| barrett | got to run to my next meeting... | 00:00 |
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| Rockyg | Let's put that on the next agenda? That will also include reports from the Ops meetup | 00:00 |
| Rockyg | And, it's a wrap. I might not be able to end this. Lemme try. | 00:00 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul check queue stuck due to reboot maintenance window at one of our cloud providers - no need to recheck changes at the moment, they won't move forward." | 00:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 00:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-04-23.00.html | 00:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-04-23.00.txt | 00:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-03-04-23.00.log.html | 00:00 |
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| rolandchan | cool. thanks all | 00:01 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 00:01 |
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| Daisy_ | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 08:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
| Daisy_ | Hello, who is around for i18n meeting ? | 08:01 |
| DeeJay1 | I'm mostly here, but I may get torn back to work without notice | 08:01 |
| anish_ | Hi | 08:01 |
| Daisy_ | Hi, DeeJay1 and anish_ | 08:01 |
| Daisy_ | Nice to see you two here. | 08:01 |
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| ujuc | Hi | 08:02 |
| Daisy_ | I think we should have epico too. | 08:02 |
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| Daisy_ | Hi, ujuc | 08:02 |
| Chandrakant | Hello All | 08:02 |
| anish_ | Hi DeeJay1 epico Daisy_ | 08:02 |
| Chandrakant | Hi Daisy | 08:02 |
| Daisy_ | I have three topics to cover today. | 08:02 |
| ianychoi | Hi. I am from Korea and I am attending here with ujuc : ) | 08:02 |
| koesik | Hi all | 08:02 |
| epico | Hi | 08:02 |
| Chandrakant | I am new member to this group | 08:02 |
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| Daisy_ | Hi, Chandrakant , ianychoi , koesik | 08:02 |
| Daisy_ | Good to see so many new faces here. | 08:03 |
| ujuc | :) | 08:03 |
| Chandrakant | Since I am new to the group i feel i should introduce myself | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | Please, Chandrakant | 08:03 |
| Daisy_ | koesik: where do you from? | 08:03 |
| Chandrakant | I work with C-DAC, Pune and have been into language technolgies since about 10 years now | 08:03 |
| koesik | I am from Korea | 08:04 |
| Chandrakant | C-DAC has worked on Localization of various free and open source softwares in the past and it continues to do so | 08:04 |
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| koesik | i am from #openstack-ko with ujuc and ianychoi | 08:04 |
| Daisy_ | Chandrakant: are you working for redhat ? | 08:04 |
| Chandrakant | I am coordinating the efforts with open source community | 08:04 |
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| Chandrakant | No. I am working with C-DAC ( Centre for development of Advanced Computing) based in Pune | 08:05 |
| Daisy_ | koesik: Nice to meet with you. I'm from China. | 08:05 |
| Daisy_ | OK. Welcome to join us. | 08:05 |
| ianychoi | Nice to meet you all : ) | 08:05 |
| koesik | Daisy_: nice to meet you. | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | let's start the meeting then. | 08:06 |
| Chandrakant | yes please | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | #topic Vancouver summit | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:06 | |
| ianychoi | okay | 08:06 |
| Daisy_ | It's a simple one. Let's start from this one. | 08:07 |
| Chandrakant | Is Chandan Kumar going to join us ? | 08:07 |
| Daisy_ | OpenStack Vancouver summit will be held from May 11 to May 15 | 08:07 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy_: I'm still hoping to go, although I got mixed responses recently. Any leaks about the schedule? ;) | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | Who has plan to go. | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | ? | 08:08 |
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| Daisy_ | On, I make a mistake. | 08:08 |
| Chandrakant | Actually I am not aware of it | 08:08 |
| ianychoi | Unfortunately, Korea is too far.. from Vancouver.. I could not go there. | 08:08 |
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| Daisy_ | OpenStack Vancouver summit will be held from May 18. | 08:08 |
| Daisy_ | DeeJay1: do you have any response to your speech proposal ? | 08:09 |
| ianychoi | Yes. May 18-22 | 08:09 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy_: not yet, neither positive nor negative | 08:09 |
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| Chandrakant | Is there any track for Localization in that conference ? | 08:09 |
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| Daisy_ | No, Chandrakant | 08:10 |
| Daisy_ | But we could discuss openstack localization with developers and infrastructure guys. | 08:10 |
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| Chandrakant | Yes. Its very important | 08:10 |
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| Daisy_ | I have some registration tickets to this summit. | 08:10 |
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| anish_ | cool | 08:11 |
| Daisy_ | especially for our translators. | 08:11 |
| Chandrakant | :) | 08:11 |
| Chandrakant | What does that Ticket include ? | 08:11 |
| Daisy_ | Only the registration. Not include air tickets and hotels. | 08:12 |
| Chandrakant | OK. | 08:12 |
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| DeeJay1 | Chandrakant: I think it's for the full summit, so about 600 USD less | 08:12 |
| Daisy_ | it's a long story to tell about the summit, Chandrakant. I could talk to you off line if you want to know. | 08:13 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. cool. I would like to attend the conference.. but it may be possible this October or the next year.. | 08:13 |
| Chandrakant | Daisy : OK | 08:13 |
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| Chandrakant | Anish..the COOL guy has joined us | 08:14 |
| anish_ | chandankumar, ha ha :) | 08:14 |
| anish_ | Chandrakant, ha ha :) | 08:14 |
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| anish_ | chandankumar, oops | 08:14 |
| Daisy_ | Move to next topic | 08:15 |
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| Daisy_ | #topic Horizon translation check site for Kilo | 08:15 |
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| Daisy_ | It's another long story. | 08:15 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: hope you could jump out. | 08:16 |
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| Daisy_ | Horizon translation for Kilo will be start soon. | 08:16 |
| Daisy_ | Horizon is OpenStack Dashboard. | 08:16 |
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| amotoki | hey | 08:16 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki has a personal machine providing a check site for translators to verify the translation result. | 08:17 |
| Daisy_ | The check site has a test OpenStack environment and a Dashboard. | 08:17 |
| Chandrakant | Link please | 08:18 |
| Daisy_ | Translators could use a simple public account to log in and do simple tests to check their translation qualities. | 08:18 |
| Daisy_ | I think the website is not alive now, amotoki , right ? | 08:18 |
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| Daisy_ | Because OpenStack becomes bigger and bigger, amotoki's machine is not that powerful. | 08:18 |
| amotoki | I just kicked devstack last night but I didnt checked anything. | 08:18 |
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| ianychoi | One question: would it be too difficult to construct the same test OpenStack environment as amotoki established? | 08:19 |
| Daisy_ | He, including other i18n team members, want to move the check site to openstack infrastructure. | 08:19 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. it would be much better. | 08:20 |
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| Daisy_ | I think it's not difficult in a personal environment, but if in openstack infra, it's not a simple situation. | 08:20 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: it is not difficult to run such env itself. | 08:20 |
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| amotoki | but if we move it to the infra, we need to considre who manages, how to manage and some other various policies.. | 08:21 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: I had talked before with infrastructure guys about this requirement. I got back a lot of questions...From the view of openstack infra, they are quite carefully and seriously to make any changes. | 08:21 |
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| amotoki | yes. it is reasonable questions and stance. | 08:22 |
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| Daisy_ | amotoki: infra team have a lot of high priority work to do. If we want to make it happen , we need a person who could dedicate to push. | 08:23 |
| amotoki | agree | 08:23 |
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| Chandrakant | Dont mind but discussion is going above my height.. :) | 08:23 |
| Chandrakant | May be because i am new to the group. | 08:24 |
| Daisy_ | my hands are quite full. I'm so sorry amotoki I cannot be the person. | 08:24 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... if the openstack infrastructure supports that translation environment, it would be great.. but I think the infra guys might want to set up a kind of automated translation envirionment for us.. | 08:24 |
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| Daisy_ | we have that automated translation environment, ianychoi . | 08:25 |
| DeeJay1 | I could do the needed puppet stuff, if I got any requirements and keep it running (that's similar to what I do at work) | 08:25 |
| anish_ | Daisy_, amotoki do you have link for check site? | 08:25 |
| DeeJay1 | but I'm not the best in organizing stuff first :( | 08:25 |
| Daisy_ | DeeJay1: do you have enough spare time now ? | 08:26 |
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| Daisy_ | I mean, to do so many works in OpenStack ? | 08:26 |
| amotoki | this is the link of my recipes: ansible playbook https://github.com/amotoki/ansible-playbook and tools https://github.com/amotoki/horizon-i18n-tools | 08:26 |
| amotoki | the site itself is http://157.7.133.23:13580/ | 08:27 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: do we have a blueprint in openstack infra ? | 08:27 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy_: I think I do | 08:27 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: not sure, but i think they have infra-spec. | 08:27 |
| Daisy_ | ok. | 08:27 |
| Daisy_ | Then we could start from infra-spec. | 08:28 |
| anish_ | amotoki, thanks! | 08:28 |
| Daisy_ | amotoki: do you have time to start a infra-spec thread ? | 08:29 |
| amotoki | Daisy_: have no time in kilo cycle. I am not sure after that. | 08:29 |
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| Daisy_ | ok. Then I start. | 08:30 |
| amotoki | perhaps I must spend very busy day until June. | 08:30 |
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| Daisy_ | We start a spec first, and keep on the update it. We could answer infra guys questions there. Till we have the spec clear, we then find engineers to work on it. | 08:32 |
| Daisy_ | Are you OK with it, amotoki ? | 08:32 |
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| amotoki | sounds good. (sorry late, I am in F2F meeting too.) | 08:33 |
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| Daisy_ | ok. | 08:33 |
| Daisy_ | Next topic | 08:33 |
| ianychoi | okay | 08:33 |
| Daisy_ | #topic Translation test discussion | 08:33 |
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| Daisy_ | Chandrakant: it's not a long story for you. | 08:34 |
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| Daisy_ | We just init a new project, a incubator project, named as i18n-test. | 08:34 |
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| Daisy_ | We want to automate some i18n and localization tests there. | 08:34 |
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| Chandrakant | Great ! | 08:35 |
| Daisy_ | We want to make sure OpeNStack could run well in non-English environment. | 08:35 |
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| ianychoi | Wow cool | 08:35 |
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| kzaitsev_ | How does that work? ) I'm actually here for that part of discussion =) | 08:35 |
| Daisy_ | The project is just in the beginning | 08:35 |
| Daisy_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/i18n-test | 08:35 |
| Daisy_ | Here are some test cases. | 08:35 |
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| Daisy_ | We are looking for more engineers to join. | 08:36 |
| Daisy_ | Actually, I even don't know how to start . | 08:37 |
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| ianychoi | For #1, how about 'Command line i18n test with specifying language'? | 08:37 |
| ianychoi | It seems that the command line only supports in English .. | 08:37 |
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| Daisy_ | I don't know it is different in Korean. But in China, if I run a command line in a Chinese environment, and input a Chinese parameter, I hope the command line could (1) handle the Chinese characters correctly (2) response messages in Chinese. | 08:39 |
| ianychoi | Aha thanks for your explanation. I am understanding it better.. | 08:39 |
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| Daisy_ | ianychoi: do you think it make sense in Korea | 08:40 |
| Daisy_ | ? | 08:40 |
| ianychoi | I think one problem might be font problems. I am not sure in China. But for Korean letters, there are some additional usual problems. 1) encoding 2) fonts 3) termianl visualization for Korean letters .. | 08:42 |
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| kzaitsev_ | As for my project — I'm actually concerned, that it might not even run correctly after translation. Even though user-faced strings are mostly passed through translation suite, str is used here and there. And string interpolation of unicode strings into non-unicode strings might happen. So I would be very glad to have at least a sanity-check suite =) | 08:43 |
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| Chandrakant | I think similar issues could occur for Indic languages as well. | 08:44 |
| Daisy_ | OpenStack has a project called Tempest. | 08:45 |
| Daisy_ | to handle integration test. | 08:45 |
| Daisy_ | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/ | 08:46 |
| Daisy_ | I think, i18n test could follow the same architecture of tempest. | 08:46 |
| anish_ | Daisy_, ohh okay did not know that, need to look into it | 08:47 |
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| ianychoi | And it might be much better if the test would support 'differential test'. It means when I translate a few words more, and then I would like to just see whether those more words work or not.. (sorry for my poor English...) | 08:49 |
| Daisy_ | ianychoi: you want to test the i18n mechanism works, or you want to see your translation quality ? | 08:50 |
| ianychoi | I meant my translation quality. Is it different from the automated test discussing now? | 08:51 |
| Daisy_ | I think they are different. | 08:51 |
| Daisy_ | the mechanism test could be automatic, yet the quality check must be done manually | 08:51 |
| ianychoi | Then, which i18n mechanism works would be supported in the automated test? | 08:52 |
| Daisy_ | yes. | 08:52 |
| Daisy_ | i18n test is to test i18n mechanism works well. It could use fack translation strings. | 08:53 |
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| ianychoi | I see.. for example, some po files could be broken? | 08:54 |
| Daisy_ | yes, I think this error should be included. | 08:54 |
| Daisy_ | this error should be tested. | 08:54 |
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| ianychoi | Then, how about detecting encoding-error characters? | 08:55 |
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| Daisy_ | that should be included too. | 08:55 |
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| Daisy_ | This project is quite new | 08:56 |
| Daisy_ | I'm calling more people to join. | 08:56 |
| ianychoi | Aha... yep | 08:56 |
| Daisy_ | if any of you want to join, please send email to me: daisy.ycguo@gmail.com or ping me in IRC. | 08:57 |
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| Daisy_ | so let's change topics to open discussions. | 08:57 |
| Daisy_ | #topic Open discussions | 08:57 |
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| Daisy_ | If no topics, I will close the meeting then. | 08:58 |
| DeeJay1 | nothing from me | 08:59 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 08:59 |
| DeeJay1 | we're out of time anyway :) | 08:59 |
| ujuc | +1 | 08:59 |
| Daisy_ | Thank you for attending. | 08:59 |
| Chandrakant | Daisy: For better understanding of Open Stack project and related matters, i will talk to you offline | 08:59 |
| Daisy_ | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 08:59:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-05-08.00.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-05-08.00.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-03-05-08.00.log.html | 08:59 |
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| anish_ | thank you Daisy_ | 09:00 |
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| ianychoi | Thank you for all the attending guys! : ) | 09:00 |
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| DeeJay1 | as usual we're still at #openstack-translation ;) | 09:01 |
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| sdague | who's around for the nova meeting? | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
| sdague | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| bauzas | bot on vacation ? | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 14:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| bauzas | ah | 14:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:01 |
| ndipanov | o/ | 14:01 |
| sdague | ok, it might be a light meeting, mikal asked me to chair because he couldn't make it | 14:01 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova - today's agenda | 14:02 |
| dims | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe- | o/ | 14:02 |
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| lxsli | o/ | 14:02 |
| sdague | #topic Kilo Release Status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| * bauzas waves again | 14:02 | |
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| sdague | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze has now hit | 14:02 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | can we still accept changes that are not explicitely linked to bugs in the commit msg ? | 14:03 |
| sdague | so... basically patches need to be up now for features for consideration. mikal has a note in the agenda to remember to mark blueprints as NeedsCodeReview | 14:03 |
| * alex_xu follow the wave | 14:03 | |
| sdague | bauzas: yes, I think so still at this point | 14:03 |
| sdague | but, I'll defer to mikal or john for sure on that | 14:03 |
| bauzas | sdague: ok because I understand the rule for patches implementing blueprints, I was just wondering for those which are actually saying nothing, neither BPs nor bugs | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | last point, what about bugs which are marked as wishlist ? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:04 |
| * lxsli watches bauzas file all the serial numbers off his patches | 14:05 | |
| sdague | so, that's a good point, we should get mikal and john to set the ground rules for that | 14:05 |
| ndipanov | for wishlist? | 14:05 |
| sdague | #action sdague to poke mikal about what's still approvable | 14:05 |
| ndipanov | ok | 14:05 |
| sdague | wishlist bugs are almost always features | 14:05 |
| sdague | that's what we use it for | 14:05 |
| ndipanov | right | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | sdague: agreed, hence my question | 14:05 |
| bauzas | wishlist bugs are feature slash bug | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | so we can see either the empty half of the bottle or the contrary | 14:06 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't want to mispeak on this one, my suggestion is take it to the list | 14:06 |
| sdague | ok, lets move on to priorities | 14:07 |
| bauzas | ack | 14:07 |
| sdague | #topic Kilo Priorities | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Priorities (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| sdague | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 14:07 |
| sdague | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:07 |
| sdague | anyone have priority items that seem to be stalling on reviews? | 14:08 |
| * sdague needs to remember to list his function test patch stack under the functional test item there | 14:08 | |
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| sdague | going once? going twice? | 14:09 |
| alaski | cells could always use reviews, but there have been some recently so it's not really stalled | 14:09 |
| bauzas | as we're close to FF, can we just make sure that cores are reading that etherpad quick on a daily basis ? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | the same as for alaski | 14:09 |
| bauzas | FF is in 2 weeks IIRC | 14:09 |
| ndipanov | but there are no patches on that etherpad | 14:09 |
| sdague | ndipanov: the patches are on - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:09 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:10 |
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| sdague | I wonder if there is a small enough number of topics to build a dashboard for these? | 14:10 |
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| ndipanov | nice | 14:10 |
| sdague | which I would find easier than the etherpad | 14:10 |
| ndipanov | will look at those | 14:10 |
| sdague | ndipanov awesome, thanks | 14:11 |
| sdague | #action sdague to try to figure out if we can dashboard the priority reviews by topic or commit message | 14:11 |
| sdague | ok, anything else on priorities? | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | sdague: etherpads can't be scrubbed | 14:12 |
| sdague | bauzas: ? | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | sdague: so we need to set the priority list on wiki | 14:12 |
| bauzas | sdague: I mean that we can't get the list off the etherpad by fetching it | 14:12 |
| sdague | bauzas: we should be able to | 14:12 |
| bauzas | sdague: but that's details, let's discuss it offline | 14:12 |
| sdague | yep, sounds good | 14:13 |
| sdague | ok, next topic is slightly cryptic. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | sdague: I already have a script for scrubbing a wikipage and generating a dashboard | 14:13 |
| bauzas | (btw.) | 14:13 |
| sdague | #topic EC2 deprecation | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC2 deprecation (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:13 | |
| sdague | #info Mikal has had a conversation with Thierry and Tom Fifield and believes he understands the way forward | 14:13 |
| sdague | I don't actually know what that way is | 14:13 |
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| sdague | but hopefully that does mean we're still deprecating EC2 in kilo | 14:14 |
| sdague | will need mikal back around to share that info | 14:14 |
| edleafe | First Fermat, now mikal... | 14:14 |
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| sdague | edleafe: :) | 14:14 |
| markus_z | hehe | 14:14 |
| bauzas | s/scrub/scrap (for the records) | 14:14 |
| sdague | #topic Gate status | 14:14 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| sdague | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 14:14 |
| sdague | so... everything was a mess earlier in the week, mostly due to floating ip leakage in hp cloud, and rax rebooting the world for xen vulnerabilities | 14:15 |
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| sdague | however, it looks like both of those are addressed now, and we should be back to full capacity | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | some weird behaviour is happening now with patch series complaining that dependencies can't be merged while they *are* mergeable, sdague do you know about it ? | 14:16 |
| sdague | bauzas: "This change depends on a change that failed to merge."? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | sdague: exactly | 14:16 |
| sdague | yeh, that's apparently a bug in 'Depends-On' implementation | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I mean that's a question I should ask to infra | 14:17 |
| sdague | there is a storyboard bit for it | 14:17 |
| bauzas | but in case you were having some secret info | 14:17 |
| bauzas | oh ok | 14:17 |
| sdague | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000189 | 14:17 |
| bauzas | sdague: awesome, thanks | 14:18 |
| sdague | probably worth adding some additional reference reviews there | 14:18 |
| sdague | infra is putting zuul into debug mode to figure out what's going on | 14:18 |
| bauzas | sure, will do | 14:18 |
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| dansmith | sdague: I know we've missed it, but I did talk to mikal about the deprecation thing and the results of that meeting | 14:19 |
| sdague | #info Depends-On support has caused some bugs with "This change depends on a change that failed to merge." please add affected reviews https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000189 | 14:19 |
| sdague | dansmith: ok, let's jump back there in a sec | 14:19 |
| sdague | anything else on gate? | 14:19 |
| sdague | #topic EC2 Deprecation (redux) | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC2 Deprecation (redux) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:20 | |
| sdague | dansmith: ok, want to fill us in? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | I think he's planning a mail or a comment on that patch or something, but it sounds like the bottom line is: we can't use the word deprecation | 14:20 |
| dansmith | for whatever "can't" means in this case | 14:20 |
| dansmith | I think he thinks that deprecation is the right word, and I surely do | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I don't think the _act_ of deprecating is the problem at all at this point | 14:21 |
| dansmith | but rather just a quibble over the term | 14:21 |
| sdague | ok, will eagerly await his mail on that | 14:22 |
| dansmith | we should remind him | 14:22 |
| dansmith | because this was like two days ago... | 14:22 |
| sdague | yeh | 14:22 |
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| sdague | I think he's off on some camping trip with his kids school | 14:22 |
| dansmith | ah | 14:22 |
| sdague | ok, moving on | 14:22 |
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| sdague | #topic Bugs | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:22 | |
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| sdague | the trivial bug list remains pretty handy | 14:23 |
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| * mriedem-away lurks | 14:24 | |
| sdague | anyone else have some hot bugs that they'd like to raise? (as we've got a bit of time) | 14:24 |
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| sdague | we can cycle back in open discussion if needed | 14:24 |
| sdague | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:25 |
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| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159759/ | 14:25 |
| mriedem-away | just in time | 14:25 |
| mriedem-away | i added that one | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | yes | 14:25 |
| mriedem-away | could use a few more eyes | 14:25 |
| mriedem-away | basically, removing the @requires_admin_context for service_create in the db api | 14:25 |
| bauzas | yeah we're removing a safety belt | 14:26 |
| mriedem-away | there are no API entry points to service create | 14:26 |
| mriedem-away | so i don't really see a need to remove the decorator in the db api, regardless of the fact you can just elevate your context in code or get the global admin context to satisfy the decorator | 14:26 |
| alaski | because there are no API entry points I think it's fine, though I understand the concern | 14:26 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, I'd rather remove it | 14:26 |
| sdague | because it seems like a really weird layer violation now that those permissions checking are at a higher level | 14:27 |
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| * mdbooth looked at that and also wasn't in favour of removal, btw | 14:27 | |
| mriedem-away | i'm not vehemently opposed or anything, just wanted to bring it up for broader discussion | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | It's a belt a braces thing, and it's not as if the check is expensive | 14:27 |
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| dansmith | but it's useless | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | It doesn't call out to anything, for eg | 14:27 |
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| sdague | right, it's both useless, because it's trivially bypassable in code | 14:28 |
| dansmith | it's checking a boolean in a dict passed over an unsecured channel | 14:28 |
| alaski | checks like that also lead to using elevated contexts more than necessary | 14:28 |
| sdague | and it's inconsistent because if it ever does get used, you can get conflicting checks | 14:28 |
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| sdague | we've decided to do permission checking at a different layer, we should do that, and remove it from this layer | 14:28 |
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| mriedem-away | works for me | 14:29 |
| dims | mriedem-away: do we need a owner for this "Critical" bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1323658 | 14:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323658 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | dims: probably not critical anymore, it was a gate issue a long time ago | 14:29 |
| dims | mriedem: ack will lower the priority | 14:30 |
| mriedem | oh nvm | 14:30 |
| mriedem | jogo recently upped it | 14:30 |
| sdague | ok, so I'm going to +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159759/ | 14:30 |
| dims | gah! flipped it back | 14:30 |
| sdague | mriedem: you happy enough to flip votes o nthat? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | sdague: just did | 14:30 |
| sdague | mriedem: cool | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i'll let alaski +W if he wants | 14:30 |
| sdague | sounds good | 14:31 |
| alex_xu | thanks all, cool for get aggrement | 14:31 |
| bauzas | did I too for those who're interested: ) | 14:31 |
| ndipanov | sdague, dansmith https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155833/ | 14:31 |
| alaski | mriedem: sdague just did | 14:31 |
| sdague | ok, so dims's bug | 14:31 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: yeah, I saw that, was going to ask after the meeting what the deal is | 14:31 |
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| ndipanov | dansmith, removed it | 14:31 |
| ndipanov | but see comment on previous patch | 14:32 |
| ndipanov | that has already merged | 14:32 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: link? it's merged now so it's hard to see what it was | 14:32 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155832/8 | 14:32 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: anyway, this isn't stuck I don't think so we should let the meeting continue | 14:32 |
| dansmith | thanks | 14:32 |
| sdague | ok, so are there other stuck reviews | 14:33 |
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| sdague | then we can discussion dims bug in open discussion | 14:33 |
| mriedem | probably this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159890/ | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | now that i see a -2 on it | 14:33 |
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| dansmith | whoa | 14:34 |
| sdague | right, the evacuate saving through patch | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | nice d&d ref | 14:34 |
| mriedem | i'm just reading through latest comments now so we could probably move on too | 14:35 |
| sdague | ok, so I was +2 on that as a workaround because it seemed like we wanted to fix evacuate for reals in liberty | 14:35 |
| sdague | but I guess we'll just take that to the review or the mailing list | 14:35 |
| sdague | other stuff things? | 14:35 |
| sdague | stuck things? | 14:35 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | sdague: I've been -1 all along because it requires the user to manually, pre-emptively enable an obtuse knob for something which might lose their data. | 14:36 |
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| dims | back to this "Critical" bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1323658 | 14:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323658 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | There are a couple of proposed fixes in the comments. | 14:36 |
| sdague | dims: yep | 14:36 |
| sdague | so critical bug, would be good to have an owner on that to dive on it | 14:37 |
| sdague | any volunteers? | 14:37 |
| * dims doesn't know enough to own it | 14:37 | |
| sdague | we should probably figure out if we can get a smaller reproduce case. | 14:38 |
| mriedem | mestery said he had reproduced locally in the bug comments | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | as i recall when this showed up we had a lot of random ssh failures (the other #1 gate bug for a long time) | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | so this got lost in the mix | 14:39 |
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| sdague | yeh | 14:39 |
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| sdague | so I think what we actually need is test which reproduces it more often, which might be as simple as a modification of the tempest test to just do this a lot more | 14:40 |
| sdague | or in a tight loop | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | there are multiple comments that it's related to reboot | 14:41 |
| mriedem | or shows up more often in reboot scenarios | 14:41 |
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| sdague | ok, well lets take actually sorting out the bug to an offline state | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | there have been long known issues with soft reboot and how we don't test it in tempest, because we can't tell when we actually did a soft reboot and didn't just fallback to hard reboot | 14:42 |
| mriedem | alright | 14:42 |
| sdague | mriedem: are you up for building a summary comment at the end of the bug for what's in there and been tried? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | probably not this second, my day hasn't really started yet :) | 14:42 |
| sdague | because it's a rambling conversation in the bug at this point, and it's pretty hard to follow | 14:42 |
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| sdague | mriedem: sure, but after coffee :) | 14:42 |
| mriedem | i'll see what i can do | 14:43 |
| sdague | thanks | 14:43 |
| sdague | #info need bug owner for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1323658 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323658 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:43 |
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| sdague | #action mriedem will attempt to summarize the 46 comments so far to level set on the bug | 14:44 |
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| sdague | ok, any other open discussion topics? | 14:44 |
| dims | :) yay mriedem | 14:44 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: I actually had one for you, it seems weird that we've got 2 sets of tests in tree for api samples, one for v2 one for v3 | 14:45 |
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| sdague | it seems like we should only have 1, as the APIs should all be the same nwo | 14:45 |
| sdague | redrobot: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:rm_v3_paste,n,z | 14:45 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, but we didn't merge them yet | 14:46 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: ok, lets talk after the meeting, I had another idea about it | 14:46 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: I saw Gman is working on it | 14:46 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 14:46 |
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| sdague | any other open discussion? | 14:47 |
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| sdague | if not, we can shut down the meeting and get back to real work | 14:47 |
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| sdague | going once. | 14:47 |
| sdague | going twice. | 14:47 |
| sdague | ok, thanks folks. | 14:47 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 14:47:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-05-14.01.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-05-14.01.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-05-14.01.log.html | 14:47 |
| edleafe | thanks sdague | 14:48 |
| lxsli | Thanks for running | 14:48 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 15:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| linuxhermit | o/ | 15:01 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | hey folks | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo-3 status | 15:03 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:03 |
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| ityaptin | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:03 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | so folks, the feature proposal freeze is supposed to be today, March 5th | 15:04 |
| eglynn | the idea is to have initial patches proposed approx 2 weeks before the third milestone | 15:05 |
| eglynn | to avoid the gate rush and review crunch | 15:05 |
| ildikov | it seems to me that we are good on this part | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | so I think we're good apart from the config-db-api and conf-datastore-agents | 15:06 |
| gordc | ityaptin: sorry to bother you again, but do you think you guys will have event bracketing work available? | 15:06 |
| gordc | or i guess this will be a liberty feature. | 15:06 |
| eglynn | gordc: is that currently targeted at k-3? | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: i was hoping but tbh, if we have no code today i'm guessing it'll be a liberty thing | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeap, seems likely ... though we could consider an exception/extension of a few days if it was close | 15:08 |
| ityaptin | gordc: I think it's liberty feature. Today I won't finish even first patchset of it. Also we have several important questions about implementation. | 15:08 |
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| _nadya_ | guys, what about a spec from Ironic guys? is it too late? searching for a link... | 15:08 |
| gordc | ityaptin: sure. | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin: OK, shout if an extension of a few days would help ... otherwise let's bump | 15:09 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: it is only spec currently, right? | 15:09 |
| _nadya_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130359/3 | 15:09 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: AFAIU, yes | 15:09 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i'll vouch for the ironic item. it's actually relatively small (just adding a listener for their new format) | 15:09 |
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| gordc | only big issue i think is the naming change for existing meters | 15:10 |
| eglynn | gordc: is the implementation started do you know? | 15:10 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: yep, agree | 15:10 |
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| gordc | eglynn: that i don't know. i think they were waiting for ceilometer spec approval | 15:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: the backwards comptability again ;) | 15:11 |
| eglynn | i.e. we could land the spec, but targeting a BP after FPF seems a bit too late unless the implementation is effectively done already and waiting to be proposed | 15:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: eglynn: I think so too that there are only blueprints | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: in that case, seems like the spec could be landed, moved to liberty directory, then impl target'd for liberty-1 | 15:12 |
| gordc | does ironic follow same release schedule? is there a concern to listening to a format that might not be implemented yet? | 15:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: yeap same schedule since they garduated in juno | 15:12 |
| ildikov | eglynn: it was my opinion too especially that we need to clarify how big issue the meter name change is... | 15:12 |
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| gordc | eglynn: ah ok. so we're really dependent on them. | 15:13 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: in the email they said that there are some k-targeter bps in ironic which depend on ceilo one | 15:13 |
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| gordc | i'll check with NobodyCam today | 15:13 |
| eglynn | ok, thanks gordc | 15:14 |
| gordc | _nadya_: weird cross dependencies. got it. | 15:14 |
| ildikov | I don't really get why they depend on us | 15:14 |
| ildikov | we only consume these notifications but any other tool can consume it too | 15:15 |
| gordc | ildikov: based on yesterday's chat, NobodyCam wanted to confirm that the format was ok... basically the notification will be a list of meters which ironic defines and we just loop through | 15:16 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, right, I forgot about that part, thanks | 15:16 |
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| gordc | ildikov: that could throw our measurements docs out of sync. not sure how we'd handle that. | 15:17 |
| ildikov | gordc: the names you mean, or? | 15:17 |
| gordc | right... or well we don't know what meters will be generated as they can add/remove meters as they please | 15:18 |
| gordc | i guess something to ask on spec | 15:18 |
| ildikov | gordc: yes, good point, I got stuck at the payload side | 15:18 |
| cdent | long term we shouldn't own or care about meter names... | 15:18 |
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| cdent | but unfortunately long term is not now | 15:19 |
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| ildikov | cdent: it is hard to process metrics if you don't know what is collected | 15:19 |
| gordc | cdent: i like the self dose of reality. | 15:19 |
| eglynn | cdent: notification producer decides on the meter names? | 15:19 |
| cdent | the deployer should know what names are being used in their environment | 15:19 |
| cdent | the metric gathering subsystem should be able to deal with whatever | 15:20 |
| cdent | if I want to count my ponies in ceilometer, I should be able to do that | 15:20 |
| cdent | (I have very special ponies) | 15:20 |
| ildikov | cdent: it is more difficult than this as billing systems or any other can rely on Ceilometer theorethically | 15:20 |
| eglynn | so make the notification -> meter-name mapping effectively configurable? | 15:20 |
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| cdent | is billing systems need fixed names then having some kind of aliasing overlay probably makes sense | 15:21 |
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| cdent | but in the guts we should just accept what's given | 15:21 |
| ildikov | cdent: but how distros and products are created metrics should be known earlier as deployment time IMHO | 15:21 |
| cdent | and that should be up to the distros and products | 15:21 |
| ildikov | cdent: and what will you alias on? | 15:21 |
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| cdent | ceilometer is overreachign by trying to own names | 15:22 |
| cdent | it creates a coupling that doesn't have to be there | 15:22 |
| ildikov | but I think we should move on as this is just a theorethical discussion | 15:22 |
| cdent | (I think this is a debate worth having, but probably not how, perhaps at summit, or some other time0 | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | cdent: some of the things we gather data on are derived from the primary measurements | 15:23 |
| gordc | more discussion than i thought.lol i guess technically regardless if ironic (any other service) gives us meter names, we can still choose to remap them or not so i don't think it affects ironic's payload format. | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | ... i.e. via transformers | 15:23 |
| eglynn | ... so the meter exists entirely withing the ceilometer space | 15:23 |
| eglynn | *within | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ok, perhaps a debate for another day | 15:24 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:24 | |
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| eglynn | ok, let's move on and talk about releasing some delicious pasta | 15:25 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, it's not about the format, but the fact that we don't know much about how many types of sensors exist, but let's bring this to the review on gerrit | 15:25 |
| gordc | sounds good. | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | #topic gnocchi release plan | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | jd__: so I think it's fair to say that the thinking was evolved a bit on this topic | 15:26 |
| jd__ | I think so | 15:26 |
| eglynn | previously we talked about "big tenting" gnocchi | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | though it seems kinda useless, e.g. we don't want a new PTL | 15:27 |
| jd__ | or a whole different team of people | 15:27 |
| eglynn | yeah, I had thought that the PTL requirement had been dropped during the governance gerrit reviews | 15:27 |
| eglynn | ... but seemingly not from the wiki | 15:27 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewProjectTeams | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I think Gnocchi is too close to Ceilo to require big tenting | 15:28 |
| ildikov | I guess the plan is to have a close integartion between Ceilo and Gnocchi, so it makes sense to me to have almost the same group of people etc. | 15:28 |
| eglynn | yeah, I'm tending to agree | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | so I think the next step is to do a first gnocchi release around the k3 milestone releases | 15:29 |
| jd__ | then move gnocchi from stackforge/ to openstack/ | 15:29 |
| jd__ | adding it to the Ceilometer list of projects in some governance repo I guess | 15:29 |
| * gordc looks forward to first release. | 15:29 | |
| jd__ | and then doing a final release around Kilo, a 1.0 of Gnocchi, that would work with Ceilometer Kilo | 15:29 |
| ildikov | jd__: so it will live under the Telemetry umbrella, right? | 15:29 |
| jd__ | and drink tons of champagne | 15:29 |
| jd__ | ildikov: yup | 15:29 |
| ildikov | jd__: cool | 15:30 |
| eglynn | should we reverse the ordering there, first move gnocchi from stackforge to the openstack namespace in git before releasing? | 15:30 |
| ildikov | jd__: and also the plan is nice :) | 15:30 |
| jd__ | eglynn: before releasing around kilo-3? as you wish | 15:30 |
| jd__ | I can send the moving patches right now | 15:30 |
| eglynn | i.e. so that the gnocchi releases all come from the same "source" | 15:30 |
| jd__ | sure | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | jd__ do you want to propose the governance patch or should I? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'll do it | 15:32 |
| eglynn | jd__: coolness, I'll +1 fwiw | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | I wouldn't think otherwise | 15:32 |
| eglynn | cool :) | 15:33 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | jd__: so the initial release around k-3 timeframe, should that be designated as alpha or some-such? | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... then do the gnocchi-1.0 around the time the 2015.1 tag is dropped? | 15:34 |
| jd__ | yeap | 15:34 |
| jd__ | 1.0a for k3? | 15:34 |
| jd__ | that sounds semver compliant | 15:34 |
| jd__ | 1.0a1 either | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | cool, yeah a1 seems to give more flexibility to have an a2, a3 ... | 15:34 |
| ccrouch-afk | have we enumerated what the feature list target is for the gnocchi-1.0 release? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | we have a spreadsheet with the remaining missing features | 15:36 |
| eglynn | ccrouch-afk: most of gnocchi work has been off-launchpad so lacks blueprints | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ju8a4PVOJDzL_L-7d_E948cwmZeGugW3SkqN9p5fjtk/edit#gid=0 | 15:36 |
| jd__ | other than that the documentation should cover the features we have | 15:36 |
| jd__ | (or we should be blamed and the doc should be updated) | 15:36 |
| ccrouch | jd__: perfect, thanks for the link | 15:37 |
| eglynn | also we could also provide release notes with a list of features, would be a useful pattern for the delta between a1/a2, a2/a3 etc. | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I think no project ever did that, do you have an idea on how we should do that? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | a mail, a changelog file? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: manually :) | 15:39 |
| eglynn | like the release notes that we provide for integrated projects | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | manually written wiki pages | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: yeap, docco does not believe in evolution... | 15:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: do we need access to any tooling from the rel-mgmt folks to cut the release? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... or just drop a signed tag? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think we just need to push a tab and do some LP stuff but I'll find out | 15:41 |
| jd__ | s/tab/tag/ | 15:41 |
| jd__ | I'm used to do Oslo lib releases | 15:41 |
| eglynn | yeah, I've only done client/middleware releases, which is effectively just git tag -s | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | the other thing to consider is downstream packaging | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | once the a1 release is done, we'll scurry off and cook up some rpms for fedora | 15:43 |
| eglynn | that'll be an interesting exercise | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | should smoke out some interesting transitive deps that aren't packaged or up to date | 15:43 |
| eglynn | however there is the whole other world of deb/ubuntu packaging | 15:44 |
| eglynn | so I think some reaching out to the ubuntu folks, Chuck Short et al, will be needed | 15:44 |
| jd__ | yup | 15:45 |
| jd__ | I'll check with zigo too | 15:45 |
| eglynn | to give them a heads-up that they should look into .deb-ifying this thing | 15:45 |
| eglynn | jd__: coolness, thanks | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | what about puppet? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | should we be trying to generate some interest from the puppeteers? | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | in cooking up a puppet-gnocchi module | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | or extend puppet-ceilo? | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | if the latter, that kinda walks away from the standalon gnocchi usecase | 15:46 |
| eglynn | *standalone | 15:47 |
| cdent | I think both is probably right. | 15:47 |
| cdent | there needs to be a gnocchi module to stand up a gnocchi | 15:47 |
| eglynn | agreed | 15:47 |
| cdent | but then it's also necessary to configure ceilo to use it | 15:47 |
| eglynn | yeap, that makes sense | 15:47 |
| eglynn | so is the bet here to try and drum up some interest in the openstack puppet "community"? | 15:48 |
| eglynn | ... loosely defined as the openstack folks who do puppet | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | ok, that sounds like one for the back-burner | 15:50 |
| eglynn | let's get the release and packaging done first | 15:50 |
| jd__ | there's already a gnocchi module AFAIK | 15:51 |
| jd__ | EmilienM worked on that | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:51 |
| eglynn | a-ha, coolness | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | eglynn: jd__ : we (installer guys) are testing it currently | 15:51 |
| eglynn | #link https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-gnocchi | 15:52 |
| jd__ | he's that good | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | with Ceph & Swift backends | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | wowser! :) | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | eglynn: do you need anything ? | 15:52 |
| jd__ | he's writing puppet for software we did not even wrote yet I'm sure | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | jd__: ahah, it's true. At least we are on time when you release it ;-) | 15:52 |
| eglynn | EmilienM: well you've already answered our need, I think :) | 15:52 |
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| EmilienM | cool, cheers | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | coolness, that is good news, ahead of the curve :) | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | anything else on that? | 15:53 |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| ildikov | one thing from me quickly | 15:54 |
| eglynn | shoot | 15:55 |
| ildikov | if someone would not be aware the Measurements section has been moved to OpenStack Manuals: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_telemetry-measurements.html | 15:55 |
| jd__ | EmilienM: I'll have to talk to you about aodh then :p | 15:55 |
| ildikov | this does not mean that no more documentation writing is needed, it will only go to another repo | 15:55 |
| eglynn | ildikov: cool | 15:56 |
| eglynn | ildikov: you mentioned before scripting the updates | 15:56 |
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| ildikov | it's not an issue if the commiter does not want to write it | 15:56 |
| ildikov | so just a quick heads again on the DocImpact flag and on correcting the references in the specs | 15:56 |
| * gordc realises how useful the docimpact flag is | 15:57 | |
| ildikov | also if something does not seem to be straight forward then I would suggest to ask the author of a patch to clarify what a meter actually means in the commit message | 15:57 |
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| gordc | we should probably start enforcing that a bit more. | 15:57 |
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| ildikov | gordc: huge +1 :) | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: so add the DocImpact on the implementation patch | 15:58 |
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| ildikov | so the more information is in the commit message the easier to write the docco in OS Manuals | 15:58 |
| eglynn | ildikov: ... but can you explain "correcting the references in specs"? | 15:58 |
| ildikov | sure, I saw some patches in ceilometer-specs, which includes the old page, which exists, but contains only a link | 15:59 |
| ildikov | I think it is better to clarify at the beginning how the documentation impact has changed | 15:59 |
| eglynn | ildikov: a-ha got it | 15:59 |
| ildikov | and maybe point the imprtance of properly describing the new meter(s) in the commit message | 16:00 |
| ildikov | especially in case of Libvirt meters there were some misunderstanding that which meter means what and it's ugly, when you have to serch for the domain stats in the Libvirt API reference to find the info | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | cool, we're outta time | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | thanks for your time! | 16:01 |
| gordc | laters folks | 16:01 |
| ildikov | that's all, thanks :) | 16:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 16:01 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:01 |
| gentux | o/ | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 16:01:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-05-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-05-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-05-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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| dtroyer | do we have anyone here for the OSC meeting? | 19:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | well this might be short | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 19:03 |
| stevemar | o/ | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | terrylhowe: ping? | 19:04 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i was crafting a fun email announcing oslo policy | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | here | 19:04 |
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| terrylhowe | thanks for the ping | 19:04 |
| stevemar | we need a big ping message for folks :) | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | I'll add that to my notes | 19:04 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: who else are we missing? | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | i'm here | 19:05 |
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| stevemar | lin | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | I think we have the major contributors | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 19:05:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#05_Mar_2015 | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | I believe all three actions from last week are completed, anyone have anything to say about them? | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | (planning to talk about cliff in a minute) | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | ok, cool | 19:08 |
| stevemar | nice to have the meeting time picked out | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | #topic project status | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | Let's start with cliff. | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann, looks like there was agreement to move it here on the ML? | 19:09 |
| stevemar | looks like no one complained about the suggestion | 19:09 |
| stevemar | dims and bnemec were in support of it | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think it's safe to propose changing ownership | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I've added it to the etherpad already. | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | also, mordred suggested os-client-config be added too so I added that too. comment? | 19:10 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know what that is | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer | it is a lib that reads a yaml file for cloud config, allowing you to define multiple clouds and use that config rather than always spcifying the multiple auth and region values | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, added where? | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/os-client-config | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | added to the OSC project repo list | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: as a repo managed by this team | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | he developed it for his shade project, I think there are a couple of other users for o-c-c already too | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | the nice thing is that we'll all have a single config file for this | 19:13 |
| stevemar | we're just adding to our army now | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | and y'all thought jamie and I were joking about taking over the world in HK… | 19:13 |
| stevemar | the only issue i see with that is that it might be too much to ask in one request? | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | I’m looking forward to have o-c-c in there | 19:14 |
| stevemar | graduate osc, oh and pull in cliff, also move occ from stackforge | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I don't think that will be an issue, but if it is we can do multiple steps. | 19:14 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: would submit them separately, if there are concerns, but let's start with one request. | 19:14 |
| dhellmann | heh | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | o-c-c is going to be the most work I think, moving it out of stackforge | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | sounds good to me then | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | ok, if we're good with this I'll submit the review and send email. | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | IIRc there may not be a TC meeting next week so it might be a bit before anything happens | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | even if we do meet, we might not discuss this proposal because of the timing | 19:16 |
| mordred | ola! | 19:16 |
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| * mordred has read backscroll, agrees with everything | 19:17 | |
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| dtroyer | #action dtroyer to submit project proposal review including cliff and os-client-config | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | #topic release schedule | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | In the agenda I suggested we look at a release next week, we have a good pile of fixed bugs finished. | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | One thing we should discuss is whether the —os-cloud support should be included. | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | that is a lot to iron out by 3/9 | 19:19 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, maybe one more release without occ? | 19:19 |
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| stevemar | we'll push a lot of fixes by releasing something soon | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | given that it hasn't merged yet, I agree | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I'd like to have some working time on it | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | yeah, agreed | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | I would like to get the first patch of that series merged, the one tht moves the auth plugin code to auth_plugins.py as that fixes an existing problem | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | anything else that should be included that isn't done yet? | 19:21 |
| stevemar | that one seems OK to include, it's just shuffling the plugin around | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | subnet crud would be nice, but that isn’t merged yet either | 19:22 |
| * dhellmann adds osc reviews to his todo list for tomorrow | 19:22 | |
| dtroyer | there are 7 bugs targeted for m8 still open | 19:22 |
| stevemar | what about lhcheng's changes? | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1423748 hypervisor commands should be easily doable | 19:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423748 in python-openstackclient "Add support for hypervisor-stats and hypervisor-uptime command" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Lin Hua Cheng (lin-hua-cheng) | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | that one stevemar? | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, yessum | 19:24 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i haven't had a chance to review them much, but i saw that you went a few rounds with it | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | i had two hesitations: the uptie one just includes a standard uptime(1) output string, seems we might want to clean that up a bit | 19:25 |
| stevemar | also this one seems important https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156107/1 | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | and I wanted to confirm creating a new 'hypervisor stats' object was the Right Thing | 19:25 |
| dhellmann | oh, fun, I didn't think we were going to do admin commands | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | yes, that one was next. I think Iw as just waiting for clean tests | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | +A | 19:26 |
| stevemar | k | 19:26 |
| stevemar | did you want pretty output for the uptime one? | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: most of identity is admin commands, we've gone back and forth on those | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, not arguing, just catching up :-) | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: I was thinking about breaking down the actual uptime value, and maybe the load avg values into their own fields | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | that would make it easier to use different output formatters | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: I'm open for thoughs there. One idea was to put them into a plugin so users don't get them by default, but that might be annoying | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | re admin | 19:28 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: I sort of like that. An openstackclient-admin package. | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | it would be nice if the service catalog would only give admin urls if they were allowed | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: figure out how to do that (policy is the problem) and a lot of people will be very happy ;) | 19:29 |
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| lhcheng | dtroyer: so the uptime value is "16:05:22 up 7:09, 5 users, load average: 0.29, 0.68, 0.59", should we split it into three fields? | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | #idea think about putting known admin-only commands into a separate package/plugin | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | lhcheng: is the user count important? | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | I count 4 values there, unless you want the load average as 3 separate items then it's 6 | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I thought load average could stay a single field | 19:31 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | and wasn't sure of the value of the time | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | or users | 19:31 |
| lhcheng | dhellmann: I think the first value "16:05:22" is when the uptime is taken. | 19:31 |
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| dhellmann | lhcheng: ok, it's still potentially useful though, right? | 19:32 |
| lhcheng | dtroyer: not sure if user count is important, we don't really use it | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer: if the values are there we might as well parse them out, it's not that hard | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | lhcheng: is splitting the uptime string something up could do before Monday? | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | it would be nice to have that in the next release and not change the format later | 19:33 |
| stevemar | i would hope so :) | 19:33 |
| lhcheng | dtroyer: sure, I can finish that up | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | lhcheng: great, thanks | 19:34 |
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| lhcheng | dhellmann: yeah, we could include the time the stats was taken too. So there are 4 fields then. | 19:34 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good | 19:35 |
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| dtroyer | moving on, I'd like some other thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147453/ as it introduces a CLI incompatibility | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I can probably live with the help output not quite representing what really is allowed though | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | should we push this out to m9? | 19:36 |
| stevemar | oof, this one | 19:37 |
| stevemar | this one had a bunch of nested args | 19:37 |
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| dhellmann | couldn't we have set nargs='?' for the --live option? | 19:38 |
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| dhellmann | I guess then there's no way to tell if it was set at all | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | the problem is that moving the host name off —live to —host is incompatible. | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | right | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | although probably the right move | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer | given the spotty support for live migration overall in deployments, is this one of those places we note that? and maybe save it for 1.1.0? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | ie, it might be low impact to users | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | if it's not backwards compatible, do we want that to be 2.0? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | it doesn't feel right to do 2.0 for just this | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | actually, I just ha an idea… —live isn't needed if —host is present | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | essentially it becomes renaming —live to —host and keeping the compat but suppressed in help | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | no, —host is optional | 19:43 |
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| dhellmann | if that's the case, why not leave --live alone and add a new option for the new case? | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | --live-pick-a-host-for-me | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | ugh. for the near term, push this to m9 either way I think | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: yeah, thats another thing to consider | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I gather that you will want to defer https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1409218 (ec2 creds) doe to timing? | 19:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1409218 in python-openstackclient "condense credentials (ec2, v3, compute)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | I commented on the review | 19:46 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, yep | 19:46 |
| stevemar | keystone is keeping me busy for the next little while | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | I'm thinking to defer the remaining bugs (top 3 on the milestone page list) | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+milestone/m8 | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | 10 min warning | 19:49 |
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| stevemar | also the one blueprint too | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | yeah, both of them | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | anything else on bugs? | 19:50 |
| stevemar | thats okay for now | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | Is there anything else we need to talk about? | 19:51 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, is there a place you want to put future work items on? | 19:51 |
| stevemar | aside from blueprint? | 19:52 |
| stevemar | i'm not the biggest fan of bps :) | 19:52 |
| stevemar | they tend to get lost | 19:52 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: i haven't dug into the review, but what were your thoughts on Julien wanting to use SDK for his metering client work? (i think it was metering) | 19:52 |
| stevemar | rather, forgotten about | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: are you talking a specs-like thing? or just keep abusing bugs? | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i was thinking specs | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, for things like config files, maybe global switches? using -a instead of --all | 19:54 |
| stevemar | stuff like that | 19:54 |
| stevemar | specs might be overkill | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | I'm hesitating to jump into a specs repo, yeah. | 19:54 |
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| dhellmann | some of the design guidelines/rules you're talking about can go into the docs | 19:55 |
| stevemar | okay, blueprints for now then | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | where else doesn't have the same issue as LP blueprints? | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: right. I started moving stuff out of the wiki, not sure if we're done yet | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | briancurtin: even without pulling in the sdk I think I'd like telemetry to be a plugin. | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | we've never really drawn the line of what gets into the repo and what is a plugin, that's just my gut feeling | 19:56 |
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| briancurtin | dtroyer: since our APIs are not yet stable and consistent across teh board, i would hazard against pulling it in until we've ironed that all out, so plugin seems better for right now | 19:57 |
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| briancurtin | we're reasonably close to it being more broadly usable, but today's not the day | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | briancurtin: I've thought that was the case but I've been out of that loop for a while. Next week I'll be able to come to the sdk meetings again so that should help me there | 19:58 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, yeah... we need to draw the line on what projects are going to have full support vs plugins | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | my biggest concern about the sdk is the auth bits. I don't want to mix ksc and sdk, and that's not going to be a small job. | 19:59 |
| stevemar | probably just follow the big tent / layer model | 19:59 |
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| stevemar | out of time :( | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: that means everything is in? | 19:59 |
| stevemar | well we pick a layer! | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: this was why I based cliff on plugins -- the idea at first was to have everything *out* | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | we can talk about this more, no hurry I think | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | and fwiw, everything in OSC right now is in the plugin form, we could move them out too ;) | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | anyway, thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 20:00 |
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| lhcheng | thanks! | 20:01 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 20:01:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-05-19.05.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-05-19.05.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-03-05-19.05.log.html | 20:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:01 |
| pennerc | o/ | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 22:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | Hi, who's here today? | 22:01 |
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| riwinters | hi | 22:01 |
| dkranz | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_5th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| gmann | hi | 22:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | sdague, jogo: courtesy ping | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 22:03 |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest test removal proposal reviews | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest test removal proposal reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:03 | |
| pennerc | o/ | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | so this meeting is the first meeting with tempest test removals proposed per: | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/Tempest-test-removal | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | there are only 2 and I expect them to be quick | 22:04 |
| jogo | o/ | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | the 2 removals proposed are: | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-test-removals | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | the first one on the list is from stevebaker: | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | tempest.scenario.orchestration | 22:05 |
| stevebaker | \o | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | which is removing the heat scenario tests, which have been skipped since the begining of the cycle | 22:05 |
| stevebaker | seems uncontroversial to remove | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | (so step 2 doesn't really apply) | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: yep | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an objection to removing this? | 22:05 |
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| sdague | nope, lets do it! | 22:06 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: nope | 22:06 |
| dkranz | no | 22:06 |
| jogo | why have they been skipped? | 22:06 |
| jogo | (and no objection) | 22:06 |
| stevebaker | jogo: transient failures at the time due to slow nodes. we're not seeing the same issue in heat functional tests | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | ok I'll remove my -2 and we can merge it | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | jogo: it says bug 1374175 | 22:07 |
| openstack | bug 1374175 in heat "test_server_cfn_init failed in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow: AssertionError: Timed out waiting for 10.1.0.4 to become reachable" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374175 - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 22:07 |
| stevebaker | can we quickly talk abou removal of heat cli test? | 22:07 |
| jogo | stevebaker: ahh makes sense | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: can we wait until after the other removal on the etherpad? | 22:07 |
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| stevebaker | sure | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | the other proposed removal from the etherpad is from sdague: | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | tempest.api.compute.admin.test_flavors_negative.FlavorsAdminNegativeTestJSON.test_get_flavor_details_for_deleted_flavor and tempest.api.compute.admin.test_flavors_negative.FlavorCreateNegativeTestJSON | 22:09 |
| sdague | yeh, it was updated this morning to delete the whole test file | 22:09 |
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| sdague | as I now have the ability to test the user/admin split in the nova patch series as well | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | oh, ok I didn't see that but that doesn't make much of a difference | 22:10 |
| sdague | the Depends-On link was updated to the correct point in the nova patch series | 22:10 |
| sdague | yeh, should be the same | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that link doesn't look correct | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | it doesn't go anywhere | 22:10 |
| sdague | apparently, truncated | 22:10 |
| sdague | let me fix | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | sure it's just missing the "I" in front | 22:11 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:11 |
| sdague | it was | 22:11 |
| sdague | ok, updated | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | but aside from the typo based on the numbers these tests seem like something else that's not really controversial | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | especially given none of these tests have failed once since Nov. in the gate | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | (according to the numbers in the etherpad) | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an objection to removing the flavor negative tests? | 22:12 |
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| andreaf | no, +1 from me | 22:13 |
| masayukig | nope | 22:13 |
| dkranz | no | 22:13 |
| gmann | no. +1 | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok, then I'll remove my -2 and let it move forward | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | stevebaker: ok, what did you want to ask about the heat cli tests? | 22:14 |
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| sdague | also, the heat test removal needs a rebase, because of idempotent_id land | 22:14 |
| stevebaker | rather than creating a new python-heatclient functional job I'd like to move the test to the heat functional job, and make python-heatclient gate on that | 22:14 |
| stevebaker | heat already depends on python-heatclient | 22:15 |
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| stevebaker | that was all, I just wanted to mention in case there are objections | 22:15 |
| sdague | that seems confusing to me, but I think how you build those jobs is pretty much the heat team's call | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: well how you gate is up to you guys. BUt that seems weird to me, unless you are running the heats tests on every heatclient patch | 22:16 |
| sdague | I think the important thing is to get the cli calls out of tempest, because they don't really fit there | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | but it's your call | 22:16 |
| stevebaker | we would, they would co-gate | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: ok | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | ok then does anyone else have something to discuss on tempest test removals? Otherwise let's move on | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: so anything new and exciting from devstack this week? | 22:18 |
| dtroyer | I don't have much on my list as I've been focused on catching up with other things this week | 22:19 |
| stevebaker | I've just proposed to remove lib/dib https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161919/ | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: hmm I think I remember reading a spec from adam_g doing something similar at some point | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | I'll take a look after the meeting | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, sure | 22:20 |
| stevebaker | it was a dead-end experiment which was never used | 22:20 |
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| adam_g | i actually had a spec to formalize our use of it, but at this point i think its okay to remove | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | adam_g: heh, ok | 22:20 |
| adam_g | ironic is actually moving away from DIB built ramdisks so... | 22:20 |
| sdague | adam_g: it probably should be an external plugin if you want to use dib there | 22:20 |
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| stevebaker | pip install diskimage-builder seems to do the job | 22:20 |
| adam_g | sdague, yea | 22:20 |
| sdague | stevebaker: looks great, thanks! | 22:21 |
| sdague | yay for deleting stuff from devstack :) | 22:21 |
| stevebaker | indeed! | 22:21 |
| adam_g | speaking of devstack plugins, ive been playing with moving the ironic bits out of devstack and into a plugin.. do we have a documented process for deprecating and removing the devstack code? | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | adam_g: not really, it's been more of just do it :) | 22:22 |
| adam_g | okay. i guess we can keep it around with deprecation warnings everytime its sourced for a while | 22:22 |
| sdague | I think that doing it for something that has grenade jobs on it is going to be hard until grenade is modularized for it | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah we've hit that already on a few things | 22:23 |
| sdague | but, my brain power has all been on nova this week, so I haven't thought that through yet | 22:23 |
| dtroyer | adam_g: we do have DEPRECATED_TEXT that is displayed at the end of stack.sh, if you want to add something to that it should be easily seen. | 22:24 |
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| adam_g | dtroyer, nice, thanks | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | the only thing I have on devstack this week is jogo and I have been on the quest to get our gate runtime under control. | 22:24 |
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| adam_g | also, for anyone interested in devstack plugins: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161535/ deals with installation of distro packages required by plugins. didn't see anything in the spec about that | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | mostly around pre-caching wheels in nodepool, because the wheel compilation takes a non-negligible amount of time | 22:25 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ++ | 22:26 |
| jogo | non-negligible ~= 5 minutes | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | we're consistently seeing devstack take ~20+ min at this point, which is no good | 22:26 |
| sdague | yeh, numpy is 3 minutes iirc | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on devstack? | 22:27 |
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| sdague | nope, I need to drop as well, see folks tomorrow. | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | I'm not expecting anything for this, things have been pretty quiet on the grenade front | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | jogo, dtroyer: anything to add? :) | 22:28 |
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| dtroyer | nope | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have anything on grenade? | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest Configuration Doc (mtreinish) | 22:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest Configuration Doc (mtreinish) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:30 | |
| mtreinish | ok this is one of the leftover from last week | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | I wanted to bring up that we've started a tempest configuration guide in the docs | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/configuration.html | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | right now it's pretty sparse and just contains an overview on how to do the auth/creds setup | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | but I think considering the number of questions I've been fielding from people struggling with this the past few weeks it would be good if we could expand this | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | I was hoping people would volunteer to help tackle a bit and add on to it | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: do you have a list of options causing trouble based on what you were asked? | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: most of the confusion I've seen was around enabled features and available services (which seemed strange to me because those should be the easy ones) | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | oh and the ec2 configuration throws everyone for a loop | 22:34 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: heh | 22:34 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: as part of the ssh auth bp we have some work on configuration, so we'll update that bit (timeouts, ssh credentials and so) | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: cool | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have something on this topic? | 22:36 |
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| gmann | andreaf: +1, ppl get confused for ssh options we have currently. i saw bug for that. | 22:36 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: how about bringing it to ML(openstack or openstack-dev)? I don't know how many people are using Tempest, though. | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: +1 that's a good idea | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to bring up the new configuration guide on the ML | 22:37 |
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| dkranz | masayukig: I think there are many, many people using tempest | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: would you be opposed to documenting what you have to do now for ssh? | 22:38 |
| masayukig | dkranz: great! :) | 22:38 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I can give it a go | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: cool, thanks | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | #action andreaf to work on adding ssh section to the config doc | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | #topic new tag for interop tests (hogepodge) | 22:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new tag for interop tests (hogepodge) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:39 | |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: around? | 22:40 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: the floor is yours | 22:40 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to propose a new tag for tests, working on a blueprint for it right now. | 22:40 |
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| hogepodge | I feel that there's a need for strict api testing that the current set of api tests doesn't meet. | 22:41 |
| hogepodge | It should be possible to just point tempest at a cloud with only an endpoint and credentials, and maybe a minimum of pre-existing resources (network id and image id, for example) and check for api functionality. | 22:42 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: Isn't that what tempest does now? Coverage is a different issue. | 22:42 |
| hogepodge | My proposal is a new test tag, [interop] which has the requirements of testing api endpoints with only minimum configuration required. | 22:42 |
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| hogepodge | dkranz lots of api tests want to have admin access for a number of different reasons | 22:43 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: As I said earlier in IRC, that is going to cover most non-admin tests | 22:43 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: yes, but we are fixing that | 22:43 |
| andreaf | hogepodge, dkranz: sounds like "smoke" revisited | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: for the most part if you don't provide admin it should just skip those. (there are bugs there though, we're working through them) | 22:43 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: I think it is a little different. smoke is supposed to be a "minimal" set of testsw | 22:44 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: and we need to revisit that as well | 22:44 |
| hogepodge | if there's overlap, or other spaces that's handled by this, then that's great. | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well that's one of the goals for the code sprint to clean up the usage of the smoke tag. | 22:44 |
| hogepodge | The defcore committee is seeing otherwise, though. | 22:44 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: no, I think a new tag is needed but it should be "not interop" | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | But I agree this might be a superset on smoke | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | err, actually probably just an overlapping set | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | because smoke will include scenario and this probably won't | 22:45 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: there are a few tests that are non-admin but depend on some configuration that is hard for a user to know. | 22:45 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: that is how I would interpret this | 22:45 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: that's part of it. An endpoint, identity, and modest resources should really be sufficient. | 22:46 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: the interop tests are those that do not depend on values in tempest.conf that can be different for different deployments | 22:46 |
| hogepodge | I don't want to chase an idea that doesn't have community support, though. | 22:46 |
| dkranz | hogepodge: I don't think it necessarily doesn't have support | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: well I think write up a spec to flush out the idea. Then we can work through it when there is a solid idea out there | 22:47 |
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| dkranz | hogepodge: IMO, only a small number of tests need to be tagged, and then if you don't provide admin credentials, only what you want will run | 22:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: +1 | 22:47 |
| gmann | hogepodge: dkranz : mtreinish i am confused about interops requirement, is it tests with minimum conf or a set of functionality to test irrespective of how much conf needed | 22:48 |
| hogepodge | dkranz: One thing I'd like to see is a pool of tests that can be used to really define interoperability. The defcore and committee and board need guidance on what's important to test and how to measure compatibility between deployments. | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: isn't that what defcore is supposed to define? | 22:48 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: Right now the committee looks at api tests, ranks them against a criteria, then determines the list. | 22:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: yes but I think the presumption is it can be extracted from existing tempest tests | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | gmann: I think that's why we need a spec to clearly outline the requirements here | 22:49 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: we'd like more involvement from the PTLs and community members on what's important. The assumption is that if an api test exists it expresses importance. | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | the tests should just be the verification mechanism. I don't think they should be used to define it | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | but anyway I don't want to get too far off track | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else on this? | 22:50 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: it's a chicken and egg problem. | 22:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think we should assume all non-admin tests cover things that are supposed to be interoperable and identity exceptions | 22:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I really don't understand why there is controversy here, if there is any | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: not really, because we can add a test at any point. | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | but let's move on | 22:51 |
| andreaf | dkranz: there are tests which use admin credentials for preparation, but they do not test an admin api, and they might belong to interop | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | because we're at <10mins | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | gmann: anything new on bugs this week? | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: you had the rotation this week right? | 22:53 |
| gmann | mtreinish: nothing much. masayukig had triage this week | 22:53 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish, gmann: yes. I've done. | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | ok anything else on bugs? Otherwise let's move one? | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | s/one/on | 22:55 |
| gmann | and people volunteered for triage rotation. we have triage rotation fill till Apr 6 | 22:55 |
| gmann | that's all from my side | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | yeah I noticed that, I was surprised :) | 22:55 |
| gmann | :) | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have a review they'd like to get additional eyes on? | 22:56 |
| andreaf | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bp/multi-keystone-api-version-tests+status:+open,n,z | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/test-accounts-continued,n,z | 22:57 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: you were faster :) | 22:57 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bp/resource-cleanup+status:open,n,z | 22:57 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+bp/multi-keystone-api-version-tests+status:+open,n,z | 22:57 |
| andreaf | I actually had a question on the multi-auth bp, but perhaps after the meeting as we're short on time | 22:58 |
| gmann | andreaf: I had look yesterday on keystone one. ll review today | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sure we can pick that up in -qa after the meeting | 22:58 |
| andreaf | gmann: thanks | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158017/ | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | that's just a doc patch for tempest-lib, but I think it'll be good to make sure I understood the restclient correctly :) | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other reviews we'll end here | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| gmann | thanks all | 23:00 |
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| masayukig | thanks | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 23:00:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-05-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-05-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-03-05-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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