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| ujuc | hi | 06:01 |
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| katomo | hi | 06:01 |
| DeeJay1 | hi | 06:01 |
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| ujuc | :) | 06:01 |
| katomo | :) | 06:01 |
| adiantum | hi | 06:01 |
| Fdot | Hello :) | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Hi | 06:01 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 06:02:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Good morning and good afternoon. | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Welcome to I18n meeting. | 06:02 |
| DeeJay1 | +1 ;) | 06:02 |
| ujuc | hello~ | 06:02 |
| Daisy | I see ujuc, katomo, adiantum, Fdot , DeeJay1 | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Nice to meet you. | 06:02 |
| adiantum | Hello! | 06:02 |
| Fdot | \o_ | 06:02 |
| epico | Hello | 06:03 |
| ujuc | \o_ kk | 06:03 |
| katomo | Hello | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Let's start the meeting. | 06:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Briefing of I18n meetings in Vancouver summit | 06:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Briefing of I18n meetings in Vancouver summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:03 | |
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| Daisy | In Vancouver summit, there were 2 scheduled I18n meetings. DeeJay1 had a presentation to introduce translation tools and his experiences in translation . | 06:04 |
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| Daisy | In the 2 scheduled I18n meetings, we met with doc team, Horizon team, infra team. It was great to meet with them in our meetings. It showed that they all thought we were important. | 06:05 |
| Daisy | Besides 2 scheduled meetings, we also had a ad hoc I18n team round table meeting. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | I liked this ad hoc meeting very much. | 06:06 |
| Fdot | +1 :) | 06:06 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vancouver-translation-team-workshop | 06:06 |
| Daisy | This was the meeting minutes. | 06:07 |
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| Daisy | We talked about glossaries, communications, string freeze, being more official and visible. | 06:08 |
| Daisy | and etc. | 06:08 |
| Daisy | We even made a picture. | 06:08 |
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| Daisy | About the communication, we decided to try "slack". | 06:09 |
| Daisy | Fdot set up a "link" in slack: https://openstacki18nteam.slack.com | 06:09 |
| Daisy | You can install a mobile app "slack", then you can communicate with the team any time you want. | 06:10 |
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| Daisy | Fdot: if a person want to join https://openstacki18nteam.slack.com, does he need invitation ? | 06:11 |
| katomo | Fdot: To start using Slack, you'll need to be invited by your team administrator. | 06:11 |
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| Fdot | If you can't access to the group send give me your email and I will send you invitations | 06:11 |
| katomo | got it. | 06:11 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: do you still have problem to join slack ? | 06:12 |
| katomo | Thanks to set up. | 06:12 |
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| Fdot | katomo daisy: I am looking into the seetings for improving this ;) | 06:12 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:12 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: yes :( | 06:12 |
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| Daisy | What's your problem, DeeJay1 ? | 06:13 |
| DeeJay1 | I need the invite ;) I'll message Fdot | 06:13 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:13 |
| Fdot | DeeJay1: anytime :) | 06:13 |
| Daisy | great. slack can short the physical distance between us. | 06:14 |
| Daisy | About the glossary, German, French, Japanese, Chinese have their own glossary. We decided to merge them together to make the first version of I18n "terminologies". | 06:15 |
| Daisy | ujuc: do you have your own glossary ? | 06:15 |
| ujuc | no, i made glossary... | 06:15 |
| Daisy | What do you mean ? | 06:15 |
| ujuc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/%EB%8B%A8%EC%96%B4%EC%A7%91 | 06:15 |
| ujuc | slowly make.... | 06:15 |
| Daisy | ok. I didn't make out a merged version yet. I will do it next week. | 06:16 |
| Daisy | We decided to use "terminologies" as the first trial project in Zanata. The first trial project will probably start from the end of June or the early of July. | 06:17 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1 has a spec to infra team about translation check website. Thank you very much, DeeJay1 | 06:17 |
| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184559/ | 06:18 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: how is the progress now ? | 06:18 |
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| DeeJay1 | I'll refine it this weekend according to the comments | 06:18 |
| Daisy | ok. Thank you. | 06:18 |
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| DeeJay1 | it's been a pretty busy week after my vacation | 06:18 |
| Daisy | I'm done about "Vancouver summit briefing". Do you have anything add, Fdot, DeeJay1, adiantum ? | 06:19 |
| Daisy | adiantum: have you connected with Carlos, the Zanata developer ? | 06:20 |
| Fdot | Daisy: it is ok for me :) | 06:20 |
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| adiantum | Daisy: not yet, i have no his contacts... | 06:20 |
| Daisy | We need to make sure "translation metrics on stackalytis" happened in Liberty. | 06:20 |
| Daisy | OK. I will connect you two. | 06:20 |
| adiantum | Daisy: thank you. | 06:21 |
| Daisy | Then let's move to next topic. | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | #topic Criteria of I18n core members and active members | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | During the Vancouver meeting, we decided to try "openstack official project". I tried. it turned out our contributions were well known by TC team. 11 people voted +1 to us. | 06:22 |
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| Daisy | So we passed. Now we are official project. In next design summit, we will have meeting rooms. Hurry! | 06:23 |
| DeeJay1 | yay! | 06:23 |
| adiantum | Very good! | 06:23 |
| Fdot | \o/ | 06:23 |
| ujuc | lol | 06:23 |
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| Daisy | If we want our active contributors to get "ATC" and the discount code sent by openstack officer, we have to do some extra steps. | 06:24 |
| Daisy | Before that, let's set the criteria of our core members and active members. | 06:25 |
| Daisy | First, let's discuss about the core member criteria . | 06:25 |
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| DeeJay1 | I'd say: attends at least one meeting montlhy and is active on the mailing list and is a language coordinator | 06:27 |
| Daisy | What in my mind are is "(1) coordinators of active translation team who has Horizon translation or at least 2 document translation (2) attend IRC meeting at least once per month“ | 06:27 |
| Fdot | Daisy: maybe we can use the transifex stats ? | 06:27 |
| DeeJay1 | Fdot: s/transifex/zanata/ - but that is for the active member statistic in my opinion | 06:28 |
| Daisy | Fdot: Yes, Transifex stats could be used to name the active contributors. | 06:28 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: agree. Transifex/Zanata stats could be used to select active members. Not core members. | 06:29 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: adding a required Horizon/doc translation is a good point also | 06:29 |
| Daisy | Fdot: I will send you the stats of French team. | 06:30 |
| DeeJay1 | this would weed out the coordinators which are there because they are there | 06:30 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: yes. | 06:30 |
| adiantum | Daisy: and may i ask you about stats for russian team? | 06:30 |
| Daisy | sure, adiantum | 06:30 |
| Fdot | Daisy: thanks | 06:30 |
| adiantum | Daisy, thank you | 06:30 |
| adiantum | Horizon translation is a good point | 06:31 |
| Daisy | OK. Nice. I think we will have our initial core team. | 06:31 |
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| katomo | Horizon and Docs are good. | 06:32 |
| Daisy | Then we need to collect information of active translators. We need to have them sign the ICLA ( it is individual contributor ?? agreement ) | 06:32 |
| adiantum | But i think we need to think about involvment to translation review process too | 06:32 |
| adiantum | Individual Contributor License Agreement | 06:33 |
| Fdot | +1 adiantum :) | 06:33 |
| DeeJay1 | adiantum: yeah, but we should get it from the stats | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | Exactly, Thank you, adiantum. | 06:33 |
| katomo | adiantum: agree. review process is important. | 06:33 |
| ujuc | +1 adiantum, :) review... important. | 06:34 |
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| Daisy | how to do that ? Do you have any idea ? adiantum | 06:34 |
| adiantum | from stats, but no idea about correct criteria | 06:35 |
| Daisy | review is another kind of contribution, the same important as translation. | 06:35 |
| DeeJay1 | adiantum: for current ATC criteria for the developers, you need to just fix a typo somewhere | 06:36 |
| Daisy | I know Zanata stats will show the review contribution and translation contribution. | 06:36 |
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| adiantum | DeeJay1: sometimes not only typo :) | 06:36 |
| Daisy | I don't know about Transifex yet. If it has, I will send to you together. | 06:36 |
| adiantum | Daisy: so we can discuss this criteria after transfer to Zanata | 06:37 |
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| Daisy | who knows the criteria of current code ATC ? | 06:38 |
| Daisy | 1 commit ? | 06:38 |
| adiantum | as i remember 1 commit to official project | 06:38 |
| DeeJay1 | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstack-summit/ | 06:39 |
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| Daisy | Do you agree that "1 word translation or review" could be the criteria of translation ATC ? | 06:39 |
| ujuc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Program_Application#ATC_Status | 06:39 |
| Fdot | Daisy: I think it is not enough | 06:40 |
| Fdot | It is easier to translate 1 word than doing 1 commit | 06:40 |
| DeeJay1 | I'd say maybe 5% for a currently merged translation | 06:40 |
| Daisy | "The program grants Active Technical Contributor (ATC) status to anyone completing a commit to any program repository during the previous two release cycles. Core project team members may grant ATC to significant, non code-contributors for two cycles. " | 06:40 |
| ujuc | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#voters-for-tc-seats-atc | 06:41 |
| ujuc | this... link | 06:41 |
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| Daisy | Thanks, ujuc . They are useful. | 06:41 |
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| Daisy | I think 5% is a big number, maybe 5% would be 25 strings, around 250 words. I don't know. | 06:42 |
| Fdot | Daisy: 25 strings is not so much and it start to be a contribution | 06:42 |
| ujuc | to bic..... | 06:42 |
| Daisy | In Kilo release, there were 500+ new strings to Horizon. 5% is 25 strings, around 250 words. | 06:42 |
| ujuc | um... | 06:43 |
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| Daisy | 200 words translation during the previous two release cycles ? | 06:43 |
| Fdot | Daisy: +1 \o_ | 06:43 |
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| katomo | +1 | 06:44 |
| adiantum | sounds good | 06:44 |
| ujuc | +1 | 06:44 |
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| DeeJay1 | +1 | 06:44 |
| Daisy | :) | 06:44 |
| DeeJay1 | we can refine it later on, when we start getting the stats | 06:44 |
| Daisy | Nice. | 06:44 |
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| Daisy | Thank you. | 06:45 |
| adiantum | DeeJay1: agreed | 06:45 |
| Daisy | #action: Daisy to send Transifex stats to each language team. | 06:45 |
| Daisy | Do you think we publish these stats or not ? I mean, not only send to the coordinator, send out to the whole mailing list ? | 06:46 |
| Daisy | It's bad that Transifex stats can only be reviewed by a few people. | 06:47 |
| Daisy | Only project maintainer could see the stats, I think. | 06:47 |
| Daisy | Hello? | 06:48 |
| adiantum | let publish it - i think it's good idea | 06:48 |
| DeeJay1 | it denends on how they are anonimized | 06:48 |
| ujuc | plubish. | 06:48 |
| Daisy | :) | 06:48 |
| Daisy | ok. Let's publish them. | 06:49 |
| Fdot | Daisy: +1 | 06:49 |
| katomo | +1 | 06:49 |
| adiantum | DeeJay: good point, but some people don't publish their names on Transifex | 06:49 |
| DeeJay1 | on transifex people didn't sign the ICLA, giving away they names/addresses so IMHO from a legal standpoint it would be wiser to anonimize the data | 06:49 |
| Daisy | OK. Then. | 06:50 |
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| adiantum | We can ask people with significant contribution for agreement to publish | 06:50 |
| Daisy | Firstly, I will only publish to the core team. | 06:50 |
| Fdot | Daisy: ok :) | 06:50 |
| Daisy | Let's see the data at first, then we decide whether to publish them. | 06:50 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: ok, when we see what the data include we can decide | 06:50 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: +1 | 06:51 |
| adiantum | +1 | 06:51 |
| * DeeJay1 seems to have a typo day :/ | 06:51 | |
| ujuc | +1 :) | 06:51 |
| Daisy | OK. great ! | 06:51 |
| Daisy | I have done my work. | 06:51 |
| Fdot | Daisy: +1 | 06:51 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 06:51 |
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| Daisy | Anything to discuss ? | 06:52 |
| DeeJay1 | enyone else misses Vancouver? ;) | 06:52 |
| adiantum | i find on launchpad blueprint in stacalytics project about translation support | 06:52 |
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| Daisy | Yes, adiantum . I made it. | 06:52 |
| DeeJay1 | o7 amotoki! | 06:53 |
| Daisy | You can assign to youself, if you want. | 06:53 |
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| adiantum | it would be great | 06:53 |
| adiantum | but i want to ask - is there any kind of spec or something? | 06:54 |
| Daisy | adiantum: do you have connects with Ilya Shakhat ? | 06:54 |
| Daisy | adiantum: no...I think Carlos has a API spec. | 06:54 |
| adiantum | not yet, but i know guys from Mirantis who know him | 06:54 |
| katomo | good | 06:55 |
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| Daisy | adiantum: you could connect with him if you need his help on stackalytics codes. | 06:55 |
| Daisy | Carlos has a Zanata API spec. | 06:56 |
| adiantum | i mean we need some requirements for spec as starting point, i can create first iteration and then i think wew need to discuss | 06:56 |
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| Daisy | adiantum: I could write a requirement document. | 06:56 |
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| adiantum | Daisy: kewl! | 06:56 |
| Daisy | There was a discussion with Ilya Shakhat, Carlos, Anish (the previous voluteer developer) in last release. I still remembered it. I could write it down. | 06:57 |
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| adiantum | Daisy: it will be nice =) | 06:58 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to write the requirements for translation metrics | 06:58 |
| Daisy | OK then. | 06:58 |
| Daisy | anything else to talk ? | 06:59 |
| DeeJay1 | we're out of time anyway :) | 06:59 |
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| adiantum | DeeJay1: missed Stanly Park :-) | 06:59 |
| katomo | none | 06:59 |
| ujuc | none | 06:59 |
| Daisy | So we will close the meeting. Thank you for your attending. | 06:59 |
| Daisy | We are a wonderful team ! | 06:59 |
| adiantum | thank you =) | 06:59 |
| Fdot | Daisy: +1 :) | 06:59 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:59 |
| DeeJay1 | thx! | 06:59 |
| Fdot | Thanks you all :) | 06:59 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 07:00:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-06-04-06.02.html | 07:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-06-04-06.02.txt | 07:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-06-04-06.02.log.html | 07:00 |
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| Fdot | have a good day/night/holidays ;) | 07:00 |
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| adiantum | good time to all =) | 07:00 |
| ujuc | bye :) | 07:00 |
| adiantum | bye! | 07:00 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 15:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:00 |
| gordc | welcome back folks | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| ityaptin | hi! | 15:00 |
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| karolyn | o/ | 15:01 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:01 |
| prad | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | let's get going. | 15:01 |
| gordc | #topic vancouver round up | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vancouver round up (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| gordc | i hope you all had a good time in vancouver a few weeks ago. | 15:02 |
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| gordc | i think we covered quite a bit... or at least what we hoped to | 15:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | here's the executive summary of what we covered: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064817.html | 15:02 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | the work items and assignees can be found here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ceilometer-contributors-meetup | 15:03 |
| gordc | for those who have something assigned to them. if you could, can you place an expected target next to the item | 15:03 |
| gordc | just so we can gauge whether we should assign more resources to certain items | 15:03 |
| gordc | i'll keep it on etherpad for now as apparently google docs isn't available everywhere. | 15:04 |
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| cdent | yeah, I've got a question on the agents split. I'm the name on that but fabio has started a spec, so what's the plan there. I'm happy either way | 15:04 |
| ildikov | will we track this etherpad on the meetings? | 15:04 |
| gordc | that work with everyone? i'll probably ping you individually if i don't see a date so if you don't want to talk to me. put a date. | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | gordc: :) | 15:05 |
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| gordc | ildikov: sure. let's do that... i think first few weeks we can assume people are just ramping up. but we can reference it. | 15:05 |
| gordc | cdent: ... hmm.. take it back.lol | 15:05 |
| gordc | cdub: i'll check with fabiog his plans... haven't seen him around recentlhy | 15:06 |
| gordc | cdent* | 15:06 |
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| ildikov | gordc: sure, agreed, I just thought that later it will be informative to see where we need more hands, etc. | 15:06 |
| gordc | ildikov: agreed. good idea | 15:06 |
| gordc | it's an honour system as always. don't make my life difficult by deleting the etherpad | 15:07 |
| jasonamyers | :p | 15:07 |
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| gordc | cool cool if there's no questions or anything add we can move on... | 15:07 |
| gordc | we got a lot on agenda | 15:08 |
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| gordc | #topic Quick vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184307/ | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quick vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184307/ (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:08 | |
| gordc | jd__: all yours | 15:08 |
| jd__ | yeah I need people to +2a | 15:09 |
| eglynn | gordc: are we voting on the idea or just on the proposed names for the split-out repo? | 15:09 |
| jd__ | especially on the name of the thing | 15:09 |
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| gordc | eglynn: so i think the idea is pretty much agreed upon from the summit | 15:10 |
| gordc | i think we consider names | 15:10 |
| eglynn | gordc: agreed | 15:10 |
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| gordc | i didn't yet check out the scope of what is split but i think it should be ok. | 15:10 |
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| * eglynn likes Aodh ... but I'm a sucker for silent consonants, being Irish and all :) | 15:10 | |
| gordc | eglynn: i was just going to ask you for fancy names... and you did not disappoint | 15:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: lol :) | 15:11 |
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| gordc | eglynn: i assume that ends up being pronounced completely different from how it's spelt | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | like 'A' ... to rhyme with May | 15:12 |
| gordc | jd__: do you want a vote for name? | 15:12 |
| jd__ | yes | 15:12 |
| jd__ | or an agreement :) | 15:12 |
| gordc | let's give a vote a try to point us in right direction | 15:12 |
| * gordc wonders how #vote works | 15:13 | |
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| eglynn | just boolean (y/n) options I think? | 15:13 |
| gordc | * aodh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aodh_(given_name) (Alarm Over Data Heuristically/Helpfully/Hopefully)* Lanterne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterne_(pasta) 50 * Mezzelune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzelune 51 * Ravioli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravioli 52 * Spätzle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A4tzle 53 * Campanelle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanelle (a bell-shaped pasta. Alarms, bells…) | 15:13 |
| gordc | eglynn: oh. i guess that doesn't work. | 15:13 |
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| cdent | yeah, you can only +1 0 or -1 on a vote | 15:14 |
| cdent | # vote lets do it and call it aodh | 15:14 |
| cdent | (but without the space) | 15:14 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:14 |
| * eglynn concurs | 15:14 | |
| gordc | #vote lets do it and call it aodh | 15:14 |
| gordc | don't work | 15:15 |
| cdent | 3 | 15:15 |
| gordc | let's just assume we're all leaning towords aodh | 15:15 |
| eglynn | gordc ... # startvote ? | 15:15 |
| cdent | #startvote lets do it and call it aodh | 15:15 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 15:15 |
| cdent | there we go | 15:15 |
| gordc | #startvote lets do it and call it aodh | 15:15 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:15 |
| gordc | lol | 15:15 |
| cdent | fdashfasfdaslfkdasf | 15:15 |
| gordc | this is too difficult. | 15:15 |
| gordc | anyone else have a preference? | 15:16 |
| gordc | else let's just say aodh | 15:16 |
| cdent | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting | 15:16 |
| eglynn | gordc ... example # startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe | 15:16 |
| cdent | apparently you can make choices | 15:16 |
| eglynn | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html | 15:16 |
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| gordc | #startvote what's the new alarm name? aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle | 15:17 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: what's the new alarm name? Valid vote options are aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle. | 15:17 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:17 |
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| gordc | #vote aodh | 15:17 |
| idegtiarov_ | #vote Maybe | 15:18 |
| openstack | idegtiarov_: Maybe is not a valid option. Valid options are aodh, lanterne, mezzelune, ravioli, campanelle, spatzle. | 15:18 |
| gordc | lol | 15:18 |
| prad | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| eglynn | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| jasonamyers | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| ildikov | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| cdent | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| * jd__ does not care | 15:18 | |
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| idegtiarov_ | #vote aodh | 15:18 |
| cdent | #showvote | 15:18 |
| openstack | aodh (7): ildikov, jasonamyers, cdent, eglynn, prad, gordc, idegtiarov_ | 15:18 |
| gordc | ok, i think we just burned through time. at least we know how voting works now. | 15:18 |
| ildikov | jd__: that's not a valid option :) | 15:18 |
| cdent | \o/ | 15:18 |
| ityaptin | #vote aodh | 15:19 |
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| rjaiswal | #vote aodh | 15:19 |
| gordc | 10 sec | 15:19 |
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| gordc | #endvote | 15:19 |
| openstack | Voted on "what's the new alarm name?" Results are | 15:19 |
| openstack | aodh (9): ildikov, rjaiswal, jasonamyers, cdent, eglynn, prad, gordc, ityaptin, idegtiarov_ | 15:19 |
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| gordc | cool. we learned extreme democracy. | 15:20 |
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| gordc | i guess if we can review the spec we should be good to go. | 15:20 |
| jd__ | i'll update the spec | 15:20 |
| jd__ | I've already started to work on a patch so I might have this new repo done quickly | 15:20 |
| gordc | jd__: cool stuff. | 15:20 |
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| gordc | #topic "subscribing" to the guidelines produced by the api-wg | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""subscribing" to the guidelines produced by the api-wg (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:21 | |
| gordc | cdent: go for it | 15:21 |
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| cdent | just sort of an update to the question of "do we need to follow the guidelines from the working group" | 15:21 |
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| cdent | I brought it up at one of the conference sessions that sometimes (e.g. gnocchi) there's a desire to not follow the guidelines (on use of HTTP 501 response code for example) | 15:22 |
| cdent | there's no stick inovolved in the guidelines, the basic statements are: | 15:22 |
| cdent | if you don't follow the guidelines you're not "being openstack" and/or you won't get the "follows-the-api-guidelines" tag | 15:23 |
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| cdent | neither of these things seem particularly relevant | 15:23 |
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| gordc | until you get branded for real. | 15:23 |
| cdent | but we may want to keep it in mind as we develop api related stuff: there are good reasons for why the guidelines are ending up as they are | 15:23 |
| gordc | what's the reason for exception in gnocchi? | 15:23 |
| gordc | or is it something best left for off meeting? | 15:24 |
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| cdent | the debate on when to use 501 is long and complicated | 15:24 |
| cdent | so probably best not to revisit here | 15:24 |
| eglynn | cdent: is the "follows-the-api-guidelines" tag for real? | 15:24 |
| cdent | there is a question underlying all this though and that is: do we care? do we want to do something about it? | 15:24 |
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| gordc | cdent: cool cool. "the debate on when to use <any stardard> is long and complicated" | 15:24 |
| ildikov | cdent: are there other exceptions too? | 15:25 |
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| cdent | eglynn: it is "forthcoming" according to lifeless | 15:25 |
| eglynn | wow | 15:25 |
| gordc | cdent: i think we care. it's just easier if things happen as expected with common results. | 15:25 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah... tags... | 15:25 |
| cdent | I'm not currently aware of other exceptions yet, but a) the guidelines are nowhere near complete nor published b) I haven't had a chance to do a full audit | 15:25 |
| ildikov | eglynn: this whole tagging story is under discussion as much as I know, but I think it will be soon | 15:25 |
| eglynn | tags certainly are the new hammer | 15:25 |
| cdent | yes, eglynn, that's what I said in response... | 15:26 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, but we still need to keep in mind to have some... | 15:26 |
| gordc | cool cool. i guess we should try to follow whatever exists so long as it seems logical | 15:26 |
| jasonamyers | ops tags sound brutal on the ops list | 15:26 |
| eglynn | tags can only capture a boolean distinction ... whereas there's likely to a wide spectrum from slavishingly following the api-wg guideline to pointedly ignoring them | 15:26 |
| cdent | Something to keep in mind is that there is a relatively small coterie of people validating the guidelines with any real authority (due to experience) and I'm in that group, so we can shape the guidelines quite a bit | 15:27 |
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| * gordc adds a tag rant topic for open discussion. | 15:27 | |
| cdent | but I don't want to get into a situation where we get lost in the bikeshed here, there's enough of that going on in the api-wg itself | 15:27 |
| ildikov | cdent: cool, I just wanted to ask | 15:27 |
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| gordc | cdent: i think as long as the services follow the guidelines to some degree, we'll all be in somewhat the same direction. | 15:28 |
| cdent | there's an active process in nova for api developments: if no guidelines exist for somethign that is ambiguous, create a guideline first, then make the nova changes | 15:28 |
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| cdent | I don't reckon we need that for us, but it is there as an option | 15:28 |
| eglynn | what happened to the idea of the api-wg being a repository of knowledge and enlightenment that projects would naturally buy into, as opposed to holding a big stick? | 15:29 |
| cdent | we have the advantage of being small and friendly | 15:29 |
| eglynn | by far the biggest nova API change in recent times was microversioning | 15:29 |
| eglynn | IMO at least | 15:29 |
| eglynn | yet the api-wg had no input to that? | 15:29 |
| ildikov | eglynn: no bug change with microversions :) | 15:29 |
| cdent | that's (education) still the goal by most people eglynn, it's just when the question of "what about when someone doesn't want to follow an important rule" where things enter into discussion of enforement | 15:30 |
| cdent | there' s a pending review on microversioning | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | well, retrospectively, right? | 15:31 |
| eglynn | as in ... not guideline first, change after? | 15:31 |
| eglynn | anyhoo, we digress | 15:31 |
| cdent | yes, but all the guidelines are effectively retrospective inclusion of rules that already exist because they are simply recapitulating what ought to be good web behavior | 15:31 |
| gordc | tbh, i don't really care about the tags but cdent you can keep us relatively aligned. | 15:31 |
| cdent | thanks gordc that's pretty much what I'm after is a statement of how much we care and it sounds like "we'd like to be good citizens but aren't going to be uptight about it" which seems sane | 15:32 |
| gordc | cdent: seems like a good politically-correct response. | 15:32 |
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| gordc | on to the next? | 15:33 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:33 |
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| cdent | #agreed we'll be good citizens with regard to api-wg but not uptight about it | 15:33 |
| gordc | i am tracking nothing for this... anyone else? | 15:33 |
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| gordc | cool, this topic was fun. next. | 15:34 |
| jasonamyers | ha | 15:34 |
| cdent | yay! | 15:34 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:34 |
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| gordc | jd__: sileht: anything? | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | cdent: "we'd like to be good citizens but aren't going to be uptight about it" makes sense ... with the caveat, "pretty, pretty please, don't use tags for this" | 15:34 |
| jd__ | I'm working on making the API and processing more async | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | other than that, no big news I guess | 15:35 |
| gordc | jd__: yay! async! | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | that should make things much faster | 15:35 |
| cdent | I've started experimenting with some gabbi-based functional testing things, just to get a better idea of how things work in a real installed system, I think this will likely result in some exploratory tools | 15:35 |
| sileht | no thing special, I wrote a piece of code to plug gnocchi with grafana | 15:35 |
| jd__ | sileht: does it work now? | 15:36 |
| gordc | i think so too. the processing was a bit sluggish. | 15:36 |
| sileht | jd__, I have a trouble with keystone and their proxy stuffs | 15:36 |
| jd__ | ok :( | 15:36 |
| sileht | jd__, otherrise I have implemented all your query in their system | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | awesome | 15:36 |
| sileht | (our queries) | 15:36 |
| jd__ | wwwwannnnts | 15:36 |
| gordc | sileht: you need contacts in keystone for help? | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | "I know people" | 15:37 |
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| gordc | i don't know people. i was just going to link irc channel. :P | 15:37 |
| sileht | gordc, my issue is in grafana | 15:37 |
| gordc | ah i see. | 15:37 |
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| gordc | not sure they have experience with that. | 15:37 |
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| gordc | sileht: let me know if you hit a wall. i can try redirecting issue somewhere... i don't know where yet. | 15:38 |
| sileht | I have published my code here: https://github.com/sileht/grafana2-gnocchi-datasource-plugin | 15:38 |
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| gordc | sileht: nice. and it'll exist as something outside for gnocchi? | 15:40 |
| gordc | outside of* | 15:40 |
| dstanek | sileht: just stop in to #openstack-keystone if you need help | 15:40 |
| dstanek | keystone help that is | 15:41 |
| sileht | dstanek, thx | 15:41 |
| gordc | dstanek: that was the link i was all the help i was going to give. | 15:41 |
| gordc | hmm | 15:41 |
| gordc | i typed two different sentences in one | 15:41 |
| sileht | gordc, this is a plugin for grafana so perhaps the grafana-plugins code tree make sense | 15:41 |
| gordc | sileht: makes sense | 15:41 |
| dstanek | gordc: that's because you are efficient | 15:42 |
| gordc | dstanek: thanks!lol | 15:42 |
| gordc | cool anything else gnocchi related? | 15:42 |
| gordc | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 15:42 |
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| gordc | not sure who added this. | 15:42 |
| jasonamyers | Do we normally have a midcycle? | 15:43 |
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| jasonamyers | I did | 15:43 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: ah i see. | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | jasonamyers: we had one and the next one we cancelled | 15:43 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: so we skipped the midcycle in kilo because we couldn't get enough attendees | 15:43 |
| jasonamyers | ahh okay | 15:43 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: generally we need someone to offer as host | 15:43 |
| gordc | we can talk about it though. | 15:44 |
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| cdent | on the beach near my house | 15:44 |
| gordc | i don't know if anyone has concerns about budget | 15:44 |
| jasonamyers | Cisco will gladly host at RTP | 15:44 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: cool. rtp might be ok... might be an issue for devs in russia/china. | 15:45 |
| prad | thats 4 miles from where i live.. so +1 from me :P | 15:45 |
| prad | but yea the rest of the team is far far away | 15:45 |
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| gordc | so we have cdents house and rtp. | 15:45 |
| jasonamyers | we have other offices, but rtp was the first one they offered | 15:45 |
| jasonamyers | if their is another office that works I can see about that as well | 15:46 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: maybe you can get a more euro based option. and possible time? | 15:46 |
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| gordc | for all the contributors we can start asking our managers for pots of gold... | 15:46 |
| jasonamyers | will do | 15:46 |
| gordc | ask for something really big so it makes a plane ticket seem more reasonable | 15:46 |
| ildikov | jasonamyers: gordc: the Nova folks had an eventbrite registration or smth like just to see how many attendees they can expect | 15:47 |
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| ildikov | maybe we could do smth similar, it was announced on the dev list | 15:47 |
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| gordc | ildikov: good idea | 15:47 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i'll look into that. | 15:47 |
| ildikov | I would prefer Ireland, I still have a corporate plane ticket to there... | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | gordc: cool, tnx | 15:48 |
| jasonamyers | we do have a nice office outside of dublin | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | jasonamyers: cool, sounds nice to me :) | 15:48 |
| gordc | ... ildikov always gets what she asks for. | 15:49 |
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| jasonamyers | Ill get on it | 15:49 |
| gordc | cool stuff... thanks for taking lead on that jasonamyers | 15:49 |
| * ildikov tries hard at least :) | 15:49 | |
| gordc | jasonamyers: anything else you need? | 15:49 |
| gordc | assume no. | 15:50 |
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| gordc | #topic Short term solution vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/ | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Short term solution vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/ (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:50 | |
| gordc | rjaiswal: floor is yours | 15:50 |
| gordc | i practiced my voting skills | 15:50 |
| jasonamyers | Im good | 15:51 |
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| rjaiswal | gordc: thx, yes, we need a vote on the short term approach on this - file polling or HUP-signal to achieve pipeline reloading | 15:51 |
| ildikov | short term is solving the config reload on pipeline level? | 15:51 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: ... that seems too complex for a irc vote.lol | 15:52 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: assuming the options and pros/cons were discussed in the summit | 15:52 |
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| gordc | i guess we did agree on some form of file based refresh. | 15:52 |
| rjaiswal | other potential options are using olso to reload config file | 15:53 |
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| ildikov | I think the file based approach does not prevent us to switch to datastore later | 15:53 |
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| gordc | jd__: want to remove your -2? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/ | 15:53 |
| jd__ | gordc: I need to re-read it I guess? | 15:53 |
| gordc | jd__: sure. | 15:54 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: did you refresh spec with options? i didn't read it tbh. | 15:54 |
| ildikov | so I think we can start there and then if the pipeline rebuild is done with file reload, then we still have ways forward | 15:54 |
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| gordc | i don't know if you have quick pitch on what pro/con of each option is? | 15:54 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: or we can just read the spec | 15:54 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: i havn't, i was thinking of another spec for the short term approach | 15:54 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: ah i see... i think that might be a good idea. i don't think we all have a sense of your proposal and what the alternatives are | 15:55 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: i think you can present an option you feel is best and we can go from there. | 15:55 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: sure, so the file reloading is easiest to achieve, but error-prone | 15:55 |
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| rjaiswal | since there is no coordination among agents to use a single pipeline | 15:56 |
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| gordc | rjaiswal: kk. yeah. i think if we drop that in a short spec we can all take a look and provide feedback. i don't think we'll be able to come to conclusion in 3 minutes | 15:57 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: we can keep this on the meeting for next week if we haven't decide by then? sound good? | 15:57 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: yes, i can work on a spec and pull in feedback from etherpad | 15:57 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: cool stuff. | 15:57 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: yes, sounds god, shud have it ready by then | 15:57 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: awesome | 15:58 |
| rjaiswal | gordc: thanks | 15:58 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| rjaiswal | ildikov, __jd: thanks | 15:58 |
| gordc | 1 minute to do whatever | 15:58 |
| cdent | tags throwdown | 15:58 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: np, add to the review please, if you have a new spec | 15:59 |
| gordc | cdent: ... don't ask me about tags... i will rant... and i will get fired.lol | 15:59 |
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| gordc | cdent: don't ask me about <anything>... i will rant... and i will get fired. | 15:59 |
| * cdent would like to see that | 15:59 | |
| gordc | ok. | 15:59 |
| gordc | end of time | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 16:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-04-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-04-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-04-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| gordc | next time cdent :P | 16:00 |
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| s3wong | hello | 16:00 |
| * cdent sighs | 16:00 | |
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| s3wong | anyone here for Tacker meeting? | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram1 | s3wong: hi | 16:01 |
| bobh | hello | 16:01 |
| dgollub | s3wong: hi | 16:01 |
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| prashant | hi | 16:01 |
| sripriya | Hello | 16:01 |
| melisha | Hey. Moshe Elisha (Alcatel Lucent) for Tacker | 16:01 |
| s3wong | Great, let's get started | 16:01 |
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| s3wong | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 16:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is s3wong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:01 |
| s3wong | Here is the agenda for today: | 16:02 |
| s3wong | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_June_4.2C_2015 | 16:02 |
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| s3wong | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:02 | |
| s3wong | first, the "major" announcement is our new meeting time and channel | 16:02 |
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| s3wong | given that you guys are here, that means you already know about them; but for the record, I will info it | 16:03 |
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| s3wong | #info Tacker weekly meeting time and channel: Thursday @1600 UTC on #openstack-meeting | 16:03 |
| gpaz | Hi everyone, Guy from Alcatel-Lucent (Cloudband) | 16:04 |
| s3wong | gpaz: hello | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | gpaz: hi | 16:04 |
| s3wong | Several times this week, there has been inquiry on setting up Tacker demo | 16:04 |
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| s3wong | so I will also "announce" the detail as info | 16:05 |
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| ljlamers | #info Larry Lamers | 16:05 |
| s3wong | ljlamers: hello | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: there were asks for a short installation doc as well | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | folks are trying to stand up tacker service | 16:05 |
| s3wong | #info the folder where we store most of our demo related things is here: | 16:06 |
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| s3wong | #link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4LNMvjOzyDufnhtanB2STZuUnlWVGpGcnRrMkxRdGE3TDZfblFqZjhjcnAzc3BsSEFCc3c&usp=sharing | 16:06 |
| bobh | We were able to reproduce the demo except for the Horizon integration. There seems to be a bug in the tacker Horizon repo that prevents Horizon from starting | 16:06 |
| s3wong | #info devstack (in case you want a reference to local.conf) is in: | 16:07 |
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| s3wong | #link https://github.com/yamahata/devstack/tree/tacker-devstack | 16:07 |
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| s3wong | #info and Horizon repo is in: | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I can help | 16:07 |
| s3wong | #link https://github.com/srics/horizon/tree/tacker | 16:07 |
| s3wong | bobh: yeah, I feel much more confident after you were able to reproduce the demo setup (sans Horizon) | 16:08 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: thanks! | 16:08 |
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| s3wong | any other announcements? | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | ljlamers: is hosting a TOSCA meetup this monday | 16:09 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram, ljlamers: Monday the 15th, right? | 16:09 |
| ljlamers | #info - Larry Lamers is not hosting a TOSCA meeting | 16:09 |
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| s3wong | ljlamers: not? | 16:10 |
| ljlamers | #info Larry Lamers has invited several experts to a meet up including folks from OpenStack world | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | ljlamers: can u clarify ? | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | ljlamers: got it :) | 16:10 |
| s3wong | OK, moving on :-) | 16:11 |
| ljlamers | It is an informal meeting of experts - under no organization auspices | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | ljlamers: sounds good | 16:11 |
| s3wong | ljlamers: good | 16:11 |
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| s3wong | #topic Liberty cycle priorities | 16:12 |
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| s3wong | I tentatively put in a list of tasks on the agenda wiki | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: we also have an etherpad now to capture liberty tacker activities .. including the priority | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-tacker | 16:12 |
| s3wong | the list, of course, should be finalized by community consensus | 16:13 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: thanks | 16:13 |
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| s3wong | but just to get discussion going, let's go through these | 16:13 |
| dgollub | what do you think about fixing up the run_tests.sh/testsuite and do "s/servicevm/vnf/" cleanups? | 16:14 |
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| s3wong | dgollub: that would also be important | 16:14 |
| s3wong | dgollub: we will add that to the list | 16:14 |
| dgollub | The original goal of tacker might confuse people if they look into the code right now - or do you think this is just nitpicking since it's just some naming thing ... | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | dgollub: most of the APIs and CLIs has be changed over to "vnf" .. | 16:15 |
| dgollub | oh, perfect. I haven't checked since the summit - just returned from PTO | 16:15 |
| s3wong | dgollub: prior to the talk at the L-Summit, yamahata, sridhar_ram, and I rushed to do a name change | 16:15 |
| dgollub | perfect | 16:15 |
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| s3wong | dgollub: but absolutely --- if we still have references to servicevm, we should fix them | 16:16 |
| s3wong | dgollub: thanks for your input | 16:16 |
| s3wong | So... item #1: monitoring driver | 16:16 |
| bobh | would it make sense to work on the default tacker.conf file to make it easier to see what needs to be configured? | 16:16 |
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| s3wong | bobh: absolutely | 16:17 |
| bobh | It was not obvious at first glance which sections are important and what the values should be | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, it is currently based on neutron.conf .. is it messy! | 16:17 |
| s3wong | bobh: for the demo, we only have "default" | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: we should clean that up | 16:17 |
| s3wong | bobh: such as heat driver, or the ssh config driver :-) | 16:18 |
| bobh | little things like that :-) | 16:18 |
| s3wong | bobh: I agree that we should put together a tacker.conf | 16:18 |
| s3wong | anyone wants to get started on this? | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I can give it a shot | 16:19 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: cool | 16:19 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i can help too if needed | 16:20 |
| s3wong | #action sridhar_ram and sripriya will take the first crack on tacker.conf to clarify what components can be | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure, we can discuss this, thanks! | 16:20 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: me too | 16:20 |
| s3wong | #action and bobh also (on tacker.conf) | 16:21 |
| s3wong | very good, thanks guys! | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks, we can sync up over a patchset and colloborate | 16:21 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Sounds good | 16:21 |
| s3wong | Item #2: Monitoring | 16:22 |
| s3wong | (sorry, updating the etherpad as I go) | 16:23 |
| s3wong | currently, there is NO driver/plugin framework for monitoring | 16:23 |
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| melisha | Did you already have some alternatives in mind? | 16:23 |
| s3wong | in fact, all we did was integrating what prashant wrote (ping thread every 5 seconds) and do it as connectivity check | 16:24 |
| s3wong | melisha: well, at the very least we need to make it a driver interface; but as we talked about during the summit, in addition to health, monitoring should also do performance monitoring | 16:25 |
| melisha | OK. We are now in the process of evaluating a monitoring service. | 16:25 |
| melisha | We want something to be good for both HW and SW | 16:25 |
| s3wong | melisha: and for that, for sure, this should be VNF specific as well as some common things | 16:25 |
| dgollub | melisha: do you already have a certain interface in mind? (don't know what ETSI NFV is refering to here .. I'm new to the monitoring aspect) | 16:25 |
| melisha | s3wong: so we are now talking only on the driver? | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | melisha: s3wong: we need some default VNF / VIM level monitoring that is not VNF specific | 16:26 |
| bobh | Maybe start with something simple like remote port monitoring | 16:26 |
| s3wong | melisha: so in essence, we need to be able to plug in multiple drivers a la ML2 in Neutron | 16:26 |
| bobh | may need to monitor a VM or also monitor via a proxy like an EMS | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | how about we write a blueprint in the tacker-specs repo for Tacker Health Monitoring | 16:27 |
| s3wong | bobh: we need both the framework to allow vendor/VNF plugins, and reference implementation | 16:27 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I agree | 16:27 |
| melisha | sridhar_ram: I agree | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | we can discuss all these options in gerritt and pick the best approach | 16:27 |
| s3wong | I think since this is a redesign, we should treat it as a new feature | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: agree | 16:28 |
| bobh | s3wong: I agree. Need to be able to have multiple different monitors in the same VNF | 16:28 |
| s3wong | so we should go through the normal OpenStack process for bp and spec | 16:28 |
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| dgollub | I hope ETSI NFV has a answer to monitoring .. like netconf/yang for config stuff. | 16:28 |
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| dgollub | And in the end we have one set of well established driver for monitoring and config which work for several vendor VNFs | 16:28 |
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| s3wong | dgollub: while it is great to have --- but different VNF has very different monitoring parameters, not sure if ETSI can standardize that easily | 16:29 |
| dgollub | so if there are others vendors out there interested not spinning their own vendor-specific thing ... let me know | 16:29 |
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| dgollub | what ETSI NFV seems to do is they just mention some random interface/protocols in the appendinx .. and the industry takes that as granted. Like netconf/yang and tosca and Heat and such things | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | IMO ETSI NFV is an architectural framework and it is not as prescriptive in these areas | 16:30 |
| dgollub | Ideally we just lead the industry with a good multi-vendor driver implementaiton -as referene | 16:30 |
| bobh | some standard EMS interfaces may be useful - SNMP, JMS, etc for monitoring alarms and performance metrics | 16:30 |
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| s3wong | dgollub: +1 --- I think in Tacker we will start with some vendor agnostic things | 16:31 |
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| s3wong | bobh: agreed, narrow down to a set of common denominators, and start from there | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yeah, some default monitoring + config methids (like config driver) which can be augmented by VNF specific .. will be good approach for Tacker | 16:33 |
| s3wong | So... anyone interested in taking the first crack at monitoring framework? | 16:33 |
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| prashant | s3wong : I can get started on it | 16:33 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: certainly. we definitely need to enhance what we have now | 16:33 |
| bobh | I'm willing to help | 16:33 |
| s3wong | prashant: nice | 16:33 |
| s3wong | bobh: great | 16:33 |
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| s3wong | bobh, prashant: so as we talked about before, this is a new feature, so we need a bp and a spec for discussion. Let's start with that | 16:34 |
| s3wong | #action bobh and prashant will start to look at the monitoring framework for Tacker | 16:35 |
| s3wong | bobh, prashant: thanks, guys! | 16:35 |
| s3wong | Next item (#3): config driver refactoring | 16:35 |
| s3wong | config driver is actually a driver interface now, but there are certain things that need enhancement | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: i think basic thing we need to facilitate here is config-drive support | 16:37 |
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| s3wong | a.) while undoubtedly you guys were impressed with our ability to recover the config upon reboot; that config in txt format was store as a string in DB | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | currently we have a openwrt / ssh based config support | 16:37 |
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| s3wong | 256 characters, I believe :-) | 16:37 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: agreed, a bit of a hack to get things going | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | config-drive support is lowest common denomintor, IMO | 16:38 |
| dgollub | #info dgollub works on a usecase document for the OpenStack TelcoWorking group for VNF bring-up /instantiation - so the VNF vendor get some OpenStack VNF reference to agree on | 16:38 |
| s3wong | dgollub: thanks | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | dgollub: cool, i briefly talked Steve Gordan and he suggest to that do. Thanks! | 16:39 |
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| dgollub | I would be interested in some mix of config-drive for the initial bring up .. and later (optionally) more detailed managed via netconf/yang in case someone wants to run those VNFs without SDN controller or so | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | dgollub: agree, we shd start with a simpler config-drive for the initial iteration.. | 16:41 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, dgollub: are you guys signing up for the task? | 16:41 |
| dgollub | yep | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | interaction with EMS and other southbounds like netconf/yang or SNMP needs further discussion | 16:41 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: you too? | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: are you interested to pitch in here ? | 16:42 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes, we can iterate and enhance as we go | 16:42 |
| sripriya | s3wong: i can help backed by sridhar_ram | 16:42 |
| s3wong | sripriya: cool, thanks | 16:42 |
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| s3wong | #action dgollub, sripriya with sridhar_ram's help to start looking at config driver and using config-drive as reference | 16:43 |
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| s3wong | Next item: TOSCA integration with Heat-Translator | 16:44 |
| s3wong | currently Tacker has a built-in interpreter of TOSCA | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: this is critical and very important for Tacker! | 16:44 |
| s3wong | after we wrote it, we found that (during the summit) Heat already has a functional TOSCA to Heat translator | 16:45 |
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| s3wong | and apparently, via the ML, Murano will have an interpreter as well | 16:45 |
| dgollub | we should drive some effort that we all maintain only one interpreter/translator | 16:46 |
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| s3wong | so, for the demo, we took the liberty and added some private tags (like service_type) in our TOSCA files | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: heat-translator used to be stackforge project and it got accepted into python-healtclient | 16:46 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: OK | 16:46 |
| s3wong | dgollub: +1 --- one of our main objective in Tacker is to NOT reinvent the wheel | 16:47 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: so it should be easy to incorporate via references to heat client? | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | transition to heat-translator is little easier to chew for the initial iteration | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | there are heat-translator APIs the tacker can invoke to feed the TOSCA and get a HOT template | 16:48 |
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| dgollub | anyone knows if there already exists TOSCA code in Murano? If there isn't any woring code yet, we might should just ignore it? | 16:48 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I haven't look at the heat-translator. But we do want existing functions to remain working once we move there. Can it do everything we need? | 16:49 |
| melisha | sridhar_ram: heat-translator is not just a client thing? It exposes APIs? | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | dgollub: we should plan to discuss Murano integration with some decent time to discuss. Shall we take that up for next week's IRC meeting Agenda? | 16:50 |
| s3wong | dgollub: doesn't sound like it. Vahid from IBM volunteered to do it, so it seems to me they don't have anything yet | 16:50 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes :-) I think we have enough tasks as is :-) | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | melisha: it offers APIs as well | 16:51 |
| dgollub | let's discuss it next week - I met the PLT at the summit and told them about tacker. I'm going to invite him for the next IRC meeting if you like | 16:51 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: though if you remember, the AT&T folks expressed interest on helping us with Murano integration | 16:51 |
| dgollub | Murano PLT ... | 16:51 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: don't think they are here... | 16:51 |
| s3wong | dgollub: that would be great. Please do | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: dgollub: Absolutely, Murano is very important for us | 16:52 |
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| dgollub | So lets have a Murnano agenda thing for next weeks meeting | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | but we need to put some thought and discuss that option.. | 16:52 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: so, are you going to look into heat-translator? | 16:52 |
| s3wong | dgollub: sure, will add that for next week's agenda | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | however .. transition from in-built translation to heat-translator is a smaller task | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yes, i'm interested in heat-translator integration | 16:53 |
| dgollub | I have concerns that Murano gets to big ... if they do TOSCA, orchestration, .... it becomes more and more HEAT + catalogue | 16:53 |
| s3wong | dgollub: yeah, Murano then becomes OpenStack MANO :-) | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | dgollub: that is my concern as well.. we depending too much on the *big* Murano.. it should be one of the options :) | 16:54 |
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| s3wong | #action sridhar_ram to look into heat-translator migration in Tacker | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | time check .. we have just 5 more mins on the clocks | 16:54 |
| s3wong | alright, we will also move HA discussion to next week | 16:55 |
| s3wong | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| s3wong | anything else to discuss? | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | quick update on tacker-horizon repo | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | the stackforge creation request is still pending on the openstack-infra team | 16:56 |
| dgollub | https://github.com/stackforge/tacker - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/tacker/ - are those the repos with the latest code? (At least the repo description still holds service-vm traces) | 16:56 |
| s3wong | dgollub: yes | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | dgollub: there is also https://github.com/stackforge/tacker-specs for blueprints | 16:57 |
| s3wong | dgollub: will need to sweep through the servicevm references and change them | 16:57 |
| dgollub | Are those also the repos where you did the mass-renaming already? There is only one change since the summit | 16:57 |
| s3wong | dgollub: we did the name change before the summit | 16:57 |
| dgollub | s3wong: ok cool - especially the repo description - this is something I can't change with a gerrit request I guess | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | dgollub: we are changing the servicevm --> vnf nomenclature as we go.. will keep doing it :) | 16:57 |
| s3wong | dgollub: but obviously not all references :-) | 16:57 |
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| s3wong | I think we should look into unit test. All these time we were cranking out functions, and did all testing on devstack. | 16:57 |
| s3wong | but Tacker by nature is a bit difficult to have "unit test", well --- at least the API and DB should have them | 16:58 |
| dgollub | +1 ... when I want to start hacking on a project the first thing I try is if the unit tests all pass ... if not -> bad first impression | 16:58 |
| s3wong | I will take a look at that (as it is just grunt work, so I don't want to subject new contributors to those) :-) | 16:58 |
| dgollub | I can help with that | 16:59 |
| s3wong | dgollub: wow, cool. Thanks! | 16:59 |
| s3wong | OK, time is almost up, anything else? | 16:59 |
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| s3wong | Thanks, everyone. Especially thanks for all those who agreed to do work. Talk to you guys next week | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | i think we are good! | 17:00 |
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| s3wong | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 17:00:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-04-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-04-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-04-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bye tacker team! | 17:00 |
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| s3wong | any question, don't hesitate to contact us on #tacker | 17:00 |
| s3wong | see you guys next week | 17:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 17:00 |
| bobh | bye - thanks | 17:01 |
| sripriya | thanks | 17:01 |
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| dkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 17:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 17:02 |
| dkranz | Who is here today? | 17:02 |
| riwinters | o/ | 17:03 |
| dkranz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_4th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | ok, not too many folks today, so let's get started | 17:03 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 17:04 |
| dkranz | #topic specs reviews | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:04 | |
| dkranz | I put in a link to the tempest plugin spec | 17:04 |
| dkranz | This is one of the big issues out of the summit for dealing with "big tent" | 17:04 |
| dkranz | Does any one have any comments about that? | 17:05 |
| dkranz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184992/ | 17:05 |
| dkranz | ok mtreinish I think will get to that when he gets back | 17:06 |
| dkranz | Any other specs to bring up? | 17:06 |
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| dkranz | ok, any blueprints to discuss? | 17:06 |
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| cdent | :) | 17:07 |
| dkranz | sdague, dtroyer : Anything to say about devstack or grenade today? | 17:07 |
| sdague | only a little | 17:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok | 17:09 |
| sdague | I've got some grenade out of tree plugin support up in a review, it's really rought | 17:09 |
| sdague | rough | 17:09 |
| sdague | the sahara, heat, and ironic folks are looking at using it | 17:09 |
| sdague | but my plate was full with other things this week, so I haven't made much progress on moving that forward yet | 17:09 |
| sdague | goal is L1 to get it all sorted though | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | sdague: sure. Have you heard anything from manila? They were interested in the tempest plugin | 17:10 |
| cdent | I'm hoping to join ceilometer to the grenade plugin party soon, but still warming up post-summit | 17:10 |
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| dkranz | cdent: great | 17:10 |
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| sdague | dkranz: I have not | 17:10 |
| cdent | related to that I'm officially the ceilo qa liaison now which should change nothing as I was effectively it already | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | cdent: ok, good to know | 17:11 |
| dkranz | sdague: I will check with mkoderer | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | sdague: while you are here, any suggestions on how we can get the tempest periodic jobs working? | 17:11 |
| dkranz | sdague: they have been busted for a month | 17:11 |
| sdague | dkranz: I don't know, I haven't looked at why they are broken | 17:12 |
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| sdague | and am unlikely to dive into it any time soon | 17:12 |
| dkranz | sdague: I asked in the infra channel but no one really responded and Matt said he had inquired as well | 17:12 |
| dkranz | sdague: I know, but it is an infra issue | 17:12 |
| sdague | do you know what's wrong with them? | 17:12 |
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| dkranz | sdague: They all fail with a missing directory. | 17:12 |
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| dkranz | sdague: But the jobs seem to run on the experimental queue ok | 17:12 |
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| dkranz | sdague: there is something about periodic and I think tempest may be the only project with such jobs | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'll provide more details and send something to the infra list | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: thanks | 17:14 |
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| dkranz | Does any one have anything else to discuss today? | 17:14 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: anything on the defcore side? | 17:14 |
| hogepodge | We have a new dev who's going to look at the flagged tests | 17:14 |
| hogepodge | Particularly glance images right now. | 17:15 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: yeah, have you looked at the boot-from-volume issue? | 17:15 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: there seems to be some lack of clarity about whether booting from glance is required | 17:15 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz: I haven't looked at much of anything since Vancouver. | 17:15 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: ok :) | 17:15 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: ok. I'll look into it. | 17:16 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: seems long ago already | 17:16 |
| hogepodge | If you have any links, I can get up to speed. | 17:16 |
| dkranz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1436314 | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436314 in tempest "Option to boot VM only from volume is not available" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Soumit (soumit-mishra) | 17:16 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: the question is whether tempest should be able to run against a cloud that has boot-from-volume only | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: right now there is a test that does boot from volume, but the image tests assume you can boot from an image | 17:17 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: ok. | 17:17 |
| dkranz | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
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| dkranz | Anything else some one wants to discuss? | 17:18 |
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| hogepodge | I'm going to write up a post proposing what it means to be an interop test. | 17:19 |
| sdague | no, I'm good, just digging out and figuring all the things I signed up for | 17:19 |
| dkranz | sdague: :) | 17:19 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: that would be helpful | 17:19 |
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| hogepodge | Just my point of view to try and be strategic about how we can create better api consistency across clouds. | 17:19 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: I still have this idea that we should be able to say that all of tempest is interoperable except for some tests we flag as not | 17:20 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz: there are issues with assumptions, though. | 17:20 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: and then defcore could specify what tempest config should say rather than listing tests | 17:20 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: If I want to test cloud x for interop, is it reasonable to force me to have access to two tenants? | 17:21 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: I would say that if there is an api that requires two tenants to test it, then yes. | 17:21 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: and there are such apis | 17:22 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: I think is we have the idea that interoperability is to be verified, we have to do that. What is the alternative? | 17:23 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz: depends on what you define as interoperability. | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: I assumed it was "this api can be used on any cloud that is OpenStack(TM)" | 17:24 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz: all apis will lose in practice. A subset, with expected behaviors, but with possible implementation differences is better. | 17:24 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: I just want to know if an application will run. | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: an application will run if it uses apis that are interoperable | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: I really don't understand. If an api is not working, then it is something that we declare to be non-interop, or there is a bug | 17:26 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: that's not the issue. The issue is some tests assume you have more access to resources than would be reasonable to expect. | 17:26 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: anyway, I'll take a look at your doc when it is ready | 17:26 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: I want to limit the max knowledge you need to have. Ideally, endpoint and credentials are all you should need. | 17:27 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz: we don't live anywhere in that world, though. | 17:27 |
| ekarlso | oh | 17:27 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: I agree, but there may need to be two. There can certainly be real applications involving vms from more than one tenant | 17:27 |
| ekarlso | while it's a meeting not to be rude but can I ask for a review +A and a release ? | 17:28 |
| ekarlso | of tempest lib | 17:28 |
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| dkranz | ekarlso: which one? | 17:28 |
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| ekarlso | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183999/ < been nagging about it for days and it's blocking designate's QA patches | 17:28 |
| ekarlso | s/QA/tempest | 17:28 |
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| dkranz | ekarlso: ok, I'll look right after the meeting | 17:29 |
| ekarlso | dkranz: we need a release also to use it.. | 17:29 |
| ekarlso | pretty please ! | 17:29 |
| dkranz | ekarlso: right | 17:29 |
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| dkranz | ekarlso: I am not sure I can do a release. mtreinish has been doing them I think | 17:30 |
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| dkranz | ekarlso: he is on Japan time this week | 17:30 |
| dkranz | Anything else to discuss, or reviews needed? | 17:30 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: please let me know when your document is available. I'd like to see your thoughts | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | ok, so we will end early today | 17:31 |
| dkranz | thanks every one | 17:32 |
| dkranz | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-06-04-17.02.txt | 17:32 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 19:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | Anyone here? | 19:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't have anything to talk about, but I'm here | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | ping: stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | hi | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | the agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#04_Jun_2015 | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | #topic open items | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | There were actually some from last week | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | the first is the volume v2, which Amey is making great progress on | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | not much else to say there | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | the second is about https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1459519, which IIRC is addressed in cliff by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186394/ | 19:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459519 in cliff "ERROR: openstack 'ArgumentParser' object has no attribute 'debug'" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Howe (thowe-g) | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | that's approved and probably needing a re-kick in gerrit after the restart | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | kicked | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | thx | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | that leaves the osc-plugin to cookiecutter conversion, which I have not started yet | 19:06 |
| terrylhowe | that solves the issue and then we get the pbr incompatibilty errror | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: do you know if the lib/dep releases this week will have changed that? | 19:07 |
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| terrylhowe | maybe I just need to upgrade stevedore and the oslo package | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | possibly | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | let's see where that falls out, it should probably hit before we actually get the release out so hopefully if it's broken we can still fix it... | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | which brings us to | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | #topic releases | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer | We had started the week intending for a quick 1.3.1 release to fix some bugs jamielennox had to support devstack using only identity v3 | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | that turned into implementing ec2 credentials v3 commands and a couple of other things, so 1.4.0 is next | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | as soon as one last fix gets through the gate | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | there was also a dependency on updating keystoneclients in global-requirements, which is now merged | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | so unless there is something else, I'll do 1.4.0 this afternoon | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, we need to update osc reqs too | 19:13 |
| stevemar | this guy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188501/ | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | oh, right. both ksc and occ? | 19:13 |
| stevemar | rechecking him now | 19:13 |
| stevemar | oh right occ too | 19:14 |
| stevemar | that pesky bot doesn't update often enough :) | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | the bot didn't propose an update to occ, curiously enough | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | if there isn't a depends-on in the commit message, don't recheck yet until 188417 is merged | 19:15 |
| stevemar | oh, partly because the occ is just merging now..... | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | the cliff re-kick dhellmann just did failed on the osc job, likely because of that | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | sigh, this must be what living inside a JSON serializer is like | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | :) | 19:16 |
| stevemar | can we chat about the osc-plugin cookie cutter? | 19:16 |
| stevemar | if you're done with this topic | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | if we're done with the release, sure. I'm done | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: go for it | 19:17 |
| stevemar | just wondering if we want another repo for this stuff, and what exactly will go in it | 19:17 |
| stevemar | osc-plugin or osc-base | 19:17 |
| stevemar | something the other plugin based CLIs can import, with not much bloat | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | that's what the cookiecutter is for, do you mean a working plugin repo? | 19:18 |
| stevemar | so they can get the utils (key-value parser, finding domain stuff, test things...) | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | oh, right | 19:18 |
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| dhellmann | so maybe split those things out of osc and make a new lib that can be used by osc and the plugins? | 19:18 |
| stevemar | a lot of them have just been copying and pasting the entire file over, or req'ing on OSC (way too big) | 19:19 |
| stevemar | yes dhellmann, that's what i meant :) | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | ew, no, we don't want either of those approaches -- yeah, let's figure out what should go into a lib | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | I'm still not convinced that another repo/package is the right thing to do there, is doing some sort of conditional import an option? | 19:19 |
| stevemar | conditional imports are dirty | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | if not osc-lib (or similar) is a good second for me | 19:19 |
| stevemar | a small shared lib wouldn't hurt | 19:19 |
| stevemar | imo anyway | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | if we don't want a new repo, we need to consider part of osc a lib and lock down its api with good tests so we can tell plugin authors its safe to import it | 19:20 |
| stevemar | bah, no we did that in ksc and it's uggo | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | I can see pros/cons to both approaches | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: I hope to do that with some parts anyway, but we don't want OSc in a requirements.txt anywhere to do that | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | but, yeah, being explicit about the lib contents by putting them into a lib is my preference | 19:20 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: how will plugins indicate which versions of osc they work with? | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | or vice versa | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | the plugin interface is unversioned atm, so that should probably happen | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | silly q, why would versioning be an issue, arent they just entry points? | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | yes, but there still are requirements on what needs to be implemented behind those entrypoints | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, i'll have some time next week to fiddle around with osc-lib (or whatever we call it) | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | so it sounds like we're all close enough to go in the osc-lib direction | 19:23 |
| stevemar | expect an etherpad, and i might move things in osc proper around | 19:23 |
| stevemar | i think it'll really help the folks who are doing osc plugin based CLIs | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: sounds good. I'm actually taking time off starting next Thursday and all of the following week | 19:24 |
| stevemar | i dont want to put too many requirements in there at all | 19:24 |
| stevemar | pfft, slacker | 19:24 |
| stevemar | i'll be at cloud identity summit next week | 19:24 |
| stevemar | so far i'll know no one there, yippie, lots of hacking time | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | that's what bar-time is for | 19:25 |
| stevemar | thats all i really wanted to talk about | 19:25 |
| stevemar | and amey is kicking ass with cinder commands | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, I can hardly keep up | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | #agreed stevemar will start investigating and prototyping osc-lib for use by external plugins | 19:26 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe, you get an honorable mention for functional tests too :) | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | i'm also pumped to see if jamie can pull off a v3 only devstack | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | that'll be interesting… | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188417/ just merged, so other osc jobs should pass again | 19:28 |
| stevemar | we should probably do a bug sweep, and an old review sweep | 19:28 |
| stevemar | i'll do those soonish | 19:28 |
| stevemar | i might ask for 2nd opinions | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | that's a good idea | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | blueprints too | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | speaking of which, | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | #blueprints | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | the only one I just remembered that we should mention is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/every-time-record-log-in-file | 19:29 |
| stevemar | right | 19:30 |
| stevemar | they have code too | 19:30 |
| stevemar | and adjusted their bp to meet our vague handwavey reqs | 19:30 |
| stevemar | i like that | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | I havent looked closely yet, so that's good to hear | 19:30 |
| stevemar | yeah the bp was updated based on summit feedback | 19:31 |
| stevemar | and the code looks decent too | 19:31 |
| stevemar | its still marked in WIP i think? | 19:31 |
| stevemar | yes, it is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186720/ | 19:31 |
| terrylhowe | looks like a good start | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | anyone want to take a look at that? even if it's WIP? | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | that's good to hear. I was a bit worried about what they wanted until we talked to them in YVR | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I don't think I'll have time to look before I go | 19:35 |
| terrylhowe | it needs a lot of work still | 19:35 |
| stevemar | work is okay :P | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | getting them the right feedback early would be helpful | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | any other blueprints? | 19:36 |
| stevemar | not blueprints, but one more issue | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | we had this come up on the mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065470.html | 19:37 |
| stevemar | and it looks like they took my suggestion to heart, now we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188285/ | 19:37 |
| stevemar | sigmavirus24, maybe you know more about this stuff? | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | I don't know how I feel about —or-update | 19:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh? | 19:38 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus24, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065470.html | 19:38 |
| stevemar | does glanceclient allow for many images with the same name? | 19:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yes it does | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | the fill-in-a-reservation-slot was intentional, the it also-replaces-existing-images I don't think was, on my part at least | 19:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | Names are not unique | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | so to clarify, is he talking about replacing an image not creating a new one, ie the same UUID? | 19:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | Pretty sure they were talking only about name | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | because I'm not sure we should want that | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | "if image with *name* specified for create already existed" | 19:40 |
| terrylhowe | create should create. not update | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | == terrylhowe | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | unless the service has non-unique names | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | er | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | unless the service has unique names | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 19:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | brain gas | 19:40 |
| stevemar | in osc (for image create only), we (for some reason) check to see if the image name already exists, and if does, then we do an update | 19:41 |
| stevemar | i don't like that ^ | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | so I think I need to actually play wiht this to make sure I understand what is going on. either way, I don't hear support for an —or-update option | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | i think we'll have to break the existing behaviour | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | that's to support the reservation thingy, but checking on name is probably wrong | 19:42 |
| stevemar | and let create do just that | 19:42 |
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| dtroyer | so I hear this: create should only create new images (UUIDs), modulo the reserved image behaviour, which is not what I think this is about | 19:44 |
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| stevemar | i think so | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | #info the desired behaviour of 'image create' in re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188285/ is to create new images and allow duplicate names | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | ok, moving on | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | gah, i can't believe it's done that way :( | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | I don't know how many times I've said that about glance stuffs | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | any other bugs to discuss here? | 19:48 |
| stevemar | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | "you're welcome"? | 19:48 |
| stevemar | none else from me | 19:48 |
| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | ok... | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | #open discussion | 19:50 |
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| terrylhowe | I wanted to ask about a OSC “config show” command | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | what else is on our colective minds? | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | was there a review on that or did I dream that? | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | Was there something in OCC to support printing the configuration maybe? | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer | you may be dreaming about my osc-debug plugin that does all sorts of stuff, including dumping out auth and other info | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | this would be convenient for testing OCC, env and cli opts | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | functionally | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | some of which should either get intot he main repo or an official debug-like plugin | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | yup, that's why I wrote it ;) | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | maybe that is what I was looking at | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | some of it though is also the kind of stuff that might be too much rope for some users, one reason I was hesitant to put it in the main repo | 19:52 |
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| dtroyer | exposing passwords and whatnot | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | that’s all. I’ll just look at that some more. | 19:52 |
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| dtroyer | be aware that if you load osc-debug, it'll really slow down your startup times. I don't leave it install all the time | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | I haven't looked at why it is so bad yet | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | anything else? | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | we have a whole five minutes to recover if not | 19:55 |
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| terrylhowe | nothing | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks everyone! | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 19:55:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-04-19.01.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-04-19.01.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-04-19.01.log.html | 19:56 |
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| stevemar | thanks for running it dtroyer ! | 19:56 |
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| mriedem | HI | 21:00 |
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| neiljerram | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Shall we start? | 21:00 |
| bauzas | :) | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 21:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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| mikal | Ok, so who is around for a nova meeting? | 21:00 |
| dpaterson | 0/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 21:01 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 21:01 |
| tjones1 | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal: ping | 21:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mikal | #topic Release Status | 21:01 |
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| alexpilotti | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | Ok, so John emailed out a set of Liberty deadlines and dates last night | 21:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | Some of those dates are proposed and open for discussion | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | For example, there is a spec review day proposed | 21:02 |
| mikal | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065819.html | 21:02 |
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| mikal | So, I'd encourage people with thoughts on that to just reply to his email instead of discussing it here | 21:02 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 21:02 |
| mikal | John also wanted to remind reviewers and sub-teams about the priority tracking etherpad | 21:02 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:03 |
| mikal | At the moment it has trivial bugs on it mostly, but we'd like to see priorities add things for review as they become ready | 21:03 |
| mikal | i.e. what we did in kilo, but in a new etherpad | 21:03 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | some of the priority owners are already on top of that | 21:03 |
| dansmith | like that upgrades guy | 21:03 |
| bauzas | yeah johnthetubaguy recently added it | 21:03 |
| bauzas | he moved the scheduler section on top | 21:04 |
| mikal | Yeah, the ordering of the page is a bit odd to me too | 21:04 |
| mikal | Like, having the trivial bugs in the middle | 21:04 |
| mikal | But whatevers, at least we're tracking _something_ | 21:04 |
| bauzas | mikal: prios first, then trivial bugs, then subteams which are not priority | 21:04 |
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| mikal | Oh, I see | 21:04 |
| sdague | dansmith: I can list my blog post for review :) | 21:04 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:04 |
| mikal | That makes sense | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | sdague: well, if you have nothing else to show for work, I guess :) | 21:05 |
| mikal | So I guess in all that, the most obvious thing to remind people of is that there is a spec approval deadline at liberty-1, which isn't that far away | 21:05 |
| mikal | So reviewers and authors of specs need to be on the ball there | 21:05 |
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| sdague | dansmith: better watch out or I'll sign you up for writing a ton of english | 21:06 |
| mikal | There is also a nova-specs review out to document the priorities, but it just matches the summit so no surprises there | 21:06 |
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| tonyb | mikal: Are we going to have an international specs review day again? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | sdague: you *know* I will be glad to nit out all your typos, you just told me to hold off :) | 21:06 |
| mikal | tonyb: so, what's happened in the past is we declare a date and the follow the sun with it | 21:07 |
| bauzas | tonyb: June 12th is proposed | 21:07 |
| sdague | edleafe already signed up, I just need to apply his edits | 21:07 |
| mikal | tonyb: i.e. June 12th we'd all spend in our local timezone | 21:07 |
| dansmith | sdague: I know that comment this morning was really prefixed with "dansmith: " :) | 21:07 |
| tonyb | Ahh I missed that date | 21:07 |
| mikal | tonyb: that's from John's email that happened over night | 21:07 |
| tonyb | mikal, bauzas: Thanks | 21:07 |
| mikal | tonyb: so, its understandable if you haven't seen it yet | 21:07 |
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| mikal | Ok, next... | 21:07 |
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| mikal | John has also gone mad with power and is attempting to document all the action items from summit sessions | 21:08 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 21:08 |
| mikal | It is a very very long list | 21:08 |
| mikal | And I don't think he's done every session yet | 21:08 |
| mikal | So, if you think you had an action item from the summit, or that you tricked dansmith into having an action item, it might be worth checking | 21:08 |
| bauzas | mikal: he said tonight that he was done | 21:08 |
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| mikal | Oh really? | 21:09 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:09 |
| sdague | yeh, he did the big push today to get it pulled together | 21:09 |
| mikal | So, the other thing is if you have 47 action items, now would be a good time to be honest about how much you can get done in a single cycle | 21:09 |
| mriedem | whew, only 46 | 21:09 |
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| mikal | This johnthetubaguy person has way too many things for example | 21:09 |
| sdague | yeh, I think that's my only concern on the action plan. johnthetubaguy has way too many things on that list | 21:09 |
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| mikal | So, I think we could volunteer to rescue him if we wanted | 21:10 |
| mikal | Unless watching him drown is funnier | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I'm quite sure he'll delegate some of those things | 21:10 |
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| mikal | So that moves us on to non-spec blueprint discussion unless there's anything else to cover here first | 21:11 |
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| mikal | Anything on dates, deadlines, action items, etc etc? | 21:11 |
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| mikal | Ok, moving on | 21:11 |
| mikal | #topic Non-spec blueprints | 21:11 |
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| mikal | First off, there is a request for the vmware console thing to get a trivial approval | 21:11 |
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| mikal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-console-log | 21:12 |
| mikal | So... | 21:12 |
| sdague | no API change right? | 21:12 |
| mikal | Sound of crickets | 21:12 |
| mikal | I don't think there's one | 21:12 |
| mikal | Anyone from vmware around to talk to this? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | the old change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149203/ | 21:13 |
| tjones1 | oops | 21:13 |
| sdague | if so I say fine | 21:13 |
| tjones1 | yes i am here | 21:13 |
| mriedem | it's pretty small | 21:13 |
| mriedem | can be tested with tempest once it's in | 21:13 |
| tjones1 | rado is in europe so he is alseep | 21:13 |
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| mikal | It complicates vmware deploys, but in a way which doesn't worry anyone else | 21:13 |
| mriedem | looks fine | 21:13 |
| mikal | So I think I am ok with it | 21:13 |
| mikal | Does anyone oppose a trivial approval? | 21:14 |
| tonyb | mikal: seems okay to me. | 21:14 |
| alaski | if it implements existing apis I'm good with it | 21:14 |
| cfriesen | I just posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188575/ for review as requested by johnthetubaguy....that's dropping support for booting multiple instances in one REST API call. It's mostly there as a place for having the discussion about whether or not we should do it at all. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i'd only ask if it requires a min version of vcenter | 21:14 |
| mriedem | but that could be handled in the review | 21:14 |
| mikal | Ok, approved | 21:14 |
| mikal | cfriesen: that sounds like open discussion at the end please | 21:15 |
| cfriesen | sure | 21:15 |
| bauzas | cfriesen: open discussion | 21:15 |
| bauzas | oops | 21:15 |
| tjones1 | thanks!! | 21:15 |
| mikal | I hope I did the approval right, we shall see | 21:15 |
| mikal | The other thing I wanted to discuss is config drive for PCS | 21:15 |
| mikal | So I realized yesterday that they want to add a new format for config drives | 21:15 |
| mikal | Namely ext4 | 21:15 |
| cfriesen | PCS? | 21:15 |
| mikal | Which worries me because I worry that operators and users will then expect other hypervisors to support ext3 as a config drive format | 21:16 |
| mikal | Parrallels Cloud Server | 21:16 |
| mikal | A parallels container thingie | 21:16 |
| mikal | ext4 would be hard for say hyper-v to support | 21:16 |
| dansmith | mikal: is there a reason not to support vfat or iso9660? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | you mean virtuozzo | 21:16 |
| dansmith | because yeah | 21:16 |
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| mikal | The problem being that PCS only supports ext4 filesystems | 21:16 |
| alexpilotti | yep, I’d -1 on ext4 | 21:16 |
| dansmith | yeah, me too | 21:16 |
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| alexpilotti | it’s not about Hyper-V, it’s about Windows images | 21:17 |
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| alexpilotti | running on whatever hypervisor | 21:17 |
| mikal | Yeah, they'd point out PCS can't use windows images, but I think we need to maintain a coherant set of options for all drivers here | 21:17 |
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| sdague | alexpilotti: but those aren't going to run on PCS | 21:17 |
| dansmith | +1 | 21:17 |
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| sdague | I'm not sure I get why it's an issue, config drive generation is completely hidden inside of nova, and can be specific per hypervisor right? | 21:18 |
| mikal | So, if people don't think I'm totally bonkers I might just start a mail thread about it | 21:18 |
| mikal | sdague: config drive is consumed by the instance | 21:18 |
| mikal | sdague: so if instances start assuming things about the filesystem | 21:18 |
| mikal | sdague: then that leaks across to other drivers | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | yep, wouldn't want kvm to start exposing ext3 config drives | 21:18 |
| mikal | sdague: i.e. say a tiny linux instance which doesn't want to include iso9660 or vfat support | 21:18 |
| alexpilotti | I’m perfectly fine, just asking not to implement it where Windows images are supported | 21:18 |
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| mikal | So the filesystem format is currently an admin falg | 21:19 |
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| mikal | So I think the counter argument is that users are just used to getting whatever they're handed | 21:19 |
| mikal | And probably don't think about it much | 21:19 |
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| sdague | yeh, I'd be really surprised if they care | 21:20 |
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| tonyb | How is this different to an ephemeral disk wheer we only support ext* and xfs? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | tonyb: the guest owns the ephemeral | 21:20 |
| mikal | Yeah, the config drive is populated by us and then handed over, its a data transmission format | 21:20 |
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| mikal | So, this now sounds like a mailing list thread to me | 21:21 |
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| tonyb | okay. | 21:21 |
| mikal | Unless anyone hates that plan | 21:21 |
| sdague | ML thread sounds right | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I hate it, but that's fine | 21:21 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck spec reviews | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck spec reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| mikal | So there is this placeholder heading where I think I am meant to ask about stuck spec reviews | 21:21 |
| mikal | Where stuck probably means "we will never agree in the review" | 21:22 |
| mikal | So, any of those? | 21:22 |
| mikal | ... | 21:22 |
| mriedem | no | 21:22 |
| mriedem | we all agree all the time | 21:22 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:22 |
| * cfriesen snickers | 21:22 | |
| mikal | Moving on then before someone argues against that statement | 21:23 |
| mikal | #topic Stable branch status | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:23 | |
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| mikal | The agenda says we're fine? | 21:23 |
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| mikal | Sounds like we are... | 21:23 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:23 | |
| mikal | What is our current doom factor? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | it's fine | 21:24 |
| mikal | Yay! | 21:24 |
| mikal | #topic Critical bugs | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:24 | |
| bauzas | nope | 21:24 |
| bauzas | zero | 21:24 |
| mriedem | bugs are fine | 21:24 |
| mikal | Even in novaclient? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | we released novaclient 2.26.0 yesterday with great success | 21:24 |
| mikal | Oh, look at that | 21:24 |
| mikal | So that's nice | 21:24 |
| mriedem | which deprecated the volume crap | 21:25 |
| sdague | woot | 21:25 |
| mikal | Fine then | 21:25 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:25 |
| bauzas | zero too | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:25 | |
| mikal | cfriesen: you had a thing? | 21:25 |
| mrda | Nothing critical in the Ironic driver, fwiw | 21:25 |
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| cfriesen | yeah, not critical, but there was a request for a spec to have a discussion around removing support for min_count and max_count from booting instances | 21:25 |
| cfriesen | so I wrote something up | 21:25 |
| mikal | cfriesen: cool, I will take a look later today | 21:26 |
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| mikal | In other news, there is some talk of the M mid-cycle being in Europe somewhere | 21:26 |
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| bauzas | yup | 21:26 |
| mikal | I think John is looking for thoughts on if that's a terrible idea or a fantastic idea | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I probably won't be there if so :( | 21:27 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: +1 | 21:27 |
| sdague | fine by me | 21:27 |
| neiljerram | Not sure how to comment on that.... but I'm in Europe, and it's quite nice sometimes. | 21:27 |
| edleafe | +1 to the idea, but I probably couldn't make it | 21:27 |
| mikal | So, I think people should tell John that | 21:27 |
| mikal | Especially if they think its a problem | 21:27 |
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| alaski | seems like a good idea, but I can't say whether or not I could make it | 21:27 |
| neiljerram | I guess it depends if Nova folk are very predominantly outside Europe. | 21:28 |
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| bauzas | it is also about costs | 21:28 |
| mikal | I think that's true | 21:28 |
| jlvillal | Low cost area is good. Prague, Budapest, Bucharest :) | 21:28 |
| mikal | And my impression is that Europe is generally more expensive for more people | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | i won't be there, but it's a decent idea | 21:29 |
| bauzas | I can try to see for some room blocks if possible | 21:29 |
| anteaya | budapest has good chocolatae | 21:29 |
| alexpilotti | we can happily host it in Transilvania | 21:29 |
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| bauzas | (speaking of Grenoble, by the winter season y'know) | 21:29 |
| * bauzas bribes | 21:29 | |
| mikal | Anyways, something for people to ponder | 21:29 |
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| mikal | John is also surveying people about the time for this meeting | 21:29 |
| mikal | He sent email, but the punch line is there is a doodle survey | 21:30 |
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| mikal | #link http://doodle.com/eyzvnawzv86ubtaw | 21:30 |
| mikal | So if you care about this meeting it might be a good idea to do one of those | 21:30 |
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| mikal | Although obviously I am only saying this to the people who can amke this time | 21:30 |
| mikal | Which is a bit self-reinforcing | 21:30 |
| anteaya | mikal: the email went out too | 21:30 |
| mikal | The final thing on the agenda is that John also wants bug tag owners to be more active | 21:31 |
| mikal | Either by doing that thing, or by some new people volunteering if people need a break | 21:31 |
| mikal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:31 |
| mikal | So if you're looking to add more bugs to your day, that might be a thing to sign up for | 21:31 |
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| jlvillal | Question: As an Ironic liaison. I am assuming that someone on Nova would tag a bug as Ironic related. Not our job to look at every Nova bug to figure out if it is Ironic related. | 21:32 |
| jlvillal | Is that correct? | 21:32 |
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| bauzas | jlvillal: yup | 21:32 |
| mikal | jlvillal: correctish | 21:32 |
| sdague | jlvillal: yes | 21:32 |
| mikal | The idea is someone is reading incoming bugs and tagging them | 21:32 |
| bauzas | jlvillal: provided someone does that :) | 21:32 |
| sdague | please just further triage that tag | 21:32 |
| * jlvillal Whew! | 21:32 | |
| mikal | But there is nothing stopping you from also doing that thing | 21:32 |
| sdague | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ironic currently 29 bugs | 21:32 |
| * jlvillal thinks, "Only hours in the day..." | 21:32 | |
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| bauzas | 38 new bugs need triage :) | 21:33 |
| mikal | Yeah, so I'd start with those... | 21:33 |
| mrda | sdague: jlvillal and I are working through that | 21:33 |
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| sdague | mrda: cool, awesome | 21:33 |
| mikal | And that's all we have on the agenda | 21:33 |
| mikal | Do people want an Early Mark? | 21:33 |
| sdague | yes | 21:33 |
| mikal | Or shall I waste 27 minutes rantinga bout how my feet are cold? | 21:33 |
| mikal | Cause they are | 21:33 |
| mikal | Even with socks | 21:33 |
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| * jlvillal waits to hear more ;) | 21:34 | |
| mikal | Don't encourage me | 21:34 |
| mrda | mikal: ugg boots are the answer :) | 21:34 |
| mikal | Going... | 21:34 |
| mikal | going... | 21:34 |
| mikal | gone. | 21:34 |
| neiljerram | Bye! | 21:34 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 21:34:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-06-04-21.00.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-06-04-21.00.txt | 21:34 |
| mrda | thanks! | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-06-04-21.00.log.html | 21:34 |
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| vnod | #startmeeting cloudpulse | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 23:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudpulse)" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudpulse' | 23:00 |
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| vnod | #topic rollcall | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: cloudpulse)" | 23:00 | |
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| vnod | vnod o/ | 23:01 |
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| pradeech | here | 23:02 |
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| pksingh__ | is this cloudpulse meeting? | 23:03 |
| vnod | yes. | 23:03 |
| vnod | we are waiting for few more folks | 23:03 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: ok thanks :) | 23:04 |
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| vnod | hello guys | 23:05 |
| vnod | this is our first meeting, we will start with some intro | 23:05 |
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| vnod | #topic introduction | 23:05 |
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| vnod | I am Vinod, interested in provide light weight health API to applications and operator | 23:06 |
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| pradeech | Pradeep here. interested in getting to know what cloud pulse is, and how useful it will be | 23:07 |
| Ajay_ | Ajay here. Interested in monitoring solutions for openstack since i test HA and things break | 23:07 |
| vnod | pksingh what are your areas of interest ? | 23:08 |
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| pksingh__ | i basically interseted in how its going to work, means what it is and how will it ork | 23:08 |
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| vnod | hello Jinay | 23:09 |
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| sdake_ | hey guys sorry i'm late | 23:09 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 23:10 |
| Jinay | Jinay here..looking forward to know what cloudpulse is and how useful would it be for HA testing? | 23:10 |
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| vnod | ok. thanks guys lets move to announcements | 23:11 |
| vnod | #topic announcements | 23:11 |
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| vnod | we are starting new project and starting to looking for people to join core team | 23:11 |
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| sdake_ | i'm in for the core team | 23:13 |
| sdake_ | atleast for 3 month commitment | 23:13 |
| vnod | thanks sdake_ | 23:13 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: i would like to be part of the core team | 23:13 |
| vnod | thanks pksingh_ | 23:14 |
| vnod | thanks pksingh__ | 23:14 |
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| vnod | #topic Healthcheck API | 23:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Healthcheck API (Meeting topic: cloudpulse)" | 23:15 | |
| vnod | Implement basic API to create test, run test and query result | 23:15 |
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| vnod | blueprint: | 23:15 |
| sdake_ | there are probably some blueprints that need to roll out of this | 23:15 |
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| vnod | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cloudpulse/+spec/cloudpulse-api-handler | 23:16 |
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| sdake_ | that needs to be broken up into seprate blueprints imo | 23:16 |
| vnod | sdake_ agreed, | 23:17 |
| sdake_ | i'm thinking at bare minimum a wsme api handler | 23:17 |
| sdake_ | i'll take an action to file a blueprint for that | 23:17 |
| vnod | sdake_ thanks | 23:18 |
| vnod | Implement datamodel | 23:18 |
| vnod | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cloudpulse/+spec/datamodel | 23:18 |
| vnod | I have assigned this to myself | 23:18 |
| vnod | Spells out the db table structure for CRUD operations on the test-data | 23:19 |
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| sdake_ | needs multiple blueprints as well | 23:19 |
| pksingh__ | sdake_: agreed | 23:20 |
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| sdake_ | one of them will be alembic | 23:20 |
| sdake_ | i'll take an action to file that blueprint | 23:20 |
| sdake_ | vnod type #action sdake file alembic blueprint | 23:20 |
| sdake_ | that way I remember later whe nI look at the logs :) | 23:21 |
| vnod | #action sdake file alembic blueprint | 23:21 |
| vnod | and one more for conductor (all write access to db) | 23:21 |
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| vnod | any volunteers for conductor ? | 23:21 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: is there any blue print for that | 23:21 |
| vnod | not yet | 23:22 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: i would like to handle this | 23:22 |
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| sdake_ | we need another blueprint, the db impelmentation - i'll take that | 23:22 |
| vnod | thanks pksingh__ sdake_ | 23:23 |
| sdake_ | blueprint title might be db-backend | 23:23 |
| sdake_ | vnod use #action sdake to file db-backend blueprint | 23:23 |
| vnod | sdake_ I have started implementation for db and sql-alchemy | 23:23 |
| sdake_ | vnod nice, then you take that :) | 23:23 |
| vnod | based on the datamodel blueprint | 23:24 |
| sdake_ | we will need to integrate that with alembic | 23:24 |
| vnod | sdake_ yes | 23:24 |
| sdake_ | these should all be separate blueprints | 23:24 |
| sdake_ | and use the data model as the master blueprint - launchpad supports dependencies | 23:24 |
| vnod | #action pksingh__ to file conductor | 23:24 |
| vnod | ok moving to next blueprint | 23:24 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: thanks :) | 23:25 |
| vnod | operator tests | 23:25 |
| Ajay_ | I can work on that Vinod | 23:25 |
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| vnod | blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cloudpulse/+spec/operator-tests | 23:25 |
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| vnod | thanks Ajay_ | 23:25 |
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| vnod | #topic python CLI | 23:26 |
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| vnod | steven martinelli asked us to python-openstack client | 23:27 |
| sdake_ | need a shell and an object implemtnation for each object | 23:27 |
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| vnod | we need blue prints for that | 23:27 |
| vnod | any volunteers | 23:27 |
| sdake_ | i don't know how to tackle that one ;) | 23:27 |
| sdake_ | lets integrate with osc clients later? | 23:27 |
| pradeech | I can work on that | 23:27 |
| sdake_ | is osc a plugin model or something? | 23:28 |
| vnod | pradeech thanks, can you file a blueprint | 23:28 |
| sdake_ | i'd like to have discussion on this point | 23:28 |
| sdake_ | does anyone know how osc works | 23:28 |
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| sdake_ | pradeech? | 23:28 |
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| vnod | sdake_ we need to investigate that part, I will leave it to pradeech | 23:28 |
| pradeech | vnod yes. will do it | 23:28 |
| sdake_ | wfm ;) | 23:29 |
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| sdake_ | anytime someone has an action, #action it :) | 23:29 |
| sdake_ | the log will provide a nice way to check actions in the next weekly meeting and check on progress | 23:30 |
| vnod | type #action pradeech file blueprint openstackclient | 23:30 |
| sdake_ | leave out the type part ;) | 23:30 |
| vnod | copy and paste :) | 23:30 |
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| vnod | #action pradeech file blueprint openstackclient | 23:30 |
| vnod | ok moving to next BP | 23:31 |
| vnod | API tests | 23:31 |
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| stevemar | sdake_, dtroyer and i could answer any osc related questions (we can circle back to the topic) | 23:31 |
| vnod | stevemar thanks | 23:32 |
| sdake_ | stevemar will do off line - i'm not sure what best practice is with osc, I thought it involved making a python-xyzclient and then integrating that in osc | 23:32 |
| sdake_ | stevemar is that not bp? | 23:32 |
| stevemar | sdake_, thats the right idea, i dont want to interrupt you guys, i'll be around when the meeting ends | 23:32 |
| sdake_ | now is a good time to discuss it imo :) | 23:32 |
| sdake_ | that way there is a record | 23:33 |
| vnod | ok. lets do it now | 23:33 |
| sdake_ | teach us the wisdom stevemar ;) | 23:33 |
| sdake_ | or knowledge rather ;-) | 23:33 |
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| sdake_ | stevemar if you could give us a 3-5 minute description of what to do here, that would be fantaistic :) | 23:34 |
| stevemar | sure sure | 23:34 |
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| stevemar | so we're trying to push folks to create osc plugins instead of copying and pasting the shell.py/cli.py that's been going around since novaclient 0.1 :) | 23:35 |
| stevemar | you would still need to create python-cloudpulseclient | 23:35 |
| stevemar | to perform all the API calls and such, like the other clients | 23:35 |
| sdake_ | we have the repo but its empty | 23:35 |
| stevemar | but instead of bundling your own shell, you can use OSC | 23:36 |
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| sdake_ | so osc becomes the shell then? | 23:36 |
| stevemar | the benefits are 1) we handle authorization, and 2) consistency across all projects | 23:36 |
| stevemar | yep | 23:36 |
| sdake_ | and we still have a python language binding? | 23:36 |
| stevemar | yes sir | 23:36 |
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| vnod | ok, we have some code for cloudpulseclient, it looks like we can reuse it | 23:36 |
| sdake_ | nice | 23:36 |
| stevemar | you still create the commands... we can't handle all the commands for all projects | 23:36 |
| sdake_ | pradeech did you have any Qs while we are grilling stevemar :) | 23:37 |
| stevemar | but you just create entry points in setup.cfg and openstackclient is smart enough to pick it up | 23:37 |
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| pradeech | sdake_ I will reach out stevemar after the meeting for any other questions | 23:37 |
| stevemar | congressclient is using it https://github.com/openstack/python-congressclient/#client-for-standalone-congress | 23:37 |
| sdake_ | nice thanks for helping us do it right stevemar | 23:38 |
| pksingh__ | sorry guys i got disconnected somehow | 23:38 |
| stevemar | zaqar is using it too | 23:38 |
| sdake_ | stevemar just as a side note, we probably need to do the same thing with magnum | 23:38 |
| vnod | pksingh__ we are discussing Openstackclient CLI | 23:38 |
| sdake_ | we can talk later about taht :) | 23:38 |
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| stevemar | sorry to spam, but a bit more info and real samples... | 23:38 |
| sdake_ | spam awa y:) | 23:39 |
| vnod | stevemar thanks for helping out | 23:39 |
| stevemar | heres a sample setup.cfg which indicates the entry points: https://github.com/openstack/python-congressclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L26-L31 | 23:39 |
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| stevemar | those are analogous to 'commands' | 23:39 |
| stevemar | so to run congress_policy_create, you run it as "$ openstack congress policy create" | 23:39 |
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| stevemar | here's the code it invokes: https://github.com/openstack/python-congressclient/blob/master/congressclient/osc/v1/policy.py#L62-L78 | 23:40 |
| stevemar | and here's the entire plugin: https://github.com/openstack/python-congressclient/blob/master/congressclient/osc/osc_plugin.py a whopping 54 lines :) | 23:40 |
| vnod | ok got it | 23:40 |
| sdake_ | nice | 23:40 |
| sdake_ | glad we got that on the record | 23:40 |
| stevemar | the only issue we've hit so far is naming things | 23:40 |
| sdake_ | that should help pradeech emmesnly | 23:40 |
| pradeech | thanks stevemar | 23:40 |
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| stevemar | swift came before docker, and they both use the word 'containers', that got icky :( | 23:41 |
| stevemar | but things can have more than 1 word for a name, like 'security group' or 'access tokens' | 23:41 |
| stevemar | anywho | 23:41 |
| stevemar | thats just over 5 mintues :) | 23:41 |
| sdake_ | nice timebox :) | 23:42 |
| vnod | thanks stevemar, any questions to stevemar, otherwise we can move to next blueprint | 23:42 |
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| vnod | next blueprint: API tests | 23:42 |
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| vnod | Anand shanmugam volunteered for this, he can't make it (india timezone) | 23:43 |
| vnod | should be there next week | 23:43 |
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| sdake_ | woudl you mind adding an action for him since he communicated it offline | 23:43 |
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| vnod | #action anshanmu file blueprint api-tests | 23:44 |
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| vnod | ok, we have covered all blueprints | 23:44 |
| vnod | any questions on blueprints so far ? | 23:44 |
| sdake_ | nice time for some beer and peanuts | 23:44 |
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| vnod | all for that | 23:45 |
| vnod | #topic opendiscussion | 23:45 |
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| sdake | after we get these blueprints filed, I assume peopel will start working on them? | 23:45 |
| sdake | or what is the next step | 23:46 |
| sdake | do they need to be approved first | 23:46 |
| vnod | yes, can we use gerrit review ? | 23:46 |
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| sdake | cool so should wait for approvel from the ptl? | 23:46 |
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| sdake | typically projects put the blueprint in discussions tate | 23:46 |
| vnod | no any core can approve | 23:46 |
| sdake | peopel add the whiteboard | 23:46 |
| sdake | but Ithink we are in agreement they should be worked on | 23:47 |
| pksingh__ | is there any time limit for the implementation? | 23:47 |
| vnod | and we can discuss in IRC | 23:47 |
| vnod | pksingh__ good question | 23:47 |
| sdake | time liits in open source lol | 23:47 |
| vnod | we want the basic functionality to be done by Libery L1 | 23:47 |
| sdake | june 25th for those watching at home | 23:47 |
| vnod | but conductor can be added later | 23:47 |
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| sdake | IMO l2 seems more realistic :) | 23:47 |
| pksingh__ | vnod: ok :) | 23:48 |
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| sdake | for basic functionality | 23:48 |
| sdake | for this round of blueprints tho, I agree with vnod, l1 is doable lets do it :) | 23:48 |
| vnod | sdake L1 is stretch goal, but lets try the basic functionality | 23:48 |
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| vnod | ok any other topic ? | 23:49 |
| sdake | i have quick q | 23:49 |
| sdake | will we be thinking of adding healthchecking cross-service long term? | 23:49 |
| sdake | eg, have nova check its own health | 23:49 |
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| vnod | yes. that is covered in the API-tests blue print | 23:49 |
| sdake | what I mean is add an api to the nova apis to check its health | 23:50 |
| sdake | not rely on existing apis | 23:50 |
| sdake | someone from the community had this idea onthe ml | 23:50 |
| sdake | and I think its a good one | 23:50 |
| sdake | clealry not in liberty timeframe | 23:50 |
| sdake | but long term project goal | 23:50 |
| vnod | No, we are relying on nova service-list neutron net-list etc.. | 23:50 |
| vnod | for L1 | 23:50 |
| sdake | agree with l1/l2/l3 objectives | 23:51 |
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| sdake | talking long term | 23:51 |
| vnod | but long term we need to work with community to get those health apis | 23:51 |
| sdake | eg whatever is in M | 23:51 |
| vnod | are there blueprints for other openstack services for health | 23:51 |
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| sdake | nope | 23:51 |
| sdake | we would hae to do that work | 23:51 |
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| vnod | ok | 23:52 |
| sdake | but there woudl be high value in it | 23:52 |
| sdake | something to keep in mind as you fearlessly lead us :) | 23:52 |
| vnod | sdake agreed, we should get those blueprints in | 23:52 |
| sdake | i htink now is too early for those blueprints | 23:52 |
| sdake | but its alway sgood to know whereyour headed | 23:52 |
| vnod | hmm. | 23:52 |
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| sdake | ok thanks i'm done with my questions :) | 23:53 |
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| vnod | thanks sdake | 23:53 |
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| vnod | for folks, we are available on #openstack-cloudpulse | 23:54 |
| vnod | IRC channel | 23:54 |
| vnod | feel free to shoot your questions there | 23:54 |
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| vnod | thanks everyone for coming to our cloudpulse. | 23:54 |
| vnod | #endmeeting | 23:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 23:55:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-04-23.00.html | 23:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-04-23.00.txt | 23:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudpulse/2015/cloudpulse.2015-06-04-23.00.log.html | 23:55 |
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