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| joehuang | hi | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hi gampel | 13:09 |
| gampel | Hi sorry for the delay | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | it's ok | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | let's start the meeting | 13:10 |
| gampel | ok | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #startmeeing tricircle weekly meeting Jul 15, 2015 | 13:11 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting | 13:11 |
| openstack | joehuang: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:11 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 13:11:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:11 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:12 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:12 |
| gampel | #info gampel | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #topic design discussion | 13:13 |
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| irenab | #info irenab | 13:13 |
| joehuang | #info the cascade service should be able run with multiple instances | 13:14 |
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| gampel | yes i agree | 13:14 |
| gampel | One option that we've already discussed to avoid contention is that each service is responsible for different bottom sites. | 13:14 |
| joehuang | therefore, I think it should work like Nova-scheduler | 13:14 |
| joehuang | this is one option | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | anathor option is that cascade service work like nova-scheduler | 13:15 |
| joehuang | multiple Nova-scheduler will work in parallel | 13:15 |
| joehuang | but only one will be selected for a boot vm request | 13:15 |
| gampel | but then you will have only one cascade service | 13:16 |
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| irenab | joehuang: this should cover both load balancing and hight availability for the cascade service, right? | 13:16 |
| gampel | responsible for the scheduling | 13:16 |
| joehuang | No, multiple nova-scheduler can work together | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | but I did not look at the code how it works | 13:17 |
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| gampel | But it is not only nova lets say you add port to a router | 13:17 |
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| gampel | If I understand correctly you mean to add it in the Nova and Neutron core plugin | 13:18 |
| joehuang | the cascade service to send request to multiple bottom OpenStack | 13:18 |
| joehuang | the cascade service to send request to multiple bottom OpenStack if needed | 13:18 |
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| gampel | I am not sure i understand where you want to do the sch before the MQ or after | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | not shedule, but like one queue, multiple cascade consume the same queue | 13:19 |
| joehuang | whenever one cascade pickup the message from the queue | 13:19 |
| joehuang | the message will be removed from the queue | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | i think joe's idea is that each cascade service is aware of all the bottom openstack | 13:20 |
| joehuang | then only one cascade service will process the message | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | to zhiyuan, currently in the design doc, we are thinking in this way | 13:20 |
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| zhiyuan | every cascade service can service the request independently, am I correct? | 13:20 |
| joehuang | all bottom information could be seen from the database | 13:21 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | zhiyuan, you mentioned that if the message is sending not using fanout, then it work like this way | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | to irenab: it's not loadbalancing, how we use the message bus | 13:23 |
| gampel | So you want to use queue, in the POC where there any sequence of API requests that were related ? | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan | yes, services consume the same queue with the same topic if fanout is not used | 13:24 |
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| irenab | joehuang: thank you for clarification | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | So I just give an example, that the way for nova-scheduler using the message bus is what we can leverage | 13:25 |
| gampel | So all the services will be authenticated to all the bottom OpenStack | 13:25 |
| joehuang | using the token carried in the top API request | 13:26 |
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| gampel | You mean the token will be in the DB ? | 13:26 |
| gampel | or just proxy | 13:27 |
| joehuang | same to token to the bottom OpenStack instance, it's carried in the contex. not in DB | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | same token to the bottom OpenStack instance, it's carried in the contex. not in DB | 13:27 |
| gampel | Did it work in the POC using same token on all the bottom OpenStacks | 13:28 |
| joehuang | not only proxy, cascade serice will do long-run task | 13:28 |
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| gampel | which long-run task ? | 13:28 |
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| zhiyuan | POC uses one single Keystone, so I think using the same token is fine | 13:29 |
| joehuang | it works in the PoC. for background periodic task, some configured user is used to access the bottom OpenStack | 13:29 |
| joehuang | Federated KeyStone not tried in the poc | 13:30 |
| gampel | which background periodic task ? | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | periodic to poll the VM/volume/port status | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | so that the status in the top layer will be refreshed | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | but if we have interception at the API layer, we can change this way | 13:31 |
| gampel | At the moment as a start point we said that we going to pass run time info to the bottom layer | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | the status could be queried only when API request coming, and return stale status first, and refrest the status immedidtly for next time query | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | to gampel, what you mean "pass run time info to the bottom layer" | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | through the delay refresh for next time, we can reduce to use a configured user info to sync the status from the bottom openstack | 13:34 |
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| gampel | I mean if you get a port status from the API you pass it to the cascading service that will query the bottom Opensatck | 13:34 |
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| gampel | But if is is configuration request query get it from the DB | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | Ok, but if there is a lot of ports, the latency for two hop query will be longer | 13:35 |
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| gampel | You assume the query request will arrive together, is that what happened in the POC | 13:37 |
| joehuang | and if multiple bottom openstack involved, it's complex to query at the same time | 13:37 |
| joehuang | a query can be issued with different filter, and the ports meet the filter will be returned | 13:38 |
| joehuang | the filter can be varied a lot | 13:38 |
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| gampel | Ok l suggest to look at it know as an optimization that we can add latter after we have the basic staff working | 13:39 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:40 |
| gampel | I want to update regarding the status of the experimental work status | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | I think the current design is a very good beginning to start | 13:41 |
| gampel | we have the infrastructure for the foundation service | 13:41 |
| joehuang | so how about nova | 13:41 |
| gampel | neutron core plugin on top pass the request on the message queue up to the service endpoint | 13:42 |
| joehuang | I mentioned in the mail we need to inherited from the API class, just like cells does | 13:42 |
| gampel | nova is almost done and will be checked in on Sunday | 13:42 |
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| gampel | yes we will send it soon | 13:43 |
| joehuang | ooo, that;s great | 13:43 |
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| zhiyuan | cool | 13:43 |
| joehuang | I think once nova and neutron work, we can move it to the master branch | 13:43 |
| gampel | if you like we have the infrastructure now to work together on it | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | so that we can also to add code on it | 13:44 |
| gampel | next step is to create the DB alchemy module to the cascading service | 13:44 |
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| gampel | devstack is ready and working as well for neutron request | 13:45 |
| joehuang | zhiyuan, how about to study how to make multiple cascade service work in parallel: multi-worker, multi-instances | 13:45 |
| joehuang | I think it's necessary | 13:45 |
| gampel | we will update the patches and merge them all into the experimental branch on Sunday | 13:46 |
| joehuang | gampel, could you upload code to git for review | 13:46 |
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| gampel | so you could join the work next week | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | that's super cool, then we can work together on the new staff | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan | no problem, i can try based on saggi's patch | 13:47 |
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| gampel | there are now 3 patches by saggi covering neutron devstack and the cascading service including the endpoint | 13:47 |
| gampel | probably Sunday we will have Nova in as well | 13:48 |
| zhiyuan | and I will set up the new CI job after all the new code is submitted | 13:48 |
| joehuang | perfect, zhiyuan | 13:48 |
| gampel | can we add test to the CI to do pep8 at least | 13:48 |
| joehuang | let's try it | 13:49 |
| zhiyuan | sure | 13:49 |
| gampel | thx | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | how about the topic in Tokyo summit | 13:50 |
| gampel | i summited today with irena me and joe as speakers | 13:51 |
| joehuang | CJK project will have a poc of cascading/tricircle, | 13:51 |
| gampel | can you elaborate about what is CJK ? | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | CJK submitted with one topic: inter-cloud in China, Japan, Korea by Takashi and me and guys from Korea | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | CJK is China, Japan, Korea | 13:53 |
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| joehuang | nice. info sync-ed | 13:53 |
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| gampel | very nice please share the POC result when you have it | 13:53 |
| joehuang | and OPNFV day, the multisite project is an formal project in OPNFV, so we'll apply one session in OPNFV day in Tokyo summit | 13:54 |
| joehuang | Sure, we will start soon | 13:54 |
| joehuang | We have a very good progress | 13:55 |
| joehuang | let's have a meeting next week | 13:55 |
| gampel | Ok thx | 13:55 |
| joehuang | thanks you all | 13:55 |
| joehuang | see you next time | 13:56 |
| irenab | thanks you | 13:56 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:56 |
| gampel | thank you bye | 13:56 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 13:56:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-07-15-13.11.html | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-07-15-13.11.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-07-15-13.11.log.html | 13:56 |
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| zhiyuan | see you | 13:56 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 14:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello everyone! roll call please :) | 14:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the docs US team meeting? | 14:02 |
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| Guest24895 | o/ | 14:13 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 14:17 |
| robcresswell | little late. was the meeting cancelled? | 14:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | hi rob | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | robcresswell | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so you are the only person who showed up so far | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | no it was not cancelled | 14:20 |
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| janonymous_ | o/ | 14:22 |
| janonymous_ | :P assuming i is no cancelled :D | 14:22 |
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| janonymous_ | *it | 14:22 |
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| katomo | Hi | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hello | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok looks like we can get a late start | 14:25 |
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| katomo | :) | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | can we do a roll call for who is here for the docs meeting | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | we can go ahead and get started | 14:26 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 14:26 |
| katomo | o/ | 14:26 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Liberty specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/191074 (Debian Install Guide) | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Driver docs - requires discussion) | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP) | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 14:29 |
| annegentle | oh I'm here | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hi annegentle! | 14:29 |
| annegentle | hi ShillaSaebi_! | 14:29 |
| janonymous_ | Hi all :) | 14:29 |
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| janonymous_ | What are the topics to be discussed.. | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so i just posted the Liberty specs that are currently in review | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone have any questions or comments about that | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | ok lets go ahead and move on | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Specialty teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info HA Guide - RST migration underway: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Install Guides - RST migration now underway, sign up here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Installation_Guide_Migration | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Security Guide - RST conversion in planning. | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST conversion now underway | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Cloud_Admin_Guide_Migration | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Ops/Arch Guides - New speciality team, slow progress... #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info API docs - Please review the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Config Ref - New speciality team! Thanks Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 14:33 |
| annegentle | ShillaSaebi_: I merged the API docs spec this week | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | oh great | 14:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | any questions? | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | i know that was a lot of links | 14:35 |
| katomo | none | 14:35 |
| annegentle | heh still clicking through on some | 14:35 |
| annegentle | I don't see any RST conversions that _aren't_ signed up for yet? | 14:35 |
| annegentle | (terrible sentence structure, sorry) | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hehe | 14:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Doc tools update: #info openstack-doc-tools 0.29.1 has been released. This fixes a translation bug in 0.29.0 | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Docs Liaisons | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | Don't forget the liaisons we have available when you're working on a bug, or asking for reviews: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 14:37 |
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| annegentle | We <3 our liaisons | 14:38 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes we do! +1 | 14:39 |
| janonymous_ | +1 | 14:39 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic i18n Team | 14:39 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation#Document_categorize | 14:39 |
| janonymous_ | +1 | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | Should we update that page? | 14:40 |
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| annegentle | for what's already RST? | 14:40 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yeah i would think we should | 14:41 |
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| katomo | This page looks like up-to-date. | 14:41 |
| annegentle | maybe I just don't know, is the hot-reference already RST? | 14:41 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | you know I am not actually sure | 14:42 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone know? | 14:42 |
| annegentle | And the Glossary is auto-generated from XML to RST now | 14:42 |
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| katomo | no | 14:42 |
| annegentle | I think hot-reference moved out of openstack-manuals, looking. | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Nope, hot-reference remains xml and in the openstack-manuals repo. | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | The table is correct. | 14:43 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alright! thanks for the info annegentle | 14:43 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic ironic docs | 14:44 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | we had a review in for the installation guide, i don't think that went through but i know a lot of the format stuff was resolved | 14:45 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thanks to annegentle | 14:45 |
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| annegentle | I have a proposal for naming conventions for both service and project names here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201160/ | 14:45 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201160/ | 14:45 |
| annegentle | Please review for the contexts you've seen in all docs | 14:46 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | wonderful i will take al look at these | 14:46 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes I sure will | 14:46 |
| annegentle | I'm not completely sure the "first word cap only" will stick | 14:46 |
| annegentle | for service names | 14:46 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok | 14:47 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thats fine | 14:47 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | when we get the final verdict we'll have to do some cleanup | 14:47 |
| annegentle | But that's the proposal now | 14:47 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | okay I guess we shall see | 14:47 |
| annegentle | ayup either way (only first cap or cap em all) will require changes. | 14:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | yes lots o' changes! | 14:48 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so stay tuned for the outcome foliks | 14:48 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | folks* | 14:48 |
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| annegentle | :) | 14:49 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic APAC Meetups | 14:49 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up, ping asettle & adahms | 14:49 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 14:49 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | nothing really more on that | 14:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Spotlight bug | 14:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Last week's spotlight bugs: two were closed, the third is in progress. Yay! | 14:50 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1330005 Glance image properties and values (low hanging fruit) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1330005 in openstack-manuals "Glance image properties and values are not documented" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to idzzy (idzzy) | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1394397 Nova notification_driver | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1394397 in openstack-manuals "notification_driver is poorly documented" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Joseph Robinson (joseph-r-email) | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1205402 iPXE ISO boot support | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1205402 in openstack-manuals " xenapi: Added iPXE ISO boot support" [Medium,Won't fix] | 14:51 |
| annegentle | yay bug squashing | 14:52 |
| katomo | Yay! | 14:52 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | woo hoooo! | 14:52 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok so any questions on that? | 14:52 |
| annegentle | looking forward to this week's spotlight bugs :) | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | Many of our incoming bugs are from DocImpact, so one idea I have is to add DocImpact to our review dashboard. | 14:54 |
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| annegentle | then we can review to assess the impact and see if it really should become a bug in openstack-manuals. | 14:55 |
| annegentle | Adding DocImpact to a review queue may deflect bugs early, and is also a way to get engaged early with the teams. | 14:55 |
| annegentle | We use this method for the API working group for example. | 14:55 |
| annegentle | give me a sec, I'll post a link | 14:56 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | okay | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Im not opposed to that idea | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sounds efficient | 14:57 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+message:DocImpact,n,z | 14:57 |
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| annegentle | You can see there are probably a couple hundred. | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | there are a lot | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes | 14:58 |
| annegentle | One trend Lana found was DocImpact in a spec commit message, so hopefully we can ask devs not to do that. | 14:58 |
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| katomo | sound good | 14:58 |
| annegentle | I mean, early warning is great, but the spec template already has a Documentation impact section | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes | 14:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | okay so what do we need to do to get the ball rolling on adding it to our review dashboard | 14:59 |
| annegentle | and we don't need more bugs :) | 14:59 |
| annegentle | ShillaSaebi_: I'll take it you can give me an action | 14:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #Action annegentle to get the docimpact reviews added to our dashboard | 15:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | great looks like we are at time | 15:00 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thank you everyone for joining | 15:00 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | have a great week! | 15:01 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 15:01:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-15-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| katomo | thank you! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-15-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-15-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| annegentle | thanks ShillaSaebi_! | 15:01 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 16:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Howdy | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
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| vincent_hou | Hi folks. | 16:00 |
| winston-d_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| Fdaisuke | Hello! | 16:00 |
| dannywilson | hello | 16:00 |
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| srikanth_poolla | Hello everyone.. | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| patrickeast | hi | 16:01 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | #info hemna is continuing with the brick switch in nova, please help and review! | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175569/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| cebruns | Hello | 16:01 |
| thingee | #info Nova patches in flight for multi-attach support, please help and review! | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-volume-multiattach | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| erlon | hi | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
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| flip214 | hi | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #info Propose your topics for the Cinder Midcycle meetup! | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:02 |
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| thingee | you should see the header with "topics" | 16:02 |
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| ameade | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | #action thingee to mention this in the mailing list | 16:02 |
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| hemna | yo | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | o/ | 16:03 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:03 |
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| mtanino | o/ | 16:03 |
| thingee | #info apache/nginx support in cinder api will be approved assuming no objections this week | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192683/6 | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #info clone consistency group spec will be approved this week assuming no objections | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194834/4 | 16:03 |
| e0ne | thingee: thank you | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #info incremental backup enhancement spec will be approved this week assuming no objections | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187926/8 | 16:04 |
| xyang1 | thingee: thanks | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #info os-brick 0.3.0 will be released this week | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:05 |
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| hemna | nice | 16:05 |
| vincent_hou | Cool | 16:05 |
| thingee | #info cinderclient 1.3.1 is released with version discovery removed | 16:05 |
| hemna | thingee, thanks | 16:05 |
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| thingee | alright lets get started! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | One other announcement in case folks don't keep up on the mailing list: M release == Mitaka now. | 16:05 |
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| thingee | Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:05 |
| thingee | smcginnis: yes thank you :) | 16:05 |
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| vincent_hou | Wow. | 16:06 |
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| * jgriffith starts a pool on whether it changes again :) | 16:06 | |
| thingee | so I moved scottda's topic up because he has to cut out early | 16:06 |
| thingee | #topic Cinder <-> Nova API fixes Update | 16:06 |
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| thingee | scottda: hi | 16:06 |
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| scottda | HI | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Was so hoping for Musashi! | 16:06 |
| vincent_hou | Sounds Japanese. | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:06 |
| Swanson | I vote for Miku. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Might get there yet. ;) | 16:06 |
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| scottda | So, I'm trying to corral all the info, bugs, design ideas, work in this etherpad... | 16:07 |
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| vincent_hou | Actually they all sound the same to me. :-) | 16:07 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: Me too | 16:07 |
| hemna | scottda, I still have some work on my TODO list for this, mostly regarding live migration | 16:07 |
| scottda | I've put some goals, just my ideas. Please comment if they seem crazy or if you can think of other goals that involve fixing cinder-nova | 16:07 |
| scottda | I've listed ~20 bugs. | 16:07 |
| hemna | scottda, I'm going to document the drivers that have potential problems with initialize_connection | 16:07 |
| scottda | Not an exhaustive list, just that I got exhausted from searching. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Add me to your list. :) | 16:08 |
| scottda | I've put some design ideas and questions.... | 16:08 |
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| scottda | Please add and comment to that if you are interested. | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #action scottda is corral all the bugs, design ideas in etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:08 |
| winston-d_ | scottda: appreciate your efforts | 16:08 |
| hemna | smcginnis, heh ok. yah live migration is still a mess due to several things, but mostly because of how nova is calling cinder in some cases. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | scottda: wondering if we could take a small step back maybe. | 16:08 |
| scottda | I think I'll put out a survey on design ideas prior to the mid-cycle | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | scottda: so first, awesome job!!! | 16:08 |
| scottda | sure jgriffith | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | scottda: really great details and info here | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | scottda: but I twinge a little when I see things like "assumptions are wrong" | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | scottda: about "xyz" | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: the reason being is that we have never clearly defined these things to say who's right/wrong | 16:09 |
| * scottda is looking for that part | 16:09 | |
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| scottda | makes sense jgriffith | 16:09 |
| scottda | I think one goal is to clearly define the API | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I'm wondering if we should start by proposing what the flow "should" be form Cinder's point of view (and in some cases why) | 16:10 |
| hemna | having spent a great deal of time looking at this myself, nova is making some assumptions about cinder, what it can call and when, that just happen to not work for everyone. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and there it is again :) | 16:10 |
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| hemna | yes, there it is again. | 16:10 |
| hemna | I've been spending a great deal of time on this the last few weeks. | 16:10 |
| scottda | That's Goal #4 jgriffith , but I don't necessarily care about the ordering. | 16:11 |
| hemna | scottda, +1 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | hemna: My point is rather than continuing to just say "nova makes assumptions", lets define what we want these interfaces to do/mean | 16:11 |
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| scottda | jgriffith: +1 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | scottda: yes... so if I can finish :) | 16:11 |
| hemna | jgriffith, sure, that's always been our plan | 16:11 |
| thingee | scottda: if possible I would like to have a rough idea of a timeline based on volunteers what we can commit to in liberty | 16:11 |
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| hemna | but I think what we had to do first is understand what nova is doing right now and why it doesn't work. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I think it would be ideal and much easier for all of us to help out here if we started by defining the interface/s | 16:11 |
| scottda | first, jgriffith please finish.. | 16:12 |
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| thingee | scottda: of course not this entire list, but some movement instead of us coming with yet another etherpad on this subject. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: LOL | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | scottda: so what I was trying to ask.... do *you* see any benefit in starting out by laying out the definition of the calls/interface first? | 16:12 |
| thingee | scottda: that wasn't meant to come across what you're doing is a waste of time. I just want some people to commit to some work here. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: then proceeding from there? | 16:13 |
| scottda | Sure. I figured that after gathering input we would discuss this at the mid-cycle. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda: fi we did that, then I *think* it would be fairly easy to go forth and conquer | 16:13 |
| hemna | you have to understand the problem points first before you can propose solutions. | 16:13 |
| scottda | I imagine that there will be enough contention on things that we won't be able to come to consensus without being (mostly) face-to-face | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda: ahh.. yeah, I suppose that's not so far into the future at this point | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: You have to have a definition to start IMHO | 16:14 |
| thingee | scottda: I'm assuming we have communicated anything in the nova meetings yet because of how much yet has been defined? | 16:14 |
| scottda | thingee: correct | 16:14 |
| thingee | johnthetubaguy: ^ | 16:14 |
| scottda | I had hoped that post-midcycle we'd have some concrete plan and consensus to take to Nova | 16:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so do reach out to me, if/when you want to get things reviewed in Nova, will do my best to make that happen for you | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | scottda: Ok, that makes sense. Honestly it might be late for L to make changes in Nova... but I'd be curious depending on what we come up with how much we could just fix up on the Cinder side anyway | 16:15 |
| scottda | johnthetubaguy: Great, I/we will do. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | scottda: but anyhow, that's a completely different disucssion | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | scottda: Thanks for listening to me | 16:15 |
| thingee | alright so who is going to lay out the the definitions of the calls/interfaces? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1, see what we can do, then prep for M in nova. | 16:15 |
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| scottda | I think it will take >= 2 cycles for all this to change (nova and cinder) | 16:16 |
| hemna | I think it's 2 separate things at this point. 1) what can we do short term to make stuff work for L and 2) what do we do long term to fix the API and interaction. | 16:16 |
| thingee | #info it maybe too late to get changes into Nova at this point, may prep for M | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm happy to do a first draft.. then hemna and scottda or anybody else can jump in and shred it up :) | 16:16 |
| scottda | I tried to capture long and short goals under Goals | 16:16 |
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| scottda | jgriffith: that would be great | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: can you commit to that be ready to show at the midcycle? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I can start it based on what we did in nova-volume when most of those calls were created | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | trying to get a backlog nova-spec merged before the summit sounds like a good goal for that stuff (and getting a summit session if we don't agree in time) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yes | 16:17 |
| thingee | jgriffith: thank you! | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: wait.. when is the mid-cycle? | 16:17 |
| scottda | johnthetubaguy: +1 to summit session | 16:17 |
| * jgriffith jokes | 16:17 | |
| thingee | jgriffith: haha | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Make sure you get your travel arranged. :) | 16:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | scottda: in a happy world, we will have agreed the plan by then, but if not, yeah, a joint summit session might be a good plan | 16:17 |
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| scottda | hemna: short term seems like bug fixes, long term is discussion, docs, and mid-cycle wrangling over issue IMO | 16:17 |
| hemna | scottda, +1 | 16:18 |
| thingee | #action jgriffith will write a first draft of defining call/interface | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: LOL... funny thing is I do have to do that... I'll be traveling all the week before ;) | 16:18 |
| tbarron | jgriffith will travel by horse | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:18 |
| hemna | scottda, leeantho and I have been working hard on the bug fix side for live migration at least. it's a mess. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | scottda: that sounds good | 16:18 |
| thingee | tbarron: +1 | 16:18 |
| tbarron | just tie him to his saddle after he visits microbreweries ... | 16:18 |
| thingee | scottda: great anything else? | 16:19 |
| scottda | Cool. Please comment wildly in the etherpad on the big stuff, i.e goals and design | 16:19 |
| scottda | that's it. Thanks all. | 16:19 |
| thingee | #topic Volume Migration Improvement has made some progress | 16:19 |
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| thingee | vincent_hou: hi | 16:19 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:19 |
| vincent_hou | Hi | 16:19 |
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| vincent_hou | I have a quick update with all cinder folks. | 16:19 |
| thingee | #info volume status management is waiting for comments | 16:19 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186312/ | 16:19 |
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| vincent_hou | I made some progress in the volume migration for L. | 16:19 |
| thingee | #info migration status management waiting for comments | 16:20 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189614/ | 16:20 |
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| vincent_hou | Have got 2 patches submitted for cinder . one for client. one for tempest. | 16:20 |
| thingee | #info tempest tests | 16:20 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195443/ | 16:20 |
| thingee | #info cinder client changes | 16:20 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189547/ | 16:20 |
| vincent_hou | You are welcome to download them and try them. | 16:20 |
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| vincent_hou | I love you folks' comments BTW. | 16:21 |
| vincent_hou | The volume has a better status and migration status management, with the migration progress. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:21 |
| erlon | vincent_hou: great! | 16:22 |
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| vincent_hou | Tempest can check if the retype/migration work among any drivers, if you configure two backends. Any back-end! | 16:22 |
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| vincent_hou | Cinder client can help you to check the migration status and progress if available. | 16:23 |
| thingee | vincent_hou: great thanks | 16:23 |
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| mtanino | vincent_hou: great for your much work. | 16:23 |
| thingee | anyone have objections they'd like to raise with some of this progress? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | vincent_hou: Thanks for your work on this! | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | vincent_hou: Thank you very much! | 16:24 |
| thingee | ok with that then... | 16:24 |
| thingee | #topic Add Fujitsu ETERNUS DX Volume Driver (again) | 16:24 |
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| thingee | Fdaisuke: hi | 16:24 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201500/ | 16:25 |
| Fdaisuke | I'm here | 16:25 |
| Fdaisuke | thingee: hi | 16:25 |
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| thingee | Fdaisuke: are you aware of previous openstack mailing list posts about this subject? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | My question is, if it was dropped in Kilo, why wasn't this addressed prior to L1 instead of waiting until now? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: maybe they didn't know it was dropped :) | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 on your question | 16:26 |
| Fdaisuke | yes, I understand the deadline was already past. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: :) We should probably talk about that one too. | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: indeed :) | 16:27 |
| thingee | Fdaisuke: we also have other vendors with drivers removed in K, that didn't make the cut in L-1. It wouldn't really be fair for us to make an exception here. | 16:27 |
| thingee | Fdaisuke: but this was communicated well ahead of time http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064072.html | 16:27 |
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| Fdaisuke | so, we planned re-merging of our driver for L, assuming the deadline would be l-3 as it was k-3. | 16:27 |
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| hemna | thingee, when was the driver removed? K ? | 16:28 |
| Fdaisuke | We couldn't fit our schedule to it as there're a lots of stuff to do such as purchasing new servers, assign people, etc. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yep | 16:28 |
| hemna | smcginnis, then I'd say, they missed the L deadline. M isn't that far away. | 16:29 |
| thingee | Fdaisuke: so I'm going to tell you what I tell everyone in this situation. You have priorities, and so does the community. Vendors don't define the timelines here, the community does. I absolutely welcome you to join the community and participate in these discussions so they're not a surprise. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:29 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1 | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee +1 to both of you | 16:29 |
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| thingee | Fdaisuke: the cinder community working towards this effort has been known for almost two years now. Things really being defined in a long email i sent in January 2015. This being a timing issue at this point is not really a good excuse. | 16:31 |
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| thingee | Fdaisuke: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:32 |
| vincent_hou | Fdaisuke: Try to stay more with the cinder community. IRC, Mail list, etc. | 16:33 |
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| erlon | thingee: do you have those links on your copy area? :P impossible to find that so fast | 16:33 |
| thingee | erlon: I do certain finds from the archive page of the mailing list. | 16:34 |
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| winston-d_ | erlon: trust search engine and your memory ;) | 16:34 |
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| thingee | Fdaisuke: I'm going to move on from this topic, but please start making preparations for M. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Would be good to spend a few minutes talking at the meetup about how to find stuff in the mailing list. :-) | 16:34 |
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| erlon | winston-d_: I would have to rely on the search engine, my memory is a disaster | 16:35 |
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| thingee | #topic Move cinderclient-dsvm-functional job to (non)voting queue | 16:35 |
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| thingee | e0ne: hi | 16:35 |
| e0ne | thingee: hi | 16:35 |
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| thingee | so mtreinish explained I'm crazy here for proposing this for a meeting topic | 16:35 |
| thingee | I agree | 16:35 |
| thingee | so any strong objections with this? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:35 |
| thingee | heh | 16:35 |
| e0ne | quick topic:) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | thingee: the part about the job, or you being crazy? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:36 |
| mtreinish | thingee: heh, I think we can all agree to blame jgriffith and move on :) | 16:36 |
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| thingee | #info job stats | 16:36 |
| thingee | #link | 16:36 |
| thingee | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=877&height=548&_salt=1436533755.887&from=00%3A00_20150524&until=23%3A59_20150715&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.experimental.job.check-cinderclient-dsvm-functional.FAILURE&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.experimental.job.check-cinderclient-dsvm-functional.SUCCESS&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.experimental.openstack.python-cind | 16:36 |
| thingee | erclient.total_changes&title=check-cinderclient-dsvm-functional | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | +A on both motions | 16:36 |
| thingee | dang it | 16:36 |
| thingee | #info review request | 16:36 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200522/ | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: rebase an I'm good with it for sure!! | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | err... e0ne | 16:36 |
| thingee | excellent! | 16:36 |
| thingee | #agreed rebase and merge it! | 16:37 |
| e0ne | i've updated change request | 16:37 |
| * jgriffith was just waiting for rebase | 16:37 | |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:37 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: done | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: me too :) | 16:37 |
| thingee | e0ne: anything else? | 16:37 |
| e0ne | thingee: no, thank you | 16:37 |
| flip214 | thingee: got that link from me? ;P | 16:37 |
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| e0ne | it was too quickly for me | 16:38 |
| flip214 | it's a bit long, though... | 16:38 |
| thingee | flip214: link? | 16:38 |
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| thingee | oh | 16:38 |
| flip214 | graphite.openstack.org/render... | 16:38 |
| thingee | flip214: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:38 |
| thingee | flip214: last item | 16:38 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:38 |
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| flip214 | no problem | 16:38 |
| Swanson | Blueprints for driver changes? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I've got a couple things :) | 16:39 |
| thingee | jgriffith: you have the floor | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks! | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | so first.. replication V2 | 16:39 |
| erlon | me too, id like to discus about our HBSD2 CI status | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I put a POC up to try and give a clearer picture of what was in the spec | 16:39 |
| * jungleboyj is excited! | 16:39 | |
| jgriffith | https://goo.gl/eTNPrb | 16:39 |
| thingee | #info replication v2 | 16:40 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155644/ | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | So most of the comments are detail things... but a couple bigger ones | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | well... not really big ones; the auto-failover thing | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | everybody agree on just leaving that out for now? | 16:41 |
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| patrickeast | yea | 16:41 |
| dannywilson | +1 | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | i think the initial version of this doesn’t really need it, right? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:41 |
| kmartin | +1 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | and anybody have any glaring objections to the current direction? | 16:41 |
| vincent_hou | y | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | One question that came up fro me when doing this was (well couple questions): | 16:41 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm | +1 | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | 1. The existing V1 stuff... just replace it's API calls and reuse them, or keep them and make it a config option to fall back for a deprecation period? | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Still need to actually review closely. | 16:42 |
| thingee | #agreed auto-failover isn't needed in the initial version | 16:42 |
| thingee | jgriffith: please reference this when needed ^ | 16:42 |
| thingee | :) | 16:42 |
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| j_king | can I close https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1298135 ? anyone affected by that? | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1298135 in Cinder "Cinder should handle token expiration for long ops" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to j_king (james-agentultra) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | the other question I had.... | 16:43 |
| Swanson | Haven't read that spec since it first came out. Will take another look. | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | Config versus just using update_targets? | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | j_king: We're affected by it, not looked at the implied trusts stuff yet | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: sorry.. forget the spec.... just look at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200269/ | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | IMO it's easier to get an idea from that than the spec | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | on opinions on the two questions there? | 16:44 |
| Swanson | jgriffith: thanks! | 16:44 |
| e0ne | j_king: we met this issue few times | 16:44 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sorry not familiar to comment | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Yayyy! /me has full liberty :) | 16:44 |
| dannywilson | jgriffith: more info on config vs. update_targets? | 16:44 |
| dannywilson | or is it too much detail to go into? | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: As far as leaving an option to go back to V1 and having an option. I think we want to just move forward with V2. I know Tao and Ronen are looking at the impact on the existing code right now but their first impression is that we can move forward pretty easily. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dannywilson: so initially I thought "use config file to specify replication targets to a driver" | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | dannywilson: ++ | 16:45 |
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| j_king | DuncanT: I have some ideas/code I can put into a WIP review but it looks like it might not work without some help from keystone folks. | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | dannywilson: but then I wrote a little code that introduced an "add_target" method to the api | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | making the config file seem somewhat pointless | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | j_king: DuncanT do you mind waiting till I finish this topic? | 16:45 |
| j_king | sure. | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | sure | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | or have your side conversation elsewhere? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | dannywilson: so using the API is trivial IMO | 16:46 |
| dannywilson | jgriffith: add_target would be called on a per volume basis? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | dannywilson: no, it would be called for a backend | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | dannywilson: specify valid secondary configs via that call | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dannywilson: then it's up to you to set up which (or all) via type specification | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dannywilson: which can be auto-handled by driver, or explicit or whatever you want | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | dannywilson: but my main goal here is to remove as much of the vendor unique stuff from the main code | 16:47 |
| dannywilson | jgriffith: gotcha | 16:47 |
| patrickeast | so is the thought here that there would also be api’s to change the targets, list them, etc? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | and leave most of the burden on the driver, rather than the proper cinder code | 16:48 |
| Fdaisuke | thingee: Thanks for the comments. We might sounded like we're not aware of all the announcements in the past, but we're :) Since our driver is not completely new one, we thought we could find a chance to discuss it for Liberty inclusion. | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: yes... admin API's | 16:48 |
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| patrickeast | gotcha | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: and only two... "list" and "update" | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: dannywilson please see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200269/1/cinder/volume/manager.py L#2737 | 16:49 |
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| dannywilson | jgriffith: +1 for apis, makes it easier to change as well (though that probably doesn't happen often) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I don't have the list method in there though | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | dannywilson: Hope not, but regardless at least there' s no downtime or restart of services to make a change | 16:49 |
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| dannywilson | jgriffith: right | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I guess nobody has looked at this yet, so we can table the conversation for now | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: j_king all yours | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | Oh.. no, wait | 16:50 |
| j_king | jgriffith: solved it out of band. :) | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | one other thing :) | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | j_king: cool! | 16:50 |
| Swanson | Blueprints for driver changes? Like, say, mine? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199631/ | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201812/ | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Added it as a midcycle meeting topic to discuss bps and bugs. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Will be on it ASAP. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to take up meeting time arguing and trying to justify, but happy to have a conversation in channel | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | and explain the rationale in more detail as well as pros/cons etc | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | which could lead to an updated commit message | 16:52 |
| erlon | Can we talk about the HBSD2 CI status? | 16:53 |
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| erlon | real quick | 16:53 |
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| thingee | erlon: sure | 16:53 |
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| erlon | so, our CI was disabled, we had it turn off due a bug we where working | 16:53 |
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| erlon | after a power failure, we bring up the machine, and it stated to post failure status into gerrit | 16:54 |
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| erlon | as, the change has just being merged, we needed it enabled again to test against the new patch | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: I do think you were disabled too quickly. There are certainly others that deserve it more. | 16:55 |
| erlon | anteaya: Anita asked to talk to you guys to ask her to re-enable it | 16:56 |
| erlon | smcginnis: yep, surely, I not even notice that | 16:56 |
| thingee | erlon: I'll look at the stats | 16:56 |
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| erlon | thingee: you mean the stats of this CI? | 16:57 |
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| thingee | erlon: I'll look at the announce third party list | 16:57 |
| thingee | anything else from anyone? | 16:57 |
| erlon | thingee: ok | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minute warning. | 16:58 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 16:58:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-15-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| thingee | thanks | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-15-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-15-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
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| vincent_hou | CU! | 16:58 |
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| mtanino | thingee: hi, are you around? | 18:37 |
| thingee | mtanino: hi | 18:38 |
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| mtanino | thingee: hi | 18:38 |
| mtanino | thingee: I posted base framework of get_capabilities https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201243/, because this is requirement for my proposal. | 18:38 |
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| mtanino | thingee: If possible, please give some feedbacks for the patch. | 18:39 |
| thingee | mtanino: wow, sure | 18:39 |
| thingee | mtanino: I'm a bit busy right now, but I will | 18:39 |
| mtanino | thingee: yes not now. | 18:39 |
| mtanino | thingee: If you have a chance. | 18:39 |
| mtanino | thingee: I know your spec is not finished yet, but base framework is needed for my proposal :) | 18:40 |
| thingee | mtanino: understood | 18:40 |
| mtanino | thingee: Thanks :) | 18:41 |
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| anteaya | mtanino: this is a meeting channel, perhaps you should join #openstack-dev or #openstack-cinder for continuing the conversation | 19:00 |
| mtanino | oops, | 19:01 |
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| mtanino | sorry for my mistake | 19:01 |
| anteaya | no problem | 19:01 |
| mtanino | I thoought I'm on Cinider... | 19:01 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:02 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 20:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| zaneb | I am here | 20:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:01 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| Kairat | o/ | 20:02 |
| zaneb | fyi stevebaker is away this week, so I drew the short straw | 20:02 |
| pas-ha | is it rly only 4 of us here? o_O | 20:03 |
| skraynev | o/ | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | I know ryansb is here because I spoke to him like 4 minutes ago | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | well, let's get started | 20:04 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-07-015_2000_UTC.29 | 20:04 |
| zaneb | nice of somebody to create an agenda | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | any other topics? | 20:04 |
| randallburt | nope. looks like a short one today... | 20:05 |
| zaneb | my favourite kind :) | 20:05 |
| pas-ha | not from me, thanks everyone who's answered on my ML yesterday | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #topic important reviews | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "important reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:05 | |
| randallburt | agreed | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:05 |
| randallburt | designate stuff merged so I took them off the list | 20:06 |
| zaneb | cool | 20:06 |
| zaneb | what do we normally do in this part of the meeting? | 20:07 |
| ryansb | talk about important reviews | 20:07 |
| zaneb | exhort everyone to review harder? | 20:07 |
| ryansb | or beg them to | 20:07 |
| randallburt | yep | 20:07 |
| ryansb | exhort, beg, wheedle, encourage, etc | 20:08 |
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| randallburt | so many red exes on the convergence patches | 20:08 |
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| Kairat | I have 2 questions that I wonder this week | 20:09 |
| zaneb | randallburt: they probably all need a rebase after the mock 1.1 funness | 20:09 |
| Kairat | The first is related to convergence | 20:09 |
| randallburt | zaneb: yeah. someone needs a swift kick for that one | 20:10 |
| Kairat | On scale we faced withe following problem: when creating a big stack heat is ddosing nova | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | Kairat: more than it was with non-convergence? | 20:10 |
| Kairat | big = a lot of instances in one stack | 20:10 |
| randallburt | Kairat: so that we can keep on topic of the patches for the moment: there's a lot of green on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153235/. Any reason its still not approved? | 20:10 |
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| Kairat | yep, it is not convergence | 20:11 |
| Kairat | I know we are developing some batching for resource groups | 20:11 |
| skraynev | randallburt: I personally don't know ;) | 20:11 |
| zaneb | looks like most of the priority reviews are specs... | 20:12 |
| zaneb | does that mean nobody is having trouble getting their code reviewed? | 20:12 |
| zaneb | or everyone is blocked on specs? :D | 20:12 |
| skraynev | zaneb: I have added one about deprecation changes (implementation Hidden status) | 20:13 |
| randallburt | skraynev: its approved now | 20:13 |
| skraynev | zaneb: everyone scares to do something with convergence without you :) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | :( | 20:13 |
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| skraynev | randallburt: thank you ! :) | 20:14 |
| skraynev | zaneb: it';s just my guess ;) | 20:14 |
| randallburt | skraynev: np | 20:14 |
| zaneb | ok, let's move on. Kairat, we'll get to you topic in open discussion | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | #topic high-priority bugs | 20:15 |
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| Kairat | zaneb, ok, thanks | 20:15 |
| zaneb | #link http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 20:15 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: note, when I copy-pasted agenda - I didn't check link (I hope it works) | 20:15 |
| zaneb | worked for me | 20:15 |
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| skraynev | fuh. it's good news for me :) | 20:16 |
| skraynev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1301320 should we changes some statuses for this bug ? | 20:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1301320 in heat "There are no accessibilities for the backup_stack" [High,Triaged] | 20:17 |
| zaneb | how many of these bugs are *actually* in progress I wonder | 20:17 |
| skraynev | or it's enough to have tag: fixed-by-convergence ? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | I think that's probably enough | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | we could drop it back to Medium | 20:18 |
| zaneb | since realistically we will never fix this except with convergence | 20:18 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: got it | 20:21 |
| pas-ha | I even wonder why "we do not have API to access backup stack"? access - yes (just append *), manipulation - no :) | 20:21 |
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| zaneb | looks like the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1465204 has actually merged | 20:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465204 in heat "convergence: resources not using the correct template on update" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Anant Patil (ananta) | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: the backup stack doesn't look much like any stack a user might recognise. I don't think making it visible through the standard API would be a Good Thing | 20:24 |
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| pas-ha | AFAIR it is visible - stack-show <stackname>* | 20:24 |
| pas-ha | if I'm not mistaken | 20:24 |
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| Kairat | just because backup_stack stored in DB | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | btw re bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1409814 - do we care for Icehouse any more (since the branch is no longer there..) | 20:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1409814 in heat "unit tests fail on stable/icehouse: "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'neutronclient'"" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Pradeep Kumar Singh (pradeep-singh-u) | 20:25 |
| zaneb | how did https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1468916 get moved to in progress? I don't see any patch for it... | 20:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468916 in heat "stack arn is too big for shorter ceilometer resource_id column" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kairat Kushaev (kkushaev) | 20:25 |
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| Kairat | zaneb, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196123/ | 20:27 |
| zaneb | Kairat: thanks, added as a comment | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: in theory we don't support Icehouse any more, so we can deep six that one | 20:28 |
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| pas-ha | yes, we even have nowhere to merge any potential fix already :) | 20:29 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: need to restore new branch ? ;) | 20:30 |
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| skraynev | s/new/old :) | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | yay, Infra would be super-happy :) | 20:30 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: it never affected master anyway, so I deleted Heat from affects (so it's icehouse only now) | 20:31 |
| zaneb | does the branch really go away altogether? | 20:31 |
| * zaneb did not know that | 20:31 | |
| pas-ha | branch - yes, tags do live | 20:32 |
| zaneb | interesting | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | ok, let's move on | 20:32 |
| zaneb | we got one off the list at least :) | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | #topic Show attribute base patch | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195609/ | 20:32 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I assume you added this topic :) | 20:33 |
| skraynev | zaneb: right :) | 20:33 |
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| skraynev | just want to ask people to review it. | 20:33 |
| zaneb | you have the floor | 20:33 |
| skraynev | need more feedback about two base patches on review :) | 20:34 |
| zaneb | added it to the etherpad | 20:34 |
| skraynev | zaneb: thx | 20:34 |
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| skraynev | Unfortunately we can not use some auto-generic method now (it's the reason, why I should add _show resource function to each resource) | 20:35 |
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| zaneb | saw one thing I can comment on :) | 20:36 |
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| skraynev | maybe I am wrong, but there are a lot of clients with their custom logic (on show) | 20:36 |
| zaneb | does that call the whole idea into question? | 20:36 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: not sure, I want to upload one cross-project spec with changing all client :) | 20:37 |
| skraynev | I just afraid, that it takes more time, then current approach | 20:37 |
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| skraynev | currently it looks expensive only for us :) | 20:37 |
| zaneb | ah right, and then after that we could have a generic method? | 20:37 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: correct, but IMO it may takes more time. | 20:38 |
| * zaneb is personally ok with that | 20:38 | |
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| zaneb | the resource plugin interface is a public API we need to maintain backwards compat on | 20:39 |
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| skraynev | however last comment from Divakar give me a good idea about using get... for most part of resources. | 20:39 |
| zaneb | so I'd rather be conservative about what we add to it | 20:39 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: I think, that common _show_resource method is not bad. | 20:40 |
| skraynev | I just will re-write it for some "special" resources :) | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | "special" :) | 20:41 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: who don't want to make normal utils in clients :) | 20:41 |
| zaneb | ok, shall we move on to the next topic? | 20:41 |
| skraynev | yes | 20:41 |
| zaneb | #topic batching of large templates | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | Kairat: go | 20:41 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, seems you would also have to add a class attribute "entity" like client.<entity>.get() | 20:41 |
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| Kairat | So we facing with problems on scale when launching large stacks (without convergence) | 20:42 |
| Kairat | large = 60 inst and more | 20:42 |
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| * pas-ha notes - as copy-pasted verbatim into template | 20:43 | |
| skraynev | pas-ha: make sense (suggest to discuss it tomorrow ;) ) | 20:43 |
| Kairat | It turns out that we are ddosing nova (and perhaps other services) and it cannot manage a lot of get requests | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | which is frightening in itself :D | 20:44 |
| pas-ha | actually what we found is that stack validation is the most troublesome part - it is synchronous | 20:44 |
| Kairat | I am interesting how we can manage such cases in convergence | 20:44 |
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| Kairat | because heat will be faster | 20:44 |
| Kairat | with the new architecture | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | actually, I think Heat will be slower | 20:45 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: i did not check it for master honestly (only for juno) | 20:45 |
| pas-ha | since validation can make "lots" of API calls to e.g. Glance | 20:45 |
| Kairat | pas-ha, cashing can help us | 20:45 |
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| skraynev | Kairat, pas-ha: with validation constraints - yes | 20:45 |
| Kairat | zaneb, even if it will be slower the problem stays | 20:46 |
| zaneb | Kairat: agreed | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, it is synchronous in master https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/service.py#L707-L710 | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | convergence phase 1 doesn't really make a big difference either way to this | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | Kairat, no, slower means more delays between API calls, less ddosing | 20:46 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: I though, that we skipped it there (for master)... | 20:47 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: but may be I mixed it with some patch on review | 20:47 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: that might get from 60 to like 65 | 20:47 |
| pas-ha | no, only for non-reslovable right-now references | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | I wish we had some way of typing parameters | 20:48 |
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| pas-ha | so, as I was saying, for large stack validation may take too long, and rpc call from api to create simply times out | 20:49 |
| skraynev | zaneb: and all of these requests will happen in one moment ? or one by one with some delay ? | 20:49 |
| zaneb | so that e.g. once we had validated something as a glance.image it would have that type and always be accepted as such | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: depends on the template | 20:49 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: correct, but I suppose (caching should solve it) or you want suggest something else ? :) | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: that's interesting. ryansb - that's probably why we had to increase the timeout in TripleO | 20:50 |
| pas-ha | btw, in resource-group + environment, how many times the e.g image parameter of the inner template will get validated? | 20:50 |
| skraynev | zaneb: in worst case - 100+ OS::Nova::Servers without resource group | 20:50 |
| Kairat | pas-ha, we don't know if nova will work when creating stack and polling nova | 20:50 |
| Kairat | pas-ha, IMO, even if validation will pass we might face with some problems when polling | 20:51 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I was saying that any slow-down in Heat from convergence would have a very marginal impact on the rate of requests to Nova | 20:51 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, understood | 20:51 |
| zaneb | so one thing we have talked about is having batching on create (not just update) for scaling groups | 20:52 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: hm. so potential issue will be still there :) | 20:52 |
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| zaneb | though obviously that would only help here if y'all were using a scaling group | 20:52 |
| Kairat | we have some specs for resource group | 20:52 |
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| Kairat | * batching for resource group | 20:53 |
| pas-ha | IMO everyone creating 100+vms should use at lease resource group :) | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | Kairat: ramishra is working on a patch for that I know | 20:53 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: agree, however I am not sure, that we can forbid use copy-pasted code :( | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | Kairat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194052/15 | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: we can, by timing out before it finished validation ;) | 20:54 |
| chuprykov | zaneb: isn't this just refactoring? | 20:55 |
| zaneb | chuprykov: no. I think the refactoring comes later in the series | 20:55 |
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| Kairat | pas-ha, i am wondering if many users will create stacks in parallel | 20:56 |
| chuprykov | zaneb: i have spec on batching https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183506/ | 20:56 |
| skraynev | zaneb: yes :) small timeout makes deploying huge stack painful :) | 20:56 |
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| pas-ha | Kairat, that's also surely true | 20:56 |
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| chuprykov | zaneb: dont seems that ramishra's patch add batching on create | 20:58 |
| zaneb | not on create, no | 20:58 |
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| zaneb | that would be a separate change required for both AutoscalingGroup and ResourceGroup | 20:58 |
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| chuprykov | just usual rolling_update | 20:58 |
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| Kairat | So it seems the problem is still here and it is quite complex) | 20:58 |
| zaneb | Kairat: we have 2 minutes. did you have another topic? | 20:59 |
| zaneb | 1 minute | 20:59 |
| pas-ha | not so short meeting after all :) | 20:59 |
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| Kairat | Nope | 20:59 |
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| Kairat | That's all from me | 20:59 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: we break expectations :) | 20:59 |
| zaneb | ok, let's wrap up and decamp to #heat | 20:59 |
| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
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| Kairat | Thanks | 20:59 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 20:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-15-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-15-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-15-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 21:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
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| wbhuber_ | here | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | i | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | yo | 21:00 |
| MooingLemur | 🐄 | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
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| dfg_ | hey | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | great | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | I know we've got a few people who are out (acoles, peluse, clayg) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda is at | 21:01 |
| aerwin | \o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| notmyname | first up, some general stuff | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-hackathon-tickets-17308818141 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | hackathon registration link there ^ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | if you have questions, please feel free to ask me (or jrichli) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there | 21:02 |
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| ho | how many people will be there? 30? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ho: yes, I believe so | 21:03 |
| notmyname | also, today (in just under 10 hours) is the deadline for conference presentations at the tokyo summit | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 21:03 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | so please submit a talk if you want to speak | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | this is for the conference part, not the technical sessions | 21:03 |
| notmyname | we'll do technical session stuff later | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | figuring out that schedule | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | also, especially if you aren't from the US, please check *now* about visa requirements for Japan. you may need to start the process now to have everything in time | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | any other general info from people before we move on to the other scheduled topics? | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic swiftclient release | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swiftclient release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:06 | |
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| notmyname | so I tried to do a swiftclient 2.5.0 release yesterday | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | it didn't happen though | 21:06 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:06 |
| kota_ | on, no | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | just tried | 21:06 |
| notmyname | reason being, I don't have permissions to do it anymore | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | ?! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so there's been a change in how "library projects" are released | 21:07 |
| notmyname | it's fairly new | 21:07 |
| notmyname | but here's some links (and then I'll summarize) | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066346.html | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/README.rst | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | Summary: with so many "library" projects, releases are done differently and inconsistently. Now, only let a small group ("library-release") actually do the release and try to automate some stuff. Eventually, make a "releases" repo that has a bunch of yaml files to include info about each release, and kick off some jobs based on those files. | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | the new way is for me to submit a gerrit pull request to a new repo (recently created) and then it's supposed to get approved | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | so...that's the new way of things | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I'll try to work through that and adjust and find out what's best | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I've got to balance "how big of a deal would it be to not do this" against being in the "normal" way of things with the rest of openstack projects and see what the relative costs are | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | my goal is that i'll be the only one to have to worry about the process/bureaucracy so everyone else can focus on getting code landed | 21:11 |
| notmyname | but I wanted to share what's happened and why the release didn't happen yesterday | 21:11 |
| torgomatic | yep, it's not openstack until you have to file a Ticket to Push Something | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | so to avoid further frustration, let's move on to the next topic :-) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | (although i'm happy to discuss this with anyone later, if you want) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #topic python3 support | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | hmm...doesn't look like haypo is here | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | ok, there's been a lot of patches (i'm sure you've seen) about making swift work with py3 | 21:13 |
| notmyname | right now, it's slow, hard to review, of marginal benefit, and causes frustration for both the patch authors and the reviewers | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so, let's find something better | 21:14 |
| notmyname | the current strategy seems to be around "here's a thing that needs to be ported; fix it everywhere" | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | the problem is that you end up with big patches that are *very* hard to review and check that there is no benefit, and you can't even see a green py34 gate job at the end! | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | so I think there are a couple of different options we have for actually making progress | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | well, you can't see a green py34 gate anyway because of pyeclib | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | well, first.. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I'm presupposing that "works with py3" is a good thing. I think it is. is there any disagreement on that point? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok, good :-) | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | "works with py3" is good. "works with py3" is also not my top priority. | 21:17 |
| * peluse sneaks in late... | 21:17 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: I don't think anyone disagrees ther e:-) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, so there are 2 options we have for moving forward with py3 support | 21:17 |
| notmyname | one option is to freeze the world and port all at once then let dev work continue | 21:18 |
| notmyname | the advantage is that it takes care of it all at once (modulo any linkering port issues that cause bugs that sneak in) | 21:18 |
| * torgomatic votes for option two, whatever it is | 21:18 | |
| notmyname | lol | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:18 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:18 |
| notmyname | yeah, the downside is that you freeze the world | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ok, the other option is that we go for a depth-first instead of a breadth-first method | 21:19 |
| redbo | hah.. I mean you're really just freezing merges. And forcing reconciling conflicts onto everyone else. | 21:19 |
| redbo | If we could do it in a week, it wouldn't be so bad. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | redbo: right, but knowing how long stuff like that takes | 21:20 |
| notmyname | do you think we could do it in a week? | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | so right now we're taking one issue at a time and porting it across the project | 21:20 |
| redbo | I have no idea! It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility. | 21:21 |
| notmyname | the alternative would be to take one module at a time and port everything in it. start with modules that have few import links and move up. then exclude the code that hasn't been ported yet so we get a passing gate | 21:21 |
| notmyname | if we do one module at a time, I think it would probably take longer, but we'd have a passing gate job and wouldn't have to freeze the world for this to land | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | so that's the question. what do you think? which would you rather? | 21:22 |
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| jrichli | depth first +1 | 21:22 |
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| redbo | I'd really like to know how long we'd have to stop the world | 21:23 |
| wbhuber_ | +1 | 21:23 |
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| wbhuber_ | if we figure out how long it would take, it d help us make a better decision | 21:24 |
| notmyname | here's the current py3 patches | 21:24 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:master+topic:py3,n,z | 21:24 |
| notmyname | at least those with a "py3" topic | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | definitely the second; if our estimates are low, then stop-the-world paralyzes all development, while one-at-a-time at least lets other development continue, even if it is more merge-conflict-prone | 21:24 |
| kota_ | 15 patches | 21:24 |
| notmyname | wbhuber_: redbo: how do we figure out how long we'd have to freeze? | 21:25 |
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| jrichli | IME regression testing and issues always take longer than expected | 21:25 |
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| joeljwright | if my experience with swiftclient are anything to go by, the issues can be frustrating and subtle | 21:26 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: porting issues or resulting bugs? | 21:26 |
| joeljwright | there are always new issues related to unicode | 21:26 |
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| joeljwright | and even when things are passing, you might not be testing what you think you are | 21:26 |
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| joeljwright | there are still patches to fix py3 behaviour in the swiftclient queue now | 21:27 |
| joeljwright | and py3 has been turned on for ages | 21:27 |
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| ho | +1 for the second (joeljwright: thanks for the info) | 21:28 |
| jrichli | I am curious to hear what acoles and clayg have to say on the topic | 21:28 |
| joeljwright | unfortunately acoles is off enjoying himself somewhere sunny | 21:28 |
| redbo | True, we use utf-encoded byte strings all over the place, and py3 will probably be easier if we use unicode representations. And then you have to deal with things like how do you urlencode a unicode object all over the place. | 21:28 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: couldn't we freeze for an acceptable amount of time, say a week. merge as much as possible, then unfreeze allowing the world to move again, and re-evaluate what to do next after that? | 21:28 |
| * peluse is holding out for py4 | 21:29 | |
| notmyname | doing the depth-first type of port also presupposes that it's possible to find disconnected modules that can be ported | 21:29 |
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| jrichli | we could start with depth-first on the modules that seem easier to "disconnect" and go until maybe the rest is doable altogether | 21:30 |
| notmyname | this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199034/ is close to what I'm describing. it uses a whitelist instead of a blacklist for the py34 check, but there's still a lot of files touched just to get test_exceptions ported | 21:30 |
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| redbo | Anywhere you urlencode or md5 a string, you have to know to convert it to utf-8 first since those operate on bytes. Finding all that junk will be the hard part. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | jrichli: yeah, I think that's what we'd effectively get to anyway | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | redbo: what do you think of porting the disconnected stuff and getting a gate passing on them, then reevaluating as we get to more connected modules? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: ^ | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | if y'all are ok with that, then I'll talk to haypo about it this week | 21:35 |
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| hurricanerix | sounds ok to me. | 21:35 |
| redbo | Sure, if we can make it work and find smaller units to pull out and fix. | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I suspect we'll end up with a big chunk of work at the end, but not 100% at once | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll talk to haypo and janonymous this week about it | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | or write somethign up so we can point poeple at it. that would probably be better (more scalable than when i'm awake and online) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks for the input! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #topic container sync | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: this is your topic | 21:37 |
| eranrom | thanks | 21:37 |
| notmyname | you have a lot of good links in the meeting agenda. can you summarize? | 21:37 |
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| eranrom | summary: | 21:38 |
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| eranrom | 1. Existing container sync is single process single threaded and generate very low sync BW | 21:38 |
| eranrom | 2. Written in a way that every object is likely to get copied up to 4 timesa | 21:39 |
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| eranrom | a relatively simple change which adds parallelism greatly improves the BW it can generate | 21:39 |
| MooingLemur | \o/ | 21:39 |
| eranrom | the links summarise (1) measurements of before and after | 21:40 |
| eranrom | (2) show how the parallel code looks like | 21:40 |
| redbo | we tested container sync and shut it off almost immediately because polling for things to sync uses a lot of resources. wouldn't paralellizing that make it worse? | 21:40 |
| eranrom | not necessarily | 21:40 |
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| eranrom | you can tune the time it is wokring and the amount of parallelism | 21:40 |
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| eranrom | I guess the problem is worse if the ratio of synced / not synced is really small | 21:41 |
| MooingLemur | especially since you would most likely put container db on SSDs, and the rust drives holding your objects wouldn't necessarily get touched any more often if your were in sync | 21:41 |
| MooingLemur | your + containers | 21:42 |
| eranrom | agree. | 21:42 |
| MooingLemur | but in my case, ingest rate often exceeds the rate that container syncs can possibly occur | 21:42 |
| MooingLemur | single-threaded | 21:42 |
| eranrom | I also agree that an appraoch taken for the reconsiliator might be better, but from our point of view we prefer to first have a solution that works - perhaps sub optimal but works and then make it better | 21:42 |
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| eranrom | MooingLemur: So I take it that you want parallelism | 21:43 |
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| MooingLemur | even syncing N containers in parallel would work well, since we're sharded out quite wide. | 21:43 |
| MooingLemur | not necessary to sync a single container any differently. We just need more workers. | 21:43 |
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| eranrom | In fact the suggested patch do both multi-processing (each process gets to sync a different container) and multi-threading (each process will sync a container using many threads) | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: you hinted that you have before and after numbers. meaning you've already got your solution coded up? running somewhere? | 21:45 |
| eranrom | yes | 21:45 |
| MooingLemur | nice :D | 21:45 |
| redbo | I'd just like to see the "figuring out what needs to be synced" re-architected so it doesn't use so many resources. Then if you use a bunch of parallelism for the actual object transfers, that makes sense. | 21:46 |
| notmyname | eranrom: is that split possible with what you've done? | 21:46 |
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| eranrom | Well the split would require to change additional places so as to queue only the work that needs to be done | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | wouldn't that be very similar to the reconciler pattern? | 21:47 |
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| eranrom | Another option is to build only the list of synced containers | 21:47 |
| eranrom | we can build it form the devices only once in a while and keep in memcahce | 21:48 |
| eranrom | I am not sure this is exactly what redbo meant, but is a big improvment. | 21:49 |
| redbo | Yeah. Basically we had it running and we had hardly any containers with sync turned on, but it was chewing up a ton of CPU. | 21:49 |
| notmyname | the reconciler builds that up in swift itself (in the .misplaced_objects container via the container replication process). then you've decoupled the sync transfer implementation from what needs to be synced | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | doing somethign similar with container sync seems possible right? | 21:50 |
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| eranrom | yes, in more then one way | 21:50 |
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| eranrom | with tradeoffs of effort to what you get from it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | I guess the more important question is if it is better. what do you think? | 21:51 |
| eranrom | To go the reconsiler way, we need to change things outside of container sync | 21:51 |
| * notmyname wants to wrap up this topic int he next two minutes (time's running out) | 21:51 | |
| eranrom | mainly to 'register' or queue the sync work that needs to be done | 21:51 |
| notmyname | eranrom: is there a specific quesiton or something or were you more looking for general input? | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | of course we'llcontinue discussing this outside of this meeting :-) | 21:52 |
| eranrom | ok, lets continue outside of the meeting. | 21:52 |
| eranrom | We can suggest a patch along the lines of what has been discussed so far | 21:52 |
| notmyname | ok. thanks for brining it up! I'm excited that you're working on it. it's a places that's really in need of improvement :-) | 21:53 |
| eranrom | my pleasure :-) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | we've got about 5 minutes left, so everything else get's trhown in here | 21:53 |
| notmyname | the last big thing I want to bring up is.. | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | EC bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec | 21:54 |
| notmyname | most listed there are resolved | 21:54 |
| notmyname | there is on "New" one | 21:54 |
| kota_ | I wrote up 2 patches for ec | 21:54 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201055/ | 21:54 |
| minwoob_ | I have two more in the works right now. | 21:54 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199043/ | 21:54 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: bugs or patches? :-) | 21:54 |
| minwoob_ | Patches for bugs. | 21:54 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:54 |
| kota_ | waiting to be reviewd | 21:55 |
| minwoob_ | So, two bugs. | 21:55 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: ah. are they not registered bugs yet? | 21:55 |
| minwoob_ | They are, and they're pretty close, in my opinion. | 21:55 |
| notmyname | summary being, these need to be resolved asap | 21:55 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: ok | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | and as soon as they are resolved, we can do a swift release | 21:55 |
| minwoob_ | One needs review, and the other is just in a merge conflict right now. | 21:55 |
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| minwoob_ | Aside from that, congrats to kota on the server side copy fix :-) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | everyone, please review the bugs and patches for them. I'll be starring them as I see them in gerrit | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up today in the meeting? | 21:57 |
| minwoob_ | notmyname: Sounds good. | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | great! | 21:58 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for coming today. and thanks for working on swift :-) | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-15-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-15-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
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