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gilliard | nova? | 13:59 |
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flip214 | +1 | 13:59 |
johnthetubaguy | indeed | 13:59 |
johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 14:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
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johnthetubaguy | lets do something similar | 14:00 |
bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo Specs | 14:00 |
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PaulMurray | hi | 14:00 |
gilliard | hi | 14:00 |
johnthetubaguy | so, sepcs | 14:01 |
gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
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alexpilotti | hello! | 14:01 |
johnthetubaguy | lots of exception requests, not actually got through them all myself | 14:01 |
gilliard | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha | 14:01 |
edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
ekhugen | o/ | 14:01 |
flip214 | gilliard: I think the wakeup-call would be better in #openstack-nova, in case some people are not always joined to -meeting. | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | gilliard: I did that in openstack-nova, thats the norm I think | 14:02 |
gilliard | OK | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | so any questions on specs process at this point?> | 14:02 |
gilliard | missed that, sorry | 14:02 |
bauzas | and then, someone invented calendars | 14:02 |
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johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054039.html | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | we have deadlines coming up frast | 14:02 |
johnthetubaguy | fast | 14:02 |
bauzas | are we planning a Spec review day ? | 14:02 |
garyk | hi | 14:03 |
bauzas | mikal said he was considering it last time | 14:03 |
bauzas | but we're only 2 days lefy | 14:03 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: nope, that time has passed, I was hoping for a code review day on friday, but no sure anyone has stepped up at this point | 14:03 |
bauzas | yeah | 14:03 |
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johnthetubaguy | so 1/22 (today) is Feature Proposal Freeze day, we said | 14:04 |
bauzas | oh right | 14:04 |
johnthetubaguy | for all non priority code | 14:04 |
johnthetubaguy | #info FeatureProposalFreeze day today | 14:04 |
garyk | johnthetubaguy: is that specs or code? | 14:04 |
johnthetubaguy | garyk: code | 14:04 |
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flip214 | johnthetubaguy: is a spec, exception mail, and code up for review enough, or is there some other part of the process that needs to be followed? | 14:04 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: it's also the Spec Freeze Exception deadline nope ? | 14:04 |
johnthetubaguy | Feature freeze is 5th Feb | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: in theory we said 5th Feb, I think, which was a bit dumb | 14:05 |
bauzas | flip214: FPF means that you can only iterate on your existing patches | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | flip214: for now, yes, I think so | 14:05 |
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garyk | johnthetubaguy: why dumb. the fact that there is a meetup and everyone is in the same room could help | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: right, its a grey area with a spec exception pending, and code already up | 14:05 |
johnthetubaguy | garyk: fair point | 14:06 |
johnthetubaguy | I mean we should have picked today really | 14:06 |
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johnthetubaguy | but yeah, I wanted to have a chance to debate / fight at the mid cycle | 14:06 |
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bauzas | garyk: not all people will be present, so it's like 2nd grade citizenship for people who can't attend and expect approvals | 14:06 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: well not totally, but I get your point | 14:07 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed, wording was harsh | 14:07 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its fair really, but hopefully its fairly even handed | 14:07 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but you got my idea, if we allow the possibility to push up some reviews during midcycle, we need to also do that for remotees | 14:07 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: totally agreed | 14:08 |
johnthetubaguy | there are exceptions for anything remote or not | 14:08 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:08 |
johnthetubaguy | priority stuff can continue as normal | 14:08 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: hence the mail thing | 14:08 |
johnthetubaguy | right | 14:08 |
johnthetubaguy | anyways, we are going to a rat hole, all be it an important one | 14:08 |
johnthetubaguy | zooming back up... | 14:09 |
garyk | bauzas: it is not a matter of second class. | 14:09 |
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johnthetubaguy | the goal here is to get more priority code merged, and be fair to everyone else | 14:09 |
garyk | the fact is there may be a number of cores present in one place and if one can reach out to them then it would be easier | 14:09 |
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johnthetubaguy | by fair, when there is little chance of getting merged, we don't pretend it will still get into kilo | 14:09 |
garyk | i am sure yhat you can get a proxy to help you if it is importnat | 14:09 |
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johnthetubaguy | garyk: thats fair | 14:09 |
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johnthetubaguy | do email me if you want me to fight for something | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | but better | 14:10 |
dims__ | o/ | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | add your arguments in the spec review | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | so, any more questions on process? | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | dims__: you got one? | 14:10 |
edleafe | I think the point is we have to be aware not to ignore those not present at the meetup | 14:10 |
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johnthetubaguy | edleafe: agreed | 14:10 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: am good | 14:10 |
bauzas | finding the etherpad with all the asked exceptions | 14:10 |
johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 14:11 |
johnthetubaguy | #topic Priorities | 14:11 |
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johnthetubaguy | #info priorities following general kilo featurefreeze dates | 14:11 |
garyk | bauzas: feel free to ping me too and i can try and get some poeople to look | 14:11 |
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johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 14:12 |
johnthetubaguy | anyone got things to talk about? | 14:12 |
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johnthetubaguy | anteaya: you want to cover nova-network migration stuff? | 14:12 |
bauzas | garyk: thanks but I'll be in, I was just speaking for others' voices | 14:13 |
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dims__ | johnthetubaguy: ext4 ephemeral disk has been pending for a while - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1266262,n,z | 14:13 |
gilliard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:13 |
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gilliard | That has a few links to reviews linked to the priorities | 14:13 |
gilliard | anteya added some links to specs | 14:13 |
bauzas | I need to update this etherpad | 14:13 |
johnthetubaguy | right, posted that above, but yes, please update the etherpad | 14:14 |
johnthetubaguy | if there is nothing to actively discuss lets move on | 14:14 |
bauzas | and I have a stuck review for a priority BP, but let's discuss it later | 14:14 |
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johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:14 |
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johnthetubaguy | I don't see any folks around for that | 14:14 |
garyk | johnthetubaguy: back to priorities - we have features that were in review in juno and are still in review for kilo…. | 14:15 |
bauzas | FYI, I proposed a change for adding cells v1 testing in check pipeline | 14:15 |
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johnthetubaguy | seems like we need this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1410622 | 14:15 |
johnthetubaguy | garyk: right, but they are not a priority | 14:15 |
garyk | johnthetubaguy: is there a list of the priority features? | 14:16 |
johnthetubaguy | well thats unfair, they could be | 14:16 |
johnthetubaguy | yes | 14:16 |
johnthetubaguy | garyk: its merged in the specs repo, as agreed at the summit | 14:16 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: the last matt and i debugged was that the signatures on the wire is different from what keystone expects (boto) | 14:16 |
johnthetubaguy | well agreed technicaly in the nova-spec review that merged with the details that conainted the summit discussion | 14:16 |
garyk | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:16 |
bauzas | dims__: the categorization rate is low, do you need help ? | 14:16 |
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dims__ | bauzas: yes | 14:17 |
johnthetubaguy | dims__: I think miridem was requesting help, if you could reach out to him, thats probably best | 14:17 |
bauzas | dims__: ack, will see what I can do | 14:17 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: need someone with keystone-y skills | 14:17 |
dims__ | thanks bauzas | 14:17 |
johnthetubaguy | dims__: gotcha | 14:17 |
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bauzas | dims__: any idea why the rate is so low ? (<50%) | 14:18 |
johnthetubaguy | we should have someone drop in their meeting I guess | 14:18 |
bauzas | mriedem seems to be not present today | 14:18 |
dims__ | bauzas: we've capped the boto version | 14:18 |
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dims__ | bauzas: till this gets fixed | 14:18 |
bauzas | dims__: but the logstash query is not categorized yet ? | 14:18 |
johnthetubaguy | right, fix the bleeding, sort the problem when we can | 14:18 |
johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 14:19 |
bauzas | dims__: I can understand that there is a boto problem related to keystone mw auth, but that shouldn't impact the rate, right ? | 14:19 |
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johnthetubaguy | #topic Mid Cycle meetup | 14:19 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:19 |
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johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-midcycle | 14:19 |
dims__ | bauzas: let;s switch to nova channel | 14:19 |
bauzas | dims__: agreed | 14:19 |
johnthetubaguy | so mostly, we will discuss priorties, and keep them moving forward | 14:19 |
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johnthetubaguy | bauzas: dims__: thank you for digging, appreciated | 14:20 |
johnthetubaguy | any one got questions on the mid cycle | 14:20 |
johnthetubaguy | mikal send an email via eventbright with directions, etc | 14:20 |
bauzas | eventbrite :) | 14:20 |
johnthetubaguy | lol, yeah, that | 14:20 |
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johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:20 |
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johnthetubaguy | so dims__ you mentioned ext4, thats still an issue I guess? | 14:21 |
johnthetubaguy | did we agree its not a feature? | 14:21 |
dims__ | treated as performance defect originally | 14:21 |
dims__ | there was an email to operators mailing list as was requested here last time | 14:21 |
dims__ | only feedback was, there should be a switch to not format the disk at all | 14:22 |
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johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 14:22 |
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dims__ | http://markmail.org/message/mmxa5kot7v6c27oy | 14:22 |
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johnthetubaguy | hmm, its sucks, but I think a spec would help get agreement on this | 14:23 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: last meeting i did create a blueprint as mentioned | 14:23 |
johnthetubaguy | but, honestly, this feels like something that should be user visible in the flavor | 14:23 |
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johnthetubaguy | dims__: ah, sorry, I missed that | 14:23 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: agreement was to log a blueprint and not do a full spec | 14:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | I am OK with that | 14:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | its just the spec would help pin down agreement I guess | 14:24 |
dims__ | thanks, i will rebase and get the 2 reviews ready for cores | 14:24 |
johnthetubaguy | you got a link to the blueprint for the log? | 14:24 |
bauzas | possible midcycle topic ? | 14:24 |
dims__ | one sec | 14:24 |
dims__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ext4-as-ephemeral-disk | 14:25 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, its worth adding I guess, to move it along | 14:25 |
johnthetubaguy | dims__: sweet, thanks for the link | 14:25 |
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bauzas | sounds like something manageable to discuss during midcycle and do feedback to operators afterwards | 14:25 |
johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141883/ | 14:25 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yup ? | 14:26 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah its a issue of changing the "ABI" in a way | 14:26 |
sean-k-mooney | hi i added this to the agenda to ask for some core review. | 14:26 |
johnthetubaguy | ah cools | 14:26 |
johnthetubaguy | it needs some review | 14:26 |
bauzas | sean-k-mooney: ah ok | 14:26 |
johnthetubaguy | which is a good segway... | 14:26 |
johnthetubaguy | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:26 |
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bauzas | eh | 14:26 |
bauzas | I got one | 14:27 |
bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146913/4 | 14:27 |
johnthetubaguy | OK, anyone got stuff they want to discuss, things with −2 or −1 thats an issue, etc? | 14:27 |
bauzas | that's technically a stuck change | 14:27 |
johnthetubaguy | looking | 14:27 |
johnthetubaguy | whats the dissagreement | 14:27 |
bauzas | long story short, we need to create a NovaObject for the image meta | 14:27 |
bauzas | properties field is the problem | 14:28 |
bauzas | I'm in favor of unversion it | 14:28 |
bauzas | because it's a mess atm | 14:28 |
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bauzas | but the disagreement comes from the fact I've been pointed out to use another patch which versions it | 14:28 |
bauzas | thoughts ? | 14:28 |
bauzas | fix the mess ans wait, or unversion and go forward ? | 14:29 |
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johnthetubaguy | can we add the extra change after your work? | 14:29 |
bauzas | tbp, I don't need an answer *now* | 14:29 |
johnthetubaguy | so yours puts the unversion, then add the version stuff on top? | 14:29 |
bauzas | I'm pointing the review to get feedback in the change itself | 14:29 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's just bumping a version | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | right | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | I need to read more to be clear I guess | 14:30 |
bauzas | we can move on, I shed the light on my pathc :) | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | good to raise it, yeah | 14:30 |
johnthetubaguy | any more stuck reviews? | 14:30 |
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johnthetubaguy | oh wait, we have some links from last week | 14:31 |
sean-k-mooney | its not technically stuch but if you have time to reveiw #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141883 | 14:31 |
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Nisha | johnthetubaguy, need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/133534 | 14:31 |
johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141010/ | 14:31 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, yes | 14:31 |
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johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think you have good comments on there | 14:32 |
Nisha | ^^^ above reviews are required fr ironic | 14:32 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, the patch you mentioned is very similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141883 | 14:32 |
dims__ | johnthetubaguy: Minesweeper has blessed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142118/ (CRITICAL bug) | 14:32 |
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bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I personnaly dislike any string hackling like we previously did | 14:32 |
bauzas | hacking* | 14:33 |
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Nisha | johnthetubaguy, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141010/ is required for ironic | 14:33 |
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bauzas | we need to be more robust | 14:33 |
johnthetubaguy | bauzas: got it, you don't want to add more mess using the old method | 14:33 |
Nisha | bauzas, its not hacking in nova | 14:33 |
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bauzas | Nisha: it's hacking a string, correct | 14:33 |
johnthetubaguy | Nisha: problem is we are rewriting that bit of code | 14:33 |
Nisha | bauzas, no | 14:33 |
johnthetubaguy | right now its not very well versioned, and we are making lots of things more explicit | 14:34 |
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Nisha | bauzas, https://review.openstack.org/133534 the related spec for same | 14:34 |
johnthetubaguy | passing objects not strings, etc | 14:34 |
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johnthetubaguy | right, we probably need to discuss the issues on the spec | 14:34 |
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johnthetubaguy | Nisha: did you request a spec freeze exception? | 14:34 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, yes...after discussion with Alexis Lee on the spec he was fine and | 14:35 |
bauzas | Nisha: see my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141883 | 14:35 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, yes i do sent a mail to mailing list | 14:35 |
bauzas | Nisha: we support a string as of now, we'll still support a string | 14:35 |
johnthetubaguy | Nisha: I couldn't remember if I saw it thats, cool, so we need to view the spec and agree what we can do | 14:35 |
bauzas | Nisha: but the difference is that the format of the string needs to be safier | 14:35 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 14:35 |
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johnthetubaguy | Nisha: honestly, given our kilo priorities, we might want to defer to L so we can get the code we need in place, but I need to give it more thought | 14:36 |
Nisha | bauzas, i think the misunderstanding from the spec /code is that nova filter will support list | 14:36 |
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johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats a point | 14:36 |
johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets look at that offline more | 14:36 |
bauzas | Nisha: let me provide further explanations in the spec | 14:36 |
Nisha | while the list (a string seperated with delimiters aprt from comma) is in ironic | 14:36 |
johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Disscussion | 14:36 |
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johnthetubaguy | so any more to discuss? | 14:37 |
flip214 | yeah. | 14:37 |
flip214 | does anyone know of a diagram about data flow within openstack? | 14:37 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, when can i catch you guys | 14:37 |
Nisha | what time means | 14:37 |
flip214 | which function gets called in which order, and what data gets passed from one to the other? | 14:37 |
johnthetubaguy | flip214: the docs have a nice diagram from ken pepple, did you see it? | 14:37 |
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johnthetubaguy | flip214: its not that explicit, you need to read the code for the functions | 14:37 |
bauzas | johnthetubaguy: is it still relevant ? | 14:38 |
flip214 | no, not yet. I just noticed that many docs are outdated. | 14:38 |
baoli | johnthetubaguy: where is the list of spec freeze exceptions? | 14:38 |
johnthetubaguy | updates welcome, which isn't a great answer, but the overall stuff is quite accurage | 14:38 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, need review on https://review.openstack.org/141012 | 14:38 |
bauzas | I saw some diagrams when googling but they're now pretty old and don't explain the conductor nor the objects | 14:38 |
johnthetubaguy | baoli: I am using my email inbox right now, there is an etherpad somewhere | 14:38 |
johnthetubaguy | #help update our docs to include more conductor and objects info | 14:39 |
bauzas | flip214: honestly, take a starting point, like the API endpoint for booting, and follow the golden path | 14:39 |
gilliard | you can raise bugs for docs, too | 14:39 |
flip214 | bauzas: that's not easy, because of the many indirections. | 14:39 |
johnthetubaguy | flip214: what bauzas said, just understand, API, DB, queue, compute, conductor, scheduler, and thats the key | 14:39 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, bauzas , needed review on https://review.openstack.org/141012 . The spec for same is merged and code is placed for review long back but no reviews yet.... | 14:39 |
johnthetubaguy | flip214: we should take this into the nova channel after the meeting | 14:39 |
baoli | johnthetubaguy: I see. I guess that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136077/ is there? | 14:40 |
bauzas | gilliard: fair point | 14:40 |
johnthetubaguy | Nisha: please update your blueprint to say it NeedsCodeReview, if you have all your code up for review | 14:40 |
johnthetubaguy | we should really look at that in the code push | 14:40 |
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Nisha | johnthetubaguy, ok. thanks | 14:41 |
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johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 14:42 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, done | 14:42 |
Nisha | johnthetubaguy, i will like to take up the flavor spec in the channel after this meeting... | 14:43 |
Nisha | if that helps to clear the things | 14:43 |
johnthetubaguy | OK, sounds good | 14:43 |
johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:43 |
johnthetubaguy | safe journey to the mid cylce if you are heading there | 14:43 |
johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 14:43:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
gilliard | thanks johnthetubaguy | 14:43 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-01-22-14.00.html | 14:43 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-01-22-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-01-22-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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anteaya | missed it, sorry | 14:44 |
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eglynn-office | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 15:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
_elena_ | o/ | 15:01 |
cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
_nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
eglynn-office | hi y'all | 15:03 |
eglynn-office | #topic kilo-2 | 15:03 |
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eglynn-office | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-2 | 15:03 |
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idegtiarov | o? | 15:03 |
idegtiarov | o/ | 15:03 |
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eglynn-office | does the status of all those BPs look accurate? | 15:04 |
eglynn-office | I bumped the instance-restart, as I don't Einav is working actively on it | 15:04 |
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eglynn-office | don't think | 15:05 |
gordc | i'll probably need to push elasticsearch support to k-3 (i haven't tried looking at how to test in gate yet) | 15:05 |
eglynn-office | gordc: cool enough | 15:05 |
eglynn-office | gordc: what does a local install of elasticsearch look like? | 15:06 |
eglynn-office | (in terms of complexity) | 15:06 |
gordc | eglynn-office: it isn't that bad. basically the code i posted back in november. | 15:06 |
eglynn-office | h-ha, k ... just wondering about potential push-back from infra about installing on CI nodes | 15:07 |
eglynn-office | *a-ha | 15:07 |
gordc | the queries we have in our api aren't that complex so building the queries weren't hard. | 15:07 |
sileht | o/ | 15:07 |
gordc | i think the complaint is that actually running elasticsearch eats RAM like crazy. | 15:07 |
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gordc | it was fine for just doing testing locally on my thinkpad though. | 15:07 |
eglynn-office | is it tunable I wonder, to dial down cache sizes etc. | 15:08 |
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gordc | eglynn-office: possibly... i believe there is a memory based backend which is typically used for testing | 15:08 |
ityaptin | o/ | 15:08 |
* gordc haven't really looked at it recently... just been glancing at it during downtime | 15:09 | |
eglynn-office | gordc: cool enough, all that'll prolly come out in wash anyway in the discussion with infra about installing for CI | 15:09 |
gordc | eglynn-office: yeah... i'll need to talk with clarkb later once i've dug into it. | 15:10 |
eglynn-office | coolness | 15:10 |
eglynn-office | any got anything else to flag for kilo-2? | 15:10 |
eglynn-office | feb 5 is the magic date ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:11 |
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sileht | eglynn-office, I have that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149063/ | 15:11 |
sileht | eglynn-office, it's fresh it's allow to write gnocchi alarm stuff on gnocchi side | 15:12 |
jd__ | o/ | 15:12 |
eglynn-office | sileht: a-ha cool, looks very reasonable on a first quick scan | 15:12 |
eglynn-office | sileht: ... I'll review in more detail after meeting, but looks like we can get it in quickly | 15:13 |
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sileht | eglynn-office, sure | 15:14 |
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eglynn-office | fabiog: quick dumb question about the RBAC stuff landed in kilo-1 | 15:16 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: ... in the absence of a matching rule in the policy.json, default is to allow amiright? | 15:16 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: no, still apply the rule of admin or not | 15:17 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: so if there is no rule and you are admin, you have total control, otherwise you are bound to the project | 15:17 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: for non-admin ... in the absence of match rule for API operation, then apply segregation rule as always, but allow the API operation to proceed? | 15:18 |
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eglynn-office | *matching rule | 15:18 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: yes | 15:19 |
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eglynn-office | coolness, just as I thought, needed a sanity check :) | 15:19 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: unless it has a @admin-required | 15:19 |
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eglynn-office | yeap | 15:19 |
eglynn-office | k, let's move on from kilo-2? | 15:20 |
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eglynn-office | #topic gnocchi | 15:20 |
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eglynn-office | just a heads-up that jd__ and I were discussing options around where to move the gnocchi code | 15:21 |
eglynn-office | (we touched on this in last week's meeting also) | 15:21 |
eglynn-office | jd__: so the idea is to propose gnocchi for big-tenting under the openstack/ namespace, right? | 15:23 |
jd__ | yup eglynn-office | 15:23 |
jd__ | if the rest of the Ceilometer folks are interested obviously | 15:24 |
jd__ | but since it sounds like we are going to leverage Gnocchi heavily in the future I guess it'd be a good idea to bring them closer | 15:24 |
cdent | I think more repos is better than less repos | 15:24 |
DinaBelova | jd__, well, we are :) | 15:24 |
sileht | I'm ;) | 15:24 |
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eglynn-office | the advantage of doing that as opposed moving directly into the ceilo repo would be to avoid continueing to add directly to the existing monolith | 15:25 |
idegtiarov | I'm too :) | 15:25 |
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ildikov | eglynn-office: sounds good to me :) | 15:25 |
eglynn-office | also advantageous in terms of supporting the "standalone gnocchi" usecase | 15:25 |
gordc | the same way we hand oslo.* libs? still under Ceilometer/telemetry umbrella? | 15:26 |
eglynn-office | i.e. as a general purpose metrics store | 15:26 |
jd__ | gordc: yes | 15:26 |
gordc | jd__: cool cool. works for me | 15:26 |
jd__ | a lot of projects have more than one repository FWIW already | 15:26 |
eglynn-office | gordc: ... still with a separate (but expanded) gnocchi-core group | 15:27 |
ityaptin | jd__, gordc: Agree, it looks cool for me too) | 15:27 |
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jd__ | eglynn-office: gordc: yeah matching Oslo practice | 15:28 |
eglynn-office | one further advantage would be gnocchi independently attracting contributors | 15:28 |
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eglynn-office | ... i.e. folks interested in metrics storage on its own merits | 15:28 |
eglynn-office | independent of the data collection pipeline | 15:29 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: so in the long term gnocchi will replace Ceilometer? I thought there would have been some sort of "merging" ... | 15:29 |
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DinaBelova | fabiog, not 'replace' | 15:29 |
DinaBelova | ceilometer will use gnocchi | 15:29 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: gnocchi will be used by ceilo, not replace | 15:29 |
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DinaBelova | that's basically kind of API to write/query datapoints | 15:30 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: but now you have part of the API in 1 service and part in a second one ... do you need to deploy two API servers? | 15:30 |
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eglynn-office | fabiog: or treat gnocchi as a "backend service" | 15:31 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: ok, that makes sense | 15:31 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: so Ceilometer API v3 would be the place where other Openstack services interact and Gnocchi is internal to Ceilometer, did I get it right? | 15:32 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: Gnocchi API I mean | 15:33 |
jd__ | if someone wants to build a Ceilometer API v3 on top of Gnocchi probably | 15:33 |
jd__ | I'm not sure it makes more sense right now | 15:33 |
jd__ | we have 3 different APIs for 3 different purposes that are not tied together (events/samples/alarms) | 15:33 |
fabiog | jd__: but if it is backend service you are not going to expose its API to generic clients ... | 15:33 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: the ceilometer v3 API could be partailly layered over the gnocchi API (specifically an equivalent of the statistics API implemented as a pass-thru' to gnocci) | 15:34 |
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jd__ | eglynn-office: yeah what's not clear is the value the Ceilo APIv3 would add over Gnocchi's API yet :) | 15:34 |
eglynn-office | jd__: yeap ... say if instead gnocchi API is called direct, the python-ceiloclient would need to be aware of two endpoints from the ks service catalog, amiright? | 15:35 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: maybe we should have a deeper discussion on how to integrate/leverage the two projects. It was one of the mid-cycle topics | 15:35 |
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eglynn-office | ... i.e. gnocchi would expose it's own publicURL endpoint in the service catalog | 15:36 |
jd__ | eglynn-office: yes, though likely that'd be gnocchi client I guess | 15:36 |
gordc | jd__: is there a place where we can see response gnocchi will return (to compare how different it is from current ceilometer api v2 responses?) | 15:36 |
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jd__ | eglynn-office: I wouldn't be offended by seeing 3 endpoints in the long term | 15:36 |
jd__ | gordc: the documentation is pretty good in this regard | 15:36 |
eglynn-office | gordc: http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/rest.html | 15:36 |
jd__ | gordc: tox -e docs and open it | 15:37 |
jd__ | eglynn-office: yeah that one is not up to date anymore since we started building dynamic doc :( | 15:37 |
gordc | cool cool. i was too lazy to look. :) | 15:37 |
sileht | gordc, http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/rest.html | 15:37 |
jd__ | I wish we could build the doc on OS CI but I don't think we can until we are off stackforge | 15:37 |
jd__ | gordc: so yeah better doc is tox -e docs | 15:37 |
DinaBelova | jd__, btw am I right that right now when we query gnocchi we grab list of datapoints basically, although some of Ceilo requests may return one concrete value? | 15:37 |
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sileht | jd__, does gnocchi.readthedocs.org is updated manually ? | 15:38 |
DinaBelova | like avg for all period of time VM is working? | 15:38 |
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jd__ | sileht: no it's automatic but you need a complete env (SQL) to build the doc now so RTFD fails | 15:38 |
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sileht | jd__, oh ok | 15:38 |
eglynn-office | DinaBelova: there is no direct analogue of that on-the-fly aggregation in gnocchi | 15:38 |
jd__ | DinaBelova: hum I think so yes, you'd have to do it yourself | 15:39 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn-office, jd__ - a-ha, ok, I'll take a look on it | 15:39 |
DinaBelova | will add to todos :D | 15:39 |
jd__ | DinaBelova: because I think it'd only work with some aggregation methods (like min/max/mean) but not all | 15:39 |
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jd__ | I think we have a much better understanding of statistics in Gnocchi :-> | 15:39 |
jd__ | thanks to eglynn-office | 15:39 |
eglynn-office | DinaBelova: so if the v3 API is based on gnocchi, then on-demand periodization is replaced by up-front declaration of the needed granularities via the archive policy | 15:40 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn-office, yeah, thanks | 15:40 |
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DinaBelova | also I hope to make this chain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148271/ working today | 15:41 |
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DinaBelova | will send changes on review :) | 15:41 |
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eglynn-office | so the other thing I wanted to mention about gnocchi is that we've a bunch of integration tasks that we need to ensure are covered | 15:42 |
eglynn-office | e.g. alarm evaluation (that sileht has starting working on :)) | 15:42 |
sileht | eglynn-office, I have a working PoC to help me to design the Alarm Rule description | 15:43 |
eglynn-office | figuring out the v3 API within the restrictions of the gnocchi pre-aggregation | 15:43 |
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jd__ | ✔︎ alarm evaluation | 15:44 |
jd__ | eglynn-office: not sure what that's mean but OK :D | 15:44 |
eglynn-office | sileht: yep, I saw https://review.openstack.org/149182 , nice! (... I left a quick suggestion on gerrit) | 15:44 |
eglynn-office | also figuring out the CLI side (i.e. extend python-ceiloclient or write a separate python-gnocchiclient) | 15:45 |
ityaptin | Also I want to tests gnocchi dispatcher via ceilometer test tools for different storages. if someone interesting, i create etherpad with test plan. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gnocchi_dispatcher_test_plan | 15:45 |
eglynn-office | also ensuring full resource type coverage | 15:45 |
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DinaBelova | idegtiarov, were you going to send volumes resources change on review today? | 15:46 |
DinaBelova | due to the moment eglynn-office mentioned? | 15:46 |
idegtiarov | DinaBelova: already done | 15:46 |
DinaBelova | idegtiarov, may you please cover all this task? | 15:47 |
DinaBelova | I mean adding all these resources/meters to gnocchi | 15:47 |
idegtiarov | DinaBelova: yep, will do | 15:47 |
eglynn-office | I'll put together a list of these integration tasks for next week, will be looking for volunteers to get them all squared away for kilo-3 | 15:47 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn-office, cool, really nice thing | 15:47 |
jd__ | I'm eager to see that | 15:48 |
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_nadya_ | we will add alarm evaluation to gnocchi? It seems to be ceilometer responsibility... Ok then, looks like conversation about Gnocchi may continue forever :) | 15:48 |
jd__ | _nadya_: read the backlog :) | 15:48 |
eglynn-office | _nadya_: silehthas proposed an alarm eval PoC to gnocchi, but this could optionally replace "classic" ceilo alarm eval | 15:49 |
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idegtiarov | DinaBelova: actually I would like to propose some refactoring according to resource adding in gnocchi, hope will propose WIP patch early next week | 15:49 |
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DinaBelova | idegtiarov, stevedore thing? | 15:49 |
idegtiarov | DinaBelova: yes it is :) | 15:50 |
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DinaBelova | cool-cool | 15:50 |
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sileht | eglynn-office, both can be used together ! | 15:50 |
_nadya_ | eglynn-office: yep, I see. Just thought that fabiog's question about replacing may appear again :) | 15:50 |
eglynn-office | sileht: not an mutually exclusive proposition? | 15:51 |
eglynn-office | sileht: ... I thought you'd choose to load the classic threhsold evaluator, or the gnocchi-based one, but never both in the same deployment? | 15:52 |
fabiog | eglynn-office and _nadya_ I would like to see a longer term picture of how these two components will co-exist in the future, does someone have such a picture? | 15:52 |
sileht | eglynn-office, I'm thinking about combining ceilometer and gnocchi alarm with the CombinationAlarmRule | 15:52 |
fabiog | and if that has not been defined yet, I think it would be a good think to work on | 15:52 |
fabiog | thing | 15:53 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: yes, it's a work-in-progress | 15:53 |
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sileht | eglynn-office, this allows to smoothly migrate to gnocchi | 15:53 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: is there a wiki or some docs about it? | 15:53 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: please :-) | 15:53 |
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_nadya_ | fabiog: I'm absolutely agree with you. I think that we need more time for it ... | 15:54 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: jd__ had a wiki but it's not up-to-date ... let's add that as a task | 15:54 |
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fabiog | eglynn-office: I have a doodle for the Batching suggestion | 15:55 |
fabiog | eglynn-office: I added to the agenda topic | 15:55 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: yep, let's move on that in open discussion | 15:55 |
eglynn-office | #topic open discussion | 15:55 |
jd__ | eglynn-office: if we write something it'd be cool to have that in one of the ceilo or gnocchi doc, not a wiki, so it's actually "useful" | 15:55 |
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eglynn-office | jd__: fair point | 15:56 |
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eglynn-office | jd__: ... a spec perhaps? | 15:56 |
eglynn-office | jd__: (... so as to make it a discussion) | 15:56 |
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eglynn-office | fabiog: do you want to mention your doodle now? | 15:56 |
jd__ | eglynn-office: at least | 15:56 |
fabiog | eglynn-office:yes http://doodle.com/cwv5nmv3hxadvreu | 15:57 |
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eglynn-office | folks pls vote on that ^^^ | 15:57 |
eglynn-office | fabiog: what's the native TZ for the poll? | 15:57 |
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fabiog | so please people subscribe for the slot, I will then set-up a Google Hangout and I will present the idea, if that has traction I will prepare a BP | 15:57 |
eglynn-office | PST? | 15:57 |
fabiog | it is PDT | 15:58 |
fabiog | PST | 15:58 |
fabiog | Pacific Standard Time | 15:58 |
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fabiog | so the first slot is the same time as the Ceilo meeting | 15:58 |
eglynn-office | UTC-8:00 | 15:58 |
fabiog | yes | 15:58 |
eglynn-office | cool\ | 15:58 |
fabiog | I will check the votes EOD friday | 15:58 |
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eglynn-office | cool thanks fabiog | 15:59 |
_nadya_ | fabiog: thanks a lot! It would be great to attend | 15:59 |
eglynn-office | anything else folks wanted to raise? | 15:59 |
eglynn-office | the shot-clock has beaten us again | 16:00 |
eglynn-office | ... thanks for your time folks | 16:00 |
eglynn-office | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 16:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-01-22-15.01.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-01-22-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-01-22-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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gmann | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 22 22:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
gmann | Hi, who all here today? | 22:00 |
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riwinters | hello | 22:00 |
gmann | riwinters: hello | 22:00 |
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gmann | may be ppl ll join later . Let’s start meeting | 22:01 |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_January_22nd_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
gmann | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
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gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 22:02 |
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gmann | Does anyone have any open spec review to discuss? | 22:02 |
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gmann | Ok, if nothing then, let's move onto the next topic | 22:03 |
riwinters | no :) | 22:03 |
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gmann | #topic Blueprints | 22:03 |
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gmann | Any open blueprints that we need to discuss or any status updates? | 22:03 |
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gmann | I want to bring some updates on rest_client movement to tempest-lib on which oomichi is working | 22:04 |
gmann | rest_client has been moved to tempest-lib (version 0.1.0). | 22:05 |
gmann | global requirement updates is required because of tempest-lib version up | 22:05 |
gmann | patch is up for that | 22:05 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148789/ | 22:05 |
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gmann | you may get import error with tempest-lib version up | 22:06 |
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gmann | so once global requirement is updated, its all good | 22:07 |
gmann | oomichi is working on service clients movement. | 22:07 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:service-client,n,z | 22:07 |
gmann | Anything else on BP updates | 22:08 |
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gmann | riwinters: looks like we 2 of us here :) | 22:08 |
riwinters | yes - :) | 22:08 |
gmann | ok, let’s move onto next topic. | 22:09 |
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afazekas | o/ | 22:09 |
gmann | #topic Devstack | 22:09 |
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gmann | afazekas: hi | 22:09 |
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gmann | sdague, dtroyer: u guys around | 22:09 |
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dkranz | o/ | 22:10 |
dpaterson | o/ | 22:11 |
gmann | anything on devstack from anyone | 22:11 |
curtis_penner | o/ | 22:11 |
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gmann | let's move onto the next topic then | 22:12 |
gmann | #topic Grenade | 22:12 |
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gmann | Anyone has anything to discuss on Grenade | 22:12 |
gmann | #topic Bugs | 22:13 |
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gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:13 |
gmann | ^^This week bug report | 22:14 |
gmann | I had the triage rotation this week. maurosr will have for next week. | 22:14 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 22:14 |
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gmann | Need more volunteer for triage rotation. | 22:15 |
dkranz | gmann: I put myself in for three weeks from now | 22:15 |
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gmann | dkranz: great. Thanks.. | 22:15 |
dkranz | gmann: maybe send an email to ask for volunteers | 22:15 |
dkranz | NOt such a big job now that we have caught up | 22:15 |
gmann | dkranz: yes, that will be good i will do that. | 22:16 |
gmann | #action: gmann to send mail for bug triage volunteers | 22:16 |
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gmann | i have put myself for feb-2 week | 22:17 |
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gmann | anything else on this topic. | 22:17 |
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gmann | ok, so move to next topic | 22:18 |
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gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:18 |
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gmann | Does anyone have any critical reviews they'd like to bring up? | 22:18 |
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gmann | dkranz: regarding service client (neutron one) movement to lib | 22:19 |
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gmann | oomichi has started the work | 22:20 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:service-client,n,z | 22:20 |
dkranz | gmann: I discusssed this with marun | 22:20 |
gmann | dkranz: ok | 22:20 |
dkranz | gmann: The important thing is to have a version of the client in tempest that can be used outside. After https://review.openstack.org/148773 merges we will have that | 22:21 |
dkranz | gmann: the neutron team can experiment a little with a copy | 22:21 |
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dkranz | gmann: of course we need to fix the auth/credentials thing but it is not strictly necessary for them to proceed | 22:22 |
dkranz | gmann: They are going to be using the client in a no-auth way in any event | 22:22 |
gmann | dkranz: ok, then its fine. | 22:22 |
gmann | i will do review for client movement | 22:23 |
gmann | and auth work can be done in parallel | 22:23 |
dkranz | gmann: Since it will be much harder to make changes to clients after they move, it would be good to have a little settling time before actually moving | 22:23 |
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dkranz | gmann: But we should not allow any changes to the neutron client unless approved by the neutron team | 22:23 |
dkranz | gmann: they do have a goal of moving the neutron api tests into the neutron tree | 22:24 |
dkranz | gmann: but there are still some issues to work out | 22:24 |
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dkranz | gmann: like how we will continue to have a coherent test suite after that happens | 22:24 |
gmann | dkranz: yes, that true. I discussed about neutron advance service tests in tempest with Matt | 22:24 |
gmann | dkranz: he has also same thought. | 22:25 |
dkranz | gmann: and of course we will still need integration tests in tempest that exercise the neutron apis as called from other services | 22:25 |
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dkranz | gmann: so I think marun will propose something | 22:25 |
gmann | dkranz: thats make sense. | 22:26 |
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dkranz | ok, that's about all I have on that subject | 22:26 |
dkranz | I will be on vacation next but will get back to more client-returns-one-value changes after that. | 22:26 |
gmann | dkranz: more nd more scenario tests should be welcome | 22:26 |
gmann | dkranz: Thanks a lot. | 22:26 |
dkranz | gmann: yes, but we should make sure they are really integration tests | 22:27 |
gmann | dkranz: yes. | 22:27 |
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gmann | anything else on review side | 22:28 |
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gmann | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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gmann | as we have much time, anything anyone want to discuss | 22:30 |
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gmann | ok, if there is nothing else, we'll end here | 22:31 |
gmann | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 22:32 |
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gmann | Have a great day/night | 22:32 |
gmann | #endmeeting | 22:32 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:32 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 22 22:32:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:32 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-01-22-22.00.html | 22:32 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-01-22-22.00.txt | 22:32 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-01-22-22.00.log.html | 22:32 |
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