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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 11 15:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | last monday meeting prior to summit | 15:00 |
| anteaya | if anyone in additon to myself is here | 15:00 |
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| wznoinsk | hi anteaya | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello wznoinsk | 15:01 |
| * ctlaugh_ is here | 15:01 | |
| anteaya | welcome ctlaugh_ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:01 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:01 |
| ctlaugh_ | great, thank you | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:02 |
| anteaya | do we have anything to discuss today? | 15:02 |
| ctlaugh_ | I just wanted to make sure I know when all the third-party -related sessions are | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | good idea | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | not sure if asselin is about yet | 15:03 |
| asselin_ | hi | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh_, I have a partial list here -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-third-party-ci-working-group | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | hey asselin_ | 15:04 |
| lennyb | hey | 15:04 |
| anteaya | have you a link to the schedule? | 15:04 |
| asselin_ | ctlaugh_, there's a few infra sessions for the common ci solution: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-liberty-summit-planning | 15:04 |
| anteaya | hey lennyb I need to discuss your account after we address the summit questions | 15:04 |
| anteaya | asselin_: did that get posted to the main schdule yet, do you know? | 15:04 |
| lennyb | anteaya: np | 15:04 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, not sure | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | not as of this morning | 15:05 |
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| ctlaugh_ | krtaylor: The session where these (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-third-party-ci-working-group) were going to be discussed is what I wanted to make sure I had on my list. Is there a time / location for it? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Infrastructure#.VVDFqeQnFz0 | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh_, it didnt get scheduled | 15:08 |
| anteaya | the 3:10pm and 4:10pm sessions are thursday | 15:08 |
| anteaya | the main focus of these two sessions is furthering asselin_'s work | 15:09 |
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| krtaylor | ctlaugh_, it didn't make the cut, but we have the BoF to attend for cross-project topics | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | to refactor openstack's infrastructure modules so they are consumable by everyone | 15:09 |
| asselin_ | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 15:09 |
| anteaya | including openstack's infrastructure team | 15:09 |
| asselin_ | lot's going on now | 15:10 |
| anteaya | this is really important | 15:10 |
| ctlaugh_ | Sorry... BoF? | 15:10 |
| anteaya | and we need to focus on this | 15:10 |
| asselin_ | and this | 15:10 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178887/ | 15:10 |
| anteaya | asselin_: thanks | 15:10 |
| anteaya | asselin_: I believe openstack's log server is now driving your module? | 15:10 |
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| fbo | hi o/ | 15:11 |
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| asselin_ | yes...fully merged and live! | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | yay | 15:12 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 15:12 |
| anteaya | hi fbo | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, thanks :) | 15:12 |
| anteaya | so this is a huge step forward for all of us | 15:12 |
| anteaya | and is just the beginning of the work that needs to happen | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | so the more focus we can have on asselin_'s work, the better for everyone | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000101 | 15:13 |
| anteaya | remember these are working sessions | 15:13 |
| anteaya | show up prepared to work, reviewing, testing, writing | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | stories are being tracked here^^ | 15:13 |
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| asselin_ | nodepool & apache are looking for owners | 15:14 |
| tristanC | oh hi, so what's the "Refactor apache" story about ? | 15:14 |
| devvesa | I have to apologize to haven't started mine yet | 15:14 |
| devvesa | I am committed to do something this week | 15:15 |
| anteaya | devvesa: no apologies, and yay | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | devvesa: stay in communication and tell us how we can help you, or ask if you hit a block or mind blank | 15:15 |
| devvesa | sure I'll do | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | tristanC, actually...that one may be a noop...but there for completeness | 15:15 |
| anteaya | devvesa: thanks | 15:16 |
| anteaya | asselin_: did you want to expand with some notes to that effect? just so we don't have a trip hazard | 15:16 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, ?? trip hazard?? | 15:16 |
| anteaya | asselin_: trip hazard, something that is observable but only serves to show people that it is usless | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | time waster, noop that appears to be an actual task | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I have more | 15:17 |
| tristanC | asselin_: oh well, system-config has a dependency on puppetlabs-apache 0.0.4 which is pretty old.... I was wondering if it would be possible to work toward a more recent version. | 15:17 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, well...the task is really to investigate and see what needs to be done, if anything. | 15:18 |
| tristanC | but it may be to much of a work for now | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | I don't consider that a trip hazard | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: ah okay, you had said noop | 15:18 |
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| clarkb | tristanC newer versions lack features | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | tristanC, I remember reading that infra did not want to upgrade b/c the newer versions "do too much magic" | 15:19 |
| clarkb | we have the openstack-infra "fork" of 0.0.4 under a dofferent name to avoid conflicts with newer apache module though | 15:19 |
| clarkb | asselin_ and lack features | 15:19 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, may be noop.... | 15:20 |
| clarkb | basic issue is 0.0.4 allows you to do arbitrary things to vhosts. newer module versions drop that support and push more thibgs ibto puppet resources which is sad times if you need large sets of mod rewrite rules for example | 15:21 |
| anteaya | can we get some notes in storyboard to reflect this information? | 15:21 |
| anteaya | and perhaps we can earmark this work for some work during the work times at summit? | 15:22 |
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| tristanC | clarkb: oh I see, thanks for the details. | 15:22 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, not sure storyboard has a place to add notes. The spec explains what needs to be done for each module. | 15:23 |
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| asselin_ | (generically) | 15:23 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:23 |
| anteaya | this one seems to be a bit of an outlier though, yes? | 15:23 |
| anteaya | or did I mis-interpret this conversation | 15:24 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, well...I haven't done a thorough investigation, so I should take back my noop statement until that is done. | 15:25 |
| anteaya | okay can we identify this task as something taht should be discussed at summit? | 15:25 |
| anteaya | or do folks disagree? | 15:26 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, I don't think this one needs particular attention until an investigation shows there is a need. | 15:27 |
| anteaya | okay fair enough | 15:27 |
| anteaya | let's move on then | 15:27 |
| tristanC | well to be honest, functional testing of puppet module seems more important atm | 15:27 |
| anteaya | tristanC: okay that has scheduled time as well | 15:27 |
| tristanC | I find it hard to review other downstream-puppet changes without tests | 15:28 |
| anteaya | thursday 11:50am | 15:28 |
| anteaya | tests are good | 15:28 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: asselin_ we haven't started migrating things to use httpd yet, but we should | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | does that have an etherpad, plan or gerrit topic yet? | 15:29 |
| nibalizer | it sounds like testing will get agreed to in some form at a fishbowl session at the summit so after that we can get testing in place | 15:29 |
| anteaya | well it will be discussed | 15:29 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: no, its much less important (imho) than the other puppety infra efforts | 15:29 |
| anteaya | hopefully there will be agreement | 15:29 |
| anteaya | okay, I find it hard to follow up on things without a reference of some sort | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | so if you feel migrating things needs to happen, and I support that, some form of reference to help people see status and know what to do next is helpful | 15:30 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, testing effort is being currently https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178887/discussed in the spec proposal: | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178887 | 15:31 |
| anteaya | great thanks asselin_ | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, I believe the fishbowl session is intended to get agreement on that spec | 15:31 |
| anteaya | yes, that is my understanding as well | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | tristanC, in the meantime, I (and others) have been using the simple bash script approach to testing. | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | tristanC, better than nothing, but doesn't seem to be the desired long-term approach | 15:32 |
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| asselin_ | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169117/ | 15:33 |
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| tristanC | asselin_: oh well, I used those script to make sure manifest still applying after edits, so they are usefull but feels very temporary | 15:33 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169117/ | 15:33 |
| fbo | asselin_, do you think we can go with the simple shell script to test or wait for a proper selected solution ? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | we are one week out from summit | 15:33 |
| anteaya | and possible agreement on a solution | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | tristanC, fbo imho we need the simple shell script as a separate dependent patch to test | 15:34 |
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| asselin_ | and we can abandon once the real approach is decided and implemented | 15:34 |
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| fbo | asselin_, ok well I'll do that for the zuul manifest | 15:34 |
| anteaya | can I encourage folks to review clarkb's latest spec? | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | for the log server...those tests found issues that we able to be resolved before merge. | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | and they're really not that much effort to write | 15:35 |
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| asselin_ | so even if temporary, they're helpful | 15:35 |
| anteaya | and please review clarkb's latest patchset for the testing spec | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | and definitely better than nothing | 15:36 |
| anteaya | glad you are championing testing | 15:36 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:36 |
| anteaya | do we have more to say in this topic? | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they want to discuss about summit? | 15:37 |
| anteaya | keep in mind the infra work sessions are ment for work, not for a huge crowd and general discussion | 15:37 |
| anteaya | meant | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | are we done talking about summit? | 15:38 |
| anteaya | okay, let's move on | 15:38 |
| anteaya | lennyb: glad you are here | 15:38 |
| anteaya | lennyb: can you look at your wikipage please? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Mellanox_CI | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | who here's going to the summit? | 15:39 |
| anteaya | I will be at the summit | 15:39 |
| lennyb | anteaya: yes | 15:39 |
| fbo | asselin_, Unfortunately I won't be there | 15:39 |
| anteaya | lennyb: do you see it no loger renders as a table | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | fbo: no | 15:39 |
| anteaya | fbo: I thought for sure you would be there | 15:39 |
| anteaya | fbo: :( | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | tristanC: will you be there? | 15:40 |
| tristanC | anteaya: yes! | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: no longer renders as a table | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | tristanC: great | 15:40 |
| anteaya | whew | 15:40 |
| lennyb | anteaya, yes. I will fix it. | 15:40 |
| fbo | anteaya, I apologize but be sure I'll continue to work on that effort :) | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | ctlaugh_, ? | 15:40 |
| anteaya | lennyb: great | 15:40 |
| ctlaugh_ | yes - I will be there | 15:40 |
| anteaya | fbo: oh I sense you would be there if you could | 15:40 |
| lennyb | question regarding latest gerrit update | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | devvesa, ? | 15:40 |
| anteaya | fbo: I just really wanted to see you again | 15:40 |
| anteaya | lennyb: go ahead | 15:41 |
| lennyb | We have started to see the following error: ERROR zuul.GerritEventConnector: Received unrecognized event type 'ref-replicated' from Gerrit. any ideas ? | 15:41 |
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| fbo | anteaya, Yes but I cannot for this time | 15:41 |
| clarkb | I think that means you need to upgrade zuul? | 15:42 |
| anteaya | fbo: understood | 15:42 |
| clarkb | the gerrit version we just upgraded to has replication events on the stream events notifier. Your zuul doesn't understand those events but latest should | 15:42 |
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| devvesa | asselin_: yes. I'm going to the summit | 15:42 |
| lennyb | I have the latest zuul from the github ( I think ) 2.0.0.post386 | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: what is the latest version of zuul? | 15:43 |
| clarkb | oh if it is latest then maybe zuul doesn't understand, in that case it should be fine its would just discard the event if it doesn't understand it | 15:44 |
| anteaya | lennyb: what is happening on the error, do you just see it in logs, or do things cease to happen? | 15:44 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: I believe just logs. | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | okay perhaps it is clarkb says then and zuul will just discard the event if it doesn't understand it | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: is that fair? | 15:46 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: yes, I just want to minimize a chance of our false alarms :) | 15:47 |
| anteaya | good call | 15:47 |
| anteaya | and yes perfectly fine and encouraged to ask about new behaviour | 15:47 |
| anteaya | well done | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | so after you fix your wikipage, link me once you have, please talk with nova developers | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | as I don't know what moshele had agreed when (s)he talked with jogo to get your account re-enabled | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | and I'm not supportive of status updates sent to mailing lists, they go on the wikipage | 15:49 |
| anteaya | so I will be denying the post you sent to -announce | 15:49 |
| anteaya | it is best if you talk to developers in the projects to test | 15:49 |
| anteaya | so they know and agree with your decisions | 15:49 |
| anteaya | does that make sense? | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | do you know anyone in neutron yet? | 15:49 |
| lennyb | btw, the issue that we had with 'merge failure' was very strange. We already talked with nova developers including jogo, our account is enabled, but I am still running silent to see that there are no 'merge fail' comments that wi poet | 15:50 |
| anteaya | great | 15:50 |
| anteaya | so rather than communicating that to a mailing list, use your wikipage and irc channels | 15:50 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 15:50 |
| lennyb | ok | 15:50 |
| anteaya | do you know anyone in neutron yet? | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | right now you aren't in either #openstack-nova nor #openstack-neutron | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | please join those channels and be available for the developers to talk to you | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | after this meeting I can introduce you to some neutron folks in #openstack-neutron | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | it would be good for you to meet them | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | okay let's move on | 15:52 |
| lennyb | I know. it's technical irc client issue | 15:52 |
| anteaya | lennyb: ah okay | 15:52 |
| lennyb | anteaya: thanks | 15:52 |
| anteaya | lennyb: do ask in #openstack-dev if you need a hand to get irc client issues sorted | 15:52 |
| anteaya | it is an important tool to have working | 15:53 |
| anteaya | moving on | 15:53 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | reminder that next week's meeting in this time slot is cancelled due to summit | 15:53 |
| anteaya | the next meeting in this time slot will be May 25th | 15:54 |
| anteaya | nothing more to discuss today? | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | thanks everyone for your participation | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | if you can't be at summit, follow along on etherpads so you can stay involved | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | and since we have nothing more to discuss, let's end here | 15:55 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone, enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:55 |
| anteaya | see you in 2 weeks | 15:55 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| sarob | hello hello | 17:02 |
| rluethi | right | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey sarob | 17:02 |
| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 11 17:02:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| sayalilunkad | hey | 17:02 |
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| sarob | so whats in the review queue? | 17:03 |
| sarob | review patch size.. | 17:04 |
| sarob | cool | 17:04 |
| sarob | looks like only my old patches are pending | 17:04 |
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| sarob | im running a not enough sleep | 17:05 |
| matjazp | sarob: can you guys look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181445/ | 17:05 |
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| sarob | pretty | 17:05 |
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| sarob | looks good | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | if the look is ok, I'll copy it to the training guides | 17:05 |
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| sarob | +2 | 17:06 |
| sarob | do we have a second | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | reed has Upstream training this weekend, right? | 17:06 |
| sarob | yup | 17:07 |
| sarob | im going to help him on sunday | 17:07 |
| sarob | flying in on saturday | 17:07 |
| matjazp | there will be some patches few days before, right? we should prepare and review them ASAP | 17:07 |
| sarob | okay | 17:08 |
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| sayalilunkad | sarob: we have the session on monday | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | what about html publishing? currently they are not published anywhere? | 17:09 |
| sayalilunkad | we need to prepare material for that? | 17:09 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: yeah i wanted to disucss thtat | 17:09 |
| sarob | i put our design session on top of the ambassador talk | 17:09 |
| sarob | cause im stupid | 17:09 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: yeah we should. pranav is not here unfortunately | 17:09 |
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| sayalilunkad | lol | 17:10 |
| sarob | is there another time that could work for everyone? | 17:10 |
| sarob | maybe friday? | 17:10 |
| sayalilunkad | Pranav had sent an email, we can decide on that perhaps? | 17:10 |
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| sarob | which where? | 17:11 |
| sayalilunkad | Friday might be a bit late, maybe thursday? | 17:11 |
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| sarob | shirely | 17:11 |
| sayalilunkad | docs ml | 17:11 |
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| sarob | i only see the rabbit-mg one | 17:13 |
| sarob | mq | 17:13 |
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| sayalilunkad | it is in reply to your not being able to attend the meeting last week | 17:13 |
| sarob | oh okay | 17:14 |
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| sarob | oops missed that one | 17:14 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: i just replied to that one | 17:14 |
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| sarob | great to be prepared | 17:14 |
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| sayalilunkad | sarob: yeah | 17:15 |
| sarob | reduankulous | 17:15 |
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| sarob | i have my totally self serving akanda thing | 17:15 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 17:16 |
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| sarob | i want to use osbash to build devstack envir for training akanda | 17:16 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: hey | 17:16 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: you cannot use osbash to run devstack | 17:16 |
| sarob | i know | 17:16 |
| matjazp | sarob: osbash is installed from packages, not from devstack script | 17:16 |
| sarob | i said that wierd | 17:17 |
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| rluethi | s/weird/wrong/ | 17:17 |
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| sayalilunkad | matjazp: I reviewed your patch | 17:17 |
| sarob | i dont want get off on a tangent | 17:18 |
| sarob | ill post my wierd thoughts to ML later | 17:18 |
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| sarob | so the automation for publishing | 17:18 |
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| sarob | reed: was looking for that | 17:19 |
| sarob | im sure he can work around it easy enough | 17:19 |
| matjazp | sayalilunkad: thnx, I already replied | 17:19 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: cool | 17:20 |
| matjazp | sarob: it would be nice to serve htmls from openstack site ;) | 17:20 |
| matjazp | sarob: but yes, currently slides work from local files, so no biggie | 17:21 |
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| sarob | i lost track of where the automation work was going | 17:21 |
| sarob | wasnt dguitarbite working on it last? | 17:21 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: We will have them once we finish one book | 17:22 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: oh, so my patches are holding it up? | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: I was talking mainly about upstream training | 17:22 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: we still need a lot of work for the training guides part | 17:23 |
| sarob | isnt upstream training ready to be published? | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | Is it ready? | 17:23 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: which what? | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | by ready I mean ready to be published | 17:23 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: I believe there will be some patches, but a lot of material will be used over the weekend | 17:24 |
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| sarob | we wanted to publish upstream training if possible for the summit | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I dont have any opinion on this part since I have not developed the content. I trust your word :). | 17:25 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: I know I always make just in time additions for my talks ;) | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: who does not! ;) | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: hence, automatic publishing of the html ;) | 17:26 |
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| dguitarbite | I will push a patch to publish upstream training | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | is the landing page ready? | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | for training guides? | 17:29 |
| sarob | nope, i can clone one quickly | 17:29 |
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| sarob | #action dguitarbite patch publish upstream training | 17:29 |
| sarob | #action sarob patch training landing page | 17:30 |
| sarob | so about design session next week | 17:30 |
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| sarob | the monday time i picked is bad bad bad | 17:30 |
| sarob | same time as the ambassador talk | 17:30 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: it will be better if we have a landing page soon | 17:30 |
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| sarob | i will clone http://docs.openstack.org/ops/ | 17:31 |
| sarob | without the book | 17:31 |
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| sarob | cover | 17:31 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: what about the content? do we have a presentation? | 17:31 |
| sarob | upstream training would be a Get The Thing | 17:32 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: for the training talk next week? | 17:32 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: I mean for the summit session | 17:32 |
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| sarob | design session would be etherpad, right? | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yes, etherpad should work there | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | but for the talk? | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | I am not sure how to go about it | 17:33 |
| sarob | for the talk, we have three parts | 17:34 |
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| sarob | sayalilunkad, dguitarbyte: you can give 15 minutes on your training event you did | 17:34 |
| sayalilunkad | sure | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: Ok | 17:35 |
| sarob | i could do 15 minutes on sfbay on the 6 sessions we did | 17:35 |
| sarob | reed: could do 15 minutes on upstream training | 17:36 |
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| sarob | 5 minutes on future | 17:36 |
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| sarob | #action sarob send out summit training talk proposed to ML and speakers | 17:37 |
| sarob | so can we move the training design session to later in the week? | 17:37 |
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| sarob | oh my | 17:38 |
| sayalilunkad | sarob: is the talk and design session overlapping? | 17:39 |
| sarob | yes | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I dont mind, but probably before friday | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | if possible | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | last time on Friday I was really exhausted and all I wanted was to go home | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | ;) | 17:40 |
| sarob | how about thursday, dev lounge, afternoon | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | works for me | 17:40 |
| sayalilunkad | works for me | 17:40 |
| sarob | i dont think the neutron design sessions have been posted yet | 17:40 |
| sarob | arg | 17:40 |
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| sarob | matjazp, rluethi: we want to include you guys | 17:41 |
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| sarob | would that time be a non-starter | 17:41 |
| rluethi | afternoon + 9 hours, I think. | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | I would suggest not to rely on the internet connection! | 17:42 |
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| sarob | vancouver uses our crazy time | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | We might need a good solution for this | 17:42 |
| matjazp | sarob: if you'll meet in dev lounge, it will be hard to hear you because of the background noise? | 17:42 |
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| sarob | matjazp: oh duh | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: if the internet has any juice left in it | 17:43 |
| sarob | i have an 4 room apt two blocks from the summit | 17:43 |
| sarob | we could go there | 17:43 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: that sounds good to me | 17:43 |
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| sayalilunkad | ok | 17:44 |
| matjazp | sarob: but that defies "anyone can partcipate" a bit? how will they find you? | 17:44 |
| sarob | eh, true | 17:44 |
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| dguitarbite | we can post a hangout URL | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | the most reliable is text msg and etherpad | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | we have to consider the core team before we can accommodate more luxuries. | 17:45 |
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| sarob | dguitarbite: heh | 17:45 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: ill have beer at the apt | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | haha, Canadian beer ;) | 17:46 |
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| dguitarbite | thats not beer :D | 17:46 |
| sarob | moosehead is so | 17:46 |
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| sayalilunkad | I think it will be better not to reply on that either | 17:47 |
| sayalilunkad | we can find a relatively quiet place in the dev lounge | 17:47 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: i hope its better than paris | 17:47 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: that stunk | 17:47 |
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| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-training-guides-design | 17:48 |
| rluethi | I appreciate the thought of including everyone, but I think you should focus on having a productive meeting with the people who will be there. everything that can be done remotely might as well be done later. | 17:48 |
| matjazp | if it wont be possible, than datailed executive summary on ML would be essential | 17:48 |
| sayalilunkad | because as far as I remember a few people cam looking for the design session last time | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: we could schedule a meeting later at night | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | and finalize things or a video call after the summit | 17:49 |
| matjazp | rluethi: exactly | 17:49 |
| sarob | so have a daytime everyone session | 17:49 |
| sarob | then a later evening cores catch up? | 17:49 |
| rluethi | email might be best, if you want to get feedback during the summit. | 17:50 |
| matjazp | sarob: please also try to get as many new participants as possible... we need more help | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | I agree, evening time would mean somewhere around midnight for Eu | 17:51 |
| sayalilunkad | let's just catchup the during the next irc meeting | 17:51 |
| sarob | ekk, which thread which | 17:51 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: for cores , right | 17:51 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: im good with that, but didnt want to exclude people that couldnt make it to the summit | 17:52 |
| sarob | matjazp, rluethi: we can try to find a quiet spot in the dev lounge, but the fallback to etherpad and sms? | 17:53 |
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| sayalilunkad | sarob: true but i think it might have more chances or not working out considering the unreliable net and time zone difference | 17:53 |
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| sayalilunkad | but yes would be great to have them if possible :) | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | sarob: sure. in public places, videoconferences sux, you need a good directed microphone with noise reduction, or it's useless | 17:54 |
| rluethi | sarob: I have limited options for making myself available during the week. if it was different, I'd be at the summit :-/. | 17:54 |
| sarob | rluethi: ah, got it | 17:54 |
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| sarob | matjazp: are you good with etherpad, sms then | 17:55 |
| matjazp | sarob: yes, sure | 17:55 |
| sarob | okey dokey | 17:55 |
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| sarob | start adding liberty blueprint ideas to the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-training-guides-design | 17:55 |
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| sarob | we can figure out the time thursday for the design session in the dev lounge there too | 17:56 |
| sarob | then publish on the ML | 17:56 |
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| sarob | i will inform foundation staff to fix the published time also | 17:57 |
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| dguitarbite | Ok | 17:57 |
| sarob | thats all i got | 17:57 |
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| sayalilunkad | cool | 17:58 |
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| sarob | anything else y'all? | 17:58 |
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| matjazp | have a great time in vancouver? :) | 17:58 |
| sarob | matjazp: will do my best! | 17:59 |
| sarob | guess that's it | 17:59 |
| sarob | next meeting is cancelled BTW | 17:59 |
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| sarob | cheers! | 17:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 17:59 |
| sayalilunkad | bye | 17:59 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:59 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-05-11-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-05-11-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
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| armax | hello | 20:59 |
| armax | dougwig: ping | 20:59 |
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| armax | marun, salv-orlando, kevinbenton, emagana, obondarev_, enikanorov: ping | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | hey | 20:59 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ping | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | 15 seconds early | 21:00 |
| pcm_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| armax | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 11 21:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| neiljerram | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | mestery couldn’t host the meeting today, I have the ungrateful duty to act on his behalf :) | 21:00 |
| banix | hi | 21:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 21:01 |
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| armax | let’s wait one more minute for folks to join, it’s the week before the summit, so I’d imagine people are busy getting ready for it | 21:01 |
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| blogan | hi | 21:02 |
| armax | hello! | 21:02 |
| armax | #announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | oops | 21:02 |
| carl_baldwin | armax, pong | 21:02 |
| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | next week is Summit week | 21:03 |
| armax | we have a packed agenda | 21:03 |
| armax | the meeting won’t be held for the next 3 weeks | 21:03 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: hi | 21:03 |
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| pcm_ | armax: 2 weeks? | 21:04 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:04 |
| marun | \o | 21:04 |
| armax | pcm_: yes, that’s correct | 21:04 |
| * carl_baldwin took the meeting off his calendar when it was cancelled and forgot when it was uncancelled. | 21:04 | |
| armax | we’ll resume on June 2nd | 21:04 |
| b3nt_pin | o/ | 21:04 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: yes, there was a bit of confusion | 21:04 |
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| armax | mestery initially cancelled this meeting because he couldn’t host it | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:05 |
| armax | then realized that perhaps this could be a good opportunity to sync up right before the summit | 21:05 |
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| * kevinbenton thinks there might be too much meta-meeting discussion going on :) | 21:06 | |
| salv-orlando | aloha folks sorry for being late I was in another convo | 21:06 |
| armax | we could keep this meeting short in case we don’t have much to discuss | 21:06 |
| armax | the agenda for the summit has been published here: | 21:06 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Neutron | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | i don't see anything on there about social gatherings | 21:07 |
| armax | the summit schedule is available at #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/neutron#.VVEZ8mRVikq | 21:07 |
| armax | #action kevinbenton volunteers to organize a social gathering | 21:07 |
| neiljerram | Yes, I was wondering about gatherings too - would be keen on that | 21:07 |
| neiljerram | As someone who doesn't know anyone personally yet, I'd prefer earlier in the week than later | 21:08 |
| kevinbenton | maybe monday then? i'll send an email to the dev list | 21:08 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: :) I assumed you’d be fine organizing ar rendez-vous | 21:08 |
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| sc68cal | kevinbenton: congrats! don't mess up! ;) | 21:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it’s best to cross-reference, I made the mistake not too last summit | 21:09 |
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| neiljerram | Monday evening would be great for me; unfortunately I might not make it in time for lunch. | 21:09 |
| armax | only to realize later that I should have and that caused some confusion | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ack | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: it would be an evening thing | 21:09 |
| neiljerram | cool, thx! | 21:09 |
| pcm_ | kevinbenton: thanks | 21:09 |
| armax | we may want to aim to have two perhaps, an opening and and ending casual gathering | 21:10 |
| armax | so that people who miss the former may join the later and vice versa | 21:10 |
| neiljerram | Indeed, that would be great too. | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 21:10 |
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| armax | besides these logistics should we be moving to discussing the summit agenda? | 21:11 |
| armax | #topic Liberty Design Summit | 21:11 |
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| armax | does anyone have any question on the agenda as it has been outlined at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Neutron | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: that's some many of us that I would see if these guys (http://www.urbanrec.ca/Vancouver/) rent soccer/basketball/whatever pitches for some sporty fun | 21:12 |
| emagana | armax: sorry.. I was distracted... I am around if need me! | 21:12 |
| armax | and #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/213da02952470483dfd8b2765aa88485#.VVEbUGRViko for the lightining talks? | 21:13 |
| armax | emagana: ok, thanks | 21:13 |
| emagana | armax: Actually I want to share a link about the networking guide... | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | i have a session about RBAC. i don't think it's really controversial and doesn't require much discussion | 21:13 |
| marun | so, swap with reference split? | 21:13 |
| Swami | kevinbenton: what is RBAC | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | i was thinking of repurposing it to come up with some better approach to handling object state transitions | 21:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ok do you think it’s worth bringing in some other topic or what marun suggested? | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | Swami: ability to share networks to subsets of tenants | 21:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: let’s make an #action to discuss this with mestery | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ack, what's was marun's suggestion? | 21:14 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: swap with the reference split | 21:14 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we’ll let him aware and decide what’s best | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ah, well that would certainly generate more excitement | 21:14 |
| marun | I don't think the discussion should be 'if', rather 'how' | 21:15 |
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| marun | so not as exciting | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | marun: "by not doing it!" | 21:15 |
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| kevinbenton | see, exciting now :) | 21:15 |
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| marun | :p | 21:15 |
| armax | kevinbenton, marun I suppose this has been noted so that Kyle will act on it, anything else that might be worth raising awareness of? | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I think you are taken too many things for granted. There are people out there that will fight to death to resist the split ;) | 21:15 |
| marun | salv-orlando: interesting... I wonder how we could harness that misplaced fealty? | 21:16 |
| * armax brings the cannons | 21:16 | |
| * armax and tin helmet | 21:16 | |
| marun | tin -> tinfoil (ftfy) | 21:17 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: with WMDs | 21:17 |
| armax | marun: thanks | 21:18 |
| armax | ok, too many acronyms | 21:18 |
| marun | so, maybe a bad idea to talk at summit if it's going to be too controversial. | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | marun: controversial discussions are the best thing at the summit | 21:19 |
| armax | marun: perhaps that’s the rationale behind mestery’s decision | 21:19 |
| armax | assumed we bring this to mestery’s attention, is there anything else you’d love to talk about the schedule? | 21:19 |
| * salv-orlando indeed it will soon be called "Jeremy Kyle's Openstack Design Summit" | 21:19 | |
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| armax | bear in mind that there is a ‘free’ slot on friday morning | 21:20 |
| armax | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-contributor-meetup | 21:20 |
| armax | salv-orlando: not everyone knows jeremy kyle | 21:20 |
| armax | salv-orlando: but there is a Jeremy Kyle-like show in every country | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | who is jeremy kyle | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | is it similar to an RFE? | 21:21 |
| armax | salv-orlando: you should provide a wiki page that shows the list | 21:21 |
| kevinbenton | because i don't know what that is either | 21:21 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: there’s a Contributor Meetup on Friday 9am-12pm | 21:22 |
| marun | kevinbenton: I'm confused as to how you can be confused about what an RFE is. | 21:22 |
| armax | I would certainly like to use that one to talk about next steps for the vendor decomp, I know that I would like to take the opportunity to talk with HenryG and any other who is interested | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | isn't that a feee-form thing? in Paris the community tried to put up a schedule for it but it did not work well imo | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | marun: request for extension is what we lazy people did in academia every time we missed a deadline | 21:23 |
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| armax | #action armax to remind mestery of the vendor decomp | 21:23 |
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| armax | HenryG: hi | 21:25 |
| HenryG | armax: happy to talk about vendor decomp | 21:25 |
| armax | salv-orlando: I guess it worked ok-ish | 21:25 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: granted some people had already left so, it’s sort of dangerous to postpone any major discussion right at the end of the week | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | armax: you can put a schedule for it if you feel it might be more productive | 21:26 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: at the moment I am just noting it down, as any good servant would do, then I’ll let mestery decide | 21:26 |
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| armax | emagana: sorry was there something you wanted to share? | 21:27 |
| emagana | armax: | 21:27 |
| kevinbenton | he's at a loss for words! | 21:27 |
| emagana | armax: About the networking guide, the link went public :-) | 21:27 |
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| kevinbenton | emagana: do you have it handy? | 21:27 |
| armax | ok, can you repost the link here for people’s sake? | 21:27 |
| emagana | armax: I am a man of few words! | 21:27 |
| emagana | #link http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/ | 21:28 |
| banix | emagana: great job! to be continued for sure | 21:28 |
| emagana | still not officially realease but we are live.. no idea how! | 21:28 |
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| armax | emagana: nice one | 21:28 |
| emagana | ha ha ha ah | 21:28 |
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| emagana | no more words from me .... but looking forward for getting drunk with you all! | 21:29 |
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| armax | emagana: that’s the righ _spirit_! | 21:30 |
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| armax | well if there’s nothing else on the summit agenda perhaps we can have a few minutes to have an #topic Open Discussion | 21:31 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:31 |
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| * armax hears crickets in the background | 21:33 | |
| kevinbenton | armax: tell us about service chaining | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | is there going to be a summit session | 21:33 |
| kevinbenton | ? | 21:33 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: there is going to be a session on NFV Enhancements on Thursday afternoon | 21:34 |
| armax | kevinbenton: mestery and I would like to use that one to bring the topic forward | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ack | 21:34 |
| shivharis | armax: who is leading that? | 21:35 |
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| shivharis | armax: i guess i got the answer | 21:35 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we’ll have to iron out how to make progress this cycle wrt SFC | 21:35 |
| armax | shivharis: mestery and armax | 21:35 |
| banix | and an OPNFV day on manday by the way | 21:36 |
| armax | shivharis: but being a design session it’s more of a collaborative effort | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | armax: it always seems to fall apart trying to address the huge myriad of insertion schemes and corner cases | 21:36 |
| armax | banix: thanks for the reminder | 21:36 |
| shivharis | armax: with you on that | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | armax: is there an existing model that we are just going to implement, or are we going to roll our own? | 21:36 |
| armax | kevinbenton: agreed, we’d need to be very diligent this cycle if we want this effort to take off | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | kevinbenton: wasn't the goal to create a starter set of use cases that most agree? | 21:37 |
| armax | kevinbenton: there are a few folks very interested in promiting the ETSI model | 21:37 |
| armax | and there’s been a weekly call being setup to talk on SFC | 21:37 |
| armax | I think it’s on Tue 10am PST | 21:37 |
| armax | details on the ML | 21:37 |
| Swami | armax: yes you are right. | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: i think so. it's just nice to have a doc to point to when you can say why a certain use case was rejected | 21:38 |
| armax | Swami: thanks for keeping me honest | 21:38 |
| armax | kevinbenton: there are a few specs being churned as we speak | 21:38 |
| armax | kevinbenton: besides the use cases, I am more concerned on how we’re gonna master the complexity that will inevitably arise when the tires need to hit the road | 21:39 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: by first re-doing all of the internals of neutron :) | 21:39 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: one thing is certain, as much as we’re tracking this effort in Neutron, it does not belong to neutron core and it certainly spans way beyond Neutron greater metropolitan area | 21:40 |
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| armax | core being Neutron’s downtown | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i think it will make sense to do some refactoring and possible internal API changes as necessary to make it easier to build these things on top of the neutron primitives | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | ok, well i'm done blowing smoke about vaporware for now :) | 21:41 |
| armax | kevinbenton: there is going to be prelimary work to ensure that the right plugs/outlets/hooks etc are in place | 21:42 |
| armax | kevinbenton: before we can really start talking about SFC | 21:42 |
| armax | kevinbenton: until people realize that we’ll always be blowing smoke up the vaporware | 21:42 |
| HenryG | sorry, what is 'SFC'? | 21:42 |
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| kevinbenton | HenryG: file an RFE to find out | 21:42 |
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| kevinbenton | request for explanation | 21:43 |
| armax | HenryG: Service Function Chaining | 21:43 |
| kevinbenton | HenryG: "admin dictates that all traffic from x to y must go through firewall z" | 21:43 |
| armax | ok, let’s see if there’s anything else to talk about | 21:43 |
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| kevinbenton | gus: ping | 21:44 |
| armax | otherwise we can try and keep this meeting under 45 mins\ | 21:44 |
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| armax | anything else? | 21:44 |
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| * armax starts the countdown | 21:44 | |
| armax | ok guys thanks for joining and sorry about the confusion | 21:45 |
| armax | let’s have a great summit and safe travel! | 21:46 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 21:46 |
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| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 11 21:46:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-05-11-21.00.html | 21:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-05-11-21.00.txt | 21:46 |
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| banix | bye | 21:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-05-11-21.00.log.html | 21:46 |
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| shivharis | o/ | 21:46 |
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