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| dhellmann | ttx: o/ | 14:12 |
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| ttx | hola | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 13 14:12:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is near the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | #topic actions from last week | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last week (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:13 | |
| dhellmann | - Propose stable team split (ttx) | 14:13 |
| ttx | That was proposed. I just posted a summary | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | cool, I haven't seen that yet but I'll look for it | 14:13 |
| ttx | I think most of the objections are mostly about skepticism that this won't change a thing, rather than opposition to the change | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | that was my impression, too | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | how many of the folks chiming in are actually active on stable work? | 14:14 |
| ttx | Personally I think the teams are already split in effect, we just diempower them by not giving them their own identity | 14:14 |
| ttx | disempower* | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 14:14 |
| ttx | so setting them up as their own team can only be positive | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | we need to get the folks involved to actually set up a team, though :-) | 14:15 |
| ttx | The only potential negative is if they start getting wild about what they have authority over | 14:15 |
| ttx | like thinking they can unilaterally expand support periods | 14:15 |
| ttx | I'll just make it clear that this is a cross-project decision and needs support from Infra and QA | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, next up | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | - follow-up to reno thread on ML with instructions for multi-repo deliverable projects (dhellmann) | 14:16 |
| ttx | So Erno volunteered to lead, I'm taking names | 14:16 |
| ttx | I think we have enough people | 14:16 |
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| ttx | Coming from the stable liaisons ranks | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ah, right, Jokke_ did tell me he was going to be active on the work | 14:16 |
| ttx | more deeply embedded in openstack dev than the first generation, which came from packagers | 14:17 |
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| ttx | (1st gen would be Daviey, apevec...) | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:17 |
| ttx | so rebooting the effort could actually prove a great move | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | ihar has been very active on it, too | 14:17 |
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| ttx | right | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | stable-maint 2.0 (note the semver major version bump) | 14:18 |
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| ttx | ok, next topic | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | - follow-up to reno thread on ML with instructions for multi-repo deliverable projects (dhellmann) | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | I did that, and answered a few more questions. rollout so far has been pretty good. | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | - contact stackalytics maintainers about possible breakage (dhellmann) | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like we don't need to worry, but I submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244142/ just in case | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | oh, and that merged | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | - reschedule the meeting 1 hr later (dhellmann) | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | done (and here we are) | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | #topic urgent releases | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "urgent releases (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:20 | |
| dhellmann | mordred suggested we find a way to flag releases that are urgent in some way, aside from using IRC. Maybe a special topic? | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | pinging us in this room is good too, but he and I were not aligned in timezones and I missed his ping the first time | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | toughts? | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | thoughts even | 14:21 |
| mordred | wee | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | whatever we do, it would be good to be able to add a special section to the review dashboard | 14:22 |
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| mordred | yeah - my last 'priority' release wasn't THAT priority, but it did make me thnk that in a real priority there was no _good_ way to signal that | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's a good point. I've been less responsive the last 2 weeks since the summit. That should settle down some, except we're entering US holiday season soon, too. | 14:22 |
| * dhellmann wonders if we lost ttx | 14:23 | |
| ttx | nope | 14:23 |
| ttx | I think the easiest is to ping on channel | 14:24 |
| ttx | me, dims, dhellmann | 14:24 |
| ttx | I check IRC pings more often than topics on the reviews | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | hmm, yeah | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's stick with irc pings for now and give that more thought | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #topic priority code reviews | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority code reviews (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:26 | |
| dhellmann | I have one doc review I wanted to add to this list | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | - Add documentation to the project team guide for setting up release notes builds: https://review.openstack.org/244279 | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I suspect we'll have more reviews in the next week or so when we start dealing with tool changes | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx, do you have anything open that needs attention? | 14:27 |
| ttx | nope, I'm sorting out Solum | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | #topic releases.openstack.org vs. docs.o.o/releases | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases.openstack.org vs. docs.o.o/releases (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:27 | |
| dhellmann | you brought this up in email, and I like the idea. I'm not sure how much effort is involved in moving everything, though | 14:28 |
| ttx | so I proposed this because I think the releases site will become a major destination | 14:28 |
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| ttx | and it's really not doc | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | would we move release notes under this domain, too? or just the content of the releases repository? | 14:29 |
| ttx | it's also easier to communicate, since apparently a lot of people still don't know about it (including PTLs) | 14:29 |
| ttx | dhellmann: both options are on the table. I don't mind if the notes end up in docs and are linked from the main site | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, AJaeger just finished making the publishing job for the notes work to the site where it's going now. I suppose moving them is a relatively simple config change, once we have the new domain set up. | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | I could see them continuing to live in docs.o.o though | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann check with infra about the difficulty of moving the release repo publish site to a new domain | 14:31 |
| ttx | We could also use a slightly-less doc-oriented sphinx theme | 14:31 |
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| ttx | i.e. less table of contents, less "releases 0.0.1.dev420 documentation" | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | yes, I agree. it would be nice to have a good looking site. | 14:32 |
| ttx | not urgent at all | 14:32 |
| ttx | there is the question of whether we should keep the instructions there | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | we could put those in the project-team-guide | 14:33 |
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| ttx | they sounds like they are for a different audience | 14:33 |
| ttx | right | 14:33 |
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| ttx | anyway, that's not urgent work. But would be great to have it done for mitaka release | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll add it to the plan | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann add details about moving release publishing to the mitaka plan | 14:34 |
| ttx | cool, happy to help with some bots of that effort | 14:34 |
| ttx | or bits | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | that's all I see on the agenda | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:34 |
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| ttx | short agenda++ | 14:34 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: so I'm traveling Tuesday-Thursday | 14:35 |
| * Jokke_ has been lurking | 14:35 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: ack | 14:35 |
| Jokke_ | happy to hear that you're not planning to just disappear ttx | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | Jokke_ : hi! | 14:35 |
| ttx | I'll still be around for the TC meeting | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll make a note to ensure I'm at the project meeting | 14:36 |
| Jokke_ | ttx: I was more ref to your mail around helping the stable work | 14:36 |
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| Jokke_ | not like "It's your's now, Bye!" | 14:36 |
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| ttx | Jokke_: yes, I want to help in the spin off until the team stands on both its legs | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | I wonder if we should ask the folks who are on that team to re-affirm that they are interested in participating? | 14:37 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that's what my email is about | 14:37 |
| Jokke_ | perfect ... In that case I'm still willing to take the lead now when I have time to dedicate to that if community approves | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ah, ok, I'll stop suggesting things until I read that thread :-) | 14:37 |
| Jokke_ | dhellmann: ttx ++ | 14:37 |
| ttx | I want to reboot the team so that there is more of a culture of being present and active | 14:38 |
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| ttx | because current presence requirements fro stable-maint-core are pretty low | 14:38 |
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| ttx | I prefer a team of 3 active people to a team of 12 zombies | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | I'd also like to be able to hand of the task of reminding projects to cut releases from stable branches, if that turns into a problem | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:39 |
| Jokke_ | and last thing I want to see anyone doing is piss off the sacred few who knows the voodoo of fixing gate and are using it | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | agreed | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like we're done for today, then | 14:39 |
| Jokke_ | and the other thing I'd like to ask from you | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | oops, not yet... | 14:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: they are still our team :) | 14:40 |
| Jokke_ | either of you have time after closing to help Fausto with the Freezer Branching? | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ? | 14:41 |
| ttx | I think he is on #openstack-release asking already | 14:41 |
| Jokke_ | oh cool, sorry then | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | Jokke_ : I gave him some guidance. I can create the branch if he needs me to do that. | 14:41 |
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| Jokke_ | dhellmann: yeah I was looking it with him and it looks like he doesn't have the rights to do it himself | 14:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we need to atlk about stable in our meeting since stable is still part of our project team until we spin them out | 14:41 |
| ttx | anyway, I think we are done :) | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: oh, right, of course | 14:42 |
| Jokke_ | by me thanks | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think that's it for today | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | have a good weekend | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | ! | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 13 14:42:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| Jokke_ | same to both of you | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-13-14.12.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-13-14.12.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-13-14.12.log.html | 14:42 |
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