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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 08:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
| anteaya | raise your hand if you are here for the third party meeting | 08:01 |
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| lennyb | Hi | 08:02 |
| anteaya | hello lennyb | 08:02 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:02 |
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| lennyb | Thanks, I am OK. Still waiting to start non-voting Nova CI, but I guess you all are too busy lately | 08:04 |
| anteaya | it is a busy time yes | 08:04 |
| anteaya | can you grab the link to your email and post it in channel? | 08:05 |
| anteaya | do you remember how to do that? | 08:05 |
| lennyb | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg49903.html | 08:06 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 08:08 |
| anteaya | okay we like to link to posts from lists.openstack.org | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | if you go to that page you see a number of lists | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | you posted to openstack-dev | 08:08 |
| lennyb | Thanks, anteaya, | 08:08 |
| anteaya | so select that link | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | you see on the page a link to the archives | 08:08 |
| anteaya | you posted in march | 08:09 |
| anteaya | if you search the march archives you should find this link | 08:09 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058779.html | 08:09 |
| anteaya | usually when we link to a conversation we link to the initial post | 08:09 |
| anteaya | then people trying to follow along can start there and read the whole thread | 08:09 |
| anteaya | does that make sense? | 08:09 |
| lennyb | yes, thanks | 08:10 |
| anteaya | and you're welcome | 08:10 |
| anteaya | great | 08:10 |
| anteaya | so the thread has stalled | 08:10 |
| anteaya | you have two core approvals but there was a call for more input | 08:10 |
| anteaya | the way I am interpreting this situation is the nova folks feel you are asking to vote on nova not begin commenting | 08:10 |
| anteaya | they think you are asking for something that you are not asking for | 08:11 |
| anteaya | nova doesn't have nearly as much driver activity as neutron or cinder | 08:11 |
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| anteaya | so they have less experience with random people asking things of them with regards to third party ci | 08:11 |
| anteaya | so here is what I would suggest | 08:11 |
| anteaya | go into the nova channel | 08:12 |
| anteaya | bring the link I posted with you | 08:12 |
| anteaya | find jogo, who commented on the thread, he is on pacific time | 08:12 |
| lennyb | OK, thanks, | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | tell him that you think people think you want to vote verified and all you want to do is have permission to comment | 08:13 |
| anteaya | ask him if he can post to the thread giving you permission to comment | 08:13 |
| anteaya | and ask if he has any suggestions so you can comment | 08:13 |
| lennyb | thanks a lot | 08:14 |
| anteaya | if you don't get a response, ask johnthetubaguy if you can add an item to the next nova meeting's agenda | 08:14 |
| anteaya | then show up at the meeting, let me know if you need any help reading the wikipage to ensure you have the right meeting time | 08:14 |
| anteaya | and show up | 08:14 |
| anteaya | it is a really good idea if you are in the nova channel and available for people | 08:15 |
| anteaya | so they know who you are if they have questions | 08:15 |
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| anteaya | and attend the nova meetings | 08:15 |
| anteaya | does that make sense? | 08:15 |
| lennyb | #join openstack-nova | 08:15 |
| anteaya | you need a / at the front of that | 08:15 |
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| anteaya | there you go, great | 08:18 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: anything more on this issue? | 08:20 |
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| lennyb | not for now, thanks | 08:21 |
| anteaya | okay great | 08:22 |
| anteaya | anything else you want to discuss? | 08:22 |
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| lennyb | no. thank you for all your help and assistance | 08:23 |
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| anteaya | thank you lennyb | 08:27 |
| anteaya | I appreciate your diligence | 08:27 |
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| anteaya | and I'm going to wrap it up here | 08:48 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb | 08:48 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 08:48:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-21-08.00.html | 08:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-21-08.00.txt | 08:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-21-08.00.log.html | 08:48 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 13:59 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Good Morning | 13:59 |
| hichihara | Hi | 13:59 |
| HenryG | o/ | 13:59 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Good morning to you too | 13:59 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 14:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 14:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 14:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 14:00 |
| annp | Hello | 14:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 14:00 |
| pc_m | hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | We've got a packed agenda today, full of excitement (serously)! Lets get started! | 14:00 |
| HoangCX | Hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 14:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #info The RC2 is open now and all backports are proposed and in process of merging | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #info Expect RC2 for Neutron to land tomorrow or Thursday at the latest | 14:01 |
| mestery | Thanks to all who worked tirelessly to make this happen! | 14:01 |
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| mestery | I have one request | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174228/ | 14:01 |
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| mestery | It would be great to land that patch in master today and get it cherry-picked back to stable/kilo today as well | 14:02 |
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| mestery | HenryG salv-orlando amotoki: Can you guys review that one ASAP? | 14:02 |
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| amotoki | mestery: sure | 14:02 |
| mestery | It's a security fix so landing it prior to release woudl be good | 14:02 |
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| armax_ | hello | 14:02 |
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| mestery | lol | 14:02 |
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| mestery | armax_: Also, your eyes here would be good https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174228/ | 14:02 |
| salv-orlando | I thought we already approved it last weekend... | 14:03 |
| mestery | See discussion above | 14:03 |
| armax_ | mestery: looking | 14:03 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I guess it didn't make it in | 14:03 |
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| mestery | Anyways, lets not bike shed on this one right now, but if we coudl, lets try to get it in shape and merged today and proposed to stable/kilo (whew!) | 14:03 |
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| salv-orlando | I'm not sure if we want to ask the author to address pc_m 's comments. anyway | 14:03 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Me either, I looked and would be fine either way | 14:04 |
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| armax_ | yeah I think so | 14:04 |
| mestery | pc_m: Would you be ok removing yoru -1 so we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174228/ | 14:04 |
| armax_ | that’s user input we’re talking about | 14:04 |
| mestery | armax_: Makes sense | 14:04 |
| pc_m | mestery: Checking, but should be able to. | 14:04 |
| mestery | OK, lets keep moving | 14:04 |
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| mestery | We're still in announcements | 14:05 |
| mestery | :) | 14:05 |
| mestery | A reminder on the mid-cycle(s) | 14:05 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060713.html | 14:05 |
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| mestery | And one more announcement | 14:05 |
| mestery | #info sc68cal has volunteered to be our Nova liaison | 14:05 |
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| mestery | He'll be attending nova meetings and working as the go-to for nova/neutron things | 14:05 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Is agenda for mid-cycle defined yet? | 14:05 |
| mestery | Thanks for volunteering sc68cal! | 14:05 |
| russellb | awesome | 14:05 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:05 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: It's on the etherpad and forming now | 14:05 |
| sc68cal | :) | 14:06 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:06 |
| emagana_ | go for it sc68cal | 14:06 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: I want to suggest an item for agenda - will ping you off line | 14:06 |
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| mestery | Any other announcements from anyone? If not, we'll move to bugs in 60 seconds. | 14:06 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Sounds good! | 14:06 |
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| salv-orlando | thanks sc68cal it takes some masochism to volunteer for nova liaisoning ;) | 14:06 |
| emagana_ | mestery: reminder on the Doc Day | 14:06 |
| mestery | emagana_: Good call! Do you ahve a link we can #link? | 14:07 |
| emagana_ | mestery: Networking Guide needs your love folks! | 14:07 |
| emagana_ | hold on! | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orlando: :) | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | Oh one more thing, I'm going to be using this etherpad to collect things - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-neutron | 14:07 |
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| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-neutron | 14:08 |
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| amotoki | doc sprint http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061850.html and subsequent mails in the thread. | 14:08 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061850.html | 14:08 |
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| mestery | Thanks amotoki | 14:08 |
| emagana | The etherpad is: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 14:09 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 14:09 |
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| mestery | Thanks emagana! | 14:09 |
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| mestery | OK, we'll move on to bugs next. | 14:09 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:09 |
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| mestery | enikanorov enikanorov__: Hi! | 14:09 |
| armax | back | 14:09 |
| mestery | armax: Is that really you this time? | 14:09 |
| mestery | ;) | 14:09 |
| mestery | OK, in lieu of enikanorov__ enikanorov being here | 14:10 |
| mestery | I wanted to thank pc_m for taking the time to go through all 38 VPN bugs last week | 14:10 |
| armax | mestery: I know you skipped the last summit | 14:10 |
| mestery | He triaged them, tagged them, and cleaned them up | 14:10 |
| mestery | Thanks pc_m! | 14:10 |
| pc_m | sure np | 14:10 |
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| mestery | armax: Any gate issues we should be aware of today? OR bugs trackign those gate issues? | 14:11 |
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| armax | I am keeping an eye on it | 14:11 |
| mestery | armax: I'll take that as "we're in good shape!" | 14:12 |
| mestery | ;) | 14:12 |
| pc_m | armax: Did you see Jenkins for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171874/? | 14:12 |
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| armax | there are a few nuisances that cause the functional job to barf, but I don’t have enough data points yet | 14:12 |
| mestery | armax: Yes, I noticed that as well. | 14:12 |
| armax | pc_m: of course I did, I +2 it | 14:12 |
| mestery | lol | 14:12 |
| pc_m | armax: Keeps failing Jenkins... | 14:12 |
| armax | pc_m: or you mean the functional job? | 14:12 |
| pc_m | armax: yes | 14:12 |
| armax | no, that I haven’t | 14:13 |
| armax | pc_m: wow, that’s bad | 14:13 |
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| armax | something must’ve screwed up | 14:13 |
| armax | I’ll look into it | 14:13 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m working on bug 1446261 | 14:13 |
| openstack | bug 1446261 in neutron "gate-neutron-dsvm-functional race fails HA/DVR tests with network namespace not found" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446261 - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 14:13 |
| pc_m | armax: It had a timeout error and I did a recheck, with a bunch other errors now. | 14:14 |
| salv-orlando | so is the gate actually in a terrible shape | 14:14 |
| yamamoto | armax: pc_m: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175713/ | 14:14 |
| armax | salv-orlando: I have seen worse | 14:14 |
| ihrachyshka | how did it sneak in | 14:14 |
| mestery | yamamoto: thanks | 14:15 |
| amotoki | All of the failure is due to AttributeError: 'ARPSpoofTestCase' object has no attribute '_create_namespace' and the review from yamamoto seems to fix it. | 14:15 |
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| ihrachyshka | there should be a hole in our gate | 14:15 |
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| mestery | lol | 14:15 |
| amotoki | oh. it is already in the gate! | 14:15 |
| mestery | amotoki: I was quick | 14:16 |
| mestery | yamamoto: Thanks for that! | 14:16 |
| yamamoto | mestery: you're welcome! | 14:16 |
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| * mestery waits 30 seconds for any more bugs to pop up in the meeting before moving on | 14:16 | |
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| armax | guys it’s 7am here…slow down I can’t keep up! | 14:16 |
| * mestery gets armax some coffee | 14:17 | |
| mestery | armax: I'm on my third cup already, try to keep up! :) | 14:17 |
| armax | so what is in the gate? | 14:17 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 14:17 |
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| mestery | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175713/ | 14:17 |
| anteaya | armax: I hear ya | 14:17 |
| Sukhdev | me too armax :-) | 14:18 |
| armax | mestery: gotcha, I was also looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175609/ and I got confused | 14:18 |
| mestery | lol | 14:18 |
| mestery | As amotoki said, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175713/ appears to fix the ARPSoofTestCase failures seen recently | 14:18 |
| * mestery watches snow fall outside his window | 14:18 | |
| armax | oh I see what’s going on | 14:19 |
| SridharG | Can you pls review the following patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175342/ | 14:19 |
| armax | until we plug the hole with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171874/ I think we’re exposed | 14:19 |
| pc_m | armax: Yeah, I have a VPN commit that depends on that (the fix added in) | 14:20 |
| mestery | armax: Yes, but that one will fail until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175713/ merges, right? | 14:20 |
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| armax | yes | 14:20 |
| HenryG | We also need https://review.openstack.org/175462 but amuller need to update it | 14:20 |
| * mestery hopes armax is writing all this down | 14:20 | |
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| mestery | OK, shall we move on? | 14:21 |
| salv-orlando | I have not followed the history of these issues. But can you shed some light on what led us to a situation where we need 3 indepdent patches to get to gate stability? | 14:21 |
| salv-orlando | (if you want, otherwise do not mind) | 14:21 |
| mestery | lol | 14:22 |
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| marun | Is that really unprecedented? | 14:22 |
| salv-orlando | well, let's conclude that it has been an unlucky coincidence of events and move on | 14:22 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: it's all in the functional tests job | 14:23 |
| mestery | Yes, lets keep rolling | 14:23 |
| HenryG | the bugs are in the tests | 14:23 |
| mestery | Lots more to cover | 14:23 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: do you mean that if I look at the functional test job I'll have my answers? Anyway, it does not matter - I was just curious | 14:23 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 14:24 |
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| * mestery waves at emagana | 14:24 | |
| armax | salv-orlando: there was a problem with discoverability of tests whereby failures made the tests be silently dropped | 14:24 |
| mestery | emagana: Looks like the sprint is coming up quickly! | 14:24 |
| emagana | mestery: nothing more! | 14:24 |
| mestery | emagana: :) | 14:24 |
| mestery | I'll juist link it here | 14:24 |
| emagana | mestery: already mentioned the sprint... | 14:24 |
| mestery | #info Networking Guide Doc Day: April 23rd 2015 | 14:24 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: therefore rather than having a failed run, we were only running only the tests that worked | 14:24 |
| armax | salv-orlando: pretty nasty stuff | 14:24 |
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| mestery | #topic Liberty Design Summit | 14:25 |
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| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 14:25 |
| salv-orlando | armax: so multiple failures sneaked it unknowingly | 14:25 |
| armax | salv-orlando: that led us to the situation were errors were sneaking in undetected | 14:25 |
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| mestery | There are ... lots of ideas on that etherpad. | 14:25 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: once marun restored order in the kingdom the errors started to pop up | 14:25 |
| mestery | However, I thought it would be obvious that people should put their names next to ideas | 14:25 |
| mestery | But it wasn't | 14:25 |
| mestery | So, please put your names next to your ideas | 14:25 |
| mestery | Otherwise, it will be hard for me to set the schedule up if I have no idea who proposed an idea | 14:25 |
| * mestery waits for etherpad.openstack.org to go down as people rush to fill in their names | 14:26 | |
| mestery | Once RC2 is out this week, I'll work in earnest to get the schedule setup | 14:26 |
| salv-orlando | armax: thanks, but we moved on now. Just let's make sure that fixes are backported if they need to. | 14:26 |
| xgerman | lol | 14:26 |
| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 14:26 |
| armax | salv-orlando: they will | 14:26 |
| anteaya | if folks are seeing etherpad issues now, let us know | 14:26 |
| mestery | That's the master blaster spreadsheet for the summit | 14:26 |
| mestery | We have a split schedule | 14:26 |
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| mestery | Fishbowls in the morning, working groups in the afternoon | 14:26 |
| mestery | And I'm working with nova folks (including anteaya) on a nova/neutron session around nova-network | 14:27 |
| mestery | Any questions on the Summit? | 14:27 |
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| marun | Nova neutron interaction? | 14:27 |
| salv-orlando | I think he mean joint session | 14:27 |
| marun | Is there interest from nova this cycle? | 14:27 |
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| mestery | marun: Yes | 14:28 |
| salv-orlando | I know beagles started some work, but I lost track of it back in february | 14:28 |
| mestery | marun: I'm working with jonthetubaguy on this right now in fact | 14:28 |
| marun | Cool | 14:28 |
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| mestery | marun: I expect you in attendance at that session now you realize ;) | 14:28 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: if johnthetubaguy does not comply... | 14:29 |
| dougwig | that's the session where the first half is nova telling us what they want, and the second half is us telling them they really don't, and why they want something else instead. it's super fun, and not at all dysfunctional. | 14:29 |
| salv-orlando | I know where he lives ;))) | 14:29 |
| anteaya | let's have a postive outlook please | 14:29 |
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| mestery | dougwig: I expect you and kevinbenton to just keep saying "provider networks" over and over. | 14:29 |
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| mestery | And I agree with anteaya | 14:29 |
| anteaya | many people wnat to find a solution to this for many reasons | 14:29 |
| mestery | anteaya: ++ | 14:29 |
| anteaya | let's be open to finding a solution | 14:29 |
| dougwig | indeed, my positivity sounds negative before noon. sorry. :) | 14:29 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 14:30 |
| salv-orlando | mestery, anteaya, dougwig: so we definetely need a fishbowl session ;) | 14:30 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: It's already penciled in ;) | 14:30 |
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| mestery | OK folks, if there are no more summit things, lets keep rolling | 14:30 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: thanks a lot for sorting this out. | 14:30 |
| anteaya | I'd prefer 12 folks in a locked room but I don't get what I want | 14:30 |
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| mestery | lol | 14:30 |
| mestery | #topic Neutron as the default in devstack | 14:30 |
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| dougwig | anteaya: +1 | 14:30 |
| mestery | sc68cal: HEre? | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | hello | 14:31 |
| mestery | sc68cal: This is your section | 14:31 |
| sc68cal | mestery: thanks | 14:31 |
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| sc68cal | So, we *do* have linux bridge almost passing at the gate. There is just some things we need to sort out for the ironic job | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | salv-orlando: yeah, he does know where I live. would love to catch up before the summit so the summit is more productive | 14:31 |
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| mestery | #info linux bridge agent passing at the gate, a few issues with the ironic job to sort out | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/he does/you do/ | 14:32 |
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| mestery | johnthetubaguy: I've been in meetings all morning, replying to yoru email in a bit to sort that out | 14:32 |
| salv-orlando | johnthetubaguy: anyplace but the pub in cambourne works for me | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | I've tried to say a couple times on the ML thread that yes, there is controversy about switching to LB as default, but we get nova-network deprecated / not the default anymore | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | that puts us ahead in my book | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | salv-orlando: lol, I am good with greens sometime, ping me | 14:33 |
| salv-orlando | anyway sc68cal what's going to be the test matrix for ovs/linux bridge in the gate | 14:33 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: That's really the crux of it I think | 14:33 |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: we'd add jobs to test both ovs and lb | 14:33 |
| dougwig | sc68cal: i'm not sure I heard disagreement so much as the usual sdn versus flat arguments. | 14:33 |
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| sc68cal | i've spoken with sdague and he thinks that having jobs for ovs and jobs for lb is a good step | 14:33 |
| dougwig | sc68cal: the answer to which is 'both', imo, so it's not an issue. | 14:33 |
| mestery | sc68cal: ++ | 14:33 |
| mestery | dougwig: Exactly | 14:34 |
| mestery | And I agree that getting to default to neutron with LB is a good first step | 14:34 |
| mestery | Thanks for driving this sc68cal! | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | can field further questions, otherwise I yield my time | 14:34 |
| mestery | In the interest of keeping moving, lets take questions to you in #openstack-neutron post meeting | 14:34 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal! | 14:35 |
| sc68cal | good idea | 14:35 |
| mestery | #topic Moving stackforge/networking-* repos into openstack/ and under the Neutron team. | 14:35 |
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| mestery | russellb: Hi! | 14:35 |
| russellb | o/ | 14:35 |
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| russellb | so ... i'm working on OVN and the stackforge/networking-ovn thing to hook Neutron up to it. | 14:35 |
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| russellb | It seems to me that it makes perfect sense for networking-ovn to be considered an OpenStack project | 14:35 |
| russellb | all OpenStack projects are owned by an official team | 14:35 |
| russellb | so, my request is to see what you all think of adopting this under Neutron | 14:36 |
| russellb | and then, if yes to that, what else that implies for the rest of the networking-foo projects | 14:36 |
| mestery | The obvious initial answer is: "All open source networking-foo things under stackforge" | 14:36 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: while I agree that ovn is open source, and it is more suitable to be openstack than some commercial integration thing | 14:36 |
| russellb | as in, networking-foo where foo is an open source thing? | 14:36 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: yeah | 14:36 |
| mestery | russellb: Yeah | 14:37 |
| marun | I think it needs to mature before we want to take ownership. | 14:37 |
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| mestery | For instance, networking-odl | 14:37 |
| mestery | networking-ofagent | 14:37 |
| mestery | etc. | 14:37 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: for instance, why should ovn be openstack and not, for instance, midonet? | 14:37 |
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| russellb | why not midonet? | 14:37 |
| marun | We've been pushing stuff off our plate so we can focus on stabilizing common elements. | 14:37 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, networking-midonet | 14:37 |
| russellb | i'd argue that they should all be under neutron, personally | 14:37 |
| russellb | all of them that want to be | 14:37 |
| marun | russellb: someday | 14:37 |
| mestery | Right, we won't just unilaterally acquire them all :) | 14:37 |
| marun | But not yet | 14:37 |
| armax | my take would be to defer this type of decision once we can definitely claim that the decomp effort is complete | 14:38 |
| russellb | i'm also not arguing that you should have to pay attention to them | 14:38 |
| russellb | let them be run like they are | 14:38 |
| armax | I don’t think we’re at that point yet | 14:38 |
| mestery | They have their own core review teams already | 14:38 |
| egon | Maybe gate move them only at some level of maturity/usability? | 14:38 |
| russellb | but recognize that they're efforts under Neutron | 14:38 |
| marun | Then why do they need to be under our umbrella? | 14:38 |
| salv-orlando | russellb, mestery: my only argument are that are either all openstack or none. Notwithstanding that being openstack or stackforge is pretty much just a badge for me | 14:38 |
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| russellb | salv-orlando: +1 fwiw | 14:38 |
| mestery | +1 | 14:38 |
| marun | If the intent isn't to gain attention away from other more important stuffz | 14:38 |
| russellb | no attention needed | 14:38 |
| mestery | I'm in favor of this proposal to be honest | 14:38 |
| armax | to me a namespace change makes very little difference, so either openstack or stackforge I am not really swayed one way or another | 14:39 |
| mestery | These projects already have their own core teams | 14:39 |
| marun | salv-orlando: +1 | 14:39 |
| russellb | just think it makes sense to consider it openstack, get ATC status, etc | 14:39 |
| mestery | We just want them in our (bigger) tent | 14:39 |
| mestery | Big Tent! | 14:39 |
| mestery | It's a networking big tent! | 14:39 |
| dougwig | can i suggest a spec in gerrit where the discussion can continue? | 14:39 |
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| armax | but I’d rather have less churn for the time being | 14:39 |
| mestery | Or a patch to project-config? | 14:39 |
| salv-orlando | it used to be a tent. Now it's a stadium | 14:39 |
| mestery | lol | 14:39 |
| russellb | what would a spec say | 14:39 |
| mestery | I'd say a patch in gerrit | 14:39 |
| mestery | russellb: What agbout that? | 14:39 |
| russellb | it's a 1 line governance repo patch | 14:39 |
| mestery | Yup | 14:40 |
| mestery | We coudl discuss there? | 14:40 |
| russellb | i can do that .. | 14:40 |
| dougwig | russellb: under devref, a new process for networking- stackforge projects to be considered under the neutron project in openstack/ | 14:40 |
| mestery | I sense we won't get to conclusion in this meeting on this issue, thus the patch for discussion? | 14:40 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yes the discussion should be move there. It's one of those things where people outside of neutron would probably like to chime in | 14:40 |
| mestery | dougwig: So, in neutron not neutron-specs? Interesting. | 14:40 |
| armax | it’s not about the complexity of the change per se | 14:40 |
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| armax | I just don’t like the idea of changing something like a namespace whilst things in flight | 14:41 |
| mestery | I think it's simply a matter of moving open source thigns from stackforge to neutron | 14:41 |
| mestery | No change to core teams | 14:41 |
| mestery | they already have their own | 14:41 |
| mestery | They just fall into our stadium | 14:41 |
| mestery | What issues do people have with that? | 14:41 |
| russellb | i think they should have all been openstack/* in the first place, personally :) | 14:41 |
| dougwig | as defined today, it does add load to these specs team. | 14:41 |
| russellb | anyway, will propose some stuff in gerrit. | 14:41 |
| dougwig | /these/the/ | 14:42 |
| ihrachyshka | russellb, arista? midonet? bigswitch? cisco? all of them? | 14:42 |
| salv-orlando | hdn? | 14:42 |
| ijw | You called? | 14:42 |
| russellb | all of them that want to be, yes | 14:42 |
| mestery | *sigh* | 14:42 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: of course hdn. | 14:42 |
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| mestery | #action russellb to propose patch to governance to move stackforge networking-foo projects under neutron | 14:42 |
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| salv-orlando | dougwig: I have also a blueprint for "mmaas" - middle man as a service. | 14:42 |
| russellb | and meet base openstack project criteria, passes the "one of us" test | 14:42 |
| egon | +1 | 14:43 |
| russellb | mestery: i'd prefer to only propose ovn, because others should make a positive action to indicate they want to | 14:43 |
| mestery | russellb: Makes sense | 14:43 |
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| russellb | but i can also write some neutron docs around it | 14:43 |
| mestery | Honestly | 14:43 |
| mestery | In the spirit of the giant stadium | 14:43 |
| mestery | I think we'll open the floodgates | 14:43 |
| mestery | But | 14:43 |
| mestery | Maybe that's ok | 14:44 |
| salv-orlando | also because I frankly do not think "benefits" like ATC status should be given to contributors whose only goal is integrating a specific technology with neutron | 14:44 |
| mestery | I don't know | 14:44 |
| salv-orlando | you have to bring some benefits to the project - either to its user, to it developers, or operators. | 14:44 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: +1 | 14:44 |
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| salv-orlando | but if you do integration only with your technology, and that's commercial, you're likely to be benefiting only your employer and/or your customers | 14:44 |
| marun | I think the onus is on these projects to justify being in the namespace. | 14:44 |
| mestery | marun: ++ | 14:45 |
| salv-orlando | for instance, would you every take stackforge/vmware-nsx to be an openstack project? | 14:45 |
| marun | The default, frankly, should be 'no'. | 14:45 |
| salv-orlando | s/every/ever/ | 14:45 |
| amotoki | one point I would like to say from another view is what is a difference between dirvers for opensource one and vendor one. For cinder, driver maintainers will get ATC status and for neutron NOT. It is inconsistent. | 14:45 |
| mestery | amotoki: Not true, we still have shims in-tree | 14:45 |
| marun | Why does consistency matter, exactly? | 14:45 |
| mestery | amotoki: Also, we're a year ahead of cinder | 14:45 |
| mestery | They are lagging us by a year | 14:45 |
| amotoki | mestery: right. | 14:45 |
| salv-orlando | amotoki: that is a fair point, but I'm not entirely sure that cinder is doing the right thing. Still we should be consistent. | 14:46 |
| mestery | they will get to decomp once they realize what a mess it is to have everything in-tree | 14:46 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 14:46 |
| amotoki | i just want to raise a question we will have. | 14:46 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: -- to consistent | 14:46 |
| mestery | Why do we need to be consistent? | 14:46 |
| marun | I'd rather we do right by our project than be consistent for its own sake. | 14:46 |
| mestery | We can't force cinder to adopt our policies much as they can't force us to adopt theirs. | 14:46 |
| mestery | marun: ++ | 14:46 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: by "we" I meant us and cinder... cinder should be consistent with us, I think ;) | 14:46 |
| anteaya | amotoki: I am working to try to bring projects with third party interactions to more consistency but there is work to do | 14:46 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Fair enough | 14:46 |
| emagana | mestery: because neutron by itself is nothing.. we all together are openstack! | 14:46 |
| marun | salv-orlando: if it makes sense for them, sure. | 14:46 |
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| mestery | emagana: That's great in theory, but each project is also a microcasm | 14:47 |
| salv-orlando | marun, mestery: right. Ultimately it's their call. | 14:47 |
| marun | But different community, different vendors, maybe the same rules don't make sense? | 14:47 |
| mestery | Lets not get into forcing poilicy and culture from the top down | 14:47 |
| emagana | mestery: well, we need to find the way to influence properly the other teams | 14:47 |
| mestery | That's a shed I have no interest in painting today | 14:47 |
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| mestery | OK | 14:47 |
| mestery | Lets move on | 14:47 |
| salv-orlando | as russellb pointed out being "openstack" is just a badge from a technical perspective, but brings some benefits such as ATC status | 14:47 |
| mestery | We're done here with this for now. | 14:47 |
| mestery | #topic LBaaS | 14:47 |
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| salv-orlando | ok done | 14:47 |
| mestery | xgerman: You're up! | 14:47 |
| emagana | mestery: in every operators meetup... neutron is the weak link.. and we are doing the best compare with other projects.. mmhh something is wrong! | 14:47 |
| xgerman | I am | 14:47 |
| mestery | xgerman: What did you want to discuss today? | 14:48 |
| xgerman | So we ran into the problem that you can specify a random (non existant) tenant-id when you are crerating an lb as an admin | 14:48 |
| dougwig | from his agenda item: "We ran into the problem that if an admin user adds a loadbalancer he can specify any, even a wrong id. We have been referred to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1200585 and we don't agree with the consensus that because an admin knows what they are doing there shouldn't be any validation/verification of that parameter." | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1200585 in neutron "floatingip-create doesn't check if tenant_id exists or enabled" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Jian Wen (wenjianhn) | 14:48 |
| xgerman | we feel that this tenant-id should be validated | 14:48 |
| xgerman | and when we file that bug we always get told that bug already covers it | 14:49 |
| salv-orlando | xgerman: the same applies to every operation | 14:49 |
| xgerman | and I disagree that an admin can't make mistakes and we should balidate | 14:49 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: i think he's disagreeing with the general answer, not that it relates. | 14:49 |
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| mestery | xgerman: Seems like as salv-orlando indicates, this is the same for every operation | 14:49 |
| salv-orlando | xgerman: that's fine by me. Doing a validation requires an extra round trip to keystone or some sort of cache | 14:49 |
| salv-orlando | if you can make that in a way that it does not affect scalability I'm fine to have it | 14:50 |
| salv-orlando | so that we can go and implement that validation also in nova for instance | 14:50 |
| egon | Is there any value to an admin being able to create an LB for an ID that is *going* to exist? | 14:50 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1200585 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1200585 in neutron "floatingip-create doesn't check if tenant_id exists or enabled" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Jian Wen (wenjianhn) | 14:50 |
| * mestery links the bug for meeting logs | 14:50 | |
| xgerman | ok, so we all agree it should be done but we don't know how | 14:50 |
| marun | Admin use isn't likely to cause a scale issue | 14:51 |
| xgerman | egon, yes: If you get a support call | 14:51 |
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| xgerman | marun +1 | 14:51 |
| marun | How does nova handle this? | 14:51 |
| marun | All openstack projects must have this problem | 14:51 |
| salv-orlando | marun: yeah they have | 14:52 |
| salv-orlando | Some might have added a keystone check in the pipeline in the meanwhile but I'm not aware of that | 14:52 |
| marun | salv-orlando: they have the problem or already address it? | 14:52 |
| salv-orlando | I think the tenant-id is not validated. | 14:52 |
| salv-orlando | which btw is project-id in most projects now | 14:52 |
| egon | xgerman: I agree with the support call case, but doesn't that argue for not validating? | 14:53 |
| xgerman | people mistype stuff all the time | 14:53 |
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| xgerman | so I am advocating for validating | 14:53 |
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| marun_ | this sounds like something keystone middleware should take care of | 14:53 |
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| marun_ | rather then every project doing it independently | 14:54 |
| mestery | marun_: ++ | 14:54 |
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| mestery | What is the action item here then> | 14:54 |
| mestery | ? | 14:54 |
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| mestery | xgerman: Are you going to talk to the keystone folks to see what can be done there? | 14:54 |
| xgerman | yes, will do | 14:54 |
| marun | keystone middleware -> keystone client api | 14:54 |
| xgerman | #action xgerman talk to keystone about project id validation | 14:55 |
| marun | Since we won't know whether validation is required until after the initial auth check | 14:55 |
| mestery | Thanks xgerman ! | 14:55 |
| mestery | OK, < 5 minutes left lets move on | 14:55 |
| mestery | #topic neutron-lib | 14:55 |
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| mestery | dougwig: 4 minutes sir :) | 14:55 |
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| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154736/ | 14:55 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154736/ | 14:56 |
| dougwig | this agenda item is to get some eyeballs on the neutron-lib spec. we'd like to get some of the groundwork laid *before* the summit, so we can do some work during one of the friday sprints. if the summit decides against it, we can always abandon, but i can't speed up the repo creation/skeleton process. | 14:56 |
| mestery | dougwig: Note we only have a single firday sprint in the morning | 14:57 |
| mestery | #info Please review neutron-lib sprint so we can work to consensus and use sprint time at the summit to make progress | 14:57 |
| mestery | Thanks dougwig! | 14:57 |
| anteaya | dougwig: I suggested to mestery and I'll suggest to you it wouldn't hurt to have an item on the infra agenda to ensure the steps for splitting are supported | 14:57 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:57 |
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| dougwig | anteaya: it's already there for today. :) | 14:57 |
| xek | I'd like to mention that I submitted a spec for versioned-objects https://review.openstack.org/168955 | 14:57 |
| anteaya | dougwig: awesome thanks | 14:57 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: if neutron-lib is approved.... why don't we agree to put on hold all the other "refactorings" | 14:57 |
| xek | there will also be two meetings (hopefuly) related to versioned-objects at the summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 14:57 |
| salv-orlando | we know we can hardly deal with one. | 14:57 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Even the splitting out of the reference implementation? | 14:58 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/168955 | 14:58 |
| mestery | thanks xek! | 14:58 |
| marun | if we split out the reference impl, that will change the game for neutron lib I think | 14:58 |
| xek | (I'll be at the summit) | 14:58 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: possibly, but I do not know how many things pertaining to agents neutron-lib refactoring will touch | 14:58 |
| mestery | I think we have to split out the reference implementation | 14:59 |
| dougwig | marun: i've heard that, and i'd like to hear more. i'm not sure i agree, since neutron will still be about agents and rest and whatnot. it'll get skinnier, yes. | 14:59 |
| mestery | I'll work with dougwig on the order there | 14:59 |
| salv-orlando | knowing how entangled things are in neutron, I would be cautious | 14:59 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 14:59 |
| marun | dougwig: agents get shunted out | 14:59 |
| mestery | Wise words | 14:59 |
| mestery | OK 30 seconds left | 14:59 |
| marun | dougwig: they are part of ref impl | 14:59 |
| mestery | Thanks for attending! | 14:59 |
| mestery | Be on the lookout for an RC2 in the next two days! | 14:59 |
| salv-orlando | adieeeuuuuu | 14:59 |
| xgerman | bye | 14:59 |
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| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| Sukhdev | amotokibye | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 14:59:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-21-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-21-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| hichihara | bye | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-21-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| marun | ciao | 14:59 |
| HoangCX | Thanks! Bye | 14:59 |
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| fawadkhaliq | bye! | 14:59 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: you wnat to type "all" | 15:00 |
| amotoki | bye | 15:00 |
| annp | bye | 15:00 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: aye, the neutron-lib work doesn't aim to be a big bang, or even to finish in one cycle. the entangling is daunting. | 15:00 |
| bauzas | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 15:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | folks, who's here to talk about the sched efforts ? | 15:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
| bauzas | n0ano can't make the call today, so I'm chairing it | 15:01 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: don't know what happened - was typing bye - still sleepy I guess :-):-) | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | Sukhdev: FYI, we started a new meeting | 15:01 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: :-) I think you just typed "tab" or something too first.. | 15:01 |
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| amotoki | sorry for botherig. | 15:02 |
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| Sukhdev | bauzas: sorry | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: sounds like I will have to offer beers at Vancouver again | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | so, the next one raising hand is giving a free beer for Vancouver | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | given | 15:04 |
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| not_edleafe | o/ | 15:05 |
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| egon | I'll raise my hand, but I was just here to watch. | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: eh :) | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: burned by IRC | 15:06 |
| bauzas | (17:05:18) edleafe est désormais connu sous le nom de not_edleafe | 15:06 |
| edleafe | oh, that was definitely not me! | 15:07 |
| bauzas | ah ah | 15:07 |
| bauzas | ok, let's start, it should be quick | 15:07 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 15:07 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | so, no precise agenda today as I was afk for 2 days because I ran a meetup | 15:08 |
| bauzas | that said, FYI, I just presented our efforts at the meetup and I gave good feedback :) | 15:08 |
| edleafe | bauzas: good to hear! | 15:08 |
| bauzas | most of our work is being silently supported, so thanks guys | 15:08 |
| bauzas | anything you want to discuss ? Vancouver maybe ? | 15:09 |
| egon | I was looking at scheduler options in the tree. It looks like we're down to a filter scheduler, and an ironic scheduler? | 15:09 |
| bauzas | egon: nah, Ironic still uses the FilterScheduler | 15:09 |
| bauzas | egon: Ironic just has a different HostManager for counting resources, that's it | 15:10 |
| egon | bauzas: got it. thanks! | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | so, guys, maybe a few pointers | 15:10 |
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| egon | So, the trick if you want some new rule/behavior is to add someting in a filter. | 15:10 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | egon: yup | 15:10 |
| bauzas | so, L83 and follows are the BPs I'm targeting for L | 15:11 |
| edleafe | egon: also the caching scheduler | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: and the ChanceScheduler too :) | 15:11 |
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| edleafe | heh | 15:12 |
| bauzas | egon: http://sbauza.github.io/2015/04/20/#/ | 15:12 |
| bauzas | egon: you'll find some materials about how works the scheduler | 15:12 |
| egon | bauzas: perfect | 15:13 |
| * bauzas didn't want to tease, but that's it | 15:13 | |
| bauzas | egon: you'll be missing the presenter's comments, but I guess it's self-explanatory | 15:13 |
| bauzas | so, back to our Liberty planning | 15:13 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: edleafe: feel free to amend some points in the etherpad if you want | 15:14 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: ok | 15:14 |
| bauzas | nothing really new but https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/shared-state-scheduler | 15:14 |
| bauzas | I'm working on a POC before writing the spec | 15:15 |
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| alex_xu | cool, will read it | 15:16 |
| bauzas | okay, I assume there is no real other question nor point | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: ? | 15:16 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: in general, will this be a scheduler-owmed db backing the shared state? | 15:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I would prefer call it a datastore | 15:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but that would be driver-driven | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so yeah basically the POC would be using the regular SQLA wiring | 15:17 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: so that removes the need to constantly query the nova db? | 15:17 |
| bauzas | edleafe: no, that's orthogonal | 15:18 |
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| egon | Reducing race conditions would be great. | 15:18 |
| egon | We see double-scheduling of compute nodes when certain requests are made close together. | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I mean, populating the datastore would still be needed, but yeah it would just make sure that updating HostState would be something transactional | 15:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ok, I'll wait for the spec then | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: wait for the POC rather | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | okay, anything else ? | 15:21 |
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| edleafe | not from me | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | ok, crickets | 15:22 |
| bauzas | I guess we can safely go back to our various concerns | 15:23 |
| bauzas | ty all | 15:23 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 15:23:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-04-21-15.00.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-04-21-15.00.txt | 15:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 17:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | hm | 17:00 |
| serg_melikyan | Welcome to the weekly meeting :) | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: it's rally meeting time | 17:00 |
| serg_melikyan | boris-42: nope | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: yes | 17:01 |
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| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: every week on this time | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: we had meeting | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | boris-42: nope :) We had meeting here for years :) | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: and we as well | 17:01 |
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| boris-42 | hmm | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 17:01:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-21-17.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-21-17.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-04-21-17.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | boris-42: my bad, wrong channel :'( | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 17:02:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ping | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: ping | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | boris-42: sorry :) | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | It was funny - I was deadly sure that it is our meeting :) | 17:03 |
| boris-42 | serg_melikyan: =)) | 17:03 |
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| msdubov_ | boris-42:hi! | 17:05 |
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| oanufriev | hi, guys | 17:05 |
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| rook | hey | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | rook: hi there | 17:06 |
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| rook | hey hey! | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | So should we start?) | 17:07 |
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| meteorfox | yes | 17:08 |
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| andreykurilin__ | hi all) | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | okay great=) | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | #topic Meeting changes | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | so we were asked not to move to our room * | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | and be in one of openstack-meeting rooms | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | so seems like it will be quite hard to chose some time for it | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: btw is it too early for you | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | if we move our meeting to 1-2 hours earlier? | 17:11 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: well, so when there's daylight saving, it's at 12 pm, and without daylight saving is at 11 am | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: ah so it's quite ok | 17:12 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: it's ok with me | 17:13 |
| dmellado | I guess it'd be great for most Europe-based folks ;) | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | dmellado: yep | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | okay I will try to find proper time to do the things | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | #topic 2 meetings / week | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | So we are going to have 2 meetings / week | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | One is related to release management and I would like to have it in #openstack-rally chat | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | another common (for discussion of everything) | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | we should keep in #openstack-meetings room | 17:17 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42 Let's do as you suggest | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | oK | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | #topic meeting Agenda | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_: are you ready to manage this? | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: ?? | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | so basically I think that we should do next things: | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | * create template for weekly agenda | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | * put all required info each week | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | * make rally meeting announce weekly | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | so not so much work | 17:20 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: Do you mean 'common' meetings? Not release meetings? | 17:20 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: Anyway I'm ready to take over this stuff | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: both | 17:21 |
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| msdubov_ | boris-42: Ok | 17:21 |
| redixin | is there an ird bot command like "add to meeting agenda" | 17:21 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: So weekly announce in openstack-dev? | 17:21 |
| redixin | we need simple way for adding items to agenda | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: wiki page | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: yep like other project does | 17:22 |
| redixin | wiki page is not simple way =) | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: day before the meeting they put in mailing list Rally meeting reminder | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_: with agenda | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | redixin: why? | 17:22 |
| redixin | you want me to answer lol? | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: yep | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | redixin: I do not understand | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | redixin: why it's hard to change wiki page to add new points | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | redixin: it's takes just few seconds | 17:23 |
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| redixin | as you say | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: Why not a google doc? | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: We use google docs for everything | 17:24 |
| redixin | lol | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: lol | 17:24 |
| msdubov_ | releases, roadmap, ... | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_: so usually projects are using wiki pages | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: but we can use google docs | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | any ideas? | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | anybody read this thread?) | 17:26 |
| dmellado | lol, yep ;) | 17:26 |
| redixin | please dont | 17:27 |
| dmellado | I wouldn't mind, just use the tool you're more comfortable with :) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so wiki or google docs? | 17:27 |
| redixin | wiki | 17:27 |
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| dmellado | for the meetings we could even use an etherpad :D | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | okay wiki=) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | i will creat inital version & template | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | #topic rally-coverage-job | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | Okay recently we made rally unit test coverage job voting | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | so now you can't merge patches without almot 100% unit test coverage | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | woot=) | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | #topic stackforge/rally -> openstack/rally | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | Okay we moved from stackforge to openstack finally!-) | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | woot | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Introducing rally-ci project | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: could you please say about it | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | because I believe people does not what it is | 17:29 |
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| redixin | rally-ci is daemon who listening gerrit stream and launching jobs | 17:30 |
| redixin | it very handy if you limited in resources | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | here is the link: https://github.com/redixin/rally-ci | 17:31 |
| redixin | rally-ci can run on localhost and start jobs in docker. it takes a few second from uploading patch to unittests results | 17:31 |
| redixin | it is not on review.openstack.org yet | 17:32 |
| redixin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166962/ | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: I hope it should be soon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166962/ | 17:32 |
| redixin | so thats it | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | redixin: you forgot the main part | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: that it simplifes running rally against every patch | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | redixin: on own hardware | 17:34 |
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| redixin | it simplifies running anything | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | okay | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | Any questions?? | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | seems like no questions =) | 17:35 |
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| clarkb | I have a qusetion | 17:35 |
| clarkb | does it run anything other than rally/tempest tests? | 17:35 |
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| redixin | clarkb, rally-ci? | 17:36 |
| clarkb | yes | 17:36 |
| redixin | currently it run rally vs devstack and MOS clouds, and also unit tests | 17:36 |
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| redixin | but it can run anything | 17:36 |
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| clarkb | also, was there a specific reason to not just use zuul which is also a daemon that listens to the gerrit even stream to launch jobs | 17:37 |
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| redixin | rally-ci is more flexible and less resources usage | 17:37 |
| clarkb | can you expand on that? how is it more flexible? and zuul resource usage should be pretty low | 17:38 |
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| redixin | is it possible to not use openstack for test vm's? | 17:39 |
| clarkb | yes | 17:39 |
| clarkb | you can use any gearman worker | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | clarkb: so basically what we would like is to call rally for creating env and then run rally to test it | 17:39 |
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| redixin | so i should use complex setup with jenkins zuul gearman | 17:40 |
| redixin | all this java stuff | 17:40 |
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| clarkb | http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=23&page=3 is resource usage. The node has a lot of RAM due to a tmpfs that is no longer in use, we should probably trim that node down | 17:40 |
| clarkb | redixin: you don't need any java stuff | 17:40 |
| redixin | or use one simple daemon on python with plugins and one simple config file | 17:40 |
| clarkb | redixin: thats exactly what zuul is | 17:41 |
| clarkb | its a simpel daemon written in python with one config file (well two if you count the ini to point at a gerrit) | 17:41 |
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| redixin | zuul is not simple | 17:42 |
| clarkb | boris-42: I am not sure what that means, but zuul runs rally many times per day for you already | 17:42 |
| clarkb | boris-42: so I think zuul can run rally... | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: okay I think we should investigate | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: this during next week | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: and continue discussion on next week | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | #topic Free discussion | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | anything to discuss? | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | boris-42: redixin the feedback would be good. I think we see zuul as fitting this mold and if there are problems with it that can be addressed filing bugs and other feedback is valuable | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | clarkb: thank you for taking part in meeting | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | clarkb: we deff need to ensure that rally-ci is not the clone of zuul | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: and if it is we need to migrate to zuul | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | if it is possible | 17:47 |
| redixin | the only problem with zuul is too complex for configuration | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | okay if nothing to discuss let's finish meeting | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 17:49:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-21-17.02.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-21-17.02.txt | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-21-17.02.log.html | 17:49 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:59 |
| marekd | bonjour! | 17:59 |
| stevemar | ping dolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, fmarco76, davechen, dims, ericksonsantos, erictchiu | 18:00 |
| rharwood | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
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| davechen | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | OYEZ | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | \o | 18:00 |
| stevemar | its that epic fun time of the week! | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | O/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | stevemar, you running this one? | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | He is. | 18:00 |
| htruta | \o | 18:00 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yep, our fearless leader is on a mobile devide | 18:00 |
| stevemar | device | 18:00 |
| lhcheng_ | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, he still doesn't realize you are grroming him as a replacement PTL. | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | Make sure he doesn't find out. | 18:01 |
| amakarov_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| stevemar | ayoung, who? what? where? | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | Hah | 18:01 |
| stevemar | i think we have enough | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| stevemar | folks can trickle in | 18:01 |
| ericksonsantos | \o | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 18:02:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | linky link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:02 |
| bknudson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:02 |
| stevemar | thanks bknudson :P | 18:02 |
| bknudson | meetbot doesn't get linky link yet, I don't think. | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #topic Meeting schedule | 18:02 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, you going to do the vote to see which irc nicks we can cull? | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #undo | 18:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xa7a0a50> | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic Rollcall | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| bknudson | don't put me on the roll call list. I've got a meeting invite anyways. | 18:03 |
| gyee | #vote yes! | 18:03 |
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| gyee | oops jump the gun there | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | #startvote Rollcall? here | 18:03 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Rollcall? Valid vote options are here. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | #vote here | 18:03 |
| rharwood | #vote here | 18:03 |
| bknudson | #vote abstain | 18:03 |
| openstack | bknudson: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:04 |
| raildo | #vote here | 18:04 |
| marekd | #vote here | 18:04 |
| davechen | #vote here | 18:04 |
| gyee | #vote here | 18:04 |
| david8hu | #vote here | 18:04 |
| lhcheng | #vote here | 18:04 |
| stevemar | #vote here | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | #vote here | 18:04 |
| amakarov_ | #vote here | 18:04 |
| ericksonsantos | #vote here | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | 10 more seconds.... | 18:04 |
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| jamielennox | hmm | 18:04 |
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| dstanek | #vote here | 18:04 |
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| htruta | #vote here | 18:04 |
| stevemar | quickly jamielennox ! | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #vote here | 18:04 |
| jamielennox | #vote here | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | #vote hiding-from-stevemar | 18:04 |
| openstack | morganfainberg: hiding-from-stevemar is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:05 |
| stevemar | #endvote | 18:05 |
| openstack | Voted on "Rollcall?" Results are | 18:05 |
| openstack | here (18): rodrigods, gyee, dstanek, ayoung, morganfainberg, lhcheng, dolphm, davechen, marekd, david8hu, samueldmq, ericksonsantos, amakarov_, htruta, jamielennox, rharwood, raildo, stevemar | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | ahhh. damn | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | I missed it | 18:05 |
| stevemar | alright, we should have a new rollcall list | 18:05 |
| stevemar | don't worry lbragstad i got your back | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | thanks stevemar! | 18:05 |
| stevemar | #topic Meeting schedule. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | it's a union of the first three meeitngs of the cycle fwiw | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | so... | 18:05 |
| stevemar | is everyone still good with this time? | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | this is the time to change it if we aren't good with this time. | 18:06 |
| bknudson | works for me. | 18:06 |
| amakarov_ | ++ | 18:06 |
| marekd | stevemar: whos is not essentially us-based now? | 18:06 |
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| bknudson | I only have to put up with it until dst ends. | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | henry-nash? | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, lol | 18:06 |
| marekd | me, henry, jamielennox | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods is not US. | 18:07 |
| htruta | neither are me and raildo | 18:07 |
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| marekd | morganfainberg: he is 'close to US-time zone' i think :-) | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 18:07 |
| htruta | but it's close | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | yea, later is always good - but it can't be any earlier for me | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | marekd, yep | 18:07 |
| bknudson | later works for me. | 18:07 |
| davechen | mareked: I am not in the US, but I am fine with it. | 18:07 |
| dstanek | later would be fine for me too | 18:07 |
| bknudson | I guess henrynash would not like later. | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | i think later not so good for the EU though | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | we could push this later but it might be bad for marekd and Henrynash | 18:07 |
| bknudson | and marekd | 18:07 |
| amakarov_ | meeting starts at 9pm for me and breton | 18:07 |
| marekd | davechen: what time is it now? | 18:08 |
| davechen | marekd: 2 AM here. | 18:08 |
| stevemar | 2am for davechen ? | 18:08 |
| gyee | I am fine so as long as it is between 9am - 5pm PST | 18:08 |
| dolphm | an hour or two later works for me, but i like to have time left in the day after the meeting | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | davechen, wow, serious trooper! :) | 18:08 |
| bknudson | several teams have 2 meeting times and switch off. | 18:08 |
| jamielennox | davechen: :O - damn | 18:08 |
| rodrigods | here is 3 PM, earlier and later is good | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'd like to avoid that unless we really really benefit from it. | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but if we have a diverse enough group we could do that | 18:08 |
| ayoung | Gonna be painful for someone no matter when we hold it | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, yep | 18:08 |
| marekd | stevemar: ok, so i think it's impossible to make it 'not to early (jamielennox would suffer)' and 'not too late (davechen will be angry)' | 18:09 |
| ayoung | keep it steady if no drive to change | 18:09 |
| bknudson | I don't think we know what we're missing since people don't show up if they're asleep. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | lets keep it where it is for now, and discuss if we want to alternate at the summit | 18:09 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:09 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: | 18:09 |
| jamielennox | i'm ok with where it is now | 18:09 |
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| marekd | ok | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | and if we want to, we'll find a slot and do alternating times or similar. | 18:09 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | onto next topic... | 18:10 |
| stevemar | #topic Liberty Priorities | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg, i think you have the floor, if you can type on phone fast enough | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-priority-specs | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | we have this etherpad | 18:11 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg is fast on the phone. | 18:11 |
| marekd | Apple (R) | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i got back home. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i was walking back from breakfast. but just sat down. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | anyway. etherpad, that is the general gist of what we're looking at | 18:11 |
| stevemar | i think we want to keep the amount of "new" features fairly small for liberty? | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | yes. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | our target is 5 "new" (read: api impacting) features | 18:12 |
| gyee | quality instead of quantity! | 18:12 |
| stevemar | gyee, that's the goal anyway | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | things like "refactor for stable ABIs" while feature-like, is not something i classify as a "new" feature | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, can anyone add ideas in there? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | samueldmq, yes | 18:12 |
| gyee | if your paycheck is depending on statanalytics that might be sad though :) | 18:12 |
| marekd | stevemar: morganfainberg: don't worry, i will come up with something federation-related sooner or later :-) | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, nice, thx | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | so, this week please check the list. please put your name with +/- vote for the various things | 18:13 |
| ayoung | Federation should be core | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | feel free to use | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | '++' for high priority | 18:13 |
| dstanek | gyee: if your paycheck depends on that you may want to find a new place to work :-) | 18:13 |
| stevemar | satanalytics hehe | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | next week we will cull this down and look to see what features have Specs proposed/pending for backlog | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | and determine what we're going to focus on | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | did we want to discuss any of the items here now? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, lets circle up at the end and discuss specifics then | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, so we can get through the rest of the schedule | 18:14 |
| stevemar | alright | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | also table the summit bits | 18:14 |
| stevemar | morgabra, skip to Midcycle update ? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, yep | 18:15 |
| stevemar | #topic Midcycle update | 18:15 |
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| stevemar | that's a while away, but alright | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | Since we had an overwhelming majorty wanting a midcycle | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | we are going to do one. I will send an email to the list this week or next. | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | confirming some details. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | let's have it someplace boring then nobody will want a midcycle. | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, has some info for us. | 18:15 |
| ayoung | OK...so here is my working assumptions | 18:16 |
| dstanek | bknudson: you can come to Cleveland then :-) | 18:16 |
| bknudson | cleveland rocks! | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i was thinking needles CA | 18:16 |
| ayoung | people want to have it in Boston...but not in Westford. | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | This sound about right? | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | Westford wouldn't be awful either if Boston isn't doable. | 18:16 |
| dstanek | i liked the cambridge idea someone had | 18:16 |
| ayoung | If we do Westford, RH can easily host etc. | 18:16 |
| bknudson | nova is having midcycle here in rochester. | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | if we have space, anywhere in that area would be good. | 18:17 |
| ayoung | Cambridge and Boston are pretty interchagnnable. i was looking in to Boston University...the MOC folks are willing to help out | 18:17 |
| david8hu | Levi's Standium in Santa Clara smells like a brand new car | 18:17 |
| dstanek | i would love someplace drivable! | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, BU would be awesome. | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: about time :) | 18:17 |
| ayoung | its a good location, and neutral company wise. | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | There are hotels along the river ,adn with Summer time, the schools should be out, and prices a little lower | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | I chatted quickly with the HP rep at the Boston OpenStack meetup, as well as Dell, and both are willing to helpout somewhat | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | i will also work to find out if we can do a hotel block. | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | I'll drive forward with this if I get a thumbs up from the team? | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | https://www.google.com/maps/place/Boston+University:+Physics+Department/@42.348381,-71.100336,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xbbd229e8b6463759?sa=X&ei=f5Q2Vf8pidqwBILWgNgB&ved=0CHcQ_BIwDQ | 18:18 |
| * morganfainberg likes the BU idea. | 18:19 | |
| ayoung | roughly the location | 18:19 |
| bknudson | I'm not picky. | 18:19 |
| stevemar | same | 18:19 |
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| david8hu | ayoung, you sure you dont want it in the Bahamas? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | david8hu, this way I don't have to travel | 18:19 |
| dstanek | BU sounds great | 18:19 |
| ayoung | I live two towns over | 18:19 |
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| morganfainberg | anyone against BU as a target? | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we don't have a release schedule yet... | 18:20 |
| bknudson | looks like there's some hotels in the vacinity. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | right and yes | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I'd probably target the one right across the river: | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | Hyatt Regency Cambridge | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | I need to swim? | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | but we'll do the due | 18:21 |
| ayoung | bknudson, in the Charles? | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | I'll join the rowing team | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Its very walkable. BU bridge is right there | 18:21 |
| stevemar | david8hu, maybe one day: http://www.bahamaslocal.com/showlisting/5965/IBM_Bahamas_Limited.html | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | it's right near fenway. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | yep | 18:22 |
| david8hu | stevemar, thinking about taking the disney cruise there ;) | 18:22 |
| stevemar | boston is a good call for the summer midcycle | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | anyone have the proposed release schedule yet? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | erm. thread link | 18:22 |
| * morganfainberg can't find it. | 18:22 | |
| stevemar | not so much for the january one | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | OK...I'll follow up. | 18:23 |
| stevemar | didn't even know it was a thread yet | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | aha | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | iberty-1: June 25th | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | liberty-2: July 30th | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | liberty-3: September 3rd | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | final release: October 15th | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | ok so, ayoung, assume that is our schedule [tenative] | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | no one has complained yet about it | 18:23 |
| ayoung | If it is the week of 7/20 unfortunatley those are all way games for the Red Sox | 18:23 |
| ayoung | prev/next are home games | 18:23 |
| gyee | you guys stole the Panda! | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, historically we'd do July 10th week | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, 2 wks till milestone-2 | 18:24 |
| david8hu | Poor SF Giant Panda | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | 2wks after midcycle. | 18:24 |
| dstanek | i just don't want it to be aug 1-3 (PyOhio and all) | 18:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so look into July 8-10? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | erm | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | sorry | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | 13-17 | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | somewhere in there | 18:25 |
| ayoung | its the 4th of July weekedn...people might be taking vacation | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | yeah lets not do jul4-timeframe | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | the week of 13-17 | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | if we're aiming for pre-m2 | 18:25 |
| ayoung | so either 13-15 or 15-17? | 18:25 |
| marekd | the sooner the better i think. | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | or we could push to post m2 | 18:25 |
| dstanek | are we thinking the same deal Mon-Wed of a given week? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | and use it as a hack-fest to test features and hack-a-way at bugs. | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | Sunday is the Yankees Game...ticks are already sold out | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | and non-API impacting "new things" | 18:26 |
| gyee | post m2 sounds good as we'll be discussing spec for the M release anyway | 18:26 |
| gyee | specs | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | if we go beyond m2, we need to commit to being able to land features w/o the midcycle | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | i think we can do it | 18:26 |
| stevemar | a few weeks before m2 cuts is ideal in my mind | 18:27 |
| stevemar | like a week or two | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so lets aim for wk of july 17, alternate wk of jul 30 [milestone 2 cut week] | 18:27 |
| ayoung | Got it | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | wk of 17th is preferable, but if we can't make it work, due to Jul 4, etc, we need to go later | 18:28 |
| dstanek | it the week of July 30 try to make it early in the week | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, ++ | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dstanek, 27-29 Jul? | 18:28 |
| dstanek | i may be speaking at PyOhio so I'll have to be there on the 31st | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I turn 44 on the 18th | 18:28 |
| ayoung | But that is a Saturday, so I'm safe | 18:29 |
| bknudson | cake! | 18:29 |
| ayoung | Cake | 18:29 |
| dstanek | 27-29 would probably be fine is the prior week doesn't work out | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | #action ayoung to look into midcycle at BU: week of july 17th (preferable) or week of july 30th (alternate) | 18:29 |
| stevemar | this is like the meeting times all over again :P | 18:29 |
| david8hu | Free meal at Denny's | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | ok i think we're good | 18:29 |
| stevemar | ++ | 18:29 |
| dstanek | when do you think we'll know for sure? i have until May 15 to submit a proposal; so i could just wait | 18:29 |
| ayoung | My brother is a Bartender. I'll put him on restaurant recommendation duty | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, before may if we're doing this. | 18:30 |
| dstanek | coolio | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | i want this to be confirmed before the summit | 18:30 |
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| stevemar | i think we're all good for now | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | next. | 18:30 |
| stevemar | #topic "Official Publications for Identity" | 18:30 |
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| morganfainberg | So infra does something awesome. | 18:30 |
| marekd | yeah, what's that actually? | 18:31 |
| bknudson | they do everything awesome. | 18:31 |
| stevemar | thats not news | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/publications/ | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | infra is awesome at being infra, duh! | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | well i mean it is infra! (cc jeblair, clarkb, mordred) They are awesome! | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | so anyway | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | i like that they have clear official publications | 18:31 |
| stevemar | looks like a bunch of ppts | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | so is all of infra ^ (not meaning to exclude people from that list). | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, they are not ppts | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | they are html | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | so. we should consider making official publications part of keystone | 18:32 |
| bknudson | is the source in git? | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, in a git tree | 18:32 |
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| gyee | isn't ayoung's younglogic the official publication for identity? :) | 18:33 |
| ayoung | gyee, yes | 18:33 |
| dstanek | that would be a great idea | 18:33 |
| bknudson | I wish we'd spend more time on the admin guide. | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, all docs need love | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: so what kind of stuff can we put in there? | 18:33 |
| clarkb | my only feedback was to be careful to avoid putting things there that should arguably go in keystone's documentation | 18:33 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: would it include some whitepaper-like or publications like ayoung blog or the one we have at cern? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | gyee, mine is a programmers notebook...with all that implies | 18:33 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/ch-identity-mgmt-config.html is really pathetic. | 18:33 |
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| gyee | lets publish them | 18:33 |
| ayoung | I'd think it should be cleaned up post blog...my blog is a decent format, but the info is from "I did it once and it worked" type stuff | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | or "here is what I think we should do" | 18:34 |
| stevemar | marekd, it looks most like... how-tos | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, the point is if you give a talk especially if it's relevant to how keystone is deployed/interesting beyond the basic docs | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | it should go there | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so, we could take all of our blog posts as input, but then polish them...for example | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is the idea, take the focus off "well this one time i did thing x" | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | another good example would be rodrigods' blog on k2k | 18:34 |
| ayoung | http://dolphm.com/the-anatomy-of-openstack-keystone-token-formats/ | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | or presentations at conferences | 18:34 |
| gyee | I really like ayoung's use-case specific blogs, like if you want to do this, here are the steps | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | mull on this. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | Or pretty much anything on dolph's blog, to include the food. | 18:35 |
| bknudson | I'd rather read a blog than a ppt. | 18:35 |
| marekd | stevemar: #link http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.ch/ -it is more like 'sharing our experience', something you don't necesarilly find on official docs | 18:35 |
| bknudson | unless the ppt has some really nice slide transitions. | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the idea is they'd be published at HTML, either slide-style or blog-style | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | they are publications | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | it should work in a browser | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | but they would be *our* official publications | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | another good example would be using session auth w/ middleware | 18:35 |
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| marekd | jamielennox also publishes some nice posts | 18:36 |
| ayoung | marekd, we really all should | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | or more in-depth session examples that don't belong in the sphix generated docs. | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:36 |
| ayoung | I've seen goosd things out of most of the team members | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | mull it over. | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | think on how it should look | 18:36 |
| ayoung | goosd->gooses->geese? | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | marekd: ++ there are a couple nice client-side posts from jamielennox that would be good examples of a publication | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | i'd like to make this a reality in liberty | 18:36 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, so this is going to be a repo | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | we can publish it to an official openstack.org location (keystone docs, or work to do like infra does), however it's approached. | 18:37 |
| stevemar | i think we need to figure out what to do about the admin guide | 18:37 |
| gyee | just like the specs repo? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, it would be and reviewed | 18:37 |
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| gyee | nice | 18:37 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: ok, so is there any plan for that? Somebody voluteers to gather publications-proposals and later filter the inappripriate ones? | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | btw, I have written one on 'domain specific backends on sql' | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | http://www.samueldmq.com/domain-specific-configuration-on-sql/ | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | :) | 18:37 |
| ayoung | Hey, one last thing on the Midcycle, is the preferred range July 15-17 (Wed-Friday) | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, you'd propose the publication to the repo where it lives. | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, yes. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | Cool | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that works. | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, it would be reviewed. require 2x+2 / +A | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, just like a spec or code review | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | marekd, then it becomes an official publication | 18:38 |
| david8hu | ayoung, I hope we all invited to your bday party :) | 18:38 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: makes sense! | 18:38 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: repo link ? | 18:38 |
| david8hu | on the 18th | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, no repo exists yet | 18:38 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: ok. | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: so what about maintaining them? | 18:38 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, how is infra doing it? | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, we can either do what infra does: per-branch publication in a seperate repo | 18:38 |
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| morganfainberg | or we can place them in our tree under sometihng /docs like but handled specifically for publications | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | morganfainberg: I imagine they will get out of date, so are we going to maintain them like standard keystone docs too? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, it is on us to maintain them but look at the infra link | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | they have previous versions | 18:39 |
| leonchio_ | :101 | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | we can cycle things to older versions if they are tagged. | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | to a specific release etc | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | anyway just wanted to seed the idea | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | please think about it | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | lets move on. | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | lots to do | 18:40 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: imho, it's a good idea. | 18:40 |
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| dstanek | i have to bail to pick up my kid; i'll be watching on mobile though | 18:40 |
| marekd | there are some 'epic' publications here, floating around and used many times (like rodrigods blogspost about k2k) | 18:40 |
| raildo | ++ | 18:41 |
| gyee | that one's awesome | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, next topic plz. | 18:41 |
| marekd | or jamielennox post about sessions. | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #topic keystoneclient / keystonemiddleware stable releases | 18:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystoneclient / keystonemiddleware stable releases (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:41 | |
| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1411063,n,z | 18:41 |
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| bknudson | not much to it... we've got some security fixes in stable releases of clients / middleware | 18:41 |
| bknudson | so was wondering about a release. | 18:42 |
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| gyee | didn't we just released 1.6.0 | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we're waiting for a fix from dhellmann | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so we don't break the world | 18:42 |
| bknudson | this would be stable releases (e.g., 1.5.1 | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, when we release | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: fix for what | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, uncapped libs. | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, or capped.. or something related to stable branches | 18:42 |
| bknudson | that's in master, not stable. | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, was talking to ttx about it today | 18:43 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, I just saw an email about middleware 1.6.0 release | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | ok, that saga is ongoing | 18:43 |
| gyee | that's the latest right? | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we are waiting until dhellmann for stable releases later this week. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | we've got stable branches for clients and keystonemiddleware now | 18:43 |
| bknudson | so we can release a fix for 1.5.0 | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, this was specifically for the stable branches. | 18:43 |
| gyee | oh, nevermind, we're talking about stable | 18:43 |
| stevemar | gyee, yep | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, but we will be doing stable releases this week. | 18:44 |
| stevemar | dhellmann is currently spamming everyone :) | 18:44 |
| bknudson | keystonemiddleware stable/juno is *almost* working. | 18:44 |
| bknudson | I think the rest are working. | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, thanks for chasing down all the ick on fixing those | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, really appreciate it | 18:44 |
| bknudson | having these stable branches should help out my team. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | ok lets move to the next topic. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | We should be producing Stable Branch RDO based RPMS for people than need to test them | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | as a note: we will review no-spec BPs in -keystone after this meeting | 18:45 |
| stevemar | #topic Any needs to enfore unique constraint | 18:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any needs to enfore unique constraint (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:46 | |
| stevemar | davechen, dstanek ^ | 18:46 |
| davechen | I saw some comment from David about this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1439928) | 18:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439928 in Keystone "can create the same type and name of a service with v3 API" [Medium,Won't fix] - Assigned to huanghao (huang1hao) | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | can | 18:46 |
| davechen | and dolphm, so that may not b valid bug. | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | davechen, we can't make service.name unique | 18:46 |
| ayoung | can't break it | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | it would break lots of deployments | 18:46 |
| ayoung | we don't know how people are using it | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | we *could* make service.name + service.type unique | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | but it still leaves doors open to break people | 18:47 |
| davechen | yes, I want to know what you think about this bug | 18:47 |
| davechen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1403408 | 18:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1403408 in Keystone "Redundant endpoints found in the table "endpoint"" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dave Chen (wei-d-chen) | 18:47 |
| bknudson | I think this would be against the API stability guideline: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 18:47 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, i would think that still breaks people | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, less likely, but possible. | 18:47 |
| davechen | looks like they are similar | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | this is a case of: sucks but we're stuck with it. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | config option, maybe? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | so we could change it but that would require opt-in. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, with a config option and enforced at the manager and/or driver layer? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | sounds icky to me. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | yep | 18:48 |
| ayoung | ickissimo | 18:48 |
| stevemar | ++ on the ickyness | 18:48 |
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| bknudson | wouldn't be thread-safe. | 18:48 |
| bknudson | multiprocess-safe | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | your config option would need to detect if it was an upgrade or a new install | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, at the driver layer we could do it. | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, with optimistic locking style... but still ick | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | we just need to document this limitation i think | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | and say "sorry wont fix" across the board | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | with microversions and/or V4 API we can fix. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | is it really a problem? | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | but not until then. | 18:49 |
| stevemar | ayoung, not really | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, the non-unique name+type is a ux complaint | 18:49 |
| ayoung | k | 18:49 |
| bknudson | I keep doing this and it hurts. | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | yea, it creates weird catalogs too | 18:49 |
| gyee | in the real word, adding a new service is a workflow | 18:50 |
| stevemar | we can definitely fix it for v4 or microversions | 18:50 |
| davechen | document it is good idea. Shall we also document it about the "endponts"? | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | davechen, yeah lets add clear warnings/documentation | 18:50 |
| davechen | looks like endpoint_group also miss unique contraint. | 18:50 |
| stevemar | ten minutes left, next topic | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | davechen, endpoint_group is a slightly different deal | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | anyway next topic. | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, back to liberty priorities | 18:51 |
| stevemar | k | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | if any are meant to be discussed | 18:51 |
| stevemar | #topic Liberty Priorities part duex | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty Priorities part duex (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:51 | |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-priority-specs | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | #info please review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Keystone-liberty-summit-brainstorm and +/- with name for support of discussion at the summit (fishbowl sessions) | 18:51 |
| gyee | I need to catch ayoung about a generic way to do tokenless | 18:52 |
| gyee | maybe after lunch | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, sure | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think it is really close | 18:52 |
| stevemar | anyone have any strong feelings towards the proposed specs? | 18:52 |
| gyee | ayoung, I do want to think about other mechanisms like kerberos | 18:52 |
| gyee | kerberos is on a lot of folks mind | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | please propose specs to the backlog for things you'd like to see in liberty. | 18:52 |
| stevemar | i don't think domain config improvements counts as a spec? | 18:53 |
| marekd | gyee: some bits in the mapping engine were missing to make it happen, remember which ones? | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, it's a spec, API impacting, but not one of the 5 features | 18:53 |
| tchaypo | : | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, it's a need to make domain-sql "stable" | 18:53 |
| gyee | marekd, I think we're all good | 18:53 |
| bknudson | what are the expectations for approving for backlog? is it the same for approving for L? | 18:53 |
| gyee | the mapping has all we needed | 18:53 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, ah okay | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, approved to backlog is "good idea and we want it" | 18:53 |
| bknudson | or do we not need all the details for a backlog spec? | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, approved to L is "full spec, all details hashed out" | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, backlog means anyone can pick it up and run with it | 18:54 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, we should sub-divide that list to 'new features' vs 'minor features' ... maybe | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we know we like the idea. | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, sounds good, most "minor" things are tagged in the etherpad with (minor) | 18:54 |
| stevemar | so they are... | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but it might need more fleshing out before we approve for a specific release. | 18:54 |
| stevemar | dual scoped tokens? | 18:54 |
| stevemar | whats that about? | 18:54 |
| gyee | whahhh?! | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, example is the one i just proposed, it has a TBD for the API spec. | 18:54 |
| bknudson | ok, I'll use those criteria. | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, domain+project = same thing | 18:55 |
| gyee | stevemar, dual scope? | 18:55 |
| stevemar | hmph, okay... | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | can we not call that dual-scoped | 18:55 |
| stevemar | yeah | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, my goal with the backlog is to flush out bad ideas, and have a store of good ideas for when people say "hey i want to contribute what can i work on" | 18:55 |
| stevemar | sounds like it was going to be scoped to two projects or some nonsense | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah dual-scope is bad name | 18:56 |
| bknudson | Can I scope one token to 2 keystones? | 18:56 |
| stevemar | bknudson, you're welcome to try | 18:56 |
| gyee | bknudson, yes, its called federation | 18:56 |
| stevemar | reseller, tokenless auth, dynamic policy, already at 3/5 major new features | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, with fernet, possible | 18:57 |
| marekd | what's about tokenless auth? | 18:57 |
| marekd | sounds kickass'y | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but the assignment data would need to be synchronised | 18:57 |
| gyee | marekd, kickassess'y | 18:57 |
| ayoung | marekd, its for servcie users, so they don't need to go, get a token, and then perform the operation. Its dumb to get a token to validate a token. | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, also for getting a token i would support | 18:58 |
| gyee | ayoung, we can do that for horizon too, in theory | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, generally supporting client-certs or alternatives for any keystone action. | 18:58 |
| ayoung | Horizon shouldn't need it. But no reason to limit who can use it | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but i don't want to make middleware have to figure all that out for a user. | 18:58 |
| stevemar | marekd, it was bumped from L the spec is avail in backlog | 18:58 |
| stevemar | MFA / trusted devices would be cool | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | any last remarks? | 18:59 |
| bknudson | trusted devices for what? | 18:59 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, things to provide you pin numbers for MFA | 18:59 |
| bknudson | should be using barbican. | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, "trusted browser" don't ask me for MFA token again for 30mins | 18:59 |
| stevemar | i assume | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, time | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 19:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-21-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| stevemar | thanks y'all! | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | reviewing no-spec BPs in -keystone now. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-21-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-21-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
| stevemar | infra team, it's all yours | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| fungi | thanks stevemar! | 19:00 |
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| bknudson | infra team is going to do something awesome again. | 19:00 |
| stevemar | bknudson, obvs | 19:00 |
| fungi | jeblair: are you chairing, lurking or missing?| | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | fungi: why don't you chair? | 19:01 |
| fungi | on it | 19:01 |
| jeblair | i can particpate though | 19:01 |
| fungi | great | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 19:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| pcrews | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:02 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair send announcement for april 17 2200 utc 2-hour outage for renames and utf8 conversion | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061489.html | 19:03 |
| fungi | that's done and done | 19:03 |
| fungi | jeblair send announcement for may 9 1600 utc 4-hour outage for 2.10 upgrade | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061490.html | 19:03 |
| fungi | also announced | 19:03 |
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| fungi | that's it for previous action items | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:03 |
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| fungi | we skipped these last time, but we also have a few new topics after so let's keep these brief if we can | 19:04 |
| jeblair | i think there were a few questions but no substantial issues raised as a result of the upgrade announcment | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | do we have any next steps on this that need attention/highlighting? | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | yes, the stack from jhesketh on os-loganalyze to allow configurable file passthrough from swift is up for review | 19:05 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:05 |
| clarkb | should have topic set to enable_swift too | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | I am happy to babysit those if people want to +2 iwthout approving | 19:05 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 19:05 |
| clarkb | but do ping me if you do that so I know they are ready for me | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:enable_swift,n,z | 19:05 |
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| fungi | anything else there? | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I approved the bindep fallback update yesterday | 19:06 |
| clarkb | so hopefully today's images have the latest fallback | 19:07 |
| clarkb | once thats in we can start moving forward on using bindep right? the changes you wanted in bindep itself have merged? | 19:07 |
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| fungi | ahh, yep saw that. i'm doing some final testing with that now before i put the jobs and venv for it in | 19:07 |
| greghaynes | the dib patches are starting to merge for nodepool dib to consolodate our images | 19:07 |
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| fungi | i've seen more stacks of shade changes flying by. are those all nodepool/dib-related? | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | fungi: no I think the majority of them are not dib related | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | fungi: they add features like volume support and stuff which is useful for shade but not specific to nodepool's need for dib images | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | well we need shafe to do rax, so kind of related? | 19:08 |
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| greghaynes | shade | 19:08 |
| fungi | also the change to add a "centos-6" worker to nodepool merged, and we added a 0.5tb cinder volume to the nodepool server to accomodate a larger dib cache and image set | 19:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: thank you for doing that | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: errrm.. many of them are test coverage | 19:08 |
| fungi | well, it needed doing | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: are we okay on cinder quota? | 19:08 |
| fungi | jeblair: probably? i honestly didn't check our quota but i didn't get an error | 19:09 |
| jeblair | k | 19:09 |
| fungi | i should have a peek at it later | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: test coverage that will necessarily precede the migration to no-more-clientlib objects. | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #action fungi check our cinder quota in rax-dfw | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I seem to recall there was a volume cleanup around when afs went in | 19:09 |
| fungi | anything else on the nodepool/dib front? | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Migration to Zanata) | 19:10 |
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| fungi | pleia2: cinerama: what's the good news? | 19:10 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:10 |
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| pleia2 | I was able to log in as an admin and make a project, so yay openstackid working + my admin username | 19:11 |
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| cinerama | hi there. so we have a working translate-dev server and the next step is to get the client-side jenkins stuff ported over | 19:11 |
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| cinerama | i think that is about it | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | I need to spend some time going through the spec and reprioritizing some of our tasks | 19:12 |
| clarkb | you can make projects without admin rights too | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | s/and/and spend some time | 19:12 |
| clarkb | which may or may not be a problem | 19:12 |
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| cinerama | yep. we need to work that out | 19:12 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think at some point we need to sync up on how we want project creation to work there | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | I also have an admin section, but that is a something we should look at | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | probably should just follow up in channel on that for starters | 19:13 |
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| pleia2 | it's a bit tedious doing it via transifex (we need to work directly with their help staff), but I don't think we want everyone to be able to create things | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah, out of meeting is fine for this discussion | 19:13 |
| fungi | sounds like great progress! | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | things are moving along though, huge thanks for cinerama for picking this up while I've been traveling (but I'm home now for a while!) | 19:14 |
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| * anteaya applauds cinerama | 19:14 | |
| cinerama | anteaya: thanks *blush* | 19:14 |
| fungi | yes, thank you! | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | that's all for now :) | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet) | 19:15 |
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| anteaya | asselin_ has been recruiting help | 19:15 |
| fungi | i think all of the metadata changes asselin_ put in yesterday have merged now | 19:15 |
| anteaya | I don't know if he is here right now | 19:15 |
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| asselin_ | hi | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yep, last I checked they were at least all approved, aiming for merging | 19:16 |
| fungi | and yes, there was a call for participants on the ml | 19:16 |
| fungi | the thread seems to be picking up steam | 19:16 |
| jeblair | i'm meeting with gozer folks from hp that are interested in particpating too | 19:16 |
| asselin_ | yes, recruiting, and a few people are interested. I got some private e-mails too | 19:16 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061929.html | 19:16 |
| asselin_ | fbo submitted a patch to refactor zuul....nice to see ;) | 19:16 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175970/ | 19:17 |
| anteaya | if we could get some core reviews on that to ensure asselin_ and I have been giving fbo the correct direction that would be great | 19:17 |
| fungi | pleia2 seems to have just approved the last awaiting metadata change as we discussed this | 19:17 |
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| fungi | so we should be very close to being able to start uploading modules to the forge now? | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | fungi: hah, yeah, I was waiting for jenkins | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I have a request into ttx to get asselin_ a table at summit to work on it there | 19:18 |
| anteaya | looking like Tuesday afternoon | 19:18 |
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| asselin_ | It would be good to get the log server one merged (on the openstackci side) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167425/ | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: what does a teable at summit mean? | 19:19 |
| anteaya | jeblair: a room with a table for work to happen | 19:19 |
| asselin_ | (just rebased on metadata change) | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anteaya: are those not allocated to projects? | 19:19 |
| anteaya | ttx has a few available | 19:19 |
| anteaya | but at poor times, tuesday end of day for example | 19:19 |
| fungi | oh, a session slot in a workroom vs a fishbowl | 19:20 |
| anteaya | workroom | 19:20 |
| anteaya | more work less talk | 19:20 |
| jeblair | yeah, i just thought infra had some of those | 19:20 |
| anteaya | jeblair: we do, I'm not sure what you have planned though | 19:20 |
| anteaya | so I didn't offer one of ours | 19:20 |
| fungi | which should probably have been a separate meeting topic--we need to put together a list of what we want to use our allotted rooms/times to discuss or work on | 19:21 |
| fungi | more of a psa i guess | 19:21 |
| anteaya | sorry to derail | 19:21 |
| jeblair | right, well, i think it would be rather near the top of the list | 19:21 |
| fungi | probably shouldn't spend the meeting putting it together | 19:21 |
| jeblair | of things infra would want to work on | 19:21 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, +1 | 19:22 |
| fungi | i can start an infra ml thread or an etherpad or something to start collecting ideas for our summit sessions, if that will help | 19:22 |
| anteaya | jeblair: whatever you want to have happen is fine with me, just didn't know what that was | 19:22 |
| anteaya | and wanted asselin_ a chance to get some new help on it | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'll take care of it | 19:23 |
| fungi | okay, great! | 19:23 |
| krtaylor | I have offered the cross-project third party session for this discussion, but if we want to do it in an infra session even better | 19:23 |
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| fungi | anything else downstream puppet wise we need to cover today? | 19:24 |
| asselin_ | not from me | 19:24 |
| jeblair | krtaylor: thanks -- it feels less like a cross-project thing to me. i'll see what we have available though and chat with you and asselin_ about it | 19:24 |
| krtaylor | jeblair, I agree and that works for me | 19:25 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Askbot migration) | 19:25 |
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| fungi | mrmartin has been working on the staging/dev server deployment solution, we talked through it some earlier today | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | thanks to jeblair for catching the backups issue, I just confirmed now that it's working | 19:26 |
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| mrmartin | I'm here | 19:26 |
| clarkb | we still have that problem with the caching of the solr stuff in /opt but mrmartin wrote an upstream puppet patch to address that | 19:26 |
| clarkb | so hopefully that gets in then we can fix that remaining issue | 19:26 |
| fungi | oh, and we had redis running out of memory | 19:26 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: again? | 19:27 |
| fungi | that's solved thanks to mrmartin spotting something we needed to add to the config | 19:27 |
| fungi | mrmartin: no, it's been fine since that last config update | 19:27 |
| mrmartin | oh ok. | 19:27 |
| mrmartin | I need an approval on theme pinning patch, because Evgeny cannot publish changes | 19:27 |
| fungi | #link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=2544&rra_id=all | 19:27 |
| mrmartin | without braking production ask.o.o | 19:28 |
| clarkb | mrmartin: have a link for that? | 19:28 |
| mrmartin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171066/ | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/171066 | 19:28 |
| fungi | jhesketh: ^ there are replies to you in that review | 19:29 |
| mrmartin | anyway, nibalizer have an approval right on vamsee/puppet-solr repository, so the good news that he can help us to accept the required upstream pull request | 19:29 |
| mrmartin | so we can close the /tmp solr warning issue | 19:30 |
| fungi | are things still complicated or in need of coordinating at this point that it needs to remain a priority effort meeting topic? we can leave it on the agenda for one more week if anyone wants and revisit | 19:30 |
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| fungi | otherwise i'll clear it off after the meeting wraps up today | 19:30 |
| mrmartin | everything is ok, I guess we can go on with the staging | 19:31 |
| mrmartin | but it'll take a time | 19:31 |
| mrmartin | I'll write a spec for that | 19:31 |
| mrmartin | if required | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | mrmartin: is it substantially different than prod? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I don't think we need a spec for that | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | question on ask.o.o graph 5min avg: How can Current be 2.03g and maximum 1.90G? | 19:31 |
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| fungi | okay, if you think it's complex enough to warrant a spec feel free, but i wouldn't worry about it unless it's going to need a lot of help (beyond just spinning up a server and testing) | 19:31 |
| mrmartin | jeblair, yes because, we need to rewrite the update mechanism | 19:32 |
| Rockyg | that used mem | 19:32 |
| clarkb | it should be pretty similar to what we have done for prod but deploy latest all the things | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | mrmartin: if it's what clarkb says, i think we can probably just cover that in review | 19:32 |
| mrmartin | the environment is the same, the deployment model is a bit different, because we need to deploy the askbot-devel from a remote upstream github repo | 19:32 |
| mrmartin | we had a discussion about this today morning | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mrmartin: right but isn't that as simple as changing version => x.y.z to version => latest | 19:33 |
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| mrmartin | yes | 19:33 |
| clarkb | mrmartin: we should be able to do that in a straightforward manner | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | mrmartin: yeah, skip the spec then and just start with a change to add the server | 19:33 |
| fungi | Rockyg: good eye... i'm going to guess we've got something setting maximum to the average value there for some reason | 19:33 |
| mrmartin | I hope the patch will land this week, but it requires some careful review | 19:33 |
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| mrmartin | ok. | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | so that's all related to askbot | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | basically the prod is working well | 19:34 |
| fungi | thanks mrmartin! | 19:34 |
| clarkb | mrmartin: awesome great work there | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | thnx | 19:35 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Upgrading Gerrit Saturday May 9, 2015) | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Upgrading Gerrit Saturday May 9, 2015) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:35 | |
| fungi | any new developments we need to be mindful of here? | 19:35 |
| zaro | nothing much to say here. | 19:35 |
| clarkb | I have a question related to this | 19:35 |
| anteaya | I'll just note the agenda says 2.9 and I think we agreed last week to 2.10 | 19:35 |
| clarkb | jeblair: do we want to put your connection debugging change atop 2.10.3 just in case we end up needing it? | 19:35 |
| fungi | anteaya: right, i simply dropped the version number in the meeting topic for that reason | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i don't think it would hurt, but i do not know the status of the bouncy castle war problem | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | fungi: okay | 19:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: (however, i don't think that's related to my change, so i'm not sure that matters) | 19:36 |
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| zaro | fungi syas he was going to try to manually reploy? | 19:36 |
| zaro | at slow time | 19:36 |
| fungi | zaro was looking at it yesterday but couldn't reproduce with a similar config and that warfile | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: it _does_ suggest that we should make very sure we have a working 2.10 deployed on -dev and that's what we use for the upgrade :) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ | 19:37 |
| fungi | so, yeah, i need to try again and see if i can collect some additional state details | 19:37 |
| jeblair | cause right now the status of that seems like "voodoo build bug" | 19:37 |
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| fungi | it may be a problem with the earfile library unpacking done by the gerrit manifet | 19:37 |
| fungi | er, puppet manifest | 19:38 |
| zaro | i thought about trying to repro on review-dev but didn't want to go thru trouble of reverting to 2.8 to validate | 19:38 |
| zaro | unless yous guys think it's worth it | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | zaro: could probably repro on a throwaway personal server, right? | 19:38 |
| zaro | jeblair: requires contact store to be enabled to hit that lib. | 19:39 |
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| fungi | zaro: but you said you tested again with that turned on, right? | 19:39 |
| zaro | jeblair: i tried that on my VM but gerrit got stuck on startup. didn't even make it to the point where it would fail | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | hrm. we should probably offline this and move on :/ | 19:40 |
| fungi | ahh, yep. veering well off-topic | 19:40 |
| fungi | but we'll continue later in the infra channel | 19:40 |
| zaro | ok | 19:40 |
| fungi | doing the next topics slightly out of order because this one's sort of time-sensitive... | 19:41 |
| fungi | #topic Outreachy: we have a prospective intern candidate but need a volunteer mentor (vkmc) | 19:41 |
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| pleia2 | someone who wants to work on infra? | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 19:41 |
| jeblair | neat! | 19:41 |
| fungi | yes, there's someone who wants to do infra work! | 19:41 |
| fungi | vkmc was going to try to make the meeting i thought, but perhaps she was not able | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | sweet | 19:42 |
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| fungi | i have some info from reed that confirms we do though | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I would be happ to help but ETWINS | 19:42 |
| mordred | clarkb: that'll teach you | 19:42 |
| anteaya | she isn't in this channel I just pinged her in #openstack-opw | 19:42 |
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| pleia2 | I can help this time around, but I can't be a primary mentor | 19:42 |
| vkmc | hi o/ | 19:42 |
| fungi | and that vkmc contacted the people listed on the mentors sign-up sheet (including jhesketh and nibalizer) but that they were not able to assist after all so we need some other volunteers | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | welcome vkmc | 19:42 |
| anteaya | there she is | 19:42 |
| vkmc | thanks :) | 19:43 |
| vkmc | thanks for bringing this topic up in the weekly meeting, I appreciate this | 19:43 |
| fungi | vkmc: oops! sorry, started without you | 19:43 |
| anteaya | vkmc: so far we are looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 19:43 |
| vkmc | fungi, no worries! | 19:43 |
| vkmc | anteaya, cool | 19:43 |
| fungi | the candidate is in american pacific standard timezone, right? so volunteers in that tz would probably be the best fit | 19:44 |
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| vkmc | well, my main concern here is that whereas I got really good comments from this applicant, I'd really like that the willing to be mentor know them as well | 19:44 |
| vkmc | and make a project plan for the internship | 19:44 |
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| vkmc | the selected applicants announcement is this Friday | 19:45 |
| fungi | righth, we'd need to pick a couple of moderate-complexity tasks which don't require a lot of ramp-up learning curve | 19:45 |
| vkmc | agree | 19:45 |
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| fungi | and what's the start and stop date for interns and rough number of hours per week? | 19:45 |
| vkmc | interested mentors please contact me and I'll give further details about the applicant background and the program | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | as a team, could we brainstorm some projects? I don't mind being a go-to for helping, but I'm winding down another mentorship projects (no outreachy) where I had to do way too much ground work | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | s/no/not | 19:46 |
| vkmc | sure, the internships starts on May 25 and ends on August 25 | 19:46 |
| anteaya | 40 hours a week when I did it, the candidate is not required to have any kind of programing ops experience (unless that has changed) | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | ^^ that's what I fear | 19:47 |
| vkmc | and yeah, as anteaya mentioned, 40 hours per week | 19:47 |
| fungi | in this case it seems like the candidate probably has a fair amount of programming experience though | 19:47 |
| vkmc | for the intern | 19:47 |
| anteaya | I'm all for bringing in new people, but I personally don't have time to be the primary mentor though I can offer support as a tertery mentor | 19:47 |
| jeblair | pleia2: i like your suggestion about brainstorming topics | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | clarkb, anteaya - care to mentor as a trio? (and vkmc is that ok?) | 19:48 |
| vkmc | it is yes :) | 19:48 |
| anteaya | oh I wouldn't go that far | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | ok | 19:49 |
| clarkb | so why don't we brainstorm topics in -infra post meeting then we can go from there? | 19:49 |
| anteaya | sorry but I still am trying to find the work burnout balance | 19:49 |
| anteaya | and things don't go well for me if I can't find it | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: wfm | 19:49 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:49 |
| anteaya | trying to be supportive here | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: totally understand | 19:49 |
| fungi | thanks vkmc we'll try to get up with you in a couple days | 19:49 |
| fungi | if that works | 19:49 |
| anteaya | vkmc: thanks for joining the meeting | 19:49 |
| vkmc | sure, it sounds good to me | 19:50 |
| vkmc | feel free to reach me in any time | 19:50 |
| fungi | #topic Spec proposal - Integration tests for System-config Openstack_project using containers (fbo) | 19:50 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/172833 | 19:50 |
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| fungi | discussion of this can probably happen in that review | 19:50 |
| fungi | for the sake of time | 19:50 |
| fungi | #topic Neutron-lib proposal (dougwig, mestery) | 19:50 |
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| dougwig | hi there | 19:51 |
| mestery | howdy | 19:51 |
| dougwig | it was mentioned that we should bring up an upcoming split of some library stuff out of neutron here. proposal: | 19:51 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171836/ | 19:51 |
| dougwig | it's not final or certain yet, and I also wanted to point out that it's not a "split" with history. there is so much refactor involved, it'll almost certainly be just a repo create and move forward with regular gerrit reviews. | 19:51 |
| dougwig | actual repo creation WIP is here: | 19:51 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174952/ | 19:51 |
| dougwig | bringing it up here to see if there are any concerns or things that we need to do to make life easier all around. | 19:51 |
| fungi | do either of you have a quick summary? | 19:51 |
| mestery | dougwig does I think :) | 19:51 |
| jeblair | i consider clarkb and nibalizer key particpants in the testing spec review | 19:51 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/174952 | 19:51 |
| fungi | jeblair: i would agree | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ya I can review it today | 19:51 |
| anteaya | mostly I thought this should have infra eyes to ensure the steps to split are ones we support | 19:51 |
| mordred | mestery, dougwig: this is making a lib out of the guts of neutron I'm guessing? | 19:52 |
| anteaya | trying to avoid the scenario last time with the *-aas splits | 19:52 |
| dougwig | did i run afoul of the rate limiter? | 19:52 |
| mestery | mordred: ++ | 19:52 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/171836 | 19:52 |
| dougwig | it was mentioned that we should bring up an upcoming split of some library stuff out of neutron here. proposal: | 19:52 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171836/ | 19:52 |
| jeblair | dougwig: no we're just digesting :) | 19:52 |
| mestery | Yes, what dougwig said | 19:52 |
| dougwig | oh, ok. :) | 19:52 |
| mordred | dougwig, mestery: seems fine to me | 19:52 |
| mestery | mordred: Cool, we just wanted to bring this up so infra was aware. | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | I'm confused ut I Think I opened the wrong change | 19:53 |
| clarkb | fungi: you want to undo that and link the other change | 19:53 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:53 |
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| fungi | dougwig: have a link to the right change for your proposal? | 19:53 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171836/ | 19:53 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174952/ | 19:53 |
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| dougwig | spec and wip for project-config | 19:54 |
| mestery | nice work dougwig :) | 19:54 |
| anteaya | dougwig: you aren't linking to the spec | 19:54 |
| fungi | 171836 is "Non-json body on POST 500's" | 19:54 |
| fungi | is that the right one? | 19:54 |
| clarkb | if it is then I am really confused | 19:54 |
| anteaya | no it isn't | 19:54 |
| dougwig | sigh, sorry. did i mentioned that i ran out of red bull yesterday? | 19:54 |
| dougwig | let's try: | 19:54 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154736/ | 19:54 |
| mestery | lol | 19:54 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/154736 | 19:55 |
| fungi | thanks, that makes more sense ;_ | 19:55 |
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| fungi | cool, so probably not something we have time to get too deep into discussing in the meeting, but those reviews look like a good place to go deeper | 19:55 |
| mestery | fungi: Yes, comments very welcome there! Thanks! | 19:55 |
| fungi | thanks for bringing it to our attention! | 19:55 |
| dougwig | please do. thanks. | 19:55 |
| anteaya | mostly to ensure if they follow these steps we don't have to dig them out of a hole | 19:56 |
| fungi | #topic Renaming stackforge/mistral to openstack/mistral (rakhmerov) | 19:56 |
| anteaya | dougwig mestery thank you | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Renaming stackforge/mistral to openstack/mistral (rakhmerov) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:56 | |
| mestery | thanks fungi anteaya ! :) | 19:56 |
| dougwig | anteaya: it is designed to avoid the previous holes. we hope. | 19:56 |
| fungi | rakhmerov: get up with us in the infra channel on the details for how to do this | 19:56 |
| fungi | it doesn't really need meeting time devoted to it though | 19:56 |
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| fungi | #topic Tag all the things! (fungi) | 19:56 |
| jeblair | and i think we decided to schedule further renames post-summit | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | or at least post-release | 19:56 |
| anteaya | jeblair: ++ | 19:57 |
| fungi | just a reminder we wanted a nodepool tag for hashar's packaging | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | and a zuul tag for zuul cloner | 19:57 |
| fungi | i'm planning to tag bindep in the next day or so | 19:57 |
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| fungi | ahh, yes, zuul | 19:57 |
| fungi | and we're overdue to do another git-review release | 19:57 |
| fungi | anything else we should be planning to tag rsn? | 19:58 |
| anteaya | zuul was all I had | 19:58 |
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| fungi | okay, in that case... | 19:58 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:58 | |
| fungi | i give you one minute of open discussion! | 19:59 |
| ttx | yay | 19:59 |
| jeblair | fungi: nicely done! :) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | I would like to suggest turning hpcloud back off, looking at status graphs we have better long term throughput on rax alone | 19:59 |
| tchaypo | Gosh, the weather has been good lately | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | do we have an etherpad for summit brainstorming? | 19:59 |
| clarkb | basically hpcloud starts ok but seems to get worse over time | 19:59 |
| ttx | I need to finalize the connection to give you those extra VMs | 19:59 |
| fungi | clarkb: eek, yeah it looks sort of unhappy | 19:59 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, i think the cleanup process may not be far enough along? | 19:59 |
| ttx | (with OVH) | 19:59 |
| anteaya | pleia2: not yet, jeblair wants to take care of that | 19:59 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya, and we are probably just piling more onto it as we go | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks | 19:59 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, mordred was looking at going a day early for that (so meet on tuesday) | 20:00 |
| ttx | jeblair: who should serve as a contact on your side ? you ? | 20:00 |
| fungi | clarkb: and yeah, our workers line dropped with hpcloud under load, compared to without hpcloud at all | 20:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: if that fails, i can stay a day later and meet (so following monday) | 20:00 |
| ttx | jeblair: ideally we'd move before, while the topic is hot | 20:00 |
| fungi | workers/running anyway | 20:00 |
| hashar | fungi: with some new tags to follow for Zuul. There is a few patches for Zuul I am dieing to see merged in before the grand refactoring of v3 :D | 20:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: agreed -- plan A is mordred on tuesday | 20:00 |
| anteaya | do we still need the meeting open? | 20:00 |
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| fungi | hashar: thanks for the reminder. yes we normally check outstanding reviews before releasing | 20:00 |
| fungi | okay, we're over time | 20:01 |
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| fungi | thanks everybody! | 20:01 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: probably best to cc both of us | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 20:01:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-21-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | jeblair: +1 | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-21-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-21-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| fungi | sorry ttx: i owe you one minute | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | ttx: o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | fungi: he'll convert that into drinks at the summit :) | 20:01 |
| ttx | at the current EU/USD exchange rate | 20:02 |
| fungi | heh | 20:02 |
| jeblair | united states drink? | 20:02 |
| ttx | russellb, jgriffith, annegentle, mikal, mordred, devananda, vishy, markmcclain, jaypipes, dhellmann : around ? | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:02 |
| fungi | i'll have to pay him in molson | 20:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:02 |
| jeblair | fungi: good point | 20:02 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | alright quorum | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 20:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Adding MagnetoDB to OpenStack | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/171995 | 20:03 |
| ttx | As far as the project scope goes, I think it is consistent with the OpenStack Mission | 20:04 |
| ttx | My only gripe would be about the very low [MagnetoDB] activity on the -dev ML, and what that actually meant | 20:04 |
| * isviridov is here iif any questions o smth | 20:04 | |
| ttx | Is it that there is nothing to discuss ? that the project is dead ? or that the discussions happen elsewhere ? | 20:04 |
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| ttx | I hope it is the former :) | 20:05 |
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| devananda | as much as I dont understand the purpose of this yet, and would like to dig into the use cases this is trying to solve, that's not really what inclusion is about | 20:06 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:06 |
| jgriffith | ttx: not a TON of activity in github, or number of contributors | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | the diversity of affiliations for contributors looks pretty low | 20:06 |
| isviridov | ttx, we are using IRC chat mostly, and right now and development is slowed down at thing moment | 20:06 |
| ttx | because I'd rather not have a dead or secret project in the tent | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all&module=magnetodb&release=all | 20:06 |
| dougwig | ttx: http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all&module=magnetodb-group | 20:06 |
| dougwig | eh, jinx. | 20:06 |
| ttx | doug wins | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | ttx: what did we decide about trademark usage? | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | I mean, "magneto" might be an issue, but do we care about that before bringing it into the tent? | 20:07 |
| sdague | +1, I guess my only question is where this sits relative to swift, and glance as artifact repo. Which is probably a question others would have, so would be nice for the team to answer that in a README | 20:07 |
| ttx | we can fix it after the fact, I think | 20:07 |
| sdague | but I'm +1 regardless | 20:07 |
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| mordred | I'm +1 - I can see no reason to say no | 20:08 |
| mikal | sdague: artifacts in those other two are immuatable, but not in magneto (I believe) | 20:08 |
| mordred | I don't need a key-value-as-a-service myself, but someone else might | 20:08 |
| ttx | isviridov: "development slowed down -- because you solved the hard problems ? Or beacsue there is lack of interest ? | 20:08 |
| ttx | mordred: I know of some people who do | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if they're also optimizing for smaller artifacts? | 20:08 |
| mordred | ttx: neat - I'd like to help facilitate them caring | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/magnetodb/30 | 20:09 |
| russellb | o/ sorry | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | So 3 reviews in 30 days? | 20:09 |
| jeblair | should the info about scope vis-a-vis glance/swift make it into projects.yaml so that it can help with project navigation when that's all done? | 20:09 |
| mikal | mordred: depending on their approach to atomic writes, such a thing could be a useful distributed locking mechanism | 20:09 |
| mordred | mikal: sure - but I don't want one of those either | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | suppose 60 looks *better* | 20:09 |
| ttx | Right, my only fear is that it's a bit inactive, and we'll see soon enough what we need to do with dead projects | 20:09 |
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| mordred | ttx: I would like to avoid moving them to openstack/ and then moving them to openstack-attic the next week | 20:10 |
| isviridov | ttx pne of major player - Symantec - decreased the priority, but planned to continue work actively starting May | 20:10 |
| sdague | mikal: lets not try to make things into other things though, distributed locking is a hard problem, and deserves it's own solution if someone is going down that space | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | jgriffith: most of the activity seems to have slowed down near the end of february | 20:10 |
| mordred | isviridov: ah - good. that's good to hear | 20:10 |
| jgriffith | so I'm +1, because it's not our charter to really judge... but the lack of diversity and activity is kinda troubling for me | 20:10 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, noticing the curve | 20:11 |
| anteaya | https://github.com/stackforge/magnetodb/graphs/commit-activity 5 commiters in 2015 | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | Looks like Dimitry had other things to work on | 20:11 |
| ttx | sdague, mikal, it's mostly Cassandra under the hood | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | so my only hesitation is the relative lack of activity, but it sounds like that's likely to improve | 20:11 |
| ttx | but yeah, they have been around at past design summits alright, which is pretty much a definition of "one of us" | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's a good data point | 20:12 |
| sdague | I suspect that we're going to have a long tail of projects with low activity | 20:12 |
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| jgriffith | welcome to big tent | 20:12 |
| ttx | I guess we can address the question of dead or too-inactive-to-be-good projects *after* having given them a chance to shine. | 20:13 |
| ttx | so I'm +1 | 20:13 |
| mordred | ++ well said | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | sdague: sure, but I'd be happier with a steady or periodic rate than random spurts | 20:13 |
| sdague | yeh, we're going to have to handle "we think it's ddea" | 20:13 |
| sdague | dead" | 20:13 |
| sdague | some where down the road | 20:13 |
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| ttx | sdague: I think we should at least give them one or two cycles in tent before saying they won't ever evolve into something good | 20:14 |
| jeblair | i require a video of sdague as max headroom | 20:14 |
| sdague | jeblair: :) | 20:14 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, I'm fine with that | 20:14 |
| ttx | ok, it has enough votes to pass now | 20:14 |
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| sdague | realistically a lot of the various git repos under bigger efforts like infra, oslo, qa are very fit / spurt | 20:14 |
| ttx | Giving 30 more seconds to record votes for posterity | 20:14 |
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| annegentle | just joined, sorry I'm late | 20:15 |
| ttx | quick quick | 20:15 |
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| jgriffith | Just for clarity during recording: +1 | 20:15 |
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| ttx | apporved | 20:16 |
| ttx | and approved even | 20:16 |
| ttx | isviridov: welcome to openstack | 20:16 |
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| isviridov | Thank you | 20:16 |
| ttx | #topic Adding the Puppet modules to OpenStack | 20:17 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/172112 | 20:17 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: o/ | 20:17 |
| ttx | The main issue here seems to be about project naming | 20:17 |
| ttx | Otherwise it sounds like creating that project will lead to further collaboration around the same set of repos | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | So the naming story is: Puppetlabs lawyers think that using "Puppet Modules" is okay but they'll want to set up some kind of license agreement. So we are waiting until next week to see how this issue will be solved otherwise, if we can't use "Puppet", we will use "Marioneta" (we voted, see link). | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_783794d78bcd45ad | 20:17 |
| ttx | which is basically as good as it gets in my book | 20:17 |
| jeblair | i'm so strongly +1 on this. this is the example i use when i talk about why the big tent is a good thing. :) | 20:17 |
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| mordred | yup | 20:18 |
| mordred | very much +1 | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:18 |
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| ttx | I'd porefer the "community" not to sign a license agreement for name usage | 20:18 |
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| mordred | clarifying question ... | 20:18 |
| jbryce | ttx: i sign things | 20:19 |
| mordred | is the issue with the names of the repos? | 20:19 |
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| mordred | or with the human name of the project? | 20:19 |
| crinkle | the issue is with the human name | 20:19 |
| mordred | awesome | 20:19 |
| ttx | but then "marioneta" is a bit less likely to attract all puppeters ever | 20:19 |
| devananda | also very much +1 on including puppet in the big tent! | 20:19 |
| mordred | yeah. I think this is a very dangerous area, tbh | 20:19 |
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| mordred | but this is probably not the right place to discuss taht | 20:20 |
| clayton | Chef is going to have the same issue | 20:20 |
| jeblair | i feel like we may have opened a can of worms with the trademark thing. there are so many 'puppet-foo' things in the community and i don't think anyone thinks they infringe. but we asked... so we got an answer. :/ | 20:20 |
| ttx | jbryce: you feel good signing a name usage agreement with Puppet Labs ? | 20:20 |
| anteaya | are we discussing all deployment tools, as chef has a patch up | 20:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:20 |
| anteaya | as clayton says | 20:20 |
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| jbryce | ttx: if that’s what it takes to have a clear name for the project, yes | 20:20 |
| sdague | anteaya: that's scheduled for a later meeting | 20:20 |
| ttx | I think we can approve / reject the application without making the final call on name | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | s/puppet/strings/ | 20:20 |
| anteaya | sdague: so deployment tools one at a time? | 20:20 |
| jbryce | ttx: i don’t know if i’d say “feel good” but i’d say “willing to” = ) | 20:20 |
| mordred | I would argue that not being able to call modules written for puppet "puppet modules" because of trademark issues is a pretty big issue that the fine folks are puppetlabs should figure out | 20:21 |
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| sdague | anteaya: this is a very specific application | 20:21 |
| jbryce | and i wouldn’t argue with you | 20:21 |
| ttx | the question is more, should we shoot for "Puppet OpenStack" and fall back on Marioneta, or just pick Marioneta | 20:21 |
| jeblair | anteaya: tc meeting topics one at a time according to the rules for the agenda | 20:21 |
| agentle_ | I'm a fan of calling it what it is | 20:21 |
| mordred | ttx: how about "OpenStack Modules for Puppet" | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | mordred: +1 | 20:21 |
| EmilienM | ttx: can we wait a bit to choose a name? Puppetlabs asked me to wait some days | 20:21 |
| mordred | ttx: which is a completely descriptive statement | 20:21 |
| mordred | and does not imply that it is branded | 20:21 |
| sdague | EmilienM: yeh, I think it's fine if we patch in the name later | 20:21 |
| agentle_ | even though I asked the tm question, it's the writer in me for both needs | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | let's just take the name as it is, and change it later | 20:22 |
| crinkle | the name puppet labs is considering is "Puppet Modules" with the implied Openstack before it | 20:22 |
| devananda | I'd prefer having "puppet" somewhere in our name, because that's what it is | 20:22 |
| devananda | mordred: ++ | 20:22 |
| mordred | crinkle: that also works for me | 20:22 |
| jbryce | mordred: is that accurate or is it the other way around? | 20:22 |
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| mordred | jbryce: yes - Puppet Modules for OpenStack is more accurate | 20:22 |
| sdague | so... how about we taking the naming conversation offline :) | 20:22 |
| jeblair | jbryce, mordred: you're both right? :) | 20:22 |
| agentle_ | jbryce: I think mordred is playing with the words :) | 20:22 |
| sdague | and focus on the content | 20:22 |
| mordred | jbryce: but both could be accurate | 20:22 |
| jeblair | right you both are | 20:22 |
| ttx | OK, naming can be solved in parallel | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | sdague: +1, thx | 20:22 |
| mordred | sdague: I am +10000000 on the application | 20:22 |
| agentle_ | I think we want these contributors to make OpenStack better | 20:23 |
| jbryce | before we go, is there someone over there that we at the foundation should talk to? | 20:23 |
| mordred | the naming is the only thing worth discussing :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | questions on the application itself ? | 20:23 |
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| sdague | mordred: good, so I'd say we approve the content, and patch the name in after EmilienM and possibly jbryce figure out what's viable | 20:23 |
| crinkle | jbryce: I can put you in contact with out lawyer | 20:23 |
| crinkle | our* | 20:23 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:23 |
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| ttx | we are at 8 yes, so enough to pass | 20:23 |
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| sdague | I trust them to come up with something reasonable | 20:23 |
| ttx | jbryce likes talking to lawyers | 20:23 |
| devananda | ttx: actually, one question | 20:23 |
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| jbryce | crinkle: thanks - jonathan@openstack.org | 20:23 |
| mordred | jeblair, fungi: we're going to want to use that playbook for that rename I think :) | 20:24 |
| jeblair | mordred: yep | 20:24 |
| fungi | hrm | 20:24 |
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| jbryce | ttx: i just got off the phone with one! | 20:24 |
| ttx | devananda: ask and you shall get answers | 20:24 |
| devananda | ttx: a while back I had the idea that we put allthe deployment things (puppet, chef, etc) into a separate hyphenated namespace | 20:24 |
| devananda | like openstack-dev, openstack-infra | 20:24 |
| agentle_ | jbryce: me too! | 20:24 |
| jeblair | fyi, infra is planning on deferring git repo renames until after the release | 20:24 |
| fungi | yeah, that's going to be a lot of repos | 20:24 |
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| russellb | patch is in merge conflict now | 20:24 |
| ttx | devananda: I think that's a bit orthogonal to the issue | 20:24 |
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| ttx | jeblair: ^ opinion on that ? | 20:25 |
| mordred | devananda: what woudl be the problem to solve with doing that? | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | Has "Marioneta" cleared Trademarks as well? Didn't mcollective come from a company PuppetLabs acquired called Marrionette labs? | 20:25 |
| jeblair | devananda: i'd really like to move everything into openstack/ | 20:25 |
| russellb | but i guess that's something that can be fixed and approved based on previous votes | 20:25 |
| devananda | mordred: not sure. this idea was before the big tent. there may be no problem now | 20:25 |
| devananda | just bringing it up to be sure | 20:25 |
| mordred | devananda: nod | 20:25 |
| russellb | jeblair: i'm getting to that point | 20:25 |
| anteaya | fuel has 32 repos | 20:25 |
| devananda | if we want openstack/puppet-* and openstack/chef-* and ... | 20:25 |
| sdague | ttx: I just rebased | 20:25 |
| devananda | then that's great | 20:25 |
| ttx | sdague: yay | 20:25 |
| sdague | so, there was a merge conflict on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172112/ | 20:25 |
| jeblair | devananda: i believe that correctly signals what we're doing | 20:26 |
| ttx | please all revote | 20:26 |
| sdague | with the last one landing | 20:26 |
| sdague | please revote | 20:26 |
| mordred | devananda: I think it's not a problem ... we COULD have openstack/puppet/nova if we wanted - but our reliance on non-free software like github means we're stuck with their limitations | 20:26 |
| ttx | damn, owned by russell | 20:26 |
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| mordred | there is literally nothing in git, gerrit or any of the rest of our tools which makes a single-directory-deep namespacing structure special - other than our outbound read-only replication stream | 20:27 |
| mordred | just while we're on the topic :) | 20:27 |
| sdague | mordred: go revote :) | 20:27 |
| mordred | sdague: going | 20:27 |
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| sdague | though we're at 7 already | 20:27 |
| ttx | ok, 30 more seconds | 20:27 |
| jeblair | yeah, a lot of the awkwardness around this comes from that limitation | 20:27 |
| devananda | ok. if there's no benefit to infra for creating a separate pool for config management tools (eg, openstack-config/puppet-* or something) then I'm fine with the current namespace proposal | 20:27 |
| mordred | devananda: nope. no help to us! | 20:28 |
| devananda | mordred: my +1 stands then :) | 20:28 |
| mordred | devananda: but thanks for thinking of us - /me feels loved | 20:28 |
| ttx | alright, win | 20:28 |
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| agentle_ | devananda: mordred: jeblair: when will it be easier to search for reviews in gerrit though? | 20:28 |
| jeblair | <3 | 20:28 |
| ttx | crinkle, EmilienM: wec | 20:28 |
| ttx | welcome* | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | thanks, we will come-up with a name very soon :-) | 20:28 |
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| crinkle | :) | 20:29 |
| agentle_ | thanks EmilienM! Great due diligence shown. | 20:29 |
| ttx | #topic Let projects add repos without prior-approval | 20:29 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/173465 | 20:29 |
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| jeblair | agentle_: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Estackforge/puppet-.*,n,z | 20:29 |
| ttx | I think this one is a welcome clarification | 20:29 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:29 |
| ttx | Posted a nit on "PTL" expansion since we are phasing out usage of "Technical" there | 20:29 |
| agentle_ | jeblair: yay regex :) | 20:29 |
| jeblair | agentle_: you can regex search project names, so there's an easy search for all puppet-* projects.... anyway, can followup later | 20:29 |
| agentle_ | got it | 20:29 |
| ttx | But could fix in a subsequent change if needed | 20:29 |
| jeblair | ttx: oh drat :) | 20:30 |
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| ttx | If you change it now I promise to revote immediately | 20:30 |
| agentle_ | change it! | 20:30 |
| agentle_ | :) | 20:30 |
| jeblair | ttx: my fingers have not kept up with the changing times | 20:30 |
| * agentle_ didn't realize it either | 20:30 | |
| * ttx likes immutable acronyms that keep on describving different things. | 20:30 | |
| ttx | Project Technical Lead -> Program Technical Lead -> Project Team Lead | 20:31 |
| agentle_ | heh | 20:31 |
| jeblair | ttx: it has 7, can i followup patch? | 20:31 |
| ttx | jeblair: granted | 20:31 |
| ttx | and I reserve the right to approve it as typo | 20:31 |
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| * david-lyle glad to know what PTL means this week | 20:32 | |
| mestery | lol | 20:32 |
| devananda | heh | 20:32 |
| med_ | Powerful Toad Lord | 20:32 |
| ttx | you never know what you sign up for! that's the beauty of the game | 20:32 |
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| sdague | Pretty Tough Lemming | 20:32 |
| ttx | approved | 20:32 |
| mordred | ttx: so - we're spending a lot of time in meetings discussing our votes in a gerrit review - perhaps we should only discuss things that haven't had enough votes for 2 weeks - or that have a -1 on them? motivate people to vote on the reviews not in the meeting? | 20:32 |
| jeblair | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/176062 | 20:33 |
| sdague | mordred: ++ | 20:33 |
| mordred | I mean, as much as I love narrating while people operate gerrit | 20:33 |
| ttx | mordred: sounds like a topic for the next generation TC | 20:33 |
| mordred | ttx: neat | 20:33 |
| mordred | ttx: I'll raise it when we have one of those | 20:33 |
| mikal | mordred: I agree, this seems like not a great use of time | 20:33 |
| jeblair | mordred: generally +1 but it's also worth discussing things where non-trival comments have been left in gerrit | 20:33 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah | 20:33 |
| ttx | fast approving https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176062/ as typo change | 20:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: so - "the chair should look through the reviews and see if any actually need discussion" | 20:34 |
| ttx | #topic Projects list housekeeping | 20:34 |
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| ttx | * Add glean to infra (https://review.openstack.org/172748) | 20:34 |
| mordred | that way we have time to discuss things that need discussion without feeling like we'd be falling behind | 20:34 |
| ttx | * Rename keystoneclient-federation to saml2 (https://review.openstack.org/173619) | 20:34 |
| ttx | * Add django-openstack-auth-kerberos project (https://review.openstack.org/172802) | 20:34 |
| ttx | * Changes Rally to Benchmark service to better match other names (https://review.openstack.org/173308) | 20:34 |
| ttx | I think those can all be approved | 20:34 |
| jeblair | ++ | 20:34 |
| ttx | and I'll therefore proceed | 20:35 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:35 |
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| ttx | Hmm https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172802/ | 20:35 |
| ttx | question on suse of - vs. _ | 20:35 |
| ttx | All the others were approved | 20:36 |
| jeblair | let's bring it to jamie's attention | 20:36 |
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| ttx | I tend to agree that it looks a bit weird to not be consistent there | 20:36 |
| jeblair | it's not worth arguing over, but is worth getting right the first time if it's a mistake | 20:36 |
| fungi | AJaeger pointed it out in his comment too | 20:36 |
| fungi | a week ago | 20:36 |
| fungi | surprised there's no reply from the author | 20:37 |
| ttx | I'll leave that one for the moment. | 20:37 |
| ttx | #topic Governance repo housekeeping | 20:37 |
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| ttx | jogo posted a series of code fixes for the tooling in the repo: | 20:37 |
| ttx | * Update sphinx docs to support team based tags (https://review.openstack.org/172591) | 20:37 |
| ttx | * Remove unused code from teams.py (https://review.openstack.org/172592) | 20:37 |
| ttx | * Update formatting of teams page (https://review.openstack.org/172593) | 20:37 |
| ttx | * Update diversity.py to use projects.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/174023) | 20:38 |
| ttx | * Add tool/framework to automatically validate the tag applications. (https://review.openstack.org/174024) | 20:38 |
| ttx | * Add check for 'release:has-stable-branches' (https://review.openstack.org/174169) | 20:38 |
| ttx | It's more like code reviews... I propose to approve them if they pile up 2 +1s and no -1s after the meeting | 20:38 |
| ttx | which shouldn't be hard | 20:38 |
| jeblair | if this is getting serious, we may want to move the tooling out of this repo | 20:38 |
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| ttx | jeblair: half the tooling is to produce docs | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | re: - vs _ , I believe Jamie was shooting for consistency with the rest of openstack over consistency with django_openstack_auth | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | I think ttx's proposal on code reviews is reasonable | 20:39 |
| agentle_ | dhellmann: agree | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we should probably start writing these exceptions down somewhere :-) | 20:39 |
| ttx | basically, it's not governance, it's doc or python code | 20:39 |
| ttx | dhellmann: kilo motto, you need a new one | 20:40 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, i'm just saying that if we develop a substantial amount of code reviews, we can move it to another repo with no change in functionality, but we can give it its own core group | 20:40 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yep | 20:40 |
| ttx | jeblair: hmm, yeah | 20:40 |
| ttx | anyway, I'll pick them up and approve them tomorrow if they are clear | 20:40 |
| jeblair | that's probably only worth doing once it gets to a certain point though | 20:40 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:40 |
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| jeblair | and yeah ++ on that for now | 20:40 |
| ttx | Remember the TC [re]election season is open: | 20:40 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061823.html | 20:41 |
| mikal | Yeah, it seems like we have very few candidates so far | 20:41 |
| ttx | So this asks the usual question of whether we should hold the meeting next week | 20:41 |
| mikal | Are people procrastinating, or is no one running? | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx: in the past we have continued to meet | 20:41 |
| ttx | I think people are procrastinating | 20:41 |
| edleafe | I'm procrastinating :) | 20:41 |
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| ttx | mikal: you are on te reelection list, btw ;) | 20:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: agreed | 20:41 |
| mikal | ttx: I know | 20:42 |
| ttx | We are likely to have a few things to discuss next week | 20:42 |
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| ttx | so I propose we hold one | 20:42 |
| mordred | ttx: can I run for a second seat? do our rules specify I can't? | 20:42 |
| russellb | ++ to keep meeting | 20:42 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:42 |
| anteaya | mordred: you can't run it is in the wiki | 20:42 |
| ttx | mordred: the rules actually say you can't | 20:42 |
| mordred | GAH | 20:42 |
| devananda | I'm procrastinating sending something, but also because i'm debating not running | 20:42 |
| jeblair | mordred: haha! | 20:42 |
| ttx | mordred: Also we'll have to start organizing the TC dinner, if you're bored | 20:42 |
| mordred | yeah. I should start doing that | 20:43 |
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| russellb | Thursday night? | 20:43 |
| mikal | devananda: yeah, I am in a similar boat. I haven't 100% decided yet. | 20:43 |
| ttx | since you are already on the next TC you can organize | 20:43 |
| mordred | thursday works for me - anybody have any objections to that? | 20:43 |
| russellb | historically we've invited outgoing TC members too anyway | 20:43 |
| sdague | yeh, I think that's a good tradition to keep up | 20:43 |
| jeblair | russellb: yes, i recall that too | 20:43 |
| devananda | mikal: want to gri^D^D^Dshare thoughts after the project meeting? | 20:43 |
| ttx | that may make for a large dinner this time, if people keep procrastinating :) | 20:43 |
| devananda | russellb: ++ | 20:44 |
| mordred | ttx: I was thinking Tim Horton's | 20:44 |
| mikal | devananda: sure | 20:44 |
| mestery | mordred: lol :) | 20:44 |
| russellb | mordred: WFM | 20:44 |
| mestery | mordred: But seriously, Tim Horton's is #ftw ;) | 20:44 |
| agentle_ | devananda: mikal: would love to keep you | 20:44 |
| sdague | cookies and coffee :) | 20:44 |
| ttx | In other news we now have 17 suggestions up for the cross-project track: | 20:44 |
| ttx | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit?usp=sharing | 20:44 |
| ttx | I feel like we are still missing stuff. If you think of something, please file at: | 20:44 |
| devananda | whether or not i'm on the TC next cycle, I appreciated having the outgoing folks at the previous dinners | 20:44 |
| ttx | #link http://goo.gl/forms/S69HM6XEeb | 20:44 |
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| agentle_ | sdague: I can work on the Service Catalog Standardization leading the discussion | 20:45 |
| ttx | mordred: HP pays Hp decides | 20:45 |
| sdague | agentle_: great | 20:45 |
| agentle_ | sdague: thanks for putting it on there | 20:45 |
| sdague | I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss it | 20:45 |
| sdague | agentle_: no prob | 20:46 |
| agentle_ | ttx: do you have a way to edit the sheet to add me as leading the session for Service Catalog Standardization? | 20:46 |
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| ttx | I can add you as editor, even | 20:46 |
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| ttx | agentle_: PM me your Google address | 20:46 |
| agentle_ | ttx: Fancy | 20:46 |
| sdague | ttx: how many tracks / slots are we shooting for here? | 20:46 |
| devananda | ttx: I have not proposed anything to the cross project yet | 20:47 |
| ttx | sdague: let me check | 20:47 |
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| ttx | We have 14 sessions | 20:47 |
| ttx | two in parallel all Tuesday | 20:48 |
| sdague | is that 2 tracks x 7 slots? | 20:48 |
| sdague | ok | 20:48 |
| ttx | same as in Paris, I think | 20:48 |
| vishy | fyi I will not be running for the next tc cycle | 20:48 |
| sdague | we did 3 somewhere | 20:48 |
| vishy | which will be the first time since the ppb started i will not be there | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | sdague: the first time, I think. Atlanta? | 20:48 |
| vishy | ttx you’re going to have to hold down the fort for me | 20:48 |
| mordred | vishy: that's very strange to me | 20:49 |
| sdague | vishy: thank you so much for your leadership all these years | 20:49 |
| ttx | PPB oldies | 20:49 |
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| jgriffith | Agreed... feels weird | 20:49 |
| vishy | :( | 20:49 |
| ttx | vishy: you can stay if you really want to | 20:50 |
| agentle_ | vishy: thanks for all your input and leadership | 20:50 |
| * jeblair salutes vishy | 20:50 | |
| agentle_ | vishy: you'll come to dinner still I hope! | 20:50 |
| ttx | Now I know the theme of the TC dinner | 20:50 |
| vishy | yes still in for dinner | 20:50 |
| * jgriffith propos a special dinner just for Vish | 20:50 | |
| agentle_ | not PPB oldies ttx :) | 20:50 |
| agentle_ | that's not a foodie theme :) | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | vishy: thanks for leading by example, and for training me when I started contributing to openstack | 20:51 |
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| vishy | thx for the sentiments all | 20:51 |
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| vishy | it has been a blast | 20:51 |
| russellb | vishy: thanks indeed, huge thanks for being so welcoming to me in nova | 20:51 |
| fungi | you will live on in vishfacts | 20:51 |
| vishy | omg is that still up? | 20:51 |
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| fungi | nah, i think it went dead long ago | 20:52 |
| ttx | no but that should be fixed | 20:52 |
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| vishy | thank god | 20:52 |
| agentle_ | hahaha | 20:52 |
| ttx | Still on the GitHub : https://github.com/bcwaldon/vishfacts.com | 20:52 |
| * jeblair would +2 an infra patch to run it. just sayin. | 20:52 | |
| * med_ waybacks vishfacts | 20:52 | |
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| ttx | OK... Anything else, anyone ? | 20:54 |
| zehicle | #link git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/ | 20:54 |
| zehicle | just a reminder that we're still looking for reviews and feedback | 20:54 |
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| zehicle | russellb, thanks for yours | 20:54 |
| ttx | ack, still plan to review that last changeset from Russell, but release is a bit crazy this time | 20:55 |
| ttx | We almost had a boring one | 20:55 |
| zehicle | I think we are not planning much on it for the joint meeting Board/TC meeting. | 20:55 |
| ttx | Thansk a LOT to dhellmann for helping keeping kilo in one piece btw | 20:55 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: ++ | 20:55 |
| ttx | definitelt a two-person job this time | 20:55 |
| mestery | ++, thanks dhellmann! | 20:55 |
| anteaya | yay dhellmann and his email script :) | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | ++ | 20:56 |
| * zehicle completed PSA on DefCore | 20:56 | |
| ttx | yeah, that was .. a bit too much :) | 20:56 |
| jeblair | openstack: definitely a two-person job | 20:56 |
| ttx | I could use a tshirt with that | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | ttx: as much fun as the last week has been, I hope next time around we'll have the lib dependency thing worked out so we can avoid repeating this. | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: ++ | 20:56 |
| fungi | it does seem like a lesson best learned once | 20:57 |
| sdague | dhellmann: also... it's not done yet, we're effectively wedged | 20:57 |
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| sdague | fungi: agreed, this was a bigger dragon than expected | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, I'm seeing stuff about cliff/stevedore/neutronclient | 20:57 |
| * ttx looks in another direction | 20:57 | |
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| ttx | Alright, if nothing else, let's close with 3 minutes break | 20:58 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 20:58:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-21-20.03.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-21-20.03.txt | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-21-20.03.log.html | 20:58 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | that has to be a first | 20:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think your minute debt is canceled | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: brb | 20:58 |
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| fungi | ha | 20:58 |
| fungi | he wouldn't have spent it if he'd had it! | 20:58 |
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| ttx | alright, next meeting | 21:01 |
| ttx | courtesy PTL ping: devananda, dhellmann, morganfainberg, notmyname, eglynn, nikhil_k, thingee, asalkeld, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov, mikal: around ? | 21:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:01 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hello | 21:01 |
| devananda | \o though i'll be afk for 5 min | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ttx | guess I should update that list | 21:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 21:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o. | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 21 21:02:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:02 |
| mikal | ttx: I actually have to run away today... | 21:02 |
| etoews | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | mikal: run | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic api-wg discussion | 21:02 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 21:02 |
| ttx | etoews: hi! | 21:02 |
| ttx | I'll let you drive that one | 21:02 |
| etoews | hi! | 21:02 |
| etoews | sure thing | 21:02 |
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| etoews | this is something i want to do on a semi-regular baiss | 21:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 21:03 |
| etoews | s/baiss/basis/ | 21:03 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 21:03 |
| etoews | once we've discussed and reached consensus on api guidelines in the api wg, we bring them up here for more viz before merging them. | 21:03 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/ | 21:04 |
| etoews | we'd like to get some API CPLs to look at that one. | 21:04 |
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| nikhil_k | etoews: nice | 21:04 |
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| etoews | likewise #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159892/ | 21:05 |
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| agentle_ | really nice writing, clear | 21:05 |
| etoews | one thought is that if we get no response from API CPLs by the eow then we can assume lazy consensus the merge by the following week. | 21:06 |
| etoews | feedback on that plan? | 21:06 |
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| nikhil_k | umm, I would suggest giving a few more days | 21:06 |
| nikhil_k | with rc2 lined up for most prj | 21:06 |
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| etoews | ah yes. i should give some consideration to the time of cycle. :) | 21:07 |
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| ttx | etoews: same for weeks that cover Design Summits :) | 21:07 |
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| asalkeld | etoews: both +1 from me | 21:07 |
| ttx | but yes, generally speaking, raise them at meeting and do lazy consensus at week+1 | 21:07 |
| devananda | etoews: less than one week for lazy concensus, especially with RC periods or holidays, is generally not enough IMO. | 21:08 |
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| etoews | understood. maybe we should sync the lazy consensus time to the cross-project meeting | 21:09 |
| Rockyg | etoews: did you advertise these to the operators list? They might want to at least have a look | 21:09 |
| etoews | tues to tues | 21:09 |
| etoews | Rockyg: will do | 21:09 |
| devananda | etoews: also, the commit message is super short. I'd suggest copying the first few para from the spec to the commit message, or including a summary, or something like that | 21:09 |
| etoews | fair enough | 21:10 |
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| devananda | etoews: also, this spec describes what a tag is and how to address it, but gives no guidance on when to use tags | 21:11 |
| etoews | it's not my guideline. can you comment directly on the review? :) | 21:12 |
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| devananda | sure | 21:12 |
| agentle_ | tues to tues works well for synch | 21:12 |
| ttx | etoews: looks like we have general agreement | 21:12 |
| ttx | Anything else you wanted to cover ? | 21:12 |
| etoews | and i think i'll send out an email to -dev and -operators advertising guidelines up for final review. | 21:13 |
| etoews | ttx: nope. that covers it. thx. | 21:13 |
| ttx | you can send those in advance of the Cross-project meeting | 21:13 |
| ttx | so that people interested know they can join and discuss them | 21:13 |
| etoews | sure | 21:13 |
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| ttx | #topic openstack-specs discussion | 21:13 |
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| ttx | We have two openstack-specs up for discussion | 21:13 |
| jokke_ | and have time to read it before if new thing ;) | 21:14 |
| ttx | SpamapS: around? | 21:14 |
| SpamapS | ttx: I am | 21:14 |
| ttx | * Supported messaging drivers policy (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174105/) | 21:14 |
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| ttx | I'll let you introduce yours | 21:14 |
| SpamapS | Right, so the intention is to ensure that oslo.messaging only ships drivers which the community is able to fully support. | 21:14 |
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| SpamapS | In surveys, we have seen almost no respondents with anything other than RabbitMQ. Recently we've seen increased interest in the zmq driver, but not much investment of time and resources. | 21:15 |
| bknudson | what's tested in the gate? | 21:15 |
| SpamapS | So this policy is intended to define some clear policy for messaging drivers to meet to stay in oslo.messaging. | 21:15 |
| SpamapS | bknudson: only rabbitmq | 21:15 |
| SpamapS | And that is one of the requirements in the proposed spec. :) | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS: do we need some kind of deprecation window? | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | rather than just remove | 21:17 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: Yes definitely. | 21:17 |
| ttx | it is in the spec | 21:17 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: that is also in the proposed spec. | 21:17 |
| asalkeld | o, missed that | 21:17 |
| SpamapS | Including provisional time for new drivers to meet all requirements. | 21:17 |
| SpamapS | So that progress can be made from within the tree in good faith. | 21:17 |
| ttx | ok, I think it makes sense. We may have to recruit people | 21:17 |
| ttx | I think it all makes sense | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | something similar worked quite well for Nova virt drivers, in many ways, it seems like a good path | 21:18 |
| ttx | questions? | 21:18 |
| jokke_ | SpamapS: this looks to be oslo messaging policy, is there a reason why it's on openstack-specs rather than oslo-specs? ;) | 21:19 |
| gordc | if we mark a driver deprecated... what happens if it becomes compliant later? | 21:19 |
| SpamapS | Please do provide feedback on the spec. I intend to get any out of policy drivers deprecated mid-liberty if nobody shows up to maintain and test them. | 21:19 |
| gordc | we just take back the deprecated status? | 21:19 |
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| asalkeld | SpamapS: is it worth having some kind of support_status like we have in heat resources, so the operator knows the state of it | 21:19 |
| SpamapS | jokke_: because nearly everything requires oslo.messaging. | 21:19 |
| ttx | jokke_: that's a good point | 21:19 |
| * gordc will comment on spec | 21:19 | |
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| SpamapS | I don't think it is a decision the oslo core team should be making alone. | 21:20 |
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| jokke_ | SpamapS: tru, but the change is still just oslo change ... oslo.messaging consumers should not need to take actions on the provider, right? | 21:20 |
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| jokke_ | SpamapS: I think it's fair point to bring it up, here, appreciated. Just technicality out of my curiosity | 21:21 |
| jokke_ | s/, here/ here/ | 21:21 |
| SpamapS | So, this may be totally off base, but ot me, oslo-specs are about implementation of common code. Because oslo is always cross-project, any policy is an openstack-wide policy and should be more broadly considered. | 21:21 |
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| ttx | doesn't shock me either way | 21:22 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, your comments are appreciated very much, thank you! | 21:22 |
| ttx | OK, last coments/questions before we move on ? | 21:22 |
| ttx | * Return request ID to caller (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/) | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | seems sensible | 21:22 |
| tpatil | Hi | 21:22 |
| tpatil | Jamie has suggested a new approach to pass request id using keystone client.session instead of making changes to the individual clients | 21:22 |
| ttx | tpatil: hi! | 21:22 |
| jokke_ | SpamapS: I might be wrong, but I have been looking those two spec repos in a light that oslo-specs contains proposals implemented within oslo projects and openstack-specs common guidelines followed withing individual OS projects | 21:23 |
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| tpatil | I would like to know whether it's ok to pass request id between services or each service should generate it's own request id. | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: I think we actually need both | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | johnthetubaguy: so parent child request_ids? | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: think about a single nova command makes many glance requests | 21:25 |
| notmyname | as long as the request ID passed in isn't trusted | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | asalkeld: I was thinking simpler | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | do we really need to pass it in tho' | 21:25 |
| tpatil | If request id can be shared between OpenStack services, then I think Jamie solution is worth | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | so think about doing both, and the trusted issues seems to go away | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | every request has its own id | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but a caller can give their own id too (up to a certain size limit) | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that works | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thinking of a single nova request id | 21:26 |
| tpatil | we have started understanding keystonemiddleware, will work on spec and upload new before the next meeting. | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | that creates several neutron requests and glance requests | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | each need their own id | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its handy to give them the caller, Nova in this case, request uuid | 21:26 |
| notmyname | hmm...looks like I need to figure out how this works with the existing fuctionality in swift | 21:26 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: and nova logs could contain both the nova and $other_service request-id's on certain log lines | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: agreed, but I think we are better having both, glance logs with nova, and nova with glance | 21:27 |
| notmyname | x-trans-id header (with an optional user-settable suffix) | 21:27 |
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| devananda | i've had concerns in the past with allowing the python clients to pass a request id *to* a service. basically allows end users to specify arbitrary strings that show up in logs in place of meaningful data | 21:27 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: and passing it from nova to glance means that a user could also pass their own garbage directly to glance, unless something else i'm not aware of would prevent that? | 21:28 |
| jokke_ | I really don't like that idea ... for us to keep them unique, they need to be really long even in short period of investigation. That means that soon enough we have few first lines of log message different IDs if we chain them | 21:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | devananda: right, but if each request also has its own generated id, you don't leave the logs in a bad state (assuming there is a limit on that values passed in), I think | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | johnthetubaguy: surely you just need one log that maps the parent to child | 21:28 |
| tpatil | devananda: we can encrypt request id and the service in question should decrypt and use it instead of creating it's own. | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | jokke_: I see only two for now, the caller and the local id, but maybe thats just me | 21:29 |
| notmyname | isn't this solving the same problem that "user-agent" is solving? | 21:29 |
| devananda | +1 for parent logging both its request-id and any request-id returned from services it called | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: I don't see why we want to add encryption when its not required here | 21:29 |
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| devananda | tpatil: yea... encryption just for passing a request-id is going to add a lot more complexity that isn't necessary | 21:29 |
| * jogo is amazed this same conversation has been going on for what seems to be years now | 21:30 | |
| bknudson | keystone tokens have an audit_id now that could be used for tracking. | 21:30 |
| devananda | bknudson: what if the same token is used to issue multiple requests in parallel? | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | bknudson: thats shared between request though, I guess, which breaks the concept, I think | 21:30 |
| bknudson | you'd still need a request ID. | 21:30 |
| tpatil | johnthetubaguy: nova talking with cinder, if we don't encrypt it then malicious user can send random request id, which we don't want | 21:31 |
| bknudson | it could just be much shorter | 21:31 |
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| asalkeld | i really think the main thing here is to make the request_id accessible from the client | 21:31 |
| devananda | tpatil: we shouldn't be sending a request-id in a request. | 21:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: but whats the halm, if you already have your local request_id there too? | 21:31 |
| devananda | asalkeld: ++ | 21:31 |
| notmyname | jogo: log your own request id. log the first 32 (or whatever) bytes of the passed-in request id. done. :-) | 21:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | notmyname: +1 | 21:31 |
| notmyname | asalkeld: is it? I thought it was to correlate logs? end-users better not see those | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | notmyname: all the request ids should be the same format | 21:32 |
| jogo | notmyname: but why do that when we can make this so much more complex? | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | well except for swift I guess | 21:32 |
| devananda | notmyname: if by "passed in" you mean "returned from the service you just called" -- then +1 | 21:32 |
| mtreinish | but everything else uses the oslo lib to generate them | 21:32 |
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| asalkeld | notmyname: sure, you can do that once you can get the request_id | 21:32 |
| notmyname | mtreinish: absolutely. the format is "a string less than XYZ bytes long" | 21:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | notmyname: +1 | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | devananda: I mean given on a request header | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | devananda: thinking from the server side. yes a client sdk could plumb those together | 21:33 |
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| Rockyg | tpatil: when will the spec rewrite be available for these folks to comment? | 21:34 |
| tpatil | Rocky: If each service is suppose to use it's own request id, then I would request you to please provide feedback on the current spec | 21:34 |
| ttx | Sounds like a good topic for a cross-project track session | 21:34 |
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| ttx | (and there is one posted) | 21:35 |
| Rockyg | Already on the llist! | 21:35 |
| jokke_ | :) | 21:35 |
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| tpatil | txt: we have already added a session for this | 21:35 |
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| tpatil | s/txt/ttx | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | tpatil: it seems that this spec is designed more for client SDKs? | 21:35 |
| ttx | I'm just unsure we can make a lot more progress in a 30-min IRC discussion | 21:35 |
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| asalkeld | ttx: do you have the link to cross project sessions? | 21:36 |
| Rockyg | ttx: that's why I was wondering when this alternative might turn up in the spec. So we can do this offline in prep for the summit | 21:36 |
| tpatil | notmyname: but it can be used by the OpenStack services as well for logging mapping of request ids | 21:37 |
| ttx | asalkeld: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061070.html | 21:37 |
| asalkeld | thx! | 21:37 |
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| ttx | tpatil: planning to rewrite the spec to include the alternative ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | In time for the Design Summit ? | 21:38 |
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| tpatil | ttx: Sure, will do that | 21:38 |
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| ttx | ok, I think that would be the next step | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | tpatil: thanks! | 21:38 |
| tpatil | ttx: yes, before the design summit | 21:38 |
| ttx | Any other remark/question on that topic ? | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | no | 21:39 |
| ttx | ok | 21:40 |
| ttx | #topic Design Summit scheduling | 21:40 |
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| ttx | I sent an email last week with the proposed Design Summit slot layout | 21:40 |
| bknudson | keystoneclient session is moving to keystoneauth | 21:40 |
| ttx | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit?usp=sharing | 21:40 |
| ttx | I got a complaint from Manila which would like to be more separated from Cinder | 21:40 |
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| morganfainberg | ttx, i will need to have a keysotne session traded as we have a conflict with a presentation being given by a number of keystone cores | 21:41 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, if possible | 21:41 |
| ttx | it's tricky since Cinder has 13 sessions, Manila 7, and there are only 18 available time slots | 21:41 |
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| ttx | morganfainberg: when? | 21:42 |
| ttx | I tried to anticipate those | 21:42 |
| ttx | guess I missed one | 21:42 |
| morganfainberg | the worksession at wed 1:50 | 21:42 |
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| david-lyle | same for horizon session | 21:42 |
| * devananda is apparently behind on emails and did not see it yet | 21:42 | |
| morganfainberg | conflicts with http://sched.co/2qch | 21:42 |
| david-lyle | Thurs 4:10- 5:00, multiple cores giving talk | 21:43 |
| ttx | OK, I'll try to move things around a propose a new one tomorrow | 21:43 |
| david-lyle | http://sched.co/2qeB | 21:43 |
| david-lyle | is the conflict | 21:43 |
| ttx | Oh right I detected this one. | 21:44 |
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| ttx | it's with a work session. I'll trto move it out | 21:44 |
| ttx | try | 21:44 |
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| david-lyle | ttx: thanks | 21:44 |
| ttx | Any change on that grid is cascading new failures though | 21:45 |
| morganfainberg | then i'd be willing to surrender the worksession actually. | 21:45 |
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| morganfainberg | for keystone at least. | 21:45 |
| ttx | anyway, if you have other remarks, post them now on that thread (or here) so I can include them in the final layout | 21:45 |
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| ttx | I'll push placeholder sessions to the Design Summit sched before end of week | 21:46 |
| david-lyle | ttx: is that the middle of a work session? | 21:46 |
| ttx | Then you'll be able to use a new tool called Cheddar to update the contents of each slot in your track | 21:46 |
| david-lyle | for horizon | 21:46 |
| ttx | david-lyle: yes | 21:46 |
| morganfainberg | ttx: which thread? | 21:46 |
| david-lyle | if so, we can let it stand | 21:46 |
| david-lyle | we can come and go | 21:46 |
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| ttx | morganfainberg: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061770.html | 21:47 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, thnx | 21:47 |
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| ttx | Cheddar is a sched proxy that lets you edit some (but not all) of the details of sessions | 21:47 |
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| ttx | Like you can't change the time or the room. | 21:47 |
| ttx | I'll send an email about it soon | 21:47 |
| ttx | Note that you can have several people registered to admin your track. By default, will be the PTL, but let me know if you want to delegate that to others | 21:47 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion & announcements | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion & announcements (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:48 | |
| ttx | I posted the proposed Liberty release date and milestone schedule last week: | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061331.html | 21:49 |
| ttx | Let me know if you have problems with it, would be good to make official soon | 21:49 |
| morganfainberg | lgtm. | 21:49 |
| ttx | On the release side, we started to roll out RC2s, but the requirements clusterf*ck hit us again | 21:49 |
| ttx | hopefully will be solved soon | 21:50 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:50 |
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| devananda | ttx: any guidance on room sizes on the spreadsheet? | 21:51 |
| devananda | if so, I dont see it | 21:51 |
| devananda | ttx: I only requested 2 fishbowl sessions for ironic this cycle, but i expect them to be very crowded. in paris our room was overflowing ... | 21:52 |
| ttx | devananda: not really. We can switch those if needed. The column width gives you an idea. | 21:52 |
| bknudson | fishbowls actually sound smaller than work rooms. | 21:52 |
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| devananda | I think of fishbowls as the place everyone comes to look at and poke the fish :) | 21:52 |
| devananda | where fish == core devs | 21:52 |
| ttx | fishbowl 4 is.... | 21:52 |
| * ttx checks | 21:52 | |
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| bknudson | don't bang on the glass... scares us. | 21:52 |
| ttx | 182 seats | 21:53 |
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| ttx | hmm, actually might be a 212 seat one | 21:53 |
| thingee | I'm experiencing the issue where most people are assigning stuff to working sessions rather than fishbowl for cinder https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-proposed-sessions | 21:53 |
| thingee | I think some of these can be moved around, but maybe cinder won't need as many fish bowl | 21:54 |
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| ttx | thingee: you can disguise a fishbowl into a meeting room in the agenda | 21:54 |
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| ttx | by using the right title | 21:54 |
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| thingee | :) | 21:54 |
| ttx | All work sessions have the same (boring) title | 21:54 |
| ttx | since they are like 30-seat rooms, better not attract random people | 21:55 |
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| ttx | but that doesn't prevent you from using the same boring title for your fishbowls. A sort of anti-honeypot. | 21:55 |
| jokke_ | thingee: if you are really struggling, we (Logging WG) might be able to utilize your fishbowl :P | 21:55 |
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| thingee | jokke_: We're going to be discussing these in the next cinder meeting. I'll reply to the list and let ttx if we don't need so many | 21:56 |
| thingee | next cinder meeting being tomorrow | 21:56 |
| ttx | ack | 21:56 |
| ttx | ok, let's close this | 21:57 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 21 21:57:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-21-21.02.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-21-21.02.txt | 21:57 |
| jokke_ | thanks again! | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-04-21-21.02.log.html | 21:57 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:57 |
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