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| Sam-I-Am | however, we didnt see rhel packages until 2 weeks ago and they're still b3 instead of rc1 | 14:13 |
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| fungi | the openstack meetbot is back now. freenode issues | 14:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i tested rhel/centos/fedora over the last week or so and its good through neutron | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | fungi: thx | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | ubuntu horizon still lacks a package dependency | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | havent made any progress on suse | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, if anyone has time, get testing :) | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | release is next week and at this point the best i can do is make sure the 'core' services work | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | cinder, swift, ceilometer, heat, etc... will be post-release updates | 14:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | although i dont think they've changed much besides init systems | 14:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if we dont see any traction on a particular distro, its tempting to see if we can drop it from the guide | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | like debian, for example | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | next topic: website design status | 14:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess anne mentioned that in her report | 14:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | so unless anyone has something else to add here | 14:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | y'all are sleeping :) | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | next topic: HOT template guide status | 14:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | gpocentek: is this you? | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | yep | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | there's been good progress | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | we have a hot-reference publishd | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | and the hot-guide is shaping up | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | http://docs.openstack.org/hot-reference/content/reference_overview.html | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | good | 14:19 |
| gpocentek | http://docs.openstack.org/hot-guide/content/hello_world_hot-guide.html | 14:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anything else? | 14:19 |
| gpocentek | nothing much, we need a bit of editing on the hot guide | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | edit all the things | 14:19 |
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| nickchase | :) | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | next topic: API docs | 14:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | supposedly anne mass-deleted a bunch of stuff and only one person noticed | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know the details though | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | next topic: doc tools status | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | no updates until after the juno release | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which is next week... so get ready :) | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | last topic: open discussion | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone have anything interesting? seems kind of quiet in here. | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs has felt unusually quiet for a while now | 14:22 |
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| nickchase | Nope, I got nothing. | 14:23 |
| gpocentek | nothing here either | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | me neither. just lots of work prior to release. | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks for everyone's hard work everywhere... we're a small team with too much to do. | 14:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | on that note, i guess we can close the meeting | 14:24 |
| gpocentek | thanks for leading it Sam-I-Am! | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | time to go find some caffeine | 14:24 |
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| nickchase | thanks all | 14:25 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy: ping | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting xenapi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 8 15:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: xenapi)" | 15:02 | |
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| matel | Hello | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: hello, sorry distracted my IRC | 15:02 |
| matel | No, that's ok. | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/my/by/ | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, how the CI doing these days | 15:02 |
| matel | GImme some secs, let me to a query. | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | np | 15:02 |
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| matel | Bob added some new query parameters to the CI scripts. | 15:04 |
| matel | Failures | 15:05 |
| matel | ------------------- | 15:05 |
| matel | 22 No tempest failures detected | 15:05 |
| matel | 20 More than 10 failures | 15:05 |
| matel | 13 Fewer than 2 duplicates | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we still have the swift thing? | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_floating_ips_bulk.FloatingIPsBulkAdminTest.test_create_list_delete_floating_ips_bulk | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_get_hypervisor_show_servers | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hosts_negative.HostsAdminNegativeTest.test_show_host_detail_with_non_admin_user | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hosts_negative.HostsAdminNegativeTest.test_show_host_detail_with_nonexistent_hostname | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_search_hypervisor | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hosts.HostsAdminTest.test_show_host_detail | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_get_hypervisor_uptime | 15:05 |
| matel | 2 tempest.api.compute.admin.test_hypervisor.HypervisorAdminTest.test_get_hypervisor_show_details | 15:05 |
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| matel | This is what the query tells me. | 15:05 |
| matel | which testcase was the swift? | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean the status report sent to a swift container | 15:06 |
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| matel | osci-view failures --recent 72 | 15:06 |
| matel | Ah, where is that, let me check the wiki. | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, good point, the wiki should tell that | 15:06 |
| matel | http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/results.html | 15:07 |
| matel | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/XenServer_CI/AdminTips | 15:07 |
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| matel | I thought you are referencing to a test failure related to swift. | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/all_failures.txt | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sorry, thats the one I mean | 15:08 |
| matel | Ok, sure thing. I'm looking at that as well. | 15:08 |
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| matel | tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard seems to be the big one | 15:08 |
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| matel | and tempest.api.compute.security_groups.test_security_group_rules.SecurityGroupRulesTest | 15:09 |
| matel | Do they look familiar? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | kinda | 15:09 |
| matel | Let's try to find a console output for tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean I think they might be general gate issues | 15:09 |
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| matel | Would be nice to be able to get to the console logs. | 15:10 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy: can you recall how to do that? | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | should be in the results folder somewhere | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | which failed test had that in, I guess is the question | 15:11 |
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| matel | yep | 15:12 |
| matel | are you logged in, johnthetubaguy? | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | logged into where? | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am looking at the results in swift basically | 15:12 |
| matel | logged in to osci | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | no, not logged into there | 15:12 |
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| matel | Okay, I guess that's something that would be nice, to be able to associate job ids to the individual test failures. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, we have the tempest logs | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | and all the screen logs I think | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | should have the info we need | 15:14 |
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| matel | I'm looking for the console log | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | what you looking for from there? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | the test running stuff? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tempest.txt.gz should be fine | 15:16 |
| matel | yes, where I can find those names. | 15:16 |
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| matel | wuff, that's a huge blob | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/72/121872/5/27088/testr_results.html.gz | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | that one is quite good | 15:17 |
| matel | Let me look at that | 15:17 |
| matel | But I think we would definitely find a way to do some triage -ing. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well we have the top fails, I guess we just need to find instances of that fail | 15:18 |
| matel | Yes, but tha should be done by computers . | 15:19 |
| matel | Let me add this to the wiki. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the last three failures at the bottom of here would be good: | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/all_failures.txt | 15:20 |
| matel | Okay, I guess we need to find a way to do that, I see no point of doing it now manually. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | makes sense | 15:22 |
| matel | could you create an action item for me: lookup logs related to tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard and tempest.api.compute.security_groups.test_security_group_rules.SecurityGroupRulesTest | 15:22 |
| matel | you are the IRC wizard. | 15:23 |
| matel | Maybe we already have this functionality, it just needs to be documented. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action matel lookup logs related to tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_ha | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | got output to swift | 15:23 |
| matel | And I also need to check wether these failures could be caused by code changes on that area? | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its quite possible its affecting the general gate too | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the last 22 failures are all the same patch, thats a good hit :) | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | hint^ | 15:24 |
| matel | aye | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, we need more data | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on the CI? | 15:24 |
| matel | Will talk to Bob regarding to that. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | OKay | 15:25 |
| matel | Well, have you seen that project-config has been split? | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:25 |
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| matel | It's not really relevant, anyhow. | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | not really got much to say | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | expect its summit planning time, get your ideas on the wiki page | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't plan on having a XenAPI session though | 15:25 |
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| matel | I see. | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it would be good to get some more refactoring work complete, now we are open for kilo | 15:26 |
| matel | I won't be there, I did not contribute anything during the last period . | 15:26 |
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| matel | AH, Bob is here | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, lol | 15:27 |
| matel | Let's ask him about the CI quickly | 15:27 |
| BobBallAway | go for it | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBallAway: any more for any more? | 15:27 |
| matel | BobBallAway: is there a way to query the job ids that have a particular test failure? | 15:27 |
| BobBallAway | well asking me about the CI? | 15:27 |
| BobBallAway | yes | 15:27 |
| BobBallAway | osci-view failures --with-fail "text" | 15:27 |
| matel | teach us, please. | 15:27 |
| matel | Okay, let me try that. | 15:27 |
| BobBallAway | or --with-fail "" if you want to list the jobs with no failures | 15:27 |
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| matel | Ah, that's an empty list | 15:28 |
| matel | osci-view failures --with-fail "tempest.api.compute.servers.test_server_actions.ServerActionsTest.test_reboot_suspended_server_hard" | 15:28 |
| BobBallAway | I usually just use a much smaller search string | 15:29 |
| matel | We want to look at the logs of the top offenders. | 15:29 |
| BobBallAway | and if it's empty make sure you're also using --recent if you were for the original list you're looking at | 15:29 |
| matel | osci-view failures --with-fail "test_reboot_suspended_server_hard" | 15:29 |
| matel | Okay,anyhow, take it offline. | 15:29 |
| BobBallAway | indeed | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are done for today? | 15:30 |
| matel | yes, we are. | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: BobBallAway: thanks both | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| BobBallAway | I don't see any failures for that one? | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 8 15:30:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-08-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-08-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-08-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
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| matel | BobBallAway: it seems that the query returns a very different result now. | 15:32 |
| BobBallAway | ... strange. | 15:32 |
| BobBallAway | Very odd | 15:32 |
| BobBallAway | Let's talk when I'm back in the office! | 15:32 |
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| matel | sure | 15:32 |
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| irina_pov | hi to all! | 15:56 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 8 16:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| * DuncanT- waves | 16:00 | |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 16:00 |
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| patrickeast | hey | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| glenng | Hello! | 16:00 |
| irina_pov | hi to all | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | Agenda items for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | #topic thirdparty voting permissions | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: you're up | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | ok, so I wanted to discuss how we decide when to give voting permissions for CI’s and the process to do so | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | the instructions for this on the wiki are pretty vague | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | and i suspect i’m not the only one who will be wanted to do this | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | wanting* | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: actually I have no intention of doing it myself :) | 16:02 |
| thingee | patrickeast: can you provide the link to the wiki page in question that's confusing? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I see it as just noise | 16:02 |
| bswartz | this sounds like question for infra... | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I was also under the impression we wouldn't be doing that. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: +1 | 16:03 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: yea i was wondering about that | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Does voting add value? | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: Infra asked us to come up witha n approvals process | 16:03 |
| thingee | bswartz: +1 | 16:03 |
| patrickeast | bswartz: yep, but infra bounces me to cinder saying they wont do anything unless cinder core wants it | 16:03 |
| clarkb | right | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: DuncanT- :) | 16:03 |
| patrickeast | thingee: one sec, pulling up the page | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | voting makes automated results extraction easier | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | that makes sense | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: I thought so too | 16:03 |
| bswartz | IMO, step 1: get your system running consistently, step 2: have it comment on every patchset, step 3: ask for voting power | 16:03 |
| clarkb | infra isn't around to police individual projects | 16:03 |
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| clarkb | we just want to know when to make those changes | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: DuncanT- thingee how about an "incubation" period | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | if we in fact want to do it that is | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | so the idea would be something like stats over 1 month | 16:04 |
| thingee | clarkb: +1 we should not expect infra to | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | meet a certain criteria and then you can go voting if you like | 16:04 |
| DuncanT- | Basically infra want us to have some sort of process for approving them, they won''t approve obviously wrong accounts (no logs, always fails, etc) but said we need to be the decider | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | criteria being: % of succesful runs | 16:04 |
| bswartz | well there are 2 questions here -- what are the technical requirements to get the CI system able to vote -- and what are the administrative requirements for the cinder team to allow a CI system to vote | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I think for now there's just one question | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | that being: what's the criteria | 16:05 |
| bswartz | ok | 16:05 |
| thingee | #idea infra should not expect to police every project | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Criteria 0: is voting necessary, desired? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Extracting the % success is hard if they aren't voting | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: maybe I'm confused on what people refer to as voting | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Putting a score as well as a comment == voting | 16:06 |
| bswartz | DuncanT-: they can "comment" +1 or -1 but it can be a non-voting +1 or -1 | 16:06 |
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| patrickeast | thingee: sry for the delay, the instructions that i mentioned are here http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html it basically just says email the openstack-dev list and fix any feedback | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | I think voting means a -1 will block a patch | 16:06 |
| * DuncanT- is now confused | 16:06 | |
| thingee | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 16:06 |
| thingee | I agree with xyang1. non-voting means not voting. | 16:07 |
| bswartz | the term "voting" doesn't seem to have a clear definiton | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: so my point was you gather stats based on comments | 16:07 |
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| eharney | xyang1: V-1 doesn't block the patch | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: measure percentage of commits you voted on | 16:07 |
| bswartz | I think scoring is a better term | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: That is hard to do | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: how many passed and how many failed | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I spent... several minutes on it, and couldn't do it with gerrit queries | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | eharney: are you sure? a -1 from pylint will block the patch. is this different? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | eharney: correct | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | only -2 | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: There are the ones that also have (non-voting) listed though. | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: Jenkins has extra magic flags | 16:08 |
| eharney | xyang1: it only blocks because it turns into a V-2 later (or is never put in the gate queue) | 16:08 |
| eharney | xyang1: V-1 from things other than Jenkins is just advisory | 16:08 |
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| xyang1 | that's true, but usually a patch won't be approved with -1 | 16:09 |
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| glenng | xyang1: +1 | 16:10 |
| patrickeast | so if that is the case, is it useful for driver CI’s to be voting? | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: I ignore -1 from CIs quite often, particularly the CIs that -1 for no good reason | 16:10 |
| hemna | don't most folks ignore -1's from CI ? | 16:10 |
| hemna | :( | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: +1 | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: that's good to know | 16:10 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:10 |
| * DuncanT- things it is useful for them to vote, since it is easy to do queries for how reliable the CI system is then | 16:10 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | the only people today that have really cared about the thirdparty ci's are infra and the people running the ci. | 16:10 |
| thingee | if it | 16:10 |
| thingee | s going to meaningful, I think it needs to be able to vote | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | Vote make searching /much/ easier, which is the first step in monitoring them, and therefore getting people to fix them | 16:11 |
| bswartz | -1 should only be ignored if that CI has a history of inconsistent results | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | If it makes it easier to query and extract info as DuncanT- says then I see value in the voting. | 16:11 |
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| bswartz | a good CI system returning a -1 shouldn't be ignored -- that's the whole point of having CI | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: are you currently reviewing patches and checking results of all the 3'rd party CI systems? | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: Getting to the point where CI is mostly good is only just starting to happen | 16:12 |
| thingee | does anyone have any disagreement with third party ci's having voting rights? | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | bswartz: In principle, you're absolutely correct | 16:12 |
| * jgriffith sees this as another case of run before you walk | 16:12 | |
| hemna | we need more stability from CI to make folks really take a look at -1s I think | 16:12 |
| bswartz | not many patches, but I always look at the CI results | 16:12 |
| thingee | hemna: I agree. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and what's your finding? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: what's the number one failure reason for HP tests for example? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I totally agree. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: since you look at them and all | 16:13 |
| bswartz | my observation has been that they're flaky | 16:13 |
| thingee | where I'm getting it at though to move forward, is anyone just completely against ci's having voting rights, even if we all agreed on a requirement to be met to prove stability? | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | so with the goal of having reliable CI’s who’s -1 votes actually mean something, should we gate letting a CI vote until it has a certain level a credibility? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ha! Well that's a good catch all | 16:13 |
| bswartz | but when they're not flaky I take them more seriously | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: +1 | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I would probably be "ok" once we have criteria defined and it's proven | 16:14 |
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| * DuncanT- intends to start chasing CI owners who disagree with jenkins frequently for no good reason | 16:14 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: although honestly I'm not sure I see the added value | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I don't think I have a problem with that . Agree with jgriffith | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT- | But I can only do that for CIs that vote | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | comment works the same way IMO | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Literally the only difference is it is easier to search with votes than comments | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | I don't think we need to make all of this some sort of a witch hunt | 16:15 |
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| hemna | the CI system itself hasn't been stable, let alone the running of the tests against real backends. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | the idea was just to make the code better | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | and make sure we test our driers | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | drivers even | 16:15 |
| hemna | so I think we just need more time and help get the CI system stable, and then the backends will become stable with time. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Not witch hunt, just a gentle poking and an invitation to make the issues into bugs where necessary | 16:15 |
| hemna | cart/horse | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +1 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So kilo just require CI's to comment, L enforce stability to have confidence in voting? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: fair enough.. but my contention is that if I have a system I'm monitoring it | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:16 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | and I should have enough self interest to file a defect if need be | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | or fix it etc | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | I don't need a police-man watching my system | 16:16 |
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| thingee | Ok, this is a good start. I would like to capture our thoughts here. | 16:16 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: If you're monitoring it then hopefully you'll fix it before I notice, or respond to the poke with 'working on it', either of which is great | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | Unless we want to use it as criteria to kick me out :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: understood.... agreed | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Kick you out? Nah. Kick you? Maybe ;-) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: :) | 16:17 |
| hemna | we monitor ours pretty closely and have found issues that we've had to fix. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Better have long legs :) | 16:17 |
| glenng | LOL | 16:17 |
| hemna | and also deal with the CI mechanism itself as well. | 16:17 |
| thingee | patrickeast: I don't think we're going to have an answer yet. I would like to get further answers from some people on certain points. do you mind if I capture the thoughts here and revisit it next week? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sorry... we're digressing; you wanted to capture thoughts | 16:18 |
| hemna | I think we just need to relax a bit and churn on it and help stabilize CI itself. | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | thingee: sounds good to me | 16:18 |
| thingee | I will also give people time to comment on the points | 16:18 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: He he. Wasn't going to go there. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | #action thingee will capture thoughts so things can be revisited next meeting | 16:18 |
| * DuncanT- suggests giving voting rights early and easily for now, makes monitoring easier | 16:19 | |
| thingee | #topic Introduce a nice way of accessing up-to-date information on Cinder drivers | 16:19 |
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| thingee | irina_pov: you're up | 16:19 |
| irina_pov | Hi guys! so, I've got an idea for those who maintain drivers | 16:19 |
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| Swanson | Is it providing documentation? | 16:20 |
| navneet | irina_pov: is it about versioning scheme... | 16:20 |
| irina_pov | No, I'm speaking about driverlog and openstack marketplace | 16:20 |
| DuncanT- | irina_pov: What are you trying to achieve? | 16:20 |
| irina_pov | information on drivers is kept in a json file, so it's easy to update it when necessary | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT- | irina_pov: What information? | 16:21 |
| mkoderer | irina_pov: do you have some examples? | 16:21 |
| irina_pov | on drivers and on maintainers | 16:21 |
| navneet | irina_pov: not getting you | 16:21 |
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| hemna | ? | 16:21 |
| thingee | irina_pov: this is a bit vague. do you have code, or wiki page to provide us more information? | 16:21 |
| mkoderer | btw hello everybody ;) | 16:21 |
| thingee | mkoderer: hey :) | 16:21 |
| irina_pov | for instance, there's some information on driver, but it's out-of-date | 16:21 |
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| irina_pov | so, none can contact the maintainer | 16:22 |
| irina_pov | that's the point | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Png;base64726103ed8c60adf5.png | 16:22 |
| navneet | irina_pov: vendor driver ---mapped to---> maintainer | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | irina_pov: So there's a proposed maintainers file in the cinder git tree | 16:22 |
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| winston-d | IIRC, jaypipes mentioned similar idea once on ML | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | sorry... meant this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog | 16:22 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | irina_pov: that's what you're referring to correct? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT-: Any progress on having something automatically extract driver maintainers? | 16:23 |
| irina_pov | I want maintainers to update the information | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | irina_pov: I have issues with this whole concept FWIW | 16:23 |
| hemna | irina_pov, http://stackalytics.com/driverlog/?project_id=openstack%2Fcinder&vendor=HP&release_id= | 16:23 |
| kmartin | same info as #link http://stackalytics.com/driverlog/ | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | IMO rather than voting in CI we should be automating publishing to this | 16:23 |
| hemna | are you referring to the info that renders that page ? | 16:23 |
| navneet | seems like support matrix | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | smcginnis: That turns out to be infeasible - I might be able to do something where you can't submit a driver withotu a maintainer though | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:24 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116887/ | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT-'s review for maintainers file ^ | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT- | irina_pov: As far as feature matrix, that should be automatically extractable once we do the ABC change that we just approved a spec for | 16:24 |
| clarkb | DuncanT-: thingee: I think anteaya would like to see that info on the wiki | 16:25 |
| clarkb | so that it doesn't have to go through code review to be updated | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT- | wikis are terrible for such info, they either get forgotten or somebody claims maintainership off somebody else and caused a fight | 16:25 |
| irina_pov | the idea is just to put changes into the json file...without wikis and emails | 16:26 |
| e0ne | DuncanT-: agree | 16:26 |
| clarkb | DuncanT-: your code base is no better... | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | We've dozens of out of date wiki pages already | 16:26 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: that's fair, but I think it's also fair that our dev docs in the repo got forgotten | 16:26 |
| clarkb | except the barrier to updating a file in a repo is much higher | 16:26 |
| irina_pov | marketplace and driverlog are set up from the same json | 16:26 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: why not have a cinder standard driver versioning scheme for support matrix? | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | irina_pov: FWIW I have no problem with updating that as you suggest | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Because it is a bitmask, not a progressive scheme, and ABCs are a much clearer way of expressing that in code | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | irina_pov: my only question is are we infact making driver-log the one version of truth? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | irina_pov: I wasn't aware that had been decided, but if it has fair enough | 16:27 |
| irina_pov | driverlog and marketplace are the same | 16:27 |
| irina_pov | the same sources of information | 16:27 |
| irina_pov | not the single ones | 16:28 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: how do you expect customer to get the info by running an api and not referring a wiki or similar? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | irina_pov: well that's part of the problem IMO | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | irina_pov: I thought there was a spreedsheet for market place, not exactly the same as driverlog | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | need to have a single source of truth | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT- | navneet: We can generate a page automatically from the code | 16:28 |
| irina_pov | as I know, both are made up from the same file | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | navneet: if you have it in the code you could extract it | 16:28 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Manually updated wiki pages suck | 16:28 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: agree | 16:28 |
| irina_pov | marketplace just has no info on maintainers | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | We could extract most of the info that driverlog wants from the code actually | 16:29 |
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| irina_pov | so, my idea is to update the json when necessary | 16:29 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: mkoderer do we have the code in place to extract such an info? | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Not yet | 16:29 |
| mkoderer | navneet: not yet | 16:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb is right, this information needs to be on this page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:29 |
| mkoderer | but we can do that after ABC bp is done | 16:29 |
| anteaya | if you also want to have it in your repo, that is up to you | 16:29 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: alright...we need to get one then | 16:29 |
| navneet | irina_pov: is this what you are doing...having the extraction mechanism in place | 16:30 |
| irina_pov | for now, if I want to get up-to-date info, I have to write to a maintainer | 16:30 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I feel like this is something we need to coordinate with the rest of the projects. Since infra is already working with different projects, we should probably continuing working with them. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Good point. | 16:31 |
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| navneet | thingee: +1 | 16:31 |
| thingee | i just don't want 3 projects having their source of truth here, and another four doing this, etc | 16:31 |
| anteaya | it is in accordance with the requirements: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements | 16:31 |
| anteaya | under publish contact information for maintainers | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: having a bot push update reviews into driverlog seems reasonable.... looks like it is well structured enough to be able to do so | 16:31 |
| irina_pov | well, driverlog is quite Ok for posting an update as you can see the result quickly | 16:32 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: overall though, I think we should all recognize the work you have originally driven with the gathering the maintainers info | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: I think having truth outside the cider tree will bitrot fast. No problem publishing the info via wiki/driverlog/etc though | 16:33 |
| * jungleboyj needs to switch to lurker mode. | 16:33 | |
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| thingee | ok so I'm hearing drivelog and the infra wants wiki | 16:33 |
| thingee | driverlog* | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: Manually maintained wiki pages are always going to suck, and in some cases we might be better suggesting better approaches to infra | 16:34 |
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| thingee | Then I think irina_pov should be working with infra on this. | 16:34 |
| thingee | to improve that system | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: +1 | 16:34 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 16:34 |
| irina_pov | thingee, I'll take it up | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT- | irina_pov's json looks well structured, so doing programatic things with it looks eminently doable | 16:35 |
| thingee | anteaya: is that fair? not needing a yes right now from infra, but a proposal? | 16:35 |
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| anteaya | we always welcome proposals | 16:36 |
| anteaya | and welcome help from anyone in the third party space | 16:36 |
| irina_pov | I've updated wiki on driverlog on how to update information, so it became even simplier to understand | 16:36 |
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| thingee | irina_pov: infra is already slammed as we all know, so this will be a bit of work for driverlog | 16:36 |
| thingee | team | 16:36 |
| anteaya | but be aware that any system not in compliance with the thrid party requirements can be turned off until they comply | 16:36 |
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| anteaya | and any member of infra can and may do so | 16:36 |
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| anteaya | so heads up if you choose not to recommend compliance | 16:37 |
| anteaya | while the proposal is being presented and considered | 16:37 |
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| thingee | #agreed irina_pov will propose driver log to infra team | 16:37 |
| anteaya | and irina_pov you are welcome to attend third party meetings | 16:37 |
| anteaya | as well as infra meetings | 16:37 |
| irina_pov | thank you, guys! I'll talk to infra | 16:37 |
| thingee | #topic Oslo Project Liaison for Kilo Release | 16:37 |
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| thingee | irina_pov: thank you | 16:37 |
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| thingee | dhellmann sent a post to the ML about this http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg37015.html | 16:38 |
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| thingee | first I would like to recognize DuncanT- for helping with juno release | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | Actually I was pretty poor at it, but never mind | 16:39 |
| thingee | the signup for Kilo is available at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:39 |
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| winston-d | thingee, DuncanT- what is the responsibility of Olso Liaison? | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT- | winston-d: Basically working with the oslo team to get graduated oslo projects into cinder | 16:40 |
| thingee | winston-d: the wiki sign up page I just gave should have it | 16:40 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:40 |
| DuncanT- | winston-d: And generally keeping track of cinder <-> oslo interactions | 16:40 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:40 |
| mkoderer | winston-d: and it's a good idea to attend to their meetings, too | 16:40 |
| thingee | ideally someone core should step up to this, but I would not be opposed to someone that is not part of core | 16:41 |
| navneet | any pre requisite to sign up as liason? | 16:41 |
| thingee | (there is a ML discussion on this particular topic) | 16:41 |
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| thingee | so just putting that out there. | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | when is Olso's weekly meeting? | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | nvmind, find it | 16:43 |
| e0ne | DuncanT-: what kind of tracking? some projects (e.g. oslo.db) could be partically integrated | 16:43 |
| mkoderer | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:43 |
| thingee | winston-d: 1600utc | 16:43 |
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| thingee | it would be great if someone can step up to this by friday. | 16:43 |
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| thingee | ok | 16:43 |
| DuncanT- | e0ne: It is about knowing exactly that kind of detail ;-) There's no formal tracking at the moment, but when a new graduation comes up, knowing if it is in use or if we should use it | 16:44 |
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| thingee | #topic cinder stabilization | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | thingee: i could do it for a part of oslo.db. i started wortking on migrating migrratins tests today | 16:44 |
| thingee | who put this up? | 16:44 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work | 16:44 |
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| hemna | that was me | 16:45 |
| hemna | my bad | 16:45 |
| thingee | hemna: you're up :) | 16:45 |
| hemna | we hadn't gone through that list yet | 16:45 |
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| hemna | so I was wondering if that list is still worth keeping and looking at? Are folks picking up any of those | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | Review link doesn't work for me. | 16:46 |
| hemna | are folks creating cinder-specs associated with them? | 16:46 |
| * DuncanT- is still bashing away at state machines. They definitely don't align well with the current taskflow tasks is my only feedback so far | 16:47 | |
| e0ne | hemna: i'm working on some items from list:) | 16:47 |
| hemna | we had talked at the mid summit meetup at the possibility of making Kilo a stabilization release. | 16:47 |
| thingee | hemna: I'm still getting a bit organized with things. I think I will have a better picture of things next week | 16:47 |
| hemna | ok | 16:47 |
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| hemna | I guess if folks are actively working on any one of those items, to put your name next to it and/or put a link to the cinder-specs url ? | 16:48 |
| thingee | but I do encourage people to look at that list and step up to something of interest that you can see through the end of the release. | 16:48 |
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| xyang1 | hemna: there are a couple of patches already up for the state management | 16:48 |
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| hemna | I know we have a cinder-spec for the ABC stuff | 16:48 |
| mkoderer | hemna: should we put links to the blueprints in that etherpad? | 16:48 |
| thingee | xyang1: that's true. | 16:48 |
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| e0ne | mkoderer: yes | 16:48 |
| mkoderer | I'll do that for ABC | 16:48 |
| e0ne | mkoderer: or links to the review requests | 16:49 |
| hemna | mkoderer, coolio thanks | 16:49 |
| thingee | So I don't want to get into state machine stuff here. But I will say that I have one proposal coming to me that's complete. That does not mean it's going to be it, but it's something more complete than anything else I've gotten | 16:49 |
| hemna | thingee, awesome. | 16:49 |
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| hemna | I would love to see that get in for K | 16:49 |
| thingee | if anyone opposes the patches up for state machine starter stuff with taskflow, please provide feed back | 16:49 |
| thingee | #action thingee will have a better idea next week of who is working on what and what we still need help with | 16:50 |
| thingee | #topic Kilo release specs | 16:50 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:+openstack/cinder-specs+status:+open+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label:Code-Review%252Cself,n,z | 16:51 |
| thingee | this gerrit link should only show the specs that pass jenkins and haven't been reviewed by you | 16:51 |
| thingee | use it please and provide the rest of the community with your feedback | 16:51 |
| hemna | Code Review - Error | 16:51 |
| thingee | hemna: are you logged in? | 16:51 |
| hemna | nope | 16:51 |
| hemna | heh | 16:51 |
| hemna | sorry | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I get that in chrome but not ff | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: That shows me things I've already +2d | 16:51 |
| thingee | oh yeah, so that link will error if you're not logged in | 16:51 |
| thingee | otherwise it doesn't know who self is | 16:52 |
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| thingee | DuncanT-: oh heh, I'll improve it and send it to the room | 16:52 |
| thingee | room being #openstack-cinder | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: Cheers. I still suck at bending gerrit search to my will | 16:53 |
| thingee | but just encouraging people to discuss the specs that are up now. We also need to clean up ones that are stale. | 16:53 |
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| hemna | ok sounds good. I'll take a pass at em. | 16:53 |
| thingee | I'll be doing a great deal myself this week, so also please get your blueprints up now. | 16:53 |
| DuncanT- | Do we want to auto-expire old specs that don't respond to feedback? | 16:53 |
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| thingee | I don't think we need to discuss every spec that comes in, but certainly people mention in the comments if you think this too complicated that it should be brought up in the next meeting. | 16:54 |
| thingee | it would be up to the spec author to propose the agenda item and be there | 16:54 |
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| hemna | +1 | 16:55 |
| thingee | #topic anything else? | 16:55 |
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| glenng | NFS Security | 16:55 |
| e0ne | it will be good to anounce it in openstack-dev | 16:55 |
| thingee | glenng: heh ok 4 mins | 16:56 |
| glenng | I am working on Rushi's comments now and wish to know if we can get some focus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/. | 16:56 |
| eharney | does it gracefully handle upgrades now? | 16:56 |
| glenng | It has been going on sine July 17th. | 16:56 |
| glenng | YES, new option added | 16:56 |
| eharney | i'll look at it when i get a chance | 16:57 |
| glenng | Am hoping for any other feedback for last set of changes ;-) | 16:57 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/ | 16:57 |
| glenng | Would like to close off on this very important change. Does anyone else have concerns? | 16:57 |
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| thingee | #action community should provide feedback on nfs security enhancement patch | 16:58 |
| glenng | Thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
| thingee | thanks glenng | 16:58 |
| thingee | 2 more mins anything else? | 16:58 |
| glenng | *feels better now* | 16:58 |
| cknight | thingee: quick question: fibrechannel drivers are coming for NetApp arrays. Is there a hard requirement to have CI in place to submit new derivative drivers? | 16:58 |
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| thingee | I'm going to be working with DuncanT- on this since he has a strong opinion with this and anyone else that wants to be part of it. | 16:59 |
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| thingee | my initial thoughts though, we can force people, but things aren't going to be successful unless we have the tools for people to be able to do it | 16:59 |
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| cknight | thingee: OK, thanks. I'm glad to participate in that conversation. | 17:00 |
| thingee | that's all! | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 8 17:00:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-08-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-08-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-08-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| bswartz | perfect timing! | 17:00 |
| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 8 17:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks | 17:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:00 |
| arnaud | hi | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | hello | 17:00 |
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| tjones | lets get started | 17:01 |
| tjones | #topic BP for kilo | 17:01 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:01 |
| tjones | we have a number of abandoned BP here | 17:02 |
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| tjones | if you want to resurect - it's probably a good time to do so | 17:02 |
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| tjones | here's our current list for kilo BP - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo | 17:03 |
| tflower | o/ | 17:04 |
| tjones | we don't have garyk here (yet) some are here | 17:04 |
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| tjones | tfldid you have a chance to sync with arnaud on your image optimization bp? | 17:04 |
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| tjones | sorry that was tflower | 17:05 |
| tjones | not sure how that happened... | 17:06 |
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| tflower | tjones, actually we're just talking | 17:06 |
| tflower | Hopefully I can make a bit of a start next week | 17:06 |
| tjones | i'd like for the BP we are proposing to be in decent shape *before* the summit this time | 17:07 |
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| tflower | I'll do my best | 17:07 |
| tjones | i.e. written, reviewed by us, and socialized on the ML. Im hoping this will help us | 17:07 |
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| arnaud | +1 tjones | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | I will propose two blueprints related to VM consoles | 17:08 |
| tflower | tjones, does that include code or just the blueprint + specs? (just trying to figure out the process) | 17:08 |
| tjones | rgerganov: can you add them to the etherpad? | 17:08 |
| tjones | tflower: BP in nova-specs. code if you have it, but not necessary | 17:08 |
| tflower | ok, thanks | 17:08 |
| rgerganov | tjones: I will | 17:09 |
| tjones | currently this is our only proposed spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:09 |
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| tjones | we don't have a ton of time - so by next week if we just had a skelton of BP we are working on up on nova specs then we see how to prioritize the list | 17:10 |
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| tjones | does that sound reasonable? | 17:10 |
| tflower | sounds good to me | 17:11 |
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| tjones | ok anything anyone want to discuss on kilo? | 17:11 |
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| tjones | ok lets move on then | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, maybe I could reach out about specs? | 17:12 |
| tjones | ok sure - go ahead johnthetubaguy | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we had some stuff that was a near miss in juno | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy to help try and express that into kilo-1 | 17:13 |
| tjones | thanks!! | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so reach out to on IRC, and lets do this thing | 17:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am doing the same for the hyper-v folks | 17:13 |
| tjones | ok thanks a lot - that would be awesome. I think there are just 4 but i'll check | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | you have both had a rough time of it, so trying to make sure I can get you through any red tape as fast as possible! | 17:14 |
| tjones | we areally appreciate this! | 17:14 |
| tjones | and really too | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | np | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly want the already written code to get up for review and through all the policy stuff ASAP | 17:14 |
| tjones | i'll reach out to the BP owners of those and let them know | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will run off now, I just happen to see specs mentioned, and wanted to reach out to you folks | 17:15 |
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| tjones | thanks see ya | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 17:15 |
| tjones | anything else on BP guys before we do bugs? | 17:15 |
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| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:16 |
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| tjones | we have a bunch | 17:16 |
| tjones | http://tinyurl.com/p28mz43 | 17:16 |
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| tjones | anything we think is going to hit a customer putting openstack in production should be assigned to someone actively working on it. | 17:17 |
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| tjones | we are actually in decent shape - except for a couple | 17:17 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1255317 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255317 in nova "VMware: can't boot from sparse image copied to volume " [High,Triaged] | 17:18 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1325789 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325789 in nova "VMware: should not take the first host found in the cluster to perform iSCSI related operations" [High,Confirmed] | 17:18 |
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| tjones | and this one is critical and needs reviews #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1345460 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1345460 in nova "VMware: resize fails when there is more than one compute node" [Critical,In progress] | 17:18 |
| tjones | this one also needs reviews #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226543 | 17:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226543 in nova "VMware: attaching a volume to the VM failed" [High,In progress] | 17:19 |
| tjones | actually - a bunch need review | 17:19 |
| tjones | looking at this link - http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html but vmware in the search box and select ready for review | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | I don't like the patch proposed for bug 1226543 | 17:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226543 in nova "VMware: attaching a volume to the VM failed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226543 | 17:19 |
| tjones | if you guys can spare some cycles on reviewing the high it would be good | 17:20 |
| browne | i'll try to help out with some reviews | 17:20 |
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| tjones | thangp: is here - rado can you explain your concern? | 17:20 |
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| rgerganov | tjones: sure | 17:20 |
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| rgerganov | my thinking is that we should allow attaching scsci volumes to instances having root disks on ide controller | 17:21 |
| thangp | so danpb commented on it | 17:21 |
| thangp | it's a compromise | 17:21 |
| thangp | we have to look at disk_bus for the volume | 17:22 |
| thangp | if it is = scsi, then we add the controller | 17:22 |
| thangp | otherwise throw an error | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | oh, I haven't seen the comment from danpb | 17:22 |
| thangp | i'm going to work on a patch for that later today | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | thangp: thanks, this is great | 17:22 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122251/2/nova/virt/vmwareapi/volumeops.py | 17:22 |
| thangp | :) | 17:22 |
| tjones | great | 17:22 |
| tjones | any other bugs needing discussion? | 17:22 |
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| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:24 |
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| tjones | if nothing we can end early | 17:24 |
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| tjones | i just want to reiterate - please post your BP in nova-specs by next meeting. Not necessary to have everything complete - at least a skeleton. That way we as a team can review and decide on our priorities for kilo. we know not everything gets in - so we should have decide what is critical for us and focus there. | 17:26 |
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| tjones | any comments on that? | 17:26 |
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| tjones | *listens* | 17:27 |
| tjones | *thinking we will end early* | 17:27 |
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| browne | do we have an etherpad of possible nova-specs | 17:27 |
| tjones | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo | 17:27 |
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| browne | tjones: thx | 17:27 |
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| rgerganov | tjones: do we need to file both blueprints *and* specs by the next meeting or only blueprints? | 17:28 |
| tjones | they need to end up here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:28 |
| tjones | specs | 17:28 |
| tjones | BP is in the spec - right? | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | I thought that we need both | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | nevermind | 17:28 |
| tjones | not that i am aware of - the process changed in juno - just post your spec in nova-specs. that is the BP | 17:29 |
| tjones | anyone disagree with that?? | 17:29 |
| tjones | now i am confused too | 17:29 |
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| arnaud | no tha'ts correct | 17:30 |
| tjones | ok - so JUST specs for next week | 17:30 |
| rgerganov | ok :) | 17:30 |
| tjones | :-D | 17:30 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:30 |
| tjones | ok lets end early then | 17:31 |
| tjones | thanks folks | 17:31 |
| browne | bye | 17:31 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 8 17:31:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-08-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-08-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-08-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
| tflower | thanks, bye | 17:31 |
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| notmyname | hello. time for a (late) swift team meeting | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 8 19:30:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:30 |
| notmyname | hello, who's here froe the swift team meeting? | 19:30 |
| elambert | o/ | 19:30 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:30 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:30 |
| acoles | \o | 19:30 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:31 |
| peluse | yo | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming :-) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:31 |
| cutforth | here | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | thanks for letting us start late. we had a company all-hands that overlapped | 19:32 |
| lpabon | here | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | hmm..looks like I forgot to add the hackathon review to the agenda. we'll talk about that too | 19:32 |
| notmyname | ok, first up..juno release | 19:32 |
| notmyname | #topic swift 2.2.0 (juno integrated release) | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift 2.2.0 (juno integrated release) (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:32 | |
| notmyname | thansk for helping get patches written, reviewed, and merged | 19:33 |
| notmyname | the RC-1 for swift 2.2.0 was cut early this week | 19:33 |
| notmyname | unless something else comes up, that will be the final release for 2.2.0 and what is included in the juno integrated release | 19:33 |
| notmyname | juno is scheduled to be cut on the 16th (one week from tomorrow) | 19:34 |
| notmyname | so....although I'm pretty confident about the state of it, please continue to look at ti, do QA, and (quickly!) report any showstoppers you find | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | #link https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG | 19:35 |
| zaitcev | is there a summary of highlights for Juno? A PM asked me and I said "umm... Keystone v3" | 19:35 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: there ^^ | 19:35 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:35 |
| ppai | here | 19:35 |
| notmyname | juno includes swift 2.0 - 2.2 | 19:35 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: storage policies are kinda big ;-) | 19:35 |
| notmyname | here were my notes for a phone call I had with the foundation about that very question (what's new/big in juno for swift): https://gist.github.com/notmyname/918dec4be5424275934f | 19:36 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ^^ | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | any questions about either the juno release or specifically about swift 2.2.0? | 19:37 |
| ppai | zaitcev, https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG#L1-L173 ;) | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ppai: cool! I didn't know you could link ranges in github :-) | 19:37 |
| ppai | :) | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on then to summary of the hackathon | 19:38 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon followup | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | first, again I'd like to thank tdasilva (and lpabon) for helping organize it | 19:38 |
| peluse | heck yeah, thanks guys! | 19:39 |
| notmyname | I thought it was a great week. very productive and, as always, great to see people in person | 19:39 |
| lpabon | aah, it's all tdasilva :-) | 19:39 |
| tdasilva | thanks to everyone for coming | 19:39 |
| lpabon | ;-) | 19:39 |
| tdasilva | it was great | 19:39 |
| notmyname | also, I thought westford was very nice | 19:39 |
| ppai | I did learn a lot | 19:39 |
| zaitcev | I think we were more productive this time around, although perhaps it was merely me. In Colorado the SP were dominating and I didn't do much to advance and conclude that work, just poked here and there. | 19:39 |
| acoles | yeah, thanks hosts - great job! | 19:39 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I agree. I thought this was the most productive one we've had so far | 19:39 |
| * tdasilva is looking forward to Hawaii | 19:40 | |
| peluse | oh geeze | 19:40 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: you just let the secret out :) | 19:40 |
| notmyname | I haven't yet had a chance to write up a blog post about it, be here's my (very rough) notes https://gist.github.com/notmyname/f13d8aaeda3d065909a0 | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I'll be working on the next one sooner than later so that we can have it not as close to the vancouver summit | 19:41 |
| notmyname | we've got a few people who have already offered to sponsor/host, which is pretty cool | 19:41 |
| mattoliverau | that would be awesome, I should be able to swing that with work ;) | 19:41 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: nice! | 19:42 |
| notmyname | anything else to ask or say about the hackathon? | 19:42 |
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| lpabon | how awesome I am at pool? | 19:42 |
| cutforth | will final notes be posted somewhere? | 19:42 |
| zaitcev | Someone was smoking weed in Regency a lot and stunk up the place so much that cops with AR-15 stormed it | 19:43 |
| cutforth | notes = minutes of hackathon | 19:43 |
| peluse | interesting... | 19:43 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: clearly MA and not CA or CO ;-) | 19:43 |
| peluse | BTW, I was at the Marriott, wasn't me! | 19:43 |
| notmyname | cutforth: no official minutes. I'll write up my notes (above) in prose and post a blog on it | 19:43 |
| zaitcev | Well, it was when I left for dinner. So it's not like when I was in Portland for Summit where they woke me up 5th Element style | 19:43 |
| cutforth | notmyname: thanks | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | so again, a great week. thanks to you all | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #topic paris summit | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "paris summit (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:45 | |
| notmyname | ...and in a month we'll all* be together again | 19:45 |
| notmyname | so for Paris, we have 6 scheduled time slots and then a half-day freeform | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | this is less assigned slots, but more aggregate time than we had in atlanta | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | here's how scheduling topics for those time slots will work | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I've started an etherpad where we need to collect the topic ideas | 19:46 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-swift-summit-topics | 19:46 |
| peluse | is anyone going that can lead a topic on the single process work to date/status/next steps? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | add your topics there, with a description | 19:47 |
| notmyname | and (peluse) you can add topics even if you aren't going to be in paris | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | if you do add something but you aren't going to be there, please make a note of that | 19:47 |
| notmyname | and overall, when you add something, please add your name too | 19:47 |
| peluse | well, I'll be there but am not wanting to lead that discussion but will participate if tdasilva or someone will be there | 19:47 |
| tdasilva | yeah, i'll be there | 19:48 |
| tdasilva | i believe Ignacio is also going | 19:48 |
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| tdasilva | i'll add a note | 19:48 |
| notmyname | from the list of topics that is collected, we'll prioritize and schedule the 6 time slots. the rest will be discussed either during the half-day or free-form at a table | 19:48 |
| peluse | great! | 19:48 |
| lpabon | i'll most likely will be there also. | 19:48 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: great, thanks! | 19:48 |
| notmyname | I think that's a great topic | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I added an entry for service tokens, but I don't know if donnagh will be there | 19:49 |
| acoles | i think not but i will and can pull in guys form glance, cinder if appropriate | 19:50 |
| notmyname | great | 19:50 |
| acoles | or is that cross-project? | 19:50 |
| notmyname | acoles: could be either | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | so consider the etherpad document a place to brainstorm. we can condense it down later | 19:50 |
| notmyname | any other questions about paris? | 19:51 |
| notmyname | oh, this is important: the half-day swift stuff is on friday, so don't fly out too soon | 19:51 |
| notmyname | cross project stuff on wednesday, swift sessions on thursday, swift "meetup" on friday | 19:51 |
| notmyname | the currenst schedule is available online | 19:52 |
| notmyname | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | anything else? | 19:52 |
| notmyname | ok, quickly moving on in the interest of time... | 19:53 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | briefly... | 19:53 |
| peluse | Trello is up to date... | 19:53 |
| peluse | Big topic at hackathon was around the reconstructor. WIP to update the design spec, ETA 1-2 days. | 19:53 |
| peluse | I think the main patch for review now is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124903/ from torgomatic | 19:53 |
| peluse | tsg will need it and some of the reconstructor work will need tsg's patches | 19:53 |
| peluse | ...also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112449/ can be reviewed anytime | 19:53 |
| notmyname | peluse: lol | 19:53 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 19:53 |
| peluse | heh, typed that in advance :) | 19:53 |
| notmyname | peluse: can you add those 2 patches to the priority reviews page under the EC section? | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | peluse: yeah, that one could use some feedback, keeping in mind that it's really more about groundwork for EC than it is for that particular etag-missing case | 19:54 |
| peluse | yup | 19:54 |
| tsg | ack | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | because dfg's right; that's way too much work for just that one little edge case | 19:54 |
| peluse | torgomatic, I'm guilty of not reviewing it myself but will do so today | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | sure, whenever :) | 19:54 |
| tsg | torgomatic: is the bigger concern md5 or mime? | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | tsg: both? | 19:55 |
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| peluse | tsg: see the comments in the patch from dfg | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | md5 is extra CPU, but the wacky MIME protocol is a big departure from how Swift's done things before, and it is definitely more complex | 19:55 |
| tsg | peluse: I did look .. it seemed like dfg was concerned about md5 | 19:55 |
| tsg | torgomatic: we can't not do md5 in the cases where we mangle data at proxy | 19:56 |
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| tsg | would going back to our non-mime approach make it a little less painful? | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | tsg: rather than have the design discussion in here (for the next 4 minutes), might be better to bring it to -swift | 19:57 |
| tsg | notmyname: sure | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | thanks :-) | 19:57 |
| peluse | or in the patch comments | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | yeah.. | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | #topic other stuff | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:57 | |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 19:57 |
| notmyname | hi dfg | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | thank you all for coming! | 19:58 |
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| zaitcev | sure | 19:58 |
| peluse | hasta | 19:58 |
| notmyname | see you next week at the normal time | 19:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 8 19:59:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-08-19.30.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-08-19.30.txt | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-08-19.30.log.html | 19:59 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: the chair is yours if you want it :) | 20:00 |
| NM | thank you guys :) | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 8 20:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hey | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| topol | o/ | 20:00 |
| tango | o/ | 20:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| spzala | Hi | 20:01 |
| CaioBrentano | hi | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, help - iti's 6am - where is the agenda | 20:01 |
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| skraynev | o/ | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| ryansb | o/ | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | lol | 20:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ryansb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | no coffee | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | agenda == coffee | 20:01 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-10-08_2000_UTC.29 | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | yeah | 20:01 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: that's just item 1. | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | #topic last weeks actions | 20:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "last weeks actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| zaneb | asalkeld: we should probably put discussing meeting times for Kilo on the agenda | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | ok - done | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-01-12.01.html | 20:03 |
| zaneb | (none) | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | yeah - just found that | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | moving on | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic new items | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | meeting times for Kilo | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic new items to the agenda | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | yip - i am agreeing with that! | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | i'll add one, cross project duties | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | should we spend spare time discussing Paris sessions? | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:06 |
| tspatzier | good idea, I was wondering when planning starts | 20:06 |
| zaneb | it's never too early | 20:06 |
| zaneb | sneaks up on you | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | ok, let's get into the topics | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | #topic meeting times for kilo | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | how are these meeting times working for everyone else? | 20:07 |
| tspatzier | fine for me | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | I don't feel too left out by missing every second one | 20:08 |
| ryansb | fine for me (us-east) | 20:08 |
| pas-ha | quite fine for me, although 1-2 hours earlier would not hurt | 20:08 |
| zaneb | fine for me ;) | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | i can do both (6am, 10pm for me) | 20:08 |
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| shardy | fine for me | 20:08 |
| zaneb | but the feedback I got 6 months ago is that folks feel really strongly that the PTL needs to be at both | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | maybe someone else can run the 6am one;) | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | lol | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | 9am here now, I can do some of them | 20:09 |
| * pas-ha remembers winter time when it is actually going to be 1 hour earlier | 20:09 | |
| topol | get a clone :-) | 20:09 |
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| asalkeld | and send him to europe | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | how is the attendence at the alt time? | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | last week it was smaller | 20:10 |
| zaneb | we've trained a few people on how to chair now, so it shouldn't be hard to find someone | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: typically it's not great | 20:10 |
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| pas-ha | we should also note that in a 2-3 weeks or so most of the world will shift clocks | 20:10 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: not everyone :) | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | (the rest of australia has just done that - but not brisbane, cos' we special) | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: are you in Russia? | 20:11 |
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| pas-ha | so if AU and asalkeld do it too it is going to be 5am for him | 20:11 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah :( | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | brisbane doesn't have "summer time" | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: how are the times for you? | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | cos' the weather is always awesome | 20:11 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, fine for you then :) | 20:11 |
| pas-ha | tru | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | ok, let's leave it until someone has a genius idea | 20:12 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I though it was because daylight savings is a socialist plot? | 20:12 |
| * asalkeld not genius atm | 20:12 | |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:12 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I am ok, just this meeting more difficult for me 12 AM - 1 AM, alt meeting is 4 PM (I mean local time) | 20:12 |
| ryansb | non-genius idea: how about move meeting one hour later, then it'll become one hour earlier in a month or so. | 20:12 |
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| ryansb | (due to daylight savings) | 20:13 |
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| asalkeld | ryansb, maybe - but that just makes it easier for pas-ha | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | ryansb: the bottom half of the world goes in the other direction | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | yep | 20:13 |
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| ryansb | hrm. right. Hemispheres. | 20:14 |
| ryansb | :( | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | it's fine for now | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | #topic midcycle meetup | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | ryansb: except for Brisbane, because they're "special" | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | who can talk to that ^ | 20:14 |
| mspreitz | Sorry I have to miss this week's meeting, got an overriding meeting. But remain interested in getting settlement on transition period for HARestarter. | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | speaking of special Brisbane, Red Hat could likely host a mid-cycle meetup there | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, ok - let's add it to the end | 20:15 |
| mspreitz | sorry, I will be driving | 20:15 |
| mspreitz | I will have to catch up later | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:15 |
| mspreitz | but if you guys agree on something great, I will be happy | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | in brisbane stevebaker? | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | hard for some people to get to, but easy for asalkeld and I | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: yes | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | no one will come but us | 20:16 |
| zaneb | btw kebray_ also offered a rackspace facility of our choice for a mid-cycle | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | just an idea. If it is combined with tripleo then there are a bunch of au and nz who would attend | 20:16 |
| topol | come back to Raleigh! | 20:16 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 on a trip to Brisbane ;) | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | Austin would be good too | 20:16 |
| zaneb | yes, Raleigh was an excellent location imho ;) | 20:16 |
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| * shardy worries about his flight cost | 20:17 | |
| topol | zaneb +++ | 20:17 |
| spzala | zaneb: +1 :) | 20:17 |
| zaneb | shardy: you won't say that after the plan flight. trust me. | 20:17 |
| zaneb | *plane | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | ok, maybe an etherpad with venues bla... | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | anyone want to drive this? | 20:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, I've done it before, jet lag was killer | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | help with organising | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | do we want to co-locate with tripleo? | 20:18 |
| shardy | sunshine and beer made up for it ;) | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | shardy, zaneb: ZERO sympathy | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | shardy, we have that here | 20:18 |
| shardy | stevebaker: lol ;) | 20:18 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: beer and sunshine? | 20:18 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: didn't expect any ;) | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, yip | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | probably no compelling reason to co-locate with tripleo at this point | 20:19 |
| skraynev | so go to Australia :) | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-midcycle-meetup | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | add ideas there ^ | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | i'll send an email to the mailing list too | 20:19 |
| ryansb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-midcycle-meetup | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | ask for venues/ideas | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | i'll move on | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | #topic CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | we need people to sign up | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | so if you have an interest, sign up pleaes | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | ooo, randall has signed up for docs | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | don't know what the question mark is for | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | I can do QA | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | not a good docs start | 20:22 |
| shardy | I can do oslo this time, unless therve is keen to continue | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | it's yours | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | awesome, done | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | that was easy | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | phew | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | #topic critical issue sync | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | are we looking at an rc2? | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: yes | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | kk | 20:24 |
| zaneb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:proposed/juno,n,z | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat+branch:proposed/juno,n,z | 20:25 |
| zaneb | that's a better link ^ | 20:25 |
| zaneb | shows the ones that have merged already | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | I didn't see anything else urgent, but if anybody has something, shout *now* | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | not from me | 20:25 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, all good? move on? | 20:26 |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc2 | 20:26 |
| zaneb | yep | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | #topic Request for python-heatclient project to adopt heat-translator | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | spzala: yo | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | tspatzier, spzala | 20:27 |
| spzala | stevebaker: :) Hi | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | $topic ^ | 20:27 |
| zaneb | technically only Programs can adopt projects</boring> | 20:27 |
| spzala | I added this in the agenda. Had a quick chat with zaneb and we thought it's good to discuss it in agenda. | 20:27 |
| zaneb | so it would be the Heat program doing the adopting | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | yeah, so I heard no strong objections on the ML? | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | i happy for heat to adopt the translator | 20:28 |
| zaneb | shardy had some questions, but I believe they're resolved? | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | I initially thought that heat-translator should have its on CLI tools to do transforms. | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | but is the client the best place? | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, +1 | 20:28 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah I think we resolved them on the ML | 20:28 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: so at this stage we're just adopting the repo as it is | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | ok sounds fine to me | 20:29 |
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| tspatzier | what would adopt really mean? | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | I'm happy for the project to adopt heat-translator, but I don't think python-heatclient should take heat-translator as a dependency and be responsable for transformations | 20:29 |
| shardy | I still somewhat thing integrating all-the-things into heatclient is a bit non-unixy, but if that's what folks want then fair enough | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | i haven't test driven the code at all tho' | 20:29 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: where the code fits in the architecture is still a good discussion for the future though | 20:29 |
| shardy | my main concern was the scope not aligning with what heat can do long term etc | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | shardy, for now it's just a part of heat program | 20:30 |
| spzala | asalkeld: zaneb: agree, we can do a code walk through somet | 20:30 |
| spzala | ime if that's a good idea | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | shardy: my idea was that heat-translator would become an anything->anything transformer, not just tosca->hot | 20:30 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: it would mean the project officially comes under the OpenStack (and Heat) umbrella | 20:30 |
| spzala | stevebaker: that's true | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, isn't there a checklist you made | 20:31 |
| spzala | stevebaker: I remember that's what we discussed when starting the project | 20:31 |
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| topol | zaneb, I thin its simlar to what identity did with pycadf | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | it would move to the openstack/ git namespace | 20:31 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, that's cool, my question was really what happens if $anything is not in scope for heat | 20:31 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: ok, thanks. but no big move arounds of code etc, right? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that was being discussed in the TC, but events have overtaken it for now | 20:31 |
| shardy | e.g non-simple tosca | 20:31 |
| zaneb | topol: yeah | 20:31 |
| shardy | then we have a translation tool owned by us which we can't fully maintain | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, ok - but maybe we run through that anyway? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: it moves from stackforge/heat-translator to openstack/heat-translator, and that's about it for now | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: we could consider using stevedore to allow out-of-tree transformations to be integrated with heat-translator | 20:32 |
| topol | shardy, the cores for heat translation dont go anywhere | 20:32 |
| tspatzier | shardy: if $anything would be out of scope for heat, it would be out of scope for heat-translator as well by definition, IMO | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Sure, making it pluggable makes sense | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | spzala: are there plans for a command line tool? | 20:32 |
| topol | shardy what we did with pycadf is the core for pycadf remained and then all the keystone cores were added to pycadf | 20:32 |
| spzala | stevebaker: yes, that's how I see it for now as a commad line tool | 20:33 |
| shardy | tspatzier: Ok, provided the output is destined for heat then sounds good to me | 20:33 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, what is that thing the tc asks from projcets - what is the core functionality? | 20:33 |
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| asalkeld | would the translator be a part of that? | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | my guess is no | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | shardy: I think that's the plan for now. Everything else would have to be a layer on-top. | 20:34 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: so the TC doesn't currently have a process for evaluating this | 20:34 |
| zaneb | imho it's not out of scope | 20:34 |
| topol | asalkeld what dolphm did was add something to a governance doc somehwere | 20:34 |
| zaneb | although if I ever finish the mission statement it would be easier to agree on that ;) | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | but you gave someone a list of features that work "core" didn't you? | 20:34 |
| topol | so pycadf was listed as part of the keystone world | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | s/work/were | 20:35 |
| dolphm | topol: https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/programs.yaml#L54 | 20:35 |
| topol | I think there is a process and dolphm would know it | 20:35 |
| topol | dolphm, THANKS | 20:35 |
| dolphm | topol: just propose changes to openstack/governance | 20:35 |
| dolphm | via gerrit | 20:35 |
| spzala | thanks dolphm | 20:35 |
| zaneb | i.e. no process ;) | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | well i don't see any "no don't add it" | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | so spzala just send a patch to that i guess | 20:36 |
| dolphm | the TC will eventually put it on the agenda for discussion, and might request a mailing list discussion to establish precedence depending on the complexity of the issue | 20:36 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: what the TC will look for is agreement from the project | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | ok thanks dolphm | 20:36 |
| zaneb | which is the purpose of this meeting | 20:36 |
| spzala | asalked: patch for the file dolphm just mentioned ? | 20:36 |
| zaneb | so if we're agreed we should #agree to note it in the minutes | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | spzala: moving projects might still require gerrit downtime, so you'll need to coordinate with #openstack-infra | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | spzala, phew 'what ever is needed' | 20:37 |
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| spzala | :-) | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | #agree add the translator to the orch. progam? | 20:37 |
| spzala | stevebaker: sure will do it | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | can we see some +/-1's | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:38 |
| shardy | +1 | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | +1 | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | +1 | 20:38 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: #agree isn't usually a question ;) you're thinking of #vote | 20:38 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: it needs to be #agreed | 20:38 |
| spzala | this is great. THANKS everyone!!! | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 20:38 |
| jpeeler | +1 | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | #agreed add the translator to the orch. progam | 20:38 |
| skraynev | +1 | 20:38 |
| ryansb | \o/ | 20:38 |
| * asalkeld seeems to be newbie'ish | 20:38 | |
| asalkeld | right what's next | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | did i miss anything, or is it open discussion time? | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | I have a PSA | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | a what? | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | public service announcement | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: TMI... oh | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | #topic speak stevebaker | 20:40 |
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| asalkeld | :) | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | the check-heat-dsvm-functional job is now running real tests and passing, but it is still non-voting. So please take note of it if it fails on your change. | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | ooo, nice | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | that is all. Back to your regularly scheduled open discussion | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | what does dvsm mean? | 20:42 |
| shardy | stevebaker: awesome! | 20:42 |
| zaneb | I always wanted to know | 20:42 |
| ryansb | sweet | 20:42 |
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| pas-ha | devstack machine? | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: devstack virtual mumble mumble | 20:42 |
| shardy | Perhaps we can get that voting soon, so we don't just revert every test which finds a bug ;) | 20:42 |
| zaneb | shardy: that's crazy talk | 20:43 |
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| skraynev | shardy: may be will be better to have one or two bug days to fiix all these bugs ?:) | 20:43 |
| ryansb | Devstack Virtual Something Mumble | 20:43 |
| tspatzier | another question: I've seen "-Core-Review" statuses in gerrit recently, i.e. no score or so. What does it mean? Some change in gerrit? | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | ah, its dsvm Dev Stack Virtual Machine | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | tspatzier, that's stevebaker removing the -2? | 20:45 |
| tspatzier | ah, I meant "-Code-Review" | 20:45 |
| pas-ha | tspatzier, I believe it was -Code-Review | 20:45 |
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| tspatzier | pas-ha: :) right | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | reverse ban hammer | 20:45 |
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| tspatzier | so moving from -2 to -1? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | should be -2 to 0 | 20:45 |
| zaneb | yeah, it does that when you set the vote back to 0 | 20:45 |
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| asalkeld | also don't forget to review specs people | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | mike has a bunch that need discussion | 20:46 |
| tspatzier | ah, makes sense. | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | imho the ha ones need a summit session | 20:46 |
| tspatzier | asalkeld: +1 | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | not convinced about the balancing one either | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | weren't summit sessions supposed to be on the agenda for today? | 20:47 |
| shardy | asalkeld: +1, the ImmediateResource one in particular is a puzzling one | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | is this HA of heat or HA of nova servers? | 20:47 |
| * shardy is still processing that | 20:47 | |
| tspatzier | zaneb: yeah, when do we start collecting topics? | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | guests | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: now https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 20:47 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | note: also be aware of the cross project one | 20:47 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: thanks | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | that ^ has an HA (but of services) | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | for the testing session it would be good to start with tempest, then in-tree integration, then in-tree functional, then unit tests. That way there could be QA folk who can come for the start then leave mid session | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I actually wish python-*clients ran our _unit_ tests in their gates | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | #action please add topics to the summit topic etherpad | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld send email to ml re: midcycle meetup | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I suggested that and the response was outrage | 20:51 |
| kebray | hello.. long time since I've been able to join. just tuning in. | 20:51 |
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| asalkeld | hi kebray | 20:51 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: lol. link? | 20:51 |
| zaneb | kebray: o/ :) | 20:51 |
| kebray | still open topics? | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:52 |
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| kebray | cool.. so, fyi, we've finally moved off our proprietary orchestration system.. moved all our customers to Heat now. | 20:52 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg29660.html | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | well done kebray | 20:53 |
| kebray | eh, it wasn't me.. but thank you to the team. | 20:53 |
| kebray | you all helped too :-) | 20:53 |
| zaneb | wow, that's exciting, congrats y'all! | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | kebray, feedback would be great too | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | operations sticking points etc... | 20:53 |
| kebray | I think it's a big win for OpenStack heat. Yeah. will definitely have some feedback. Unfortunately I didn't get a talk in to the summit this time. | 20:53 |
| zaneb | kebray: maybe we can get that into the operator (or design) summit? | 20:54 |
| zaneb | the talk you did last time was really useful | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | kebray, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 20:54 |
| kebray | thx zaneb ... yeah, I need to refresh it. | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | kebray: yay! fyi there is finally action on a chef software-config hook. Now would be a good time to get involved if you're still considering migrating your ChefSolo resources to it | 20:54 |
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| kebray | k.. makes since stevebaker. My staff has thinned out a bit :-( working to build it back up. | 20:55 |
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| stevebaker | kebray: ok, we're getting closer to everything working on keystone v2 too, by using swift TempURLs | 20:56 |
| kebray | nice. | 20:56 |
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| asalkeld | 3mins left | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | sounds like we're out of puff | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | i am | 20:58 |
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| asalkeld | i'll put us out of our misery | 20:59 |
| zaneb | nap time ;) | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 8 20:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-08-20.00.html | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-08-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-08-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | thanks all | 20:59 |
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