’ve thrown together a very lightweight skeleton that shows the problem I’ve been stuck on | 00:11 |
pballand | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247232/ | 00:11 |
pballand | RPC works fine on AMQP, but doesn’t on Fake | 00:11 |
pballand | if anyone has cycles to take a look, help would be much appreciated | 00:11 |
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pballand | problem can be reproduced by running ‘python test_dsenode.py —ampq’ (works) and ‘python test_dsenode.py --fake’ (fails) | 00:12 |
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pballand | I have a bunch of other code prototyped and ready to merge in, but it all relies on RPC actually working :-/ | 00:13 |
pballand | that’s my update | 00:13 |
thinrichs | Which test fails? What's the message? | 00:13 |
thinrichs | Or maybe we can do that offline. | 00:14 |
pballand | test_dsenode.py line 128 | 00:14 |
thinrichs | Sorry—got too caught up wanting to hunt down the bug | 00:14 |
pballand | RPC calls don’t return when using the fake driver | 00:14 |
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pballand | sure - in dsenode.py, an rpc server is started on line ~64, and calls are invoked on line ~108 - there isn’t much to the code | 00:15 |
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thinrichs | Also on the distributed arch front it looks like we just have 1 outstanding API model to get merged | 00:17 |
thinrichs | That's gone through a few rounds of review, so should happen soon. | 00:17 |
thinrichs | I think that once we get dsenode in, there'll be a bunch of work to do hooking everything up. | 00:18 |
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ramineni | thinrichs: still datasources one also left | 00:19 |
ramineni | ? | 00:19 |
thinrichs | I'll try to spend some time this week thinking through what needs to be done. | 00:19 |
thinrichs | ramineni: ok I'll take a closer look at that | 00:19 |
ramineni | ok | 00:20 |
thinrichs | #topic python3 | 00:20 |
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thinrichs | ekcs: how is python3 conversion going? | 00:20 |
ekcs | Making progress on getting all the datalog bits Python3 compliant. Most of the issues have to do with Python3 being more resrictive on what types are used. | 00:20 |
ekcs | It's going rather slow because a lot of time is spent digging through the code to understand the intended behavior in Python2. On the plus side, it's helping me understand the innards of the datalog code, and occasionally exposing a bug. | 00:20 |
thinrichs | Any estimates on how much longer? Number of errors, perhaps? | 00:21 |
ekcs | about 30 errors involving datalog. but some tests are skipped due to other errors so who knows. | 00:22 |
thinrichs | ekcs: thanks for the update | 00:23 |
ekcs | I’m hoping to have the datalog bits done sometime next week. | 00:23 |
thinrichs | ekcs: need any help from us? | 00:23 |
ekcs | but it’s hard to say. some things take 10 minutes. some things take 2 days. | 00:23 |
ekcs | maybe 1 day. | 00:24 |
ekcs | thinrichs: mostly just responding to questions about exsting code, as you guys have been doing. | 00:24 |
thinrichs | ekcs: Let us know if you need something | 00:24 |
thinrichs | sounds good | 00:24 |
thinrichs | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 00:25 |
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thinrichs | fabiog: did you have something to propose for this? | 00:26 |
fabiog | thinrichs: yes, Cisco is happy to host it | 00:26 |
fabiog | thinrichs: I was thinking to do it in San Jose, CA unless there is a wish to do it elsewhere | 00:26 |
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fabiog | thinrichs: I am also trying to coordinate with Monasca mid-cycle so we could have 1 day of joint session | 00:27 |
fabiog | thinrichs: how does it sound? | 00:27 |
thinrichs | fabiog: thanks for the offer to host! | 00:27 |
fabiog | thinrichs: my pleasure | 00:27 |
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thinrichs | I know a number of people are local to San Jose, so that's convenient | 00:28 |
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thinrichs | But a number of people aren't local to San Jose, so it's not so convenient for them | 00:28 |
thinrichs | Maybe we should discuss what topics we're interested in, so we get a feel for who would be most interested in attending | 00:28 |
thinrichs | And then discuss the location | 00:29 |
fabiog | thinrichs: also what are historically the datas you have held such a meetings in the winter cycles? | 00:29 |
thinrichs | fabiog: not sure about dates | 00:30 |
fabiog | thinrichs: have you guys had a mid-cycle before? | 00:30 |
thinrichs | fabiog: a couple | 00:30 |
thinrichs | Last cycle we discussed the new architecture | 00:30 |
thinrichs | One cycle we had a general policy meet-up | 00:31 |
thinrichs | So maybe just those. | 00:31 |
thinrichs | pballand: were there any others? | 00:31 |
pballand | that’s all I recall | 00:31 |
thinrichs | I'd propose one topic for this cycle's meet-up is a follow-on to the distributed arch | 00:32 |
thinrichs | Either it could be a code sprint to finish things up, or we could discuss the next step: using the distributed arch to do HA and high query throughput | 00:32 |
thinrichs | Are there other proposals? | 00:32 |
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fabiog | I would like to share a design/architecture using Monasca Alarming and WebHooks to get alerts on policy infringments | 00:33 |
fabiog | or potential infringments | 00:33 |
thinrichs | fabiog: that sounds cool | 00:34 |
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thinrichs | A generalization of fabiog's might be… | 00:35 |
thinrichs | deeper integration with other OpenStack projects. | 00:35 |
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thinrichs | In addition to Monasca integration, we could discuss su_zhang's recent experiments with gating Nova on Congress and whether generalizing that to other services makes sense. | 00:35 |
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thinrichs | Any opinions? | 00:36 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: If there is any space, I'd like to share policy graph abstraction using congress with some current limitations and possible improvements. | 00:36 |
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ekcs | thinrichs: if time allows, the more general topic makes sense. but if we don’t have enough time then it may dilute it to the point of not actually making any progress. | 00:38 |
thinrichs | joonmyung: is policy graph abstraction a new UI you're proposing for Congress? | 00:38 |
thinrichs | ekcs: agreed | 00:39 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: Patially, it will be a new UI but it is more than UI. | 00:39 |
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joonmyung | thinrichs: I am working with JK for this topic. we are using congress for communicating with infra now. | 00:40 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: I am looking for some contribution points for your congress now. thanks. | 00:40 |
thinrichs | joonmyung: maybe it'd be good to have you do a demo/presentation earlier than the meet-up | 00:41 |
thinrichs | joonmyung: the mid-cycle meetup isn't a conference where people give talks; it's typically more of a chance for us to all get in a room and hammer out some design | 00:42 |
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joonmyung | thinrichs: I see. | 00:42 |
thinrichs | Let's all think about topics for the mid-cycle meet-up and discuss again next week. | 00:43 |
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thinrichs | fabiog: Thanks again for offering to host. I think it'd be great to have Cisco host this time, assuming San Jose works. | 00:44 |
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fabiog | thinrichs: yes, no problem | 00:45 |
fabiog | thinrichs: regarding dates maybe mid to late Jan, would that work? | 00:45 |
thinrichs | fabiog: sounds like the right timeframe to me. What about everyone else? | 00:46 |
fabiog | I can create a doodle and open it for votes next week | 00:46 |
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fabiog | thinrichs: last variable, how many days? 2 or 3 or 4? | 00:47 |
thinrichs | fabiog: a doodle poll would be great! | 00:47 |
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thinrichs | fabiog: not sure how many days; would depend on the topic(s). Maybe poll for 4 | 00:48 |
thinrichs | That does it for my agenda. Let's switch over to open discussion. | 00:48 |
thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:49 |
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thinrichs | fabiog and joonmyung: want to introduce yourselves and tell us why you're interested in Congress? | 00:49 |
_RuiChen | I have a question about API | 00:49 |
_RuiChen | policy/rule status API in status_model.py and execute_action in datasource_model.py exsit in code, | 00:49 |
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_RuiChen | but these don't present in API doc, do we actually support these API? | 00:49 |
fabiog | thinrichs: please go ahead and respond to _RuiChen | 00:50 |
_RuiChen | fabiog: sorry | 00:50 |
fabiog | I can introduce myself afterwards ;-) | 00:50 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: I agree. | 00:50 |
thinrichs | _RuiChen: today there's not much use for /policy/rule/status | 00:50 |
thinrichs | _RuiChen: I think we want execution action in datasource though, as a way of testing out actions. | 00:51 |
_RuiChen | thinrichs: yes, all the response present in policy/rule show, | 00:51 |
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thinrichs | _RuiChen: so I'd remove the policy/rule/status code and update the API doc for execution action on the datasource | 00:51 |
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_RuiChen | thinrichs: got it, I can help to do it | 00:52 |
thinrichs | _RuiChen: that'd be great! | 00:52 |
thinrichs | fabiog: how about that intro? | 00:52 |
_RuiChen | fabiog: joonmyung: please go on :-) | 00:52 |
fabiog | sure, I am Fabio Giannetti and I work for Cisco | 00:52 |
fabiog | I am Monasca Core and I am interested in integrating Congress with Monasca to enable monitoring feedback for real-time push-model policy evaluations | 00:53 |
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fabiog | done :-) | 00:53 |
thinrichs | :) | 00:53 |
thinrichs | fabiog: nice to have you join the meeting! | 00:53 |
joonmyung | Ok. I am Joon-Myung Kang and currently working for Hewlett Packard Labs. I've been mostly working in Neutron for policy management, service chaining, and performance guarantee. | 00:54 |
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joonmyung | Why I am interesting in Congress is that I would like to apply network policy management to more general policy management such as Congress. | 00:54 |
_RuiChen | "feedback for real-time push-model policy evaluations", it's great, welcome | 00:55 |
thinrichs | joonmyung: glad you could be here! | 00:55 |
fabiog | thinrichs: doodle link for mid-cycle: http://doodle.com/poll/iinvncz7298rq9wb | 00:55 |
thinrichs | fabiog: super fast! Thanks! | 00:55 |
joonmyung | thinrichs: thank you. actually, I was in the Vancouver design summit with JK for presenting PGA work. I am mostly implementing it on OpenStack. | 00:56 |
thinrichs | Anyone else have questions or anything to discuss in the last 4 minutes? | 00:56 |
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fabiog | thinrichs: I still didn't manage to get the datasource driver to store data in the database | 00:57 |
ekcs | I have something weird maybe i’ll bring up in case someone happens to know something | 00:57 |
fabiog | if I create the exact same structure by hand it works, but when I get the data from Monasca it does not store it | 00:57 |
thinrichs | You pulled out everything and started from scratch? | 00:57 |
fabiog | thinrichs: yes | 00:57 |
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masahito | I pushed the spec for Push type datasource driver. please review it. | 00:57 |
thinrichs | ekcs: go ahead and interleave your question here, or we won't get to it | 00:57 |
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masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246742/ | 00:57 |
fabiog | thinrichs: I will give it another shot, but I will ping you again if I fails since I am getting out of ideas | 00:58 |
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thinrichs | fabiog: that's bizarre | 00:58 |
thinrichs | masahito: Thanks! I'll take a look. | 00:58 |
fabiog | thinrichs: I konw, you remembered when we did Webex that was really strange | 00:58 |
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thinrichs | fabiog: what if you print the data that monasca is returning to the screen, copy and paste it into the code. Does that work? | 00:59 |
ekcs | In a test I added, it passes if I run tox -epy34 first and then tox -epy27. | 00:59 |
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fabiog | thinrichs: yes, that seems to work | 00:59 |
ekcs | but it often fails if I go straight to epy27. | 00:59 |
fabiog | I didn't copy and paste but I reproduced the structure and worked | 00:59 |
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fabiog | I will try to copy and paste | 00:59 |
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thinrichs | ekcs: that's crazy. | 01:00 |
ekcs | line 737 of this test. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246042/3/congress/tests/datalog/test_compiler.py | 01:00 |
thinrichs | ekcs: those should have separate virtualenvs and shouldn't collide | 01:00 |
thinrichs | fabiog: sounds good. | 01:00 |
thinrichs | We're out of time, so we can continue in #congress if anyone wants to | 01:00 |
thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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ujuc | HI | 12:58 |
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ianychoi | Hi | 12:58 |
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katomo | hi | 12:59 |
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Daisy | We will start I18n meeting now | 13:00 |
ujuc | o/ | 13:00 |
Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 13:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
Daisy | Hi, katomo, ianychoi and ujuc | 13:00 |
Daisy | Nice to see you. | 13:00 |
ianychoi | Hello, katomo and Daisy :) | 13:00 |
ujuc | Hi | 13:00 |
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eumel8 | Frank here, hello! | 13:01 |
ianychoi | Hello :) | 13:01 |
katomo | Hi Daisy, ianychoi, ujuc | 13:01 |
Daisy | Hi, eumel8. | 13:01 |
Daisy | Let's start. | 13:01 |
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katomo | hi eumel8 | 13:01 |
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Daisy | #topic Status update and issues collection of the work items | 13:01 |
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Daisy | I'm going to review the progress of the work items we planned in Tokyo summit, and collected issues if there are. | 13:02 |
Daisy | 1. Statistic in stackalytics | 13:03 |
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Daisy | Ilya owns this. The lastest status from him is: I'm working on data acquisition (with workaround for translators list) as we discussed in Tokyo and waiting for https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-742 (and watching what's happening =) ) . | 13:03 |
Daisy | I think it's an easy function, I will check the progress with Zanata team after meeting. | 13:04 |
Daisy | 2. Enable translation check website (Daisy) | 13:05 |
eumel8 | +1 | 13:05 |
ianychoi | Got it for 1. | 13:05 |
Daisy | I have studied the two repos from Akihiro. I initiated the discussion with infrasture team. | 13:05 |
Daisy | Hope next time I could make some progress. | 13:06 |
Daisy | 3. Have training guide in translation website (KATO) | 13:06 |
Daisy | It is done, right, katomo ? | 13:06 |
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katomo | going | 13:06 |
katomo | none | 13:06 |
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Daisy | how is the progress ? | 13:07 |
katomo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245615/ | 13:07 |
katomo | almost there :) | 13:07 |
katomo | 1 +2 | 13:07 |
Daisy | OK. Thank you. | 13:07 |
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ianychoi | :) | 13:07 |
Daisy | 4. Translate Installation guide (All) | 13:07 |
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Daisy | Installation guide is branched. The stable liberty version is created. | 13:07 |
Daisy | Let me check the progress. :) | 13:08 |
ujuc | 1 | 13:08 |
Daisy | katomo: Must we translate "common" file ? | 13:08 |
katomo | yes | 13:08 |
Daisy | all of the common ? | 13:09 |
katomo | some contents are in common-rst. | 13:09 |
katomo | yes, all. | 13:09 |
katomo | I reduce common-rst to the minimum for install guides. | 13:09 |
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Daisy | OK. Got it. | 13:09 |
ianychoi | Oh.... install-guide + common-rst.. I thought only install-guide is targeted for next January. | 13:09 |
Daisy | Then I will write it down to the home page. | 13:10 |
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ianychoi | Okay. | 13:10 |
Daisy | Yes. only installation guide. | 13:10 |
Daisy | I see Japanese team have finished, and Korean and Chinese team have solid progress. | 13:10 |
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ianychoi | Got it. I now understand that 'install-guide for next January' and 'common-rst' is not for next January but important. | 13:11 |
katomo | to clarify, translate common-rst at stable/liberty branch for Liberty install guides. | 13:11 |
katomo | good progress. nice work. | 13:11 |
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Daisy | ianychoi: I think, common-rst is for next January too. | 13:11 |
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ianychoi | Okay..... I see! | 13:12 |
Daisy | because part of installation guide contents are in common-rst | 13:12 |
katomo | yeah, no need so harry :) | 13:12 |
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ianychoi | Yes, but I thought only install-guide and no common-rst is targeted for next January. | 13:12 |
ianychoi | Now I got it. | 13:13 |
Daisy | Next January is a target we set. No target, no pressure. :) | 13:13 |
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katomo | :) | 13:13 |
ianychoi | Yep! Thanks, Daisy :) | 13:13 |
Daisy | ianychoi: I will update the home page the clarify this. | 13:13 |
ianychoi | Thank you for that clarification :) | 13:13 |
Daisy | 5. Translate openstack dashboard | 13:14 |
Daisy | it's not started. We will wait for the feature freeze. :) | 13:14 |
Daisy | 6. Set up i18n repo, add terminology files, enable the sync if possible. (Daisy) | 13:14 |
Daisy | Thank katomo to get the repo structure ready. | 13:15 |
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katomo | you are welcome | 13:15 |
Daisy | Thanks to Akihiro and katomo to work on the documents. | 13:15 |
katomo | almost Akihiro :) | 13:15 |
Daisy | The term and translations are merged. | 13:15 |
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Daisy | but I met with an issue while I'm trying to set up the infrastructure. | 13:16 |
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Daisy | i18n repo is different from other projects, because i18n.pot is not extracted. It's manually created. | 13:17 |
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katomo | hm | 13:17 |
Daisy | The current logic of the uploading and downloading scripts will use a script to extract strings and generate new pot files. Then use "git status" to check if pot files are updated. | 13:17 |
Daisy | If no pot files get updated, don't upload to Zanata. If pot files are updated, upload to Zanata. | 13:18 |
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Daisy | In our case, it's different. Let's imaging I add a new term to i18n.pot, and commit to i18n repo. The uploading script will be invoked. | 13:19 |
Daisy | How can the upload script tell whether a new pot file generates ? | 13:19 |
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Daisy | So I'm thinking about two opinions. One is to follow other projects logic to generate i18n.pot, the other is to change the uploading script to handle the special case of i18n repo. | 13:20 |
Daisy | I haven't decided yet. | 13:20 |
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Daisy | any comments ? | 13:21 |
katomo | the latter sound reasonable. | 13:21 |
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katomo | the latter can use a free name :) | 13:21 |
Daisy | katomo: it might be the easier one. | 13:21 |
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Daisy | Yes, I don't like i18n.pot. I like term.pot. | 13:22 |
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Daisy | Maybe I work on the laster option firstly. | 13:22 |
katomo | Just my idea... we can forcefully upload everytime | 13:22 |
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Daisy | Yes, we can. | 13:23 |
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ianychoi | It means that rather other other projects, we need to only manually upload pot files without downloading from zanata. | 13:23 |
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ianychoi | Am I understanding right? | 13:23 |
Daisy | yes, ianychoi . | 13:23 |
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Daisy | Let's move to next item. | 13:24 |
Daisy | 7. Run scripts to manage release process (Daisy, Alex ) | 13:24 |
ianychoi | Yes, then I prefer the 2nd options. Okay | 13:24 |
Daisy | Not started. | 13:24 |
Daisy | 8. Set readonly to all projects in Transifex and handle 84 join request. May delete it in next summit. | 13:24 |
Daisy | I handled part of the requests , just before the meeting. | 13:24 |
katomo | thanks | 13:25 |
Daisy | I have rejected almost a half of the requests. Send messages to notify them we have moved to a new website. | 13:25 |
Daisy | I will complete before next meeting. | 13:25 |
Daisy | ok. we have gone through all the items. Anything I missed ? | 13:26 |
Daisy | if no, let's go to next topic. | 13:26 |
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katomo | no | 13:26 |
ianychoi | no | 13:26 |
Daisy | ok. Thank you, katomo | 13:26 |
Daisy | #topic Discussion: how to manage I18n related bug reports ? | 13:26 |
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katomo | hm, amotoki is not here... | 13:27 |
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Daisy | I see there are discussions in Gerrit. | 13:27 |
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ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246256/ | 13:28 |
Daisy | amotoki has summarized three kinds of bugs: | 13:28 |
Daisy | * bugs during translations | 13:28 |
Daisy | * bugs in original strings | 13:28 |
Daisy | * bugs in tool chains | 13:28 |
Daisy | I think they are reasonable. Any other bug types you can think out ? | 13:29 |
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eumel8 | sounds good | 13:29 |
katomo | i think good | 13:30 |
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ianychoi | Reasonable, but 'bugs during translations' means that bugs during translation period? | 13:30 |
ujuc | +1 | 13:30 |
Daisy | ianychoi: I think it means bad translations. | 13:30 |
Daisy | or missed translations. | 13:30 |
ianychoi | Aha.. got it! | 13:30 |
ujuc | Typo translation? | 13:30 |
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Daisy | ujuc: maybe. It could be a bad translation too. Translation is not correct, but no typo. | 13:31 |
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ujuc | Yes ok | 13:31 |
Daisy | Either users cannot understand, or users don't agree with the translation | 13:31 |
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ianychoi | okay | 13:32 |
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Daisy | I have an idea. We could figure out who will report those types of bugs, and we separate the types from role perspectives. | 13:32 |
Daisy | An end user might not be able to tell whether a bug is a tranlsation bug or a original string bug. | 13:33 |
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katomo | i think so | 13:33 |
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Daisy | My thought is to ask end users to report translation bugs to i18n project in Lanchpad. And we, the i18n team, could figure out the root cause, either we direct the bug to development team, or we fix in Zanata. | 13:34 |
eumel8 | This was also my question, who is reporting bugs, and this is very useful, I think. | 13:34 |
Daisy | s/direct/redirect | 13:34 |
ianychoi | Good idea. | 13:35 |
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Daisy | so let's say: end users may report "bugs during translations", let's call it "translation bugs" | 13:35 |
katomo | +1 | 13:35 |
ianychoi | +1 | 13:35 |
eumel8 | +1 | 13:35 |
Daisy | if an end user figure a "translation bugs", he/she goes to Lanchpad. | 13:35 |
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ujuc | +1 | 13:36 |
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Daisy | If a translator ( who has joined the team and have the right to update Zanata) finds a bad translation, he/she could go to Zanata directly | 13:36 |
Daisy | We should think over the translator behaviour when he/she finds a translation bug. | 13:37 |
Daisy | As a coordinator, katomo, ianychoi, ujuc, eumel8, do you like a translator of your team goes to Zanata and directly change the translation ? | 13:37 |
katomo | sure | 13:38 |
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Daisy | :) | 13:38 |
ianychoi | absolutely | 13:38 |
ujuc | Yes | 13:38 |
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eumel8 | yes, but is Launchpad usable for non-english speaking end-users? | 13:38 |
katomo | we can check them from review status :) | 13:38 |
Daisy | katomo: good point. | 13:39 |
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Daisy | eumel8: Launchpad should support that. Non-english speaking end-users could report bugs in their language. The question is do we accept non-English described translation bugs ? | 13:40 |
katomo | eumel8: i think we can accept non-english report | 13:40 |
ianychoi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1474452 | 13:40 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1474452 in openstack-manuals "Document sidebartoc typo: "한국의" > "한국어"" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Ian Y. Choi (ianychoi) | 13:40 |
Daisy | katomo: I remember I saw a bug repot in Chinese to a translated document before. | 13:40 |
katomo | A day ago, we got a chinese bug report. | 13:40 |
Daisy | Thank you for the example, katomo and ianychoi. | 13:41 |
katomo | Daisy: yes | 13:41 |
ianychoi | This is an example of reporting Korean translation error bug report. (Although it could not be solved in Zanata) | 13:41 |
Daisy | If we could add button in Horizon, to report translation bugs, it will be wonderful. | 13:41 |
eumel8 | okay, this is good, if the end-user can interact with the tool in his language and, of course, can report his bug in native lang | 13:42 |
Daisy | I don't know if Horizon has bug report buttons. | 13:42 |
eumel8 | this was also my question in gerrit | 13:42 |
katomo | In case we can not understand what language is written, it's difficult :) | 13:42 |
Daisy | katomo: what is difficult ? | 13:43 |
katomo | Daisy: we can not understand who should treat that bug. | 13:43 |
eumel8 | @katomo: I think the right language team can grab the bug ;) | 13:43 |
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ianychoi | Translated launchpad would be much better but hmm.. it is another problem .. :) | 13:44 |
katomo | eumel8: i hope so | 13:44 |
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Daisy | I hope users could type their languages in English. | 13:44 |
Daisy | type their language name in English. Then we will figure out who could treat the bug. | 13:44 |
ianychoi | +1 for 'typing language name in English' | 13:45 |
katomo | yeah | 13:45 |
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eumel8 | try to typing | 13:45 |
ujuc | :) | 13:45 |
Daisy | and then, who will find bugs in original strings and bugs in tool chain ? | 13:46 |
Daisy | I imagine, a translation tester may find a original string is untranslatable. | 13:46 |
katomo | translators | 13:46 |
eumel8 | developer | 13:46 |
ujuc | Translators... | 13:47 |
ianychoi | language researcher? | 13:47 |
Daisy | ianychoi: what is language researcher ? | 13:47 |
ianychoi | I just have thought an unordinary case.. for a linguist. | 13:48 |
Daisy | while after the translation check website is ready, we will get a new role: translation tester | 13:48 |
ianychoi | Or a guy who want to extract po file text .. | 13:48 |
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katomo | Japanese team sometimes find : the original strings is difficult to translate, can not control word order(untranslatable), or strange:) | 13:48 |
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Daisy | ianychoi: yeah, they will find bugs of the tool chain. | 13:48 |
Daisy | let's say: while a translator is translating or testing, he/she may find bugs of original strings. | 13:49 |
eumel8 | In german we have a lots of proper names from english - so it's also not translatable. Sometimes I have also to think about the sense. | 13:50 |
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Daisy | let's say: while a tool user is using our tools, he/she may find bugs of the tool chains. | 13:51 |
Daisy | Hope amotoki could figure out the contents he needs from our chat history. | 13:52 |
Daisy | anyway, we will continue the discussion in Gerrit. It's not in a hurry. It's a new item and very useful. | 13:52 |
eumel8 | yes | 13:53 |
katomo | yeah | 13:53 |
Daisy | So I will leave the remain time for open discussions. | 13:53 |
Daisy | #topic open discussions | 13:53 |
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katomo | o/ | 13:53 |
katomo | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/rst-conv/inline-markups.html | 13:54 |
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katomo | :program:`RabbitMQ` is useful to translate ? | 13:54 |
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ujuc | No | 13:54 |
katomo | I want to change :program:` ` to `` `` to simplify | 13:55 |
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ianychoi | ujuc, then just ``RabbitMQ`` ? | 13:55 |
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katomo | ujuc, thanks | 13:55 |
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Daisy | I'm back. | 13:55 |
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katomo | As a translator, i think so | 13:55 |
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katomo | Daisy: hello :) | 13:56 |
ujuc | Yes, programs is no translation. | 13:56 |
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Daisy | katomo: we should create a translator guidance. | 13:56 |
katomo | guidance? | 13:56 |
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Daisy | we need a translator guidance to tell them: which should be translated and which should not; which should be careful and which is called a "bad translation" | 13:57 |
Daisy | Translaion guide | 13:57 |
Daisy | Translation guide | 13:57 |
ianychoi | Aha.. +1 because some translators would translate 'program' word, which generates wrong html outputs. | 13:57 |
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katomo | yeah | 13:57 |
katomo | `` `` is not sufficient? | 13:57 |
Daisy | we could document these down in the "i18n contribution guide", right ? | 13:58 |
eumel8 | +1 for the guide | 13:58 |
Daisy | the doc Akihiro and you are working on, I cannot remember the exact name. | 13:58 |
ianychoi | I mean some users translate :program:`RabbitMQ` ==> :[aaaa]:`[bbbb]` | 13:58 |
katomo | Daisy: sure | 13:58 |
ianychoi | aaaa and bbbb are local languages | 13:58 |
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ianychoi | so I agree to just use ``RabbitMQ`` | 13:58 |
katomo | wow | 13:58 |
Daisy | ianychoi: yes, the new translator will make this mistake. | 13:58 |
katomo | so,,, `` `` is better :) | 13:59 |
katomo | `` can not translate. | 13:59 |
ianychoi | Yes | 13:59 |
ujuc | Yes :) | 13:59 |
katomo | thanks. good example. | 13:59 |
Daisy | katomo: we don't have time in the meeting. But we could go to i18n channel to continue the discussion. | 13:59 |
katomo | oops | 14:00 |
katomo | okay | 14:00 |
ianychoi | Thanks for all the guys! | 14:00 |
Daisy | katomo: I have to close the meeting now. Thank you for attending. | 14:00 |
ujuc | Ok | 14:00 |
Daisy | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 14:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-19-13.00.html | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-19-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-19-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
katomo | thanks all | 14:00 |
eumel8 | thx | 14:00 |
ujuc | Bye :) | 14:00 |
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Daisy | ujuc, eumel8, and ianychoi: we could go to openstack-i18n to continue the discussion. | 14:01 |
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gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 15:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:00 |
gordc | first telemetry meeting. | 15:00 |
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Guest91492 | o/ | 15:01 |
liusheng | o/ | 15:01 |
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r-mibu | o/ | 15:01 |
ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
llu | o/ | 15:01 |
ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
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pradk | o/ | 15:02 |
sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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gordc | nadya_: good to know who you are | 15:02 |
gordc | let's start | 15:02 |
nadya_ | :) | 15:02 |
gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:03 |
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gordc | so i updated | 15:03 |
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gordc | (most) of the ceilometer wiki to point to telemetry | 15:03 |
gordc | i also updated the list of roadmap items that currently don't have owners | 15:03 |
gordc | feel free to add items you think i missed | 15:04 |
gordc | or grab an item yourself | 15:04 |
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gordc | if you noticed i missed any ceilometer->telemetry items, please let me know as well. | 15:04 |
jd__ | o/ | 15:05 |
jd__ | gordc: the spec repo | 15:05 |
gordc | and i guess last note is please review specs already up https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ceilometer-specs,n,z | 15:05 |
gordc | jd__: you mean move that to telemetry-specs? | 15:05 |
jd__ | gordc: would make sense I guess | 15:05 |
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gordc | i left it unchanged currently because all our bp still are under ceilometer launchpad | 15:06 |
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gordc | jd__: shall we open up bp links for aodh and gnocchi? | 15:06 |
jd__ | if needed | 15:06 |
jd__ | if we have specs for these projects | 15:07 |
gordc | jd__: you know how easy a repo rename is? | 15:07 |
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gordc | what happens to the docs it publishes? | 15:07 |
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gordc | err, i'll look into it i guess... for now keep it pointing to ceilometer-specs | 15:09 |
gordc | any other items? | 15:09 |
gordc | #topic aodh topics | 15:10 |
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gordc | nothing listed, but just a reminder, if someone wants to step up and be a lead for aodh, please do so | 15:10 |
nadya_ | gordc: what means 'lead'? | 15:11 |
gordc | anyone else have aodh items? anyone take a look at this? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079614.html | 15:11 |
nadya_ | gordc: ptl-helper responsible for aodh? | 15:11 |
gordc | nadya_: basically. | 15:11 |
gordc | nadya_: just keep track of any important work items. | 15:12 |
gordc | nadya_: track aodh bugs | 15:12 |
gordc | nadya_: i'm basically trying to get others to do my job :) | 15:12 |
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nadya_ | gordc: yep, I see :) | 15:13 |
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gordc | ok so we can move on. | 15:13 |
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gordc | take a look at that list if you have opinions on vitrage or root cause analysis. | 15:14 |
gordc | #topic ceilometer topics | 15:14 |
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gordc | no real updates here, i released ceilometerclient 2.0.1 this week | 15:15 |
gordc | errr... that's really it. | 15:15 |
gordc | any one else? | 15:15 |
llu | one question, do we need release notes for client? | 15:15 |
gordc | or we'll just jump into ityaptin spec discussion | 15:15 |
sileht | I'm fighting to get ceilometer working with keystoneauth1 | 15:16 |
gordc | llu: i ask dhellmann it's for services currently | 15:16 |
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gordc | llu: but they'll probably be applied to libs/clients later | 15:16 |
gordc | sileht: we need a new ceilometerclient? | 15:16 |
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sileht | gordc, perhaps I'm not sure yet | 15:16 |
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gordc | i'm really hoping we can get that gnocchiclinet patch in... i'm watching that. | 15:17 |
sileht | me too | 15:17 |
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gordc | cool cool. let us know if you hit any blockers. | 15:17 |
ityaptin | Does anyone has a experience with a libvirt? We met with this issue in our deployments https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1457440 | 15:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1457440 in Ceilometer "Compute agent virDomainGetBlockInfo error for instances with RBD backend" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:17 |
sileht | I have some issue on gate only :( | 15:17 |
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sileht | ityaptin, looks like a kvm/libvirt issue not a ceilometer one | 15:18 |
ityaptin | Nobody wants to fix it :-( | 15:18 |
gordc | sileht: delete the tests | 15:18 |
gordc | ityaptin: i saw that, was going to look at it yesterday but got distracted | 15:18 |
gordc | ityaptin: you try asking on openstack-nova? | 15:18 |
gordc | ityaptin: i think nobody knows how. | 15:19 |
ityaptin | Yes, I wrote a letter to openstack dev | 15:19 |
dguitarbite | ityaptin: Something to do with Libvirt prob. the version of libvirt. | 15:19 |
gordc | ityaptin: let me try pinging kvm person after this | 15:19 |
sileht | ityaptin, try to see if a more recent version of libvirt or kvm fix the issue | 15:19 |
jd__ | gordc: re: repo rename, it's not that hard, but it requires a downtime so they do that once every 2 weeks or something on Saturday usually IIRC | 15:19 |
ityaptin | gordc, thanks! | 15:19 |
sileht | ityaptin, if not perhaps this is just not implements for rbd backend | 15:20 |
gordc | dguitarbite: cool. thanks for pointer | 15:20 |
gordc | sileht: that's what i thought too... but was too lazy to install everything and verify | 15:20 |
gordc | jd__: ack. i'll check with infra | 15:20 |
gordc | #action gordc message infra to change ceilometer-specs to telemetry-specs | 15:21 |
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ityaptin | sileht: If rbd doesn't support it, I will write a doc entry and update the bug | 15:21 |
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sileht | ityaptin, I guess it doesn't support it, I have the latest kvm with the cloud-archive libvirst for trusty and got: | 15:22 |
sileht | virsh domblkinfo c04b85f2-aa2f-47d5-b412-2ad67c250e56 vda | 15:22 |
sileht | error: internal error: missing storage backend for network files using rbd protocol | 15:22 |
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ityaptin | sileht: ok. so, I suggest additionally catch this issue in virt inspector and put "%s is not supported in rbd" instead of trace | 15:24 |
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sileht | ityaptin, looks good | 15:24 |
ityaptin | ityaptin: I will do. | 15:24 |
gordc | ityaptin: no problem with it either but i'll see if it's something wrong our end. | 15:25 |
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gordc | cool let's move on to spec. | 15:26 |
gordc | #topic spec for new project with polling and notification (ityaptin) | 15:26 |
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gordc | ityaptin: go for it. | 15:26 |
ityaptin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246314/3 | 15:26 |
gordc | ityaptin: my main question was trying to figure out what exactly is being split | 15:27 |
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nadya_ | gordc: polling + notifications. Because notificaton agent is responsible for transforming now | 15:28 |
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nadya_ | gordc: and it seems difficult to break pipeline.yaml | 15:29 |
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gordc | nadya_: so collector is remaining service in ceilometer? | 15:29 |
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nadya_ | yep | 15:29 |
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nadya_ | the new service will publish messages somewhere. and collector may be configured to catch them | 15:30 |
gordc | hmm.. what functionality does collector have without polling+notification agents? | 15:31 |
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nadya_ | storage. put and get | 15:31 |
ityaptin | gordc: In ceilometer we will still have an api for getting data and a collector for recording. | 15:32 |
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gordc | nadya_: but it only understands polling/notification sample/event models | 15:33 |
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gordc | ityaptin: i see. | 15:33 |
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gordc | so i think originally the discussion at summit was that we could configure the notification agent build data in any pluggable model | 15:34 |
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gordc | i think right now the polling/notification code is pretty separate already no? any other opinions? | 15:35 |
nadya_ | gordc: collector will be used if users want to use Ceilometer storages. If they want to publish to Kafka or whatever, then they probably don't want collector | 15:35 |
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nadya_ | gordc: it is. but the same story was about alarming code | 15:36 |
nadya_ | gordc: the idea about "the notification agent build data in any pluggable model" may be implemented as well during refactoring | 15:37 |
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* jd__ agrees with nadya_ and ityaptin, he thinks | 15:38 | |
gordc | i'm pretty indifferent | 15:38 |
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gordc | the remaining collector+api code will be pretty sparse | 15:39 |
gordc | especially if you consider the metering api to be in maintenance mode. | 15:39 |
nadya_ | gordc: I'm afraid it's evolution :( People uses Ceilometer for collection mostly. External storages is very common solution | 15:41 |
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gordc | nadya_: understood. just pointing out the packages are already like this. | 15:42 |
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jd__ | gordc: yeah then we need to move out the event part… and we're pretty done | 15:43 |
gordc | i'm pretty sure this is going to be moving 90% of code and keeping 10%. | 15:43 |
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gordc | jd__: i think that's what we originally discussed | 15:43 |
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jd__ | that's what I wanted to do this cycle | 15:44 |
jd__ | but if we do this one I'm not sure it's wise to do all in one cycle | 15:44 |
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gordc | jd__: agreed | 15:44 |
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gordc | nadya_: i'm indifferent, i don't think this will help much from a user or dev pov but i'm an old man and don't like change. | 15:46 |
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gordc | but tbh, if it ends up being a 90/10 split in code, i don't see the value. unless we plan on adding functionality to that 10% | 15:47 |
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nadya_ | gordc: ok, I see your point. We may just start doing this and evaluate the results | 15:47 |
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nadya_ | and discuss events separation with jd__, because it's not clear how it may be done | 15:48 |
gordc | nadya_: yeah, that'd be good. give it a try. | 15:49 |
jd__ | gordc: if the 10% are the ones deprecated I don't see the problem moving them out anyway? | 15:49 |
gordc | nadya_: i'm not sure how to split that and make it pluggable either | 15:49 |
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gordc | jd__: are we moving the 10% because if we move collector/api, that requires new endpoint no? | 15:49 |
gordc | i think we're moving the 90%. | 15:49 |
jd__ | yeah | 15:50 |
jd__ | so it's better? | 15:50 |
jd__ | Why are you whining then? :p | 15:50 |
gordc | also, we only really deprecrating the metering, events api we need to keep (or make better) | 15:50 |
jd__ | gordc: yeah we need to split that, I said | 15:50 |
nadya_ | we deprecating metering? come on! | 15:51 |
gordc | err. so to formalise, the idea is: move out polling+notification agent? | 15:51 |
jd__ | sounds like it | 15:52 |
nadya_ | gordc: yep! metering deprecation is another topic | 15:52 |
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jd__ | then we deprecate OpenStack | 15:52 |
gordc | nadya_: give it a try. | 15:52 |
nadya_ | I just haven't heard about this yet :) | 15:52 |
nadya_ | gordc: ok! | 15:52 |
gordc | jd__: write a spec | 15:53 |
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jd__ | gordc: we deprecated spec already. | 15:53 |
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nadya_ | btw, Monasca should be at this meeting :)? | 15:53 |
gordc | jd__: damn. we must move forward then. | 15:53 |
jd__ | nadya_: is this a question? | 15:53 |
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nadya_ | jd__: yep | 15:53 |
jd__ | nadya_: why should they? | 15:53 |
nadya_ | they are telemetry | 15:53 |
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nadya_ | and this is telemetry meeting | 15:54 |
gordc | nadya_: we don't manage them... | 15:54 |
gordc | and we don't own telemetry space... just the name.lol | 15:54 |
jd__ | they're not part of the telemetry project team | 15:54 |
gordc | changing to open discussion | 15:54 |
jd__ | they never requested to join AFAIK | 15:54 |
gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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nadya_ | gordc: I thought you may become their PTL accidentally | 15:55 |
jd__ | lol | 15:55 |
gordc | hahahah! | 15:55 |
gordc | nadya_: man, people would be soooo angry. | 15:55 |
jd__ | :)) | 15:55 |
nadya_ | :) | 15:56 |
jd__ | you're such a troll nadya_ | 15:56 |
gordc | nadya_: you will get me in trouble. | 15:56 |
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nadya_ | sorry ;) | 15:57 |
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gordc | nadya_: our official response is we will listen to all ideas and are always open to integration. | 15:57 |
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gordc | i learned politics from eglynn. | 15:57 |
gordc | ok we all good? | 15:58 |
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nadya_ | yep, I think so | 15:58 |
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gordc | thanks everyone. | 15:58 |
gordc | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 15:59:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-11-19-15.00.html | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-11-19-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-11-19-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 17:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
mtreinish | hi, who's here for today's meeting? | 17:01 |
dwalleck | o/ | 17:01 |
slowrie | . | 17:01 |
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ylobankov | hi | 17:01 |
mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_November_19th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
mtreinish | looks pretty boilerplate today | 17:02 |
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mtreinish | andreaf, sdague, mkoderer, jordanP, dtroyer, afazekas: around? | 17:03 |
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andreaf | mtreinish: what's up? | 17:03 |
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mtreinish | andreaf: meeting time... | 17:03 |
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andreaf | mtreinish: oh, I'm in a different TZ, I got confused, sorry | 17:03 |
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mtreinish | well let's get start, maybe more people will trickle a bit later | 17:04 |
mtreinish | #link Specs Reviews | 17:04 |
mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:04 |
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mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:05 |
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mtreinish | does anyone have any open spec reviews to discuss today? | 17:05 |
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dwalleck | slowrie: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247575/ | 17:05 |
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mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247575/ | 17:05 |
mtreinish | dwalleck: is that that first of the cli refactor specs we discussed at summit? | 17:06 |
dwalleck | We put up one of the first new tempest command line specs. More are on the way | 17:06 |
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dwalleck | mtreinish: yup | 17:06 |
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mtreinish | dwalleck: ok, cool I'll take a look. Those specs shouldn't be too involved so it'll hopefully go quick :) | 17:07 |
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andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ | 17:07 |
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andreaf | I have to respin it to address oomichi comments, but I'd like to get more eyes on it | 17:07 |
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dwalleck | mtreinish: Hoping so! I might ping you back about the run one. I'm trying to refresh my memory about what we discussed around testrepository.ui | 17:07 |
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mtreinish | andreaf: ok, yeah that'll be a good one to get moving soon | 17:08 |
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mtreinish | dwalleck: sure, np | 17:09 |
mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/230183 | 17:09 |
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mtreinish | that one is from SpamapS about some additional instrumentation of gate runs | 17:10 |
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mtreinish | it LGTM, but we talk about it semi-regularly so I might be too close to fairly evaluate the spec | 17:10 |
dwalleck | I like it, interesting data to have | 17:10 |
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mtreinish | ok, are there any other specs to discuss? | 17:11 |
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mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:12 |
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mtreinish | #topic Priority Items | 17:12 |
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mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:13 |
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mtreinish | so for those who weren't at summit that's the etherpad we're using for tracking at a high level what this cycle's prio items are | 17:13 |
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mtreinish | we've already closed out one item from the list | 17:14 |
jordanP | \o/ | 17:14 |
mtreinish | sdague got multinode grenade voting everywhere | 17:14 |
andreaf | nice :) | 17:15 |
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mtreinish | does anyone else have anything to discuss on this topic? | 17:15 |
mtreinish | we can talk about specific items on the list here, or in the project specific sessions. It doesn't really matter | 17:16 |
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jordanP | 'Drop extras.d from devstack (sdague) M1' <<-- -we still have 80-tempest.sh in there | 17:17 |
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jordanP | I hope we are not going to shoot ouselve in the foot | 17:18 |
mtreinish | jordanP: yeah, that's something we have to work to drop. I don't think it's used by any of the gating jobs right now, so I'm not sure what it's for | 17:18 |
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jordanP | mtreinish, how could it be not used ? | 17:18 |
jordanP | this is how tempest gets installed no ? | 17:18 |
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mtreinish | jordanP: sdague has a script that prints very obviously when extras.d is used and is tracking that with logstash | 17:19 |
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mtreinish | we don't have that on every run, so I assumed it's not used | 17:20 |
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jordanP | humm... | 17:20 |
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jordanP | mtreinish, "local exceptions="50-ironic.sh 60-ceph.sh 80-tempest.sh" | 17:21 |
jordanP | that's why... | 17:21 |
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jordanP | anyway, a fix should be easy and we can react quickly when it's time, i guess | 17:21 |
mtreinish | ah ok | 17:21 |
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mtreinish | jordanP: yeah, I'm not too worried about it | 17:22 |
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mtreinish | ok, well if there isn't anything else I guess we can move on | 17:23 |
mtreinish | #topic Tempest | 17:24 |
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sdague | yeh, so those will be exempted | 17:24 |
sdague | until we can migrate them out | 17:24 |
jordanP | andreaf, is making good progress on "cred provider" (when he is not breaking the world haha!) | 17:24 |
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andreaf | jordanP: oh, you found out about my secret evil plan | 17:25 |
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mtreinish | jordanP: heh, that happens a lot with the cred provider stuff. | 17:25 |
mtreinish | jordanP: I think it took us at least 50 revs to get the accounts providers right :) | 17:25 |
andreaf | jordanP, mtreinish: next step is to get client.py out of the credential providers, and the route I'm taking is to split credentials provisioning and resource provisioning | 17:25 |
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jordanP | yeah, I can image | 17:26 |
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jordanP | *imagine | 17:26 |
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mtreinish | andreaf: that's not a small task... | 17:26 |
andreaf | jordanP, mtreinish: but I need to do that in a way that still maintains the link between the creds and their resource | 17:27 |
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andreaf | resources | 17:27 |
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andreaf | yes I'm trying to find out the best way to do that in small steps | 17:27 |
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mtreinish | to be fair, we never really thought about external consumption when we wrote all of that | 17:28 |
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mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on tempest to discuss? | 17:29 |
mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 17:30 |
mtreinish | #topic DevStack | 17:30 |
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mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss about devstack this week? | 17:31 |
mtreinish | dtroyer, sdague: ^^^ | 17:31 |
jordanP | let's not drop support for ubuntu precise :) | 17:31 |
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sdague | yeh, that | 17:31 |
sdague | let's drop it | 17:31 |
sdague | we just merged nova code that won't work there | 17:31 |
jordanP | let's wait for that liberasure package to get into the repo | 17:31 |
mtreinish | wait, devstack still supports precise? | 17:32 |
jordanP | sdague, because of libvirt requirement ? | 17:32 |
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sdague | mtreinish: right, exactly | 17:32 |
sdague | jordanP: because of unconditional flag use on ebtables | 17:32 |
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jordanP | sdague, I use devstack to deploy swift and keystone, I don"t need nova | 17:33 |
sdague | mtreinish: this is the patch in question - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246973/ | 17:33 |
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sdague | jordanP: then you can force it on there with the override | 17:33 |
sdague | saying devstack supports precise means it all works there | 17:34 |
sdague | and means people will file bugs and think we are going to fix it. You just have to run with FORCE=yes | 17:34 |
jordanP | yeah.... just for this ebtables hack :( | 17:35 |
sdague | no, it's actually not for the hack | 17:35 |
sdague | it's for the real fix | 17:35 |
sdague | the hack doesn't care about your ebtables version | 17:35 |
mtreinish | jordanP: the hack just calls ebtables with flock, that works on precise :) | 17:36 |
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sdague | anyway, I don't think that upstream devstack should state that it supports precise | 17:36 |
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sdague | because it doesn't in the general case | 17:36 |
jordanP | yeah, ok, I call hack my way around this | 17:36 |
jordanP | *can | 17:36 |
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sdague | jordanP: did you sort out with the swift and ubuntu folks if that package is getting backported? | 17:37 |
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jordanP | yeah, there is some good progress, imo. theres a bug report for this which tracks the progress: | 17:38 |
sdague | ok, I don't want to hold up swift ci if they need this sooner rather than later | 17:38 |
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sdague | so you're on a clock :) | 17:39 |
jordanP | I know | 17:39 |
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sdague | I think other than that, the ebtables hack seems to have helped on the fail rate | 17:40 |
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sdague | though logstash fell over so it's a little hard to tell | 17:41 |
mtreinish | sdague: oh, cool. It's good that helped | 17:41 |
mtreinish | heh, ok | 17:41 |
sdague | and now ES is 17 hours behind | 17:41 |
mtreinish | sdague: the fail rate graph still looks a little fuzzy: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ | 17:41 |
sdague | we should also land - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245881/ - to never speak of partail upgrade again | 17:41 |
* mtreinish notes we really need to change the graph type to be something more suited to the data | 17:41 | |
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sdague | mtreinish: yeh, 25% doesn't mean anything without error bars | 17:42 |
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jordanP | https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1517713 (Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial) | 17:42 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1517713 in trusty-backports "Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial" [Undecided,New] | 17:42 |
mtreinish | ok is there anything else on devstack? (and grenade) | 17:43 |
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sdague | mtreinish: I don't think so | 17:43 |
mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:44 |
sdague | jordanP: are there any ubuntu people on that bug? | 17:44 |
jordanP | sdague, yes; this bug report was opened as a request by Micah on https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1515710 | 17:44 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1517713 in trusty-backports "duplicate for #1515710 Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial" [Undecided,New] | 17:44 |
jordanP | 22 hours ago | 17:44 |
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mtreinish | #topic OpenStack Health | 17:45 |
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mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-health-tracking | 17:45 |
mtreinish | so the big news on openstack health is: | 17:45 |
mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/235009 | 17:45 |
mtreinish | which is the db migration SpamapS and I were working on that should fix most of the subunit2sql perf issues | 17:46 |
dwalleck | woo! | 17:46 |
jordanP | \o/ | 17:46 |
mtreinish | we're prepping things to run it next week (and include that in the 1.0 subunit2sql release) | 17:46 |
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mtreinish | the run time estimates don't look so great, at taking multiple days to finish :( | 17:47 |
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jordanP | mtreinish, we could also drop the data and start from scratch | 17:48 |
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mtreinish | other than that, glauco has been working on some improvements to make the first 2 pages grouping a bit more generic | 17:48 |
mtreinish | jordanP: we thought about doing that, but then the dashboard or other tooling isn't really useful for at least a week, while we rebuild the trends | 17:48 |
mtreinish | jordanP: that'll be the fallback option if something goes wrong :) | 17:49 |
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jordanP | k | 17:49 |
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mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on openstack health this week? | 17:50 |
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mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 17:51 |
mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:51 |
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mtreinish | does anyone have a review they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:52 |
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mtreinish | really no reviews :) | 17:53 |
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mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any reviews I guess let's end here today | 17:54 |
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mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:54 |
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mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 17:55:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-11-19-17.00.html | 17:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-11-19-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-11-19-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
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daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 18:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:01 |
daneyon_ | Agenda | 18:01 |
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daneyon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda | 18:01 |
daneyon_ | I'll give everyone a minute to review the agenda | 18:01 |
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daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:02 |
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hongbin | o/ | 18:02 |
Tango | o/ | 18:02 |
gus | hi | 18:02 |
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daneyon_ | Thank you hongbin Tango gus for joining | 18:03 |
Tango | gus: Pretty early for you? | 18:03 |
eghobo_ | o/ | 18:03 |
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gus | Tango: yep, 5am - so use small words ;) | 18:03 |
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daneyon_ | Thank you eghobo_ for joining | 18:03 |
suro-patz | o/ | 18:03 |
daneyon_ | #topic Flannel host-gw patch | 18:03 |
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daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 18:04 |
adrian_otto | skipped roll call? | 18:04 |
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adrian_otto | oh, lagged | 18:04 |
daneyon_ | I think the community has settled on option 2 of the patch | 18:04 |
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daneyon_ | which means the patch has to be refactored since it implements option 3 | 18:04 |
daneyon_ | Thank you adrian_otto for joining | 18:05 |
Tango | So I tried out the host-gw backend on our atomic-5 image but couldn't get it to work. | 18:05 |
Tango | No connectivity between the containers | 18:05 |
daneyon_ | anyone willing to refactor the host-gw patch to implement option 2? | 18:05 |
Tango | Wonder if there is anything else we need to configure | 18:05 |
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Tango | daneyon_: I would be interested to carry it forward. | 18:06 |
daneyon_ | Tango you may need to open-up the neutron anti-spoofing iptables (enabled by default) | 18:06 |
daneyon_ | Tango that's great | 18:06 |
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Tango | daneyon_: Does that prevent rules to be added to the iptables? Because I saw no change in the NAT table. | 18:07 |
gus | Tango: yep, it needs to "spoof" IP, but not MAC> | 18:07 |
gus | . | 18:07 |
daneyon_ | If you haven;t done so already, can you leave a comment in the review letting everyone know you are going to carry it forward using option 2? | 18:07 |
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Tango | daneyon_: Sure, will do that. | 18:07 |
daneyon_ | Tango I have yet to play with the host-gw mode, but I would not be surprised if neutron's anti-spoofing is blocking. ping me more offline to discuss | 18:08 |
daneyon_ | i'll move the agenda forward | 18:08 |
Tango | daneyon_: ok, sounds good. | 18:08 |
daneyon_ | #topic Latest on Swarm CNM patches | 18:08 |
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daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245286/2 | 18:08 |
daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244978/ | 18:09 |
daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244848/ | 18:09 |
daneyon_ | good news, 1 of the 3 merged... yay!!!! | 18:09 |
daneyon_ | and the other 2 are well on their way. | 18:09 |
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daneyon_ | adrian_otto if you have time it would be much appreciated if you could review the final 2. | 18:09 |
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daneyon_ | i have addressed comments from previous patch sets | 18:10 |
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daneyon_ | and i think they are ready to go | 18:10 |
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daneyon_ | otherwise we need another core to +2 and +1 workflow | 18:10 |
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daneyon_ | then we'll have the flannel network-driver implemented for Swarm :-) | 18:10 |
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daneyon_ | unless their are any questions, I'll move the agenda forward. | 18:11 |
adrian_otto | daneyon_: I will make time to review them, thanks | 18:11 |
daneyon_ | adrian_otto thank you sir. | 18:11 |
daneyon_ | #topic Flannel for Mesos Update | 18:11 |
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daneyon_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1516767 | 18:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1516767 in Magnum "Add etcd support in mesos bay" [Undecided,New] | 18:11 |
* gus is new to this one and the bug doesn't give background - why are we considering flannel for mesos? | 18:12 | |
daneyon_ | everyone take a moment to checkout out the link | 18:12 |
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daneyon_ | hongbin and i discussed not implementing the flannel driver for mesos until etcd is supported and has a chance to make | 18:13 |
hongbin | Yes, it is | 18:13 |
gus | My understanding is that mesos uses host IPs (or things NATted to look like host IPs), and so doesn't need any additional routing help since the hosts already know how to reach each other.. | 18:13 |
daneyon_ | otherwise we have to make considerable changes to how magnum implements k/v stores | 18:13 |
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daneyon_ | gus, that is correct. mesos is using "legacy" docker networking... containers get nat'd by the host (vm in our case) | 18:14 |
gus | ok, so where does flannel come into it> | 18:14 |
gus | ? | 18:14 |
daneyon_ | this mesos issue brings up an important point of the Magnum CNM... | 18:14 |
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daneyon_ | Not every network-driver needs to be implemented across all bay types | 18:14 |
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hongbin | I agree | 18:15 |
gus | right - I don't think there's any need for any additional network driver for mesos? | 18:15 |
Tango | +1 | 18:15 |
hongbin | If flannel doesn't fit into mesos, we don't have to support that | 18:15 |
daneyon_ | Somce network-drivers may provide significant value to a particular bay type, but not to others. We should be supportive of this instead of trying to jam a particular networking implementation across all bay types | 18:16 |
daneyon_ | thoughts? | 18:16 |
Tango | Agree | 18:16 |
Tango | It may not make sense to fill out the matrix | 18:16 |
gus | I hadn't realised network drivers were being considered *across* bay types. Yes, I strongly suggest network drivers should only be relevant/useful within specific bay types. | 18:17 |
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daneyon_ | gus just as with swarm, an operator/user may want to use flannel to realize the container network within the cluster... For example, if they do not want container ip's nat'd. | 18:17 |
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Tango | So that raises the question: how do we communicate which is supported where? | 18:18 |
gus | daneyon_: except then you aren't using mesos, right? | 18:18 |
daneyon_ | this is what the Magnum CNM is all about, providing choice of container networking implementations, while using sensible defaults for simplicity | 18:18 |
daneyon_ | mesos does not yet support the Magnum CNM | 18:18 |
daneyon_ | we were planning on using flannel as the 1st implementation of the CNM for mesos, but then we hit the etcd issue | 18:19 |
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adrian_otto | the idea is to have what we as a community agree is the best default choice for networking for each bay type, and a way that alternate choices can be selected when needs justify a departure from the default. | 18:19 |
adrian_otto | consistent application of one networking type for all bays is a non-goal. | 18:19 |
daneyon_ | this caused me to think about our general approach to implementing the CNM... in that every net-driver does not need to necessarily cover every bay type (ex > mesos). | 18:20 |
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daneyon_ | Tango a net-driver support matrix is also what hongbin and i discussed | 18:20 |
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daneyon_ | any takers to create the matrix on the wiki? | 18:21 |
Tango | daneyon_: You would be the best candidate :) | 18:21 |
daneyon_ | #action Tango to implement option 2 in the flannel host-gw patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 18:22 |
daneyon_ | Tango agreed | 18:22 |
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daneyon_ | #action danehans to create a network-driver support matrix | 18:22 |
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daneyon_ | gus the matrix would show a N/A or not supported for flannel/mesos within the matrix | 18:23 |
gus | daneyon_: yep, makes sense. | 18:23 |
daneyon_ | adrian_otto thx for sharing | 18:24 |
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daneyon_ | so we are in agreement on this topic | 18:24 |
daneyon_ | thanks for the discussion. | 18:24 |
daneyon_ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:24 |
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daneyon_ | I have a topic to kick it off and it includes Tango | 18:25 |
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daneyon_ | Tango ran into an issue that requires the flannel pkg to be upgraded | 18:25 |
daneyon_ | however our version of atomic (fc21) does not support the req flannel pkg. | 18:25 |
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hongbin | A question. Why not put flannel in a container? | 18:26 |
daneyon_ | we can do 1 of 2 things: 1. live with the bug (vxlan does not work) or 2. Update the image so we can support a newer version of atomic and req flannel pkg | 18:26 |
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daneyon_ | thoughts? | 18:26 |
daneyon_ | hongbin not a bad idea | 18:27 |
daneyon_ | has anyone tried running flannel in a container | 18:27 |
adrian_otto | you's ned to use --net=host | 18:27 |
daneyon_ | in my experience working on the kolla project, some services are a PITA to containerize | 18:27 |
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daneyon_ | it may be easier updating the atomic version, which i think needs to be done no matter what | 18:28 |
eghobo_ | hongbin: I am going to try it for one of my real deployment and will share experience later | 18:28 |
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daneyon_ | and containerizing flannel could be a follow-on | 18:28 |
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Tango | Some update: I saw kojipkgs has new update for flannel. I tried building the packages but they all failed, even with the fc22 base. | 18:28 |
daneyon_ | eghobo_ that would be great to know | 18:28 |
hongbin | eghobo_: thx | 18:29 |
adrian_otto | I would urge us not to just containerize flannel as a point solution, but could we containerize the full scope of what we run on bay nodes? | 18:29 |
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adrian_otto | it might be much easier to do image maintenance that way | 18:29 |
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daneyon_ | i have a feeling that adrian_otto is correct using the --net=host, but that should not be an issue since the tenant owns the nova vm | 18:29 |
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adrian_otto | it could potentially make bay nodes a bit more secure as well | 18:30 |
daneyon_ | adrian_otto agreed. and containerizing flannel would be just 1 of the work streams of the BP. | 18:30 |
eghobo_ | adrian_otto: we cannot put kublet at container yet | 18:30 |
hongbin | We have BP to containerize k8s into containers | 18:30 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 18:30 |
gus | adrian_otto: I've certainly run all these bits in the past in containers, with liberal use of --net=host and --privileged. | 18:30 |
daneyon_ | is anyone interested in creating this BP and kicking off the implementation? | 18:30 |
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adrian_otto | eghobo_: I think it's possible with some elbow grease | 18:31 |
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Tango | Would the BP cover just Flannel, or other services as well? | 18:31 |
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eghobo_ | gus: I talked with Kub and Docker folks and volumes are not going to work | 18:31 |
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gus | eghobo_: depending on where you mount things from yes | 18:32 |
daneyon_ | Tango I think we just leverage the bp hongbin shared | 18:32 |
eghobo_ | as Tim K said only 90% functionality will work | 18:32 |
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daneyon_ | I think it would be nice to expand the language in that bp, so it's not only k8s... but i'm not hung up on it. | 18:33 |
hongbin | eghobo_: do you know exactly what won't work? | 18:33 |
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gus | it's kind of a question of what you actually _want_ to run on the outside - you could run an entire nested docker for example, but you probably don't want to. | 18:33 |
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daneyon_ | as with the network-driver stuff, even if we can't containerize all services, let's containerize what makes sense. | 18:33 |
hongbin | +1 | 18:34 |
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gus | note flannel is also implemented in go, so "upgrading" flannel is about as easy as installing a container - you just need to install a single file. | 18:34 |
daneyon_ | does anyone want to lead the effort of containerizing the services, maybe starting off with flannel? | 18:35 |
adrian_otto | great, let's proceed on that track, and apply what we learn. | 18:35 |
hongbin | daneyon_: wanghua is the owner of the BP | 18:35 |
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hongbin | daneyon_: He said he was interesting to work on that | 18:35 |
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daneyon_ | #danehans check with wanghua on implementation status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 18:36 |
daneyon_ | #action danehans check with wanghua on implementation status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 18:36 |
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daneyon_ | i still think we need to update the atomic image to a newer release, but that's a bit outside the scope of networking. | 18:37 |
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daneyon_ | any other discussion topics? | 18:38 |
Tango | I am checking the logs for the failed flannel builds. We may need to get help from the IRC. | 18:39 |
daneyon_ | gus that is correct re: the single flanneld bin. however, we have been using pkg's from the distro provider | 18:39 |
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gus | yeah sure, just highlighting that we might not need to do that. We're only supporting a single architecture so just downloading our own flannel binary somewhere is quite feasible. | 18:40 |
daneyon_ | Tango it was my understanding that the newer flannel src rpm's will not build w/o going to atomic f22 or newer | 18:40 |
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Tango | daneyon_: I tried building it against fc22, but that also failed | 18:41 |
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gus | oh and re running everything in containers: I think mesos slaves only have support for a single "special" docker container (--docker_mesos_image) - it will assume it can garbage collect all the others. | 18:41 |
daneyon_ | it seems like we are running an old school version of atomic and no matter what we do with flannel we should maintain the distro image | 18:41 |
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daneyon_ | or drop it and just focus on coreos, ubuntu, etc.. | 18:41 |
eghobo | gus: there is bunch of images at https://hub.docker.com/u/mesoscloud/ | 18:42 |
eghobo | but I have no idea they works or not ): | 18:42 |
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gus | eghobo: yep, the mesos slave is usually just the single service. But if we start putting various cluster-admin pieces in containers that might no longer be true. | 18:43 |
daneyon_ | gus agreed. Since it's a broader discussion topic, we just need to address the design change (from pkg's to src) with the community. | 18:43 |
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daneyon_ | i took an actio to check with wanghua on the status of the BP. If it's stalled, we will need someone to drive the BP forward | 18:44 |
daneyon_ | or update the atomic image to f22, update the flannel pkg, etc.. | 18:44 |
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daneyon_ | or we just live with the bug :-( Not so great since vxlan provides better performance than UDP and we don;t have the host-gw option implemented yet. | 18:45 |
Tango | I am following up on the image | 18:45 |
daneyon_ | thanks Tango | 18:45 |
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gus | What's the appetite for using a complex neutron setup underneath? | 18:46 |
Tango | gus: Can you elaborate? | 18:47 |
daneyon_ | i think if we containerize or not, their will be some services (at least for the foreseeable future) that can not be containerize and we have to support them directly on the OS. | 18:47 |
gus | I'm thinking of something like a route per host - ie: doing all of flannel's work in neutron itself. | 18:47 |
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gus | (More like what k8s does on GCE) | 18:47 |
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Tango | Would that be BP or patches done in neutron? | 18:48 |
daneyon_ | gus: every bay gets a neutron router and a shared network, a float is created so you can ssh to the nodes from outside | 18:48 |
gus | downside: In a typical neutron setup using linuxbridge or ovs (without DVR), it won't scale well in practice since the traffic would all go up through the network node. | 18:48 |
daneyon_ | i think it's pretty basic | 18:48 |
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daneyon_ | we are using the neutron lbaas, but that is needed for ha of api, etcd, etc.. | 18:48 |
gus | daneyon_: right, it's basic currently. Given the questions raised in the host-gw discussion about scaling beyond a single L2 network, I was just thinking of what that future might look like. | 18:49 |
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daneyon_ | gus i'm open to hearing other neutron network designs. Feel free to start the discussion on the ML | 18:49 |
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gus | daneyon_: ack. | 18:50 |
hongbin | gus: Just confirm. Do you know kuryr? | 18:50 |
gus | hongbin: yes. | 18:50 |
daneyon_ | note: that we also need to communicate with the kuryr team. | 18:50 |
hongbin | gus: And we plan to have a kuryr net-driver | 18:51 |
daneyon_ | so we are in sync | 18:51 |
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daneyon_ | any other discussion? | 18:51 |
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daneyon_ | if not i'll close the meeting | 18:51 |
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gus | hongbin: right - if it's just a matter of routes, we can probably assemble it using the current neutron api - but it would have some serious implications depending on how neutron itself was configured. | 18:51 |
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gus | daneyon_: (nothing else from me) | 18:52 |
daneyon_ | ok | 18:52 |
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daneyon_ | thanks everyone for joining and for the great discussion | 18:52 |
daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 18:52:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-11-19-18.01.html | 18:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-11-19-18.01.txt | 18:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-11-19-18.01.log.html | 18:52 |
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mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 19 21:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
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mriedem | #link meeting agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
mriedem | who is around? | 21:01 |
bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
auggy | o/ | 21:01 |
melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
_gryf | o/ | 21:01 |
edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
rlrossit | o/ | 21:01 |
takashin | o/ | 21:01 |
tpatil | Hi | 21:01 |
dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
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tonyb | \o | 21:01 |
mriedem | alright, let's get started | 21:02 |
mriedem | #topic release status | 21:02 |
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mriedem | today is spec review day | 21:02 |
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mriedem | i've reviewed 1 spec today, so i hope others are doing better | 21:02 |
mikal | . | 21:02 |
raildo | \o | 21:02 |
mriedem | Virtual doc sprint December 8th and 9th | 21:02 |
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mriedem | i haven't been following the doc string thing, is that just reviewing nova's docs (globally?) | 21:03 |
mriedem | s/string/sprint/ | 21:03 |
bauzas | I feel it's api related | 21:03 |
mriedem | manuals, api docs, config docs, devref? | 21:03 |
mriedem | ok | 21:03 |
mriedem | focused would be nice | 21:03 |
mriedem | anyone have that etherpad handy with the api doc gaps? | 21:03 |
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ccarmack | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc ? | 21:04 |
bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 21:04 |
bauzas | snaaaaap again | 21:04 |
mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 21:04 |
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mriedem | probably some good things for new people in there | 21:04 |
mriedem | lots of api extensions for v2.1 are usually missing from what i remember | 21:04 |
mriedem | anything else on this? | 21:04 |
auggy | should we add a link to that doc to the mitaka api etherpad? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-api | 21:05 |
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mriedem | auggy: sure | 21:05 |
mriedem | there is a documentation section in there | 21:05 |
* auggy is adding it now | 21:05 | |
mriedem | keeping tracks of etherpads is a losing game really | 21:05 |
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mriedem | Mitaka-1 is December 1st-3rd | 21:05 |
mriedem | dhellmann had a note in the ML about that | 21:06 |
mriedem | basically getting ducks in a row, which i think we have, at least with reno | 21:06 |
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mriedem | i think one TODO there is having reno changes for any upgrade impact or completed bp's with docimpact before mitaka-1 | 21:06 |
mriedem | bauzas was starting that | 21:07 |
bauzas | we just need to make sure that all UpgradeImpact merged patches have a reno file | 21:07 |
bauzas | yeah that | 21:07 |
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mriedem | yup, and if anyone has completed blueprints already and there were doc changes, let's get those release note changes up | 21:07 |
mriedem | like deprecating nova-manage service stuff | 21:07 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:07 |
mriedem | December 3rd is also non-priority spec and blueprints freeze | 21:07 |
bauzas | yup, there is an open discussion point about that, moving on | 21:07 |
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mriedem | so exactly 2 weeks, | 21:08 |
mriedem | we stop accepting non-priority specs | 21:08 |
mriedem | dansmith: ^ is that stop accepting *new* specs or stop approving all non-priority specs? | 21:08 |
mriedem | i always get that tripped up | 21:08 |
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tonyb | mriedem: the latter IIUC | 21:08 |
dansmith | mriedem: I don't remember | 21:08 |
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mriedem | yeah, that's what it looks like here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 21:08 |
dansmith | mriedem: last time we had a spec proposal freeze and we don't have that this time I think? | 21:09 |
mriedem | let's assume it's a freeze on all non-priority specs | 21:09 |
* tonyb shoudl get his spec written! | 21:09 | |
mriedem | dansmith: that'd be good | 21:09 |
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mriedem | it was confusing before | 21:09 |
mriedem | yeah, so if you have specs to write, get them up like a month ago | 21:09 |
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mriedem | as usual, the specs review etherpad is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:09 |
mriedem | for categories | 21:09 |
tonyb | mriedem: a month ago I didn't know I had a spec to write ;P | 21:09 |
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mriedem | time machine my friend | 21:10 |
sdague | wibbly wobbly | 21:10 |
mriedem | specless blueprints, do we have any? | 21:10 |
mriedem | there are some in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:10 |
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mriedem | so check those out ^ | 21:11 |
sdague | do we have a blueprint registered yet for privsep? | 21:11 |
mriedem | sdague: i'm not seeing one in the etherpad | 21:11 |
mriedem | under that name at least, or rootwrap | 21:11 |
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mriedem | that was a cross project spec right? | 21:11 |
sdague | I'm not seeing it in the list, and osbrick and osvif are kind of borked if we don't get that in | 21:11 |
sdague | there is privsep existing | 21:11 |
sdague | then the is nova implementing it | 21:11 |
mriedem | do we have a link to a cross project spec? | 21:12 |
mriedem | was it already approved? | 21:12 |
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mriedem | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/liberty/privsep.html | 21:12 |
mikal | We said privseo sat under os-vif at the summit | 21:12 |
mikal | i.e. is a priority | 21:12 |
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mikal | I don't think we made it clear to gus that he needs a spec for the nova work | 21:12 |
mriedem | so i guess privsep was approved as a cross-project spec | 21:13 |
sdague | I don't think we need a spec | 21:13 |
mriedem | we need a bp for tracking purposes | 21:13 |
mriedem | but not a spec | 21:13 |
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mikal | Yep, there's already an impl landed in oslo, but it needs to get released | 21:13 |
sdague | I think we need a blueprint for tracking getting it in | 21:13 |
mikal | Ahhh, yep. Sounds fair. | 21:13 |
mikal | I will walk gus through that today | 21:13 |
mriedem | who wants to ping gus about this? | 21:13 |
mriedem | ok | 21:13 |
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mriedem | #action mikal to get gus to get a bp up for nova re: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/liberty/privsep.html | 21:13 |
sdague | because osbrick has coupled cinder / osbrick / nova into lockstep until we have that | 21:13 |
mikal | Yep, understood | 21:13 |
mriedem | yup | 21:13 |
mikal | The code took a while to land in oslo, but is done now | 21:14 |
mriedem | i can add it to the etherpad we have later too | 21:14 |
mikal | The next step is tricking dims into releasing it | 21:14 |
mriedem | i don't tihnk you need to trick dims into release oslo things | 21:14 |
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sdague | mikal: typey typey tricksy tricksy | 21:14 |
tonyb | mikal: gus was hoping that would be handeld by dim's oslo process | 21:14 |
mikal | Heh | 21:14 |
mriedem | yeah, every monday is oslo release monday | 21:14 |
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mikal | Yeah, I think he and I are hoping dims will do the releasy bits | 21:14 |
mriedem | and tuesday is gate breakage tuesday :) | 21:14 |
mikal | I will bribe him until its done | 21:14 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:14 |
mriedem | i have a call out for novaclient 3.0 changes http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079915.html | 21:14 |
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tonyb | mriedem: it wasn't in the last batch so I'll get dims and gus in a cage match^W^Wroom | 21:15 |
mriedem | basically, if you know of any backward incompatible changes to novaclient we want to make, we want to batch them up for 3.0 | 21:15 |
mriedem | to release in mitaka-2 | 21:15 |
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mriedem | anything else on release status? | 21:15 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:15 |
mriedem | #topic regular reminders | 21:15 |
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mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:16 |
mriedem | review priorities as usual ^ | 21:16 |
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mriedem | anyone have an update on the trivial bug tracking going on in there? | 21:16 |
mriedem | i haven't looked in there in awhile | 21:16 |
mriedem | looks like lxsli has been adding things | 21:16 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:16 |
mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:17 |
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mriedem | gate status: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:17 |
mikal | I think we've also previously said its a bigger deal later in the cycle | 21:17 |
mriedem | so the gate, | 21:17 |
mriedem | o.vo thing got fixed earlierin the week | 21:17 |
bauzas | the gate is good, nope? | 21:17 |
mriedem | there is the ebtables thing sdague is working around | 21:17 |
sdague | also, the incredible ebtables hack | 21:17 |
mriedem | sdague: anything on that? | 21:17 |
bauzas | oh | 21:17 |
sdague | yeh, we landed a hack in devstack to stop the bleeding | 21:17 |
tonyb | sdague: link? | 21:17 |
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mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247250/ | 21:18 |
mriedem | plus master | 21:18 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246501/ | 21:18 |
sdague | it's off by default in devstack, devstack-gate turns it on in the gate | 21:18 |
sdague | the real fix landed in nova, but needs an env with libvirt 1.2.11 | 21:19 |
mriedem | is the d-g change in? | 21:19 |
sdague | yes | 21:19 |
mriedem | have we seen a drop in that failure? | 21:19 |
sdague | yes | 21:19 |
dansmith | awesome | 21:19 |
sdague | only on liberty today | 21:19 |
sdague | then I pushed the backport | 21:19 |
mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#1501558 | 21:19 |
mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#1501366 | 21:19 |
sdague | logstash had an outage so the data is a little hard to be sure, but it looks promissing | 21:19 |
mriedem | cool | 21:19 |
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mriedem | i don't have anything else on gate status | 21:20 |
mriedem | 3rd party ci http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:20 |
mriedem | intel has been off in the weeds | 21:20 |
mriedem | ebay was spamming us | 21:20 |
mriedem | *was* | 21:20 |
dansmith | that tool doesn't give me any results anymore | 21:20 |
dansmith | is it broken? | 21:20 |
mriedem | heh, idk | 21:20 |
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tonyb | dansmith: Yeah it looks down to me :( | 21:21 |
sdague | yeh, nothing there works | 21:21 |
mriedem | there is an intern at cloudbase that rechecks changes manually for hyper-v | 21:21 |
mriedem | for whatever reason.. | 21:21 |
mriedem | intenrbot | 21:21 |
dansmith | yeah | 21:21 |
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dansmith | but regardless, intel ci has been off the rails for a while i think | 21:21 |
mriedem | moving on to critical bugs | 21:21 |
dansmith | also- xen?] | 21:21 |
mriedem | do we have any? | 21:21 |
mriedem | xen has some racey fails | 21:21 |
mriedem | i've been opening bugs on the xenproject ci fails | 21:21 |
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sdague | nothing listed as critical in the tracker | 21:22 |
mriedem | i've been doing that so i can point them out to bob when he yells at me for merging a thing that breaks xenproject ci | 21:22 |
tonyb | 2 in LP both with fixes | 21:22 |
sdague | the ebtables ones were our worst long running gate fail | 21:22 |
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mikal | So, I promised to chase Intel CI and have been doing that thing | 21:22 |
mikal | They have active work on reliability | 21:22 |
mikal | And we talked about ways to make that more obvious to the community | 21:23 |
mriedem | an intel person did show up in irc the other day asking about something | 21:23 |
mriedem | so they at least seem engaged | 21:23 |
mriedem | let's move on? | 21:23 |
mikal | Yeah, we can talk more details later if you want | 21:23 |
mriedem | i don't really :) | 21:23 |
mriedem | but thanks | 21:23 |
dansmith | heh | 21:23 |
mikal | Heh | 21:23 |
mriedem | stable branch status | 21:23 |
dansmith | I just want it to work | 21:23 |
mriedem | kilo: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/kilo,n,z | 21:23 |
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mriedem | lots of red there | 21:24 |
mriedem | so idk | 21:24 |
mriedem | juno is getting tagged today, if not already done | 21:24 |
mriedem | alan was doing that this morning | 21:24 |
mriedem | and we're not going to bump versions so things are just done, and then EOL soon | 21:24 |
mriedem | RIP juno | 21:24 |
tonyb | mriedem: some of the red in kilo is blokced on juno EOLing so that's a thing :) | 21:24 |
mriedem | (upstream) | 21:24 |
mriedem | tonyb: oh, grenade | 21:24 |
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mriedem | yeah, there will be job cleanup going on | 21:24 |
sdague | spot checking it looks like ceph is the fail on a lot of those | 21:25 |
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tonyb | mriedem: Umm oslo.utils needs a relase butit conflicts with Juno ..... | 21:25 |
mriedem | tonyb: ok, we can tackle that in -stable | 21:25 |
mriedem | there has been a ceph thing in the gate that jbernard was working on | 21:25 |
mriedem | so i'm not surprised | 21:26 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:26 |
mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:26 |
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mriedem | there is one listed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135387/ | 21:26 |
tpatil | Main point of objection so far is, there is no need to take instance snapshot as the instance disk files will be retained when shelved_offload_disk config parameter is set to False | 21:26 |
mriedem | Improve Performance of UnShelve api | 21:26 |
tpatil | Please refer to PS 18 for comments from John | 21:26 |
tpatil | If snapshot is not taken during shelving, then it would be an API change from user’s point of view. So John suggested to make this discoverable in the API somehow. | 21:26 |
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tpatil | We can modify shelve API allowing user to pass parameter “snapshot=False/True” to decide whether to take snapshot or not during shelving process. but then, it will complicate the case | 21:27 |
mriedem | why should the user have to know | 21:27 |
mriedem | ? | 21:27 |
mriedem | user shouldn't know the stack env right? | 21:27 |
sdague | yeh, it seems like the user should not really need to know this | 21:27 |
mriedem | shelve my thing in the most efficient way possible please | 21:28 |
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dansmith | I thought we said we weren't going to do this at the summit? | 21:28 |
tpatil | We got a comment from john that snapshot is not required | 21:28 |
mriedem | tpatil: so you're wondering about a behavior change of not taking a snapshot and then people wondering where it is? | 21:28 |
dansmith | maybe I'm just remembering what I wanted to hear? | 21:28 |
mriedem | dansmith: it was a fantasy | 21:28 |
tpatil | mriedem: correct | 21:29 |
mriedem | hmm | 21:29 |
dansmith | so, for real though, I feel like this has been "stuck" for about 18 months, which I think means it shouldn't be on the stuck list anymore | 21:29 |
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mriedem | could have a microversion that changes the response and tells you if you get a snapshot or not | 21:29 |
tpatil | dansmith: We have been chasing this spec since last 2 releases, hope it gets approved in this cycle. | 21:29 |
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mriedem | i'd vote for just putting something in the response that says if you did a new thing or not, idk | 21:30 |
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tpatil | Since Dec 3rd is freeze date for approving non-priority specs, I'm little worried now | 21:30 |
mriedem | are there other operators that are interested in solving this? | 21:30 |
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tpatil | We have already replied to John comments and waiting for him to respond | 21:30 |
mriedem | tpatil: what i've been doing lately is engaging the ops community on stuff like this, via the #openstack-operators channel and the openstack-operators ML | 21:31 |
tpatil | no other party is interested it seems like | 21:31 |
mriedem | tpatil: i'd try to get some opinions from other operators on this and see if they have opinions | 21:31 |
mriedem | crowdsource the spec | 21:31 |
tpatil | But it's an important thing for us (NTT) | 21:31 |
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tpatil | mriedem: Thanks | 21:31 |
mriedem | sure, but if we're talking about an api change, we should have buy in | 21:31 |
mriedem | from others | 21:31 |
mriedem | let's move on | 21:31 |
mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:32 |
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mriedem | a few items | 21:32 |
mriedem | 1. should we create some explicit guidelines about the creation of "reno" release-note files? | 21:32 |
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tpatil | mriedem: We don't want to change the API, but if that's what community want we can make that happen | 21:32 |
mriedem | i need a link for the reno ML thread | 21:32 |
bauzas | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247775/ | 21:32 |
mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247775/ devref on when to add release notes | 21:33 |
bauzas | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079907.html is markus_z's thread | 21:33 |
mriedem | also | 21:33 |
mriedem | yeah | 21:33 |
bauzas | comments welcome of course... | 21:33 |
mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079907.html mailing list thread on when to reno | 21:33 |
mriedem | i don't think this is rocket science so we can probably just restrict it to the ML and review right? | 21:34 |
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sdague | honestly, I feel like it's just going to be a lot more consistent now than randomly figuring out important things later. We did one for the ebtables fix, and for the cells db being required. | 21:34 |
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mriedem | yeah i don't think this is too difficult | 21:34 |
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mriedem | common sense | 21:34 |
bauzas | yup | 21:34 |
mriedem | we don't need a release note that you fixed a spelling error | 21:35 |
sdague | heh | 21:35 |
Vek | heh | 21:35 |
mriedem | moving on | 21:35 |
mriedem | this is my baby: How do we want to handle instance_actions wrt purge/archive of instances? | 21:35 |
mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079778.html | 21:35 |
mriedem | so i have a change that starts to fix the nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246635/ | 21:36 |
mriedem | it's blocked on instance_actions not being soft deleted when instances are soft deleted | 21:36 |
mriedem | soft deleted being instances.deleted != 0, not the API | 21:36 |
mriedem | so the question is, do we start soft deleting instance_actions? or when archiving, do we hard delete those mofos? | 21:36 |
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sdague | right, so instance_actions on deleted instances is potentially pretty useful | 21:36 |
mriedem | former is harder but probably better for the ops people, latter is easier to write and maintain | 21:37 |
sdague | that's your time machine to figure out what happened | 21:37 |
mriedem | right | 21:37 |
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nic | +1 | 21:37 |
mriedem | i was hoping some ops people would speak up about this | 21:37 |
bauzas | I haven't yet seen a reply from ops, right? | 21:37 |
mriedem | since it was ops people that wanted us to fix the damn command | 21:37 |
mriedem | bauzas: right | 21:37 |
sdague | today it grows without bounds? | 21:37 |
mriedem | sdague: instance_actions? | 21:37 |
mriedem | yeah | 21:38 |
sdague | yeh | 21:38 |
mriedem | and the instance actions API doesn't read deleted instances | 21:38 |
mriedem | so once you delete the instance, the instance actions API is useless | 21:38 |
bauzas | MHO is that hard deleting actions when purging sounds good, but I leave ops ranting that | 21:38 |
sdague | oh, tha's kind of suck | 21:38 |
melwitt | that's unfortunate, IMO | 21:38 |
mriedem | yeah, another alternative is hard delete and assume ops are getting the notifications, and storing them, and storing them for long enough to be useful | 21:39 |
sdague | so, honestly, in my ideal world instance actions would work with deleted instances, and there would be a separate pruning mechanism there | 21:39 |
bauzas | from the API pov, a deleted instance is forgotten, so getting a list of actions is not possible | 21:39 |
mriedem | which imo is not a great assumption | 21:39 |
melwitt | and I'm not sure it was intentional. generally all the api does an instance lookup as a universal first step | 21:39 |
nic | I'm pretty sure it wasn't | 21:39 |
mriedem | melwitt: sdague: so fixing the os-instance-actions API is easy peasy | 21:39 |
bauzas | getting the list of actions for a deleted instance means an API change then | 21:39 |
nic | The deeltion action is recorded, just not accessible | 21:39 |
mriedem | yeah, but it's a simple one | 21:39 |
sdague | bauzas: GET /servers/details?changes-since... returns deleted instances | 21:40 |
mriedem | yup | 21:40 |
bauzas | sdague: sorry I meant os-instance-actions | 21:40 |
nic | sdague: that is highly useful information | 21:40 |
sdague | bauzas: right, I know | 21:40 |
mriedem | ctrath: is working on the purge change, | 21:40 |
mriedem | but i think that only purges soft deleted instances | 21:40 |
sdague | I was just saying we sometimes do return deleted in the API | 21:40 |
mriedem | yeah it has to be | 21:40 |
ctrath | right | 21:40 |
mriedem | but...we still have to start soft deleting instance actions then | 21:41 |
mriedem | for purge to do it's magic, or we have special logic when purging instances to also hard-delete instance_actions | 21:41 |
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mriedem | archive has the same issue | 21:41 |
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mriedem | so... | 21:41 |
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sdague | honestly, probably just take this back to the ML, everyone coffee up and see what can be figured out there. | 21:42 |
mriedem | or we punt and remove nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows and leave that up to the osops script that already exists :) | 21:42 |
bauzas | :) | 21:42 |
mriedem | sdague: yeah, it's in the ML | 21:42 |
mriedem | no takers | 21:42 |
mriedem | i'll add it to the ops meeting agenda | 21:42 |
sdague | mriedem: I'll throw in, I was chasing other fails today | 21:42 |
mriedem | #action mriedem to follow up in ops meeting about instance_actions problem | 21:43 |
Vek | try pushing the convo again after Thanksgiving? | 21:43 |
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mriedem | we can move on | 21:43 |
mriedem | PowerVM Driver Docs | 21:43 |
mriedem | thorst: ^ | 21:43 |
mriedem | from the agenda | 21:43 |
mriedem | "Nova core team has asked the PowerVM Drivers team to show users of the driver other than the large PowerVC use. We have some good queries and interest in it, and of course do significant testing with pure OpenStack. However, to encourage external use, we would like to have some official documentation on docs.openstack.org to help with operator comfort in using the driver." | 21:43 |
thorst | Yeah, we're building out our driver operator docs. We're hoping to get those hosted on docs.openstack.org | 21:43 |
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thorst | I'll paste the other paragraph | 21:44 |
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thorst | The Telemetry and Networking teams have recognized these projects as official sub-projects of their programs, allowing us to use the OpenStack docs and specs infrastructure. This leaves nova-powervm in a bit of a chicken/egg scenario: providing official docs is a big part of getting users, but becoming official requires users. | 21:44 |
sdague | right, you can't do that, you aren't openstack yet. | 21:44 |
sdague | I saw the merged patch for rtd earlier though | 21:44 |
thorst | right...so its just a bit of a chicken and egg scenario... | 21:44 |
thorst | and we're looking for guidance. | 21:44 |
sdague | so that's a thing | 21:44 |
sdague | rtd seems fine for now | 21:45 |
thorst | yeah. Its kinda a hack. | 21:45 |
mriedem | http://nova-powervm.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 21:45 |
thorst | personally, if I were an operator I'd be looking on docs.openstack.org. | 21:45 |
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tonyb | I'm not certain I buy the argument that bing on d.o.o will help but that's just me | 21:45 |
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sdague | tonyb: ++ | 21:46 |
sdague | this is out there, googleable | 21:46 |
mriedem | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nova-powervm+docs | 21:46 |
mriedem | it's the first result | 21:46 |
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sdague | yeh | 21:46 |
tonyb | add a ..note:: We're workign in/eith the commnity .... to the top of the docs it's easy to show | 21:46 |
mriedem | so i don't think docs.o.o is a major blocker | 21:47 |
sdague | agreed | 21:47 |
sdague | and it's done in such a way that moving to d.o.o later is pretty easy, so not much work wasted. | 21:47 |
thorst | alright. It was my hope that given our approach we could try to get the more official docs. But we'll continue to build out the docs here, merge it in to nova-powervm's git | 21:47 |
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thorst | yeah, not wasted work at all. Fully understand that. | 21:47 |
thorst | just want to find the best home for the work :-) | 21:47 |
sdague | so, one other open discussion item - live migration testing | 21:48 |
mriedem | go for it | 21:48 |
dansmith | I'm about to be needing some livemigration testing | 21:48 |
dansmith | because I'm effing up the rpc all over | 21:48 |
tonyb | thorst: git it in the openstack.ibm.com domain :D | 21:48 |
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tonyb | s/git/get/ | 21:48 |
sdague | tdurakov is building a multinode job dedicated to live migration testing the various configs | 21:48 |
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sdague | so it will actually start the services - run the live migration tests | 21:49 |
sdague | stop them, reconfigure a new backend, do it again | 21:49 |
dansmith | oh my | 21:49 |
sdague | so we can do no shared storage, block backed, ceph, and nfs in the same job | 21:49 |
tonyb | sdague: how long will that take? | 21:49 |
mriedem | and how easy it will be to tell which config failed? | 21:50 |
sdague | this is *only* going to run live migration tests | 21:50 |
sdague | mriedem: pretty easy, it will do them serial with output | 21:50 |
sdague | so it shouldn't bee too bad | 21:50 |
sdague | anyway, it's an idea | 21:50 |
sdague | and it's progressing | 21:50 |
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sdague | but it was worth a heads up | 21:50 |
mriedem | ok, there aren't that many live migration tests, | 21:51 |
mriedem | and several skip based on config | 21:51 |
sdague | that's what's going on with the nova/tests/live_migration dir | 21:51 |
mriedem | experimental queue right now too right | 21:51 |
sdague | yep | 21:51 |
dansmith | oh, | 21:51 |
mriedem | are cinder people helping with this? | 21:51 |
sdague | mriedem: not as of yet | 21:51 |
dansmith | so wait, don't we have one live migration test running in the regular multinode job? | 21:51 |
sdague | tdurakov is driving | 21:52 |
sdague | dansmith: we do | 21:52 |
dansmith | okay cool, thought so | 21:52 |
sdague | and that's fine | 21:52 |
dansmith | there are more in experimental? or no? | 21:52 |
dansmith | sdague: I'm asking out of selfish need for my current set, is all | 21:52 |
dansmith | thought there was at least one I could run | 21:52 |
sdague | but having a dedicated job where we could expand and do some grey box poking made sense | 21:52 |
dansmith | yes yes | 21:52 |
sdague | dansmith: this is in experimental | 21:52 |
sdague | it's still pretty raw | 21:52 |
mriedem | is the current multi-node job stable? | 21:52 |
sdague | mriedem: no | 21:52 |
dansmith | sdague: oh, already? | 21:52 |
sdague | dansmith: yes, but I don't know if it's working really yet | 21:53 |
mriedem | dansmith: yeah, remember me harassing tdurakov yesterday | 21:53 |
sdague | he's making good progress though | 21:53 |
dansmith | okay | 21:53 |
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mriedem | if the existing job is non-voting and failing, it's going to be hard to tell if dansmith's changes break it | 21:53 |
sdague | mriedem: having grenade multinode voting is going to keep some fundamental multinode stuff from backsliding | 21:53 |
dansmith | mriedem: well, the fails for my patch set will be pretty specific | 21:54 |
sdague | mriedem: well, you can read the test results | 21:54 |
dansmith | mriedem: just fail to ping at the end is not related to my stuff most likely | 21:54 |
mriedem | booooring! | 21:54 |
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mriedem | yeah i suppose | 21:54 |
mriedem | ok, anything else on this? | 21:54 |
sdague | the current multinode needs some love, shelf is one of the trouble makers, I don't know the others | 21:54 |
sdague | nope | 21:54 |
mriedem | shelve huh | 21:54 |
dansmith | shelve | 21:54 |
mriedem | seems we were just taling about that | 21:54 |
mriedem | *talking | 21:55 |
mriedem | ok, let's end 5 min EARLY | 21:55 |
mriedem | ta | 21:55 |
mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 21:55:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-19-21.00.html | 21:55 |
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dansmith | 5 minutes is not really early | 21:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-19-21.00.txt | 21:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-19-21.00.log.html | 21:55 |
rawlin | Before this meeting ends, I'm trying to bring some core attention to #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198054/ "Disable IPv6 on bridge devices". It currently has three +1s and has been in review for quite some time now (PS1 was on July 2, 2015). The functional change is 7 lines and fixes a potential security risk. | 21:55 |
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haleyb | rawlin: +1 to that as the neutron one for linuxbridge merged yesterday | 21:56 |
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