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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 27 15:01:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hello | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | and hello to anyone else who is around and interested :) | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| BobBall | yay the CI | 15:02 |
| BobBall | we're having fun | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: seem the CI has got upsted | 15:02 |
| BobBall | failures and no idea why :) | 15:02 |
| BobBall | upset? | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I meant upset | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | Let's use this meeting to try and look into one of the failures | 15:03 |
| BobBall | see if you can help :) | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, sure | 15:03 |
| BobBall | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/86/114286/12/23562/results.html | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | Just a random example | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/86/114286/12/23562/testr_results.html.gz | 15:03 |
| BobBall | shows that we have a failure in tearDownClass (tempest.scenario.test_server_advanced_ops | 15:03 |
| BobBall | InternalServerError: Lock Timeout occurred for key, os-revoke-events (Disable debug mode to suppress these details.) (HTTP 500) | 15:03 |
| BobBall | which apparently comes from keystone | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/86/114286/12/23562/screen-key.txt.gz are the keystone logs and don't have any ERROR or TRACE | 15:04 |
| BobBall | there are thousands of os-revoke-events because the lock is acquired lots and released lots | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | So.... ideas? :) | 15:05 |
| BobBall | This issue seems to be failing maybe 30% of the XenServer CI tests ATM | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, was looking at shelved I guess | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Want a cleaner example? | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/78/95278/9/23521/results.html | 15:06 |
| BobBall | That only has the one failure | 15:06 |
| BobBall | which is the os-revoke-events issue | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | have you searched launchpad yet? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:17 |
| BobBall | I didn't find anything | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | agree it looks like delete user failed somehow | 15:18 |
| BobBall | So - any thoughts? | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | why might we be seeing this here rather than in -infra? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | different OS version changes some lock thing, no idea really | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe you are running debug, but gate is not? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | it does say disable debug or something in the error message | 15:18 |
| BobBall | no - I think gate is running debug | 15:18 |
| BobBall | but disabling it just supresses the details | 15:18 |
| BobBall | the failure still occurs afaict | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | [Wed Aug 27 14:35:07.591400 2014] [:error] [pid 1875:tid 140390208882432] 1875 WARNING keystone.common.wsgi [-] Lock Timeout occurred for key, os-revoke-events (Disable debug mode to suppress these details.) | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the keystone logs | 15:18 |
| BobBall | ohhhh | 15:18 |
| BobBall | how did I not find that?! | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe the system is just running really slow | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | which log file? http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/86/114286/12/23562/screen-key.txt.gz doesn't show that | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do sometimes see it where the whole VM locks up inside Xen for a little while, it could be that | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/86/114286/12/23562/screen-key.txt.gz | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | is where I am | 15:18 |
| BobBall | *blink* that's the one I'm in | 15:18 |
| BobBall | maybe that's a firefox bug failing to search | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | each for Lock Timeout | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | search | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am in chrome if that helps | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | I found it from the timestamp | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, does look like it locked up for a few mins | 15:18 |
| BobBall | seconds | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, oops | 15:18 |
| BobBall | OK - so the issue here is that we _got_ the lock, but we didn't release it within the timeout | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sounds like the box is running too slow for some reason | 15:18 |
| BobBall | so we can blame RAX? ;) | 15:18 |
| BobBall | We could increase the timeout, but that's a horrible solution | 15:18 |
| BobBall | and might not solve it - if it's a timeout | 15:18 |
| BobBall | not* | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I blame the hypervisor, but you know | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its not a great solution | 15:18 |
| BobBall | :P | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | its odd it suddenly started happening | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Could be because I'm so backed up ATM I'm running loads of jobs | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we hit some memory maximum? | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | so maybe they are sitting on the same ... ohhhh good idea | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | KiB Mem: 4097680 total, 4070128 used, 27552 free, 1436 buffers | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Bingo | 15:18 |
| BobBall | We're uber-swapping | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | that would do it | 15:18 |
| BobBall | using 2G of swap | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | eek | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | that's the problem | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | OK, now, how to solve.... | 15:19 |
| BobBall | :P | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so turn down the number of a few workers | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would start with API | 15:19 |
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| BobBall | how many do you think we need? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | i duno | 15:19 |
| BobBall | tempest can only run 4 jobs, so maybe 4 as a max? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sounds sensible, what is it at the moment? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | we have 19... | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh... | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, 4 | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | (we run less than that on our production nodes, from memory) | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | although we have quite a few production nodes... | 15:22 |
| BobBall | how do you set the number of workers? | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its a nova conf things | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | osapi_workers or something like that | 15:22 |
| BobBall | oh wow | 15:22 |
| BobBall | the default is the number of CPUIs available apparently | 15:22 |
| BobBall | which is wrong | 15:22 |
| BobBall | we have 6 CPUs so how come we have 19 workers? | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | ah... does nova-api include other types of worker such as metadata workers? | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | os-volume, etc | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | although maybe thats gone now, but yeah | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | how many conductors? | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well 4 would do I guess, whats now, two processes maybe? | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | 2014-08-27 13:36:15.699 4402 INFO nova.openstack.common.service [-] Starting 6 workers | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess it has 6 right now, 4 seems safe enough for now | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if not less | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | but then why do we have 19 instances of nova-api? :) | 15:25 |
| BobBall | in ps | 15:25 |
| BobBall | hmmm... 18 | 15:25 |
| BobBall | 3 lots of 6? (6 CPUs) | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not 100% sure, just looking at the log | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | it claims only starting 6 workers | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did you mean to be running trove and sahara? | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | 2014-08-27 14:40:17.063 4315 INFO nova.openstack.common.service [-] Starting 6 workers | 15:27 |
| BobBall | 2014-08-27 14:40:18.084 4315 INFO nova.openstack.common.service [-] Starting 6 workers | 15:27 |
| BobBall | 2014-08-27 14:40:18.524 4315 INFO nova.openstack.common.service [-] Starting 6 workers | 15:27 |
| BobBall | that makes 18 | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | e2c, metadata, os-api? | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | yes | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, you are running trove, sahara and ceilometer, is that required now? | 15:29 |
| BobBall | dunno - does tempest depend on them running? :) | 15:29 |
| BobBall | That's all in the default devstack-gate | 15:30 |
| BobBall | there is no easy way to disable them | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, so they get requests it seems | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | celiometer seems to have three api workers, which seems, excessive | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I guess trim down a few, and things should improve a tidy bit? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | trove shouldn't be running actually | 15:30 |
| BobBall | that's weird | 15:30 |
| BobBall | DEVSTACK_GATE_TROVE should be set to 0 | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | which should mean it doesn't run | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | 0 or '0'? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | # Set to 1 to run trove | 15:31 |
| BobBall | export DEVSTACK_GATE_TROVE=${DEVSTACK_GATE_TROVE:-0} | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | the default is don't run | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats not working in your branch | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | ZUUL_URL=https://review.openstack.org ZUUL_REF=refs/changes/97/108097/19 CHANGED_PROJECT=openstack/nova PYTHONUNBUFFERED=true DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST=1 DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_FULL=1 DEVSTACK_GATE_VIRT_DRIVER=xenapi DEVSTACK_GATE_TIMEOUT=180 APPLIANCE_NAME=devstack ENABLED_SERVICES=g-api,g-reg,key,n-api,n-crt,n-obj,n-cpu,n-sch,horizon,mysql,rabbit,sysstat,dstat,pidstat,s-proxy,s-account,s-container,s-object,n-cond /home/jenkins/xenapi-os | 15:32 |
| BobBall | is how we run the job... | 15:32 |
| BobBall | I'm confused why is trove running | 15:32 |
| BobBall | ++ export DEVSTACK_GATE_TROVE=0 | 15:32 |
| BobBall | ++ DEVSTACK_GATE_TROVE=0 | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | hey sorry I'm late | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: hey | 16:19 |
| flip214 | so, IIUYC, it won't be in the november release, right? | 16:19 |
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| joa | jgriffith: okay | 16:19 |
| fungi | you can startmeeting now, hopefully | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: correct, but as I understood the manager code won't be ready until next month or later anyway | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | fungi: cool... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:20 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 27 16:20:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:20 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:20 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | YAYYY for fungi !!! | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | #topic J3 status | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | ok... now we're official again | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | \o/ | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Note bot was toast so we're 20 minutes in without topic | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: is my understanding correct? | 16:21 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | What should we do for driver cert till CI is working? Create a bug and submit cert results? | 16:21 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: well, I'm not sure. with some luck DRBDmanage should have snapshots by September ... | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: we have to rally and fix issues :) | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | flip214: yeah, that's too late :( | 16:22 |
| flip214 | but for integration/testing/debugging that's a bit late, I know. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | flip214: it'll be item 1 in Kilo | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | let's talk about third party ci | 16:22 |
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| flip214 | any chance of a maintenance release at the end of year? | 16:22 |
| joa | oh. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | #topic third-party-ci status | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: not for drivers... but we push to master and people can pull that | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | flip214: we can talk in cinder channel after if you like? | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: we do maintenance releases for bugs | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | no new features or drivers though | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | ok... third party CI | 16:23 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: it's okay, thanks. At least the uncertainty has vanished! | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | some folks have mentioned that things seem to be a bit ..... *unstable* as of late | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | particularly rigs that were passing are not passing any longer | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | couple of things: | 16:24 |
| e0ne | looks like we've got some issue with tempest and/or devstack. not sure that all of them are bugs in sinder | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | Check tempest and devstack git history, see if you can figure out when/what went wrong | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | This tempest bug is still not merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112535/ | 16:24 |
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| xyang1 | about test_volume_boot_pattern | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: is that believe to *fix* the issues? | 16:26 |
| asselin | jgriffith, one issue we ran into was that we were using the old openstack pypi mirrors, which didn't have the new requirements...hence lots of failures. | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | ok... let's all back up a second | 16:26 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: that's supposed to fix some issues related to test_volume_boot_pattern that we run into | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | so, it seems some people are having issues with CI that aren't necessarily driver related | 16:26 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: not sure if it will fix all issues | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | The most common ones I've heard are test_volume_boot_pattern | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | I've also personally noticed a lot of flakiness in attaching of volumes created with encryption types | 16:27 |
| e0ne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116290/ - this fixes some issue with tempest and rbd backend (about 5 tests) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | everything else seems to run *ok* and consistently | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: that's Ceph specific | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: yep | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I'm really only concerned with issues people are having with running that *are not* related to their driver | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | sorry:( | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | or don't appear to be related to their driver | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: no worries | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Just testing running tempest following setup from Jay Pipes instructions fails. Nothing related to specific driver. | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: ok, so are you saying the actual setup of the systems? Or the tests? | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Some issues with the setup. Seem to have resolved them, now it's just down to running the tests. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | What I'd like to see people do if possible is log bugs with a "third-party-ci-fail" tag | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Haven't even gotten to trying to test our driver. | 16:30 |
| rhe00 | how many CI systems are online and allowed to give feedback on non-sandbox cinder stuff? I only saw two on my review?? | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | but make absolutely certain it's not your driver, or your CI-Rig before doing so | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | rhe00: I think there's two vendors active right now HP and EMC | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | rhe00: IBM should be back online shortly | 16:31 |
| rhe00 | ok, that's what I saw | 16:31 |
| Murali | Who can help me with pylint errors? My patch is failing with "Module 'hashlib' has no 'sha256'". We may need to add this error to exception list | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I'll add mine when I figure out the attach issues/failures I'm seeing | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | Murali: link to patch? | 16:31 |
| Murali | pylint | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Murali: I'll take a look at it after the meeting and add comments if I can help | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Hope to be. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Murali: yes... I understand pylint, which patch/review ID? | 16:32 |
| Murali | https://review.openstack.org/110068 | 16:32 |
| rhe00 | so is the plan still to boot all drivers that don't have an active vendor CI, and if so, by when? | 16:32 |
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| eharney | Murali: we currently have an exception like that for 'sha224'. it's likely lintstack.py needs to be modified to generate that exception as well | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | rhe00: let's focus on getting things up and running for now | 16:33 |
| rhe00 | ok | 16:33 |
| Murali | jgriffith:thanks John | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | rhe00: we can discuss things like driver removal etc later | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Murali: you're very welcome | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so here's a plan | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: started a g-docs spreadsheet of third-party ci status | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I propose we all update that with our current status | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | and start an issues page | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I know I've seen it, but do you have a link? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | where issues == tempest tests that fial for you | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I don't, but I'll find it... was hoping DuncanT- would appear | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 on that plan | 16:35 |
| joa | Personally, my CI has a few tests failing (I agree on that plan, jgriffith), I still have to check whether it's config-related or not | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WCfGEm1XgK79vMMi67dxUcK_sw4FINQhzPbrQ_NRvxM/edit?usp=sharing | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | ^^ link to ci status sheet | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Thank you much! | 16:36 |
| e0ne | "You need permission" :( | 16:36 |
| joa | yup, requires access. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: could you, please, make it a bit more public? | 16:37 |
| joa | Requested to DuncanT- | 16:37 |
| erlon | jgriffith: who supose to access that? | 16:37 |
| eharney | the one that i looked at and edited before didn't have access | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith smcginnis https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WCfGEm1XgK79vMMi67dxUcK_sw4FINQhzPbrQ_NRvxM/edit?usp=sharing_eil | 16:37 |
| eharney | restrictions* | 16:37 |
| eharney | because i can't access that either | 16:37 |
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| eharney | and i thought it was an etherpad... | 16:38 |
| AlkaD | can't access it either | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | I thought there was an etherpad eariler | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: jungleboyj So we wait for DuncanT- ? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, I was supposed to have access but don't appear to. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | I'll leave access permissions to DuncanT- | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | if he doesn't want to change it I'll start a new version | 16:39 |
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| eharney | jgriffith: so the data from the etherpad was moved here? | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | should we all email DuncanT- with status and ask him to update it? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | eharney: which etherpad :) | 16:39 |
| eharney | jgriffith: the one that driver owners were asked to fill out with information listing all the drivers. | 16:39 |
| eharney | which... i can't find now | 16:39 |
| patrickeast | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-driver-maintainers ? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | nahh... that's just the maintainers list | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | alright... | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | How's this | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'll create a new etherpad | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | unless somebody has an actual link to an existing one with this info? | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-third-party-ci-status | 16:41 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: where do we report issues? on this etherpad as well? | 16:42 |
| joa | should we savage-edit ? :p | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: yes, to start with | 16:42 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: and of course if you think you've identified a valid bug it should be logged in LP | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | and use a tag | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | I'll pu tthat info on the etherpad | 16:43 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: sure. I opened a bug for the boot pattern issue | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: awesome | 16:44 |
| joa | xyang1: there is an issue about the tesT_volume_boot_pattern ? Seems to be one I encounter. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:44 |
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| xyang1 | joa: yes, patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112535/ | 16:44 |
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| joa | Well, I have to go through my CI's log to put down which test modulesI encounter issues with | 16:44 |
| joa | I suspsect configuration issues for some of them | 16:45 |
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| joa | should we put them all down, and then triage this later ? | 16:45 |
| xyang1 | joa: bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1351441 | 16:45 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1351441 in tempest "addCleanup is missing from create snapshot test" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Ok, let's all see if we can't get some data on status on that etherpad (that now won't open for me) | 16:45 |
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| xyang1 | joa: I'll add this info to etherpad as well | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT- | Gah, I was an hour out, sorry | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:46 |
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| joa | DuncanT-: yer forgiven, sir. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT- | I'll try to make that spreadsheet fully public | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +2 | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | so for those that haven't seen.... | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WCfGEm1XgK79vMMi67dxUcK_sw4FINQhzPbrQ_NRvxM/edit?usp=sharing | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT- | Hopefully now done | 16:47 |
| joa | DuncanT-: right got access | 16:48 |
| joa | thanks | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: started a "kiss" version of setting up third-party-ci https://github.com/Funcan/kiss-ci | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: I am in now. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | I still need to push John's updates | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | I've taken some liberties on that, and I've also now got a version that uses ansible-playbook for everything | 16:48 |
| joa | DuncanT-: How should we tell you to make some changes ? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | the point being, use what you want, but if you're hung up on jenkins etc, don't be | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | I'll do that in the next few minutes before I get pulled off onto something else again | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | move on for now and get something running asap | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | joa: To teh spreadsheet? Just go ahead and edit | 16:49 |
| joa | ookay, lets try :D | 16:49 |
| joa | cant seem to be able to edit my companys status | 16:49 |
| joa | isnt it write-locked ? | 16:49 |
| eharney | it looks read-only to me too | 16:49 |
| joa | okay so i'm not alone | 16:50 |
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| * joa felt lonely one second. | 16:50 | |
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| joa | Well, I'll update Scality's status when it will be writeable :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | wait... hold up | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | let's decide here and now | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | one version of truth | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | g-doc spreadsheet or etherpad | 16:52 |
| joa | Could the "Build project" status URL be added into that spreadsheet ? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | not both | 16:52 |
| joa | +1, I find gdoc table more visual | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I personally don't care which it is as long as it's publicly available | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | but I certainly don't want to have multiple versions floating around | 16:53 |
| eharney | i'd vote etherpad just because it's generally easier for people to pull up and edit (in my experience anyway) | 16:53 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | all in favor of etherpad show +1: | 16:53 |
| eharney | +1 | 16:53 |
| AlkaD | +1 | 16:53 |
| asselin | +1 | 16:53 |
| xyang1 | +1 | 16:53 |
| jkremer | +1 | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | +1 | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT-: Since you are the keeper of the CI's, any preference? | 16:53 |
| kmartin | +1 | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | I don't mind | 16:54 |
| flip214 | +1 | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | ok.... all in favor of a g-doc spreadsheet show +1: | 16:54 |
| joa | +1 | 16:54 |
| * joa feels lonely :D | 16:54 | |
| jungleboyj | +1 | 16:54 |
| * jungleboyj can go either way | 16:54 | |
| jgriffith | ok... that seems like a pretty clear win | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: WTF | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | you can't vote for both | 16:55 |
| joa | aahah | 16:55 |
| eharney | lol | 16:55 |
| bswartz | etherpad +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I felt bad for joa | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | 0 No score | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | etherpad is fine | 16:55 |
| flip214 | in etherpad it's much easier to change other people's minds. | 16:55 |
| joa | :) | 16:55 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj: what a nice guy | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | Ok, let's try etherpad, but I'd like ot figure out if we can create a table in etherpad | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: You know it! | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | and keep things somewhat organized | 16:55 |
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| joa | jgriffith: that was my.. internal worry ? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:55 |
| joa | if there can be a good table I'm all for it | 16:56 |
| saguchi_ | +1 | 16:56 |
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| joa | only gdoc's one is nice and visual | 16:56 |
| joa | if we can have the same on etherpad, all the better | 16:56 |
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| DuncanT- | The spreadsheet is now editable by y'all in case that is useful | 16:56 |
| Swanson | spreadsheet was prettier | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | oh boy... we've completely lost control :) | 16:56 |
| AlkaD | :) | 16:57 |
| eharney | wiki.openstack.org is also an option to consider | 16:57 |
| joa | eharney: indeed, good point | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | eharney: good compromise | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: I'm making an exec decision... | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I thought we were trying to make less options, not more! :) | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | wiki.openstack | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | I'll link it to cinder wiki page | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:57 |
| eharney | it's easily editable but a little less unstable than an etherpad environment | 16:57 |
| eharney | sounds good to me... | 16:58 |
| joa | also, logs the changes :)) | 16:58 |
| * DuncanT- also invites related reviews on https://review.openstack.org/116887 - I've got a few more to add but digging through emails is far harder than letting you all comment | 16:58 | |
| rhe00 | just have to figure out concurrency so not all at once... :) | 16:58 |
| eharney | joa: etherpad actually does that, it's just got a tricky UI | 16:58 |
| * jungleboyj can't use the ASCII table generator I just found now. | 16:58 | |
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| joa | eharney: oh. tricky it is, then | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | I'll get things flushed out (table etc) | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | ok... thanks goodness we're out of time | 16:59 |
| joa | DuncanT-: commented. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | please check this wiki later and update | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 27 16:59:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-27-16.20.html | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-27-16.20.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-08-27-16.20.log.html | 16:59 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 27 17:00:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| tjones | hi folks | 17:00 |
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| tjones | who's here? | 17:00 |
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| tjones | might be a really short meeting.... | 17:02 |
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| tjones | dims: you here? | 17:04 |
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| dims | tjones: pong | 17:06 |
| dims | just you and me? :) | 17:06 |
| tjones | hey - looks like no one is here | 17:06 |
| tjones | hee hee | 17:06 |
| tjones | i wanted to ping you on oslo.vmware - matt said it needs a rebase | 17:06 |
| tjones | rado may have been doing it but i cannot find him | 17:06 |
| tjones | vuil is stuck at the car dealership. i've asked him to rebase when he gets in | 17:07 |
| dims | y Rados or Vui may want to do it. it's a non-trivial rebase (i tried yesterday) as a newly added test breaks badly | 17:07 |
| tjones | ok lets wait for them then | 17:07 |
| tjones | that is all i really had | 17:07 |
| dims | cool. ttyl. fyi, am out rest of the week back monday | 17:08 |
| tjones | ok have a nice break | 17:08 |
| dims | thanks | 17:08 |
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| garyk | sorry for being late | 17:12 |
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| tjones | hey garyk no prob. no one is here | 17:13 |
| garyk | humph | 17:13 |
| tjones | dims is - we already talked about the oslo rebase - need rado | 17:14 |
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| tjones | i've sent him an email about it | 17:14 |
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| tjones | it's a tough rebase | 17:14 |
| garyk | ok. he has done great work there and i think can get it posted tomorrow | 17:14 |
| tjones | great matt - was pinging me on it so he is engaged on reviewing it | 17:14 |
| tjones | we should celebrate when that one merges | 17:15 |
| tjones | i figured today would be a short meeting - just wanted to make sure the rebase was happening and reviews etc | 17:15 |
| garyk | it would really be helpful and a positive step | 17:15 |
| dims | twas on jogo's review queue as well | 17:15 |
| tjones | awesome | 17:15 |
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| tjones | unless you have anything lets end early. im doing triage and bug fixing today | 17:16 |
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| tjones | sorry - computer crashed | 17:20 |
| tjones | going to end this | 17:20 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 27 17:20:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-27-17.00.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-08-27-17.00.txt | 17:20 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 27 19:00:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | hello, world. who's here? | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse | yo | 19:01 |
| hurricanerix_ | hi | 19:01 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 19:01 |
| goodes | o/ | 19:01 |
| tsg | ola | 19:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | not a ton of specific things to cover, I think | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic general | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | sign up for the hackathon if you're planning on attending. IIRC the hotel block (rates?) ends this week | 19:02 |
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| tdasilva_ | #link https://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hackathon-tickets-12383404095 | 19:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva_: heh. thanks | 19:03 |
| tdasilva_ | :-) | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon? we've talked about it a bit the last 2 weeks | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | great | 19:04 |
| notmyname | monday we tagged swift 2.1.0.rc1 | 19:04 |
| notmyname | please look in to that this week and submit any bugs you find asap | 19:04 |
| notmyname | unless something comes up, 2.1.0 final will be next monday | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | I haven't seen anything come through that would require a backport, but I've also been traveling. | 19:05 |
| notmyname | anyone else seen anything yet? | 19:05 |
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| mattoliverau | not yet | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | good :-) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | #topic ops meetup summary | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | this week I was in san antonio at the openstack ops meetup | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | it was good. I learned a few things and got some good feedback | 19:08 |
| notmyname | specifically relating to current things in swift, I asked about the gap analysis issues that we've been discussion | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | interestingly (to me), most of the people there are relying on distro packages and some are building their own packages. but nobody was pulling from an arbitrary commit or doing anything other than the integrated release. | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | eg they may patch some stuff in their own packages, but the base is the integrated release | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | it's important to note that the people in attendance were generally installing all of openstack and not jsut swift, so sticking with the integrated release makes more sense (a common complaint was doing upgrades) | 19:10 |
| goodes | any comments on 12.04/precise LTS being EOL and the push to 14.04 | 19:11 |
| notmyname | so, that relates to us in that it's good input on figuring out the impact of moving to a time based, milestone-focused release schedule | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | goodes: interestingly no. specific distro issues didn't come up. or, nobody knows or mentioned the disparity of what's in CI vs what's in prod | 19:11 |
| notmyname | I also asked about oslo.config. | 19:12 |
| notmyname | the consensus was a resounding "meh" with nobody saying that we should change anything | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | that is, 0 people though changing was inherently good, and everyone else was no or don't care | 19:13 |
| cschwede | interesting! | 19:13 |
| notmyname | so that was interesting feedback too | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | sounds like that's settled, then | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: ya, the reasoning was (1) we have config management and (2) we use whatever you give us | 19:13 |
| notmyname | so realizing that moving to oslo.config wouldn't remove what we currently have (ie we'd still have to support it for a long time), nobody really cares | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | at least the people in the room in san antonio | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | the last thing I asked about was logging, just to keep a future eye on oslo.logging | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | and there, the answer was that common log prefixes were nice (eg <date> <foo> <bar> ...) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | so that's something to consider for the future | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | it's not something new. portante brought it up a while back | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | and oslo.logging is still incubated (ie copy/paste code) so it's currently a non-starter | 19:16 |
| notmyname | just something to keep in mind for the future | 19:16 |
| notmyname | any other questions about the ops meetup? that's about all I was planning to say | 19:17 |
| notmyname | (well I've got a blog post I'll publish tomorrow...) | 19:17 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: great, can’t wait to read it | 19:17 |
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| cschwede | any big concerns from the ops on operating swift? | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: nothing came up | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | the big concerns were around cinder migrations, keystone at scale, and glance (everything) | 19:18 |
| cschwede | :) | 19:18 |
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| cschwede | keystone might get an issue for us too (regarding the token size) | 19:19 |
| cschwede | us=swift | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | ya, turns out that nobody there uses pki tokens. everyone used uuid tokens (in part because of the size) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | eg one of the problems with the keystone uuid tokens is something like to look it up in the keystone db it does a table scan matching on something like 5 columns. ie slow | 19:20 |
| notmyname | good feedback all around, but not too much that swift was specifically called out on | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | wait, you mean a single 32KB header value is a bad idea? | 19:20 |
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| torgomatic | who knew? | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | chocking, I know | 19:20 |
| notmyname | whatever | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, a token validate only scans the table based on 2 columns, id and expires (if it is expired) | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, the times the token table are scaned for other things are on deletes/revokes | 19:21 |
| notmyname | morganfainberg: ah. I'm not wanting to spread falshoods. soory. just relating what I heard in the room (from non-devs) | 19:21 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, no worries, just wanted to make sure people had the info :) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, a lot of operators don't understand that bit | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | revocations was a big concern with keystone, actually | 19:22 |
| notmyname | but we're getting off topic from the meeting | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, we *do* plan on spending a bunch of time @ the paris summit on working on the token issue. (pki is an issue) | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, anyway i'll let you get back on topic :) | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | morganfainberg: I'd be happy to chat later about keystone feedback from the ops meetup. I think it's all on the etherpad | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | morganfainberg: great to hear | 19:23 |
| morganfainberg | notmyname, ++ hit me up for sure (about to head to lunch) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to ec status | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #topic ec status | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | what's been going on this week? | 19:23 |
| peluse | sure.. based on con call last Fri there is a newly revised reconstructor chapter in the EC design spec for revew at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116486/ | 19:23 |
| peluse | and the reconstructor frameork patch is up for review too (but I just saw a py26 failure so need to look at that) | 19:23 |
| peluse | tsg has a few in the hopper as well | 19:23 |
| peluse | and trello is up to date | 19:23 |
| peluse | :) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the new pictures in the docs are very helpful | 19:24 |
| peluse | yeah, those are from Ian. He did a good job visualizing the scenarios we need to map to | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | if you want to see how ec reconstruction works (ie the counterpart to replication), check it out | 19:24 |
| peluse | feedback welcome! | 19:24 |
| notmyname | peluse: what's the most important thing outstanding right now? | 19:25 |
| peluse | we still have design work to do on the reconstructor side too... | 19:25 |
| peluse | I think the most important thing is movement on the existing patches | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:25 |
| peluse | tsg and recon framework | 19:25 |
| notmyname | peluse: reviewS? | 19:25 |
| peluse | yes | 19:25 |
| notmyname | peluse: ok | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I'm hoping that I can do that this week | 19:25 |
| peluse | cool | 19:25 |
| peluse | tsg, you there? | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | and maybe mattoliverau zaitcev and torgomatic can too ? | 19:25 |
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| tsg | from my side - 1. EC policy patch merged 2. wsgi 100-continue headers patch merged to eventlet repo 3. EC quorum_size, generic payload footer support, PUT/GET in flight | 19:25 |
| mattoliverau | Will do! | 19:25 |
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| peluse | rock on! | 19:26 |
| notmyname | tsg: nice | 19:26 |
| peluse | that's great news on the eventlet side | 19:26 |
| tsg | and pyeclib/liberasurecode nearing 1.0 (next week) | 19:26 |
| peluse | yeah, just worry about your item #3 right now :) | 19:26 |
| tsg | :) | 19:26 |
| notmyname | tsg: torgomatic: is there anything to summarize on the footer/multipart changes? or should we just read gerrit? | 19:26 |
| peluse | JK, that's great news | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | just read gerrit, there's a small novel in there | 19:27 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: heh, ok | 19:27 |
| tsg | most of it is on gerritt and torgomatic, has an update from a few minutes ago :) | 19:27 |
| tsg | s/,/ | 19:27 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: sortof related to EC stuff (in that it's important for ec perf), what's the current status for the zerocopy patches? | 19:27 |
| tsg | torgomatic: for now, I will post the naive non-MIME version of the footer patch while we continue to discuss that topic | 19:28 |
| * peluse just remembered that was supposed to be on his review list for last week.... argh | 19:28 | |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: gathering dust, mostly | 19:28 |
| peluse | torgomatic: I'll look this week FWIF for sure | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ok, need reviews there too | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | I still don't have benchmark results for the PUT one on real hardware though | 19:28 |
| peluse | torgomatic: plans to get some? | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | peluse: if possible; there's hardware contention at my office (as usual, there's not enough hardware to go around) | 19:29 |
| peluse | torgomatic: cool, I'll still look at the code but I think that's needed for approval of course | 19:30 |
| torgomatic | yup | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to patches | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | #topic patches | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | the services patch for swiftclient landed | 19:32 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on that | 19:32 |
| notmyname | note that there is a new dependency there | 19:32 |
| notmyname | and I've got a todo item to send an email to the ML about global requirements. | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:33 |
| notmyname | I think we've already called out a few high priority things to review this week | 19:33 |
| notmyname | the zero copy patches and some of the EC ones | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | I want to see the affinity+delete one and the global cluster replication one land by juno | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | that is, their respective functionality, if the patches as they currently are don't work | 19:34 |
| peluse | OK, I'll look at the zero copy and affinity delete this week for sure | 19:35 |
| notmyname | and the keystone one too. basically, the stuff that is important to ensure success for people grabbing swift out of the integrated release | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | I haven't looked at the review queue (beyond the gerrit emails) since this weekend. is there anything else to call out? any other questions that can be addressed here? | 19:36 |
| peluse | was hoping portante would wrap up the keystone ACL one since its a followup on to the v2. I already +2'd it | 19:36 |
| peluse | and he also looked at the v2 one | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | seems as if many (all?) swift patches are blocked because of a pbr bug in the gate right now | 19:37 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116775/ <-- this should unblock it. -infra is discussing it now | 19:38 |
| cschwede | peluse: iirc, portante won’t be able to do a lot of reviews atm (he said something in that direction in last weeks meeting). i will have a look at the keystone acl patch | 19:38 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 19:38 |
| notmyname | and right. portante probably won't be able to look at it. he's being asked to focus on some other things at red hat instead of swift | 19:39 |
| peluse | no prob, just mentioned it becuase he was already setup w/v2 | 19:39 |
| notmyname | any other patches? | 19:39 |
| cschwede | peluse: yep, i had a look at the v2 too, so i think i can continue with acls | 19:39 |
| peluse | what else is there at red hat besides swift? | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ...to discuss | 19:39 |
| notmyname | peluse: that is a terrific question | 19:40 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | oh, | 19:41 |
| notmyname | there's a ML thread about a different pattern for the design summit | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | there are more projects than ever and less space, so the current proposal is to not have full-day dedicated rooms to different projects | 19:41 |
| notmyname | the mailing list topic is "Design Summit reloaded" | 19:42 |
| notmyname | so check that out | 19:42 |
| peluse | oh yeah, schedule posted and keving and I will be representing the good work of everyone on the EC side with a talk on Mon I think | 19:42 |
| notmyname | peluse: nice! | 19:42 |
| mattoliverau | peluse: awesome! | 19:42 |
| peluse | hope to see a lot of you there, notmyname has like 100 sessions too I think :) | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | at lest | 19:43 |
| notmyname | *least | 19:43 |
| notmyname | that being said, I think the early registration price ends soon | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | but you all should have a free code since you contributed | 19:43 |
| notmyname | but IIRC from the last summit, that may expire with the early registration | 19:44 |
| notmyname | so if you're going, register today! | 19:44 |
| cschwede | deadline is tomorrow for early registration! | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ...and that's all I got. anyone else? | 19:44 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. have a good day | 19:44 |
| peluse | later | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 27 19:44:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-27-19.00.html | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-27-19.00.txt | 19:44 |
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| mattoliverau | thanks notmyname | 19:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-08-27-19.00.log.html | 19:44 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 27 20:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| jpeeler | o/ | 20:01 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
| ryansb | o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:01 |
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| mspreitz | hi | 20:02 |
| skraynev | hey | 20:02 |
| andrearosa_home | hi | 20:02 |
| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| zaneb | zaneb to email out details of when/where to meet up | 20:03 |
| zaneb | I did that :) | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | skraynev document mob wisdom on bug 1356084 in launchpad | 20:03 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1356084 in heat "Cannot delete the stack after replacing image during stack-update" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356084 | 20:03 |
| skraynev | zaneb: done | 20:03 |
| zaneb | yep, that's in there | 20:03 |
| zaneb | stevebaker raise a launchpad bug for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack | 20:03 |
| skraynev | I tried to sort all ideas ;) hope result is nice | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | I'm not finding that | 20:04 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: shall I re-action that for you? | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | totally didn't do that, but it looks like this happens on havana->icehouse upgrade because the resulting paste.ini is still the havana one | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | aha | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | which sounds like a packaging bug, because paste.ini should be considered code, not configuration | 20:05 |
| zaneb | well, let's file a bug to help people find it anyway | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | yep, #action me! | 20:06 |
| zaneb | #action stevebaker raise bugs for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack | 20:06 |
| ryansb | might it be creating a "paste.ini.rpmnew" since the paste.ini was edited? | 20:06 |
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| ryansb | stevebaker: ^ | 20:06 |
| zaneb | I removed the launchpad part, since we may want downstream bugs too | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | ryansb, could be. | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | yeah, that's a distinct possibility | 20:07 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:07 | |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-08-27_2000_UTC.29 | 20:07 |
| zaneb | anything else? | 20:07 |
| mspreitz | Is therve here, interested in discussing alternate design for scaling across AZs? | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, functional test dir structure | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: he usually doesn't make it to this one | 20:08 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: ok | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | bring popcorn for that | 20:08 |
| zaneb | #topic Juno blueprint status | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno blueprint status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:09 | |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-3 | 20:09 |
| zaneb | can everybody please make sure that status of their bps is up to date | 20:10 |
| zaneb | if you don't think something is going to land by next week, let me know | 20:10 |
| mspreitz | Can I lobby for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/implement-autoscalinggroup-availabilityzones? It was approved a long time ago, and there is a spec and code in progress | 20:10 |
| zaneb | #info juno-3 + Feature Freeze is next week | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, I've just added the 3 bps I'm working on to j-3 | 20:11 |
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| shardy | zaneb: did we decide contrib resources aren't part of feature freeze, as they're disabled by default? | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | yep, and the next item was to say that if you have blueprints that *are* going to land or have landed that are not on that list, please target them to juno-3 or ask me to do it | 20:12 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, just bumped mine mutually exclusive props (low priority) to next, most probably won't make it | 20:12 |
| pas-ha | ok, have one :) | 20:12 |
| zaneb | shardy: if we didn't, let's decide that now :) | 20:12 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Ok, cool, the Ironic resources may slip due to unexpectedly hostile reactions from the Ironic PTL ;( | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, could you set the Priority on my 3? | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: will do, but nothing stopping you from doing it yourself afaik | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | shardy: really? why? | 20:14 |
| mspreitz | zaneb, can you please target https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/implement-autoscalinggroup-availabilityzones for Juno-3? huangtianhua seems to have stopped working on this topic, but I am | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | critical all! | 20:14 |
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| shardy | zaneb: You can see in the comments to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104222/ | 20:15 |
| shardy | I had a follow-up conversation on IRC and he's -1 on them still, so I'm working on a spec with use-cases and justification | 20:15 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: done | 20:15 |
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| mspreitz | thanks | 20:15 |
| shardy | ultimately, we don't need his approval, but I thought it wise to at least seek consensus before pressing ahead with them | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | shardy: interesting, yes | 20:16 |
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| mspreitz | I'll admin I have not been following the heat/ironic debate. What is the reason for heat to deal directly with ironic instead of through nova? | 20:18 |
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| mspreitz | s/admin/admit | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | mspreitz, mostly that Ironic is admin only | 20:18 |
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| pas-ha | no user API | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | and that it physical, not virtual resources | 20:19 |
| mspreitz | OK, I have not been following Ironic closely. I thought the lack of user API is because users do not need an API | 20:19 |
| shardy | mspreitz: basically for integration with management intergfaces, like drac/ilo for setting up the hardware (bios, firmware, raid) | 20:19 |
| shardy | the idea is to prepare the hardware to a known state before nova boots it | 20:19 |
| zaneb | shardy: so we want them for TripleO? | 20:19 |
| shardy | zaneb: that is the target use-case, yes, although they are focussed on in-band management right now | 20:20 |
| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-ironic-spec-draft | 20:20 |
| shardy | If anyone wants to help with the spec, there's a first draft | 20:21 |
| zaneb | and and end-user can request a bare-metal server from Ironic, but they would do so using the Nova API if I'm reading correctly? | 20:21 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Yes, but there's a bunch of stuff you can't control via nova, pre-deployment configuration which is possible via various interfaces to the out-of-band management interfaces on some hardware | 20:22 |
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| shardy | e.g stuff you can do via the ironic api which you can't do via nova | 20:22 |
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| shardy | it's admin-only stuff which would happen via the tripleo undercloud | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | ok, our bp list got a lot longer and all the new ones are "needs code review" not "completed" :( | 20:24 |
| zaneb | review harder :D | 20:25 |
| zaneb | the gate will be a zoo next week | 20:25 |
| zaneb | #topic juno-3 milestone release management | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "juno-3 milestone release management (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:25 | |
| zaneb | so somehow I have managed to time it so I will be away *again* for the juno-3 milestone | 20:26 |
| zaneb | sigh | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | lol | 20:26 |
| ryansb | allergic to milestones? | 20:26 |
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| zaneb | luckily the process is much simpler than it used to be | 20:26 |
| zaneb | pick an SHA you like the look of | 20:26 |
| zaneb | tell the release manager | 20:26 |
| zaneb | release gets tagged | 20:26 |
| ryansb | also aren't US folks off for Labor day next week? | 20:27 |
| zaneb | simples | 20:27 |
| zaneb | ryansb: yes | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, I don't mind doing it | 20:27 |
| ryansb | man, the gate'll be an extra-zoo then. | 20:27 |
| shardy | zaneb: likewise, I should be around to help out if needed | 20:27 |
| zaneb | #info stevebaker volunteers as the release management cza^W liason for juno-3 | 20:28 |
| * zaneb will try to actually be around for the final release | 20:28 | |
| zaneb | #topic Mission Statement | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mission Statement (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:28 | |
| zaneb | I know how much you all love discussing this :) | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | ttx, fyi, I'll be heat release management monkey for j-3 | 20:29 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116703/ | 20:29 |
| zaneb | so I put a review up, as we're required to do for our gap-closing | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | looks perfect | 20:29 |
| zaneb | it's using the text supplied by lifeless a year ago | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | I am personally concerned that it makes it sound like Mistral is in-scope for Heat, and I don't think it should be | 20:30 |
| zaneb | but anyway, please everybody either vote +1 or make suggestions on that review | 20:30 |
| * lifeless blinks | 20:30 | |
| mspreitz | By "infrastructure" it means virtual infrastructure created by OpenStack? Or also the physical infrastructure on which OpenStack runs? | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | the "application" word makes me a bit uneasy given Murano and Solum | 20:30 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: the first one | 20:31 |
| ryansb | maybe "service for data-driven lifecycle management within openstack clouds" | 20:31 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: but... but... see Ironic discussion earlier | 20:31 |
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| ryansb | never mind. I'll toss it on the review. | 20:31 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: let's say that /contrib is not in-scope | 20:31 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: ah, good dodge | 20:32 |
| * zaneb bows | 20:32 | |
| mspreitz | The wording could use some clarification on this point. | 20:32 |
| zaneb | let's bikeshed on the review :) | 20:33 |
| zaneb | #topic functional test directory structure | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "functional test directory structure (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:33 | |
| shardy | mspreitz: TripleO already blurs those lines by using heat to deploy both ;) | 20:33 |
| * zaneb reaches for popcorn | 20:33 | |
| zaneb | stevebaker: which part are we still discussing? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, we're down to the specifics now, its basically integration vs functional | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | we have a job called check-heat-dsvm-functional, the job name won't change but we need to choose a top level dir/package to put our functional tests | 20:34 |
| zaneb | it seems like we will eventually want both, but the ones we have at the moment are integration tests | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | which are technically integration tests | 20:35 |
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| stevebaker | so contenders are heat-integrationtests or heat-functionaltests which will initially contain scenario tests which interact will a full openstack | 20:35 |
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| zaneb | let's be technically correct - the best kind of correct | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | so we have devstack hooks in /functionaltests. should they move to heat-integrationtests too? | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | pass, I don't know how devstack hooks work | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | and there is a tox environment 'functional', should that be renamed 'integration'? | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | probably, if there is going to be a separate functional one later | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb, its just a couple of shell scripts, there will need to be an infra config change if we move them but it hasn't landed yet so might be better to move them now | 20:39 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | ok, cool. thats all I need to know | 20:39 |
| shardy | If we're going for unit/integration/functional we should probably write something somewhere to define the scope of each type of test | 20:39 |
| mspreitz | shardy: +1 | 20:40 |
| shardy | folks (myself included) got confused enough with the whole api/scenario thing in tempest | 20:40 |
| shardy | which I considered functional tests in both cases | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | shardy, there should be a heat-integrationtests/README.rst | 20:40 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1, sounds good | 20:40 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:40 |
| mspreitz | I was also wondering what is the practical use of the distinction. Will integration tests be run under different circumstances the functional ones? | 20:40 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: yes | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | I think the API tests are functional tests, but the scenario tests are integration tests | 20:41 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: also will be good to have same for functional | 20:41 |
| zaneb | integration tests run against other services, functional tests against fakes | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | some of our unit tests are technically functional tests (test_engine_service) | 20:41 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: thanks, that should be part of what is written down | 20:41 |
| shardy | zaneb: It would be great if we could somehow move towards a model where functional tests have less coupling with the code, e.g not like the current "unit" tests | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz, functional tests test all the heat bits working together. integration tests heat against all the other components in the system | 20:42 |
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| shardy | the current test structure is bordering on unworkable IMO, for certain types of changes which impact a lot of stuff | 20:43 |
| mspreitz | OK, I understand the difference in dependencies. Is there a difference in usage? Are both run at the same point in a change's lifecycle? | 20:43 |
| * shardy is just grumpy after two days of poking at broken tests ;) | 20:43 | |
| zaneb | shardy: only two days? | 20:44 |
| * zaneb usually spends weeks | 20:44 | |
| shardy | zaneb: well, I've not finished yet ;) | 20:44 |
| zaneb | lol | 20:44 |
| * stevebaker needs to go soon | 20:44 | |
| zaneb | I think we're agreed on this | 20:45 |
| zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | anyone got issues? | 20:45 |
| zaneb | try to keep it project-related | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | no issues | 20:47 |
| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | anything else? | 20:47 |
| pas-ha | how much attention should be devoted to failing check-tripleo-novabm-overcloud-precise-nonha? | 20:47 |
| shardy | A couple of folks have showed up in #heat with issues after following the ubuntu install guide (the openstack docs) | 20:47 |
| shardy | are there any heat ubuntu users who would be prepared to review/test the steps to spot issues? | 20:48 |
| pas-ha | is it considered being more towards reasonable? | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: afaik it's an unstable non-voting job | 20:48 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, I use ubuntu, could try (though I'm using devstack exclusively now) | 20:49 |
| shardy | pas-ha: If you're making an interface change, I'd like to see it pass, but it is somewhat flaky atm | 20:49 |
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| pas-ha | shardy, any links on bugs/questions? | 20:50 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Ok, I think it's the package based installs a couple of folks had issues with | 20:50 |
| mspreitz | shardy: I could also give it a try, starting from a heatless DevStack install. | 20:50 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/heat-install.html | 20:50 |
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| shardy | Oops, or the Icehouse version rather | 20:50 |
| skraynev | shardy: I use ubuntu too, so I may help pas-ha with it (if necessary ) :) | 20:50 |
| shardy | Cool, well I just wanted to get some heat-dev eyes on it, as tbh I never run heat on Ubuntu, so am not the best person to do it ;) | 20:51 |
| mspreitz | shardy: so you want review on the Icehouse version? What about the current version? | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | cool, let's wrap up and give everyone 8 minutes of their life back | 20:52 |
| shardy | mspreitz: well Icehouse is the current stable (packaged) release | 20:52 |
| mspreitz | Is there some place in Gerrit to put reviews for this? | 20:52 |
| mspreitz | Or do we open bugs? | 20:52 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: almost certainly, in both cases, you can let me know where when you find out ;) | 20:53 |
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| shardy | I'm not actually sure what launchpad component relates to the install guide | 20:53 |
| zaneb | shardy: is the source in our repo or a docs repo? | 20:53 |
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| shardy | zaneb: docs repo | 20:53 |
| shardy | I couldn't find which one when I looked a few days ago, but I didn't try that hard | 20:54 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: is that a meta-bug? | 20:54 |
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| mspreitz | (the place being hard to find) | 20:55 |
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| ryansb | mspreitz++ | 20:55 |
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| mspreitz | If I have difficulty I will open a bug on some doc about doc | 20:55 |
| zaneb | splendid | 20:56 |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:56 |
| shardy | mspreitz: well feel free, I just assumed I lacked sufficient coffee ;) | 20:56 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 27 20:56:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-08-27-20.00.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-08-27-20.00.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-08-27-20.00.log.html | 20:56 |
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