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| cyeoh | #startmeeting nova api | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 13 00:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi, anyone around this week? | 00:01 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 00:01 |
| gmann | hi | 00:01 |
| oomichi | hi | 00:02 |
| alex_xu | long time no meeting together ! | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | heh yea! | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | ok ok, lets get started | 00:02 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, but we can talk anytime on irc:) | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | #topic release criteria for microversions and v2.1 | 00:02 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: yeah, but meeting == party | 00:03 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: +1 | 00:03 |
| cyeoh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v2_1_ReleaseCriteria | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | now I think we have the patch merged that we needed for tempest run with neutron to run successfully? | 00:04 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, successfully. | 00:04 |
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| oomichi | I tested WIP patch for doing it. | 00:04 |
| oomichi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139903/ | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | cool :-) So we just need to merge 151564 then | 00:04 |
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| oomichi | yeah, the time is comming :) | 00:05 |
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| gmann | yes, i will update that soon | 00:06 |
| oomichi | gmann: thanks ! | 00:06 |
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| cyeoh | I think the baremetal nodes patches are in good shape and should merge pretty soon 149125 and 154714 | 00:06 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, I agree. | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | I was *very* surprised to discover there were not api sample tests for os-baremental-nodes though | 00:07 |
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| oomichi | because the API is not so famous. | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | yea, and it just slipped through review. | 00:07 |
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| cyeoh | Park has done the manual check of v2 versus v2.1 code for anything merged to v2 since October | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | so I think we're fine there. There might be one or two things we've missed but between tempest tests and manual checks I think its sufficent | 00:08 |
| alex_xu | +1 for Park's work | 00:08 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, that is good work | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | ... can only do so much and we'll pick up anything else as a bug report | 00:09 |
| gmann | yea, that is good thing | 00:09 |
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| cyeoh | so I'm not sure when to merge 149948 | 00:09 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: need to merge before kilo-3 | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | we don't have doc yet for writing a v3 plugin (but I hope to be able to start that today) | 00:10 |
| oomichi | that is my hope :) | 00:10 |
| oomichi | the doc would be a good input. | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | we can definitely merge v2.1 before microversions | 00:10 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: +1 | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | so how about we concentrate on getting the patches merged mentioned above | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | and aim to merge 153935 Monday/Tue next week? | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | the only thing I'm not sure about is some doc around nova client | 00:12 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: I agree | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | so by default v2.1 will be export on /v21 | 00:12 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: it's already merged? | 00:12 |
| gmann | 153935 is merged | 00:12 |
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| cyeoh | oh sorry I mean 149948 | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | the EXPERIMENTAL->CURRENT setting | 00:13 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: +1 | 00:14 |
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| cyeoh | so my one question is how we recommend trying out v2.1? | 00:14 |
| cyeoh | do we just say use /v2.1 | 00:15 |
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| cyeoh | or try to describe what devstack does? | 00:15 |
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| cyeoh | or both? Either way I think operators will need some guidance | 00:15 |
| oomichi | or $ nova --service-type computev21 list | 00:15 |
| oomichi | on devstack | 00:15 |
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| alex_xu | cyeoh: may provide a way let devstack configure v2.1 as default | 00:16 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: oh, that is a good idea :) | 00:17 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: some configuration can make the v2.1 export as /v2 | 00:17 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: thanks | 00:17 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: devstack has already contained the option for switching v2.1 as /v2 | 00:17 |
| cyeoh | yea I guess we should just describe a few different ways so there is something that will work depending on the operator environment setup | 00:17 |
| oomichi | we can just change True as the default value on devstack. | 00:18 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: already! cool | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | I'll put in on the release critera list | 00:18 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, the option was necessary for running v2.1 job on the gate. | 00:18 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: oops, yea, right, I missed that | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: do you have a link to where in devstack you need to set a value to True? | 00:19 |
| gmann | then we might not need V21 jobs :) | 00:19 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, I will write the link on the etherpad. | 00:20 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi, thanks! | 00:20 |
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| cyeoh | I think thats it for v2.1, for microversions I see there is the proposed header name change | 00:22 |
| cyeoh | I dont think I really care, but if everyone else is going for project name I'm ok with that | 00:22 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153183/1/specs/kilo/approved/api-microversions.rst | 00:22 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: thanks :) | 00:23 |
| cyeoh | does anyone have any objections to it? | 00:23 |
| alex_xu | i'm ok | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | ok I guess we need to look around for another specs +2 | 00:25 |
| gmann | fine for me. | 00:25 |
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| cyeoh | I guess there will be a bit of test churn due to it | 00:26 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: test churn? | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | updating unittests to send the right header? | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | I think it might be hardcoded in a few places | 00:28 |
| cyeoh | (not sure) | 00:28 |
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| oomichi | cyeoh: yes, we need to update them at many places. | 00:28 |
| cyeoh | #topic microversions | 00:28 |
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| cyeoh | so this is the api change we've been lining up as the first microversion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140313/ | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | I'd appreciate any reviews on it and the patch its dependent on (though there will be another update in a couple of hours) | 00:30 |
| * alex_xu network is pretty slow... | 00:30 | |
| cyeoh | the only other microversion release criteria change I'm aware of is novaclient support | 00:30 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: the patch needs FFE and I will support it, will you? | 00:31 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: I can't open it, I guess it's keypair one? is it get ffe? | 00:31 |
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| cyeoh | 140313 needs a ffe? | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: yes | 00:31 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, the author sent a FFE request mail yesterday. | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: yes I'll support it | 00:32 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: nice, so we can push it. | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | yep and we need some change in order to get the first microversion ;-) | 00:32 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: +1 | 00:33 |
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| cyeoh | did anyone have anything else on v2.1 or microversions? | 00:34 |
| alex_xu | nothing from me | 00:34 |
| oomichi | that is all from me :) | 00:34 |
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| cyeoh | #topic api policy improvement | 00:35 |
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| gmann | cyeoh: regarding the sample files structure for microversion i n 140313 | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | gmann: sure, go ahead | 00:35 |
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| gmann | cyeoh: should we keep that in parallel to V2 sample file as we are thinking to merge V3 nd V2 sample file | 00:36 |
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| gmann | in 140313 i saw it is inside V3/ | 00:36 |
| oomichi | gmann: that is a nice point. | 00:37 |
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| cyeoh | gmann: for the moment I think its ok, we can do the reorg post things going live | 00:37 |
| oomichi | gmann: that seems a little strange for me. | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | so it does look odd, mainly because v2 vs v3 is more about what code it comes from rather than any relationship to a version | 00:38 |
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| cyeoh | but we have to do a giant movearama to get rid of the v3 directory at some point. anyway | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | I think for now having the samples as just under v3 and the microversions in subdirs under that will work ok | 00:39 |
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| gmann | cyeoh: yea. we need to define a structure for v2.1 nd microversion stuff (code as well as tests) | 00:40 |
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| cyeoh | gmann: yep we need to work out a good file structure and I definitely want to eliminate the 1000 identical server-post.req files etc | 00:41 |
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| cyeoh | at the same time I want microversions out ASAP | 00:41 |
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| oomichi | so as the first step, how about removing v3 subdir under plugins today? | 00:41 |
| gmann | cyeoh: yea that is most painful thing about sample file. | 00:41 |
| cyeoh | I'd rather live with a messy api samples hierary for now | 00:41 |
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| gmann | oomichi: +1 | 00:42 |
| oomichi | the patch will be big, but it will be easy to be reviewed. | 00:42 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi, I'm ok with that, but can we delay until after microversions is merged? I don't want to run into a bunch of merge conflicts | 00:42 |
| gmann | oomichi: and after that we can define dir structure for tests and sample files too. | 00:43 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: yeah, conflicts will happen. but we need them anyway. | 00:43 |
| cyeoh | oomichi: yea I just don't want them delaying microversions getting merged... | 00:44 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: ah, I see. OK, will defer it. | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | after that I'm happy to use up the rest of kilo for cleanup/bug fixing | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | I believe jaypipes had a bunch of speedup patches to | 00:44 |
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| gmann | cyeoh: sounds good. | 00:45 |
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| cyeoh | alex_xu: did you want to say anything about the api policy group of patches? | 00:46 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: yes | 00:47 |
| alex_xu | The nova api policy improvement's current status is all the policy patches already on the gerrit. | 00:47 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-policy,n,z | 00:47 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: good work and a lot of patches! | 00:47 |
| alex_xu | it's includes v2.1, db layer cleanup and ec2. totally about 60 paches. | 00:47 |
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| cyeoh | ok so we have lots of patches to review :-) | 00:48 |
| alex_xu | but thinking about ec2 may be removed after few release, I think we can drop the ec2 patches | 00:48 |
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| alex_xu | Then we left 48 patches. 30 for v2.1 and 12 for db | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: yea its not clear what is happening with ec2 :-( | 00:49 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: yeah, that is a nice point. let wait for removing ec2 api :) | 00:49 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: oomichi yea, let's focus on v2.1 and db | 00:49 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: +1 | 00:49 |
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| alex_xu | v2.1 is on good status, and the review will be very simple | 00:49 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: agreed | 00:49 |
| alex_xu | but db layer need to review carefully | 00:50 |
| cyeoh | yep, definitely | 00:50 |
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| cyeoh | alex_xu: anything else on api policy? | 00:51 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: no more, just want to thanks all the people can review them! | 00:51 |
| cyeoh | cool - I will do some... | 00:52 |
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| cyeoh | #topic urgent reviews | 00:52 |
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| cyeoh | so I think the v2.1/microversions related patches are the highest priority at the moment. Anyone else have urgent patches? | 00:53 |
| oomichi | nothing special from me | 00:54 |
| cyeoh | #topic open discussion | 00:54 |
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| cyeoh | Anyone have anything they want to talk about? | 00:55 |
| gmann | nothing from my side. | 00:55 |
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| oomichi | yeah, I also. we will need to review a lot of patches :-) | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | ok lets close a bit early today | 00:56 |
| alex_xu | Just mention close to China Spring Festival. hope we can merge some patch before vacation. Anyway I will monitor on the patches status on the vacation. And help to update if need. | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | thanks all for coming! | 00:56 |
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| cyeoh | alex_xu: ah yea, thanks for the reminder! | 00:56 |
| oomichi | thanks all! | 00:57 |
| gmann | Thanks all | 00:57 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: I guess you'll be out for a couple of weeks after this friday? | 00:57 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 00:57 |
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| gmann | alex_xu: enjoy the Fest :) | 00:57 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: the vacation begin at next Wed | 00:57 |
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| alex_xu | cyeoh: but I want to monitor on policy patches, too much patch need to be merged | 00:58 |
| alex_xu | gmann: thanks! | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: ah ok, hope you have lots of fun and enjoy the break :-) | 00:58 |
| alex_xu | cyeoh: thanks! | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 00:58 |
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| vilobhmm | hi e0ne, dulek | 17:07 |
| dulek | Hi! | 17:07 |
| vilobhmm | thanks for joining | 17:07 |
| vilobhmm | is e0ne there | 17:07 |
| dulek | We have any agenda prepared? | 17:08 |
| vilobhmm | yes | 17:08 |
| dulek | Cool, lets wait for Ivan. | 17:08 |
| vilobhmm | ok | 17:08 |
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| vilobhmm | lets wait for 2 more min | 17:14 |
| vilobhmm | and then start | 17:14 |
| dulek | Hm, I guess he won't be there... | 17:14 |
| dulek | K. | 17:14 |
| vilobhmm | the action plan can be documented here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-state-management | 17:14 |
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| vilobhmm | I just started drafting this while we were waiting for dulek | 17:15 |
| vilobhmm | sorry e0ne | 17:15 |
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| dulek | Okay, yuo stated goals clear here | 17:16 |
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| vilobhmm | so we all can work on this blueprint | 17:16 |
| dulek | So how we want to proceed? | 17:16 |
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| vilobhmm | i can write the intitial draft | 17:17 |
| e0ne | hi! | 17:17 |
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| dulek | Right now my plan is to help in other activities - objects, bugfixing | 17:17 |
| vilobhmm | and send to dulek and e0ne for review | 17:17 |
| vilobhmm | me too | 17:17 |
| vilobhmm | hi e0ne we missed you | 17:17 |
| vilobhmm | welcome | 17:17 |
| e0ne | sorry, it was iternal unplanned meeting | 17:18 |
| vilobhmm | but i think state-management is an important thing and will help cinder | 17:18 |
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| vilobhmm | this proposed blueprint can be discussed in the design summit in cancover,canada | 17:18 |
| vilobhmm | and if we go as a group and if the cores find it relevant (as i feel the idea has lot of value) we can move ahead | 17:19 |
| dulek_ | You want to proceed with one blueprint? I'm thinking of rather a draft | 17:19 |
| vilobhmm | we have for micro-state the infrastructure ready | 17:19 |
| vilobhmm | and i guess you just started coding for persistence thing | 17:19 |
| vilobhmm | sure draft also works | 17:20 |
| dulek_ | Basically - we don't know about John's plans | 17:20 |
| vilobhmm | that we are not going to know on irc for sure :P | 17:20 |
| e0ne | afaik, taskflow support could be droppesd from cinder | 17:20 |
| vilobhmm | unless we meet john and mike and few other cores in person and convey them | 17:20 |
| vilobhmm | its not going to help | 17:20 |
| dulek_ | There is idea in the community to move away from TasFlow. | 17:20 |
| vilobhmm | so draft or a blueprint whatever helps the cause | 17:20 |
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| vilobhmm | i can come up with a draft | 17:21 |
| dulek_ | So work witg thos lib may be not worth it at all | 17:21 |
| e0ne | personaly, i'm ok with any persisnance implementaion which will be work | 17:21 |
| vilobhmm | but i will need dulek_ and e0ne your backing | 17:21 |
| vilobhmm | e0ne https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-state-management | 17:21 |
| vilobhmm | sorry if you missed this link | 17:21 |
| dulek_ | e0ne: you're right | 17:21 |
| e0ne | vilobhmm: i've got it, thanks | 17:22 |
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| e0ne | dulek_: you did goog progress with persistance. | 17:22 |
| dulek_ | So appriopriate step would be to wait for the summit and discuss there IMO | 17:22 |
| vilobhmm | by may summit we should have a clear indication of what the cores think of further investment in taskflow | 17:23 |
| dulek_ | Okay, if we are able to get that - great | 17:23 |
| e0ne | at least, we need to have _working_ PoC before summit | 17:23 |
| vilobhmm | i think it should go in this order | 17:23 |
| vilobhmm | 1. draft/blueprint | 17:23 |
| e0ne | and make design session on it | 17:23 |
| vilobhmm | convey the idea -work as a team | 17:24 |
| dulek_ | But i'm unsure if this is possible | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm | 2. at summit be part of the design summit and we can present our idea | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm | 3. discuss more with cores and see what they think | 17:24 |
| vilobhmm | trying is always better than waiting for it to happen :P | 17:24 |
| dulek_ | e0ne: this is hard, rewritting the bps i've found some big issues to be resolved | 17:25 |
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| dulek_ | For example - we would need distributed locks | 17:25 |
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| dulek_ | To prevent from two instances resuming same workflow | 17:26 |
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| dulek_ | So - tooz? | 17:26 |
| e0ne | dulek_: yep. this is not evailable in cinder yet. | 17:26 |
| e0ne | dulek_: afaik, distributed locks works good in heat | 17:26 |
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| vilobhmm | e0ne , dulek : we can see about tzoo even harlowja mentioned about it the other day | 17:27 |
| e0ne | i don't know how it is implemented, but i can ask it to ther cores | 17:27 |
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| dulek | Only celiometer implements it now. | 17:27 |
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| dulek | Okay, so probably I should start ml thread on that. | 17:27 |
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| e0ne | agree | 17:28 |
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| dulek | Idea should get going. | 17:28 |
| vilobhmm | so as you mentioned we need to worry about distributed locks and two instances resuming same workflow, another problem i can think of is which workflow should be given a higher priority | 17:28 |
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| dulek | vilobhmm: I hope thay this won't be an issue. | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm | why dont we distribute our work and meet again with our fininds again next week what say ? | 17:29 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek : why you saying that | 17:29 |
| e0ne | sounds good. but why we don't do it in #openstack-cinder | 17:29 |
| vilobhmm | e0ne : we can | 17:30 |
| vilobhmm | not a problem | 17:30 |
| vilobhmm | nothing to hide | 17:30 |
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| dulek | Okay, let me point out an AR for me: start ml thread to start discussing problems with resuming | 17:30 |
| e0ne | vilobhmm: thanks. we could get more feedback there | 17:30 |
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| vilobhmm | sure e0ne | 17:30 |
| dulek | I'll try to keep it taskflow agnostic | 17:30 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek : sounds good…for me i will try exploring distributed locking with tooz or how celimoter implements it now | 17:31 |
| dulek | And we can start a thread about removal of taskflow in cinder | 17:31 |
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| dulek | So we know where we are | 17:31 |
| vilobhmm | removal of taskflow ? why | 17:31 |
| vilobhmm | lets have a plan of focusing on persistence | 17:32 |
| vilobhmm | with taskflow better | 17:32 |
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| vilobhmm | but if not taskflow then also we should have a backup plan and that is i guess thinking more about distributed locking etc | 17:32 |
| vilobhmm | am i missing something ? | 17:32 |
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| dulek_ | So tjere is an idea to get back to old code as cores think that taskflow is too complicated | 17:33 |
| dulek_ | I want to know where i stand in this matter | 17:33 |
| vilobhmm | i think we will have a clear answer on thisn in may summit | 17:33 |
| vilobhmm | bcz in paris summit there was plan to go with taskflow now in jan no taskflow dont know in may again they might go with /without taskflow | 17:34 |
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| e0ne | vilobhmm: actually, nobody works on it over all K cycle | 17:34 |
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| vilobhmm | e0ne : what is “it” is it taskflow ? | 17:35 |
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| e0ne | yes, i mean taslflow and state-machine | 17:35 |
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| dulek__ | True. | 17:36 |
| dulek__ | Ml thread may clarify that | 17:36 |
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| vilobhmm | but we are ginving it a direction right…aw the key point here is we want to contribute in incerasing realiability by coming up with this approach of doing validation by transition graph and for perisistenace (using takslfow waould have been better) but if not then other alternatives as you r proposing | 17:37 |
| vilobhmm | atleast lets give it a try | 17:38 |
| dulek__ | Definitely. | 17:38 |
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| e0ne | +1 | 17:39 |
| vilobhmm | ok then till next meeting | 17:39 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek : start a ml disussing about the resume workflow | 17:39 |
| vilobhmm | vilobhmm : explore distributed locking how its done in celomteer | 17:40 |
| vilobhmm | and how tzoo can help | 17:40 |
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| vilobhmm | e0ne, dulek : did i miss anything ? | 17:40 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek_, e0ne : yt ? | 17:42 |
| dulek_ | Sorry, got disconnected. | 17:42 |
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| dulek_ | So all lnow how to proceed? | 17:42 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek : start a ml disussing about the resume workflow ; vilobhmm : explore distributed locking how its done in celomteer and how tzoo can help | 17:43 |
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| vilobhmm | also vilobhmm : start ml discusssion with cinder cores/list regarding the approaches that we discussed | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm | and get there inputs on it | 17:44 |
| dulek_ | I'm not sure if they have locking | 17:44 |
| dulek_ | But they use tooz as only project | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm | so that everyone is in sync | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm | dulek_ : let me explore this | 17:44 |
| vilobhmm | and confirm to you | 17:44 |
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| dulek_ | Cool. | 17:44 |
| dulek_ | And e0ne is our core sponsor. ;) | 17:45 |
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| vilobhmm | e0ne : please help us you are our only hope :) | 17:45 |
| vilobhmm | dulek_ : you got it right | 17:46 |
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| vilobhmm | haha | 17:46 |
| vilobhmm | aw dulek_, e0ne : have to leave now for a meeting | 17:46 |
| vilobhmm | i guess we have a plan of action now | 17:46 |
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| dulek2 | So that's it I think. | 17:47 |
| vilobhmm | dulek2 : cool | 17:47 |
| vilobhmm | dulek2, e0ne : have a great weekend ahead | 17:47 |
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| dulek2 | vilobhmm: Thanks, already going to valentines trip. ;) See you guys! | 17:48 |
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| vilobhmm | dulek2 : Njoy :) | 17:48 |
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