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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 29 18:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | anyone here for third-party-ci meeting? | 18:01 |
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| ja_ | i yam | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hi ja_ | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | this ought to be interesting :) | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | might be really short | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | anyone else here? | 18:02 |
| ja_ | usually people are ok with very short mtgs | 18:02 |
| * krtaylor wouldn't mind a short meeting | 18:02 | |
| ja_ | I think the real key is to have everyone leave thinking that it was no longer than necessary, and useful while it lasted | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | well, lets go through the motions, there may be lurkers that will jump in, I'll skip sections with nothing on the agenda | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | and the agenda: | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F29.2F14 | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | not much there | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | ok, we'll skip to program items | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | quick mention for the third-party CI documentation WG forming, that will get going next week | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | and also the monitoring dashboard spec: | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170 | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | and finally meeting times - I'll close out the vote today and email the results | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | mentoring times will not change | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | work group time will move to Wednesday starting next week | 18:08 |
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| ja_ | which list are you emailing to? iirc last time there was a hanging question wrt -dev vs not | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | looks like 1500 UTC and 0400 UTC is going to win | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | I'll prob hit both, and be sorry for the spam | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | all need to know, and some that may not monitor infra alone | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so we can move on if no comments | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | skip to open discussion | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, any thing you want to discuss> | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | ? | 18:11 |
| ja_ | question - fup/clarification on dougwig's answer last time | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | or anyone else? | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | ja_, on sizing resources? | 18:12 |
| dougwig | ja_: shoot | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | hi dougwig | 18:12 |
| dougwig | krtaylor: hiya. :) | 18:12 |
| ja_ | he gave some per-slave stats... having seen "a recently constructed overview diagram", I wasn't sure exactly what slave maps to... compute node? | 18:12 |
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| dougwig | in the devstack-gate world, the slave runs devstack, so it's all nodes. and usually your hardware runs in parallel to the slave, or if it's a soft appliance, in parallel, or within the same nova. | 18:13 |
| ja_ | b/c there's a whole pile of table-stakes machines for jenkins et al that I have to size as well. | 18:13 |
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| ja_ | ok I hadn't realized you were talking about devstack | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | although the term get overused | 18:14 |
| ja_ | yeah ... like "resource" in REST land | 18:14 |
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| dougwig | i have a minimum of three boxes: jenkins (t1.micro at AWS), slave (m3.medium) and our appliance (m1.medium). and the latter two get added as sets as we need more throughput. | 18:15 |
| ja_ | does anyone here then have a feel for the size and shape of all the "infra" pieces necessary to drive the compute nodes? | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | ja_, in your case, you are looking to figure out how many guests you'll need to run? | 18:15 |
| dougwig | i run them all on the jenkins server, which can be quite small. | 18:15 |
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| dougwig | if youre referring to zuul, gearman, etc. | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | yes, the infra services don't require a lot of horsepower | 18:16 |
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| ja_ | well, if I have to do a capital request, I probably get to do about one per year (two maybe in 15 since I'm new at it), so I want to be sure what the fixed-cost piece is too | 18:17 |
| ja_ | "very small" is a nice answer | 18:17 |
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| ja_ | I had been assuming they'd all be I/O bound hence smallish, but this confirmation helps. | 18:17 |
| dougwig | if you want to do a single server, i'd get 4 or 8 cores, 32gb of ram, run jenkins et all natively, and then use vagrant to spawn devstack-gate slaves inside the same box. | 18:18 |
| dougwig | et al. i can't believe auto-correct thought 'et all' was more correct. | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, we are driving our system with infra services on guests, but you could probably get by with a nicely equipped PC | 18:18 |
| ja_ | auto-corr apparently doesn't know latin | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | as dougwig said | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | we have intel nodes for that (and other uses) next to our PowerKVM nodes | 18:19 |
| ja_ | I don't expect we'd be running zuul and friends on the same box as the devstack stuff, for the same reason I think powerkvm would separate them... | 18:20 |
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| dougwig | devstack goes on the slave, which is sacrificial given the security concerns of running mystery code. | 18:20 |
| ja_ | ...i.e. all the existing doc and setup and experience for the infra bits is x86-oriented, so re-use that community knowledge. | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | ja_, not because we couldn't, but it is just easier to be more like upstream services | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | exactly | 18:21 |
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| ja_ | true I guess you could run ubuntu now ... I don't think that will be a (supported) option for us | 18:21 |
| dougwig | you also want this thing in your DMZ, not inside your cozy little secure network. and plan on a decent amount (few hundred GB) of slow storage for the logs/web server. | 18:21 |
| ja_ | right, we have entire first-dot separate network for things that need to be at all accessible from "outside" | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | ja_, you can use softlayer swift service for logs too | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | we planned a TB for log storage | 18:23 |
| ja_ | I have been assuming we might - basically on that we should be able to go low-cost. | 18:23 |
| dougwig | i think i have a 50GB volume, retain 60 days, currently using 16GB. | 18:24 |
| dougwig | for logs | 18:24 |
| ja_ | iirc the ci page said 6 mo retention | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | it used to be 6 months | 18:24 |
| dougwig | i thought it was 30 days? looking... | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | they dropped it to a month | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | it was taking up way too much space | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | that happened in Atlanta | 18:25 |
| qwebirc17367 | what else happened? | 18:25 |
| ja_ | hmm, quite sure I read it live on wiki as 6 mo within last 4 wks | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, then that needs to be changed, good patch opportunity | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | I'll check it when I get elbow deep in docs next week | 18:26 |
| ja_ | I know I saved the url for the list. well first I have to jump the ibm hurdles and get blessed. | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | ja_, no easy task | 18:26 |
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| ja_ | is there any historical data on the volume of patches? I think last time doubwig said it was 30-40ish for nova-only per day, which is quite a bit less than what I'd heard before. | 18:27 |
| dougwig | neutron-only | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | I pulled together data on that last month for the "core" projects | 18:28 |
| ja_ | krtaylor, I'm familiar with stds work, have done oss before, so meh just bits on paper | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | don't have it at my fingertips atm | 18:28 |
| dougwig | and it's about 100-200/day during the busy times, since I need 3 sets of slaves, currently at 18 minute build times. | 18:29 |
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| ja_ | np we you find it, I'll use it. I'm still flogging pure devstack on my new (VM) sandbox | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | ok, anything else? | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | if not we'll call it early | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | thanks for the assistance dougwig, hope we didn't pull you out of vacation :) | 18:30 |
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| dougwig | np, i heard my phone buzz, popped over. :) | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | ok, if nothing else then | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, until next week | 18:31 |
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| ja_ | ...that being Wed | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 29 18:32:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-29-18.01.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-29-18.01.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-29-18.01.log.html | 18:32 |
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