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| morganfainberg | oh really | 02:11 |
| morganfainberg | we're hanign in the meeting channel now? :) | 02:11 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting Heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 12:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:00 | |
| ryansb | \o | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 12:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | quiet as a mouse here :-) | 12:01 |
| rpothier | o/ | 12:01 |
| skraynev | \o_ | 12:01 |
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| asalkeld | no actions from last week | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic add items to the agenda | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "add items to the agenda (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:01 | |
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| skraynev | Have we some organization issues? Sessions are scheduled, so we look prepared to summit :) | 12:03 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, yeah all steam ahead for summit | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | shardy, you got anything? | 12:04 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Nothing that can't wait until next week that I can think of | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | any critical issues? | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic critical issues | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "critical issues (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:05 | |
| shardy | asalkeld: Only the tripleo broken updates, but that appears to be resolved by understanding the weird Port resource behavior | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | yeah, someone here really needs to spend some time at the neutron api session | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | they are designing their new api | 12:06 |
| shardy | I'll catch up with stevebaker on the ML and next week so we can work out a less broken way to proceed in the future | 12:06 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I may | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | cool | 12:06 |
| ryansb | Was the ML the full thread for that, or is there other info? | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | ryansb, i guess lots of info not there | 12:07 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1383709 | 12:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1383709 in tripleo "ResourceGroup count is causing increment on stack-update" [High,In progress] | 12:07 |
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| ryansb | shardy: thanks! | 12:07 |
| shardy | There's a link to the ML thread in the comments | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | we have had a lot of neutron api issues | 12:07 |
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| ryansb | yeah, I saw the ML thread, but didn't think it was the full story | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | ryansb, speak to zane and steveb about neurtron | 12:08 |
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| asalkeld | anyone getting to paris on sunday morning? | 12:09 |
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| asalkeld | (during the day) | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | #topic meetups at summit | 12:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetups at summit (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:09 | |
| rbowen | I'm getting there at 11:25, so, still morning. | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | :) | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | i get there at 7am | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | just in time for some pastry | 12:10 |
| ryansb | it's Paris. Isn't it *always* just in time for some pastry? | 12:10 |
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| shardy | ryansb: Here is some historical context: | 12:10 |
| shardy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032098.html | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | ok, well we can call this one done, unless you want to talk about neutron | 12:11 |
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| shardy | (on neutron, not pastry ;) | 12:11 |
| zaneb | o/ hey guys | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | yo zaneb nearly missed our meeting | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, got anything | 12:12 |
| shardy | 12 minutes, must be a record :) | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | yeah, people keen for summit | 12:12 |
| zaneb | not really | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | shardy, note we got the cross project session on upgrades | 12:13 |
| zaneb | I'll be in Paris on Friday btw | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | hopefully just dan talking about nova verisoned objects | 12:13 |
| shardy | asalkeld: great, I hadn't spotted that | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, I get there sunday early | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, any more work on convergence? | 12:14 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yes, actually, I've been making quite a lot of progress | 12:14 |
| zaneb | will push something today | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | i am hopeful we can get the whole thing "in" kilo | 12:15 |
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| asalkeld | instead of half assed | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | anyway power on | 12:15 |
| zaneb | although it appears that anant has a _completely_ different idea of how it will work than I do :/ | 12:15 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, have you chatted to him? | 12:15 |
| zaneb | tbh I think landing everything for Kilo is optimistic | 12:15 |
| zaneb | only via the review | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | it might be worth you g+/skyping | 12:16 |
| zaneb | time zones are awkward :/ | 12:16 |
| zaneb | my plan is to try implementing several ideas on branches | 12:16 |
| zaneb | maybe I will implement his proposal on a branch and see what I think of it | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | good idea | 12:17 |
| zaneb | but that won't happen before summit | 12:17 |
| zaneb | I need to get back to preparing my talk | 12:18 |
| zaneb | shardy: btw did you end up changing your flight? | 12:18 |
| shardy | oh yeah, the talk.. :) | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | doh | 12:18 |
| shardy | zaneb: No as Sunday flights look too expensive | 12:18 |
| shardy | I've got three hours to get from airport to venue though so I'm sure it'll be fine :) | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 12:19 | |
| shardy | Having spoken at some venues in Paris before I think it'll be fine provided my flight is on time | 12:19 |
| zaneb | fingers crossed then! | 12:19 |
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| shardy | heh, yeah ;) | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | enjoy the morning registration | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | is there still that project update talk? | 12:20 |
| zaneb | no they did away with those after Havana | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | cool | 12:21 |
| zaneb | you get to do a webinar in a few weeks instead | 12:21 |
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| asalkeld | that's ok | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | enough going on at summit already | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | i have 2 cross project sessions to do | 12:22 |
| zaneb | true, although it's nice to get in a room with users | 12:22 |
| zaneb | attendance at the webinar is usually ~10 | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:22 |
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| asalkeld | ok ... thinking of ending this | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | any objections? | 12:23 |
| zaneb | nope | 12:23 |
| skraynev | nothing:) | 12:23 |
| ryansb | nope | 12:23 |
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| asalkeld | o, we have not done anything with the mid cycle meetup | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | maybe lets figure that out at summit | 12:24 |
| skraynev | doh. | 12:24 |
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| zaneb | add that to the Friday agenda | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:24 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: if we do not forget +1 | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld to add midcycle meetup to friday dev session | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 12:25:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-29-12.00.html | 12:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-29-12.00.txt | 12:25 |
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| asalkeld | thanks all | 12:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-29-12.00.log.html | 12:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: matel: good afternoon | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows it looking these days? | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | Bad. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Very bad. | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Well, perhaps not 'very' bad, but certainly not good. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | It's currently down | 15:01 |
| matel | Hello, Good afternoon | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Two things happened | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats not good | 15:01 |
| BobBall | tempest-lib was added as a dependency | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | and pypi.openstack.org was retired :) | 15:02 |
| BobBall | We were using a clone of openstack-infra/config which has now been split into project-config and somethingelse-config | 15:02 |
| BobBall | but it referenced this obsolete pypi.openstack.org | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, so its that config fork we still have | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Anyway - that's hopefulyl fixed (matel? that right?) | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there a plan to get off the fork? | 15:03 |
| matel | Yes, it's fixed, I was able to do a test run | 15:03 |
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| matel | I just need to ask someone from infra to enable our account | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Well, we did get off the fork... temporarily | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | but we had to go back on a new fork to avoid using -infra's region specific pypi.openstack.org | 15:04 |
| matel | We have two modifications that are needed to get off the fork. | 15:04 |
| BobBall | because they have asked that we don't use it | 15:04 |
| matel | Let me find them | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Are they things that have been proposed upstream? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting | 15:05 |
| matel | See the top 2 commits here: https://github.com/citrix-openstack/project-config/commits/xenserver-ci | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I assume we could just override stuff, rather than fork, or is that too simplictic | 15:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy looking... | 15:05 | |
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| matel | The one on the top is a hack, we will need to find a proper solution for that. | 15:05 |
| BobBall | A bit too simplistic unfortunately | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I wonder if that hack can just be moved to the prepare_node_xenserver script matel ? | 15:05 |
| BobBall | that would be a little less hacky | 15:06 |
| BobBall | (but still a hack of coursE) | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: yeah, I see that now | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but our own modules that import the upstream, then add a few bits, should work right? | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | What do you mean? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | try and dynamically rebase on upstream config each day? | 15:07 |
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| matel | I think john wanted to do some clever override at the puppet level | 15:08 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:08 |
| BobBall | is that set by a puppet module? | 15:08 |
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| matel | The contents are defined in a puppet manifest | 15:10 |
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| matel | TBH I would rather add it as a parameter, but maybe it's because I'm not the biggest puppet wizzard | 15:11 |
| BobBall | ah I see | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | might be able to override, but I don't remember the details now | 15:11 |
| BobBall | understood | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | It's frustrating that we have to use upstream's config | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, they might take a patch to make our life easy, since they requested it | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, doing our own thing, is that going to be worse? | 15:12 |
| matel | I don't quite get what you mean here. | 15:12 |
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| clarkb | BobBallyou have to? | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats my question | 15:14 |
| clarkb | so the way we do it is have nodepool update the pypi settings on boot | 15:14 |
| BobBall | clarkb: we're using nodepool and all of the scripts that set up the node ready for devstack-gate are in the config repo | 15:14 |
| matel | #johnthetubaguy: I think upstreaming the stuff makes more sense than running our own. | 15:14 |
| clarkb | because they are per region | 15:14 |
| BobBall | oh - yes, that's a nice idea | 15:14 |
| clarkb | so you could do similar | 15:14 |
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| matel | that would mean that the dodgy patch can go away. | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like a plan | 15:15 |
| matel | And we could go upstream | 15:15 |
| BobBall | Indeed. Using upstream directly is the best plan. Otherwise we stay in rebase hell. | 15:15 |
| clarkb | its in the ready script iirc | 15:15 |
| BobBall | OK, let's try that. Thanks clarkb. | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action matel to look at getting rid of dodgy patch to get off the config fork | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so any more? | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like thats the big things covered | 15:15 |
| BobBall | Uhhh - yes | 15:16 |
| matel | We'll also need the patch to be merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131438/ | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Well, we need to figure out why we can't authenticate with gerrit any more | 15:16 |
| BobBall | We've just been waiting for a critical mass of the -infra folk to wake up :) | 15:16 |
| matel | BobBall: It's been disabled. | 15:16 |
| BobBall | The account? | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Normally disabling just removes the account from the voting group | 15:16 |
| matel | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/third-party-announce/2014-October/000084.html | 15:17 |
| matel | Yeah, but the second read revealed that the acc is disabled. | 15:17 |
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| matel | "temporarily disabled the Citrix XenServer CI account" | 15:17 |
| matel | clarkb will enable the account soon. | 15:17 |
| BobBall | ah - perfect. | 15:17 |
| matel | So hopefully it's gonna work. | 15:17 |
| BobBall | We've disabled it voting for now, right? so we won't be -1'ing until we're sure it's all fixed? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool | 15:18 |
| matel | As the patch is merged, and we have a way to update pip.conf, we could go upstream. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so how long have we been down hunting this stuff? | 15:18 |
| matel | BobBall: let me check | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Since Sunday(?) | 15:18 |
| matel | VOTE=False | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we should probably automatically stop voting after a certain threshold of fails? | 15:19 |
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| BobBall | That'd be a nice feature, yeah | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | something for a later date, obviously | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, thats two big things, how were we looking before the big fail? | 15:19 |
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| BobBall | I think we were looking very good | 15:20 |
| BobBall | i.e. no difference from last week. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more on CI? | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | been digging around memory overheads again, but not much else to report | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | memory overheads are fun... | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking to report xen + dom0 + compute vm usage, so its not being "guessed" by a config variable | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out you can regular screw that up | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:23 |
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| matel | nope | 15:23 |
| BobBall | Sure | 15:23 |
| BobBall | just in case you hadn't realised | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: matel: thanks for the fire fighting, hope the end of the tunnel is not too far way | 15:23 |
| BobBall | Citrix have a netscaler booth at the summit | 15:23 |
| BobBall | So I'll probably hang around there a bit too | 15:23 |
| BobBall | and we'll be giving out XenServer Creedence t-shirts | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I will be in the summit session, which I think is in a different hotel | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Which, I have to say, are made of some rather nice fabric! | 15:24 |
| BobBall | I hope it's very close to the expo hall though? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, I will try do a bit of booth happy hour time, assuming I don't get dragged in a different direction | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | across the road I think | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | like totally different hotel, but I am not 100% sure | 15:25 |
| BobBall | We'll see how it works out. | 15:25 |
| BobBall | BTW - if you want a laugh... I forgot to book a hotel. | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Had to find something on Friday last week... Not a hotel room in miles. | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | So I've had to book an apartment! | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | so anyways, BobBall see you in paris | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we cancel next weeks meeting? | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | resume the week after? | 15:26 |
| BobBall | Yup | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info no meeting next week, due to the summit | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy fixing | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 15:27:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-29-15.00.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-29-15.00.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-29-15.00.log.html | 15:27 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 16:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | Hello all | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | Agenda items for today: | 16:00 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #topic Discuss the brick spec/effort for Kilo | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss the brick spec/effort for Kilo (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129069/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | hemna: you're up | 16:01 |
| avishay | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:01 |
| hemna | ok so Brick | 16:01 |
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| thangp | o/ | 16:01 |
| hemna | I liked eharney's suggestion of making brick a subproject of Cinder | 16:01 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:01 |
| hemna | a la python-cinderclient | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:01 |
| hemna | so cinder PTL is the PTL of brick and cinder core's are cores of brick. | 16:01 |
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| ameade | +1 | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense to me. | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT- | +1 | 16:02 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee so not to throw a major wrench in the works.... | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | +1 | 16:02 |
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| winston-d | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | but I still am not sure brick is going the right direction here | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT- | Can you outline the direction you think it should go in, John? | 16:03 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think the general idea of accepting brick if it goes in a direction we can agree on the summit, hemna's proposal is fine | 16:03 |
| asselin | hi | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: thingee hemna https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderBrick | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | fair enough | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | ignore me :) | 16:03 |
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| hemna | I still want to see brick exist as a lib. simply to help remove the dupe code between Cinder and Nova. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's easy to say :) | 16:04 |
| thingee | jgriffith: but it would be helpful for you to raise these points to hemna outside of the meeting so that he can have things in a better state for his summit session | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: my point is it's weird | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee it's weird to have iscsi stuff and LVM stuff in a lib | 16:04 |
| hemna | why is removing duplicate code 'weird' ? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | and not touch anything we hoped to accomplish | 16:04 |
| hemna | but that's just part of the lib. | 16:04 |
| hemna | the other side still needs effort and work from folks. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | hemna: IMHO eliminating dup target/initiator code can be done another way | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | hemna: as can duplicate LVM code | 16:05 |
| hemna | just like everything else we do in OpenStack....baby steps | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | but I keep pointing out that the LVM code as is today likely won't be consumable by anybody else | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I'll shut up :) | 16:05 |
| hemna | so I say then, help contribute the local volume management into brick and we're good. | 16:05 |
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| hemna | I don't know that side of the code quite as well as you do, so I'm hoping to get help from you and the rest of Cinder to drive that piece of it. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but then you've got 4 disjointed things under that umbrella | 16:06 |
| * jgriffith NOW shuts up | 16:06 | |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:06 |
| hemna | which is why I think it's good to be owned as a subproject of Cinder. | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, I'm down with that, but that's sort of not the point I'm trying to make | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | anyway | 16:07 |
| hemna | ok I'm still trying to understand your point I guess. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Would it be better to have multiple specific libs? | 16:07 |
| hemna | I'm completely missing it. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'm the only one with anything to say so let's talk next week :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: probably... and probably consider oslo for *some* of it | 16:08 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I find the whole brick thing frustrating. Mainly because I feel like anytime work that is not done by you, you're unhappy with the direction. To be fair I know you're unhappy with the current state of brick, but I think it would be valuable for you to help hemna. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: wow! | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ok | 16:08 |
| hemna | I'd like to see this move forward, so we don't have yet another release where nothing happens. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | as I said, feel free to move forward | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | I'll be quiet | 16:09 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: that does us no good. | 16:09 |
| rushiagr | hi! Sorry, late | 16:09 |
| thingee | jgriffith: what are your objections with giving guidance? | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I thnk you and I should talk offline | 16:09 |
| hemna | ? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | and move along | 16:10 |
| thingee | #agreed if brick's direction is accepted, it'll be a subproject under cinder like cinderclient | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | and not regarding brick itself, but your statement just for the record | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | +1 | 16:11 |
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| thingee | #topic Discuss the volume type extra specs cinder-spec | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | thingee: +1 | 16:11 |
| hemna | ok so the extra specs thing | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | +1 | 16:11 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127646/ | 16:11 |
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| hemna | I think it might be worth talking about this in a session ? | 16:11 |
| hemna | my coworker and I have been hashing on this one for a while | 16:12 |
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| hemna | she's done a great job on the specs and has some screen shots of what we'd like to see | 16:12 |
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| hemna | I can show them in Paris if anyone is interested | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: am I incorrect that we shouldn't roll up 3 specs in one proposal? | 16:12 |
| winston-d | hemna: I am. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: if so I can remove my -2 | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I agree that splitting them makes things easier to comment on and move forward in pieces | 16:13 |
| hemna | I know winston-d has had some questions about the implementation, and I'd like to get some clarity on it | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | oh wait... already done... sort of | 16:13 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I believe she split the specs up into 3 specs already | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT- | hemna: Any chance of getting them online or emailed before hand? Easier to think ahead than see subtle issues while thinging on your feet | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, that's what I just noticed :) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thanks! | 16:14 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, sure. I have a .ppt that she made that I can put somewhere | 16:14 |
| winston-d | hemna: you will be work on cinder part and Julie focuses on Horizon I guess? | 16:14 |
| hemna | or just put the screens on a site for all to see. | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: Cheers | 16:14 |
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| hemna | winston-d, I'll probably end up doing a bunch of the Cinder work | 16:14 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: yeah seems fine to me. | 16:14 |
| hemna | jgriffith, np | 16:14 |
| hemna | ok, so I'll get those screenshots up before I bail for Paris | 16:15 |
| winston-d | hemna: +1,thx | 16:15 |
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| thingee | #topic Discuss the differential backup patch | 16:15 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110068/ | 16:16 |
| thingee | Murali: you're up | 16:16 |
| Murali | yes | 16:16 |
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| Murali | Thanks Mike. | 16:16 |
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| Murali | I heard couple of concerns on the specs and implementation. | 16:16 |
| Murali | if the design is expandable later for incremental | 16:16 |
| Murali | and the driver interface to support differential | 16:17 |
| Murali | I would like to know any other concerns. | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | Can you quickly define the two terms please? 'deferential .v. incremental' | 16:17 |
| thingee | interview question | 16:17 |
| Murali | Incremental is the delta from last backup | 16:17 |
| Murali | differential is delta from last full backup. | 16:17 |
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| hemna | thingee, :) | 16:18 |
| Murali | right now the implementation is for differential. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | Thanks | 16:18 |
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| Murali | Right now the implementation uses local_path to get host path to the snapshot. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Murali: Could you summarize the concerns with the spec or what is needed to proceed? | 16:19 |
| thingee | Murali: I have not looked at the patch myself, so I will have to look to hemna DuncanT- eharney and xyang1 for thoughts | 16:19 |
| Murali | that is good for LVM, but does not work for other backups. | 16:20 |
| DuncanT- | local_path doesn't work for any of the iSCSI drivers | 16:20 |
| eharney | i haven't looked at this one in a bit but i'm certainly interested in reviewing it further | 16:20 |
| Murali | This is something I need to look into. Duncan/Xing has some suggestions. | 16:20 |
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| Murali | create a hidden volume from a snapshot and read the volume to calculate delta. | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | It also ties teh backup service to the cinder-volume service, which I'm trying to fix (fix is only needed for the LVM code, the rest already work AFAICT) | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | as long as Murali can explain the current design doesn't prevent it to be extended to support incremental, I'm fine with it | 16:21 |
| Murali | xing1: I will do that. | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | Duncan't concern about local_path needs to be addressed as well | 16:21 |
| Murali | ok. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | It looks to me that the data structures are all good for incremental - the management code will need to be smarter for incremental, particularly delete, but that is only code and we have smart people | 16:22 |
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| thingee | #agreed differential backups needs to have a path to extend to incremental | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | so if the base driver do a create volume from snapshot and use local_path only in L | 16:22 |
| eharney | yes, i think changing from "full backup id" to "parent id" etc. fixed most of my concerns around there at the basic level | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | only in LVM driver | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | that's kind of what Duncan suggested, I think. that seems to be fine | 16:23 |
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| thingee | Murali: I'll try to take a look at this week before travels. | 16:23 |
| thingee | Murali: thank you for working on this | 16:24 |
| Murali | thanks a lot. | 16:24 |
| Murali | no problem. | 16:24 |
| thingee | and everyone for helping | 16:24 |
| winston-d | Murali: question about your definition: 1st full backup, in your def, 2nd backup = delta diff to 1st, what about 3rd backup? 3rd will be delta against 1st as well? | 16:24 |
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| Murali | 3rd will be delta from 1st | 16:24 |
| winston-d | Murali: I see, thx. | 16:25 |
| thingee | #topic Discuss Updating Third Party Wiki | 16:25 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers | 16:25 |
| thingee | patrickeast: hi! | 16:25 |
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| patrickeast | hey, so first off, thanks for updating the requirements on that page thingee | 16:26 |
| thingee | so from a previous meeting | 16:26 |
| thingee | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-15-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | the only piece of that remaining that i was wondering about is what we wanted to do for drivers added in Juno | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | since the table w/ bugs is labeled for icehouse | 16:26 |
| thingee | patrickeast: yeah honestly I did it *after* I saw your agenda item :) | 16:26 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: good point, I need to update that too. | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | and i guess whether or not we are still doing the bug thing if we have a CI up and running | 16:27 |
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| patrickeast | do we just link to ci results or... | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | I think there's no point doing the bug thing when you have CI - that's the point of CI | 16:27 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:27 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:28 |
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| thingee | my only main concern with CI's though is there's still not a good solution for vendors. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | thingee? | 16:28 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | What do you mean? | 16:28 |
| hemna | thingee, it is getting better though | 16:28 |
| hemna | but slowly | 16:29 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: there's still not a reliable way to get a ci system running. Last I spoke about this, I found using asselin puppet stuff not 100%. I have been talking to him though | 16:29 |
| asselin | yes, I'm working to get the solution into -infra | 16:29 |
| asselin | there's been lot's of upstream changes lately, so stability is not there | 16:30 |
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| asselin | I think once we get a solution in -infra it will be more stable and easier for everyone to use | 16:30 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Hopefully every vendor who sets one up will help smooth the process. I've no problem at all streading a bit of the pain to vendors, hopefully it provides some motivation to fix things - this has worked well so far | 16:30 |
| thingee | I don't know if it makes sense, but maybe instead of vendors getting frustrated with trying to setup their own ci, maybe put that energy to helping asselin and co | 16:30 |
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| asselin | and then any changes that would 'break' 3rd party ci, might get caught at the gate. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | sigh | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | maybe duplicating the OpenStack Infra isn't the best answer | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Taht seems the logical solution to me, but then getting any vendor to talk about their CI experiences initially was like pull teeth. | 16:32 |
| thingee | jgriffith: that's true. I know you had a working solution that was much simpler. | 16:32 |
| asselin | I would rather call it, re-using | 16:32 |
| hemna | asselin, +1 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, the problem is there are "lots" of little one offs like mine out there | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Frankly I don't /care/ which route they take, though I try to guide them into cooperating | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: which is bad as well | 16:32 |
| bswartz | DuncanT's KISS CI gets my vote | 16:32 |
| asselin | right now, it's duplicating, and since we're out of tree, it's painful | 16:33 |
| asselin | infra's interested b/c then one solution can benefit all of openstack projects/programs | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: CI /will not happen/ unless there is a forcing function, and while I'm entirely flexible as to how that forcing function works, backing off until somebody has doen all the work for them does not put pressure on anybody to find the resources to do the work | 16:33 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I can agree with that | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: Use jgriffith's fork, he's way ahead of me now | 16:34 |
| bswartz | link? | 16:34 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee, DuncanT : Also while dicussing last week there was an idea for a seperate CI pipeline for projects which can have an impact but are still WIP do we have any plan regarding that ? | 16:34 |
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| DuncanT- | bswartz: Give me 5 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: https://github.com/j-griffith/sos-ci | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | probably needs a refresh, I'll have a look later this morning | 16:35 |
| bswartz | "sort of simple" I love it | 16:35 |
| thingee | patrickeast: to answer the original point of this topic, I will update the wiki | 16:35 |
| DuncanT- | Suggestions about making something like kiss-ci a more official option resulted in some very rude comments from -infra team members | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I've added some things for multiple nics etc | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | thingee: haha thx | 16:35 |
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| patrickeast | and so to make sure i understand, for my driver that landed in Juno since we have CI we don't need to put up an updated bug w/ test results? | 16:36 |
| thingee | patrickeast: you're golden as far as I'm concerned | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | kk | 16:37 |
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| thingee | #topic Project suggestions for OpenStack OPW | 16:37 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen/Ideas | 16:37 |
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| thingee | I have listed myself as a mentor for the Gnome Outreach program for women. OpenStack has been doing this since 2012 and it would be great to have other members of cinder that have time to give guidance. | 16:38 |
| thingee | signup for mentor is in that link | 16:38 |
| thingee | but mainly it would be great if people have ideas of cinder projects that would be good for someone participating for the few months | 16:38 |
| thingee | to later present their work at the next next summit | 16:39 |
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| * DuncanT- has some gate ideas, nothing cinder specific ATM | 16:39 | |
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| thingee | even if you don't want to spend the time to add a project to the wiki page and know of some new enhancements to cinder, just ping me and I'll take care of it | 16:40 |
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| thingee | just would appreciate people being mindful of ideas that we would like to see happen this release that would be good canididates for the short time we can work with someone. | 16:40 |
| thingee | #topic Liaison for Cinder third party CI | 16:40 |
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| kmartin | asselin: ^^ :) | 16:41 |
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| thingee | #idea have a cinder liaison to help in #openstack-infra channel and ML with ci questions relating to storage | 16:41 |
| thingee | so anteaya and co have to deal with all projects in ci systems. If we want ci systems there has to be someone that can handle block storage cis. | 16:42 |
| asselin | also, to help identify ci systems that need to be disabled | 16:42 |
| thingee | asselin: yes was just going to get to that | 16:42 |
| thingee | on the infra ML, it's mostly guessing work on whether to reenable. | 16:43 |
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| thingee | so I thought this would be great for people who already have their ci setup to participate | 16:44 |
| thingee | patrickeast, xyang1 ^ | 16:44 |
| xyang1 | thingee: I can help of course, I think asselin has the most knowledge | 16:44 |
| asselin | I can help with ci questions | 16:45 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-? | 16:45 |
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| patrickeast | i'm game to help out, i agree though that asselin would be best for the liaison role | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | One thing that would make a difference I think is for the XXX has been disabled mails on the list to be flagged with what project(s) they CI for, so that I can filter - I follow the list occasionally but it is hard to tell what is relevant | 16:45 |
| asselin | I think -infra wanted a core? member to decide which to enable/disable in case of issues | 16:45 |
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| thingee | I instantly thought about asselin, but I was concerned about this distracting with the important infra work you're already doing | 16:45 |
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| * DuncanT- can do it, but I'm not currently running a CI system | 16:46 | |
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| thingee | DuncanT-: not a requirement, but if you want to watch the lists that's fine. | 16:46 |
| kmartin | DuncanT- your company is | 16:46 |
| asselin | I can help with ci setup and watching the mailing list. | 16:46 |
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| asselin | I'm not actively monitoring the results of other ci-systems however. | 16:47 |
| thingee | yeah so that's important I think for disable/renable | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: I've been somewhat defacto ddoing the job to a degree since anteaya pokes me from time to time, might as well put my name on it if nobody else is suitable. I can work with asselin just fine | 16:47 |
| hemna | it sure would be nice to have a health meter of 3rd party Cinder CI's | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | I want to script some CI monitoring and dashboard, so moving that up my priorities is fine | 16:48 |
| hemna | like that one page we saw in Ft. Collins with the graphs | 16:48 |
| thingee | How about DuncanT- watches the list, and asselin you can help in #openstack-infra? | 16:48 |
| hemna | that was cool | 16:48 |
| asselin | yes, there's going to be discussions on monitoring third party ci at the summit | 16:48 |
| hemna | I think anteaya had that link previously | 16:48 |
| thingee | I think whoever handles disable/enable should have somewhat of a history of the ci from gerrit's standpoint | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:48 |
| asselin | thingee, I can do that | 16:48 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: is that fine? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'd propose a dashboard as the single version of truth | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | Fine by me, yeah | 16:49 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I'll code it, you can tell me what I got wrong ;-) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, anteaya showwed that and personally I think it's the way to go | 16:49 |
| hemna | CI's break all the time as of no fault of the infrastructure and or upstream patches. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: awesome! | 16:49 |
| asselin | #link third party summit etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 16:49 |
| thingee | #agreed DuncanT- will handle the openstack infra ML for reenable/disable CI | asselin will help for block storage ci's in #openstack-infra | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT- | By code I quite possibly mean 'steal', like all the great artists | 16:50 |
| hemna | jgriffith, agreed. that dashboard was great. | 16:50 |
| thingee | #topic New Drivers deadline in Kilo | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: of course, you'd be a fool not to do it that way :) | 16:50 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, whatever it takes brother :) | 16:50 |
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| thingee | Per DuncanT-'s email earlier to the list about only accepting drivers in k-1 | 16:51 |
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| thingee | I would like to do a cut off of accepting new bps and in general cutting off new drivers being proposed in K-1 | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT- was K-1 a made decision? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ahh... yeah, ok | 16:51 |
| rhe00 | how do I get my driver on the review list for K-1? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | proposals in K-1 | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: That's what we said in FC | 16:51 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yeah I don't have the links handy, it was in some previous meeting and then brought up on the ML | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | rhe00: Post the code! | 16:52 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: yeah, thought so but there's been miscom on a number fo things so wanted to clarify | 16:52 |
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| bswartz | does that mean that new drivers have to be proposed but not merged by K-1? | 16:52 |
| xyang1 | thingee: is 12/18 the drop dead date? | 16:52 |
| hemna | rhe00, yah, get the code in gerrit as soon as you can. even if it's WIP. | 16:52 |
| rhe00 | DuncanT: it was posted before Juno | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | wording there sounded like "submission" not proposal | 16:52 |
| thingee | xyang1: I just mean proposals. an intent to submit a new driver | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | important distinction IMO | 16:52 |
| DuncanT- | rhe00: Ah, poke some people for reviews then, including me | 16:52 |
| rhe00 | just want to make sure it is marked correctly so it isn's overlooked | 16:52 |
| xyang1 | thingee: what about driver code submission date? | 16:53 |
| * DuncanT- would like code up before K1... | 16:53 | |
| * jgriffith would propose close of K2 for submitted patches | 16:53 | |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:53 |
| thingee | #idea deadline to accept new driver blueprints for Kilo ends Nov 7th | 16:53 |
| DuncanT- | 'Intent' is easy... Vaguely working code is harder, and long running driver reviews suck up lots of time | 16:53 |
| bswartz | and is there are cutoff for merging new drivers? depending on how slow the author and reviewers are, the review/update cycle can take weeks for a driver to go from submitted to merged | 16:53 |
| xyang1 | if it is close to K2, then that is similar to Juno? | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | I'd say aim to merge before K2 | 16:54 |
| thingee | If we're following our previous discussion, we would want the code merged in k-1 | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I'm down with that | 16:54 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:54 |
| thingee | but the code needs to be in k-1 | 16:54 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: thingee TBC... you're saying merged BEFORE k-2 opens up? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | ie last items for K-1? | 16:55 |
| eharney | this is getting kind of confusing | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | eharney: +1 | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | eharney: indeed | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | I''m confused | 16:55 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I don't think we can manage that, sadly | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I don't either | 16:55 |
| thingee | let me try this again | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: that's why I called i tout | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT- | I think code up before K1, merged before (end of) K2 | 16:55 |
| thingee | blueprint deadline Nov 7th, code should be in gerrit by K-1 | 16:56 |
| DuncanT- | With the first being a hard cutoff | 16:56 |
| xyang1 | I thought the original plan was to get driver code submitted by K-1 | 16:56 |
| eharney | i thought we weren't doing blueprints/specs for new drivers anyway | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ummm... that might not bfly | 16:56 |
| thingee | jgriffith: not sure what bfly is | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: hehe... "fly" | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you might want to give some amount of time after communicating the policy at the summit | 16:57 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok | 16:57 |
| xyang1 | eharney: I thought at least not spec | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | eharney: no specs, but still need bps IMO | 16:57 |
| thingee | fine Nov 15 for bp deadline | 16:57 |
| thingee | for k-1 | 16:57 |
| thingee | and k-1 is the only time to get drivers in | 16:57 |
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| xyang1 | thingee: so bp 11/15, code submission 12/18? | 16:57 |
| thingee | yes | 16:58 |
| xyang1 | thingee: thanks | 16:58 |
| eharney | er | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | sold! | 16:58 |
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| eharney | 12/18 submission or merged in | 16:58 |
| hemna | xyang1, +1 | 16:58 |
| eharney | 12/18 is k-1 | 16:58 |
| DuncanT- | eharney: Submission | 16:58 |
| thingee | eharney: submitted | 16:58 |
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| eharney | ok | 16:58 |
| bswartz | code submitted by 12/17 won't be merged by 12/18 | 16:58 |
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| bswartz | any deadline for merge? or is that fuzzy? | 16:59 |
| thingee | submitted just means posted to gerrit not merged | 16:59 |
| xyang1 | is there a driver code merge deadline? | 16:59 |
| eharney | thingee: can we cover any non-driver blueprints/specs deadlines so we're all on the same page there too? | 16:59 |
| xyang1 | Ki-2? | 16:59 |
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| thingee | ok I'll send this to the list replying to duncan's original email | 16:59 |
| xyang1 | k-2 | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | hey... can we just say: | 16:59 |
| thingee | this includes bp/specs for k-1 | 16:59 |
| thingee | they should be submitted to k-2 or k-3 | 16:59 |
| thingee | for non-drivers | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | We will not accept any driver/code *submissions* after 12/17 | 16:59 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 17:00:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-29-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-29-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | oh | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-29-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | ok then | 17:00 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 17:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | Bonjour | 17:00 |
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| tjones | Bonjour!! | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | this is one of the five words that I know in french | 17:01 |
| tjones | we could hold this meeting in french but i would only be able to say a few words | 17:01 |
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| tjones | parles vou angleas (pardon my spelling) | 17:01 |
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| tjones | my 1 sentence | 17:01 |
| tjones | good thing arnaud is not here yet | 17:01 |
| rgerganov | lol | 17:02 |
| tjones | so only 3 of us today? | 17:02 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:02 |
| rgerganov | gary is lurking | 17:02 |
| rgerganov | I will ping him | 17:02 |
| tflower | o/ | 17:02 |
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| tjones | hi thangp and tflower. will we see you in person next week? | 17:02 |
| garyk | hi | 17:02 |
| mateescu | o/ | 17:02 |
| thangp | yes | 17:03 |
| tjones | hi mateescu too | 17:03 |
| tflower | Hi, unfortunately no :( | 17:03 |
| tjones | ok lets get started (bummer tflower) | 17:03 |
| thangp | looking forward to some french toast :) | 17:03 |
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| tjones | and pomme frittes! | 17:03 |
| * mdbooth_ waves | 17:03 | |
| tjones | #topic BP | 17:03 |
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| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:03 |
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| tflower | Dims will be there and let me know about all the croissants I'm missing | 17:03 |
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| tjones | so specs under review is in that link | 17:04 |
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| tjones | rado im really excited about the console/vnc changes you are proposing. | 17:04 |
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| rgerganov | tjones: thanks, I will try to reach agreement with the core team about the API | 17:04 |
| tjones | will you take some time to speak with jogo and johnthetubaguy about their ideas? | 17:04 |
| mdbooth_ | That's in danger of scope creep | 17:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | can I help? | 17:05 |
| tjones | this is a really important improvement cause our vnc is completely bad | 17:05 |
| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: this is about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127283/ | 17:05 |
| tjones | johnthetubaguy: i was hoping than rgerganov can connect with you about ^^ | 17:05 |
| tjones | next week | 17:05 |
| rgerganov | yeah, we can discuss in person at the summit | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you want an unconference slot? | 17:06 |
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| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: not really sure what this is :) | 17:06 |
| rgerganov | tjones: are we going to have a VMW slot at the design summit? | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: basically 10 mins to pitch your idea and discuss with everone | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | like the last summit | 17:07 |
| mdbooth_ | Hopefully only needs 30 minutes max with the right people | 17:07 |
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| jogo | so I disagree about scope creep, I think that is the wrong concern | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: we ditched those, so unconference the bits you want people to talk about | 17:07 |
| tjones | rgerganov: im hoping we do on friday. it's not part of the official schedule this time - | 17:07 |
| jogo | I think these should be two blueprints though | 17:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: yeah, its more "fix the api", extent the "api" | 17:08 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: yup | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | bad api stuff is very expensive to fix | 17:08 |
| jogo | and it just gets more expensive later | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry if you get stuck with extra work, its just a case of it being the third thing, and we spot a pattern that needs fixing | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its our bad for not spotting the previous addition | 17:09 |
| tjones | so sounds like we need an unconference slot for this. How do we go abuot getting one? | 17:09 |
| jogo | yup | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | addition(s) | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just added you: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-unconference | 17:09 |
| tjones | thanks! | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | ok, great | 17:09 |
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| tjones | ok lets move to the next one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126866/ | 17:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we might have to vote about what to cover | 17:10 |
| tjones | kanagaraj is not here | 17:10 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128691/ | 17:11 |
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| tjones | tflower: did you rebase as jogo recommended? | 17:11 |
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| tflower | tjones, yes I rebased | 17:11 |
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| tflower | I don't actually see the ova support blueprint in the list | 17:11 |
| tjones | thanks - guys we need more reviews on this - only jogo has reviewed it. | 17:11 |
| tflower | and mine depends on it | 17:12 |
| tjones | that has merged | 17:12 |
| tjones | it is accepted | 17:12 |
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| tjones | these are the unaccepted specs | 17:12 |
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| tjones | can people here take some time this week to review this BP? | 17:12 |
| tflower | ah, so the other one is already accepted | 17:12 |
| tjones | spec | 17:12 |
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| tjones | the last one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128697/ is blocked on a cinder spec | 17:13 |
| mateescu | tjones: that's correct | 17:13 |
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| tjones | but also needs more eyes from this team | 17:14 |
| mateescu | I got a few comments from Duncan about the minimum interface a cinder driver should implement | 17:14 |
| mateescu | looks like VMware RDM does not support extending disks though, according to Vipin | 17:14 |
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| tjones | is there another way to do it? | 17:15 |
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| mateescu | tjones:by getting down to the underlying storage protocol (FC or iSCSi) | 17:15 |
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| mateescu | but my proposal was trying to avoid exactly that and use the VMware abstractions for RDM, regardless of th eprotocol | 17:16 |
| tjones | ok so it looks like you have some work to do there before the nova spec is likely to land. Just trying to prioritize people's time | 17:16 |
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| mateescu | I need to look up more and see if there's any other way to achieve this while still keeping it protocol agnostic | 17:17 |
| tjones | anything else about *unapproved* specs? | 17:17 |
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| rgerganov | I have a blueprint for implementing console logs | 17:17 |
| rgerganov | but I think that it doesn't need a spec | 17:17 |
| tjones | oh - i am confused about what does and does not need a spec | 17:18 |
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| rgerganov | there was a wiki page about this | 17:18 |
| rgerganov | sec. | 17:18 |
| tjones | i'll educate myself after this meeting | 17:18 |
| rgerganov | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/kilo.blueprints.html#when-is-a-blueprint-needed | 17:19 |
| tjones | lets move on to blueprints | 17:19 |
| tjones | #topic blueprints | 17:19 |
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| tjones | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:19 |
| mdbooth_ | tjones: The advice I heard recently is that nothing needs a spec. However, things without a spec may be rejected on the basis of their design. A spec allows you to get approval on the design before writing code. | 17:19 |
| tjones | rgerganov: why don't you go 1st. you have some legacy work and some new work. can you update us and do you need any help? | 17:20 |
| garyk | the line between a spec and a bp is very fin. i really do not understand it | 17:20 |
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| rgerganov | tjones: sure. I am currently resuming the vSAN work that Vui has started | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | there are some issues wrt image transfer which were raised by jaypipes | 17:21 |
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| rgerganov | I am currently working to address them | 17:21 |
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| tjones | and also #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-console-log | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | right | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | so in Juno I have tried to implement this with serial ports | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | with file backing | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | and it was not accepted because there is no way to limit the file size which could lead to security issues | 17:22 |
| tjones | funny - there is a VERY old bug about other drivers that do this | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | now I am proposing to implement this using serial ports with network backing | 17:23 |
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| rgerganov | tjones: correct | 17:23 |
| tjones | looks like you john g is asking for more into in the BP | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | yes, I will update it shortly | 17:24 |
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| rgerganov | the down side is that this will require one more process for handling the network traffic | 17:24 |
| tjones | this will not make k-1 in this state - it's status is not started, etc. will you be able to do that before the summit? would be good to get it closer and we can perhaps talk about it with core folks | 17:25 |
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| rgerganov | ok, will do | 17:25 |
| tjones | anything else rgerganov? | 17:25 |
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| rgerganov | nope | 17:25 |
| tjones | ok garyk how about your stuff? | 17:25 |
| garyk | it is all in review at the moment | 17:26 |
| tjones | great! | 17:26 |
| garyk | i still need to do some work on resize of the ephemeral disks - need to see how it mixes with block devies | 17:26 |
| garyk | hopefully that will be done tomorrow or by end of the week | 17:26 |
| tjones | anyone else have an BP for discussion? | 17:26 |
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| garyk | which is one and the same here :) | 17:26 |
| tjones | :-D | 17:27 |
| garyk | we need to get jogo to see if you saw comments that rgerganov added to the cpu allocations patch | 17:27 |
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| garyk | i will try and catch him tomorrow | 17:27 |
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| garyk | that is blocking the spbm bp | 17:27 |
| tjones | do you have a link handy? | 17:27 |
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| garyk | sec | 17:28 |
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| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128931/ | 17:29 |
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| tjones | looks close | 17:30 |
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| garyk | yeah, just need jogo | 17:30 |
| tjones | ok looks like we are done with BP | 17:30 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:30 |
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| tjones | anything else? | 17:31 |
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| mdbooth_ | garyk: Well danpb already gave you a +2 on that. I came down in the middle. I didn't really feel like it was a substantive issue. | 17:31 |
| tjones | end early? | 17:32 |
| mdbooth_ | Do we have plans for our own informal meetup at the summit? | 17:32 |
| tjones | we have not discussed it - lets do it now :-) | 17:32 |
| garyk | yeah, each person brings a $100 and we drink till it is finished | 17:32 |
| tjones | where and when? | 17:32 |
| mdbooth_ | lol | 17:32 |
| rgerganov | somewhere with beer | 17:32 |
| tjones | LOL | 17:32 |
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| tjones | ok wed evening somewhere with beer? | 17:33 |
| tjones | just tossing that out there | 17:33 |
| * mdbooth_ hasn't seen the evening schedule, yet | 17:33 | |
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| mdbooth_ | But potentially any evening other than Monday works | 17:33 |
| mdbooth_ | tjones: Do you mind being the central point of communication? | 17:34 |
| tjones | mdbooth_: no that is fine | 17:34 |
| tjones | why don't we put our email on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo so i have an easy way to communicate? | 17:34 |
| * mdbooth_ is fine with a evening of beer :) | 17:34 | |
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| mdbooth_ | tjones: Do you want to add a section for it? | 17:35 |
| tjones | just did | 17:35 |
| tjones | at the end | 17:35 |
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| mdbooth_ | Got it | 17:36 |
| tjones | ok i think we are done | 17:36 |
| mdbooth_ | Ok | 17:36 |
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| tjones | *listens* | 17:36 |
| garyk | cool. have a good one and travel safe | 17:36 |
| tjones | you too | 17:36 |
| tjones | c ja | 17:36 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| rgerganov | Au revoir! | 17:36 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 17:36:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| thangp | see you all in Paris! | 17:36 |
| mdbooth_ | rgerganov: I don't mind doing some speed tests tomorrow, btw | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-29-17.00.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-29-17.00.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-29-17.00.log.html | 17:36 |
| tflower | have fun everyone! | 17:36 |
| jogo | garyk: my -1 still stands | 17:37 |
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| rgerganov | mdbooth_: ok, we can talk tomorrow | 17:37 |
| mdbooth_ | rgerganov: ok | 17:37 |
| mdbooth_ | night | 17:37 |
| garyk | jogo: it is an internal structure to pass data easiliy. do you prefer that i pass the flavor? | 17:37 |
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| garyk | the problem is there are a number of different places we need to parse the flavor - that is patches above that - and it is far easier if this is in a structure | 17:38 |
| jogo | garyk: the random dict that is similar yet slightly different then another random dict | 17:38 |
| jogo | makes things harder to read IMHO | 17:38 |
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| garyk | jogo: ok, i will see what i can do to change it. it just seems very clunky to pass the flavors around | 17:40 |
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| jogo | garyk: I like the general direction nova is moving in with using objects for things | 17:45 |
| jogo | if you want to create a standard python class of some sort for this, sure. | 17:45 |
| garyk | jogo: ok, will do. tx | 17:45 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 19:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
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| torgomatic | . | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | nice. 4 of us ;-) | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | ah, here come some others | 19:01 |
| notmyname | at least tgohad tdasilva | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:02 |
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| tgohad | hello! | 19:02 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get rolling | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | so, in all honesty, since the last meeting I've been traveling and working on summit prep. haven't done much else | 19:02 |
| notmyname | swift summit sessions for next week are scheduled | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/swift | 19:03 |
| mattoliverau | yay, nice work | 19:03 |
| notmyname | tgohad: are you going to paris? | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: kota_: you'll both be there, right? | 19:03 |
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| tgohad | notmyname: I am not able to make it, only Mr Luse | 19:03 |
| notmyname | ah | 19:04 |
| kota_ | ya, I'll go there. | 19:04 |
| mattoliverau | yup. I leave for Paris in 2 days... arrive Suday morning | 19:04 |
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| lpabon | here | 19:04 |
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| kota_ | I'll be at Sunday, 2 Nov. | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so I think all of the stuff has been set for the formal discussions, and there's a good start for a list of things at any tables or at the meetup on friday morning | 19:04 |
| notmyname | same here. I arrive sunday morning | 19:05 |
| kota_ | s/at/since/ | 19:05 |
| notmyname | any questions about the summit? | 19:05 |
| mattoliverau | nope, I'm looking forward to meeting you all in person :) | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | likewise | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | ok, great | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | since the summit is next week, I propose we don't have an online meeting in IRC :-) | 19:06 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 19:06 |
| kota_ | +1 | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | I'll be on vacation the week after, so unless someone else want's to run it (I'll ask around), that one might be skipped too | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | yo | 19:07 |
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| mattoliverau | peluse_: just volunteered :P | 19:07 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on from summit-specific stuff and to code work | 19:08 |
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| cutforth | sorry, i'm late | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | ha! sorry, I'm washing my hair that week... | 19:08 |
| kota_ | lol | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | I know torgomatic and tgohad have been working on getting a EC PUT (and GET?) demoable for next week) | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | peluse_: lol, why does every one say that to me :P | 19:08 |
| notmyname | how's that going? | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | it's sitting in Gerrit. go look. :) | 19:09 |
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| torgomatic | it's demoable-ish | 19:09 |
| tgohad | ack | 19:09 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | I'll work on getting is setup on my VM later today or tomororw | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | I mean, if hexdumping some files off a filesystem is a demo, it'll get you there | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | demoable-ish is good enough for me! | 19:09 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130349/ <- that one? | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | yep | 19:09 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: thansk | 19:10 |
| notmyname | ok, what else is going on? | 19:10 |
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| tgohad | notmyname: on PyECLib side, we have ranged GET support being worked on | 19:11 |
| notmyname | anything to report or issues to bring up with the group here? | 19:11 |
| notmyname | tgohad: cool | 19:11 |
| tgohad | notmyname: it should be in this week | 19:11 |
| tgohad | trying to make final changes to get_info() API for byteranges | 19:12 |
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| peluse_ | awesome, the SWE formerly known as tsg | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | doesn't seem like anyone is jumping up with other stuff to talk about.... | 19:13 |
| notmyname | I'm working on presentations for the rest of the week. otherwise I'll see you in paris :-) | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | anything else? last call... | 19:14 |
| peluse | see you there! | 19:14 |
| mattoliverau | I think we are all in paris prep mode :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | remember, no meeting next week. and unless someone volunteers to run it, no meeting the following week either | 19:14 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ++ | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, go prep then (or torgomatic think long about how you won't be on a plane for 20 hours) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:15 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 19:15:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-29-19.00.html | 19:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-29-19.00.txt | 19:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-29-19.00.log.html | 19:15 |
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