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yamahata | hello | 05:00 |
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vishwanathj | hello | 05:00 |
natarajk | hi | 05:01 |
s3wong | hello | 05:01 |
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yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 05:01:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
s3wong | bmelande doesn't seem to be here | 05:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 05:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:01 |
yamahata | #chair s3wong natarajk vishwanathj | 05:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: natarajk s3wong vishwanathj yamahata | 05:01 |
yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:02 |
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yamahata | summit planning is going on | 05:02 |
yamahata | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 05:02 |
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yamahata | thanks for adding topics | 05:02 |
s3wong | yamahata: I added an entry on ServiceVM | 05:02 |
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yamahata | We would also discuss on router and firewall stuff. | 05:03 |
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yamahata | I'll upload new WIP snapshot code this week hopefully. | 05:04 |
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yamahata | any other to annouce? | 05:04 |
natarajk | yamahata: are you working on any reference implementation ? | 05:05 |
yamahata | natarajk: routervm reference implementation as PoC of servicevm framework | 05:05 |
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yamahata | There are three vendors to proposing their own outervm/firewallvm | 05:06 |
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yamahata | To verify/promote servicevm project we need opensource reference implementation | 05:06 |
yamahata | It took much longer than I expected unfortunately. I wanted to have it work earlier. | 05:07 |
yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72068/ | 05:08 |
yamahata | The code is above | 05:08 |
yamahata | #undo | 05:09 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x1ef7bd0> | 05:09 |
yamahata | oops | 05:09 |
yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116773/ | 05:09 |
yamahata | WIP: router vm l3 plugin/driver/agent | 05:09 |
natarajk | thanks for the link | 05:09 |
yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 05:10 |
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yamahata | any topics to discuss this week? | 05:11 |
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yamahata | For routervm case, I suppose we'd like to allow multiple type of routers to coexist, wouldn't we? | 05:13 |
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yamahata | At least, reference defact router + vendor routervm | 05:14 |
natarajk | Will they be selected by 'Flavors' in a typical deployment ? | 05:14 |
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yamahata | natarajk: yeah, you read my mind | 05:14 |
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yamahata | I'll add it to summit topic | 05:15 |
natarajk | sure | 05:16 |
yamahata | #action yamahata add flavors + l3 router to summit topic | 05:16 |
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yamahata | done | 05:18 |
yamahata | any other topic? | 05:19 |
s3wong | yamahata: Flavor is also one of the topics applied for slots at summit | 05:20 |
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yamahata | s3wong: great. which line? | 05:21 |
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s3wong | yamahata: 65 | 05:22 |
yamahata | s3wong: thanks, | 05:22 |
s3wong | yamahata: though you can put it under ServiceVM -- since we don't have a say in combining sessions anyway (up to PTL and cores) | 05:22 |
yamahata | s3wong: i see. Probably we need to parasite neutron session | 05:24 |
yamahata | somehow | 05:24 |
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s3wong | yamahata: last time in Atlanta, we got half session that was the absolute last one during the summit | 05:25 |
s3wong | yamahata: this time, with less session slots --- let's hope for the best... | 05:25 |
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yamahata | and many people already left for their returning trip | 05:25 |
yamahata | s3wong: Sure, let's hope. and try to allocate pod area or somewhere. | 05:26 |
s3wong | yamahata: certainly for pod area | 05:26 |
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yamahata | okay, any other topic? or let's close today's meeting | 05:27 |
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yamahata | seems no more topic. thank you every one. | 05:29 |
s3wong | thank you | 05:29 |
yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:29 |
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natarajk | thanks. bye | 05:29 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 05:29:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:29 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-23-05.01.html | 05:29 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-23-05.01.txt | 05:29 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-09-23-05.01.log.html | 05:29 |
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vishwanathj | bye | 05:29 |
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rkukura | hi | 14:01 |
markmcclain | armax, obondarev, marun, emagana: ping | 14:01 |
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armax | markmcclain: pong | 14:02 |
obondarev | hi | 14:02 |
markmcclain | garyk: ping | 14:02 |
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jckasper_ | hi | 14:02 |
marun | hi | 14:02 |
markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 14:02:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:02 |
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markmcclain | mestery is returning from a school event so will join us in a few minutes | 14:03 |
markmcclain | #chair mestery | 14:03 |
openstack | Current chairs: markmcclain mestery | 14:03 |
markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:03 |
markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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markmcclain | #info RC-1 will be cut soon | 14:03 |
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markmcclain | At this point we are in a string, feature and requirements freeze | 14:04 |
markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
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markmcclain | enikanorov: hi | 14:05 |
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obondarev | enikanorov is on business trip, not sure he can join.. | 14:05 |
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markmcclain | obondarev: ok.. thanks for letting me know | 14:05 |
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markmcclain | Anyone have bugs the team should be made aware of? | 14:06 |
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jschwarz | I have a bug Ihar wanted to talk about | 14:06 |
jschwarz | Please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372438 | 14:06 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372438 in neutron "Race condition in l2pop drops tunnels" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:06 |
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jschwarz | There was a regression done a while back (explained in the launchpad) and a fix has already been proposed | 14:06 |
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jschwarz | Ihar asked me to see if you could bump it up to RC1 and change the importance | 14:07 |
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markmcclain | I can look into it further after the meeting | 14:07 |
obondarev | new critical bug was reported recently by garyk | 14:07 |
obondarev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372570 | 14:07 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372570 in neutron "Booting multiple instances causes race with port security groups" [Critical,In progress] | 14:07 |
markmcclain | jschwarz: also seems that there is a related bug | 14:07 |
armax | jschwarz, markmcclain I have been looking at that one too | 14:07 |
armax | I’ll keep an eye on it | 14:08 |
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markmcclain | armax: if you want to take the lead that would be great | 14:08 |
jschwarz | thank you armax and markmcclain, I'll let Ihar know :) | 14:08 |
* mestery catches up | 14:08 | |
obondarev | the patch is on review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123187/ | 14:08 |
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amotoki | am looking it | 14:08 |
salv-orlando | obondarev: could you confirm the bug? It is so blatant I wonder how comes we figured it out now only | 14:08 |
jschwarz | ihrachyshka, ^ | 14:09 |
salv-orlando | according to this bug deployers should have ended up with hundreds of thousands of security groups in the admin profile | 14:09 |
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obondarev | salv-orlando: didn't have a chance to triage it yet | 14:09 |
armax | markmcclain: there is also #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1371732 that carl_baldwin is addressing | 14:10 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1371732 in neutron "create_port failure resulting in Lock wait timeout" [Critical,In progress] | 14:10 |
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mestery | Also, salv-orlando, any updates on this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323658 | 14:10 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:10 |
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carl_baldwin | armax: Thanks for bringing that up. I was about to mention it. | 14:10 |
salv-orlando | mestery: we have arosen working on dansmith for bug 1323658 | 14:10 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state with Neutron" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323658 | 14:10 |
salv-orlando | * working with | 14:10 |
dansmith | salv-orlando: thanks for that correction :) | 14:10 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Ack, thanks! | 14:10 |
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mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of as we near RC1? | 14:12 |
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mestery | OK, moving on then. | 14:12 |
mestery | #topic Incubator Update | 14:12 |
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mestery | markmcclain: Hi! | 14:12 |
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markmcclain | so we've tabled the incubator for this cycle | 14:13 |
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markmcclain | after discussions with the -infra team and the principals in LBaaS | 14:13 |
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markmcclain | we've created a feature branch to unblock that team | 14:13 |
mestery | #info Incubator tabled for Juno cycle, | 14:14 |
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markmcclain | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/?h=feature%2Flbaasv2 | 14:14 |
mestery | #info Feature branch created to unlock LBaaS team and move that work forward | 14:14 |
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mestery | markmcclain: Nice work! | 14:14 |
markmcclain | we've started to merge some of the backlog of lbaasv2 patches | 14:14 |
mestery | blogan sbalukoff sballe rm_work: ^^^^ | 14:14 |
markmcclain | and I'll be working with the proposers to finish retargeting the patches for the new branch | 14:14 |
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markmcclain | mestery: you forgot dougwig | 14:15 |
mestery | markmcclain: I guess some of these may need rebases perhaps. | 14:15 |
* mestery never forgets dougwig :) | 14:15 | |
dougwig | :) | 14:15 |
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markmcclain | haha.. yes a few will need rebasing | 14:15 |
rkukura | markmcclain: Is there a wiki or anything on how feature branches are used in neutron? In particular, are the neutron cores in the loop? | 14:15 |
amotoki | how does the branch work? it might be discussed last week.... how is it reviewed? | 14:15 |
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markmcclain | and some will need reviews because it would be good to get some eyeballs on them since they it looks like they got ignored due to the blockage | 14:16 |
markmcclain | rkukura: so feature branches work just like a normal review cycle for now | 14:16 |
mestery | markmcclain: I think we merged the initial LBaaS API patch from blogan into the feature branch last night though, which is ag ood start. | 14:16 |
markmcclain | but the branch is not frozen | 14:16 |
markmcclain | because the earliest it would merge is kilo | 14:16 |
amotoki | I see. | 14:16 |
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salv-orlando | markmcclain: do we have a custom core team for each feature branch? | 14:17 |
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markmcclain | salv-orlando: at this time the groups that have +2/A is the core team | 14:17 |
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markmcclain | I wanted to unblock first and then discuss if we wanted the set of approvers to be different | 14:17 |
ihrachyshka | informal interest groups should be enough | 14:17 |
salv-orlando | markmcclain: I would consider the idea of giving at least +2 (not sure about +A) to subject matter experts of each particular branch. Is that being considered? | 14:18 |
salv-orlando | markmcclain: ok sorry I did not read your last post | 14:18 |
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markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes… I think there are few people on the short list but I think that requires a discussion | 14:18 |
markmcclain | and I was hoping to unblock first | 14:18 |
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markmcclain | since many cores have avoided reviewing due to the block | 14:18 |
mestery | +1 to the unblocking first, thanks for taking care of this with infra markmcclain. | 14:19 |
markmcclain | happy to help | 14:19 |
amotoki | sounds very reasonable :-) | 14:19 |
dougwig | +1 | 14:19 |
banix | are there plans for other feature branches? | 14:19 |
markmcclain | banix: at this time no, but I do want to discuss this in paris :) | 14:19 |
mestery | dougwig: Can you help coordinate reviews of the remaining LBaaS patches for the feature branch? | 14:20 |
rkukura | markmcclain, mestery: Where is the feature branch process documented. This is the first I’ve heard that its possible to have separate cores for feature branches. | 14:20 |
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-amotoki- perhaps banix is thinking about GBP | 14:20 | |
markmcclain | rkukura: it is something that Swift has used before | 14:20 |
dougwig | mestery: yes, I'll get them rolling today | 14:20 |
mestery | dougwig: Thanks! | 14:20 |
markmcclain | I don't want to go crazy with branches yet because they don't solve all problems | 14:21 |
rkukura | markmcclain: That is not very helpful tome | 14:21 |
salv-orlando | rkukura: I made this statement just because I was thinking that in a way is similar to stable branches and gerrit could handle it in the same way | 14:21 |
markmcclain | rkukura: it distros are not likely to release from them | 14:21 |
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salv-orlando | but there is no decision, proposal, or even whatsoever thing being discussed atm | 14:21 |
markmcclain | salv-orlando: right… stay tuned on that side of it | 14:21 |
mestery | Like markmcclain said, this was done to unblock the LBaaS folks so they can continue working. | 14:22 |
mestery | And I think there will be some discussions on this in Paris as well. | 14:22 |
amotoki | and we can discuss when we merge feature branches to master in Paris.. | 14:22 |
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mestery | amotoki: ++ | 14:22 |
markmcclain | amotoki: yes.. it is a must for us to discuss | 14:23 |
salv-orlando | feature branches are rather useful whenever you have an effort which will require several commits from several developers, but should not go in the main repo until all of them are complete. in a way, it gives you “all or none” | 14:23 |
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dougwig | And less than a cycle from usefulness | 14:24 |
mestery | salv-orlando: In addition, it allows for the retention of the git history in an easy manner, which infra is happy about. | 14:24 |
marun | My understanding is that feature branches should be short-lived. | 14:24 |
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mestery | marun: Yes | 14:24 |
marun | I think a full cycle is too long, frankly. | 14:24 |
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marun | But yes, let's discuss in paris. | 14:24 |
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mestery | Thanks for the updates markmcclain, moving on then. | 14:25 |
mestery | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 14:25 |
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banix | by tabling the incubator for this cycle, it means, it won’t be done in this cycle? is it being considered for next cycle? out of question for now? | 14:25 |
mestery | #undo | 14:25 |
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markmcclain | banix: I think that it is one the table for kilo | 14:26 |
banix | ok thanks | 14:26 |
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mestery | Anymore questions on the incubator or feature branches before we move on? | 14:26 |
salv-orlando | markmcclain: do you mean that the incubator will be ready by the end of kilo? or that contributors will be able to commit in it during kilo? | 14:26 |
salv-orlando | just for the sake of pedantry | 14:26 |
salv-orlando | because we all love being pedant | 14:27 |
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markmcclain | salv-orlando: it is something we want as a team we can discuss what goes in and also weighing the pros/cons vs using feature branches or separate project all three options have tradeoffs | 14:27 |
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mestery | It really depends on what is being proposed salv-orlando, to be even more pedant. | 14:27 |
salv-orlando | I think you answered the question - and the answer is that no committment can yet be made | 14:28 |
salv-orlando | mostly because we don’t exactly know yet what we will be committing too | 14:28 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Precisely. | 14:29 |
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mestery | It depends on what we commit to as a team for Kilo to some extent. | 14:29 |
salv-orlando | mestery: thanks I had my fix of pedantry for today. Now I can be constructive again. | 14:29 |
* mestery waits for a bit to let anymore pedantry fall out before moving on. | 14:30 | |
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mestery | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 14:30 |
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mestery | So, a reminder from last week, session proposals are now different for the Kilo Summit this time. | 14:30 |
mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 14:31 |
mestery | We as a team are collecting ideas on the etherpad ^^^ | 14:31 |
mestery | And we will collectively setup time for discussions during our 2 allotted days. | 14:31 |
mestery | We already have enough work on that page to last us for probably 6 cycles or so. | 14:31 |
dougwig | what is the deadline for giving input there? | 14:31 |
mestery | Which is to say, there is a lot to do. | 14:31 |
mestery | dougwig: No known deadline yet, but we'll be firming this up over the next 3 weeks or so. | 14:32 |
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* salv-orlando wishes there will be work in there for about 60 cycles. This way I’d know what to do until retirement. | 14:32 | |
mestery | I'm hoping that with the change in format we can get people signed up for the big items here. | 14:32 |
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mestery | And we can utilize the mid-cycle meeting to drill down on things. | 14:32 |
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mestery | Any other questions on the Kilo Design Summit? | 14:33 |
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mestery | One more item here then: | 14:34 |
mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046793.html | 14:34 |
mestery | ttx sent out an email with a proposed schedule for Kilo. | 14:34 |
mestery | I encourage folks to have a look at it. | 14:34 |
mestery | We'll have to fit our work items into that schedule in a realistic fashion to ensure success for Neutron in Kilo. | 14:34 |
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mestery | #topic Parity | 14:36 |
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markmcclain | hi | 14:36 |
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mestery | Hi markmcclain! | 14:36 |
mestery | Do we haev any loose ends here to wrap at the end of Juno now? | 14:36 |
markmcclain | so grenade work is on my schedule for today | 14:36 |
mestery | markmcclain: awesome! | 14:36 |
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markmcclain | other than that I think we'll be finalizing parity work for Kilo | 14:37 |
markmcclain | also I've chatted with a few folks who've tested obondarev transition work | 14:38 |
markmcclain | hoping to get them to doc their results | 14:38 |
mestery | markmcclain: Excellent! | 14:38 |
mestery | markmcclain: We need to chat with mikal around the official wording of nova-network deprecation for Juno. | 14:38 |
mestery | I'm hoping we can say that and have it in the rlease notes now. | 14:38 |
mestery | *release | 14:38 |
mestery | markmcclain: Do you think we can now try to merge this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105785/ | 14:39 |
mestery | This defaults devstack to neutron. | 14:39 |
mestery | Or do you want grenade to land first? | 14:39 |
markmcclain | let's land grenade | 14:39 |
mestery | Ack | 14:39 |
mestery | OK, thanks for the updates markmcclain! | 14:39 |
markmcclain | and then when kilo opens flip the switch | 14:39 |
mestery | markmcclain: Sounds good. | 14:39 |
mestery | #info Looking to merge parity work around grenade this week. | 14:40 |
mestery | #info Will merge patch to default devstack to neutron at the start of Kilo. | 14:40 |
* mestery doesn't see emagana around so will skip docs update this week. | 14:40 | |
mestery | #topic Tempest | 14:40 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Hi there! Do you have a Tempest update this week? | 14:40 |
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mlavalle | mestery: quick update: I've been helping to migrate networking tests to tempest clients (scenario) | 14:41 |
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mlavalle | mestery: I also started a conversation with the ml2 group about some specialized testing in case of mechnism failures | 14:41 |
mestery | mlavalle: Excellent! | 14:42 |
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mlavalle | mestery: I have some homework to do for tomowrro's ML2 meeting | 14:42 |
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mlavalle | and that's all I have for today | 14:42 |
mestery | mlavalle: Make sure to dot your 'i's and cross your 't's, rkukura doesn't grade on a curve. ;) | 14:42 |
mestery | Thanks mlavalle! | 14:42 |
mestery | #topic L3 | 14:42 |
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mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi there! | 14:42 |
carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 14:43 |
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mlavalle | mestery: I know, I really fear rkukura 's grading :-) | 14:43 |
carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#L3_.28carl_baldwin.29 | 14:43 |
carl_baldwin | The team wiki is up to date. I wanted to point out that we’re actively working the failure rate in the dvr job. | 14:43 |
carl_baldwin | The first bug was mentioned earlier. | 14:43 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Cool! | 14:44 |
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carl_baldwin | We’re working on a second race that should get the failure rate back down to nearly 0. | 14:44 |
carl_baldwin | mestery: That is all I wanted to highlight. | 14:44 |
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mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 14:45 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Can you do me a favor offline and highlight which bugs around DVR are release critical? | 14:45 |
mestery | I expect ttx to ask me that today in our 1:1. | 14:45 |
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carl_baldwin | mestery: yes | 14:46 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Thank you sir! | 14:46 |
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mestery | #topic IPV6 | 14:46 |
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mestery | sc68cal: Hi! | 14:46 |
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mestery | In lieu of Sean, does any other IPV6 team member have any updates or release critical bugs they wanted to highlight for Juno here? | 14:47 |
xuhanp | mestery, I have one to get more attentions one | 14:47 |
mestery | xuhanp: Thanks! | 14:47 |
xuhanp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101433/ | 14:48 |
mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101433/ | 14:48 |
xuhanp | it has been rebased several times so could be great if more cores can check it :-) | 14:48 |
mestery | xuhanp: I have marked it RC1 for now. | 14:48 |
xuhanp | mestery, thanks | 14:49 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1330826 | 14:49 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1330826 in neutron "Neutron network:dhcp port is not assigned EUI64 IPv6 address for SLAAC subnet" [High,In progress] | 14:49 |
xuhanp | that's all I have. Not sure if other members have other things to bring up | 14:49 |
mestery | xuhanp: Thank you! | 14:49 |
mestery | #topic ML2 | 14:49 |
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mestery | rkukura: Hi! | 14:49 |
rkukura | hi | 14:50 |
rkukura | main ML2 activity has been around banix’s work to fix bulk creates to work properly with transactions | 14:50 |
rkukura | mestery: Is that still OK to merge for Juno? | 14:51 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1193861 | 14:51 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193861 in neutron "ML2 plugin needs to override bulk operations" [Medium,In progress] | 14:51 |
mestery | rkukura: That bug ^^^^ | 14:51 |
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rkukura | mestery: right | 14:51 |
mestery | rkukura: I think so, though it has a -1 from kevinbenton at the moment I see. | 14:52 |
mestery | banix: Are you planning to iterate that patch today yet? | 14:52 |
banix | mestery: yes will do | 14:52 |
rkukura | It has seemed very close to merging, but then there was some suggestion of different approaches, etc. | 14:52 |
mestery | banix: OK, thanks,. | 14:52 |
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rkukura | banix: Are you sticking with the current approach? | 14:52 |
amotoki | it seems we already have a consensus on the direction | 14:52 |
mestery | amotoki rkukura: Can you guys work together to try and merge this assuming the approach looks ok? | 14:53 |
rkukura | mestery: yes | 14:53 |
amotoki | mestery: sure | 14:53 |
banix | The only issue seems to be refactoring the code to use bulk for non bulk creates as well | 14:53 |
mestery | Cool, thanks! | 14:53 |
rkukura | anything else on ML2? | 14:53 |
mestery | #info amotoki and rkukura to work together to merge the bulk operations patch from banix before RC1 | 14:53 |
banix | i was thinking we may want to leave that out for now and not touch the non bulk ops | 14:53 |
banix | ok thanks | 14:53 |
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mestery | #topic Horizon | 14:54 |
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mestery | amotoki: I see you added a note here. | 14:54 |
amotoki | almost all work are merged and i will request to review L3-HA support in the horizon meeting two hours after. | 14:54 |
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mestery | amotoki: Awesome! | 14:55 |
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mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:55 |
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kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1255142 | 14:55 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255142 in neutron "unable to get router's external IP when non admin (blocker for VPNaaS)" [Medium,In progress] | 14:55 |
kevinbenton | do we care to get a fix for that into Juno? | 14:55 |
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kevinbenton | salv-orlando had concerns about another API attribute for router that it required | 14:56 |
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mestery | kevinbenton: I haven't reviewed this one yet, so I'll defer to salv-orlando's comments until I have. | 14:57 |
salv-orlando | kevinbenton: It’s been a long time now, I don’t remember. I must view the patch again | 14:57 |
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kevinbenton | salv-orlando: so the patch i had is overkill because it allows R/W to address other use cases, but VPNaaS only requires read | 14:57 |
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kevinbenton | I can propose a read-only one to fix this use case | 14:58 |
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amotoki | another topic on VPNaas, I today put -2 on VPNaaS peer_id validation change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116835/ Input from VPNaaS team would be appreicated. | 14:58 |
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salv-orlando | kevinbenton: sounds good to me. | 14:59 |
mestery | #info Need VPNaaS team to provide input on this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116835/ | 14:59 |
amotoki | I think no discussion is needed here. | 14:59 |
mestery | OK, we're at time now. | 14:59 |
beagles | I have something. Neutron/nova interaction is on the neutron/kilo ether pad | 14:59 |
jschwarz | amotoki++ | 14:59 |
mestery | beagles: Yes | 14:59 |
mestery | We would ideally have this in a cross-project timeslot. | 14:59 |
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mestery | And have the right people there to really make progress on that. Make sense? | 14:59 |
markmcclain | beagles: I've chatted some nova cores about it too | 14:59 |
beagles | I want to look into this. I was discussing refactoring pre juno | 14:59 |
mestery | beagles: Can we add an item for Monday's Neutron meeting agenda perhaps? | 15:00 |
beagles | yes | 15:00 |
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mestery | beagles: Tahnks! Please add it in "Team Discussion Topics" area and we'll allocate time. Thank you! | 15:00 |
mestery | OK, thanks for attending this week everyone! | 15:00 |
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mestery | Juno is almost here, only a little bit of time left. | 15:00 |
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mestery | We'll see you all on the ML and in-channel! | 15:00 |
mestery | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 15:00:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
absubram_ | exit | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-23-14.02.html | 15:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-23-14.02.txt | 15:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-23-14.02.log.html | 15:01 |
markmcclain | bye | 15:01 |
dougwig | bye | 15:01 |
amotoki | bye | 15:01 |
armax | byr | 15:01 |
n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 15:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
obondarev | bye all | 15:01 |
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banix | bye | 15:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:01 |
jaypipes | o/ | 15:01 |
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edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:01 |
jaypipes | o/ | 15:01 |
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mspreitz | o/ | 15:01 |
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bauzas | \o | 15:01 |
edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:01 |
kevinbenton | \\o | 15:01 |
n0ano | great, the day I need to leave after 30 min. and everyone's here :-) | 15:02 |
n0ano | let's get started | 15:02 |
n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:02 |
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n0ano | so bauzas , anything to report? | 15:02 |
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bauzas | n0ano: well, I'm working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119807/ | 15:02 |
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bauzas | n0ano: that one will be a big patch | 15:03 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: I'm about fixing the last unittests by today or tomorrow | 15:03 |
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bauzas | so people can review it | 15:03 |
jaypipes | kk | 15:03 |
bauzas | the main problem will be about the level of changes | 15:03 |
bauzas | we will probably have to see how to split it | 15:04 |
n0ano | just let us know when it's ready and we'll review | 15:04 |
bauzas | PaulMurray: you there ? | 15:04 |
PaulMurray | hi | 15:04 |
* jaypipes still owes everyone the summary breakdown of all the required refactoring pieces | 15:04 | |
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* n0ano didn't want to ping jaypipes too strongly but yes, we're waiting | 15:04 | |
bauzas | jaypipes: agreed | 15:04 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: just lemme know when the etherpad is there, so I can poke it around | 15:05 |
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bauzas | quick summary, we're atm working on fixing the ComputeNode object for providing it to the scheduler | 15:05 |
bauzas | PaulMurray: do you know when you'll have a chance to work on adding the missing field ? | 15:06 |
PaulMurray | bauzas, I will do some work in the coming days, i.e. this week | 15:07 |
bauzas | PaulMurray: k cool | 15:07 |
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bauzas | so, yep, nothing sexy yet | 15:07 |
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n0ano | not at all, isolating the computenode is important | 15:07 |
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n0ano | so, in summary | 15:08 |
n0ano | #action bauzas to cmplet changes set 119807 | 15:08 |
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n0ano | #action jaypipes to provide write up of refactoring steps | 15:08 |
bauzas | +1 | 15:08 |
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n0ano | s/cmplet/complete | 15:09 |
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bauzas | at least, we need to discuss on the claim move | 15:09 |
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n0ano | bauzas, I was expecting that after jaypipes writeup | 15:10 |
bauzas | the first 2 steps (ie. providing ComputeNode to scheduler.update_resource_stats and Request object to select_destinations) seem to be validated | 15:10 |
jaypipes | ++ | 15:10 |
bauzas | k, I think I'm done with that topic | 15:10 |
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n0ano | yeah, hoping this topic will be a little livelier next week | 15:11 |
bauzas | jaypipes: your help, as core, will be helpful to see how we can split https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119807/ | 15:11 |
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n0ano | moving on | 15:12 |
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n0ano | #topic opens | 15:12 |
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bauzas | jaypipes: n0ano: also I'll remove the -W tag once this patch is fixed | 15:12 |
n0ano | anything new anyone wants to discuss today? | 15:12 |
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n0ano | I'm hearing crickets, I hope I didn't scare anyone off today :-) | 15:13 |
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bauzas | :) | 15:14 |
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bauzas | we were discussing about Summit pods last week | 15:14 |
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bauzas | no progress so far AFAIK | 15:14 |
n0ano | I think that's still under discussion on the ML, I think gantt will be well represented no matter what the form of the talks wind up being | 15:15 |
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n0ano | well, depending uon progress on the action items we should have a fuller agenda next week, in the mean time | 15:16 |
n0ano | I'll thank everyone and we'll talk again later | 15:16 |
bauzas | for sure | 15:16 |
bauzas | bye | 15:16 |
n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 15:16:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-09-23-15.01.html | 15:17 |
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primeministerp | #start-meeting hyper-v | 16:01 |
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primeministerp | #start-meeting hyper-v | 16:01 |
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primeministerp | anyway | 16:01 |
primeministerp | alexpilotti: hey there | 16:01 |
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primeministerp | VijayTripathi: hi vijay | 16:02 |
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alexpilotti | Hey there | 16:02 |
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primeministerp | alexpilotti: so let's get into it | 16:03 |
primeministerp | don't know if the meeting bot is working proper | 16:03 |
alexpilotti | Bps? | 16:03 |
primeministerp | yes | 16:03 |
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primeministerp | let's discuss the blueprint for k | 16:03 |
alexpilotti | Topic? :) | 16:03 |
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primeministerp | #topic k blutprints | 16:03 |
primeministerp | #topic k blueprints | 16:03 |
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alexpilotti | Hmmm does not seem like working | 16:04 |
VijayTripathi | Hey Peter | 16:04 |
VijayTripathi | Hey everyone | 16:04 |
primeministerp | it's not | 16:04 |
alexpilotti | Hey VijayTripathi | 16:04 |
primeministerp | let's just continue | 16:04 |
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alexpilotti | Oki, in short: | 16:04 |
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primeministerp | guess if you have a total of what got pushed | 16:05 |
alexpilotti | All bps that we proposed for Juno and didn't get accepted will be resubmitted now | 16:05 |
primeministerp | as expected... | 16:05 |
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alexpilotti | All bps approved in Juno merged | 16:05 |
alexpilotti | So things are on track | 16:06 |
primeministerp | good | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | Highlights will be: | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | SMB support in nova | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | (Cinder side merged this cycle) | 16:06 |
alexpilotti | X509 support in metadata | 16:07 |
alexpilotti | RemoteFX support | 16:07 |
alexpilotti | New bps might include: | 16:07 |
primeministerp | man I thought that went in already | 16:07 |
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alexpilotti | NUMA support | 16:07 |
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primeministerp | k more to be discussed at the summit also I presume. | 16:08 |
alexpilotti | And interactive console (if it merges now for libvirt) | 16:08 |
alexpilotti | Yeah of course | 16:08 |
primeministerp | did the cloudbaseinit bits make get another +2 yet? | 16:08 |
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alexpilotti | Missing one last one | 16:09 |
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primeministerp | any other new bps? | 16:09 |
alexpilotti | Gonna ping some core this week if it doesn't get approved | 16:09 |
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alexpilotti | Useless to propose more, as Nova core team won't have review bandwidth | 16:10 |
primeministerp | k | 16:10 |
primeministerp | bugs? | 16:10 |
alexpilotti | If the plan works | 16:10 |
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alexpilotti | We'll be out of tree in L | 16:11 |
alexpilotti | And then we'll handle review bandwidth as well | 16:11 |
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primeministerp | that will be an achievement | 16:11 |
alexpilotti | Aka lots of bps :-) | 16:12 |
primeministerp | so on the bugfix side of things... | 16:12 |
alexpilotti | Yep | 16:12 |
alexpilotti | The release CI worked amazingly well in catching regressions | 16:12 |
alexpilotti | I'm very pleased with the results | 16:13 |
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primeministerp | execellent | 16:13 |
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alexpilotti | All relevant bugs were fixed | 16:13 |
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primeministerp | and are we on track w/ the "packaging" for paris? | 16:14 |
alexpilotti | And we are doing backports as well | 16:14 |
alexpilotti | Yep, all good | 16:14 |
primeministerp | even better | 16:14 |
primeministerp | k then | 16:14 |
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primeministerp | VijayTripathi: on the pip issue from this morning | 16:14 |
primeministerp | VijayTripathi: is it due to a dependancy we weren't tracking w/ puppet? | 16:15 |
alexpilotti | About backporting, Claudiub is getting voted for +2 rights on stable | 16:15 |
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primeministerp | alexpilotti: awesome! | 16:15 |
alexpilotti | See stable ML thread | 16:15 |
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primeministerp | thinkg VijayTripathi is sleeping | 16:16 |
alexpilotti | Guys, I'm typing this while traveling, need to disconnect for 5' | 16:16 |
primeministerp | on that note i'll follow up w/ him | 16:16 |
primeministerp | alexpilotti: I need to also | 16:16 |
primeministerp | let's end it here | 16:16 |
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primeministerp | we'll catch up more later | 16:16 |
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VijayTripathi | that's correct | 16:20 |
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VijayTripathi | dep was getting installed automatically as part of oslo.config | 16:21 |
VijayTripathi | we'll take care of it through puppet | 16:21 |
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morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, x-eye https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:58 |
stevemar | o/ | 17:58 |
morganfainberg | it's that time of week again! | 17:59 |
raildo | o/ | 17:59 |
ayoung | Oyez oyez | 17:59 |
dstanek | \o | 17:59 |
lbragstad | hey | 17:59 |
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bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
rharwood | \o | 18:00 |
morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 18:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
morganfainberg | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:00 |
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morganfainberg | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:00 |
morganfainberg | we're really close! | 18:01 |
topol | o/ | 18:01 |
topol | Yay! | 18:01 |
morganfainberg | There are a couple things gating, if all goes well they'll land today, then we can get RC cut. | 18:01 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, those two memcached bugs are fixed by the reivew I just +Aed? | 18:01 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, yep | 18:01 |
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dstanek | morganfainberg: that config option is back now? | 18:02 |
gyee | \o | 18:02 |
ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119452/ | 18:02 |
morganfainberg | dstanek, which one? | 18:02 |
dstanek | morganfainberg: socket_timeout maybe? | 18:02 |
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morganfainberg | wasn't lost in keystone server | 18:02 |
morganfainberg | the middleware one needs it re-added | 18:02 |
dstanek | morganfainberg: ah ok | 18:02 |
dstanek | is it back in middleware then? | 18:02 |
morganfainberg | dstanek, it will be when I repost it ;) | 18:03 |
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dstanek | morganfainberg: excellent :-) | 18:03 |
morganfainberg | or when YorikSar does (whichever of us gets to it first today) | 18:03 |
morganfainberg | #link https://gist.github.com/dolph/651c6a1748f69637abd0 | 18:03 |
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morganfainberg | those are the outstanding reviews for blocking keystone / middleware / client | 18:03 |
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morganfainberg | as you might notice, client has none. and 0.11.1 is released! | 18:04 |
stevemar | yay for client | 18:04 |
ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106838/ should have been in there | 18:04 |
bknudson | barely broken anything this time. | 18:04 |
dstanek | i'm generally very happy with the pool now that it is based on Queue and not the default - would love to get more eyes on it still | 18:04 |
morganfainberg | as soon as middleware has those reviews land we'll cut the middleware release. | 18:04 |
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morganfainberg | #topic keystonemiddleware release | 18:04 |
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morganfainberg | bknudson, anything to add? | 18:05 |
bknudson | morganfainberg: nope, just wondering if it was planned | 18:05 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, as soon as we can be done fighting with the gate. | 18:05 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, so... today? tomororw? very soon™ | 18:05 |
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morganfainberg | #topic auth_token support identity v3 for service user auth | 18:05 |
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morganfainberg | bknudson, o/ again :) | 18:06 |
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bknudson | I get asked a lot about using domains for service users | 18:06 |
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gyee | bknudson, yes | 18:06 |
bknudson | especially since we've got the per-domain backend | 18:06 |
bknudson | but that wouldn't work because you can't set the domain for auth_token | 18:06 |
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bknudson | so I proposed a change to support it... | 18:06 |
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bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123011/ | 18:07 |
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bknudson | and here's the devstack change to make it easy to configure it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123012/ | 18:07 |
bknudson | also, I changed devstack to put all the auth token configuration in one place (in lib/keystone) | 18:07 |
gyee | bknudson, no | 18:07 |
gyee | service user auth should be done by plugin | 18:08 |
gyee | so those should be registered by password auth plugin | 18:08 |
bknudson | gyee: I know it should be... wasn't sure how to do it though | 18:08 |
gyee | didn't jamielennox have a patch to make auth_token middleware support auth plugin? | 18:08 |
gyee | bknudson, configure a plugin class | 18:08 |
gyee | then dynamically local that class and register the params | 18:09 |
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gyee | s/local/load/ | 18:09 |
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bknudson | this looks like it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115857/ | 18:09 |
bknudson | I'll take a look at that one instead | 18:09 |
gyee | close, but that patch is not quite doing it right | 18:10 |
bknudson | gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115857/ isn't right either? | 18:10 |
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gyee | no | 18:10 |
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gyee | the plugin should register whatever params it need | 18:10 |
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bknudson | alright... let me mark mine wip and take a look at jamie's | 18:11 |
bknudson | we can take this discussion to gerrit | 18:12 |
gyee | whole point of supporting auth plugin is to allow different auth mechanisms | 18:12 |
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bknudson | can we have it pick the auth plugin from the options? | 18:13 |
bknudson | and have all options for all auth plugin options registered? | 18:13 |
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gyee | bknudson, right | 18:14 |
ayoung | lets get bknudson 's chang in, and then debate jamies | 18:14 |
ayoung | I think jamies goes further, but needs some of what is in bknudson 's anyway | 18:14 |
gyee | ayoung, that's fine, we can do the step approach | 18:14 |
gyee | if we truly support auth plugin, then do this right | 18:14 |
bknudson | I took off the wip if we're willing to take this step (which is just using v3 password auth instead of v2) | 18:14 |
ayoung | yes, lets | 18:15 |
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morganfainberg | #topic Bug Triage | 18:16 |
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morganfainberg | Ok, so the goal is to get all bugs out of new state for Keystone, Keystoneclient and Middleware | 18:17 |
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morganfainberg | when you triage the bugs, make sure you get the priority and the status set. Once we have the "new" bug list under control I'm planning on firing up a bot that reports new-untriaged bugs once every 2h to the -keystone channel | 18:17 |
ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.aff | 18:17 |
ayoung | ects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on | 18:17 |
ayoung | ugh | 18:18 |
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gyee | wow | 18:18 |
morganfainberg | right now we have ~17 in keystone, 5 in keystoneclient, and 4 in middleware i think | 18:18 |
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ayoung | yeah, we need a better way to do that url...one sec | 18:18 |
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morganfainberg | ideally we should never go more than a weekend between a bug report and the bug getting triaged. | 18:19 |
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ayoung | http://bit.ly/1pbPPCs | 18:19 |
ayoung | 16 new in Keystone | 18:19 |
gyee | ayoung ftw! | 18:19 |
morganfainberg | obviously there are a ton of bugs gaining dust in the backlog, i know lbragstad, stevemar, and I have been trying to clean the dead ones up. | 18:19 |
morganfainberg | but lets focus on getting everything triaged (that means prioritsed and not "new") and we can plan backlog cleanup a little more "as we have time to" | 18:20 |
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rodrigods | are there any bugs for Juno RC1 needing patches? or it is just matter of reviewing the existent ones? | 18:20 |
morganfainberg | rodrigods, RC1 is almost complete, should be ready to go today or tomorrow. | 18:20 |
stevemar | i think all the rc1 bugs are completed | 18:20 |
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rodrigods | great | 18:21 |
morganfainberg | rodrigods, so unless there is a new bug we need to address, (i hope not!) all are addressed | 18:21 |
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rodrigods | let's hop not =) | 18:21 |
morganfainberg | exactly | 18:21 |
stevemar | morganfainberg, do we want to go through the new bugs now or later in -keystone | 18:22 |
morganfainberg | stevemar, lets see if we have time when we hit the end of the agenda | 18:22 |
morganfainberg | we probably do have time. | 18:22 |
morganfainberg | #topic Kilo Summit Sessions Discussion | 18:22 |
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morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-kilo-summit-sessions | 18:22 |
morganfainberg | Please file thoughts in the etherpad! we'll use that to help figure out our sessions for the summit. | 18:23 |
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bknudson | Looks like there's plenty of ideas for topics | 18:23 |
morganfainberg | we should have 6 or 7 sessions and either a 1/2 or full day meetup | 18:23 |
morganfainberg | details are still being worked out so not set in stone. | 18:23 |
bknudson | I'd expect it to be hard to get a lot done in a 1/2 day meedup. | 18:24 |
morganfainberg | a lot of the ideas can be consolidated into "like" sessions, and anything that is a "yes we should do it" will not be it's own session but maybe a topic we talk about in the hall/pod/meetup | 18:24 |
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bknudson | take 1/2 day to figure out what to cover. | 18:24 |
gyee | are we planning an unconference session in Amsterdam? | 18:24 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, i think the meetup is meant to be like the pod sessions last time | 18:24 |
morganfainberg | in atl | 18:24 |
raildo | morganfainberg, Apparently, when I delete a project in Keystone, The Nova is not notified of this change, so it can not delete their instances and update their quotas. | 18:25 |
raildo | I saw that there is a notification code in Keystone but I do not know if the problem is that Nova non consumes their notification. | 18:25 |
raildo | Do you know tell me if this really is a problem, and if it would be possible (or necessary) a design session to discuss how to resolve this? | 18:25 |
morganfainberg | raildo, notifications need to be turned on and nova needs to listen for them. | 18:25 |
stevemar | ++ | 18:25 |
dstanek | raildo: sounds more like a bug than a design session | 18:25 |
morganfainberg | raildo, if it isn't working as intended, it is likely a bug | 18:25 |
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raildo | dstanek, OK | 18:26 |
gyee | same goes with Swift account deletion | 18:26 |
bknudson | and neutron networks | 18:26 |
morganfainberg | gyee, and barbican secrets? items? whatevet they call them | 18:26 |
gyee | yes, yes, and yes | 18:26 |
raildo | and the another thing is I'm proposing a design session about hierarchical projects in cross projects, because we are implementing hierarchical projects in Horizon and we are supporting an implementation in Nova about hierarchical quotas. | 18:26 |
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raildo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 18:27 |
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raildo | dstanek, morganfainberg This is the right place to suggest this session? How can I get the Keystone folks "support" to discuss this? | 18:27 |
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stevemar | raildo, letting us know here was a good start | 18:27 |
morganfainberg | raildo, this and the etherpad are absolutely the right place to start talking about it :) | 18:27 |
raildo | great :) | 18:28 |
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vdreamarkitex | Question: aren't projects being identified as tenants? | 18:28 |
vdreamarkitex | [Forgive the noob] | 18:28 |
ayoung | vdreamarkitex, yep | 18:28 |
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gyee | only on Tuesdays though | 18:29 |
vdreamarkitex | thanks for the clarification. | 18:29 |
vdreamarkitex | :-) | 18:29 |
ayoung | vdreamarkitex, tenants and projects have been used interchangably. We are trying to standardized on the term projects | 18:29 |
stevemar | vdreamarkitex, they are, forgive the name multitenancy - multiprojectcy actually sounded worse | 18:29 |
* ayoung mutters | 18:29 | |
rodrigods | another great discussion (or not) would be about changing domain_id to parent_project_id =) | 18:29 |
vdreamarkitex | rotfl :-) | 18:29 |
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morganfainberg | hah | 18:30 |
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ayoung | rodrigods, you mean, making there be no distinction between projects and domains? Making domains top level projects? | 18:30 |
stevemar | rodrigods, i think you would make ayoung happy | 18:30 |
* ayoung never happy | 18:30 | |
* ayoung grump | 18:30 | |
rodrigods | ayoung, ++ | 18:30 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, lies, you were happy for a moment when we gated on apache. only a moment though | 18:31 |
* ayoung admits did crack smile then | 18:31 | |
raildo | this would be a hot discussion! hahaha | 18:31 |
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stevemar | rodrigods, add it to the etherpad, we can discuss at the summit | 18:31 |
bknudson | I thought that was discussed at the last summit -- merging domains and projects | 18:32 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, it was | 18:32 |
stevemar | the keystone etherpad | 18:32 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, and i thnk the one before it too | 18:32 |
rodrigods | stevemar, will add and let raildo do the honors =) | 18:32 |
gyee | multidomaincy? | 18:32 |
lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-kilo-summit-sessions | 18:32 |
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morganfainberg | gyee, #veto | 18:32 |
gyee | haha | 18:32 |
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morganfainberg | that one is worse than multiprojectcy | 18:33 |
raildo | rodrigods, ++ | 18:33 |
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c0okie | Hi there | 18:33 |
morganfainberg | anything else on summit discussions? | 18:33 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, lets just say that there is too much and leave it at that | 18:34 |
morganfainberg | #topic Open Discussion | 18:34 |
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morganfainberg | Anything else before we head on to bug triaging and the bug report | 18:34 |
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ayoung | PTL elections are open. dolphm is not running, morganfainberg is running. If you want to run, throw your name in the hat now | 18:34 |
c0okie | (Sorry I'm french so I don't understand hard sentences :/) | 18:34 |
ayoung | and may god have mercy on your soul..... | 18:34 |
henrynash | (henry joined….apologies for being late) | 18:34 |
morganfainberg | henrynash, welcome. | 18:35 |
morganfainberg | c0okie no worries. and welcome | 18:35 |
* ayoung not running. | 18:35 | |
* ayoung running in opposite direction | 18:35 | |
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c0okie | Thank you morganfainberg :) | 18:36 |
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* dstanek goes to nominate ayoung for fun | 18:36 | |
henrynash | yes, ayoung for president | 18:36 |
morganfainberg | #topic Bug Triage / Weekly Bug Report | 18:36 |
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henrynash | oh, sorry, not that election | 18:36 |
morganfainberg | stevemar, o/ | 18:36 |
morganfainberg | or lbragstad o/ | 18:36 |
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lbragstad | #link http://keystone-weekly-bug-report.tempusfrangit.org/weekly-bug-reports/keystone-weekly-bug-report.html | 18:36 |
lbragstad | weekly report is looking good, shortest it's been in weeks | 18:37 |
ayoung | I will take the Sherman approach | 18:37 |
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lbragstad | so thanks to everyone for stepping up the bug triage | 18:37 |
bknudson | "Spelling error in keystone/common/utils.py" looks pretty bad | 18:37 |
stevemar | bknudson, sev 1 right there | 18:37 |
bknudson | I don't think we need bugs for spelling errors. | 18:37 |
henrynash | bknudson: yes, I know …we’ll have to hold up Juno I think | 18:37 |
ayoung | "If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve." | 18:37 |
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c0okie | What's the subject of this discussion ? :x | 18:38 |
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ayoung | c0okie, this is a keystone team weekly meeting | 18:38 |
stevemar | lbragstad, what's the criteria used to filter the bugs? | 18:38 |
bknudson | the bug about "glance exploding on config parsing" was an odd one... | 18:38 |
c0okie | Okay thanks | 18:38 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, agreed. | 18:38 |
lbragstad | stevemar: I have a script that scrubs launchpad for bugs every 15 minutes | 18:38 |
bknudson | short of it is that glance would fail in grenade due to running with a really old oslo.config | 18:38 |
bknudson | so it wasn't what you might have expected. | 18:39 |
lbragstad | and pulls the latest bugs that are open | 18:39 |
lbragstad | stevemar: or in 'New', 'Confirmed', 'Triaged', 'In Progress' states | 18:40 |
stevemar | here are the links i use for open bugs, the URLs are too long for irc: https://gist.github.com/stevemart/f4ccc624a54e18032a3a | 18:40 |
morganfainberg | here is a current list of bugs that are in "new" state. https://gist.github.com/morganfainberg/7baeb6c97e75b7a2adb5 | 18:41 |
henrynash | bknudson: (fyi, the bug reports on spelling mistakes were raised to create some (really) low hanging fruit for first contributors to learn the ropes) | 18:41 |
morganfainberg | stevemar, hehe | 18:41 |
lbragstad | stevemar: nice | 18:41 |
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stevemar | morganfainberg, HA | 18:41 |
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stevemar | so https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1368097 looks interesting | 18:42 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368097 in keystone "UnicodeDecodeError using ldap backend" [Low,New] | 18:42 |
morganfainberg | lbragstad, stevemar, i'll create an auto-updating gist (unless one of you wants to) that has the untriaged bugs. will run it the same way we run the bot once things are sufficiently "not" spammy" | 18:42 |
bknudson | henrynash: ok... Just want people to know I'm not going to -1 because there's no bug for a spelling fix. | 18:42 |
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dstanek | stevemar: that's the one i'm looking at now :-) | 18:42 |
lbragstad | morganfainberg: cool | 18:42 |
henrynash | bknudson: agreed with that too | 18:42 |
ayoung | hey, are we good with deprecating the CLI altogether and going with the common client? | 18:42 |
c0okie | I'm lost... | 18:42 |
ayoung | I think there are now some things we can only do with common | 18:42 |
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dstanek | i think their example is flawed | 18:43 |
bknudson | ayoung: keystone CLI only supports v2, so there's lots of things you can't do | 18:43 |
bknudson | create groups | 18:43 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, i don't think we can deprecate the CLI *yet*. but i'd defer that convo to jamielennox and stevemar. | 18:43 |
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stevemar | ayoung, i'd love for that to happen, but not just yet | 18:43 |
morganfainberg | the only reason is we need to maintain compatibility for those folks who are on older deployments but use modern clients | 18:43 |
stevemar | ++ | 18:43 |
bknudson | also, I think it's a wider question if unified CLI is considered stable yet. | 18:43 |
lbragstad | henrynash: I think a 'low-hanging-fruit' tag got started too, there might be some good stuff in there too for new devs | 18:43 |
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henrynash | lbragstad: yep, agreed | 18:44 |
bknudson | I think the keystone CLI is confusing people. They'll keep using it and complaining that it doesn't support some operation until it goes away | 18:44 |
ayoung | morganfainberg, deprecation should be acceptable so long as there is nothing you can do only with the keystone cli. | 18:44 |
ayoung | Let me take that as a todo | 18:44 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:44 |
henrynash | bknudson: ++ | 18:44 |
bknudson | first, we should take the todo to remove all references to keystone in our docs. | 18:44 |
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stevemar | bknudson, getting there, i'm adding a function test jobs now to make sure we don't regress - but we're super short of people power | 18:44 |
bknudson | first, our own docs | 18:44 |
stevemar | bknudson, +100 on that one | 18:45 |
bknudson | then, the general keystone docs. | 18:45 |
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henrynash | stevemar: what do we need to do….can I help? | 18:45 |
stevemar | i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1369401 can be closed as won't fix also, it's v2 related | 18:45 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1369401 in keystone "Multiple services with same name and type" [Undecided,New] | 18:45 |
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lbragstad | jsonschema validation went in for v3 only | 18:46 |
morganfainberg | stevemar, the reporter says we can mark it wont fix | 18:46 |
bknudson | lbragstad: we should look at integrating json schema and json home. | 18:47 |
bknudson | maybe there's a way to publish the json schema through the json home doc. | 18:47 |
lbragstad | bknudson: that's an idea | 18:47 |
stevemar | henrynash, review the current patches, see for yourself if anything *keystone* related is missing. I think a vote of confidence from more cores is what dtroyer is looking for to mark it 1.0 | 18:47 |
bknudson | another idea for the summit | 18:47 |
lbragstad | bknudson: is someone else doing that? | 18:47 |
lbragstad | Zaqar? | 18:47 |
henrynash | stevemar: link? | 18:47 |
bknudson | lbragstad: I think nova is looking at publishing their json schema | 18:47 |
bknudson | lbragstad: but they don't have json home | 18:47 |
stevemar | morganfainberg, marking it appropriately! | 18:47 |
morganfainberg | stevemar, already done | 18:48 |
lbragstad | bknudson: gotcha | 18:48 |
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dstanek | does anyone test on DB2? i have no idea how to deal with https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1340793 | 18:48 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1340793 in cinder "DB2 deadlock error not detected" [High,Confirmed] | 18:48 |
ayoung | dstanek, bknudson does | 18:48 |
ayoung | as does topol | 18:48 |
stevemar | henrynash, open patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:+openstack/python-openstackclient,n,z look for `keystone auth plugins` and `functional tests` | 18:48 |
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lbragstad | bknudson: publishing there v3 extension schemas/ | 18:49 |
lbragstad | ? | 18:49 |
ayoung | dstanek, OTOH, lbragstad, does not test on DB2 anymore | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | ayoung, this looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1211586 a spec? is it a bug? | 18:49 |
bknudson | dstanek: since we use oslo.db this should be handled in oslo.db. | 18:49 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211586 in keystone "Disable user lists without a filter" [Wishlist,New] | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | happy to mark it confirmed if we need it as a bug for tracking. | 18:49 |
stevemar | gotta bail a bit early today... i'll read this when i get back | 18:49 |
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stevemar | o\ | 18:49 |
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dstanek | bknudson: can it be marked as invalid for keystone then? | 18:50 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, it is a wishlist item...I think that is the appropriate starting place...if the fix got too big, then, yeah , a spec | 18:50 |
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morganfainberg | ok will mark as confirme | 18:50 |
morganfainberg | d | 18:50 |
ayoung | it really is just to keep people from hanging themselse against slower keystones with large userlists | 18:50 |
bknudson | dstanek: yes, I'll mark it invalid for keystone | 18:51 |
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ayoung | ugh, typing openstack with no params drops you into a shell | 18:51 |
mordred | ayoung: I almost never want that, btw | 18:52 |
ayoung | mordred, you mean sometimes you do? Like, when? | 18:52 |
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mordred | ayoung: never | 18:53 |
clarkb | is openstack an alias for bash now? | 18:53 |
ayoung | #!/usr/bin/openstack | 18:53 |
topol | bknudson perhaps tests with DB2? | 18:53 |
mordred | neutron does the same thing | 18:54 |
bknudson | topol: yes, I can run with db2 pretty easily | 18:54 |
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ayoung | ugh. -h doesn't even list the commands, just all of the --os-* flags | 18:54 |
morganfainberg | lbragstad, this looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1370022 a wishlist/low since there is a "work around" in the bug | 18:54 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370022 in keystone "Keystone cannot cope with being behind an SSL terminator for version list" [Undecided,New] | 18:54 |
ayoung | Could not load EntryPoint.parse('aggregate_add_host = openstackclient.compute.v2.aggregate:AddAggregateHost') | 18:54 |
morganfainberg | lbragstad, more of an enhancement to make it more friendly (something worht considering for Kilo) | 18:54 |
bknudson | dstanek: I can't update the status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1340793 , it just times out | 18:54 |
morganfainberg | lbragstad, thoughts? | 18:55 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1340793 in cinder "DB2 deadlock error not detected" [High,Confirmed] | 18:55 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, yay LP | 18:55 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, trying to set as invalid? | 18:55 |
lbragstad | morganfainberg: yeah, that makes sense | 18:55 |
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bknudson | morganfainberg: I tried invalid a few times and also fix released since we've got the change in oslo | 18:55 |
dstanek | morganfainberg: we should be dealing with the header properly, but i can understand not | 18:56 |
bknudson | morganfainberg: oslo-incubator says fix released so we must have picked it up. | 18:56 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, i just marked it invalid. | 18:56 |
bknudson | morganfainberg: how? | 18:56 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, LP didn't timeout for me... | 18:56 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, :P | 18:56 |
morganfainberg | bknudson, probably dumb luck | 18:56 |
* topol morganfainberg mark them ALL invalid :-) | 18:56 | |
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lbragstad | 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
bknudson | open a lauchpad bug that launchpad times out. | 18:57 |
bknudson | they probably use bugzilla | 18:57 |
lbragstad | lol | 18:57 |
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topol | bknudson +++ | 18:57 |
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morganfainberg | ok we're at time. | 18:58 |
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morganfainberg | lets continue in -keystone | 18:58 |
morganfainberg | thanks everyone! | 18:58 |
morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 18:58:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-23-18.00.html | 18:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-23-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-09-23-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
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jeblair | infra folks? | 19:00 |
anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
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clarkb | hi there | 19:00 |
ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
ociuhandu | hi all | 19:00 |
fungi | howdy | 19:00 |
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krotscheck | o/ | 19:01 |
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bswartz | I'm double booked but I'm here | 19:01 |
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jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 19:02:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
krtaylor | o/ | 19:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
jhesketh | Morning | 19:02 |
jeblair | #link last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-16-19.01.html | 19:02 |
VijayTripathi | Hi all | 19:02 |
jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
jeblair | jhesketh rework 109485 to impact only infra jobs | 19:02 |
krtaylor | hey everybody | 19:02 |
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jeblair | oh let's just jump to swift logs | 19:02 |
jeblair | #topic swift logs | 19:02 |
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jeblair | jhesketh: still working on 109485? | 19:03 |
jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109485/ | 19:03 |
jhesketh | I put it up as a new review, let me dig up the link sorry | 19:03 |
jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps | 19:03 |
clarkb | jhesketh: 122154? | 19:04 |
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jhesketh | clarkb: yep, that's it | 19:04 |
jeblair | #link reworked 109485 is 122154 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122154 | 19:05 |
jeblair | updated etherpad | 19:05 |
jeblair | okay, so that's something we should review soon to unblock this | 19:05 |
clarkb | looks straighforward too. I will review post meeting | 19:06 |
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jeblair | anything else on swift-logs? | 19:06 |
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jhesketh | 122159 is also related but not blocking | 19:07 |
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jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122159 | 19:07 |
anteaya | jhesketh: can you add that to the etherpad too? | 19:07 |
jhesketh | Otherwise I think we just want to review how switching over infra logs goes | 19:08 |
jeblair | sounds good | 19:08 |
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jhesketh | anteaya: yep, I will later :-) | 19:08 |
anteaya | jhesketh: thanks | 19:08 |
jeblair | #topic Config repo split | 19:08 |
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jeblair | so first part of this is this spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 19:09 |
jeblair | nibalizer: did you start a storyboard story for that? | 19:09 |
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pleia2 | he's puppetconfing today, not sure if he's here (I found corner to do meeting :)) | 19:09 |
jeblair | i don't see one | 19:09 |
jeblair | this is pretty much blocked on someone filing a story, and a task for each project so that people can actually get started on it | 19:10 |
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jeblair | any volunteers to do that? | 19:10 |
nibalizer | i didn't do that, sorry | 19:10 |
nibalizer | ill do it now | 19:10 |
jeblair | #action nibalizer file a story with a task for each project for http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/puppet-modules.html | 19:11 |
jeblair | the second part of this is http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/config-repo-split.html | 19:11 |
jeblair | i believe we are actually ready to go on that | 19:11 |
jeblair | i have a series of puppet changes up | 19:11 |
jeblair | and anteaya has prepared a strawman project-config repo | 19:12 |
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anteaya | I think I have the repos in the two stages they need to be in | 19:12 |
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jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:project-config,n,z | 19:12 |
anteaya | one after the git filter branch and one after the filter branched has been reorganized | 19:12 |
fungi | assuming changes look good to everyone, do we want to pick a day this week to freeze and do it? | 19:12 |
clarkb | so that is just needing review? | 19:12 |
jeblair | #link https://github.com/anteaya/project-config | 19:12 |
jeblair | #link https://github.com/anteaya/reorganized-project-config-02 | 19:12 |
anteaya | clarkb: I believe yes | 19:12 |
mordred | jeblair: so sequence is land new anteaya repo, then land config changes, then land change to config to remove stuff? | 19:13 |
anteaya | and please review the two git repos as well, so I can fix anything that is incorrect | 19:13 |
clarkb | mordred: with a freeze in the middle | 19:13 |
mordred | yah | 19:13 |
fungi | freeze as step #0 i think | 19:13 |
mordred | wrap that whole thing in "obtain write-lock" | 19:13 |
jeblair | i think anteaya is anticipating that we would do the reorganization after the project-config import | 19:13 |
anteaya | that is what I have planned | 19:14 |
anteaya | since the reorg commit will be big | 19:14 |
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anteaya | and would prefer to have it done via gerrit | 19:14 |
anteaya | rather than locally | 19:14 |
mordred | gotcha | 19:14 |
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anteaya | open to opinons | 19:14 |
jeblair | mordred: so that's: land anteaya new repo, land project-config reorg, land puppet changes, land change to config to remove stuff | 19:14 |
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jeblair | i think that will work fine | 19:14 |
jeblair | anteaya: ^ | 19:15 |
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fungi | wfm | 19:15 |
anteaya | I haven't done the config change to remove stuff, but I can | 19:15 |
anteaya | and that is also a config rename at the same time, is it not? | 19:15 |
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anteaya | config -> system-config | 19:15 |
jeblair | we need to create the gate jobs for the project-config repo; that's not done yet, | 19:15 |
anteaya | ah | 19:15 |
clarkb | that plan sounds good to me | 19:16 |
fungi | anteaya: depending on your preferences, you may just want to script up the steps to do the delete-stuff change. otherwise it's going to conflict heavily between now and when we freeze | 19:16 |
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jeblair | though it might be easier to add the jobs after the repo exists | 19:16 |
anteaya | I can work on the commands to do the delete stuff change | 19:16 |
fungi | repo first, then jobs, i think | 19:16 |
anteaya | and put up a repo for review on github | 19:16 |
jeblair | anteaya: we do want to do a config -> system-config rename, but it doesn't have to happen at the same time; we probably need a few more puppet changes for that. | 19:16 |
anteaya | then offer the patch in the freeze | 19:16 |
jeblair | so, as far as scheduling goes... | 19:17 |
anteaya | okay I can do a config delete stuff patch then | 19:17 |
jeblair | i'm going to be away for 1.5 weeks starting saturday | 19:17 |
fungi | yeah, i think we're better off planning for a breather between the split and the rename just to shake out oddness | 19:17 |
anteaya | kk | 19:17 |
anteaya | how about I do up an etherpad of steps | 19:17 |
anteaya | based on what we have identified | 19:18 |
anteaya | and then we can go from there | 19:18 |
jeblair | which means we (a) rush it in this week; (b) you do it without me; (c) we do it after i get back (> oct 8) | 19:18 |
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anteaya | which do you prefer? | 19:18 |
anteaya | I don't feel rushed if we do it this week | 19:18 |
anteaya | just wednesday is bad for me | 19:18 |
fungi | this week seems reasonable to get the split knocked out, and as long as everyone else isn't also taking vacation i expect we can handle issues which crop up once the split bakes in production while jeblair enjoys a much-deserved vacation | 19:18 |
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anteaya | I concur with fungi | 19:19 |
mordred | I'm booked today and tomorrow, but should be available to be helpful thursday and friday | 19:19 |
mordred | as well as next week | 19:19 |
clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:19 |
anteaya | thursday or friday is good for me too | 19:19 |
fungi | thursday seems like a good day | 19:19 |
clarkb | why don't we try for thursday then? | 19:19 |
pleia2 | I'm out thursday for a holiday, but you can probably do without me :) | 19:19 |
fungi | i'm open every day this week, and around for the forseeable future until the summit | 19:19 |
anteaya | it will take me about 45 minutes after the freeze to do the filter branch | 19:19 |
mordred | kk | 19:19 |
anteaya | so the freeze should be at least 2 hours | 19:20 |
fungi | pleia2: thursday's a holiday? | 19:20 |
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mordred | I think we can be frozen for the whole day if need be | 19:20 |
anteaya | rosh hashana | 19:20 |
anteaya | eating and temple | 19:20 |
pleia2 | fungi: rosh hashanah | 19:20 |
fungi | aha! yes, i totally forgot that was this week | 19:20 |
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anteaya | so 1900 utc on thursday? | 19:20 |
* jhesketh will be around to help where he can | 19:21 | |
jeblair | how about we freeze starting at 00:01 utc thursday | 19:21 |
anteaya | and I will have an etherpad to track set up | 19:21 |
jeblair | (which is wed evening for most of us) | 19:21 |
anteaya | jeblair: oh I'm fine with that | 19:21 |
fungi | sounds fine by me | 19:21 |
clarkb | jeblair: sounds good | 19:21 |
fungi | a day-long freeze for config changes should be bearable to the project | 19:21 |
mordred | if it's not, the project can learn patience | 19:21 |
clarkb | then we start the work when people wake up the next "day" | 19:21 |
fungi | heh | 19:21 |
jeblair | clarkb: yep | 19:21 |
fungi | i guess we'll remind jhesketh, SergeyLukjanov and me not to approve any config changes starting at 0 hours thursday utc | 19:22 |
clarkb | should remind all of us :) | 19:23 |
jhesketh | Noted | 19:23 |
fungi | indeed | 19:23 |
jeblair | when should we target unfreezing? | 19:23 |
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fungi | "when it's done?" | 19:23 |
jeblair | heh, works for me :) | 19:23 |
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anteaya | I'm for that | 19:23 |
fungi | done and reasonably seeming to be not-broken | 19:24 |
anteaya | yes to the non-brokenness | 19:24 |
jeblair | #agreed freeze project config changes 00:01 utc thursday sept 25 | 19:24 |
krtaylor | ++ | 19:24 |
fungi | party goes until question marks | 19:24 |
jeblair | #agreed cutover to project-config repo thursday morning us-time | 19:24 |
fungi | all invited to attend | 19:24 |
jeblair | anteaya: that means you can do your work wed night or thurs morning, whichever works better | 19:25 |
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anteaya | I was just thinking I can have the new repo and repo regorg done my wed night | 19:25 |
jeblair | #action jeblair send project-config announcement to -dev list | 19:25 |
anteaya | then if jhesketh wants some fun he can do the jobs patches during the night, his day | 19:26 |
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anteaya | and the great merging can happen thursday daytime north america time | 19:26 |
anteaya | jhesketh: does that work for you? | 19:26 |
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jhesketh | anteaya: yep, I can help review if you remind me :-) | 19:26 |
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anteaya | jhesketh: thanks | 19:26 |
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AJaeger_ | do you want to merge in some config changes before Thursday? | 19:27 |
jeblair | anything else on this one? | 19:27 |
jeblair | AJaeger_: good point, we should try to clear out as much of those as possible today and tomorrow | 19:27 |
AJaeger_ | I mean: Should we clean the queue as much as possible - or not? | 19:27 |
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fungi | we probably should, yes | 19:28 |
AJaeger_ | and perhaps ask in your announcement mail to not submit new changes... | 19:28 |
pleia2 | or "don't expect them to be merged until..." | 19:28 |
anteaya | fungi: can you be around wednesday night to merge the repo with manage projects? then we can offer patches to it like the reorg patch | 19:28 |
fungi | eh, just warn that new changes proposed may need reworking or abandoning and reproposing to a different project after the split | 19:28 |
pleia2 | fungi: yeah | 19:29 |
jeblair | anteaya, fungi: i think we can do that thurs morning | 19:29 |
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anteaya | since folks won't read it anyway and it will give us something to point to when we tell them that afterward | 19:29 |
anteaya | jeblair: okay | 19:29 |
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AJaeger_ | ;) | 19:29 |
fungi | anteaya: jeblair: yeah i think we do that with the other changes in sequence. no need to split them up overnight | 19:29 |
anteaya | fungi: kk | 19:30 |
jeblair | in fact, you doing the prop wed night; and fungi merging it thurs morning may work out really well timing wise | 19:30 |
jeblair | s/prop/prep/ | 19:30 |
anteaya | okay | 19:30 |
fungi | if we're impatient, there are ways to speed up the patch taking effect when we're working on it | 19:30 |
jeblair | ya | 19:30 |
anteaya | no, just wanting to be efficient is all | 19:30 |
anteaya | not impatient | 19:30 |
jeblair | #topic Nodepool DIB | 19:31 |
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mordred | yay! | 19:31 |
fungi | i meant if we get impatient because it's blocking us merging other changes depending on that existing | 19:31 |
jeblair | so this is sorta happening :) | 19:31 |
clarkb | wip | 19:31 |
mordred | jeblair++ | 19:31 |
anteaya | fungi: ah yes | 19:31 |
clarkb | I am hoping that by this afternoon we will have restarted nodepool and have our first image built | 19:31 |
jeblair | we ran into an error in production, fixed it and some other things after local testing, and i think we're about ready to try in prod again | 19:31 |
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jeblair | i still haven't built an image locally, and i'm not sure why; i suspect it may be a disk space issue, but the error output is not helpful :( | 19:32 |
fungi | i can help/do a nodepool restart after this meeting, since i'll mostly just be lurking the tc/project meetings at that point | 19:32 |
jeblair | at any rate; i don't think it's going to kill production | 19:32 |
mordred | jeblair: I'd love to learn more about what broke for you | 19:32 |
jeblair | me too | 19:32 |
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clarkb | fungi: ya me too. watiing on the logging change to merge though | 19:33 |
jeblair | 2014-09-23 18:31:51,010 INFO nodepool.image.build.devstack-trusty-dib: umount2: Invalid argument | 19:33 |
jeblair | 2014-09-23 18:31:51,093 INFO nodepool.image.build.devstack-trusty-dib: umount: /tmp/image.lyVl2cy4: not mounted | 19:33 |
jeblair | mordred: that's the end of the dib log for me. :/ | 19:33 |
ianw | jeblair: that looks like the exit cleanup, real issue will be before that | 19:33 |
ianw | (seen that a fair bit :) | 19:34 |
jeblair | ianw: ok; i don't see anything error-like immediately before it | 19:34 |
mordred | yah - it's like devstack - the errors at the end are not the real errors | 19:35 |
jeblair | last thing it does is 2014-09-23 18:31:45,092 INFO nodepool.image.build.devstack-trusty-dib: Caching cirros-0.3.0-x86_64-disk.vhd.tgz file from https://github.com/downloads/citrix-openstack/warehouse/cirros-0.3.0-x86_64-disk.vhd.tgz in /home/nodepool/.cache/image-create/source-repositories/cirros_0_3_0_x86_64_disk_vhd_tgz_c610756fad56eab78721f8601c631e88396b6a31 | 19:35 |
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jeblair | it doesn't say it errored, but it doesn't say it completed either | 19:35 |
fungi | or at least they weren't real errors until someone added errorexit | 19:35 |
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fungi | so maybe dib needs to run under errorexit like devstack does ;) | 19:35 |
jeblair | best hypothesis: it ran out of space on that but didn't happen to mention it. :/ | 19:35 |
ianw | jeblair: i've found important stuff is sometimes missing, have a change out to enable better tracing : https://review.openstack.org/119023 ... getting it merged is a pain though | 19:36 |
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jeblair | oh no gertty crashed! | 19:36 |
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mordred | SpamapS, lifeless: ^^ | 19:37 |
jeblair | anyway, i guess we'll try it in production soon | 19:37 |
clarkb | ++ | 19:37 |
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clarkb | if it is a disk issue we should be fine on the current nodepool server | 19:37 |
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zaro | o/ | 19:37 |
clarkb | if it isn't then we keep debugging | 19:37 |
SpamapS | dib should be set -e | 19:37 |
SpamapS | Like, thats a bug, I'd happily triage that as High priority | 19:37 |
jeblair | #topic Jobs on trusty | 19:38 |
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jeblair | er, do we have any current work going on with this? | 19:38 |
clarkb | jeblair: pypy switched | 19:38 |
fungi | yeah, it's slowed a bit but progressing | 19:38 |
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fungi | we did move all the pypy jobs to trusty last week, yes | 19:38 |
clarkb | py34 is still in progress. the upstream bug for the py34 gc bug has an assignee now | 19:39 |
jeblair | any reviews need attention? | 19:39 |
fungi | the main blocker bug for 3.4 is now picked up by barry so presumably new package coming to trusty soon | 19:39 |
jeblair | cool | 19:39 |
clarkb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1367907 | 19:39 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367907 in python3.4 "Segfault in gc with cyclic trash" [High,In progress] | 19:39 |
fungi | all of the outstanding reviews at this point are in non-infra projects | 19:39 |
fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:40 |
fungi | is up to date | 19:40 |
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jeblair | #topic StoryBoard Migration (krotscheck) | 19:40 |
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jeblair | krotscheck: is the migration script ready for use? | 19:41 |
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jeblair | let's assume so. :) | 19:41 |
jeblair | do we want to move all the infra projects at once? | 19:42 |
clarkb | I think so | 19:42 |
mordred | yah | 19:42 |
jeblair | i lean toward yes | 19:42 |
clarkb | if we are going to deal with the pain might as well jump into the deep end | 19:42 |
clarkb | more opportunities to get through issues too | 19:42 |
fungi | i will go mad switching back and forth constantly otherwise | 19:42 |
mordred | jeblair: I believe krotscheck said that it quite successfully loads his local instance with tons of data | 19:42 |
jeblair | and we close all the bug-trackers on launchpad except for openstack-ci, which we will leave open for e-r tracking only | 19:42 |
mordred | jeblair: we could make an elastic-recheck tracker | 19:43 |
mordred | and close openstack-ci | 19:43 |
jeblair | i'm guessing we move existing openstack-ci bugs to openstack-infra/config (soon to be system-config) | 19:43 |
mordred | ++ | 19:43 |
fungi | i agree | 19:43 |
jeblair | mordred: it's not for bugs in elastic-recheck, it's for "infra bugs" that elastic-recheck sees | 19:43 |
krotscheck | Sorry | 19:43 |
krotscheck | Was talking with zaneb | 19:43 |
krotscheck | zaro | 19:43 |
krotscheck | SO the migration script landed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122047/ | 19:44 |
krotscheck | I’ve been able to load zuul and storyboard with it. | 19:44 |
jeblair | isn't storyboard already in storyborad? | 19:44 |
krotscheck | There’s a couple of misfiled bugs on launchpad. | 19:44 |
jeblair | (ooh, there he is again -- that story borat) | 19:44 |
mordred | jeblair: AAH. gotcha | 19:45 |
fungi | does the migration script preserve bug number to identical story number or is there some indirect mapping? | 19:45 |
jeblair | krotscheck: oh, what project are they filed against? | 19:45 |
krotscheck | jeblair: openstack-infra/storyboard | 19:45 |
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jeblair | krotscheck: on launchpad | 19:45 |
krotscheck | fungi: It does not maintain numbers, but it does keep track of an internal cache so duplicates aren’t imported on a failure. | 19:46 |
mordred | so - two thoughts ... | 19:46 |
jeblair | krotscheck: (i'm confused because i think you said you moved storyboard bugs over, but i don't think there should be storyboard bugs in launchpad) | 19:46 |
mordred | a) maintaining numbers would be nice ... however b) if we do that, we'll need to manage auto-increment-index | 19:46 |
fungi | just curious how we look up the new story for a known lp bug number | 19:46 |
jeblair | mordred: i kind of think maintaining numbers is critical for openstack | 19:46 |
ttx | storyborat - I see an April's fools in the making | 19:46 |
jeblair | maybe not | 19:46 |
mordred | jeblair: I do too | 19:46 |
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mordred | because there are going to be a ton of patches up that reference the old number | 19:47 |
jeblair | okay, so what's the story there? | 19:47 |
krotscheck | jeblair: Lemme go find those | 19:47 |
jeblair | and feel free to just rtfm me to where this is doc'd | 19:47 |
mordred | I have a thought in my head of how we can do it | 19:47 |
mordred | that I can write up and propose | 19:47 |
zaro | maybe use a field to map storyboard # to launchpad #? | 19:47 |
fungi | foreign keys! foreign keys! | 19:47 |
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jeblair | mordred: okay, maybe we should make sure we know what the whole story is there before we actually import infra | 19:47 |
clarkb | does an autoincrementing index not jump values already present? | 19:47 |
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jeblair | because we're maybe about to do something irreversible | 19:47 |
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mordred | clarkb: it does - we'll just need to alter the table and set the next value for auto-increment after we do the import | 19:48 |
jeblair | there's the additional complication of two imports | 19:48 |
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zaro | i think i already have patches that reference storyboard #s | 19:48 |
mordred | because we don't want to autoincrement in a space that has numbers we're going to pull | 19:48 |
jeblair | we don't want storyboard's new very-high autoincrement (because of the infra import) to start using story numbers that exist in lp and might even be an openstack bug later | 19:48 |
mordred | right | 19:48 |
reed | do we have a bot that stores quotes? "<jeblair> because we're maybe about to do something irreversible" deserves to be passed to history | 19:48 |
jeblair | mordred: ++ | 19:48 |
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mordred | which is why we set the index | 19:48 |
krotscheck | mordred: That… worries me, because if we import one project whose last bug is ##, and autoincrement to ##+1, but that’s owned by a different project which is imported later(tm).... | 19:49 |
mordred | reed: we should have one | 19:49 |
mordred | right | 19:49 |
clarkb | mordred: gotcha | 19:49 |
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mordred | this is the thing I keep saying | 19:49 |
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mordred | we need to set the autoincrement index | 19:49 |
mordred | for all of the above reasons | 19:49 |
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mordred | we can do this in one of two ways ... | 19:49 |
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krotscheck | I remember this discussion in Brussles being ‘well, by the time our normal storyboard autoindex hits the first bug filed for openstack, we’ll be old men. | 19:50 |
reed | have the imported bugs keep numbers and manage new bugs with letter-number combo? :) | 19:50 |
mordred | we can set it back to what it was before the import - or we can just bump it up to well above the current max | 19:50 |
krotscheck | s/(men)/wo\/($1) | 19:50 |
mordred | I think I would vote for setting it low | 19:50 |
jeblair | mordred: yeah, that sounds like it will work | 19:50 |
mordred | I'd liek to write this up in a sane way and send it out | 19:50 |
jeblair | (i've never done that, but i take your word it can be done in mysql) | 19:50 |
mordred | and not try to explain it all here | 19:50 |
jeblair | mordred: sounds good | 19:50 |
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krotscheck | Righto | 19:51 |
krotscheck | I think I know what you mean. | 19:51 |
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jeblair | #action mordred to write up autoincrement plan for infra bug import | 19:51 |
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jeblair | anything else on this? | 19:51 |
krotscheck | Which project do you want to move first? I want to do test runs on a local instance. | 19:52 |
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jeblair | krotscheck: i think we want to move them all at (approximately) the same time | 19:52 |
mordred | krotscheck: I'd try test runs on openstack-ci - since that's got the most stuf | 19:52 |
jeblair | we should probably rustle up a list of what "all" means :) | 19:52 |
mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:52 |
krotscheck | indeed. | 19:52 |
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jeblair | anyone want to take a stab at that? | 19:53 |
krotscheck | I can handle that. | 19:53 |
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jeblair | #action krotscheck make list of infra projects in launchpad for krotscheck to use in testing | 19:53 |
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jeblair | i don't think it's actually that many | 19:53 |
krotscheck | Right, I’ll ping in the infra channel to get people’s opinions | 19:53 |
jeblair | ++ thanks | 19:54 |
jeblair | end of topic? | 19:54 |
krotscheck | it is for me. | 19:54 |
jeblair | #topic Publish devstack.org content under infra (anteaya) | 19:54 |
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jeblair | anteaya: ? | 19:54 |
anteaya | so at the beginning of Juno we had a meeting agenda item about this and agreed this was something we wanted to do | 19:55 |
anteaya | then we got bogged down in the devstack.org > foundation domain name change | 19:55 |
jeblair | oh hey the foundation owns the domain now :) | 19:55 |
anteaya | which jbryce has confirmed has happend | 19:55 |
anteaya | yes they do | 19:55 |
anteaya | so we are off again | 19:55 |
anteaya | what do we want to do? | 19:55 |
jeblair | did we decide on a home for the content to live? | 19:55 |
anteaya | if memory serves, we wer at the point of figuring out servers and redirects | 19:56 |
anteaya | we did not that I recall | 19:56 |
jeblair | if not, we should ask dtroyer where it should go | 19:56 |
anteaya | but we wanted to | 19:56 |
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jeblair | eg, in devstack itself, or in a new "devstack-org" repo | 19:56 |
anteaya | oh the code is in devstac | 19:56 |
jeblair | anteaya: yeah, in the gh-pages branch | 19:56 |
anteaya | dtroyer made the source code change in the spring, it lives in devstack/docs | 19:56 |
jeblair | oh ok | 19:56 |
jeblair | cool | 19:56 |
anteaya | now where do we want to serve it up? | 19:57 |
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jeblair | then yeah, we just need some jobs to publish it to, probably at this point, a vhost on static.o.o ? | 19:57 |
anteaya | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/docs/source | 19:57 |
jeblair | (eventually, probably a vhost on publish.o.o, but that's part of the docs publishing spec and work hasn't started on that yet) | 19:57 |
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anteaya | and fungi I told jbryce you would let him know when we are ready for a domain name record change | 19:58 |
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jeblair | is it not managed in the usual way? if so, we should be able to change it. if not, i'm not interested in doing this. :) | 19:58 |
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fungi | anteaya: yeah, he'll presumably need to repoint the authoritative dns to rackspace's nameservers once we set up a zone for it | 19:59 |
jeblair | oh | 19:59 |
anteaya | jeblair: ah sorry, I don't know | 19:59 |
jeblair | it's still pointed at different authoritative servers | 19:59 |
fungi | assuming it isn't there already | 19:59 |
anteaya | I don't know what the usual way is | 19:59 |
anteaya | and jbryce may or may not either | 20:00 |
jeblair | so yeah, let's say the first step is getting it attached to the openstack account in rackspace cloud so we can manage dns for it | 20:00 |
fungi | yeah, it's being served by not-rackspace dns servers at the moment | 20:00 |
anteaya | fungi: can you do that then? | 20:00 |
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clarkb | jeblair: sounds good | 20:00 |
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fungi | sure, #action me bob | 20:00 |
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anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:00 |
jeblair | #action fungi get devstack.org served by openstack rackspace dns account | 20:00 |
fungi | i'l need to figure out what sequence rackspace wants it to happen in | 20:00 |
jeblair | thanks everyone, we're at time! | 20:01 |
jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 20:01:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
jhesketh | Thanks all :-) | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-23-19.02.html | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-23-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-09-23-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
anteaya | jhesketh: so early for you | 20:01 |
anteaya | :D | 20:01 |
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jhesketh | all part of the fun | 20:01 |
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ttx | hola | 20:01 |
jeblair | wow, we could have had a whole extra minute | 20:01 |
ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
jeblair | ttx: o/ :) | 20:02 |
markmc | hey | 20:02 |
mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
ttx | blame my 4 parallel discussions | 20:02 |
markmcclain | hi | 20:02 |
jaypipes | o/ | 20:02 |
devananda | o/ | 20:02 |
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ttx | russellb, markmc, annegentle, mikal, vishy, sdague, dhellmann : around ? | 20:02 |
sdague | o/ | 20:02 |
russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
ttx | mikal and annegentle said they would pass | 20:02 |
dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
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markmc | yep | 20:02 |
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ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 20:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
russellb | was reading about wormholes | 20:02 |
vishy | o/ | 20:03 |
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vishy | russellb: sounds dangerous | 20:03 |
russellb | quite | 20:03 |
ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
markmc | pretty wormhole pictures | 20:03 |
ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
ttx | #topic Final pass on extra-atcs before PTL election roll generation | 20:03 |
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ttx | We need to do final approvals on those as they will be used for election roll generation in a couple of days | 20:03 |
ttx | Also we'll probably need rebases to get them in, but i can take care of that once approval is given | 20:03 |
ttx | * Add Juno Compute co-authored-by authors to extra-atcs. (https://review.openstack.org/119666) | 20:04 |
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ttx | All those are checked as valid, so just waiting for 7 YES | 20:04 |
ttx | * Adds Documentation co-authors as ATCs. (https://review.openstack.org/119757) | 20:04 |
ttx | Sebastian and Vinny are actually not Foundation members, but we are trying to get that fixed | 20:04 |
ttx | so feel free to pile up YES there as well | 20:05 |
ttx | I'll approve if we can straight them up | 20:05 |
jeblair | what will happen if it's not fixed? | 20:05 |
russellb | maybe ping TC list once it's fixed? | 20:05 |
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ttx | I would ask Anne to submit a limited list | 20:05 |
russellb | happpy to +1 once that's confirmed .. | 20:05 |
ttx | ok, that will probably be tomorrow once we get another roundtrip with them | 20:05 |
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ttx | so maybe keep that one out for now | 20:06 |
ttx | * Adds Telemetry Juno co-authors as ATCs (https://review.openstack.org/119794) | 20:06 |
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ttx | All those are checked as valid, so just waiting for 7 YES | 20:06 |
ttx | The last two reviews are tooling which actually need some *code* reviews before they can make it in :) | 20:06 |
ttx | * Script to automate adding extra-atcs (https://review.openstack.org/121730) | 20:06 |
ttx | * Naive script to verify extra-atc foundation status (https://review.openstack.org/121696) | 20:06 |
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ttx | ok I'll approve the compute one | 20:07 |
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anteaya | I wonder why these are offered to governance rather than infra/config/tools | 20:07 |
russellb | "Naive script" | 20:07 |
russellb | way to sell it! | 20:07 |
russellb | :-p | 20:07 |
dhellmann | russellb: under sell, over deliver | 20:07 |
jeblair | erm. it should have a license header. :( | 20:07 |
fungi | i'll note that we'd previously resisted inserting atc-related scripting/tools in the governance repo (which lives in the infra config repo at the moment) | 20:07 |
anteaya | since our scripts usually need to be updated every election | 20:08 |
jeblair | fungi: good point, why not move it into an infra code repo? | 20:08 |
dhellmann | I was trying to include the script for testing the file in the repo where the file lives | 20:08 |
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jeblair | dhellmann: cross-project testing is not a problem for us | 20:08 |
fungi | i'm fine either in an infra repo or in the governance repo, but they should live together wherever they end up | 20:08 |
dhellmann | ok | 20:08 |
ttx | fungi: where do the election generation tools live ? | 20:09 |
fungi | openstack-infra/config:tools/atc | 20:09 |
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fungi | for the moment | 20:09 |
fungi | can be moved as needed of course | 20:09 |
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ttx | ok | 20:10 |
ttx | #action ttx to ping TC members to get Docs extra-atcs in once their membership status is fixed | 20:10 |
ttx | anything else on that topic ? | 20:10 |
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ttx | I'll take that as a no. | 20:11 |
ttx | #topic Recommendation to Adopt DCO as CLA | 20:11 |
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ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/120260 | 20:11 |
ttx | jeblair: you're up | 20:11 |
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jeblair | at the july meeting, the board started talking about this | 20:12 |
jeblair | mostly listening, actually, to presentation | 20:12 |
jeblair | s | 20:12 |
jeblair | but one thing that came up is that there were uncertain this was a real issue for our developer community | 20:13 |
jeblair | our silence on the subject was actually counter-productive | 20:13 |
jeblair | we had chosen not to bring up a resolution before in order to avoid 'spooking' the board | 20:13 |
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markmc | right, I was explicitly asked to not propose a resolution to the TC in advance of that meeting | 20:14 |
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jeblair | but it turns out they just thought that it was a minority point of view, eg, one person. | 20:14 |
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ttx | As I said my only concern is to avoid appearing too adversarial (if that's a word), so I wonder if piggybacking on one of Mark Radcliffe's own options and "recommend" it would not be a better approach | 20:14 |
jeblair | so i think it would be helpful to let them know that this is a problem we would like them to address | 20:14 |
markmc | heh, slight exaggeration - but certainly some board members questioned how widespread a concern this is | 20:15 |
ttx | i.e. saying "of the options you get, w"e'd recommend you pick option 5 for this and that reason" | 20:15 |
anteaya | adversarial is a word | 20:15 |
jeblair | markmc: well, one person on the board suggested it was only one person's concern, but then, that one person is prone to exaggeration ;) | 20:15 |
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markmc | jeblair, I agree, I think it would be helpful at this point to say the TC have listened, considered and concluded a ... conclusion | 20:15 |
reed | ditto | 20:15 |
jeblair | there were actually a number of -1s on my wording because it was too weasel-wordy | 20:15 |
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jeblair | i tried to make it very diplomatic in saying that we are not demanding the board do this, but we are requesting they consider it (which is their perogative) | 20:16 |
markmc | jeblair, that person (if I understand you) suggested that it was purely a Red Hat concern | 20:16 |
jeblair | markmc: yep | 20:16 |
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dhellmann | well, clearly that's not true | 20:16 |
jeblair | basically, i'm trying to provide the information that we care | 20:16 |
mordred | ++ | 20:16 |
jeblair | and it is a broad concern | 20:16 |
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devananda | jeblair: ++ | 20:16 |
ttx | jeblair: technically we could propose a bylaws change. But if we just want them to consider the DCo as the "CLA" (no bylwas change) then yes, it's just for their consideration | 20:16 |
jaypipes | jeblair: I have no major issues with it other than a wording nit (see inline on patch review) | 20:17 |
bswartz | jeblair: +1 | 20:17 |
zehicle_at_home | o/ | 20:17 |
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devananda | jeblair: and as I understand it, I think that's better than the TC specifically recommending one approach, at least at this point | 20:17 |
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markmc | jeblair, I like it, I only haven't +1ed because of the suggested changes | 20:18 |
jeblair | ttx: i think the 'radcliffe option 5' approach would be okay; if we feel that's the better approach, i'm happy to change it | 20:18 |
jeblair | otherwise, maybe i should repropose fixing all the nits and we go with this? | 20:18 |
ttx | jeblair: I still think presenting like this would be more efficient: "we got Mark's presentation at the request of the board, see the various options, and recommend we folow 5 because..." | 20:19 |
ttx | it feels like we are part of the process rather than a new thing | 20:19 |
ttx | and it makes clear that we stabd united | 20:19 |
ttx | stand* | 20:19 |
ttx | (hopefully) | 20:19 |
jeblair | ya, to be fair, i wrote this before i knew we were getting a presentation :) | 20:19 |
jeblair | should we do a quick poll on the two approaches? | 20:20 |
ttx | it was an opinionated presentation for sure. | 20:20 |
ttx | but our pick is ont of the options | 20:20 |
ttx | so I would exploit that ;) | 20:20 |
dhellmann | that makes sense. Is option 5 really our preferred option? | 20:21 |
ttx | ok, let's call the current text "original" and the "recommend an option" approach "option" | 20:22 |
ttx | dhellmann: I think it's clearly the DCO as CLA approach yes | 20:22 |
ttx | quick informal poll, which approach do you prefer, original or option | 20:22 |
dhellmann | ok, I do agree it makes sense to propose a specific option from the existing menu, if we can agree on one that *we* like | 20:22 |
russellb | with no CCLA, as well? | 20:22 |
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ttx | with no CCLA | 20:23 |
russellb | ok. | 20:23 |
ttx | that's how I understand it at least. markmc? | 20:23 |
russellb | basically, DCO with no ICLA and no CCLA, would be ideal :) | 20:23 |
* ttx retrieves the wording | 20:23 | |
* devananda reviews mark radcliffes presentation, and | 20:23 | |
devananda | "Adopt DCO Procedure for Individual/ | 20:23 |
devananda | Corporate Contributors (ASL2 as contribution | 20:23 |
devananda | agreement)" | 20:23 |
ttx | "Option 5: Adopt DCO Procedure for Individual/Corporate Contributors (ASL2 as contribution agreement)" | 20:24 |
mordred | just for the record, I don't need the DCO either, but I support moving to it as our opinion | 20:24 |
jeblair | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/37WKZ1igS2 | 20:24 |
jeblair | ttx: ^ | 20:24 |
devananda | ttx: heh, thanks. sorry for the bad line wrapping | 20:24 |
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mordred | so, "DCO with no ICLA and no CCLA" ++ | 20:24 |
jeblair | that's a quick copy/paste from the slide deck | 20:24 |
markmc | there was a leaning towards a preference for DCO+CCLA by board members | 20:24 |
russellb | markmc: sounds only marginally better | 20:25 |
mordred | that would solve nothing | 20:25 |
markmc | to me, the acceptability of that depends on the details | 20:25 |
ttx | markmc: I don't think that solves a lot | 20:25 |
mordred | I do not support that and would vote against it on the board | 20:25 |
markmc | if the DCO is all that is required/enforced for contributions | 20:25 |
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devananda | if i understood mark's points on the call last week (and it's quite possible I don't) there seemed to be legal ambiguity about going to a completely-DCO-based approach | 20:25 |
ttx | okk quick poll, "original" or "option" ? | 20:25 |
markmc | and the Foundation encourages companies to sign the CCLA after the fact | 20:25 |
* ttx votes "option" | 20:25 | |
markmc | then it is still a big improvement, IMO | 20:25 |
russellb | markmc: sure that'd be fine | 20:25 |
russellb | encourage/allow, but not require | 20:25 |
russellb | fine | 20:25 |
* mordred disagrees, being a member of a big corporating and having gotten CCLA's signed | 20:25 | |
markmc | devananda, what was the abmiguity? | 20:26 |
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ttx | devananda: legal is ambiguous by design | 20:26 |
devananda | markmc: IIRC it had to do with bankruptcy of corporate contributors | 20:26 |
devananda | ttx: indeed | 20:26 |
jeblair | to be fair, i think there are other options | 20:27 |
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devananda | also, having seen the FUD inside of a big corporation around teh CCLA, I don't think it was helpful to the process of getting developers to contribute | 20:27 |
jeblair | the ones in radcliffe's presentation are just the ones that radcliffe has chosen to present | 20:27 |
devananda | even after it was signed | 20:27 |
markmcclain | devananda: right… I'm guessing that concern is also followed by the legal departments that assume a lawsuit of some for is inevitable | 20:27 |
ttx | jeblair: sure, but it includes the one we want, no ? | 20:28 |
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jeblair | yeah, i'm just noting that because someone is pasting all of them in the etherpad i linked :) | 20:28 |
ttx | that's definitely not all the combinations proposed | 20:28 |
mordred | I would like to respond with what we want, not which of the chosen bad set we prefer | 20:28 |
devananda | markmc: so based on my experience, I'd agree with mordred - the foundation encouraging companies to sign a CCLA might still be enough to scare them off | 20:28 |
dhellmann | jeblair: yeah, I was doing that for the folks that didn't have the presentation handy | 20:28 |
markmc | devananda, it wouldn't be my preferred approach; but I do think it would be an improvemtn | 20:29 |
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reed | devananda, I have no evidence that corporations are not scared of CCLA | 20:29 |
ttx | #startvote Which approach is the best to expose our case? original, option, dunno | 20:29 |
dhellmann | if there are others, we can add them for reference | 20:29 |
openstack | Begin voting on: Which approach is the best to expose our case? Valid vote options are original, option, dunno. | 20:29 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:29 |
markmc | devananda, for example, allowing us to take patches from operators under the DCO | 20:29 |
ttx | #vote option | 20:29 |
ttx | by popular request, the startvote bot is back | 20:29 |
russellb | #vote dunno | 20:29 |
russellb | i think they're both fine | 20:29 |
markmcclain | #vote dunno | 20:29 |
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russellb | both serve the purpose of saying "we care" | 20:29 |
russellb | so whatever | 20:29 |
dhellmann | #vote dunno | 20:29 |
devananda | markmc: yup. I agree that the DCO is definitely an improvement from a foundation-can-take-your-patch perspective :) | 20:29 |
markmc | #vote original | 20:30 |
devananda | ttx: is "origina' that we tell the board what we want, and don't pick from a specific option? | 20:30 |
vishy | #vote dunno | 20:30 |
ttx | devananda: yes | 20:30 |
devananda | #vote original | 20:31 |
markmc | original also spells out our rationale | 20:31 |
mordred | #vote original | 20:31 |
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ttx | ok 30 seconds left | 20:31 |
markmc | which (if I can say) is a nice concise summary of the arguments richard and I were documenting | 20:31 |
devananda | russellb: but 'option' tells the board we endorse a specific solution | 20:31 |
ttx | #endvote | 20:31 |
openstack | Voted on "Which approach is the best to expose our case?" Results are | 20:31 |
openstack | dunno (4): dhellmann, russellb, markmcclain, vishy | 20:31 |
markmc | so, it's endorsing the rationale which was presented to the board in July | 20:31 |
openstack | option (1): ttx | 20:31 |
openstack | original (3): mordred, markmc, devananda | 20:31 |
ttx | I guess I lose, and will back the original. | 20:32 |
jeblair | okay, i will provide a link to info on the DCO | 20:32 |
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jeblair | and i'll also implement jaypipes' suggestion too? | 20:32 |
jaypipes | jeblair: only if we're serious about this. | 20:32 |
jeblair | heh | 20:32 |
jaypipes | :P | 20:32 |
russellb | i seriously accept the suggested change | 20:32 |
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dhellmann | jeblair: +1 | 20:32 |
mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:33 |
jeblair | okay, i'll have that up before the meeting is thru | 20:33 |
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ttx | yeah, serious was a bit overboard | 20:33 |
russellb | seriously | 20:33 |
markmc | wait, this is the for serious TC meeting? | 20:33 |
markmc | huh | 20:33 |
ttx | I am a serious open source dev | 20:33 |
* markmc got times mixed up | 20:33 | |
ttx | FOSDEM is a serious conference | 20:33 |
markmc | not an amateur? | 20:33 |
ttx | #topic Testing interface update | 20:34 |
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jeblair | markmc: should i link to here? http://ltsi.linuxfoundation.org/developers/signed-process | 20:34 |
ttx | I think we can collect +1s and get them approved today | 20:34 |
ttx | * Import the Project Testing Interface description (https://review.openstack.org/119872) | 20:34 |
ttx | This one needed one more YES last time I looked | 20:34 |
markmc | ttx, James Bottomley uses this: http://developercertificate.org/ | 20:34 |
ttx | oh, it has 7 now | 20:34 |
mordred | ttx: the last in the chain needs discussion | 20:34 |
* ttx approves | 20:34 | |
jeblair | markmc: ack will do | 20:34 |
ttx | mordred: sure, we'll get to it | 20:35 |
mordred | kk | 20:35 |
ttx | * Two minor style cleanups (https://review.openstack.org/119873) | 20:35 |
ttx | Same here | 20:35 |
ttx | * Update testing interface to reflect reality (https://review.openstack.org/119874) | 20:35 |
ttx | This one has the required approvals | 20:35 |
ttx | That leaves us with: | 20:36 |
ttx | * Add a docs environment to the testing interface (https://review.openstack.org/119875) | 20:36 |
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ttx | mordred: care to introduce it ? | 20:36 |
mordred | almost all repos have such an env ... but there is question about whether that's a good thing | 20:37 |
jeblair | the practical upshot of this is that we will open the door to projects adding non-standard build steps for docs | 20:37 |
jeblair | the current practice enforces that 'python setup.py build_sphinx' is the way docs are built; the new one is designed so that you can do something before running that | 20:37 |
markmc | these concerns aren't mentioned in the review, right? | 20:37 |
ttx | markmc: no | 20:38 |
russellb | yeah, the review concerns were trivial it seemed ... | 20:38 |
ttx | the -1s are about ordering I think | 20:38 |
dhellmann | jeblair: the reason I like the new env has nothing to do with extra steps: it's easier to tell someone to "tox -e docs" than "tox -e venv -- python setup.py build_sphinx" if they want to build the docs locally to test | 20:38 |
ttx | it's a bit orthogonal concern though | 20:38 |
jeblair | dhellmann: yeah, which is why most projects added it | 20:38 |
jeblair | and i dig that | 20:39 |
ttx | since refactoring it in the same commit would actually make 2 changes in one | 20:39 |
lifeless | dhellmann: maybe a makefile :) | 20:39 |
markmc | jeblair, why is that not a concern about 'python setup.py test' ? | 20:39 |
mordred | lifeless: no | 20:39 |
sdague | yeh, if this is about testing interface it seems fine | 20:39 |
jeblair | but the reason it's showing up here is that someone wanted to add an external build step | 20:39 |
dhellmann | markmc: because a bunch of projects are already doing non-standard things there | 20:39 |
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jeblair | which i argued was unecessary. i think we even came to the conclusion that the fact that they had to do that was a potential bug in pbr | 20:39 |
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* dhellmann would be interested in more details outside of the meeting | 20:40 | |
jeblair | so anyway, i'm not -1ing on this, and am okay with it as it stands | 20:40 |
jeblair | but i want to make sure that it is really our intention to allow this | 20:40 |
dhellmann | I'm OK with infra asking us not to allow this | 20:40 |
jeblair | because not only does it technically permit it, but the description in the docs also says it is okay | 20:40 |
dhellmann | projects can still have the venv as a convenience | 20:40 |
lifeless | making distributors depend on tox to build docs might be weird for them | 20:41 |
lifeless | in fact, I think it would be bad for them | 20:41 |
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mordred | they don't need to | 20:41 |
mordred | they can run the commands | 20:41 |
jeblair | we could also change the pti to use the docs build but just say that you shouldn't add any extra pre-build steps, if we wanted to do that | 20:41 |
lifeless | mordred: the implication jeblair is talking about - if allowed - will mean there isn't an interface they can use that doesn't involve setting up a venv | 20:41 |
lifeless | mordred: so they wil have to copy-the-code-from-tox.ini, no ? | 20:42 |
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mordred | lifeless: I have stopped caring about that | 20:42 |
russellb | +1 to stating it's for convenience, and to not be wonky with it | 20:42 |
mordred | since they all patch out pbr for no reason | 20:42 |
markmc | could we perhaps get a summary of all of this in the review and come back to it? | 20:42 |
markmc | seems to be taking a bunch of time here for a pretty minor thing | 20:42 |
mordred | markmc: ++ | 20:42 |
russellb | ++ | 20:43 |
ttx | ack | 20:43 |
ttx | jeblair: could you collect that and comment on the review ? | 20:43 |
ttx | or anyone else? | 20:44 |
jeblair | sure | 20:44 |
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jeblair | it's going to be a +0 though | 20:44 |
ttx | #action jeblair to clearly express the potential concern about innocent-looking https://review.openstack.org/119875 | 20:44 |
ttx | #topic Other governance changes | 20:44 |
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ttx | * Add openstack/designate-dashboard to the DNS Services program (https://review.openstack.org/119549) | 20:45 |
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ttx | I don't think we should block this one. It's just a program creating another repo | 20:45 |
ttx | they need it to land a dashboard proptotype | 20:45 |
russellb | i'm just irritated that we're making them do this | 20:45 |
mordred | ++ | 20:45 |
ttx | since horizon at the moment only accepts integrated projects | 20:46 |
mordred | I think it's crazy | 20:46 |
markmcclain | russellb: +1 | 20:46 |
sdague | yeh, this is weird | 20:46 |
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russellb | ttx: that's what i think is weird | 20:46 |
ttx | if mordred has its ways that will be a thing of the past | 20:46 |
mordred | ++ | 20:46 |
dhellmann | the alternative is to ask horizon to accept the dashboard now? | 20:46 |
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russellb | i think projects should be encouraging and accepting of integration with incubated projects | 20:46 |
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ttx | I don't think we should block designate though | 20:46 |
russellb | that's the point of incubation time, isn't it? | 20:46 |
markmcclain | russellb: ++ | 20:46 |
ttx | and we can have that discussion with horizon | 20:46 |
ttx | russellb: arguably not | 20:46 |
ttx | it's the point of integration :) | 20:47 |
zaneb | ttx: if mordred has his way, horizon will have guidance at all as to what to include (unless it's needed to run wordpress) | 20:47 |
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zaneb | s/guidance/*no* guidance/ | 20:47 |
devananda | fwiw, horizon has said the same thing to ironic | 20:47 |
russellb | well anyway, point taken that this is largely not an approval and just a document update | 20:47 |
ttx | horizon feels like it should include dashboards for integrated projects only, on the first cycle they are integrated | 20:47 |
devananda | not accepting dashboard panels until ironic graduated | 20:47 |
russellb | just something we should really follow up on | 20:47 |
russellb | if we can put it on our future agenda to discuss, i'll remove my -1 | 20:47 |
jeblair | this is not reversible | 20:48 |
ttx | but that is an otrthogonal discussion, to be had with horizon folk | 20:48 |
jeblair | git repos are forever :/ | 20:48 |
devananda | I do not see the problem with designate creating their panel inside of their existing repo | 20:48 |
russellb | right | 20:48 |
devananda | then moving the particular code tree to horizon when horizon will take it | 20:48 |
ttx | we did it for sahara-dashboard though | 20:48 |
zaneb | fwiw Heat's policy is resources in /contrib until graduation, then they move into the main part of the tree | 20:48 |
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russellb | ttx: but it seems silly to do it again | 20:48 |
ttx | hmm | 20:49 |
russellb | incubation should be enough of a signal that projects should start working together | 20:49 |
SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ack, we've just finished moving our code to horizon | 20:49 |
russellb | make it off by default or whatever if needed | 20:49 |
bswartz | does horizon not have an "experimental" area? | 20:49 |
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jeblair | sahara had like 5 repos, i didn't even notice one was for horizon :) | 20:49 |
bswartz | we face this issue with manila -- currently we have a fork of the horizon project with out horizon integration | 20:49 |
bswartz | s/out/our/ | 20:49 |
jeblair | anyway, i'm not -1 on it; we move enough repos around as it is, but we should follow up with horizon and see if we can work something else out | 20:50 |
devananda | ttx: how "OK" is it for projects to create temporary repos, in general? and if that's not normally OK, why is it OK in this case? | 20:50 |
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ttx | jeblair: the fact that git repos are forever goes a bit against our will to allow programs to organize code repos as they see fit | 20:50 |
ttx | if we consider that expensive, that means we'll be back at policing all the repo creations | 20:50 |
russellb | our criteria for graduation includes: must have completed integration work with other integrated projects | 20:51 |
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mordred | jeblair: if we graft-merged, we could remove the repo, because we would keep all the history | 20:51 |
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mordred | which is the no-delete concern | 20:51 |
jeblair | ttx: i disagree that it goes against our will; | 20:51 |
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jeblair | ttx: we don't generally object to programs creating new repos as they see fit | 20:51 |
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jeblair | ttx: we're objecting to creating a throw-away repo because of an arbitrary policy decision that we all find inconvenient | 20:52 |
ttx | hm. | 20:52 |
mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:52 |
jeblair | ttx: the marginal cost of this is low from a technical point of view. from a process and developer experience point of view it is quite high. | 20:52 |
ttx | we also say that completing horizon integration is a first-cycle thing | 20:52 |
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ttx | russellb: ^ | 20:53 |
devananda | ttx: I think policing all the repo creations is acceptable, but taht's a discussion for the ML | 20:53 |
ttx | so we can read that however we want | 20:53 |
russellb | those seem to contradict :) | 20:53 |
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russellb | it literally says includes dashboard integration | 20:53 |
jeblair | (not to minimize the cost to horizon of accepting any old thing in their tree; clearly a balance needs to be found, i think this just isn't it) | 20:53 |
ttx | OK, so we should ask Kiall if he could not live with a single repo | 20:53 |
russellb | * Project must have completed integration work with other integrated | 20:53 |
russellb | projects, as communicated by the TC when accepted into incubation (that | 20:53 |
russellb | includes Dashboard integration if applicable) | 20:53 |
russellb | ^^^ in "graduation to integrated" | 20:53 |
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ttx | then see if Horizon feels ok with accepting incubated stuff in code | 20:54 |
russellb | so we mention it twice in our doc | 20:54 |
jeblair | russellb: wow, we already made the change that we all are thinking we should make :) | 20:54 |
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russellb | yeah | 20:54 |
ttx | jeblair: I think half of us thought A, half of us thought B and we all got our stuff in | 20:54 |
ttx | the current reality is that Horizon includes dashboard for projects on their first integarted cycle | 20:55 |
ttx | we can change that | 20:55 |
ttx | but that's the current way it's always been done. | 20:55 |
ttx | but that's actually a separate discussion | 20:56 |
russellb | i really don't want to block designate ... my intention with a -1 was really to see if we could make life simpler for them | 20:56 |
ttx | the core of this discussion is "couldn't you se your main repo for temporary stuff" | 20:56 |
ttx | use* | 20:56 |
russellb | i think that's secondary personally ... | 20:56 |
ttx | I guess that's a valid objection. | 20:56 |
russellb | oh | 20:56 |
ttx | (deva's latest objection) | 20:56 |
devananda | I haven't seen anything suggesting they can't use the main repo ? | 20:57 |
russellb | yeah i guess that's one way to do it | 20:57 |
russellb | if it's a temporary staging area | 20:57 |
ttx | devananda: that's just not what they asked for :) | 20:57 |
devananda | russellb: basically what we did for nova's ironic driver | 20:57 |
russellb | right | 20:57 |
ttx | ok, moving on | 20:57 |
ttx | * Add keystoneclient-kerberos repo to Keystone (https://review.openstack.org/120310) | 20:57 |
ttx | This one is hopefully a no-brainer | 20:57 |
ttx | since it's not throw-away | 20:57 |
ttx | * Add ha-guide to Documentation program (https://review.openstack.org/121643) | 20:58 |
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ttx | same for this one, will approve unless someone complains (anne +1ed it) | 20:58 |
jeblair | dolphm: can you review https://review.openstack.org/120310 please? | 20:58 |
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ttx | * Propose guidelines for adopting new official projects (https://review.openstack.org/116727) | 20:58 |
morganfainberg | jeblair, dolphm has been hit and miss out. he may or may not be around for the rest of the day | 20:59 |
ttx | if this one doesn't take 22 comments into account, I guess we can abandon it | 20:59 |
ttx | zaneb: planning to do another patchset there ? | 20:59 |
morganfainberg | jeblair, i meant to poke him about it earlier but forgot, sorry. | 20:59 |
zaneb | I was working on one | 20:59 |
zaneb | but not sure if it will be superseded by the discussion that mordred started on the ML | 21:00 |
devananda | ttx, zaneb: that seems to echo a lot of the topics recently on the ML | 21:00 |
ttx | Oh, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119794/ just got rebased, so if you could pile up the +1s again i'll reapprove it | 21:00 |
devananda | zaneb: exactly... | 21:00 |
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jeblair | i think it may be worth waiting to see how the big-tent discussion goes | 21:00 |
ttx | agree, maybe Workflow-1 it | 21:00 |
zaneb | ok, will do | 21:00 |
jeblair | i pushed up a new version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120260/ (dco/cla) | 21:00 |
ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:00 |
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ttx | Last thoughts ? | 21:00 |
jeblair | is this our last meeting? | 21:01 |
ttx | Those meetings are too busy, no time to discuss the TC dinner. | 21:01 |
zaneb | ttx: oh, I can't workflow -1 it | 21:01 |
ttx | jeblair: no | 21:01 |
jeblair | ttx: when is that? | 21:01 |
ttx | zaneb: I did it | 21:01 |
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zaneb | strange, I thought the owner could always do that | 21:01 |
ttx | jeblair: see my tc meeting announcement email to the -tc list | 21:01 |
ttx | we have at least one more | 21:01 |
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ttx | and we could also run them during the election period, we've done so in the past | 21:02 |
ttx | which would add two more | 21:02 |
jeblair | ok | 21:02 |
anteaya | tc candidate questions are up on the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_October_2014#TC_Election_Questions | 21:02 |
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ttx | ok, time up | 21:02 |
ttx | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 21:02:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-23-20.02.html | 21:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-23-20.02.txt | 21:02 |
markmc | thanks ttx | 21:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-23-20.02.log.html | 21:02 |
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ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:03 |
mestery | o/ | 21:03 |
dhellmann | o/ | 21:03 |
notmyname | here | 21:03 |
david-lyle | o/ | 21:03 |
zaneb | \o | 21:03 |
* devananda lurks | 21:03 | |
ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 21:03:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:03 |
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ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:03 |
ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:03 |
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ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:03 |
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ttx | Here is the log: | 21:03 |
ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-09-23-08.02.html | 21:03 |
ttx | Most projects still struggling with RC1 buglists | 21:04 |
ttx | RC1 race tracked at: | 21:04 |
ttx | #link http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 21:04 |
ttx | (insert bi-yearly disclaimer for not having time to move it to infra again) | 21:04 |
ttx | I see the horizon buglist was pruned recently | 21:04 |
jeblair | that's probably a warez site by now :) | 21:04 |
ttx | it's my warez site. | 21:04 |
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ttx | and soren's | 21:05 |
ttx | hint: the curves on this graph should go DOWN. | 21:05 |
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ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:05 |
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ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:05 |
jgriffith | hah | 21:05 |
jeblair | ya | 21:06 |
jeblair | i'm going to send an announcement to -dev soon about this | 21:06 |
jgriffith | ttx: just the update on cinderclient | 21:06 |
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jeblair | we are going to freeze project configuration changes in infra (eg, jenkins/zuul config changes) starting thursday | 21:06 |
jeblair | so that we can move all of the project configuration into its own repo | 21:06 |
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jeblair | which is awesome because it means it will be much easier for you (yes -- YOU) to review | 21:06 |
* SergeyLukjanov here | 21:06 | |
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eglynn_ | o/ | 21:06 |
mestery | jeblair: Yay! | 21:06 |
jeblair | new repo will be openstack-infra/project-config | 21:06 |
jeblair | (existing repo will eventually be renamed openstack-infra/system-config at a later date; we also have other plans for it afoot) | 21:07 |
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notmyname | jeblair: ie each project will have its own config repo? | 21:07 |
ttx | jeblair: what's the difference with openstack-infra/config ? | 21:07 |
notmyname | or just moving all project config to one separate repo? | 21:07 |
jeblair | notmyname: the second thing | 21:07 |
ttx | you separate the puppet stuff from the config stuff ? | 21:08 |
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jeblair | ttx: basically | 21:08 |
ttx | so other installs would just use system-config, but would redo project-config ? | 21:08 |
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ttx | ok, got it | 21:09 |
anteaya | prototype of what project-config will look like when we are done: https://github.com/anteaya/reorganized-project-config-02 | 21:09 |
ttx | any other announcement ? | 21:09 |
jeblair | ttx: yeah, but more refactoring of system-config needs to happen to make that more useful. but that's the general idea. | 21:09 |
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jeblair | ttx: it's a very long-term plan :) | 21:09 |
jeblair | anyway, we will try our best to flush the config review queue before the freeze | 21:10 |
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dhellmann | in case anyone missed the announcement on the ML, we've started removing code from the incubator for graduated libraries. backports should go straight to the stable/juno (or other stable branch) if needed. | 21:10 |
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ttx | #topic Requirements freeze exceptions | 21:10 |
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ttx | So sdague dhellmann and myself went on a cleanup spree for the requirements repo | 21:11 |
ttx | we are left with a number fo depfreeze exceptions | 21:11 |
ttx | that we need to decide on | 21:11 |
ttx | * kombu >=2.5.0 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92095/) | 21:11 |
ttx | This is just bumps the lower bound for kombu | 21:12 |
ttx | i'm not sure we *need* it for Juno, but it's certainly closer to reality | 21:12 |
dhellmann | is that what we're gating on? | 21:12 |
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ttx | we are gating on 3.something | 21:12 |
dhellmann | wow, ok | 21:13 |
ttx | personally I would freeze that one and wait for a more documented bump to 3.x | 21:13 |
ttx | rather than just bump 2.4.8 to 2.5.0 | 21:13 |
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devananda | ttx: a few things have come up for ironic which would be useful to us, but not critical. please let me know if this is the right place to discuss, or if, as a non-integrated project, it's simply too late | 21:13 |
dhellmann | yeah, that makes sense | 21:13 |
ttx | which feels like a shot in the dark | 21:13 |
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ttx | devananda: probably too late yes | 21:14 |
ttx | * urllib3 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122993/) | 21:14 |
devananda | ttx: ack | 21:14 |
ttx | this one is more funny | 21:14 |
sdague | ttx: the commit message on kombu explains why 2.4.8 is unlikely to work | 21:14 |
ttx | sdague: ah! here you are | 21:14 |
ttx | but we aren't really sure 2.5.0 would work a lot better ? | 21:14 |
sdague | kombu 2.5.0 and newer has switched away from amqplib | 21:15 |
ttx | hmm, ok, so 2.5.0 is closer to 3.0 than to 2.4.8 maybe | 21:15 |
sdague | to amqp, which is a fork of amqplib started with the following | 21:15 |
sdague | goals: | 21:15 |
sdague | yeh | 21:15 |
sdague | 2.5.0 had a known lib dep change | 21:15 |
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ttx | I can agree with that | 21:15 |
ttx | Let's bump unless someone complains | 21:15 |
dhellmann | +2 | 21:16 |
ttx | sdague: was confised by your lack of +2 on that one :) | 21:16 |
sdague | ttx: I rebased it | 21:16 |
ttx | ah! | 21:16 |
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ttx | approved | 21:16 |
ttx | so .. bck to urllib3 | 21:16 |
sdague | I had an old +2 on it | 21:16 |
dhellmann | the urllib3/requests thing seems like a mess | 21:17 |
ttx | * urllib3 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122993/) | 21:17 |
sdague | dhellmann: agreed | 21:17 |
ttx | it's the vendorizor vs. Debian thing | 21:17 |
* dhellmann considers creating "demands" as a fork | 21:17 | |
lifeless | dhellmann: LOL | 21:17 |
sdague | and honestly, I'd rather not make it more of a mess at this stage of the release | 21:17 |
sdague | so my feeling is stay how we've been doing this | 21:17 |
sdague | can change in kilo | 21:17 |
ttx | sdague: yeah. Debian does effectively fork request locally by unvendorizing it | 21:17 |
ttx | so they can carry the patch that will make it work | 21:18 |
ttx | even if they are doing the right thing | 21:18 |
clarkb | sdague: I agree, we have tested it this way all cycle and requests is used everywhere | 21:18 |
dhellmann | yeah | 21:18 |
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morganfainberg | sdague, ++ | 21:18 |
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dims | clarkb: our min version of requests is very old though | 21:19 |
clarkb | dims: ok? | 21:19 |
dims | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122716/ just saw this one yday | 21:19 |
sdague | dims: we're actually testing with 2.2.0 atm | 21:20 |
ttx | commenetd -1 | 21:20 |
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ttx | * xstatic-jquery-ui >=1.10.1 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/) | 21:20 |
dims | sdague: asking for requests>=2.1.0 | 21:20 |
ttx | david-lyle: around? | 21:20 |
david-lyle | yes | 21:20 |
david-lyle | this is due some structural changes in the package of jquery | 21:20 |
sdague | dims: there is no requirements review for this is there? | 21:20 |
ttx | so that's a lower bound bump from 1.8.18 | 21:20 |
david-lyle | it's actually intended to be a convenience to packagers | 21:21 |
dims | sdague: wanted to check before i raised one | 21:21 |
sdague | dims: well we're in freeze, so no | 21:21 |
dims | ok | 21:21 |
david-lyle | otherwise when they replace the jquery package with the system package, they have to alter some paths | 21:21 |
ttx | david-lyle: they all seem happy with it on the review | 21:21 |
david-lyle | yes | 21:21 |
ttx | sdague: any reason we should block it ? | 21:22 |
ttx | (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/) | 21:22 |
sdague | ttx: no, I'm pretty 0 on the xstatic stuff | 21:22 |
ttx | +2ing | 21:22 |
ttx | * websockify >=0.6.0 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114757/) | 21:22 |
sdague | because it continues to confuse me :) | 21:22 |
ttx | sdague: do liek me and pretend you understood what David just said | 21:22 |
dhellmann | ttx: +2a | 21:22 |
david-lyle | \o/ | 21:23 |
sdague | websockify bump would close a nova bug | 21:23 |
sdague | that's why I revived it | 21:23 |
ttx | it seems the packagers can live with it | 21:23 |
ttx | I think that's a vlid case | 21:23 |
ttx | +a | 21:23 |
dhellmann | +2a | 21:24 |
markmcclain | makes sense | 21:24 |
ttx | * python-heatclient >=0.2.11 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122520/) | 21:24 |
ttx | zaneb: did you get the opportunity to talk with steve*? | 21:24 |
zaneb | yes | 21:24 |
sdague | stevebaker did just -1 it himself | 21:24 |
zaneb | so it wasn't a specific bug thing | 21:24 |
ttx | ok, no need to up the floor then | 21:25 |
zaneb | just a case of wanting to make sure that all the new features for Juno were available | 21:25 |
zaneb | ttx: agree | 21:25 |
ttx | i'll -2 depfreeze it | 21:25 |
ttx | and unfreeze it in a few days when all RC1s are baked | 21:25 |
dhellmann | looks like we have a bunch of approvals that are failing tests (or just not merging) | 21:25 |
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sdague | dhellmann: well rackspace deb mirrors were borked all morning | 21:26 |
dhellmann | ah | 21:26 |
ttx | yes, we'll need a few reeenqueues | 21:26 |
sdague | and there is a giant backlog because of that | 21:26 |
ttx | I'll follow up tomorrow morning if nobody beats me to it today | 21:26 |
ttx | #topic Kilo release schedule | 21:26 |
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ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046793.html | 21:27 |
* ttx looks at thread to see new comments | 21:27 | |
ttx | so we ahve to choose between two options | 21:27 |
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ttx | one tries to anticipate on a short M cycle by placing the release date on Apr 23, but that means 3 full weeks between release and summit | 21:28 |
ttx | which can be a bit long, that's what we did before HK | 21:28 |
zaneb | I'm not sure that an "off-week" really is equivalent to an extra week to work on L | 21:28 |
morganfainberg | zaneb, i'd agree with that assessment. | 21:28 |
zaneb | and it didn't really work as an "off-week" either | 21:28 |
ttx | the other is the natural date (Apr 30), with two full empty weeks between release and summit | 21:29 |
clarkb | ttx: in the past we tried to sync the releases to ubuntu releases. is that still very important? maybe we can live with our releases being a bit more skewed based on summit dates? | 21:29 |
ttx | but that makes for a rather short M cycle | 21:29 |
* eglynn_ questions the whole idea of an officially blessed "off-week" | 21:29 | |
mestery | eglynn_: ++ | 21:29 |
ttx | clarkb: the date on Apr 30 is sure to screw them up a bit | 21:29 |
sdague | yeh, I'm pretty -1 on off-week as a concept | 21:29 |
eglynn_ | the dates are never going to suit everyone, or even most people, for taking vacation | 21:29 |
ttx | don't focus on off -week. Are you -1 on the concept of 3 full weeks between release and summit | 21:29 |
zaneb | eglynn_: last time I thought I would spend the week actually working on code, but email continued to roll in at exactly the same rate :/ | 21:29 |
dhellmann | it was more about saying "we're not going to be reviewing anything" than "go take a vacation" | 21:29 |
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sdague | ttx: so I'm more -1 about the earlier cadence issues | 21:30 |
dhellmann | I didn't take the week off, but was ablt to focus on some internal work | 21:30 |
sdague | for the start stop reasons I pointed in my email | 21:30 |
zaneb | ttx: I am -1 on that. the summit is already too late IMO | 21:30 |
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ttx | ok, so you all prefer Apr 30 as release date, even if that means a short M cycle | 21:31 |
sdague | ttx: you mean L cycle, right? | 21:31 |
sdague | but us | 21:31 |
sdague | yes | 21:31 |
ttx | no I mean M | 21:31 |
ttx | L cycle will be long. | 21:31 |
sdague | ttx: I'm confused | 21:31 |
ttx | err | 21:31 |
jgriffith | sdague: longer L means shorter M | 21:31 |
zaneb | ttx: I think you're mistaken | 21:31 |
eglynn_ | dumb question: I presume the summit date is already fixed in stone? | 21:31 |
jgriffith | unless we adjust again | 21:31 |
ttx | yes I am confused | 21:32 |
jgriffith | erk | 21:32 |
zaneb | M summit will be early so L cycle will be short | 21:32 |
jgriffith | K/L | 21:32 |
jgriffith | LOL | 21:32 |
dhellmann | eglynn_: I would expect so, by now | 21:32 |
ttx | sLong K cycle (Oct 16 - Apr 30) | 21:32 |
morganfainberg | long K cycle, short L cycle. | 21:32 |
sdague | right, short L | 21:32 |
ttx | Short L cycle (Apr 30 - Oct 8/15) | 21:32 |
sdague | yeh, I'm fine with short L | 21:32 |
morganfainberg | i think we can plan for that, and with a full cycle notice it shouldn't be a big issue | 21:32 |
mestery | Also fine with a short L | 21:32 |
eglynn_ | yeah it makes more sense that the longer lead-in to the L summit | 21:32 |
zaneb | tbh long K cycle is good because we always lose a lot of time over new year | 21:32 |
eglynn_ | zaneb: good point | 21:33 |
ttx | OK, I'll rework the proposal | 21:33 |
dhellmann | zaneb: that's a good ponit | 21:33 |
zaneb | they may come out about even in real terms | 21:33 |
sdague | because honestly, I think naturally aligning around big outages like christmas will actually provide higher throughput | 21:33 |
morganfainberg | zaneb, very good point. | 21:33 |
ttx | and ask RFC with the whole schedule shifted one week to the right | 21:33 |
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ttx | clarkb: so it may screw up Ubuntu, but then they didn't ask us before setting their release dates | 21:33 |
sdague | ttx: +1 | 21:33 |
clarkb | ttx: ya I don't think I am personally worried about it. I just remember that being one of the reasons for stickign to 6 months pretty closely | 21:34 |
ttx | and they scrapped their own event so they don't have so much constraints as we do | 21:34 |
clarkb | also with cloud archive this probably becomes less problematic? | 21:34 |
ttx | probably | 21:35 |
sdague | ttx: do we have L milestone map as well? | 21:35 |
sdague | if we know when the summit is, it would be handy to get that out there, so people can plan midcycles further in advance | 21:35 |
ttx | the summit date is not confirmed yet | 21:35 |
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ttx | but i can build one based on the hypothesis | 21:35 |
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morganfainberg | ttx,that would be good. | 21:35 |
sdague | might be handy so we know what we're talking about L wise | 21:36 |
ttx | (I actually already have)à | 21:36 |
ttx | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ypxkvsfth0DHsDKlPhsjtHaM4zJ_f9sdDgr3pArZEdY/edit?usp=sharing | 21:36 |
sdague | because honestly, I'm very pro getting milestone-3 back into august, because I felt like the post labor day rush week after tons of people on vacation caused some oddities | 21:36 |
ttx | all options put l-3 milestoen the week before labor day | 21:37 |
ttx | or the week before that | 21:37 |
ttx | so we should be safe there | 21:37 |
eglynn_ | labor day is when, the first Monday in September? | 21:38 |
sdague | yeh | 21:38 |
ttx | Sep 7 in 2015 | 21:38 |
clarkb | looks like we lose about 3 weeks in L with long K? | 21:38 |
ttx | clarkb: i would blame the summit late May, rather | 21:39 |
clarkb | oh right the summit isn't moving | 21:39 |
eglynn_ | so bringing L-3 too early into August could also have issues with typical European vacation patterns | 21:39 |
ttx | so I would do a short release-summit, with only one full week between the two | 21:39 |
devananda | ttx: week before might overlap with burning man, for what that's worth | 21:39 |
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ttx | devananda: what's BM 2015 dates ? | 21:39 |
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sdague | eglynn_: yeh, honestly, it's probably better to have it land during people's vacations than after | 21:40 |
devananda | usually the labor day weekend, but let me check if they're announced | 21:40 |
morganfainberg | ttx, Monday 31st Augustto Monday 7th September 2015 - TBC according to http://www.festivalmag.com/festivals/burning-man/ | 21:40 |
devananda | ttx: Sept 05 | 21:40 |
sdague | because we saw this giant push of "zomg merge my code there are 3 days left" | 21:40 |
sdague | and then went into 40 hour gate queues | 21:40 |
sdague | and landed tons of bugs | 21:40 |
eglynn_ | sdague: yep, fair point | 21:40 |
dhellmann | this spreadsheet is confusing, which part should I be looking at? | 21:41 |
ttx | devananda: but then you're off for the two weeks before that, so it doesn't really help :) | 21:41 |
sdague | if we have ms3 in august then we can just say - dude get your stuff in early, because reviewers will be on fvacation | 21:41 |
devananda | ttx: so expect anyone who's attending that to be offline from aug 29 - Sept 6, if not earlier | 21:41 |
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sdague | devananda: there are far less people at burning man than on regular vacations :) | 21:41 |
ttx | dhellmann: clearer ? | 21:41 |
dhellmann | ttx: yes, thanks | 21:42 |
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devananda | sdague: indeed :) | 21:42 |
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ttx | anyway, still wip | 21:42 |
ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:42 |
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ttx | we don't even know if we'll have an integarted release then | 21:43 |
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devananda | or who'll be PTL | 21:44 |
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eglynn_ | ... or even if we'll still have PTLs ;) | 21:44 |
SergeyLukjanov | ttx, david-lyle, for sahara we need several patches to be merged into horizon to make it fully working - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-horizon-remaining-changes-for-juno | 21:45 |
* david-lyle looking | 21:45 | |
ttx | hm | 21:45 |
ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1349807 is targeted to k1 | 21:45 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349807 in horizon "[sahara] Failed to copy cluster template" [Medium,In progress] | 21:45 |
david-lyle | I may have bumped that today | 21:46 |
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ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118159/ has no bug linked | 21:46 |
ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118493 doesn't seem to have a horizon bug linked either | 21:46 |
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ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1367394 is untargeted | 21:46 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367394 in horizon "[data processing] Allow username password to be optional for data sources/job binaries" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:47 |
ttx | SergeyLukjanov: you might want to make sure they are all attached to bugs that are targeted to RC1 | 21:47 |
SergeyLukjanov | ttx, should we re-upload them with bugs attached and target them to rc1 to make sure that sahara will work in Juno Horizon? | 21:47 |
ttx | otherwise we'll probably release without them in | 21:47 |
david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: yes | 21:47 |
SergeyLukjanov | ttx, okay, I'll reupload patches after the meeting and ask david-lyle to target them to rc1 | 21:47 |
SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, ttx, thx | 21:48 |
david-lyle | only one of those I was tracking at all | 21:48 |
david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: ++ | 21:48 |
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ttx | ok, anything else ? | 21:48 |
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ttx | I'll take that as a no | 21:49 |
ttx | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 21:49:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-23-21.03.html | 21:50 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-23-21.03.txt | 21:50 |
eglynn_ | good night all! | 21:50 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-09-23-21.03.log.html | 21:50 |
ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:50 |
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SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx | 21:50 |
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