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| fifieldt | anyone here for ops tags? | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | to be honest, I'm totally not in a state to run this meeting :) | 14:02 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 15:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
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| fabiog | hi | 15:00 |
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| prad | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | let's say this is enough since i see a bunch of other names present. | 15:02 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
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| gordc | so we cut liberty 2 this morning | 15:02 |
| gordc | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/liberty-2 | 15:02 |
| gordc | the above is what was included. had to defer a few things since gate is what it is and nothing is getting in any time soon | 15:03 |
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| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/liberty | 15:03 |
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| gordc | we seem pretty well on track for liberty... for the remaining open items please let someone know if there's any issues. | 15:03 |
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| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gordc | for anyone who wants to add a bp, start yelling loudly soon or it definitely won't get in. | 15:04 |
| gordc | anyone have items related to remaining open bps? | 15:04 |
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| gordc | i'll take 20s constant silence as nothing... if you have something that needs more than 20s typing, type jibberish first and i'll hold. | 15:06 |
| gordc | next! | 15:06 |
| gordc | recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:06 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: ceilometerclient release? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:06 | |
| gordc | i think the only thing we added was aodh support which i don't believe we're ready for yet... cdent did you have aodh gating? | 15:07 |
| gordc | with integration tests. | 15:07 |
| cdent | there's been work by both me and sileht to get some aodh gating | 15:07 |
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| gordc | i've seen some check experimentals floating around | 15:08 |
| cdent | given the state of the gate it has been hard to track the check experimental stuff that I've been trying (to make sure the infra change is kosher) | 15:08 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:08 |
| cdent | I've yet to see the results of one | 15:08 |
| sileht | I have write a full autoscaling scenario with gabbi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207137/ | 15:08 |
| cdent | that ^ is pretty darn sweet | 15:09 |
| gordc | we'll just hold off on ceilometerclient release for now... let me know if you need new release next week. | 15:09 |
| sileht | That can be run on aodh/gnocchi/ceilometer repository | 15:09 |
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| gordc | sileht: it doesn't need new ceilometerclient rihgt? | 15:09 |
| gordc | right* | 15:09 |
| sileht | gordc, nop it uses the server side redirection | 15:09 |
| gordc | sileht: cool cool. | 15:09 |
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| gordc | i guess nothing else is needed for ceilometerclient. | 15:10 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: Gnocchi status (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:10 | |
| gordc | ityaptin: i'm just starting to test the influxdb patch | 15:10 |
| gordc | ityaptin: is that all ready for review? | 15:10 |
| gordc | cdent: sileht: any other items? or just waiting on the ceilometer dispatcher fixes to get in. | 15:11 |
| cdent | there's ongoing test, debug, fix cycles going on | 15:11 |
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| sileht | nothing except bugs fixing | 15:11 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: afaik, yes. pinging Ilya now | 15:12 |
| gordc | _nadya_: thanks! | 15:12 |
| ityaptin | gordc: hi! | 15:12 |
| cdent | it's pretty clear there are going to be bugs and missing features that we continue to discover during this period of increased "let's try it in devstack!" | 15:12 |
| gordc | ityaptin: ^ few lines up... is the influx driver ready for testing | 15:12 |
| ityaptin | gordc: Yes, most part of gnocchi functional is implemented. | 15:12 |
| gordc | :) | 15:12 |
| sileht | I have discovered a issue with gnocchi: | 15:13 |
| gordc | :( | 15:13 |
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| sileht | https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnocchi/+bug/1479429 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479429 in Gnocchi "aggregation: issue when one of the resource is no more updated" [Undecided,New] | 15:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479429 in gnocchi "aggregation: issue when one of the resource is no more updated" [Undecided,New] | 15:13 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479429 in gnocchi "aggregation: issue when one of the resource is no more updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479429 | 15:13 |
| sileht | I have not yet a solution | 15:13 |
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| sileht | it's a bad behavior of 'across metric aggregation' code | 15:14 |
| gordc | sileht: is that driver specific or will affect all drivers no matter what? | 15:14 |
| gordc | ie only canonical driver? | 15:14 |
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| sileht | gordc, it's something that need to be fixed in carbonara | 15:14 |
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| gordc | kk so it theorectically should not affect ityaptin's influxdb driver | 15:15 |
| sileht | I dont' think so | 15:15 |
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| gordc | cool cool. hopes not | 15:15 |
| gordc | ityaptin: you might just want to watch out for that bug anyways | 15:15 |
| gordc | ityaptin: do you know what is missing from influxdb driver currently? | 15:16 |
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| gordc | or is it too long to list? | 15:16 |
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| ityaptin | 1. It doesn't support metricd, we process ts data in realtime | 15:17 |
| cdent | jd__ reported that some tests are still failing in his test runs using it | 15:17 |
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| cdent | but that might be caught up by now | 15:17 |
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| ityaptin | 2. cross_metric_measures is not implemented yet | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | 3. Some tests failing caused by sqlalchemy unexpected (by me) behavior | 15:18 |
| gordc | ityaptin: kk. are any of those issues blocked? | 15:19 |
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| gordc | ityaptin: let us know i guess. or if you need resources to work on the remaining issues. | 15:21 |
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| gordc | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:21 |
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| ityaptin | gordc: cross_metric_measures is in progress and jd is looking to sqlalchemy issue | 15:22 |
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| gordc | ityaptin: awesome! | 15:22 |
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| gordc | let's move on and revisit later if needed. | 15:22 |
| gordc | #topic to set pre-define choices or not to set pre-define choices | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "to set pre-define choices or not to set pre-define choices (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:22 | |
| gordc | thorst1: i don't know if you want to explain this. or i can | 15:23 |
| thorst1 | Sure, I can give a bit of background | 15:23 |
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| gordc | :) | 15:23 |
| thorst1 | A recent change ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203319/ ) limits the compute inspectors to JUST what is specified in the list. | 15:23 |
| thorst1 | currently that list is just what is in tree. | 15:23 |
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| thorst1 | Moving forward, Ceilometer is going to a plugin/entry point approach. But every addition would still require an in-tree change in ceilometer to support that | 15:24 |
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| thorst1 | So the question is - is that the right approach? It would allow Ceilometer to state what is 'blessed', but for operators/developers looking to make their own they would be limited. | 15:25 |
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| gordc | so the choices are to continue and Ceilometer is a validator of drivers (even those out of tree), or just let anyone plug in | 15:25 |
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| thorst1 | One question I had while I was thinking about this... Do we think that there are operators writing custom inspectors for their clouds? | 15:26 |
| gordc | thorst1: tbh, since we talked i sort of swayed and i don't see much value in curating list of validated drivers | 15:26 |
| _nadya_ | hmm, "blessed" means "what is better libvirt or vmware" ? | 15:26 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: blessed == validated == it meets some criteria | 15:27 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok, I see | 15:27 |
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| gordc | thorst1: probably not but who knows... i guess that was the point of plugin system | 15:28 |
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| gordc | llu might have a better idea as he's the compute person... but he's not here today. | 15:29 |
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| gordc | it seems like no one has a strong opinion. | 15:29 |
| gordc | ildikov: ^ if you do. | 15:29 |
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| thorst1 | well, I think its better to move to an approach of listing them in the help...but with plugins, I don't think it makes sense to enforce so strongly | 15:30 |
| cdent | I think we should list them in the core code at all | 15:30 |
| cdent | shouldn't! | 15:30 |
| cdent | sorry | 15:30 |
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| gordc | thorst1: agreed. we can just say "these are known inspectors" | 15:30 |
| cdent | because otherwise it gets out sync | 15:30 |
| gordc | cdent: hmm | 15:31 |
| cdent | if we do list, then we should list the core ones (in the help string) but also make it clear that external ones are possible | 15:31 |
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| thorst1 | could say something like that and to refer to the wiki for the current list? | 15:31 |
| thorst1 | for the current *known* list that is | 15:32 |
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| thorst1 | if that approach is OK, I can take the TODO to propose that change? | 15:33 |
| * cdent looks at gordc | 15:33 | |
| cdent | is cool to me | 15:33 |
| gordc | thorst1: let's maybe start with just listing it in help for now... and if someone complains on patch, we can think about wiki | 15:33 |
| thorst1 | cool | 15:33 |
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| gordc | i don't want to maintain wiki... or it should be generally applied to all driver options | 15:34 |
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| gordc | thorst1: thanks for bringing it up | 15:34 |
| thorst1 | thank you! | 15:34 |
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| gordc | cool, next topic. | 15:35 |
| gordc | #topic M Midcycle: Dublin need to get dates picked (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer/M*_Mid-Cycle) | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "M Midcycle: Dublin need to get dates picked (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer/M*_Mid-Cycle) (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:35 | |
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| gordc | i assume this is jasonamyers | 15:35 |
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| jasonamyers | YES! | 15:35 |
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| jasonamyers | I really want to have a in person midcycle this time | 15:35 |
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| jasonamyers | I won't be able to make Tokyo | 15:36 |
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| jasonamyers | so I'm hoping that we can get together in Dublin in late November early December | 15:36 |
| * cdent wonders if travel grants can be done on a nomination basis | 15:36 | |
| jasonamyers | I have a pool up at http://doodle.com/hmukqwzvq7b54cef | 15:37 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: expense tokyo as development machine. | 15:37 |
| jasonamyers | haha gordc | 15:37 |
| jasonamyers | or a poll whatever | 15:37 |
| cdent | actually I agree with jasonamyers: I think the midcyle is likely more important than tokyo in terms of getting real work moving | 15:37 |
| jasonamyers | anyway If you can come get together sometime during that window it would be awesome | 15:37 |
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| jasonamyers | Cisco is going to host and sponsor foods etc | 15:37 |
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| jasonamyers | I'm open to moving in to late November it's just hard to avoid thanksgiving in the US | 15:38 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: are we targeting 3 days? | 15:38 |
| gordc | or 2? | 15:38 |
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| jasonamyers | whatever people want to do | 15:38 |
| jasonamyers | I'm going to go for a week | 15:38 |
| gordc | eglynn: you remember how long paris midcycle was? 2? | 15:39 |
| jasonamyers | so if people want to meet for a few days and hack for a few we can do that | 15:39 |
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| jasonamyers | It's important to have some dates by Aug 18th for ildikov | 15:39 |
| jasonamyers | if I remember correctly | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | 3 days long IIRC | 15:40 |
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| gordc | eglynn: yeah. seems like it... let's work around assumption it's 2 or 3 days long. so you can budget | 15:40 |
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| gordc | errr second part of above sentence was general ^ | 15:41 |
| gordc | cool. thanks for the info and offering to host jasonamyers | 15:41 |
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| gordc | i'll take it that there's no more questions about midcycle. | 15:42 |
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| gordc | #topic promote tokyo topics & open discussion | 15:42 |
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| gordc | we did this last time but feel free to blast your tokyo summit talks now... | 15:42 |
| gordc | no guarantee anyone will read or vote. | 15:42 |
| thorst1 | Power team has a few that we've proposed :-) | 15:43 |
| thorst1 | https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4300 | 15:43 |
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| thorst1 | and a multi hypervisor one as well: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4287 | 15:43 |
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| cdent | it's hard to beat "POWER TEAM" as a team name | 15:43 |
| jasonamyers | haha | 15:44 |
| gordc | cdent: ibm has good branding. | 15:44 |
| thorst1 | :-) | 15:44 |
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| gordc | talk about declarative/pluggable ceilometer: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4685 | 15:45 |
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| gordc | talk about performance testing: https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/5102 | 15:45 |
| gordc | and that's my self plug | 15:45 |
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| prad | me and Ildiko's : https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4446 | 15:46 |
| gordc | there's quite a few ceilometer talks if you search on it... from various users which might be interesting for devs to check out. | 15:46 |
| prad | Aodh one from jd https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4060 | 15:46 |
| gordc | cool cool. so the rest is open discussion now | 15:47 |
| gordc | not sure if anyone has additional items to raise... | 15:47 |
| jasonamyers | I just wanna send a word of thanks you all for helping me get the blueprint code in | 15:47 |
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| jasonamyers | I know it was annoying to have so much hand holding, but I really appreciate it | 15:48 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: thanks for the work | 15:48 |
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| gordc | just so you know, if it's broken or anything around it is broken, you are now first to blame. | 15:49 |
| gordc | basically anything related to pollsters is now on you.lol | 15:49 |
| jasonamyers | HA | 15:49 |
| jasonamyers | but sure | 15:49 |
| * cdent dodges a bullet | 15:49 | |
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| gordc | last person who touches it. | 15:49 |
| cdent | I was sure that no transform thing made everything my fault | 15:49 |
| gordc | your batch patch is not in yet. so i guess it's back on you. | 15:50 |
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| gordc | anything else? | 15:50 |
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| gordc | we can continue to git blame at openstack-ceilometer. | 15:51 |
| gordc | thanks folks | 15:51 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 15:51:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-30-15.00.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-30-15.00.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-30-15.00.log.html | 15:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | hi | 16:01 |
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| bobh | o/ | 16:01 |
| natarajk | hi | 16:01 |
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| jhorton | hi | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets give a min.. will start shortly | 16:01 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Sure | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | lets start | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:03 |
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| * sridhar_ram that didn't start | 16:03 | |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 16:04:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair bobh | 16:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_July_29.2C_2015 | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Currently ETSI NFV #11 conference / meeting is in progress in San Jose | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link http://webapp.etsi.org/MeetingCalendar/MeetingDetails.asp?mid=15918 | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker was introduced this forum in Tuesday's Plenary session | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | *to this forum | 16:07 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: cool | 16:07 |
| Rajkumar_ | Great | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | the subgroup handling MANO is IFA WG and it was interesting to see how the next revision (Phase 2) of MANO is evolving | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: Rajkumar_: thanks | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker Midcycle meetup is on Aug 20 - 21st | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070948.html | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please update the etherpad if you planning to attend | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else to announce from the team | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | ? | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | BTW, it was nice to see we came a full circle with the engagement with ETSI NFV IFA working group | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Health Monitoring | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: please take over.. | 16:11 |
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| bobh | I split the health monitoring into two specs - just uploaded this morning | 16:12 |
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| bobh | I realized I probably should have put them in different reviews, so let me know if you want me to do that | 16:12 |
| Rajkumar_ | Hi - Please share us the link | 16:12 |
| Rajkumar_ | where its uploaded. | 16:13 |
| bobh | #link https://review.openstack.org/202126 | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: yes, it should go into two separate review | 16:13 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: ok, I'll split it up | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks | 16:14 |
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| bobh | the driver module basics should be pretty easy to implement - just copying from the mgmt_driver and changing as needed | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree | 16:14 |
| bobh | I'd like to get started on that, so please review and let me know if there are any glaring holes or errors | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | the "interfaces" between the main life-cycle piece and the health-mon is what I'm curious about | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | team -please review the spec! | 16:16 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'll need to take a look at the existing interface and see if it can be extended easily | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: yeah, we should even atleast callout the existing interface for the record | 16:17 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: ok - will do | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | btw - there is a setting called "boot_wait" in tacker .. this is a param that is used as a cool-down timer before monitoring starts | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | currently this is a tacker.conf setting | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | I believe it should move to something that is per VNF .. | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. or even per VDU | 16:19 |
| vishwana_ | Is there a documentation link that explains these settings? | 16:19 |
| bobh | probably VDU, though it could be inherited | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwana_: no, that's a whole different talk we need to talk .. about Documentation | 16:20 |
| vishwana_ | ok | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | we need something by end of Liberty...hopefully coinciding with our L-release | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, inheritable is possible for some VNF with uniform VDUs | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | BTW, ETSI IFA has a whole section on Healing ... | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | Sat through that session yesterday where they talk about Remediation and Recovery... | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'll try to get some pointers .. may be added to our wiki | 16:23 |
| s3wong | sorry, very late today | 16:23 |
| * sridhar_ram is now the official ETSI-Tacker liason :) | 16:23 | |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: np | 16:23 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: will read the log after meeting ended | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sure | 16:24 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: at least ETSI NFV team is now aware of Tacker :-) | 16:24 |
| vishwana_ | +1 | 16:24 |
| natarajk | +1 | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | absolutely.. had a nice discussion w/ the IFA co-chairs yesterday | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm still digesting the boat of materials ... will try to bring them back to this team | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | *boat load | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: anything else on health-mon ? | 16:26 |
| bobh | I think that's it for now | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright ... | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | btw, as it is emerging, health-mon is probably one of the key Tacker L release deliverable.. | 16:27 |
| bobh | so no pressure.... | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | it will be cool to demo healing happening using multiple "methods" | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: :) | 16:27 |
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| sripriya_ | :-) | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: we have enough hands here to help .. so don't worry ;-) | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | alright, now w/ that (!) .. let move on .. | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic MANO API update | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: any update from your side ? | 16:28 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i need to read through the link you posted in the comment of the spec review | 16:29 |
| sripriya_ | http://docbox.etsi.org/ISG/NFV/Open/Published/gs_NFV-SWA001v010101p%20-%20Virtual%20Network%20Functions%20Architecture.pdf | 16:29 |
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| sripriya_ | if you can give a brief overview of the VNF states and how it affects REST API that will be great | 16:30 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i will read through the doc this week | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: yes. Related to this API work, I think we need to document Tacker's VNF life-cycle flow as a state-machine diagram .. | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | many of those state transition would end up as an API | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | at least we would be doing the MANO API work with come context vis-Ã -vis the ETSI's view of things | 16:32 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: how would the states transition as an API end-point? right now it is vnf and vnfd and CRUD on these two resources | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | APIs always operate on Resource objects | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | IMO the state transition will just turn into the "action" | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | not all, but many of them.. | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else Sripriya ? | 16:37 |
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| * sridhar_ram that came in the reverse order | 16:37 | |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: so the API response would contain the action state | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | API response would contain the action "outcome" | 16:38 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i will look in to the doc and try to understand how that would map to the current implementation of response | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: sounds good | 16:39 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: as we are going to just write a wrapper around servicevm | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | team - please comment on the MANO API spec. if you are satisfied leave a +1 as an ack | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: sure, understood | 16:40 |
| vishwana_ | sripriya_, do you mind sharing the link to the spec heer | 16:40 |
| vishwana_ | heer --> here | 16:40 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Yes please | 16:40 |
| sripriya_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204926/ | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: btw, looks finally that jenkins error got fixed | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks to bobh perhaps ? | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on | 16:42 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: thanks to bobh for fixing the liberty spec error, i just did a recheck on my spec and it got fixed | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | cool | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Testing Update | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | First, update my side... well, mostly apologies ;-) | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | I've been doing these conference runs last many weeks... | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | will try to get the skeleton test run soon | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | we also need some volunteers to contribute tests to Tacker | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | please reach out if you've some bandwidth | 16:45 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i plan to take some | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: thanks a lot | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | in fact we would soon start accepting patchsets only with tests ... | 16:47 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: we should do that for sure | 16:47 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:48 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: but since we haven't gotten the framework in place, kind of unreasonable for us to reject patches without UT... | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | there is no easy answer to go back the existing code and add testcases ... given we have so much in the backlog | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: well, I think we were in that super sprint towards Vancouver | 16:49 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: py27 hasn't even been enabled yet in tox.ini :-) | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | now we got to pull back and get back into the best practices wagon | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yeah, I'll enable it soon with some skeletal tests | 16:50 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: OK | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: please plan some test coverage for the health-mon piece as well | 16:51 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: will do | 16:51 |
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| * sridhar_ram noting it is 10 mins mark | 16:51 | |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else to talk on Testing ? | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Bugs | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | we have a problem here.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | the bug count is too low .. given many of them got knocked off ;-) | 16:53 |
| s3wong | big problem indeed... | 16:54 |
| bobh | I can make it even lower if I get a couple of my patchsets submitted | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | LOL | 16:54 |
| sripriya_ | bobh is the cause :P | 16:54 |
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| bobh | I'm on vacation next week so you can get it back up again :-) | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | my side conversions show there are lot more people trying out Tacker .. | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | I'd welcome any bugs they would write.. | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | truly appreciated | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| s3wong | yeah, it would be great to get users to file some bugs... | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | quick shout out to any new folks joining Tacker .. | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | please introduce yourself.. | 16:56 |
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| s3wong | nobody? :-) | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: they might be busy writing new bugs.. ;-) | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | that's it .. lets wrap up | 16:57 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that would be good :-) | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | have a nice rest of the week folks! | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 16:58:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-30-16.04.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-30-16.04.txt | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-30-16.04.log.html | 16:58 |
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| mtreinish | #starmeeting qa | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 17:06:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | oops | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | sry, I lost track of time | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | who's here today? | 17:06 |
| dpaterson | o/ | 17:06 |
| jordanP | o/ | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_July_30th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz, sdague: around? | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | Does anyone have any open specs reviews to discuss today? | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:08 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/94473 | 17:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: we should really decide what to do with this | 17:09 |
| dkranz | config_tempest | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | well, I thought you had a POC whatever happened to that? | 17:10 |
| dkranz | I am going to be adding test-accounts and configuring as non-admin | 17:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, it is still there, and improving | 17:10 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: But I don't think we have defined what needs to be done for it to be accepted | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, well the thing with that spec is it hasn't seen an update since Dec. and there wasn't agreement there | 17:11 |
| dpaterson | dkranz: is your script to be used as a jumpstart to implement bp? | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: do you want to take a new wack at a spec (either take that over or a new patch) based on your script | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | s/wack/whack/ | 17:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I will do that, and add the non-admin/test-accounts stuff | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok cool | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs to discuss? | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | I guess not, then let's move on | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an in progress bp to discuss | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | or give an update on? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | well I wanted to discuss the tempest external plugin one | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | there are 2 patches up right now, one for the last interface I think we need and one for docs | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/external-plugin-interface,n,z | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | once those land all that we need in the tempest tree are some basic unit tests to cover things | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: is still working on the manila side I think | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | but once that's working (and running in the gate) I'll take it to the ML | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | I'm wondering if after the doc patches lands whether this warrants a tag or not? | 17:17 |
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| jordanP | I am reading this, but I have no idea :) | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: heh, ok | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | we've always said we'd push additional tags for dev milestones in tempest, but we've only done it once which was for the removal of xml testing | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | so I was just wondering if we want to plan to push tempest-6 for the plugin interface when we close the bp | 17:20 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: is a sample plugin implementation included? | 17:20 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: we did say this but seems like it is really only needed for major *removals* | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | or we can wait until the end of the cycle | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but it could not hurt either | 17:20 |
| jordanP | exaclty, "removal" | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah it doesn't really matter one way or the other I guess | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: well we're using manila as an example, mkoderer is working on that | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | I'm fine with saying just for major removals | 17:21 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: seems a tag would be good if the feature is considered complete | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | which the plugin interface will likely prompt :) | 17:22 |
| mrodden | its good to version your interfaces in general... but i wouldn't tag until you know someone needs it | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | mrodden: that's a good point | 17:22 |
| mrodden | i.e. until someone is using the interface basically | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | yeah, right now there is no one | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | it's in progress | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | well, we can discuss it again when things are more complete | 17:23 |
| dpaterson | so when manila is done tag it perhaps? | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | it was just something I was thinking about | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: sure that probably makes sense | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps to discuss? | 17:24 |
| mrodden | that makes sense to me. | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Tempest sample config check job (mtreinish) | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | so this was something I wanted to talk about briefly | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | I'm sure people have noticed that basically every week oslo has been pushing releases now | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | which when they include config changes breaks our sample check job | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | causing a gate backup until we fix it | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | I pushed up a patch to stop gating on config options in oslo here: | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/206227 | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | the tradeoff there is that we need options for some oslo libs to make tempest work | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | so I leveraged tempest init to generate a new sample config on the fly using oslo libs too | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | I just wanted to discuss the approach and see if people were ok with an in-tree sample thats missing the oslo opts | 17:27 |
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| jordanP | this means the issuing "tempest init" will be required ? | 17:27 |
| jordanP | s/the/that/ | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | not really, you can still do things out of the tree, but if you do cp tempest.conf.sample tempest.conf | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | you'll have to know to add the oslo opts manually | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | since they won't be there | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | although tempest init will make it easier | 17:28 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish should tempest.conf.sample be depricated in favor if generating on init always/ | 17:29 |
| jordanP | how are other projects dealing with that ? (oslo config changes) | 17:29 |
| dkranz | jordanP: many projects stopped generating sample conf | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: most projects have dropped in tree sample files because of the oslo thing | 17:29 |
| jordanP | ok | 17:29 |
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| dkranz | jordanP: they just tell you to run 'tox -egenconfig' basically | 17:30 |
| jordanP | then I agree with dpaterson then. | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: well, I thought the user feedback was that there was value for having an in tree file | 17:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: There is! | 17:30 |
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| jordanP | I don't think providing a broken sample config is a good approach | 17:30 |
| dpaterson | but if it's always out of sync not super helpful | 17:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but users don't have to deal with keeping up with the breakage | 17:30 |
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| dkranz | out of sync, but there, is not an option IMO | 17:31 |
| mrodden | i like the idea of tempest init generate it | 17:31 |
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| mrodden | also i think maybe the requirement is having an updated posted somewhere? | 17:31 |
| mrodden | so maybe generate one with the docs? | 17:31 |
| mrodden | an up-to-date sample posted somewhere* | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | mrodden: yeah that's what my other thought was make it part of the docs publish post job | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mrodden: ++ | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure how hard that would be | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | does someone want to investigate it? | 17:32 |
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| mrodden | yeah might be a sphinx plugin at worst | 17:32 |
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| mrodden | i can see if i can look into it | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | mrodden: ok, cool thanks | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | #action mrodden to look into getting sample configs in docs | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok, was there anything else to discuss on this? | 17:33 |
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| jordanP | so it means with are deprecating the sample config in tree ? | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | are people ok with my patch in the short term | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: yeah, I think that's what we're moving towards | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | so we wont have it in tree when we have a doc publish option | 17:34 |
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| jordanP | mtreinish, with your patch, the sample config will be incomplete ou plain broken ? | 17:36 |
| dkranz | jordanP: incomplete, missing oslo | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | yeah, just incomplete | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | well, in the interest of time I think we need to move on | 17:37 |
| jordanP | yup | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | I'll bring this up on the ML to get some wider opinions on this | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on devstack this week? | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | I don't think dtroyer is around | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | I did want to bring up this patch: | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/207247 | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | which was something we forgot to do at the kilo release | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | luckily it hasn't come up :) | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | ok, well if there isn't anything else lets move on | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:40 |
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| jordanP | I thing the patch is good :) | 17:40 |
| jordanP | (required) | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: heh, thanks | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on grenade this week? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ^^^ ? | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I guess not :) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get additional eyes on? | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/206643 will clear one of the two failing periodic jobs | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206643/ | 17:43 |
| dkranz | Already has a +2 | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | dpaterson: your cleanup patch needs a rebase but would be really good to get that in | 17:44 |
| dpaterson | Yup | 17:45 |
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| dpaterson | Got hammered this week trying to rebase and fix today with luck | 17:45 |
| dkranz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204230/ | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | ok, yeah I'll try to take a look at that again | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | thanks for splitting up per my suggestion | 17:46 |
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| Luz_ | nice :-) | 17:46 |
| dpaterson | this one would be good to get merged: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203876/ | 17:46 |
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| jordanP | it's not critical at all (the oposite): what about the patch series that adds unit tests to clients ? I don't see a lot of value in those, but they don"t hurt either... | 17:47 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203876/ is another part of the split, neutron related only | 17:47 |
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| dkranz | jordanP: I had some issues with the way that is being done and what the intent is | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok, yeah I'll review that soon | 17:47 |
| dkranz | jordanP: the code to value ratio seems quite low | 17:47 |
| jordanP | dkranz, yeah I saw your comment. I kinda agree with you... it's a lot of work for the guy, and also to review | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, jordanP: well I think have some coverage for the clients is something we'll need for when it's in the lib | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | because there are actually a lot of py3 bugs in the clients | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | but I agree I don't think how that's being done is ideal necessarily | 17:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: maybe there should be a spec for this? | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, there are already like 2-3 specs for the client migration :) | 17:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so we can come to an approach before reviewing a zillion patches | 17:49 |
| jordanP | I am not sure we need to write a spec to add some unit tests... | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. A spec is a bit heavyweight | 17:50 |
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| jordanP | what bother me most is that we have a lot of very small patch, i'd rather those patches were squashed... | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | I think if we just talk to the contributor we can figure somethign out | 17:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | I think he works closely with oomichi too | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: yeah a patch per method is a bit much :) | 17:51 |
| jordanP | okay. I'll ask for bigger patch next time | 17:51 |
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| jordanP | the other thing I'd like to discuss is the **kwargs patch series | 17:52 |
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| dkranz | I'm not bothered by unit tests which are good. Just seems they all have the same code which should be abstracted somehow. | 17:52 |
| dkranz | jordanP: I had mixed feelings about that which happened while I was away | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah having a common util method to do the tests will help | 17:52 |
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| jordanP | dkranz, then -1 them and leave a comment | 17:53 |
| jordanP | (the unit test patches) | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, jordanP it's on the ML, I don't think it's a final decision | 17:53 |
| dkranz | jordanP: I left the comment, just without the -1 :) | 17:53 |
| jordanP | mtreinish, so let's wait ? | 17:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I didn't see you weigh in on it, did I miss it? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: well, if you have concerns about the approach I'd say respond to oomichi's ML thread about it | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, I forgot to respond to it :) | 17:54 |
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| * mtreinish is really a slacker | 17:54 | |
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| dkranz | It's a tough call IMO | 17:54 |
| jordanP | no, no concern, to me it makes no difference (kwargs or the previous way) | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | although I'm generally in favor of allowing kwargs, because I think it makes thing a bit more future proof | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | but I haven't really reviewed those patches | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | anyway lets take this to the ML or the reviews | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | I'll try to remember to respond there too :) | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | So I wanted to briefly talk about our midcycle (really end of cycle sprint) | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | I have a room reserved in ft collins from Sept. 9th-11th | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | but it was raised that it's a holiday week and somethings close on 9/11 in the US | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | so I can push it back a week | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | I wanted to see if people had opinions before I made a ML announcement about it | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | well we've got ~1min left so let's pick this up in -qa | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 18:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-30-17.06.html | 18:00 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: no objections | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-30-17.06.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-30-17.06.log.html | 18:00 |
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| daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 18:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:00 |
| daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 18:00 |
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| daneyon_ | Daneyon here | 18:00 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | Lets wait a couple minutes for others to join. | 18:01 |
| s3wong | o/ | 18:01 |
| eghobo | o/ | 18:01 |
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| daneyon_ | #topic Review Networking Spec Submission/Feedback | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204686/ | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | We had a ton of feedback, mainly from the neutron community | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | Lots of -1's from the neutron community | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | It appears that mestery (neutron ptl) would +1 the spec if we did away with the network_backend abstraction and supported libnetwork and libnetwork only | 18:04 |
| daneyon_ | this would align us with the kuryr project | 18:04 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/kuryr/ | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | The biggsest question mark is supporting flannel. flannel is not a libnetwork remote driver | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | I have found that it should be possible to have flnnel work with libnetwork | 18:06 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon_: I think there is a middle ground | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | flannel would use the libnetwork native bridge driver | 18:06 |
| adrian_otto | we could state an intent to use libnetwork to the extent possible. | 18:06 |
| adrian_otto | in the case of flannel, we only have the option of integrating using the bridge interface | 18:06 |
| eghobo | daneyon_: how "serious" kuryr project, sorry but there are no sources and documentation? | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | long-term someone could create a flannel remote driver, it would still use the native bridge driver for L2. This is becasue flannel is a L3-only solution | 18:07 |
| adrian_otto | so that will need to be an exception until someone creates a viable solution to the absence of a libnetwork remote driver for flannel | 18:07 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto the solution may currently exist. IMO it's just a matter of validating that flannel can work with libnetwork's native bridge driver. | 18:08 |
| daneyon_ | if it does not pan out, then i agree that their needs to be an exception | 18:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, who can perform that validation, and on what timeframe? | 18:08 |
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| daneyon_ | eghobo i believe the kuryr project has good intentions. It's super new... my issue is that code is dropping without any detailed design specs. I don;t like that approach. | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | however, i'm happy to see the neutron community addressing container networking. | 18:09 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon_: does kuryr at least have regular team meetings? | 18:10 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto i am going to validate it | 18:10 |
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| daneyon_ | i would be further along, but my lab was moved and i have been dealing with lab changes slowing me down and also i was part of the kolla midcycle. | 18:10 |
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| daneyon_ | i would expect that i finalize the validation and do a write-up by the end of next week | 18:11 |
| sdake | daneyon_ rocked the midcycle btw ;) | 18:11 |
| * sdake thanks daneyon_ heartely :) | 18:11 | |
| adrian_otto | it does not appear in the wii at all | 18:11 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto i have yet to see any details about kuryr meetings. | 18:11 |
| daneyon_ | if i don;t see soemthing soon, i will contact Gal to get the details | 18:11 |
| adrian_otto | well look, we can't take a nonexistent thing seriously | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | #action danehans contact Gal to get Kuryr meeting details. | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | sdake happy to help. | 18:12 |
| adrian_otto | if it's not an openstack team, has no specs, has no wiki page, does nothing yet, and just a code repo, then we can't be expected to take a dependency on it. | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto does the eval time period i provided work for you? | 18:13 |
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| adrian_otto | so my guidance is to participate as it evolves, and advance with our plans in parallel | 18:13 |
| sdake | we are not taking a dep on a stackforge project - I will -2 any such review imo :) | 18:13 |
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| sdake | we can have further discussions at our normal team meeting if someone wants to try to change my mind :) | 18:13 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon_: I'm satisfied with the proposed timeframe. I'm actually not concerned about when we finish. What I care most about is that we are clear about delegating the work, and tracking it to completion. | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto agreed. i don;t plan to depend on the project anytime soon. If we can make the neutron community happy by loosing the network_backend abstration by standardizing on libnetwork, it may be worth our while to do the flannel/libnet eval | 18:14 |
| hongbin | I also don't like depends on kuryr until it is mature | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | my issue with standardizing on libnet goes beyond neutron/kuryr | 18:14 |
| sdake | if a project is mature or not is not a deal killer for me hongbin, its the namespace | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | i don't think kuryr should standardize on libnet | 18:14 |
| daneyon_ | and i will continue to let that be known in that community | 18:15 |
| hongbin | sdake: kuryr is already under openstack namespace | 18:15 |
| sdake | oh ok then, my objection is not valid then :) | 18:15 |
| daneyon_ | until their is a container networking industry standard, i think it's not wise to do. | 18:15 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: it was inserted without community discussion | 18:15 |
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| daneyon_ | especially when k8s has a pluggable networking model and I think coe's is where the long-term value is | 18:16 |
| sdake | ack, I just want people to know where i stand with dependencies, and a stackforge project as a dep I am -2 on | 18:16 |
| adrian_otto | I can summarize the process as an executive aciton by the Neutron PTL, to which there was no timely objection | 18:16 |
| sdake | hindsite 20/20 but there should have atleast been a core reviewer vote | 18:16 |
| adrian_otto | if Neutron wants to make a docker driver for OpeNStack networking, that's their prerogative | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto understood. if the eval goes as planned, we should have a good understanding of the implementation details. I'll create bp's for each and work with others to divide-up the tasks and track to completion. | 18:17 |
| adrian_otto | but they can't expect us to standardize on that without talking with us about it first. | 18:17 |
| adrian_otto | or showing any form of written plan | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | sdake agreed. even if we standardize on libnetwork, we will not depend on kuryr anytime soon. btw kuryr went straight into the big tent?????? | 18:18 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon_: tx! | 18:18 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon_: This is actually a gap in our governance process | 18:18 |
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| sdake | daneyon_ the big tent permits a PTL to insert new repos related to their project | 18:18 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think you should be allowed to just grab scope like that without any email to the dev list, or any prior discussion with stakeholders | 18:19 |
| sdake | I think there is probably a discussion t obe had about how that should happen | 18:19 |
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| sdake | the thing is we trust our ptls to "do the right thing" | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that's something I'm planning to raise with the TC, because it goes against our community values. | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | id we standardize on libbnetwork, then we will be in alginment with kuryr w/o depending (atm) on their code. it's just making sure both projects are marching towards the same direction. | 18:19 |
| sdake | but there is no written formality around what the right hting is | 18:19 |
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| sdake | adrian_otto ya - it depends on if the right thing is done/not done | 18:20 |
| adrian_otto | in this case, we really needed to have a discussion before that governance review was merged | 18:20 |
| daneyon_ | sdake ack | 18:20 |
| adrian_otto | FTR this subteam has been operating in the correct way. | 18:20 |
| adrian_otto | this == containers_networking subteam | 18:21 |
| sdake | which subteam adrian_otto | 18:21 |
| sdake | thanks ;) | 18:21 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto would you be willing to own an action of requesting the neutron ptl to create a kuryr design spec? | 18:21 |
| daneyon_ | I asked in the review and got no feedback | 18:21 |
| sdake | daneyon_ what adrain_otto said he would do is take itu pwith the tc | 18:21 |
| adrian_otto | from what I can tell kuryr has not organized an openstack team yet. | 18:21 |
| daneyon_ | sdake ack | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | i'm bringing up a different request | 18:22 |
| sdake | which I think is an appropriate solution | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | IMO I think it's important that Kuryr provide technical details. As of today, the project has a few sentenes of what it is and that's it. | 18:23 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon_: yes. Assignme an action item to request a kuryr design spec | 18:23 |
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| daneyon_ | #action adrian_otto To formally request that the Neutron/Kuryr PTL submit a Kuryr design spec. | 18:23 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 18:24 |
| daneyon_ | thx | 18:24 |
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| daneyon_ | any other details related to the magnum net spec that we should discuss? | 18:24 |
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| daneyon_ | ok, then let's move on | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | #topic open discussion | 18:25 |
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| daneyon_ | I have been diving into the libnetwork, primarily the remote drivers code. | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/tree/master/drivers/remote | 18:25 |
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| daneyon_ | ^ I want to make sure i understand libnet, especially the remote driver code in greet detail. | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | I am also starting to see Kuryr code drop and have been reviewing the initial commits. | 18:26 |
| eghobo | daneyon_: just curious why you against to taking libnetwork model | 18:26 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/kuryr/commits/master | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | eghobo I am for the libnetwork model. i'm just against standardizing on it atm. | 18:26 |
| daneyon_ | personally, i don;t like standardizing on tech that's not a standard. | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | what do others think? | 18:27 |
| hongbin | +1 | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | again, especially since k8s has its own pluggable network model/implementation. | 18:27 |
| adrian_otto | we don't need to standardize, but we can state an intent to use something | 18:27 |
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| eghobo | personally I agree with Kyle and libnetwork model looks right (no surprises Docker has strong networking team) | 18:27 |
| adrian_otto | and if that turns out not to meet our needs, we will adjust expectations and change direction | 18:27 |
| hongbin | +1 adrian_otto | 18:28 |
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| adrian_otto | we can merge a spec, and then have subsequent changes proposed against it. | 18:28 |
| eghobo | we should agree that there are not so many standards in container world now ;) | 18:28 |
| adrian_otto | we could even anticipate that and put a version number in it | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto understood. If we intend to use libnetwork and intend to support k8s pluggble net, then that's where things get hairy and the neutron team is unhappy. | 18:29 |
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| daneyon_ | because i think we would need to implement an abstration such as network_backend | 18:29 |
| adrian_otto | we don't have a compulsion to support k8s pluggable yet | 18:29 |
| adrian_otto | so let's cross that bridge when we come to it | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | if we don't then trying to support both could get messy | 18:29 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto good point | 18:30 |
| adrian_otto | think of this as a sequence | 18:30 |
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| adrian_otto | we state what we expect the long term vision to be, and step 1 toward it | 18:30 |
| adrian_otto | and set expectations that we could revise the direction or the vision based on what we learn | 18:31 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto until i can validate that flannel can work with libnet's native bridge driver, i want to pause the spec. then we can update it based on the results of the eval | 18:31 |
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| adrian_otto | that's totally appropriate | 18:31 |
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| adrian_otto | I suggest that you toggle the review to WIP | 18:32 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto agreed, we'll cross that bridge later. i just want the subteam to know where my head is at. | 18:32 |
| adrian_otto | and just put a comment on the end to expect a revision | 18:32 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto I'm make the changes to the spec after our meeting | 18:32 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 18:32 |
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| daneyon_ | #action danehans to update network spec review to WIP and add comment to expect a revision | 18:33 |
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| daneyon_ | I am also starting to see Kuryr code drop and have been reviewing the initial commits. | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/kuryr/commits/master | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto ^ is one of the reasons why i am asking for a kuryr design spec | 18:34 |
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| daneyon_ | It appears the Kuryr code is modeled from calico | 18:34 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/Metaswitch/calico-docker | 18:34 |
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| daneyon_ | i'll give everyone 5 minutes for a quick review of the links | 18:35 |
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| daneyon_ | Let me know if you have any questions, concerns, ideas, etc.. | 18:35 |
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| eghobo | daneyon_: what's your opinion about calico? | 18:35 |
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| daneyon_ | eghobo I really like their approach to container networking. | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | no overlays, a router on each host | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | uses bgp for routing | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | i'm a big fan of bgp since it scales | 18:36 |
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| daneyon_ | i've never been much for overlays | 18:37 |
| eghobo | I aways was scary about bgp in dc, but may be ;) | 18:37 |
| daneyon_ | network engineers understand ctp/ip, routing protocols (i.e. bgp) and calico seems to hit the sopt their | 18:37 |
| daneyon_ | eghobo why? | 18:38 |
| daneyon_ | s/ctp/tcp/ | 18:38 |
| eghobo | mostly because I don't know it too well ): and one simple mistake can kill whole traffic | 18:39 |
| eghobo | but facebook and fastly folks thinks it's good idea | 18:40 |
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| adrian_otto | who is working on Calico? | 18:40 |
| adrian_otto | FB+Fast.ly? | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | eghobo their is a fair bit of a learning curve with bgp. I think you can make a lot of different operational mistakes that can cause huge problems in a data center. fortunaly bgp has been operating in dc's and the internet for a long time and the op's folks have it down. bgp also has preventative measures for reducing mistakes. | 18:41 |
| adrian_otto | the description of the approach looks pretty compelling | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | Metaswitch is behind Calico | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | Some of their team have been involved in libnetwork from early on. | 18:42 |
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| daneyon_ | adrian_otto I agree, I like their approach | 18:42 |
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| daneyon_ | and hopefully we can support calico as a libnetwork driver when we get past this magnum netwokring design phase | 18:43 |
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| suro-patz | this approach is similar to that of distributed routing / vrouter / OpenContrail | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | suro-patz It seems to be a design approach that several vendors are starting to get behind. | 18:44 |
| daneyon_ | IMO because the overlay approach has issues | 18:44 |
| suro-patz | daneyon_: are you proposing calico-plugin instead of kuryr, for neutron to connect to libnetwork? | 18:45 |
| daneyon_ | suro-patz I am proposing that we eval flannel with libnetwork's native bridge driver. If it works, then we can focus on libnetwork and not implement the network_backend abstraction... at least initiaally. as adrian_otto stated, we could end up going down that road but it's not critical atm. | 18:46 |
| daneyon_ | if the eval goes as planned, update the spec with my findings and modify the implementation details accordinlly. | 18:47 |
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| daneyon_ | then create seperate bp's for each implementation detail and work with the community to divide up the tasks, track them to completion and celebreate with a bottle of wine we we complete all ;-) | 18:48 |
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| suro-patz | IMHO, what magnum networking team wants to achieve is integration of COE with OpenStack's networking mechanism, i.e. Neutron - Now what neutron uses to connect to libnetwork, is not a real problem for magnum | 18:48 |
| suro-patz | we just want to have a default/precribable plugin for neutron to do so | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | suro-patz Calico is a libnetwork remote driver, so vendors should be able to easily add their driver if we do this right. | 18:48 |
| suro-patz | prescribable | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | My focus will be to make sure flannel works under this new model so we can use it for k8s and swarm coe's. | 18:49 |
| suro-patz | daneyon_: Practically calico is a neutron plugin, so in my view a replacement for Kuryr | 18:49 |
| suro-patz | similarly operators can use any of the SDN provider | 18:50 |
| suro-patz | it can be plumgrid/contrail depending on what they have | 18:50 |
| suro-patz | one thing to note is calico is a vendor plugin | 18:50 |
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| daneyon_ | suro-patz atm i believe their is a seperation between the container and cloud infra networking. I would like our focus to be on the container networking. that's why all the debate is related to libnetwork and flannel | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | when container/cloud infra networking start to integrate, that's when the line will blur | 18:51 |
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| suro-patz | My understanding was magnum was trying to provide the integration platform for bridging cloud networking and container networking | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | to your point though, with container networking in magnum, i want to focus on implementing flannel for k8s and either flannel or one of libnetwork's native drivers for swarm | 18:52 |
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| suro-patz | the way we have been providing identity/auto-scaling integration platform | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | i want to sync the container networking default with the coe. | 18:53 |
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| suro-patz | looking forward to discussing in details at the MidCycle | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | while mkaing it easy for 3rd parties to add their libnetwork remote driver and make it easy for users to run containers, while allowing advanced users to perform advanced container networking functions | 18:54 |
| adrian_otto | I would like to identify a volunter to make a presentation on libnet and calico on day 2 | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | trying to strick a balance | 18:54 |
| adrian_otto | possibly separate presentations on each | 18:54 |
| adrian_otto | or identify a video we can watch as a team and discuss. | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto I could do the ppt, but i will be remote | 18:54 |
| adrian_otto | I'm referring to the Midcycle now | 18:54 |
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| daneyon_ | instead of just calico, i would like to touch on each of the libnet remote drivers | 18:55 |
| adrian_otto | I think that would be really helpful | 18:55 |
| adrian_otto | we can find a way to make that work as a remote presenter | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto underdtood. i can create and deliver the ppt. Unfortunaly I will not be onsite for the midcycle | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | adrian_otto should work just fine through webex | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | i can be on video and share the ppt | 18:56 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-midcycle-topics | 18:56 |
| adrian_otto | let's juggle that around a bit to find the best time to fit that in on day 2 | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | we are down to our last few minutes | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | Any parting questions, thoughts, etc? | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | OK | 18:58 |
| gangil | The midcycle meeting's location is not there on etherpad. Do you mind if new people interested in the project want to join in? | 18:58 |
| daneyon_ | I really appreciate everyone's participation. | 18:58 |
| daneyon_ | Have a great day! | 18:58 |
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| daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 18:58:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-30-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-30-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-30-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 19:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 19:01:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-30-19.00.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-30-19.00.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-30-19.00.log.html | 19:01 |
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| mikal | So, nova meeting... | 20:59 |
| * mikal finds the list of people to ping | 20:59 | |
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| nic | So, a needle pulling thread… | 20:59 |
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| mikal | [kml: 20150725-1] | 20:59 |
| mikal | Doh, ignore that cut and paste fail | 21:00 |
| tonyb | mikal: not that ;P | 21:00 |
| mikal | mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda: le ping | 21:00 |
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| tpatil_ | Hi | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 21:00 |
| med_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 21:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| * bauzas holding off until nova meeting begins | 21:00 | |
| mnestratov | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| bauzas | hah | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| earlephilhower | o/ | 21:00 |
| scottda | hi | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| mikal | Good morning! | 21:00 |
| xyang | Hi | 21:00 |
| mikal | So, let's get started | 21:00 |
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| mikal | #topic [kml: 20150725-1] | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | mikal: I think we've said it. | 21:10 |
| mikal | #topic Critical bugs | 21:10 |
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| mikal | None that I can see? | 21:10 |
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| mikal | #topic Stable branch status | 21:10 |
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| mikal | There are definitely reviews for kilo and juno in gerrit | 21:11 |
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| mikal | But I don't have the state of those in my head | 21:11 |
| dansmith | we just had a release i think | 21:11 |
| mikal | So unless someone else has stuff to say here we'll move on? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | so there are things probably pending that freeze being lifted | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | nothing specifically burning that I know of though | 21:11 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:11 |
| mikal | #topic Reminders | 21:12 |
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| bauzas | just something about cells | 21:12 |
| bauzas | but we agreed on saying it was unsupported :D | 21:12 |
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| mikal | John has asked people to remember to use the priority tracking etherpad when reviewing | 21:12 |
| mikal | And to take a look at the trivial patch list as well | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | there are a list of non-priority features to review on there, | 21:12 |
| mikal | But I guess its kind of a moot point with a wedged gate | 21:12 |
| dansmith | ordered by age.. for the deadline today | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I've been going through and reviewing those, marking the merged ones as merged | 21:13 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:13 |
| dansmith | would be nice if the cores that are active before the actual deadline could take a trip through | 21:13 |
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| med_ | (thanks all who approved my trivial devref related nova bugfix early this week) | 21:13 |
| dansmith | starting at line 191 (currently) in the pad | 21:13 |
| mikal | dansmith: are you ordering me to travel more? | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | mikal: s/trip/looksee/ | 21:14 |
| mikal | Ahhh, I see | 21:14 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:14 |
| mikal | Shall we move on to stuck reviews? | 21:14 |
| dansmith | aye | 21:14 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:14 |
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| nic | The first one is mine, the second one looks like cop+paste errors | 21:14 |
| rodolfo-alonso | hi | 21:14 |
| mikal | We have two here, which I think is at least partially because we tlked through this process at the mid-cycle again | 21:14 |
| rodolfo-alonso | sorry | 21:15 |
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| mikal | nic's is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122523/ | 21:15 |
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| mikal | nic: : want to intorduce it? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | is this stuck? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | no review since feb | 21:16 |
| dansmith | != stuck | 21:16 |
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| openstack | dansmith: Error: "=" is not a valid command. | 21:16 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:16 |
| mikal | Well, nice has been rebasing it for two months, so I think he still expects it to stand a chance of merging | 21:16 |
| nic | Sure. The short, short, short version: booting from AMIs sets the kernel console params such that /dev/console is attached to a read-only device, making "rescue mode" on distros that support it, unusable | 21:16 |
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| mikal | nic even | 21:16 |
| dansmith | right, but | 21:16 |
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| dansmith | "Please note "stuck review" means a review where there is some disagreement that needs resolving. Its not for reviews that just haven't had attention," | 21:16 |
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| nic | Since unilaterally flopping the params caused problems, the current patch lets operators define the default to "whatever the hell they want" | 21:17 |
| med_ | +1 dansmith | 21:17 |
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| bauzas | moving on then ? :) | 21:17 |
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| nic | II was pointed in a direction to fix it, and when I went in that direction, I was told to go in anotehr direction | 21:17 |
| rodolfo-alonso | yes | 21:18 |
| rodolfo-alonso | sorry for c+p | 21:18 |
| nic | So there's disagreement amongst you guys as to what should be done here | 21:18 |
| rodolfo-alonso | the problem is the solution proposed | 21:18 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | it's far more complicated | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | nic: well, this disagreement was last cycle and not really preventing this from merging | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | I don't actually see anyone telling you to put it back into the config | 21:19 |
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| mikal | I was hoping that what we could do is quickly discuss next steps for this one, instead of having a process discussion | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | nic: last review from danpb still asserted it should be not global config | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | which I agree with | 21:19 |
| mikal | It seems to me that a spec for this one for M is probably where we're at given people have questions about the design and it has an impact on operators? | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | maybe.. I feel like if it was an image/flavor property, we'd be done by now, without a spec :) | 21:20 |
| mikal | Well, ignoring the tempest two step | 21:20 |
| dansmith | which is what all the feedback has been, AFAICT | 21:20 |
| mikal | (Which might not be needed if this was an image property) | 21:20 |
| bauzas | that reminds me another bug about tty logging | 21:20 |
| bauzas | given what danpb said at last | 21:21 |
| dansmith | danpb says it's already supported | 21:21 |
| nic | But we can't go chasing images around the cloud, setting proerties on them. A system-wide default is the only sane way to approach this when you've got the million-monkeys problem | 21:21 |
| mikal | nic: you can set it for flavors though right? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I think several people disagree with your assertion | 21:21 |
| dansmith | yeah, | 21:23 |
| mikal | dansmith: how does a deployer ensure that new images uploaded have the right properties to work with their cloud? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | this is already available here: | 21:23 |
| nic | It's image metadata; and if you set this, you have to backfill all the fidgety bits that Nova fills in for you automatically | 21:23 |
| dansmith | guest.os_cmdline = img_props.get('os_command_line') | 21:23 |
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| nic | Right. You can only replace the cmdline, you can't fix parts of it | 21:23 |
| dansmith | mikal: put it in the flavor? | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | nic: so break it into tokens and merge the tokens from the image into what we've collected so far? | 21:24 |
| bauzas | nic: FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188058/ | 21:25 |
| nic | danpb seems to not like that one, either | 21:25 |
| mikal | So, I think there are some suggestions on how to proceed | 21:26 |
| nic | Yes, we can move on | 21:26 |
| mikal | nic: how about you and I sit down and talk this through a bit more next week? | 21:26 |
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| nic | Can do | 21:26 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:26 |
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| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:26 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | Sorry? | 21:27 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | I have a stuck review | 21:27 |
| mikal | rodolfo-alonso: oh, did I miss something? | 21:27 |
| rodolfo-alonso | Yes | 21:27 |
| mikal | Sorry, one sec | 21:27 |
| mikal | #undo | 21:27 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | I c+p wrong | 21:27 |
| mikal | rodolfo-alonso: Ok, so what are we talking about? | 21:27 |
| rodolfo-alonso | I have this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189279/8/doc/source/filter_scheduler.rst | 21:27 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | the problem is the solution proposed is far more complicated | 21:27 |
| rodolfo-alonso | It's cleaner to have an isolated class | 21:28 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: well, I really care about our user interfaces | 21:28 |
| mikal | bauzas: sounds like one for you? | 21:28 |
| rodolfo-alonso | I know and I undertand | 21:29 |
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| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: each filter we're adding is giving another possibility for an user | 21:29 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: so, I don't want to block you because of a specific thing, but I think the behaviour is quite close to what we already have | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | That's the key, add a new possibility, isn't it? | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | No, it's not | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | I | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | Sorry | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | We studied the behaivour | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | of the other filter | 21:30 |
| rodolfo-alonso | and it's better (and cleaner) | 21:31 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | to have this other class | 21:31 |
| bauzas | so, another option | 21:31 |
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| bauzas | like I'm saying, I'm trying to see the difference with what we currently have and see how we can diff that | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | rodolfo-alonso: it's important to articulate why a thing is better, not just assert it | 21:33 |
| rodolfo-alonso | Sean Mooney all | 21:33 |
| rodolfo-alonso | already explained it very well | 21:33 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: I certainly understand that your proposal gives more possibilities | 21:33 |
| rodolfo-alonso | the AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter does not allow you to reserve portions of your cloud for vms that require limited resources this filter does. it would not be a small change to extend the AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter to cater for this usecase. | 21:34 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: and I also understand that the existing AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter is not enough to fit your expected behaviour | 21:34 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: what if you invert the logic ? | 21:34 |
| rodolfo-alonso | No, because the logic is restrictive | 21:34 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: I really care about keeping the existing behaviour | 21:34 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: but I don't care about the implementation of AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter | 21:34 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: we have hints that define our contract | 21:35 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | The existing behaviour it's not going to be modified | 21:35 |
| bauzas | well, not hints, but agg metadata | 21:35 |
| dansmith | mikal: I feel like this can probably happen during non-meeting time in #-nova | 21:35 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | Ok | 21:35 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: IIUC, the AggregateInstanceExtraSpecsFilter is a subcase of what you're going to propose | 21:35 |
| mikal | bauzas: do you think in hindsight this is a case where we shouldn't have approved the blueprint as trivial, because of the user interface implications of a new filter? | 21:36 |
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| bauzas | mikal: that's the problem, we have an user interface called aggregate metadata | 21:36 |
| mikal | bauzas: can you sit down with rodolfo-alonso in -nova and talk this thorugh sometime and get back to us with what comes from that? | 21:36 |
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| bauzas | mikal: sure thing - provided not in the next 2 weeks | 21:37 |
| bauzas | or I defer to jaypipes :) | 21:37 |
| mikal | Ok, that's fair | 21:37 |
| mikal | I think we need to move on or we'll not end in time | 21:37 |
| rodolfo-alonso | thanks! | 21:37 |
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| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:38 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: let's discuss that offline in #nova right after the meetinhg | 21:38 |
| mikal | So there are a few points on the minutes for here | 21:38 |
| rodolfo-alonso | bauzas: perfect! | 21:38 |
| mikal | John wants a spec tweak reviewd, but I think I can just do that after the meeting | 21:38 |
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| mikal | nic: its too late for that spec you link to for liberty unfortunately, the deadline for new specs passed quite a while ago | 21:38 |
| mikal | nic: but I think the ceph bug fix can be reviewed on its merits | 21:39 |
| nic | The groundswell of support for that spec makes it such that I had to at least try | 21:39 |
| nic | People are kind of sort of going a little crazy for it | 21:39 |
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| mikal | nic: yeah, its a process thing unfortunately | 21:39 |
| mikal | nic: we're in the phase of the release where we're stabilizing, not adding new things | 21:39 |
| vilobhmm | mikal : as per https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule looks like the feature free is aug 18 for liberty which initially was july 16th i guess…so does that mean that code cans till be submitted for features/specs that have already been accepted for liberty ? | 21:39 |
| nic | Somebody (I forget who) tried to language-lawyer it such that it's actually an old spec and can get let through | 21:40 |
| nic | Gotta admire that kind of gumption | 21:40 |
| mikal | vilobhmm: the freeze for non-priority features is July 30 though' | 21:40 |
| mikal | vilobhmm: after that, we only merge high priority features (as defined at the summit in Vancouver) | 21:40 |
| vilobhmm | mikal : ok..thanks! | 21:41 |
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| mikal | alaski: are you around to talk about this db flavor comment int the agenda? | 21:41 |
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| alaski | I am | 21:41 |
| bauzas | oh right | 21:41 |
| alaski | so belmoreira is in the process of creating flavor tables in the new nova_api db | 21:41 |
| * bauzas giggles | 21:41 | |
| alaski | and a question came up about http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions/216_havana.py#n88 | 21:41 |
| alaski | the db migration that prepopulates flavors | 21:42 |
| dansmith | ugh | 21:42 |
| * med_ felt that pain today | 21:42 | |
| med_ | it don't work | 21:42 |
| alaski | basically, can we stop doing that? | 21:42 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:42 |
| mikal | So, what happens for new installs? | 21:42 |
| bauzas | devstack-ish rather? | 21:42 |
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| mikal | An admin has lavors before their first thing? | 21:42 |
| dansmith | we really need to have some tool to do that | 21:42 |
| mikal | Sorry, has to create flavors? | 21:42 |
| dansmith | because doing it in a migration is just insanity | 21:42 |
| bauzas | why not a devstack change ? | 21:43 |
| alaski | mikal: yes, that would be an alternative | 21:43 |
| dansmith | nova-manage install-default-flavors | 21:43 |
| bauzas | and then a Depends-On tag ? | 21:43 |
| alaski | properly documented of course | 21:43 |
| mikal | dansmith: I would not be opposed to that | 21:43 |
| mikal | bauzas: we need to care about more than just devstack here though right? | 21:43 |
| melwitt | bauzas: well, that's not a way to deploy nova (devstack) | 21:43 |
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| dansmith | or even /usr/share/nova/doc/contrib/make_sample_flavors.sh | 21:44 |
| bauzas | mikal: melwitt: agreed but I think vendors are keen to propose that | 21:44 |
| bauzas | ? | 21:44 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yeah that ^ | 21:44 |
| alaski | I'm not opposed to nova-manage, but would prefer docs and perhaps a script like dansmith just suggested | 21:44 |
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| dansmith | script is better I think | 21:44 |
| mikal | I think you could rgue its weird that we tell admins they will always have flavors which might be grossly inappropriate for their cloud | 21:44 |
| bauzas | I mean, a nova-manage cmd should huge for me | 21:44 |
| melwitt | yeah | 21:44 |
| alaski | mikal: right, and a few need to then go strip them out | 21:44 |
| dansmith | mikal: arguing about the existing behavior right? | 21:44 |
| bauzas | mikal: exactly | 21:44 |
| mikal | For example, an ironic only nova would never ever want a m1.tiny | 21:44 |
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| mikal | dansmith: yes, I am agreeing that we should stop doing this thing | 21:45 |
| dansmith | mikal: not true, I'm planning to go public with my Rpi cloud soon | 21:45 |
| mikal | It doesn't seem like a bug fix though | 21:45 |
| mikal | Is this a M spec? | 21:45 |
| alaski | this is an L cells spec, so still under priority rules | 21:45 |
| dansmith | I dunno, it's a weird grey area | 21:45 |
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| bauzas | well, technically a DB migration :( | 21:45 |
| dansmith | bauzas: not really | 21:45 |
| alaski | well, it's sort of something that wasn't thought about in the spec | 21:45 |
| bauzas | we could just modify 218_havana.py ? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | bauzas: yes, IMHO | 21:46 |
| bauzas | uh | 21:46 |
| bauzas | ok | 21:46 |
| dansmith | kinda defeats the purpose to do anything else, right? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | it's not schema, it's just data | 21:46 |
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| mikal | We'd need to make sure the docs on this one are sane too | 21:46 |
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| bauzas | and UpgradeImpact as well... | 21:46 |
| mikal | alaski: I think the punch line is no one thinks your proposal is a bad idea | 21:47 |
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| alaski | what we can do is just not worry about copying that logic to the new tables | 21:47 |
| alaski | and leave removal for later if that helps | 21:47 |
| dansmith | alaski: ah, we drop the behavior by attrition | 21:47 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:48 |
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| alaski | exactly | 21:48 |
| dansmith | and then we can drop the actual data in the migration when we drop the old flavor tables from the cell schemas I guess | 21:48 |
| dansmith | i.e once we start using api for flavor lookups, | 21:48 |
| dansmith | the data that gets installed by the first migration will just never be seen | 21:48 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:48 |
| dansmith | wait a cycle, drop | 21:48 |
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| bauzas | sounds neat | 21:48 |
| dansmith | alaski: right? | 21:48 |
| mikal | I like that plan | 21:48 |
| alaski | dansmith: yep | 21:48 |
| dansmith | sounds good to me | 21:48 |
| mikal | alaski: sounds like you have permission then | 21:49 |
| alaski | the main thing now is to not copy that over | 21:49 |
| alaski | excellent | 21:49 |
| mikal | Last thing on the agenda then | 21:49 |
| mikal | melwitt: you have a favourite bug? | 21:49 |
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| melwitt | mikal: :) I just wanted to tell people about it, I've been seeing a lot of comments on it the past week https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1396965 | 21:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1396965 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Add capability to detach root device volume of an instance, when in shutoff state" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 21:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396965 in nova "Add capability to detach root device volume of an instance, when in shutoff state" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 21:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396965 in nova "Add capability to detach root device volume of an instance, when in shutoff state" [Wishlist,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396965 | 21:50 |
| tpatil_ | mikal: I also want to talk about my spec later | 21:50 |
| melwitt | people seem to care about it a lot so I just wanted to mention it for general awareness | 21:50 |
| mikal | tpatil_: the problem there is we passed the spec approval deadline a long time ago for L, that spec can't get approved until M at this point | 21:50 |
| mikal | melwitt: sounds fair | 21:50 |
| mikal | tpatil_: oh, its a backlog spec | 21:51 |
| mikal | tpatil_: I didn't notice that at first, sorry | 21:51 |
| tpatil_ | mikal: yes | 21:51 |
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| mikal | tpatil_: I think you're going to have to hang ten for a few more days, a lot of the reviewers are tied up in mid-cycle travel and the non-priority freeze right now | 21:52 |
| tpatil_ | mikal: OK | 21:52 |
| mikal | But things should be a bit better in a week or so | 21:52 |
| dansmith | speaking of that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205277/ | 21:52 |
| dansmith | I think that reflects what we discussed, just needs a +W | 21:52 |
| mikal | dansmith: I will review after the meeting then | 21:52 |
| dansmith | thanks | 21:52 |
| mikal | dansmith: not that it will merge... | 21:52 |
| mikal | So, we have five more minutes | 21:53 |
| mikal | Use them wisely | 21:53 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:53 |
| hshiina | excuse me, one of my non-priority patches has not been reviewed by core reviewers. | 21:53 |
| hshiina | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202605/ | 21:54 |
| med_ | sounds like a feature | 21:54 |
| med_ | ah, and it is referenced, my bad | 21:55 |
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| mikal | hshiina: all I can offer is that I will try to get a review done on that before the deadline | 21:56 |
| melwitt | I don't see that one in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:56 |
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| dansmith | I'm -1ing that right now | 21:56 |
| dansmith | so probably not going to make it | 21:56 |
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| mikal | I guess discussion of that one continues in the review then | 21:57 |
| mikal | Shall we wind this meeting up? | 21:58 |
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| mikal | I will take silence as yes | 21:58 |
| mikal | Thanks peoples! | 21:58 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 21:58:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-30-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-30-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-30-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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| med_ | mikal, thanks for making my mac bing at start time. Much appreciated. | 21:59 |
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| mikal | med_: NP | 21:59 |
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| rodolfo-alonso | bauzas: can you invite me to the room? | 22:00 |
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| med_ | #openstack-nova I believe | 22:01 |
| bauzas | rodolfo-alonso: yup | 22:01 |
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