| sarob | shamail: +1 | 00:00 |
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| Rockyg | OOoh, the ilities are good tags to consider | 00:00 |
| sarob | theme is a feature that many verticals have in common | 00:00 |
| barrett1 | I'll take a pass at editing the work flow per the discussion here and sending out the project matrix | 00:00 |
| sarob | cool | 00:00 |
| sarob | good place to stop | 00:00 |
| sarob | be active on the ML my friends | 00:00 |
| barrett1 | I have updated a slideware version of the roadmap too - could use comments/edits on that | 00:00 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 00:01 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 00:01 |
| Shamail | Look forward to the matrix carol! | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 00:01:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-18-23.01.html | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-18-23.01.txt | 00:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-18-23.01.log.html | 00:01 |
| Shamail | Take care everyone! | 00:01 |
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| barrett1 | Bye | 00:01 |
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| Rockyg | ttfn | 00:02 |
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| ujuc | hi | 08:01 |
| Daisy_ | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 08:01:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:01 |
| Daisy_ | Good afternoon, ujuc | 08:01 |
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| Daisy_ | I see Korean translations have very good progress. | 08:02 |
| ujuc | Hi :) Daisy_ :) | 08:02 |
| ujuc | yaya :)) | 08:02 |
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| Daisy_ | Today we have only 1 topic. | 08:02 |
| epico | Hi | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2015-March/000992.html | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | #topic Kick off Kilo translations | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kick off Kilo translations (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:03 | |
| ujuc | hi epico :) | 08:03 |
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| Daisy_ | I have sent an email to our ML. | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | just now | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | I think you might not have time to read about it. | 08:04 |
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| Daisy_ | Just a few explanations here. | 08:04 |
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| Daisy_ | The Kilo release date is April 30 | 08:05 |
| Daisy_ | We have to finish the translations a few days earlier. I think, April 20 might be a good day to cut. | 08:05 |
| Daisy_ | Horizon team is feature freeze now. | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | The string freeze would be in the first release candidate, that's around April 9. | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | We won't wait for the string freeze. | 08:06 |
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| Daisy_ | After feature freeze, there won't be a lot of strings changes. | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | So we start our translations from today. | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | 1 month left. | 08:07 |
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| Daisy_ | any questions? | 08:07 |
| amotoki | I would | 08:08 |
| Fdot | Hello Daisy_ sorry for being late :) | 08:08 |
| amotoki | like to request you check dajngo-openstakc-auth translation too. | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | It's all right, Fdot. | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: how to check ? | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | Fdot: please read through this email and see if you have questions: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2015-March/000992.html | 08:09 |
| jftalta | Hi all | 08:09 |
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| Daisy_ | Hi, jftalta . Welcome ! | 08:09 |
| amotoki | django-openstakc-auth is "OpenStack Dashboard Authentication " in Trasnsifex. | 08:09 |
| * Fdot is reading | 08:10 | |
| jftalta | Thanx Daisy ! | 08:10 |
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| Daisy_ | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/djangopo/ | 08:10 |
| amotoki | If you have any update, please update them first because freeze date of depending libraries is earlier. | 08:10 |
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| Fdot | Daisy_: yes :) | 08:10 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: I will let the team know about it. Thank you for the reminder. | 08:10 |
| amotoki | perhaps horizon team wil release another version of djanog-opnestack-auth for Kilo. | 08:10 |
| Fdot | Daisy_: let's translate Horizon \o/ | 08:11 |
| amotoki | In addition, after the feature freeze, we find not a small number of string bugs, so strigns may be changed. | 08:11 |
| Daisy_ | django-openstakc-auth is the first priority, right? amotoki | 08:11 |
| Daisy_ | understand. | 08:11 |
| Daisy_ | That's acceptable. | 08:11 |
| jftalta | I guess 1 month will be enough for the french team. | 08:11 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: hopefully so. django-openstack-auth (d-o-a) have small changes in kilo, so it must be easy. | 08:12 |
| amotoki | please report string bugs to Horizon if you find any. | 08:12 |
| Daisy_ | I guess if 10 people work together, 1 month will be enough to translate horizon from scratch. | 08:12 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: is the pseudo translation test working now ? | 08:13 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: not sure | 08:13 |
| Daisy_ | not sure? | 08:13 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: I have never tried it. | 08:13 |
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| Daisy_ | so there is no test to check whether strings are marked with _() ? | 08:13 |
| Daisy_ | there might be some missed strings, then ? | 08:14 |
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| Daisy_ | Let me ask Dough Fish then. | 08:14 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: yes. we mihgt have some such strings. | 08:14 |
| Daisy_ | ok. got it. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy_ | Then the translators need to do a more careful check. | 08:14 |
| amotoki | Anyway check of pseudo translaiton needs to be done manually :-( | 08:15 |
| Daisy_ | I know. | 08:15 |
| Daisy_ | manually done is better than "no way". | 08:15 |
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| epico | https://code.google.com/p/pseudolocalization-tool/ | 08:15 |
| epico | just FYI. | 08:15 |
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| Daisy_ | Thank you, epico. | 08:16 |
| epico | Welcome, Daisy_ | 08:17 |
| Daisy_ | Any questions/comments to Hrizon translation ? | 08:17 |
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| Daisy_ | if no, let's go to open discussions. | 08:18 |
| Daisy_ | #topic Open discussions | 08:18 |
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| Daisy_ | In Vancouver summit, I plan to get another time slot for translators meet up. | 08:19 |
| Daisy_ | if you have chance to go there, please join the meet up. | 08:19 |
| ianychoi | Hello. I am reading meeting notes : ) | 08:21 |
| Daisy_ | Hi, ianychoi | 08:21 |
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| jftalta | Translators meetup is a ood idea. The one in Paris was pleasant and useful | 08:22 |
| jftalta | Good* | 08:23 |
| Daisy_ | Thank you, jftalta | 08:23 |
| Daisy_ | any topics to discuss ? | 08:24 |
| ujuc | no | 08:24 |
| Daisy_ | if no, I will close the meeting and give time back to you. | 08:24 |
| jftalta | No, not for me Daisy | 08:25 |
| ianychoi | no Thanks! | 08:25 |
| Daisy_ | I will be in the channel of #openstack-translation, and wait for any questions from you. | 08:25 |
| Daisy_ | Thank you all for attending. | 08:25 |
| Fdot | Thank you Daisy_ | 08:26 |
| Daisy_ | #endmeeting | 08:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 08:26:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-19-08.01.html | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-19-08.01.txt | 08:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-19-08.01.log.html | 08:27 |
| jftalta | Thanks Daisy. See you later. | 08:27 |
| Daisy_ | see you, jftalta | 08:27 |
| ujuc | :) see you later. | 08:27 |
| jftalta | Bye bye everyone. | 08:28 |
| ianychoi | Bye all! | 08:28 |
| epico | see you later. | 08:28 |
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| ujuc | :) | 08:29 |
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| lxsli | o/ | 13:56 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 14:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo release status | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so kilo-3 gets cut today | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and from the above wiki, it also describes the many freezes we hit | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | FeatureFreeze, DepFreeze, StringFreeze | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | Basically only bug fixes to be merged, and low risk tidy ups | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly no string changes, or new dependencies, etc | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any questions on that stuff? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | you suggested a small tune-up to my last patch | 14:03 |
| mriedem | there was one string change proposed, | 14:03 |
| edleafe | should stuff like that be included, or wait to L? | 14:03 |
| dims | o/ | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: we can probably merge that | 14:03 |
| n0ano | so any patches that are being reviewed now are deferred to L? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: treat it as a bug | 14:04 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: gotcha | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: well, any that violate one of the freeze should not be merged until L | 14:04 |
| n0ano | so if there's no string changes & no dependencies there's still time | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think there is a process of exceptions in the wiki, but we are still good till the end of the day I think | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: and no features, and no doc impact, yes, should be OK, assuming its also low ish risk | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: you had your hand up? | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: nevermind, it has 2 -1s now so ignorining | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: ah, no worries | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… does anyone have strong feelings on FFEs and the process? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is purely for patches that are a near miss for kilo-3 | 14:06 |
| flip214 | yes. but not productive ones. ;/ | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link policy changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150267/ | 14:07 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy: arrived late ;) | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i'm happy with actually sticking to FFE for k-3 | 14:07 |
| mriedem | and not making a bunch of exceptions | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | *FF | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link low risk migration feature: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154521/ | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so those are the only two big ones that seem like we might want to give them till Monday to merge | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | but wondering if there are any others? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | dansmith: any kilo-objects things left? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | the context removal stuff all got in | 14:08 |
| dansmith | mriedem: nope, not really | 14:08 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:08 |
| dansmith | I was hoping to bump object versions in kilo, | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | but we have to do that right before rc1 anyway | 14:09 |
| dansmith | and not sure it will make it since it's had no review | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: does giving time for those two patches above seem like the right thing to do? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | link? | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | oh to like instance object version 2.0? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: could you attach it to an RC1 bug, so we track it? | 14:09 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: riht | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can always drop it | 14:10 |
| lxsli | dansmith: I was hoping "use migration object in RT" would merge today | 14:10 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: on the migration one, is jerdfeldt going to respind with a fix for jaypipes' comment? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | something still unclear, what if a bugfix requires a String change ? | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: not sure he is awake yet to answer the question, and I have pinged him | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: that's described in the string freeze wiki | 14:11 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: okay | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: would be awesome if he could just fix it today so we can merge today | 14:11 |
| bauzas | mriedem: mmm, RTFD ok :) | 14:11 |
| mriedem | bauzas: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I am thinking we give those two patches till monday, assuming ttx is OK with that, and we go for zero other exceptions | 14:11 |
| mriedem | there is an exception process | 14:11 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: but yeah, that's the only one I'd want to slip | 14:11 |
| bauzas | mriedem: thanks | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: there was one other patch I noticed... | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150267/ | 14:11 |
| mriedem | the api policy one has a lot of changes let | 14:11 |
| mriedem | *left | 14:11 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-policy,n,z | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so given most of those are backwards compatible I think we can defer it | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | I dunno, how important is that? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | there are more than that too https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Alex+Xu%22+status:open,n,z | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: the missing policy stuff would just be additions | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yes, the left all about db call | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so I was thinking the only one we NEED for kilo is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150267/ | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: agree | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | lxsli: I'm unsure we can merge PaulMurray's patches by today... | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: OK, cool, is that generally true for all the API work, it seems that way, the other bits are unit tests | 14:13 |
| lxsli | bauzas: doesn't need PaulMurray's patches | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | that one rename all the rule name v2.1, if we change that before someone begin to use it, it will be easy for future | 14:13 |
| bauzas | lxsli: ack | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: bauzas: I am about to defer that all to liberty at this point, it looks too far away right now | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: right, it saves us having to keep the old names for compatibility, etc | 14:14 |
| lxsli | johnthetubaguy: My patch has been ready to go for a couple of weeks, sahid's patch I was dependent on merged last week, just need some reviewer attention I think | 14:14 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, PaulMurray 's patches would be really good to land imho | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, to do a complete job of the RT objects needs some a little more work, but there is plenty that could be got through now | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | but not sure they are ready | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | the first one is | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: agreed, just its not release critical enough to get an exception at this point | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | yeah | 14:15 |
| PaulMurray | would be good to minimise what is left to do rather than have a pile left for next time | 14:15 |
| lxsli | johnthetubaguy: sure I'll see how bribeable jaypipes is when he wakes up | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that said, I think we can quickly move forward and merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148904/ | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | problem is, the plan is cutting kilo-3 not long after this meeting | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now we could wait a little bit for a few patches, but those ones that are bugs, we can merge after the freeze anyway | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | ndipanov: jaypipes: happy with reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148904/ | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, note - the follow on patches from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148904/ are ready | 14:17 |
| bauzas | ? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, if you folks can get me a list of what is good to merge, and how that its in the gate soon, we can see what can be done | 14:17 |
| anteaya | if it isnt' in the gate now, realisticly it won't make it into k-3 | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, the "apparent" rebase issue is not real - they just need to go through CI again | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | please add updates to here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:17 |
| bauzas | anteaya: I know that's not yet time to ask for, but how's the gate atm ? | 14:17 |
| dansmith | anteaya: why do you say that? it's early in the day and there are only 12 things in the queue | 14:17 |
| anteaya | bauzas: the gate, not bad | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: right, thats my thinking here | 14:17 |
| ndipanov | PaulMurray, please add your patches | 14:17 |
| anteaya | check is in bad shape | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 14:18 |
| ndipanov | or not | 14:18 |
| ndipanov | not sure tbh | 14:18 |
| anteaya | we are cleaning jenkins's now | 14:18 |
| bauzas | anteaya: so patches could be merged in the next couple of hours if quick +W | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on.. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | anteaya: oh ok, ack | 14:18 |
| sdague | what's the impact on backports if the policy permissions changes aren't merged for release? | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking people want to get that in, but we can't call it release critical right? | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: you mean the DB ones? | 14:19 |
| sdague | yeh | 14:19 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, the gates seems quite empty | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | so it is not unrealistic to merge sutff if we can wait for tomorrow to cut -3 | 14:19 |
| sdague | ndipanov: right, but the check queue is massively backlogged | 14:19 |
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| dansmith | it's less than yesterday | 14:19 |
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| ndipanov | sdague, lol - yeah didn't scroll down | 14:19 |
| dansmith | it was over 200 almost all day yesterday and we merged things | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | 14h | 14:20 |
| sdague | dansmith: yeh, but the active node count is pretty low | 14:20 |
| anteaya | we are working on it | 14:20 |
| dansmith | and that has changed? | 14:20 |
| sdague | also, the openssl bug drops today, so I expect a lot of things might go offline when that is fixed | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: OK, the db stuff is a good question, I just worry about trying to loosen the DB checks quickly at the end of a release | 14:20 |
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| ndipanov | I mean - if it were up to me I'd say - whatever is merged by monday morning gets a pass but not sure if that is reasonable johnthetubaguy ? | 14:21 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, that's a good question | 14:21 |
| ndipanov | because 14h means if we let anything in it will merge by friday | 14:21 |
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| ndipanov | and at that point why not wait until monday? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | k-3 is today though... | 14:22 |
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| dansmith | right | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: right we release kilo-3 today, and the freeze activates, so the translation folks, etc get to work | 14:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: any idea when the packaging is done ? | 14:23 |
| ndipanov | well in that case I guess what's in is in... | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: shouldn't matter | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: in a few hours, we will tag and create the package, once I say yes to ttx, basically | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | that's up to the packagers | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we have lots of time for bug fixes | 14:23 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I was speaking about tagging and wheeling it | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just all the co-ordination stuff starts now ish, and I don't want to derail those folks | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | like tranlations, etc | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: of course, not what downsteam packagers do | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic kilo priorities | 14:24 |
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| sdague | yep, fair | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we covered all this really | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic gate status | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| mriedem | i'm not aware of any major gate blockers atm, at least from nova | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: nothing major here I guess? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:25 |
| mriedem | neutron loves it some dbdeadlock though | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open discussion | 14:25 |
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| sdague | so... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150929/ is probably a thing we should actually push into the gate right? | 14:25 |
| sdague | we seem all agreed | 14:25 |
| ttx | ndipanov: the jobs at 14hours wait are actually jobs that got stuck on the wrong jenkins node | 14:25 |
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| sdague | and being in k3 seems to be better than not being in k3 | 14:25 |
| dansmith | sdague: +1 | 14:25 |
| ttx | current delay is more 1h45 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | should I wombat it? | 14:26 |
| sdague | yes please | 14:26 |
| sdague | it has a ton of +2s, and ttx is +1 on it | 14:26 |
| dansmith | and mikal | 14:26 |
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| sdague | yep | 14:26 |
| dansmith | and everyone else :) | 14:26 |
| dansmith | let it be so | 14:26 |
| sdague | mikal in ton_of_plus_2s == True | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | (barring the -2 fast revert, which I will ignore) | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the highest level of consensus we can get really | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and it support what the ec2 folks want to do, it seems | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so anything more people have? | 14:27 |
| flip214 | when will the blueprint repo be open for L? I'd like to move my not-K-driver to L as soon as possible. | 14:28 |
| dims | could use some help with bugs :) | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | the wiki was left old from the last meeting, which didn't help things | 14:28 |
| bauzas | flip214: it's already open IIUC | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | flip214: its open as of a few weeks back I think | 14:28 |
| n0ano | are we going to setup an etherpad for session topics at Vancouver? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was an ML message from mikal on that | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: yes we should start that soon | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action mikal to kick start etherpad for vancouver | 14:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I was thinking that mikal was waiting the new PTL election ? | 14:29 |
| flip214 | johnthetubaguy: so, is it a good idea to push the blueprint right now? | 14:29 |
| flip214 | with the same ID as the one for K? I believe that one's abandoned, so generating a new one might be better. | 14:30 |
| edleafe | when is the PTL election? | 14:30 |
| dansmith | soonish | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, true | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | April 10 - April 16: PTL elections | 14:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_April_2015 | 14:30 |
| anteaya | flip214: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058107.html | 14:30 |
| bauzas | eh | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, thats covered then | 14:31 |
| mriedem | mikal doesn't need to be PTL to create an etherpad for summit topics... | 14:31 |
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| sahid | johnthetubaguy: yes ahaha | 14:31 |
| flip214 | anteaya: thank you. | 14:31 |
| n0ano | mriedem, +1, that's awfully late to start the discussion | 14:31 |
| anteaya | flip214: welcome | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 but I know he doesn't like to overstep his mark | 14:31 |
| flip214 | is there a "previously-approved-in-paris" tag, too? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | jogo can start it then :) | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK… seems like we are done for today | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy bug fixing time to all | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info please look out for RC1 critical bugs | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | one thing I forgot... | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to find bugs that will stop us release kilo | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and ideally target them for RC1, etc | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: are we beginning to tag bugs for RC1 ? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | meh | 14:32 |
| mriedem | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-3 | 14:32 |
| mriedem | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | there are 3 bugs in rc1 tag already | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: good point, we should defer those unimplemented bugs to rc1 | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | well, or see if they are really stopship bugs | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, just looking at kilo-3 bugs, we have some critical i didn't notice befrore :S | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | can folks just check if any should block kilo-3 | 14:33 |
| bauzas | mriedem: well, that's bug fixing time, not yet RC dance right ? | 14:33 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I was thinking that only criticals were acceptable for RC2+ | 14:34 |
| bauzas | but RC1 is pretty free, nope | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | ? | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: still need to spot the release critical ones, and target them for RC1 | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | right | 14:34 |
| mriedem | you shouldn't go into rc expecting rc2 | 14:34 |
| mriedem | if you hvae known critical bugs, they should be targeted for rc1 | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | technically, we just rc1 when there are no bugs targeted for rc1 | 14:34 |
| mriedem | assuming rc1 is the final | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +100 | 14:35 |
| bauzas | what about low bugs ? | 14:35 |
| mriedem | i've had this fun conversation internally many times | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: don't target them | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ok, then we drop the target of those if they were k3 | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats my next task, untarget stuff people have targeted to k3, but didn't have to | 14:36 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so are we done now? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | as always, any release-y questions, feel free to ping my and ask | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy bug fixing | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 14:37:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-19-14.01.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-19-14.01.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-19-14.01.log.html | 14:37 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 15:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | who's all around for the ceilo weekly? | 15:01 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #topic kilo-3 | 15:01 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-3 (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
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| eglynn | kilo-3 is tagged and bagged :) | 15:01 |
| eglynn | nice work folks! | 15:01 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | \o/ :) | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:01 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
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| yeungp | o/ | 15:02 |
| cdent | that's a nice stack of bugs | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | thank you all | 15:02 |
| eglynn | as agreed last week, we bumped fabiog's config-db BPs to liberty-1 | 15:02 |
| prad | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | so now, we enter the stabilization phase | 15:02 |
| eglynn | since the config-db BPs were bumped to liberty, we will not be requesting at FFEs this time | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | so purely bug fixes between now and kilo-rc1 | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | RCs will be cut between weeks commencing April 9th to April 23rd | 15:04 |
| eglynn | final kilo tag planned for w/c April 30th | 15:04 |
| eglynn | so if you've got any bug fixes that you feel should get into kilo, earlier the better! | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | once the RC1 tag is cut, the scrutiny on targeting bugs will go way up | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | i.e. harder to justify for RCn with n>1 | 15:05 |
| eglynn | anything else on kilo? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | k, onwards and upwards :) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | #topic gnocchi status | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | I beleive jd__ is cooking up a release today :) | 15:06 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:06 |
| jd__ | I am | 15:07 |
| jd__ | waiting for Jenkins to merge last patches, it's slow | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | but 1.0a1 should be out pretty soon otherwise | 15:07 |
| cdent | (it seems to have been more than usually slow lately) | 15:07 |
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| ildikov | I hoe it will be nicely flavored ;) | 15:07 |
| ildikov | *hope | 15:08 |
| gordc | cdent: k-3 madness time. | 15:08 |
| eglynn | jd__: released artifacts will be available from tarballs.openstack.org? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | ... or pypi? | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | they should be on both | 15:08 |
| eglynn | coolness :) | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | shoudl I add some words about it in OS Manuals or let's wait with that step a bit more? | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | I think you can wait a bit ildikov | 15:09 |
| eglynn | then the idea is to do further 1.0aN releases with N>1 until kilo is finalized? | 15:09 |
| eglynn | i.e. up to approx w/c April 30th | 15:09 |
| ildikov | jd__: ok, tnx | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I've updated the milestones at launchpad.net/gnocchi | 15:10 |
| jd__ | so I plan for a rc1 at some point and then 1.0 | 15:10 |
| jd__ | maybe further a2 a3… if needed or if I feel like it | 15:10 |
| eglynn | excellent | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | likely a1 will have issue or tarballs will be missed or I don't know and I'll have to do more alphas | 15:12 |
| eglynn | hmmm, that reminds me | 15:12 |
| jd__ | that's one of the point, train us to release :p | 15:12 |
| eglynn | dep freeze is also today | 15:12 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DepFreeze | 15:12 |
| eglynn | so we'll need a dep-freeze exception for the tooz/redis bug cdent is working on | 15:12 |
| cdent | I have a dirty fix. | 15:13 |
| cdent | will push it up for review so we can figure out how to make it clean | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tooz/+bug/1434043 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1434043 in tooz "ceilometer group partitioning coordination with tooz+redis+sentinel fails to failover to new master" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:13 |
| eglynn | cdent: coolness, thanks! | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | I think depfreeze is about NEW deps, not existing ones | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I was thinking we'd stick a lower bound on the tooz dependency version? | 15:14 |
| eglynn | jd__: a-ha, you're right ... "you are no longer allowed to accept proposed changes containing *new* requirements" | 15:15 |
| jd__ | yeah I think we can upgrade our requirement | 15:15 |
| eglynn | coolness :) | 15:15 |
| jd__ | anyway if we don't it'd be just "upgrade or it will work until it does not" | 15:15 |
| jd__ | :D | 15:15 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, tooz has a stable/kilo already | 15:16 |
| jd__ | though there is a general misunderstanding IMHO with requirements between "minimum version that works" and "minimum version that is recommended with no bug" – that last one is always the last version anyway | 15:16 |
| jd__ | but that's a larger scope than Ceilometer and is subject to debate I guess </troll> | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | yeah, true that | 15:17 |
| eglynn | cdent: will we need that tooz fix backported to stable/kilo also? | 15:17 |
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| cdent | juno you mean eglynn ? yes | 15:18 |
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| * cdent is somewhat confused | 15:19 | |
| eglynn | cdent: a-ha yeah ... /me is confused now why tooz has a stable/kilo branch before kilo is cut, but no stable/juno | 15:19 |
| eglynn | jd__: ^^^ perhaps because tooz only moved into oslo from stackforge after juno? | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | cdent: yeah, forget stable/juno ... since the redis driver landed after juno anyway IIRC | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | and I'd imagince most juno-derived distros with roll forward to the latest tooz | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | #topic open-discussion | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | anyone still waiting on a yeah/nay on a Vancouver conference proposal? | 15:23 |
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| * gordc hasn't heard anything. | 15:24 | |
| fabiog | eglynn: did they already sent out the discount codes for contributors? | 15:24 |
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| gordc | i don't think anyone i know has heard anything. | 15:24 |
| cdent | i've still not heard | 15:24 |
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| ildikov | I thought it will be announced next week | 15:25 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I think I got the code already | 15:25 |
| gordc | fabiog: i got mine a while ago. | 15:25 |
| * jd__ waiting | 15:25 | |
| eglynn | yeap, last I heard, was supposed to be this week or very latest early next week | 15:25 |
| jd__ | fabiog: yeah it was sent a while ago | 15:25 |
| fabiog | ildikov: gordc: so then mine fall through the cracks ... | 15:25 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeap, that was quite a while ago | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: we should be able to get you an ATC code from reed if you didn't get one in the first round | 15:26 |
| eglynn | fabiog: I'm surprised at that though, since you had patches landed in kilo-1 IIRC | 15:26 |
| eglynn | (i.e the RBAC stuff) | 15:27 |
| ildikov | fabiog: like what eglynn says I would also think that you can still get it | 15:27 |
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| gordc | fabiog: check your junk folder... if it hasn't cleared already. | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: $subject == "Your discount code for OpenStack Summit in Vancouver" | 15:28 |
| eglynn | from: communitymngr@openstack.org | 15:29 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: thanks! Looking | 15:29 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: today they will remove my hp email account so I need to find it now ;-) | 15:30 |
| eglynn | fabiog: if you can't find it, reach out to reed (Stefano Maffulli) to get a fresh one | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: if you need me to vouch, just shout | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | ok, if there's nothing else ... | 15:31 |
| eglynn | ... shall we call it a wrap? | 15:31 |
| ildikov | I have one | 15:31 |
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| ildikov | just a small regarding to how the post samples endpoint should work? | 15:31 |
| eglynn | shoot | 15:32 |
| ildikov | I mean is that the desired way that it is kind of limited by the pipeline.yaml file? | 15:32 |
| fabiog | ildikov: I know about this one ;-) | 15:32 |
| eglynn | ildikov: not sure what you mean by "limited" in that context | 15:32 |
| * ildikov listens :) | 15:32 | |
| ildikov | eglynn: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164401/2 | 15:33 |
| fabiog | ildikov: to me if you return a 201 or 200 when you create a sample (and related meter) you should be able to query about it later on | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | ildikov: you mean all the posted samples should gone through pipeline? | 15:33 |
| gordc | i would think it shouldn't be... i don't think pipeline should exist... (or the post functionality for that matter.lol) | 15:33 |
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| gordc | pipeline in api i mean | 15:34 |
| fabiog | eglynn: basically if you POST a sample that generates a meter that is not listed in the pipeline.yaml, Ceilo will let you create it, but then you have no way of seeing it | 15:34 |
| llu-laptop | ildikov: I think that was our original design | 15:34 |
| cdent | gordc: the post functionality is very handy for tests | 15:34 |
| ildikov | so the samples are persisted through the pipeline | 15:34 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah, i figured that's the main/only use case. | 15:34 |
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| ildikov | therefore it the pipeline does not contain a wildcard, then the sample will not be persisted because they do not match any meters defined in pipeline.yaml | 15:35 |
| cdent | i made a spec about getting rid of the pipeline in the api a while ago, but then sort of lost interest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143103/ | 15:35 |
| gordc | cdent: if that's it, i don't know if we need pipeline. | 15:35 |
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| gordc | cdent: oh yeah, right, the spec! | 15:35 |
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| fabiog | ildikov: but the client returns a success code like it did it. I think this is wrong, it should return a 409 conflict if the meter is not in the pipeline | 15:35 |
| cdent | it turned out that the pipeline being in the api was actually a useful way of controlling dispatch | 15:35 |
| cdent | and also testing the pipeline itself (via the api) | 15:35 |
| ildikov | fabiog: I think we should persist the samples independently from the pipeline config | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | fabiog: agreed, at least we should have the HTTP return status consistent | 15:36 |
| ildikov | fabiog: so there are multiple issues with it | 15:36 |
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| fabiog | ildikov: Ok. I see two options | 15:36 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: I mean lack of valid response and also failed functionality | 15:36 |
| fabiog | Either we add the meter and then update the pipeline to reflect the new meter that has been added so then the user can retrieve that meter | 15:37 |
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| gordc | cdent: i assume we just need to dispatch to db no? i wouldn't expect someone to post to api, and publish just to MQ | 15:37 |
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| fabiog | or we return a "conflict" state saying that the sample cannot be stored because the pipeline has no corresponding meter | 15:38 |
| fabiog | so the user can update the pipeline and re-submit if they wish so | 15:38 |
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| fabiog | any thoughts? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: wasn't there a specific reason for the POST samples API using a pipeline? | 15:39 |
| ildikov | well, basically I think we should not send the samples through the pipeline if they are coming from the API endpoint, or at least it does not make much sense to me | 15:39 |
| ildikov | my question wasn't about how to solve the bug that the patch is up for | 15:39 |
| ildikov | but that what is the desired functionality? | 15:39 |
| * eglynn has a vague recollection of discussing this previously, and jd__ had a reason to keep the pipeline | 15:40 | |
| ildikov | because that is what is not clear to me currently | 15:40 |
| gordc | ildikov: agreed... the api is already directly connected to db, i don't see a case where they'd need to be transformed | 15:40 |
| llu-laptop | I believe post is comparable to notification, so both should gone through pipeline for consistency? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: transformers and all? | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | what's the problem with having the pipeline in the API? | 15:41 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, in the sense that if someone sends samples I guess it is in the form they need it and they don't want extra transformation | 15:42 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, could have been that all right | 15:42 |
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| jd__ | likely all of that make less sense with Gnocchi now, but eh… | 15:43 |
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| gordc | i guess we can track on bug? not sure we have consensus here. | 15:44 |
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| ildikov | jd__: the pipeline gives a limit regarding to posting samples via the API | 15:45 |
| gordc | i don't think we can pull it out tbh since i'm assuming someone will say "backward compat" | 15:45 |
| ildikov | jd__: I mean you need a wildcard in pipeline.yaml or the new meter name in order to get the sample persisted | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | gordc: yeap sadly :( | 15:46 |
| eglynn | so saw I POST a sequence of cpu samples, surely I'd expect the corresponding cpu_util to be derived for these? | 15:46 |
| fabiog | jd__: if the pipeline is the limit we should enforce it even when we create the sample not only when we read the meter back | 15:46 |
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| gordc | eglynn: yeah... i guess for me, it was mainly, why are people posting stuff to api to begin with (aside from testing) | 15:47 |
| ildikov | eglynn: for that yes, but if you post bubu samples then I guess don't really have expectations, or? | 15:47 |
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| jd__ | because we expect people to be able to use Ceilometer with their own metrics/samples | 15:47 |
| ildikov | fabiog: yeap, but should it be the limit? | 15:47 |
| eglynn | ildikov: I guess your pipeline.yaml is already saying that you're explicitly not interested in bubu samples? | 15:48 |
| eglynn | gordc: IIRC jd__ had a customer usecase for the POST samples API | 15:48 |
| ildikov | eglynn: if I use the default, then I have a wildcard, I guess it solves my issue and I expect that 'bubu' samples will be persisted | 15:48 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think for now we can assume that the pipeline is the limit. I guess we can extend the configDB discussion around this too. | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: snap, I wanted to mention the same :) | 15:49 |
| jd__ | people building a PaaS on top of OpenStack using Nova VMS – so without having any access to the internal cloud | 15:49 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: if you have the ability to store the pipeline in the db it will be easy to programmatically add a new meter when a new sample is submitted | 15:49 |
| gordc | jd__: fair enough. not ideal but is what it is. | 15:49 |
| jd__ | and using Ceilometer to meter | 15:49 |
| eglynn | ildikov: so if the wildcard source is present, then the problem doesn't occur, or? | 15:49 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I don't have a running env now, but according to the bug with wildcard it does not | 15:50 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah, it's fine then. | 15:50 |
| fabiog | eglynn: with * you can post all the meters you want | 15:50 |
| gordc | you just need to be aware that what your posting is going through pipeline | 15:50 |
| fabiog | eglynn: but without * you can post the sample BUT not get the meter/sample back | 15:50 |
| ildikov | gordc: it seems to me that I have some docco writing task again... :S :) | 15:51 |
| eglynn | fabiog: because it's never persisted? | 15:51 |
| ildikov | fabiog: why wouldn't you get it back? | 15:51 |
| gordc | i think the bug is that it doesn't tell you that it's been rejected. | 15:51 |
| fabiog | gordc: exaclty | 15:51 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: so it is never persisted but you got a message that it has been | 15:52 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: and then you will never find it. We had QA going nuts on this :-) | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: a-ha, k, so the problem is more that it silently fails? | 15:52 |
| ildikov | as I understand the bug says that this only happens if you remove the wildcard and don't specify the name of the new meter | 15:52 |
| gordc | fabiog: i guess just fix the silent fail and update docs to tell you you're posting to pipeline. | 15:52 |
| fabiog | eglynn: well not even silently the pyhton client returns like it was all dandy | 15:52 |
| eglynn | yeap, wot gordc said | 15:53 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: agreed, that's at least we could do now | 15:53 |
| fabiog | gordc: that is what the patch is going to do | 15:53 |
| gordc | fabiog: cool cool | 15:53 |
| fabiog | gordc: return a 409 saying that there is a conflict | 15:53 |
| ildikov | fabiog: so you say that even with wildcard it will fail to persist? | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | k, I think we're all ad idem so :) | 15:53 |
| fabiog | gordc: pipeline | 15:53 |
| fabiog | ildikov: no with wildcard works | 15:53 |
| cdent | It's interesting to me how little we agree not just on how these things should work, but also how they _do_ work. | 15:53 |
| eglynn | ildikov: IIUC, fails to persist only in the case without a wildcard | 15:54 |
| ildikov | fabiog: ok, so we are on the same page, cool | 15:54 |
| gordc | ildikov: your small item took away 20+min.lol | 15:54 |
| fabiog | gordc: the devil is in the details ;-) | 15:54 |
| zqfan | I'm not sure 409 is better than 400 | 15:54 |
| ildikov | gordc: I had a feeling that it will TBH, but wasn't sure... :) | 15:54 |
| gordc | cdent: build a detailed pretty diagram for us to look at. i like pictures. | 15:55 |
| ildikov | cdent: that is why I brought it up on the meeting as many of us is here now and it seemed to be a messy topic | 15:55 |
| cdent | gordc: you need to do it, you make them so good, except for the rotation | 15:55 |
| cdent | ildikov++ | 15:55 |
| fabiog | zqfan: 400 is bad request. If the sample is specified correctly you are saying the client that his request is wrong where there is nothing wrong with it | 15:55 |
| gordc | lol | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | ok, let's take it to gerrit :) | 15:55 |
| fabiog | zqfan: 409 is specifically say that there is a "conflict" within the app that prevents it to fulfill your request, but the request itself is fine | 15:56 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, now we can and I also know what to write into the docco, so I'm happy now :) | 15:56 |
| gordc | cdent: i'll make a gif, of all ways a datapoint can enter ceilometer services. | 15:56 |
| cdent | make sure you include a picture of an evil school marm wagging her finger shamefully | 15:57 |
| fabiog | gordc: you are turning into a Graphic Artist :-) | 15:57 |
| ildikov | LOL :) | 15:57 |
| gordc | lol | 15:57 |
| ildikov | so thanks all for clarification :) | 15:58 |
| eglynn | k folks, let's call it a wrap :) | 15:58 |
| eglynn | thanks all for your time! | 15:58 |
| ildikov | eglynn: +1 :) | 15:58 |
| gordc | laters! | 15:58 |
| fabiog | ciao | 15:58 |
| ildikov | laters | 15:58 |
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| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 15:58:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-19-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-19-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-19-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, are we starting at the right time this week? | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | yup | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 19:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 19:01 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| stevemar | ping dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng for meeting | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | hey | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: is faster on the copy-n-paste than me today | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | #topic open actions | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open actions (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:02 | |
| stevemar | i have some l33t shortcut skillz | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | I had the only open action, around an election for PTL. | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | I think Tuesday's approval of our status as an official OpenStack project moots that; I've confirmed that we will be included in the next PTL election cycle | 19:03 |
| stevemar | is that open to all contributors or just cores? if the latter we have quorum now :) | 19:03 |
| stevemar | dont we need an interim ptl? when is the election? | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | :) the election is all ATCs within the last year | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | we decided last week to seek additional PTL candidates, nobody has stepped forward by the TC meeting so I left my as provisional PTL | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | we'll do a normal cycle in April | 19:05 |
| stevemar | makes sense | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic public test interfaces | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "public test interfaces (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:06 | |
| stevemar | oh this is new... whats up here? | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | d0gual asked about this in -sdks, we haven't talked about it, or what exactly are the public interfaces for plugins in general | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | but I wanted to start some thinking and discussion around that so we can document somthing there | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | specifically he asked about openstackclient.tests.fakes | 19:08 |
| * stevemar looks that up | 19:08 | |
| dtroyer | that seems like a good place to have public bits since we basically treat it that way in our own tests | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | my first thought is that if that breaks it is due to internal OSC changes and a plugin would need to know | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | i'm confused as to what the end goal is? | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | what can a plugin use from OSC's fakes in its own tests? | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | ah okay... what do we claim/hope won't change from fakes | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | if the plugins are developing off a tag, it shouldn’t be aproblem | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: right, until its time to move to the next tag. It's basically asking where we'll (try to) keep some compatibility inernally | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: for test fixtures in oslo we put them in foo/fixtures instead of foo/tests as a way of indicating what is public and what is private | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | it helps consumers, but it also helps reviewers know when changes might need closer scrutiny for backwards-compatibility | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: mmm…that sounds like a good plan | 19:13 |
| stevemar | sounds reasonable | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | actually, we don't use the "s" so it's just "fixture" | 19:14 |
| stevemar | create a bp for the work? | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: I think so | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | #action create a bp for moving fakes to fixtures for plugins to consumer | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | I feel like I need to get a bit smarter around tests and structuring things like this. I'm guessing oslo would be a good pattern to match? | 19:15 |
| stevemar | probably | 19:16 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: we're not 100% consistent, but we're getting better | 19:16 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158787/ is related | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | (that's a spec describing why we're moving to just using fixtures, and not test base classes) | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | cool, will read in a bit, thanks | 19:17 |
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| stevemar | in keystone we need to start using fixtures instead of overloading test setups and base classes | 19:18 |
| stevemar | so don't look there for good practices/examples :\ | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | ok, we'll get a bp started, this likely will be something to talk about in Vancouver | 19:19 |
| stevemar | sounds good, next topic time? | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | #topic bug reviews | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | I had a couple of questions for the group... | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1429330 | 19:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1429330 in python-openstackclient "Upload of mapping rules does not honor JSON format" [Undecided,New] | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | is this a bug, or how do we want to address it? | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | that one... | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I feel like something like that should work, but I'm not sure exactly how. | 19:20 |
| stevemar | if we do address it, we'll need a way to pass in the entire request body via a file | 19:21 |
| stevemar | and we'd have to do that to all commands | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | yeah, I think it generalizes to handling JSON input | 19:21 |
| stevemar | so that comes down to, do we think that's a valid input method? | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | in cases where the request body is huge, and the command line is super long, then maybe it makes sense? | 19:22 |
| dhellmann | was the problem that the contents of the input file were wrong? | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | AIUI, the output was wrapped at a different level than the input required | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | I don't mean to solve it now, just to decide where to file it… another bp? | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | one of the example files that works with raw curl didn't work with the client because of that? | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | I guess I'm saying I think it's already working? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | the input JSON didn't need the two outer layers of 'mapping' and 'rules' | 19:25 |
| stevemar | yeah, it worked for curl... the entire post body was in the file | 19:25 |
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| dhellmann | right, but I wouldn't expect the user-friendly client to need to have the raw request body, just the data | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | I guess we could look at what we're given and unpack part of it if we see that it's wrapped too many levels like that | 19:25 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, we only have the rules input via the file, because it's hard to specify them otherwise. | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | The general solution I was thinking was to be able to take JSON that we output with —format json and be able to use it as input where it makes sense, mapping create is one of those places. | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | this specific case isn't exactly that, just got me to thinking about it | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | so maybe a generalized bp and close this? | 19:27 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I agree we should be able to take our output as input | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer create a bp to generalize taking JSON input based on our own JSON output | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | the second one I had on my list stevemar jumped the gun with in -sdks a little bit ago | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1406470 | 19:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1406470 in python-openstackclient "track backwards incompatible changes" [High,Confirmed] | 19:29 |
| stevemar | getting the args out of the request input file is gonna be a pain | 19:29 |
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| stevemar | anyway, we can go on to the next issue | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | I think handling this via commit message tags might work as that is where we will be talking about an incompatibile change anyway | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | ++ agreed | 19:30 |
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| dhellmann | do we want to track them just for release notes? or to make sure we come back later and remove the obsoleted thing? | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | the latter | 19:31 |
| dhellmann | ok. We have versionutis and debtcollector in oslo that might also be useful for those things | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | I need to catch up with debtcollector, will have a look | 19:33 |
| stevemar | hmm, maybe versionutils will work, i initially dismissed it since it uses the release names (juno/kilo, etc) | 19:33 |
| stevemar | but i think we're aiming for that anyway | 19:33 |
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| dhellmann | debtcollector is focused on developer internal APIs, while versionutils is focused on user-facing features | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | so versionutils might be better in this situation, but yeah if we're not using the release cycle as a unit of time for deprecation then that might not make sense either | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | anyway, worth a look | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | if we're going to define internal interfaces we'll need debtcollector-like functionality | 19:34 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann, is versionutils in it's own repo yet? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I didn't think we were going to anything more WRT integrated release cycles than stick to the lib versioning around that | 19:35 |
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| dhellmann | stevemar: not yet. finding a home for that is tricky because of the dependencies | 19:36 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: that was my understanding | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | ok, I think we have some direction there | 19:37 |
| stevemar | booo, i don't want to sync back up with incubator, we were officially free of it! | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: it's on my list to sort out for liberty | 19:38 |
| stevemar | i'll try to help :) | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | anyone else have any bugs that need attention? | 19:39 |
| stevemar | let me check | 19:39 |
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| stevemar | oh, want to chat about the `osc is slow` bug? bug 1431649 | 19:39 |
| openstack | bug 1431649 in python-keystoneclient "openstackclient is really slow" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1431649 - Assigned to Robert Collins (lifeless) | 19:39 |
| stevemar | i have no idea how to fix this one :\ | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | sure. I played with that earlier in the week, both fixing the —timing operation, but then hacking up some internal timing | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/164091 is the —timing fix | 19:40 |
| stevemar | did you find out where the slowness is worst? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/165181 is my poor-man's profiler | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | loading keystoneclient.session is by far the slowest | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | I didn't look inside that at all | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, does running keystone CLI commands use session? | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | I had a couple of external plugins that were also hideously slow compared to the built-in clinets (compute, etc), not sure why, but have removed them for now | 19:42 |
| stevemar | cause that is still a big zippier than their OSC counter part | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: no idea | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | probably not then | 19:42 |
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| dtroyer | other than the actual REAT round trips, loading the actual command class what the only other peak I saw | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | I need to update the bug with what I found, but I'm not sure what is actionable there | 19:44 |
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| dhellmann | it would be interesting to know if we're importing code that isn't being used, but I suspect not | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: I think between cliff/stvedore and the ClientManager descriptor magic I don't think there is much else within our repo | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | that loads unnecessarily | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I meant in some of those plugins | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | I suspected the plugin discovery bits but that turns out to be not too bad pulling the plugin entrypoint list | 19:46 |
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| * dhellmann can't remember if the plugin manager in cliff loads plugins before it runs them | 19:47 | |
| dtroyer | the external non-keystone client libs are not loaded until the actual command class starts | 19:48 |
| dhellmann | *any of them | 19:48 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | take_action() is where we grab novalicent, via ClientManagerfor example | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | I'm still curious why osc-debug was so slow, but that's out of scope unless it also affects all of the other plugins | 19:49 |
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| stevemar | looks like ksc v2 shell still creates a session https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/d697ea29a6481b39cc8e05be2c386cf5fa2575c4/keystoneclient/shell.py#L201 | 19:49 |
| dhellmann | it would be interesting to see what https://github.com/dhellmann/smiley shows for some of these commands, maybe I'll give that a try | 19:50 |
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| * dtroyer has another thing for the reading list | 19:50 | |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer to add timing info to https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1431649 | 19:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431649 in python-keystoneclient "openstackclient is really slow" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Collins (lifeless) | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | any other bugs to talk about? | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | none for me | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | #topic other repo news | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | both cliff and os-client-config ACLs now include openstackclient-core, but nothing else has changed for them at this time | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | I thought I'd remove oslo-core from cliff next week. | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: that reminds me, do we have an official "topic tag" for the mailing list? I used "osc" I think but I'm not sure if that was right. | 19:55 |
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| stevemar | osc works for me | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: I don't know if we do, I like that better than the openstackclient I've been using, more subject shows | 19:55 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know if we need to do anything to register a tag, or if we just need to be consistent | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | I think there is a benefit to registering, will find out | 19:56 |
| stevemar | didn't even know you could register them | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | I'm sure reed would know | 19:56 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think it lets you see them in the mailman subscription UI, but I don't know if it picks up the topics automatically | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer find out if we have a registered ML tag, register OSC if we don't | 19:57 |
| stevemar | any other tasks to do? now that we've been blessed? | 19:57 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: take over the world? | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | daemon mode! | 19:57 |
| stevemar | that was already on the list | 19:57 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: touché | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | btw, I was looking at that in trying to speed up devstack, it works kinda, except I think we need to tweak the output a bit better to distinguish the end of a particular command | 19:58 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: daemon mode? | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | t isn't really a daemon, more of a bas coproc with captive pipes in stdin/stdout | 19:59 |
| stevemar | we're at time | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | but load once, send/receive multiple commands | 19:59 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: we ought to be able to turn the interactive mode stuff into a way to do that, too | 19:59 |
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| dtroyer | I've alreadyproposed a bit of that in devstack, but things that need a value returned are 'hard' | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | that might already work, actually | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | otherwise it works great | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 20:00:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-19-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-19-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-19-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| reed | dhellmann, stevemar: I know about mailman topics | 20:10 |
| reed | nothing :) | 20:10 |
| reed | I can create them though | 20:10 |
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| stevemar | reed, we need one for openstackclient, we were thinking 'osc' | 20:11 |
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| reed | stevemar, sure. check the other existing topics and give me the brief description of the topic and link to the home page of the project | 20:12 |
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| stevemar | reed, do you have a link to where i can see the existing topics? | 20:17 |
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| reed | on your personal preference page, for example http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev/stevemar--at--ca.ibm.com | 20:18 |
| reed | (requires your password) | 20:18 |
| reed | I need a name | 20:18 |
| reed | I assume: OpenStack Client, right? | 20:19 |
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| reed | and a description, witha link to the home page of the project | 20:19 |
| reed | which I think is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackClient, correct? | 20:19 |
| reed | and it's not | 20:20 |
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| reed | stevemar, I have all the information necessary | 20:23 |
| stevemar | reed, oops, i put my laptop down for a sec | 20:24 |
| stevemar | reed, umm i think we want http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/ for the page | 20:24 |
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| stevemar | we're trying to steer people away from the wiki | 20:24 |
| reed | done | 20:24 |
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| stevemar | reed, and the project name should be 'OpenStackClient' (no space) | 20:25 |
| reed | I added the {{DeprecatedTemplate}} on the wiki page | 20:25 |
| reed | so there is a nice big warning sign on top | 20:25 |
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| reed | on the wiki I'd leave the info for the team meetings, agendas and such details | 20:25 |
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| stevemar | reed, yep, of course | 20:26 |
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| stevemar | reed, thank you sir! | 20:27 |
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| dtroyer | nice, I go refill $COLD_BEVERAGE and stevemar and reed take care of one of my actions ;) thanks guys | 20:29 |
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| reed | IRC efficiency at work :) | 20:29 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, we do what we can | 20:31 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 19 22:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 22:01 |
| masayukig | \o | 22:01 |
| ajmiller | hi | 22:01 |
| oomichi | hi | 22:01 |
| gmann | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_19th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:01 |
| dkranz | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, andreaf: courtesy ping | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:02 | |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:02 |
| jogo | o/ | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | are there any open spec reviews to discuss today? | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: I did want to ask there are a couple of open devstack specs (1 of which has been implemented) | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | what did you want to do with them? | 22:03 |
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| dtroyer | I need to go through them and get caught up | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, no worries. I was just curious | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on specs? otherwise we can move on | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | so today was k-3 | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | I have been meaning to go through and update the targets for a number of open bps | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | I'll try to take care of that soon | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an open bp to discuss? | 22:07 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: nothing special only quickly updates | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: well the auth migration is a big step for tempest-lib | 22:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: resource-cleanup is still close to be completed, there's only a few patches and a little bit of reorganizing credentials code in base classes that I wanted to do | 22:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes indeed that's almost done now | 22:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: the patch to move auth with unit tests in ready for review | 22:10 |
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| andreaf | actually it's going through gate now | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah masayukig +A'd it | 22:11 |
| andreaf | and I'm working on the patch to remove auth from tempest - pending tempest-lib release | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: on your schema refactor bp, is that done? I lost track of the patches at some point | 22:13 |
| andreaf | on multi-auth bp, almost finished, the main patch outstanding is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133029/, I need to incorporate jamielennox comments in there | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: cool, that's been a longstanding one, it'll be good to have keystone v3 only gate runs | 22:13 |
| gmann | mtreinish: all patches are ready for review | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | gmann: do you have a link? | 22:14 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/rearrange-nova-response-schemas,n,z | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | thanks | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other bps to discuss today? | 22:15 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: well having a full v3 job is a separate bp, there's some work to be done to get a job running with v2 turned off... | 22:15 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I just noticed javelin uses v2 only for instance | 22:15 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: but that's kind of out of the original scope of the bp | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, my mistake. the multi-auth bp is just to make everything support v3 | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:17 | |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: anything exciting to discuss this week? | 22:18 |
| dtroyer | we spent a bit of time earlier this week looking at speeding up some parts of devstack | 22:18 |
| dtroyer | I put up a demo of batching OSC commands in keystone that saved a little bit | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: the big time sink is still the wheel compilation though right? | 22:20 |
| dtroyer | yeah, that dwarfs the seconds I managed to recover | 22:20 |
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| dtroyer | I've wanted to do the batching anyway though as an example of how to do that | 22:21 |
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| dtroyer | I did spend some time trying to run OSC in a daemon-like mode so it doesn't always have to be reloaded but we can still get looked-up values. | 22:21 |
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| dtroyer | again, that's useful but not worth the small return here just yet | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: sure, but it's still cool | 22:22 |
| * jogo would like to see OSC faster itself | 22:22 | |
| * jogo would like a magical unicorn too | 22:22 | |
| * dtroyer would like to use a compiled language with real binaries | 22:22 | |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: for the wheel compilation do you think it would be worth just turning that off if there aren't any venvs enabled? | 22:23 |
| jogo | greghaynes: is looking into the wheel stuff | 22:23 |
| jogo | mtreinish: probably | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: just in the mean time I'm not sure we need to build the wheels if we're not using them | 22:24 |
| dtroyer | possibly, but we've already started pulling out python distro packages and that build time will still happen | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh, right I forgot about that | 22:24 |
| dtroyer | so some of that rests on what sort of python package policy we want to use, we've been back and forth a couple of times in 3 1/2 years | 22:25 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: I'll look into if it makes sense to turn off for now or not | 22:25 |
| dtroyer | speaking of venvs, I refreshed the venv patches and added a Grenade tweak to handle getting the database modules installed by pip on the target side | 22:26 |
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| greghaynes | jogo: Hey, yep. I have patches up that are waiting for infra reviews to get mirrors setup | 22:26 |
| jogo | greghaynes: \o/ | 22:27 |
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| greghaynes | Things have been exploding today so havent been bugging them too hard ;) | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: cool, grenade venvs could have some interesting implications for doing upgrades with decoupled versions | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on devstack? | 22:29 |
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| dtroyer | not here | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | ajmiller: you put a topic on the agenda | 22:30 |
| ajmiller | Yes, thanks. | 22:30 |
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| ajmiller | The issue is that in neutron-lbaas we implemented a devstack plugin, and that works fine, but the final patch to remove the lbaas-specific code from devstack broke grenade when it merged. | 22:31 |
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| ajmiller | So we reverted it | 22:31 |
| ajmiller | Then I messed around for a while hacking in grenade, but that seems to be a loosing proposition without doing more comprehensive work in grenade to fully support the plugins. | 22:32 |
| ajmiller | I'm looking for opinions, guidance, whatever. Also, we will be doing a similar plugin for octavia (currently a stackforge project) | 22:33 |
| dtroyer | because grenade doesn't run stack.sh on the target side, all that has to be done 'by hand' there | 22:33 |
| ajmiller | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161436/ | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah, you should be able to hack it in that way | 22:34 |
| dtroyer | I think this is an issue mostly because it's a service that is on the base side and now not present on the target side. | 22:34 |
| dtroyer | or present in a different way | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | ajmiller: sdague did make a ML post about defining a plugin interface for grenade, but I don't think anyone has had bandwidth to start on that | 22:34 |
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| ajmiller | Yes, saw the post. I don't think its a disaster for us if this patch doesn't make it into kilo, it might be a bit of a maintenance hassle, but the basic functinality works. | 22:36 |
| ajmiller | Although I plan on doing more testing. | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | ajmiller: we definitely will need to have a concrete story around grenade plugins before too long, especially since we're moving for more things to go that direction | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | ajmiller: I just think right now no one has had the bandwidth to really take a bite out of it | 22:37 |
| jogo | mtreinish: maybe that is something we can flesh out next week? | 22:37 |
| jogo | mtreinish: a concrete plan to follow for when we have time | 22:37 |
| ajmiller | mtreinish: Great, understood. It would be great if we can get a plan started. | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | jogo: yeah it was on my original work items list, but I can't remember why I took it off | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | jogo: but, yeah we'll definitely talk about it, especially since all 4 grenade cores will be in a room | 22:38 |
| jogo | cool | 22:39 |
| ajmiller | I'll be happy to consult, help, whatever I can, since I've done 1 devstack plugin and will probably be doing another fairly soon. | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | ajmiller: sorry I don't have anything more concrete. I'll try to keep you in the loop whenever we start the discussion | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | ajmiller: I think whatever we end up with will probably turn into a qa-spec before we start implementing it | 22:40 |
| ajmiller | mtreinish: That sounds like a good plan. | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else to discuss on grenade? | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:43 | |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | gmann: anything new on bugs this week? | 22:43 |
| gmann | mtreinish: not much on this | 22:44 |
| gmann | actually i did not get chance to look into bugs this week | 22:44 |
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| gmann | rohan had triage rotation this week and poornima next | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | gmann: ok, no worries | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything to discuss about bugs? | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:46 | |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get some extra eyes on? | 22:46 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I'm still incorporating jamielennox feedback, but it should soon be ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133029/ | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133029/ | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok sure | 22:47 |
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| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162721/ | 22:48 |
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| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164225/ | 22:49 |
| dkranz | Some non-admin stuff | 22:49 |
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| dkranz | masayukig: can you please remove your -2 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164300/ ? | 22:49 |
| andreaf | dkranz: +A | 22:50 |
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| masayukig | dkranz: sure | 22:50 |
| dkranz | andreaf, masayukig : thanks! | 22:50 |
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| andreaf | dkranz: I had reviewed that before, not sure why I didn't vote | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh interesting on that first one we were generating admin creds everywhere for no reason | 22:50 |
| masayukig | dkranz: done | 22:50 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: yeah. As soon as andreaf gives the go-ahead that he is done, I will finish the non-admin cleanup | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | then let's open the floor for 8 mins | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any other topic to discuss? | 22:53 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: is there going to be any opportunity for remote participation next week? | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: unfortunately I don't think so. We're just going to be in a regular conference room, I don't have a good microphone or anything | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: but I'm sure we'll all be on irc if we need to reach out for anything | 22:55 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: my thought was that I could actually hack on something. Just need to know what the plan ends up being | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, we can definitely try to keep you in the loop if you want to work in parallel, that shouldn't be an issue. I thought you were asking about some kind of active telepresence (or an open audio feed) | 22:57 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: nope | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: that's fine | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: fwiw, I'll be creating an etherpad for tracking the work (probably tomorrow) | 22:58 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: great | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | oh, and in the last min. just a heads up now that we're at k3 it's probably time to start thinking about design summit | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | so I'm planning on pushing out a planning etherpad next week to brainstorm ideas | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | I think the approach we took for paris worked out pretty well | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | anyway we're at time, thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 19 23:00:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-19-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-19-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-19-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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| gmann | thanks all | 23:00 |
| masayukig | see you next week | 23:00 |
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