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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: is matel going to be around today? | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Hope so. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Just asked. | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 15:02:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, wondering how things are going in the world of CI | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | might wait a little bit for matel to join | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | So generally things are OK | 15:03 |
| BobBall | although we're a bit worried | 15:03 |
| BobBall | images aren't rebuilding at the moment | 15:03 |
| BobBall | and we don't understand why | 15:03 |
| BobBall | there is some weird puppet interaction with iptables | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh dear, thats annoying | 15:03 |
| BobBall | but figuring out the root cause for that is hard | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | Very short term it's not a problem | 15:04 |
| BobBall | because we have active images in each region | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats stuff is a nightmare to debug | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but they can quickly get stale | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | I think that's all I can say for that though | 15:04 |
| BobBall | did we mention last week that we've rebuilt the CI? | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | mahusive rebuild to pick up the latest nodepool etc | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, or at least, its now easily automated | 15:05 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool, not sure you said that was complete | 15:05 |
| BobBall | But the rebasing on nodepool should have given us some more stability in the image generation | 15:05 |
| BobBall | and reduce the bill for RAX ;) | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | {'': 33, 'Failed': 29, 'Passed': 224, None: 2} | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Failure rate of 10% is not ideal though | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Too high for my liking | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah 10% seems high | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | unless people are uploading lots of very broken patches… which is possible I guess | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did you add in those extra tests? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | just wondering if there is a common cause for the failure | 15:07 |
| BobBall | rebuild + resize server are failing ish | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Failures | 15:07 |
| BobBall | ------------------- | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 19 No tempest failures detected | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 3 Fewer than 2 duplicates | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 3 tempest.scenario.test_shelve_instance.TestShelveInstance.test_shelve_instance | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 2 tempest.api.compute.servers.test_disk_config.ServerDiskConfigTest.test_resize_server_from_manual_to_auto | 15:07 |
| BobBall | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_servers.ServersAdminTest.test_rebuild_server_in_error_state | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats a worry | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | 2 tempest.api.compute.servers.test_disk_config.ServerDiskConfigTest.test_update_server_from_auto_to_manual | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | but the 19 no-tempest-failures are also frustraing. | 15:07 |
| BobBall | implies that devstack failed | 15:08 |
| matel | sorry for being late. | 15:08 |
| BobBall | or we couldn't collect logs (often seems to be a RAX network failure) | 15:08 |
| BobBall | but perhaps adding a retry to collect logs would fix the network failures | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, was just about to say a retry, swift can be a bit "fussy" now and then | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | I thought the issue was with downloading from the guest to the CI machine | 15:09 |
| BobBall | but I'm not certain | 15:09 |
| BobBall | I might have a look at adding a retry at some point | 15:10 |
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| matel | ok | 15:12 |
| matel | I guess that's the CI. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: just CI updates | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, all done I guess | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | Indeed - I don't have anything else to say on OSCI | 15:12 |
| BobBall | our internal CI is very poorly | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so any more we need to cover? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | We redeployed it but it's not come up so we're having to put a lot of effort into trying to fix various things | 15:13 |
| matel | yeah. | 15:14 |
| BobBall | and Mate has done a stunning job on docs | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | awesome stuff, there is certainly "room for growth" in that area... | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | appreciate that getting some attention | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | it is sure to be hurting adoption | 15:16 |
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| matel | yeah, we no longer have the warning in xenserver docs | 15:18 |
| matel | Which is good. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | no, not this year. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, one bit more... | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Watch this space for fun things happening next yar | 15:19 |
| BobBall | year* | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | next week, no meeting I guess? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | I'm on vacation | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably same the week after? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Indeed. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info next meeting on 7th Jan | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK thanks all | 15:20 |
| BobBall | matel: :) build-xenserver-core-master-centos worked. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: thats for all your hard work on this, really is appreciated :) | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Happy christmas and happy new year folks | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 15:20:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-17-15.02.html | 15:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-17-15.02.txt | 15:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-17-15.02.log.html | 15:20 |
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| omrim_ | Hi, I notice that in the last 48 hours there are some commits in neutron that failed due to neutron time out, Does any one have any idea? | 15:32 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 16:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | 0/ | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 16:01 |
| lpabon | hi | 16:01 |
| jordanP | hi | 16:01 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | hi all | 16:01 |
| erlon | o/ | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:01 |
| rushil | hi | 16:01 |
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| mtanino | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting ;) | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | first of all thanks to everyone who has been helping with last minute k-1 merges | 16:01 |
| thingee | here's the current priority list https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:01 |
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| thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-priorities | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
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| ameade_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | We need the reviews in "ready" merged today. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: aye aye captain! | 16:02 |
| thingee | jaypipes: here? | 16:02 |
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| thingee | or jgriffith | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm here | 16:03 |
| flip214 | thingee: the DRBD driver is ready per today. | 16:03 |
| jaypipes | thingee: yup | 16:03 |
| flip214 | is that too late? | 16:03 |
| thingee | jgriffith: lets quickly talk about removing that CI wiki page or updating it | 16:03 |
| thingee | flip214: thanks, will take a look and retarget | 16:03 |
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| eikke | hello all | 16:03 |
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| flip214 | I ask because it was in "abandoned"; I moved it up. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sure | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so there are multiple wiki pages for CI right now :( | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | thingee: neither is fully up to date | 16:04 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| * smcginnis Highlander: There can be only one! | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: IMO we should pick one (or neither) and have one point of truth that's actually maintained | 16:04 |
| thingee | there's information here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: whether that's market-place or other I don't care | 16:05 |
| thingee | and here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | but we shouldn't have multiple copies | 16:05 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I agree | 16:05 |
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| dulek | thingee: Quick question - had you reviewed HA etherpad as last weeks AR? I couldn't find anything on ML about this. | 16:05 |
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| thingee | I spent the time to move a lot of stuff out how to contribute driver to external wiki pages since it was getting out of date itself | 16:05 |
| thingee | dulek: no | 16:05 |
| thingee | end of milestone problem atm ;) | 16:06 |
| dulek | Okay, thanks! | 16:06 |
| thingee | everyone wants me | 16:06 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: ok, I can do the same for this page and move stuff to point to the real third party wiki | 16:06 |
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| thingee | and give some suggested forks of jaypipes's work that may or may not work | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so are you stating which is the "real" page ? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:06 |
| thingee | do you mind people referring to your basic ci repo? | 16:07 |
| thingee | well I don't think ours is the real one honestly. I don't think we should maintain one either. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thingee: agreed | 16:07 |
| thingee | it's bound to get out of date again | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I think that was mostly setup for our own internal tracking early on | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Are we talking about the 3rd party CI page? | 16:07 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | I think infra's should be the one: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:08 |
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| thingee | ok, seems like no one is opposed. I'll start moving that out | 16:08 |
| thingee | ok lets start today's agenda | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, because there was also the question about the accuracy of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:08 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: that's what started this | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Should I make a call for people to get that updated with current status? | 16:08 |
| asselin_ | one more quick comment on 3rd party ci | 16:09 |
| asselin_ | #link Third-party self service account creation - http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#creating-a-service-account | 16:09 |
| asselin_ | for anyone one doesn't have an account yet ^^^ | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | there is another one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: yeah, that was my point earlier about their being two :) | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: Yeah, that was the one I was asking about. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: there's another on under the infra wiki's as well | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Do we need anything more than the contact info on infra? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: which I can't seem to find again at the moment :( | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: ^^ linked via infra | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: thank you kind sir | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | np | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | so my point earlier was the the Cinder free-form wiki should probably go away | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and this infra page should be the "source of truth" | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | albeit I'd love to add a change to seperate based on project | 16:14 |
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| erlon | jgriffith: how about all the other information that where in the first wiki? | 16:15 |
| thingee | #topic Volume deletion while snapshots exist | 16:15 |
| thingee | smatzek: here? | 16:15 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I'll update the wiki and respond to the ML post | 16:15 |
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| thingee | #topic Volume deletion while snapshots exist | 16:15 |
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| smatzek | thingee: here. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, won't insert myself there then. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | no offense but why are we talking about this again? | 16:16 |
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| bswartz | we lost thingee | 16:16 |
| smatzek | The blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133822/ has -1s from some Cinder cores and a +1 from another. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | smatzek: this topic comes up every few months, and every few months we end up saying no | 16:16 |
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| thingee | I'm back | 16:17 |
| thingee | sorry folks...irc issues | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | smatzek: maybe this time will be different... | 16:17 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: are we done with this topic? :P | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Why is it a Bad Thing? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) yes | 16:17 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:17 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:17 |
| smatzek | Some volume drivers have implemented snapshots in their backend by calling common methods to do volume clones. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: because there are a number of drivers that the snapshots are linked and they can't do this | 16:17 |
| eharney | deleting a volume and leaving hanging snapshots doesn't really make sense in our model of how things work. | 16:18 |
| thingee | smatzek: sorry I'll have to review the logs after...just had irc issues | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | IIRC Ceph is one, LVM is another | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I don't understand the resistance to this. | 16:18 |
| eharney | if this were about deleting a volume and removing the snapshots associated with it, it would make sense | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | We've intentionally designed a use model that avoids this | 16:18 |
| hemna | and other backends can't delete volumes that have snapshots. | 16:18 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's what I just said :) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | thangp: We aren't actually done. YOu didn't much. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: linked :) | 16:18 |
| e0ne | imo, it should be only for admin | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: We aren't actually done. YOu didn't much. | 16:18 |
| bswartz | I don't have a problem with allowing deletion of volumes with existing snapshots, but the restriction that you can't do that is buried deep in cinder's DNA, so changing that will requires a really strong use case | 16:18 |
| hemna | ours for one cannot delete the volume and leave the snapshot. | 16:18 |
| smatzek | EMC VMAX and SVC are two examples. In these Cinder voluem drivers it would allow space savings to allow the volume to be deleted with Nova instances in this flow: SNapshot Nova Instance, delete nova instance, but the user wants to keep the image of the instance. | 16:18 |
| hemna | we would break | 16:19 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: a proposal involving some kind of "promote this snapshot to a volume" might make sense, so you didn't have hanging leaves | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: smatzek so the problem is you end up with goofy mixed behaviors based on driver | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | which is what we strive to NOT have | 16:19 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | eharney: jungleboyj there already is! | 16:19 |
| eharney | imo different driver behaviors is not the problem | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | eharney: jungleboyj create volume from snapshot | 16:19 |
| thingee | we're not going back to a matrix | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | eharney: jungleboyj if you implement that as a fancy promote, that's great | 16:19 |
| thingee | was the use case already mentioned for this? | 16:20 |
| thingee | heh sorry | 16:20 |
| winston-d | Instance snapshot is totaly different from volume snapshot | 16:20 |
| hemna | yup | 16:20 |
| rushiagr | yeah. I remember we defined what a 'snapshot' means in Cinder terms, and it's totally valid | 16:20 |
| thingee | use case? | 16:20 |
| smatzek | The use case is Nova boot from volume. Nova snapshot instance, which produces a Glance image which references Cinder snapshots. Nova delete instance. The Cinder volumes backign the instance are not deleted as they have related snapshots. | 16:21 |
| hemna | smatzek, you are comparing apples and oranges | 16:21 |
| tbarron | smatzek: does promote snapshot to volume followed by delete of the original volume address your use case? | 16:21 |
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| hemna | images are not snapshots, they are self contained separate entities. volume snapshots are not, for some backends. | 16:21 |
| smatzek | tbarron: it does not since the GLance image metadata contains block device mappings which point to the snapshot using a snapshot_id field. | 16:21 |
| winston-d | smatzek: instance snapshot is a glance image, it can be completely unrelated to cinder. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yeah, but Bootable Volumes or attached Volumes create a Cinder Volume snap under the covers | 16:22 |
| eharney | the BDMs contain references to cinder snapshots? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: honestly it's kind of a lame implementation IMO | 16:22 |
| smatzek | winston-d: they are related. 1. Nova boot from volume. 2. Nova snapshot instance. In this case Nova API will call Cinder snapshot on the volumes behind the VM, producing Cinder snapshots, which are then pointed to by Glance metadata | 16:22 |
| thingee | does it make sense for a flag in delete volume to also delete snapshots? I think that's all smatzek wants here | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that does, but I don't think that's what he wants | 16:23 |
| eharney | thingee: so that was how i originally read this, and i like that idea, but that wasn't what he wanted | 16:23 |
| hemna | thingee, I thought he wanted to keep the snapshot around and delete the volume. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so currently when you boot you can say "delete on term" | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | but that pukes if you make a snapshot | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | which is "ok" IMO | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | all the tools are there; the volume, the snap etc | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I think that is what he wants. | 16:24 |
| thingee | if that's not what smatzek wants, the use case should be rephrased :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | just create volume from snapshot | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:24 |
| bswartz | cinder volume delete -f ? | 16:24 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, yah and that's bad IMO | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | moving on :) | 16:24 |
| thingee | "The use case is Nova boot from volume. Nova snapshot instance, which produces a Glance image which references Cinder snapshots. Nova delete instance. The Cinder volumes backign the instance are not deleted as they have related snapshots." | 16:24 |
| smatzek | what I want is to allow an extra capability that can be set on a per-volume driver basis which will allow volume drivers to delete Cinder volumes in Cinder and in the backend while leaving the Cinder snapshot. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: nope | 16:24 |
| flip214 | thingee: you'd need such a flag on "delete consistency group" then too... | 16:24 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, if all he wants is a cascade delete, then that's ok. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you CANT delete volumes with snapshots | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: period, full stop | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:24 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:24 |
| bswartz | cinder volume delete -rf ? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: LOL | 16:24 |
| eharney | there's still an alternate proposal to delete volumes and snapshots | 16:25 |
| bswartz | the implication would be delete the snaps first and the volume last | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: seems that's what might be proposed | 16:25 |
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| thingee | smatzek: for your first use, sure. I'm not sure we want your second use case. | 16:25 |
| hemna | smatzek, yah that's what I was afraid you were proposing. That fundamentally won't work on many of Cinder's arrays. | 16:25 |
| thingee | reasons already expressed by others. | 16:25 |
| smatzek | jgriffith: That's not what's proposed. | 16:25 |
| winston-d | bswartz: you need root privilge to do that | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | smatzek: it's not in your proposal, but it was just suggested in the rolling delete option | 16:25 |
| smatzek | What's being proposed won't work for many Cinder volume drivers. But it would work for some. | 16:25 |
| hemna | eharney, that would be ok. I think of it as a cascade delete. :) delete the volume and delete all it's snapshots as well. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smatzek: which makes it unacceptable | 16:26 |
| eharney | hemna: right | 16:26 |
| hemna | smatzek, and that's exactly what we are trying to avoid in Cinder. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smatzek: ^^ see suggestion of cascading delete | 16:26 |
| eharney | forget the driver differences. The concept of "a snapshot that refers to no volume" doesn't make sense. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 | 16:26 |
| rushiagr | eharney: +1 | 16:26 |
| thingee | ok folks I'm moving on. There has been an expressed concern with this feature due to it having different behavior from drivers, which we don't want | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smatzek: eharney that's why we introduced clone :) | 16:26 |
| eharney | maybe Glance should be using clones instead of snaps for this.. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: yeah... but on a side; that's not so hot when using LVM | 16:27 |
| hemna | next song. | 16:27 |
| hemna | next | 16:27 |
| flip214 | eharney: +1 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:27 |
| winston-d | eharney: you mean Nova when createing instance snapshot for BFV? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | So just to be clear.... | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | snapshots of instances running BFV is kinda ridiculous anyway | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | you're using a persitent store | 16:28 |
| eharney | winston-d: dunno, but it feels like it's doing something with a snapshot id that is questionable. I don't really know, so, we should probably sort out that design elsewhere... | 16:28 |
| smatzek | eharney: I would like that Nova implementation better as well, but Nova's BDM specification doesn't currently allow it. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | you already have an image | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | per say | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | if you want to upload it to glance as a regular image... good enough | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | convert to image | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | moving on | 16:28 |
| thingee | #topic Return request ID to caller | 16:28 |
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| thingee | abhijeetm: here? | 16:28 |
| abhijeetm | yes | 16:29 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052822.html | 16:29 |
| abhijeetm | which is good solution to return req id back to caller? | 16:29 |
| flip214 | abhijeetm: +1 to solution 1 .... | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | abhijeetm: to be clear... by caller you mean "internal code" | 16:30 |
| flip214 | if there's no split made now, it might be necessary in the future. better do it now while there are less users. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | abhijeetm: not like a response to "nova volume-attach xxxx" on the cmd line | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | client | 16:30 |
| eharney | caller of a method in the client lib | 16:30 |
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| eharney | i think? | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: me too, but that's why I'm asking | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | eharney: because depending on the answer my opinion changes :) | 16:31 |
| abhijeetm | But solution # 1 is not be compatible with services which are using old cinder client | 16:31 |
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| thingee | abhijeetm: but it doesn't break them | 16:32 |
| abhijeetm | and solution # 2 is already merged in glance : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68524/7 | 16:32 |
| thingee | I think I already decided this in some patch ago and it was solution #1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | not sure why this is being brought up again | 16:32 |
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| thingee | abhijeetm: is there anything else? | 16:33 |
| thingee | #topic Reopen discussion of "RemoteFS configuration improvements" | 16:33 |
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| abhijeetm | no, I will submit spec for sol # 1 | 16:33 |
| thingee | erlon: here? | 16:33 |
| erlon | hi | 16:33 |
| abhijeetm | thanks | 16:33 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133173/ | 16:33 |
| thingee | spec^ | 16:34 |
| thingee | summary of problem: | 16:34 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remotefs-improvments | 16:34 |
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| erlon | so, basically the discussion about this is | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | erlon: how about just move all of these to Manilla :) | 16:34 |
| bswartz | gah! | 16:34 |
| eharney | the main question this arrived at, i think, is whether NFS/GlusterFS/RemoteFS drivers should support pools | 16:34 |
| eharney | please don't do the manila thing | 16:35 |
| hemna | lol | 16:35 |
| erlon | spec is that we could use pool aware scheduling and have the same benefits proposed | 16:35 |
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| hemna | why not move this to Manilla ? | 16:35 |
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| eharney | i was planning to eliminate the pseudo-scheduler code in the drivers in favor of pushing toward multi-backend in Kilo | 16:35 |
| bswartz | hemna: it's not relevant | 16:35 |
| eharney | because Manila is not for serving volumes to instances. | 16:35 |
| bswartz | blocks over NFS belongs in cinder | 16:35 |
| winston-d | what? isn't the pool support strongly requested by NetApp's NFS driver? | 16:35 |
| bswartz | blocks over any filesystem is a cinder thing | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: they're right... just the architecture is broken | 16:36 |
| erlon | using the pool aware scheduler we eliminate the pseudo scheduler | 16:36 |
| akerr | we support pools on our NFS driver already | 16:36 |
| eharney | This proposal pushes more toward pool support instead | 16:36 |
| winston-d | s/requested/demanded/ | 16:36 |
| eharney | this is not relevant for hardware NFS platforms/drivers for the most part | 16:36 |
| eharney | afaict | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: +1 Certainly was "DEMANDED" | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | and I'm puzzled after being called "unfair" to Netapp for initially not liking it | 16:37 |
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| hemna | ok so what's the problem with enabling the NFS drivers w/ pools ? | 16:37 |
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| bswartz | I'm not sure what the problem is either | 16:37 |
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| bswartz | the spec looked good to me | 16:37 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:37 |
| eharney | which spec? | 16:37 |
| bswartz | it solves an existing problem | 16:37 |
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| bswartz | the initial NFS driver was implemented in a bad way, and this tries to fix it | 16:37 |
| eharney | there may not be a big problem, this proposal just popped up and conflicts somewhat with the spec we already reviewed | 16:38 |
| eharney | and i don't know how they mesh or whether they should yet | 16:38 |
| erlon | bswartz: but conflicts with the pool aware design that most drivers are going in this direction | 16:38 |
| thingee | eharney: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133173/ | 16:38 |
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| hemna | eharney, ok, so it sounds like we need another spec to introduce pools to the NFS drivers, and remove the merged spec ? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: read line 11 of the etherpad | 16:38 |
| bswartz | erlon: I disagree, it just requires drivers to handle the pools case themselves if they want | 16:38 |
| eharney | it's not clear that the NFS drivers should support pools | 16:38 |
| eharney | or what bswartz said as well | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | sigh... now I'm utterly unsure what to make of this | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Pools were proposed for NFS to begin with, weren't they? | 16:39 |
| bswartz | if an NFS-based driver wants to export multiple pools, it needs to handle that internally -- not by relying on the parent class's broken approach | 16:39 |
| hemna | if a driver wants to support pools, great. if not, great. next. | 16:39 |
| eharney | let me rephrase | 16:39 |
| erlon | bswartz: it make impossible to NFS drivers to use pools | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | eharney: and now you're pointing out they shouldn't be there? | 16:39 |
| eharney | everyone is mixing up two kinds of NFS drivers here. | 16:39 |
| akerr | it's not impossible to support pools on NFS, NetApp does that today | 16:39 |
| bswartz | this proposal fixes the parent class without harming all the drivers that inherit from it, I believe | 16:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | hemna: the proposed changes to Shares might make that "not possible" | 16:40 |
| eharney | there is a basic NFS driver where you have a list of shares that it mounts and it throws volumes across them, the basic software NFS driver | 16:40 |
| eharney | there are other NFS drivers that are attached to hardware that has pools from the hardware side | 16:40 |
| bswartz | eharney: yes, and that's the broken thing, which should be fixed | 16:40 |
| eharney | this proposal is, we should use pools on the software basic NFS driver as well | 16:40 |
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| eharney | this proposal = the one erlon just posted | 16:41 |
| bswartz | I wouldn't block enhancements to the generic NFS driver as long as they can be overriden by child classes | 16:41 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141850/ | 16:41 |
| erlon | akerr: it is possible since we make a small change on RemoteFS driver | 16:41 |
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| eharney | so the question of blocking is: we are redesigning the configuration for the remotefs/nfs drivers | 16:41 |
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| eharney | and we need to decide if we are redesigning it the way i proposed, or in a different way | 16:41 |
| thingee | eharney: thank you :) | 16:41 |
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| bswartz | +1 for the way eharney proposed | 16:42 |
| eharney | having just looked at this proposal <24h ago, i haven't thought through the design enough to know all the details | 16:42 |
| bswartz | at the very least, we need to do what eharney proposes to fix an existing annoy config issue | 16:43 |
| erlon | eharney: we dont need to redesign the configuration only the scheduling suport part | 16:43 |
| bswartz | if someone wants to subclass the generic NFS driver with a pool-supporting-NFS-driver that's cool, and they can configure that however they want | 16:44 |
| erlon | bswartz: I only disagree with the 1 pool limitation | 16:44 |
| erlon | the configuration problem is totaly ok | 16:44 |
| thingee | bswartz: makes sense | 16:44 |
| bswartz | erlon: fix that limitation in a subclass | 16:44 |
| akerr | why not just make the share config option a list instead of a single share, and support pools in the generic nfs driver | 16:44 |
| eharney | akerr: that'd be possible, but i thought that's what multi-backend was for | 16:45 |
| bswartz | don't force everyone who inherits from remotefs to have the added complexity | 16:45 |
| eharney | so why add the complexity | 16:45 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 16:45 |
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| bswartz | eharney: +1 | 16:45 |
| erlon | bswartz: it does not make sense to write a hole subclass for a driver if I can change only a few lines on the base class | 16:45 |
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| akerr | if I have multiple exports on a single share server it makes more sense to allow that to be set up as a single backend with multiple pools | 16:45 |
| kvidvans_ | eharney: +1 | 16:45 |
| erlon | akerr: +1 | 16:45 |
| cknight | akerr: +1 | 16:46 |
| bswartz | erlon: if those few lines are going to be inheritted by a bunch of classes that don't want them, then it does | 16:46 |
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| thingee | erlon: seems like folks are more leaning towards not even having it in the base class. | 16:46 |
| ameade_ | akerr: +1 | 16:46 |
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| winston-d | do we need a vote here? | 16:47 |
| thingee | I think people already voted | 16:47 |
| thingee | it seems like people don't want this in the base class | 16:47 |
| eharney | honestly i'm still kind of undecided based on evaluating the actual impact | 16:47 |
| erlon | thingee: did you count? | 16:48 |
| eharney | because i'm not sure i saw in the patch the same thing we were discussing here | 16:48 |
| winston-d | akerr got quite a few votes too, IIUC, he'd prefer having this in base class? | 16:48 |
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| thingee | ok, so we're split there. | 16:49 |
| thingee | eharney: can you finish reviewing and weigh in once you're done? | 16:49 |
| eharney | i'm not sure this is the whole thing, though? | 16:49 |
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| eharney | the patch covers passing more info into the driver but not the configuration implications to meet the stated goal | 16:49 |
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| eharney | so i'm having trouble seeing the big picture, will need to review more i suppose | 16:50 |
| erlon | thingee: eharney the stated goal for configuration dont need to change at all | 16:50 |
| eharney | well... it has to not change, when we were planning to change it | 16:50 |
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| eharney | imo <24h of thought and review is not enough to reach the end of this | 16:51 |
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| thingee | ok, I'll let eharney continue to weigh in and defer to that. Otherwise I'll go with the rest of the votes here. | 16:51 |
| erlon | we could defer this for more time to review? | 16:51 |
| * flip214 time flies | 16:51 | |
| thingee | #topic Cinder unit test coverage improvement | 16:51 |
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| thingee | winston-d: you're up | 16:51 |
| winston-d | really quick | 16:52 |
| erlon | got 2 go | 16:52 |
| winston-d | I did some UT coverage tests against Cinder and other openstack projects (Nova, Neutron, Swift) as well | 16:52 |
| winston-d | and Cinder has lowest coverage, which is ~74% on master branch. | 16:53 |
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| flip214 | winston-d: I guess that's partly because there are many drivers that never get used? | 16:53 |
| rushiagr | winston-d: how much of it was core + LVM code? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | flip214: unit tests should cover drivers as well | 16:53 |
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| winston-d | I'd like to encourage everybody to do a better job writing UT | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: agree | 16:54 |
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| cknight | winston-d: +1 | 16:54 |
| winston-d | flip214: some drivers, from big vendors also have low coverage | 16:54 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: yes, but not count code for *all* drivers if only a single one is run. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I'd second that, but I'd also add that I think our architecture of the unit test code needs some work | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | flip214: it doesn't work that way... | 16:54 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: agreed | 16:54 |
| thingee | winston-d: no disagreements there. I think the general response from people about asking for more coverage, and I've experienced this myself when I've asked in reviews is that we don't need to cover everything. | 16:54 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: so, will we force moving to mock? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: that's not even my point, but I think we're slowly doing that | 16:55 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: if it only counts driver code to the total if the driver is in use, then okay. I thought that LOC of all drivers are summed up. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: my point is more around how unit tests are written and what they're checking | 16:55 |
| winston-d | I'd start contribute some UT to cinder framework, but driver developers, please take a look at the coverage rate for your driver. | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: this isn't the time to debate this, we can talk in #cinder | 16:55 |
| rhe00_ | winston-d: how did you check the coverage? | 16:55 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: got it | 16:55 |
| winston-d | rhe00_: ./run_tests.sh -c and open the generated html | 16:56 |
| rhe00_ | ok, thanks | 16:56 |
| akerr | can we also start moving the files to mimic the code's directory structure? The flat test directory is getting a git large and unweildy | 16:56 |
| thingee | ok, thanks winston-d | 16:56 |
| thingee | #topic open topic | 16:56 |
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| rushiagr | I've seen many new drivers just testing the 'default' case, which gives roughly 3/4ths of coverage easily | 16:56 |
| thingee | so I'm going to cancel the meeting next week | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | akerr: a git large huh ? ;-) | 16:57 |
| akerr | bit* | 16:57 |
| thingee | holidays for some folks | 16:57 |
| bswartz | thingee: will there meetings next week/following week? | 16:57 |
| bswartz | oh nm | 16:57 |
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| thingee | 31st...are people going to be back? | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | thingee: it makes sence | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | ummm new years? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | not me :) | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: No. | 16:57 |
| akerr | no | 16:58 |
| eharney | no | 16:58 |
| cknight | akerr: +1 | 16:58 |
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| rhe00_ | no | 16:58 |
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| thingee | ok, so the 7th we'll meet again! | 16:58 |
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| rushiagr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136980/ any strong exceptions on this patch? | 16:58 |
| thingee | I'll update the wiki accordingly | 16:58 |
| winston-d | merry xmas and a happy new year. :) | 16:58 |
| rushiagr | (sorry for abruptly adding it) | 16:58 |
| e0ne | ok... 7th is a Cristmas for some part of us... | 16:58 |
| thingee | reminder to folks, especially core..today is the last day for us to help drivers get in | 16:58 |
| thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-priorities | 16:58 |
| e0ne | s/ok/oh | 16:58 |
| rushil | is the deadline for blueprints not related to drivers tomorrow? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, one thing. from me. | 16:59 |
| flip214 | thingee: +1 ;) | 16:59 |
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| eikke | review time! :-) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | I have hotel information in the mid-cycle meet-up wiki: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | rushil: ? deadline for non-driver related bp's? | 16:59 |
| thingee | I encourage core to signup for what they want to help through so we don't spend time on the same patches/burnt out etc. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Please update the list if youy are planning to come! | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | thingee: can you clarify that? | 16:59 |
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| rushil | jgriffith: Yes | 16:59 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: we haven't discussed it | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: seems problematic to me | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: ok... I didn't think so | 17:00 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | Seems like there's a lot of FUD going around about deadlines, features etc | 17:00 |
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| eikke | jgriffith: +1 | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | maybe we should write something up that's *clear* | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 17:00 |
| thingee | jgriffith: not sure what you mean | 17:00 |
| thingee | we'll talk in the cinder room | 17:00 |
| tbarron | so backup driver BP spec already submitted but not yet approved isnt' excluded b/c of this deadline, right? | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| AlkaD | +1 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 17:00:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-12-17-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-12-17-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| rushiagr | thanks all | 17:01 |
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| garyk | hi, anyone around for the VMware meeting? | 17:02 |
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| thangp | o/ | 17:02 |
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| garyk | hi, lets give people a few minutes. i think that may not have enough as people are on vacation. lets wait and see | 17:02 |
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| sabari_ | Hi Gary | 17:04 |
| garyk | hi sabari_ just waiting to see if there is anyone else. | 17:05 |
| sabari_ | sure. | 17:05 |
| garyk | seems to be you, myself and thangp | 17:05 |
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| garyk | should we start? | 17:05 |
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| sabari_ | I think many are on vacation. | 17:05 |
| thangp | sure | 17:05 |
| sabari_ | sure | 17:06 |
| garyk | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:06 |
| garyk | Sems like we do not have many on today due to the holidays. | 17:06 |
| garyk | #topic BP's in flight | 17:06 |
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| garyk | Anyone have anything to dicsuss here? | 17:06 |
| thangp | no bp from me | 17:07 |
| garyk | ok | 17:07 |
| garyk | on my side the ephemeral patch still has a resize issue in review | 17:07 |
| garyk | thangp: thanks for adidng the swap support, i need to review | 17:07 |
| thangp | sure np | 17:07 |
| garyk | the OVA support by rado is coming along nicely | 17:07 |
| thangp | i'm still waiting on the bdm review too | 17:08 |
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| garyk | correct. i have tested that today and it looks good i just need to add my +1. sorry for the delay | 17:08 |
| thangp | np | 17:08 |
| sabari_ | are we also discussing glance here, if so I proposed a bp recently. | 17:08 |
| thangp | i might take 2 months before that lands :P | 17:08 |
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| garyk | thangp: i hope it will land sooner than later | 17:08 |
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| garyk | sabari_: sure, you want to discuss or are things progressing? | 17:09 |
| sabari_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vsphere-store-multiple-datastores | 17:09 |
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| thangp | me too, rebasing is painful sometimes | 17:09 |
| sabari_ | yeah, I just want glance vsphere store to support multiple datastores | 17:09 |
| sabari_ | so that admins can increase capacity after intial configuration. | 17:09 |
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| sabari_ | just started the work and hope to complete it soon. | 17:09 |
| garyk | sabari_: nice. i saw one from HP where they want to make use of NFS to improve performance. | 17:10 |
| garyk | sabari_: nice | 17:10 |
| sabari_ | garyk: oh okay. I will check that out. | 17:10 |
| garyk | ok, thanks | 17:10 |
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| garyk | anything else on BP's? | 17:10 |
| garyk | #topic patches in flight | 17:11 |
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| garyk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+message:vmware,n,z | 17:11 |
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| garyk | i think that we have been getting ncie reviews at the moment. if there are things that are stuck then please let me know. the BDM support by thangp has been in review for quite a long time | 17:11 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/128508 | 17:12 |
| garyk | #topic bugs | 17:12 |
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| garyk | anything urgent? | 17:13 |
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| thangp | not found any (yet) | 17:13 |
| thangp | :) | 17:13 |
| garyk | :) | 17:13 |
| garyk | #topic open discusssion | 17:13 |
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| garyk | anyone have anything else? | 17:13 |
| thangp | none from me | 17:13 |
| sabari_ | garyk: liked this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141028/ | 17:13 |
| garyk | i need to review thangs patches and a few others. other than that all is 'honey' | 17:13 |
| sabari_ | :) | 17:13 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:14 |
| thangp | have a nice week | 17:14 |
| garyk | i guess we will try and see if people ate around next week. if not then hopefully in the new year. | 17:14 |
| garyk | take care! | 17:14 |
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| garyk | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
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| sabari_ | yeah, take care garyk & thangp | 17:14 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| sarob | Roll call | 18:00 |
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| sarob | Anyone here for the trainers meeting? | 18:02 |
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| sarob | I'll put some details on the wire | 18:03 |
| sarob | For review later | 18:03 |
| sarob | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/trainers | 18:03 |
| sarob | The training team is working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+spec/convert-the-xml-into-rst | 18:04 |
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| sarob | Morning | 18:05 |
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| sarob | The implementation of the blueprint to create training slides is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142259/ | 18:06 |
| sarob | One of them | 18:06 |
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| sarob | A patch for each chapter to be changed | 18:06 |
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| sarob | We discussed creating a survey to gauge user group members being trained #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CSH6VBW | 18:08 |
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| sarob | We have a sfbay user group meeting this thurs 7-9pm pst | 18:09 |
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| sarob | I have slides ready | 18:09 |
| rev | May I suggest adding a free-form text field at the bottom for addtional comments? | 18:10 |
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| sarob | Quiz #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142333/ | 18:10 |
| sarob | I will post the class slides patch today | 18:11 |
| sarob | That is all | 18:11 |
| sarob | Anyone here for the trainers meeting? | 18:11 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 18:12:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2014/trainers.2014-12-17-18.00.html | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2014/trainers.2014-12-17-18.00.txt | 18:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2014/trainers.2014-12-17-18.00.log.html | 18:12 |
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| rev | Hey Sarob. I'm here for training. | 18:17 |
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| reed | hello | 18:42 |
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| SalmanShaikh | Is the meeting ended | 18:47 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 19:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| cutforth | hola | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | just a few things to go through today | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | acoles should be back online soon for the last topic | 19:02 |
| lpabon | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | first up. 2.2.1 | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift 2.2.1 | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | RC for the release has been cut | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG | 19:03 |
| notmyname | there's the changelog | 19:03 |
| notmyname | it's a relatively small release from the perspective of end-user features. but there's some nice improvements for ops in there | 19:03 |
| notmyname | plan is to finalize the release at the end of the week | 19:03 |
| notmyname | so if there's anything you find, please let everyone know sooner than later | 19:04 |
| notmyname | two small notes about the release | 19:04 |
| notmyname | first, the tagging has slightly changed due to setuptools now enforcing pep 440 | 19:04 |
| notmyname | previously the RC would be tagged with <version>rc<rc rev> | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | eg 2.2.1rc1 | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | then we'd finalize to 2.2.1 | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | but, pep440 normalizes this to 2.2.1c1 | 19:05 |
| notmyname | note the s/rc/c/ | 19:05 |
| clarkb | notmyname: to make things even more confusing pep440 may be updated to normalize rc to c in the future because people are complaining | 19:05 |
| clarkb | but we will let you know if that happens | 19:05 |
| notmyname | clarkb: yay | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | er sorr c to rc | 19:06 |
| clarkb | basically go back to what we were doing before... | 19:06 |
| notmyname | wow | 19:06 |
| mattoliverau | lol, woo! | 19:06 |
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| torgomatic | here comes the new pep, same as the old pep | 19:06 |
| notmyname | so since we want the tarball to reflect the name of the tag, that means that we have to normalize the tag name according to pep440 | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | so basically, right now you'll see these tags: 2.2.1rc1 and 2.2.1c1 | 19:07 |
| notmyname | the rc is there because we tried it and it broke things (surprise!) so we retagged | 19:07 |
| notmyname | assuming pep440 stays the same, then future rc tags will be of the "c" form | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | so that's a thing. now you know | 19:07 |
| notmyname | ok, for the other "issue" with 2.2.1 | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | not really an issue | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | there were/are a lot of nice patches in progress that aren't in the 2.2.1 release | 19:08 |
| notmyname | not because of lack of trying. and not because they aren't good | 19:08 |
| notmyname | so I expect we'll have another release (2.2.2 or 2.3) in the middle to end of january. which should include those patches | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | why didn't we just wait on 2.2.1 for those patches? a few reasons. we don't know exactly when they'll land. we have a bunch of good stuff already. and, socially, it's nice to have a release right at the end of the year (ie in a marketing "we're here" sense) | 19:10 |
| acoles | hi sorry i'm late | 19:10 |
| notmyname | acoles: welcome | 19:10 |
| * acoles ran into fog on commute | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | any questions about the 2.2.1 release? any concerns or outstanding issues? | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ok. let's move on | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #topic ec status | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | peluse: clayg: torgomatic: any updates for the week on EC? | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | I've been doing other things this week | 19:12 |
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| mattoliverau | i knew it torgomatic must be santa :P | 19:13 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | ho ho oh crap nothing works what have I done | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | ^ my week | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:14 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:14 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority reviews (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:14 | |
| notmyname | a few things I wanted to ask about | 19:15 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: anything new on the fsync dirs patch from ppai https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126923/ ? | 19:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: looks like we're waiting on feedback from the author there | 19:15 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I was talking to ppai today and he has been running some benchmark numbers and also trying out different approaches that were suggested | 19:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I asked him to post those results so people can see and comment | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | which I think he will do soon... | 19:17 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: also looks like you just pushed a new patch this mronign fro versioned writes middleware | 19:17 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, but now running into issues with in-process func tests :( | 19:17 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: still trying to figure things out...might ask for clayg's help later | 19:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ok. do you need anything from us or are you still working through that | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:17 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: still working on it, hopefully I can find a solution soon... | 19:18 |
| notmyname | there are 2 patches about data placement that I'm following closely: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140478/ to warn in ring builder and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140879/ from torgomatic | 19:19 |
| notmyname | and torgomatic is working on another idea right now too | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | these are ones that are affecting some prod clusters today (also customers), so they're more important in my mind :-) | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | and clayg's patch for large containers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141019/ is very nice, since I know that's hit prod clusters before too | 19:20 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ^^ you might find some sympathy for that one in the cloud files team | 19:21 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | I updated the shortlinks to review dashboards with something that's more useful (to me) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | http://goo.gl/JL65l7 and http://goo.gl/r2mxbe | 19:22 |
| notmyname | use them as you wish :-) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | any other specific patches to get a status on or ask questions about in here? | 19:23 |
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| acoles | notmyname: the xlo manifest versioning ones | 19:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: ya, getting there with the next topic (yours) :-) | 19:23 |
| acoles | ok cool | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, then let's move on... | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | #topic versioned writes and manifests | 19:24 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: just a quick question on priority reviews | 19:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: want to vie | 19:24 |
| notmyname | err | 19:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ok | 19:24 |
| tdasilva | any update on migration middleware? | 19:25 |
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| clayg | weeeeee! | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: what clayg said | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:25 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: no negitive feedback filter... seems to have patches with neg feedback.. unless it's just me | 19:25 |
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| tdasilva | gvernik: ^^^? | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'm not seeing that, but if so let's figure it out | 19:26 |
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| clayg | oh i like "in the gate queue" | 19:27 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: could just be my crazy bad english locale :P | 19:27 |
| clayg | makes me feel like we're doing stuff | 19:27 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: gvernik: unfortunately, I think the reality is that it hasn't gotten enough support to get through. and I don't think we (I) have handled that well. but we've been saying "let's get consensus" for a while, and it hasn't happened | 19:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: i don't really get why we have two of them | 19:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: use whatever works for you. the "other" one I like because it gives me a sense of current activity vs "review this stuff now" | 19:28 |
| notmyname | gvernik: tdasilva: clayg: do you think that ^ is a fair sumary of the migration middleware patch? | 19:29 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, sounds good...I just wanted to offer my help in case it is needed... | 19:29 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think I've said enough on the subject - I tried to offer two solutions to either a) do something I can get on board with or b) steamroll over me with no hard feelings | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | clayg: ya, just including you since you've been vocal in the past :-) | 19:30 |
| clayg | i'm always vocal - probably a good reason to exclude me as much as include | 19:31 |
| tdasilva | clayg, notmyname: i liked the 'solution' we came out at the conference...it seemed reasonable... | 19:31 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: definitely you can keep working with gvernik on it. if getting a fresh set of eyes and new life in it helps, so much the better for everyone | 19:31 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: ok. I'll ping gvernik later, he doesn't seem to be around now. | 19:32 |
| notmyname | ok...any more on priority reviews before talking about versioning + manifests? | 19:32 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ok, thanks | 19:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok, want to give a summary of the current state and the outstanding question? | 19:32 |
| acoles | yeah, so there are two reviews pending, one to make SLO manifests be versioned the other to stop DLO manifests being versioned | 19:33 |
| acoles | and the docs say manifests aren't versioned | 19:33 |
| tdasilva | hehe | 19:33 |
| clayg | tdasilva: I wonder if you can trick cschwede into helping out? I think container-alias would be a pretty nice to have feature and a low hanging fruit for a consumer of a new migration/alternative-source framework - I'd be interested to help with the plugin-entry-points work - i tried doing it once for daemons and I keep thinking I want to do it for diskfile and probably storage policies too | 19:33 |
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| clayg | acoles: heh | 19:34 |
| acoles | so i just wondered if collective memory knows why the doc says that? | 19:34 |
| acoles | and any opinion on which way we go? | 19:34 |
| acoles | and is there a reason for dlo to be different from slo? | 19:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: IIRC the doc says no versioning for manifests because versioning ends up doing a copy. which squashes manifests into one object (or errors if it's too large for a single object) | 19:34 |
| * acoles just wants to know how to vote | 19:34 | |
| clayg | i bet it went like "What happens if you add x-version-location to a container and then put a manifest in it?" "Dunno, let's say it's unsupported" | 19:34 |
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| acoles | clayg: :D | 19:35 |
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| acoles | notmyname: good point | 19:35 |
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| clayg | notmyname: you're probably onto something with the COPY squash behavior being problimatic | 19:35 |
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| tdasilva | since the DLO is also a content-length=0 obj, would it make sense to version it? | 19:36 |
| tdasilva | i mean the DLO manifest | 19:36 |
| notmyname | if the copy/squash did something different, I think it would be possible (probably still confusing). but changing copy/squash is probably a Hard Thing | 19:36 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: its the header that points to the segment container that counts | 19:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I'd prefer to keep them the same | 19:36 |
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| acoles | right now dlo and slo manifests get copied to the versions container, but get messed up on way back | 19:37 |
| acoles | sounds like we should fix it so the manifests dont even go there? | 19:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: manifests get copied? wouldn't they be squashed? | 19:37 |
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| clayg | if you overwrite a xlo manifest in a versioned container it should probably just create a copy of the manifest - and leave squash out of it | 19:37 |
| notmyname | this probably gets really confusing for tdasilva | 19:38 |
| tdasilva | I believe in the DLO case it is copying the manifest | 19:38 |
| notmyname | the middleware patch | 19:38 |
| clayg | I think there's a flag you can sent to manifests (for get's anyway) that says (just give me the manifest) - if the version copy did that I think it'd be fine | 19:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya, for both DLO and SLO | 19:38 |
| acoles | no the manifest gets copied, but on way back headers are lost so it no longer behaves like a manifest | 19:38 |
| clayg | messed up on the way back? | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ?multipart_manifest=get IIRC | 19:38 |
| clayg | acoles: sounds like a but with versions | 19:38 |
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| acoles | clayg: xlo headers aren't copied back from versions container | 19:39 |
| clayg | acoles: no headers/metadata should get added/removed in the copy? | 19:39 |
| clayg | acoles: yah just sounds like a bug | 19:39 |
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| clayg | like I said - i'm *pretty* sure someone one just said it's to confusing, unsupported | 19:39 |
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| acoles | clayg: i *think* only user meta gets copied by default | 19:39 |
| clayg | and now you're all going trying to make sense of it | 19:39 |
| tdasilva | hehe...like notmyname said, I need to make sense of it | 19:40 |
| tdasilva | for the middleware | 19:40 |
| clayg | just make a purposal that says how you think it should work and if that makes sense and is implementable we can do that | 19:40 |
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| acoles | clayg: nah, i think i have heard enough, the doc wins! | 19:40 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: also really affects where in the pipeline the version middleware will go | 19:40 |
| notmyname | before or after xLO middleware | 19:40 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: yes, i've been putting before | 19:40 |
| clayg | tdasilva: I think should consider versions and manifest mostly green field - try to think about use cases - docs say it doesn't work so anyone relying on existing behavior is probably in for bad time regardless | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ...if only we had some sort of pipeline solver tool.... | 19:40 |
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| clayg | ok, so we have a plan? continue to ignore it? | 19:42 |
| notmyname | ya, clayg is right. figure out the sanest end-user story. what makes sense. it's not supported now. | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | so do we risk breaking clients one way or another? | 19:42 |
| notmyname | if so, don't do that one. if not, do what makes sense | 19:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: probably, but I think they're already off the rails - and we don't even have any tests to understand the current behavior - must less how we'd be changing it | 19:43 |
| notmyname | acoles: tdasilva: what are you wanting to implement? what do you expect? | 19:43 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: good point, I think one of the tests we have is actually wrong | 19:43 |
| acoles | notmyname: nothing works now, you don't ever get a sane manifest back from the versions container | 19:43 |
| torgomatic | so (a) find out what happens now, (b) figure out if it's sane enough to keep around, and (c) do something sane | 19:43 |
| notmyname | possible to version manifests? or not possible? | 19:43 |
| clayg | acoles: probably just thinks its funny no one knows how it works | 19:43 |
| clayg | tdasilva: is acctually worried he's going to "break" something with the version middleware | 19:43 |
| notmyname | ah, yes. ok. it doesn't work now at all (because headers are stripped) | 19:44 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: i like that - it's broadly applicable - liek the scientifici method | 19:44 |
| notmyname | so what do we want? | 19:44 |
| torgomatic | TIME TRAVEL! | 19:44 |
| notmyname | we know what happens now: it breaks | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | what do we want to happen? | 19:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm not goig to implement it - but i'll review it - let's see what tdasilva comes up with | 19:45 |
| acoles | notmyname: i'm not proposing to go make manifests versionable. tdasilva's patch stops them leaking out to versions container, so that seems good based on this discussion | 19:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: I want tdasilva to figure it out and tell me what to think | 19:45 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:45 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: it's all up to you! | 19:45 |
| tdasilva | hehe | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva is the one writing the actual code, so he's got all the votes right now :-) | 19:45 |
| tdasilva | ok...i'll keep working on it and try to come up with a proposal to you guys | 19:45 |
| notmyname | great! | 19:45 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for bringing it up | 19:45 |
| acoles | yeah, tell us tdasilva | 19:46 |
| clayg | acoles: not copying something in a versioned container out to the version location when you overwrite it seems like an interesting choice :\ | 19:46 |
| clayg | but maybe | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | clayg: no! you don't get to make comments. tdasilva will tell you what to think! | 19:46 |
| clayg | right! | 19:46 |
| tdasilva | lol | 19:46 |
| notmyname | #topic other stuff | 19:46 |
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| tdasilva | it's usually more the other way around | 19:46 |
| notmyname | any thing else to bring up this week? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | no meetings for the next 2 weeks | 19:47 |
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| cipher | I heard the at-rest encryption design was approved. Has there been any implementation for that yet? | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | next meeting is jan 7 | 19:47 |
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| ferndoggy | cipher good question | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | cipher: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/swift-specs/specs/in_progress/at_rest_encryption.html | 19:48 |
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| ferndoggy | I also wish to know about swift encryption | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | what we're doing on specs is approving them not when they are 100% complete. but when we agree on something | 19:48 |
| notmyname | keep them as living documents of stuff people are designing and working on | 19:48 |
| notmyname | so the fact that the spec has been approved isn't quite accurate. more accurate is that the ideas as presented are agreed upon | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | the more pressing question is "now that there is something agreed upon, who's working on it?" | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | there were a _lot_ of people active on it so far https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123220/ | 19:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: not it! | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic was working on it, but he's doing some placements stuff and EC right now | 19:51 |
| notmyname | (ie before encryption) | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | well, I worked on the spec... I might have typed "import pycrypto" at one point, but that's about the size of it | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | ferndoggy: cipher: so that's the status :-) | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | and that's not even the crypto lib we're going to end up using, so... | 19:52 |
| cipher | what lib will we end up using? | 19:52 |
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| torgomatic | cryptography, I imagine. It's already in the global requirements.txt. | 19:52 |
| notmyname | https://github.com/pyca/cryptography | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | yeah, that one :) | 19:52 |
| cipher | ok, thanks | 19:53 |
| ferndoggy | thank you | 19:53 |
| notmyname | cipher: just because of your nick, are you interested in working on it? ;-) | 19:53 |
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| cipher | perhaps | 19:53 |
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| cipher | I am new to the topic, but will look over the spec and history. | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | cipher: cool. and please ask any questions in #openstack-swift | 19:54 |
| ajiang | I assume that will be some shape of encryption in the L release? | 19:54 |
| notmyname | we're nearly out of time. anything else? | 19:54 |
| notmyname | ajiang: I'm not assuming anything on dates of implementation at this point | 19:55 |
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| clayg | ajiang: yeah didn't everyone just get done saying not a line of code has been typed? | 19:55 |
| notmyname | EC is more of a priority than encryption right now | 19:55 |
| clayg | ^ for me anyways | 19:56 |
| clayg | dunno what everyone else has a bee in their bonnet about | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'm calling it. thanks everyone for coming! have a great holiday! | 19:57 |
| ajiang | yeah, my question is more like a project manager questions | 19:57 |
| ajiang | thanks | 19:57 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 19:57:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-17-19.00.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-17-19.00.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-17-19.00.log.html | 19:57 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 20:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | sort-of here (at the hospital) | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:00 |
| ryansb | \o | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | hope all is well stevebaker | 20:01 |
| russellb | stevebaker: eep, hope everything is ok | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: O. did something bad happen?! | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: son is having a day of tests | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | mostly borin | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | ok cool | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | \g | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | whuh :) | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | #link agenda in the normal place: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-12-18_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-10-12.00.html | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | ok that action is done | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | skraynev and i chatted to therve | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | anything new | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | ok, moving on | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #topic kilo-1 | 20:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
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| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-1 | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | 3 in progress bugs | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1401929 | 20:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401929 in heat "Overzealous validation of images in empty ResourceGroups" [High,In progress] | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | mmm, not sure that's going to get in | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | well we can wait for shardy to write some tests | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1396917 | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396917 in heat "set stack to ADOPT_FAILED if disable stack adopt " [Medium,In progress] | 20:07 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | hi pas-ha | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | we are going through the k1 bugs | 20:08 |
| pas-ha | ok | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, how is your bug going | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1402472 | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: you did not miss something very important ;) | 20:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402472 in heat "heat standalone mode should work with keystone v3" [Medium,In progress] | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | ok, cool | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: I'll be able to work on the extra unit test next | 20:09 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | shardy's one might have to go | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | the others look ok | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | that's all for k1 | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | \o/ | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | #topic Planing the midcycle meetup online - bring your ideas! | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | so we need to start making some concrete plans for the online meetup | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | anyone got some ideas on how to do this? | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | ok, everyone seems to be super quiet today | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | we'll need to choose a time zone to sync to | 20:12 |
| jpeeler | do we have a date and a list of participants? | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler, no | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | need that to coordinate choosing the time zone | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-midcycle-meetup | 20:13 |
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| asalkeld | bit old | 20:14 |
| skraynev_ | also I remmber, that we had idea to make some local groups (to minimaze counts of people on call) | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | yeah, could do | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | a partly crazy idea is to have this as a one or two hour a day thing | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | to workaround the TZs | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | I assume there will be a big convergence theme | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | ok so we need to figure out: | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | date | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | topics? or is that dynamic | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | software | 20:16 |
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| asalkeld | (skype/g+/whatever) | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | format | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | participants | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | I'll write up an email and we try figure those out | 20:17 |
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| asalkeld | (to the ml) | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | +1 | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld to write up an email to the ml re: meetup | 20:17 |
| ryansb | probably scope it down to just TZ/software/date | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | skype would be really voice only, some people a highly motivated against g+.. still need to try that new built-in webrtc from mozilla | 20:18 |
| ryansb | topics can wait | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | ryansb, sure | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | if people want a short meeting, i'd be happy to end early | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | I have some Q | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | can someone help me figure out what we consider as critical exceptions from neutronclient? | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142448/ | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | for now I just considerd OverQuota, but there are 7 more | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | all disguised as Conflict | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | conflict seems ok | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | (as in use Conflict) | 20:22 |
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| pas-ha | well, simple Conflict if you create a rule that is there - np | 20:22 |
| pas-ha | but if you tried to create a rule and it is not there due to "conflict" with quota - that's a reason for failure | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | they all look like show stoppers | 20:23 |
| pas-ha | I mean IpAddressGenerationFailureClient also look like a failure to me | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | also I have short update about our grenade job: after rebasing and updating some code I met a issues with devstack Heat installation (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142045/) so hope it's last, what blocks grenade gates now :) | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | nice skraynev | 20:24 |
| pas-ha | ok, we can discuss further in the patch, and anyway there would be a place to add them all later | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, you don't want to just change to "Conflict"? | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | you mean to fail on all conflicts? | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:26 |
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| pas-ha | as I said, pure type(ex) is Conflict is raised when one tries to create a "duplicate" rule in a secgroup - nbd in that case | 20:26 |
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| pas-ha | but the class hierarchy in those neutronclient exceptions is quite strange to my taste | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | ok, i see what you mean | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | i'll review the patch after some coffee | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | don't get me started on neutronclient exceptions ;) | 20:27 |
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| pas-ha | we should ignore Client but not ignore its children, at least some of them | 20:28 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, now I get you :) | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | i am not sure how overquota can be a conflict | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | ok well it seems like topics are running out | 20:29 |
| pas-ha | also, another question while digging in some old bugs - | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 20:29 |
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| pas-ha | do we ever want to enable stack/resources names with non-latin chars? | 20:30 |
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| asalkeld | not sure | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | I thought there was already changes to support that for resource names, not sure how far it got | 20:30 |
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| pas-ha | I am personally a bit against it as that would somehow depend on how the db backend is configured, e.g. ust in mysql tables | 20:31 |
| pas-ha | s/ust/utf | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, we require utf atm | 20:31 |
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| pas-ha | aha, ok | 20:32 |
| pas-ha | need to tink more then :) | 20:32 |
| pas-ha | s/tink/think/ | 20:32 |
| * pas-ha getting sloppy with kb | 20:32 | |
| pas-ha | ok, I'm out of Qs for now :) | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo/db/sqlalchemy/migration.py#L92-L111 | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | ok, i'll end early | 20:34 |
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| spzala | asalkeld: hi, just an update, heat-translator project repo renaming is complete - https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator is the new one | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | spzala, nice | 20:34 |
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| spzala | asalkeld: :-) yes, thanks | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | anything more spzala? | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | else we will end early | 20:35 |
| spzala | asalkeld: nope | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 20:35:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | thanks all | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-17-20.00.html | 20:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-17-20.00.txt | 20:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-17-20.00.log.html | 20:35 |
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