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crinkle | o/ | 14:01 |
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EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
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sbadia | o/ | 14:02 |
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crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 14:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 14:03:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:03 |
crinkle | #topic Aviator and keystone v3 update | 14:04 |
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crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139942/ | 14:04 |
crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116754/ | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | crinkle: ready for review? | 14:05 |
crinkle | I've refactored the base provider in openstacklib to be easier to test, not have any keystone-specific stuff, and to be a lot easier to use | 14:05 |
crinkle | yes please review | 14:05 |
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crinkle | the keystone review has been updated to use the newer better base provider in openstacklib | 14:06 |
crinkle | unfortunately I just realized this will mean that keystone 5.1.0 will depend on openstacklib >=5.1.0 but since it's an internal library I think that is okay | 14:06 |
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EmilienM | crinkle: it's fair I think | 14:07 |
crinkle | okay | 14:07 |
EmilienM | crinkle: I'll review it today & tomorrow | 14:08 |
crinkle | EmilienM: thanks | 14:08 |
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crinkle | #info openstacklib base provider refactored and keystone_tenant updated | 14:08 |
crinkle | #info no v3 support yet | 14:08 |
sbadia | I'll take a look too | 14:08 |
crinkle | awesome | 14:09 |
crinkle | that was my update | 14:09 |
EmilienM | bogdando: any chance to have a status on the Pacemaker bits? | 14:09 |
EmilienM | crinkle: if bogdando is around, we can switch the topic | 14:09 |
bogdando | EmilienM, hi. Nothing to update, patches are on review | 14:09 |
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EmilienM | ok | 14:10 |
crinkle | #topic open discussion | 14:10 |
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EmilienM | #action EmilienM to review Pacemaker patches | 14:10 |
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crinkle | I will look too | 14:11 |
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crinkle | any other pet patches that need review? | 14:12 |
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sbadia | :-D a lot of patchs need review in our review-queue | 14:13 |
sbadia | but specific one, I don't know | 14:13 |
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* crinkle will try to catch up again | 14:13 | |
EmilienM | sbadia: crinkle: yes, that would be great people would do some triage also | 14:14 |
sbadia | EmilienM: yup, I will do this week, and also on bug | 14:14 |
EmilienM | sbadia: cool | 14:14 |
crinkle | #action everyone please help review and triage | 14:15 |
crinkle | anything else? | 14:15 |
sbadia | seems ok for me | 14:15 |
crinkle | oh I noticed the beaker-rspec changes weren't really working, made a patch to project-config to fix | 14:16 |
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crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141728/ | 14:16 |
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crinkle | o/ | 14:17 |
crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 14:17:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-15-14.03.html | 14:17 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-15-14.03.txt | 14:17 |
sbadia | oh! nice catch | 14:17 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-12-15-14.03.log.html | 14:17 |
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sbadia | crinkle: thanks! | 14:17 |
EmilienM | crinkle: sbadia thanks | 14:19 |
sbadia | EmilienM: thanks! | 14:19 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 15:04:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:04 |
anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 15:04 |
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anteaya | omrim_: to answer the question you asked in private that I requested you bring in here | 15:59 |
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anteaya | you don't need to email any list when you offer a patch | 15:59 |
anteaya | those interested can see the patch | 15:59 |
anteaya | emailing about a patch is redundant | 15:59 |
rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
openstack | rakhmerov: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
rakhmerov | hi all | 16:00 |
anteaya | and thanks for offering the patch omrim_ | 16:00 |
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anteaya | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 16:00:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-15-15.04.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-15-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-12-15-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
anteaya | rakhmerov: you need to start your meeting again | 16:00 |
omrim_ | Yes I know but I just want more information for the FAQ page..So I want to collect more frequent question by sending an email... | 16:00 |
anteaya | mine wasn't finished so yours didn't start | 16:01 |
anteaya | omrim_: our meeting is over now | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 16:01:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | again | 16:01 |
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nmakhotkin | hi ! | 16:03 |
dzimine | hi | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
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rakhmerov | alright, let's go | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | 1. akuznetsova: check if task-defaults work for reverse workflows | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | done, there was actually a bug not only in reverse workflow | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | I fixed it | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | it's merged | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | 2. NikolayM, create new BPs for what's left on "for-each" | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | Nikolay, could you please insert the links here? | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | related to this work | 16:05 |
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bhavenst | aloha | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | hi Bryan | 16:06 |
rakhmerov | how are you? | 16:06 |
nmakhotkin | yes, one second | 16:06 |
nmakhotkin | launchpad is too slow | 16:06 |
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bhavenst | not bad, thanks | 16:06 |
nmakhotkin | one for parallelism - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-for-each-parallelism | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | (to both of you :) ) | 16:07 |
nmakhotkin | and (it was before) one for "fails-allowed" - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-for-each-cardinality | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | ok, I'll just add from myself. There's also a doc created by Nikolay https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1iw0OgQcU0LV_i3Lnbax9NqAJ397zSYA3PMvl6F_uqm0/edit | 16:08 |
nmakhotkin | yes | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | where here's writing on complete for-each specification | 16:08 |
dzimine | ^^ thanks Nikolay | 16:08 |
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rakhmerov | please participate | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:09 |
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nmakhotkin | dzimine, could you take a look on it? | 16:09 |
dzimine | yes I did already, and going to 1) have comments 2) run by our devops and get their take on it. | 16:09 |
dzimine | some things off the top I am not happy about is increased verbosity and 'computer-scienctific language' which not all normal people can understand. | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | my status: last week I completed what was left on "join", fixed that bug with "task-defaults" (didn't work if there was something in 'task-defaults' and nothing in tasks), discussed further plans with Dmitri | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, what do you mean? | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | I'm really curious about it | 16:10 |
dzimine | I'll comment in the document, but e.g. 'concurrency' makes sense from inside, less from outside. | 16:11 |
bhavenst | Status: Finishing up pause-before (Renat's comments). Realized I didn't test with pause-before set as a task-default so will do that too. | 16:11 |
nmakhotkin | status: I fixed some things in for-each, refactor it. Also my commits on docs were merged. | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, all the terminology is up to discussion, nothing is decided yet | 16:12 |
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rakhmerov | bhavenst, ok, good. I just left some minor comments, overall looks good | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | I wonder if Nastya is here? | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | akuznetsova? | 16:13 |
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rakhmerov | she's in skype but she may have another meeting at the moment | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | ok, let's go on | 16:14 |
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dzimine | info: my-status: 1) finally caught up with for-each functionality and spec and created all this mess with us needing to review and redo it; 2) with Winson, looked into 'runtime / global context' BP to figure how we want it. Still more design/thinking needed, need to talk it over with you guys. 3) | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | yes | 16:15 |
dzimine | @lakshmi from our team has joined the project, got the first patch - fix the logging. Manas is working on better logging.conf sample | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | ooh, that's good | 16:15 |
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rakhmerov | dzimine and others, on that "globals" etc. topic | 16:16 |
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rakhmerov | my general comment is that it feels to me we're discussing it with too many minor technical details | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | so that we can't see the trees behind the forest | 16:16 |
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dzimine | 4) we began to implement internally the 'client' to watch the workflow execution, and out of this looking to the API and will bring changes to help clients track the workflow with the reasonable number of API calls. | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:17 |
dzimine | 5) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-event-listeners-http - we learned that for a client this is not a reliable way to track the workflow execution, thus deferred the blueprint for now. | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | all the way around rather.. :) "forest behind the trees" | 16:18 |
dzimine | aha, one more: | 16:18 |
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rakhmerov | yes, I moved it to the next cycle | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | I don't want to rush with this BP | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | because it touches lots of important things | 16:18 |
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dzimine | that's it. | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | quick question | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | you said "will bring changes to help clients track the workflow with the reasonable number of API calls." | 16:19 |
dzimine | and rakhmerov, your fix on transaction DID seem to fix the 2CPU bug I mentinoed before. | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | ooh, really?? | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | it may have actually, yes | 16:20 |
dzimine | I mean the current api seems about right, but if anything is suboptimal, we'll fix ti. | 16:20 |
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rakhmerov | yes, ok | 16:20 |
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rakhmerov | let's discuss it separately, if needed | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | ok, let's continue | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | #topic Release "Kilo-1" progress | 16:21 |
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rakhmerov | I don't have much to discuss on that since last time | 16:21 |
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rakhmerov | I included it just to have a chance to discuss something related to it quickly | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | so, one thing that's been already mentioned is that we moved "event-listeners" BP to the next cycle | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | as far as other things | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | Bryan is about to complete "pause-before" I think | 16:22 |
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rakhmerov | Bryan, do you feel you can do it within the next couple of days? | 16:23 |
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bhavenst | Yeah, I'll try to finish it today | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | seems like there shouldn't be much work but not sure about your work plans | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | ok, thanks a lot | 16:23 |
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bhavenst | Don't see why I can't at this point. Only if I hit something unexpected | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | yeah, ok | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | it would be nice if you could alter resume algo a little bit (should be not that hard) right in this patch | 16:24 |
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rakhmerov | so that the change would be atomic | 16:24 |
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bhavenst | I'm not sure if that's possible for the same reason I already experienced. That I can't get a handle on existing task objects. | 16:25 |
bhavenst | But I'll try | 16:26 |
bhavenst | Adding IDLE is no problem there, but that doesn't seem to be sufficient to actually resume the task. | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | handle on existing task objects? | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | ooh | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | not sure I'm 100% right but | 16:26 |
bhavenst | I can pick up that a task is in IDLE but the only way to trigger it is to instantiate a new one | 16:26 |
bhavenst | which just gets paused again. :) | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | resume basically fetches tasks recursively and finds ones for which db tasks don't exist yet | 16:27 |
bhavenst | The task execution object is built and prepared, but exec was skipped. So I need to call exec on that object itself | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | as far as I remember | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | so IMO we just need to change that condition a little bit | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | from "db instance doesn't exist" to "db instance doesn't exist or if it does then it's not in IDLE state" | 16:28 |
bhavenst | Yeah, I tried that already. | 16:28 |
nmakhotkin | AFAIK we can use another method of engine to run existing (and prepared) task | 16:28 |
bhavenst | Resulted in 2 of the same task | 16:28 |
rakhmerov | ook | 16:28 |
bhavenst | I could delete from db like you suggested, but would need to maintain the "already paused" state somewhere else | 16:28 |
rakhmerov | hm... maybe I really don't see something | 16:28 |
bhavenst | more likely I don't | 16:29 |
bhavenst | :) | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | :)) | 16:29 |
bhavenst | I'll try it again following your comments here. | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | ok, anyway, please try to spend some time on that and if you get stuck with something let us know about your findings | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | sure | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | thanks | 16:30 |
bhavenst | will do | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | ok, another thing | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | HA testing is already going on | 16:30 |
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rakhmerov | I mean we have a BP about that | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | it's in progress and Nastya already got some results | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | but, of course, the whole thing is really big | 16:31 |
rakhmerov | and this is just the beginning | 16:31 |
dzimine | I recall we asked Nastya to share the test plans. Right? | 16:31 |
rakhmerov | yes! | 16:31 |
rakhmerov | I asked her again | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | she's planning to do that this week | 16:31 |
dzimine | meaning, 'we tested it and it worked ok' doesn't give much specicifity / confidence | 16:31 |
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dzimine | test first, plan last :) | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, share all the work on HA testing & benchmarking | 16:31 |
dzimine | that will bring us to Test Driven Deveoplment point which I want in open discussion :) | 16:32 |
dzimine | :) | 16:32 |
rakhmerov | sure-sure | 16:32 |
rakhmerov | you're right | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | it's being taken care of, don't worry :) | 16:32 |
rakhmerov | I mean not only this testing ;) | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | we also have a couple of bugs that we'd like to fix in this cycle | 16:33 |
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rakhmerov | one of them is https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1401039 | 16:33 |
dzimine | what are the bugs? | 16:33 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401039 in mistral "Input inline syntax does not escape "=" symbol" [Medium,New] | 16:33 |
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rakhmerov | looks like Nikolay knows how to fix it | 16:34 |
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rakhmerov | but if Lakshmi wants to fix it himself he can try to do it | 16:34 |
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rakhmerov | Nikolay, can you pls share your idea with Lakshmi about how this issue can be fixed? | 16:35 |
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dzimine | AFAIK @lakshmi looked at it, he left the suggestions in the bug and passed it back to Nikolay | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | because what Lakshmi suggested in the ticket is not really going to work (IMO) | 16:35 |
dzimine | up to you two. | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
dzimine | if Nikolay knows how to do it just go ahead fix. | 16:36 |
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rakhmerov | :) | 16:36 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
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rakhmerov | there's one more thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1324967 | 16:37 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1324967 in mistral "Fix devstack back to using Rabbit when the RPC problem is fixed" [High,In progress] | 16:37 |
nmakhotkin | I've already sent the mail to Lakshmi | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | but it's really minor | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | and not urgent | 16:37 |
nmakhotkin | about how to fix this bug | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | but we may want to look at it | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | maybe he'll want to do that by the end of the day | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | if not, then let's go ahead and fix it tomorrow | 16:37 |
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rakhmerov | let's now try to discuss "for-each" a little bit | 16:38 |
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rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, fix the bug with "=" sign in simplified syntax if Lakshmi doesn't fix it himself by the end of Monday | 16:39 |
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rakhmerov | #topic "for-each" spec | 16:39 |
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rakhmerov | the doc once again: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1iw0OgQcU0LV_i3Lnbax9NqAJ397zSYA3PMvl6F_uqm0/edit | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | so is there something right now that we could discuss? | 16:39 |
dzimine | on 'for-each' - good news we understand the scope of the feature and Nikolay has captured it in the spec (almost0. | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | we don't have much time but anyway | 16:40 |
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rakhmerov | at least we could scratch the surface | 16:40 |
dzimine | Bad news, as they say in Product Management, 'the answer is not in this building', meaning what makes sense to us turned out to make little sense to the users. | 16:40 |
dzimine | My concerns: increased verbosity. | 16:40 |
rakhmerov | give an example | 16:41 |
rakhmerov | where? | 16:41 |
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rakhmerov | dzimine? | 16:42 |
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dzimine | for each now itself has two subsections. | 16:42 |
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dzimine | properties and input. | 16:42 |
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dzimine | input is a duplication of task's input, thus confusing. | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | yes, but it's self-contained | 16:43 |
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rakhmerov | I agree on "input", hence I suggested some different name | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | like "loop-expressoin" or something like that | 16:43 |
dzimine | well, we better do this off-line in the document, and also bounce this off the guys who are trying to use the DSL and have already give us the feedback on it's verbosity. | 16:43 |
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rakhmerov | would be good to consult with native speakers on better alternatives :) | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | just one wish | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | please don't consider it as something that we're pushing | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | you are the equal participants of the discussion | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | suggest your options | 16:45 |
dzimine | there are 2 cases where we need to be good: 1) simplest form of for-each which is used in 80% cases thus shouldn't carry any heavy stuff, RIGHT DEFAULTS, and 2) all the complex variations - parallel limits (concurrency), combinations, etc. | 16:45 |
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rakhmerov | yes, agree | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | ooh, btw | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | we actually had an interesting thought | 16:46 |
dzimine | I'll look at it today/tomorrow and get the native speaker devops feedback on it, too. | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | for-each: p1={$.array1} p2={$.array2} | 16:46 |
dzimine | Nikolay can you do me a favor and beef up the example so it's the whole 'task', not just for-each part of it, so it will make sense without explanation. | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | it's super concise | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | but it's not clear how to tune it | 16:46 |
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rakhmerov | I mean provide other options like "parallelism" and others | 16:47 |
dzimine | got it. | 16:47 |
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rakhmerov | so please think about it as well | 16:47 |
dzimine | if we figure the long form, turning it to short form is not a big deal. | 16:47 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, agree that we need a full example | 16:47 |
rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, add full example(s) to 'for-each' spec | 16:48 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:48 |
dzimine | let's add another action to discuss the contexts, the other blueprint. | 16:48 |
dzimine | We can similarly write a spec and flash it out. | 16:49 |
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dzimine | And for the last 10 min I want to discuss Test driven develpment. | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | I actually planned a topic about contexts (scoping) but ok | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | if you want we can skip it | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | #action all, keep discussing contexts (scopes) in the mailing list and other channels | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | #topic Test Driven Development | 16:50 |
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rakhmerov | fire away | 16:50 |
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dzimine | no point of re-stating the problem :) | 16:51 |
dzimine | or? | 16:51 |
dzimine | else I jump to solution. | 16:51 |
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dzimine | We are editing the spec on for-each now, how about we try and make a test a spec. | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | whatever you think is needed Dmitri | 16:52 |
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rakhmerov | ok, here's my input | 16:53 |
dzimine | and review the test as WIP on gerrit reveiw, make sure we agree on functionality and how it is tested, there, and add implementation. | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | I think in this case it makes sense to actually have a document | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | so that we could explain something, add examples, comments etc. | 16:53 |
dzimine | ^^ it does, yes. | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | at least we should agree on something.. | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | before we start coding | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | I'm not saying on everything | 16:54 |
dzimine | yes on for-each, and may be on context | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | yes | 16:54 |
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rakhmerov | but in 80% of the cases I agree | 16:54 |
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rakhmerov | we can write a spec as a test first and then implement it | 16:54 |
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rakhmerov | so may be it makes sense to repeat the main point | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | we're appealing to write tests! | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | and | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | not only to write them | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | but write before implementation | 16:56 |
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rakhmerov | not always it's possible though | 16:56 |
dzimine | let's test-drive an learn to do it on for-each. | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | but we should try | 16:56 |
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rakhmerov | yes | 16:56 |
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rakhmerov | somethings, for example, when we need to research something it may not be possible | 16:57 |
dzimine | once we flash out the feature, review the test, once we happy with the test, we go to implementation. | 16:57 |
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rakhmerov | which is ok | 16:57 |
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rakhmerov | yes | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | I'm 100% for it | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | 2 mins left | 16:57 |
dzimine | and it's case-by-case, I am not proposing to do this for every BP. | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | anything else folks? | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | I would say in most cases it should work | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | this approach | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | from my previous experience | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | ok, 1 min left | 16:58 |
dzimine | ok, for-each - 1) docs 2) test, 3) impl | 16:58 |
dzimine | agreed? | 16:58 |
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rakhmerov | yes, we did | 16:59 |
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dzimine | Niklay, are you on board? | 16:59 |
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rakhmerov | I hope Nikolay either did :) | 16:59 |
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rakhmerov | ok, guys | 16:59 |
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nmakhotkin | yes, I'am ok with it | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | it's time | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | thanks for coming | 16:59 |
nmakhotkin | bye! | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | bye | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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matjazp | hey | 17:00 |
timfreund | Hello | 17:01 |
dguitarbite | hello | 17:01 |
sayali | hello | 17:01 |
sarob | hello all | 17:01 |
MeganR | Hi | 17:01 |
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sarob | agenda from #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides#Agenda_15st_December | 17:01 |
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sarob | #topic status on branch | 17:02 |
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dguitarbite | work in progress | 17:02 |
sarob | patch can be found here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141369/ | 17:02 |
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dguitarbite | waiting for feedback from docs team | 17:02 |
sarob | spec on branch can be found there | 17:03 |
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sarob | I added a question we can answer here | 17:04 |
sarob | discuss maybe | 17:04 |
sarob | launchpad has a juno series | 17:04 |
sarob | we plan to ignore that for this branch | 17:04 |
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sarob | when i release, launchpad tarballs the repo, right? | 17:06 |
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sarob | dguitarbite? | 17:07 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: I am not sure if I follow you | 17:07 |
sarob | in launchpad | 17:08 |
sarob | we have series and milestones | 17:08 |
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sarob | we assign bp to milestones | 17:08 |
sarob | milestones are set to series | 17:08 |
sarob | as part of the release | 17:08 |
sarob | process | 17:08 |
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matjazp | are you saying that launchpad will create tarballs with icehouse version and pack it as juno? | 17:08 |
sarob | no, | 17:09 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: we do not have a proper release cycle yet | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | tarballs will be created by github and git.openstack.org | 17:09 |
sarob | dguitarbite: i get that | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | need not worry about them | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | for now its more important to branch for archival purposes | 17:09 |
sarob | dguitarbite: understood | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | and make the content easily available for others | 17:09 |
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dguitarbite | so that RST work can proceede | 17:10 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: im just thinking throught the launchpad part | 17:11 |
sarob | dguitarbite: the rest makes sense | 17:11 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I am a bit ignorant of launchpad part | 17:12 |
dguitarbite | IMHO, I think that its that relevant as of now | 17:12 |
matjazp | sarob: I still don't get it where is the problem? Can you elaborate? | 17:13 |
rluethi | dguitarbite: you mean not relevant!? | 17:13 |
sarob | dguitarbite: its the last detail | 17:13 |
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sarob | look to #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 17:14 |
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sarob | id like to follow #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/kilo | 17:14 |
sarob | once you set it as released, its listed as release in launchpad | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | launchpad is under our control, its easier to modify the release tracking and specifications there | 17:15 |
sarob | i want to understand what the docs program wants to do a part of branching | 17:15 |
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sarob | should we be concluding the series within launchpad as well | 17:16 |
dguitarbite | I am not sure if we could get Icehouse in there | 17:16 |
sarob | by marking the series as released | 17:16 |
sarob | dguitarbite: we never listed icehouse so i guess not | 17:16 |
dguitarbite | the release is Icehouse (content wise) where as the branch name may be Juno | 17:16 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I am not sure if Icehouse can be listed here | 17:17 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: perhaps not | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | it may be because we got separate repository when we where in Juno cucle | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | *cycle | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | so icehouse may not be possible there | 17:17 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: id like to understand what the rest of the docs cores think we should be doing for branching with launchpad | 17:18 |
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sarob | as the whole docs team | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I do not understand what branching with launchpad exactly implies | 17:18 |
sarob | dguitarbite: well i guess im not sure either | 17:19 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: as I told you, I think we can worry about the launchpad tracking part after the spec is merged and the branching in git is carried out | 17:19 |
sarob | dguitarbite: so we need to decide the launchpad whats and hows for releases with annegentle and others | 17:19 |
sarob | dguitarbite: sure that sounds right | 17:19 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: if you look at the link register a series | 17:20 |
sarob | dguitarbite: i understand github and launchpad are separate | 17:20 |
dguitarbite | it would be simpler I guess to know that its kind of trivial to do it on our own | 17:20 |
dguitarbite | once the repos are set | 17:20 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: we have a series of things to do as part of branching | 17:20 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: i just want to understand what we are supposed to be doing in launchpad as well when we branch | 17:21 |
sarob | dguitarbite: i dont think its a big deal | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I may not be accurate but I think we need to register a new seriers name it icehouse and track it to the icehosue branch | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | but I can be totally wrong | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | as I told before I do not know much about how to go with launchpad | 17:22 |
sarob | dguitarbite: i can fiddle with it | 17:22 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: i think we can figure this out alot faster by working with the rest of the docs cores, or not | 17:24 |
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sarob | it looks like the manuals juno series hasnt been released in launchpad #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/juno | 17:24 |
sarob | dguitarbite: ill ping the docs cores over the ML with a link to your spec | 17:25 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I think that we have more pressing matters than trying to figure out how launchpad works | 17:25 |
dguitarbite | RST content and branching is more important | 17:25 |
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dguitarbite | IMO | 17:25 |
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matjazp | dguitarbite: exactly | 17:25 |
sarob | okay guys | 17:25 |
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sarob | so what other work on branching do we have left | 17:26 |
dguitarbite | we just need to add the watermark and get some feedback from the docs team | 17:26 |
dguitarbite | rest of the work is done | 17:26 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: are you going to add the watermark as a patch, the spec as dependent | 17:27 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: i will remove my launchpad comment and figure out later | 17:28 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I think Ill add it to the existing patch in the review | 17:28 |
dguitarbite | pipeline | 17:28 |
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matjazp | talking about specs... are we still blocked by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133372/ for new specs? | 17:29 |
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sarob | matjazp: yes we are | 17:30 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: sarob it does not matter | 17:30 |
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dguitarbite | just push the patches | 17:30 |
dguitarbite | the code can be rebased and cherrypicked once ready to be merged | 17:30 |
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dguitarbite | create a folder kilo and add your spec file, just make sure that the file names are not conflicting with other patches in the review and it should be fine | 17:31 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: we dont need the index.rst file | 17:31 |
dguitarbite | sarob: as I said that can be figured out and fixed once the spec is reviewed, later on | 17:32 |
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sarob | dguitarbite: okay | 17:32 |
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dguitarbite | if any doubts, I have done the same | 17:32 |
dguitarbite | and people have reviewed the spec | 17:32 |
sarob | dguitarbite: its not a problem | 17:32 |
sarob | dguitarbite: i will switch my #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140109/ then | 17:33 |
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sarob | lets move to the next topic | 17:34 |
sarob | #topic kilo blueprints | 17:34 |
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sarob | since we kinda are already | 17:34 |
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sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides | 17:35 |
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sarob | from #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit | 17:35 |
sarob | the bottom of the etherpad | 17:35 |
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sarob | we selected a few blueprints that each of us want to work on | 17:36 |
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sarob | matjazp: i need two specs | 17:36 |
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matjazp | I want to change https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+spec/moodle-for-online-quizzes to smth more general... I work with Moodle every day and I'm not impressed. I would like to step back and get the feedback from the community about alternatives. If nothing better pops up, we use Moodle. | 17:36 |
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sarob | matjazp: okay, i create another and then push a spec linked to it | 17:37 |
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matjazp | ok... I'm wrinig a spec for "Online Assessment for Training Guides". Will create a BP then | 17:38 |
sarob | matjazp: bp is edited and here #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+spec/online-quizzes | 17:38 |
matjazp | ok | 17:39 |
sarob | cool | 17:39 |
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sarob | so dguitarbite: you have two bps | 17:39 |
sarob | plus the branch | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | sarob: yes, I think may be more than two bps | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | I do not know the numbers | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | but they will be proposed soonish | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | if all goes as planned before the new years | 17:40 |
sarob | kvm/libvert osbash support | 17:40 |
sarob | dguitarbite: cool thanks | 17:40 |
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sarob | matjazp, dguitarbite: think about which of M2 or M3 you can assign to the bp | 17:41 |
sarob | sign up for rather | 17:41 |
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sarob | sayali: you have two bp as well | 17:42 |
sarob | sayali: well maybe three | 17:42 |
sayali | yeah I will be helping dguitarbite with a few things and one of my own | 17:42 |
sayali | so 3 in all that I will be contributing to | 17:43 |
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sarob | color support for osbash and videos you will be primary? | 17:43 |
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sayali | yep | 17:43 |
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sarob | cool | 17:43 |
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sarob | sayali: can i get specs on these this week? | 17:44 |
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sarob | sayali: and an estimate of m2 or m3 as deadline | 17:44 |
sayali | sarob: yes I will be able to do it this week | 17:44 |
sarob | sayali: cool thx | 17:44 |
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sarob | there are a few others without signups | 17:45 |
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sarob | thats okay for now | 17:45 |
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sarob | i covered the third topic already | 17:45 |
MeganR | sarob: Shilla won't be able to make the meeting today - is there anything you want me to pass on to her? | 17:45 |
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sarob | meganr: she should comment on any specs for bp she has signed on for when they get pushed | 17:46 |
MeganR | ok, will do - thank you | 17:46 |
sarob | we have two last things | 17:46 |
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sarob | one of them has to do with shilla | 17:47 |
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sarob | #topic requirements for core reviewers | 17:47 |
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sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Core_Reviewer_Responsibilities | 17:48 |
sarob | i cleaned up the wiki page last week | 17:48 |
dguitarbite | sarob: it looks much better | 17:48 |
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sarob | along with that, core reviewers req were debated amonst the core reviewers | 17:49 |
rluethi | sarob: thanks. | 17:49 |
sarob | dguitarbite: thx | 17:49 |
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sarob | any questions on the core reviewer req | 17:50 |
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sarob | i dont think its very controversial | 17:50 |
sarob | pretty much the same as other groups | 17:50 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: I agree, if we all agree to the points, lets push them to a wiki page | 17:51 |
dguitarbite | for better documentation and then edit/update it as required in future | 17:51 |
sarob | dguitarbite: right | 17:51 |
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dguitarbite | rluethi: matjazp do we agree on the points? if not just post a comment on the ML | 17:52 |
matjazp | dguitarbite: I alredy commented on ML. I agree | 17:53 |
rluethi | dguitarbite: I think we are in agreement. | 17:53 |
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dguitarbite | :) | 17:53 |
sarob | so sayali and shilla have been discussed as new core reviewers | 17:53 |
sayali | cool! | 17:54 |
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dguitarbite | sayali: discussed not decided if I read sarob's comment properly | 17:54 |
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sayali | yep i know | 17:55 |
sarob | dguitarbite: yeah, we should discuss here | 17:55 |
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sarob | and i want to make sure that no one feels like its bad if they dont meet the bar for core reviewer yet | 17:55 |
dguitarbite | call for vote? | 17:56 |
sarob | just means we need something more | 17:56 |
sarob | dguitarbite: yes | 17:56 |
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sarob | member only cores should vote on this one | 17:56 |
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sarob | #startvote sayali as core reviewer | 17:57 |
openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:57 |
sarob | #startvote sayali as core reviewer? | 17:57 |
openstack | Begin voting on: sayali as core reviewer? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:57 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:57 |
sarob | Yes | 17:57 |
matjazp | #vote yes | 17:57 |
sarob | #vote yes | 17:57 |
dguitarbite | #vote yes | 17:58 |
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sarob | #showvote | 17:58 |
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sarob | #endvote | 17:58 |
openstack | Voted on "sayali as core reviewer?" Results are | 17:58 |
sarob | #startvote shilla as core reviewer? | 17:59 |
openstack | Begin voting on: shilla as core reviewer? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:59 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:59 |
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rluethi | #vote no | 18:00 |
sarob | #vote no | 18:00 |
matjazp | #vote no | 18:00 |
dguitarbite | #vote no | 18:01 |
sarob | #endvote | 18:01 |
openstack | Voted on "shilla as core reviewer?" Results are | 18:01 |
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sarob | okay i will reach out to shilla and discuss with her | 18:01 |
krtaylor | time | 18:01 |
sarob | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 18:01:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-15-17.00.html | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-15-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-12-15-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 18:01:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
mmedvede | o/ | 18:02 |
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asselin | o/ | 18:02 |
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sweston | o/ | 18:02 |
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luqas | o/ | 18:02 |
ameade_ | o/ | 18:02 |
akerr | o/ | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | Hi everyone! anyone else here for third-party meeting? | 18:02 |
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sarob | sorry about running long | 18:03 |
krtaylor | sarob, np, voting is important | 18:03 |
krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | we have another nice agenda today | 18:04 |
krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F15.2F14 | 18:04 |
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krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:04 |
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krtaylor | we didn't have any, that's easy | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | although I did take a note to email everyone to update their ThirdPartySystems status | 18:05 |
krtaylor | done | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | also none listed | 18:06 |
krtaylor | oops | 18:06 |
krtaylor | yes, the self service accounts! | 18:06 |
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krtaylor | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#creating-a-service-account | 18:06 |
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krtaylor | I'll prob leave that there for a few weeks, good to spread that around | 18:07 |
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krtaylor | any other announcements? | 18:07 |
krtaylor | onward then | 18:08 |
krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:08 |
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krtaylor | so the first is the CI doc rewrite | 18:08 |
krtaylor | I have seen a couple of comments on the etherpad | 18:08 |
krtaylor | I am hoping to see more, and if we can get enough interest, have a virtual sprint | 18:09 |
krtaylor | lik ethe one that infra did for infra manual, it was very successful IMO | 18:09 |
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krtaylor | the link to that etherpad is in the agenda | 18:09 |
krtaylor | but here it is again for completeness | 18:09 |
krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 18:10 |
krtaylor | if you want to help, please go sign up on the etherpad | 18:10 |
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krtaylor | any questions? | 18:10 |
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krtaylor | next is the spec for the third-party CI monitoring dashboard | 18:11 |
sweston | ok, so I have reworked the code to be more rest api oriented. | 18:11 |
krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170 | 18:11 |
krtaylor | sweston, great! | 18:11 |
sweston | jhesketh suggested a better design based on storyboard | 18:11 |
krtaylor | it is getting good feedback, could use more | 18:11 |
sweston | I have removed django completely. I am using pecan now for the controller, sqlalchemy for the database orm, and wsme for the rest api. | 18:12 |
sweston | I will post the updates to the spec today | 18:12 |
krtaylor | ok, interesting, I didnt have a problem with the framework | 18:12 |
krtaylor | sweston, thanks for taking the lead on this, so much appreciated | 18:12 |
sweston | krtaylor: very welcome | 18:13 |
sweston | yeah, there were some comments on django and celery | 18:13 |
sweston | much too heavyweight for this application | 18:13 |
krtaylor | for all: please go review the spec, it needs comments now for how your system will be represented on the dashboard | 18:13 |
krtaylor | now is the time to comment on how your system will be monitored | 18:14 |
sweston | yup | 18:14 |
krtaylor | anything else sweston? | 18:14 |
sweston | krtaylor: I am finished, thank you! | 18:15 |
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krtaylor | or any questions from anyone? | 18:15 |
krtaylor | excellent | 18:15 |
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krtaylor | so the next is a recurring item, for the next bit anyway | 18:16 |
krtaylor | splitting out puppet modules | 18:16 |
krtaylor | so there are 2 patches out for review | 18:16 |
krtaylor | that push everything at once | 18:16 |
krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140523/ | 18:17 |
krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140548/ | 18:17 |
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asselin | I'm in the process of updating those to remove the "TODOs" | 18:17 |
asselin | otherwise quite a few ppl expressed suport for the idea | 18:18 |
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sweston | also, the split script is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137991/ | 18:18 |
krtaylor | asselin, I like it, but it does remove the control of one at a time, until time of uncommenting | 18:18 |
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krtaylor | sweston, yes, thanks! | 18:19 |
sweston | asselin and I will be working on testing it this week. we ran out of time last week | 18:19 |
asselin | yes, it's a compromise, but should make the whole process more robust & with less effort | 18:20 |
krtaylor | mmedvede and I had discussed it a bit, I support the first patch, but not sure about the second | 18:20 |
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krtaylor | but the question is whether the discussion happens at insertion, or uncommenting, as long as it happens | 18:21 |
asselin | the plan is to do the discussion at uncommenting. | 18:21 |
krtaylor | anyway, another great place for CI operators to get involved, reviews please | 18:21 |
asselin | the other advantage is to do more in parallel/ avoid conflicts for updating the same file | 18:21 |
mmedvede | I had a few concerns about pushing everything at once. Mainly, it is not a work flow I am used to. It might be separating the change from its effect | 18:22 |
mmedvede | I support the direction. And it is just a concern, would be interesting to see how it works out in a long run | 18:23 |
asselin | all these changes are effectively no-ops | 18:23 |
krtaylor | yeah, I guess removal (instead of uncommenting) would also work if the discussion necessitated | 18:23 |
asselin | krtaylor, yes, the plan is to remove all the leftovers after we're 'done' | 18:24 |
krtaylor | but I understand mmedvede 's point, it would require 2 patches for removal | 18:24 |
krtaylor | asselin, is the idea to still have a infra "sponsor" that shepherds the patch through the discussion? | 18:24 |
asselin | krtaylor, yes, infra would sposore the uncommenting patch for project-config | 18:25 |
asselin | so the process doesn't change. Only the number of changes made per puppet-module is less & simpler | 18:26 |
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asselin | b/c the others have been pre-approved | 18:26 |
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krtaylor | sure, it is a good thing, my concern is a minor nit | 18:27 |
krtaylor | the more reviews the better | 18:28 |
krtaylor | ok, anything else on the split out? | 18:28 |
asselin | I'd like to know what ppl think of doing a mini split out sprint | 18:28 |
asselin | or better to spread out e.g 1-2 a week? | 18:29 |
krtaylor | good idea, with infra would make it less painful, get it done | 18:29 |
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mmedvede | asselin: I support that. But it depends if cores would be able to handle it :) | 18:30 |
krtaylor | else, it is an agenda item on a busy infra meeting | 18:30 |
krtaylor | exactly | 18:30 |
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asselin | yes, thinking about next week before the break, since maybe it'll be a quiet day. | 18:30 |
krtaylor | but, it is worth asking them | 18:30 |
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asselin | ok, will do. thank | 18:31 |
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krtaylor | anything else? any questions from anyone? | 18:31 |
mmedvede | The only thing is I am on vacation starting next week | 18:31 |
krtaylor | yeah, I'll be around, but infrequently | 18:32 |
mmedvede | so might not be able to as active for the sprint as I wanted to | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | asselin, maybe the next week, before new year? | 18:32 |
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asselin | I'm available | 18:33 |
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krtaylor | works for me, else after next week's meeting here, I'll be very high-latency | 18:33 |
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krtaylor | but a lot depends on when infra cores are available too | 18:34 |
krtaylor | so let's get that answered | 18:34 |
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asselin | I think we can move to next topic | 18:34 |
krtaylor | alright :) | 18:34 |
krtaylor | next is also yours asselin: In-tree Third Party CI Solution | 18:35 |
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asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139745/ | 18:35 |
krtaylor | I kept it here in the agenda, in case anyone has questions | 18:35 |
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asselin | would like some more reviews | 18:36 |
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asselin | didn't up date the spec, but was thinking of implmenting as new module inside system-config, and then split out later. | 18:36 |
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sweston | asselin: yup. I will review this week, been busy with the dashboard the last few days | 18:37 |
mmedvede | asselin: why split out later? | 18:37 |
mmedvede | and not start with split out right away? | 18:38 |
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asselin | I would like to, but seems simpler to do the work in-tree first | 18:38 |
asselin | b/c of the dependencies & changes requires to openstack_project module | 18:39 |
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asselin | required* | 18:39 |
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mmedvede | gotcha | 18:40 |
krtaylor | ok, everyone review please, I will too | 18:40 |
krtaylor | anything else asselin ? | 18:40 |
asselin | but if you've got ideas on how to build it, let me know. | 18:40 |
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asselin | that's it thanks | 18:40 |
krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:40 |
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krtaylor | I left the cinder statement here | 18:41 |
krtaylor | I hope by now that is not a surprise to anyone | 18:41 |
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krtaylor | the neutron mid-cycle was last week, I have not heard if there were any new testing deadlines established | 18:42 |
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krtaylor | anteaya, are you around, you were there right? | 18:43 |
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krtaylor | ok, well, I'll see if I can get neutron folks to comment on the mid-cycle, any impacts for CI test systems | 18:44 |
krtaylor | I have seen ironic comments about third-party testing, but nothing firm I am aware of | 18:44 |
krtaylor | any others? | 18:45 |
krtaylor | onward then | 18:45 |
krtaylor | 18:25:15 <krtaylor> | 18:45 |
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krtaylor | yep, cut/paste fail | 18:45 |
anteaya | third party didn't get mentioned at the neutron mid-cycle | 18:46 |
krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Third-Party CI Service | 18:46 |
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anteaya | talk to edgar for any neutron deadline issues or questions | 18:46 |
krtaylor | anteaya, ok, great thanks! | 18:46 |
anteaya | welcome | 18:46 |
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krtaylor | cool, so we didnt have a system scheduled for this week, I am going to start tapping shoulders for "volunteers" after the new year, all at Paris agreed to share their best practices | 18:47 |
sweston | krtaylor: +1 | 18:48 |
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krtaylor | it was amazing to hear what teams had done to work around bits, or improve this or that | 18:48 |
krtaylor | anyway, onward | 18:48 |
krtaylor | #topic CI System issues | 18:48 |
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krtaylor | any questions from systems having difficulty? | 18:49 |
krtaylor | any systems need review to turn voting on? | 18:49 |
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krtaylor | the ThirdPartySystems page did get refreshed | 18:50 |
krtaylor | which is goodness, but there are still systems indicating they are down | 18:50 |
krtaylor | or maybe not fully implemented yet | 18:51 |
krtaylor | so keep your eyes open for systems needing help or reviews | 18:51 |
krtaylor | alright, finally then | 18:52 |
krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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krtaylor | any questions, comments? | 18:52 |
asselin | I'd like a reminder why we're changing the meeting time | 18:52 |
krtaylor | Paris attendees indicated that they were not happy with the current time, almost all agreed | 18:53 |
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patrickeast | im curious about the new meetings too, are all 3 meetings covering the same topics? are they just duplicates to make it easier for everyone to attend? | 18:54 |
krtaylor | actually, I think the current time got us started, but it is time to serve our global team | 18:54 |
asselin | anteaya, do you object to changing times? I'm confused by the mailing list post.... | 18:55 |
krtaylor | we had an email discussion, the feedback was to have one weekly meeting, with times that alternate wekly | 18:55 |
krtaylor | weekly | 18:55 |
krtaylor | most other teams have a similar format | 18:55 |
reed | i think the meeting times are still in flux, there doesn't seem to be an agreement yet and the discussion will have to continue via email, irc, etc | 18:56 |
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krtaylor | reed, agreed | 18:56 |
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asselin | krtaylor, why is this time slot not kept, with an additional one added? | 18:56 |
krtaylor | patrickeast, do you have a preference? or do you like the current time? | 18:56 |
krtaylor | asselin, no one liked it, mainly that it was on Monday | 18:57 |
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krtaylor | at least I did not see any comment supporting it | 18:57 |
patrickeast | patrickeast: im ok will any of the times that were proposed, my schedule is flexable | 18:57 |
patrickeast | krtaylor: ^ | 18:57 |
krtaylor | patrickeast, great, thanks! | 18:57 |
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krtaylor | sweston created a poll, with the link in the email thread | 18:58 |
sweston | 2 minutes left | 18:58 |
krtaylor | 14 have voted so far | 18:58 |
krtaylor | sweston, do you have that link handy? | 18:58 |
sweston | krtaylor: yes, one second | 18:58 |
krtaylor | hehheh, race is on... | 18:59 |
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krtaylor | #link https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=21b93c | 18:59 |
sweston | https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=21b93c | 18:59 |
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krtaylor | cool! | 18:59 |
krtaylor | and with that, we are out of time | 19:00 |
sweston | krtaylor: you win the race :-) | 19:00 |
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krtaylor | thanks everyone for another productive meeting | 19:00 |
sweston | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
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asselin | thanks | 19:00 |
krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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sarob | #startmeeting ambassadors | 23:39 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 23:39:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:39 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:39 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ambassadors)" | 23:39 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ambassadors' | 23:39 |
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sarob | I met with Martin Kiss last Friday, 12 December, during the 18:00 GMT community office hours and this is what we discussed | 23:40 |
sarob | We should add meetbot to the community channel, so we can log meetings. | 23:41 |
sarob | This was modified to adding logging to the community channel and the ambassador meetings to the regular schedule of meetings, see #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141652/, #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#OpenStack_Ambassadors_Meeting , #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ambassadors | 23:41 |
sarob | Martin is fixing groups oath2 and logon issue | 23:41 |
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sarob | sarob wants to add region and user group attributes to speakers and ambassadors | 23:41 |
sarob | sarob thinks infra supporting Openstack profiles would help move things along better | 23:41 |
sarob | annegentle joined briefly and is concerned about privacy of user data | 23:41 |
sarob | Martin is working on meetup API support. Not sure of the priority | 23:41 |
sarob | sarob wants a resource for meeting notes as well | 23:41 |
sarob | We need to finalize the new group package and add recommended equipment | 23:41 |
sarob | sarob wants to add google hangout on air to scheduling tool | 23:41 |
sarob | sarob wants to use the official group process to increase group quality | 23:42 |
sarob | Objective of each member shows up to one event every few months | 23:42 |
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sarob | note martin was going by mrmartin during the meeting | 23:42 |
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sarob | #endmeeting | 23:42 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:42 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 23:42:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:42 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2014/ambassadors.2014-12-15-23.39.html | 23:42 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2014/ambassadors.2014-12-15-23.39.txt | 23:42 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ambassadors/2014/ambassadors.2014-12-15-23.39.log.html | 23:42 |
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