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jaypipes | edleafe, lxsli: scheduler meeting now, right? | 13:03 |
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lxsli | in alt I think | 13:05 |
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boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 14:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:00 |
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boris-42 | yfried: stpierre ping | 14:01 |
stpierre | pong | 14:01 |
yfried | boris-42: hi | 14:01 |
skraynev | hi all | 14:02 |
boris-42 | skraynev: hi there | 14:02 |
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boris-42 | e0ne: hi | 14:02 |
temujin | hi all | 14:02 |
andreykurilin | o/ | 14:02 |
andreykurilin | \o | 14:02 |
skraynev | boris-42: try to split mind on two sync-ups :) | 14:02 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 14:03 |
yingjun | hi | 14:03 |
kun_huang | \o | 14:03 |
boris-42 | yingjun: hi hi | 14:03 |
amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
andreykurilin | temujin: o//////// | 14:03 |
temujin | pffff | 14:03 |
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rvasilets | Hi | 14:04 |
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e0ne | boris-42: hi | 14:04 |
boris-42 | okay let's get start) | 14:04 |
boris-42 | #topic Rally Meeting Agenda (finally we did it) | 14:05 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: Thank you for you hard work on this not so interesting task | 14:05 |
e0ne | boris-42: please post a link | 14:05 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: could you explain how it is organized ? and what you did | 14:05 |
rvasilets | boris-42, sure | 14:06 |
* yfried will be back in 10min | 14:06 | |
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rvasilets | We could find a link in priject info in wiki Rally page | 14:06 |
rvasilets | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally#Project_Info | 14:06 |
rvasilets | there is Project meetings | 14:06 |
rvasilets | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:07 |
e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:07 |
rvasilets | Before every weekly meeting we should post our suggestion to agenda. After a meeting I will briefly summarize our meeting in Previous Meetings | 14:08 |
rvasilets | eom | 14:08 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: as well we should add that meeting manager will be changed each 2 weeks | 14:08 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: so nobody will get to tired from doing this work | 14:09 |
e0ne | rvasilets: why you don't use meeting notes for summary? | 14:09 |
boris-42 | e0ne: because it's not human written | 14:09 |
e0ne | :) | 14:09 |
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boris-42 | e0ne: the same why we don't use release notes that are auto generated | 14:09 |
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e0ne | good point:) | 14:10 |
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andreykurilin | e0ne: the same why we don't use tempest for testing rally | 14:10 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin: LOL | 14:11 |
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boris-42 | okay so the idea is next | 14:11 |
boris-42 | if you want to discuss something you should add it to agenda | 14:11 |
boris-42 | in such way we will have more organized and useful meeting | 14:11 |
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e0ne | boris-42: +! | 14:12 |
e0ne | boris-42: +1 | 14:12 |
boris-42 | skraynev: yingjun stpierre redixin ^ | 14:12 |
skraynev | boris-42: ok. currently is nothing from me | 14:12 |
yingjun | looks good | 14:13 |
redixin | I thought it is already like that ^ | 14:13 |
boris-42 | redixin: hehe | 14:14 |
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redixin | btw, IMO we should try to use all this meetbot stuff, and not bother people with making meeting summary by hand | 14:14 |
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andreykurilin | redixin: something like: | 14:15 |
boris-42 | redixin: this is good point to have better logs of meeting (but I would still prefer to have human written summaries) | 14:15 |
andreykurilin | #idea we should try to use all this meetbot stuff, and not bother people with making meeting summary by hand | 14:15 |
andreykurilin | ? | 14:15 |
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redixin | andreykurilin, yep | 14:16 |
rvasilets | #help | 14:16 |
redixin | https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 14:16 |
redixin | #link https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 14:16 |
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rvasilets | yhis bot is very limited | 14:17 |
rvasilets | bounded | 14:17 |
rvasilets | I don't now what tag to use when I whant to summerazi the topic | 14:18 |
rvasilets | for example | 14:18 |
rvasilets | * now=>know | 14:18 |
rvasilets | *summarize | 14:18 |
redixin | #agreed? | 14:18 |
rvasilets | ) | 14:19 |
boris-42 | #agreed We should use https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot tags | 14:19 |
rvasilets | ok its good idea | 14:19 |
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rvasilets | don;t forget to use them then! | 14:19 |
boris-42 | #agreed We should write summaries by hand | 14:19 |
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boris-42 | #agreed we should rotate each 2 weeks meeting manager | 14:19 |
boris-42 | #action We should create list of people who would like to help with task | 14:20 |
boris-42 | okay let's move to the first topic | 14:20 |
e0ne | 40 minutes reminder :) | 14:20 |
boris-42 | #topic Ironic benchmarks | 14:20 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: so? | 14:20 |
rvasilets | okey. I tried to add first Ironic benchmark https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186064/ and I thought that its done, but... | 14:21 |
rvasilets | I found some problem that I cant solve | 14:22 |
rvasilets | http://logs.openstack.org/64/186064/14/experimental/gate-rally-dsvm-ironic-rally/9b0a8d7/console.html#_2015-06-30_14_39_09_363 | 14:22 |
rvasilets | I got recursion and I don't know why! | 14:23 |
rvasilets | Need help | 14:23 |
rvasilets | This patch is desired for Ironic team to enable Rally job in Ironic tests | 14:23 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: wrong link | 14:23 |
rvasilets | eom | 14:23 |
boris-42 | http://logs.openstack.org/64/186064/14/experimental/gate-rally-dsvm-ironic-rally/9b0a8d7/console.html.gz#_2015-06-30_14_39_09_363 rvasilets this one shoudl work | 14:23 |
boris-42 | btw you should use | 14:23 |
boris-42 | #link http://logs.openstack.org/64/186064/14/experimental/gate-rally-dsvm-ironic-rally/9b0a8d7/console.html.gz#_2015-06-30_14_39_09_363 | 14:23 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: btw you forgot to send link to the patch actually* | 14:24 |
rvasilets | okey. Sorry for that. The link is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186064/ for the patch that need help | 14:24 |
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rvasilets | Is there someone who can help me with that? | 14:25 |
rvasilets | #help Is there someone who can help me with that? | 14:26 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: so did you take a look at the code of python ironic client? | 14:26 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: did you try to run by hands this commands and so on? | 14:26 |
rvasilets | yes | 14:26 |
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boris-42 | rvasilets: and they work? | 14:26 |
rvasilets | cli of Ironic is working | 14:27 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: not CLI | 14:27 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: did you use it as python client (lib) | 14:27 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: in exactly the same way as rally use it | 14:27 |
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rvasilets | no | 14:28 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: so try it firstly (to repeat the same commands) | 14:28 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: if they work then there is some difference between what you did in rally and by hand | 14:29 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: if they doesn't work there is difference between CLI and what you are doing | 14:29 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: in any case I will try to take a look at this | 14:29 |
rvasilets | But there is one more step to find that difference! | 14:30 |
boris-42 | #action rvasilets will try to understand why Ironic benchmarks doesn't work and why CLI of ironic works | 14:30 |
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boris-42 | #action boris-42 will review Ironic patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186064/ | 14:30 |
boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:30 |
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boris-42 | #topic Use DDT framework in tests | 14:31 |
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boris-42 | Okay guys let's use DDT framework for testing and rewrite all the tests on it | 14:31 |
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boris-42 | This framework is really nice | 14:31 |
rvasilets | #idea tag?) | 14:31 |
amaretskiy | we can not use ddt in all tests - only where that is usefult | 14:31 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: nope because it's topic | 14:31 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep but there is a lot of places where it is useful =) | 14:32 |
andreykurilin | vponomaryov: ^ | 14:32 |
amaretskiy | boris-42: ok :) | 14:32 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: part of group of tests can be rewritten on it | 14:32 |
yfried | boris-42: what is DDT? what's its adv? | 14:32 |
stpierre | this http://ddt.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ ? | 14:32 |
boris-42 | yfried: let me show the sample | 14:32 |
boris-42 | yfried: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/tests/unit/plugins/openstack/scenarios/manila/test_utils.py#L117-L133 | 14:33 |
boris-42 | #link sample of DDT way to test https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/tests/unit/plugins/openstack/scenarios/manila/test_utils.py#L117-L133 | 14:33 |
boris-42 | so?) | 14:34 |
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boris-42 | this module btw can be replaced with DDT https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/97c520c828fe7d44fb6b0ce3011bc23eefba1bb1/tests/unit/plugins/openstack/scenarios/neutron/test_loadbalancer_v1.py#L100-L127 | 14:34 |
amaretskiy | boris-42: 100% | 14:35 |
stpierre | seems like in some cases it'd be very useful, and in others can provide some marginal benefit by easily multiplying test cases (and thus hopefully increasing edge-case coverage) | 14:35 |
stpierre | but i don't think we need to be quite so dogmatic as rewriting *all* the tests with ddt :) | 14:35 |
* yfried agrees with stpierre | 14:35 | |
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stpierre | but it'd certainly simplify any of the cases where we have a _test_foo() function, and that's called from test_foo() and test_foo_failure() and test_foo_with_bar() and .... | 14:36 |
boris-42 | stpierre: yfried rewritting *all* the tests that should be rewriten | 14:36 |
yfried | we have enough on our plate without rewriting existing tests | 14:36 |
yfried | boris-42: rally coverage seems excellent already | 14:36 |
boris-42 | yfried: house keeping is very important task | 14:36 |
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boris-42 | yfried: I mean it looks like not important task, but it's actually curcial | 14:37 |
yfried | boris-42: I don't disagree, it's just priorities... | 14:37 |
stpierre | we should definitely keep ddt in mind for code reviews, and it'd be nice to rewrite obvious low-hanging fruit so that we have examples to point at | 14:37 |
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boris-42 | stpierre: yep | 14:37 |
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boris-42 | stpierre: these tasks are quite good for newbies | 14:37 |
boris-42 | stpierre: what we need is just set of bugs | 14:37 |
stpierre | and some of us seem to have a particular masochistic bent for working on unit tests | 14:37 |
boris-42 | stpierre: LOL | 14:37 |
yfried | boris-42: stpierre: I guess if someone volunteered to flag all refactor candidates and tag them as low-hanging fruits we can pick it up later | 14:38 |
boris-42 | #info yfried: so what we need for now is to block intorducing new cases where DDT should be used | 14:38 |
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yingjun | #agree using ddt for newly added tests, low priority to rewite | 14:39 |
boris-42 | everybody agree ^ ? | 14:39 |
amaretskiy | #agree | 14:39 |
yfried | boris-42: I'll have to look into DDT to know this for blocking new patches. could you please provide a good link? | 14:39 |
boris-42 | yfried: so this thing is quite simple | 14:40 |
boris-42 | it's just decorator that creates N times the same method with different arguments | 14:40 |
boris-42 | I belive the best sample is to take a look at manila plugins tests | 14:40 |
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yfried | boris-42: ack | 14:41 |
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stpierre | why don't we try to get a couple of existing tests converted as well, then we'll have a larger body of examples | 14:42 |
yfried | stpierre: good #idea | 14:42 |
stpierre | we don't need to do them all right now, but a couple more would be nice | 14:42 |
boris-42 | stpierre: yfried btw kiran can refactor | 14:43 |
boris-42 | stpierre: yfried own tests to use DDT | 14:43 |
boris-42 | and we will have a sample of patch that refactors part of tests | 14:43 |
yfried | boris-42: if kiran is willing to be the guinee pig :) | 14:43 |
boris-42 | that we can show to other | 14:43 |
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boris-42 | yfried: I think he likes to learn new stuff | 14:44 |
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boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:45 |
boris-42 | #topic Optimize Rally imports | 14:45 |
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boris-42 | Okay guys I did everything that was possible | 14:46 |
boris-42 | (without changing other libs) | 14:46 |
boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196493/ and here is the result of my work | 14:46 |
boris-42 | yfried: ^ | 14:47 |
yfried | boris-42: +2 | 14:47 |
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yfried | boris-42: it's a good patch | 14:48 |
boris-42 | The only thing that I am worried is that we are able to introduce regression in future | 14:48 |
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boris-42 | but there are part of really good changes e.g. lazy db that saves most of the time=) | 14:48 |
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boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:49 |
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boris-42 | #agree That patch should be merged =) | 14:49 |
boris-42 | #agreed That patch should be merged =) | 14:49 |
boris-42 | #topic Some review work update | 14:49 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: ping | 14:49 |
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kun_huang | boris-42: pong | 14:50 |
kun_huang | there some patches need to track | 14:50 |
kun_huang | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rally_review_work | 14:50 |
kun_huang | the one who submit sahara related patches seems leaving | 14:51 |
yfried | kun_huang: why do we need this? https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Aopenstack%2Frally%29+status%3Aopen&title=Rally+Dashboard&Critical+for+next+release=%28starredby%3A%22mdubov%40mirantis.com%22+AND+starredby%3A%22boris%40pavlovic.me%22%29+AND+status%3Aopen&Waiting+for+final+approve=label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252cjenkins+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252crally%252Dci+NOT+owner%3Aself+label%3ACode%252DReview% | 14:51 |
yfried | 3E%3D2+NOT+label%3ACode%252DReview%252D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%252D1+NOT+owner%3Aself+label%3ACode%252DReview%3E%3D2+NOT+label%3ACode%252DReview%252D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%252D1+NOT+%28starredby%3A%22amaretskiy%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22akurilin%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22boris%40pavlovic.me%22+OR+starredby%3A%22yingjun.li%40kylin%252Dcloud. | 14:51 |
yfried | com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22mdubov%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22sskripnick%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22yfried%40redhat.com%22%29&Bug+fixes=topic%3A%22%5Ebug%2F.%2A%22+AND+status%3Aopen&Proposed+specs=%28message%3A%22%5Bspec%5D%22+file%3A%22%5E.%2Aspecs.%2A%22%29&Important+patches=%28starredby%3A%22boris%40pavlovic.me%22+OR+starredby%3A%22mdubov%40mirantis.com%22%29+NOT+%28starredby%3A%22mdubov%40mirantis.com% | 14:51 |
yfried | 22+AND+starredby%3A%22boris%40pavlovic.me%22%29+AND+status%3Aopen&Ready+for+review=label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252cjenkins+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252crally%252Dci+NOT+label%3ACode%252DReview%252D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%252D1+NOT+label%3ACode%252DReview%3E%3D2+NOT+%28starredby%3A%22amaretskiy%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22akurilin%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22boris%40pavlovic.me% | 14:51 |
yfried | 22+OR+starredby%3A%22yingjun.li%40kylin%252Dcloud.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22mdubov%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22sskripnick%40mirantis.com%22+OR+starredby%3A%22yfried%40redhat.com%22%29&Has+%252D1+but+passed+tests=label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252cjenkins+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%252crally%252Dci+label%3ACode%252DReview%252D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%252D1+NOT+label%3ACode%252DReview%3E%3D2 | 14:51 |
yfried | sorry | 14:51 |
boris-42 | yfried: uh oh=) | 14:51 |
kun_huang | yfried: I know this, it not 100% enough | 14:51 |
boris-42 | goo.gl/04aT6p | 14:51 |
yfried | boris-42: kun_huang: tried to post the link to boris-42's nice board | 14:51 |
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boris-42 | yfried: here is google short url goo.gl/04aT6p | 14:51 |
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boris-42 | kun_huang: so maybe we can extend that dashboard? | 14:52 |
kun_huang | boris-42: yep, I will try it | 14:52 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: .e.g. if I mark patch with star it will become important one | 14:52 |
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boris-42 | kun_huang: if it has +2 it is close to merge (e.g. in separated column) | 14:52 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: we can add you to the people who can manage important patches | 14:53 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: if you would like to maintain this kind of work | 14:53 |
kun_huang | boris-42: :-) | 14:53 |
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boris-42 | kun_huang: so what do you think? | 14:54 |
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kun_huang | boris-42: “people who can manage important patches” means core? | 14:54 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: nope it's all by hand ... | 14:54 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: btw I belive we can put acl group | 14:55 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: or create new one specially for this | 14:55 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: I will try to play with it | 14:55 |
kun_huang | boris-42: me too, I would love to have a try on it | 14:55 |
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kun_huang | let's go back to my topic it self first | 14:56 |
boris-42 | #action Do the changes with rally dashboard to fit kun_huang requirments) | 14:56 |
kun_huang | some came to rally and contribute their patches | 14:56 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: we have only 4 minute s=) | 14:56 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: so be fast=) | 14:56 |
kun_huang | some of patches seems be ignored and they are leaving | 14:57 |
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kun_huang | (my network broken just now) | 14:57 |
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boris-42 | kun_huang: so we are trying not to ignore stuff | 14:58 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: at least me... | 14:58 |
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boris-42 | kun_huang: so in any case we should add new rule | 14:59 |
boris-42 | #idea e.g. review the oldest patches firstly * | 14:59 |
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yfried | boris-42: kun_huang: I believe the dashboard should be able to show verifed patches that haven't been reivewd for a long while | 14:59 |
boris-42 | yfried: yep exactly | 14:59 |
kun_huang | good idea | 14:59 |
amaretskiy | #agree - review the oldest patches firstly | 14:59 |
boris-42 | kun_huang: we will try to add some kind of sort | 14:59 |
amaretskiy | fifo | 15:00 |
boris-42 | like latest review from core | 15:00 |
boris-42 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 15:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-06-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 15:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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anteaya | hello | 15:02 |
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eantyshev | hello! | 15:02 |
ctlaugh_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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anteaya | hello folks | 15:02 |
ameade | o/ | 15:02 |
akerr | o/ | 15:02 |
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anteaya | so to start off let's remember that asselin's sprint is the end of this week | 15:04 |
anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#OpenStack_Common-CI_Solution | 15:04 |
anteaya | and I see many of you have signed up | 15:04 |
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mmedvede | o/ | 15:04 |
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anteaya | so it will be great to work with you on Thursday and Friday to get as much done as we are able | 15:04 |
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anteaya | any questions on the sprint? | 15:05 |
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anteaya | jogo created this table | 15:06 |
anteaya | #link http://jogo.github.io/lastcomment/ | 15:06 |
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anteaya | it works for me in chrome and not in firefox | 15:07 |
anteaya | which is a nice compliment to patrickeast's tool here | 15:07 |
anteaya | #link http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24 | 15:07 |
anteaya | so with that out of the way | 15:07 |
anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:08 |
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anteaya | eantyshev: did your looping issue return? | 15:09 |
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eantyshev | anteaya: nope, but I have a little patch to discover why does it happen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148926/ | 15:10 |
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anteaya | eantyshev: nicely done | 15:11 |
anteaya | thank you | 15:11 |
eantyshev | anteaya: so when it is merged, I'll be able to tell the reason of failures | 15:12 |
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anteaya | yes, more logging is helpful | 15:12 |
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anteaya | if anyone else is able to review that patch, that would be wonderful | 15:12 |
anteaya | anything more on this topic? | 15:12 |
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eantyshev | anteaya: no | 15:12 |
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anteaya | okay great, thank you | 15:13 |
anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 15:13 |
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anteaya | we don't seem very chatty today | 15:14 |
anteaya | as a group | 15:14 |
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anteaya | perhaps everyone really enjoyed a long weekend | 15:14 |
ctlaugh_ | :) | 15:14 |
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anteaya | :) | 15:14 |
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anteaya | well no need to keep you if we have nothing to discuss | 15:14 |
anteaya | everyone knows to join the sprint channel for the sprint | 15:14 |
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anteaya | just show up and you will get further instructions during the sprint | 15:15 |
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anteaya | you don't have to prepare, just attend | 15:15 |
anteaya | well thank you all for your attendance and particpation today | 15:15 |
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anteaya | enjoy the rest of the day/evening/night | 15:16 |
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anteaya | and see you at the sprint | 15:16 |
anteaya | and next week | 15:16 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 16:01:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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^Gal^ | Hi everyone | 16:02 |
rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
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^Gal^ | I've just uploaded the Executions Screen Blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen | 16:02 |
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rakhmerov | let's wait a little bit for others | 16:02 |
rakhmerov | ok, good | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | let me see | 16:03 |
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^Gal^ | :) | 16:03 |
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m4dcoder | helo | 16:03 |
m4dcoder | hello | 16:03 |
LimorStotland | hi all | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | hi ) | 16:03 |
[1]melisha | Hi | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | ok, let's start our meeting | 16:04 |
noa_koffman | Hi | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | hey | 16:04 |
NikolayM | hi everyone ! | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | the agenda of the meeting is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | hi Nikolay | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | 1. NikolayM: talk to Stan Lagun about YAQL 1.0 inclusion into global requirements | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | this is one basically done, Stan is about to get it solved soon (1-2 weeks) | 16:06 |
rakhmerov | 2. xylan_kong: proposal to replace utils.wf_trace with oslo.log | 16:06 |
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rakhmerov | xylan_kong: you're here? | 16:06 |
rakhmerov | just in case | 16:06 |
xylan_kong | hi, guys | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | anyway, I see this item is done. He sent out the email in ML with subject [openstack-dev] [Mistral] Proposing to remove mistral.utils.wf_trace module | 16:07 |
xylan_kong | sorry i'm late | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | hey | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: no problem ) | 16:07 |
xylan_kong | i wrote a spec for using oslo.log to substitude wf_trace module, but with no response, so i gave up the atempt to work on that. | 16:08 |
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rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I saw your proposal but I personally didn't have a chance to look at it closer. Someone else might have | 16:08 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: myabe it's not so necessary | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: don't give up ) We'll get it reviewed and answered | 16:08 |
xylan_kong | and not so urgent | 16:08 |
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xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, i'm ok | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | at least we can discuss it, create a BP and prioritize, right? | 16:09 |
xylan_kong | yep, sure | 16:09 |
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rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, others: review and discuss Lingxian's proposal about removing wf_trace module | 16:09 |
rakhmerov | 3. rakhmerov: check Winson's info about deadlocks occurring in scheduler | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | checked | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | there's really a problem there, I'm about to start working on it | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: start working on deadlock problem in scheduler | 16:10 |
dzimine | hi, sorry I'm late. | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | hi dzimine! | 16:10 |
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LimorStotland | rakhmerov : do you know what the problem already? | 16:11 |
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rakhmerov | nope, I have only assumptions | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | they need to be checked | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | 4. m4dcoder: send conf files for Mistral and Postgres to investigate deadlocks in scheduler | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | done | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | 5. rakhmerov: create a BP to make Mistral work with qpid behind oslo.messaging | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | done | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/support-qpid | 16:12 |
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rakhmerov | and 6. xylan_kong, m4dcoder, NikolayM, LimorStotland: send a list of desired BPs and bugs for Liberty-2 so that we could plan | 16:12 |
xylan_kong | sorry for chipping in, for yaql, you may take a look at http://logs.openstack.org/35/193435/4/check/gate-mistral-devstack-dsvm/39237fd/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | basically done | 16:12 |
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rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, it's being figured out | 16:12 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | will be solved tomorrow | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | or today | 16:13 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: good to know that | 16:13 |
NikolayM | xylan_kong, yes, there a wrong yaql version is installed on devstack | 16:13 |
LimorStotland | Ok | 16:13 |
xylan_kong | NikolayM: yep, i saw | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | #action NikolayM, akuznetsova: finish fixing http://logs.openstack.org/35/193435/4/check/gate-mistral-devstack-dsvm/39237fd/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:14 |
rakhmerov | #topic Current status (done last week, roadblocks etc.) | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | let's quickly report our statuses | 16:14 |
xylan_kong | my status: except review work, i wrote a spec for using oslo.log to substitude wf_trace module in openstack-dev; continue to work on service api implementation, see the series of patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193435/ | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | my status: last week was mostly doing reviews and helping other team member, was also doing liberty-2 planning and corresponding meetings | 16:15 |
LimorStotland | my status: I am still on the puppet installation. i am having some issues with the db installation | 16:15 |
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[1]melisha | I am working on BP and spec for cleaning DB scheduler | 16:15 |
m4dcoder | I'll continue with the error-resume bp continuing with current solution to transition ERROR->RUNNING. i'll fix the unit test and resubmit the postgresql patch. i found a bug with last task being repeated when transition declare a non-existent task. i will file that shortly. | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | [1]melisha: awesome, looking forward to see the spec | 16:16 |
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^Gal^ | I did some reviews and wrote a ui blueprint | 16:16 |
^Gal^ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | cool | 16:17 |
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NikolayM | my status: I am working on alternative RPC implementation (using kombu). | 16:17 |
noa_koffman | my status: working on bug 1467969, writing tests | 16:17 |
openstack | bug 1467969 in Mistral "Error in start_workflow call inside periodic modules" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467969 - Assigned to noa (noa-koffman) | 16:17 |
xylan_kong | noa_koffman: please see my comments | 16:17 |
xylan_kong | maybe helpful to you | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | ok, anyone else? | 16:18 |
noa_koffman | ok thanks | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | I think everyone did | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | thanks a lot | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | today I mostly wanted to talk about Mistral Dashboard because a number of people decided to help with it last week (more over, on the same day!) | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | #topic Mistral Dashboard plans and blueprints | 16:20 |
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^Gal^ | yey :) dashboard ftw! | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | yeah :) | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | so I'd like to outline quickly the plan on UI | 16:20 |
^Gal^ | k | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | and discuss what we think are the most important things that we need to achieve in a short term for UI | 16:21 |
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^Gal^ | what are your views regarding AngularJS development? | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | what do you mean specifically? | 16:22 |
^Gal^ | regarding dashboard implementation | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | you mean "Do we need to use AngularJS or not?"? | 16:23 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: Old Horizon code was written using Django framework. All new modules should be written in AngularJS | 16:23 |
^Gal^ | yeah | 16:23 |
^Gal^ | that is correct | 16:23 |
xylan_kong | yes, i heard from zhenguo | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | ok, looks like you know much more about it :) | 16:23 |
^Gal^ | cool :) | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | I don't have any opinion on that except I saw AngularJS a little bit and it seems like a good stuff | 16:24 |
^Gal^ | yeah it's a great framework | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | but it may be a matter of taste though.. | 16:24 |
^Gal^ | it'll be perfect for openstack | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | great ) | 16:24 |
xylan_kong | it's a trend :-) | 16:25 |
^Gal^ | it is :) but a good one | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | so then I guess it's not even what we need to discuss if it's already decided | 16:25 |
^Gal^ | I use it daily | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | or there's something that's not clear there? | 16:25 |
^Gal^ | nah, just wanted to get your view and approval | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | I see | 16:26 |
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rakhmerov | just to be clear: I know very little about Horizon so don't have an expert opinion | 16:26 |
^Gal^ | oh ok, np | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | and this is why I'm so glad you joined and are ready to help with it | 16:26 |
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rakhmerov | :) | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | alright | 16:27 |
^Gal^ | sure :) np | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | so specifically on Mistral | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | currently we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-crud-operations | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | to CRUDify all Mistral entities exposed via API | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | the current state is that we have not all of them CRUDified | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | only workflows, executions (wf executions), tasks (task executions), workbooks | 16:28 |
rakhmerov | we also need to add action executions, action definitions, cron triggers, environments | 16:28 |
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rakhmerov | and even existing are pretty obsolete | 16:29 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: what's more, maybe services :-) | 16:29 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: We checked the executions screen and it does not work at all. Even listing existing executions is not working propertly. Gal's BP will fix it | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | one more BP is registered today by ^Gal^: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yes, right. I was just talking about really short term | 16:29 |
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rakhmerov | [1]melisha: yeah-yeah, you're right | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | so zhenguo from Huawei already started repairing UI but it's not repaired on 100% yet | 16:30 |
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rakhmerov | so I see that our primary short term goal is to simply CRUDify everything | 16:31 |
rakhmerov | w/o any advanced features | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | just so that Mistral UI has feature parity with Mistral CLI | 16:31 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: I agree. We just need to split the work so we won't do duplicate work and won't mess up things to each other | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | for that to do we got a suggestion from Alcatel folks to register individual BPs for each entity | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | [1]melisha: yes, right | 16:32 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: We will be able to allocate 2 UI developers for this purpose | 16:32 |
rakhmerov | very cool | 16:33 |
rakhmerov | I couldn't even dream about it just a week ago ) | 16:33 |
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[1]melisha | :-) | 16:33 |
^Gal^ | :D | 16:33 |
xylan_kong | so it's a pity zhenguo is not here now, he really devote himself to that work, and he has a lot of ideas about our UI. hope we could coorperate very well | 16:34 |
rakhmerov | [1]melisha: you mentioned that you can file all required BPs under https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-crud-operations | 16:34 |
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rakhmerov | can you still do that? | 16:34 |
rakhmerov | or ^Gal^ | 16:34 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: Yes. Just let's approve the Executions BP first so we will have a good reference for all others | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | btw, zhenguo is already working on "Workflows" view now so that we can reuse his code to complete others | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | [1]melisha: yes, ok, no problem | 16:35 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: for UI work, i suggest we use etherpad to sync with each other to avoid duplicate work | 16:36 |
^Gal^ | I wonder if he uses AngularJS or django | 16:36 |
^Gal^ | yeah, we sure should | 16:36 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, xylan_kong, NikolayM: review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen BP on Tue | 16:36 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: sure, I'll create an etherpad | 16:36 |
xylan_kong | good | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | done: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ui-work | 16:37 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: seems you're very busy :-) | 16:37 |
^Gal^ | lol that was quick | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | let's use it to gather all our ideas there | 16:37 |
^Gal^ | ;d | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: everyone's busy I guess | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | ok, do you guys have to say anything else in addition? | 16:38 |
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rakhmerov | for it looks pretty clear at the high level, I think we just need to get into the battle as soon as possible | 16:39 |
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rakhmerov | and work with details | 16:39 |
^Gal^ | +1 | 16:39 |
xylan_kong | sounds exciting | 16:39 |
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rakhmerov | ^Gal^: btw, please try to communicate with zhenguo directly at #openstack-mistral so that you know better each other's status | 16:40 |
^Gal^ | will do, tnx | 16:40 |
rakhmerov | btw, [1]melisha: do you know who else is going to contribute into UI from your side except ^Gal^? | 16:41 |
^Gal^ | yeah, Liat Fried | 16:41 |
^Gal^ | a fellow developer | 16:41 |
rakhmerov | awesome | 16:41 |
[1]melisha | She is just now starting the process of registering and contirbuting | 16:41 |
rakhmerov | I just need to know the pool of UI developers now :) | 16:41 |
rakhmerov | because looks like we have a bunch of them all of a sudden ) | 16:42 |
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^Gal^ | lol | 16:42 |
rakhmerov | [1]melisha: that's fine | 16:42 |
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rakhmerov | well, to be serious: we seem to have 3 UI engineers and 1 more wants to join | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:43 |
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rakhmerov | one more thing on UI | 16:43 |
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rakhmerov | we also touched a topic related to Workbook Builder based on Merlin framework that's currently being built by Timur Sufief (tsufiev) and others | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | so just FYI: Workbook Builder is an advanced mechanism that allows to build new workflows easier | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | he provides web UI based "rails" for new workflows: validation, content assist etc. | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | WB builder is now in a POC state (was demonstrated in Vancouver first) and tsufiev is now working on integrating it into Mistral Dashboard | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | so | 16:46 |
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rakhmerov | it makes sense for you to look at the existing materials on Merlin and Mistral WB Builder and: | 16:46 |
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rakhmerov | 1. Leave your feedback on the idea itself (whether it's worth efforts or not, what can be improved etc.) | 16:47 |
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rakhmerov | 2. See if you can help with it because the whole initiative is suffering from the lack of resources even though, IMO, the idea is very good, it just requires a good accurate implementation | 16:48 |
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rakhmerov | from my side: I need to help with communication between you, tsufiev and whoever else needed | 16:49 |
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rakhmerov | and provide all initial links | 16:49 |
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xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, i'll forward to zhenguo | 16:49 |
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rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, tsufiev: provide all initial links on Merlin and Workbook Builder | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong: thanks, appreciate | 16:50 |
xylan_kong | np :-) | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | any question about that? | 16:50 |
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rakhmerov | i guess there will be a lot when you look at it | 16:50 |
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rakhmerov | so my plan was to start with WB builder actively in Liberty-3 | 16:51 |
rakhmerov | in Liberty 2 we need to get CRUD stuff done at least | 16:51 |
rakhmerov | alright | 16:52 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov: We will look at it and try to give our feedback on the workflow builder. It will be easier to work on it once it is part of mistral-dashboard | 16:52 |
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[1]melisha | rakhmerov: We also hope to finish CRUD stuff in Liberty-2 | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | yes, right, I actually forgot to mention that it's not a part of Mistral UI now, it's a separate stuff | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | yes | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | we will | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | so as far as WB builder that will the task #1 for it: to get it integrated into Mistral Dashboard | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: make sure to create a BP about integrating WB Builder into Mistral Dashboard project | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | so and the last thing I wanted to mention is what I now call "Management console | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | " | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | xylan_kong already started working on it, right? | 16:54 |
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xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:54 |
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xylan_kong | rakhmerov: code is on review | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | he initially wanted to have a UI in Mistral to manage/monitor executors' state in the system | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | yeah | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | but as far as I understand you are now working on more general idea, right? | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | including not only executors but also other components | 16:55 |
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xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, we get all the services info through api | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | (sorry, I didn't review your code yet) | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | perfect | 16:56 |
xylan_kong | although only serivce type and servic name for now | 16:56 |
[1]melisha | rakhmerov, xylan_kong: Sounds very cool | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | so [1]melisha: please also get involved in it and review Lingxian's patches | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | yeah | 16:56 |
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[1]melisha | rakhmerov: Will do. | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | I think once we've done with it it'll be a very useful stuff | 16:56 |
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[1]melisha | #action [1]melisha: review Lingxian's patches | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | for example, it would be cool if we could see usage statistics for executors | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | like average actions per unit of time | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | etc. etc. | 16:57 |
xylan_kong | rakhmerov: good idear | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | we could even manage some configuration params on the fly and relaunch those components | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | so the whole lot of ideas | 16:58 |
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rakhmerov | basically we could manage physical components of Mistral | 16:59 |
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rakhmerov | yeah, ok. I'm glad that we're all now more aware of the plans and the current status | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | a lot of exciting work ahead :) | 16:59 |
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rakhmerov | so it's time to shut down the meeting | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | many thanks to all you guys for coming today :) | 17:00 |
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^Gal^ | bye all - have a great week | 17:00 |
NikolayM | bye everyone! | 17:00 |
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m4dcoder | bye | 17:00 |
LimorStotland | goodbye all | 17:00 |
xylan_kong | thanks rakhmerov for holding | 17:00 |
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rakhmerov | please go to our channel #openstack-mistral, see you there tomorrow | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | bye | 17:00 |
xylan_kong | see you | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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davidlenwell | #startmeeting akanda | 17:01 |
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davidlenwell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda | 17:01 |
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markmcclain | o/ | 17:02 |
davidlenwell | Sean is on a fishing trip with his brother today.. He's asked me to run the meeting. | 17:03 |
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davidlenwell | We also have several other members out today.. I don't feel like we can accomplish mush with just markmcclain and /me .. | 17:08 |
rluethi | you guys are an hour early and hijacked our slot :-/. | 17:08 |
davidlenwell | sorry about that! | 17:08 |
davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
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rluethi | matjazp: are you going to chair? | 17:09 |
matjazp | ok | 17:10 |
matjazp | #startmeeting training_guides | 17:10 |
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matjazp | roll call | 17:10 |
rluethi | hi | 17:10 |
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matjazp | I was a bit surprised, I thought you guys postponed the meeting time | 17:11 |
matjazp | pranav just said he can't make it | 17:11 |
rluethi | matjazp: I was surprised, too :-) | 17:11 |
rluethi | I knew there was talk of changing the slot, but I don't think anything has been agreed on. | 17:12 |
matjazp | you know if sayali will be comming? | 17:12 |
rluethi | no idea. | 17:12 |
rluethi | isn't she travelling? | 17:12 |
rluethi | or was that last week? | 17:12 |
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matjazp | anyhow, lets just look at the agenda.. | 17:13 |
matjazp | oh, a standard one :) | 17:13 |
rluethi | yeah, let's :-) | 17:13 |
matjazp | #topic reviews | 17:13 |
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matjazp | pranav submitted a patch for tox that publishes training guides in the drafts | 17:14 |
rluethi | I didn't see that. Lemme check. | 17:14 |
matjazp | he still needs to polish it a bit, he has a typo and maybe he should also insert a associate guide folder | 17:14 |
matjazp | now you can just click in the gate and you can see the training guides slides | 17:15 |
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rluethi | which gate? | 17:16 |
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matjazp | ...publish.-checkbuild | 17:17 |
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matjazp | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/35/197535/3/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/3fd20d8//publish-docs/ | 17:17 |
rluethi | sweet. | 17:17 |
matjazp | it will be easier to review content | 17:17 |
rluethi | not obvious for newcomers, but very cool for those who know the trick. | 17:18 |
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matjazp | well it's the standard way of publishing drafts for the whole docs project | 17:18 |
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rluethi | I always thought something like this should exist, but I didn't know that it did. | 17:19 |
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matjazp | what do you think, do we need to add "associate-guide" or "associate" folder? | 17:20 |
matjazp | we will need it later, so maybe we can add it now | 17:20 |
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rluethi | yes, I was about to add a comment agreeing with you. | 17:20 |
matjazp | later= when we add content for developer guide and operator guide | 17:21 |
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matjazp | is there anything new about labs? | 17:22 |
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rluethi | not really, we were busy celebrating the latest bug fix :-). | 17:23 |
rluethi | there was some planning for the future. | 17:23 |
rluethi | pranav and sayali worked on the python port. | 17:23 |
rluethi | I wanted to port my KVM backend to master, but it takes more time than I currently have. | 17:24 |
matjazp | I know taht we discussed this already a few times, but I stil think that maybe vagrant could be a good option... it has MANY providers already (KVM, vBox, OpenStack, etc.) | 17:24 |
matjazp | so you have KVM bash port and there's also a python/KVM labs port? | 17:25 |
rluethi | I hacked together a KVM backend for osbash, but it's only a PoC (i.e. breaks the virtualbox code) and needs work. | 17:26 |
rluethi | python is also at PoC stage. | 17:27 |
rluethi | the problem with vagrant is that it's a pretty substantial dependency. | 17:27 |
rluethi | something we've been trying to avoid. | 17:27 |
rluethi | so it would be an alternative, not a replacement. | 17:28 |
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matjazp | rluethi: yes, it is, but it also solves some major pain point we have | 17:28 |
rluethi | that would mean we maintain yet another backend. | 17:28 |
matjazp | eg. different providers | 17:28 |
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matjazp | I'm experimenting a bit with KVM backend and multinode devstack with vagrant | 17:30 |
rluethi | maybe. I am skeptical. I like vagrant, don't get me wrong, but right now osbash is much easier to use than setting up vagrant. | 17:30 |
matjazp | rluethi: for developer's guide labs, we will probably need devstack too, not just install form packages | 17:31 |
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rluethi | ic | 17:31 |
rluethi | well, devstack already does that, doesn't it? | 17:32 |
matjazp | anyway, I just remembered about all that stuff we already discussed when I needed to reboot machine during provisioning | 17:32 |
matjazp | rluethi: yes, but it is much easier to install multinode devstack with vagrant | 17:33 |
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rluethi | I'll take your word for it. | 17:33 |
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matjazp | and for some things, you need multinode, allin-one is not enough (eg. showing scheduling, networking, etc | 17:33 |
rluethi | I wonder if we could leverage the devstack code instead of vagrant. | 17:34 |
rluethi | we do have a multinode setup, what we don't have is the install from git repos. | 17:34 |
matjazp | osbash that calls devstack directly? maybe | 17:35 |
matjazp | it would preserve osbash workflow | 17:36 |
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rluethi | yes. | 17:36 |
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matjazp | but back to reviews... thats it, right? | 17:36 |
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rluethi | yes. | 17:36 |
rluethi | we're done. | 17:36 |
matjazp | #topic any other business | 17:37 |
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matjazp | I'm just curious, would you prefer the meeting an hour or two later? | 17:38 |
rluethi | not really. | 17:38 |
rluethi | for me it's alright. | 17:38 |
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matjazp | and others? Is the only problem Monday, or is it also the time slot? | 17:39 |
rluethi | i will let others decide and try to be there for the meeting if I can. | 17:39 |
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rluethi | I dunno. | 17:39 |
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rluethi | I was curious about that, too, and I expected to read more on the mailing list, but there was nothing. zilch. nada. | 17:40 |
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matjazp | hmm... you have anything else? | 17:41 |
rluethi | nope. I'm good. | 17:41 |
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rluethi | wrap up. | 17:41 |
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matjazp | ok, so let's wrap this | 17:41 |
matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:42 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 17:42:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-06-17.10.html | 17:42 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-06-17.10.txt | 17:42 |
rluethi | thanks for chairing :-) | 17:42 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-06-17.10.log.html | 17:42 |
vigneshvar | see ya. bye | 17:42 |
matjazp | np | 17:42 |
rluethi | bye | 17:42 |
rluethi | hey, vigneshvar, didn't see you there. | 17:42 |
matjazp | oh, vigneshvar, I missed you at roll call... | 17:42 |
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rluethi | yeah. | 17:42 |
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rluethi | be louder next time, please. | 17:42 |
vigneshvar | i was late. sure | 17:42 |
rluethi | have a good week, everyone. | 17:43 |
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matjazp | see you next monday... if we don't change the time slot or it doesn't get hijacked ;) | 17:43 |
vigneshvar | :) | 17:43 |
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* davidlenwell is sorry for the mixup | 17:56 | |
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davidlenwell | #startmeeting akanda | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 18:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:01 |
puranamr | o/ | 18:01 |
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davidlenwell | Sean and adam are out today.. | 18:02 |
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davidlenwell | this is the slated agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda | 18:02 |
markmcclain | hi again | 18:02 |
davidlenwell | hi.. | 18:02 |
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davidlenwell | sorry about the scheduling mixup | 18:02 |
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davidlenwell | we'll give it a few minutes to see if anyone else is here. | 18:04 |
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davidlenwell | I move that we defer this meeting for lack of attendance. | 18:06 |
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davidlenwell | any objections? | 18:07 |
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davidlenwell | okay .. lets pick this up next week when less folks are on vacation/out | 18:09 |
davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 18:10 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 18:10:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:10 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-06-18.01.html | 18:10 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-06-18.01.txt | 18:10 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-06-18.01.log.html | 18:10 |
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geoffarnold | o\ | 18:58 |
Shamail | hi geoffarnold | 18:59 |
Rockyg | o/ | 18:59 |
geoffarnold | good morning (just) | 18:59 |
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Shamail | hi Rockyg | 18:59 |
Shamail | Thanks for arranging the mid-cycle | 18:59 |
Rockyg | Hey! | 18:59 |
MeganR | Hello | 18:59 |
geoffarnold | My pleasure | 18:59 |
Rockyg | just morning or just good? | 19:00 |
Shamail | Hi MeganR | 19:00 |
MeganR | Hi Shamail | 19:00 |
cloudrancher | Hi y'all | 19:00 |
geoffarnold | just morning... oops, afternoon | 19:00 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 19:00 |
barrett1 | Hi All | 19:00 |
Shamail | Hi cloudrancher, Arkady_Kanevsky | 19:00 |
Shamail | Hi barrett1 | 19:00 |
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barrett1 | Looks like the gangs all here, let's get going! | 19:00 |
barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 19:01 |
Shamail | Dallas in August... bring t-shirts. | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 19:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 19:01 |
janonymous | o/ | 19:01 |
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barrett1 | Let's start will roll call, for the record. | 19:01 |
geoffarnold | o\ | 19:01 |
Shamail | Hi | 19:01 |
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janonymous | o/ | 19:01 |
jimhaselmaier | Hello | 19:01 |
cloudrancher | Hi | 19:01 |
DericHorn-HP | Hi | 19:01 |
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Rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
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barrett1 | 1st agenda item is Tokyo Session Proposals | 19:02 |
MeganR | o/ | 19:02 |
barrett1 | #topic Tokyo Session Proposals | 19:02 |
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barrett1 | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fwAKjAFEw3jVW8NcDxkfzh0TMmMcftyoQEx5bjFJTxc/edit#gid=0 | 19:02 |
barrett1 | You can find the google doc at the link. | 19:03 |
Shamail | I have a few questions... | 19:03 |
barrett1 | Go for it | 19:03 |
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Shamail | 1) Are the two that I proposed ones that the team wants to move forward with? Any questions on the concepts? | 19:03 |
Shamail | 2) Anyone else want to volunteer to co-present/create material | 19:04 |
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Shamail | 3) Do we want to at least add one more session that we can use to show PTL support? A follow-up to state of PM if you will. | 19:04 |
Shamail | End of my list :) | 19:04 |
geoffarnold | Interesting q. I was thinking of two possible additions (1) at the PTL interface, (2) at the user WG interface | 19:05 |
jimhaselmaier | Re Shamail's #2: I'd be more than willing to be a co-presenter on the "Contributing as an OpenStack User" topic. | 19:05 |
Shamail | geoffarnold: I was hoping session #2 would cover user WG interface | 19:05 |
barrett1 | Shamail: I added a working session for this team, meant to be similar to Thursday's meeting in Vancover. | 19:05 |
Shamail | along with which work groups exists, user story template, repo submission instructions etc | 19:06 |
Shamail | Thanks barrett1! | 19:06 |
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Shamail | Thanks jimhaselmaier | 19:06 |
Shamail | Anyone willing to co-present roadmap? Should I reach out on the mailing list instead? | 19:06 |
geoffarnold | OK, as long as there's a rep from a user group to talk about their experience of the interface | 19:06 |
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barrett1 | Shamail - I'll join you for What's Next on the Roadmap session and content prep | 19:06 |
geoffarnold | Of course with Win The Enterprise we have that covered | 19:07 |
Rockyg | Roadmap title needs to be xexxed up | 19:07 |
Shamail | geoffarnold: user WG = user committee right? I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing | 19:07 |
Rockyg | ^xexxed^sexxed | 19:07 |
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Shamail | Agreed Rockyg, definitely need to re-work both title and abstract | 19:07 |
mscohen | sorry, late to the party. i’m happy to help with the roadmap presentation as well | 19:07 |
geoffarnold | yes - well, user committee and/or vertical | 19:07 |
Shamail | thanks geoffarnold | 19:07 |
Shamail | welcome mscohen and thanks. | 19:07 |
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barrett1 | Shamail: I'm not following the PTL thread...? | 19:08 |
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MeganR | Shamail: I am happy to help with the presentation, not certain if I'll be available to help with the presenting part. | 19:08 |
Shamail | We had spoken about doing a session where we would ask PTL(s) to get on stage with Product WG | 19:08 |
Shamail | to discuss how this WG/process is meaningful/helpful to their design cycles | 19:08 |
Rockyg | Me too. I can present | 19:08 |
Shamail | MeganR: which one? #2? | 19:09 |
MeganR | sorry - yes, #2 | 19:09 |
Shamail | MeganR: Thanks | 19:09 |
geoffarnold | Right. People understand how PTLs operate (well.....), so they need to understand how PTLs consume our work | 19:09 |
barrett1 | Shamail - Gotcha, it's the process part of things where we want to include PTLs and User Committee folks (though from the email thread, I'm not sure this makes sense) | 19:09 |
Rockyg | How we glue the two together | 19:10 |
barrett1 | rockyg: gotcha | 19:10 |
Shamail | Ah, process part we can discuss next week (when workflow is further along) | 19:10 |
Shamail | So we don't need a session anymore to have P-WG and PTLs on-stage together? | 19:10 |
geoffarnold | Not all together | 19:11 |
Shamail | The high-level jist will be covered in #2 anyway | 19:11 |
barrett1 | Shamail: I think we do want to have a session that talks about how User Stories are created, posted, reviewed and feed into Design Summits | 19:11 |
Shamail | Yes, that is #2 | 19:11 |
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barrett1 | Shamail: Understand..think that's where we want the PTLs, User Committee participation | 19:12 |
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Shamail | To expand on #2: It will provide an overview of UC, the WGs that exist currently (to let users know others share their interest and hopefully spark additional members), overview of user story template, our repo (how to contribute), and how the process works to get their user stories to the devs | 19:12 |
Shamail | Got it... I'll make sure to reach out to UC and a few PTLs so they can be there and provide a quote or two. | 19:13 |
jimhaselmaier | I hope we can get at least one PTL to participate in that session. | 19:13 |
jimhaselmaier | It will be so much more powerful if we do. | 19:13 |
Shamail | I think johnthetubaguy has already expressed support/interest... I will follow-up with him. | 19:13 |
barrett1 | Shamail: +1 | 19:14 |
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barrett1 | Anything else on Tokyo Sessions? | 19:14 |
Shamail | Is there one that we mentioned but didnt document? | 19:14 |
Shamail | Can everyone take a quick look at the spreadsheet and see we got everything before we move on please? We will have to work on submission this week. | 19:15 |
Rockyg | We'll think about it. We still have time but need to start on these | 19:15 |
Shamail | Thanks barrett1, I think we are done with this topic. | 19:15 |
barrett1 | Shamail: I'll write up the submission for #1, if you want... Are you going to write-up #2? | 19:16 |
Shamail | Sure. Sounds like a plan barrett1 | 19:16 |
barrett1 | #action: Carol to draft submission for Session #1 | 19:16 |
mscohen | barrett1. happy to help on #1 if you’d like (or i can just review) | 19:17 |
barrett1 | #action Shamail to draft submission for session #2 | 19:17 |
barrett1 | mscohen: Great! | 19:17 |
Rockyg | I can help on 3 | 19:17 |
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barrett1 | RockyG: Thanks | 19:17 |
barrett1 | #topic User Story Repo Update | 19:18 |
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barrett1 | Rocky - Can you give folks an update on this? | 19:18 |
barrett1 | Or Sean | 19:18 |
Rockyg | So, the reviews have been filed, but I need to update the one for infra (repository creation). | 19:18 |
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Rockyg | and, I want to put forth this idea: it seems it would be easier for us to be a "project" as the Product working Group because the repositories are all tied to projects | 19:19 |
Rockyg | So, if that's ok, I'll modify the review commit message to TC for that | 19:19 |
Shamail | Rockyg: I read the comments by ttx | 19:20 |
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Rockyg | Did I mention I hate git? Gotta amend the infra files, but git merges backward from what I consider intuitive, so my local repository is all messed up. I'll get Doug Hellmann to help straighten it out. | 19:21 |
Shamail | It seems that he was saying if we want to be under TC, we should consider applying as a project OR we can add the repo to the existing user committee file. | 19:21 |
Rockyg | Shamail: Oh, haven't seen theirs yet | 19:21 |
Rockyg | Kewl. So, how do we want to go? | 19:21 |
Shamail | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187767/1/reference/user-committee-repos.yaml | 19:21 |
barrett1 | Shamail: Thanks | 19:21 |
Shamail | The question I have is can we have openstack repos under UC? | 19:22 |
Shamail | If so then my vote would be going that route (since we are already aligning with UC) | 19:22 |
Shamail | If not then we might want to consider a project proposal.... | 19:22 |
Shamail | I think the repo should be under "openstack" and not "stackforge" to help it be perceived as more official. | 19:22 |
barrett1 | I've been assuming that the Operators Tag info would be posted under the User Committee... | 19:23 |
sgordon | i assume you can | 19:23 |
sgordon | otherwise they wouldnt be in governance | 19:23 |
Rockyg | Oh, we've appliled under openstack, with it to reside at openstack/openstack-user-stories | 19:23 |
barrett1 | Agree with openstack instead of stackforge | 19:23 |
sgordon | the stackforge repos are handled separately atm | 19:23 |
Shamail | sgordon: true | 19:23 |
Rockyg | stackforge is going away | 19:23 |
sgordon | (that is why you wont find telco in that governance repo) | 19:23 |
Shamail | thanks sgordon | 19:23 |
Shamail | didn't know that Rockyg | 19:23 |
sgordon | if by going away | 19:24 |
barrett1 | sgordon: What repo does the telco wg use? | 19:24 |
Shamail | stackforge | 19:24 |
sgordon | you mean most things will become openstack namespaced | 19:24 |
sgordon | then yes | 19:24 |
Shamail | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/tree/template.rst | 19:24 |
Rockyg | infra is trying to get rid of it and have a review up. | 19:24 |
sgordon | going away is a bit incendiary ;) | 19:24 |
geoffarnold | The big tent is getting VERY big | 19:24 |
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Rockyg | They want everyone interested to just migrate to OpenStack. and if not, to find another host. | 19:24 |
Shamail | So Rockyg, if we can talk to UC and get an openstack repo added for user-stories under their file then that's ideal | 19:24 |
sgordon | barrett1, per the link - on stackforge | 19:24 |
Shamail | if not then we might have to make a case for a separate file/project | 19:25 |
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geoffarnold | It's not a bad way to weed out the moribund projects, though | 19:25 |
Rockyg | I'll contact a few UC folks and ask them to be at the TC meeting tomorrow. | 19:25 |
Shamail | Rockyg: You're on the agenda tomorrow for the TC meeting to discuss this | 19:25 |
Rockyg | Then we can get it done tomorrow. | 19:25 |
Shamail | Awesome, thanks Rockyg | 19:25 |
Rockyg | firgured I would be;-) | 19:25 |
barrett1 | Thanks Rockyg | 19:26 |
Rockyg | NP | 19:26 |
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barrett1 | One Q: do we want to wait for the repo to be created to post, review & comment on User Stories? Or do we want to use a temp location to get going on this part of things? | 19:27 |
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MeganR | will there be any difference between a temp location and the repo? | 19:27 |
MeganR | don't want to create additional work | 19:28 |
Rockyg | If we use a temp location, then we'd have to migrate. If you're ok with moving the files without the histories, that would be easy. | 19:28 |
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Rockyg | Oh, and if we become a project, or go under UC, we still need a Lanuchpad site. | 19:28 |
geoffarnold | Need that either way | 19:28 |
sgordon | barrett1, depends what your proposal for a temp location is | 19:28 |
barrett1 | Rockyg: I think that's the basic challenge, tracking comments aside from the gerrit system | 19:28 |
Rockyg | I can get that started as soon as the TC vote. It will inform us where to build the LP site | 19:28 |
Shamail | barrett1: I think that is the main question: do we want history? | 19:28 |
sgordon | barrett1, we found with the telco stuff most other solutions become unweildy | 19:28 |
sgordon | as you need version control and comment tracking | 19:29 |
barrett1 | sgordon: google docs directory - but open to other options | 19:29 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have a pointer to a template for usecases? to review and vote on the format? | 19:29 |
Shamail | sgordon: +1 | 19:29 |
Rockyg | sgordon: good info | 19:29 |
Shamail | That is one of the topics later today Arkady_Kanevsky | 19:29 |
sgordon | that is what made us explore gerrit | 19:29 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | I have a simple usecase I got from Vancouver I would like to use for test drive. | 19:29 |
sgordon | as we were quickly going insane | 19:29 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | cool | 19:29 |
barrett1 | Ok, sounds like waiting for the repo is the way to go | 19:30 |
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Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on gerrit | 19:30 |
barrett1 | I'm just watching time go by... our original plan was to complete the prioritization by July 8... | 19:30 |
geoffarnold | To get people to move from stackforge there will have to be tools that preserve history. So we can go for stackforge now and wait for the tools..... | 19:31 |
geoffarnold | I'm not moving my project until the tools exist | 19:31 |
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sgordon | geoffarnold, indeed - it will be if thousands of voices cried out at once and were suddenly silenced... ;p | 19:32 |
Shamail | that's a good idea geoffarnold | 19:32 |
geoffarnold | Waiting for a controversial decision with no natural deadline seems risky | 19:32 |
Shamail | Start w/ StackForge and move to OpenStack once the new repo is available. We can keep the old one for history until migration tools exist. | 19:32 |
barrett1 | geoffarnold: Has someone committed to creating the tools? | 19:32 |
Shamail | essentially, our stackforge will become archive once openstack repo is up. | 19:32 |
geoffarnold | Not yet. But then they haven't committed to the mandatory move yet, AFAIK | 19:33 |
Rockyg | geoffarnold: so, the repo can be up within a day of the TC vote if there is no repository to move from Stackforge. If a move is required, they have to schedule it for a weekend. | 19:33 |
sgordon | indeed | 19:33 |
sgordon | i cant actually find the patch proposal | 19:33 |
sgordon | and there are in fact new project requests in the review queue still | 19:33 |
barrett1 | Rockyg: the TC vote is for a stackforge repo? | 19:34 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | can you post a pointer to stackforge repos? | 19:34 |
geoffarnold | https://github.com/stackforge | 19:34 |
geoffarnold | There are LOTS of them | 19:34 |
Rockyg | No TC needed for stackforge. TC vote tomorrow for OpenStack | 19:34 |
geoffarnold | Agreed | 19:34 |
sgordon | here is the proposal for stackforge going away https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192016/ | 19:34 |
Shamail | How about we wait until Wednesday (after TC meeting)? | 19:34 |
sgordon | not exactly unanimous just yet ;p | 19:34 |
barrett1 | Rockyg: Thanks. How about you send out an update on the ML after the TC meeting and give folks a pointer to where they can post? | 19:35 |
Shamail | If there is no progress on actual repo then we proceed with stackforge for now | 19:35 |
geoffarnold | Hmmm Even more -1's than the last time I looked | 19:35 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | no product repo there | 19:35 |
Rockyg | barrett1: will do. And if it's under the UC, it will be even easier to get the rest done. | 19:35 |
barrett1 | #action Rockgy to send out an update on Repo after TC meeting on the 7th | 19:35 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | See telcowg | 19:36 |
barrett1 | Thanks Rockyg | 19:36 |
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barrett1 | Anything else on this topic? | 19:36 |
barrett1 | Ok moving along | 19:37 |
barrett1 | #topic Taxonomy & User Story Template | 19:37 |
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barrett1 | Shamail - pls take it away! | 19:37 |
Shamail | Thanks! | 19:37 |
Shamail | Let's discuss the user story template first... I posted some ideas to the ML and got great feedback from sgordon. | 19:38 |
Shamail | I didn't realize that telco had an updated template and it looks like the new template aligns better to the sections that we would want to use as well. | 19:38 |
sgordon | i believe the revision was after the ops midcycle | 19:38 |
Shamail | My take-away from the discussion on the ML is that product WG is aiming to create a normalized template for capturing user stories but certain WG (e.g. telco) might have additional details that are needed due to the complexity of the space/apps they are dealing with. In this sense, sgordon raised the question of whether something would be getting lost if telco-wg submits user stories to product-wg. | 19:38 |
Shamail | It looks good :) | 19:38 |
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Shamail | The main dilemma is how do we normalize (because not all WGs will have the same amount of detail as a telco-wg user story) while accommodating groups that have additional information. | 19:38 |
Shamail | Updated Proposal: Can we use the new telco-wg template and make sections that might constitute too much detail as optional. This will allow teams to add a minimum amount while other teams can add more details (and not have them get lost as we move the user story forward). Can we still add meta-data fields as mentioned in ML to track WGs supporting the user story and rename some items (e.g. rename examples | 19:38 |
Shamail | to scenarios)? If this sounds reasonable, I can craft another ML reply with more details about this updated proposal. | 19:38 |
sgordon | indeed, that is what i am getting at | 19:39 |
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sgordon | telco happens to have a template | 19:39 |
sgordon | product wg will have a template which will likely be loosely aligned | 19:39 |
Shamail | The template fits well sgordon, does the updated proposal sound like a good compromise? | 19:39 |
sgordon | but we will invariably have some differences | 19:39 |
sgordon | yes, i also took a note that i need to make it clearer they are optional in the telco template | 19:39 |
Shamail | Essentially, we leverage the same template as you (I will be asking for certain sections to be renamed) but then make most of the more detailed sections optional | 19:39 |
sgordon | so thats all good | 19:39 |
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sgordon | next question is if we have other WGs engaged to do same | 19:40 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | we need a section on known project impacted/requierd for the usecase | 19:40 |
barrett1 | Shamail: I like the updated proposal. Having a common format would make it easier for all of us. | 19:40 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on common format | 19:40 |
geoffarnold | +1 | 19:40 |
Rockyg | +1 | 19:40 |
Shamail | That will be a part of the "gaps" sections but maybe its a separate section altogether | 19:40 |
geoffarnold | Link? | 19:41 |
Shamail | We basically leave gaps as is and add "Projects Impacted" | 19:41 |
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Shamail | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/tree/template.rst | 19:41 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | strongly recommend that we us standard openstrack process to submit format proposal and review/vote on it | 19:41 |
barrett1 | sgordon: do you know if other wgs are drafting user stories? | 19:41 |
Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 thats the plan | 19:41 |
Rockyg | Shamail: so the telco case is the reason I originally thought we needed WG subdirs | 19:41 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | But we need one for our group not telco one. | 19:41 |
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sgordon | barrett1, negative | 19:41 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | We do not them or us to be confused what we are rvewing and asking to change. We are no asking to change teloc format | 19:41 |
Rockyg | But, if we link to the WG repos, then we bring *together* the parts that cross WGs | 19:41 |
jimhaselmaier | I'm a little concerned about Product WG specifying projects impacted. The projects, in some cases, may know better what is impacted. | 19:42 |
Shamail | Rockyg: If we can get everyone on the same format then we can get other teams to support the same user story. The reason I was against seperate dirs is because then if telco and enterprise share a user story | 19:42 |
Shamail | they will be forced to submit two different files for the same story (because they will land in diff. dirs) | 19:42 |
geoffarnold | +1 Shamail | 19:42 |
Shamail | jimhaselmaier: this is high-level... e.g. nova, cinder, glance, etc. | 19:42 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | We are not speciyfing. We arsk asking submitter ot use case to list project he/she knows about that are/willbe impcated by the use case | 19:42 |
jimhaselmaier | I don't have a problem having impacted projects in our Use Case template, but determining which projects are impacted needs some project assessment I would think. | 19:42 |
Rockyg | Right. Which is addressed by just linking to the WGs' repos and creating a "merged" story | 19:42 |
Shamail | It is so the teams know which projects they need to contact INITIALLY. The project team could redirect us after hearing the user story. | 19:43 |
geoffarnold | The user stories will often be cross-project, though - can't align with existing OpenStack projects | 19:43 |
jimhaselmaier | @Shamail: Got it. | 19:43 |
Shamail | Rockyg: If they are using the same format then what value will dirs provide? It just increases the number of steps to create a merged user story. | 19:43 |
geoffarnold | E.g. service federation touch identity, quotas, policy.... | 19:43 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | I think it will be to use to generate blueprint(s) for peoject based on use case once it is voted in | 19:44 |
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Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: This brings up a good point about the workflow we have to discuss | 19:44 |
Rockyg | Shamail: i'm also saying no dirs. The already exist. The other WG's repos *are*those dirs | 19:44 |
Shamail | Rockyg: Ah, got it. | 19:44 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | geoffarnold: which repo in sourceforge you are using for productWG usecase stories or proposals? | 19:45 |
Shamail | Rockyg: So you're saying that each WG get a folder in the repo... they work against that folder as their active location... | 19:45 |
Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: doesn't exist yet | 19:45 |
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Shamail | I will move the updated proposal through the ML again. Sounds good? | 19:45 |
geoffarnold | What shamail said - waiting to find out! | 19:46 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | Rockyg: I suggest we do not have directories in our repo for other WG. we just create links in use case to bluepritns/ specs in outher projects | 19:46 |
Shamail | We can discuss the repo structure and workflow impact as a part of the workflow discussion. | 19:46 |
barrett1 | arkady_kanevsky: I'm using this directory to collect enterprise user stories right now: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxtM4AiszlEyfllFelZYR2RqNDFfWVRvWWtlb09laGxwR2ljc3UxVEl5VEpfMEhicnlxUFk&usp=sharing | 19:46 |
Rockyg | Shamail: Actually, no. Either they work in the general folder, as the Product_wg has set up, or if they have their own repo, they work there, and build a cross wg user story in the Product WG repo | 19:46 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | Barrett1 - thank you | 19:46 |
Shamail | Rockyg: I'll follow up with you on email to better understand. | 19:47 |
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Shamail | Can you make a proposal that captures your thoughts and send it to the ML? | 19:47 |
Rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky: What geoffarnold said: There will most likely be cross-project spec that will lead to project specs and/or bps | 19:47 |
Shamail | barrett1: Can you give me an action item to send updated template proposal? | 19:47 |
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Shamail | So this is probably a good segue to taxonomy (as we are getting into cross project stuff) | 19:48 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | do we go top down starting from use cases or bottom up from spec/blueprints per project? | 19:48 |
barrett1 | #action Shamail Create an updated proposal for Repo & User Stories and send out to ML | 19:48 |
Rockyg | Shamail: +1 on AI and talk | 19:48 |
Shamail | Please give Rockyg an AI too barrett1 :) | 19:48 |
barrett1 | Shamail: Gladly.. | 19:48 |
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barrett1 | #action RockyG work with Shamail to send out an updated Repo plan that addresses cross WG and cross Project needs | 19:49 |
Shamail | Okay, moving on to taxonomy which might help with this cross-project discussion we were just having... | 19:49 |
geoffarnold | Arkady_Kanevsky strongly prefer top down | 19:49 |
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Shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WXGImWTvjaT6BzAtbakKUazRr6hcZBtv90P7ke8qYrw/edit?usp=sharing | 19:49 |
Shamail | I have started creating the basis of a page that will eventually be on our wiki. | 19:49 |
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Rockyg | geoffarnold: ++ top down | 19:50 |
Shamail | I have gotten as far as explaining what the terms/hierarchy looks like in agile | 19:50 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | me too in favor of top down starting from use case | 19:50 |
Shamail | I will be working on mapping those terms to our stuff next | 19:50 |
Shamail | If you scroll to the bottom of that document that I linked. It has a starting proposal for how the requirements might be categorized/collected and what each contains | 19:51 |
Shamail | At the very top, we will have a theme | 19:51 |
Shamail | the theme, for us, will be definitions that we and the foundation have agreed upon. | 19:51 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | do we need to classify use cases in https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxtM4AiszlEyfllFelZYR2RqNDFfWVRvWWtlb09laGxwR2ljc3UxVEl5VEpfMEhicnlxUFk&usp=sharing into themes? | 19:52 |
Shamail | Side note: The foundation is working to define themes too as they move to themes based releases. | 19:52 |
Shamail | They will want to work with us to make sure our themes and theirs are aligned. | 19:53 |
Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes, but we need to define the themes first | 19:53 |
barrett1 | Arkday_Kanevsky: Yes | 19:53 |
Shamail | So after themes is the part that has a ? for me | 19:53 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | theme will spend multiple releases. | 19:53 |
Shamail | We need to group user stories into epics... | 19:53 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | And with new tag process I am not usre what release is in this connotation. | 19:53 |
Shamail | Themes will probably be very long-lived... epics will span releases. | 19:53 |
Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 19:54 |
Shamail | So as far as epics are concerned, we can go two ways | 19:54 |
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Shamail | 1) We can take an approach (as mentioned by johnthetubaguy) and build epics based on service user types | 19:54 |
Shamail | e.g.: 1 epic for cloud native | 19:54 |
Shamail | 1 epic for legacy | 19:54 |
Shamail | since the theme of "HA" would mean different things | 19:55 |
Shamail | OR | 19:55 |
Shamail | We can use epics to define attributes of themes (e.g. controller HA, data plane HA, etc.) | 19:55 |
barrett1 | 5 min warning... | 19:55 |
Shamail | and then map user stories to attributes | 19:55 |
Shamail | thx barrett1 | 19:55 |
Shamail | Which way makes more sense? | 19:55 |
barrett1 | I like the Theme of HA with different epics beneath it... | 19:56 |
Rockyg | I suspect we'll pick one, then modify as we learn more.... | 19:56 |
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Arkady_Kanevsky | both rae having issues. | 19:56 |
Rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky: ++ | 19:56 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | rae -> are | 19:56 |
cloudrancher | Second makes more sense to me | 19:56 |
Shamail | the user stories are simple -> they map to our files in the repo based on the templates... Tasks in our sense would be blueprints (each task/blueprint will be in one project but a user story can have multiple tasks/blueprints spanning projects) | 19:56 |
geoffarnold | +1 shamail | 19:56 |
Shamail | Thanks, so we'll proceed with documenting the second one first | 19:56 |
geoffarnold | .... while remaining agile | 19:57 |
Shamail | finally, there is a notion of an acceptance test... which is broader than tempest but in our case its the best we can do. | 19:57 |
Rockyg | high level interrupt: Just want to put out there that we get much more done on the phone than on IRC. Just sayin' | 19:57 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | it may sound crazy but maybe tagging for epic is a better way... | 19:57 |
Shamail | We want to ensure there are tests that span the user story to reduce gaps in coverage from the beginning. | 19:57 |
barrett1 | #action Shamail to document Theme/Epic/ User Story approach as starting point for M design summit pilot | 19:58 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | where do we put tests? Rally? | 19:58 |
Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: that might be the implementation. We would still have to define what those tags mean... that is what I was intending to capture. | 19:58 |
barrett1 | RockyG: +1 | 19:58 |
Shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 19:58 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | it does not fit into Tempest CI since it span multiple projects | 19:58 |
Rockyg | Shamail: It might be worth having a session with QA in the design summit about user oriented tests | 19:58 |
Shamail | After I finish this document, we can schedule a call. | 19:58 |
Shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 19:58 |
geoffarnold | +1 | 19:58 |
Rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky: scenario tests | 19:58 |
barrett1 | Do we want to add a voice line for next week's meeting? | 19:58 |
Shamail | barrett1: +1 | 19:58 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on voice | 19:58 |
Rockyg | please, please, please! | 19:58 |
Shamail | Can we extend the time too? | 19:59 |
Shamail | Next week, we will be at crunch time for multiple items | 19:59 |
Rockyg | The foundation has some sort of voice solution, too. | 19:59 |
barrett1 | 90 mins? or 2 hrs? | 19:59 |
Shamail | starting to review user stories, taxonomy, user template, sessions, etc. | 19:59 |
Shamail | all will be at crit | 19:59 |
MeganR | I have a voice bridge we can use if needed | 19:59 |
Rockyg | ++ | 19:59 |
Shamail | What is the teams vote? I can do up to 2 hours. | 20:00 |
barrett1 | OK - Let's go with 2 hrs, and if some folks have to drop they will. I'll update the wiki with phone info too | 20:00 |
Shamail | Thanks barrett1 | 20:00 |
Rockyg | +1 | 20:00 |
barrett1 | We're out of time.... | 20:00 |
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Arkady_Kanevsky | 2 hours is fine | 20:00 |
Shamail | Please give feedback on the document I just shared too :) | 20:00 |
barrett1 | We'll use the ML to get ourselves set for a long working session for next week. | 20:00 |
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barrett1 | Thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
Shamail | Sorry for going over. | 20:00 |
geoffarnold | And before we go.... Mid-cycle: please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/Product_WGLibertySprint if you're participating | 20:00 |
barrett1 | Thanks Geoffarnold | 20:01 |
barrett1 | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 20:01:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-06-19.01.html | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-06-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-06-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks! | 20:01 |
MeganR | Bye! | 20:01 |
Rockyg | thanks all! | 20:01 |
barrett1 | Bye | 20:01 |
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mestery | hi neutron folks! | 20:59 |
rackertom | o/ | 20:59 |
bgsilva | hi | 20:59 |
miyagishi_t | hi | 20:59 |
armax | hi | 20:59 |
russellb | o/ | 20:59 |
haleyb | hi | 20:59 |
ajmiller | o/ | 20:59 |
yamahata | hello | 20:59 |
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regXboi | moo | 20:59 |
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hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
emagana | hello all... | 20:59 |
adduarte | hello | 21:00 |
kevinbenton | hi | 21:00 |
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hoangcx | Hi all | 21:00 |
pcarver | hi | 21:00 |
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mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 6 21:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
dougwig | o/ | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:00 |
amotoki | hi | 21:00 |
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mestery | We have an "On-Demand" heavy agenda today, so lets get rolling! | 21:00 |
mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
yamamoto | hi | 21:01 |
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mestery | I actually have nothing huge to announce today, which is a first. Does anyone have an announcement for the team this week? | 21:01 |
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ZZelle | Hi everyone | 21:01 |
mestery | Must be the US holday weekend, lets move along | 21:02 |
mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:02 |
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mestery | First up: | 21:02 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465434 | 21:02 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1465434 in neutron "DVR issues with supporting multiple subnets per network on DVR routers - PortbindingContext does not have the status." [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 21:02 |
mestery | Swami: Any updates on the DVR issues plauging the gate? | 21:02 |
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sballe | hi | 21:02 |
annp | hi | 21:02 |
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mestery | Looks like the first patch for 1465434 needs some reivew love | 21:03 |
Swami | mestery: I have a patch up for review and I will be pushing another one today. That would fix the problem that we are seeing now in upstream with respect to the tempest failure. | 21:03 |
mestery | Swami: Excellent! | 21:03 |
mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196908/ | 21:03 |
mestery | Swami: That's it, right? | 21:03 |
Swami | Yes, once that patch goes in then we can make the job voting. | 21:04 |
mestery | Also, once we get this fixed, lets monitor the DVR job very closely with the goal of getting it voting once it's stabilized | 21:04 |
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mestery | It will prevent us from getting into this situation again once it's voting | 21:04 |
Swami | mestery: Sure | 21:04 |
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mestery | Swami: Thanks! | 21:05 |
mestery | Next up | 21:05 |
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mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465837 | 21:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1465837 in neutron "Linux bridge: Dnsmasq is being passed None as an interface" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 21:05 |
mestery | sc68cal: How goes the Linuxbridge struggle? | 21:05 |
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Sukhdev | hello | 21:05 |
mestery | sc68cal: Is this one still Critical? | 21:06 |
mestery | Also, for what it's worth for those following along in the linuxbridge saga: | 21:06 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=linuxbridge-gate-parity | 21:06 |
sc68cal | mestery: I think 1465837 can be de-escalated to medium | 21:07 |
mestery | sc68cal: Cool, doing it! | 21:07 |
mestery | sc68cal: Any other LB parity bugs you'd like to highlight here? | 21:07 |
sc68cal | Nope, that tag has pretty much what we're seeing so far | 21:08 |
mestery | cool | 21:08 |
mestery | Any other bugs anyone wants to highlight? Those are the main ones I wanted to highlight this week | 21:08 |
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john-davidge | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316 | 21:09 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 21:09 |
john-davidge | would like to get some more eyes on that | 21:09 |
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john-davidge | some differing opinions so far on what is considered a breaking api chnages | 21:09 |
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mestery | john-davidge: I've marked it as "High" for now while we're investigating | 21:10 |
john-davidge | mestery: thanks | 21:10 |
mestery | Lets move along and see if emagana has any doc updates for us this week | 21:10 |
mestery | #topic Docs | 21:10 |
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emagana | Hi mestery! | 21:10 |
mestery | emagana: Hi there! I hope you're getting some sleep now ;) | 21:10 |
emagana | mestery: getting better.... ;-) | 21:11 |
mestery | awesome | 21:11 |
emagana | Last Friday was holiday in USA so we did not have the Doc meeting... besides what I have already updated in the wiki.. got nothing else.. | 21:11 |
emagana | mestery: you can take this time for the rest of the agenda | 21:11 |
mestery | Awesome! I'll refer folks to the wiki for updates | 21:11 |
mestery | #info Doc updates for this week on the wiki | 21:12 |
mestery | Thanks emagana! | 21:12 |
mestery | OK, lets move along and try not to wake many more people up as we finish this thing | 21:12 |
mestery | #topic ACLs for Neutron sub-projects | 21:12 |
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mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198749/ | 21:12 |
mestery | The tl;dr here is that I'm proposing passing control of things like merge commits, tags, and releases to the OpenStack release team for ann Neutron sub-projects | 21:13 |
mestery | Please review the patch series if you have interest here | 21:13 |
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dougwig | mestery: i think it should just be a requirement of being in the neutron tent. and if we haven't stated that, let's update the devref. | 21:13 |
mestery | My thinking is that projects in the Neutron Stadium are under OpenStack governance, and this makes things more consistent, especially with regards to stable backports | 21:13 |
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russellb | mestery: i assume you talked to thierry/doug about this (release team) ? | 21:13 |
mestery | #action mestery to update devref with information on being in the tent | 21:13 |
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mestery | russellb: I tried this morning, but got no response, but I added them to the review and will pign them during office horus tomorrow | 21:14 |
russellb | otherwise seems fine ... it's so many that it might be good to have someone from neutron with access to all of that | 21:14 |
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Sukhdev | dougwig: +1 for devref documentation | 21:14 |
mestery | russellb: I am good with updating the team which can do this as people ahve interest | 21:14 |
russellb | neutron release team or something, that works with global release team | 21:14 |
mestery | Yup | 21:15 |
russellb | anyway, intention all seems good | 21:15 |
mestery | thanks russellb | 21:15 |
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mestery | #topic Partial Upgrade Support | 21:16 |
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mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067156.html | 21:16 |
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mestery | armax: You put this on the agenda, I know you sent an email, can you update the team? | 21:16 |
armax | mestery: sure | 21:16 |
mestery | I think this in reply/conjunction with russellb as well | 21:16 |
mestery | thanks armax | 21:16 |
armax | I was hoping we could get some momentum back into this | 21:16 |
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mestery | AGreed | 21:17 |
russellb | to be completely transparent, i was happy to whip up the patches to make a job that does the same thing as the nova job | 21:17 |
russellb | but if it requires a big rework to do it a new way, i'm not likely to do it | 21:17 |
russellb | so anyone else interested should feel free to jump in | 21:18 |
mestery | I understand completely, thanks for jumping in on this russellb | 21:18 |
armax | mestery: this is the mail I sent this morning: | 21:18 |
armax | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068693.html | 21:18 |
russellb | patches i did are still up for review, but blocked basically | 21:18 |
mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068693.html | 21:18 |
dougwig | that was kinda dirty pool, IMO. | 21:18 |
armax | I tried to summarize the state of the union | 21:18 |
armax | it’d be good to get a sense from sdague on where we are | 21:18 |
mestery | I appreciate russellb and armax trying to move the ball forward here given the constraints | 21:18 |
mestery | armax: Hopefully your ML post generates some discussion. Thanks for that. | 21:19 |
sc68cal | I think we're talking in -infra currently about some parts of that work | 21:19 |
armax | mestery: until we find a volunteer to work on adding multinode support to Grenade, then we’re in limbo | 21:19 |
mestery | armax: Agreed | 21:19 |
mestery | sc68cal: Thanks for keeping an eye on that | 21:19 |
sc68cal | the main thing is if DVR is a component in the multinode grenade job | 21:19 |
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mestery | sc68cal: For that to happen, we need Swami's fixes and a stable DVR itself | 21:20 |
sc68cal | meaning is that the point of the job, or is a configuration without DVR sufficient just to test partial upgrades | 21:20 |
mestery | *stable DVR job | 21:20 |
armax | sc68cal: that can be added at a later date, it can be just a config switch | 21:20 |
sc68cal | and then later enable DVR | 21:20 |
Swami | mestery: yes I agree | 21:20 |
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armax | the building blocks to wire everything together are there, afaik | 21:20 |
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mestery | Yes, someone needs the Ikea instruction sheet to move forward at this point | 21:20 |
mestery | OK, lets move further discussion to the ML | 21:21 |
mestery | #topic Flow Classifier Work | 21:21 |
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mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/flow-classifier | 21:21 |
mestery | vikram: Are you around? | 21:21 |
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mestery | OK, lets table that one for next week or Open Discussion in case vikram shows up | 21:22 |
mestery | #topic Packet Logging API for Neutron | 21:23 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468366 | 21:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Packet logging API for Neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 21:23 |
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mestery | I'm not sure who added this to the agenda to be honest | 21:23 |
hoangcx | sc68cal: I got sc68cal explanation about the difference between our SG API and Amazon AWS in mailing list. | 21:23 |
mestery | hoangcx: Excellent! | 21:23 |
hoangcx | So I would like to continue discuss and get decision about which approach [support NEW packet logging API or extend current SG API] should be ok for approval? | 21:23 |
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hoangcx | mestery: It is Yushiro. I am on behalf of Yushiro. He has a problem with his condition today :-( | 21:24 |
mestery | If we're leaning towards not deviating from AWS, then it seems like the natural way forward is a new API | 21:24 |
hoangcx | mestery: yeah. I think so. Thanks | 21:24 |
amotoki | precisely speaking, as sc68cal says, there is differences between neutron and aws sg Api, so I think we cannot make sg api fully compat. | 21:25 |
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hoangcx | So i will concentrate to support NEW logging API. | 21:25 |
ZZelle | hoangcx, it should also be coherent with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136760 ? | 21:25 |
sc68cal | most of the differences are the attribute names | 21:25 |
amotoki | imho we should keep the basic concept of SG api compat with aws. | 21:25 |
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sc68cal | but the concepts are fairly, if not completely similar | 21:25 |
hoangcx | ZZelle: I will look on it. Thanks | 21:26 |
hoangcx | amotoki: Thanks. I see. | 21:26 |
ZZelle | hoangcx, great | 21:26 |
amotoki | at least we should not consider applying SG to a network like firewall :-) I am not sure we need to keep all compat. | 21:26 |
mestery | amotoki: Point is well taken | 21:27 |
mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:27 |
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amotoki | perhasp we don't have a consensus and more broader discussion seems needed. | 21:27 |
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mestery | amotoki: Lets iterate on the RFE bug for that | 21:28 |
amotoki | yes. go ahead for open discussion | 21:28 |
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ajmiller | I have two open discussion items: | 21:28 |
ajmiller | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139758/ | 21:28 |
mestery | ajmiller: Please, go ahead! | 21:29 |
mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139758/ Flavor Framework review | 21:29 |
ajmiller | ^^Flavor framework patch. madhu_ak has just fixed merged conflicts and it is in the check tests now. We wold appreciate reviews on it, and feel it is ready | 21:29 |
mestery | ajmiller: Ack on that, it would be good to get this one in. I encourage folks to review this ASAP | 21:29 |
mestery | This slipped Kilo and would be ideal for Liberty | 21:30 |
ajmiller | Also FWaaS Use case discussion https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas_use_cases | 21:30 |
ajmiller | Please read the use cases, comment, add as necessary! | 21:30 |
pc_m | Would be nice to get review of RFE #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/4 | 21:30 |
ajmiller | Thanks | 21:30 |
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mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas_use_cases | 21:30 |
mestery | ajmiller: That's a good one to bringup as well! | 21:30 |
dougwig | it's worth noting that the fwaas use cases/api gap discussion will be happening at the services midcycle next week. | 21:30 |
pc_m | Could use direction on three options proposed. | 21:31 |
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mestery | #info FWaaS use case/API gap analysis at services midcycle next week | 21:31 |
mestery | dougwig: Will you provide a way for remote participants to take part in this? | 21:31 |
s3wong | dougwig: remote participation? | 21:32 |
mestery | dougwig: Given a lot of people can't travel, this would be ideal if possible | 21:32 |
dougwig | mestery: absolutely, if there's interest, which it sounds like there is. | 21:32 |
mestery | #action dougwig to ensure remote vehicle for participation for FWaaS discussion next week | 21:32 |
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regXboi | can we get a link for the service midcycle into the minutes? | 21:32 |
mestery | dougwig: ^^^ | 21:33 |
russellb | where's the meetup | 21:33 |
s3wong | Seattle? | 21:33 |
blogan | yes seattle | 21:34 |
kevinbenton | where is seattle? | 21:34 |
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blogan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 21:34 |
Sukhdev | kevinbenton: in Siberia :-) | 21:34 |
ajmiller | Seattle - I'm looking for the link... | 21:35 |
blogan | ajmiller: ^^ | 21:35 |
s3wong | kevinbenton: where IS Seattle, or where IN Seattle? | 21:35 |
ajmiller | HP office | 21:35 |
mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 21:35 |
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mestery | rofl | 21:35 |
ajmiller | 701 Pike St, Suite 900, corner of 7th and Pike | 21:35 |
mestery | It's a wonderfully awesome office within a 30 minute train ride straight north FWIW | 21:36 |
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mestery | :) | 21:36 |
ajmiller | We are in an office tower attached to the Washington State Convention Center. Details in the link mestery pasted | 21:36 |
ajmiller | Yes, anyone coming, don't bother renting a care. | 21:36 |
ajmiller | car | 21:36 |
blogan | good, no chance of getting towed | 21:36 |
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* kevinbenton thinks he planned his trip home poorly. missing seattle and the nova mid cycle... | 21:37 | |
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mestery | kevinbenton: For some definition of horrible, perhaps | 21:37 |
mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 21:37 |
mestery | Lets keep the train rolling towards Liberty-2 with a final touchdown near Liberty-3 for most things, and a bumpy landing for things landing in the FF. :) | 21:38 |
mestery | See you all on the ML and IRC! | 21:38 |
mestery | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 6 21:38:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-06-21.00.html | 21:38 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-06-21.00.txt | 21:38 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-06-21.00.log.html | 21:38 |
yamamoto | bye | 21:38 |
hoangcx | Bye | 21:38 |
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