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| annegentle | Let's get going! | 14:00 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 14:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Okay, let's review last action items | 14:01 |
| nickchase | hey all | 14:01 |
| annegentle | hey nickchase | 14:01 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | ah there was a question without an assignee | 14:01 |
| annegentle | For RST conversion: How to address converting audience profiling in Dockbook? | 14:01 |
| annegentle | we've addressed audience profiling with the end user guide already, let me look for more context on that question. | 14:02 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, see this change I6849989a8ae34638935f76efc174ff909a7a441c | 14:02 |
| AJaeger | It's using ":only:".... | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | yeah I think this is addressed, I can follow up with Darren to make sure he has a deep understanding | 14:02 |
| AJaeger | So, "scope" and "only" | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I think he and Joseph figured it out though | 14:03 |
| annegentle | ok and the action item from meeting before that was "annegentle to FTP delete the XML published networking guide" | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | that's done | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | Okay, next topic | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #topic Publishing the End User Guide and Admin User Guide from RST | 14:04 |
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| AJaeger | Looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Publishing_User_Guides | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | I'd like to call a stop for patch to the "old" user guides in preparation for publishing: So, let's not touch doc/user-guide, doc/user-guide-admin and doc/hot-guide anymore. I'll remove them tomorrow... | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | Who wants to help with step 9? I've signed up for the first two tasks. | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, do you want to bulk approve all patches yourself? | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | other than that we look fine IMHO | 14:05 |
| AJaeger | still, I'm sure we'll find issues and can fix them as usual | 14:05 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: we are in REALLY good shape, thank you very much! | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I can take the rest of step 9 | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: did we have an "update sitemap" task? I can do that | 14:05 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, please add to the list, it's not there yet | 14:06 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok added and signed up | 14:06 |
| annegentle | woo! | 14:06 |
| annegentle | this is exciting! | 14:06 |
| AJaeger | thanks, annegentle ! | 14:06 |
| AJaeger | Do you want to approve all patches together? | 14:06 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh like with cascading dependencies? | 14:06 |
| annegentle | or | 14:06 |
| annegentle | tell me what you mean | 14:06 |
| annegentle | will the gate be slow | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | I mean: Approve at a specific time together - so that we can approve the patches at the same time... | 14:07 |
| annegentle | on April 9? | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | no problem with the gate | 14:07 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | yes, tomorrow | 14:07 |
| annegentle | ok, yep, let's do all the approvals and switchover tomorrow | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | please #action it ;) | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Publishing_User_Guides | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | #info Anne and Andreas to pick up remaining tasks for publishing User Guides from RST | 14:08 |
| annegentle | ok! | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | well action will be double-checked too late to matter :) | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 14:09 |
| annegentle | hee | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | #topic Docs specs in review | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170413/ | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | Any chance we have a sc68cal around? I bet he's still sleeping at this hour. | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | Basically just want to make everyone aware of the incoming First App Tutorial. Sorry about the lack of communication about it. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Please review the spec linked | 14:10 |
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| annegentle | Any questions? Any other specs we know are coming? | 14:10 |
| annegentle | nickchase: We still want a spec to review for the ha-guide. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I know we got a TOC update, that's a good start. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | nickchase: want to hear more about why it needs to move | 14:11 |
| annegentle | any other specs? | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | I think loquacities was going to write one for the user guide/admin user guide structure | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | the other specs in review are all from training team | 14:11 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, there'Re some for training guides where I don't know what'S going on with them | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah I don't know either but I expect they're reviewing in their weekly meeting | 14:12 |
| annegentle | expect, hope | 14:12 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:12 |
| annegentle | ok let's move on | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #topic Next migration project | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | So I've compiled some data | 14:13 |
| nickchase | I'm sorry, I got called away for a moment | 14:13 |
| annegentle | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10HD6iW1CtfB1qT2wVODYiHdC0ysr4xw392VCqHB-aaY/edit?usp=sharing | 14:13 |
| nickchase | I'll be right back | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: ok | 14:13 |
| annegentle | I'm still filling in translation info, and added rows for documents that aren't published yet but are being authored. | 14:13 |
| annegentle | honestly the readership and authorship surprised me on some of these. | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | Well the correlation of many readers means more authors wasn't surprising | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 14:14 |
| annegentle | but that the CLI ref isn't highly read gave me pause | 14:14 |
| annegentle | And also in this exercise I discovered only docs.openstack.org/developer/nova and /swift even HAVE tracking | 14:14 |
| annegentle | so I've logged a bug to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslosphinx/+bug/1441315 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441315 in oslosphinx "Web Analytics not being tracked in developer content" [Undecided,New] | 14:15 |
| AJaeger | interesting | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | annegentle: i'm up | 14:15 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah that stinks for any kind of analysis | 14:15 |
| annegentle | welcome sc68cal! | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Did you have any questions on the spec review? | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | annegentle: reading scrollback | 14:15 |
| annegentle | sc68cal: sure, go ahead. I'll keep talking about the "next rst" analysis and we can come back to any questions. | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | So looking at combo of most read and most written, would that be a good measure for "migrate next?" | 14:16 |
| annegentle | or if a guide has a lot of contributors already, does that mean it can stay docbook longer? | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | There's also guides like the Virtual Machine Image Guide that are useful but don't need a lot of maintenance | 14:17 |
| annegentle | so a "quiet" book might be okay to migrate quietly, you know? | 14:17 |
| annegentle | thoughts? | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | migrating is a large task, let's not take too many at once | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | Also, I couldn't really "count" well for the Glossary since no one seems to read it "standalone" and I don't know how to count links to it, yet. | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: agreed... I think we can only do 1-2 in any given release if we're realistic. Unfortunately, that means we | 14:19 |
| annegentle | we're years from completion | 14:19 |
| annegentle | a couple of scenarios | 14:19 |
| annegentle | we could focus on install guide since it has a decent reason for splitting (distros, etc) | 14:19 |
| AJaeger | we have the newly written network-guide in RST and there'S a proposal to rewrite the HA guide completely | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | right | 14:19 |
| AJaeger | So, that's already two moving forward | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | and I don't htink we can get ha-guide, install-guide, and networking-guide without hiring contractors or something. nickchase any ideas? | 14:20 |
| annegentle | I wish Matt was here. | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | or Karin to give us insight for priority for install guide | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | Here's my take. We need to be realistic about what we can really get done. | 14:21 |
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| annegentle | another scenario would be to leave the install guide alone for another release, migrate Image Guide. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | Another scenario would be to migrate the Security Guide since they "win" number of contributors with more than 2 patches. :) | 14:22 |
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| nickchase | one more moment, I'm sorry | 14:22 |
| sicarie | :) | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:22 |
| annegentle | hey Sam-I-Am | 14:22 |
| sicarie | I'd definitely be open to that - would probably want to try to wait until after Liberty | 14:23 |
| AJaeger | I think we should also ask which team wants to move forward... | 14:23 |
| nickchase | OK, I'm off my call | 14:23 |
| nickchase | what did you need fro me? | 14:23 |
| nickchase | OK, so ha-guide: | 14:23 |
| annegentle | nickchase: wanted to discuss "next RST" | 14:23 |
| nickchase | ok, that first | 14:23 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yeah we can circle back on other topics | 14:23 |
| nickchase | so when we first started talking about ha guide... | 14:23 |
| nickchase | we said that we wanted to do it in RST because we were doing so much rewriting that it seemed silly to put it in docbook just to convert it later | 14:24 |
| nickchase | this was a few months ago | 14:24 |
| nickchase | and I thought we were agreed on it | 14:24 |
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| AJaeger | nickchase, fine with me - but let's finally write a spec and sign up on it. | 14:24 |
| nickchase | I'm putting together the spec today after getting a final look over by Bogdan Dobrelya | 14:24 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, great! | 14:24 |
| nickchase | agreed. | 14:24 |
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| nickchase | From there.... | 14:24 |
| nickchase | we actually already have a list of writers who will tackle topics | 14:25 |
| annegentle | I do need to interject, even 3 months ago there were 4-5 fewer projects in OpenStack. so that's why we need specs for agreement | 14:25 |
| nickchase | Sam-I-Am has done a great job of prioritizing | 14:25 |
| nickchase | that's fine | 14:25 |
| nickchase | don't have a problem with it | 14:25 |
| annegentle | ok good | 14:25 |
| nickchase | just didn't know it was expectedc | 14:25 |
| annegentle | we have to adjust with the growth | 14:25 |
| nickchase | not a problem | 14:25 |
| nickchase | agreed | 14:25 |
| annegentle | ya | 14:25 |
| nickchase | ok, so that's the HA guide. | 14:25 |
| annegentle | so, how important is RST for ha guide and install guide together? | 14:26 |
| annegentle | I don't know if that's actually possible. | 14:26 |
| nickchase | install guide I can't speak to | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | we could use bodies to convert the networking guide stuff from my repo | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | that is way way way way behind schedule | 14:26 |
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| nickchase | Some of it's already converted | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | and almost a laugh | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: but if we assign bodies to that we are deprioritizing other things. That's why we need to discuss it all | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: I plan on taking on converting more | 14:26 |
| nickchase | I went to do it last night and found a lot of it was already there | 14:26 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, let'S not add further conversions, instead concentrate on networking in RST... | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | since the provider networking piece was merged | 14:27 |
| nickchase | So sam-I-am let's you and I get together later today and decide who's doing what | 14:27 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: that's fair, Install Guide remains in Docbook then? | 14:27 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, yes IMHO | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | the install guide will need to wait until L | 14:27 |
| nickchase | ajaeger: and ha guide | 14:27 |
| nickchase | because that's not really converting | 14:27 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, sure ;) | 14:27 |
| nickchase | it's rewriting | 14:27 |
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| nickchase | thanks. :) | 14:27 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I'd like that to be taken back to the specialty team to make sure it's okay with the team | 14:27 |
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| AJaeger | so, for Install Guide: No decision to convert yet. If we convert, it will be for Liberty - and needs feedback from speciality team. AGrreed? | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. | 14:28 |
| annegentle | Don't want to make a big decision either with the transition to a new PTL. So I'd like to have someone write a spec for HA Guide and update the Ntworking Guide one. Then we'll use those reviews. | 14:28 |
| * AJaeger can't type anymore | 14:28 | |
| annegentle | heh me neither | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont see karin in here | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | I think the agreement has to be "write specs" at this point. | 14:29 |
| annegentle | or "update specs" as it may be | 14:29 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, so, three specs: Update Networking, new HA, new First Application | 14:29 |
| annegentle | what other blueprints do we expect to see for L? | 14:29 |
| nickchase | I'm ok with "updating the networking spec" as long as... | 14:29 |
| nickchase | we're not talking about long debates over what goes in it. | 14:29 |
| nickchase | As long as it's just "Here's what's in the TOC. +2. Go." | 14:30 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I think we just have to communicate what's going on. Specs are the best way to do that. | 14:30 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, does the current spec mention RST? If not, let's add that... | 14:30 |
| nickchase | annegentle: that's fine, and the wiki has been public and referenced the whole time we've been doing that, so we haven't been hiding what we're doing. | 14:30 |
| nickchase | AJaeger: Not sure but we can add it if it doesn't. | 14:31 |
| AJaeger | nickchase, there are many implicit assumptions, let'S bring them out so that we can all help you properly because we know each other'S plans | 14:31 |
| annegentle | nickchase: not saying that, not at all. | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: just want to stop the assumptions | 14:31 |
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| nickchase | I'm fine with that. | 14:31 |
| nickchase | Let's just be clear, however that .... | 14:31 |
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| nickchase | these "assumptions" are what we used to call "agreements" in a less formal environment. | 14:32 |
| nickchase | :) | 14:32 |
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| nickchase | Moving on? | 14:32 |
| annegentle | sure | 14:32 |
| nickchase | :) | 14:32 |
| annegentle | #topic Specialty teams | 14:32 |
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| annegentle | leads nicely into specialty team reports | 14:32 |
| annegentle | We covered ha guide sufficiently I believe | 14:32 |
| annegentle | anyone here from training? We want to know what you're doing about your spec review backlog | 14:33 |
| annegentle | Also I'd like to hear more about what Training is looking for in space at the Summit. | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | Really that goes for all specialty docs teams | 14:33 |
| annegentle | We should have a preliminary space / time schedule by Friday | 14:33 |
| annegentle | so I'll know more then | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | I've read through the Install Guide meeting notes, nice work you all | 14:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its been... fun. | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | and sort of blocked. | 14:34 |
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| nickchase | We did get the Debian stuff unblocked -- temporarily, at least | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: seems like you're all the way that you can do | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | reasons i'm tired of using packages, #103 | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: debian stuff? | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: heh. write a blueprint for review if you want it discussed | 14:35 |
| annegentle | it being "install from source" | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah. i wish we had more response from packagers. or at least people we know we can talk to. | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | feels like i'm working in a vacuum | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're presenting them with useful pre-release feedback | 14:36 |
| nickchase | There was the whole debian thing where it was removed from the Install guide pending changes, and then we got the changes, then they were blocked by an OpenStack bug so it does't work | 14:36 |
| sc68cal | I could reach out to zigo , he does packaging for debian | 14:36 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah I'm surprised there's little response from Chuck | 14:36 |
| annegentle | nickchase: can you be more specific? | 14:36 |
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| zul | what? | 14:36 |
| nickchase | zigo has delegated writing for the install guide to Alex Adamov | 14:36 |
| nickchase | I spoke to Alex | 14:36 |
| annegentle | nice thanks nickchase | 14:37 |
| nickchase | He did the changes that he supposedly needed to make | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: debian was removed because the combo of install guide and debian packages was completely broken and was waiting on a plan to fix all the things | 14:37 |
| nickchase | he then ran into a bug that needs to be resolved before his instructions work | 14:37 |
| AJaeger | AFAIR annegentle asked for a plan forward - and I have not seen any plan | 14:37 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I had asked Alex the same, but hadn't seen many patches, is he unblocked? | 14:37 |
| nickchase | but it's a neturon bug | 14:37 |
| nickchase | right | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: i -2'd that patch, because it would break the install guide | 14:37 |
| annegentle | nickchase: really really really need communications on that | 14:37 |
| nickchase | he was unblocked, then reblocked | 14:37 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok ideally he'd be letting us know, could have avoided the removal of that guide | 14:37 |
| nickchase | this was post-removal. | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have not seen a plan/spec for fixing the debian stuffs | 14:38 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok good | 14:38 |
| nickchase | and post- me nagging alex and zigo. | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i saw one patch from alex yesterday and i -2'd it | 14:38 |
| nickchase | right | 14:38 |
| annegentle | nickchase: is this time too late for alex? I'd love to hear from him too | 14:38 |
| annegentle | ah ok, nag away :) | 14:38 |
| nickchase | let me see what I can find out | 14:38 |
| KLevenstein | (I’m here, btw, just in two meetings at once) | 14:38 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | hey KLevenstein :) | 14:39 |
| KLevenstein | nickchase: if we can get Alex in on the next install guide team meeting, that’d be cool. | 14:39 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: I think we have the latest status on Install Guide | 14:39 |
| nickchase | when is it? I'll see what I can do. | 14:39 |
| KLevenstein | annegentle: the notes from yesterday should sum it up. | 14:39 |
| annegentle | One other note about specialty teams. | 14:39 |
| annegentle | The Security Guide repo is moving under the new Security project | 14:39 |
| KLevenstein | nickchase: details here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuide#Meeting_information | 14:40 |
| annegentle | So it doesn't need to be goverened by docs any more, though we will certainly provide support. | 14:40 |
| nickchase | much obliged. | 14:40 |
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| sicarie | And that support is greatly appreciated | 14:40 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170172/ | 14:40 |
| annegentle | sicarie: you got it | 14:40 |
| KLevenstein | (I need to switch gears to this other meeting, so ping me if you need me) | 14:40 |
| nickchase | that says next meeting is yesterday. is it weekly? | 14:40 |
| annegentle | weekly, yes | 14:40 |
| nickchase | k. thx | 14:41 |
| annegentle | anything else from specialty teams? | 14:41 |
| sicarie | yeah, if I could jump in while still under the umbrella :) | 14:41 |
| annegentle | sure sicarie | 14:41 |
| annegentle | what's up | 14:41 |
| sicarie | I see 'automation' as a column in the Google doc | 14:41 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, you need to send a patch to governance to move the repos, 170172 does not change "ownership" of security-guide yet | 14:42 |
| sicarie | and that has actually come up in our meetings - we'd like to create a 'security checklist' of sorts | 14:42 |
| sicarie | Is there a good resource on docbook automation? | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: ah yes | 14:42 |
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| AJaeger | sicarie, not really - see what we do with openstack-doc-tools | 14:42 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to patch openstack/governance to show move | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools | 14:43 |
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| sicarie | AJaeger: thanks, I'll take a look | 14:43 |
| annegentle | sicarie: really it's just building blocks and then build automation/CI | 14:43 |
| sicarie | Also, we have seen the physical copy pop up a few time,so we'd like to push a new lulu version | 14:43 |
| annegentle | sicarie: oh good point | 14:43 |
| sicarie | annegentle: got it, that might work very well for what we want to do | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | sicarie: would it be okay for me to somehow give that task to the Foundation? The PDF update? | 14:44 |
| sicarie | which ties into my space request at the summit - would be just a sit-down for 10-15 min on a good approach to get that set | 14:44 |
| annegentle | With a PTL transition there's all sorts of things that I do that I don't think have to be the docs PTL necessarily. | 14:44 |
| sicarie | annegentle: sure - I don't know what it would take to get the current doc ready | 14:44 |
| annegentle | sicarie: my thinking is we'd just take today's PDF and upload to Lulu | 14:44 |
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| annegentle | #action annegentle to give latest Security Guide PDF link to Foundation to upload to Lulu | 14:45 |
| sicarie | annegentle: how much time once we give hte pdf will it take for the lulu version to be updated? | 14:45 |
| annegentle | it's honestly easier for me to just do it but I'd better training someone | 14:45 |
| sicarie | because I might want to wait on that | 14:45 |
| annegentle | sicarie: we've been waiting this release. How about we pick a date. | 14:45 |
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| sicarie | annegentle: sounds good - we've been targeting Liberty with our work | 14:45 |
| annegentle | sicarie: say April 30th? | 14:46 |
| sicarie | the case studies are a mess, the identity and horizon chapters need quite a bit of work, and I'd like a good review of networking as well | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | sicarie: are we better off just uploading a better PDF? | 14:46 |
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| sicarie | annegentle: I would think so - once we get the four sections above taken care of we'll be in MUCH better shape | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | sicarie: ok, so upload one now or wait? | 14:47 |
| sicarie | annegentle: wait - I have two really good contributors I hope to bring on as cores in a little bit, and they're doing very good material work | 14:48 |
| sicarie | I think if we target May/June we'll have a significantly better guide | 14:48 |
| annegentle | sicarie: okay, sounds good | 14:48 |
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| sicarie | (though I suppose we can just upload it again) | 14:48 |
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| annegentle | true. | 14:48 |
| sicarie | I don't know if there is cost associated with that, so I'll defer to you guys! | 14:49 |
| annegentle | if it's a new edition, then there's cost, and I'd say it's probably a new edition | 14:49 |
| annegentle | well, I'll investigate | 14:49 |
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| annegentle | hard to say | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | let the foundation investigate ;) | 14:49 |
| annegentle | yes :) | 14:49 |
| sicarie | +1 | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | you wanted to train them ;) | 14:50 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools update | 14:50 |
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| annegentle | Okay, Im working on a 2.1.4 of clouddocs-maven-plugin for the Kilo release | 14:50 |
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| annegentle | should have it ready by next week, then we'll need to update the pom.xml to pick it up. | 14:50 |
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| annegentle | It has a fix to the Ops Guide output, new links in the API reference, and korean fonts | 14:50 |
| annegentle | that's about it. That tool will be retired as soon as we can... | 14:51 |
| annegentle | And for the openstackdocstheme (Sphinx theme) we should freeze on 1.0.7 for Kilo. | 14:51 |
| annegentle | That's it for tools I believe. | 14:51 |
| annegentle | any questions? | 14:51 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:52 |
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| AJaeger | no questions? Good, then I can go home ;) | 14:53 |
| annegentle | I have a list of topics started for the summit, I'll share that after we get done with some focused items for the release itself. | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | This week is the week we should see a lot of driver docs, thanks for keeping up with those reviews. | 14:53 |
| nickchase | great. thanks, all | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: :) yes! | 14:53 |
| annegentle | Okay, thanks all for making it | 14:54 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Cinder Kilo RC is wrapping up https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-rc-priorities | 16:00 |
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| thingee | I will be doing a cut soon. We're just waiting on the owners of the patches that are marked not ready now | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Woot | 16:01 |
| thingee | thanks everyone for the reviews! | 16:01 |
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| thingee | and patches to bug fixes! | 16:01 |
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| thingee | alright I'm stuck in the airport lobby and need to check in so lets get started, short meeting! | 16:01 |
| thingee | agenda for today: | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #topic Proposal to make the (check|gate)-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph job votin | 16:02 |
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| asselin_ | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | mriedem: hi | 16:02 |
| avishay | hello | 16:02 |
| mriedem | hey | 16:02 |
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| thingee | dansmith: hi | 16:02 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170913/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170913/ | 16:02 |
| dansmith | hola | 16:02 |
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| mriedem | so we have the non-voting ceph job in infra on cinder/nova changes today | 16:02 |
| mriedem | glance was left out of that for some reason, but it runs with an rbd store in glance | 16:02 |
| thingee | #idea ceph is a infra ran ci and stable. Should we allow it to vote? | 16:02 |
| dansmith | before we talk about the voting, should/can we talk about jbernard's patch? | 16:02 |
| dansmith | because we can't make it voting until we fix the bug | 16:03 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: yeah we can | 16:03 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170903/ | 16:03 |
| dansmith | mriedem: did the skip land? | 16:03 |
| mriedem | the infra patch depends on the tempest skip | 16:03 |
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| dansmith | oh, then nevermind :) | 16:03 |
| mriedem | maybe once i bug sdage | 16:03 |
| mriedem | sdague | 16:03 |
| mriedem | anyway, test_volume_boot_pattern pukes on non-lvm backends | 16:03 |
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| mriedem | so we skip that until the bug is fixed | 16:03 |
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| mriedem | and make the ceph job voting for nova/cinder/glance | 16:04 |
| thingee | mriedem: oh I was wondering about that :( | 16:04 |
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| jbernard | more precisely, it pukes whenever you use glance api v2 | 16:04 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: not all non lvm backends, just some | 16:04 |
| mriedem | sounds like the bug also affects glusterfs/gpfs, maybe others | 16:04 |
| e0ne | imo, we need to fix bug first | 16:04 |
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| deepakcs | mriedem, yes it affects glusterfs too | 16:04 |
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| jbernard | it would also effect lvm, if glance v2 is used | 16:04 |
| mriedem | the thing is, the ceph job was passing for awhile, then we enabled test_volume_boot_pattern again, and it blew up the ceph job | 16:04 |
| thingee | jbernard, mriedem what exactly is the bug testing? | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: It does affect GPFS for sure. | 16:04 |
| mriedem | i'd like to see us not regress the ceph job while trying to get this bug fixed | 16:05 |
| thingee | mriedem: it is hitting a lot of the cinder volume drivers. | 16:05 |
| mtreinish | thingee: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/test_volume_boot_pattern.py#n25 | 16:05 |
| mriedem | sure, so it's a nasty bug for shared storage drivers | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | #link proposed fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171312/ | 16:05 |
| dansmith | the thing is, allowing ceph to vote gets a lot of coverage in nova, cinder, and glance of these rbd backends | 16:05 |
| mriedem | and ceph is the #1 storage backend according to the user survey | 16:05 |
| dansmith | which is very valuable, as evidenced by the above list of "yes, affects us too" :) | 16:05 |
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| dansmith | and we can test it in infra | 16:05 |
| mriedem | so we should test production things probably, since lvm != production | 16:05 |
| dansmith | unlike many of the others | 16:05 |
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| thingee | mtreinish, mriedem: seems kind of important to pass? why would we not fix the problem to begin with? | 16:06 |
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| thingee | dansmith: +1 | 16:06 |
| mriedem | thingee: we don't want to regress while fixing that bug | 16:06 |
| mriedem | on other things | 16:06 |
| dansmith | thingee: we have a patch up to fix it | 16:06 |
| thingee | dansmith: link? | 16:06 |
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| dansmith | thingee: and when I say "we" I mean jbernard :) | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/test_volume_boot_pattern.py#n25 | 16:06 |
| mriedem | so skip the test, make the job voting so we don't regress, then once the bug is fixed we unskip the test | 16:06 |
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| thingee | mriedem: got it | 16:06 |
| dansmith | I'm fine with that procedure | 16:06 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171312/ | 16:07 |
| dansmith | I'd like to see the patch get into kilo if at all possible | 16:07 |
| mriedem | that's the proposed fix | 16:07 |
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| dansmith | but I'd rather have regression protection (tm) | 16:07 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171312/ | 16:07 |
| thingee | #idea don't fix volumebootpattern to avoid regress | 16:07 |
| thingee | DuncanT: here? | 16:07 |
| flip214 | thingee: I'd like to ask for a few minutes after the meeting, thank you so much. | 16:07 |
| mriedem | well, we want to fix test_volume_boot_pattern | 16:07 |
| thingee | flip214: got it | 16:07 |
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| mriedem | we just don't want to regress more while fixing that | 16:08 |
| thingee | #undo | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #idea eventually fix volumebootpattern | 16:08 |
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| mriedem | there was a -1 on the infra change b/c the glusterfs and sheepdog jobs are to remain non-voting in cinder | 16:08 |
| thingee | #action jbernard and dansmith have a patch to fix VolumeBootPattern | 16:08 |
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| mriedem | i don't know the whole background on that in cinder land, but those seem specific to cinder whereas the ceph job touches multiple projects | 16:09 |
| mriedem | and there is an rbd specific image backend module in libvirt in nova | 16:09 |
| thingee | does anyone oppose to ceph not voting for now? | 16:09 |
| thingee | I know DuncanT was opposed originally | 16:09 |
| e0ne | thingee: actually, we've got two patches | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Do you mean oppose to ceph voting ? | 16:09 |
| e0ne | but the second one requires new python-glanceclient | 16:09 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yes sorry, I'm in airport..hectic right now | 16:10 |
| avishay | thingee: holiday here, DuncanT may not be around | 16:10 |
| avishay | I see his point, it puts drivers on unequal footing | 16:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: although this failing is not in the ceph driver in nova, it's common across all BFV scenarios in nova | 16:10 |
| * thingee is excited to finish this meeting | 16:10 | |
| mriedem | jungleboyj: yes, comment in here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170913/ | 16:10 |
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| thingee | to refresh everyone's memory, we decided against this back in oct 15 | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, just wanted to clarify. I do not oppose making it voting. I think it is a good improvement. | 16:10 |
| thingee | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-15-16.00.log.html | 16:10 |
| thingee | I think Ceph is unique situation. It's integrated in a variety of projects and maintained by infra. | 16:11 |
| dansmith | and #1 in the user survey for production | 16:11 |
| mriedem | right | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Given that this is unique and looks like it is likely to give us much better test coverage, I think this is the right thing to do. | 16:11 |
| dansmith | and we have involvement from people to fix bugs when they arise | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I would love to ceph, sheepdog, etc actually moved out to a different test queue. Just my opinion. | 16:11 |
| xyang2 | thingee: then what about other CI's maintained by infra? | 16:11 |
| dansmith | smcginnis: right now, infra doesn't support that | 16:11 |
| thingee | xyang2: so so far sheepdog is not stable | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | I understand DuncanT 's concerns, but I don't think improving cross project coverage on a production back end is hurting anyone. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: Yeah, just wishing. :) | 16:12 |
| mriedem | ceph job was on the experimental queue for a long time | 16:12 |
| thingee | xyang2: we're landing patches right now to fix that though | 16:12 |
| mriedem | and it was broken for a long time | 16:12 |
| winston-d | smcginnis: because? | 16:12 |
| mriedem | jbernard: got the ceph job passing so we moved to check queue non-voting | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | It's good these are tested since they are open source drivers. | 16:12 |
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| thingee | mriedem: so were others, that's not unique for cinder volume drivers. | 16:12 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | But it slows down our Jenkins gating. | 16:12 |
| thingee | mriedem: re being in gate for a while | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | We want to know if they fail. | 16:13 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: does it? that test shouldn't be in the gate | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Is here, we can start now. ;-) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | But it shouldn't block thigns. | 16:13 |
| thingee | smcginnis: truth | 16:13 |
| hemna | heh | 16:13 |
| xyang2 | thingee: are we going to allow all of them to vote eventually | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, check not gate. | 16:13 |
| mriedem | right now ceph is non-voting in the cinder check queue | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | iirc the biggest concern with having ci’s voting was that it would cause too much noise with false positives… if the ceph job is stable, why not let it vote then? at least for check | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: I think we decided against that. | 16:13 |
| thingee | xyang2: I think the idea is eventually CI's would vote. they're just not usually stable | 16:13 |
| thingee | mriedem: correct | 16:13 |
| dansmith | so right now, adding ceph gets us a ton more coverage. adding sheepdog after that doesn't give us the same gain | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | Sorry, just got here | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: +1 | 16:14 |
| avishay | i have no problem with ceph being voting, assuming it won't break things too much when its infra goes down | 16:14 |
| dansmith | it gets us some, but not exercising code that wasn't ever touched before | 16:14 |
| mriedem | avishay: it's not 3rd party CI | 16:14 |
| thingee | patrickeast: +1 | 16:14 |
| mriedem | avishay: community infra hosts the job | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | It is a bit uneven, because them voting would result in a Jenkins -1 whereas other drivers are separate. | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | patrickeast: +1 | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: +1 | 16:14 |
| avishay | mriedem: ah ok, then definitely no problem for me | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | That was my original concern | 16:14 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: it already does, but no one cares b/c it's non-voting | 16:14 |
| mriedem | so they don't pay attention | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | Also worth noting ceph has been failing all day | 16:15 |
| hemna | go ceph! | 16:15 |
| thingee | smcginnis: Honestly I think we need to be better at checking non-voting ci's. I've been getting on people in reviews if people haven't noticed | 16:15 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: it's failing because of a bug in cinder | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I'd like to see it stay non-voting or moved out where it doesn't look like a failure if there is some driver specific issue. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | thingee: True | 16:15 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: ever since the boot from volume test was turned on recently | 16:15 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: it had been green for months before that | 16:15 |
| mriedem | DuncanT: ceph is failing until we skip test_volume_boot_pattern on it | 16:15 |
| thingee | DuncanT: most ci's are failing VolumeBootPattern | 16:15 |
| mriedem | which prompted this whole discussion | 16:15 |
| thingee | DuncanT: it will be skipped | 16:15 |
| e0ne | imo, any _stable_ ci must bt voting | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | dansmith: So we'd be unable to merge anything into cinder right now if it was voting | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | CI's need to get to the point of being stable enough to stand out when theres a failure. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That is what has started this discussion. :-) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: My concern exactly. | 16:16 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think the idea is to land the skip first and then watch ceph ci, then change to voting | 16:16 |
| jbernard | DuncanT: there is a patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171312/ | 16:16 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we've got 2 proposed fixes | 16:16 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: no, you wouldn't have been able to re-enable the broken test until it worked :) | 16:16 |
| jordanP | thingee, +1 | 16:16 |
| mriedem | remember that this isn't just a cinder issue | 16:16 |
| mriedem | so we can't make it non-voting in cinder and voting in nova/glance | 16:16 |
| mriedem | b/c a cinder merge can then break the gate for nova/glacne | 16:16 |
| mriedem | so it's all or none | 16:16 |
| thingee | mriedem: +1 | 16:16 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: and this is a legitimately broken thing in cinder, so it not letting you merge something is... what you want :) | 16:16 |
| dansmith | mriedem: right | 16:16 |
| dansmith | this affects three projects | 16:17 |
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| mriedem | and this is the only shared storage backend we have in the infra check queue today for nova | 16:17 |
| mriedem | everything else is lvm | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | lvm is the cinder reference implementation | 16:17 |
| * thingee waits for ceph to become the reference implementation :) | 16:17 | |
| jungleboyj | Remember, if the job had been voting we wouldn't have gotten in the state where it was failing for everyone. | 16:17 |
| mriedem | DuncanT: yeah, but lvm isn't a production backend | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | *Everything* else ahs been classed as third party | 16:17 |
| mriedem | ceph is the most used in production | 16:17 |
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| erlon | what defines a stable CI? | 16:18 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: but it doesn't cover a ton of code that is required for production | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | mriedem: Plenty of people using it in production right now | 16:18 |
| thingee | erlon: that's a good question. | 16:18 |
| hemna | thingee, keep waiting | 16:18 |
| thingee | dansmith, mriedem: do we have numbers before the VolumeBootPattern issue how successful the ceph ci has been running? | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | hemna++ | 16:18 |
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| erlon | thingee: is there a way to count/measure this? or create parameters to have a success hardline? | 16:18 |
| clarkb | thingee: yes all that data is in graphite.openstack.org and logstash.openstack.org | 16:19 |
| mriedem | thingee: it was passing | 16:19 |
| dansmith | thingee: we only have ten days of data I think, and it's been broken for several now | 16:19 |
| mtreinish | thingee: it's probably worth pointing out that the only reason the boot from volume test was ever skipped was because of lvm config issues | 16:19 |
| thingee | mriedem: it was passing is not numbers | 16:19 |
| erlon | e.g. more than 95% in last 30 days is stable | 16:19 |
| mtreinish | which jgriffith only recently sorted | 16:19 |
| clarkb | dansmith: graphite.openstack.org has like a year | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like a good Liberty midcycle discussion. | 16:19 |
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| thingee | clarkb: thanks, can we gather that? | 16:19 |
| xyang2 | thingee: what is the criteria to determine that skipping a test is ok? | 16:19 |
| dansmith | clarkb: oh, I was going on logstash data | 16:19 |
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| mtreinish | dansmith: well that's only 10 days :) | 16:19 |
| thingee | xyang2: I think we just over that because of the regress point | 16:19 |
| erlon | thingee: will save a lot of discussions when adding removing CIs from voting | 16:19 |
| thingee | dansmith: ah ok | 16:20 |
| xyang2 | thingee: there are bugs in tests that affect some particular CI, but not others | 16:20 |
| dansmith | clarkb: can you help me find what element to plot for this? | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | erlon: 5 disagreements in a row with jenkins reference run was the metric being discussed at Paris | 16:20 |
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| dansmith | DuncanT: from experience that's way too tight | 16:20 |
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| dansmith | DuncanT: jenkins fails that a lot :) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: I agree. | 16:21 |
| thingee | So I'll say it again, I think the eventual goal with Cinder's CI was to allow voting, someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that. I think if we want to start getting coverage on a driver other than the reference implementation and something that's maintained by infra and a community, this could be a good start. | 16:21 |
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| patrickeast | thingee: +1 | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | dansmith: I'm only repeating what was said | 16:21 |
| mriedem | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1428510122.331&target=stats_counts.nodepool.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph.master.devstack-trusty.builds&from=00%3A00_20150101&until=23%3A59_20150408 | 16:22 |
| patrickeast | it makes for a nice pilot program to see how we like having other backends voting | 16:22 |
| dansmith | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1428510113.778&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph.SUCCESS&from=-90days | 16:22 |
| mriedem | that's graphite on the ceph job going back to january | 16:22 |
| thingee | mriedem: thanks! | 16:22 |
| dansmith | or rather: | 16:22 |
| dansmith | http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1428510134.342&from=-90days&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph.SUCCESS&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph.FAILURE | 16:22 |
| clarkb | dansmith: you should add the failures too | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:22 |
| dansmith | clarkb: yeah | 16:22 |
| clarkb | dansmith: thats it | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I'm not totally opposed, as long as (a) the goal is to do this with other drivers too (b) we can turn off the voting easily if the job gets unstable | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | I thought we had decided no voting. It would only make querying maybe a little easier. | 16:22 |
| clarkb | dansmith: I was about to link something similar | 16:22 |
| dansmith | you can see that it just started failing, if you smooth out the noise | 16:22 |
| dansmith | that's 90 days | 16:22 |
| Swanson | It would be nice if, when CI's vote, that recheck <ci> would not recheck jenkins. | 16:22 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: that was in oct 15 for now, is where we left off..until things are more stable | 16:23 |
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| mriedem | DuncanT: turning off voting is easy | 16:23 |
| mriedem | it's a 1 line change to project-config | 16:23 |
| mriedem | and if the job is breaking, there will be 3 projects looking to fix it | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | thingee: If the plan is not to allow other stable CIs to also vote with similar criteria for stability (whatever we pick), then I'm very much opposed | 16:23 |
| thingee | smcginnis: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#When_thirdparty_CI_voting_will_be_required.3F | 16:23 |
| clarkb | DuncanT: iirc there are at least 2 other drivers in the process of doing this | 16:23 |
| clarkb | sheepdog and gluster | 16:23 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think that would be the goal eventually to allow others. That's the point of this discussion | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT: it's just we talked about this on Oct 15th when we had maybe three CI's? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#When_thirdparty_CI_voting_will_be_required.3F | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT: now we have more and some are doing pretty ok IMO | 16:24 |
| clarkb | where this is follwing along in ceph's testing footsteps | 16:24 |
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| thingee | not perfect yet. | 16:24 |
| thingee | I just think we need to start somewhere | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | We have to try adding voting somewhere. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: :-) | 16:25 |
| thingee | and I think a community driven driver is a good start | 16:25 |
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| e0ne | thingee: +1 | 16:25 |
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| thingee | but people have to see the value in CI's eventually voting. | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | If the plan is to add more, I'm not so opposed... | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | This is being raised up as a good starting point with good benefits. If we enable it and it screws us over, then we can disable it. | 16:26 |
| thingee | So one thing being opposed to drivers for me is we have around 45 drivers (counting all supported protocols) | 16:26 |
| thingee | there is going to be a lot of rechecks if everyone starts to vote | 16:26 |
| avishay | thingee: good point | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Yikes | 16:26 |
| dansmith | the only ones that can vote are the ones in infra anyway right? | 16:27 |
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| cebruns | With infra/comm supporting it - it seems like a good prototype/beginning. | 16:27 |
| mriedem | the only ones that can gate are in infra too | 16:27 |
| dansmith | most of those 45 are 3rd party, uncontrolled, unsupervised | 16:27 |
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| mriedem | third party ci can't gate | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I think a better goal is to have voting from a stable representation of the the backend types. | 16:27 |
| thingee | dansmith: well that's what will start pissing people off here :) | 16:27 |
| dansmith | thingee: it's a decree outside the scope of this group or conversation, I think | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | We can't hold this up on whether everyone can vote. | 16:27 |
| mriedem | infra isn't going to run a storwize backend | 16:27 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: agreed | 16:27 |
| mriedem | so let's not wait for that | 16:27 |
| thingee | mriedem: that's not the point | 16:28 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: what does "stable representation of the the backend types" mean? | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I believe infra are, in principle, happy to host any open-source solution CI? | 16:28 |
| thingee | mriedem: storwize is hosted offsite | 16:28 |
| thingee | mriedem: the point is if it can vote | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I guess as a pilot to see how things go Ceph would be a good starting point, especially given it's level of usage. | 16:28 |
| dansmith | thingee: right, and infra has said it can't right? | 16:28 |
| mriedem | thingee: yeah, i know, but i don't want people thinking it's unfair that infra doesn't host everything | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | We have block covered right now with LVM. Add in a shared filesystem with ceph if that is what users are using. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Continue to readdress. | 16:28 |
| thingee | dansmith: infra left it up to the cinder group | 16:28 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: right | 16:28 |
| mriedem | avishay: i take that to mean we should have at least one backend testing shared storage in the gate | 16:28 |
| mriedem | since nova doesn't have that today | 16:28 |
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| thingee | dansmith: re the convo from last year october | 16:28 |
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| mriedem | the ceph job is already there | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: +1 | 16:29 |
| dansmith | thingee: for check you mean, right? | 16:29 |
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| thingee | dansmith: yes | 16:29 |
| dansmith | thingee: I think they said, across the board, no non-infra things in gate, period | 16:29 |
| mriedem | yes | 16:29 |
| dansmith | gotcha, okay | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | I'd be happy if we agreed that any of the infra-hosted (i.e. open-source) cinder jobs will be eligable to vote in future, once they've proved stability | 16:29 |
| mriedem | clarkb: can confirm | 16:29 |
| dansmith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | And that we'll pull ceph (or any other voting project) if it proves to be a pain | 16:30 |
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| mriedem | DuncanT: i think that's the goal for all jobs that infra hosts which are non-voting today | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So much for a short meeting. :) | 16:30 |
| * thingee is kind of glad this and flip214's topic are the only things in this meeting :) | 16:30 | |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:30 |
| mriedem | e.g. cells is non-voting today, once we can get it passing we'll make it voting so we don't regress it | 16:30 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:30 |
| dansmith | sounds like we're arriving at the decision | 16:30 |
| avishay | +1 | 16:30 |
| thingee | dansmith: I hope so | 16:30 |
| thingee | :) | 16:30 |
| dansmith | but I was ready for so much arguing! | 16:30 |
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| thingee | dansmith: this is cinder :) | 16:31 |
| dansmith | paint it red! | 16:31 |
| hemna | why argue, when everyone can just say no. | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | lol | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | Ok. Somebody minute that and I'll stop objecting | 16:31 |
| avishay | hemna: we argue even when everyone says yes | 16:31 |
| hemna | avishay, yah this is true. | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay: No we don't! | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:31 |
| thingee | #agreed infra-hosted open-source cinder jobs will be eligable to vote in future once they've proved stable | 16:31 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: :) | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | Thanks | 16:32 |
| avishay | i'm good with this decision | 16:32 |
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| thingee | #agreed we'll start with Ceph having voting in Cinder/glance/nova | 16:32 |
| erlon | thingee: so, the criteria will be the one DuncanT said? | 16:32 |
| eikke | next up:: define 'stable' | 16:32 |
| thingee | dansmith mriedem thanks for your time | 16:32 |
| hemna | yah | 16:32 |
| thingee | clarkb: you too | 16:32 |
| thingee | mtreinish: and you! | 16:32 |
| hemna | I was going to say, we need agreed upon criteria for 'stable' | 16:32 |
| hemna | bleh | 16:32 |
| dansmith | thingee: glad to, thanks | 16:32 |
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| erlon | hemna: yep | 16:33 |
| * jungleboyj thinks this is good. Thanks mriedem dane_leblanc | 16:33 | |
| hemna | doesn't break any more than jenkins? | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | dansmith: Thanks for sticking with the discussion 'til it got somewhere | 16:33 |
| thingee | #topic How to determine a CI is stable | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | Doh, dansmith was what I meant. | 16:33 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: I figured :) | 16:33 |
| avishay | no need to define everything - when it's stable we'll know it | 16:33 |
| thingee | mriedem, dansmith if you want to help with this topic too :) | 16:33 |
| mriedem | if a job is consistently breaking the gate and no one is stepping up to fix it, then it's made non-voting | 16:33 |
| mriedem | that's why we made cells non-voting the last time | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Knew you would come around. ;-) | 16:33 |
| thingee | mriedem: but how do we eventually graduate a ci | 16:34 |
| dansmith | thingee: so, I don't have the graphite fu to smooth that graph, | 16:34 |
| dansmith | thingee: but it looks to me like it was stable for about 90 days before the recent breakage | 16:34 |
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| mriedem | thingee: to voting? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | 30 days of less than N jenkins disagreements in a row is a nice high bar | 16:34 |
| thingee | mriedem: yes, we infra hosted ci's will be graduated to voting | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | And measurable, which is important IMO | 16:35 |
| mriedem | thingee: based on graphite data i suppose | 16:35 |
| mriedem | there isn't really a standard for this somewhere that i know of | 16:35 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think we would want to review the negatives to see if they are real. might be a bit time consuming though | 16:35 |
| mriedem | if we have a job that we care about working, we make sure it's working and votiing | 16:35 |
| dansmith | thingee: DuncanT http://goo.gl/BUotuv | 16:35 |
| thingee | mriedem: I guess the point of this conversation is how are we determining the ceph ci is stable enough. sounds like 90 days of being stable? :P | 16:36 |
| dansmith | that ^ shows that it pretty much tracks jenkins I think | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | And measurable, which is important IMO | 16:36 |
| avishay | i don't think we need to set rules in stone...when something is stable, it's pretty obvious...when it's more trouble than it's worth, that's obvious too | 16:36 |
| mriedem | avishay: +1 | 16:36 |
| erlon | DuncanT: 3 days of disagreements would revoke it? | 16:36 |
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| mriedem | and yeah, from the graph that dansmith linked, you can see around 4/2 it goes nuts | 16:36 |
| deepakcs | Is there a way for jenkins to notify the CI owner only if the job fails. For eg: if job was doing fine for 90 days and breaks later, it would be good to have a email notifucation ? | 16:36 |
| mriedem | which is when test_volume_boot_pattern was unskipped | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | erlon: some number like that and somebody can at least nominate it for removal | 16:36 |
| mriedem | deepakcs: this isn't third party | 16:37 |
| erlon | DuncanT: +1 | 16:37 |
| mriedem | deepakcs: as in the community owns it | 16:37 |
| deepakcs | mriedem, how is that related to sending email notification or not ? | 16:37 |
| mriedem | who are you going to send it to? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | Same with nomination... once a CI meets the criteria, somebody can nominate it. The person(s) nominating it can filter out real failures if they are so motivated | 16:37 |
| thingee | I'm fine with going to 30 days for now. | 16:37 |
| thingee | just because no one else is strong on a number | 16:38 |
| deepakcs | mriedem, for glusterfs say it would be me or BharatK , for ceph it would be jbernard | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | The point being a highly motivated sponsor is a good thing initially | 16:38 |
| mriedem | yeah idk, that seems like unnecessary noise - if it's pissing people off, bring it up in irc or meetings | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
| dansmith | mriedem: +1 | 16:38 |
| mriedem | you can always push a project-config patch to make it non-voting | 16:38 |
| dansmith | it's a constant job, not just reacting when there is an email notification | 16:39 |
| mriedem | if we killed CI after 3 bad days, jenkins would be dead http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 16:39 |
| deepakcs | dansmith, yes, but email would be good to filter failure from sucess, esp when there is 1 failure in many successess, i feel | 16:39 |
| mriedem | and neutron wouldn't be in the gate until about 9 months ago | 16:39 |
| mriedem | :) | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: :-) | 16:39 |
| mriedem | deepakcs: we're talking about thousands of jobs | 16:39 |
| dansmith | deepakcs: well, you have access to the data to generate your own notifications | 16:39 |
| thingee | #idea 30 days for infra hosted ci's to be stable - any falures will be reviewed | 16:40 |
| dansmith | anyway, this is off-topic | 16:40 |
| thingee | :) | 16:40 |
| mriedem | deepakcs: we can track this all with elastic-recheck | 16:40 |
| mriedem | if the top gate bug is for a specific job, e.g. ceph | 16:40 |
| thingee | we can revise this later | 16:40 |
| deepakcs | mriedem, dansmith sure | 16:40 |
| mriedem | then we kick someone's ass or make it non-voting | 16:40 |
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| thingee | just want to get people to agree on something so we can move on | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | mriedem: Disagreeing with jenkins has always been the interesting metric for me.... | 16:40 |
| patrickeast | thingee: +1 sounds like a good starting point to me | 16:40 |
| * thingee waits for people to oppose | 16:40 | |
| dansmith | DuncanT: sometimes that's useful, other times not :P | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | +1 to start | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | +1 from me | 16:40 |
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| jbernard | +1 from me | 16:41 |
| dansmith | thingee: so the above implies we're good with the ceph proposal? | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | +1 for me too, see how it works out | 16:41 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we need to be careful on disagrees | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | dansmith: I believe so | 16:41 |
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| thingee | dansmith: ceph ci seems fine given the situation. no need to wait another 30 days | 16:41 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:41 |
| dansmith | sweet | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: It's just a point where we start to poke, not where we pull it. An alert point | 16:41 |
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| mriedem | the unofficial metric is sdague's rage gauge in the ML | 16:41 |
| avishay | that's fine, but again, it might fail a little, then be fixed, etc. no rule will cover everything. we'll know when something sucks. | 16:41 |
| mriedem | on gate breaks | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | agreed, I think the 30 days is a future item. For Ceph we already see there is value here and past stability. | 16:42 |
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| thingee | #agree 30 days for infra hosted ci's to prove being stable - any failures will be reviewed | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: Rage gauge? | 16:42 |
| thingee | #agreed 30 days for infra hosted ci's to prove being stable - any failures will be reviewed | 16:42 |
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| mriedem | the patented sdague rage gauge (tm) | 16:42 |
| thingee | mriedem, dansmith again thanks | 16:42 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:42 |
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| thingee | flip214: hi | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | * crickets * :) | 16:43 |
| thingee | flip214: are | 16:43 |
| thingee | flip214: you | 16:43 |
| thingee | flip214: ready? | 16:43 |
| thingee | :) | 16:43 |
| flip214 | thingee: yes | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | * chirp chirp chirp * | 16:43 |
| thingee | whew ok go ahead | 16:43 |
| flip214 | as you can probably guess, it's about the DRBD driver... | 16:44 |
| flip214 | the driver got renamed, like so many others. | 16:44 |
| flip214 | because of no CI. | 16:44 |
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| flip214 | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057585.html is Clarks reply to my "CI via infra for the DRBD Cinder driver" ML post | 16:44 |
| thingee | clarkb: ^ | 16:44 |
| flip214 | one of the gerrit links he posted is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121528/ | 16:44 |
| clarkb | flip214: thingee please read jeblairs followup though | 16:45 |
| flip214 | which still isn't merged. | 16:45 |
| clarkb | flip214: yes it hasn't merged because it hasn't been ap priority for the reasons in jeblairs followup | 16:45 |
| clarkb | flip214: it is also no a blocker | 16:45 |
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| flip214 | AFAIK these changes are *needed* to get a multi-node testing environment | 16:45 |
| thingee | flip214: I might do a cut today and there hasn't been time to let the ci run to verify things. | 16:45 |
| clarkb | flip214: no | 16:45 |
| flip214 | oh, it is not? | 16:45 |
| clarkb | flip214: no... | 16:45 |
| flip214 | okay. | 16:46 |
| clarkb | and even if it were I suggest getting a single node test running first | 16:46 |
| clarkb | against your devstack plugin | 16:46 |
| flip214 | so, things like the LVM driver with iSCSI support can already be tested? | 16:46 |
| clarkb | thats step 0 and aiui has not been started | 16:46 |
| flip214 | clarkb: yeah, that's the second point. | 16:46 |
| thingee | flip214: I remember talking to clarkb that it was recommended to not do a multi-node setup for now. | 16:46 |
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| thingee | flip214: after we spoke when i was closing kilo-3 | 16:46 |
| clarkb | yes, please set up a single node test against a devstack plugin that configures your driver | 16:46 |
| clarkb | then you can worry about multinode | 16:47 |
| flip214 | okay, that should be even easier. | 16:47 |
| clarkb | and potential zuul changes for voting (though this was discussed earlier and I don't think its that urgent) | 16:47 |
| flip214 | I'll try to talk to #infra tomorrow about that (it's 18:47 here) | 16:47 |
| thingee | flip214: keep in mind. I might do a cut today | 16:47 |
| thingee | for RC.. that would be it. | 16:47 |
| flip214 | my second point is that I'm trying to make devstack work for our development needs... | 16:48 |
| flip214 | thingee: there's no real chance that I can talk #infra into doing that in the next 3 hours, is there? | 16:48 |
| clarkb | flip214: doing what? | 16:48 |
| flip214 | and the 1-2 days I try to invest in devstack, every time something else breaks. | 16:48 |
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| flip214 | currently I get "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'url'" for the "python update.py /opt/stack/keystone" command... | 16:49 |
| thingee | flip214: might need to do a fresh vm | 16:49 |
| flip214 | clarkb: sorry, which of my sentences is your question about? | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | flip214: That's been fixed. | 16:49 |
| thingee | flip214: I was getting that too | 16:49 |
| clarkb | flip214: what are you looking for infra to do in the next 3 hours? | 16:49 |
| eikke | flip214: that should be fixed | 16:49 |
| flip214 | thingee: I'm *always* running a fresh vm. | 16:49 |
| flip214 | that's the point. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | flip214: I think that's because you have the clone set to no | 16:49 |
| flip214 | clarkb: running my devstack DRBD plugin to configure the DRBD driver. | 16:50 |
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| geguileo | Ok, then that's not it :( | 16:50 |
| clarkb | flip214: are those changes proposed to infra yet? | 16:50 |
| flip214 | clarkb: I talked to you, and then (yes, my fault) waited for the reviews to get merged. | 16:50 |
| flip214 | I've got a git tree in https://github.com/LINBIT/devstack | 16:50 |
| flip214 | but nothing pushed against gerrit yet. | 16:51 |
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| clarkb | yes we need it in gerrit | 16:51 |
| flip214 | although the change is minimal. | 16:51 |
| clarkb | so likely won't happen in the next 3 hours | 16:51 |
| thingee | ok I think some of this can be taken to #openstack-infra | 16:51 |
| flip214 | so reviewing should take only a few minutes | 16:51 |
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| flip214 | thingee: okay, I'll move to there. time's up anyway. | 16:51 |
| thingee | flip214: looking forward to hearing the story you mentioned when we meet up at the summit | 16:52 |
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| thingee | anyone else have a topic before I close the meeting? | 16:52 |
| asselin_ | this bug might be affecting others: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1440227 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440227 in tempest "encrypted volume tests don't check if a volume is actually encrypted" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
| flip214 | thingee: thanks. | 16:52 |
| thingee | oh and I just wanted to mention to folks here, don't post to the ML about your CI results. anteaya has had to talk to some of you. | 16:53 |
| * jungleboyj looks sheepish | 16:53 | |
| thingee | feel free to bug us on #openstack-cinder. this just doesn't work well with everyone's CI. it starts a tend and then it comes in masses | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: On that note, the DS8k CI has been fixed. | 16:54 |
| asselin_ | take a look and see if your driver is (incorrectly) passing that test | 16:54 |
| thingee | I'll have something more formal in the wiki about this later. just didn't have time yet. apologies anteaya | 16:54 |
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| thingee | and yes please review the bug asselin_ mentioned https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1440227 | 16:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440227 in tempest "encrypted volume tests don't check if a volume is actually encrypted" [Undecided,New] | 16:54 |
| thingee | with your driver | 16:54 |
| thingee | mtreinish: ^ | 16:55 |
| thingee | anything else? | 16:55 |
| * thingee has to catch a plane | 16:55 | |
| thingee | annnnnnd we're done, I'll be at pycon the rest of this week and here and there doing reviews. | 16:55 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 16:55:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-08-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-08-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-08-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:55 |
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| tjones1 | #start-meeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | anyone around? | 17:00 |
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| thangp | o/ | 17:01 |
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| thangp | quite today | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | yeah | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | i haven't run this meeting in so long i forgot the syntax to start it ;-) | 17:01 |
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| thangp | lol | 17:01 |
| thangp | #start? | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | startmeeting | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | with a # | 17:02 |
| thangp | ok | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs for kilo | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | so thangp your https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142174/ got a +2 from sean… but no one else (and lost it on rebase). Want to ping the cores again about it? rc1 came out yesterday, so im thinking it may not make it... | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | so close.... | 17:03 |
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| thangp | i dont think it will make it | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | just 1 more +2.... | 17:04 |
| thangp | it's not so important to push it into rc1 | 17:04 |
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| thangp | i'm not sure what the bar is to land in rc2 | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | me either - if i were thierry since it is not breaking existing functionality i would push it to L | 17:05 |
| thangp | yeah, my thinking too | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | and since't it | 17:05 |
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| tjones1 | is new really it probably can't backport | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | which is a bummer | 17:05 |
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| thangp | :) we'll get it in by L (i hope) | 17:06 |
| sabari | Hi all | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | im adding it to our L tracker | 17:06 |
| thangp | ok thx | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | #topic liberty focus | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmwareapi-liberty | 17:07 |
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| sabari | Glance is not yet open for L. But I need to start drafting the specs. | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | we have 3 topics for the summit. Hypervisor id, shared datastore in the scheduler, and vcenter passwords. | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | sabari: will you be proposing the vc bypass in the glance meetings? | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | and anything about image introspection in glance? | 17:09 |
| sabari | tjones1: yeah, I will be proposing them during the summit. | 17:10 |
| sabari | but the specs will be done before that | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | can you add those to the section on the top so we can track that? | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | under summit topics | 17:10 |
| sabari | tjones1: Sure. | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | hehe - we are both doing it. i'll stop | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | anyone here for cinder or neutron? | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | don't think so, but just checking | 17:11 |
| sabari | tjones1: haha yeah, I added that | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | thangp: do you have anything new you want to tackle for liberty? | 17:12 |
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| thangp | tjones1: nothing in mind... I have cinder objects to finish up, and it's going to take most of my time | 17:12 |
| thangp | tjones1: I like to see live-upgrades for cinder :) | 17:13 |
| tjones1 | we can talk about cinder stuff here - not just for nova any more ;-) | 17:13 |
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| tjones1 | i'd like to see that too ;-) | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | #topic open discussion | 17:15 |
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| tjones1 | anything else you guys want to discuss? | 17:15 |
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| thangp | nothing here :) | 17:16 |
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| tjones1 | ok we are done | 17:19 |
| tjones1 | thanks guys | 17:19 |
| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 17:19:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-04-08-17.00.html | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-04-08-17.00.txt | 17:19 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 18:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:01 |
| sarob | anyone here | 18:02 |
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| sarob | nothing new to report for this week | 18:03 |
| annegentle | hey sarob | 18:03 |
| sarob | annegentle: hey | 18:03 |
| annegentle | I was just going to bug to review the rest of your docs-specs was all :) | 18:03 |
| sarob | ah, right | 18:03 |
| sarob | i am getting a few new hires | 18:03 |
| sarob | over the next weeks | 18:04 |
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| sarob | they are going to help with training stuff | 18:04 |
| sarob | as part of akanda training | 18:04 |
| annegentle | nice | 18:04 |
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| sarob | spec, slides, the works | 18:05 |
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| sarob | its heaven | 18:05 |
| sarob | best job switch so far | 18:05 |
| annegentle | w00t | 18:06 |
| sarob | ill review our outstanding specs today | 18:07 |
| annegentle | great | 18:07 |
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| sarob | im going to bounce | 18:07 |
| sarob | have a great day | 18:07 |
| annegentle | you too | 18:07 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 18:08:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-08-18.01.html | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-08-18.01.txt | 18:08 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
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| jrichli | yo | 19:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 19:01 |
| acoles | hello | 19:01 |
| ho | hi | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| peluse | howdy | 19:01 |
| cschwede | hello | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | agenda for thsi week is at | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | two big things to talk about: EC and the summit | 19:02 |
| notmyname | so let's go for EC first | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status update | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC status update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/ec_review+topic:bp/swift-ec,n,z | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | those are the ec_review patches | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | looks like there have been a lot of reviews, including some of them approved! | 19:02 |
| notmyname | yay | 19:03 |
| notmyname | clayg has been driving this train, but he was out yesterday | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | I expect another push of the patch chain to address comments today | 19:03 |
| peluse | awesome | 19:03 |
| clayg | i was *mostly* out on Monday too - but I'm back in full swing now | 19:03 |
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| peluse | watch out! | 19:03 |
| clayg | w | 19:03 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so as for "things to do", clayg anything specifc we should be looking at? | 19:04 |
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| peluse | just the comments :) | 19:04 |
| peluse | what are we doing with multi range GET? | 19:04 |
| clayg | ^ that maybe, or the versioned writes/copy middleware extractin | 19:05 |
| notmyname | both of those would be nice to get in, if possible (ie if the rest is reviewed, go check those out) | 19:05 |
| clayg | someone had commented about the policy handling in the proxy and how much better a bunch of stuff would be if policy was a controller attribute - but that way lies dragons until we get those extractions in place | 19:05 |
| cutforth | hello | 19:06 |
| notmyname | clayg: you had a comment this weekend I think that seemd to have you worried. is everythign ok? or was something found that is troubling? | 19:06 |
| clayg | I tried it - and it's great! except it doesn't work. There's another patch something to do with iter_nodes (per policy sort method?) | 19:06 |
| * notmyname doesn't rememebr the details | 19:06 | |
| clayg | comes to the same conclusion - but we need to get the other things done first | 19:06 |
| clayg | notmyname: a bunch of probetests were broke on friday night if you had a default ec policy | 19:07 |
| notmyname | hmm..ok | 19:07 |
| clayg | notmyname: I don't think they *ever* worked with that setup (I know functests *did*) - but I didn't go back to feature/ec and verify - because it was simple enough just to fix the probe tests | 19:07 |
| peluse | whats the status on those now? need some of us to dig in? | 19:07 |
| clayg | no - they should all work | 19:07 |
| notmyname | nice | 19:08 |
| clayg | if anyone seems any failures on probes after the end of the chain (intermittent or otherwise) - please engage in channel - they should all work and work reliably | 19:08 |
| notmyname | so what I hearing is that we're in pretty good shape right now. does everyone agree? | 19:08 |
| peluse | same opinion here | 19:09 |
| clayg | just all the slew of comments of stuff I need to fix - but I'm all over that - thank you guys for having faith in me! | 19:09 |
| notmyname | keep reviewing. don't hesitate to leave a review. if you're the 2nd +2, then do a +A | 19:09 |
| notmyname | now, as to the schedule of things... | 19:09 |
| peluse | there's a few things we need to circle back on w/Trello, I'll do that after the next push | 19:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: there's some cleanup in the reconstructor wrt to jobs that I've been chipping away at - may also come in tonight | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:09 |
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| clayg | I have a plan to directly address acoles concerns about cleanup in the revert case - and the timing on the unlinks in purge | 19:09 |
| notmyname | what's the likelyhood of having the ec_review patch all approved by EOD friday? (US West EOD) | 19:09 |
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| clayg | ... but he hasn't seen it yet - he may think i'm full of it | 19:10 |
| * peluse forgets what day today is | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | clayg: acoles: I trust you guys on that :-) | 19:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: maybe ~50% - I think monday or tuesday would be the next most likely contender | 19:10 |
| notmyname | ya, I've been thinking the same in the back of my mind | 19:11 |
| clayg | there's a bunch of stuff that people have found that I should clean up - then people will need time to review my changes to address their comments | 19:11 |
| notmyname | which I think is ok, but it does cut into our time for a 2nd RC | 19:11 |
| clayg | also, there's some final changes to the reconstructor that haven't been written yet - but it's still mostly cleanup and efficieny - good changes - but code that folks haven't seen yet nonetheless | 19:11 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:11 |
| peluse | notmyname, maybe you should buy clayg a nice bottle of scotch :) | 19:11 |
| notmyname | when will we see it? | 19:11 |
| clayg | I think it cirtainly *could* get all done thurday and friday - but people shouldn't feel rushed if they find something else that we should fix | 19:12 |
| notmyname | peluse: oh, I'm sure I should ;-) | 19:12 |
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| clayg | i'm going to work on it today and tonight | 19:12 |
| clayg | it will be done tonight along with the rebase from the fixups unless I get sucked into a rabbit hole trying to address some "it would be nice if..." comment ;) | 19:12 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:12 |
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| peluse | clayg, let me know if/how I can help | 19:13 |
| * clayg looks at "just always use a list for except status in FakeConn" | 19:13 | |
| acoles | clayg: sorry for that rabbit hole | 19:13 |
| notmyname | does anyone have any questions on ec? or more we need to discuss about it here in the meeting? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on then | 19:14 |
| clayg | the big rabbit hole is the "attach policy to controllers as attribute" - luckily there I know that although it would be great - it's a disaster - so I don't even have to attempt it (again) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | #topic other stuff in the 2.3.0 (for kilo) release | 19:14 |
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| clayg | there was also a TODO in diskfile that mattoliverau asked if we could do now - but I don't think we should | 19:14 |
| notmyname | so other stuff that could land on master that shoudl be in this release | 19:14 |
| clayg | some cleanup refactoring that looks better in review as it is - but will be better in the long run when cleaned out | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | (remember we've got a soft freeze on master right now to help with the ec_review process) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | but there are a few patches to master that are starred and listed on.. | 19:15 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | and _several_ in the "needs final review" section | 19:16 |
| notmyname | those would be great things to look at | 19:16 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname, clayg: just to clarify...clayg suggest people looking at obj. versioning next, are we still trying to get that in kilo? | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: the versioning middleware? | 19:17 |
| tdasilva | y | 19:17 |
| cschwede | i think we should wait with merging anything outside of EC until the feature-branch landed on master? | 19:17 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yes | 19:17 |
| notmyname | +100 | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: no, I don't think versioning middleware will be in kilo | 19:17 |
| cschwede | ok, i was just wondering about reviewing other patches atm | 19:17 |
| tdasilva | ok, just wanted to make sure, thanks | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: definitely review them. and bonus points if you check to see if they conflict with anything in ec_review. but don't approve it yet | 19:18 |
| notmyname | I'm thinking that after ec_review lands, then we can also land all the pending stuff to master | 19:18 |
| notmyname | eg one simple thing will be the authors/changelog patch. I'll be pushing that up before monday | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | also, I'd like to reiterate that I've never seen such a big feature in swift have such a whole-team effort before. it's been really great to see everyone come together for the EC work. thanks :-) | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | everyone who is writing code and reviewing patches for it is helping out in a very important way | 19:20 |
| peluse | it has been awesome for sure | 19:20 |
| peluse | and thanks tdasilva for jumping on docs with me as well! | 19:21 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up about code patches for ec or for master? (before we move on to summit planning) | 19:21 |
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| clayg | notmyname: just to reiterate that dpending on how much time people have on thursday and friday... | 19:22 |
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| clayg | notmyname: ... we may seriously have to consider that we might not cut the RC until early next week | 19:22 |
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| clayg | if everything comes up spades tomorrow and friday in rewviews we might get lucky - but... I'm really not sure it's much better than 50/50? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ack. it's not ideal, but that's ok | 19:23 |
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| clayg | not the end of the world, but I think it's worth a day or two to get everyhting where we want it | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | yes, I agree | 19:23 |
| peluse | ditto | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #topic summit planning | 19:23 |
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| clayg | OTOH, ya'll make sure you've got time to review tomorrow and friday and we'll be FINE! :P | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ok, vancouver | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the summit is coming up, and I've been seeing a lot of questions about "what are we doing" and "what's the schedule" | 19:24 |
| peluse | what summit? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I expect to hear from ttx on friday what our room assignments will be | 19:24 |
| notmyname | it looks likely that we'll get our 6 "fishbowl" sessions and we'll get 8 or 10 of our requested 12 "working sessions". (if we're lucky, all 12) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | here's the difference: | 19:25 |
| notmyname | fishbowl sessions are larger and more of what we've had in the past: larger room, lecture style, conversation yes, but more with a single presenter | 19:25 |
| notmyname | fishbowl sessions also have a specific name on the schedule | 19:26 |
| notmyname | working sessions are a little different | 19:26 |
| notmyname | they are a smaller room and their title on the schedule is "swift working session" and they are going to be much more like the hackathons we've had | 19:26 |
| notmyname | so imagine a closed off room where we can have a talk about a specific topic, but one that's much more of a discussion and reasoning about code | 19:27 |
| notmyname | so a fishbowl session might be about a review of the EC stuff. and a working session might be about some details around how to build the encryption stuff or fast post or large contianers | 19:28 |
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| torgomatic | that'll be nice; it's always awkward trying to discuss code while there's like 50 people sitting and staring at you | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | and then on friday at the summit we'll have a "meetup/sprint" just like last time in paris. big ad-hoc discussions for whatever | 19:28 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ya, I think it sounds really good | 19:28 |
| notmyname | so, here's what we have to do: | 19:28 |
| notmyname | we need to plan what the fishbowl and working sessions are going to be. what are the topics and who's leading them? | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | most of the other projects are coordinating this via etherpads | 19:29 |
| notmyname | which is what we did last time | 19:29 |
| notmyname | does anyone have objections to us doing that again this time? | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | if we agree on that, then I'll put together a template today and make it available | 19:30 |
| peluse | we oughtta do EC like "a panel" kinda thing for tech Q&A | 19:30 |
| notmyname | peluse: not a bad idea | 19:30 |
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| mattoliverau | Shall we do what we did last summit, make a list of topics people want to talk./hear about. then decide on where to place them? so etherpads.. +1 EC should be a fish bowl. | 19:30 |
| acoles | notmyname: etherpad is ok to gather the ideas for sessions | 19:31 |
| peluse | yup | 19:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yup. exactly. we'll coordinate both on the same etherpad | 19:31 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 19:31 |
| notmyname | #action notmyname to build the session scheduling etherpad template | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | I'll build that and put it in the -swift channel and the topic message there | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 19:32 |
| notmyname | any other questions about the summit? | 19:32 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | anything else? | 19:32 |
| notmyname | I wanted to mention http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060886.html | 19:32 |
| mattoliverau | Ops session and EC as fish bowls so people can come, hear and ask questions. (initally I think) | 19:32 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, chris was awesome, I'll miss him. | 19:33 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: actually it's better than that (for the ops sessions) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | the sched this year will allow a session to be placed in multiple tracks. so we can have an ops session ont he swift track and vice versa. should really help with attendance for those sessions | 19:33 |
| mattoliverau | Sorry if I wasn't very vocal in channel yest, I was reviewing but the news didn't make me very talkative. | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: understandable. I'm sorry for your loss | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | is there anythign else to bring up this week in the meeting? if not I propose we adjourn | 19:34 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for coming. and thanks for working on swift | 19:35 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 19:35:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-08-19.00.html | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-08-19.00.txt | 19:35 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | .... meeting bot .... | 20:04 |
| skraynev | where are you ... | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | great | 20:04 |
| skraynev | why do it happen? | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | ok, well let | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | ok, well let plough on | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | anyone around? | 20:04 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:04 |
| jruano | hi | 20:04 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | not much on there today | 20:04 |
| shardy | hi all | 20:04 |
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| skraynev | o/ | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 20:04:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:04:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-08-20.04.html | 20:04 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-08-20.04.log.html | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 20:04:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:04 |
| skraynev | he awake! | 20:05 |
| tspatzier | woohoo, the bot is back ;-) | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | dang, that's slow | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | hi stevebaker | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Any critical bugs (rc2 potential) | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any critical bugs (rc2 potential) (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:05 | |
| spzala | Hi | 20:05 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: makes bot alive!!! | 20:05 |
| skraynev | :) | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | you're welcome | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 20:06 |
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| asalkeld | if there are any critical bugs we need to backport them | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | (to kilo) | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | i don't see anything yet | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: can we just backport anything which is Fix Committed? | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | shrug, I guess | 20:07 |
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| msly | I just joined the meeting... this bug kind of affect heat's ability to autoscale.. what do you guys think? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1421584 | 20:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421584 in Ceilometer "cpu_util volume won't report right for cpu over commit case" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Ilya Tyaptin (ityaptin) | 20:09 |
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| prazumovsky | hi all | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | hi prazumovsky | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | looking msly | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | so are ceilometer going to fix that? | 20:10 |
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| asalkeld | shardy: have you any important bugs to fix from tripelO? | 20:12 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Nothing specific to heat atm AFAIK | 20:13 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 20:13 |
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| msly | asalkeld: I'm not sure if anyone is assigned or going to implement a new meter in ceilometer, but heat currently uses cpu_util from ceilometer to do its autoscaling and it's not going to work | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | msly: it sounds like it is not a heat bug though, we can only consume the metrics we're given | 20:13 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | should we have a meeting next week? asalkeld is away and I'll be asleep | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: you could do it at this time? | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | or ask someone in the EU to do it? | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | (or cancel) | 20:15 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I can do it if you decide not to cancel | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | ok thanks shardy | 20:16 |
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| shardy | happy to skip a week tho, if there's nothing on the agenda | 20:16 |
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| skraynev | I think that pas-ha and me be here too :) | 20:16 |
| skraynev | so there are 3 cores in meeting ;) | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | nice, we do have a quiet time for a week or 2 | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | until summit planning kicks in | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:17 |
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| asalkeld | mostly handy links ^ | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | and zaneb | 20:18 |
| shardy | speaking of reviews, stevebaker you had soms suggestions re review prioritization, care to share any more details on how we might go about that? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ohai | 20:18 |
| skraynev | zaneb: aloha | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb: you see that discussion about messaging the user on the ml? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | swift has a version of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews which is manually curated, so reviewers have a priority of what to review next. I wonder if we should try something like that, as long as someone volunteers to curate (like the PTL) | 20:19 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yes, I did | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | everything via notifications | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 20:20 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, yeah an etherpad with priorities per milestone would certainly be a good start | 20:20 |
| zaneb | that's not a terrible idea | 20:20 |
| zaneb | if it means there's one central implementation of how those get exposed to the user | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: or something semi automatic | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | it would help getting the convergence changes landing in the best order | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | we do have priorities in the bug | 20:21 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: +1 | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | or tags | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | manual list sounds tedious | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | (to keep up to date) | 20:22 |
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| shardy | should we consider some way of scrubbing (via WIP?) old inactive reviews? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: if it is too automatic then it might end up being just another gerrit dashboard with uncoordinated reviews | 20:23 |
| shardy | I for one still thing it's a shame we abandoned auto-abandon.. | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | i like auto abandon | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | else you get lots of old cruft | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | someone could just go through and manual-abandon with a nice message | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | that too | 20:24 |
| msly | just found out this morning, heat is no longer a default enabled service on devstack :( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169709/ | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | also maybe auto-abandon is a per-project decision. I'm not sure | 20:25 |
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| asalkeld | msly: that is mostly for the gate | 20:25 |
| shardy | msly: that's the "big tent" for you :\ | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | so tempest doesn't install heat when it doesn't need it | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | tho' not sure that saves much time | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | the commit message says its to save memory, seems reasonable. | 20:26 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: start testing out the manual review board if you want | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: but I was surprised too (spend half day by thinking where I am wrong with devstack) | 20:27 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yeah, to be fair, heat is a pretty bad memory hog under some circumstances | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: the gate has its own service enablement, so that is unrelated | 20:27 |
| zaneb | seems like if the problem is in the gate it should be fixed in the gate, not for everybody in devstack | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | its nothing to do with the gate | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | changing defaults is always fun for users | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | well i have nothing else, we can end early if you guys want | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | it would be aimed for people developing locally in a vm | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: do you mean heat standalone? | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev_: just peolpe that don't want heat | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | has anybody met failed to start heat-api on stack.sh run? | 20:30 |
| zaneb | skraynev: he means anyone who runs devstack in a VM | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: no, selecting a default service list which works in 4G of RAM | 20:30 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, yeah, on 4G RAM heat + Neutron + swift + Ceilo + others is already sloppy | 20:31 |
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| asalkeld | any new topics ... | 20:32 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: got it. agree default which eat all your resource is terrible | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | *resources | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | default services doesn't even include swift. It sucks that we're not default anymore but this seems reasonable | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: and do not forget tempest ;) and sahara | 20:32 |
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| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:33:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-08-20.04.html | 20:33 |
| pas-ha | skraynev_, I rarely install sahara on devstack, and tempest is not installed any more in full | 20:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-08-20.04.txt | 20:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-08-20.04.log.html | 20:33 |
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| skraynev_ | pas-ha: you are lucky man | 20:33 |
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| notmyname | stevebaker: I wasn't around in your meeting, but I'd be happy to talk to you about the priority reviews thing we do in swift | 21:38 |
| stevebaker | notmyname: that would be very useful. its an etherpad? | 21:39 |
| notmyname | stevebaker: what channel? or I could do skype/whatever | 21:39 |
| notmyname | (probably not her ein the meeting channel) | 21:39 |
| stevebaker | how about #heat | 21:39 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 23:01:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:01 |
| sarob | Roll call | 23:01 |
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| sarob | Roll call for product meeting | 23:04 |
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| sarob | Okay. | 23:06 |
| sarob | For the record | 23:06 |
| sarob | The community track signups should be available soon | 23:07 |
| sarob | We will defer til next meeting for progress reports | 23:07 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 23:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 23:07:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-08-23.01.html | 23:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-08-23.01.txt | 23:07 |
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