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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 08:02:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:02 |
| anteaya | say hello if you are here for the third party meeting | 08:02 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: hi | 08:03 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: hello | 08:03 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: how are you? | 08:03 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: I was in hospital for some days.now i'm fine,thanks:) | 08:04 |
| anteaya | oh my | 08:04 |
| anteaya | I hope you are healing well | 08:04 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: of course,I'm back.nice to meet you:) | 08:05 |
| anteaya | nice to see you too | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | glad you are doing well | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | did you see in -infra someone was asking about your account? | 08:05 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: I've seen the issue you mention,I've retrigger the job | 08:06 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:06 |
| anteaya | did you get a chance to respond to their email? | 08:06 |
| anteaya | they said they sent you an email | 08:06 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: it's network issue.our network is not stable enough:) | 08:06 |
| anteaya | ah | 08:06 |
| anteaya | that can be frustrating | 08:06 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: haven't seen that,I'll reply the mail if i saw. | 08:07 |
| anteaya | okay well take a look | 08:07 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: ok,np | 08:07 |
| anteaya | he said he emailed the shared address: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | so I guess that would be the pci-ci email address | 08:08 |
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| devvesa | hi | 08:10 |
| anteaya | hi devvesa | 08:10 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:10 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: I've check all mails,there is no such mail.may be he'll send later:) | 08:10 |
| devvesa | frustated because I said to collaborate and I have not time to do so | 08:10 |
| devvesa | I still have to sync up with luqas... | 08:11 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: he had said he sent it already | 08:11 |
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| anteaya | Daviey: jyuso1 can't find the email you sent | 08:11 |
| anteaya | devvesa: yes it is frustrating to not have time to participate as you would like | 08:12 |
| anteaya | devvesa: do you work with luqas? | 08:12 |
| devvesa | Yes. But we both are busy in other stuff | 08:13 |
| Daviey | anteay / jyuso1 : I sent it to the shared mailox | 08:13 |
| anteaya | devvesa: ah | 08:13 |
| devvesa | And there are some priorities coming from managers | 08:13 |
| anteaya | Daviey: to the pci-ci email? | 08:13 |
| devvesa | so... sorry about this | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | Daviey: jyuso1 says he can't find it | 08:13 |
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| Daviey | anteaya: openstack_ci@intel.com IIRC | 08:13 |
| anteaya | devvesa: yes, I understand | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | Daviey: I didn't see that email on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI | 08:14 |
| anteaya | Daviey: where did you get that email from? | 08:14 |
| anteaya | Daviey: Intel has 5 gerrit ci accounts: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 08:15 |
| anteaya | devvesa: thanks for letting us know | 08:15 |
| devvesa | anteaya: thanks for understand :) | 08:16 |
| anteaya | devvesa: of course | 08:16 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:16 |
| Daviey | anteaya: Apologise, i am on a moile device.. The contact address was listed on the root of their CI results page | 08:16 |
| anteaya | hopefully you can come back at some point | 08:16 |
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| jyuso1 | Daviey: Oh,I find your mail.This "openstack_ci@intel.com" is not using anymore:) | 08:17 |
| Daviey | jyuso1: fancy taking the action of getting the template updated? http://198.175.100.33/189377/2/ | 08:17 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: perhaps you can update the contact information on your CI results page? | 08:17 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: OK,that's my problem,I'll fix it soon | 08:20 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: thank you | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | Daviey: thanks for shedding some light on the missing email | 08:22 |
| anteaya | do we have anything else to discuss today? | 08:23 |
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| jyuso1 | Daviey: sorry,i'll go to retrigger the job now.The result will be updated soon. | 08:27 |
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| anteaya | jyuso1 devvesa did we have anything else to discuss today? | 08:30 |
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| Daviey | jyuso1: That change has merged now :).. but probably good for historic review | 08:31 |
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| Daviey | jyuso1: That change has merged now :).. but probably good for historic review | 08:32 |
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| jyuso | Daviey: OK,good to hear that.If you met this kind of issue from our CI next time,you may ping me in IRC directly.Really hope i could help. | 08:40 |
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| anteaya | do we have anything else to discuss today? | 08:50 |
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| anteaya | if no, we can wrap up | 08:50 |
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| anteaya | thanks for your attendance and participation today everyone | 08:51 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: thanks,i don't have more question. | 08:51 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: ah okay | 08:52 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: thanks for being here | 08:52 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:52 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:52 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: see you:) | 08:52 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 08:52:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-09-08.02.html | 08:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-09-08.02.txt | 08:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-09-08.02.log.html | 08:52 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 14:59:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 14:59 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:00 |
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| * edleafe hears crickets | 15:00 | |
| n0ano | n0ano, doesn't even hear insects | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, I guess you and I can make all the decisions now :-) | 15:02 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: but since we always disagree, it'll just be tie votes :) | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | :-) | 15:02 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I did have one question for you, are you working on a spec for Liberty right now? | 15:02 |
| edleafe | just the NoValidHost one | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | I have a spec tracking page and your not on it, do you have a link for that and I'll add it | 15:03 |
| n0ano | s/your/you're | 15:03 |
| edleafe | https://review.openstack.org/187739 | 15:03 |
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| * n0ano hates misplaces ' | 15:03 | |
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| edleafe | I was going to ask for some eyes on it | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | I'll see if I can look into it today, miraculously this is my last meeting today (don't ask about the rest of the week)( | 15:04 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: this is my second of 6 :( | 15:05 |
| n0ano | I have studiously kept Tues clear luckily, Mon/Wed/Thurs - not so much | 15:05 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: did you get my email with the Doodle results? | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | indeed :-( I `hate` trying to schedule things but we'll have to discuss this when more people are on | 15:06 |
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| edleafe | If you hate scheduling things, why are you working on the scheduler? :) | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | based upon your doodle results my vote would be to keep the current time and jay can join when he's available | 15:07 |
| n0ano | bad english, I hate scheduling `people`, computers are OK | 15:07 |
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| edleafe | The 1700 UTC time looked great except for bauza | 15:08 |
| edleafe | we should find out how 'hard' an unavailability that is for him | 15:08 |
| n0ano | personally, I'd prefer to have bauzas here on a regular basis over jay but that's just one vote | 15:08 |
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| edleafe | I'd really like to have jaypipes involved in these meetings | 15:09 |
| edleafe | well, of course both would be best | 15:09 |
| n0ano | me too but if we have to choose ... | 15:09 |
| n0ano | anyway, it's 10 after, looks like no one else is available today, let's close this and go off and do some work | 15:10 |
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| edleafe | work??? | 15:10 |
| edleafe | what's that? | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | I consider my job play but I've heard that some people think it's a burden :-) | 15:11 |
| n0ano | we'll try again next week, tnx for coming | 15:11 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 15:11:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2015/scheduler.2015-06-09-14.59.html | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2015/scheduler.2015-06-09-14.59.txt | 15:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2015/scheduler.2015-06-09-14.59.log.html | 15:11 |
| edleafe | n0ano: oh, one other thing - the PDF I sent with the results was in EDT | 15:11 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, you sure, it looks like CDT to me | 15:12 |
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| edleafe | yes | 15:12 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: I had set it up from 8am - noon CDT | 15:13 |
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| crinkle | #startmeeting test | 15:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 15:35:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:35 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'test' | 15:36 |
| crinkle | #topic test | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "test (Meeting topic: test)" | 15:36 | |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 15:36:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2015/test.2015-06-09-15.35.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2015/test.2015-06-09-15.35.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2015/test.2015-06-09-15.35.log.html | 15:36 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, room is clear | 17:57 |
| morganfainberg | ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rharwood, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, stevemar, topol, wanghong | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 17:58 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | it's that magical time of the week | 17:58 |
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| topol | o/ | 17:58 |
| ericksonsantos | \o | 17:58 |
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| david8hu | \o | 17:58 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, ooooh, I need to compose a Keystone Themesong | 17:58 |
| david8hu | o/ | 17:58 |
| bknudson | ayoung already has a wedding march | 17:58 |
| htruta_ | o/ | 17:58 |
| raildo | iiiiittt's timeee!!! #ufcFellings | 17:58 |
| lbragstad | o/ startin' early | 17:58 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I also played Hava Nagila, but they didn't get that in Video | 17:58 |
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| morganfainberg | lbragstad: the ping can go out a few minutes early | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | hi o/ | 17:59 |
| bknudson | not much room for dancing on a plane | 17:59 |
| bknudson | no matter what the commercials say | 17:59 |
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| lbragstad | raildo: ++ | 17:59 |
| bknudson | no choke holds here. | 18:00 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: awww... | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | zippee do dah zippee de day | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | ok uhm.. we're a bit light on cores today | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | i don't think we have enough to meet a quorum | 18:01 |
| henrynash | (no idea how you spell that) | 18:01 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | oooh lookie henrynash | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | and a lhcheng | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | ok i think that we have enough now. | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | \o/ | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 18:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| gyee_ | \o | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | hey everyone! | 18:03 |
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| henrynash | the cores come rolli’ in…. | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | so uhm. yeah lets get rolling | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Spec Proposal Freeze | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec Proposal Freeze (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| ayoung | Keep them dogies rollin Rawhide! | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #info June 23 is SPF | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | Please post / review / etc specs | 18:04 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: and for this spec needs to approved, I assume? | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | yes. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah...way too soon | 18:04 |
| amakarov | wow, meeting! | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | anything post L1 will need a SPF-Exception | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | most should be easy | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | seems like posted should be good enough. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, We just have people starting to pay attention again post summit | 18:04 |
| david8hu | 23rd is only 2 weeks away | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: we can evaluate next meeting if we want to just say "posted by" | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: posted and completely fleshed out* if we're going that route | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: but please please please try and get the specs in at least the general form they should be merged in | 18:05 |
| ayoung | we are going to get to the point where spec proposal freeze for P is before the N summit | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | we can worry about bikeshedding at that point | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: hate to break it to you, but SPF for M is tomorrow. | 18:05 |
| ayoung | so...yeah, posted | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I figured I had already missed it | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: :P | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | ok anyway | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | lol ahh | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | Post the specs. review ones that are ready | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | lets land what we can | 18:06 |
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| browne | speaking of specs, do i need one for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/role-descriptions. Its on the agenda | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | #action Next meeting discuss where we are on specs and handling the specs that are posted but not approved / don't look like they will land by L1 | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | browne: i'll have an answer post meeting at the latest for you | 18:07 |
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| browne | morganfainberg: ok thanks | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Midcycle | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:07 | |
| ayoung | OK... | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | #info Reminder that Keystone Midcycle is July 15-17. Send note to ayoung if you are attending. | 18:07 |
| ayoung | So I need to get a head count | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | trackign on trello | 18:07 |
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| bknudson | I thought we had a lot more than 7 | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: I recommend using the wiki. | 18:08 |
| dstanek | are we tracking what hotels people are going to? | 18:08 |
| gyee_ | henrynash, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187045/ | 18:08 |
| ayoung | it *is* possible to get a parking pass, but only ask if you really really need it. | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | topol: ^ | 18:08 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I can do that | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: easier since everyone already has access for the wiki | 18:08 |
| ayoung | topol, is staying close enough to walk. | 18:08 |
| henrynash | gyee: yep, I’ll respond to the comments | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | and we have a table for that | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, OK I'll do that | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | if we have someone who needs a parking pass, we can possibly have them pickup a group of people who otherwise would need a parking pass. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | i expect to be staying ~walking distance | 18:09 |
| * morganfainberg hasn't booked hotel yet | 18:09 | |
| ayoung | I'd recommend that | 18:09 |
| dstanek | ayoung: is there a close train stop? | 18:09 |
| bknudson | I think it would be faster for me to walk than drive | 18:09 |
| ayoung | if you need cheap housing, the dorms are avaialble, but need to know soon...they need at least 2 weeks lead time | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dstanek, Green Line MBTA is right in front | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg to try and source sponsorship for a day's food from HP at MidCycle | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dstanek, but depends on where you are staying how long it will take. | 18:10 |
| dstanek | i have to look for a hotel now | 18:10 |
| ayoung | hotel list is on trello as well | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | boston must be a popular place because I wasn't seeing a lot of hotels in our booking tool. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: make sure at least to put the trello link in the wiki for the midcycle | 18:11 |
| dstanek | bknudson: not in ours either | 18:11 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, will do....looking for old Midcycle wiki links now | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KeystoneLibertySprint | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | ok we can continue midcycle info/updates offline | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Re-enable DB2 CI posting? | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Re-enable DB2 CI posting? (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:13 | |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: o/ | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we have a team in china that has set up CI for DB | 18:13 |
| bknudson | DB2 | 18:13 |
| bknudson | and they've been working on stabilizing it lately | 18:13 |
| ayoung | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KeystoneLibertySprint | 18:13 |
| bknudson | and they say it's stable now, so they asked if I could request turning it back on. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: looks good to me | 18:13 |
| bknudson | and have it report on all changes in keystone master | 18:13 |
| bknudson | non-voting of course... | 18:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: the concern before was that it was completely unmaintained when it starting failing, not that it didn't have a team behind it when it started | 18:14 |
| bknudson | I don't think you can make it voting. | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | if you think it is stable / will remain so - and the logs adhere to the requirements for 3rd party CI i'm ok with it | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | but if it goes off the rails and no one is watching it, we will need to cut it out again | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i don't want it a voting job until it's shown it is stable for a bit [we can evaluate that later if we feel like it should be voting] | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | it can't be a gate job | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | but it could be a voting check job | 18:15 |
| bknudson | I can't make any promises that the china team will be more responsive than last time. | 18:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: do we have an official contact person / mailing list for when it fails in the future? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: ++ | 18:15 |
| bknudson | y, the contact person is on the CI wiki page ... | 18:15 |
| dolphm | last time it was like communicating with /dev/null | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | we can try it with the contact | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | like i said, if it goes off the rails again - we'll have to have it no longer post and I wont be as open to re-enable reporting again | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ^ I assume that's still the correct contact? | 18:17 |
| bknudson | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IBM/IBM_DB2_CI | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | but i'm ok with allowing it if you think it is currently stable. you know it better than I do. | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: do you know if they are in IRC? | 18:17 |
| bknudson | I actually can't vouch for how stable it is. | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: how have they been verifying it? | 18:18 |
| dstanek | bknudson: you're not selling this well | 18:18 |
| bknudson | If you got any issues of this DB2-TEST CI, please contact "yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com" | 18:18 |
| bknudson | ^ from the wiki | 18:18 |
| dolphm | bknudson: it'd be nice if it posted that in gerrit comments when it failed | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | just sayin' | 18:18 |
| bknudson | dstanek: this is why I'm not in sales. | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | I think the message it posts has a link to the wiki ? | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com should probably be the one pushing to have it turned back on :) | 18:19 |
| bknudson | although I haven't seen a failure so I don't know. | 18:19 |
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| bknudson | yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com is pushing to have it turned back on... but the meeting time is not convenient for someone in beijing. | 18:19 |
| dolphm | that's understandable | 18:20 |
| dolphm | although an IRC nick would be nice to have on hand | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | I'd be will to hop on at night and visit with them about it, if they want to meet in -keystone | 18:20 |
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| bknudson | I can definitely return with feedback and tell them to provide more info | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | or we can try to set up a time when they can present their own story about the stability of the system. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: sure. | 18:22 |
| dolphm | maybe setup a daytime meeting for beijing in #openstack-keystone where we can follow up with questions sometime before the next keystone meeting? | 18:22 |
| bknudson | I will do that. | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | 1 AM UTC is 9am in beijing, and 8pm for me in texas | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | 10 am Beijing time is around 9 pm central | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: beat me to it | 18:23 |
| bknudson | so try for some time at 8pm Central time? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:24 |
| bknudson | some day | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | works for me | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | if it's central thats easy for me to make it to | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | 6pm is normally [when i'm not on GMT+2] | 18:24 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: when do you get back to PST? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | june 17 | 18:24 |
| dolphm | oh | 18:25 |
| dolphm | you're probably closer to beijing time now lol | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: it's 20:35 right now | 18:25 |
| ayoung | OK...next item? | 18:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: setup a meeting! we'll be there | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Reseller Scope | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reseller Scope (Meeting topic: Keystone)" | 18:25 | |
| morganfainberg | raildo, htruta, rodrigods o/ | 18:26 |
| raildo | \o | 18:26 |
| htruta_ | o/ | 18:26 |
| raildo | I think many of you saw the thread in the mailing list about this subject. We have some ideas, from henrynash, ayoung and others keystone cores, to define how do handle with project name with the reseller implementation | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox is not here...he wanted to punt on it | 18:26 |
| raildo | (and how to get a project scoped token for this project) | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: punt to what? | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i am a fan of what jamie said. keep the artifical project is unique in a domain requirement for now | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | so we can establish HMT workflows | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, bascially say that you can only scope a token by project name if it was directly under the domain | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | and then loosen that up | 18:27 |
| raildo | I think that the first questions that we need to answer is: should project name only be unique within parent project? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | if you are doing anything deeper, scope by project ID | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | raildo: for now, yes. | 18:27 |
| dolphm | ayoung: oh that's interesting | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | raildo: it's easier to loosen that than close it back up | 18:27 |
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| htruta_ | ayoung had a proposal that: if a conflict happens, always give the token to the project | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | raildo, and we came up wiht the hack that to get the domain-as-project scoped token you pass in a project name of "" | 18:28 |
| htruta_ | since we are not making it restricted only in the parents, it seems like a good approach | 18:28 |
| henrynash | ayoung: no you can scope to any project in a hierarcy | 18:28 |
| ayoung | henrynash, not what I am saying | 18:28 |
| dolphm | htruta_: like, scope to the smallest match? | 18:28 |
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| henrynash | ayuong: just have to allow is_domain = True/False in auth scope | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: i worry about fancy matching breaking our current auth mechs | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, if we add is_domain to the request | 18:29 |
| ayoung | henrynash, if you need a token scoped to the domain as-a-project, you can pass in domain_name="Blah" projc_name = "" | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | if want to loose the constraint later | 18:29 |
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| rodrigods | it won't work anymore | 18:29 |
| htruta_ | dolphm: having a is_domain project A and a non is_domain called A, requesting project scoped token to A, would return the project | 18:29 |
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| htruta_ | ayoung ++ | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: i'd rather disallow a domain from getting a project scope" | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: i really do not like the "is_domain" prospect | 18:30 |
| dstanek | htruta_: i like that - i find it confusing that Project<is_domain=True> can act as a project and a domain | 18:30 |
| dolphm | strange solution: since we require explicit role assignments on the project, we can drastically reduce the available matching scopes by filtering against the available role assignments? there are weird consequences of that, but it'd make for a nice user experience | 18:30 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberg: when domains are represented by projects, surely we need to allow them to get a project tokne to the project that is acting as a domain (if they want) | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | we still can collapse projects and domains into a single table to get the HMT heirarchy to be easier | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | rather than nasssty joins etc | 18:31 |
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| htruta_ | morganfainberg: but wasn't the point of making the domain acting as a project to make it better to other services? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | henrynash, that is exactly what I was proposing | 18:31 |
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| raildo | henrynash, ++ | 18:31 |
| ayoung | if both the domain and a project under it share a name, the project wins | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | htruta_: more so to make the hierarchy esier to manae | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | manage* | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | the domain name is only its name as a domain....it has no name as a project. Kind of like unit "/" for root directory | 18:32 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, ++ | 18:32 |
| ayoung | unit-> unix | 18:32 |
| htruta_ | dstanek: actually, it does not remove the domain as a project capabaility... it only avoids it in case of conflict | 18:32 |
| henrynash | ayoung: my divergence to that is that the I propose is_domain defaults to “False” in requests (auth scope of list projects)…unless it is explictly specified | 18:32 |
| ayoung | "the domain as a project must not be named" | 18:33 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, but is_domain=True won't work if we change the constraint to consider just the parent_id | 18:33 |
| dstanek | ayoung: but how can that be true if you need to use it? | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, you have to declare the domain name | 18:33 |
| henrynash | rodigods: not sure i undestand that, sorry! | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: i thought those is_domain projects can be used just like any other project | 18:34 |
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| htruta_ | rodrigods means that if, in the future we want to make projects unique only below parents | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dstanek, yep....they just won;'t have a"project" name... | 18:34 |
| htruta_ | we would need to drop the "is_domain" attribute from token | 18:34 |
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| htruta_ | henrynash ^ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dstanek, Or, we could say that their name is / | 18:34 |
| dstanek | ayoung: so the end user will see the name and not be able to use it? | 18:34 |
| rodrigods | htruta_, ++ | 18:34 |
| raildo | in resume, have some options:1- add a is_domain=True/False flag in the token request and a project name will be unique in a domain 2- use a delimiter and inform the hierarchy name, like A.B.C, 3- handle with the name as a list like: ['A', 'B', 'C'] | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, think of it from the horizon perspective. you do a list projects for user, and use the result ot make a dropdwon. The dropdwon has the domain name:: project name | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | raildo: i think we need to use the heirarchy representation (or delimiter) | 18:35 |
| henrynash | I believe in the future, the domain API will be deprecated…and everything we know about domains will be attributes of a project….hence introcuing the use of being able to do all domain actions via teh project API (by specifying the appropiate attributes) seems like thwe way to go | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | for the parent proejct it would just show the domain name, no project name | 18:35 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, if we use the hierarchy representation why keep project names unique in a domain? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | so If I Had a redhat domain with a redhat p[roejct I would see | 18:36 |
| ayoung | redhat:: | 18:36 |
| ayoung | redhat::redhat | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | ok so.. what if... | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | what if... | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | if you want to scope to the domain you use it's parent. | 18:36 |
| raildo | rodrigods, morganfainberg yes, that is the question... | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | or no parent [if it's the root] | 18:36 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, does not really work | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | otherwise the project wins. since you've said "in this namespace" | 18:36 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: that's sort of what i was saying the other day | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: yeah i think i'm coming around to it | 18:37 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, when requesting a token, we explicitly request a domain stanza for the project | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | a domain is in a domain | 18:37 |
| ayoung | so all I am adding is that the root project has no explicit name | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | always [root being magical maybe] | 18:37 |
| dstanek | iiuc the ambiguity is that the is_main and the project it contains point to the same id (maybe domain di) when doing the lookup | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, scope by ID works already...it doesn't need the domain ID | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | what we need is a way for Horizon to show this to the end users | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | if you're scoping to a name of a domain you have to specify it's namespace | 18:38 |
| htruta_ | root is always an is_domain, btw | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | and just dropping the name is the least surprise | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | if you specify the domain and the name - it *must* be a project under that domain | 18:38 |
| htruta_ | morganfainberg: aren't domain names unique across the cloud? | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | always Namespace(project) where project is subordinate | 18:39 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, what you are saying makes sense to us. It will not make sense to end users | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: we are bound by our current contract(s) though | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | and the way auth works | 18:39 |
| ayoung | it means that default::redhat will show up in my dropdown now | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, this fits our current contract | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: we can special case "root" | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | but yes, you will need to have the namespace | 18:39 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is, essentially, what I am saying, but saying that all domains are "root" | 18:39 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, ++ | 18:40 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the domain name remains as the namespace | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | if domains are globally unique sure | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | thats easy | 18:40 |
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| morganfainberg | we can start with keeping globally unique names | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | and work to address that down the line | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | when we have things like the ability to version (microversion?) our api via flask | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | we don't want to try and do microversion(ing) now. | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | it would look like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/278495/ | 18:41 |
| ayoung | and that works now, since we don't allow the project name to be blank when creating a project | 18:42 |
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| henrynash | (needs to see the auth API spec of what we are really proposing ) | 18:42 |
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| raildo | ayoung, I like this idea | 18:43 |
| htruta_ | ayoung: ++, once we have: 1) domains name unique across cloud and 2) projects name unique in a domain | 18:43 |
| dstanek | ayoung: so as user outside of horizon i have to know that the project is special when using it? i can't just specify the name like to do now? | 18:43 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, only if we have a conflict | 18:43 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, a domain that contains a project with the same name | 18:44 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: so the user has to know there is a conflict before submitting that request? | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, that's the confusing part of it :( | 18:44 |
| dolphm | that's terribad | 18:44 |
| htruta_ | dstanek: if you are trying to use the is_domain project, yes | 18:44 |
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| gyee_ | ++terribad | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | we have 15min | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | let's use hierarchies and do not constraint project names in a domain | 18:45 |
| raildo | dstanek, no, if we find a conflict we can raise a exception and ask to the user request in this way | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | 5 more min on this btw max | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | rodrigods, I think, No, not only for conflict | 18:45 |
| dstanek | raildo: so no more automatically picking the project? | 18:45 |
| ayoung | I think we say this is hiow you get domain scoped tokens across the board | 18:45 |
| ayoung | er | 18:45 |
| ayoung | proejct scoped tokens for domains | 18:45 |
| htruta_ | dstanek: i guess we are still picking the project | 18:45 |
| gyee_ | why not call it a domain?! | 18:46 |
| htruta_ | if you do specify the project name A in the domain id A, you'll get the project | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | we need to figure this out because the L1 deadline | 18:46 |
| henrynash | I’m sticking with proposing is_domain=True in the request if you want the project that is acting as the domain, otherwise it is ALWAYS a proejct that is not acting as a domain | 18:46 |
| bknudson | we could call them tenants | 18:46 |
| dstanek | htruta_: so the user just wouldn't know that they are getting the wrong thing? | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, lol | 18:46 |
| gyee_ | bknudson, hey now | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | i liked dstanek's idea of having "/A/B/C" | 18:47 |
| htruta_ | dstanek: you mean, in a existing deploy that will be migrated? | 18:47 |
| dstanek | will the user always know that they are asking for a project vs. a project<is_domain=True>? | 18:48 |
| htruta_ | if so, the answer is no, once if we get the token in the same way we do today, we'll get the regular project | 18:48 |
| dolphm | we could also just not support names deeper than the top two levels in the hierarchy. | 18:48 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: ha! | 18:48 |
| dstanek | i was hoping that is_domain projects would only act as domains name not projects - this issue would be way easier | 18:49 |
| gyee_ | dolphm, ftw! | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: not a bad idea | 18:49 |
| htruta_ | dstanek: if we do have a conflict, and the user passes the project name, he'll be able to get the token to the project the same way he does today | 18:50 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, I was going to suggest LDAP DN style | 18:50 |
| ayoung | gyee_, this is your fault for not listening to me, and my fault for not making you, back when you were pushing domains. I said "why don't we just make projects hierarchical?" | 18:50 |
| gyee_ | but I thought better of it | 18:50 |
| htruta_ | that means, the token goes to the usual project | 18:50 |
| ayoung | gyee_, no you were not | 18:50 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, because there's a clear difference between projects and domains | 18:50 |
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| dstanek | htruta_: i think is there is an ambiguity we have to tell the user and can't just give then something | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:51 |
| ayoung | both "/A/B/C" and ["A","B","C"] should work | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | lets continue this in -keystone | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | we have another couple topics to hit | 18:51 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: I guess that is what I am suggesting….project request via out APIs assume is-domain=False unless you explicitly specify otherwise…e.g. Get /projects woud not shown and is_domain projects, unless you did GET /projects?is_domain=True | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | please simmer on what has been tossed out as a suggestion | 18:51 |
| henrynash | (e.g. Get /projects woud not show any is_domain projects, unless you did GET /projects?is_domain=True) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | i think the discussion has been good and presenting some interesting ideas. | 18:52 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, sure | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Handling auth plugins that uses other auth plugins | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | rodrigods, marekd o/ | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | since marek isn't here we can defer | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | if needed | 18:53 |
| bknudson | I assume this means auth plugins for keystoneauth and not auth plugins for keystone | 18:53 |
| rodrigods | I synced with him prior the meeting | 18:53 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, yes | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | I wonder if what he means is that we really want to remove X509 and JKerberos from auth plugins | 18:53 |
| rodrigods | so... in k2k auth plugin we need to be logged in two clouds at the same time: local cloud and remote cloud. So we are building a plugin that uses another plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188581/ | 18:53 |
| ayoung | and make them factes we enable on the session | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | how does the library know which plugin to use? | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | we want to figure out how to pass this "extra" plugin to OSC so it will be able to build the plugins correctly. | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, that's the question :) | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | even big plugins have little plugins upon their backs to bitem | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | marekd proposal (which makes much sense to me) is something like: openstack --os-auth-plugin=password --project-id=<local_project> --os-remote-auth-plugin --os-remote-projectid=<remote_plugin> remote token issue/remote server list is a good UX, so we are basically ties to a local cloud and with command like remote we are bursting. | 18:54 |
| bknudson | it would be based on the region? | 18:55 |
| gyee_ | what is a region? | 18:55 |
| rodrigods | region? | 18:55 |
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| rodrigods | it is based in the service_provider | 18:55 |
| gyee_ | lets get some consensus on the meaning of region | 18:56 |
| rodrigods | region is a set of openstack services, service_provider is a remote trusted cloud | 18:56 |
| rodrigods | which may have several regions as well | 18:57 |
| gyee_ | but IIRC, that's not how our service catalog says | 18:57 |
| gyee_ | not how Horizon is using it | 18:57 |
| rodrigods | service providers aren't listed inside the catalog | 18:57 |
| bknudson | the openstack command will be something like openstack server create , right? | 18:57 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, yes | 18:58 |
| bknudson | so how does it know that you're server is on local cloud or remote cloud? | 18:58 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, we right now can specify plugins dinamically | 18:58 |
| gyee_ | bknudson, the namespace idea got me thinking, actually | 18:58 |
| rodrigods | so if we also specify a "remote-auth-plugin" | 18:58 |
| bknudson | I'm not talking about the auth plugin here. | 18:58 |
| bknudson | this is after the auth plugin. | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | 2m | 18:58 |
| bknudson | how does it know where to send the boot request? | 18:58 |
| bknudson | isn't that the region? | 18:59 |
| bknudson | after it gets the token | 18:59 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, the remote cloud token contains its regions | 18:59 |
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| bknudson | how does the openstack command know what the remote cloud is? | 19:00 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you go to talk to the remote cloud the entire time | 19:00 |
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| rodrigods | dolphm, ++ | 19:00 |
| dolphm | bknudson: service providers are in the token resopnse, but not in the catalog exactly | 19:00 |
| bknudson | except for the first request which goes to local keystone | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | ok that is time | 19:01 |
| dstanek | ... over time | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | please move this to -keystone | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | thanks all | 19:01 |
| rodrigods | ok, thanks! | 19:01 |
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| morganfainberg | browne will discuss in -keystone | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 19:01:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| browne | ok | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-06-09-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-06-09-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-06-09-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 19:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| * morganfainberg lets infra take the channel | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:01 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:01 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 19:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:01 |
| asselin | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-06-02-19.01.html | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Infra-cloud (jeblair, SpamapS) | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #info infra cloud spec was approved | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link infra cloud spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/infra-cloud.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | the action on this now moves to the system documentation which is here: | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link infra cloud documentation https://review.openstack.org/180796 | 19:02 |
| jeblair | so people interested in how we actually deploy that should review that | 19:03 |
| ruagair | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Host OpenStack Apps Catalog Service (docaedo, fungi) | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #info apps.o.o spec was approved | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link apps.o.o spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/apps-site.html | 19:03 |
| jeblair | that's two down! :) | 19:03 |
| fungi | awesome. guess now i'm on the hook to finish that ;) | 19:04 |
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| ttx | o/ | 19:04 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:04 |
| jeblair | fungi: i have subscribed to your repo :) | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Shade (mordred) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | and my newsletter? | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #link shade spec https://review.openstack.org/187312 | 19:04 |
| mordred | approve my spec everyone | 19:05 |
| mordred | otherwise I'll be sad | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | this looks like it has buy-in from folks in this area of interest | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | anyone think it needs more time or shall we open voting on it? | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/187312 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:06 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Puppet apply (mordred) | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | #link puppet apply spec https://review.openstack.org/165217 | 19:06 |
| mordred | approve my spec everyone | 19:06 |
| mordred | otherwise I'll be sad | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | next up, a spec from mordred! | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | mordred: can you just add that to the commit message? | 19:06 |
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| mordred | anteaya: I do have that ability | 19:07 |
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| anteaya | you do | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | this one also seems ready to me; it's something we've talked about, and nearly implemented, for a long time | 19:07 |
| mordred | as a note, the ansible puppet module has been merged into upstream ansible | 19:07 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: agree | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/165217 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Puppet 4 preparation and testing (mordred) | 19:07 |
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| mordred | approve my spec everyone | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #link puppet4 spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175223 | 19:08 |
| mordred | otherwise I'll be sad | 19:08 |
| anteaya | mordred specbot | 19:08 |
| mordred | this is the last time I'll have 5 specs up for voting at the same time, I promise | 19:08 |
| fungi | yikes. puppet 4 already? | 19:08 |
| anteaya | I don't believe you | 19:08 |
| dougwig | next time it'll be 10 | 19:08 |
| mordred | fungi: it's coming | 19:08 |
| mordred | dougwig: ++ | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | fungi: just setting up the testing | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | we dont have to pull the trigger | 19:09 |
| fungi | nibalizer: more just amazed that puppet 4 already exists | 19:09 |
| mordred | fungi: semver solves everything | 19:09 |
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| nibalizer | your view is probably skewed a bit because we were on 3 for entirely too long | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: I think this spec is ready | 19:09 |
| jeblair | s/were/have been/ :) | 19:10 |
| jeblair | (which i guess is the point :) | 19:10 |
| mordred | s/3/2/ | 19:10 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: agree | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | s/3/2/ | 19:10 |
| anteaya | dougwig: that is more like it | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/175223 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:10 |
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| nibalizer | wooo | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Maniphest bug tracking (mordred) | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | #link maniphest spec https://review.openstack.org/188196 | 19:10 |
| mordred | approve my spec everyone | 19:10 |
| mordred | otherwise I'll be sad | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | mordred is a spec machine | 19:10 |
| fungi | also he has a great command of the up arrow in his irc client | 19:11 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:11 |
| mordred | fungi: I have an up arrow? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | ttx: ^ you might want to take a look at this one | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | but i think this comes almost directly from the summit session, so i think it's probably ready for voting | 19:12 |
| jeblair | anyone disagree ^? | 19:12 |
| fungi | seems ready | 19:12 |
| mordred | I made one informational change in the last revision in response to yolanda's question | 19:12 |
| mordred | which is worth pointing out - which is the that I do not think we want to run both things - so we would be migrating everything in storyboard, not just infra projects | 19:13 |
| jeblair | *nod* | 19:13 |
| jeblair | there aren't too many of those | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/188196 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Puppet Functional Testing (nibalizer, crinkle) | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | #link puppet functional testing spec https://review.openstack.org/178887 | 19:14 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:14 |
| jeblair | zaro does not seem to be here | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | he -1d it with questions, but i think they were asking for more information, not expressing significant disagreement or potential problems | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | This is largely a summary of what was discussed at the summit, with cleanups from crinkle | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | well more like a rewrite from crinkle | 19:15 |
| crinkle | ah i can take a look at zaro's questions | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: answered them as comments; i don't actually think they need a new revision, so i'm inclined to say let's open voting as-is | 19:16 |
| crinkle | looks like nibalizer answered them | 19:16 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: i agree, but I'm biased :) | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/178887 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Host a code search service (taron, fungi, pleia2) | 19:17 |
| nibalizer | woooo | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | #link code search spec https://review.openstack.org/188574 | 19:17 |
| fungi | if you don't approve my spec, i won't be sad. i was planning to spend this morning reviewing everyone else's open specs and then reality got in the way (again) | 19:17 |
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| taron | heh | 19:17 |
| fungi | this is the project taron, our outreachy intern, is going to be working on this summer | 19:17 |
| jeblair | fungi: but mordred might be sad | 19:17 |
| mordred | this may be the first spec we've had in infra which suggests that someone write go | 19:17 |
| fungi | a frightening thought indeed | 19:18 |
| * mordred opens the barn door to show everyone 27 sad goats | 19:18 | |
| pleia2 | hah | 19:18 |
| * mordred closes the door again satisfied that people know the consequences | 19:18 | |
| fungi | mordred: fwiw, that go suggestion was courtesy of jeblair ;) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mordred's new programming language is goat | 19:18 |
| mordred | jeblair: WHY IS THAT NOT A LANGUAGE????? | 19:19 |
| * fungi assumed this was just an "at" replacement written in go | 19:19 | |
| anteaya | it will show up everywhere | 19:19 |
| taron | I was about to ask the same thing | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | eat the flowers | 19:19 |
| anteaya | be in the neighbour's yard | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #info voting on https://review.openstack.org/188574 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC | 19:19 |
| mordred | anteaya: eat the neighbour's yard | 19:19 |
| jeblair | that was fun! | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #topic Schedule Project Renames | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: whee! | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | mordred: that too | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i think we mumbled something about doing this on friday as we were ejected from the room last week | 19:20 |
| fungi | we have entirely too many of these | 19:20 |
| fungi | but i agree friday would work for me | 19:20 |
| jeblair | we have a metric boatload | 19:20 |
| anteaya | well this friday worked better for me and fungi than last friday | 19:20 |
| mordred | yah. and I still haven't tested the playlist :( | 19:20 |
| mordred | playbook | 19:20 |
| mordred | whatever | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | I think the puppet openstack stuff needs to move too, and it's not yet on the list | 19:20 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: ^ | 19:20 |
| mordred | yah. I beleive I saw a patch for that | 19:20 |
| anteaya | playbill | 19:20 |
| nibalizer | mordred: lets spin up a spotify playlist for these ops | 19:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: do you think you might have something for us by then? | 19:20 |
| fungi | i wonder where we could get a metric boat for these | 19:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: or should we proceed as we have in the past? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: not the states | 19:21 |
| jeblair | mordred: and will you be around? | 19:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: I mean, let's plan to proceed as we have in the past - but I'l also try to have something for us | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | I'm out on friday for family medical thing, but you can go on without me | 19:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: I will be in berlin | 19:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: I do not know if that counts as around | 19:21 |
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| ttx | jeblair: adding to my review queue | 19:21 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm happy to put together yet another cut-n-paste batch for this round if the playbook is not ready for prime time | 19:22 |
| anteaya | well this friday looks like just fungi and jeblair (you good for friday?) for roots | 19:22 |
| anteaya | and a huge list | 19:22 |
| mordred | I mean, I'll be around if we can do it earlier in the day | 19:22 |
| anteaya | pleia2: is next friday better for you? | 19:22 |
| mordred | if we do it later in the day, I'll be, you know, drunk - but could still be around | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: yeah, I'll be around | 19:23 |
| anteaya | pleia2: so the 19th is better for you? | 19:23 |
| anteaya | mordred: the 19th? | 19:23 |
| anteaya | I'm around on the 19th but not root so kind of useless | 19:23 |
| jeblair | we normally do it around 2200 utc | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | mordred: what time would be best for you this friday? | 19:24 |
| fungi | either of the next two fridays are wide open for me. i'll just be here fixing (or breaking) things | 19:24 |
| mordred | anteaya: I will be around on the 19th | 19:24 |
| jeblair | (i think 2200 utc counts as vaguely "late" in berlin) | 19:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: I mean, I don't have a lot on my calendar for friday | 19:24 |
| mordred | so I have no idea | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | i will be sprinting on friday the 19th | 19:25 |
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| mordred | problem is - the times that would be good for me are times when it's bad to have an outage | 19:25 |
| jeblair | (project-team guide virtual sprint) | 19:25 |
| anteaya | oh yeah, the sprint | 19:25 |
| mordred | ahyes | 19:25 |
| anteaya | okay well if it is just jeblair and fungi this friday I'm around to do what I can to help | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i mean, we might decide to call it quits by 2200 on the 19th anyway | 19:25 |
| ttx | jeblair: I plan to start doing things on the Thursday fwiw | 19:25 |
| fungi | i think we've gotten the project renames sufficiently streamlined that we can manage it with just two people in a reasonable amount of time | 19:26 |
| jeblair | fungi: yup | 19:26 |
| ttx | but yeah, I definitely won't be around anymore at 2200 utc | 19:26 |
| jeblair | ttx: good plan :) | 19:26 |
| jeblair | let's go ahead and do this friday, the 12th, at 2200 and we'll see what happens with mordred and his playbook | 19:27 |
| mordred | sounds like a children's book | 19:27 |
| jeblair | (i think we would love for either or both to show up, as they are able) | 19:27 |
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| anteaya | mordred: like where the wild things are | 19:27 |
| jeblair | fungi: sound good ^ ? | 19:27 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #agreed project renames friday june 12 at 2200 utc | 19:28 |
| jeblair | i'll send the announcement | 19:28 |
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| pleia2 | I'll try to pop in if my husband is recovering ok, but no promises :) | 19:28 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thanks | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send announcement for project renames friday june 12 at 2200 utc | 19:28 |
| anteaya | pleia2: hope things go well for him | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks | 19:28 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet) | 19:29 |
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| asselin | hi, I sent an e-mail about the proposed virtual sprint for common-ci | 19:29 |
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| yolanda | i started work on nodepool.conf either on puppet module, and in nodepool itself | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #info Virtual Sprint scheduled: Wednesday July 8 1600 UTC Sprint will run for 48 hours | 19:30 |
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| nibalizer | woot | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#OpenStack_Common-CI_Solution | 19:30 |
| asselin | no objections stated, so we should be good witht he date time agreed in the last meeting | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | turns out I will be around for that (other engagement has been postponed), anteaya you too? | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | beaker-rspec tests are comming | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: yes I expect to be available | 19:30 |
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| nibalizer | they're almost in place for openstackci and then I will fungi them out to all the other modules | 19:30 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: which will land first, the spec or the tests? :) | 19:30 |
| anteaya | yes do fungi them out | 19:30 |
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| * fungi has just been mordreding, fwiw | 19:31 | |
| anteaya | fungi: eating the neighbour's yards? | 19:31 |
| jeblair | anteaya: drinking | 19:31 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: dunno | 19:31 |
| * mordred hands fungi a mostly unused implement | 19:31 | |
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| fungi | well, i meant following in the tradition of scripting mass change batches of mostly trivial/repetitive stuff | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | we talked a bit with pabelanger and pleia2, testing will focus on infra's use case i.e. ubuntu but our friends who use centos are welcome to add support and testing to the modules for that | 19:32 |
| fungi | but drinking too, yes | 19:32 |
| cody-somerville | :] | 19:32 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: sounds good | 19:32 |
| jeblair | tests help make that kind of support viable | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | (it has not been in the past, we will just instabreak things) | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer, jeblair Yup, I can help out where ever possible. | 19:33 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:33 |
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| nibalizer | thats all I got | 19:33 |
| jeblair | cool, thanks | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | excited for the sprint | 19:34 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:34 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, saw you unlocked a pair of my changes, cool | 19:34 |
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| yolanda | i just did a quick rebase but i need to look carefully | 19:34 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yeah, the blocking change merged a long time ago, i just missed those, sorry | 19:34 |
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| yolanda | no problem | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | I wanted to know if creating a spec for grafana was worth while. Outside the CI dashboard spec that is going on now | 19:35 |
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| asselin | ci dashboard spec might get abandoned.... | 19:35 |
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| pabelanger | since a few people, nibalizer, timrc are doing stuff downstream with it | 19:36 |
| pabelanger | asselin, I didn't know that | 19:36 |
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| timrc | What would the grafana spec include? | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | pabelanger: eh, i think getting a grafana up and having it driven by git might be enough | 19:36 |
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| timrc | One of the things I really want are more data points. I think we need a spec for data gathering and analysis in general :) | 19:36 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think with the current scope of "run grafana, use grafyaml to translate static yaml files to grafana configs" probably doesn't need a spec unless you want to. if it gets any more complicated than that, we probably should. | 19:37 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: look at the logs for monday's third party meeting | 19:37 |
| asselin | pabelanger, take a look at the latest comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 19:37 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: it provides some context | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | timrc, mostly just importing it into -infra, a server that runs it and allows people to setup graph points | 19:37 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair, Ya, that is what I was mostly asking. If a spec was required, then I'd do it. But if we just wanted to stand up a server and run grafyaml, then that is good too | 19:38 |
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| asselin | an alternative working solution is being proposed. Perhaps the spec will be to just use this: http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24 | 19:38 |
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| timrc | I'm ambivalent on a spec. A spec would maybe open the floor for more ideas from other people that maybe haven't listened in on the conversations we've had on #openstack-infra. | 19:38 |
| asselin | pabelanger, currently hosted here: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools/ | 19:38 |
| fungi | pabelanger: i think we've been leaning toward specs for any implementation requiring new servers, but stuff running on existing servers without substantial new complexity seems fair game for no spec | 19:38 |
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| pabelanger | okay, so no spec. I'm cool with that. I'll focus on the puppet-grafana module this week and ping people for reviews | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | while will be timrc and nibalizer :) | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | which* | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | :P | 19:40 |
| timrc | pabelanger, Awesome. We already have grafana deployed in HP so if you need any assistance there, I'd be happy to help. | 19:40 |
| timrc | pabelanger, Also did you solve automating datasources and orgs? | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | The only other thing I had was around SteveK's packaging work. Anybody work local with him, or contact. I've tried pinging him a few times, but nothing back | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | timrc, nothing official yet, that's the last piece for me | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | pabelanger: he's in .au, so ping in US night are best | 19:41 |
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| timrc | pabelanger, I'll take this offline... there are some other gotchas I stumbled across when deploying this into HP :) | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | pleia2, okay, perhaps a ML post is better. | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | pabelanger: he also does respond to email, which I resort to sometimes when I don't want to stay late | 19:41 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:41 | |
| pabelanger | was mostly looking for an update from him, to help get the infra packaging going again | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | since I have some spare cycles to work on it | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | timrc, roger | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | cool | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | That is all from me | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | anteaya, asselin: whatever comes out of the third-party ci dashboard area, we should have a spec for it; even if it's "run patrick's thing" | 19:43 |
| anteaya | jeblair: understood | 19:44 |
| asselin | jeblair, ok | 19:44 |
| anteaya | asselin: are we able to create that spec yet? | 19:44 |
| anteaya | asselin: I can work on it with you if you wish | 19:44 |
| asselin | anteaya, ok let's discuss offline | 19:44 |
| anteaya | asselin: okay | 19:44 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, mordred: is there a packaging spec yet? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | ah | 19:45 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/179713 | 19:45 |
| mordred | yah | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | ya | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | that is the one I was referring too | 19:46 |
| jeblair | ok, so that's where the conversation is | 19:46 |
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| mordred | I should respond to zigo | 19:46 |
| jeblair | anyone have anything els? | 19:46 |
| mordred | I think there is a difference between "to bypass distros" and "that need to exist sometimes because of the operational need to have a package that is not currently in the distros" | 19:47 |
| mordred | it's a difference of intent | 19:47 |
| mordred | not of substance | 19:47 |
| jeblair | yeah 'bypass' doesn't really cover that subtlety | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | okay, we can let the tc get started early! | 19:48 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:48 |
| zaro | mordred: iirc you said you were working on spec for testing gerrit upgrades? | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | to be continued in infra channel ^ | 19:50 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 19:50:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-06-09-19.01.html | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-06-09-19.01.txt | 19:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-06-09-19.01.log.html | 19:50 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| j^2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | russellb, jgriffith, annegentle, lifeless, flaper87, dtroyer, markmcclain, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann: around ? | 20:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| annegentle | around | 20:00 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 20:00 |
| russellb | <3 coutesy ping | 20:00 |
| russellb | courtesy too | 20:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 20:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Live from Berlin, our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| krotscheck | \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ | 20:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:01 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec final approval: Supported messaging drivers policy | 20:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174105/ | 20:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | I feel like this one reached consensus state and is as rady as it will ever be | 20:02 |
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| * flaper87 thinks that review is good to go | 20:02 | |
| ttx | ready, even | 20:02 |
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| * flaper87 likes rady better | 20:02 | |
| lifeless | ttx: o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | If no objection I'll push final approval in-meeting | 20:02 |
| lifeless | ttx: just finishing brekkie w/family so a little distracted :/ | 20:02 |
| russellb | is the end result "only the rabbit/kombu driver currently meets expectations" ? | 20:02 |
| russellb | fine with me, just curious | 20:02 |
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| sdague | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: around? | 20:03 |
| * sigmavirus24 agrees with flaper87, rady is better | 20:03 | |
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| zaneb | russellb: that was my impression | 20:03 |
| ttx | Personally I hope that this will make the people who care about certain other drivers to step up | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: it has already | 20:04 |
| ttx | not that it will make us drop anything | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | I've seen movement in other drivers | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | and that's why I'm happy with this spec | 20:04 |
| russellb | i think we can drop the old qpid one | 20:04 |
| russellb | :) | 20:04 |
| krotscheck | SpamapS is at a conference, he _might_ bea round | 20:04 |
| ttx | flaper87: including the zmq one ? | 20:04 |
| krotscheck | But I didn't see him carrying around a laptop | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | russellb: that's in the works | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yes | 20:04 |
| russellb | cool | 20:04 |
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| ttx | flaper87: ok, missed that, nice | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | iiuc, the current qpid driver would be deprecated and other drivers would need to be brought up to standard | 20:04 |
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| russellb | wfm | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yes, that's the conclusion | 20:05 |
| ttx | Any objection to me pushing the final +1 now ? | 20:05 |
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| sdague | it is worth noting that it's not just solid driver code that's needed, having the user community has been pretty critical to addressing real issues in the rabbit support. So it will be interesting to see if other backends build a real user community. | 20:05 |
| ttx | I guess we could use a 7th TC vote on it | 20:05 |
| annegentle | ttx: I just voted +2 | 20:06 |
| ttx | mordred: care to convert your +1 in a +2? | 20:06 |
| sdague | mordred has a +1 on there | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | sdague:plus, provide the required support when issue will come up | 20:06 |
| markmcclain | makes sense to approve | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | (because they will) | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | ttx: done | 20:06 |
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| mordred | one sec | 20:06 |
| annegentle | Is the timeline "Liberty release" for docs updates? | 20:06 |
| ttx | alright, I guess that's more than enough | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | I had some nit comments but I thought they weren't blockers, hence my vote | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: yes, I think the intent is to mark that qpid driver as deprecated this cycle | 20:07 |
| ttx | ok, approved | 20:07 |
| jaypipes | I guess I am a little confused why the TC is handling this... | 20:07 |
| * flaper87 will deprecate that driver himself | 20:07 | |
| annegentle | dhellmann: got it, thanks. I'll pass along to loquacities | 20:07 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: we are just judging if consensus is reached | 20:07 |
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| russellb | jaypipes: i guessed because of the broad impact it has (why it's cross-project and not just an oslo thing) | 20:08 |
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| russellb | fundamental piece of the infrastructure | 20:08 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec final approval: CORS Support for OpenStack | 20:08 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179866/ | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | to be fair, the original proposal was: Lets drop everything but kombu | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | which is why it ended up as a cross-project thing | 20:08 |
| russellb | herrh | 20:08 |
| jaypipes | well, yeah, I know that, but are we planning on doing this for databases and other stuff that is "funsdamental"? | 20:08 |
| krotscheck | hi hi! | 20:09 |
| ttx | This one also has pretty wide approval now, so I'd like to move and final-approve it | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | jaypipes: we're erring on the side of more communication | 20:09 |
| ttx | fun-damental | 20:09 |
| ttx | unless somone thinks we need to hold it more | 20:09 |
| ttx | or someone | 20:09 |
| markmcclain | lifeless was +1 on it | 20:09 |
| krotscheck | For the sake of the CORS specification, I'd be happy to do followup patches if particular points need to be tweaked. | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | so we'd have 7 +2s if he upgrades | 20:10 |
| ttx | we already have more than we need | 20:10 |
| ttx | the question is more... do we think this needs any more baking time | 20:10 |
| ttx | I personally do not think that it does | 20:10 |
| sdague | no, I think the CORS stuff looks fine to move forward | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | sdague: +1 | 20:11 |
| lifeless | I'd really been hoping krotscheck would push some tweaks | 20:11 |
| sdague | there will be devils in details, but honestly, that won't be sorted until there is more core | 20:11 |
| sdague | code | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: is that -1? | 20:11 |
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| krotscheck | lifeless: Convention travel + linting arguments prevented that. | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | I wasn't exactly sure why the proxy option wasn't viable, but don't have any real problem with the patch | 20:11 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: I don't think its worth blocking it on. I think it would be better with my suggestions, and AIUI krotscheck isn't oppposed to them. | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: ok, that sounds like an update patch | 20:12 |
| krotscheck | lifeless: I can push a followup tweak easily enough, as I don't really have a problem with your suggestions. They just clarify things. | 20:12 |
| sdague | yeh, I'd just handle that as an update patch | 20:12 |
| sdague | and, honestly, I'd expect that once real code is out there, a few other details will fall out | 20:13 |
| ttx | lifeless: if you +2 (pointing to an upcoming follow-up patch, I will final-approve it now | 20:13 |
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| lifeless | ttx: I don't know what that subordinate clause means | 20:13 |
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| lifeless | ttx: do you mean wait for the subequent patcha nd +2 | 20:13 |
| lifeless | ttx: or do you mean +2 on the basis of this conversation alone? | 20:13 |
| ttx | lifeless: the latter | 20:14 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:14 |
| lifeless | done | 20:14 |
| ttx | Alright, let's do this | 20:14 |
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| * krotscheck does a little specification dance. | 20:14 | |
| ttx | done | 20:15 |
| krotscheck | One semi related question. | 20:15 |
| ttx | krotscheck: yes? | 20:15 |
| krotscheck | I'm doing a LOT of things right now to do javascript supporting things in Openstack, and I do _not_ want to be the only person who has that knowledge. Where can I document the things that I'm doing? | 20:16 |
| krotscheck | Like, dev guide for linting. Or how to configure cors. How caching works. That kind of stuff. | 20:16 |
| * krotscheck should probably just pull annegentle aside offline | 20:16 | |
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| annegentle | sure | 20:16 |
| annegentle | or loquacities the docs ptl :) | 20:16 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: cross-project specs? | 20:17 |
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| krotscheck | Alrighety, that's enough of an answer :) | 20:17 |
| ttx | ok moving on | 20:17 |
| krotscheck | I'm good, going to go do lifeless 's changes. | 20:17 |
| ttx | #topic Discuss differences between Ops and TC "tags" | 20:17 |
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| jgriffith | krotscheck: the infra and qa folks have been doing some really good stuff with documenting things... might be worth looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/subunit2sql/README.html | 20:17 |
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| jgriffith | krotscheck: in conjunctions with docs folks of course | 20:17 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2015-June/000991.html | 20:18 |
| ttx | OK, so this was prompted by the recent proposals from the Ops "Tags" WG | 20:18 |
| ttx | When I attended the second part of the workgroup in Vancouver I was under the impression they were onto something that would work well within the framework we created | 20:18 |
| ttx | So I felt like it was great that they would run with the concept and own the "ops feedback" part of it | 20:18 |
| ttx | But looking at the recent proposals it's pretty obvious they are onto something slightly different that would not fit that well into the tag framework we have | 20:18 |
| ttx | Basically they want to provide structured documentation about projects around areas like packaging, production usage etc. | 20:18 |
| jaypipes | ttx: yes, entirely different :( | 20:18 |
| ttx | So they are more defining a grammar to express that information in YAML, rather than simple binary tags that can be attached to projects. | 20:19 |
| ttx | I still think it's important and valuable information for them to communicate, but I don't think we should call both "tags" or have them live under the same roof. | 20:19 |
| ttx | In the email referenced above I mention 3 possible solutions | 20:19 |
| mordred | I agree. although I do not actually want to have the discussion about the right name | 20:19 |
| anteaya | is there anyone from the ops tags group here right now? | 20:19 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: they are also setting themselves up for failure, IMHO, and a situation where the data will be almost immediately stale and worse than in the openstack.org wiki. | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | I was quite surprised, by reading ttx's email, that they're planning to score in some of those areas | 20:19 |
| ttx | 1/ We can try to convince them to make their areas more like tags | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | Surprised in the sense that I'm curious how they are going to do it | 20:20 |
| ttx | but they don't see really interested in doing that | 20:20 |
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| ttx | 2/ We can overhaul *our* tags so that they look more like their areas | 20:20 |
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| ttx | but I still think having simple tags is an easier-to-consume piece of information to attach to all the projects we have | 20:20 |
| ttx | (makes creating a website to navigate those so much simpler) | 20:20 |
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| annegentle | wow on "worse than in the openstack.org wiki" jaypipes :) | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: yes. exactly. a tag means something clear and concise. | 20:20 |
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| ttx | 3/ We can let them coexist (TC provides tags, Ops provide ops-data) but stop calling them the same, because that's confusing. | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | I prefer option 3, lets let them experiment and we can sync on the different approaches | 20:20 |
| jeblair | ttx: is your followup to 1/ based on subsequent conversation, or just the initial "oh, look they have a thing and it's not our tags"? | 20:20 |
| ttx | I think I have a slight preference for #3 since we could totally rely on ops-data to "objectively" apply some tags | 20:20 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: meaning the wiki can very easily get stale info, like any wiki... | 20:20 |
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| flaper87 | we might end up changing (or they will end up changing) | 20:21 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: yep | 20:21 |
| annegentle | I think we need to let both approaches run for a bit. | 20:21 |
| annegentle | So option 3 lets that happen. | 20:21 |
| ttx | jeblair: from my intersaction with the group (on the ML, and direct discussions with Tom) it appears they are pretty attached to the way they want to do it | 20:21 |
| jeblair | ttx: (you said they are not interested; are they still not interested after having been made aware of the mismatch?) | 20:21 |
| anteaya | I think that in absence of any reps from the ops tags committee that the tc can't really decide what they should do, only what the tc should do | 20:21 |
| zaneb | what ops want is not so much tags as more targeted analytics data (extension to bitergia/stackalytics) by the sounds of it | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | But +1 for using different terms | 20:21 |
| jeblair | ttx: ok, thanks | 20:21 |
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| lifeless | I have a strong preference to 3 | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | it'd be *really* confusing to have both called tags | 20:21 |
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| lifeless | 2 doesn't really work for us | 20:21 |
| sdague | yeh, that's my lean is towards #3 at this point, and see where it heads | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | zaneb: that was my impression as well | 20:22 |
| jeblair | #3 | 20:22 |
| russellb | +1 to #3 and revisit over time as things evolve | 20:22 |
| lifeless | and 1/ - smart folk in that group feel like it works for them; we're out of context at the moment and I think there are more important tings to focus on | 20:22 |
| russellb | see how it goes | 20:22 |
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| russellb | get out of their way ;) | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | #3 | 20:22 |
| jeblair | yep. and 2 means we get further behind. | 20:22 |
| sdague | because at the end of the day this whole exercise was about getting information to users, and they've defined the information they want, lets see if a model for producing it and keeping it up to date emerges | 20:22 |
| ttx | The WG will gather on IRC next Thursday and I'd like to know what to tell them -- looks like ishouldtell them to do what they want but call it something else to avoid global confusion | 20:22 |
| jaypipes | I prefer 1/ really, but I'm more than happy to let their current strategy fail and then revisit. | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: how much confusion do you think it really raises to call both "tags"? and how likely are we to get them to change the name of their thing? | 20:22 |
| annegentle | I'd like for this ops group to be a working group for running with the ideas for "measures for maturity" | 20:22 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I know every time we said "we could call both things the same" we ended up regretting it down the road | 20:23 |
| ttx | when it's too late to change | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: true | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ++ | 20:23 |
| lifeless | jaypipes: I think its entirely fine if you have the bandwidth to engage with them; but I don't think the TC movement forward should depend on aligning | 20:23 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:23 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: could be worse, their grammar could be xml | 20:23 |
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| jaypipes | lifeless: why you calling *me* out specifically? | 20:24 |
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| lifeless | because you're specifically saying you think they'll fail | 20:24 |
| sdague | well, unless someone comes up with something more catchy than "ops tags" it's going to be what sticks | 20:24 |
| lifeless | I don't have an opinion on whether their approach will fail or not | 20:24 |
| lifeless | as yet | 20:24 |
| jaypipes | lifeless: I have *already* engaged with them. and their answer has been "f off, we'll do it our way". | 20:24 |
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| lifeless | jaypipes: haha, so that makes 1 a no-go anyhow :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | sdague: "ops metrics?" | 20:24 |
| mordred | they could call their tags "tenants" | 20:25 |
| sdague | or policy | 20:25 |
| mordred | or maybe "projects" | 20:25 |
| ttx | well, i won't cmoe up wit a name, just pointing out that tags is not the best word to describe what they are up to. Also that they shouldn't feel constrained to use our format there | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | categories ? | 20:25 |
| zaneb | rofl | 20:25 |
| jeblair | mordred: ;) | 20:25 |
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| edleafe | zones | 20:25 |
| lifeless | flaper87: ops monoids? | 20:25 |
| russellb | metadata, catalog | 20:25 |
| mordred | edleafe: domains | 20:25 |
| russellb | so many choices of things that already have uses | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | lifeless: lol | 20:25 |
| * jaypipes looks forward to the ops:packaged:centos:call-me-maybe:ok-with-cern-this-week "tag" | 20:25 | |
| dtroyer | hopefully something similar to 'ops' can be incorporated to help distinguish the different sources | 20:25 |
| russellb | this bike shed is about to fall over from too much paint | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 20:25 |
| mordred | jaypipes: dude. that's an AWESOME tag | 20:25 |
| lifeless | I want it cerulean | 20:26 |
| sdague | russellb: heh | 20:26 |
| mordred | russellb: maybe we can paint the paint a different color | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | jaypipes: LOL | 20:26 |
| dtroyer | just a bare word doesn't help the reader know what they are looking at. that probably applies to 'tags' too | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | mordred: I vote black | 20:26 |
| jgriffith | noops-tag | 20:26 |
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| mordred | flaper87: which shade? | 20:26 |
| lifeless | ops-ribs | 20:26 |
| ttx | OK, I think I have what I need here | 20:26 |
| mordred | lifeless: YES | 20:26 |
| jaypipes | look, there's nothing wrong with structured information. but like I said in the reviews on the ops tags repo, that's what I like to call "documentation". | 20:26 |
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| jeblair | ttx: and plenty of 'helpful' suggestions | 20:26 |
| lifeless | [if you figure out how my brain went there, you get a cider in tokyo] | 20:26 |
| ttx | we can move on, unless you want to further paint the yak | 20:26 |
| anteaya | dtroyer: you make a good point | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | mordred: dark, deep, obscure and evil | 20:26 |
| russellb | "ops project catalog" | 20:27 |
| * russellb shrugs | 20:27 | |
| * flaper87 gets his mind back on the meeting | 20:27 | |
| ttx | #topic Add the Searchlight Project | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | +1 | 20:27 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/188014 | 20:27 |
| ttx | Looks like most people like it | 20:27 |
| ttx | Looks more like a split than a new thing to me | 20:27 |
| jeblair | ttx: agreed on both | 20:28 |
| ttx | and since it's not exactly the same team, we can definitely have a new "project team" for it | 20:28 |
| TravT | basically we think this improves focus on the search concept as a well defined service while also un-complicating some of the glance story. | 20:28 |
| sdague | yeh, the team doing it has something pretty solid already. Their initial design already had a separate end point | 20:28 |
| ttx | since now we can | 20:28 |
| jaypipes | no brainer, IMO. | 20:28 |
| sdague | it was basically pushed into glance because of old governance, but definitely best on it's own | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | Agreed, plus, the demo itself was quite isolated already | 20:28 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | ttx: go go go go | 20:28 |
| * ttx checks votes | 20:29 | |
| ttx | alright, more than enough here | 20:29 |
| russellb | maybe it should be SearchLight instead of Searchlight | 20:29 |
| russellb | (kidding..) | 20:29 |
| ttx | last call for objections | 20:29 |
| annegentle | russellb: groan :) | 20:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | russellb: don't do that | 20:29 |
| * sdague hits russellb with a hallibut | 20:29 | |
| kragniz | russellb: pls no | 20:29 |
| * dhellmann puts down the club he was swinging at russellb | 20:29 | |
| russellb | lolol. | 20:29 |
| TravT | lol | 20:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | rassellb plz | 20:29 |
| jgriffith | actually I think russellb has a point... | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | just kidding | 20:30 |
| ttx | Greenlight? | 20:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | ಠ_ಠ | 20:30 |
| ttx | approved | 20:30 |
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| kragniz | woo! | 20:30 |
| TravT | :) | 20:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | ლ(╹◡╹ლ) | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | congrats to the Searchlight team! | 20:30 |
| lakshmiS | great! | 20:30 |
| russellb | thanks for coming to the meeting in case there was more discussion needed, team :) | 20:30 |
| ttx | Though I wonder what animal mascot a Searchlight can have but that's for another day | 20:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | ttx: eye of sauron | 20:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 20:30 |
| russellb | lol! | 20:31 |
| rosmaita | one of those deep water fish | 20:31 |
| sjmc7 | :-) | 20:31 |
| russellb | that's amazing | 20:31 |
| TravT | i do hope we get a patch next summit... | 20:31 |
| kragniz | TravT: we'd better | 20:31 |
| * TravT still feeling unhappy that horizon didn't have one | 20:31 | |
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| russellb | searchlight spelunkers | 20:31 |
| lifeless | an eye of sauron ? | 20:31 |
| annegentle | rosmaita: ha! | 20:31 |
| mordred | lifeless: sigmavirus24 beat you to that | 20:31 |
| ttx | Alright, this is moving faster than I thought | 20:31 |
| ttx | #topic Workgroup reports | 20:31 |
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| lifeless | mordred: no, not w.r.t. horizon | 20:31 |
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| ttx | * Project Team Guide | 20:31 |
| lifeless | mordred: it was deliberate | 20:31 |
| ttx | We have a repository initial commit at https://review.openstack.org/189514 | 20:32 |
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| ttx | jeblair: what's the current make up for the core team there ? | 20:32 |
| jeblair | i helped! | 20:32 |
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| jeblair | ttx: apparently you can +2... | 20:32 |
| * jeblair stalls for time | 20:32 | |
| ttx | yeah, but if i'm te only one I guess I should not wait for another | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I can +2 | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | done | 20:32 |
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| flaper87 | approved | 20:32 |
| jeblair | ttx: oh, it's the tc | 20:33 |
| ttx | tc | 20:33 |
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| ttx | yep | 20:33 |
| sdague | ttx: what's the approval rules expected there? normal core rules, or something more complicated? | 20:33 |
| ttx | let's do a simple 2 +2s though, not a majority vote :) | 20:33 |
| sdague | I'm fine with that | 20:33 |
| ttx | it's doc | 20:33 |
| sdague | anything contentious can come back to the meeting for a fight | 20:33 |
| ttx | we migt actually refine that to the group of people actually working on it | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:33 |
| jeblair | i also plan on doing a little more work before the sprint. i will add files for each of the sections based on the preliminary toc so that we can paralellize and avoid some conflicts. | 20:34 |
| ttx | but I'm fine with tc for starters, that might encourage others to join | 20:34 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I assumed it was like that | 20:34 |
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| ttx | jeblair: that would be very helpful yes | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | ttx: as in, the group of folks that raised their hands 3 weeks ago | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | (or was it 4) | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:34 |
| ttx | flaper87: the list is on the etherpad | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-team-guide | 20:35 |
| jeblair | i'll go ahead and update the gerrit acl to a new group then so we can change it easier | 20:35 |
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| ttx | I planned to write stuff on planes this week but ended up discussing battery life with morganfainberg | 20:35 |
| ttx | * Communicatoins workgroup | 20:35 |
| ttx | annegentle: flaper87: ? | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/06/technical-committee-highlights-june-5-2015/ | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | That's the last report we published | 20:35 |
| annegentle | posted! | 20:36 |
| annegentle | tweet it y'all! | 20:36 |
| annegentle | ttx: squandering airplane wifi | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | I wonder if enough people have been getting it (I guess we ask this question every week) | 20:36 |
| ttx | annegentle: flaper87: did you get any feedback ? Like from people apprecating you doing this ? | 20:36 |
| ttx | +i | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | ttx: the first week we did and it was good | 20:36 |
| annegentle | ttx: not really, but we have lately been coinciding accidentally with the Weekly round up | 20:36 |
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| flaper87 | but I haven't heard much lately | 20:37 |
| annegentle | so we might try publishing Wednesdays? I dunno. | 20:37 |
| anteaya | flaper87: where/how was this appreciation conveyed? | 20:37 |
| ttx | I fear it's one of those things people complain about when it's not there, but won't exactly cheer when it is | 20:37 |
| anteaya | ttx: I sense the same | 20:37 |
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| annegentle | heh that's fine, I'm used to that :) | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | anteaya: IRC, email and twitter | 20:37 |
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| flaper87 | but again | 20:38 |
| anteaya | flaper87: any links? I missed the email appreciation apparently | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | there wasn't much and it was just the first day | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | anteaya: it might have been just IRC and twitter. I'll try to find logs and emails | 20:38 |
| annegentle | timing note: we'd need to publish Wed. if we want a link in Friday's weekly newsletter | 20:38 |
| * flaper87 has a very bad memory | 20:38 | |
| ttx | ok, anything else on the communications wg ? | 20:39 |
| annegentle | think we can wait til next Wed. to do another post? | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: +1 | 20:39 |
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| ttx | I think it's fine yes | 20:39 |
| anteaya | flaper87: thank you | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | maybe a simple email to announce Searchlight's status change? | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: can TravT do that? I think it'd be great if he presents the project too | 20:40 |
| ttx | maybe can be the co-PTLs there self-congratulating | 20:40 |
| anteaya | I like the idea of training folks who want this info to find it in one place, not scattered | 20:40 |
| anteaya | since I believe scattered was one of the complaints | 20:40 |
| ttx | and then mention it in next week edition | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | flaper87, ttx: that works for me | 20:40 |
| TravT | flaper87: what? | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | anteaya: we can have one "official" place and let the rest of the folks share as they want | 20:40 |
| TravT | just trying to figure out why the gate job failed... | 20:41 |
| ttx | TravT: send email to list saying you got accepted | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | TravT: ^ | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | TravT: where you == SearchLight | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:41 |
| anteaya | flaper87: yes, as long as they can track from the "offical" place | 20:41 |
| TravT | i can do that, but also would be pretty happy if it came from any of you. :) | 20:41 |
| annegentle | anteaya: I think regularity is fine to set expectations for "where" in addition to "when" | 20:41 |
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| jeblair | oh, i think there's an oslosphinx problem right now, we may need to reapprove some changes | 20:41 |
| ttx | * Other workgroups | 20:41 |
| jeblair | TravT, ttx: ^ | 20:41 |
| ttx | ANy other workgroup naturally emerging from chaos while I was looking the other way ? | 20:42 |
| anteaya | annegentle: as you see fit, but I do think discoverablity was an issue | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | jeblair, TravT : I think they decided that was actually a pbr issue and lifeless was working on a new release? | 20:42 |
| lifeless | it was and we are | 20:42 |
| TravT | ok. good. | 20:42 |
| annegentle | anteaya: yeah I do agree | 20:42 |
| ttx | no progress on the scuba team yes ? | 20:42 |
| ttx | yet* | 20:42 |
| TravT | dhellmann also are you who we talk to about pulling the repo in? | 20:42 |
| TravT | we've been working on splitting it out from glance as-is in the following repo: #link https://github.com/lakshmisampath/searchlight/ | 20:42 |
| lifeless | its just hit gate jobs | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | TravT: I can help you get set up for that, but the infra team does the real work | 20:42 |
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| TravT | i'd like to get it back under gerrit... | 20:43 |
| * ttx blames that guy in the bavarian costume and his damn beer | 20:43 | |
| dhellmann | TravT: drop by #openstack-relmgr-office | 20:43 |
| anteaya | ttx: bavarians have nice hats | 20:43 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: not yet.... need to schedule set time with lifeless to start work on it | 20:44 |
| russellb | i'm pretty sure the import process is documented .. | 20:44 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ack | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | russellb: it is, but I don't mind helping out | 20:44 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | ack yah | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | mea culpa | 20:44 |
| ttx | I pushed an agenda for rotating the chair of the cross-project meeting: | 20:44 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting#Chair_rotation | 20:44 |
| lifeless | I want to get the requirements thing really moving before focusing on arch | 20:44 |
| russellb | TravT: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 20:45 |
| ttx | We'll include volunteer PTLs in the rotation, but wanted to give a chance to TC members to take their slot before | 20:45 |
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| ttx | This week's meeting will be chaired by Mark, anyone interested in leading next week's ? | 20:45 |
| lifeless | since reducing debt is what thats all about | 20:45 |
| ttx | just edit the wiki if you are | 20:45 |
| TravT | russellb: thanks. | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: ++ | 20:45 |
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| ttx | having a few weeks advance on that rotation would be nice | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | I can't the next two weeks, sorry, guess I could then volunteer for last week of June or something | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | with all of those people to choose from, we shouldn't have to repeat being chair | 20:46 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: right, I prefer to be ready to sub in case of last-minute issues ,rather than put myself on the rotation again | 20:47 |
| markmcclain | ttx: I think that makes sense | 20:47 |
| ttx | annegentle: feel free to insert your name at a later point | 20:47 |
| annegentle | I'm taking June 30th! You can't have it! :) | 20:47 |
| ttx | not everyone at the same time | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right | 20:48 |
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| ttx | mordred: The dates on the M naming poll mentioned opening of the poll on Jun 8, so I guess we shouldn't delay that a lot more | 20:48 |
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| ttx | I suspect you might want to finalize that before you board your next plane | 20:48 |
| mordred | yup | 20:48 |
| mordred | working on it now | 20:48 |
| mordred | the japanese openstack user group is helping to validate the current list | 20:48 |
| ttx | the japanese community did a.. pretty nice job vetting the names for us | 20:49 |
| mordred | because, you know, it's nice to have friendly help | 20:49 |
| mordred | yah | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | nice | 20:49 |
| mordred | they're AMAZING | 20:49 |
| ttx | it's like the first time the locals just take over the process | 20:49 |
| mordred | Ive also asked fungi for the email list so I can set up the polls | 20:49 |
| mordred | so as soon as I have that, I'l get the election under way | 20:49 |
| fungi | yep, i'm trying to wrangle those now | 20:49 |
| ttx | Also, *lots* of great names this time | 20:49 |
| mordred | yah | 20:50 |
| mordred | the list is pretty amazing | 20:50 |
| mordred | so I am not going to propose any of the non-valid names to the TC for override | 20:50 |
| mordred | even though there are several good ones in that list too | 20:50 |
| ttx | mordred: +1 | 20:50 |
| jeblair | honestly, i'm excited about using condorcet on a list like that | 20:50 |
| mordred | yah | 20:50 |
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| flaper87 | jeblair: it kinda makes it worth it :D | 20:50 |
| mordred | also with an electorate the size of the entire foundation membership | 20:51 |
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| fungi | you'll definitely need to split it a bunch of times to feed it into civs | 20:51 |
| ttx | mordred: you'll see there is a bit of unfun with more than 1000 voters in CIVS | 20:51 |
| fungi | i think they limit batches to 1k addresses | 20:51 |
| fungi | yeah, that | 20:51 |
| anteaya | yes | 20:51 |
| mordred | meh. I can handle it | 20:52 |
| ttx | and then you have to just pray they won't all vote at the same time | 20:52 |
| mordred | so - quick question | 20:52 |
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| anteaya | first 20 minutes | 20:52 |
| ttx | mordred: you have 8 min | 20:52 |
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| fungi | worst case i'll scrape addresses from the foundation member db via an ugly join query | 20:52 |
| lifeless | "quick" | 20:53 |
| mordred | CIVS has an option for a public poll where you just have a link and you can vote, and it does ip address matching for uniqueness | 20:53 |
| mordred | this isn't really a poll likely for gaming and wants inclusivity | 20:53 |
| markmcclain | fungi: do I get to vote this time or does CIVS still have archaic domain restrictions? | 20:53 |
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| mordred | perhaps we should just make one of those and post the link to the mailing list/twitters ? | 20:53 |
| jeblair | mordred: that's neat; and it's pretty close to what we used to do. maybe we should think about it next time (especially if this time is difficult), but stick with emails for this go-around? | 20:53 |
| edleafe | won't ip uniqueness be a problem for people at the same work location? | 20:53 |
| mordred | markmcclain: what are your domain problems? | 20:53 |
| fungi | markmcclain: no clue, honestly. starting to wonder if we should just host a civs instance ourselves | 20:53 |
| ttx | mordred: IP matching makes some corporate blocks unable to vote more than once though | 20:53 |
| mordred | edleafe, ttx: good point | 20:54 |
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| lifeless | use your phone to vote | 20:54 |
| markmcclain | mordred: CIVS barfed on .xyz domain during the last elections.. need .com, .net, etc | 20:54 |
| ttx | mordred: surveymonkey did IP+Browser cookie, which is slightly better | 20:54 |
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| mordred | markmcclain: hah | 20:54 |
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| fungi | mordred: civs doesn't believe some tlds created after, like, y2k, really exist | 20:54 |
| mordred | fungi: neither do I | 20:54 |
| fungi | hah | 20:55 |
| russellb | all those new tlds can get off my lawn | 20:55 |
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| ttx | (as an aside, the "starting point around Nova" came up again in discussions at the OpenStack CEE day. It's like a question people actually have, not something we dreamt up) | 20:55 |
| mordred | k. well, well do emails this time but maybe investigate open polls next time | 20:55 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: as long as you can vote with your arpanet address as a backup | 20:55 |
| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: haha | 20:55 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:55 |
| annegentle | ttx: heh yeup | 20:55 |
| annegentle | yep even | 20:55 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:56 |
| * dhellmann thinks annegentle's texas accent is getting thicker | 20:56 | |
| johnthetubaguy | whats is "starting point around Nova" ? | 20:56 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: oh noes | 20:56 |
| * russellb out next week | 20:56 | |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: a tag describing the minimal set of projects you need to deliver a minimal compute capability | 20:56 |
| * annegentle says "I am from OHIO and stamps foot." | 20:56 | |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ah, cool, thanks | 20:57 |
| ttx | also known as the needle in the haystack | 20:57 |
| * annegentle also out next week | 20:57 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | theres probably three correct answers there, but yes | 20:57 |
| dougwig | only three? | 20:57 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: my guess is that they want an answer. Not necessarily The answer | 20:57 |
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| russellb | starting point, not end point | 20:57 |
| ttx | but that's discussion for next week | 20:58 |
| jeblair | last time we talked about this, we narrowed it to two answers, so that's pretty good. | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: seems a fair request, but yeah | 20:58 |
| anteaya | like when you start piano you start with twinkle twinkle little star | 20:58 |
| russellb | mary had a little lamb | 20:58 |
| ttx | al-righty. Let's close this | 20:58 |
| mordred | jeblair: actually, I think sdague and I finally understand we were talking about two different things | 20:58 |
| mordred | so I'm on board with sdague's definition of that now | 20:58 |
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| jeblair | mordred: still sounds like two answers :) | 20:58 |
| russellb | thanks, ttx | 20:58 |
| anteaya | russellb: that works too | 20:58 |
| ttx | Thanks for coming! | 20:59 |
| mordred | he was answering that question - my competing answer is answering a diffrent question | 20:59 |
| ttx | and see you next week obviously | 20:59 |
| sdague | yeh, I need to massively refresh that document after a bunch of conversations that were had | 20:59 |
| ttx | sdague: you think you can do it for next week meeting ? | 20:59 |
| * johnthetubaguy needs to go read that... | 20:59 | |
| russellb | sdague: thanks for driving the proposal | 20:59 |
| sdague | yes, I think so | 20:59 |
| mordred | my competing answer is "as a production end user, what is the minimal thing that's useful to run compute workloads" | 20:59 |
| ttx | cool. | 20:59 |
| mordred | sdague is answering the question from CEE day | 20:59 |
| mordred | "what is the smallest set of things I can deploy so i can start poking with this thing" | 20:59 |
| ttx | this compute thing, but yeah | 21:00 |
| mordred | yah | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 21:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-06-09-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-06-09-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-06-09-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| jeblair | mordred, sdague: sounds like good evolution | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | courtesy ping PTLs: adrian_otto boris-42 bswartz david-lyle devananda dims dtroyer emilienm flaper87 gordc hyakuhei isviridov | 21:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | courtesy ping PTLs: j^2 jeblair johnthetubaguy kiall loquacities mestery morganfainberg mtreinish nikhil_k notmyname rakhmerov | 21:00 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:00 |
| j^2 | o/ | 21:00 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 21:00 |
| boris-42 | markmcclain: hi there | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | courtesy ping PTLs: redrobot SergeyLukjanov slagle SlickNik smelikyan stevebaker thingee thinrichs ttx | 21:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 21:00 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 21:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 9 21:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: infra announcement bit set | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:01 |
| ameade | o/ | 21:01 |
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| j^2 | hey hey everyone | 21:01 |
| pshige | o/ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | Ok... so it's my turn in the chair this week | 21:01 |
| ttx | yay | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | thanks, markmcclain ! | 21:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:01 |
| lifeless | ruh roh | 21:01 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 21:01 |
| * ttx likes to relax on the back chair and heckle | 21:01 | |
| fungi | way to throw yourself on this grenade | 21:01 |
| bknudson | I hope it's a comfy chair | 21:01 |
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| bknudson | not like the iron throne | 21:01 |
| * fungi stabs ttx with the fluffy pillow | 21:02 | |
| markmcclain | bknudson: yeah.. seems to be formed fitted for ttx | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:02 |
| ttx | the desk in my siute is actually nicer than the one I have at home | 21:02 |
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| lifeless | fungi: tad rough :/ | 21:02 |
| jeblair | this meeting is violent | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Horizontal Team Announcements | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Hi! On the release management front... | 21:02 |
| ttx | I wanted to point you all to the new release status tracking page at: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | As discussed previously this is now primarily showing what already landed in the development cycle (rather than the prediction of what might land in the next milestone(s)) | 21:03 |
| mestery | ttx: that is one fancy status page | 21:03 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| bknudson | 26 degrees | 21:03 |
| fungi | liberty! | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | ttx: cool | 21:03 |
| ttx | #info To make things appear (or disappear) from the "tracked work" section, you can use the "series goal" field in Launchpad blueprints (no need to use milestones) | 21:03 |
| fungi | (for all) | 21:03 |
| bknudson | or mph? | 21:03 |
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| ttx | But that is totally opt-in. You can use that top track main cycle objectives, all your work, or nothing. | 21:03 |
| ttx | -p | 21:03 |
| ttx | Depends on what you want to communicate on that page | 21:03 |
| ttx | I don't care as much anymore | 21:03 |
| morganfainberg | oh neato | 21:03 |
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| ttx | so in summary, you want it on te list you add it to series goal (which is a drivers-controlled thing) | 21:04 |
| j^2 | ttx: how often is it refreshed? | 21:04 |
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| ttx | you don't want it on the list well... you remove the series goal | 21:04 |
| ttx | I think it's every 30 min | 21:04 |
| j^2 | nice | 21:04 |
| * ttx doublechecks | 21:04 | |
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| jeblair | on the infra side... | 21:05 |
| jeblair | we have scheduled our next set of project renames for this friday. the list of projects currently scheduled is in the email. if yours isn't listed, write a rename change and add it to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 21:05 |
| jeblair | #link Gerrit downtime on Friday 2015-06-12 at 22:00 UTC http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066366.html | 21:05 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: thanks for the reminder | 21:05 |
| ttx | */20 | 21:05 |
| ttx | j^2: every 20 min | 21:05 |
| j^2 | ttx: awesome thanks for the check | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | Any other horizontal team updates? | 21:06 |
| ttx | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-releasestatus/tree/manifests/site.pp#n40 | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | I should also make sure everyone saw the thread I started on bringing library releases back under the release management team | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066346.html | 21:06 |
| elmiko | the api-wg has 4 guidelines up for review currently that are in freeze, they have been posted to the ML, shall i link again here? | 21:06 |
| jokke_ | ttx: that looks nice ... can we get the same to track what's going on on stables? ;) | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | elmiko: can you link the email? | 21:06 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: when it gets closer to automation time for that, you may want to pull the infra team into those discussions | 21:06 |
| ttx | jokke_: nothing goes on on stable (at least nothing should, those are blueprints / features) | 21:06 |
| elmiko | sec, let me dig those up | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: definitely | 21:06 |
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| fungi | oh, also release tag merge changes... https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:merge/release-tag,n,z once we get the gate passing jobs in general again, please approve those. the commit messages should make sense now | 21:07 |
| jokke_ | ttx: ok, let me rewrite that ... can we get interactive releasenotes like that tracking fixed bugs in stables? ;) | 21:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:merge/release-tag,n,z | 21:07 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: we may want a blueprint if we do significant automation; but also sdague is tentatively planning on investigating adding tag reviewing in gerrit later this summer | 21:07 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065923.html | 21:07 |
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| sdague | jeblair: no, I'm adding a different thing | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | elmiko: thanks | 21:07 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066378.html | 21:07 |
| elmiko | markmcclain: np | 21:08 |
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| jeblair | sdague: oh, i thought you were looking into reviewing tags | 21:08 |
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| sdague | no, I'm looking at letting users tag reviews | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: ok, I was going to do something simple with a bot responding to instructions in text files. I'll write something up | 21:08 |
| sdague | and that being searchable | 21:08 |
| jeblair | sdague: you may want to consider alternate words. i suggest 'project'. ;) | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | sdague: cool | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: haha | 21:09 |
| * dhellmann notes the confusion about 2 more ways tags are used | 21:09 | |
| sdague | jeblair: or policy | 21:09 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: apparently i was wrong, unless i am able to trick sdague into thinking he meant the other thing | 21:09 |
| sdague | "user metadata" | 21:09 |
| fungi | catalog. nobody's using that one yet | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: I support your efforts | 21:09 |
| lifeless | TravT: pbr is fixed | 21:10 |
| ttx | jokke_: well you can definitely take the code and run with it | 21:10 |
| ttx | although it's quite a ugly hack | 21:10 |
| lifeless | TravT: [once tag jobs do their thing] | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. looks like we got the horizontal team updates... moving on | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | #topic Add requirements management specification (lifeless) | 21:11 |
| TravT | lifeless: thanks! | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186635/ | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | lifeless: want to start? | 21:11 |
| lifeless | markmcclain: +1 it all, thanks! | 21:11 |
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| lifeless | markmcclain: more seriously, I think this has been discussed to consensus no? On the list and at the summit : are there any concerns folk here have that haven't been addressed ? | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | I haven't had a chance to read the write-up, but don't expect any surprises | 21:12 |
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| * morganfainberg withholds snarky non-productive-joke answer. | 21:13 | |
| markmcclain | lifeless: I believe so, but the review traffic was low on it, so wanted to raise profile | 21:13 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: O M G | 21:13 |
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| ttx | lifeless: we need to give it some air on the crossproject meeting before we can close it in a TC meeting | 21:13 |
| lifeless | markmcclain: thanks! So, I owe an update for some trivia, which I'll do today. | 21:13 |
| ttx | it usually triggers a surge in reviews, too | 21:13 |
| lifeless | but there was nothing contentious in it - the stuff is tweaks not semantic changes | 21:13 |
| * dhellmann notes his procrastination has paid off, and he'll get to read an updated draft tomorrow | 21:13 | |
| lifeless | so - please look at this now :) | 21:14 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: ^ thats for you :) | 21:14 |
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| ttx | lifeless: if no serious objection appeas by end of week I'll put it on next TC agenda | 21:14 |
| ttx | for final approval | 21:14 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: early tomorrow, ~16 hrs | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | ttx: cool | 21:14 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: its all good; teasing :0 | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | moving on... | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | #topic Enabling Python 3 for Application Integration Tests Spec | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177375/ | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann is the author | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | I updated that based on some early feedback today, and added a link to the devstack change to enable it | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: thanks for updating it | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | if there's general consensus, I'll go ahead and submit a job template definition as an example | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | like the last one seems have have gotten low review traffic | 21:16 |
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| sdague | so, should we be taking these out to mailing list conversations instead of just in meetings? | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | sdague: ideally yes, but this also seems to fit some previously discussed approaches to py3 transition | 21:18 |
| sdague | to try to get that additional traffic | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | that's a good question, but we do have a spec so the point is to get people to discuss it there, no? | 21:18 |
| sdague | right, but not everyone is watching every spec | 21:18 |
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| dhellmann | for this one I just need the PTLs to not act surprised when it lands and then I'll be working with qa and infra to implement it | 21:18 |
| sdague | if the concern is review traffic, an ML thread helps with that | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | a thread to highlight the spec can be useful though | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 21:19 |
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| jokke_ | Do we have enough resources to run those 3.4 non-voting jobs for extended times? | 21:19 |
| lifeless | speaking of python versions | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: FWIW we already merged this for nova: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/approved/adding-python34-support-to-nova.html | 21:19 |
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| lifeless | I am confused about 2.6. Have we EOL'd our support or not ? | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | ok. We can do that. The point of this meeting is to have the PTLs talking about this sort of thing, though. Do you all read all of the ML? What topic heading should I use to get your attention? | 21:20 |
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| bknudson | libraries like python-keystoneclient still support 2.6 | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy: ok. Would have been nice to collaborate a bit more on that, but it doesn't look like you're going off in an unexpected direction. | 21:20 |
| sdague | I skim all of the mailing list, topic headers are irrelevant to me. but [all] is probably appropriate | 21:20 |
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| jokke_ | dhellmann: [py3] and bit of advertisement? | 21:21 |
| fungi | jokke_: the 3.4 jobs run on the same type of workers as 2.7 jobs, so at least we don't provision special workers specifically for those any longer... they just draw from the same pool | 21:21 |
| lifeless | bknudson: why do they? | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: no one filtering the ML will see that | 21:21 |
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| jokke_ | fungi: cool | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: its the same direction I think, its more some folks stepped up to do it, and we didn't want to block them, once it sounded like a sensible proposal | 21:21 |
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| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy: yep, I just don't want a bunch of teams reinventing 90% of the same thing | 21:22 |
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| jokke_ | dhellmann: thus the advertisement ... I think there would be room for lots of knowledge share between projects around py3 | 21:22 |
| fungi | lifeless: the original concern was that while we still had stable branches of servers where 2.6 was supported, any libraries they depended on for running/testing needed to continue to support 2.6 | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: agreed, I don't think they have got that far yet | 21:22 |
| fungi | lifeless: that's a bit murkier since we recently added stable branches to all the libs | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy: ok, good | 21:22 |
| fungi | lifeless: i think it's just not been revisited since the lib stable branch addition | 21:23 |
| lifeless | fungi: when do those servers EOL; the upper-constraints stuff has no validation for 2.6 and thats not easy to do either | 21:23 |
| lifeless | since we'd need a 2.6 on the periodic node | 21:23 |
| fungi | what was the last release where we claimed 2.6 support? icehouse or juno? | 21:23 |
| sdague | juno | 21:23 |
| bknudson | I think we'll need a 2.0 of python-keystoneclient and drop 2.6 and other stuff. | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: ++ | 21:24 |
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| fungi | okay, so in theory we need to at least keep 2.6-supporting infrastructure around until juno eol | 21:24 |
| sdague | I don't know what the juno eol plan is, stable maint teams should speak up there | 21:24 |
| lifeless | do we test python-keystoneclient master against juno ? | 21:24 |
| lifeless | if we're not doing that, I don't see why 2.6 testing matters :) | 21:24 |
| sdague | lifeless: we used to | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless: i'd need to go check to see hwat we are doing now | 21:24 |
| morganfainberg | the field has changed a bunch | 21:25 |
| sdague | a lot of things fell apart during the pinning | 21:25 |
| lifeless | sdague: yeah, I know - and I think its good to do so. But are we :) | 21:25 |
| jokke_ | didn't we discuss 12 or 9 months for juno stable? | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | sdague, johnthetubaguy : here's the existing ML thread on this subject, to which no one replied: | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/065203.html | 21:25 |
| fungi | i'm hoping all the relevant libs have stable/juno branches now and we can consider limiting 2.6 support to those | 21:25 |
| lifeless | sdague: I'd like to bring that back in FWIW | 21:25 |
| lifeless | sdague: but one thing at a time. | 21:25 |
| ttx | currently set at 12 months | 21:25 |
| ttx | i.e. asap after liberty release | 21:25 |
| ttx | (down from the original promise of 15) | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: turns out I remember that thread, thats how I discovered the python3.4 spec, it was a little bit after we merged that nova spec, and we made sure we were not out of whack, if that helps | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy: great! | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: thanks | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: totally forgot that till just now though, and re-read an old friend, heh | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. hopefully folks will chime on the review so that we can move forward | 21:28 |
| bknudson | progress on PyMySQL? | 21:28 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/184493 | 21:29 |
| fungi | that's in need of reviews/merging i believe to switch the devstack default | 21:29 |
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| fungi | though it does appear to work fine | 21:29 |
| sdague | fungi: didn't you say you'd do a final alert ML thread on that one? | 21:30 |
| bknudson | cool | 21:30 |
| sdague | so that no one was surprised by it | 21:30 |
| fungi | sdague: oh! right, i'll do that now. too many things | 21:30 |
| sdague | yep, no worries | 21:30 |
| fungi | also lots of proposed changes in various states | 21:30 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:pymysql-switch,n,z | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | #action fungi to alert on pending PyMySQL change | 21:30 |
| sdague | I'll merge it once that email has been out for a day and no one freaks out | 21:30 |
| fungi | sdague: sounds great, thanks | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | sounds good | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Vertical Team Announcements | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | Any vertical teams have any items of interest to everyone? | 21:31 |
| ttx | don't forget to use #info so that it sticks on the minutes | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | ttx: thanks for the reminder.. forgot that in my notes | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Next Week's Chair | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | so this meeting has moved to a rotating chair | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | the cool thing is that it is not limited to ttx or other members of the TC | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | any PTL can sign up to chair the meeting | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | if everyone signs up once, no one should have to sign up twice | 21:34 |
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| ttx | it's fnu! really! | 21:34 |
| lifeless | quick add more projects | 21:34 |
| ttx | except the 11pm part | 21:34 |
| lifeless | if we add them fast enough | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: yes that would nice... anyone can feel free to remove my name from future dates :) | 21:34 |
| lifeless | noone ever repeats | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:35 |
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| nikhil_k | I don't mind signing up. Will double check schedule and do so. | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | nikhil_k: thanks! | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | nikhil_k: thanks | 21:35 |
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| ttx | nikhil_k: awesome thx | 21:35 |
| * ttx should make a chair guide | 21:35 | |
| markmcclain | ttx: good idea | 21:35 |
| ttx | with the whole "pick openstack-specs" thing | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. tricky which ones to discuss.. there are some with several -1s that don't feel mature and then there are others that need attention before they can be approved even if folks agree | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | I think we've cover everything for today, so we'll end a bit early. | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | Thanks to everyone for dropping in. | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 9 21:38:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-06-09-21.01.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-06-09-21.01.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-06-09-21.01.log.html | 21:38 |
| elmiko | thanks markmcclain | 21:38 |
| ttx | thanks markmcclain | 21:38 |
| thingee | woo | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | elmiko, ttx: happy to help out | 21:39 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 21:39 |
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| pshige | thanks | 21:39 |
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