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| eliqiao1 | do we have nova-api meeting today? | 00:02 |
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| dims | eliqiao1: it already happened (remember we switch times) | 00:10 |
| eliqiao1 | dims: really? I checked it from wiki page, it is still utc 0 time. | 00:11 |
| eliqiao1 | it's from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI | 00:13 |
| eliqiao1 | Next MeetingFriday 2015/05/01 at 0000 UTC | 00:13 |
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| gilllliard | oomichi: Hello :) | 12:00 |
| oomichi | gillliard: hi | 12:00 |
| gilllliard | oomichi: you must be very busy. Congratulations :) | 12:00 |
| oomichi | gillliard: thanks :) | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: congratulations for baby :) | 12:01 |
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| oomichi | gillliard: so this channel is right for api meeting ? | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: yes | 12:01 |
| gilllliard | Yes there is no conflict so we can keep using this room. | 12:01 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: thank you too :) | 12:01 |
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| gilllliard | I updated the wiki but not the iCal thing | 12:01 |
| oomichi | gillliard: that is great ? | 12:02 |
| gilllliard | Soooo. oomichi do you want to be chairperson? | 12:02 |
| oomichi | gillliard, alex_xu: can you start it ? maybe I am not sure I can keep here at the end of meeting | 12:02 |
| gilllliard | #startmeeting NovaAPI | 12:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 1 12:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gilllliard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: NovaAPI)" | 12:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'novaapi' | 12:03 |
| gilllliard | Hello everyone :) | 12:03 |
| oomichi | gillliard: thanks :) | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | \o/ | 12:03 |
| oomichi | hi | 12:03 |
| eliqiao1 | 0/ | 12:03 |
| gilllliard | Hi eliqiao1 :) | 12:03 |
| gilllliard | Thanks for your patience with the time switch. | 12:03 |
| eliqiao1 | hi gilllliard: glad to join this meeting. | 12:03 |
| eliqiao1 | thanks alex_xu: for the reminder. | 12:04 |
| gilllliard | OK Shall I kick off the agenda stuff? | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao1: np :) | 12:04 |
| gilllliard | #topic Vancouver Summit | 12:04 |
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| oomichi | yeah, right :) many people are joining to the meeting :) | 12:04 |
| gilllliard | We have an API session - alex_xu is leading it IIRC? | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | who would like to lead it? we haven't assigned leaders yet as such | 12:05 |
| gilllliard | Oh my bad, sorry. | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | feel free to step up to lead it on the etherpad though, that would be great :) | 12:06 |
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| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI#Next_Meeting | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | I'm non-English speaker, better to have Enlighs speaker leading that. I'd join the discussion | 12:06 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-api | 12:06 |
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| gilllliard | Well I'm happy to do it, although I feel alex_xu and oomichi are more qualified. Perhaps we can share the job? | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | gilllliard: yea, thanks, I'm happy sahre the job | 12:08 |
| oomichi | we are just collecting topic for the summit, it would be nice to decide who lead them based on the idea. | 12:08 |
| oomichi | as the next step. | 12:08 |
| gilllliard | oomichi OK that's sensible. | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: ok | 12:08 |
| oomichi | now 3 topics only on the etherpad :( | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | actually a lot of thing we want to discussion already at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 12:09 |
| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | first I think I guess we need tidy up them, and put in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-api | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | we probably need put some detail for each discussion, put some existing different standpoint and related reference. it it right oomichi? | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is good to think about the list of questions you want answered by the end of the session | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are actually two API sessions currently proposed | 12:11 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, it is great to clarify the detail more. | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be great if you take the first one | 12:11 |
| gilllliard | johnthetubaguy: do you have a #link for the timetable? | 12:11 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: how we separated those questions into the two sessions, or we will figure that out after we list out all the questions | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | gilllliard: the proposed scheduler is at the bottom of the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 12:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its also here: http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Nova | 12:12 |
| gilllliard | Thank you. So | 12:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | the second API session is more operator focued | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking at ec2, gce and deprecating v2.0 | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to take that one, unless someone really wanted to do it | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | the first one we were thinking more about v2.1 next steps | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can change that, if it doesn't make sese | 12:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sense | 12:14 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy's nova-spec for relaxing validation is my next step as first prio now | 12:14 |
| gilllliard | Yes that's a big one | 12:15 |
| oomichi | that would be necessary to remove v2 code soon | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/ | 12:15 |
| gilllliard | #action reviews please on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173243/ | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: soon is likely to be N at this point | 12:15 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I hope so :) | 12:16 |
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| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: strong validation was always concern for v2 comatibility. the spec would help us. | 12:17 |
| gilllliard | Anything else for summit? | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | +1 for resolve the concern | 12:17 |
| oomichi | gillliard: how to bump microversions? | 12:17 |
| gilllliard | Well it follows nicely.... | 12:18 |
| gilllliard | #topic urgent reviews | 12:18 |
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| gilllliard | alex_xu has some patches up for devrefs | 12:18 |
| gilllliard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177778/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162913/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162912/ | 12:19 |
| eliqiao1 | sure, we need the guild to bump version and on what kinds of changes can be allowed in v2.1 api | 12:19 |
| gilllliard | I feel these are important as people are trying to use the new API frameworks | 12:19 |
| oomichi | gillliard: yeah, these patches will help developers for api development. | 12:19 |
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| alex_xu | hope can resolve some confuse when reviewing API changes | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | special for this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177778/ | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | And there example like this whether we worth to do a change like this https://review.openstack.org/163275 | 12:20 |
| gilllliard | alex_xu: I pointed a colleague at 177778 today. Will be happy when it lands :) | 12:21 |
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| oomichi | alex_xu: ok, will try reviewing again later. | 12:21 |
| eliqiao1 | any changes of api require a version bump ? | 12:21 |
| leakypipes | hey guys, sorry I'm late! | 12:21 |
| gilllliard | Hello leakypipes :) | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | is it working talking about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163275/ | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | gilllliard: yes, thanks for your review! | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: thanks! | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | to help guide the review of the API bump policy? | 12:22 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: I actually think it's worthwhile getting the feedback of the API WG on that one. | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if you lock a locked instance, it just calls that a success right now | 12:22 |
| eliqiao1 | I wonder some nit changes , still require a version bump? | 12:22 |
| leakypipes | eliqiao1: yes. | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: yeah, it would be nice to agree a general pattern for that stuff | 12:23 |
| leakypipes | eliqiao1: version bumps are cheap now :) | 12:23 |
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| eliqiao1 | leakypipes: sure , thanks. | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: +1 if in doubt, its probably worth a bump | 12:23 |
| leakypipes | eliqiao1: FWIW, I'm supportive of that patch. | 12:23 |
| eliqiao1 | leakypipes: thanks for the supporting. | 12:23 |
| leakypipes | eliqiao1: I think that the addition of the 409 is worth a version bump on its own. | 12:23 |
| gilllliard | So, this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines#Guidelines is from the api-wg, correct? | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: but we have example we won't bump for a version just such nit thing https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/api_version_request.py#L42 | 12:24 |
| leakypipes | eliqiao1: and might as well correct the 202 while doing it. | 12:24 |
| leakypipes | IMO | 12:24 |
| eliqiao1 | leakypipes: cool. glad to fix them. | 12:24 |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: ? the version was bumped in 2.2. | 12:24 |
| gilllliard | eliqiao1's spec there is item #1 in "Generally not acceptable" on that page, so needs a version bump IMO | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: yes | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: it is very bother user to upgrade client just for some small thing? | 12:25 |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: you are saying that there was a change that *only* changed the return code for create/delete keypair, outside of the original 2.2 patch that added that functionality? | 12:25 |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: I don't see much difference between upgrading a client for a small thing or a big thing. it's the same process. same "pain" (minimal) | 12:26 |
| leakypipes | but I know dansmith feels differently about that. | 12:26 |
| oomichi | on microversions mechanism, we need to bump version even if backwards compatible/incompatible changes. | 12:26 |
| oomichi | leakpipes: that is a point of microversions. | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: yea, I guess that one point will argument | 12:26 |
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| leakypipes | alex_xu: with the v3 stuff, everything was "big bang". in other words, we were fixing little things, but upgrading the entire API to a major version. This isn't the case here. We can and should (IMHO) make small fixes and bump the microversion. it's cheap, and nothing breaks older clients ever. | 12:27 |
| leakypipes | becasuee they must specifically request the new functionality. | 12:27 |
| oomichi | leakpipes: many small api changes to archive better interfaces. | 12:27 |
| eliqiao1 | I have a concer, if user want feature 1 but it is implmented in 2.100, but he don't want feature 2 which is implemented in 2.99, then, what the version should client use ? | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: agreed, the next debate is what changes are worth adding that require clients to update to benefit from them, possibly lots of them | 12:28 |
| gilllliard | eliqiao1: if you can do it in 2 calls, then good. There is no version of Nova which satisfies both at once. | 12:28 |
| leakypipes | oomichi: right, and contrary to the big v3 thing, the client has the opportunity to gradually and backwards-compatible way align with the latest version without worrying about breakage. | 12:28 |
| eliqiao1 | gilllliard: understood. thx. | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | :S | 12:28 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: I view the microversion bumps as "little API releases". client code should be updated as needed. | 12:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you want both 2.100 and 2.99 don't you get both features by requesting 2.100 | 12:29 |
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| oomichi | leakypipes: yeah, right. | 12:29 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: we can release a bunch of these microversion "releases" and the client can catch up at any time. | 12:29 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: just like oslo libs. we gradually bring em into nova over time. | 12:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: yeah totally agreed, just when you add a feature on top you force them into it, and maybe thats fine | 12:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: most clients probably need zero updates for the kinds of fixups we are talking about anyways, so best not to loose too much sleep about it either way really | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | compare to v3 that sounds make sense to me... | 12:30 |
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| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: well, I don't recommend waiting a *long* time to do the microversion changes of course :) just that it doesn't have to be done immediately or in one giant big bang. | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: +1 and thats a big deal | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | (in a good way) | 12:31 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: and frankly, this is precisely why we have API and client liaisons. | 12:31 |
| oomichi | right, new features are released on the latest microversion. if users want to use, they need to update/catch up the other api changes also. | 12:31 |
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| leakypipes | to keep track of just this kind of thing. | 12:31 |
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| gilllliard | Are there any other reviews which people want attention on? | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | one more | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, for the change in questions, do we want 409 for requests to update something thats already been updated (delete a deleting thing, lock a locked thing, etc), thats an API-WG matter | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | whether we can correct error status code without microversion like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177018/ for now | 12:33 |
| * johnthetubaguy see Fr Ted for "that would be an ecumenical matter" | 12:33 | |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: that is what 409 Conflict is for... at least, my reading of the RFC. | 12:33 |
| * leakypipes checks API WG guidance. | 12:34 | |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: well, its for you can't "delete" something thats "resizing", thats for sure, "delete" something thats "deleting" seems like a great area | 12:35 |
| leakypipes | yay! it's not in the API WG guidance :) that means a perfect opportunity for alex_xu and gilllliard to do the liaison thing :) | 12:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :) | 12:35 |
| gilllliard | Depends if you are thinking of it as performing an action, or asserting a result :) | 12:35 |
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| oomichi | hehe | 12:35 |
| leakypipes | gilllliard, alex_xu: feel like making a proposal to add 409 conflict to here? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/tree/guidelines/http.rst | 12:35 |
| gilllliard | #action (gilliard, alex_xu) - clarify with API-WG the response to a request to move a resource into a state which it is already in. | 12:36 |
| eliqiao1 | HEHE... | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: got it | 12:36 |
| leakypipes | ty guys :) | 12:36 |
| * alex_xu API-WG guilding looks like missing a lot | 12:36 | |
| * gilllliard rolls up sleeves | 12:36 | |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: it's a "living document" | 12:36 |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: that's a nice way of agreeing with you ;) | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: yea | 12:37 |
| eliqiao1 | alex_xu: we need add api-wg guild to our api-microversion rst. | 12:37 |
| leakypipes | alex_xu: that said, the original idea of the API WG was to create guidelines based on proposals from the projects themselves and work collaboratively with each other. this is a great opportuntity to do so. | 12:37 |
| oomichi | eliqiao1: +1 | 12:37 |
| leakypipes | well, first steps first. I think a clarification on 409 Conflict should be done first. | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: ok, got it | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao1: +1 | 12:38 |
| gilllliard | alex_xu: you raised another review just now? | 12:38 |
| eliqiao1 | leakypipes: +1 | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | yea, this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177018/ , some exception we didn't catch, it lead to return 500. | 12:39 |
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| alex_xu | before we can fix it directly, but now we said any api change need microversion..so what we should do for now? | 12:39 |
| * leakypipes reads | 12:40 | |
| alex_xu | currently version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177018/ say it need bump the microversion, but hope get some agreement | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I don't think that needs a microversion bump, 500->anything feels like a reasonable change without a spec | 12:40 |
| eliqiao1 | johnthetubaguy: +1, user will not notice this change. | 12:40 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: that was an internal error and a just bug. I think microversion bump is not necessary | 12:40 |
| gilllliard | esp as this is a regression since v2 | 12:40 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: I would agree with that. reasoning: 500 is not a correct response *ever* for a user-space error like this. Therefore we aren't "changing" the API, but rather fixing a bug. | 12:41 |
| oomichi | leakypipes: +1 | 12:41 |
| alex_xu | ok, cool, that make sense to me | 12:42 |
| leakypipes | if for some strange reason, we had considered 500 to be an acceptable error returned to the user in this case, then I would argue that yes a microversion bump was needed. but that's not the case here. | 12:42 |
| gilllliard | That is a worthwhile point. alex_xu you could refer to it from your devref? | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: lets add 500 as a unacceptable return value for an expected error I guess? | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | gilllliard: ok | 12:42 |
| * leakypipes considers any error returned to the user as a 500 to be leaking of implementation details out of the API (and that's A Bad Thing, m'kay!) | 12:43 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | leakypipes: +1 but we may as well add it to the API-WG doc | 12:43 |
| leakypipes | johnthetubaguy: ++ agreed. | 12:43 |
| leakypipes | #action jaypipes to submit guidance on 500 not being acceptable. | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome, thanks | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | leakypipes: thanks | 12:44 |
| gilllliard | Any more reviews? | 12:44 |
| eliqiao1 | alxe_xu: need to fix it also in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177778/6/doc/source/devref/api_microversions.rst line 212 | 12:44 |
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| eliqiao1 | for 500 -> other code... | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | eliqiao1: yea, I will update it along with the example | 12:44 |
| eliqiao1 | coll. | 12:44 |
| eliqiao1 | cool | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | gilllliard: is it work talking about my spec here? | 12:45 |
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| gilllliard | yeah sure. Conscious of time though. | 12:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/173243 | 12:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so this is the relax API validation for v2.0 requests made to the v2.1 API | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea being, get more folks using the v2.1 code sooner | 12:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | my basic propose is change the meaning of a request without a version header | 12:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | the original spec said assume it means the min_version | 12:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am basically saying assume it means its a v2.0 request | 12:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now thats basically the same thing right now, but relaxing the validation changes that, as v2.1 requests would get strong validation | 12:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: you made some good comments on the spec, I think you had some concerns with the idea? | 12:48 |
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| leakypipes | tada: https://review.openstack.org/179365 | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, that means we lose the chance to raise the min_version, this point I'm not sure | 12:48 |
| leakypipes | the 4 minute guidance. ;) | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | although I know there won't raise the min_version in short term | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | not really | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suggest adding a new header for that | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | you could add a header that says "min_version" | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | rather than "latest" | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I don't think anyone would use that | 12:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it does mean we could raise the min_version without dropping v2.0 support, but thats probably a dumb idea | 12:50 |
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| alex_xu | it means the relax validation v2 api will keep forever | 12:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, we expect clients to start requests microversions soon | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | and all those requests will get strong validation | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | if we raise min_version to drop the relax validation, that give our chance to force all the client/SDK fix their problem. | 12:51 |
| oomichi | if we will be able to provide great new features in the future, many users will use newer versions | 12:51 |
| oomichi | but I'm not sure that now, and I can see alex_xu's point | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | raise min_version is used for us drop some burden in the future. I guess there maybe have 2.30 or 2.50, there will be a lot of multiversion function in the api code | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, if we drop the relax of the validation | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | we drop support for the v2.0 aPI | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | now thats a thing we might consider in a few years, but I tie the two together in my head | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: maybe drop that after three or four release, will that safe? | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't see us ever raising the min_version, for the same reason we can't drop v2.0 support, at least not for a good few years | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: it would be much longer I suspect | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: the public clouds would want to confirm they have no API requests missing the version header before wanting to drop that v2.0 support | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: same for raising the min_version | 12:54 |
| eliqiao1 | then, we back again to support 2 version api ...(just like before , v2 and v3) | 12:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: people just write hacky scripts, and we don't want to break them | 12:55 |
| eliqiao1 | johnthetubaguy: I think we need to here more vice from operators.. for the supporting v2 api | 12:55 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: but people have motivation upgrade their code, when they want to use new feature by microversion :) | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | eliqiao1: I am speaking on behalf of rackspace public cloud here, with my operator hat on, but I would love to hear what other folks thing | 12:56 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, and they will find their own bugs in client code | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, as the SDKs use new features | 12:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | they will use the new validation, and I think, all is good | 12:57 |
| gilllliard | johnthetubaguy: does your spec inclue any way to measure how many microversionless requests are being served? | 12:57 |
| oomichi | now SDKs are 30+, so it would be difficult to track all of them | 12:57 |
| gilllliard | That might be useful to gauge the extent of the potential annoyance. | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | eliqiao1: my worry with v3 was having two parallel code bases, v2.1 and microverions is designed to avoid that, and we are very close to that working here | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | gilllliard: I don't pull that out here, I would hope that appears in the API logs already, if not we can add that for sure | 12:58 |
| gilllliard | So we're almost out of time... | 12:58 |
| gilllliard | in fact, we really are out of time. | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: maybe we need discuss that at summit | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: that the plan for the second API session | 12:59 |
| gilllliard | #action alex_xu add this spec to the summit agenda | 12:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: discuss it with the operators | 12:59 |
| gilllliard | oh good :) | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 13:00 |
| eliqiao1 | yeah, a face to face discussion will be better, besides, need to hear clints' suggestion :) | 13:00 |
| gilllliard | Thanks everyone | 13:00 |
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| oomichi | thanks all | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 13:01 |
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| gilllliard | #endmeeting | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 1 13:01:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novaapi/2015/novaapi.2015-05-01-12.02.html | 13:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novaapi/2015/novaapi.2015-05-01-12.02.txt | 13:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novaapi/2015/novaapi.2015-05-01-12.02.log.html | 13:01 |
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| eliqiao1 | btw, johnthetubaguy: can you help to look at my spec for adding new propertices for used_limite, I updated per your commentshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/145689/ | 13:01 |
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| eliqiao1 | thanks all, have a good day:) | 13:01 |
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| gilllliard | thanks eliqiao1 | 13:02 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 16:03 |
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| barrett | Anyone here for the Product Work Group meeting? | 16:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 16:04 |
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| barrett | Hi Rocky | 16:04 |
| rockyg | hey! | 16:04 |
| rockyg | I think shamail is also on | 16:04 |
| barrett | Great | 16:04 |
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| Shamail | Hi | 16:05 |
| Shamail | Which room? | 16:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 16:05 |
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| rockyg | mscohen | 16:05 |
| barrett | Shamail: ? | 16:05 |
| rockyg | I think meeting | 16:05 |
| barrett | Hi Arkady | 16:05 |
| mscohen | yes i am here too | 16:05 |
| rockyg | primary | 16:05 |
| Shamail | Alright | 16:06 |
| barrett | #startmeeting Product Work Group | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 1 16:06:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_work_group' | 16:06 |
| barrett | Is anyone else in the room that hasn't chimed in yet? | 16:07 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | have we agreed on options for second summit session? | 16:08 |
| barrett | #topic Product WG F2F Plans | 16:08 |
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| barrett | Did you all see the email I sent about the xProject session? | 16:08 |
| barrett | I was on a call earlier with some WTE folks and not everyone had seen it. | 16:08 |
| Shamail | Yes, saw it. | 16:08 |
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| rockyg | the one to the list of mailing lists? | 16:09 |
| barrett | Rocky: yes | 16:09 |
| barrett | Rocky: will you be able to bring some logging use cases into the xProject session? | 16:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry, still catching up on email | 16:10 |
| rockyg | OH, yes. I'll get to that later today. | 16:10 |
| rockyg | on the etherpad, that is | 16:10 |
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| barrett | That'd be really helpful | 16:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can you post pointer to etherpad? | 16:11 |
| barrett | I think the WTE teams will have ~6 use cases ready for the meeting | 16:11 |
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| barrett | Here it is: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ProductWG_xProjectSession | 16:11 |
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| barrett | Is there anything else we should do to reach out to other Work Groups? | 16:13 |
| Shamail | No I think that was pretty good. I can take your email and posted on Twitter too.; –) | 16:14 |
| barrett | That would be good. | 16:14 |
| rockyg | There is this thing called "cheddar" which allows someone to link a session to other sessions? I'm a bit foggy on it, but it is to notify people of other stuff of interest in the schedule | 16:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thoung we suppose to get our own agreement on charter before we approach other WG/ | 16:14 |
| barrett | Rocky: Can you post a link to it? | 16:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will update etherpad when I setup summit schedule for myself | 16:15 |
| rockyg | I saw it on mailing list Thierry ttx posted about it. If he's still up and listening he might jump in | 16:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | No etherpad on it. That is waht we discussed last week. | 16:16 |
| barrett | Arkday: Not following. What etherpad? | 16:16 |
| Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I have a doodle out for us to formalize and discuss workflow hopefully on Monday. | 16:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thougth the final agreement to iron it out on the f2f session Monday at the summit. Carol? | 16:16 |
| rockyg | I think he's talking charter | 16:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 16:17 |
| Shamail | We reached agreement on that yesterday.we will use our internal session to discuss workflow and use cases and next steps. We are planning on using the cross project session to share workflow and solicit use cases. | 16:18 |
| Shamail | I apologize if I misunderstanding the question | 16:18 |
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| Shamail | we have two face-to-face sessions on Monday at the summit. | 16:19 |
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| barrett | here's link to the etherpad for the 1st work session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Product_Work_Group_Vancouver_Work_Session | 16:20 |
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| barrett | The 1st agenda item includes Charter, as well as work flow. | 16:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Barrett - yes | 16:22 |
| barrett | I think it would be helpful to have a ML discussion about the Charter ahead of Vancouver to foster the discussion and try to use the Vancouver time to finaize and close. | 16:22 |
| Shamail | Plus one | 16:22 |
| barrett | Arkady: Do you have specific thoughts on charter? | 16:22 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | driving workload/use cases support end to end thru all projects to get cohesive solution for Customers. | 16:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Enterprice use case is a first use case. | 16:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | NFV is another. | 16:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | tagging related to it. | 16:25 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | cross use cases prioritization for projects to get maximum impact. | 16:25 |
| rockyg | finding the synergies | 16:26 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | this is more or less what we had done f2f at VMware. | 16:26 |
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| barrett | Arkady - Will you start a ML discussion on this? I would also like to see the mission get reworked. Want to include not just the info gathering, but what we do with that to create some action and impact. | 16:26 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | starting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Product_Work_Group_charter. very slow. Not sure if I need any special presmission to open new etherpad | 16:29 |
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| barrett | Don't think any permissions are required. | 16:29 |
| rockyg | Nope. | 16:29 |
| Shamail | nope | 16:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do you new etherpad? | 16:30 |
| rockyg | I really wish there was a way to index etherpads. | 16:30 |
| barrett | rocky: +1 | 16:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | got it working now | 16:30 |
| Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 to new etherpad for charter discussion. Please start the ML thread at your convenience too. | 16:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | of course | 16:31 |
| barrett | I'll add that etherpad link into the etherpad for the 1st team meeting in Vancouver. | 16:31 |
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| Shamail | Thx! | 16:31 |
| barrett | Thanks Arkady! | 16:32 |
| barrett | #action Arkady to start ML discussion on Charter and Etherpad to capture comments | 16:32 |
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| barrett | Anything else we want to talk about in prep for Vancouver sessions? | 16:33 |
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| barrett | If not, then I'd like to move to talking about the Ops Summit | 16:34 |
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| rockyg | ok | 16:34 |
| barrett | #topic Ops Summit coverage | 16:35 |
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| barrett | The agenda for the Ops Summit Sessions is here: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Ops | 16:35 |
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| barrett | I think the opportunity for us is to identify other high priority use cases and enlist Operator help is writing them up | 16:37 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 16:38 |
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| barrett | How do we want to identify which ones we want to cover and get volunteers for the coverage? | 16:40 |
| Shamail | The link pulled up the overall design summit schedule. Can you please tell me the date/time? | 16:40 |
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| Shamail | or are all the sections part of operations summit? | 16:40 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry. need to drop out. Will drive charter discussion on etherpad. | 16:41 |
| Shamail | thanks, see you in Vancouver | 16:41 |
| rockyg | two days worth of sessions for ops. Multiple rooms | 16:41 |
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| barrett | Does this work: https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Ops#.VUOsMCFVhuA | 16:42 |
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| barrett | Thanks Arkady | 16:42 |
| Shamail | got it. I'll look at the schedule and my availability and volunteer for some if possible | 16:42 |
| barrett | The Ops sessions are on Tuesday and Wednesday. Actually looks like there is a session on Friday AM too. | 16:42 |
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| Shamail | I probably have some availability on Tuesday. | 16:43 |
| rockyg | Friday are all working sessions. | 16:44 |
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| barrett | I'm moderating the OnBoard & Integration of Legacy apps on Tuesday at 2:50 - so that's covered | 16:45 |
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| rockyg | gotta go, too. | 16:45 |
| rockyg | log stuff is covered | 16:45 |
| Shamail | i'm mobile at the moment so I can't identify specific sessions that might be interesting. I'll definitely send my thoughts via email. | 16:45 |
| rockyg | ttfn | 16:45 |
| barrett | Shamail: Thanks | 16:45 |
| Shamail | see you rocky | 16:45 |
| barrett | By Rock | 16:45 |
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| barrett | Rocky | 16:46 |
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| barrett | Looks like we lost our quorum Shamail - should we wrap up the meeting? | 16:46 |
| Shamail | i'll reply to your thread on operation summit to hopefully bump the thread up. | 16:47 |
| Shamail | I agree | 16:47 |
| barrett | Thanks. | 16:47 |
| barrett | Talk to you next week. | 16:47 |
| Shamail | Take care and have a great weekend. | 16:47 |
| barrett | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 1 16:47:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-05-01-16.06.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-05-01-16.06.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-05-01-16.06.log.html | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | markmcclain, devananda, sdague, flaper87, annegentle: ping | 20:00 |
| devananda | dhellmann: o/ | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | it looks like I left sdague off of the meeting invitation, so we might not have him | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | and I don't see annegentle online at all right now | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | well, we won't be making any final decisions anyway, so let's go ahead and start and see if anyone else arrives | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting tc-summit-planning | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 1 20:02:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc-summit-planning)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc_summit_planning' | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | we have 2 planning tools set up | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 | 20:02 |
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| dhellmann | and I broke down and created an etherpad | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-cross-project-session-planning | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | I can't see the whole google doc at once, so it was hard to get an overall view | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | I thought a good goal for today would be to identify any obvious *yes* or *no* candidates on the list | 20:03 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yea. thanks. that was making it hard to get an overview | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | I took a stab at those in the etherpad, with yes in bold and no using strikeout | 20:03 |
| lifeless | o/ | 20:04 |
| lifeless | its saturday | 20:04 |
| lifeless | so I'm not really here | 20:04 |
| * dhellmann pretends not to notice lifeless | 20:04 | |
| dhellmann | shall we go down the list one by one? | 20:04 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: shall we use +1/-1 on the line, and then discuss more if there's not a concensus? | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | devananda: sure | 20:06 |
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| * annegentle waves, apologizes for being late | 20:11 | |
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| annegentle | hahaha I'm early | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: early, late, you're here :-) | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | we're using https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-cross-project-session-planning | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: we're taking a quick temperature, and looking for obvious yes or no candidates in the full list | 20:15 |
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| annegentle | cool | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: (I'm assuming you don't have scrollback) bold is "yes" and strikethrough is "no", but so far those are just my proposals and we're all leaving the usual votes | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | markmcclain, devananda, sdague, flaper87, annegentle, lifeless : keep in mind, we're evaluating the proposals, not trying to design solutions to the questions posed by them :-) | 20:20 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:20 |
| * dhellmann notes the discussion of getting notifications to end users as an example of going too deep | 20:20 | |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: mmmm, we're evaluating their relative merit for a very constrained resource | 20:21 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: knowing if its contentious (face time might help) or trivial (face time a waste) is entirely relevant IMO | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: fair | 20:22 |
| * dimsum__ wonders if you all are on the phone or irc chat? | 20:23 | |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-cross-project-session-planning | 20:23 |
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| dimsum__ | ah | 20:23 |
| lifeless | dimsum__: I'm just here | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we're not on the phone or anything, but most of the discussion is happening in the etherpad | 20:24 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: by my count, we've got 10 sessions with several +1's now | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: cool, thanks, I'm following discussions but hadn't counted. Do you want to bold those? | 20:27 |
| devananda | dhellmann: k | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ty | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | so 10 out of 14... | 20:28 |
| lifeless | how many slots do we have? | 20:29 |
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| dhellmann | markmcclain, devananda, sdague, flaper87, annegentle, lifeless : are we ready to eliminate any more sessions? | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: 14 | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | at least that was my count | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: double check my math? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 20:29 |
| markmcclain | project deletion.. seemed to get lost in etherpad… what does everyone thing? | 20:30 |
| markmcclain | s/thing/think/ | 20:30 |
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| lifeless | 7*2 | 20:30 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: thanks | 20:31 |
| devananda | markmcclain: is there much to talk about? | 20:31 |
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| markmcclain | from an ops perspective there's no real standard | 20:31 |
| markmcclain | and that interface would need to be available any interested project | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, this is an area where we can do some greenfield API design consistently | 20:32 |
| lifeless | markmcclain: it seems like the design work has been done, and there's just some questions about what contexts the python API might be used from? | 20:32 |
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| lifeless | markmcclain: sounds like the model of 'pick one project and work with it, then another etc' might fit well? | 20:33 |
| lifeless | markmcclain: I'm just wrestling with whether the initiative will actually move forward from a cross-project session: it seems like its already sufficiently mature and uncontentious... | 20:33 |
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| devananda | Getting notifications to users looks like it has two proposals. #10 and #25. Combine them? | 20:34 |
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| markmcclain | lifeless: mainly was mainly wondering if we needed to give some room even for something that most agree on | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ah, I didn't recognize those as the same thing, interesting | 20:35 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: it sounds like #25 has some cinder-specific work to propose as a standard, rather than a new service (which is what I'm getting from #10) | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: all the more reason to get them all talking together IMO | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: yep | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | hrm, if I move them we'll lose our numbering | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | I'll fix that after the meeting | 20:38 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: numbering is already cactus | 20:38 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I'll strike out 25 and bold 8, leaving the merge to you for later | 20:39 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: the numbers should line up with the spreadsheet rows | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ++ | 20:39 |
| devananda | rather than hash out more on the topics that already have a concensus | 20:43 |
| devananda | i'm looking at the ones that have mixed votes | 20:43 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: long as the numbers within the etherpad are consistent we're ok :) | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: yep, and the titles are copied and pasted so I can re-align based on those if I have to | 20:44 |
| dimsum__ | dhellmann: where would we talk about changes to the release process given the big tent ideas? (global requirements etc) | 20:44 |
| devananda | here's 3 more: documentation, project deletion, service users / unified policy | 20:44 |
| devananda | dhellmann: also, what about taking 2 slots for some of these discussions? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: we have some session within the release management track for those | 20:45 |
| dimsum__ | dhellmann: ack thx | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | devananda: do you have anything specific in mind? | 20:45 |
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| devananda | in-team scaling? notifications to end-users? release models? | 20:46 |
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| devananda | I could imagine each of those being somewhat contentous, or at least having many viewppoints that we'd benefit from hearing | 20:46 |
| lifeless | I'm going to advocate for notifications to end users | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: getting 2 slots? | 20:46 |
| lifeless | we had firedrills with HP Helion release stuff a year back because of the lack of a good answer there | 20:46 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure about needing two slots | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not inclined to give anyone 2 slots at this point | 20:47 |
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| annegentle | does release mgmt have a track? | 20:47 |
| lifeless | crossed wires, though you were talking about what to put in the 4 slots | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: yes | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | if not a track, at least some time on friday | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | but I think there's a track | 20:47 |
| devananda | lifeless: sorry. I posted two different lists. first for 'things that dont have consensus yet' and second for 'things that might be worth 2 slots' | 20:47 |
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| lifeless | relmgmt has wed afternoon | 20:48 |
| lifeless | and a working slot on thursday | 20:48 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, lifeless | 20:48 |
| dimsum__ | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Release%20Management | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | the session schedule is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | also the link from dims | 20:48 |
| lifeless | so lets include Roles for service users | 20:48 |
| lifeless | with policy file rolled in | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, the policy/roles stuff seems to have some consensus | 20:49 |
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| dimsum__ | dhellmann: i see a "API working Group" is there somewhere a slot for the "Security WG"? | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum__: they have a track | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | other than the policy and role stuff, I don't think there were security-related proposals | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 | 20:52 |
| dimsum__ | ah found them | 20:52 |
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| dimsum__ | thx | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to nic "Cloud Service Federation" | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | I wish that logging session proposal was stronger | 20:53 |
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| dhellmann | it also looks like we agree to leave out the big tent session | 20:54 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: we don't have to take exactly what is proposed | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | that's true | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | markmcclain: do you mean we should define another logging session, or something else? | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | yeah…we can always to work community to polish up any sessions that are good in concept but missing items in the proposal | 20:56 |
| dimsum__ | dhellmann: on an email thread the person who logged #24 is pointing to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_cascading_solution | 20:56 |
| devananda | dimsum__: that was proposed in paris ... | 20:57 |
| devananda | is this going to just be a repeat? | 20:57 |
| dimsum__ | devananda: y, same person | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that proposal has already been rejected | 20:57 |
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| dimsum__ | yep | 20:58 |
| dimsum__ | not advocating, just adding data :) | 20:58 |
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| dhellmann | yep | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | annegentle, devananda, markmcclain, lifeless: we're about out of time for a 1 hour slot here. Would it be productive to keep going? | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__ ^^ | 20:59 |
| * dimsum__ drops off :) thx everyone | 20:59 | |
| dhellmann | thanks, dimsum__ | 20:59 |
| stevemar | theres a lottt of good sessions there | 20:59 |
| annegentle | I can keep going a little bit longer | 20:59 |
| annegentle | at least 15 mins | 20:59 |
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| lifeless | I need to bounce | 21:00 |
| lifeless | gl | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, lifeless | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | I've got a few more minutes | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle, markmcclain, and devananda : should we try to finish the list, or should I go back to the proposers from some of the "needs more work" sessions and ask them for more details by monday? | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | that's going to be a tight deadline, maybe early tuesday? | 21:01 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: so, for Lana at least, she's off for the weekend (Aussie) | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | early tues would work | 21:02 |
| annegentle | but will be back online sooner than us | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | I think it's worthwhile to ask for more details | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | do we have enough feedback to make sure the proposers can fix things? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: we should look at that one again, because I'm surprised it's mixed | 21:02 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I've got to run -- I think we're close enough to call it done for now | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | devananda: cool, thanks | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: it's +1 and +0, I'm not sure why that's mixed. | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | Does anyone think the docs session is *not* ready as the proposal stands? | 21:03 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: ok | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | remember, these are our proposals to the TC, not a final list | 21:03 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: there was just confusion about audience -- but if that's clear now, that's fine | 21:03 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I probably wont have time on monday for another pass, fyi. carry on w/o me :) | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: I think you cleared that up by saying there is an ops session | 21:03 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: and she can clear up for the proposal itself to drum up attendeses | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | devananda: cool, thanks | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | +1 for docs | 21:04 |
| annegentle | cool | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, docs is in for now then | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | so that leaves 2 slots | 21:04 |
| annegentle | ok, I'd really like "tags for cross project consumers" | 21:05 |
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| annegentle | and then ask for more info on logging and UX | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | really? the tags one felt like something they could just sort of do, without needing a lot of face time | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | I think UX _could_ be a useful session if done right | 21:05 |
| stevemar | 27 (UX) needs to be narrowed down a bit more | 21:06 |
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| annegentle | Project deletion may come out of some of the roles-for-service-users/unified-policy-file if we ask them to? | 21:06 |
| annegentle | Did horizon reject UX proposal? | 21:06 |
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| annegentle | (not that only horizon could host it) | 21:06 |
| david-lyle | horizon who? | 21:06 |
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| stevemar | david-lyle, #27 here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit#gid=827503418 | 21:07 |
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| annegentle | hey david-lyle :) wondering about Piet's cross project UX proposal | 21:07 |
| david-lyle | I think his goal is broader than horizon | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | yes, the proposal specifically says that | 21:07 |
| david-lyle | I don't think this is new or contentious | 21:07 |
| david-lyle | I recommended concrete proposals to the mailing list | 21:08 |
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| david-lyle | I don't think it hurts to discuss it | 21:08 |
| annegentle | yeah it is broader than horizon, did he propose to the conf itself, do you know? | 21:08 |
| david-lyle | He did have a conference proposal, but I think the topic was a little different | 21:08 |
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| david-lyle | more around doing UX work in OpenStack | 21:09 |
| david-lyle | more reporting less discussion | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | we should really require a link to an etherpad or wiki page next time | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: do you want to contact Piet while I contact Rocky? | 21:09 |
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| david-lyle | he's Piet on IRC | 21:10 |
| david-lyle | apparently not in this room, but in #openstack-horizon | 21:10 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann: ok will do | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: thanks | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | david-lyle: ok, I'm going offline soon so I was hoping for email | 21:12 |
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| david-lyle | ah, I can dig that up, just a sec | 21:12 |
| annegentle | heh I should go offline soon :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | I have his email (looks to be sure) | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I think that's about as far as we're going to get tonight. Shall we call it done, and pick up Tuesday? Before or during the TC meeting? | 21:13 |
| annegentle | yep | 21:13 |
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| annegentle | (yep, I have piet's email) | 21:13 |
| annegentle | yeah let's call it done | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: +1 | 21:13 |
| annegentle | uhhhh not sure on TC meeting agenda so far but seems like worthwhile to discuss there | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks everyone for helping with this, I think it was a really fruitful exercise | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: I'll add it to the agenda | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 1 21:14:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc_summit_planning/2015/tc_summit_planning.2015-05-01-20.02.html | 21:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc_summit_planning/2015/tc_summit_planning.2015-05-01-20.02.txt | 21:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc_summit_planning/2015/tc_summit_planning.2015-05-01-20.02.log.html | 21:14 |
| annegentle | thanks dhellmann | 21:15 |
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