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| Daisy | I will start I18n meeting now. | 08:00 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 08:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
| Daisy | who is around? | 08:00 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, Hello | 08:00 |
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| anish__ | Hi! | 08:01 |
| * DeeJay1 is here | 08:01 | |
| epico | Hello, Daisy. | 08:01 |
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| chandankumar | epico, anish__ hello | 08:01 |
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| Daisy | Good to see you there ! | 08:01 |
| Daisy | I don't see Carlos from Zanata team. | 08:01 |
| Fdot | Hello Daisy :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | So we start from chandankumar's topic. | 08:01 |
| Fdot | hello all :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | #topic #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | sorry | 08:02 |
| Daisy | wrong type | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | #topic Fuel-cloud translation and review | 08:02 |
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| chandankumar | let me introduce fuel-cloud | 08:02 |
| chandankumar | fuel stands for frequently used entries of localization | 08:02 |
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| epico | hello, chandankumar | 08:02 |
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| chandankumar | fuel-cloud is a module which is basically targeted of cloud platform | 08:03 |
| chandankumar | It is a collection of commonly used enteries of cloud terms which are used by many cloud service providers | 08:03 |
| chandankumar | like: openstack, cloudstack and eucalyptus | 08:03 |
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| chandankumar | for example: storage, volume, network, instance and a lot common words are used by various cloud service providers. | 08:04 |
| chandankumar | fuel-cloud is a module which had collected all the terms at one place. | 08:04 |
| chandankumar | So, many translators can translate it in respective langauge, which may having different meaning in a particular language translated by different translators. | 08:04 |
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| chandankumar | After translation, we sit with cloud users and developers to review these modules in a particular languages and than release for a particular language. | 08:04 |
| chandankumar | if you have any questions feel free to stop me | 08:04 |
| chandankumar | how translators can use it | 08:04 |
| Daisy | who will translate these entries? | 08:05 |
| chandankumar | These words are common and used at many places. we use this module in translation memory, when one translator translate a cloud file, common translated words of these modules from translation memory will be visible with their meaning with their language. so people can easily translate their module. | 08:05 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, software translator will translate it | 08:05 |
| Fdot | where is stored this translation memory ? | 08:05 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, it is good to have they have used cloud before | 08:06 |
| chandankumar | because they know the technology very well | 08:06 |
| chandankumar | Fdot, right now it is hosted on zanata and translate wiki | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | so when we move to Zanata, we could use these translation memory? | 08:07 |
| Fdot | chandankumar, ok :) | 08:07 |
| chandankumar | but we just need to integrate in the zanata tm used by openstack | 08:07 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, yes | 08:07 |
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| chandankumar | It is different from terminology | 08:07 |
| Daisy | Oh, no. We have our own Zanata instance, which means, the memory is not shared, I think. | 08:07 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, we will pull and merge there or create a project named fuel-cloud which will use it on openstack zanata instance | 08:08 |
| Daisy | ok. thanks. | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | terminology is a collection of unique terms used by cloud service provider to define their respective components and their uses. | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | fuel module - it is a collection of common entires of cloud collected from different cloud service provides. | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | Here is the benefits : | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | if many translators translates the same file in same language the translation will be different. | 08:09 |
| chandankumar | it creates inconsistency on the cloud platform. | 08:09 |
| chandankumar | there fuel-cloud helps to remove incosistency by keeping the meaning of common enteies same across the lanuage. | 08:09 |
| chandankumar | it helps in reviewing the translation. | 08:09 |
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| chandankumar | here is the pot file : https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fuel.git/tree/language/en/terminology/cloud/fuel-cloud-en.pot | 08:09 |
| chandankumar | it is translated on zanata : https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/fuel-project | 08:09 |
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| chandankumar | we have started receiving translations from translate wiki | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&action=proofread&group=out-fuel-cloud&language=qqq&filter=translated|!reviewer%3A4668|!last-translator%3A4668 | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | and we have got submission from other languages also http://fuelproject.org/stats/index | 08:10 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: the module is useful. How to keep the consistency ? I mean, there might be different version of module translations in different software. | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | now i am open for questions | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | new version will contains some new strings | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | and maybe new translations too. | 08:11 |
| DeeJay1 | chandankumar: https://fedorahosted.org/fuel/wiki/contribution contains dead links (for example to the evaluated terminology repo) | 08:11 |
| Daisy | will Fuel keep on release new versions ? and somebody will be the focal in a certain project to keep the consistency? | 08:12 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, many translators will start translating in one language. | 08:12 |
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| chandankumar | so we have revisions in git | 08:12 |
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| chandankumar | and from that revisions we can sit and evaluate the translations of entries then release a reviewed version for that language | 08:13 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: what do you want us to do? | 08:13 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, right now we want it to transalte in the respective languages which be as a openstack support | 08:13 |
| Daisy | you mean, you need translators? | 08:14 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, suppose i translate in hindi and we can translate it in hindi and made it avaiable for review | 08:14 |
| chandankumar | that is the first thing we need | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | using translatewiki to translate? | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | use translate wiki or zanata or you can locally and send us the file | 08:15 |
| Daisy | I see Chinese translation is done. | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, you can review it then | 08:16 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: you could send these information to our I18n mailing list, and call for people's help. | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, sure | 08:16 |
| Daisy | I would like to help to review Chinese translations. | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i will send it today | 08:16 |
| Daisy | Thanks, chandankumar . | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | DeeJay1, i will fix it soon | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | any more questions? | 08:17 |
| chandankumar | if not we can move to next topic | 08:17 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, ^^ | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Thanks, chandankumar | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Let's move to next topic. | 08:17 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, you are welcome :) | 08:17 |
| Daisy | #topic Zanata related discussion | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | Fdot, to your question to I18n mailing list about Zanata | 08:18 |
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| Daisy | I don't get specific target data from infrastructure team, to set up Zanata in OpenStack. | 08:19 |
| Fdot | Daisy, i can't wait to use Zanata ;) | 08:19 |
| Daisy | Why you hate Transifex so much? :) | 08:19 |
| Daisy | Our infra team may be caught by other kilo deadlines. | 08:19 |
| Fdot | Daisy, no transifex is nice :) I just happy to use a new tool ! | 08:19 |
| Daisy | So I don't know when the Zanata env would get ready. | 08:20 |
| Fdot | Daisy, do they know if it will be ready for the kilo release ? | 08:20 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, we need to ping carlos regarding updates on this | 08:20 |
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| Daisy | I guess, probable not. | 08:20 |
| chandankumar | and also ask if they have blockers if possible we can help in getting it up | 08:21 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: I don't see Carlos online. | 08:21 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, yes | 08:21 |
| Fdot | Daisy, ok :) thanks a lot for the update | 08:21 |
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| Daisy | I'm very eager to see Zanata online too because stackalytics new feature: translators contribution would have deep dependencies with Zanata API. | 08:22 |
| Daisy | anish__ is helping us on that. | 08:22 |
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| Fdot | Daisy, that's why i can't wait ;) | 08:22 |
| Daisy | me too, Fdot. But we have to. | 08:23 |
| anish__ | Daisy, one more thing about deploying projects into zanata https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1186606 | 08:23 |
| anish__ | we need to determine protocol when we deploy our projects for translations | 08:24 |
| Daisy | anish__: do you know when Zanata team would fire the new release with your required features? | 08:24 |
| anish__ | Daisy, yet to decide | 08:24 |
| Daisy | what protocol? | 08:24 |
| anish__ | for deploying projects with their names | 08:25 |
| Daisy | protocol with whom? | 08:25 |
| anish__ | with zanata, in zanata you can have project and then submodules | 08:25 |
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| anish__ | e.g openstack is project and nova is submodule | 08:25 |
| Daisy | let me think. | 08:26 |
| anish__ | then your project name would be openstack-nova | 08:26 |
| anish__ | kind of | 08:26 |
| Daisy | anish__: I don't know if it could solve this issue. If we set up our own Zanata instance, we might have Nova as project, not submodules. | 08:26 |
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| Daisy | we may have a zanata.openstack.org, something like that. | 08:27 |
| anish__ | but we need to name it as openstack-nova | 08:27 |
| Daisy | why? | 08:27 |
| anish__ | In http://stackalytics.com/ we have Project type and Module type | 08:28 |
| anish__ | each project has module associated with it | 08:28 |
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| Daisy | and then? | 08:28 |
| anish__ | what if two projects have same module name | 08:28 |
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| Daisy | could we translate Zanata response to stackalytics acceptable format? | 08:29 |
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| anish__ | yes we can translate that format | 08:29 |
| Daisy | For example, we translate /stat/project/nova/version/1/contributor/john/2015-1-1 to /stat/project/openstack/nova/version/1/contributor/john/2015-1-1 ? | 08:30 |
| anish__ | yes we can do that | 08:30 |
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| Daisy | can this issue be resolved ? | 08:30 |
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| anish__ | yes we can solve this issue in way that we already know which modules are associated with which projects | 08:31 |
| Daisy | That's right. | 08:31 |
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| Daisy | In a small scope, the translation could work. | 08:31 |
| anish__ | yeah | 08:32 |
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| Daisy | I don't think there would be same module names in openstack, and stackforge. But I'm not sure about cloudfoundary. | 08:32 |
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| Daisy | but anyway, let's use "format translate" for now. | 08:33 |
| anish__ | Daisy, okay | 08:33 |
| Daisy | thanks, anish__ | 08:33 |
| anish__ | Daisy, thank you | 08:33 |
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| Daisy | next topic then. | 08:33 |
| Daisy | #topic Introduction of translation test project | 08:34 |
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| Daisy | translation test project is to test openstack in different langauges, to verify openstack functions could work well and our translations could display as expected. | 08:35 |
| anish__ | cool | 08:35 |
| DeeJay1 | +1 for that, what do we need? | 08:35 |
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| Fdot | +1 for that too :) | 08:36 |
| Daisy | for example, I set up openstack in a Chinese enabled machine. I expect Openstack is running well there, my Chinese translations are displayed, and my Chinese input would not break functions. | 08:36 |
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| Daisy | It's a new project now. | 08:36 |
| Daisy | I need contributors. :) | 08:36 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-test | 08:36 |
| Daisy | See here. | 08:36 |
| anish__ | I would like to join in :) | 08:37 |
| Daisy | There is a stackforge project ready, named as i18n-test. | 08:37 |
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| Daisy | I have some test scenarios in mind. | 08:37 |
| Daisy | As to the scenario 3 and 4, there are some implementations by developers. | 08:38 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: as you may know, "pseudo translation check" tool was recenlty added to Horizon. | 08:38 |
| amotoki | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/contributing.html#translatability | 08:38 |
| Daisy | scenario 3 is related with Horizon. There is a program in this patch, to generate a fack translation file. | 08:38 |
| Daisy | Yes, amotoki . I'm talking about it now. | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | scenario 4 is related with lazy translation, and oslo.i18n developer is working on it. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | So I think, as to us, we could focus on scenario 1 and 2. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | We test the command line in different languages. We test APIs with different language inputs. For example, I create an image with a Chinese name. | 08:40 |
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| Daisy | We could have write automation test scripts to test these scenarios. | 08:41 |
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| Daisy | We could write automation test scripts to test these scenarios. | 08:41 |
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| Daisy | That's my thoughts. And I welcome the inputs from you. | 08:42 |
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| epico | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudolocalization | 08:47 |
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| Daisy | it's a useful link to read, epico . | 08:49 |
| epico | Daisy :) | 08:49 |
| epico | another form of mock translations. | 08:50 |
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| epico | petersen told me that link. :) | 08:51 |
| Daisy | anish__: would you still like to join this test project ? | 08:51 |
| anish__ | Daisy, yeah i would like to | 08:51 |
| anish__ | epico, aha :) | 08:51 |
| Daisy | Nice. So I have you. | 08:51 |
| Daisy | I hope to set up another IRC meeting to discuss this new project, till I get enough people. | 08:52 |
| anish__ | great! | 08:52 |
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| Daisy | OK. I've finished my topics. | 08:53 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 08:53 |
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| Daisy | no discussions any more ? | 08:55 |
| Daisy | OK. I will close this meeting. | 08:56 |
| Daisy | Thank you very much for attending. It's a very good meeting. | 08:56 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 08:57:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-05-08.00.html | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-05-08.00.txt | 08:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-02-05-08.00.log.html | 08:57 |
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| Fdot | thanks a lot Daisy :) | 08:58 |
| Daisy | You are back, Fdot . :) | 08:58 |
| Fdot | have a good day/night everybody :) | 08:58 |
| Fdot | Daisy, yes i am back :) | 08:58 |
| anish__ | thank you Daisy | 08:58 |
| Daisy | Thank you, anish__ | 08:58 |
| epico | thank you Daisy | 08:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 14:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic kilo release status | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
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| dguryanov | o/ | 14:00 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, its kilo-2 release day, and non-priority feature freeze day | 14:00 |
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| n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-2 | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | We certainly have the last few blueprints that could still make it | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mostly either needing one more +2 or already going through the gate | 14:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:01 |
| claudiub | \o | 14:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #help please look at kilo-2 blueprints and help finish off the last few | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets talk FFE exception process | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | the goal was to have no exceptions | 14:02 |
| dansmith | +1 | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | so no FFE ? | 14:02 |
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| dansmith | I have already been pinged asking about FFE sponsorship | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: unless its exceptional | 14:02 |
| mnestratov | o/ | 14:02 |
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| aburluka | o/ | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways lets think this through... | 14:03 |
| alexpilotti | johnthetubaguy: was wondering about thsi one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127159/ | 14:03 |
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| alexpilotti | johnthetubaguy: it already had a +2, lost in the usual ethernal rebases | 14:03 |
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| alexpilotti | johnthetubaguy: and I was wondering why it got de-approved being a “medium” BP | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its an email to ML, describing why its useful | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | how many core approvals ? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | alexpilotti: its release day, so it got bumped | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I am not doing that bit yet | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the email then has to get a +2 from two nova-drivers, and nova-drivers have the usual −2 veto, as part of that | 14:04 |
| alexpilotti | johnthetubaguy: bumped as in requiring FFE? | 14:04 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | its like a re-approve of the spec, basically | 14:04 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: wait, what? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I thought "filter through drivers" meant more than just "two drivers sponsor it" | 14:05 |
| dansmith | I was thinking more like "all drivers agree" or "majority agree" | 14:05 |
| dansmith | but you were thinking just two? | 14:05 |
| alaski | dansmith: +1. I figured we would discuss as a group | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I was thinking we get to veto some, as the backup | 14:06 |
| mdbooth | FWIW, I would be -1 on the design here. It has been problematic in VMware. | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, lets discuss it as a group | 14:06 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I say we just pick a submission deadline, then have a meeting and run through them | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we try to find a meeting time a week tomorrow for nova-driver to vote on the requests? | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | with the deadline for submission being next weeks nova-meeting? | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | that's fine with me | 14:07 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, could you do the vote at next week's nova meeting? | 14:07 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: dansmith works for me as well | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: it will be an open IRC meeting when it happens, I hope, but not quite then | 14:08 |
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| neiljerram | I'm confused, are you talking about voting on exceptions for specs and/or code that have just been bumped? | 14:08 |
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| n0ano | as long as it at a specific date | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to email about the exception process | 14:08 |
| bauzas | neiljerram: talking about features | 14:08 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: it would be good to get ttx in the loop about the process in advance | 14:08 |
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| neiljerram | bauzas: OK, thanks | 14:09 |
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| sdague | I think he felt blind sided on the FFEs for nova last time, and that it went so long | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good point, I will catch up with him later anyways, I will bring that up | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so any more questions on the release and its process right now? | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the plan is to tag the release before the end of "today" where today might be in an obscure timezone, if required | 14:10 |
| dguryanov | We have almost complemed work on blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pcs-support | 14:10 |
| neiljerram | I'm not sure - does this interact with looking at stuck reviews later in this meeting? | 14:10 |
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| mnestratov | dguryanov: I would like to ask for exception for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149253/ | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dguryanov: its delayed till kilo at this point, without an exception | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yes, lets talk reviews later | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo priorities | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo priorities (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | the above link contains lots of stuff that urgently needs reviews | 14:11 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | new are the bugs at the bottom, where a lovely team are tracking bug fixes that are ready to go and get merged | 14:12 |
| bauzas | sounds like the bugbuster process is working | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please consult https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking for bugs and blueprint patches to review | 14:12 |
| dansmith | yes, the bug hitlist is working very well, IMHO | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:12 |
| sdague | agreed | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | So, do we have any major updates or worries from the priority list? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | do you need to cap the list ? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: it is capped already | 14:13 |
| bauzas | we're trying to keep the list by 20 | 14:13 |
| bauzas | itzmq | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, that's me who capped it | 14:13 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but maybe we can raise the bar | 14:13 |
| dansmith | no | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets go with what we have | 14:13 |
| bauzas | ack | 14:13 |
| dansmith | I think it's good to keep it capped | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | +1 | 14:14 |
| dansmith | it's much harder to track whether I've been through all of them if there are too many | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, a cap is good, 20 seems like a good start | 14:14 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:14 |
| bauzas | how long do we keep track of the merged ones ? | 14:14 |
| lxsli | incidentally gerrit 2.9 brings is:mergeable and delta:<50 search options | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: launchpad does that, maybe add a tag if you want to track them after they merge | 14:14 |
| dansmith | bauzas: it's just informational right now, so lets keep them for a while | 14:14 |
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| dansmith | we've merged 30 fixes since the midcycle, that seems really good | 14:15 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yeah my point was just when to delete them from the etherpad, because they're stroke | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets not bog down in that, lets just try keep it lightweight and sustainable | 14:15 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I know | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | probably when they get annoying | 14:15 |
| sdague | lxsli: nice | 14:15 |
| lxsli | maybe in a month we can do a little analysis of how the process is working then cleanup the merged ones | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe add a tag in launchpad, and it will help track stuff | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but lets move on, thats good stuff though | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on priorities? | 14:16 |
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| anteaya | do you want me here? | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: yes, if there are updates | 14:16 |
| anteaya | sure | 14:16 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147723/ | 14:16 |
| anteaya | that is the spec part 1 I would like to get merged | 14:16 |
| anteaya | mikal and jogo have reviewed from nova, thank you | 14:17 |
| sdague | fwiw - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126309/ is really dubious in size for "quick bug fix", it would be nice if these were smaller things than that | 14:17 |
| anteaya | dansmith: if you could review then I will bug neutron folks to get it merged | 14:17 |
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| anteaya | there is also code at | 14:17 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/migration-from-nova-net,n,z | 14:17 |
| dansmith | sdague: that is entirely not a trivial fix | 14:17 |
| anteaya | for folks waiting to see a proof of concept | 14:17 |
| anteaya | done | 14:17 |
| dansmith | anteaya: okay | 14:18 |
| anteaya | thanks | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, some progress there, which is great | 14:18 |
| anteaya | it is | 14:19 |
| anteaya | :) | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic gate status | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't seem to be crazy right now which is nice | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | not got any specific updates, so lets move on I guess... | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now, we had some great progress above already | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | any specifics we want to cover? | 14:20 |
| lxsli | I think dims deserves some love on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146294/ | 14:20 |
| lxsli | He's in rebase hell atm | 14:21 |
| sdague | the ext4 link is no good, did that merge? | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: unsure, I was trying to work that out too | 14:21 |
| danpb | sdague: yes | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: I am tempted to say we should merge that tomorrow, post kilo-2 release | 14:21 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 14:22 |
| lxsli | works for me | 14:22 |
| sdague | if we agree the olso change should merge, we can just have one person work with dims and jam it in, whenever everyone agrees | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways no one else has piped up, the others should be considered for the bug hit list if required | 14:22 |
| sdague | I can do that on friday with him | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: awesome plan, thank you | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | So the list is massive, but half of them look like blueprints that are now unapproved till L | 14:23 |
| dguryanov | This one is almost approved - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149222/14 | 14:23 |
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| sdague | yeh, I think my only issue was the missing rootwrap filter | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | dguryanov: but it looks like its all dependent on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149253/2 | 14:24 |
| sdague | which looks fixed | 14:24 |
| mnestratov | dguryanov: Yes, guys please pay attention on this | 14:24 |
| mgoddard1 | Could we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153230 please? | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dguryanov: thats why this blueprint has been punted to L right now, didn't look like we could merge that today :( | 14:24 |
| dansmith | mgoddard1: that has been posted for less than an hour | 14:25 |
| mdbooth | This one is trivial, just needs another +2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134499/ | 14:25 |
| danpb | this isn't critical for Kilo-2 - I'd just like some review on it so we can try to merge during Kilo-3 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:virtimageinfo,n,z | 14:25 |
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| mnestratov | johnthetubaguy: split this chain then | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: we can't merge it during kilo-3, its not a priority item | 14:25 |
| neiljerram | Can I ask about / pitch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146914/ ? | 14:25 |
| lxsli | mdbooth: that has a -1 from dansmith | 14:25 |
| mdbooth | lxsli: Yeah, I can't account for that | 14:26 |
| mdbooth | dansmith: ^^^ See the problem? | 14:26 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: its a bug | 14:26 |
| dansmith | mdbooth: yep | 14:26 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: and bugs are priorit items IIUC | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bugs are fine, yes, I thought you meant pcs, got confused, sorry | 14:27 |
| edleafe | I could use some core nova-specs re-review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138444/ | 14:27 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: the parallels stack below the config drive patch is approved now, the bottom patch just needed the rootwrap fix | 14:27 |
| mgoddard1 | dansmith: Ok, next time after it has been up for longer | 14:27 |
| edleafe | It adds the changes we agreed on at the midcycle | 14:27 |
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| dansmith | mgoddard1: the stuck reviews section is for reviews that are stuck, not unreviewed.. please be patient | 14:27 |
| dguryanov | sdague: I've added rootwrap | 14:28 |
| dguryanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149222/15/etc/nova/rootwrap.d/compute.filters | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: can you work with the folks to get that in the next few hours, I don't mind helping a bit too, and we can get that in then | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: I think he was talking about the bug | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: but the bugs topic has been discussed fast, so he probably missed it | 14:29 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well, all the patches up until your -2 are now actually in approved state | 14:29 |
| dansmith | bauzas: maybe, but .. review link :) | 14:29 |
| sdague | I'm rechecking tests on one | 14:29 |
| bauzas | dansmith: agreed | 14:29 |
| dims_ | so, am very happy about the quick hit bugs we are tracking on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking - thanks everyone for working that list! | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: its just that didn't have any work done on it in 7 days, so I figured it wasn't going to happen today, but I am fine with the rest landing, for sure | 14:29 |
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| flip214 | Regarding DRBD, I heard quite a few people wanting that in. is there going to be a vote about that, so that there's a chance to get the -1/-2 removed? That's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134153/ | 14:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: cool, I'll look at the other patches | 14:30 |
| dguryanov | We wanted to fix it together with LXC bug :) | 14:30 |
| dims_ | 34 bugs were merged! | 14:30 |
| dguryanov | with this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1340834 | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets back up... | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | do any of these reviews need some discussion, because of negative comments, etc? | 14:31 |
| claudiub | I also want to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140313/ -- I've asked on ML, how microversioning impacts contrib/*.py | 14:31 |
| pczesno | about vhostuser patches , can someone please have a look at them? it's a feature that's been around since juno | 14:31 |
| alex_xu | claudiub: microversion won't impact contrib/*.py | 14:31 |
| pczesno | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/libvirt-vif-vhost-user,n,z | 14:31 |
| sdague | dgonzalez: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149253 needs to pass tests though, which it currently doesn't | 14:31 |
| mnestratov | johnthetubaguy: only the last in the series | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: thats a good question, but thats going to have to wait until L now :( | 14:32 |
| andymaier | From the 4 remaining system z patch sets, can we get these two approved? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149242/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149653/ | 14:32 |
| markus_z | A previously merged review introduced a bug which couldn't be found by the gate tests because the unit test mocked on a wrong level and a CI environment for system z is still under construction. This bug will *always* cause a failure of the spawn on sytem z. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149653/ | 14:32 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: This one is trivial, but it has a -1 from dansmith, which is an effective death sentence: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134499/ | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | andymaier: we can't merge those ones because the blueprint is not approved | 14:34 |
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| andymaier | the blueprint was approved until recently | 14:34 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: this one is alraedy 2 +2'd -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144792/ | 14:34 |
| sgordon | johnthetubaguy, i think flip214 asked about the DRBD patches - there was an exception email for them a while back (two actually) but i don't think there was ever any response - code is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134153/ | 14:34 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: just waiting on the dependent parts in ironic-client to move through the gate and then we'll trigger a recheck on the nova patch | 14:34 |
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| devananda | johnthetubaguy: think we can get that into k2 ? | 14:34 |
| flip214 | sgordon: there was one follow-up mail, duncant saying he'd like to see that in. | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: when will the client be ready? | 14:34 |
| danpb | devananda: as soon as the tempest tests show green i was going to +A it | 14:35 |
| sgordon | flip214, right - duncan is cinder core though - no input from the nova side to confirm accept/deny | 14:35 |
| devananda | johnthetubaguy: the parts are in the gate _now_. I'll tag a client as soon as they land | 14:35 |
| dansmith | danpb: devananda same | 14:35 |
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| danpb | so its just dependant on how fast you can get the ironic stuff done | 14:35 |
| dansmith | devananda: ping me when it happens | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | sgordon: I will follow up on the ML about that, I thought mikal was sending an email on that one, basically they are denied, see the comments on the nova-spec | 14:35 |
| devananda | dan*: great, thanks. will do | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | devananda: dansmith: awesome, let me know when its ready, so we get the tagging ready, etc | 14:36 |
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| neiljerram | Is there any core interest in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146914/ (VIF_TYPE_TAP)? I thought there might be, following ML discussions around the time that the spec was being honed in Nov/Dec. | 14:36 |
| mnestratov | thank you guys | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | neiljerram: blueprint is not approved any more, as its passed the kilo-2 feature freeze now | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets move on to things the whole group can help with... | 14:37 |
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| TobiasE | Multi-Attach https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143114/ is now being split into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153033/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153038/ | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kilo meetup was fun | 14:38 |
| TobiasE | Is a feature freeze exception needed? | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-midcycle for details on the midcylce | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, sorry just for my undersatnding - can we approve patches today still ? | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | or not? | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: ideally, only things you want landing in kilo-2, but the gate is not (yet) totally jammed | 14:39 |
| sgordon | there was a list of stuff that is close here: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-2 | 14:39 |
| ndipanov | yes that's wha tI meant | 14:39 |
| ndipanov | approved bp + patch close | 14:39 |
| ndipanov | since I assumed the -2s come tomorrow | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | TobiasE: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multi-attach-volume has been delated until L at this point, without an exception | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: they are starting right now | 14:40 |
| soren | Can we talk about the EC2 API now? | 14:40 |
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| ndipanov | ok | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: the kilo-2 list is trimmed down to stuff we think *might* still make it | 14:40 |
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| ndipanov | Ok well I won't approve any more stuff not on the list | 14:40 |
| ndipanov | that's basically what I wanted to know | 14:40 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: can this still be ok for kilo? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-test-refactoring it's literally just unit tests, all code is up, and we really need to remove the mox usage... | 14:41 |
| danpb | sdague added a open discussion item about the hypervisor support matrix that is now merged in GIT - I sent a mail to kickstart further discussion here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056093.html | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: OK, sorry, thats probably best, I mean important bugs are cool too | 14:41 |
| ndipanov | bugs - sure | 14:41 |
| mriedem | can we leave the exception requests to the ML please? | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:41 |
| mriedem | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | soren: you had some questions on ec2, I see the spec discussion linked on the agenda | 14:41 |
| soren | There were 3-5 separate discussions (one one a spec patch, one on a nova code patch, and two separate mailing list discussions) about the EC2 api, so I think it'd be useful to sync up on it real quick. | 14:42 |
| soren | Basically, we'd like to keep it right where it is and throw some people at getting it into better shape. | 14:42 |
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| soren | ...but there seems to be a bit of lack of clarity as to whether that'd be possible if it got marked deprecated. | 14:43 |
| dansmith | who is "we" ? | 14:43 |
| soren | Me and my team (at Reliance). | 14:43 |
| mriedem | what do the cloudscaling guys say about that? | 14:43 |
| mriedem | compare git logs between the nova ec2 tree and the ec2-api repo in stackforge | 14:43 |
| mriedem | much different levels of activity | 14:44 |
| danpb | from the discussions it seems like the consensus was that we'd bugfix in-tree EC2 for a whle longer, but the long term direction for feature dev work was the out of tree impl | 14:44 |
| dansmith | agree that seems to be the consensus | 14:44 |
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| soren | I think we have different ideas about what "consensus" means :) | 14:44 |
| mriedem | the one big bug that was blocking latest boto was fixed this week | 14:44 |
| danpb | it didn't see any strong desire from the majority todo any real feature work on in-tree EC2 api | 14:44 |
| dansmith | to me, marking it deprecated helps communicate that we only really want fixes | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | soren: I think we allow bug fixes to deprecated code, so it doesn't block that work | 14:44 |
| soren | Yes, it does help that... but that's not what we want. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | if we only want bug fixes i'd probably say it's in maintenance/stable mode rather than deprecated | 14:45 |
| soren | We think keeping it inside Nova is the sounder approach. | 14:45 |
| danpb | its really a matter of timing as to when in-tree impl will go away, rather than if it will go away | 14:45 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: call it frozen if you want, but deprecated has meant "no new features, only fixes, planning to eject this at some point" for our stuff in the past | 14:45 |
| danpb | soren: without wishing to speak for anyone else, that seems like a minority opinion right now | 14:45 |
| dansmith | it's also not "stable" by any definition, IMHO :) | 14:46 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah, just sounds like if it will go out is still up in the air | 14:46 |
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| sdague | soren: so if we were to reverse that decision to focus on the out of tree implementation, we'd need a really hard cut off about "nope, didn't get it up to snuff" | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | soren: honestly, this seems like a mid-cycle / summit discussion, that will go much better if we have lots of bug fixes merged, and better testing, by the time the summit comes around, does that make sense? | 14:46 |
| sdague | because there have been repeated statements by folks that said they would work on it | 14:46 |
| sdague | that didn't | 14:46 |
| soren | sdague, johnthetubaguy: I understand. | 14:46 |
| danpb | assuming Nova API provides sufficient functionality there's no compelling reason to keep EC2 in tree | 14:46 |
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| soren | I just ask for one last chance. | 14:46 |
| sdague | soren: so, how about the following | 14:46 |
| soren | ...but if everyone is hell bent on ripping it out, we don't want to waste our time. | 14:47 |
| sdague | instead of 'deprecated' we mark it 'experimental' like the cells code | 14:47 |
| dansmith | I'm definitely hell bent | 14:47 |
| dansmith | ...on lots of things :) | 14:47 |
| soren | I've noticed :) | 14:47 |
| sdague | we give it until summit | 14:47 |
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| dims_ | soren: anyone arranging a ec2 weekly meeting? | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: we could un-deprecate at the summit I guess? | 14:47 |
| sdague | and evaluate both the state of the code, and the state of testing for it (which is also lacking) | 14:47 |
| soren | dims_: I don't think we need more meetings and discussion. We need engineering and code. | 14:47 |
| dansmith | calling it experimental is just silly, IMHO | 14:48 |
| soren | There's been plenty of talk, not much code. | 14:48 |
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| swamireddy | I am planning for EC2 weekly meetings | 14:48 |
| sdague | I'm personally ok on giving it until summit and making final decision there | 14:48 |
| danpb | i'd just label it as being "maintenance mode" if we want todo something right now | 14:48 |
| dansmith | sdague: so my problem with that, | 14:49 |
| dims_ | sdague: if a good plan materializes with people behind it actively working on it | 14:49 |
| dansmith | sdague: is that we have a group of folks that are *actually* actively working on a usable modern ec2 api for nova | 14:49 |
| danpb | and re-evaluate at end of Kilo-3 to see if we should call it something different for final release | 14:49 |
| dansmith | sdague: seeing if a small group can do enough in the next three months to convince us to keep a duplicate thing doesn't seem like a good use of resources to me | 14:49 |
| rushiagr | I request we (Reliance) and other people get to add tempest tests too, and think about moving them out later..as this would hinder consolidating the test coverage work.. | 14:49 |
| soren | dansmith: I know it's not a lot, but we have a number of patches for the in-tree EC2 API that just haven't gotten reviewed. | 14:49 |
| sdague | dansmith: sure, that's also fair | 14:49 |
| dansmith | sdague: seems like most people think that, technically, the other project is superior, even if it needs polish | 14:50 |
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| soren | dansmith: So the complete lack of activity isn't entirely accurate. | 14:50 |
| dansmith | soren: there's another point to be made there | 14:50 |
| danpb | as it is in tree EC2 inevitably suffers from the nova-core bottleneck | 14:50 |
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| dansmith | soren: which is "relative success of the other project vs. core attention in nova proper" | 14:50 |
| danpb | so doing it out of tree could dramatically increase its speed of development | 14:50 |
| sdague | soren: well, there's also the issue that ec2 focused folks seem only interested in ec2, and not the rest of nova | 14:50 |
| soren | danpb: We also disagree on what "inevitable" means, apparently :) | 14:50 |
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| sdague | which makes it a hard fit for intree | 14:51 |
| dansmith | right | 14:51 |
| soren | Frankly, my concern is not which git repo it lives in. | 14:51 |
| dims_ | soren: +1 to engineering and code | 14:51 |
| soren | It's where it sits architecturally. | 14:51 |
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| dansmith | so, I don't really see that our internal compute interface does much for the ec2 layer at all | 14:52 |
| soren | And I think the rigth place -- architecturally -- is in Nova. | 14:52 |
| dansmith | if anything, the ec2 layer jumps through hoops to continue working with whatever we evolve the internal interface to be | 14:52 |
| dims_ | soren: you mean ability to run as part of nova processes | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, so the out of tree thing is assumed to talk to our REST API, not direct to our objects, or did I miss a bit? | 14:52 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: yep, that's correct | 14:52 |
| soren | dansmith: ...and that will only get worse if it's moved outside entirely. | 14:53 |
| dansmith | it has its own mapping tables, and lots of inefficient iteration of resources to translate them into a useful result for the ec2 client | 14:53 |
| bauzas | soren: why a 3rd-party API should reside naturally in-tree ? | 14:53 |
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| dansmith | soren: the approach we take means that it continues to get worse in tree too, since we mostly ignore it | 14:54 |
| danpb | i think it'd benefit nova development as a whole if ec2 were just using our public APIs and not poking at internals as it'd be one less thing to worry about when refactoring code | 14:54 |
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| bauzas | danpb: +1 | 14:54 |
| dims_ | danpb: +1 | 14:54 |
| dansmith | soren: we do what we want for the openstack api, and then force fit ec2 until it passes the few tests we have | 14:54 |
| edleafe | danpb: +1 | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 to that | 14:54 |
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| sdague | danpb: agreed, and if we need to add some APIs to support it, I think that's legit | 14:54 |
| alex_xu | danpb: +1 | 14:54 |
| soren | danpb: Quite the opposite. Having multiple frontends should keep the separation of the various layers cleaner. | 14:54 |
| danpb | sdague: absolutely | 14:54 |
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| soren | It just hasn't, because the EC2 API hasn't gotten sufficient attention. | 14:54 |
| dansmith | danpb: +1 | 14:54 |
| sdague | and should be in the priority item list, so could still merge through K3 | 14:54 |
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| russellb | agreed with danpb, sdague | 14:54 |
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| danpb | if our current API is insufficient to implenent an out of tree EC2, then it is probably insufficient for many other use cases too | 14:55 |
| danpb | so improving our public API will help more than just the EC2 impl | 14:55 |
| * anteaya has a question about http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html when we are changing topics | 14:55 | |
| bauzas | 5 mins left | 14:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yes, I am with you there, lets add the APIs EC2 api might need | 14:55 |
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| anteaya | can I get a definition of 'choice' and 'condition' in that matrix? | 14:56 |
| dansmith | so, given the swath of +1s above, how is deprecation not the right word at this point? :) | 14:56 |
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| danpb | anteaya: so 'condition' was an attempt to represent the idea that the feature was conditional on another feature existing first | 14:56 |
| dansmith | given what it has meant in the past | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | soren: just to work out the issues, is this because you don't want EC2 talking to the REST API? | 14:56 |
| anteaya | danpb: ah | 14:56 |
| soren | johnthetubaguy: That's a major part of it, yes. | 14:56 |
| danpb | anteaya: wihle 'choice' was an attempt to represent the idea that at least one out of a set of possible feature should be chosen | 14:56 |
| anteaya | danpb: thanks | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | soren: the problem is we don't want to maintain any more external backwards compatibile apis other than the rest API, as we are really bad at doing that right now | 14:57 |
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| mriedem | danpb: how about some definitions for the status values in the page? | 14:57 |
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| danpb | anteaya: its fairly crude but it was the best i came up with so far. obviously suggestions welcome for improvements | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I think it should be deprecated too, givne this discussion, we can always go back on that | 14:58 |
| soren | johnthetubaguy: The only way to ensure Nova's data model is rich enough to support an EC2 API is if it's part of Nova. | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | danpb: none come to mind at present, but if that changes I will find you | 14:58 |
| danpb | mriedem: yes, that would probably help - right now they were just definined in the .ini file | 14:58 |
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| soren | johnthetubaguy: The newly proposed implementation's reaching around into Nova's database is a clear indication of this. | 14:58 |
| bauzas | soren: OCCI API could say the same words, but that's also a 3rd-party API | 14:58 |
| dansmith | soren: what? | 14:58 |
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| soren | bauzas: What's your point? | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | soren: I guess we are saying, some with API requirements for what you need, and add those instead | 14:58 |
| danpb | soren: no that's just an indication of our APIs being insufficient | 14:59 |
| dansmith | soren: the out of tree implementation shouldn't need to see nova's database, that's the point of what was said about adding APIs where needed | 14:59 |
| danpb | soren: if it had been out of tre all the along, we would have fixed the gaps in our APIs long ago | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | soren: I certainly disagree with it talking to the API and the database | 14:59 |
| bauzas | soren: just to say that EC2 API is not a native API, so that sounds reasonable to envisage it as out-of-tree, and proxying to the native API | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | its time... | 14:59 |
| danpb | instead no one bothered to fix the APIs and just made the code poke at the DB | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, thats broken | 14:59 |
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| soren | bauzas: EC2 was there first. | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so its time | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:00 |
| soren | bauzas: So it's really more native than the OpenStack API :) | 15:00 |
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| lxsli | Sounds like violent agreement: soren wants to fix internal APIs to be rich enough, danpb wants to fix REST API | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | more chat in #openstack-nova as normal | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: thank you | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 15:00:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-05-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-05-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-02-05-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 15:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:01 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| _elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #topic kilo-2 | 15:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | this is tagged and bagged as of yesterday afternoon | 15:02 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-2 | 15:02 |
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| prad | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | good stuff | 15:03 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | self-disabled-pollster, disk-info-meters, ceilometer-configuration-via-data-store all bumped to kilo-3 as the patches weren't going to land in time | 15:03 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | but should be able to land pretty early in k3 I think | 15:03 |
| fabiog | eglynn: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142592/ ready for review | 15:03 |
| fabiog | :-) | 15:03 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: I've already added some comments regarding to what we were discussing yestreday | 15:04 |
| fabiog | ildikov: saw that will respond later today | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | #topic kilo-3 plans | 15:05 |
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| ildikov | fabiog: cool | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | so I'd really like to do a full-court press on the outstanding gnocchi/ceilometer integration tasks for kilo-3 | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | ... i.e. make those tasks the top priority for the last kilo milestone | 15:06 |
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| gordc | we have a list of todos? | 15:06 |
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| gordc | or unassigned items more specifically. | 15:06 |
| eglynn | gordc: so I was discussing this jd last week and I came up with this rough list http://bit.ly/gnocchi-ceilo-k3-tasks | 15:07 |
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| gordc | cool cool. | 15:07 |
| eglynn | I'd ask anyone with available bandwidth this milestone thinks about picking up one or more of those tasks | 15:08 |
| eglynn | pretty please :) | 15:08 |
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| jasonamyers | eglynn are any of those a good place for a n00b to join in? | 15:09 |
| cdent | I think I'll have at least some | 15:09 |
| eglynn | jasonamyers: yeah, I'm sure we could find something newbie-suitable | 15:09 |
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| jasonamyers | then I'd love to help | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | excellent :) | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | we should probably generate a bunch of blueprints from those rough task descriptions for tracking purposes | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | though I think the launchpad footprint that jd__ created for gnocchi is for bugs only | 15:10 |
| eglynn | i.e. no BP support on https://launchpad.net/gnocchi | 15:10 |
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| ityaptin | eglynn, I will be happy take some tasks :) | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin: excellent, thanks! | 15:11 |
| prad | I can help out with a few as well, lemme know | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | prad: thank you sir! | 15:13 |
| idegtiarov | eglynn: I also will be happy to help with that tasks. | 15:13 |
| eglynn | idegtiarov: cool :) | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | so I guess we'll be tracking these items via https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer if no BPs on launchpad.net/gnocchi | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | but for now, if any task catches your eye, please just add your nick to the Assignee column of that googledoc sheet | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | ok, moving on | 15:15 |
| eglynn | #topic gnocchi | 15:15 |
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| sileht | eglynn, this week I have played with autoscaling use-case and gnocchi, and I have a working setup | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | sileht: excellent! ... did that require much change or any change to heat? | 15:17 |
| cdent | yeah, I was going to mention that a) that's very cool b) we should be actively sharing such experiments more visibly so as to create some energy | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | (to set the requirement user metadata for the instance server_group) | 15:17 |
| sileht | I have ~ 10 patches to finish to fix tiny issue I have found and the heat resources | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | coolness! | 15:18 |
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| sileht | eglynn, Heat part was really simple, I have created two resources, most of the code is shared with already existings heat resource | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | excellent, the less disruption on the heat side, the better for gnocchi adoption | 15:19 |
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| * eglynn starting looking at what's coming up in the next InfluxDB 0.9.0 release | 15:20 | |
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| eglynn | interestingly they've renamed the "shard space" feature (for efficient expiry of older datapoints) | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | it's now called: "retention policies" | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | sounds very familiar :) | 15:22 |
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| gordc | start trademarking the names you come up with. | 15:22 |
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| cdent | /kick goodes | 15:22 |
| cdent | whoops that was supposed to be | 15:23 |
| gordc | new job in advertising | 15:23 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:23 |
| cdent | /kick gordc | 15:23 |
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| gordc | ... please don't kick the goods... | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi status? | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | k, we're burning thu' the agenda today :) | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:25 |
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| mmester | Writing an abstract on OSS & Ceilometer | 15:25 |
| mmester | wondering the interest level | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | mmester: an abstract? ... in the sense of a topic proposal for the conference track in Vancouver? | 15:26 |
| mmester | yeah | 15:26 |
| mmester | sorry | 15:26 |
| gordc | is "what is oss?" a stupid question? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | yeah I think there are several ceilometer-related proposals already in the works from various team members | 15:27 |
| eglynn | ... but definitely the more the better | 15:27 |
| eglynn | OSS == open source software? | 15:28 |
| mmester | Operational Support Serivces | 15:28 |
| eglynn | a-ha :) | 15:28 |
| mmester | more Cielometer from an ops point of view | 15:28 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:28 |
| eglynn | excellent | 15:28 |
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| gordc | mmester: you can promote it on openstack-ceilometer when you've submitted so we can check it out | 15:28 |
| eglynn | mmester: yeah, if you want any upfront reviews on your proposal just shout on IRC | 15:29 |
| mmester | ok cool. Ill send it up there later today or maybe tomorrow. Want to fine tune it | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | mmester: as you're probably aware, there's a weird system for selection of sessions for the conference track | 15:30 |
| eglynn | mmester: ... there's a public vote, but that can be overturned by the conference track chairs | 15:30 |
| cdent | I would love to see/hear an ops view on ceilometer | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | me too | 15:30 |
| gordc | full disclaimer, have a proposal that is somewhat ops related but it's a pretty broad topic anyways | 15:31 |
| cdent | I have a general question about how far down the rabbit hole to go wth gabbi tests of ceilometer and gnocchi? | 15:31 |
| cdent | If I chase some stuff that is sort of like but not quite bugs I'll be needing to make patches to wsme and pecan. | 15:32 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... in terms of the fullness of the API coverage? | 15:32 |
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| cdent | eglynn: not in covering the api. mostly in terms of dealing with weird inputs | 15:34 |
| eglynn | cdent: I would try to avoid getting too bogged down in wsme & pecan if you can | 15:34 |
| cdent | for example if you pass a bogus mime type on a put to ceilo api it will cause an untrapped exception | 15:34 |
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| cdent | so instead of getting a 4xx back, you'll get a 500 (assuming the server traps the exception). In testing you just get the exception | 15:35 |
| eglynn | cdent: a-ha, k ... so if those are simple enough patches that woud be relatively quick to land, then I guess have at it | 15:35 |
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| cdent | the other main thing I've been finding are missing location headers, but we've talked about that before | 15:37 |
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| cdent | given unlimited time I'd boot pecan right out the door | 15:39 |
| eglynn | cdent: smoking out those kinds of inconsistencies in the API (e.g. lack of expected location header) sounds like an excellent secondary benefit to this program of gabbi testing | 15:39 |
| cdent | I'm intentionlly making the tests in a sort of black box kind of way: I make requests and see what happens | 15:40 |
| cdent | and I reckon its the primary benefit as most of the actual data stuff is covered by the existing api tests | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | cool | 15:41 |
| cdent | secondary seems to be that its an excellent learning tool | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | so that kind of thing would seem to make sense to fix ... as it's under our direct control, as long it can be done in a backward compatible way | 15:41 |
| cdent | I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the api better | 15:41 |
| cdent | where it => writing gabbi tests for some api they don't know | 15:41 |
| eglynn | (e.g. without changing the status codes etc.) | 15:41 |
| * cdent nods | 15:41 | |
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| * eglynn digs out jay's old API change guidelines ... | 15:42 | |
| gordc | cdent: how terrible is the api currently? | 15:42 |
| eglynn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | specifically https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines#Adding_New_Header_OK.3B_Changing_Response_Code_Not_So_Much | 15:42 |
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| cdent | gordc: are you asking my opinion on its behavior and practical aspects or on its style and cachet? | 15:43 |
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| gordc | the former? | 15:43 |
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| cdent | I haven't touched stats or events yet, but meters and the half of alarms I've covered do the job they describe without being too terribly wrong. | 15:44 |
| gordc | probably too overloaded a question... but i guess it's good to know you're getting roughly what you expect. | 15:45 |
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| cdent | oh I'm not getting what I _expect_ but I am getting what's _advertised_. | 15:45 |
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| cdent | I trust you get the difference? | 15:46 |
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| gordc | what are we advertising?... "you'll get something"? | 15:46 |
| cdent | there is an API and if you use it exactly like this it will do some stuff | 15:47 |
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| gordc | ah gotcha. | 15:47 |
| cdent | the issues are around: if you throw random crap at it, the behavior goes weird | 15:47 |
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| cdent | and in my expectations that's not good enough | 15:47 |
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| gordc | not as bad as i was thinking... always expect the worse = always pleasantly surprised. | 15:48 |
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| cdent | well presumably it has to at least work somewhat or else it wouldn't be usable and people do use it? | 15:48 |
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| jasonamyers | I have a question about how to get started contributing to ceilometer. I know how to do it for openstack, but I'm trying to find the right task to pick up here to get my feet wet. | 15:49 |
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| jasonamyers | and perhaps this is better directed in the normal chat channel | 15:50 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: any particular interest? db collection? metrics? stats? | 15:50 |
| jasonamyers | I like the db and metrics components | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | jasonamyers: would helping cdent out to extend the API coverage of the gabbi tests be something interesting to you? | 15:51 |
| jasonamyers | I'd give it a whirl | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | cool | 15:52 |
| cdent | yeah, feel free to come looking for me and I can point you in the right direction | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | excellent :) | 15:52 |
| jasonamyers | sounds good | 15:52 |
| cdent | I'm sort of doing it in three phases: phase one is get the basic framework in, phase two is get basic tests for each type of resource, phase three is more complex tests that check query strings and the like | 15:52 |
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| cdent | phase two is just getting started | 15:52 |
| jasonamyers | excellent I'll reach out outside of the meeting | 15:53 |
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| cdent | cool | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | ok, sounds like we're out of topics to discus | 15:54 |
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| gordc | back to openstack-ceilometer | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | cool, thanks for your time folks! | 15:54 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:55 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 15:55:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-05-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-05-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-02-05-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 22:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
| masayukig | \o | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_February_5th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:00 |
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| dkranz | \o | 22:00 |
| gmann | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:00 |
| riwinters | hi | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer, jogo, sdague: around? | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok, before we discuss the one I put on the agenda, does anyone have any open specs they'd like to discuss? | 22:02 |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:03 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: sorry just saying I'm here, no spec to discuss | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: heh I figured :) | 22:04 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | I did review this one earlier: https://review.openstack.org/144329 if someone else wanted to jump on it | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | if there aren't any other specs to bring up, I guess we can talk about the one I put on the agenda | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/152683 | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | so that's a rough draft of some ideas I had for how we'll change things in the QA program in the world under a big tent | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | I'm not sure where the doc should live eventually, but I figured it would be better to start righting down my ideas to start a discussion | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | I'm sure it'll come up at summit, but better to start early :) | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have a concern about the big tent thing here | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It might help if non-core projects could contribute some integration tests to make sure we do not break them | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: in general or in my wip spec? | 22:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: where "we" is the core projects you listed in the spec | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: tempest could still contain integration tests for non-core projects | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well that's the thing I was trying to outline, I don't really think that scales. | 22:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: such tests don't have to be gating | 22:08 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: not sure | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: then I'm not sure I understand, if they're not gating it doesn't prevent things breaking so why put them in tempest? | 22:10 |
| andreaf | dkranz: you mean run them post-merge or? | 22:10 |
| dkranz | andreaf: yes, post-merge. I not in tempest, where would they go? | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: there is also a cross-project spec from sdague on testing in general for openstack: | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/150653 | 22:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I had not seen that but will take a look. | 22:11 |
| andreaf | dkranz, mtreinish: so tempest could contain tests that we run in the gate but also test that we run periodically like we discussed in Paris I believe | 22:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I am just concerned that we will go from trying to test a complete stack well, and failing, to not testing one at all | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: sure, but I still think we should define what kinds of tests belong in tempest. | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | and make it easy for people to write things outside that scope in other places | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I thought we said tempest was integration tests | 22:12 |
| Rockyg | ++ dkranz | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the question is which projects can have integration tests in tempest | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: and I think you are suggesting it is only the new small set of "core" projects | 22:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: and I'm not sure that is a great idea | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: we did, but integration between what? When you have N^50 projects how can we keep on top of that | 22:13 |
| Rockyg | Agree with dkranz | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: in my view thos projects are the base where most things are built on top of | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | and if we ensure that's stable and works well it'll mean the greater ecosystem built on top of them will work better | 22:14 |
| Rockyg | I think there is a need to define what/how periodic intergation jobs would be put together/run | 22:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: for heat, yes, but things like ceilometer are not "on top" | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I didn't put ceilometer on that list, because there are other issues associated with that. But I put that list up as a starting point | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | I intended that list to be organic | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, fair enough | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I'm just suggesting that list could be larger than the co-gated list | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: anyway feel free to put comments in the spec I'm sure we won't reach a conclusion on this quickly :) | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, and I'm not sure it should be more than that | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other specs to discuss, I guess we can move on | 22:17 |
| Rockyg | Just a quick advert for the other review you mentioned: https://review.openstack.org/144329 | 22:18 |
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| Rockyg | We really need it to get finallized so we can get DefCore on Icehouse, Juno out before the summit | 22:18 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, Rockyg: I'll review it tomorrow | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, thanks | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | with that I guess we'll move on | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | ok so today was K-2, I think ttx just pushed the email out for the other projects | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | I don't think we landed any bps for this milestone (not a big deal) | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | but does anyone have any status updates on in progress bps? | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/ | 22:20 |
| andreaf | I do | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok go ahead | 22:20 |
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| andreaf | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/resource-cleanup | 22:21 |
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| ekhugen | andreaf sorry I'm late to the meeting, but what's going on with the resource-cleanup blueprint | 22:21 |
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| andreaf | there are a lot of contribution to that, but we're hitting a race condition issue on the juno jobs | 22:22 |
| andreaf | ekhugen, perhaps you have an update on that I just saw your patchset #27 or so passed the tests | 22:22 |
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| ekhugen | andreaf I think I'm narrowing it down, it's to do with the positioning of the credentials setup and client setup | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: a race on juno, is there a bug open for that? I can dig into it tomorrow | 22:23 |
| ekhugen | they can't be in two separate methods | 22:23 |
| ekhugen | mtreinish yes, there's a bug open from a long time ago | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | ekhugen: do you have a link? | 22:24 |
| Rockyg | Just wann point out this one is also high priority for Defcore. No pressure here ;-) | 22:24 |
| ekhugen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1357055 | 22:24 |
| gmann | ekhugen: its strange, having those in separate methods should not be any issue? | 22:24 |
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| ekhugen | gmann andreaf actually my latest patchset failed again, so forget what I said about separate methods | 22:26 |
| ekhugen | but it is something with credentials being in a separate method, because that was the part that caused it to fail | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | ok, I'll try to dive into that one tomorrow | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | I don't think we'll be able to sort it out in the meeting :) | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf_: was there anything else on this bp? I'm assuming you've got another one to discuss too | 22:27 |
| ekhugen | okay, thanks mtreinish | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have a bp to discuss? (we might have lost andreaf_) | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: any thing new in the world of devstack? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | besides the failed neutron as default switch? :) | 22:31 |
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| dtroyer | that's the big thing…we reverted default this morning back to nova-net | 22:31 |
| dtroyer | but also getting a working linuxbridge config appears to be non-trivial | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh, of that I have no doubt, I've never viewed setting anything up in neutron as trivial... | 22:32 |
| dtroyer | in other news, I'm continuing to work on the venv solution, three prelim reviews up already | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: cool do you have links? | 22:33 |
| dtroyer | sdague is working away at helping folks set up for the external plugins, and a new pkg format to emulate what distro package managers do for things that are not distro packaged | 22:33 |
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| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/151811 and https://review.openstack.org/151812 remain…looks like the first needs a recheck | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok thanks | 22:35 |
| dtroyer | sean is also working on some docs regarding direction for DevStack (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150789/) | 22:35 |
| dtroyer | that's all I have | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150789/ | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah I saw that, I haven't had a chance to comment on that doc yet | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: what do you mean by new pkg format | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | I'm not sure I follow, I get it's for installing non-python things which aren't in a distro. Is it just standarizing how we do that? | 22:37 |
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| dtroyer | basically yes. an example would be for docker to get any installs downloaded and running during stack.sh. This differs from the existing plugins partially by timing, but also in that these are not openstack projects (might be sourceforge though) | 22:38 |
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| dtroyer | there is some overlap between internal plugins, external plugins and the pkg stuff, we'll sort it as we go | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | ah ok, would we also be able to levarage this to install newer versions of things than in the in distro pkgs? | 22:39 |
| dtroyer | possibly. I think the libvirt-from-tar bits might work here | 22:39 |
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| dtroyer | although that paricular example has other complexities | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss on devstack? | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | #topic tempest-lib | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | so oomichi left a lot on the agenda about his work to do the service client migration | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | he also has a spec up to document the approach where we're having a good discussion about it: | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150356/ | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | the other thing on this is I pushed out a new tempest-lib release yesterday because there was an issue where tempest was using an exception class which wasn't in a tempest-lib release | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest-lib/tag/?id=0.2.0 | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | that was all I had on tempest-lib | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss on this? | 22:44 |
| andreaf | just mention that I'm working on migrating the auth framework | 22:44 |
| andreaf | I did most of the preparation work - under review | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ah, yeah sry I forgot. Do you have a link? | 22:45 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: just one question | 22:45 |
| andreaf | once that's approved I'll add auth.py to tempest-lib | 22:45 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: If we don't think any projects are going to use the tempest lib service clients, why bother to move them? | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I don't think all the services are going to use them. Like I know nova has no interest in them at this point | 22:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I am pretty sure marun was planning to use them. | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah he and heat are the only ones I know about at this point | 22:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so why not move them "on demand"? | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: we could do that (I think I brought that up in the spec review too :) ) My only concern is the consistency | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | but we can work around that | 22:47 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Given how hard it will be to change something once it moves, it seems better to wait until some one actually wants to use it so they can change it before moving. | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: fwiw, I think having the service clients in the lib with a consistent interface will just be a good thing to do | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: the other aspect is there has been some discussion as using them as a base client layer for non testing purposes | 22:48 |
| marun | mtreinish: nova is just behind :) | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | but that's a secondary concern | 22:48 |
| marun | mtreinish: they'll catch up eventually | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | marun: heh | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on this topic? | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | gmann: anything on the bug front? | 22:50 |
| * mtreinish just realized we should probably put devstack and grenade on that etherpad too | 22:51 | |
| gmann | mtreinish: nothing much. currenttly we have only 1 new bug which Salvatore is looking | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | ok cool | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | we probably should try to work through the 190 open bugs. If there are only 78 in progress that means there are a lot of triaged bugs without anything happening on | 22:52 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1357055 is the bug I was mentioning before - related to cleanup of resources | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: cool thanks, ekhugen pasted it when your connection dropped :) | 22:53 |
| gmann | mtreinish: there might be lot of invalid case as lot is changed in tempest (xml tests etc) | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: ok, we should probably schedule a time to go through that and do a purge then | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | but there isn't a huge rush | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | anyway ~5min left, so let's move | 22:54 |
| gmann | mtreinish: in triage rotation we can start looking in those when there is not much to triage? | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | gmann: sure that works | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137239/ | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | ^^^ That one was in the agenda | 22:55 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: yeah, I've wrote that. | 22:55 |
| masayukig | This patch has several things such as "Support for IPv6", refactoring, fixing comments etc.. So I'd like to know others opinion. | 22:56 |
| andreaf | I also have one | 22:57 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151206/ | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: hmm it does seem like a hodgepodge in the commit message | 22:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That patch does have the test renaming issue | 22:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: we need to decide if we are going to allow that before unique ids are in | 22:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I mean masayukig's patch | 22:57 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: yes. | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: does it? But that's a good point if it does | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | anyway we're at time, we can discuss this in -qa | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 23:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| masayukig | thanks | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-05-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-05-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-02-05-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| gmann | Thanks all | 23:00 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks! | 23:02 |
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