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| krotscheck | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 15:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Who’s here? | 15:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | Oh good, we’ve got some people. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic RabbitMQ failures. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RabbitMQ failures. (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:02 | |
| fungi | that's all solved now? | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | Verified with jeblair last week that the application is now reconnecting. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | So that’s all solved. | 15:02 |
| fungi | awesome | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Launchpad Migration | 15:03 |
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| mordred | o/ | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | This came up in the infra meeting, and a few questions were raised. | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | So last week I did a full import of all the projects that need to be migrated, hit all the snags, and applied patches to handle data edge cases. | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | (on a local instance) | 15:04 |
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| krotscheck | The only outstanding issue is preserving id's. | 15:04 |
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| krotscheck | Which I _think_ landed? | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Wait, no. | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | It’s this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123821/ | 15:05 |
| * mordred goes to look | 15:05 | |
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| krotscheck | ttx: In response to your comment, the changes in writer.py are intentional- we are mapping the launchpad ID’s directly to the db index in storyboard. | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | I can change the commit message though | 15:06 |
| ttx | krotscheck: right, it just felt like the commit message only mentioned the autoincrement, so I was wondering | 15:06 |
| mordred | krotscheck: ah - looks good | 15:06 |
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| krotscheck | Got it. I’ll get that fixed and the inrement message updated. | 15:06 |
| mordred | krotscheck: I like setting the auto increment id as a command line argument | 15:06 |
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| ttx | I can +2 it if you change the commit message and post the new patchset now :) | 15:07 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Urm, lemme finish the meeting first :0 | 15:08 |
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| ttx | ack | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | (Also, that one’s buried) | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | (In a commit history, so blargh) | 15:08 |
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| krotscheck | #topic server:prod no longer worsk. | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "server:prod no longer worsk. (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:08 | |
| krotscheck | So ttx ran into an issue with testing things last week, in that the command of grunt server:prod no longer proxies properly. | 15:09 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I had no idea fixing it would be so... convoluted. But I guess those are valuable changes anyway | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | It _looks_ like the reason is that the grunt proxy attaches the ‘on-behalf-of’ header with an http url, and the API server is now forcing the protocol redirect to https, which makes everything break. | 15:09 |
| mordred | oh nice | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | So the options to fix it were either: A- make storyboard not do that (which, well, why? That’s actually a sane behavior) | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | B- Make every engineer install a self-signed certificate and run a local https grunt server (lots of extra steps in the dev setup) | 15:10 |
| * mordred shudders | 15:10 | |
| krotscheck | C- Teach storyboard to do CORS, and just have the js-docs-draft build consume the production API. | 15:11 |
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| * mordred feels like he was just reading a patch for C | 15:11 | |
| krotscheck | And, well, C is something we wanted anyway, so that UI reviewers don’t have to download and reinstall storyboard every time. | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | So that’s what I did. | 15:11 |
| * mordred woots | 15:12 | |
| krotscheck | The reason it’s urgent is because it’s blocking UI code reviews, and it was unexpected work. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | There are 7 more outstanding patches to make all that work, but right now they only seem to be held up on a merge conflict. | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | And it impacts config, projects-config, puppet-storyboard, storyboard, and storyboard-webclient. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | Any questions on that? Should I paste all the links in here or add them to the agenda? | 15:13 |
| mordred | krotscheck: is there an order that things need to land to unbock things? | 15:14 |
| mordred | krotscheck: also, do they all share a topic I can search for? | 15:14 |
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| mordred | I get five things with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:cors,n,z | 15:14 |
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| krotscheck | They don’t share a topic, sorry :/ | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | The order should be listed in the code review. | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | Sec... | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | All CR’s added to the agenda | 15:15 |
| mordred | cool | 15:15 |
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| krotscheck | Any other questions before moving on? | 15:16 |
| ttx | nope clear enough | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Story Types | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Story Types (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:17 | |
| krotscheck | ttx: ANy progress on a spec? | 15:17 |
| ttx | krotscheck: no, got buried under other tasks unfortunately | 15:17 |
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| krotscheck | Cool, let’s discuss next week. | 15:18 |
| ttx | but it's still alive on my TODO list, which means it's not *too* buried. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion - new | 15:18 |
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| krotscheck | Any new discussion/design topics? | 15:18 |
| * ttx needs to write more text to exercise his new mechanical keyboard | 15:18 | |
| * mordred has to step away for a sec - will read scrollback/meeting notes when he gets back and review the cors stuff | 15:18 | |
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| krotscheck | kk | 15:19 |
| fungi | or we could just talk about ttx's new mechanical keyboard | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP 1.1 - Subscription | 15:19 |
| ttx | fungi: love it so far | 15:19 |
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| krotscheck | So, subscription is currently held up on a few things. | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | Firstly, this review; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104004/ | 15:20 |
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| krotscheck | SergeyLukjanov has explicitly asked (in the comments) that NikitaKonovalov review it as well. | 15:20 |
| ttx | krotscheck: yeah, that's why I didn't Workflow+1 it | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | So hopefully NikitaKonovalov will get around to it :) (I pinged him last week) | 15:21 |
| krotscheck | Also, the worker-daemon management landed (it’s neat! | 15:22 |
| ttx | krotscheck: we shouldn't hold indefinitely though | 15:22 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Well, it’s been a week. I figure if he hasn’t gotten around to it by next monday we’ll put it in. | 15:22 |
| ttx | ok, fair enough | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Next steps on worker daemons is the puppet bits and the config bits. | 15:23 |
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| krotscheck | The first of those is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113937/ | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | I abandoned the projects-config one because it was originally proposed to config | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | Having said that, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114404/ is the dashboard version of it, and I think it’s aged out now :/ | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | But once that’s back on the correct history, it should be mergeable without requiring the workers to work. | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | It’ll just show nothing for a while :/ | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | So I guess my question is: Do we land the UI things before subscriptions are actually functional? | 15:25 |
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| krotscheck | The API already supports subscribing and reading events, so the UI won’t break if they land, it’ll just… well, people will expect things to work and I anticipate a bunch of people asking “Hey, I clicked on subscribe and nothing happened" | 15:26 |
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| ttx | hmm | 15:27 |
| * krotscheck can go either way | 15:27 | |
| ttx | I guess at this point we can afford it | 15:27 |
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| ttx | maybe not a general rule though | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | So, let’s land them once it’s actually working, so that we get into the habit of not exposing users to half-baked features :) | 15:28 |
| ttx | balance the inconvenience of not merging it , vs. the inconvenience of people asking wtf | 15:28 |
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| krotscheck | Fair point. | 15:29 |
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| ttx | at this point I'm pretty sure not so many people will wtf, but the balance will change fast (I hope) | 15:30 |
| krotscheck | Another random question I have for python experts is whether we want to run the workers as an independent daemon, or whether we want to have them be spawned by the long-running wsgi process so that they’re automatically there whenever storyboard is installed. | 15:30 |
| krotscheck | Right now we’re doing the first, but I feel that installing will be way easier if we do the second. I just don’t know if it’s feasible (I don’t know enough about wsgi) | 15:30 |
| ttx | I don't have a strong opinion on that -- but I suspect others could :) | 15:30 |
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| krotscheck | Right, so we’ll leave that question open for anyone who comes back to read the backscroll. | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | Onward! | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Project Groups | 15:31 |
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| krotscheck | No progress. | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Tags | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tags (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:31 | |
| krotscheck | No progress | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Emails | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Emails (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:31 | |
| krotscheck | No Progress | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open discussion | 15:31 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: we should plan to have a storyboard session at the design summit again | 15:32 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: I agree. Also, UX testing with new things. | 15:32 |
| ttx | maybe use one of the very few infra "scheduled slots" for it | 15:32 |
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| fungi | i'm on-board with that suggestion | 15:32 |
| krotscheck | I’m doing a lightning talk on monday called “Lightning Walkthrough: StoryBoard” to drum up some interest and recruit UX victims^C^C^C^C^C^Cparticipants | 15:32 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: the plan for infra is to have 4 scheduled slots and a full day of meetup | 15:33 |
| fungi | since it has an impact across all projects, ultimately, and isn't easily tackled via an ml discussion | 15:33 |
| fungi | e.g. running demo on projector, q&a, et cetera | 15:33 |
| ttx | so the scheduled slots need to be used for stuff that would welcome outside participation/feedback | 15:33 |
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| fungi | right, its reach also goes beyond just our developer community | 15:34 |
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| krotscheck | Treating it like a first-class citizen will also make people realize that they can’t keep ignoring it. | 15:34 |
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| ttx | fungi: infra didn't post an etherpad for planning at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning yet | 15:35 |
| ttx | so I didn't add it :) | 15:35 |
| fungi | ttx: oops! i'll do that today. thanks for the heads up | 15:35 |
| ttx | I wasn't &0% sure you didn't already have one | 15:35 |
| ttx | 100% | 15:35 |
| fungi | i haven't seen one, so i have to assume we do not | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey. | 15:36 |
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| fungi | but we will, shortly, and in tomorrow's meeting i'll prod meeting attendees to start chucking ideas at it | 15:36 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: Do you want me to put storyboard migration back on the agenda now that we’ve got the issues from last week worked out? | 15:37 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: well, jeblair's on vacation so we probably don't want to go trying to coordinate a cut-over while he's not around (then again, maybe we should!) | 15:38 |
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| krotscheck | Well, let’s put it on there. There’s no guarantee that we’ll get around to it anyway. | 15:39 |
| fungi | sure | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | And we can always leave it on the agenda. | 15:39 |
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| krotscheck | Alrightey, anything else? | 15:39 |
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| fungi | honestly i haven't looked at the agenda yet and have no idea how much we're trying to cram in tomorrow | 15:40 |
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| fungi | so good enough | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Oh. SB Migration is still on there. | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Well then. | 15:40 |
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| fungi | wfm | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Alright, if there aren’t any more discussion topics out there i’ll close up the meeting. | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | Bueller? Bueller? | 15:41 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, thanks everyone | 15:41 |
| fungi | sounds like a resounding "no" | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 15:41:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-29-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-29-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
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| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 16:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone ! | 16:01 |
| NikolayM | ok, let's start | 16:01 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | 1. akuznetsova, nmakhotkin: split all examples and test them in parallel | 16:02 |
| NikolayM | it was done before release | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | akuznetsova, is it right? | 16:03 |
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| dzimine | hi ! | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | akuznetsova, are you with us today? | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | hi dzimine! | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | looks like she is not | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | #topic Current status | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | I know we made the new release - Mistral 0.1 | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | And last week we didn't do some specific things | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | I fixed some small bugs | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | anyone else? | 16:09 |
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| dzimine | rakhmerov and I met on Fri and discussed a next batch of work for 0.1.1 (or however we call it). | 16:09 |
| dzimine | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-DZ-RA | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | oh, cool | 16:10 |
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| NikolayM | this week I think we'll discuss it in details and implement :) | 16:11 |
| dzimine | in summary, it's callbacks on workflow/task completion, "join" for direct workflow, "multiple tasks" for direct workflow, and task affinity. | 16:11 |
| dzimine | Yes Renat will turn them into blueprints and we begin implementing. | 16:11 |
| dzimine | event callbacks go to wchan or to myself. The rest we'll see. | 16:11 |
| dzimine | I think we need to begin some "at scale" tests right away. | 16:12 |
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| NikolayM | #topic Open discussion | 16:13 |
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| NikolayM | dzimine, would you like to discuss something? | 16:14 |
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| dzimine | nothing much on my side, other than that topic - "start running Mistral at some scale & concurrency and see how it breaks and fix. | 16:14 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Hi guys, sorry I am late | 16:15 |
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| NikolayM | ok, I agree | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | you mean multiple tasks immidiately? | 16:15 |
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| NikolayM | hi akuznetsova! | 16:15 |
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| dzimine | Yes. | 16:16 |
| dzimine | Run it locally in, say, 2 vm setup with multiple executors, all components separete, and give it some load via API. | 16:16 |
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| dzimine | any parallelism - to begin catching interesting things which I am sure are there. | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | we try to fix these problems if there are | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | akuznetsova, is something from your side to discuss? | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | if no, let's wrap up | 16:19 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Nothing | 16:20 |
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| NikolayM | ok, thanks guys ! | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:20 |
| akuznetsova_ | Bye | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 16:21:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-29-16.01.html | 16:21 |
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| sarob | morning/evening | 17:00 |
| dbite | morning/evening :D | 17:01 |
| sayali | hello | 17:01 |
| sarob | dbite: i have to run to a meeting | 17:01 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:01 |
| sarob | dbite: can run today's meeting? | 17:01 |
| dbite | ok sure | 17:01 |
| sarob | dbite: i will catch up later on the ML and channel | 17:01 |
| sarob | dbite: thx! | 17:01 |
| sarob | bye | 17:01 |
| dbite | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 17:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| dbite | #topic audio-visual | 17:02 |
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| dbite | sayali: go on, you are the team lead | 17:02 |
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| dbite | reed: can we discuss it here, sorry for the inconvenience | 17:03 |
| reed | sure | 17:03 |
| sayali | So I was planning on recording our first videos for the AV content since ill be going to a university for an OpenStack event | 17:03 |
| dbite | the only concern from my side for a private video channel is that its content will be privately owned | 17:04 |
| dbite | otherwise I dont mind using private channel | 17:04 |
| sayali | So I was thinking since I will be giving a talk on devstack and a demo of the osbash it would be good to record it | 17:04 |
| sayali | and we can have a test patch too for new recordings | 17:05 |
| dbite | reed: good news, you can create another channel with the given user id in google | 17:05 |
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| reed | dbite, I understand the concern of having an individual owning a shared resource but I don't see an easy way out because of the way YouTube manages identities | 17:05 |
| dbite | I see, but for me I can create another channel | 17:05 |
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| dbite | which ialso creates another G+ account for me | 17:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | what about vimeo? | 17:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | a shared account maybe? | 17:06 |
| sayali | who will fund that? | 17:06 |
| dbite | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgOEmbfu5XVW4g_HP-0URGQ?guided_help_flow=3&ytsession=4mvBhRcHZjaT9YlEBCC8bfkIt6GQk2R-P7Q1keJOuLIjHNHSKGob26V_5mgQQ05xCR2FXS-nimEDgH7XD308qPp4fKGvjreuuKuh5YIln7fLxstqHWapQNCeDJmxuwpBEGaYiuqJ6iuJdiJLujg5DagOv21TGzKayZhFs2UV9aDl5Ba-HCc3SuzjQlMII8_7XR9B3oMmUZJ8LmdwwivhU1JMd88L4iPorSi9Fq0YfdVuiYcsb32bcoiW5LWVlXzvLo1R11z6a_8_xIrx-ODJKSam0V1yOM5-c8A-oi2-7HjzfP2FRVeDRm7qijKk-QOypurguCFvIhni2GnoADxNxQ | 17:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | i thought vimeo had free basic membership as well | 17:08 |
| reed | dbite, cool | 17:08 |
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| dbite | what do you think? | 17:10 |
| dbite | what should be the solution for this | 17:10 |
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| sayali | I think if we can change the ownership after a while it would be good | 17:11 |
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| rluethi | It may be hard to change ownership with any of these services. What are the assets you really want to transfer? Videos? Playlist? Playlist name? | 17:12 |
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| sayali | the entire channel | 17:12 |
| dbite | rluethi: it is easy and possible to transfer the ownership | 17:12 |
| sayali | under the official openstack foundation | 17:12 |
| sayali | As of now acess to all of us would be good | 17:13 |
| rluethi | dbite: if you say so. that's good then, problem solved!? | 17:13 |
| dbite | yes, for now I will own the channel | 17:14 |
| dbite | I will try to share the ownership with the team | 17:14 |
| dbite | so that I dont feel like being a sell out :( | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | anyway, they can change their terms anytime. we should design the process to be robust no matter than the hosting service or any of our contributors does. | 17:15 |
| dbite | yes | 17:15 |
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| dbite | moving on from this topic | 17:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 17:15 |
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| dbite | anyone has any questions? | 17:15 |
| sayali | ShillaSaebi: Also you had some videos too right? | 17:16 |
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| sayali | comcast training videos you had mentioned | 17:16 |
| reed | looking good, dbite | 17:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah i have some internal ones we use | 17:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can show them to you | 17:17 |
| sayali | sure, that would be good | 17:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 17:18 |
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| sayali | also a short sumary of the content covered in them would be useful to screen them | 17:18 |
| sayali | summary* | 17:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 17:19 |
| dbite | #info Audio Visual channel for now is located here https://www.youtube.com/user/trainingguides | 17:20 |
| dbite | anything else for AV? | 17:20 |
| sayali | #action ShillaSaebi will send comcast internal video | 17:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | yup | 17:21 |
| dbite | moving on then | 17:21 |
| sayali | #info Will be recording devstacka nd osbash videos at OpenStack event in Amity university. | 17:21 |
| dbite | #topic infra | 17:22 |
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| dbite | infra team, hows it going? | 17:22 |
| rluethi | dbite: talking to yourself? :) | 17:22 |
| dbite | you are the lead too! | 17:22 |
| rluethi | Well, I would like to hear how osbash testing has been going for core reviewers. | 17:23 |
| dbite | from my side, it works on my three machines | 17:23 |
| dbite | perfect it works | 17:23 |
| dbite | for 4 GB i5, 8GB i5 and i7 16 GB machines | 17:23 |
| dbite | for me | 17:23 |
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| rluethi | so I guess we are ready to push it outside our group!? | 17:24 |
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| dbite | yes from my side | 17:24 |
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| rluethi | apparently there is nobody else :) | 17:25 |
| sayali | works for me too :) | 17:25 |
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| dbite | there are a few weird use cases which we did not consider | 17:25 |
| rluethi | sayali: good to hear | 17:25 |
| dbite | I guess we should discuss it later after the meeting | 17:25 |
| sayali | i will be running it at the university too as a demo | 17:25 |
| rluethi | dbite: yes, I am aware of some limitations, too | 17:25 |
| rluethi | I have a proof of concept single node script. | 17:26 |
| dbite | more than limitations its like we did not consider some scenarios | 17:26 |
| dbite | clea | 17:26 |
| rluethi | not sure if it saves much and is worth it, though. | 17:26 |
| dbite | clearly we need to add more usecases | 17:26 |
| rluethi | and it's rather experimental. | 17:26 |
| rluethi | but it does seem to work. | 17:26 |
| dbite | ok | 17:26 |
| dbite | feel free to push it | 17:26 |
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| dbite | anything else to report? | 17:27 |
| rluethi | sarob came just back to report about his test results. | 17:27 |
| rluethi | no? | 17:27 |
| dbite | rluethi: are you joking or you serious? | 17:27 |
| dbite | ok, moving on then | 17:28 |
| rluethi | I don't know. I saw him come back, I'd love to hear what he found. | 17:28 |
| rluethi | yeah, let's move on | 17:28 |
| dbite | #topic docs | 17:28 |
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| dbite | docs needs updates, I had a meeting with Ajaeger and finally concluded that we need to push the tools to tools folder under the repository | 17:29 |
| dbite | for the initial phase | 17:29 |
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| dbite | any questions? | 17:30 |
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| dbite | suggestions? | 17:30 |
| rluethi | when do you expect the push? | 17:30 |
| dbite | its ready | 17:30 |
| dbite | I will push it in a day or two | 17:31 |
| rluethi | k | 17:31 |
| dbite | I need to figure out how to get it triggered | 17:31 |
| dbite | withe the jenkins jobs | 17:31 |
| dbite | and with tox | 17:31 |
| rluethi | oh, by the way: I'd like to add some docs for the labs scripts, probably on the wiki. something that can be changed without going through reviews. | 17:32 |
| dbite | any thing else on docs? | 17:32 |
| dbite | rluethi: wiki part sounds great | 17:33 |
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| dbite | also I was thinking of providing a short chapter on how to use oslabs | 17:33 |
| rluethi | I don't think there is a wiki page for the scripts yet. | 17:33 |
| dbite | since people need to know how to use it! | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | at least I couldn't find one. So I will just go ahead and create one, if nobody objects. | 17:34 |
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| dbite | #action dguitarbite will create oslabs wiki page and add chapter in the docs | 17:34 |
| dbite | ahh, yes no issues | 17:34 |
| dbite | #action rluethi will work on the wiki for labs section | 17:34 |
| dbite | moving on | 17:34 |
| dbite | #topic testing | 17:34 |
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| dbite | Matjazp around? | 17:35 |
| dbite | can anyone fill in for him? | 17:35 |
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| dbite | ok, lets postpone this for next meeting | 17:36 |
| dbite | #topic anything else | 17:36 |
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| dbite | anyone wants to share something | 17:37 |
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| sayali | I would like any inputs on whats need to be added or showcased specifically to the osbash related stuff I would be demonstrating | 17:38 |
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| dbite | rluethi: glory time! | 17:38 |
| dbite | matjazp: hello | 17:38 |
| matjazp | hi guys | 17:38 |
| rluethi | matjazp: hey | 17:38 |
| dbite | can you fill in for testing? | 17:38 |
| dbite | #topic testing | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | sayali: let's talk about this after the meeting. | 17:39 |
| matjazp | sorry for beeing so late.. we have a grand opening of our new building... Duty calls | 17:39 |
| sayali | rluethi: sure | 17:39 |
| dbite | matjazp: you are right on time | 17:39 |
| matjazp | great | 17:39 |
| sayali | hi matjazp | 17:39 |
| matjazp | nothing new to report for Testing | 17:39 |
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| matjazp | still working on Network node Quiz | 17:39 |
| dbite | ok | 17:40 |
| matjazp | hi sayali | 17:40 |
| dbite | #topic general discussion | 17:40 |
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| dbite | sayali: can you propose what you are planning to demonstrate during the university presentation? | 17:40 |
| sayali | Well the audience that would be present at the event are students who have little or no idea about OpenStack and cloud in general. Which are the people we are targetting for the training guides | 17:42 |
| sayali | So I was thinking of one demo on devstack for those interested in development | 17:42 |
| sayali | and the other showcasing osbash for them to be able to start playing around with multi node | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sayali: I assume you will be using Linux!? | 17:43 |
| sayali | yes I have arch linux on my machine, so it will be on that | 17:43 |
| dbite | with Windows8 theme mod | 17:43 |
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| sayali | lol | 17:44 |
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| sayali | what would be that main things to be focused on where osbash is concerned? | 17:45 |
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| rluethi | some of the main points are: | 17:46 |
| rluethi | works (or should work) out of the box, no configuration required | 17:46 |
| rluethi | multi-platform (Linux, OS X, and Windows) | 17:46 |
| rluethi | no dependencies other than VirtualBox | 17:47 |
| dbite | I would not involve Windows for now | 17:47 |
| dbite | because we need linux hosts to generate windows scripts | 17:47 |
| rluethi | dbite: agreed. | 17:47 |
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| rluethi | dbite: OTOH, if you want to try OpenStack and all you have is a Windows system, it's pretty much the option you've got. | 17:48 |
| dbite | yes | 17:48 |
| dbite | but I also can imagine 90% of the students asking her to run it for her | 17:48 |
| dbite | *for them | 17:48 |
| dbite | it would be a nightmare | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | you only need to run it once. we could even host them somewhere. | 17:49 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: if you have a Windows system, like Windos 8 or 8.1, you can run Hyper-V and the rest of Hyper-V components in a Linux VM | 17:49 |
| dbite | is hper-V provided for free on Windows? | 17:49 |
| matjazp | rluethi: +1 for hosting Win scripts directly | 17:49 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: using Hyper-V itself as Nova compute node | 17:49 |
| dbite | *hyper-v | 17:49 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: and what's building the cluster? | 17:49 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: yes | 17:50 |
| dbite | ahh, for the home users? | 17:50 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: for everybody | 17:50 |
| dbite | I dont know it as I dont use windows | 17:50 |
| dbite | that sounds great | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: we could make a custom job to run scripts for Win and publishes them when we merge new patch | 17:50 |
| dbite | alexpilotti: our concern on how to run shell scripts on windows | 17:51 |
| rluethi | matjazp: sure. | 17:51 |
| dbite | as we need to run them as of now, to generate batch scripts | 17:51 |
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| dbite | matjazp: It should go in my pocket of toolsets I am implementing | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | dbite: yes... in the mean time, we could do it manually | 17:52 |
| dbite | #action dguitarbite add osbash trigger to generate windows scripts on every change to the repository | 17:52 |
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| alexpilotti | dbite: you can run bash scripts on Windows, but in general it’s easier to use a Linux VM | 17:52 |
| dbite | matjazp: agreed | 17:52 |
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| dbite | alexpolotti: may be using Cygwin | 17:52 |
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| dbite | but our job is to keep it simple for our users | 17:52 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: Windows has it’s own scripting language, called Powershell | 17:52 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: msys or cygwin | 17:53 |
| rluethi | guys, we are trying to build a solution that is easy to use, not something only Windows power users can install. | 17:53 |
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| alexpilotti | rluethi: people using a shell are power users for you? :-) | 17:54 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: powershell is on my wishlist. right now we have batch scripts. | 17:54 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: I’d go with a Linux VM on Windows ATM | 17:54 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: Windows users who install cygwin are. | 17:54 |
| dbite | alexpilotti: can I also run KVM on windows? | 17:54 |
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| alexpilotti | rluethi: Windows users that use git are power users for you? | 17:54 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: because git comes with msys | 17:55 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: so you have bash and all the rest | 17:55 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: pretty much, yes. | 17:55 |
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| dbite | alexpilotti: we are trying to teach people OpeNstack if we add other stuff on top of it then it will be a nightmare for the students | 17:55 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: maybe my expectations for Windows users are too low. | 17:55 |
| dbite | and yes people who know stuff like Cygwin, Git etc. are prettymuch powerusers of Windows | 17:55 |
| alexpilotti | rluethi: I guess that if someone is installing OpenStack and has no clue about git, there’s quite a long road ahead :-) | 17:56 |
| dbite | rluethi: may be even mine! | 17:56 |
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| alexpilotti | rluethi: assumptions are not good | 17:56 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: right. I just want people to be able to try a cluster on their computer without installing and learning other tools. | 17:56 |
| dbite | alexpilotti: we are talking about the people who are just learning the dashboard | 17:57 |
| rluethi | alexpilotti: we are _always_ making assumptions. | 17:57 |
| dbite | we cannot expect them to learn or use git and other similar tools | 17:57 |
| matjazp | let's just publish the scripts and see the feedback from Win users :) | 17:57 |
| dbite | they just need a one click install solution! | 17:57 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: we’re working on that for WIndows | 17:57 |
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| dbite | alexpilotti: I would love to discuss it with you in detail, but it is out of scope for our project | 17:58 |
| dbite | supporting Hyper-V is not in our roadmap | 17:58 |
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| alexpilotti | dbite: sure, I’ll keep an eye on it | 17:58 |
| dbite | till Hyper-V open ups its source code | 17:58 |
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| rluethi | alexpilotti: who is working on that for Windows? is there a project page? | 17:58 |
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| reed | dbite, sounds weird that you want to educate new openstack sysadmins without them knowing git... what sort of students are these? | 17:59 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: well, Hyper-V is offcicially a supported hypervisor in OpenStack | 17:59 |
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| dbite | reed: the initial training on the dashboard and CLI tools | 17:59 |
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| dbite | they do not need to learn Git | 17:59 |
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| dbite | and its not about a book | 17:59 |
| dbite | it is about the labs section | 17:59 |
| dbite | under the training guides | 17:59 |
| reed | dbite, so they don't need to deploy openstack, it's already running for them? | 17:59 |
| dbite | we want the labs to be build with a single command | 17:59 |
| dbite | time up | 18:00 |
| rluethi | reed: yes | 18:00 |
| dbite | lets continue on docs channel | 18:00 |
| matjazp | yes bye all | 18:00 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 18:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-29-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-29-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-29-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
| dbite | bye | 18:00 |
| dbite | nice talking to you guys | 18:00 |
| alexpilotti | dbite: what if we provide you a single click deployment of OpenSTack with Hyper-V, running on WIndows 8/8.1? | 18:00 |
| dbite | lets talk on the openstack-doc channel | 18:00 |
| sayali | bye | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 18:00:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| asselin | hi | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | Hi all | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | anyone else? | 18:01 |
| sweston | o/ | 18:01 |
| luqas | o/ | 18:01 |
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| rfolco | o/ | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | Hello! | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | we have a light agenda today, which means we usually have a very full meeting :) | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda: | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#09.2F29.2F14 | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | none from last week | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | nothing here, but we did have a discussion last week on an interesting defect | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | I though I'd have some time to look at it | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | sweston, did you ? | 18:04 |
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| sweston | I will look at it today | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, no pressure, just curious if you had | 18:05 |
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| sweston | not yet, but just getting started for the week ;-) | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | here is the link for completeness: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zuul/+bug/1370105 | 18:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370105 in zuul "feature request: gerrit files option for pipeline triggers" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | onward then | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | I kept the summit prep item from last week | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | since I added a few points | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | here is the link: | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | not all of that is fully though through, but there are some improvement ideas that I think fit the summit format well | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, are you around? | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | well, if you all could go take a look, add ideas, comments | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | I think we can come up with a few strong points to discuss, but we will have to prioritize with the other infra timeslots | 18:09 |
| anteaya | I am | 18:10 |
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| * krtaylor is not sure on the schedule to decide summit sessions | 18:10 | |
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| anteaya | well there is more content here than last week | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, we were just touching on the summit planning etherpad | 18:10 |
| anteaya | so that is heartening, thanks krtaylor | 18:10 |
| anteaya | right | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | I'd like to have a few points to take forward to infra meeting for design session | 18:11 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: you had mentioned that some of your items required input from infra | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | is that still the case? | 18:11 |
| anteaya | which points? | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | yes, I am sure there are opinions there | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | let me scan | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | Realibility, how to check, how to report | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | self policing | 18:12 |
| anteaya | how does that require changes from infra? | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | self service | 18:12 |
| anteaya | these have been goals from the beginning | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | changes would need to be made, whether for test, pipeline, webpage, etc | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:13 |
| anteaya | patches yes | 18:13 |
| anteaya | and patches would be welcome | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | yep | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | we should be involved in the infra discussions that influence third-party CI | 18:14 |
| anteaya | and patches can come anytime | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | we don't have to wait for summit if anyone wants to offer patches on any of these items | 18:15 |
| anteaya | you are | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | sure | 18:15 |
| anteaya | and always welcome to add agenda items | 18:15 |
| anteaya | but agenda items with patches are even better | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | agreed | 18:15 |
| anteaya | so let's see how many things we can knock off this list before summit | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | we don't need to wait on some things | 18:16 |
| anteaya | for instance | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | we all have CI responsibilities, easier if we all agree and work on an idea together, dropping a reporting system in one patch is not likely | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | if folks would be so kind as to ensure at least one other third party operator has checked their ci before they request to be enabled after being disabled | 18:16 |
| anteaya | that would sure help me | 18:17 |
| anteaya | up to you | 18:17 |
| anteaya | that is what the mailing list is for | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | yes, great idea | 18:17 |
| anteaya | and the meetings | 18:17 |
| anteaya | so people can discuss things | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | if we can organize on that we can self-police and make all this better, improve the image that CI has in the community | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | lets use the term self-regulate | 18:18 |
| anteaya | I think it is nicer | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, sure thats fine with me | 18:18 |
| anteaya | and I agree | 18:18 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | the last section addresses the previous discussions we have had around operator vs developer | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | I personally think that the CI operator should be fully involved in the community, have the ability to submit a patch | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | not just turn it on and run away, but help make it all run better | 18:19 |
| anteaya | I heartly agree | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | not sure how to do that while not increasing any infra load | 18:20 |
| sweston | krtaylor: +1 | 18:20 |
| anteaya | but how do we get there? | 18:20 |
| anteaya | right | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | yeah, thats the hard part | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | so that is a summit discussion topic | 18:21 |
| anteaya | how do we get new ops following the workflow we know they need for success | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | today we point to a requirements doc, but there is so much culture that has to be learned, opensource is a different thing that some are used to | 18:21 |
| anteaya | not the one their managers assign them | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | +1000 | 18:21 |
| anteaya | forcing them doesn't work | 18:22 |
| anteaya | but not forcing them gets zero results of any kind | 18:22 |
| anteaya | so yeah, we should discuss that one at summit | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | good brainstorming topic for sure | 18:23 |
| anteaya | since perhaps the discussion at summit _may_ be part of the solution | 18:23 |
| anteaya | I don't know | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | hm, true | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, do you know the schedule and mechanism for plan item discussion for infra, I assume we fall under that schedule | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | we will be in cross-project on the tuesday | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | not under infra | 18:25 |
| anteaya | and no, other than I tell ttx we are ready to make good use of a spot if we are | 18:25 |
| anteaya | and then I fight for space | 18:25 |
| anteaya | by elbowing out others | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | so we had better have a strong plan in place | 18:26 |
| * krtaylor has strong elbows | 18:26 | |
| krtaylor | ok, I'll spend some more time discussing the items on this etherpad, and get it down to a few strong points | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to refine third-party design summit session ideas in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | ok, anything else on this topic? | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | nothing here, anything from anyone? | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | also nothing here, but I was going to add an agenda item to talk about the changes to project-config | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | we can hit that in open discussion | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | which leads me to | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | ok, open floor | 18:31 |
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| asselin | hi, last week I requested reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122896/ and I got plenty. | 18:31 |
| asselin | one of them was to split the review into 2 however, so I'd like to request reviews on the "depends on" as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123578/1 | 18:32 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, good | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | thanks mmedvede ! :) | 18:32 |
| asselin | mmedvede, gave some very good feedback. thank you! | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | asselin, I think it looks good | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, anything else? | 18:33 |
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| asselin | that's it | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | rfolco, adalbas - want to talk about project-config, we have some time with anteaya | 18:34 |
| adalbas | krtaylor, sure, i have already spoken to her a bit in the -infra channel about it | 18:34 |
| anteaya | well adalbas was in infra not long ago and might have gotten things straigtened out | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | adalbas: why don' you share with others what you learned | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:35 |
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| rfolco | krtaylor, anteaya: I was trying to make a diagram to understand how project-config changes "broke" our runs | 18:35 |
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| asselin | (speaking of project-config, I updated my 3rd party repo to some changes there. https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/commit/3699ab0b53c5f9b137ec77e72b13212d5b6abf62) | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, for back story, we were just about to turn on reporting again, then project-config merged | 18:35 |
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| adalbas | krtaylor, anteaya, yes, i'm currently looking at the changes . so far, rfolco has cloned the new project-config in our puppet master and updated the config to delete the extra files | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | yep, there is no good time for changes anymore | 18:36 |
| anteaya | everything breaks someone | 18:36 |
| anteaya | but this is a change which will be beneficial in the long terms | 18:36 |
| rfolco | anteaya, since we use a mix of upstream plus custom scripts/configs | 18:36 |
| anteaya | term | 18:36 |
| adalbas | anteaya, krtaylor : i see a few changes and the addition of project_config class to point to files and scripts | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | asselin, excellent, it is working for you now? | 18:37 |
| asselin | krtaylor, yes, so far so good, unless more stuff merged... | 18:37 |
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| adalbas | anteaya, my assumption is that, since our services are already configured, it should not break things because puppet failed. Puppet would just update things. | 18:37 |
| adalbas | so i assume our main issue could be on devstack-gate and some script changes. would that be the right direction? | 18:38 |
| anteaya | adalbas: I don't know anything about puppet | 18:38 |
| anteaya | so I can't answer that question | 18:38 |
| adalbas | anteaya, ok :) | 18:39 |
| anteaya | but you are heading in the right direction | 18:39 |
| anteaya | make changes, ask in -infra | 18:39 |
| anteaya | share what you learn with other third party operators | 18:39 |
| anteaya | a blog post would be nice if you feel up to it | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | and maybe we can pick asselin 's experience too | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | blog post ++ | 18:40 |
| anteaya | oh yes | 18:40 |
| anteaya | asselin: you have great insights | 18:40 |
| adalbas | cool. i'm also looking at asselin changes. good thing, altough i think the way we are doing things are pretty different | 18:40 |
| anteaya | would be nice to share those too | 18:40 |
| asselin | in my setup, I update, so it broke when I tried to make changes to the jobs | 18:41 |
| adalbas | definitely | 18:41 |
| asselin | but an already running setup should keep working | 18:41 |
| anteaya | so maybe each blog your way and link to the other person's blog? | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | it would be interesting to compare and contrast the different systems some day | 18:41 |
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| asselin | my setup tries to mimic -infra as much as possible.... | 18:42 |
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| krtaylor | I have always thought it would help the infra team to know how some of the third-party systems work at a 50,00ft level | 18:42 |
| anteaya | asselin: thank you for that | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | well it does help us to answer questions if we know what you are doing | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | exactly | 18:43 |
| anteaya | since then we have context for what you are asking | 18:43 |
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| asselin | i'm interested to know how 3rd party can re-use project-config, or not? | 18:45 |
| anteaya | good question | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | asselin, is that a question for someone in particular, or? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | well certainly the format of the files is something that others can use | 18:46 |
| asselin | not sure who to ask. | 18:46 |
| anteaya | and making config smaller is a goal towards making parts more consumable | 18:46 |
| asselin | maybe -infra, but I thought I raise it here. | 18:47 |
| anteaya | well I think the idea was take project-config out of config | 18:47 |
| anteaya | then split config into consumable chunks | 18:47 |
| anteaya | like individual puppet modules | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | so perhaps less direct consumption of project-config | 18:47 |
| anteaya | and more that getting this out of the way makes the other work easier | 18:47 |
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| krtaylor | yeah, so the improvement would be changes to a smaller portion, I understand the end-goal | 18:49 |
| asselin | I thought of it as the "private poritions" of 3rd party ci.... | 18:49 |
| asselin | ...so somehow copy the 'layout' with your own custom files. | 18:50 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:50 |
| anteaya | copy the format and point them to your own values | 18:50 |
| asselin | and plug it into a common 3rd party ci setup and just uses those configurations. | 18:50 |
| anteaya | whatever they may be | 18:50 |
| anteaya | that is the goal yes | 18:50 |
| asselin | so fork it? and put your stuff there? | 18:50 |
| anteaya | though the plug it into a common 3rd party ci setup I believe still needs work | 18:50 |
| anteaya | good question | 18:51 |
| anteaya | asselin: do add to tomorrow's infra meeting | 18:51 |
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| asselin | or create a private branch, and keep rebasing/merging? | 18:51 |
| asselin | anteaya, ok | 18:51 |
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| krtaylor | ok, we are winding down it looks like, anything else? | 18:52 |
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| krtaylor | hehheh, I thought we'd have our first 35 minute meeting | 18:53 |
| anteaya | dreamer | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | good discussions, thanks for everyone's input | 18:53 |
| anteaya | good meeting krtaylor | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | see you all in -infra | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 18:54:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-29-18.00.html | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-29-18.00.txt | 18:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-29-18.00.log.html | 18:54 |
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| NobodyCam | anteaya: wow finished early :) Thank you :) | 18:56 |
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| JayF | What are we going to do with all this extra time! | 18:57 |
| NobodyCam | wait | 18:57 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | NobodyCam: thank krtaylor for that | 18:59 |
| anteaya | NobodyCam: he runs a tight ship | 18:59 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 18:59 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:59 |
| anteaya | can't start yet | 18:59 |
| NobodyCam | krtaylor: thank you :) | 18:59 |
| NobodyCam | ok who's here for the iRonic meeting | 19:00 |
| devananda | who all is here for the Ironic meeting? | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: gah, you beat me to it :) | 19:00 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:00 |
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| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
| rloo | me | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:00 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 19:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | as usual, agenda is posted here: | 19:00 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | morning / afternoon /eveing | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:01 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
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| linggao | \o | 19:01 |
| devananda | Only one from me | 19:01 |
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| devananda | I'm coordinating for us to have a presence in the Operator track on Monday in Paris | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome! | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | nice! | 19:02 |
| devananda | if anyone is giving a talk that day, please ping me after the meeting so we can make sure the scheduling doesn't conflict | 19:02 |
| devananda | any other announcements from folks? | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | typing now | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | I would like to anmounce that will will be having some new folks joining our efforts. Please Welcome BertieFulton from SAP | 19:04 |
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| jroll | \o BertieFulton | 19:04 |
| devananda | BertieFulton: hi! | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | BertieFulton, welcome :) | 19:04 |
| JayF | welcome | 19:04 |
| dtantsur | BertieFulton, o/ | 19:04 |
| BertieFulton | Thanks everyone | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | there may also be other folks from sap joining | 19:05 |
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| devananda | BertieFulton: feel free to jump in, or just follow along, if taht suits you. there's somewhat of a structure to our meetings, with some open discussion at the end. | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | I don't see any of the other handles online at this time | 19:05 |
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| devananda | #topic Juno RC status | 19:05 |
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| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 19:05 |
| devananda | as you can see, we still haven't tagged the RC | 19:06 |
| devananda | which means Kilo is not open yet | 19:06 |
| devananda | that'll all happen when there are no open bugs on that page | 19:06 |
| devananda | several of us have been dog piling on the hash ring bug over the weekend | 19:06 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:hash-ring,n,z | 19:07 |
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| devananda | I'm going to keep working on that until it is done and merged | 19:07 |
| adam_g | is there a chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1310135 might get targeted to Juno? | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I hope tomorrow I will get something working for the take_over() | 19:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1310135 in nova "Stopping an instance via the Nova API when using the Nova Ironic driver incorrectly reports powerstate" [High,In progress] | 19:07 |
| devananda | reviews would be appreciated as it's the only thing blocking our release at the moment | 19:07 |
| rloo | devananda: so all four patches, including the one that is WIP? | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | I have sarted reviewing with the first patch in the set | 19:08 |
| devananda | but ... there are some other bugs that have been found that I wnt to brin gup | 19:08 |
| devananda | adam_g: that's one of them. we can target it, but I haven't coordinated that with Nova yet | 19:08 |
| devananda | mikal: I don't suppose you're around? | 19:08 |
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| devananda | jogo: or perhaps you can help -- any chance we can target the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1310135 to Juno? | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1310135 in nova "Stopping an instance via the Nova API when using the Nova Ironic driver incorrectly reports powerstate" [High,In progress] | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | also not sure this is the correct place in the meeting but I would like to get more eyes on a couple of spec reviews before we open kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103225 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121297 | 19:09 |
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| devananda | this is another bug that's also been requested that we get a fix in Juno - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1367182 | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367182 in ironic "Ilo* drivers should use only ilo credentials to maintain compatibility across releases" [Medium,In progress] | 19:09 |
| devananda | I'm not thrilled with the patch they've proposed, however, so if it takes much longer to rework (longer than the other fixes we have in flight) I dont want to delay the release for it | 19:10 |
| dtantsur | well, what they have now is not perfect, but it's something to start with | 19:10 |
| devananda | I'm fine with it landing, if a reasonable fix is proposed in time | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | the fix would be to remove the namespacing from the driver options? | 19:11 |
| devananda | dtantsur: it still exposes ipmi_* properties in the ilo driver, though | 19:11 |
| dtantsur | at least we won't have to make too many com[atibility layers, if we decide to switch to something shared (like just username or bmc_username) | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | or using ipmi_ for ilo | 19:11 |
| rloo | there's a workaround for that ilo bug though, right? ie, put in ipmi credentials. | 19:11 |
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| devananda | rloo: yes. the bug is just that the ilo driver -also- rquiers the user to put in ipmi user/pass | 19:11 |
| devananda | which are effectively the same values | 19:11 |
| dtantsur | devananda, but it no longer _requires_ them at least, right? | 19:11 |
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| devananda | so it's an API bug, essentially. not a functionality bug. | 19:12 |
| rloo | devananda: right, so still can use. just not great. the hash-ring stuff though seems more urgent to fix. | 19:12 |
| devananda | rloo: right | 19:12 |
| wanyen | deva, | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, +1 | 19:12 |
| devananda | dtantsur: it requires them but automatically adds them for you | 19:12 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, IIRC it does not call node.save() | 19:12 |
| dtantsur | so they're not persisted | 19:13 |
| dtantsur | (I may be wrong) | 19:13 |
| wanyen | deva, we have teh fix for 1367182 already. we will submit that for review if upsteam is willing to consider it for juno. | 19:13 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, isn't it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124704/ ? | 19:13 |
| wanyen | our last proposal was to dynamically convert ilo credentail to ipmi credential | 19:14 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: ah, if it's not persisted, then I thnk it's fine | 19:14 |
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| devananda | adam_g: on the Nova bug, what do you think of at least landing the Ironic side of the fix? | 19:15 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, I checked - it's not. so unless save() is called anywhere else, we're fine | 19:15 |
| adam_g | devananda, i think that woudl narrow the race for sure | 19:15 |
| devananda | are there any other bugs that folks feel should be targeted to Juno? | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | hmm I think I got one | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | lemme see | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373671 | 19:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373671 in ironic "SSH driver does not work with non-english locale" [High,In progress] | 19:16 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | there's a fix in the review already, and tripleo ci have been rebuilt | 19:16 |
| dtantsur | right, quite bad one | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | ok tagging | 19:16 |
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| dtantsur | I guess we'll land it long before hashring series :) | 19:17 |
| devananda | the hash ring changes, up to but not including the periodic task, are probably ready to land now | 19:17 |
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| devananda | at least IMO :) | 19:17 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, is the "online" field better documented? I will take a look after the meeting | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | cause that was a bit confusing | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 19:18 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I posted that just before the meeting. but i'm happy to add more inline docs to it or change the name | 19:18 |
| wanyen | dtantsur: yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124704/ | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ack, grand them :) | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | cheers | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | then* | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: if there are minor issues with the hash ring (not that I've found any) better to land and address with anothwer patch or fix before landng | 19:19 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: if we find them, fix before landing, only because this is a release blocker | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | ack :) | 19:19 |
| devananda | meaning that the release may be tagged at any time after all the targeted bugs are closed | 19:19 |
| devananda | so if we need to do a follow on patch, we actually need to target it too | 19:19 |
| devananda | *we would actually ... | 19:20 |
| devananda | to communicate to the openstack release team that we aren't ready for them to release | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | ahh yes very good point | 19:20 |
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| devananda | any other questions on the release process, targeted bugs, etc? | 19:20 |
| rloo | there's still rc2 or 3 before actual release, although it gets more onorous (sp) to fix bugs then, right? | 19:20 |
| devananda | rloo: we should treat RC1 as though it's final | 19:21 |
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| devananda | rloo: and not tag it unless we actually dont know of any more blocking bugs | 19:21 |
| rloo | devananda: of course! | 19:21 |
| devananda | what happens when we tag RC1 is that we re-open master for Kilo development | 19:21 |
| devananda | and after that, any bug fixes taht need to be applied to Juno need to be handled separately as a backport | 19:21 |
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| lucasagomes | there's a deadline to tag rc1 right? | 19:22 |
| * lucasagomes checks wiki | 19:22 | |
| devananda | rloo: so, hopefully, there actually won't be any rc2 or rc3 :) | 19:22 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: the goal was last thursday. the deadline is when Juno final is released | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | gotcha | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | fair enuff | 19:23 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 19:23 |
| devananda | #topic Kilo planning | 19:23 |
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| wanyen | deva, so can we target https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1367182 for RC1? | 19:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367182 in ironic "Ilo* drivers should use only ilo credentials to maintain compatibility across releases" [Medium,In progress] | 19:23 |
| devananda | wanyen: I already did :) | 19:24 |
| devananda | two things for this topic | 19:24 |
| wanyen | deav, ty | 19:24 |
| wanyen | s/deav/deva | 19:24 |
| devananda | - kilo summit | 19:24 |
| devananda | - kilo specs | 19:24 |
| devananda | NobodyCam asked if we could open kilo specs today. I think that's fair | 19:25 |
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| devananda | though I still wont look at them until Juno is tagged :) | 19:25 |
| dtantsur | I'm not against some good read :) | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, and lets remember that we've changed the way kilo specs are proposed | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | we better update the template first etc | 19:26 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | we should land before we open kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103225 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121297 | 19:26 |
| devananda | I also think we should follow the lessons we learned (same ones Nova learned, too) | 19:26 |
| devananda | specs are kinda heavy handed, and some patches just don't require a spec | 19:26 |
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| devananda | eg, cleanup and refactoring | 19:26 |
| devananda | but don't be afrai to say "this change should be discussed, please propose a spec" if you feel that it would benefit from that | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | how about the stuff we talked about with the initial spec being just a paragraph or two | 19:27 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: yep. for things that are probably larger, that's definitely good | 19:27 |
| wanyen | deva, uefi spec already approved in Juno but we would like to do more in Kilo such as adding uefi support for ilo virtual meida ipa driver, do we need to submit a new spec for kilo? | 19:27 |
| devananda | wanyen: yes | 19:28 |
| jroll | devananda: we should send an email to the list about these things, when we open specs for kilo | 19:28 |
| wanyen | deva, ok. | 19:28 |
| jroll | about the short initial spec etc | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 19:28 |
| devananda | wanyen: though it might be fairly simple, eg. just refer to the already approved spec and describe any differences | 19:28 |
| jroll | so everyone is up to date on process | 19:28 |
| devananda | jroll: indeed we should. sounds like you are volunteering :) | 19:28 |
| jroll | bah | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | there was an email after the mid-cycle but it would be good to reinforce it | 19:28 |
| devananda | jroll: lol | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, hah | 19:28 |
| jroll | devananda: I can do that, I'll run a draft past you before I do | 19:29 |
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| devananda | jroll: thanks. also that seems to be the sort of thing JayF likes to do | 19:29 |
| jroll | oh | 19:29 |
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| wanyen | deva, okay. We will do that . | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | # action for jroll ? | 19:29 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: yeah, that's fine | 19:29 |
| JayF | Hey, I thought I had to say things to be volunteered to do things | 19:29 |
| devananda | JayF: you've said things in the past. that's good enough :) | 19:29 |
| JayF | You've removed a serious tool in getting me to stay quiet ;) | 19:30 |
| devananda | \o/ | 19:30 |
| * devananda likes it when everyoen has things to say | 19:30 | |
| * JayF nominates jroll to do the email thing | 19:30 | |
| devananda | #agreed kilo specs to re-open this week, preceeded by an email describing the changes over Juno process | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | heh seems nobody really likes to send emails to the list | 19:31 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: words are hard :) | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yup | 19:31 |
| devananda | #agreed Kilo specs may be initially done as a light-weight proposal only, to guage direction and interest before investing lots of time in a full spec | 19:31 |
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| dtantsur | may be or should be? | 19:31 |
| * dtantsur likes nit-picking | 19:32 | |
| jroll | may be | 19:32 |
| devananda | may be | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | ack | 19:32 |
| devananda | I dislike process for process' sake | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 19:32 |
| romcheg | +! | 19:32 |
| JayF | ++ | 19:32 |
| devananda | so if I know this thing is an approved direction, doing a light weight spec is still just a waste of time | 19:32 |
| jroll | dtantsur: it's more of "if you are not sure that people will care at all about this feature" | 19:32 |
| devananda | anyway :) | 19:32 |
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| dtantsur | heh it would help me a lot with my Juno discovery efforts :) | 19:33 |
| devananda | any questions on Kilo at this point, without going into a discussion of actual features (lets save that for the specs or ML) | 19:33 |
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| devananda | I'm happy to see the gDoc getting longer :) | 19:34 |
| devananda | oh, for reference, here's the link again for the summit planning | 19:34 |
| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=0 | 19:34 |
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| devananda | ok, moving on then | 19:35 |
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| devananda | #topic subteam reports | 19:35 |
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| adam_g | heya | 19:35 |
| adam_g | so the parallel tempest jobs are now part of our check pipeline, non-voting | 19:35 |
| devananda | adam_g, dtantsur, GheRivero - hi! how's everything? | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: anything more about us having a presence in the Operator track on Monday in Paris | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | oh nm | 19:35 |
| adam_g | and the sideways grenade job should be showing up there soon too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124562/ | 19:36 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: not yet. I'll pass on details when I have them | 19:36 |
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| GheRivero | nothing new for Juno | 19:36 |
| devananda | adam_g: awesome work! thanks! | 19:36 |
| adam_g | enabling parallel tempest tests tickles the race condition addressed by https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310135 | 19:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1310135 in nova "Stopping an instance via the Nova API when using the Nova Ironic driver incorrectly reports powerstate" [High,In progress] | 19:36 |
| adam_g | once that is addressed the job should be more stable and we can make it voting | 19:36 |
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| devananda | adam_g: I'd like to keep it non-voting for a few weeks to get some more data in logstash | 19:37 |
| adam_g | devananda, +1 | 19:37 |
| devananda | adam_g: so we can spot other races it may be exposing | 19:37 |
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| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:37 |
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| adam_g | jroll, did you ever make any progress on getting the agent ramdisk booting with lower memory? | 19:38 |
| devananda | adam_g: do you know if its logs are going to be available there already? I haven't actualy checked ... | 19:38 |
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| jroll | adam_g: not really, I think DIB images will be our only option, I got pulled into some other things | 19:38 |
| adam_g | devananda, for those tests? yeah, they should all be available in logstash AFAIK | 19:38 |
| adam_g | jroll, ah, ok | 19:38 |
| devananda | #info tempest parallel test has exposed https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310135 - fixes are proposed to nova and ironic | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1310135 in nova "Stopping an instance via the Nova API when using the Nova Ironic driver incorrectly reports powerstate" [High,In progress] | 19:38 |
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| jroll | adam_g: still on my radar to get done asap | 19:39 |
| devananda | #info tempest parallel test shoudl stay non-voting for a few weeks of stability while we gather logstash data and ensure it is stable before enabling voting | 19:39 |
| devananda | adam_g: cool | 19:39 |
| devananda | GheRivero: thanks! no news is good news in this case :) | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:40 |
| devananda | jroll: anything else to report on IPA? | 19:40 |
| jroll | devananda: I don't think so; JayF anything from you? | 19:40 |
| devananda | linggao: hi! anything to report on ipminative / pyghmi ? | 19:40 |
| JayF | I don't believe I have anything to report either. | 19:40 |
| devananda | wanyen: hi! anything (besides the bug we already covered) to report on the iLo driver? | 19:41 |
| JayF | I would mention that | 19:41 |
| linggao | hi devananda, nop | 19:41 |
| JayF | w/r/t IPA tempest testing, getting it running in less ram requires getting DIB elements | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: just big thank you fir check-ironic-xcat-third-party | 19:41 |
| JayF | and I believe that NobodyCam is working on that atm | 19:41 |
| wanyen | we submitted ios script to dib. we did tsetingfor bios-only, legacy and uefi mode. | 19:41 |
| devananda | JayF: ah, cool. NobodyCam, how's that going? | 19:41 |
| wanyen | s/ios/iso | 19:41 |
| devananda | wanyen: nice! can you paste a link to that review here for us? | 19:41 |
| linggao | NobodyCam, glad to contribute something. | 19:42 |
| jroll | JayF: devananda: yuriy was also working on that :) | 19:42 |
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| JayF | wanyen: you probably know this but for the sake of the meeting, the `make iso` target landed for the IPA CoreOS builder | 19:42 |
| jroll | (neither work yet) | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I will prob be picking up from yuriz work here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103105 | 19:42 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: ++ | 19:43 |
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| dtantsur | anyone wants bug numbers? :) | 19:43 |
| * NobodyCam does | 19:43 | |
| lucasagomes | yes? | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | Open: 94 (-6). 3 new (0), 26 in progress (-6), 0 critical, 12 high (+2) and 4 incomplete (0); juno-rc1: 6 (-9) | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | so good job closing tasks in progress | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | oh luv the - | 19:44 |
| devananda | dtantsur: of course :) thought I pinged you at the start of this topic, sorry | 19:44 |
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| lucasagomes | :) nice | 19:44 |
| wanyen | eav, link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123642/ | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | also, we reduced number of open bugs by ~40 during this month | 19:44 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | (also thanks to nova folks taking part of our headache)) | 19:44 |
| devananda | #info ISO target for iLO driver proposed to disk-image-builder at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123642/ | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | great work everyone!!!! | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | I see open bugs <100 as a great milestone | 19:45 |
| wanyen | JayF: yes. Tx | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | and that's all from me :) | 19:45 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: that reminds me, for bugs that affect Ironic but where the fix is only necessary within the Nova driver | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, cheers, +1 for the < 100 ob | 19:45 |
| devananda | dtantsur: we should probably mark the Ironic side as wont-fix | 19:45 |
| devananda | I did that for several last week | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | devananda, me too some time ago, but I didn't finish back then | 19:46 |
| devananda | otherwise they are likely to be left dangling and open on our side, and require manually closing them later | 19:46 |
| devananda | dtantsur: cool, thanks. I think we're good now :) | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | won't fix or invalid? | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'll revisit bug list this week just in case | 19:46 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I'm going to go with wontfix ... which I think is in line with what nova wants | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | it sounds more like invalid for me because the code is not in our tree so can't be fixed in ironic | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:47 |
| devananda | but the bug is not itself invalid | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | just to confirm in case I see some and have to close | 19:47 |
| devananda | it's just not fixable within this project | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, invalid for ironic I meant | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | oh | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | right, yeah... I happy with any, just to know which one to use | 19:47 |
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| devananda | yea. i'm not sure it matters, but we should be consistent | 19:48 |
| devananda | so let's go with "wontfix" :) | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | ok :) | 19:48 |
| devananda | also, following sdague's email about nova bug statuses, and the edits to the openstack Bug wiki page | 19:48 |
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| devananda | please start using status:confirmed for bugs taht we have confimred | 19:48 |
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| devananda | and status:triaged *only* if the bug report contains a suggested solution/fix, but not any code | 19:49 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:49 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, right, I also noticed that. Launchpad has different definition :( | 19:49 |
| harshada_kakad | hi , have anyone launched instance in ironic using ubuntu/centos image? | 19:49 |
| devananda | look! 10 minutes of open discussion :) | 19:49 |
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| NobodyCam | BertieFulton: how was your first meeting. Can I ask are there any areas you would to focus your efforts on began with? | 19:50 |
| devananda | harshada_kakad: hi! I don't understand your question? | 19:50 |
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| lucasagomes | harshada_kakad, you mean ubuntu being the host os for the ironic services and centos the tenant image? | 19:50 |
| harshada_kakad | i want to launch baremetal instance using image ubuntu/centos /// | 19:50 |
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| jroll | harshada_kakad: it has been done, I don't see what the issue would be | 19:51 |
| BertieFulton | NobodyCam: Very informative would be the best description. | 19:51 |
| jroll | harshada_kakad: ironic just writes an image to disk | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | harshada_kakad, ok, but did u try and it fail? what happened? | 19:51 |
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| devananda | harshada_kakad: ubuntu and centos are different distributions of linux. Ironic can write out -any- disk image, not just those. | 19:51 |
| harshada_kakad | i m trying to get kernel and initeramfs using disk-image builder for centos7.. | 19:52 |
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| lucasagomes | harshada_kakad, right, I think you should talk to the guys at #tripleo about it | 19:52 |
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| harshada_kakad | but it fails as there is no busybox for centos7 ... | 19:52 |
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| devananda | harshada_kakad: the developer meeting is not the best time to ask usage questions. Please ask usage questions on the openstack@ mailing list | 19:53 |
| harshada_kakad | and due to which cnt launch instance using centos | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | BertieFulton: : I know the first meeting can be overwhelming | 19:53 |
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| harshada_kakad | ok | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | BertieFulton: We're here (mostly in #openstack-ironic) to help | 19:53 |
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| BertieFulton | NobodyCam: I think we have a number of areas we would like to focus our efforts on. Boot from Volume is a big area of interest for us | 19:54 |
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| devananda | so, I dunno about everyone else, but I'm really looking forward to Paris :) | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:54 |
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| devananda | BertieFulton: there have been several discussions about boot from volume, along two avenues | 19:55 |
| wanyen | BertieFulton, boot from SAN volume? | 19:55 |
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| BertieFulton | wanyen: and NFS | 19:55 |
| devananda | BertieFulton: a) using iPXE to mount an iSCSI volume from the ramdisk, then boot from that | 19:55 |
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| NobodyCam | BertieFulton: that would a great area to jump in with ... but as you can see ^^^^ also a very active area | 19:55 |
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| lucasagomes | ^ ! /me has big plans for ipxe for K | 19:56 |
| devananda | BertieFulton: using an FC card and HBA to attach at the hardware level, then config the machine's bios to boot from that | 19:56 |
| BertieFulton | NobodyCam: I'm thinking I maybe should backtrack and fix some bugs for a while :) | 19:56 |
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| JayF | lucasagomes: BertieFulton: I would love boot from block from block with ipxe support | 19:56 |
| * JayF needs to start hacking on bonding support for pxe | 19:56 | |
| JayF | lol | 19:56 |
| devananda | BertieFulton: starting with bug fixes is great! look for the low-hanging-fruit tag | 19:56 |
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| devananda | BertieFulton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, yeah once we separate the boot interface from deploy interface that will be easier | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | oh we have a LHF tag... kewl... /me learns something new | 19:57 |
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| BertieFulton | devananda: thanks, will do :) | 19:58 |
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| * devananda reminds the bug team to use the LHF tag :) | 19:58 | |
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| NobodyCam | two minutes | 19:58 |
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| devananda | might as well end a minute early | 19:59 |
| devananda | cheers - thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| wanyen | tx | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | thanks everyone | 19:59 |
| BertieFulton | Thanks very much | 19:59 |
| jroll | thanks y'all :) | 19:59 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 19:59:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-29-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-29-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-29-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| sdake | #starting kolla | 20:00 |
| sdake | #starmeeting kolla | 20:00 |
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| sdake | groan | 20:00 |
| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 20:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| mspreitz | hi | 20:00 |
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| derekwaynecarr | hi | 20:00 |
| larsks | hallo | 20:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| sdake | howdie \o/ | 20:00 |
| dvossel | hi | 20:00 |
| rhallisey | hello | 20:00 |
| jrist | o/ | 20:00 |
| FlorianOtel | hi all | 20:00 |
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| sasha2 | hi | 20:00 |
| scollier | hi | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:01 |
| portante | o/ | 20:01 |
| Slower | howdy | 20:01 |
| slagle | hi | 20:01 |
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| sdake | #topic agenda | 20:01 |
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| sdake | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:01 |
| sdake | anyone have anything to add or change? | 20:01 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 20:01 |
| sdake | howdie funzie | 20:02 |
| larsks | Seems reasonable to me. | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | I would not mind a review of the big picture | 20:02 |
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| mspreitz | I found the discussion confusing | 20:02 |
| sdake | mspreitz cool maybe we should do that first | 20:02 |
| sdake | #topic big picture - what are we trying to accomplish | 20:02 |
| jdob | also curious what exists today, if anything | 20:02 |
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| Slower | sdake: I don't know if it's appropriate but I wanted to ask about this vs the openstack container effort.. | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | Do you want some leading questions? | 20:03 |
| sdake | slower I don't think it has mnuch to do with the container effort | 20:03 |
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| sdake | shoot mspreitz :) | 20:03 |
| Slower | ok I'll talk to you about it later | 20:03 |
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| bthurber | sdake: scollier, apologies for the tardiness | 20:03 |
| sdake | so big picture - put kubernetes in the undercloud | 20:03 |
| mspreitz | What I understood is that the basic idea is using container images of OpenStack controllers and/or compute nodes... | 20:03 |
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| mspreitz | Q1: Which of those? | 20:04 |
| mspreitz | Q2: what deploys the minions | 20:04 |
| mspreitz | Q3: in VMs or on bare metal? | 20:04 |
| sdake | q1 both q2 minions deployed by magic elves :) 3 - bare metal | 20:04 |
| mspreitz | I'll stop there for now | 20:04 |
| sdake | q2 may be a challenge for us | 20:04 |
| sdake | I think eveyrone is struggling with that ponit | 20:04 |
| sdake | trying to do kubernetes dev | 20:04 |
| mspreitz | So both compute nodes and controller nodes will be containers, right? | 20:05 |
| dvossel | for 3, are we limited to bare metal for any reason? | 20:05 |
| larsks | sdake: some chance the answer to q2 may end up being "puppet", or something like that, right? | 20:05 |
| sdake | right larsks | 20:05 |
| sdake | dvossel no just better performance characterisitcs vs a vm | 20:05 |
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| mspreitz | Re Q1: my vague understanding is that there is a lot of cross-configuration to be done while installing OpenStack... | 20:05 |
| mspreitz | is that already done in the images? | 20:06 |
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| sdake | it is not done yet | 20:06 |
| sdake | so jdob asekd what is avialble | 20:06 |
| mspreitz | And if so, doesn't it have to be undone/redone? | 20:06 |
| larsks | mspreitz: totally. trying to figure out how best to handle that is one of the big to-do items, I think. | 20:06 |
| sdake | atm, we have a container that launches mariadb, and a container that launches keystone | 20:06 |
| derekwaynecarr | RE q2: "everyone is struggling with that point" can you elaborate? is it a k8s specific issue or enhancement needed? | 20:06 |
| sdake | derekwaynecarr well deployment of the intitial node is a huge pita which eveyrone struggles with | 20:07 |
| mspreitz | OK, I think I understand where things are | 20:07 |
| sdake | people make tools like pxeboox etc | 20:07 |
| sdake | but it is still a struggle ;) | 20:07 |
| mspreitz | but it seems to me that Kubernetes is not bringing a lot to the table for the big problem, which is all that configuration | 20:07 |
| FlorianOtel | Maybe I'm missing the point here but (oversimplifying...) is this simply TripleO -> OpenStack on Kubernetes effort then ? | 20:07 |
| mspreitz | and the magic elves' job | 20:07 |
| sdake | good point, the config is difficult | 20:07 |
| larsks | mspreitz: kubernetes brings scheduling and service auto-discovery, the latter of which will help out with but not solve the cross-config issue. | 20:07 |
| sdake | florianotel right | 20:07 |
| sdake | I dont know if anyone has a config solution | 20:08 |
| derekwaynecarr | derekwaynecarr: k8s today makes some assumptions on how things are configured from a networking perspective as well to support per pod-ip concepts as well... all we have today is some salt scripts to configure, but we could do more | 20:08 |
| sdake | #topic Discuss development environment | 20:08 |
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| FlorianOtel | sdake, Ok, follow-up Q then: Point being... ? i.e. What's the tech / ops advantage of doing so ? | 20:08 |
| sdake | flrianotel treating openstack as a hermetically sealed container for that particular piece of software | 20:09 |
| sdake | eg, all the magic is hidden in a container | 20:09 |
| FlorianOtel | TripleO proved to be enough of a challenge as-is (at least AFAIU..(, not quite clear what k8s will bring to that picture ?? | 20:09 |
| sdake | I'd have to convince you containers are a good idea in general | 20:09 |
| sdake | for them to be a good idea for openstack | 20:09 |
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| FlorianOtel | sdake, No need. That was table stakes for me to attend this meeting already :) | 20:10 |
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| sdake | cool | 20:10 |
| mspreitz | sdake: wait... | 20:10 |
| sdake | so dev environment, larsks can you put a #Link to your repo for launching kube on heat | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | it is one thing to say containers are good for virtualization | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | it is another to say they are a good way to setup software on machine | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | machines | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | where each machine is being treated as a whole | 20:11 |
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| sdake | container is like rpm with a build in installer/deployment model | 20:11 |
| sdake | imo :) | 20:11 |
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| larsks | link is https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes for the heat templates, but I am not meetingbot-aware enough to know if that is sufficient :) | 20:11 |
| FlorianOtel | mspreitz, the latter IMO. That's the whole point AFAICT | 20:11 |
| sdake | so it is for software4 setup | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | we will put one container on each machine, right? no virtualization | 20:11 |
| FlorianOtel | sdake, +1 | 20:11 |
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| sdake | mspreitz the scheduler will sort that out | 20:12 |
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| sdake | the scheduler being kubernetes | 20:12 |
| sdake | but it could put multiple things on one machine | 20:12 |
| sdake | I guess, I don't know how kubernetes scheduler works ;-) | 20:12 |
| mspreitz | if we are not fixing one container per machine then this is significantly different from what one expects of a bare metal install of OpenStack | 20:12 |
| larsks | mspreitz: I was actually assuming multiple containers/machine, in most cases. E.g., right now you might have a controller running multiple services. In the k8s wolrd, maybe that will be one service/container, but multiple containers/host. | 20:12 |
| radez | sdake: I think that's right, multiple containers can end up on one machine | 20:12 |
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| larsks | mspreitz: I think that is actually pretty similar to a bare-metal install of openstack. | 20:13 |
| larsks | radez: certainly, the scheduler will put multiple pods on a single host. | 20:13 |
| derekwaynecarr | sdake: k8s scheduler is in early stages, but multiple containers can end up on same stages, major scheduling constraint today is free host port | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | larsks: maybe you are thinking of more containers than I was assuming | 20:13 |
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| derekwaynecarr | *same machines | 20:13 |
| radez | mspreitz: the break down is a container a service pretty much | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | if we use a container for each of what is now a process, then.. | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | right | 20:14 |
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| larsks | mspreitz: possibly, or a "pod" for each of what is now a process (a "pod" being a group of tightly linked containers). | 20:14 |
| sdake | but the process carries config and init with it | 20:14 |
| mspreitz | well, I am not sure about service vs. process | 20:14 |
| larsks | Err, s/process/service/ | 20:14 |
| sdake | with container, all that gets lumped together which is hermetically sealed = winning | 20:14 |
| mspreitz | OK, next issue.. | 20:14 |
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| sdake | back on larsks link, I'd recommend folks get the install dev environmnet rolling if you plan to write code for the project | 20:15 |
| sdake | so far, jpeeler, larsks, radez, sdake have got the env running that I am aware of | 20:15 |
| mspreitz | Is there any concern with allowing all the freedom that the k8s scheduler currently has? What if we want to keep some heavy services off of compute nodes? | 20:15 |
| sdake | so bug them for qs | 20:15 |
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| sdake | I think we want to keep everything off the compute nodes | 20:15 |
| larsks | note that larsks considers his heat templates a bit of a hack, in particular the way it's handling the overlay network to meet kube's networking model. | 20:15 |
| sdake | and I think mesos can solve that | 20:15 |
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| sdake | but like I said, I don't know enough about the scheduler to know for sure ;) | 20:16 |
| mspreitz | those heat templates ... are they published anywhere? | 20:16 |
| mspreitz | I know of ones that use Rackspace resources | 20:16 |
| sdake | yar on larsks github | 20:16 |
| larsks | mspreitz: yeah, that link I posted a few lines back... | 20:16 |
| sdake | heat-kubernetes | 20:16 |
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| larsks | Actually, y'all are talking too much, it's a lot of lines back now :) | 20:17 |
| larsks | mspreitz: https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes | 20:17 |
| mspreitz | thanks, something glitched and I did not see the earlier ref | 20:17 |
| sdake | any questions about dev environment? | 20:17 |
| sdake | I think the minimum you want to get setup is make surey ou can do a keystone endpoint-list from outside the instance | 20:17 |
| larsks | no question, just encouragement to submit PRs for those templates if you think something can be done better... | 20:17 |
| sdake | the dev environment is focused on heat because its easy to setup openstack | 20:18 |
| sdake | larsks can serve as a point of contact if you get stuck there ;) | 20:18 |
| * sdake volunteers larsks!! | 20:18 | |
| * larsks hides. | 20:18 | |
| sdake | #topic Brainstorm 10 blueprints to kick off with | 20:18 |
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| sdake | we need some features to implement in the launchpad t racker | 20:19 |
| sdake | I think radez was thinking of entering one | 20:19 |
| radez | I put one in... lemme get the link | 20:19 |
| radez | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kube-glance-container | 20:19 |
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| bthurber | another underlying question is how much the containers may be customized using puppet...thinking along the line of the staypuft installer or RHCI common installer which will be staypuft based | 20:19 |
| larsks | I think we should probably have a simliar blueprint for each service we are attempting to containerize. | 20:19 |
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| sdake | bthurber no idea ;) | 20:20 |
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| radez | this is basically to start working through the glance containers... I don't know what's involved so I'll have to fill in stuff as I go a bit | 20:20 |
| larsks | bthurber: I think that is one of the things we need to figure out. | 20:20 |
| bthurber | +1 | 20:20 |
| sdake | anyone volunteer to make a launchpad tracker for all the containers? | 20:20 |
| sdake | separately of course ;) | 20:20 |
| larsks | radez: bthurber: I almost think that "figuring out how to handle configuration" is going to be the #1 blueprint, because it's going to inform the work on everything else... | 20:20 |
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| mspreitz | larsks: right, and .. | 20:21 |
| bthurber | you bet...work backwards a bit to determine the overall strategy | 20:21 |
| radez | larsks: agreed, though that shouldn't prevent us from doing work to get things working | 20:21 |
| mspreitz | wouldn't the obvious thing be to leverage the service binding of k8s? | 20:21 |
| larsks | mspreitz: totally! That's what I was mentioning earlier. | 20:21 |
| mspreitz | OK. But let's avoid the botch introduced by k8s | 20:21 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I can do it | 20:21 |
| larsks | mspreitz: which botch? | 20:21 |
| sdake | thanks rhallisey | 20:22 |
| mspreitz | SERVICE_HOST | 20:22 |
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| mspreitz | it requires that every proxy be universal | 20:22 |
| mspreitz | using container linking envars instead avoids that assumption | 20:22 |
| sdake | #action rhallisey to enter separate blueprints for each openstack service with containerization language | 20:22 |
| larsks | mspreitz: Ah, okay. So far we've been using the --link-like environment vars. | 20:22 |
| derekwaynecarr | mspreitz: there is a proposal for k8s to eliminate that BOTCH | 20:22 |
| mspreitz | great | 20:22 |
| mspreitz | is it in the k8s repo of issues? | 20:23 |
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| derekwaynecarr | see https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/issues/1107 | 20:23 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 20:23 |
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| sdake | as far as services go, there is nova, swift, cinder, neutron, horizon, keystone, glance, ceilometer, heat, troeve, zaqar, sahara | 20:24 |
| sdake | that is 13 separate blueprints | 20:24 |
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| mspreitz | neutron might not be monolithic | 20:25 |
| sdake | rhallisey once you have the blueprints entered, can you send a mail to openstack-dev so people can take ownership of the individual ones? | 20:25 |
| larsks | mspreitz: neutron might noe be pretty! | 20:25 |
| sdake | neutron and cinder aregonig to be a real challenge | 20:25 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, should we split up by containers or by services? | 20:25 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ok | 20:25 |
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| mspreitz | I suggest organize people by service | 20:26 |
| larsks | rhallisey: I would say "by service" for now, and possibly the implementation will be multi-container. Or not. | 20:26 |
| mspreitz | let the people decide about containers | 20:26 |
| radez | I vote by component/service | 20:26 |
| larsks | Ah, great minds. | 20:26 |
| bthurber | sdake: possibly more....if you want to break out the components of each service | 20:26 |
| sdake | ya, atm we break out each componenet of each service into a separate container | 20:26 |
| bthurber | +1 | 20:27 |
| sdake | I think we will have to experiment to see what works best there | 20:27 |
| bthurber | there may be some shared components as well | 20:27 |
| sdake | so topic * Define list of initial Docker Images (10 min) | 20:27 |
| sdake | is probably covered | 20:27 |
| sdake | #topic Map core developer to docker image for initial implementation\ | 20:27 |
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| larsks | bthurber: although my sticking to one-process-per-container, we avoid the whole "how we we handle process supervision" bugaboo. And I think that the "pod" abstraction makes the one-process-per-container model a little more tenable. | 20:28 |
| sdake | I guess my thinking on this is we can just pick up blueprints when rhallisey sends out the note | 20:28 |
| sdake | does that work for everyone? | 20:28 |
| larsks | Sure. rhallisey, don't forget to include "supporting" services like mysql, rabbitmq... | 20:28 |
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| bthurber | larsks: prob good to start there and as we mature see where there is overlap. May find opportunity for some efficiency. | 20:29 |
| rhallisey | larsks, sounds good | 20:29 |
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| rook | WRT Neutron, is there a Blueprint built for this? i am curious how we can containerize some of the services. larsks maybe you might know? | 20:29 |
| larsks | rook: no blueprints yet! | 20:29 |
| radez | rhallisey: did you see the link to the glance one I created? if it doesn't meet your standard just ditch it or we can change it | 20:29 |
| rook | larsks: roger. | 20:29 |
| rook | larsks: how about your thoughts? ;) | 20:30 |
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| rook | we can offline it... | 20:30 |
| rhallisey | radez, I'll take a look | 20:30 |
| radez | rook: if you look at the current code some things are already broken down across different service | 20:30 |
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| sdake | #topic gating | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gating (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:31 | |
| radez | you can get an idea of how some are being done already there to get your gears turning | 20:31 |
| rook | radez which code? | 20:31 |
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| larsks | rook: chat after meeting, maybe? | 20:31 |
| sdake | atm, we have no gating in the codebase | 20:31 |
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| sdake | I'll file blueprints for every service to introduce gating | 20:31 |
| rook | radez: roger - my concern is namespaces wrt Neutron | 20:31 |
| sdake | I thinkj what would work best is atleast tempest gating on the containers | 20:31 |
| sdake | I'll tackle t he implementation | 20:31 |
| sdake | if somone wants to join me, that wfm ;) | 20:31 |
| radez | rook: https://github.com/jlabocki/superhappyfunshow/ | 20:31 |
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| larsks | rook: but note, moving to github.com/openstack Real Soon Now. | 20:32 |
| larsks | sdake: where is that right now? | 20:32 |
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| sdake | stackforge -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124453/ | 20:32 |
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| rook | larsks radez thx | 20:33 |
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| sdake | any other thoughts on gating? | 20:33 |
| larsks | Nah, temptest seems like a reasonable starting point. | 20:33 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 20:34 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:34 | |
| sdake | likely we will just end in 10 mins, so I'll set a 10 minute timer :) | 20:34 |
| sdake | anyone have any open items they wish to discuss? | 20:34 |
| jdob | dumb question, what room does the project talk in? | 20:34 |
| jdob | is there a kolla room or using #tripleo? | 20:35 |
| sdake | #tripleo | 20:35 |
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| jdob | kk | 20:35 |
| jdob | as soon as I started asking that I remembered the initial email | 20:35 |
| larsks | sdake: do we want to create a project-specific channel? | 20:35 |
| sdake | larsks the tripleo folks thought it would be better if we used the same channel | 20:35 |
| larsks | Fair enough. | 20:35 |
| sdake | because separate channels never die, and we are really just an offshoot of the tirpleo project | 20:35 |
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| sdake | any other discussion? | 20:36 |
| sdake | 30 secs and I'll end meeting ;) | 20:36 |
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| rook | =) | 20:36 |
| sdake | thanks folks | 20:37 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 20:37:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-09-29-20.00.html | 20:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-09-29-20.00.txt | 20:37 |
| rook | larsks radez lets catch up offline | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-09-29-20.00.log.html | 20:37 |
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| radez | rook: sure thing | 20:37 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| beagles | o' | 20:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:59 |
| nati_ueno | Hi | 21:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yo | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | I can’t remember if this is the mondyay or the tuesday week :/ | 21:00 |
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| dougwig | monday week on my calendar. | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | ok aloha then | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | It's a monday week | 21:00 |
| ChuckC_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
| emagana | Hola! | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | arosen, amotoki, carl_baldwin, rkukura, SumitNaiksatam, obondarev_, marun: ping | 21:02 |
| marun | pong | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: hi | 21:02 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: pong | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 29 21:03:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | mestery is in transit this week, so I'll be filling it | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | (fortunately it is a light week) | 21:03 |
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| dougwig | party time. | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: haha | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:04 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Release Notes | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | We're starting to work on the Juno release notes. If anything is missing please let us know | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | RC1 should be cut very soon | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:06 | |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: hi | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1374573 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374573 in neutron "Server hang on external network deletion with FIPs" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | armax: you were working on this one, but nobody seemed to pick it up | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | seems like this is a release critical bug | 21:07 |
| armax | markmcclain: yes, but the change was not deemed acceptable, and I won’t have to look at it today or tomorrow | 21:07 |
| rkukura | markmcclain, armax: I did a quick review of armax’s patch this AM, and was concened about the change to use a separate mutex. | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | armax: but is the hang observed in specific or all cases | 21:08 |
| armax | salv-orlando: the hang is only observable when deleting an external network with disassociated fip's | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: yes, but it’s not intermittent - everytime you have an ext net with disassociate floating ips it hanfs | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | and by hanging stop processing for all routers on the l3 agent, I guess | 21:09 |
| armax | salv-orlando: correct | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | ok.. so we'll continue to track it | 21:10 |
| armax | salv-orlando: this is a server-side hang | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | I think we can cut RC1 and either release note it or target this specific bug for RC2 | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | Any other release critical bugs the team should be tracking? | 21:11 |
| rkukura | armax: If we could eliminate the with_lockmode(‘update’), I think we could also remove the mutex locking. | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | frankly I am looking at review comments and it seems they ended up in argument which goes way beyond the specifc bug being addressed | 21:11 |
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| salv-orlando | is this bug so deep rooted in the ml2 architecture that we can’t really fix it in an easy way? | 21:11 |
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| rkukura | salv-orlando: No | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | rkukura: so how should we fix it? | 21:12 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: Not sure, but the mutex was added for a specific purpose, and using a different mutex no longer serves that purpose. | 21:12 |
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| armax | rkukura: it looks like you got the hang of this, so you should fix it :) | 21:13 |
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| salv-orlando | rkukura: my question was not about whuy the fix is ineffective, but rather about what would be the proper fix. I would like to release juno with a fix rather than a release note | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I agree that the deadlock is very troubling | 21:13 |
| rkukura | armax: I can take a closer look. | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | and would prefer a fix | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | which would basically say “ermm… please try not to do this particular thing otherwise your l3 agent will be gone for good" | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | rkukura: thanks for digging into it | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | Last call for release blocking bugs… | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:15 |
| emagana | Hi There! | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | Looks like we need a few volunteers for doc items | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | how's the recruitment going? | 21:16 |
| emagana | Ok, News on the Docs side. The Networking guide is moving forward #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-networking-guide | 21:16 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I will cover that in a bit! | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | ok.. cool | 21:17 |
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| emagana | A bunch of people reach me out to find out the how to review content, well in that BP you will find all the current content (very raw still) | 21:17 |
| emagana | Now, we have defined a new process to add content quickly and easier for developers that are NOT familiar with the Docs process | 21:18 |
| emagana | Basically, this wiki #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | oh cool… that will be a big help for contributors | 21:18 |
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| emagana | So, we have identified a couple of Docs folks to help with the translation from the wiki to the Docs (HTML) but we need people filling up the gaps on the wiki | 21:19 |
| emagana | The contribution will be recorded as co-author in the gerrit commits | 21:20 |
| emagana | WE are going to focus on the Networking Guide and then the Admin Guide will be fixed based no that | 21:20 |
| emagana | So, that is actually what is going on right now!. | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | good stuff thanks for sharing the changes | 21:21 |
| emagana | For the guys leading DVR and L3 HA. Please, make sure that you review those sub-sections. | 21:21 |
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| emagana | The migration path will be covered in the Operations Guide! | 21:21 |
| emagana | I will discuss that in the next meeting | 21:21 |
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| armax | emagana: can you share links to these reviews? | 21:22 |
| emagana | armax: For the networking guide? | 21:22 |
| armax | ya | 21:22 |
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| emagana | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-manuals,n,z | 21:23 |
| emagana | Look for networking-guide directory: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117327/ | 21:23 |
| armax | emagana: thanks! | 21:24 |
| emagana | markmcclain: That is what I have so far | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | emagana: thanks for the update | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | #topic Sub Team Reports | 21:24 |
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| markmcclain | Looks like the subteam reports are unchanged from last week, so if you've got something speak up now :) | 21:25 |
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| dougwig | should we mention the lbaas v2 feature branch and review standards for it? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: sure | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | so for the feature branch | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | cores should review the code to ensure it is correct, but it does not have to be complete | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | (ie partial implementations are ok) | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | I think the current patch in the series has comments on missing migration information | 21:27 |
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| dougwig | mostly it's retrofitting to the new non-conditional migrations. | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | if we create a note or bug to fix it later, I'd be ok moving | 21:27 |
| dougwig | current review list is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | at the gerrit level, feature branches can have a different core them can’t they? | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes… we can define a different group, but we've been trying to get RC1 out first :) | 21:28 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: ok - you said “cores” and I thought you meant the standard core team | 21:29 |
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| dougwig | for now, he does. | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | for now those groups are the same | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | whoops no sand… I’ll have then to bang my head against the wall! | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: haha | 21:30 |
| dougwig | channel that emotion into some lbaas code reviews. :) | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: did I answer your question? | 21:30 |
| dougwig | yes, i just wanted it on radar with the neutron cores. | 21:30 |
| dougwig | ty | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | #info cores should be reviewing LBaaSv2 for feature branch | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | Any other subteam reports? | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Kilo Specs | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/kilo Kilo Specs | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | the kilo directory for the specs repo is now open | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | #info The template we use has changed since Juno | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/template.rst | 21:33 |
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| beagles | yay ascii art | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | The repository has been opened for submissions, but we still have lots of work todo on Juno which we should stay focused on | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | beagles: everyone's favorite right? | 21:35 |
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| beagles | markmcclain: vim shines w visual block mode ;) | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | The spec tools have been updated to test for the new template, so if you propose using the old template expect a -1 from jenkins | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | Also don't forget that Paris summit session ideas are being collected here: | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics Neutron summit session ideas | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | Any other open discussion items? | 21:38 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | beagles: yes | 21:38 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Sorry I joined late - when is RC1 being cut and is there RC2 in plan? | 21:38 |
| beagles | so I've been looking at doing something about neutronv2/api.py in nova | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: RC1 will be cut very soon.. ideally after we have a fix for the FIP bug | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | as for RC2 we are not tracking any bugs for it at this time | 21:39 |
| beagles | so far I've more-or-less an island but I know others have also been thinking about this a lot and may have done some work on it already | 21:39 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:39 |
| dougwig | what's the state of flavors? will be re-proposed as is for kilo, or...? | 21:40 |
| beagles | most of the process oriented stuff happens in nova - and they are also still focused on juno | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | beagles: right I know some Nova folks I've chatted with have wanted to discuss this too | 21:40 |
| beagles | but sometime soon things will start rolling | 21:40 |
| dougwig | oh whoops, sorry, for some reason i thought we were in open discussion. | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | I'm hoping we can get some cross project discussion time set aside for it | 21:41 |
| * beagles nods | 21:41 | |
| markmcclain | dougwig: we are in open discussion | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: yes flavors will be re-proposed for Kilo | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | since we didn't have a ready made user for them in Juno without pain for everyone | 21:41 |
| dougwig | did we have consensus on the spec at the end of juno, or is there still work there? | 21:41 |
| beagles | I unfortunately will not be in Paris, but no doubt there will be others there to bash it about | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: we've mostly converged on a spec | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | just need to reformat it for the new template and clarify a few bits | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov also has made an initial implementation of it | 21:43 |
| blogan | will the spec need to go through the spec review process for kilo? | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | blogan: yes… all specs have to go through the process | 21:43 |
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| blogan | okay, wasn't sure if since this may have already had an agreement if it still needed to | 21:44 |
| blogan | thanks | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | blogan: fortunately since everyone has discussed it, ensuring consensus should be easy | 21:44 |
| blogan | lol | 21:44 |
| blogan | famous last words | 21:44 |
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| beagles | one of the suggestions that was made to me that is looking more attractive all of the time is treating the effort as a sort of enhanced neutron client and implement the nova network stuff in terms of that | 21:45 |
| marun | ...and we can roll those enhancements into neutronclient? | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | blogan: yep.. I've probably cursed it | 21:45 |
| beagles | if it is deemed appropriate, yeah | 21:46 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: we just need to throw in some UDP based objections. | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | beagles: the neutronclient is one of the issues | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | but the general workflow between Nova and Neutron is not efficient at all | 21:46 |
| beagles | markmcclain: mmm yeah | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: haha | 21:46 |
| beagles | markmcclain: I've already ran into some of those things in mucking about with some ideas | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | also any work we do on the neutronclient should be balanced with the community initiative for the openstacksdk | 21:47 |
| beagles | markmcclain: the nova code sometimes is just inefficient, but in other cases it is clearly a slave tot he client | 21:47 |
| beagles | markmcclain: mmm.. noted | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | I'd hate for the two teams to duplicate work and choose diverging paths | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | beagles: agreed | 21:48 |
| beagles | markmcclain marun: so in general .. improvements to neutronclient is a net win | 21:49 |
| beagles | ? | 21:49 |
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| marun | beagles: I think we need a better client. Not just via the cli, but also as a library. | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | yes… I expect the improvements to involve a significant refactoring | 21:50 |
| beagles | would it be fair to say that the current "library" is nearly 100% driven from cli requirements? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | we also have to pin the CLI to provide backwards compatiblity | 21:50 |
| beagles | right | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | beagles: actually the current client was just the easiest path to serialize any API call | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | I'd argue it does not serve the CLI well either | 21:51 |
| beagles | markmcclain: ic | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | any other open discussion items? | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. thanks for stopping in this week and see everyone on the ML and IRC | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 29 21:53:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-29-21.03.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-29-21.03.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-29-21.03.log.html | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 21:53 |
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| nati_ueno | Bye | 21:54 |
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