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| HenryG | Hi akamyshnikova_ jlibosva salv-orlando ... | 13:01 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | hi | 13:01 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: hi | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 13:01:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:01 |
| salv-orlando | I need to go afk in 15 minutes. If you have any item for me cna you please move it forward? | 13:01 |
| HenryG | Not much left to discuss | 13:02 |
| HenryG | Reorganize migrations is merged | 13:02 |
| HenryG | Migration unit tests are working | 13:02 |
| akamyshnikova_ | salv-orlando, I have question how can I recheck vmware? | 13:02 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova_: vmware-recheck, but we suspended neutron jobs last weeks. | 13:03 |
| salv-orlando | I resumed them this morning. | 13:04 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | salv-orlando, ok, thanks! | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I was on PTO - this merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117913/ and people said they had no problem updating from havana? | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | I think they should have had problems… according to your comments? | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | or did someone else fix the patch for me? | 13:05 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: I/we fixed while you were away | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: HenryG used the conditions for operations | 13:05 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: thanks guys, this is what I was planning to do | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: all credit goes to HenryG :) | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | but hardly found any time to sit in front of a keyboard last week | 13:06 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: We are here to serve :) | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: salv-orlando does it mean in the end we don't support offline migrations now, right? | 13:07 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: Only for Juno | 13:07 |
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| jlibosva | Is it documented somewhere? | 13:08 |
| HenryG | Not yet | 13:08 |
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| HenryG | We need to update the deployer/operator docs | 13:08 |
| HenryG | From kilo we will once again support offline migrations | 13:09 |
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| HenryG | I.e. Juno -> Kilo -> L___ -> etc. | 13:09 |
| HenryG | It's only Icehouse -> Juno that needs to be online | 13:10 |
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| HenryG | #action HenryG to ensure operator docs get updated | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | correct. It is a suspension in offline migration support. | 13:11 |
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| salv-orlando | we already agreed to this when we did the healing script | 13:11 |
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| HenryG | Yup | 13:13 |
| HenryG | Anything other questions for salv-orlando ? | 13:13 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: You may be excused. :) | 13:14 |
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| HenryG | #topic Migration Unit Tests | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Unit Tests (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:14 | |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: These now work great! | 13:15 |
| amotoki | We need to mention Juno migration does not support offline mode in the release note. I believe Kyle will cover this :-) | 13:15 |
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| HenryG | amotoki: thanks, I will get in touch with mestery about that | 13:16 |
| mestery | amotoki: Thanks for the reminder here, I'll make sure to cover that as well. | 13:16 |
| amotoki | HenryG: mestery: we check the release note as a community. it is wiki-based :-) | 13:16 |
| mestery | amotoki: Exactly, please feel free to update that yourself! :) | 13:16 |
| akamyshnikova_ | akamyshnikova_, this working ok now :) so it needs review and we are ready to merge :) | 13:17 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova_: I will do a review of those patches later on today. | 13:17 |
| akamyshnikova_ | salv-orlando, thanks! | 13:17 |
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| salv-orlando | I have to leave now. Enjoy the rest of meeting. If there is any note for me I’ll read the log when I’ll be back. | 13:18 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: I see a comment from Maru about moving it to functional job. I will talk to him about that. | 13:18 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Thanks for your time. | 13:18 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: Since no root or devstack env is required, it does not need to be in the functional job. | 13:19 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: akamyshnikova_ I don't think the reason is root or devstack but the system interaction | 13:20 |
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| amotoki | HenryG: doesn't it depend on db back-ends like mysql or postgres? | 13:20 |
| HenryG | Yes, it does | 13:20 |
| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, yes, in fact these tests was created in oslo to be implemented in unittests | 13:21 |
| HenryG | But it will skip if they are not found. | 13:21 |
| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, yes if backend is not available tests just skip | 13:21 |
| HenryG | But Maru is the test guru, so we should still listen carefully to his reasoning. | 13:22 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | sure | 13:22 |
| amotoki | it doesnt require devstack but a specific backend needs to be installed. for some case postgresql should be installed. Can we satisfy the requirement? | 13:23 |
| HenryG | amotoki: The unit test requirements are currently python only. | 13:23 |
| amotoki | HenryG: yes | 13:24 |
| akamyshnikova_ | in gate we have all necessary backend for this test available(mysql,postgres) | 13:24 |
| akamyshnikova_ | locally you have to install it yourself | 13:24 |
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| HenryG | The advantage of having the tests in unit tests is that it is easier for developers to test than setting up the environment for the functional tests. | 13:25 |
| HenryG | So it will be easier for devs to test locally. | 13:25 |
| akamyshnikova_ | I added information in developer's documentation about this test | 13:26 |
| amotoki | Okay, i got the situation. It is a kind of functional tests, but the situation around db is a bit different. thanks. | 13:26 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: someone will still need to setup db, no? | 13:27 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: Yes, but it takes like 30 seconds to do it manually. One time. | 13:27 |
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| HenryG | However, setting up the functional test environment is not hard either. And moving the tests to the functional job is not a bad thing. | 13:30 |
| jlibosva | I'm more inclined to move it to functional | 13:30 |
| HenryG | I would prefer it to be in unit tests, but I will talk to Maru. | 13:30 |
| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, I also thinks that it should be unit tests, but of course we need to know why Maru suggest this. | 13:32 |
| akamyshnikova_ | I will be online next 2 hours if you will need me | 13:32 |
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| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:33 |
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| HenryG | Anything else? | 13:33 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, I want to ask what sort of docs should I provide for test, but I think we need to get feedback from Maru first | 13:33 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: You already have the information in the comments. It's just a question of where to put them officially. | 13:35 |
| akamyshnikova_ | it won't be added in docs.openstack.org? | 13:36 |
| akamyshnikova_ | automatically | 13:36 |
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| * HenryG knows too little about how documentation is done :( | 13:37 | |
| akamyshnikova_ | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/20/76520/71/check/gate-neutron-docs/87432c0/doc/build/html/devref/db_layer.html#module-neutron.tests.unit.db.test_migration | 13:37 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | this is result of gate-neutron-docs | 13:38 |
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| HenryG | Very nice, I did not know that. | 13:38 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | :) | 13:39 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: We can check with emagana if that is sufficient or if some other steps are needed. | 13:40 |
| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, great thanks! | 13:40 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: In your commit message you can put "DocImpact: developer docs" | 13:41 |
| akamyshnikova_ | HenryG, sure, thanks, for pointing this | 13:41 |
| amotoki | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html is generated automatically when neutron repo is updated. | 13:42 |
| amotoki | DocImpact for developer docs is unnecessary. | 13:42 |
| akamyshnikova_ | amotoki, ok | 13:42 |
| amotoki | DocImpact flag is mainly targeted for documentations manually updated like admin guide or something. | 13:43 |
| akamyshnikova_ | amotoki, is there anything else what I should provide? | 13:43 |
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| amotoki | i think dev doc in neutron repo is enough | 13:44 |
| amotoki | as long as it does not affect operators. | 13:44 |
| akamyshnikova_ | amotoki, ok, thanks! | 13:45 |
| amotoki | akamyshnikova_: does it make sense? | 13:45 |
| akamyshnikova_ | amotoki, yes, thank you for explanation :) | 13:46 |
| HenryG | amotoki: You are talking about doc/source/devref/* ? | 13:46 |
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| amotoki | HenryG: In my understanding, doc under neutron repo is the developer docs. | 13:47 |
| HenryG | amotoki: OK, thanks | 13:47 |
| HenryG | There is also TESTING.rst in the root dir | 13:48 |
| HenryG | Anyway, we'll figure it out. | 13:48 |
| HenryG | Anything else to discuss? | 13:49 |
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| amotoki | none from me. Thanks for your great work on migrations! | 13:50 |
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| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 13:55 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 13:55:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-15-13.01.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-15-13.01.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-15-13.01.log.html | 13:55 |
| jlibosva | Thanks, bye | 13:55 |
| akamyshnikova_ | thanks, bye! | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | bye | 13:57 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 15:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Who’s here? | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | Did I miss a timezone change or an hour shift or something? | 15:04 |
| jeblair | ... | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Woo, there’s a jeblair | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Is there a ttx? | 15:05 |
| jeblair | or a mordred? | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | Or a NikitaKonovalov? | 15:05 |
| ttx | yes | 15:05 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:05 |
| ttx | sorry, having parallel discussions | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | Great! | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: RabbitMQ | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | So from what I gathered, when the publisher merged we started to see consistent failed connections in the storyboard logs, yes? | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | jeblair put up a patch to turn that off in the puppet module. | 15:06 |
| jeblair | yeah, after a time | 15:06 |
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| krotscheck | At least, to turn off publishing. | 15:06 |
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| jeblair | (eg, works for some period of time, then all connections after that time failed) | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Part of the issue is that there was no robust reconnection logic in the message abstraction. | 15:07 |
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| krotscheck | There might be another issue, but that’s the big one. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | I’ve made some modifications to the connection handling that should address some of that, but it needs lots of eyeballs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119266/ | 15:08 |
| jeblair | i will be happy to review that; i think i can fit it in today | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | Awesome | 15:08 |
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| krotscheck | Thanks jeblair. fungi, think you can dip your toe into StoryBoard country a bit today as well? | 15:08 |
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| fungi | sure | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Thanks :) | 15:09 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i note in the commit msg, you mention we can lose the connections after a rabbit restart... | 15:09 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Yeah - and rabbit is fail-fast | 15:09 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: timeouts are another possibility yeah? | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Yep | 15:09 |
| jeblair | i mean, rabbit dropping due to idle timeouts | 15:09 |
| jeblair | (which is probably what was actually happening?) | 15:10 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: More likely, I think. I think we didn’t see that because in config on dev boxes we just set an infinite timeout, but that’s not a legitimate solution in a prod environment. | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: That, and we kept restarting the API server and tehrefore the connection | 15:11 |
| jeblair | should we set a really long timeout in prod? | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I don’t think that’ll be necessary after this patch? | 15:11 |
| jeblair | k | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Any other thoughts on Rabbit before we talk Launchpad migration? | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent: Launchpad Migration | 15:12 |
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| krotscheck | mordred dropped a nice utility that does migration by project, without actually adding a way to invoke it. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | I’ve got a branch that I’m working on to fix and refine that a bit, however my efforts were partly hampered by very happy post-op painkillers. | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | I want to get a quick feel for how “storyboard-import ‘projectname’” feels? | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | (As a CLI) | 15:14 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: you improved mordred's drunk coding with narcotic coding? ;) | 15:15 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Yes! I added rainbows. | 15:15 |
| fungi | meh, sounds like a cli. i don't think a one-parameter command line invocation deserves a lot of bikeshedding | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | I did run into a de-duplication issue on migration failure, the first step to address is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121201/ | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | I’m a bit cagey about adding a full REST origin path into the database though. | 15:16 |
| jeblair | seems good to me. might we end up with different names on both sides though? | 15:16 |
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| fungi | also, the chances that we'll use it much past the transition from lp to sb is pretty remote (though i suppose it could come up from time to time if openstack adds a new project which already had a life in lp with existing bugs) | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Hrm- good point. | 15:17 |
| jeblair | well, for one, storyboard names are 'openstack/foo' rather than just 'foo' on lp; so they will all be at least a little different | 15:17 |
| fungi | and yeah, i suppose being able to rename the project on import would be useful | 15:17 |
| jeblair | so may as well just specify both old and new, i think | 15:17 |
| * krotscheck makes a mental note to do rename-on-import | 15:17 | |
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| fungi | though we probably need to make sure the renaming-a-project-alread-in-storyboard scenario is well addressed regardless | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | What about de-duping? | 15:18 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: That’s my test case, which is where the de-duplication issue started to come up :) | 15:18 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: elaborate on de-duping? | 15:18 |
| * krotscheck wonders if the renaming thing can be a convenient way to say: Hey, ship all of bugs from project X into project Y. | 15:18 | |
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| jeblair | oh. i'm not immediately forseeing a need for that; i was mostly on about just differences in names in the 2 systems | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | de-duping: So, the case I ran into was - 1- kick off an import, 2- have it fail because of +janitor not having an openid (other reasons possible), 3- Restarting the import, 4- Getting lots of duplicates. | 15:19 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: oh gotcha | 15:20 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: perhaps a related issue is bugs that affect multiple lp projects? | 15:20 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: so if you import a bunch of foo bugs, and then a bunch of bar bugs, it would be nice if the bugs that affected both foo and bar ended up as on story with multiple tasks, rather than 2 stories | 15:20 |
| fungi | right, given those different projects could be imported at different times | 15:21 |
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| jeblair | a legitimate solution would be to import the full set of projects at once, but i think it would be better to support the one-at-a-time mechanism (just so it's easier for us to actually run and test and fix problems etc), but with good deduping for both of these cases | 15:22 |
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| mordred | (maybe want to store their external id somewhere for this?) | 15:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: the output of the tool is sql, right? | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so we don't actually know the state of the db when running it; that makes it a bit hard, yeah? | 15:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: the tool actually makes sqlalchemy calls | 15:24 |
| jeblair | oh ok | 15:25 |
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| jeblair | then deduping should be possible | 15:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: I had an "export some json so we could see what's going on" thing in there ... but it's not a needed step | 15:25 |
| jeblair | we could probably store the ids in a local file then, so we don't have to dirty up the db schema | 15:25 |
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| krotscheck | My modification uses this fancy python generator thing taht turns launchpad into an interable. | 15:25 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t mind using a temporary import cache. | 15:26 | |
| krotscheck | I do like the idea of having some way of linking a task to something upstream-ish, but maybe that’s a different feature altogether. | 15:26 |
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| jeblair | i like that as part of lp's links to external bug trackers feature; however, that's hard and i think not to be undertaken lightly (it's really disappointing when it does not work). and i don't think we need to maintain the import link once it's complete | 15:27 |
| jeblair | (we all want to stop using lp completely) | 15:27 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Do you think the launchpad import would be an entirely manual step, i.e. a human would do it? | 15:29 |
| fungi | agreed. at most we might like to be able to link to lp bugs for non-openstack projects from time to time (or bitbucket, or github, or...) but it doesn't seem like a required feature and certainly not one we'd want to use to link to external copies of our own bugs | 15:29 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: yes i think so | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Ok, then making it headless is not a priority. Good. | 15:29 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i think the import process is going to be exceptional, and we can have all hands on deck doing manual things as needed to help it along | 15:30 |
| krotscheck | Alright, I’ll drop the schema change patch then :) | 15:30 |
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| krotscheck | And we’ll keep the cache in the filesystem. | 15:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:31 |
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| krotscheck | Cool. I’ll keep working on that today and will hopefully have something by the time I’m in SF, maybe beforehand. | 15:32 |
| fungi | having "a way to do it whose steps are sufficiently documented for a root admin to follow" is good enough i think | 15:32 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: People keep using launchpad after we’ve moved a project to storyboard. | 15:32 |
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| jeblair | so i think we can turn off bug trackers in lp projects | 15:33 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Is that a ‘click a button in launchpad’ thing or a ‘make a patch to /config’ thing? | 15:33 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: click in lp | 15:34 |
| fungi | you disable bugs in the lp project, preferably also adding some visible link in lp to the new bug tracker | 15:34 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so we’ll have to add that to the migration documentation. | 15:34 |
| * krotscheck feels like that’ll be a patch on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108460/ | 15:34 | |
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| jeblair | we have a team that owns all the projects in lp, and so we can make this change for at least infra/openstack | 15:36 |
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| jeblair | i'm not sure what our answer will be if a stackforge project wants imports. maybe we batch them up and do them every few weeks for a while, but eventually we should have a cutoff. | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, we batch renames, don’t we? | 15:37 |
| fungi | and after that they can copy/paste their old bugs into sb if they want them | 15:37 |
| jeblair | yup | 15:37 |
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| jeblair | and yup | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | Seems both sane and not-overwhelming. | 15:38 |
| fungi | we're all already overwhelmed. the question is just how much more overwhelming | 15:38 |
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| krotscheck | Well, migrations are going to be a one time thing. Batching things up even to the point of saying: Hey, you can have this done At the mid-cycle or at the summit, anyything else is special-case | 15:40 |
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| fungi | sure | 15:41 |
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| krotscheck | That seems like we have reasonable consensus there, and turning things off in launchpad is also a thing. Let’ smove on | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP1.1 Search | 15:42 |
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| krotscheck | I think search is at the point of “hey let’s treat everything form here on as a bug" | 15:43 |
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| krotscheck | I’m going to skip over subscription and project gorups, because we’ve talked about both of those. | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | Sorry | 15:44 |
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| krotscheck | Subscriptions and data import | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP1.1 Project Groups | 15:44 |
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| krotscheck | There seems to be a discussion related to, but orthogonal to, project groups that -infra needs to have regarding naming conventions of project groups? | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | anetaya kicked it off here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111815/ | 15:45 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: those will be easy to change later? | 15:47 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: because, yeah, i think the original classifications may have bitrotted a bit | 15:47 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: It should be. I’m expecting that the project-group management is going to be handled via review.projects.yaml | 15:48 |
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| jeblair | so as long as we can come back and clean it up later (eg, move stuff in/out of oslo), i think we can proceed with the mechanical syntax change for now | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | At this time, project groups are _only_ an artifact of StoryBoard. | 15:49 |
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| krotscheck | So yeah, we’ll be able to clean it up later. | 15:49 |
| ttx | yes, but they are awesome! | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: I’ll bring the topic up in -infra later so anetaya can weigh in and it’s not a weird-back-meeting-decision thing. | 15:50 |
| fungi | hrm... i'm not sure we can claim they're only an artifact of sb | 15:50 |
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| * krotscheck doesn’t like ‘oh-you-weren’t-there’ decisions. | 15:50 | |
| krotscheck | fungi: Oh? | 15:50 |
| fungi | we implemented that tracking in jeepyb specifically to deal with multiple-gerrit-projects -> one-lp-project mapping | 15:51 |
| fungi | we called it "groups" because we planned to need to relate it to sb as well | 15:51 |
| jeblair | oh that's right | 15:51 |
| jeblair | i forgot about that (because we called it groups instead of what we used to call it to indicate it was for lp) | 15:51 |
| fungi | 'zactly | 15:51 |
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| krotscheck | ….hrm. I think that makes it more complicated. | 15:52 |
| jeblair | so we should probably, and this is slightly insane, leave 'group' as is | 15:52 |
| jeblair | and then just start adding 'groups' for storyboard | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | ….. | 15:52 |
| fungi | heh | 15:52 |
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| krotscheck | urm. | 15:52 |
| jeblair | and if we have a spare moment, change 'group' back to mean 'launchpad mapping' | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | slightly | 15:52 |
| * fungi buries his face in his hands | 15:52 | |
| jeblair | or | 15:52 |
| jeblair | we can update jeepyb to also understand groups | 15:52 |
| jeblair | and make the switch to groups | 15:52 |
| jeblair | but then we'll need to think carefully about any changes there | 15:53 |
| fungi | i think maybe we make them synonyms, and have jeepyb assume sb-only of the list is longer than one? | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: You mean like this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111814/ | 15:53 |
| jeblair | (eg, is this both what we want in storyboard and will it still do what we want in lp) | 15:53 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah, do we want to split up projects in sb which are members of a group in lp... gotcha | 15:53 |
| fungi | though... for imports that's still a problem | 15:53 |
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| fungi | because there's no way to map bugs from an lp group to separate sb projects on import, except somewhat arbitrarily-tracked tags | 15:54 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: yep, that's what i meant. ;) | 15:55 |
| jeblair | okay, so we can do the mechanical translation once that merges... | 15:55 |
| jeblair | but we will need to keep in mind the lp functionality while we're still using lp | 15:55 |
| jeblair | and then we are free to change groups around after the import | 15:55 |
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| fungi | i feel like supporting a divergence from lp grouping to sb grouping during import is probably not worth the effort either | 15:55 |
| jeblair | (eg, openstack-ci -> infra) | 15:55 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, I’m going to add this topic to the infra agenda, because it feels like a broader discussion. | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | .... | 15:56 |
| * krotscheck feels like he just escalated something. Which feels corporate-ish. | 15:57 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work | 15:58 |
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| krotscheck | Y’all know what I’m working on. NikitaKonovalov is currently still assigned to Sahara at the Mirantis side of things. | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | Ish__ is back at school, so at the moment it’s all me. | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:58 |
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| krotscheck | We’ve got 2 minutes! Discuss things! | 15:58 |
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| krotscheck | Allllright, let’s call it then. | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: do you have any specs that need attention? | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Nope. Too much leftover work. | 15:59 |
| jeblair | kk | 16:00 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: I need to spend a lot of time actually finishing things :) | 16:00 |
| jeblair | i know the feeling :) | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | Without narcotics :D | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: You going to be at OpenStack SV? | 16:00 |
| jeblair | nope | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | rakhmerov: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | kk, then I’ll miss you this SF trip. | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| nmakhotkin_ | hi ! | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 16:01:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-15-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-15-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-09-15-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 16:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | sorry guys | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova_ | hi ) | 16:01 |
| xazel | hey | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | a couple of mins guys | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov, nmakhotkin, enykeev: Add action into REST API/Client/CLI | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 2. nmakhotkin, we should see action parameters and description (if possible) when calling API | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin_, how is that going? | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | can you please tell the progress? | 16:06 |
| nmakhotkin_ | I've added parameters to Action's model | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:06 |
| nmakhotkin_ | and generation of parameters and description for std actions | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | how about OpenStack actions? Is there any progress on them? | 16:07 |
| dzimine | Hi all sorry I'm late | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I know you were supposed to do some research and see if that's feasible at all | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | hey Dmitri | 16:07 |
| nmakhotkin_ | it is not well understandable at this moment | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | let's make it a low priority task for now | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | because it seems to be a risk | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | let's move on to the next item | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | 3. nmakhotkin, enykeev: Implement filters on REST API endpoints which work with multiple items (such as /tasks, /workbooks etc.) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | xazel, could you please highlight the progress on that? | 16:09 |
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| xazel | basically, I'm a little bit stuck here. WSME requires that we define all the parameters we would get, so naive approach like /tasks?state=ERROR would not work | 16:11 |
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| xazel | I didn't have enough time to dig a bit deeper and for now I've just added /executions/[id]/tasks controller | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:12 |
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| xazel | from what I've seen, I don't like WSME at all =\ | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | my suggestion would be to shoot an email to ML to ask how that problem with WSME can be solved. Is it an intentional limitation or it can be configured somehow | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | and for now merge this endpoint | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | xazel, I thought you loved it :) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| xazel | yeah, it's probably a best way to handle that, but I won't be around for the next week | 16:14 |
| dzimine | The executions/ID/tasks solves the main use case of seeing execution details, the rest is less critical | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I agree | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | in general ) | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | 4. nmakhotkin, rakhmerov: make it possible to use different data types in action/workflow params (None, False/True, numbers, expressions) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin_, it's done, correct? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | or something is still left on that? | 16:15 |
| nmakhotkin_ | yes :) | 16:15 |
| nmakhotkin_ | it's done | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | 5. bhavenst: start working on Metrics Collector, the first step is to make the requirements more detailed and capture them in a specification document (e.g. etherpad) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, are you with us today? | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | looks like he's not | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I know he started working on it | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | he was looking at WFaaS whitepaper that Roshan sent us and was supposead to merge his ideas with the ideas in this document | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | Me: whe | 16:18 |
| dzimine | Ups | 16:18 |
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| xazel | Updated dashboard to work with v2 API. | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | I know we've probably told most of the status. If you have anything to add to it let's do this | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | xazel, did you knock down all the changes we discussed? | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | like date formatting etc. | 16:19 |
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| xazel | yep, both date and json formatting | 16:20 |
| nmakhotkin_ | last week I resolved some issues with task parameters, workflow parameters and generation action parameters | 16:20 |
| akuznetsova_ | i've written tests for CLI v2 and 've refactored API tests and add tests for wfs | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | my status: Almost finished a huge engine refactoring to implement bp/mistral-engine-instructions, planning to finish and commit it today | 16:20 |
| nmakhotkin_ | also today around 5-6 fixes | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | there's a WIP already | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:21 |
| dzimine | I am reviewing our resulting DSL this week. | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
| dzimine | Also while porting a change to accept task data result, found a bug in the V2 API and want to discuss the whole result/output story with Renat | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | guys (especially Dmitri), I would like to ask you to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121526/ | 16:23 |
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| dzimine | Ack | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | I left my comments there and I'm really not sure what the right solution should be | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | something that I got stuck with about a month ago and deferred it for better times | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, let's discuss it | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | I guess you want to do it personally? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | not here | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move to the next topic | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Release 0.1 progress | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | we've already discussed most of the things that were left before we release 0.1 | 16:27 |
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| dzimine | Yes I am sending Renat full agenda on what we cover while he is here | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | so our one of our priority is to finish all the patches hanging now | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | and I'm supposed to finish engine instructions (good progress on that) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, thanks | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, what about testing examples? | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | were you able to test all of them? | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin_? | 16:29 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Nikolay said that he run main demo scenario and it was successfully | 16:29 |
| nmakhotkin_ | not yet all | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, what's left? | 16:30 |
| nmakhotkin_ | but vm_job works fine with my today's patches | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, I approved most of them already | 16:30 |
| nmakhotkin_ | the rest I'll test tomorrow, I think | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova_ | nmakhotkin_: you can share some scenarious with me, i will help you | 16:30 |
| dzimine_ | whoami | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | the most tricky one is that Data Flow patch | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin_ | yes, without it this example fails | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, yes, guys. Please split the examples between you | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin_ | ok | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | My prediction is that there won't be serious problems with them | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | they're pretty simple | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, good | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | feels like we're almost there | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | meaning 0l1 | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | o.1 | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | 0.1 (sorry) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway I'd like to take a couple of extra days to test everything thoroughly to make sure everything is ok | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, nmakhotkin: split all examples and test them in parallel | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | another thing I'd like to ask you about is walking through all the READMEs and fix whatever you thing is obsolete | 16:35 |
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| dzimine_ | i propose to rename /v2 to /experimental to stress that we have not reached the point to freeze the API just yet. | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | hm... | 16:35 |
| dzimine_ | Thinking that after 0.1 goes off, we will be trying to use it and learn few things and be free to change the API | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | let's think about | 16:36 |
| dzimine_ | for some time, and once we are more certain it works, we rename it to V2. | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | but I think it's not how it's usually done in OpenStack | 16:36 |
| dzimine_ | Yes that’s an idea to think about and decide by the time we do 0.1 | 16:36 |
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| dzimine_ | This is a typical approache but you’re right openstack is not doing it this way | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | I would personally announce it as "not final" without real renaming | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | so when we release we emphasize that it might change | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | but only within some reasonable period of time | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | 2-3 weeks | 16:38 |
| dzimine_ | ok | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | mostly I'm personally concerned about DSL, not API | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I'm even pretty sure we'll want to change some things in DSL | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm confident about API (except that issue with WSME that I'd like to fix, not asap but anyway) | 16:40 |
| dzimine_ | the 3rd part is “SDK”, Action interface. Yes. | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | btw, one thing that's still bothering me is that we run ALL actions on executors | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | even if it's something like std.echo that takes a couple of microseconds (may be less) to complete | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | so my thought was to introduce another action property like "is_local" to let the engine know it doesn't make sense to send it to an executor | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | and it can be just called immediately | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | this is an optimisation but pretty important one I think | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | so something like this may pop up, you're right | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | ok guys, is there anything else you'd like to discuss? | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's close the meeting then | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone for joining! | 16:46 |
| xazel | Thanks | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | bye | 16:46 |
| akuznetsova_ | bye) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 16:46:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-15-16.01.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-15-16.01.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-15-16.01.log.html | 16:46 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 17:02:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| sarob | morning/afternoon/evening all | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi al | 17:02 |
| matjazp | all | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:02 |
| sayali | hello | 17:02 |
| dbite | hello | 17:03 |
| matjazp | dbite: Wie Geht's? :) | 17:03 |
| sarob | meganr with us? | 17:03 |
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| sarob | guten tag heir dbite | 17:03 |
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| * dbite I cannot speak German :| | 17:04 | |
| dbite | damn | 17:04 |
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| sarob | dbite time to start, yo | 17:04 |
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| dbite | yeah | 17:04 |
| sarob | #topic docs | 17:04 |
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| dbite | I am good | 17:04 |
| sarob | and .... go | 17:04 |
| dbite | and good day to all | 17:04 |
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| dbite | alrite, back to the topics | 17:05 |
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| dbite | we need to update the docs.openstack.org webpages with the current training docs | 17:05 |
| dbite | I think the content up there is not from this release | 17:05 |
| dbite | anyone interested in backports or should I take the task? | 17:06 |
| sarob | dbite: ill take updating the wiki page | 17:07 |
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| sarob | #action sarob update the wiki page with the current training docs | 17:07 |
| matjazp | sarob: ...and we all update subproject sections | 17:08 |
| dbite | ok, I will take the rest of the updates | 17:08 |
| * dbite dguitarbite backports the required content | 17:08 | |
| sarob | matjazp: sure | 17:08 |
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| dbite | I need to discuss the openstack-doc-tools section with Andreas before I can work on it | 17:09 |
| dbite | since we are in the same office, it will be a lot easier now | 17:09 |
| sarob | dbite: righto | 17:09 |
| dbite | the tools for automatically building the upstream content | 17:10 |
| dbite | and also will be useful for future ppts | 17:10 |
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| sarob | #action dbite work with AJaeger on openstack-doc-tools for html, pdf, and ppt, | 17:12 |
| dbite | any questions? | 17:12 |
| dbite | if not, lets move on. | 17:12 |
| sarob | dbite: not from me | 17:12 |
| sarob | #topic infra | 17:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "infra (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:13 | |
| sarob | are we discussing labs along with trainer tools? | 17:13 |
| matjazp | trainer tools? | 17:14 |
| dbite | sarob: trainer tools? | 17:14 |
| sarob | build scripts | 17:14 |
| sarob | trainer stuff | 17:14 |
| dbite | I would not prefer to tag it under trainer tools, since this is also useful for students | 17:14 |
| dbite | who are learning on their own | 17:14 |
| matjazp | dbite: agree | 17:15 |
| rluethi | and hopefully doc authors | 17:15 |
| sarob | i guess i should have asking during docs | 17:15 |
| dbite | rluethi: yes, I missed that | 17:15 |
| sarob | never the less, whats up with infra | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | there's at least one nasty bug hiding in the lab scripts (or the code they use). | 17:16 |
| matjazp | rluethi: ? whats that? | 17:17 |
| rluethi | instances get DHCP only sometimes. | 17:17 |
| rluethi | I suspect another race. | 17:17 |
| dbite | I agree, its not exactly clear what is happening under the ML2 part | 17:17 |
| sarob | rluethi: is there an ask or a bug on it? | 17:17 |
| dbite | or its just hardware limitation | 17:17 |
| dbite | sarob: we are kind of doing an unique deployment here | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: you tried it on fast hw? | 17:18 |
| rluethi | sarob: not yet. we're still working on it. | 17:18 |
| rluethi | matjazp: yes. it occurs on fast hardware, too. | 17:18 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: even if it didn't, I want to figure out what's happening. | 17:18 |
| sarob | dbite: i get that its different than the reqular deployment | 17:19 |
| rluethi | matjazp: we should tell users: if your instances don't the DHCP, you may have insufficient resources. | 17:19 |
| rluethi | matjazp: s/should/should not/ ! | 17:19 |
| sarob | dbite: if we dont mark it as a bug, then then its possible others using training guides are seeing the same problem | 17:19 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I had problems in the past with slow HW... on fast hw it was ok | 17:19 |
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| sarob | rluethi: manually assigning IP as workaround? | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: sure, but if it works on fast(er) HW, than you know where to look for a bug | 17:20 |
| rluethi | sarob: last resort :). | 17:20 |
| sarob | rluethi: few extra steps would be better than confusion | 17:21 |
| sarob | rluethi: so add manual IP as troubleshooting step | 17:21 |
| rluethi | sarob: I'll keep that in mind. | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sarob: hmm... labs should work with such a basic stuff as DHCP and metadata server | 17:21 |
| matjazp | rluethi: we don't have all-in-one config, right? | 17:22 |
| sarob | rluethi: some of the user group were complaining of a similar problem but different cause | 17:22 |
| rluethi | matjazp: not yet. | 17:22 |
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| rluethi | sarob: what was the problem and the cause? | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: all-in-one configs were less problematic | 17:23 |
| sarob | rluethi: consistently were unable to get dhcp assigned addresses, solved by using nat | 17:23 |
| dbite | allinone should work | 17:24 |
| rluethi | matjazp: you mean the problem is less reproducible? that's not what I am looking for :). | 17:24 |
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| rluethi | sarob: nat where? is that documented somewhere? | 17:25 |
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| sarob | i started to walk the person through submitting the bug | 17:25 |
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| sarob | doesnt look like it got submitted | 17:26 |
| rluethi | sarob: bummer | 17:26 |
| matjazp | rluethi: no, but if it works on all-in-one, than you know at least that config is ok. on slow hw all-in-one was working ok, multinode config didn't | 17:26 |
| sarob | rluethi: dig around in my notes | 17:26 |
| rluethi | matjazp: no, if it works on hardware, all I know is that the fast hardware may hiding a configuration bug. | 17:26 |
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| rluethi | s/hardware/fast hardware/ | 17:27 |
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| dbite | matjazp: your logic for allinone has a flaw | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: you could be hitting timeouts because of hw can't cope with all the processes/traffic | 17:28 |
| rluethi | matjazp: true. | 17:28 |
| dbite | if it works for allinone does not mean that it will work for multi node and/or is a test to guarantee or certify that the cluster should work since it all worked on one node | 17:28 |
| sarob | rluethi: ah, he submitted it as ask #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/46557/cant-connect-from-laptop-to-new-openstack-intance-via-vbox/ | 17:28 |
| sarob | think that is the same person | 17:28 |
| matjazp | dbite: I'm not saying it is true for all configs, I'm just saying what I encountered | 17:28 |
| sarob | slim notes | 17:28 |
| matjazp | old laptops | 17:28 |
| sarob | no matter | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | sarob: thanks, I'll take a look. | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | hi MeganR | 17:30 |
| rluethi | matjazp: we all agree we want an allinone config. and it will likely have lower hardware requirements than the cluster. | 17:30 |
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| dbite | sarob: I saw his question | 17:30 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I just want a better criterion than "if DHCP fails, use all-in-one" | 17:30 |
| dbite | and I know what is his problem | 17:30 |
| MeganR | Hi - sorry to be so late, connection issues | 17:30 |
| sarob | yes, allinone is good | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, we all agree here | 17:30 |
| dbite | OVS will not work with bridged connections (VBOX Adapters) becuase you need the external network to be bridged from inside the VM | 17:30 |
| dbite | bridged on bridged connections does not work | 17:31 |
| dbite | rluethi: I agree | 17:31 |
| sarob | dbite: makes sense | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: especially considering that I have seen the DHCP problem on pretty decent hardware, too. just not as often. | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: decent == i7 4 cores, 16 GB RAM, SSD | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, this looks like smthng else | 17:33 |
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| dbite | does anyone have the license for VMware workstation? | 17:34 |
| matjazp | dbite: I have fusion on my mac | 17:34 |
| dbite | I suggest trying the setup on VMware to figure out if this is an issue with Virtuabox | 17:34 |
| dbite | KVM/Zen would also do the tricl | 17:35 |
| dbite | *trick | 17:35 |
| sarob | dbite: no, but wouldnt open version of fusion be good too? | 17:35 |
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| dbite | as far as I remember VMWare and KVM allows good support for nested virtualization, that may solve many of networking issues | 17:35 |
| matjazp | aren't this scripts only for vbox? | 17:35 |
| dbite | my suggestion is to just check if VirtualBox has an issue | 17:35 |
| dbite | matjazp: yes, but you need to do some of the steps manually and then run the scripts | 17:36 |
| sarob | matjazp: that was my assumption for test debug as well | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | dbite: can you write that somewhere? in a readme? | 17:36 |
| rluethi | matjazp: a while back, I started work on a KVM backend, but there was no time to finish it. it's another item on the wishlist. | 17:36 |
| dbite | I would love to see someone try it out with KVM, I will try it but I cannot promise much given the lack of time | 17:36 |
| dbite | yes, if KVM works | 17:36 |
| dbite | then we dont have to worry much about VirtualBox based labs | 17:37 |
| rluethi | virtualbox is our only option on Windows. | 17:37 |
| matjazp | dbite: hmmm.. not so sure | 17:37 |
| matjazp | rluethi: exactly | 17:37 |
| dbite | matjazp: Yes, I will try to do that soon | 17:37 |
| sarob | dbite, rluethi: im trying to get some more people involved | 17:37 |
| dbite | does KVM run on Mac? | 17:37 |
| matjazp | dbite: no | 17:38 |
| matjazp | dbite: its linux kernel | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | dbite: only linux and solaris | 17:38 |
| dbite | hmm, I see | 17:38 |
| sarob | wouldnt this be a good alternate set of tasks to handoff to a few new contributors? | 17:38 |
| matjazp | rluethi: solaris? didn't know that | 17:38 |
| rluethi | matjazp: the opensource fork has a port. | 17:38 |
| dbite | matjazp: I think it runs on Solaris, but not sure that it runs on all of their hardwares | 17:39 |
| dbite | *hardware | 17:39 |
| dbite | I think we should continue this discussion later on IRC or mailing lists | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: so, strictly speaking it's not solaris proper but illumos. | 17:39 |
| sarob | rluethi: wouldnt it be a bit easier at this point to just add static IP as a workaround? | 17:40 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I dunno. I haven't tried. | 17:40 |
| dbite | sarob: it will not work | 17:40 |
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| dbite | the instances may get IP's but thoes IPs are just dummy IPs you cannot ping or access the VMs as required | 17:41 |
| dbite | *thoes | 17:41 |
| dbite | *those | 17:41 |
| matjazp | sarob: static fixed IPs? | 17:41 |
| matjazp | sarob: it would confuse students even more | 17:42 |
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| dbite | the problem is not with DHCP only | 17:42 |
| matjazp | sarob: all docs are saying fixed IPs gets assigned by a DHCP server | 17:42 |
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| dbite | the networks do not work | 17:42 |
| dbite | the DHCP lease is sent from Network Node to the Compute Node | 17:43 |
| dbite | and it gets lost somewhere in all that jazz | 17:43 |
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| sarob | matjazp, dbite, rluethi: okay, i agree it needs to be fixed and a workaround would be confusing | 17:43 |
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| sarob | can we file a bug and start shopping it around? | 17:44 |
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| dbite | sarob: I say yes, but we need rluethi's vote on this too | 17:44 |
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| sarob | ask may be better, since its configuration and vbox related | 17:45 |
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| sarob | i dunno | 17:45 |
| dbite | sarob: I think it is valid for a bug under training guides | 17:45 |
| rluethi | I'd try to figure it out ourselves first. | 17:45 |
| sarob | rluethi: okey dokey | 17:45 |
| rluethi | Either we fix it, or we get a better description of the problem. | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: you were quite sucessfull this weekend with lab's bug squashing :) | 17:46 |
| sarob | save more work on this for docs? | 17:46 |
| sarob | you'all speak of incubation? | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: except one bug that I fixed was introduced by yours truly. | 17:46 |
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| dbite | sarob: may be we should discuss this out loud on docs channel? | 17:47 |
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| dbite | because anne was asking last time after the meeting | 17:48 |
| sarob | sure, we can | 17:48 |
| dbite | about the incubation part, some questions she asked where above my understanding | 17:48 |
| dbite | I think we should involve her in this discussion | 17:48 |
| dbite | if possible | 17:48 |
| sarob | i was more asking if this group felt ready | 17:48 |
| sarob | annegentle isnt online right now | 17:49 |
| matjazp | sarob: can you do a quick pro/contra for incubation? and what that changes in this project? | 17:49 |
| dbite | oh, sorry. I misunderstood | 17:49 |
| sarob | #topic incubation discussion | 17:49 |
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| sarob | dbite: no prob | 17:49 |
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| dbite | matjazp: exactly what is on my mind | 17:49 |
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| dbite | annegentle asked the same questions, "what is that incubation will provide you that you are not getting at present?" | 17:50 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Incubation_Plan | 17:50 |
| sayali | I need to interrupt looking at the lack of time | 17:51 |
| sayali | About the audio visual content, as dicussed last time I took a look at the last few summit videos that had been recorded. But we will not be able to slice these videos and use them since their liscense would not permit it. So what work around would everyone suggest? | 17:51 |
| matjazp | sayali: can we ask Foundation to loose license? | 17:51 |
| sayali | license* | 17:51 |
| matjazp | or do we need to ask speakers? | 17:51 |
| dbite | yeah, send it over the mailing list | 17:51 |
| matjazp | I'm sure speakers would agree to it - more coverage for them | 17:52 |
| * matjazp looks if there's a lawyer around ;) | 17:52 | |
| rluethi | so basically the question is: who has the rights to relicense the content? | 17:52 |
| sayali | Yep. As of now all the videos are under the Standard youtube license. We need the speaker/owner to make the license Creative common so that anybody can reuse it | 17:53 |
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| sayali | the owner of the video does as far as I know | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | sayali: just make a list of possible videos and we can start contacting them | 17:53 |
| rluethi | sayali: maybe get the foundation involved so they can fix it at least for upcoming events!? | 17:53 |
| sayali | rluethi: that would be a good idea | 17:54 |
| sayali | matjazp: ok I could do that | 17:54 |
| sayali | Also using the youtube video editor to slice the videos seems like a good option | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | sarob: who would be a good fit to ask at the foundation? | 17:55 |
| dbite | matjazp: I think asking via the mailing list (i believe there is one for the foundation too) can be a good start | 17:56 |
| sarob | matjazp: hmmm, prob lauren to start with | 17:56 |
| sarob | dbite: i like that or community ml since tfifield and reed monitor it | 17:57 |
| dbite | yeah | 17:57 |
| sarob | real quick about incubation | 17:57 |
| dbite | we could approach tfifield more easier to explain him the technical requirement | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | sarob: shoot | 17:57 |
| sarob | when we started thinking about it, we were just creating the new repo | 17:57 |
| sarob | now that we are in the openstack github org | 17:58 |
| sarob | and the neutron and nova incubation sub project ideas floating around | 17:58 |
| sarob | im not sure what incubation would mean at this point | 17:58 |
| sarob | for us | 17:58 |
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| dbite | sarob: we are diverging a bit from openstack-manuals roadmap by adding the shell scripts, rst, more different content to be added soon with audio visual | 17:59 |
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| sarob | for people outside of the projects it means quality and officialiness | 17:59 |
| sarob | dbite: yeah | 17:59 |
| sarob | lets move this to docs | 17:59 |
| sarob | as we are out of | 17:59 |
| sarob | time | 17:59 |
| dbite | sure | 17:59 |
| sarob | thanks | 18:00 |
| sarob | all | 18:00 |
| matjazp | bye | 18:00 |
| sayali | bye | 18:00 |
| MeganR | bye | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 18:00:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-15-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-15-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-15-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 18:00:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | who's here this week? | 18:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:01 |
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| ignacio-scopetta | o/ | 18:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:01 |
| bmwiedemann | o/ | 18:01 |
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| omrim | o/ | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hello | 18:01 |
| ociuhandu | hello | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | Welcome everyone, let's get started! | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so we didn't have any active actions from last weeks meeting | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | but I will bring up the maillists again | 18:04 |
| anteaya | great | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | that was an announce, but please subscribe to announce at a minimum, if you have not already | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | heh, overload of announce | 18:05 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | that was an announcement, please join announce | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | see the lists at the bottom of that link, as well as many other good ones | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | alright, on to Announcements | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | There were none listed in the agenda | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | any to mention? | 18:06 |
| anteaya | actually if you refresh, there is | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | yes, refresh bit me again | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, you have the floor | 18:07 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:07 |
| anteaya | #info third party items etherpad for cross project discussion at summit is now up (anteaya) | 18:07 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 18:07 |
| anteaya | so here is our etherpad | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | great! | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | for us to identify and then prioritize items for discussion at the summit | 18:08 |
| anteaya | if you were following one of the threads | 18:08 |
| anteaya | ttx said he recommends we prepare for a cross project session | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | excellent | 18:08 |
| anteaya | so we have this etherpad to do that | 18:08 |
| anteaya | so first we need items identified | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | I have a few, I'll add | 18:09 |
| anteaya | at the top of the etherpad I have a format sample | 18:09 |
| anteaya | include your name and your irc nick | 18:09 |
| anteaya | topics without a name and irc nick will not get as much attention as those with that information | 18:09 |
| anteaya | be sure to include yours and tell others | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | as a group over the next few weeks we can identify items and priortize them | 18:10 |
| anteaya | not all items will have time to be discussed | 18:10 |
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| krtaylor | I also did this for Atlanta | 18:10 |
| daya_k | anteaya, is it ok to add items even if i am not planning on attending the summit? | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | do we have a slot? | 18:10 |
| anteaya | so we have to work together so those items that affect the most folks are idenfied and priortized | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | daya_k: that will be tough | 18:10 |
| daya_k | ok | 18:11 |
| anteaya | daya_k: someone will have to be attending summit to share why this is important | 18:11 |
| anteaya | daya_k: at this point write them down, others may agree they are important | 18:11 |
| daya_k | ok, will find out if someone can follow up and add | 18:11 |
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| daya_k | ok | 18:11 |
| anteaya | and they may be able to share that perspective at summit | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | does this get prioritized in with Infra design slots? t he time will be limited for sure | 18:11 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: we have no slot yet | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: but we have been guided to prepare for a slot | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | ok, understood | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | thats great | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: which is as close to saying we are going to get a slot as anybody will get at this point | 18:12 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: so we have the most we can possibly have and have to prepare accordingly | 18:12 |
| anteaya | any other questions? | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | Thanks for that announcement anteaya | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | okay this will become a regular agenda item until summit | 18:13 |
| anteaya | so participate regularly | 18:13 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:13 |
| anteaya | I'm done | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | agreed, I'll leave in on next weeks agenda too | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | another reminder, we have 2 open third-party patches: | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | If everyone would join in on the review of these | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | and thanks to those who have already as well | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | and that is a good transition to the next item on the agenda, which is actually one of those patchsets | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | I'd like to bring up recheck in this meeting, so we will have discussed and agreed on a plan, then bring that to infra | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | put on the agenda for this weeks meeting | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | There are basically 2 sides 1) "recheck" comment restarts all tests, all systems, 1st and 3rd | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | 2) and what I proposed | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | which is based on the feedback from sdague's namespace idea | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | that is, recheck is the default behavior, but third-party systems could implement a "recheck <system-name>" | 18:19 |
| ociuhandu | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml#L19 | 18:19 |
| daya_k | so, does this overrule the system-name:recheck proposal ? | 18:20 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: according to the link above, recheck followed by anything will trigger any CI | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | this would be a proposal for third-party systems, that is what is done upstream | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | and would be optional for third-party, see the patch | 18:20 |
| ociuhandu | so we can not use “recheck hyper-v” or “recheck-hyper-v” for any third-party unless that line is being updated | 18:21 |
| ociuhandu | i used hyper-v as an example, since it’s our case | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | I see it as an optional mechanism for systems that want to be able to support individual rechecks | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, I don't follow | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, that is the upstream yaml | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, your system can change that | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | for upstream, everything after recheck is ignored | 18:23 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: yes, that line means that if I put in our CI “recheck XX” or “recheck-XX” as option for triggering our CI’s recheck, it will also trigger Jenkins | 18:23 |
| ociuhandu | which is not what we want, I think | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, is that a problem? | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | the general consensus in infra team is that it is not | 18:23 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: as long as we say that is an “individual recheck” it’s not what we want, no? | 18:23 |
| ociuhandu | as individual means not retriggering Jenkins as well | 18:24 |
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| ociuhandu | and also from time to time jenkins fails as well | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | ok, I am open to rewording | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | but it would trigger an individual system to recheck | 18:24 |
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| ociuhandu | so we’ll end up with developers annoyed that at first jenkins passed and later on, at some third-party recheck they got that CI to pass and jenkins to fail | 18:25 |
| ociuhandu | we’ve seen a few situations like this, especially when all systems are under load | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | the previous proposal brought this up, and transient failures have to be taken into account | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | thats what elastic recheck is for | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | well, helps with | 18:26 |
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| ociuhandu | so if we also take that into account, I’d go, for now, with something similar to wha daya_k mentioned | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | the concern was that rechecks would be done individually until all of them posted success | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | daya_k mentioned? | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | oh, I think you are referring to the namespace idea | 18:27 |
| ociuhandu | yes, but having the developer wait another round of jenkins check just because of a transient error that he did not hit initially would not make them happy, i think | 18:27 |
| ociuhandu | daya_k: so, does this overrule the system-name:recheck proposal ? | 18:27 |
| daya_k | systemname:recheck | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | that was from sdague 's proposal | 18:28 |
| ociuhandu | daya_k: just copy-pasted your mention, was not suposed to be a question :) | 18:28 |
| daya_k | sure, nw | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, but, it would help make the tests better overall if it was identifying a transient failure, it is necessary evil for making everything better | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | developer pain vs overall good | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | keep in mind developers have very little tolerance for pain from third party | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, exactly but I think the issue mentioned here is the patchset contributor waiting for jenkins | 18:30 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: thank you :) | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, is that the concern? | 18:31 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: the issue: submit patchset, jenkins happy, one third party fails | 18:31 |
| dougwig__ | To me, this isn't a question of if there will be a unique trigger. simply whether or not it's syntax is standardized. if you know enough to setup one of these systems, it'll have a unique trigger. | 18:31 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: issue recheck CI -> means CI and Jenkins run again | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | waiting on jenkins cannot and shouldn't be avoided, is what I am asserting | 18:31 |
| ociuhandu | if “lucky” this time Ci says OK and Jenkins fails | 18:32 |
| ociuhandu | for sure developer will get mad here | 18:32 |
| ociuhandu | as he already had the OK from jenkins on first run | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | but if jenkins fails, then there is another problem that existed before this patchset | 18:32 |
| anteaya | the other option is that operators should be evaluating their test results | 18:32 |
| ociuhandu | and lost that while trying to do a third-party recheck | 18:32 |
| anteaya | if there was a failure due to a failing system, the operator can comment on the patch as a reviewer | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | dougwig__, I think the syntax has solved itself, most CI systems already support some form of "recheck <system-name>" | 18:33 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: we’ve seen so many fails in jenkins due to transient errors that had nothign to do with the patches that I would not say it’s easy to ignore this situation | 18:33 |
| anteaya | so the developers can take the reviewers comments into account in their susequent decisions | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, agreed, a good approach | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, and the developer should be willing to see that the transient problem gets identified | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, take the view of the project as a whole, not an individual developer | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, identifying a transient problem is good! | 18:36 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: if the developer would not have to wait for a few hours on one patchset run for results, yes, i totally agree | 18:36 |
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| ociuhandu | krtaylor: sorry for the underline, don’t know how that managed to get in | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, this process is amazingly fast compared to the many other opensource projects I have been involved with | 18:37 |
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| daya_k | what happens if 2 CI systems fail, then the dev has to issue 2 recheck:system name comments, and trigger jenkins twice unnecessarily | 18:37 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: just to clear this up, I’m not one of the developers, so I am not talking from my developer’s point of view, just based on feedback i got from multiple developers | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, maybe, if this became too painful, then "recheck <bug>" could be put back in place | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | it was removed a while back | 18:38 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: yes, we are aware of that :) | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | actually, not sure how transient failures are identified then, do you now? | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | I guess it relies on elastic recheck | 18:39 |
| daya_k | also, if the 3rd party ci system was down, dev may not have to make any changes, but just trigger the 3rd party ci itself to get its vote, so, overall, i think this mechanism should only trigger 3rd party ci | 18:39 |
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| ociuhandu | krtaylor: yes, they use elastic recheck to automatically parse the results for identifying that | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, thats what I figured, good to know | 18:40 |
| ociuhandu | krtaylor: one more point here: when the jenkins queue is hours long, would it benefit anyone to add more unnecessary workload for these rechecks? | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, all I have control over in this proposal is third-party, infra already spoke on jenkins rechecks | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | that is really an issure to take to infra team | 18:41 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: elastic recheck yes | 18:41 |
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| krtaylor | ociuhandu, I completely agree, but it was not a concern in all the comments | 18:41 |
| anteaya | the bug <bug-number> was removed since the bug number wasn't tracked that way anymore | 18:42 |
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| ociuhandu | krtaylor: let’s try to find then an alternate, so we can still offer individual third-party checks without triggering jenkins | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | and "recheck <jenkins>" didn't pass either | 18:42 |
| ociuhandu | our current approach was to use “check” instead of “recheck” | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | I personally like "recheck <jenkins>" | 18:42 |
| ociuhandu | i.e. “check <ci-name>” | 18:43 |
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| krtaylor | oops, I mean "recheck jenkins" | 18:43 |
| anteaya | is there anything stopping an operator from manually triggering their system to run and then them manually reporting success on a patch as a developer? | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, no, but it would be outside of gerrit | 18:43 |
| daya_k | how would they use zuul to do the merge / | 18:44 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: and that would not update the CI recorded result | 18:44 |
| * krtaylor ponders that for a moment | 18:44 | |
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| anteaya | the test results wouldn't report back but the operator could report in gerrit on the patch as a reviewer | 18:44 |
| anteaya | re-ran the system the tests pass, sorry for the trouble | 18:44 |
| anteaya | or re-ran the system, same failure, your patch might be triggering something let me take a deeeper look | 18:45 |
| anteaya | daya_k: I don't understand your question | 18:45 |
| anteaya | merging is independent of third party ci results | 18:45 |
| daya_k | that would need a cherry pick of the patch and manual merge, so if zuul is using your system to run other patches, you would need to figure out how to share the system with zuul | 18:46 |
| anteaya | that was my question | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | is it possible for an operator to manually trigger a set of tests on a patch | 18:46 |
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| krtaylor | daya_k, I think anteaya is saying everything, including the comment, would be manual | 18:47 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:47 |
| asselin | hi, part of the issue is now 3rd party ci stats are shown in a awesome table. manual rechecks would not affect that table. | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | correct, they would show up as an awesome comment from an attentive developer | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, here here! | 18:48 |
| daya_k | correct, thats what i was referring to, that you would need to fight for the same resources as zuul, and if its running continuosly, i dont know how you would be able to use the same system to merge the patch and report. you would need to stop zuul right? | 18:48 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: following on your suggestion, I think it would be difficult to keep track on who’s commenting as reviewer instead of which CI | 18:48 |
| anteaya | what happens if you include that in the comment | 18:49 |
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| ociuhandu | I mean how will the core reviewers check that this is the person is the one that should be? and moreover, if there’s a team, the whole list of members that could? | 18:49 |
| anteaya | vote and then say Hi operator of MY CI system here, my latest tests are showing up as failing and I reran the tests manually and these are my results. | 18:49 |
| anteaya | if the person doesn't identify which ci system they are operating then yes, this would be a problem | 18:50 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: isn’t it still easier to ensure the trigger for a single third-party CI than all these updates? | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | but I do hope that the operator that is attentive enough to care enough to do this would add that info in their comment | 18:51 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: it doesn't seem to be | 18:51 |
| anteaya | we have spent this entire release discussing this issue | 18:51 |
| anteaya | plus the majority of time of this meeting | 18:51 |
| krtaylor | ok, I hate to shut this down, but in the interest of time, lets get through the rest of the agenda and we can resume this discussion in open topics section | 18:52 |
| anteaya | I dont feel consensous | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | no, not close, it needs to be broken down | 18:52 |
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| krtaylor | and points agreed to or not | 18:52 |
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| krtaylor | we need to table this for a moment | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | quickly | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | there were none on the agenda and I refreshed :) | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | any? | 18:53 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | ok, next | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | also none on the agenda, any? | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | ok then | 18:54 |
| daya_k | anteaya: should i bring our ibm sdn-ve system on the infra list? its disabled, i had sent a note indicating i have changed the logging syntax | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:54 |
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| daya_k | sorry, hit send too soon | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | daya_k: bring it to the -announce list, if that was where the disabled announcement happened | 18:54 |
| anteaya | daya_k: have you already and I haven't replied? | 18:55 |
| daya_k | anteaya: i did, didnt get a response | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | daya_k: thanks for the reminder I will look again | 18:55 |
| daya_k | ok, thanks. | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | so, I'd encourage everyone to comment on the recheck proposal for third-party, I think we are in agreement on that | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | the problem seems to be on waiting on jenkins | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | for the recheck that happens everytime | 18:56 |
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| krtaylor | and, I'll try to summarize this and bring it to the Infra IRC meeting for this week | 18:57 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, your recap would be appreciated there too | 18:57 |
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| krtaylor | any other topics quickly, 2+ minutes | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | sure | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | I plan on attending tomorrow's infra meeting | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | ociuhandu, asselin, daya_k - thanks for the great discussion on recheck! (and anyone else I missed) | 18:58 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, I'll add it to the agenda | 18:58 |
| daya_k | thanks krtaylor | 18:58 |
| anteaya | kk | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well if there is nothing else, I'll close for this week | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, another extremely useful meeting | 18:59 |
| anteaya | thanks for a great meeting krtaylor | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 19:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-15-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-15-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-15-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| ociuhandu | thanks all | 19:00 |
| ociuhandu | bye | 19:00 |
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| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | who's here for the Ironic meeting? | 19:00 |
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| lucasagomes | me | 19:01 |
| rloo | moi | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 19:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| Shrews | \o | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 19:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | As usual - our agenda can be found here: | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
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| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| wanyen | hi | 19:02 |
| devananda | a few quick reminders for folks, mostly about the release schedule | 19:02 |
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| devananda | we are in feature freeze right now, which also means string and dependency freezes | 19:02 |
| devananda | also, the UEFI work landed on time -- that was our only feature freeze exception | 19:02 |
| devananda | good job on that :) | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | nice | 19:03 |
| jroll | \o | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:03 |
| Shrews | devananda: just for clarity, can you define "string freeze" for me? | 19:03 |
| devananda | Shrews: changes in translated strings (exception and log messages) should be avoided | 19:03 |
| * NobodyCam would assume anything translated | 19:03 | |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 19:03 |
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| Shrews | devananda: ok, that's what i assumed, but wanted to be sure | 19:03 |
| rloo | does it really matter for us, since they aren't translating anything for ironic anyway? | 19:04 |
| devananda | rloo: but they are | 19:04 |
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| rloo | really? cool! | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | I've seen translation patches | 19:04 |
| Shrews | devananda: by that wiki, we can change _existing_ strings, but not add _new_ ones? | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/ironic/ :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | IIRC, there were two >50% translated languages in Icehouse | 19:04 |
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| devananda | Shrews: correct. but we should try to minimize those changes too | 19:04 |
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| Shrews | gotcha | 19:04 |
| devananda | also | 19:05 |
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| devananda | tomorrow is the second half of our graduation review | 19:05 |
| devananda | there were only two (minor) objections last week, both of which have been (IMO) addressed | 19:05 |
| * NobodyCam will be in tc meeting | 19:05 | |
| wanyen | fyi- the ironic dib chagnes to support ilo virtual media driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114124/ landed in tripleo | 19:05 |
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| devananda | wanyen: thanks, but please save that for later in the meeting | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | is the wiki for migration finished? (/me will take a look) | 19:06 |
| devananda | that's it for my announcemetns. NobodyCam - anything from you? | 19:06 |
| adam_g | devananda, i was going to polish off the migration docs today. should those be proposed to the ironic docs or is a pad/wiki good enough? | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/NovaBaremetalIronicMigration | 19:06 |
| devananda | adam_g, lucasagomes: I'm currently assuming wiki is good enough until someone tells me otherwise | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | just maybe to get more eyes on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/NovaBaremetalIronicMigration | 19:06 |
| adam_g | oh! i didnt realize that was already there | 19:07 |
| adam_g | cool | 19:07 |
| devananda | adam_g: there is a patch from jroll to fix the bug you hit in the migration of a live instance | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | also thank you to all who have helped on that doc | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it looks good, I haven't seem it in a while | 19:07 |
| rloo | devananda: what were the two minor objections by TC last week? | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | last time wasn't that complete | 19:07 |
| jroll | adam_g: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121615/ | 19:07 |
| devananda | rloo: api proxy in nova (NobodyCam wrote it, it is merged) and migration docs (wiki above) | 19:07 |
| rloo | thx devananda | 19:07 |
| adam_g | nice. the migration tool needs to be fixed as well, to properly populate the node instance_info | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | thank you to lucasagomes for the tests on the proxy patch | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yvw :) | 19:08 |
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| devananda | #info Last week, the TC raised two minor objections to our graduation: an API proxy in Nova (now merged) and migration docs (now written at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/NovaBaremetalIronicMigration ) | 19:08 |
| devananda | #info Final graduation review for Ironic in Juno is tomorrow | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | oh would this be a good place to bring up the fact that we broke tripleo last week? | 19:08 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: if there should be a discussion about that, perhaps save it for a bit later | 19:09 |
| jroll | adam_g: there's also this fix, jfyi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121651/ | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:09 |
| devananda | #topic Juno RC progress | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC progress (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:09 | |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 19:09 |
| adam_g | jroll, thanks | 19:09 |
| devananda | we've got the one BP done, but there are still >15 bugs we've targeted to RC1 | 19:10 |
| dtantsur | 18 IIRC :) | 19:10 |
| devananda | that should be the area of our focus in the next few weeks | 19:10 |
| devananda | I'd like to take a few minutes in each weekly meeting to open the door | 19:10 |
| devananda | for folks to call out bugs they think need extra attention | 19:10 |
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| devananda | of course, we should be doing that during the week too :) | 19:11 |
| rloo | devananda: RC1 is Sept 25 (next THurs) | 19:11 |
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| devananda | rloo: right. not next few weeks. next 10 days | 19:11 |
| devananda | #info RC1 is targeted to Sept 25 -- 10 days from now | 19:11 |
| devananda | (thanks ...) | 19:12 |
| wanyen | deva, when is document due? due at RC1? | 19:12 |
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| devananda | #info Juno release is targeted to Oct 16 | 19:13 |
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| devananda | wanyen: the sooner the better. Please don't leave it until Oct 16 | 19:13 |
| wanyen | deva, sure. | 19:13 |
| devananda | anyhow, I see a lot of bugs in progress | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh so no need to bug folks about bugs | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | (yet) | 19:14 |
| devananda | would folks prefer to walk through them now, or have a less formal meeting for that, say, on wednesday? | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | lol :-p | 19:14 |
| rloo | on Wed | 19:15 |
| jroll | let's have a bug day later | 19:15 |
| jroll | I won't be here wed though :( | 19:15 |
| devananda | maybe do a bug-squash-day on wed and fri, until we are comfortable with the release quality? | 19:15 |
| dtantsur | I'm busy on Wed | 19:15 |
| JayF | Nor will I | 19:15 |
| devananda | ok - what's a better day :) | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | right, but can we make it a bit earlier than this meeting? | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I would wed. so folks have to prep / finsh up | 19:15 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:15 |
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| JayF | My requirement is pretty much not Weds or Fri if you want me there :) | 19:15 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i think we've usually done it around 8am PST | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah, that's a good time | 19:16 |
| dtantsur | For me Thu-Fri and yes, actually earlier | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | so, I'm in :) | 19:16 |
| devananda | JayF: heh. ok. fwiw, friday is unofficial openstack bug day (in general, not just during RC) | 19:16 |
| devananda | cool | 19:16 |
| Shrews | is that "create new bug day", or "squash existing bugs day" :) | 19:16 |
| devananda | #info we're going to have volunteer bug squash days thu & fri at 8am PST this week | 19:17 |
| devananda | Shrews: depends. probably both :) | 19:17 |
| devananda | any one else want to call out any bugs in particular? dtantsur - if you want to give your report on bug stats, I know it's out of order, but might as well give it now | 19:17 |
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| dtantsur | right | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | Open: 111 (-22). 6 new (-3), 36 in progress (-8), 1 critical (+1), 11 high (-3) and 5 incomplete (+1); juno-rc1: 18 (+3) | 19:18 |
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| dtantsur | we're better now, once some bugs moved to Nova | 19:18 |
| devananda | Open -22 --- awesome! | 19:18 |
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| dtantsur | (also fixed a lot) | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | great | 19:18 |
| rloo | and how/should we track ironic-bugs-in-nova? | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | but 18 for rc1 is a lot too (growed +3) | 19:18 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, tag 'ironic' | 19:18 |
| Shrews | devananda: i think we're going to need to start paying more attention to the hash ring bugs greghaynes is working on. we'll need to test that stuff pretty well, IMO | 19:18 |
| devananda | Shrews: ++ | 19:19 |
| rloo | Shrews: ++ | 19:19 |
| devananda | Shrews: at this point, it looks like a major functional change though | 19:19 |
| Shrews | devananda: yeah, that was my next question | 19:19 |
| devananda | Shrews: so I think we need a discussion on whether it's too big for this late in the cycle | 19:19 |
| Shrews | devananda: i think so | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 19:19 |
| Shrews | but, can discuss later | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it seems to be quite big/hard to test | 19:19 |
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| lucasagomes | Shrews, +1 to discuss later | 19:20 |
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| rloo | later == when? | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | paris? | 19:20 |
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| devananda | Shrews: if you have a grasp on the issue, can you raise it on the ML? I don't see greghanes here, or I'd ask him to weigh in | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | open topic :) | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | idk | 19:20 |
| dtantsur | paris sounds like a good time :D | 19:20 |
| rloo | so no fix in juno | 19:21 |
| devananda | aiui, the problem -might- be big enough to warrant fixing now | 19:21 |
| devananda | but I haven't dug in yet | 19:21 |
| Shrews | devananda: i've been following one of his changes, but haven't looked at the second (or lifeless's change yet) | 19:21 |
| Shrews | devananda: i'll catch up and start something though | 19:21 |
| devananda | JayF: jroll: have ya'll been following the hash ring bug thread? | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: I think time is to short and change is to big for J | 19:21 |
| JayF | devananda: honestly; no | 19:21 |
| jroll | devananda: a bit, yeah | 19:21 |
| devananda | are you affected by it // do you care about the fix? | 19:21 |
| rloo | is ironic 'usable' w/o the change? rackspace knows? | 19:22 |
| devananda | rloo: well. they are the only ones publicly discussing their in-production ironic service afaik | 19:22 |
| jroll | devananda: we're affected less by hash ring rebalances, as the agent driver doesn't have any local state on the conductor | 19:22 |
| devananda | jroll: ack. that's what I figured | 19:22 |
| jroll | devananda: we do care about the fix from a "we are nerds interested in distributed systems" standpoint, but that might be it | 19:23 |
| devananda | #info hash ring bug needs further discussion. May be a serious issue for PXE driver, but doesn't really affect IPA. | 19:23 |
| devananda | thanks, all. going to move on so we have time for everything | 19:24 |
| devananda | #topic Kilo summit planning | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo summit planning (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:24 | |
| devananda | so, a few things here | 19:24 |
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| devananda | first, assuming Ironic graduates, it'll get in the main track, and we can all enjoy the cross project track on the first day | 19:24 |
| devananda | (that's still an assumption at this point) | 19:24 |
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| devananda | second, the neat website we've used in the past is -not- being used for planning purposes this time | 19:25 |
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| devananda | all projects are using etherpads, google docs, or carrier pidgeons for session planning | 19:25 |
| devananda | I set this up last week -- should be open to everyone to edit | 19:25 |
| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XBKdeDeGfaRYaThjIIoYRwe_zPensECnxsKUuqdoVmQ/edit#gid=0 | 19:25 |
| devananda | let's start throwing ideas up there now | 19:25 |
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| devananda | and we'll discuss as Paris approaches | 19:25 |
| devananda | (by "now" i mean over the next month -- not this very minute) | 19:26 |
| * jroll watches everyone edit at once | 19:26 | |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | nice :) | 19:26 |
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| devananda | I also want to ask, if anyone has a strong objection to this format and would prefer etherpad (or carrier pidgeon) | 19:26 |
| devananda | please speak up now | 19:26 |
| devananda | before we get a lot of info in the gdoc | 19:26 |
| * NobodyCam votes gdoc!!! | 19:26 | |
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| jroll | I like the spreadsheet | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | pidgeon sounds fine! | 19:27 |
| jroll | but pigeons are also fine with m | 19:27 |
| jroll | e | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | I don't mind the spreadsheet | 19:27 |
| * NobodyCam has tooo many ehter pads open | 19:27 | |
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| rloo | what is the Spec? column for? link to spec? | 19:27 |
| devananda | rloo: yes, if there is one | 19:27 |
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| rloo | have we opened specs for kilo yet? | 19:28 |
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| devananda | rloo: that was a feature on the old planning site -- you could link to specs or BPs in the proposal | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | have we opened the "K" directory in the spec repo yet? | 19:28 |
| devananda | rloo: no :) but that hasn't stopped folks from proposing them anyway | 19:28 |
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| rloo | ha ha | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | btw specs for K needs to adhere to the new format write? | 19:28 |
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| lucasagomes | we maybe need to make it more clear/update our wiki about it | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | write/right* | 19:28 |
| JayF | I'd be very +1 to opening the kilo/ folder for ironic-specs, even if that means the specs proposed have to be rebased onto another template or can't be approved until officially opens | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:28 |
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| jroll | heh | 19:29 |
| devananda | JayF: I would rather not open it until, at the earliest, Sept 25 (when RC1 is tagged) | 19:29 |
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| jroll | devananda, JayF, I think things are fine as is, folks can rebase as needed if we reopen | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | who if anyone is going to port any J specs to K ? is that even a thing to be concerned about? | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | spec's that did not land | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: none of us should do that | 19:31 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: the spec's author should rebase and repropose it -- this is also a way for us to see if they're still interested/committed to doing the work | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | so the spec review team should only look at k folder (once it opens) | 19:32 |
| devananda | we should, after RC, open the Kilo folder and publish some guidelines (link to new spec format, etc) | 19:32 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yep | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ack ... TY | 19:32 |
| devananda | more questions on Kilo design summit today? (I'm sure we'll come back to it in two weeks) | 19:33 |
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| JayF | We have 4 design sessions, right? | 19:33 |
| devananda | also - if any ATC did not get their access code, please ping me privately | 19:33 |
| devananda | JayF: don't know yet. that depends on if ironic graduate | 19:33 |
| jroll | JayF: I think it's unknown at this time | 19:33 |
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| lucasagomes | tomorrow is the day! | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | if we do not graduate we get two? | 19:34 |
| devananda | oh - so, we will have a pod for Ironic all week | 19:34 |
| devananda | we may only get a few "full" sessions | 19:34 |
| devananda | but we can have our own unconference style thing | 19:34 |
| devananda | use the google doc to organize | 19:34 |
| devananda | or what ever | 19:34 |
| devananda | that's up to us -- it just won't be in the published schedule | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | does the Ironic pod need to be man'd as a "both" would be | 19:35 |
| devananda | also - that's how all the projects are being run this time | 19:35 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no. it's in the developer area, not public hall | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:35 |
| devananda | it should probably have a sign and a schedule posted, or something | 19:35 |
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| devananda | ok - moving on :) | 19:35 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status report - testing and CI | 19:35 |
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| devananda | adam_g: hi! | 19:36 |
| adam_g | hey! | 19:36 |
| devananda | you've done all the things! it's amazing! :) | 19:36 |
| adam_g | not too much to report from last time. still waiting on getting all the grenade testing in place in our gate, a couple pending infra reviews still @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_infra,n,z | 19:36 |
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| devananda | I dont see a grenade test in that list? | 19:36 |
| adam_g | devananda, there is already a check-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways, but it requires some of those changes in that topic to get it passing | 19:37 |
| devananda | ahh ok | 19:37 |
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| adam_g | thats about it from me, not sure if others have more to report on the CI front | 19:38 |
| devananda | cool. nothing more from me | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | thank you adam_g :) great work! | 19:39 |
| devananda | i could say "thanks" several more times, though :) | 19:39 |
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| adam_g | np :) | 19:39 |
| devananda | #topic oslo | 19:39 |
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| devananda | GheRivero: hi! around? | 19:39 |
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| GheRivero | just arrived, just caching up with everything | 19:40 |
| GheRivero | so no news from my side | 19:40 |
| devananda | ok, np. I'll summarize what I know of oslo status real quick, then | 19:40 |
| devananda | I'm not expecting any big changse from oslo, aside from their publishing of Juno final versions of most of the libraries | 19:40 |
| devananda | which should be this thursday, IIRC | 19:41 |
| devananda | so we'll probably see one large patch to openstack-requirements from the bot | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | I expect all of those to be re-versioned releases of things we have already released by thursday, fwiw | 19:41 |
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| devananda | should be trivial to land :) | 19:42 |
| devananda | #topic drivers | 19:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "drivers (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:42 | |
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| devananda | jroll, linggao, wanyen - anything to report on your various drivers? | 19:42 |
| jroll | hi! | 19:42 |
| * devananda notes that linggao isn't here | 19:42 | |
| JayF | Would this be a good time to talk about IPA releasing/versioning for Juno? | 19:42 |
| jroll | I have a few quick things | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, +1 I think so | 19:43 |
| devananda | JayF: sure! | 19:43 |
| jroll | JayF: I think so, let me quickly status update | 19:43 |
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| jroll | as usual, our semi-current status is always here: | 19:43 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:43 |
| jroll | currently working on getting CI running, the patches are listed in that etherpad | 19:43 |
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| jroll | we're also working on a lot of documentation-type things, JayF and I started writing docstrings for everything, there's a few patches up, would love for some folks that don't typically work on IPA to review them :) | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | I heard that we have our first thrid party CI up? | 19:45 |
| jroll | we do! that's for ipminative | 19:45 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yep! check-ironic-xcat-third-party | 19:45 |
| jroll | JayF: want to lead on the release/versioning stuff? | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | awesome!!! | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | nice, ibm is behind that right? | 19:45 |
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| JayF | So with regards to IPA, we've had some informal discussions about how IPA should be released for Juno | 19:46 |
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| devananda | yes - linggao is coordinating it, iirc | 19:46 |
| JayF | when we originally added the project; it was going to be SEMVER similar to clients | 19:46 |
| JayF | I wonder if that's the better approach vs blessing a release for Juno | 19:46 |
| JayF | I don't know the right answer, and I'm not even sure I have good ideas | 19:46 |
| JayF | So anyone willing to share their ideas, please do | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I like cutting a version for it. But how we are doing it pip? | 19:47 |
| devananda | the mechanics of getting something into pip or into the release aren't that complex -- i can walk (someone) through that | 19:47 |
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| devananda | but I think there are some important technical questions about which way it *should* be released | 19:48 |
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| devananda | if IPA is treated like a client lib, | 19:48 |
| JayF | Yeah, I'm more concerned about how we should do it than the mechanics of doing whatever we decide | 19:48 |
| devananda | - it is free to release often, on its own cadence | 19:48 |
| JayF | I can figure out how to do anything that's been done before, and maybe even some new stuff soon :) | 19:48 |
| devananda | - it can get an entry in global-requrieemnts, and Ironic can depend on a specific version of it (from pip or from packages) | 19:48 |
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| devananda | - downstream packagers (eg, deb & fedora) can pin it in their distros, too | 19:49 |
| devananda | and can release updates as needed | 19:49 |
| devananda | if on the other hand, IPA is treated like a project | 19:49 |
| devananda | - it only gets released once every six months | 19:49 |
| JayF | devananda: well, like I was saying earlier in IRC: IPA seems almost like something that a 'release' should be built images, not source | 19:49 |
| JayF | devananda: similar to how ipxe and syslinux package images in distros | 19:49 |
| JayF | but I don't think Openstack has something that models that way currently | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | fyi: ten minutes to go | 19:50 |
| devananda | - the dependency between it and Ironic is a bit harder to enforce and test, since there are no packaged versions of it between releases | 19:50 |
| jroll | JayF: the reason I disagree with releasing images, is then they are not customizable, which is almost a necessity | 19:50 |
| devananda | JayF: I don't hear you saying that rackspace wants to start releasing and maintaining images of CoresOS + IPA | 19:51 |
| JayF | if custom images are something someone wants/needs, I don't see the harm in having them pull it from git | 19:51 |
| devananda | JayF: also, OpenStack is not in that business either | 19:51 |
| JayF | devananda: We already tried; we were told to do it first-party in a post job that uploads to tarballs.openstack, which is what we're doing | 19:51 |
| jroll | I don't think standard releases are very useful except for testing, but that might just be me | 19:52 |
| devananda | JayF: yes. that is a tarball of the current build, useful by our CI systems | 19:52 |
| jroll | and that may be me thinking ahead to more advanced features that we're using, current upstream might be useful | 19:52 |
| devananda | JayF: to ensure that TIP of one project works with TIP of another | 19:52 |
| devananda | there's no releasing, no versioning, no packaging there | 19:52 |
| devananda | JayF: for example, two weeks after Kilo opens, how will you answer the request from a user who instaled Juno from deb packages | 19:53 |
| devananda | who wants to download a build of IPA compatible with that | 19:53 |
| devananda | ? | 19:53 |
| jroll | I'm inclined to think we should release as a client, after hearing this stuff | 19:53 |
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| jroll | though I don't think distros should package it | 19:53 |
| JayF | IPA should be compatible with any ironic, if it isn't we didn't version well, similar to how we do with the clients | 19:53 |
| JayF | but I'm not sure we're good enough to do that ^ yet | 19:53 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 19:53 |
| JayF | jroll probably has the most reasonable solution | 19:53 |
| jroll | I think we are good enough to do that yet, but pinning a version can't hurt | 19:54 |
| devananda | jroll: as I see it, that would mean someone who is using their distro's Juno Ironic would also install IPA from their distro (who presumably used the versionthat we pinned in the release of Juno) to build their images | 19:54 |
| jroll | hrm, I don't think that's a good way to build images :| | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | 5 minutes | 19:55 |
| devananda | I can help point ya'll at the process to make ^ happen -- basically means setting up a thing in pypi and a job in infra | 19:55 |
| jroll | are you saying they should e.g. cp /usr/local/bin/ironic-python-agent /my/fancy/image/filesystem | 19:55 |
| jroll | sounds... wrong | 19:55 |
| jroll | btu that might just be me, dunno | 19:55 |
| devananda | no | 19:55 |
| jroll | we can talk about specifics later | 19:55 |
| devananda | ok, we can continue this after the meeting | 19:55 |
| devananda | :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | #topic outstanding items for graduation | 19:56 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: I think you posted this? afaik, we've already covered it -- and we should be good | 19:56 |
| JayF | I think we'll want some wiki docs about how we expect people to use the pypi release to build their images | 19:56 |
| * NobodyCam updated the proxy line item color to blue | 19:56 | |
| lucasagomes | devananda, oh yeah we talked about it in the channel | 19:56 |
| jroll | JayF: indeed | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | and here | 19:56 |
| devananda | cool, skipping it | 19:56 |
| devananda | #topic Open Discussion | 19:56 |
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| devananda | 3 minutes! go :) | 19:56 |
| * jroll runs around waving his hands wildly | 19:57 | |
| lucasagomes | devananda, can we make the ironic tempest jobs voting in Nova? | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | since now the driver is merged there | 19:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: only when ironic graduates | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | ust a quick note we broke tripleo last week with a minor change to the virsh ssh commands. was fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120799 | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | hmm | 19:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: also there's a much longer conversation happening on the ML and amongst the TC about that sort of thing | 19:57 |
| devananda | which I wont attempt to summarize now | 19:57 |
| rloo | devananda: when were you going to do another CLI release? | 19:58 |
| devananda | read the many threads on "future of the integrated release", "splitting out Nova", and so on ... and expect details in Paris | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, it's not the discussion about splitting the drivers out of the tree is it? | 19:58 |
| * NobodyCam crys after all that work done to land our driver | 19:58 | |
| * lucasagomes needs to catch up with that thread | 19:58 | |
| devananda | rloo: probably tomorrow. definitely before thursday | 19:58 |
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| rloo | devananda: thx. I'd like a couple more changes in. | 19:58 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no no -- it's really good taht our driver landed. | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | is there anything we need for tomorrow in the last two minutes | 19:58 |
| devananda | rloo: ok, please highlight them in channel post meeting | 19:58 |
| rloo | devananda: will do | 19:59 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: not that I know of. I think we're set for tomorrow | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | awesome work EVERYONE!!!!!! | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | and thats time | 20:00 |
| jroll | thanks everybdy :) | 20:00 |
| JayF | ty | 20:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting all TY | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 20:00 |
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| devananda | cheers, thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| wanyen | thanks | 20:00 |
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| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 20:00:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-15-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-15-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
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| mestery | OK, lets get started folks! | 21:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 21:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| mestery | Welcome back to our rotating meeting schedule, today at 2100 UTC :) | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| mestery | I'm hoping we can keep today's agenda at 30 minutes, so no pressure. ;) | 21:01 |
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| mestery | Given where we're at in the release, lets see if we can do it. | 21:01 |
| mestery | #Announcements | 21:01 |
| gus | (hi) | 21:01 |
| mestery | Juno-rc1 is out! | 21:01 |
| mestery | Well sorry | 21:02 |
| mestery | Not out, | 21:02 |
| mestery | I mean, we're at feature freeze | 21:02 |
| mestery | Which is less exciting I know | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 21:02 |
| mestery | We merged 10 of 11 BPs targeted there, so thanks to all the cores for help! | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Just a note for reviewers: We're at feature freeze now, as well as string and dependency freeze. | 21:02 |
| mestery | So be cautious while reviewing | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Any questions on the freeze in effect? | 21:02 |
| * salv-orlando does not remember what string freeze is? | 21:03 | |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | no more translated string changes | 21:03 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ^^^ | 21:03 |
| sc68cal | refresh my memory, does the freeze apply to bugs? | 21:03 |
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| salv-orlando | ah right the thing for giving i18n a chance to catch up | 21:03 |
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| enikanorov_ | is string freeze a some new requirement? | 21:03 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: We'll be more and more restrictive going forward on bugs, yes | 21:03 |
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| mestery | enikanorov_: Not new, it's been there for at least one release so far | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: if that was frozen too than it would have been release time | 21:04 |
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| * nati_ueno wondering minnesota get freezed | 21:04 | |
| sc68cal | ok, I'll wait for my section to discuss | 21:04 |
| armax | so in other words: replace all log statements to debug and you’ll get your change merged? | 21:04 |
| armax | :) | 21:04 |
| mestery | One other quick announcement here: Looks like a freenode server was compromised, would be a good idea to change your freenode password | 21:04 |
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| mestery | #link https://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/ | 21:04 |
| enikanorov_ | armax: ha | 21:04 |
| mestery | Any other announcements? | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| mestery | enikanorov_: Hi! | 21:05 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 21:05 |
| enikanorov_ | so last week the severety of two bugs were set to critical: | 21:05 |
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| enikanorov_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1357055 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357055 in nova "Race to delete shared subnet in Tempest neutron full jobs" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov_ | this is actually some VM having dangling port after a test, so tests resources can't get deleted | 21:06 |
| enikanorov_ | this issue is being hit quite often | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov_ | and another one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1357476 | 21:07 |
| armax | there was another alongs the same lines | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357476 in nova "Timeout waiting for vif plugging callback for instance" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
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| armax | the triaging I did revealed that was most likely a Nova issue | 21:07 |
| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: do you have any more info on the latter one? | 21:08 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: Thanks for sharing these, the first one has no one assigned. armax, do you ahve a link to the bug you triaged which looked similar? | 21:08 |
| armax | mestery: I am looking for it bear with me | 21:08 |
| mestery | Wondering if we could dupe them if they are the same | 21:08 |
| mestery | armax: thanks! | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: nope. I have not yet looked at it. The references devs for this kind of failures are arosen and dansmith | 21:09 |
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| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: good to know | 21:09 |
| enikanorov_ | another issue that i think worth fixing in rc is a bug with NoopFirewallDriver | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | they are the ‘owners’ of the vif plugging callbacks. However enikanorov_ bear in mind that this failure might also mean neutron fails to wire the VIF and then we have a regression in the OVS agent | 21:10 |
| enikanorov_ | let me find the link | 21:10 |
| armax | mestery: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1283599 | 21:10 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: IS this it? https://review.openstack.org/121645 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1283599 in tempest "TestNetworkBasicOps occasionally fails to delete resources" [Undecided,Invalid] | 21:10 |
| mestery | armax: thanks! | 21:10 |
| enikanorov_ | mestery: this one bug/1365806 | 21:11 |
| enikanorov_ | oops | 21:11 |
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| enikanorov_ | ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365806 | 21:11 |
| enikanorov_ | the patch I submitted fixes just a minor trace in the ovs agent logs | 21:11 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: Got it, thanks! | 21:11 |
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| enikanorov_ | i think bug/1365806 has another fix to a slightly different issue. | 21:12 |
| mestery | armax: Can you validate the bug you linked is a dup of what enikanorov_ posted above so we can get this into nova's hands for fixing if it is a nova issue? | 21:12 |
| armax | mestery: yup | 21:12 |
| armax | mestery: I’ll look into it | 21:12 |
| mestery | armax: thank you! | 21:12 |
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| mestery | enikanorov_: can you elaborate? | 21:12 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: around 1365806? | 21:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | mestery: yes, so one issue is that even in case of NoopDriver agent pulls sec groups which could be avoided | 21:13 |
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| mestery | enikanorov_: OK | 21:14 |
| enikanorov_ | on other bugs team is dealing with them on daily basis | 21:14 |
| enikanorov_ | that's all from my side | 21:14 |
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| mestery | enikanorov_: Thank you for the update on the bugs! | 21:15 |
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| mestery | #topic Final Juno Client Release | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final Juno Client Release (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:15 | |
| mestery | I'm planning to cut one more release of the client for Juno tomorrow. | 21:15 |
| mestery | I was waiting for the L3 HA CLI patch to merge, and it did: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108378/ | 21:15 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045487.html | 21:15 |
| mestery | Per the discussion on the mailing list, all clients will be cut by the 18th this week. | 21:16 |
| mestery | So if anyone has a client bug or patch, please speak up now! | 21:16 |
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| gus | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113727/ | 21:16 |
| * mestery looks | 21:16 | |
| gus | ^ minor, would be ok if not included. | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | gus: I can help review that one | 21:17 |
| mestery | gus: I think that one looks ok, will review post meeting unless other cores beat me to it | 21:17 |
| mestery | gus: thanks for bringing it up! | 21:17 |
| mestery | OK moving on from the client ... | 21:17 |
| mestery | #topic Kilo Design Summit Etherpad | 21:17 |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 21:17 |
| ZZelle_ | mestery, https://review.openstack.org/121014 also ... currently neutronclient uses invalid headers | 21:17 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:18 |
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| mestery | #undo | 21:18 |
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| mestery | ZZelle_: looking | 21:18 |
| mestery | ZZelle_: I think armax has previously reviewed that one, it would be good to get that one in too. | 21:18 |
| mestery | markmcclain: If you want another one to review ^^^ | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: I'll take a look | 21:19 |
| mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 21:19 |
| * mestery waits a minute for other client bugs to pop up | 21:19 | |
| mestery | #topic Kilo Design Summit Etherpad | 21:19 |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 21:20 |
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| mestery | Per that email, we are moving away from the submission tool | 21:20 |
| mestery | towards collaborate etheprads for summit planning | 21:20 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 21:20 |
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| mestery | That one is the neutron deisng summit pad | 21:20 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 21:20 |
| mestery | That one is for all projects collected together | 21:20 |
| mestery | So, if you ahve a summit idea, please propose it on the etherpad | 21:20 |
| mestery | And we'll work to setup the summit sessions. | 21:21 |
| * mestery waits for it ... | 21:21 | |
| Sukhdev | mestery: I added one item to the etherpad | 21:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: thanks, excellent! | 21:21 |
| anteaya | let's have a reminder to folks to use the feature in the top right corner and enter your name, thank you | 21:22 |
| mestery | anteaya: That's a very good point! | 21:22 |
| mestery | Also, keep in mind we will only have 2 days for design summit talks this time. | 21:22 |
| mestery | One half day less | 21:22 |
| mestery | So, we have to focus on things which are important for the broader community and which need face to face time for discussions | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: it’s a good thing all of these seem like easy short topics ;-) | 21:22 |
| emagana | mestery: Should we add our name in front of the proposed sessions? | 21:22 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ha! | 21:22 |
| mestery | emagana: That's fine for now, if you add something, please feel free to add yoru name | 21:23 |
| emagana | mestery: or just the name of the session! | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | was ever any decision regarding sessione lenght taken? | 21:23 |
| emagana | mestery: got it! | 21:23 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, we are free to have thigns overflow the 40 minute slot | 21:23 |
| mestery | Basically, we get to plan things how we want them as a community | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: very well. | 21:23 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Sound ok? | 21:23 |
| banix | why just two days in a 5-day conference… Seems too short | 21:24 |
| mestery | banix: One day is cross-project, and Friday is reserved as well for smaller gatherings and discussions. | 21:24 |
| mestery | banix: Plus, we have more projects now which require space | 21:24 |
| mestery | And the Paris location is smaller than Atlanta | 21:24 |
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| mestery | So, less space as well | 21:24 |
| * salv-orlando reminds himself that the summit is for beers first | 21:25 | |
| salv-orlando | well, it’s going to be wine this time | 21:25 |
| * mestery isn't sure what salv-orlando has against hard liquor ... | 21:25 | |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: :P | 21:25 |
| banix | mestery: ok thanks. | 21:25 |
| mestery | banix: Sure! | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | banix: also consider 6 mos is a really short span… when we had more times often we discussed things that ended up being 3+ cycles later before we impl | 21:25 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 21:25 |
| banix | i see | 21:26 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Do we know which days is design summit? | 21:26 |
| anteaya | the last 4 | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: that’s correct. Indeed I’d rather spend all our summit time on 5/6 sticky items we must immediately address rahter than discussion forward looking ideas which are best fleshed out on the ml first | 21:26 |
| mestery | anteaya: thanks | 21:26 |
| anteaya | tuesday to friday | 21:26 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: I ment for Neutron design sessions? | 21:27 |
| anteaya | tues is cross project, wed and thurs design sesseions per program friday pods | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:27 |
| anteaya | wed and thurs | 21:27 |
| mestery | #info Neutron sessions will be on Wednesday and Thursday | 21:27 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: thanks | 21:27 |
| anteaya | np | 21:27 |
| mestery | #info Cross-project track is Tuesday | 21:27 |
| mestery | #info Friday is for program pods | 21:27 |
| mestery | anteaya: thanks for the info! | 21:27 |
| anteaya | np | 21:27 |
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| mestery | Any other questions on how we'll plan the design summit this time? | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: agreed… I think focus will help us for planning | 21:28 |
| banix | salv-orlando: yes, makes sense. then we have to be very selective in picking the sessions topics. | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yes can we throw shoes to everybody thinks a summit session is a talk? | 21:28 |
| anteaya | folks know about the third party cross project etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items ? | 21:28 |
| marun_afk | salv-orlando: only shoes? | 21:28 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Absolutely! In fact though, hopefully this community planning will relieve us from those. | 21:29 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-third-party-items | 21:29 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: Thanks for sharing | 21:29 |
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| anteaya | np | 21:29 |
| mestery | OK, moving on ... | 21:30 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:30 |
| anteaya | items there will be discussed at the third party meetings | 21:30 |
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| mestery | emagana: Hi! | 21:30 |
| emagana | mestery: here! | 21:30 |
| mestery | emagana: We've reached the point of the release where we all need to help with docs. :) | 21:30 |
| emagana | mestery: Just updated the wiki.. in order to keep this meeting short | 21:30 |
| mestery | emagana: that's awesome on both fronts ;) | 21:30 |
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| emagana | mestery: correct, do you want me to expand on the activities/ | 21:31 |
| emagana | ? | 21:31 |
| mestery | emagana: I think we're good unless you have something urgent, thanks! | 21:31 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:32 |
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| mestery | In the interest of keeping this short ... | 21:32 |
| mestery | Hopefully we're at the quietest point of the release now | 21:32 |
| * kevinbenton thinks mestery has somewhere to me… | 21:32 | |
| mestery | So in the interest of that as well, trying to keep this meeting short. | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | to be* | 21:32 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: If only ;) | 21:32 |
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| enikanorov_ | mestery: is the fate of lbaas decided? will it split? | 21:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120603/ - to add the dvr experimental job to the check queue (non-voting). I feel this is important, do others agree? | 21:33 |
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| banix | any new info on incubator and planning along that direction? | 21:33 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: We're working with the team on that, and adding them into the incubator/feature branch proposal | 21:33 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: looking | 21:33 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Agreed, in fact I have voted with my review there :) | 21:34 |
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| enikanorov_ | mestery: i'm thinking about the future of already-integrated lbaas code (e.g. v1) | 21:34 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Okay, I’ll ping infra again. | 21:34 |
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| dougwig__ | enikanorov_: planned to be frozen/deprecated whenever v2 is in a usable state. | 21:34 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: It depends on if we as a team decide to move all services into a seperate repository or not I guess. | 21:35 |
| enikanorov_ | it is frozen de facto right now... | 21:35 |
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| dougwig__ | true. | 21:35 |
| mestery | banix: I left off an incubator update for this week, but know that markmcclain and I have been talking with the LBaaS folks around their inclusion there. | 21:35 |
| enikanorov_ | well, ok, that was just my curiosity, i was not planning to argue :) | 21:35 |
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| sc68cal | IPv6 subteam has a small change for security groups that we need for IPv6 DHCP - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103811/ - perhaps core reviewers could take a look? | 21:35 |
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| banix | mestery: ok thanks | 21:35 |
| mestery | sc68cal: looking | 21:35 |
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| sc68cal | mestery: thanks :) | 21:36 |
| mestery | sc68cal: That one looks important, I've tagged it RC1 | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | mestery: perfect, thanks :) | 21:36 |
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| sc68cal | it nearly slipped my radar a couple times due to some issues with the gate, :) | 21:37 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: No doubt, thanks for bringing it up! | 21:37 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 21:38 |
| mestery | Reminder: Next week's meeting is Tuesday at 1400UTC. | 21:38 |
| mestery | We'll see you all there and in-channel! | 21:38 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:38 | |
| banix | bye | 21:38 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 21:38:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-15-21.00.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-15-21.00.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-09-15-21.00.log.html | 21:38 |
| enikanorov_ | bye everyone | 21:38 |
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