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| HenryG | jlibosva, salv-orlando, ping for (hopefully short) neutron_db meeting. | 12:58 |
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| jlibosva | hello | 12:58 |
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| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 13:01:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:02 | |
| jlibosva | I have one item to discuss | 13:02 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: Let's talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1346658 | 13:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346658 in neutron "All DB model classes should be consolidated into one directory" [Low,In progress] | 13:02 |
| jlibosva | yes! | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | As I suspected, it met resistance. :( | 13:03 |
| jlibosva | I worked on some function that will go through the source tree and import models | 13:03 |
| HenryG | OK. Did you encounter any problems? | 13:03 |
| jlibosva | I made some basic benchmark of three approaches http://paste.openstack.org/show/89984/ | 13:04 |
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| jlibosva | No problems, I think it's just a matter of preference | 13:04 |
| HenryG | Good data! Thanks! | 13:04 |
| jlibosva | One way is that it goes through directories with os.walk | 13:04 |
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| jlibosva | then looks into .py files until it hits "model_base.BASEV2" | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | if it founds this, it imports the module | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | that's the column "import relevant packages " | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | approach No. 2: import all python packages from neutron source tree with pkgutil | 13:05 |
| jlibosva | that's "import all packages" | 13:06 |
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| jlibosva | and last is what we currently have and sort of simulates the approach if we would have models under one directory (current head.py) | 13:06 |
| HenryG | I am surprised that "import head" uses more memory than "import relevant packages". | 13:07 |
| jlibosva | that probably means there are modules that doesn't contain models | 13:07 |
| jlibosva | I was surprised too | 13:07 |
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| HenryG | As expected, import head is by far the fastest. | 13:08 |
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| jlibosva | yes, but cons is it will need the refactoring if we need to get rid of this file | 13:08 |
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| jlibosva | I think we need to define the reason of having models consolidated or if automatically collected models are sufficient for our needs | 13:09 |
| jlibosva | as far as I understand we need to have metadata with all models just for testing. is there any other use? | 13:10 |
| jlibosva | Last meeting salv-orlando said he worked on something and he needed this | 13:10 |
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| HenryG | I only know of testing uses, but please hunt down salv-orlando and get an answer. ;) | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I don’t remember what we were talking about, unfortunately | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: what kind of testing - comparing final schema? | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | sorry, I lost the track a bit :-/ | 13:12 |
| salv-orlando | ah right the thing about consolidated models? and why we need them? | 13:12 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: yup | 13:12 |
| jlibosva | yep | 13:12 |
| salv-orlando | autogenerate | 13:12 |
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| salv-orlando | for new revision. You need to import all models. Eitgher we consolidate or we use head.py to that aim | 13:12 |
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| salv-orlando | I think the latter requires way less code churn. | 13:13 |
| HenryG | How could I forget that! | 13:13 |
| jlibosva | I forgot that too, weird | 13:13 |
| HenryG | It's so easy with "import head", easy to forget. :) | 13:13 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: what is your opinion on automatically walk through code tree and import all models? I sent benchmark http://paste.openstack.org/show/89984/ | 13:14 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: For autogenerate IMHO even the worst case memory and times there are insignificant. | 13:15 |
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| jlibosva | I think that applies for testing too. 80MB doesn't seem that high | 13:16 |
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| HenryG | The only other argument (not sure if it has any validity) is that neutron will be different from other projects using sqlalchemy. The others have their models consolidated. But Neutron has many more models than other projects, with lots of vendors-specific models. | 13:18 |
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| jlibosva | what if we create a requirement that every plugin should have all models importable (somehow) by single import and models for core of neutron will be in neutron/db/ | 13:20 |
| jlibosva | this way head.py will be easier to maintain and also models will be part of plugins | 13:20 |
| jlibosva | but still there will be requirement to put import to head.py in case new plugin is introduced | 13:21 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: I think tree-walk is still going to encounter least resistance. | 13:22 |
| jlibosva | we should choose the best approach not the one with least resistance :) | 13:23 |
| jlibosva | I have no strong opinion on the approach. I just don't like wasting resources. But these days megabytes doesn't seem to be considered as a waste of resource | 13:24 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I think in this case the best approach is the more maintainable one. | 13:24 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: I think brute-force-import-everything-we-got is the most maintainable, right? | 13:25 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: it depends on what brute force is. If brute force means that we need to do a check, possibly manual, every time a new module with models is added, then it’s a bit annoying | 13:26 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: if you consider the queue of plugins and drivers waiting to be merges, that’s going to be quite a few modules | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: no, no. It's automatically imported whole neutron source tree. | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | but there might be a problem | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: ok then unless the code makes people puke it’s fine ;) | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | some vendor-plugins use specific libraries which makes some import to fail | 13:27 |
| HenryG | Moving all models to one directory (once that is done) is also very maintainable. | 13:27 |
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| jlibosva | so if there is a model in module that contains some extra package, we can face problem | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: The downside of that is that we’ll need to implement automated test to ensure no model is out of that package | 13:29 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: explain the problem. My brain is on strike today. | 13:29 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: e.g. embrane plugin uses heleosapi package | 13:30 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: when importing embrane modules that use this package, import fails. if a module will contain model definition and at the same time special package (heleosapi), it won't import the model | 13:31 |
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| salv-orlando | that is because heleosapi is not part of requirements.txt? | 13:31 |
| jlibosva | yes | 13:32 |
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| jlibosva | so far there is no such issue. all models are in modules that are importable with installed packages from requirements | 13:32 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: this is unrelated, but have you checked that it is on pypi? That’s what I agreed with the embrane devs when we reviewed their plugin | 13:32 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: I did not | 13:32 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: if it’s not this might a wtf moment ;) | 13:33 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: sounds like wtf moment | 13:34 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: anyway, I think this limitation if fine. I think no module of neutron should ever raise an import error. | 13:34 |
| jlibosva | but I need to make sure | 13:34 |
| salv-orlando | you know what I’m wondering now? | 13:34 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I’m wondering how the embrane UT pass | 13:35 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: they mock the module | 13:35 |
| jlibosva | sys.modules['heleosapi'] = mock.Mock() | 13:35 |
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| jlibosva | I think I saw that somewhere | 13:35 |
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| HenryG | I know cisco plugins use a package called ncclient that is also not in requirements. But at least it's in pypi. | 13:36 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: right. Summarizing, I think the approach you’re suggesting is feasible. This problem that you’ve pointed out is actually a problem of the module that should not raise importerror. | 13:36 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva, HenryG: worst case we’ll do a bit of refactoring to move models in their own module | 13:37 |
| jlibosva | so final decision is "import everything"? | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | it should be as easy as doing cut & paste | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: final-ish. | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | this is the best proposal that came out of the meeting. Then let’s go to the mailing list and see if somebody has a different opinion. | 13:38 |
| salv-orlando | we should ask markmcclain at least, if not else because he did the original code. | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | ok, I'll send an email | 13:38 |
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| HenryG | #action jlibosva to send email about strategy for importing models | 13:39 |
| HenryG | Thanks jlibosva ! | 13:39 |
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| HenryG | Any more questions about this item? | 13:40 |
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| jlibosva | not from me | 13:40 |
| HenryG | OK | 13:41 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/109952 ? | 13:41 |
| HenryG | Mark gave it a -2 | 13:41 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: ok | 13:41 |
| HenryG | Ann is out this week | 13:41 |
| HenryG | If you could talk to Mark before she returns, that would be great | 13:42 |
| jlibosva | that could be also interesting topic to discuss | 13:43 |
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| HenryG | Some discussion can take place in the code review, maybe? | 13:47 |
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| HenryG | One more thing I would like to bring up is the urgency to clean up autogenerate. | 13:48 |
| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/108700 | 13:49 |
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| HenryG | Even though it currently uses head.py, it should get merged as-is for now. | 13:50 |
| HenryG | It is almost impossible for developers to use autogenerate at the moment. | 13:51 |
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| jlibosva | I agree, the attention from core is low on that patch though. | 13:51 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: ^^ hint hint | 13:51 |
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| HenryG | I will also try to ping Mark for attention | 13:52 |
| jlibosva | HenryG++ | 13:52 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I removed the +2 and the went on holyday | 13:52 |
| salv-orlando | because I had one concern about hte line 40/41 you’re removing from env.py | 13:53 |
| salv-orlando | and I suspected this would cause to not import the modles anymore | 13:53 |
| salv-orlando | modles/models | 13:53 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: that's replaced by head, it contains all models | 13:53 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: right… should work | 13:54 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: it just works! | 13:54 |
| HenryG | And the final item on my list is another request to salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108690/2/neutron/plugins/vmware/dbexts/models.py | 13:56 |
| HenryG | Can you use your inside connections to find the right person to check that? | 13:56 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: I should be able to answer all questions, but I need to refresh my mind. Therefore I’ll ping arosen later on today. | 13:58 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Much appreciated! | 13:58 |
| HenryG | That is all from me today/ | 13:58 |
| HenryG | Time is over. If there is anything else we can talk in #openstack-neutron | 13:59 |
| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 13:59 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: salv-orlando thanks! | 13:59 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 13:59:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-04-13.01.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-04-13.01.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-04-13.01.log.html | 13:59 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 15:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda! https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Woo agenda | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | Roll call, anyone other than myself here? | 15:01 |
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| * krotscheck notices that Ish__ just walked into the office, will be a couple of minutes late. | 15:01 | |
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| gothicmindfood | o/ | 15:02 |
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| krotscheck | Oh, good! Hi there gothicmindfood! | 15:02 |
| gothicmindfood | hi! | 15:02 |
| * krotscheck was about to be worried about being alone in here. | 15:02 | |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 15:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:02 |
| ttx | sorry, back-to-back meetings | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so the puppet module didn’t happen last week, largely due to me focusing on search and totally forgetting about it until the last minute. | 15:03 |
| krotscheck | Having said that, infra’s stated that they’ll be available as soon as I am. | 15:03 |
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| krotscheck | I’m setting up a dev environment so that I can test the current patch in time with the module update. | 15:04 |
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| krotscheck | Once I have that, I’ll ping someone on -infra and we’ll go from there. | 15:04 |
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| krotscheck | Any questions before I move on? | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Relevant review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98007 | 15:04 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: sounds like a plan | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | Okie dokie. | 15:05 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: thanks for the local testing -- that'll be a big help | 15:05 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP (Search) | 15:05 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so we’re now on mysql 5.6, we’ve got a fulltext index, we’ve got the search endpoints. | 15:06 |
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| krotscheck | I’ve incorporated NikitaKonovalov’s front end changes into my refactor of our search criteria: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110160/ | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | Now, having said that. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | Fulltext indexes only work on full words. | 15:07 |
| krotscheck | So if I search for “story”, the search will not hit “storyboard" | 15:07 |
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| krotscheck | Furthermore, our API doesn’t yet support fulltext + filter on, say if I want to search on stories that are active with the term “story" | 15:08 |
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| krotscheck | I attempted to implement that last week only to run into what I think is a limitation in the fulltext library we’re using. | 15:09 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t know if mysql actually lets you do that) | 15:09 | |
| krotscheck | So there’s two options there. One: If it’s implementable on the services side, do that. Otherwise, create a text-only search UI on the frontend. | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | Which of the two need to be done remains to be seen. | 15:10 |
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| krotscheck | Any questions on that? | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | Oh, also there seems to be some kind of a bug in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101476/ | 15:11 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Launchpad Data Import | 15:11 |
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| * krotscheck cedes the floor to mordred | 15:11 | |
| ttx | yeeha | 15:11 |
| * mordred has not gotten to this yet | 15:12 | |
| * mordred hides | 15:12 | |
| krotscheck | Alrightey! | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic subscription | 15:12 |
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| krotscheck | UI is ready. We’ve rebased Ish1’s changes onto NikitaKonovalov’s patch. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Well, sorry. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Starring UI is ready. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | Not thea ctuall consumption of the subscription. | 15:12 |
| krotscheck | We did run into one issue in that oslo.messaging blocks in a weird way, while also not providing the full feature set of rabbitmq. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | Apparenlty, the openstack project does not use topic exchanges. | 15:13 |
| krotscheck | I’m sure there’s a good reason for it, does anyone know what that is? | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | Either way, Ish1 and I decided to ditch oslo.messaging altogether because we’re not really gaining anything from the abstracion layer while losing some of rabbit’s functionality. | 15:15 |
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| krotscheck | And that’s now available in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102842/ | 15:15 |
| * krotscheck notes that ttx has a minor nit inline. | 15:16 | |
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| krotscheck | Any questions on this? | 15:16 |
| Ish1 | I saw that comment. Will modify it. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 15:17 |
| ttx | no comment | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | #topic Project Groups | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Groups (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:17 | |
| krotscheck | So, project group admin landed. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | WOOO! | 15:18 |
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| ttx | yay | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | That still leaves us with the need to surface it to the non-admin user. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | We do have a story for that, it’s just not as high a priority given the other things. | 15:18 |
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| krotscheck | One question on that (ttx, jeblair), do you guys want to manage project groups manually or would you rather that become automated in some way? | 15:19 |
| mordred | we tend to prefer automating stuch things | 15:19 |
| ttx | but then there are corner cases we'll have to handle manually | 15:20 |
| mordred | yah | 15:20 |
| ttx | like "security supported code repositories" | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | Sounds like we want some kind of import script for that as well. | 15:20 |
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| ttx | I guess we could sync program-derived projectgroups from programs.yaml | 15:20 |
| ttx | source: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml | 15:21 |
| ttx | but that's about it, everything else would be manual | 15:21 |
| ttx | i.e. convenience grouping | 15:21 |
| * krotscheck ponders that… | 15:21 | |
| ttx | krotscheck: imho it's the same case as the teams. Some of those would be owned and synced by some external process that would call in the API | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | I don’t really like the crossing of nomenclature there - that format uses “repo” for instance which isn’t entirely synonymous with “project”, especially if you consider storyboard from a standalone context. | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | I like the data structure though. | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Either way: We still need a sync script. | 15:23 |
| jeblair | i believe mordred added a 'group: foo' entry to review.projects.yaml | 15:23 |
| ttx | krotscheck: agree that it's not a complete nomenclature overlap | 15:23 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to add sync script to the groups story. | 15:23 | |
| jeblair | with the expectation that it would be used to add a project to a storyboard group | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Oh really! | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Well, that simplifies things. | 15:23 |
| krotscheck | Alright, Will note that as well. | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic tags | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | however, i'm betting we want that to be a sequence, not a single item? | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic Project Groups | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | (Sorry, premature topic switch) | 15:24 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: What do you mean by sequence? | 15:24 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: multi-value | 15:24 |
| krotscheck | Right, because one might be a member of more than one project. | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | s/project/project group/ | 15:25 |
| jeblair | more than one group, yeah | 15:25 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, it should. | 15:25 |
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| jeblair | so probably should land a change to the yaml file to change that, then we can start using it | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | Anyone want to volunteer for that? I don’t mind taking it, I’m going to be rooting around in /config anyway | 15:26 |
| jeblair | i don't think anything actuall _validates_ the yaml, so it's probably not hard | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | ….doh. I just volunteered, didn’t I. | 15:27 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Is there anything other than storyboard that’s using the group: field in review.projects.yaml? | 15:27 |
| mordred | krotscheck: uhm ... | 15:27 |
| mordred | krotscheck: it sure felt like there maybe was, but come to think of it, I think no | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so a bit of forensics necessary. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Righto. | 15:28 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Tags | 15:28 |
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| krotscheck | I don’t think we’ve had any progress on that. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Same with emails | 15:29 |
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| ttx | wasn't the spec approved on tags? | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | Oh yeah! | 15:29 |
| ttx | ah no, Clark +2ed it | 15:29 |
| ttx | but that's still missing the second +2 from infra-core | 15:30 |
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| krotscheck | Point. | 15:30 |
| krotscheck | @link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97211/8/specs/storyboard_story_tags.rst | 15:30 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: "#link" | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | oops | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97211/8/specs/storyboard_story_tags.rst | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | Let’s try that again | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | jeblair, mordred: How does y’all’s review backlog look? | 15:32 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i should be able to look at that today; i just missed it in my recent pass at finding "specs that are ripe for review". | 15:33 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Thanks! | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | #topic Emails | 15:34 |
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| krotscheck | Not started yet I believe. | 15:34 |
| krotscheck | #topic Design Discussion | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:34 | |
| krotscheck | Anyone have a topic to bring up during design discussion? | 15:34 |
| * krotscheck doesn't. | 15:34 | |
| ttx | o/ | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | Go for it! | 15:35 |
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| ttx | Not sure that qualifies, but I raised a question about the need to manage users from the admin interface | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | Ah, yes! | 15:36 |
| ttx | I was just wondering about the use case there | 15:36 |
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| krotscheck | So, the reason I added that is to allow someone like infra-core to create a jenkins user without having to go through launchpad. | 15:36 |
| ttx | ok | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | The end use case being “Hey I want to issue a long-lasting auth token for this user so we can integrate zuul/jenkins/etc | 15:37 |
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| ttx | just felt a bit weird to have an UI for it as we expect 99.99% of users to be autocreated, but I guess that doesn't hurt | 15:37 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair, mordred: ^ Thoughts on that? | 15:38 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t mind removing it from the UI, but the API does allow superusers to create new users directly. | 15:38 | |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i think we'd be fine with API-only access to do that (especially once we have a python client). i don't think i _object_ to a ui though... | 15:39 |
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| krotscheck | Ditto there. | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | *here | 15:39 |
| ttx | krotscheck: yeah, now that the code is up, maybe we can keep it in -- just don't want junior admins to ask questions about that panel | 15:39 |
| ttx | maybe we could just add a warning note saying most users will get autocreated | 15:40 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i don't really want admin users to be _too_ special | 15:40 |
| * krotscheck agrees with ttx. | 15:40 | |
| krotscheck | I can add some messaging to that UI. | 15:40 |
| jeblair | for instance, i have very little access granted in gerrit by virtue of being an admin -- mostly i can add myself to a group that grants me more access, but day-to-day, i'm pretty much just a user. | 15:40 |
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| krotscheck | After all, since we index off of emails, once someone with an email logs in via launchpad it de-facto takes over the update authority to that user. | 15:41 |
| jeblair | i relate that just to indicate that having a "safe" environment where you don't have to worry about admins having a too-different view of the system from users is nice. | 15:41 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: that might be a problem | 15:42 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Yeah, that’s a tricky one. Because it’s also a good thing to preload users when we want to do the data import. | 15:43 |
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| jeblair | we should dig in to that at some point; it's probably okay for launchpad | 15:43 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: gotcha | 15:43 |
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| krotscheck | Maybe we should add a user flag that disables launchpad for specific users... | 15:43 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: yeah, we'd want to protect the admin-created ones from being taken over via openid | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | Righto! | 15:44 |
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| krotscheck | Any disagreements to that? | 15:45 |
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| jeblair | (especially since the goal is to avoid needing to create them in LP; you wouldn't want to then need to create them in LP to prevent someone else from registering that email and taking it over) | 15:45 |
| ttx | krotscheck: ++ | 15:45 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let’s move on to ongoing work. | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | ttx, I’ll -2 that patch to indicate the discussion here. | 15:46 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing work. | 15:46 |
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| krotscheck | Let’s do reverse alphabetical today. | 15:47 |
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| krotscheck | ttx? | 15:47 |
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| ttx | sure | 15:47 |
| ttx | I managed to empty my review backlog | 15:47 |
| ttx | but not much above that | 15:48 |
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| krotscheck | That’s helpful :) | 15:49 |
| ttx | that's all I had :) | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | My turn… | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | I did all the thigns I mentioned above. | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | Also, making progress on splitting the javascript builds apart into individual reports. | 15:49 |
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| jeblair | about that | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | Yes? | 15:50 |
| jeblair | can you describe the motivation there a bit? | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | Yeah- | 15:51 |
| krotscheck | It’s mainly a question of getting all the reports to be easily accessible via the review UI. | 15:51 |
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| krotscheck | Right now, if the build passes, it’s not very easy to get at the test reports, because the link takes you straight ot the draft UI. | 15:51 |
| jeblair | ah! yeah, that's a very good reason | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | So that’s why I split out the draft build into its own thing. | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | And the other ones, well, while I was in there I figured that I could make them a bit more configurable. | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | And leave it to the individual projects to figure out what tests they wanted to run. | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | clarkb left a really good comment on the first patch | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | That lead to this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111407/1/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/javascript.yaml | 15:53 |
| krotscheck | Less specific-template-per-test-type and more hey-name-your-own-test-target | 15:54 |
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| krotscheck | That’s it for me. | 15:54 |
| jeblair | sounds reasonable. i don't have an opinion on this wrt to storyboard; just noting that there's a balance between splitting things up (which may be convenient or necessary due to build node/configuration issues) | 15:54 |
| jeblair | and on the other hand, combining things to reduce the impact/overhead from having multiple build nodes | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Yeah, especially since npm is still volatile… it’s a questionable thing for us. | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | But I’m working on that one too (just not recently) | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | ish____? | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Your turn :) | 15:55 |
| ish____ | The publisher and subscriber modules are ready for the subscription project. That's it from my side. | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Anyone have questions on that? | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102842/ | 15:56 |
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| * krotscheck will let everyone go look at that review in downtime | 15:57 | |
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| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
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| krotscheck | What’s up? | 15:57 |
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| * ttx switches to another call -- cheers | 15:58 | |
| krotscheck | Alright, I think that’s all then. | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 15:58 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| ttx | Thanks krotscheck | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 15:58:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-04-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-04-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-08-04-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| ish____ | Thanks | 15:58 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 16:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| akuznetsova_ | hello) | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait for a couple of mins for others | 16:00 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | hi! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov, finish reverse workflow implementation | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | it's not done yet but I"m close because I've almost finished all the preparations (specs, handler and db models) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, finish reverse workflow implementation | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov, get update on integration testing | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | 3. rakhmerov, let akuznetsova know that devstack gate keeps failing so that she can find the reason | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | done, we've figured out the reason, I'm going to fix it this week | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, fix devstack gate problem (caused by changed in DB layer) | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks) | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: last week I worked on specifications (versioning, v1/v2, tests) and DB layer refactoring (switched from dicts, versioning, v2 models) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | hoping to get reverse workflow done this week | 16:06 |
| dzimine | my status: last week: staying current with Renat’s changes, review, discuss, feedback. | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | most of the code exists, I just need to carefully move it to the new engine | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi dzimine | 16:07 |
| akuznetsova_ | I finished with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-mistralclient-integration-tests and almost done with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-cli-integration-tests (wait for merge my commit in tempest) | 16:07 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | I worked on openstack-action blueprint, main part is finished now - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111231/ | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, would be nice to see your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111218/ (and Nikolay's too) | 16:07 |
| dzimine | This week: look at the yaml syntax for Multiple data blueprint, and may be take a stub on DSL v2 syntax. | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks, that would be really helpful | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | any roadblocks from anyone? | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | issues, questions? | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsova_ | no | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | from my side, last week I felt I really got stuck with DB layer refactoring | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so I would ask everyone to provide an early feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111218/ | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | in fact, I realized that the approach used in there leads to interesting things | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | basically, we need to version almost everything | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | REST API, DSL specs, db models and even tests | 16:13 |
| dzimine | renat as for reverse workflow - if it takes a whole week, I’d punt on it’s full implementaion till later and only see how we conceptually support two types of workflow (DSL, and calls). Which may be done with some stub impl. may be. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I see, yes | 16:13 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: cli and mistralclient too, i guess) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | agree | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, what I've been doing so far is related with the whole V2 thing, not only reverse workflow | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | it will be needed for direct workflow and whatever else | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | but I agree, we can implement a stub for reverse workflow now and move on to the linear | 16:15 |
| dzimine | my comment was on your plans to implement reverse workflow this week | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, you're absolutely correct :) mistralclient and CLI will have to be versioned as well | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | which scares me a little bit but I just don't see other ways | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, ok | 16:16 |
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| dzimine | keep in mind this refactoring is special, and this time we need to version everythign, after we transition we delete some, right? | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | after we make sure that at least Solum is happy | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:17 |
| dzimine | when the transition is complete, we surely want to keep a version of API, but old DSL, engine, DB, tests, etc may be gone? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, if full reverse workflow takes too long just limit by a stub impl and move on to linear | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, this is actually interesting | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | even though it's not going to make too much sense in perspective we can actually keep supporting v1 | 16:19 |
| dzimine | We can currently have stub impl for both reverse and linear, use DSL with one task in both, and figure out ‘external’ mechanics of creating and managing workflows. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | because we'll have parallel entities in the code | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | however, I'm not sure about some parts like engine->executor protocol, for instance | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | just to make sure... what do you mean by "external" mechanics? | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | you mean all high-level communications like engine->handler? | 16:21 |
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| dzimine | yes. | 16:22 |
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| dzimine | use case: dsl has two workflows, each has a task, types are different, just make sure they are instantiated, parsed, etc. | 16:22 |
| dzimine | when they are executed, proper sections go to proper handlers. | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | yes, ok | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, are there any other important things you'd like to discuss? | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | if no, I'd suggest we save our time and finish the meeting earlier | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | we've got plenty of work to do (at least I do :) ) | 16:26 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | I have a question | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | sure | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | fire away | 16:27 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | how do we test all openstack actions? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, yes | 16:27 |
| nmakhotkin_ | I guess it can be integrated tests | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | this is a good one | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yes, IMO it should be implemented as a part of integration tests | 16:28 |
| nmakhotkin_ | and if yes, we need to extend our devstack | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | the only issue I see is that devstack doesn't have some components like heat | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | (I may be wrong though) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:29 |
| akuznetsova_ | probably, we can make a special workflow and run then in integration tests in gate | 16:29 |
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| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: it is not true | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | what exactly? | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | heat? | 16:29 |
| nmakhotkin_ | akuznetsova, yes :) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:29 |
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| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: actually, i am not sure about heat, i will check it | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | please do | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | heat is one of the main things we need to integrate with | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: maybe we can install it separatly | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, we need to understand how to install additional services on devstack | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | I realize it may not be an easy thing to do for every service | 16:30 |
| dzimine | IMO: assuming we are using python-clients for heat/nova etc, we don’t need to retest that those clienst work, we need to test that we are invoking them with the right params. | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: yes, that's what I said | 16:30 |
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| dzimine | also: for ideas, check how Heat team is testing nova actions. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, hm... kind of true, but dunno. | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | right | 16:31 |
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| dzimine | I would just mock up the clients and see if we get to calling them. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | you know, at least I would have a few integration tests for some typical actions | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | a couple for Nova, a couple for cinder etc. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | I think it depends on how hard it is to write this kind of test | 16:33 |
| dzimine | BTW nikolay do you rely on each client or on python-openstackclient? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | if it's something hairy to do then yes, it's not worth it | 16:33 |
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| akuznetsova_ | nmakhotkin_: can we discuss you 'openstack action'? I want to know more about your vision and propose how to test it and what to test | 16:33 |
| nmakhotkin_ | dzimine, on each client | 16:34 |
| dzimine | thnx | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I think at this point it is correct | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, don't worry about it for now. Firstly, I think Nikolay should write these tests himself | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | at least a few most important | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | then we'll see what it takes and decide if we need more | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | if yes, then you could take them over | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | and write more | 16:36 |
| nmakhotkin_ | rakhmerov, +1 | 16:36 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: nmakhotkin_ ok | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova_, figure out whether devstack has heat installed out of the box | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova_, figure out how to install additional services (i.e. Sahara) on devstack gate and estimate how hard it is | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | this is good | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish for today | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
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| akuznetsova_ | thanks, bye | 16:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 16:40:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-04-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-04-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-04-16.00.log.html | 16:40 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | bye! | 16:43 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 16:59:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
| sarob | roll call! | 17:00 |
| rolu | hey | 17:00 |
| sarob | rolu: new handle, eh? | 17:00 |
| dbite | hey | 17:00 |
| rolu | sarob: yeah, per accident :) | 17:01 |
| sarob | very slimming, ;) | 17:01 |
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| sarob | rolu sounds pretty cool, i like it | 17:01 |
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| sarob | any of our new friends from symantec, ibm, or intel joining us? | 17:02 |
| sarob | or HP? | 17:02 |
| sarob | how about our friends from comcast? | 17:02 |
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| MeganR | Hi, I'm here | 17:03 |
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| MeganR | Shilla is still out and Scott is in training | 17:03 |
| sarob | meganr: morning! | 17:03 |
| MeganR | Good morning! | 17:03 |
| sarob | or afternoon | 17:03 |
| dbite | good morning | 17:03 |
| rolu | or evening, as the case may be | 17:03 |
| sarob | so i wanted to discuss briefly the idea of mentoring that has been making the rounds | 17:04 |
| sarob | reed are you with us? | 17:04 |
| sarob | no matter | 17:04 |
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| sarob | i have been getting alot of interest from different groups about joining congress and training | 17:05 |
| sarob | im sure the same is for other projects as well | 17:05 |
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| sarob | we have been partially focusing on new contributors | 17:05 |
| sarob | getting them into the openstack way | 17:05 |
| sarob | i think we need to think about working with the foundation on a mentoring program | 17:06 |
| sarob | a few of us might have the time to be a mentor | 17:06 |
| sarob | but im thinking for our team | 17:06 |
| dbite | sarob: we have OPW and GSoc and also there is openSUSE internship program | 17:06 |
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| sarob | that we can help with some kind of pair programming ideas for getting in the openstack way | 17:07 |
| dbite | too early for me to say but I can try to put this up across SUSE and openSUSE community once I get some clarity there | 17:07 |
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| sarob | dbite: so we can coop their work? | 17:07 |
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| sarob | i dont want us to travel some new direction | 17:08 |
| sarob | rather if we can help ourselves | 17:09 |
| dbite | mostly we try to push our content | 17:09 |
| dbite | and get people to use it for official programs | 17:09 |
| dbite | that could be good start | 17:09 |
| sarob | with mentoring a new contributor from intel or hp or the like | 17:09 |
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| sarob | i can line up a new person with our training materials and a live person to hand hold them for a bit | 17:10 |
| sarob | i can ask reed to help us with finding the warm bodies | 17:10 |
| dbite | ok | 17:10 |
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| sarob | does this make any sense, or too much coffee for sarob? | 17:11 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:11 |
| dbite | matjazp: hello | 17:11 |
| matjazp | sorry I'm late | 17:11 |
| sarob | matjazp: evening! | 17:11 |
| dbite | sarob: makes sense | 17:11 |
| dbite | but how much help should be given? | 17:11 |
| dbite | most of the things are up there on the wiki and are in pretty good shape | 17:11 |
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| sarob | dbite: the foundation and some others have been discussing mentoring | 17:12 |
| sarob | dbite: give a bit of thought of what materials would be useful to start | 17:12 |
| sarob | dbite: its all of our stuff | 17:12 |
| dbite | hmm, mentoring for new contributors you mean | 17:13 |
| sarob | dbite: right | 17:13 |
| dbite | or for the training them for OpenStack? | 17:13 |
| dbite | ok | 17:13 |
| dbite | I dont mind that, which projects are you talking about? | 17:13 |
| sarob | dbite: if i was to write up a wiki page for a user group mentor, what would i tell them and steps | 17:13 |
| sarob | dbite: think of it this way | 17:14 |
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| sarob | intel is interested in getting a developer to help us with the training-guides | 17:14 |
| sarob | awesome right? | 17:14 |
| dbite | awesome news | 17:14 |
| sarob | but i need to hand hold this new person | 17:14 |
| dbite | the wiki page should contain links to other getting started wikis and docs | 17:15 |
| dbite | a bit of introduction | 17:15 |
| dbite | on why we need to follow these links | 17:15 |
| matjazp | sarob: cool... it's one developer, or plural... developers? :) | 17:15 |
| sarob | so i am going to make a date and time to walk them through getting started | 17:15 |
| dbite | various procedures and may be showcase IRC stuff | 17:15 |
| sarob | dbite, matjazp: exactly | 17:15 |
| dbite | sure, sounds good | 17:16 |
| sarob | so i am going to do it. i should write it down | 17:16 |
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| sarob | so other mentors can follow and improve | 17:16 |
| dbite | yeah, just share the WIKI page with us so that we can pitch in | 17:16 |
| dbite | yeah | 17:16 |
| sarob | coolo | 17:16 |
| sarob | i want to get the managers attention from these interested companies | 17:17 |
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| sarob | and then set the hook | 17:17 |
| reed | this wiki page? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides | 17:17 |
| sarob | for the developer to be part of openstack | 17:17 |
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| dbite | reed: thats more for training project's contributors | 17:18 |
| sarob | reed: i will probably set the page there eventually | 17:18 |
| sarob | reed: i will start with wiki page for right now | 17:18 |
| sarob | reed: we have lots of good info | 17:18 |
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| reed | ok, I was just checking since there are lots of moving parts | 17:18 |
| reed | I myself get confused | 17:19 |
| sarob | reed: i want to create a mentor/trainer starting place | 17:19 |
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| reed | sarob, there should already be a random page | 17:19 |
| sarob | reed: we are very, very close to that | 17:19 |
| reed | let me pull it | 17:19 |
| sarob | reed: i will training this new intel dev and write down what i do | 17:20 |
| sarob | reed: train that is | 17:20 |
| sarob | sorry to sidetrack us folks | 17:20 |
| reed | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 17:20 |
| sarob | i want to build the depth of this team, and this seems like a way to do it | 17:21 |
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| reed | the Mentors on that page responded to a call on the dev list recently, a request to help new contributors get their patches accepted faster | 17:22 |
| sarob | reed: after i write up my notes, you want me to link to the mentor page? | 17:22 |
| reed | sarob, can you expand a bit about what your notes are about? | 17:22 |
| dbite | sarob: the idea of mentors getting the newbie's patches in faster is really nice | 17:23 |
| dbite | I think that should cushion their fall | 17:23 |
| dbite | a bit | 17:23 |
| sarob | reed: i am going to train a new intel dev becoming a new contributor to openstack | 17:24 |
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| reed | dbite, there was recently a conversation about this topic on the dev list, a couple of tasks also generated from that | 17:24 |
| dbite | reed: ok, sorry I must have missed that | 17:24 |
| sarob | reed: the tasks, can we create a community blueprint with tasks for mentoring? | 17:25 |
| reed | sarob, cool... using the training material? | 17:25 |
| sarob | reed: or storyboard even better | 17:25 |
| sarob | reed: yup | 17:26 |
| reed | sarob, not worth creating blueprints honestly, it takes longer to create a bp than to act on them :) | 17:26 |
| dbite | it is a good idea to put it under training guides | 17:26 |
| reed | the tasks are just to collect the couple questions and answers raised on the mlist and put them on Ask | 17:26 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: can we use storyboard? Isn't that only in plans for fall? | 17:27 |
| reed | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026931.html | 17:27 |
| reed | #note check Open Hatch as a resource to collaborate too | 17:28 |
| reed | matjazp_, storyboard is still in heavy development, and it may break | 17:28 |
| sarob | reed: it seems to be broken right now :/ | 17:29 |
| reed | matjazp_, a decision to use it (or not) should be made after talking to its developers | 17:29 |
| reed | sarob, indeed :) | 17:29 |
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| matjazp_ | reed: yup, i know, that is why I asked... maybe we should use bp's untill its stable | 17:30 |
| krotscheck | that would be me :) | 17:30 |
| sarob | okay, well i dont want to get sidetracked more here | 17:30 |
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| dbite | krotscheck: hello | 17:30 |
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| sarob | krotscheck: has rightfully warned me off using storyboard until it is ready for production | 17:31 |
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| sarob | reed: i will write up my trainer notes and we can go from there of how to build on them | 17:31 |
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| sarob | lets get back to the regularly scheduled program | 17:32 |
| sarob | #action sarob will train a new dev from intel this week and post the trainer notes as a start for mentoring | 17:33 |
| sarob | #topic stable docs team update | 17:33 |
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| dbite | 1. so stable team should be renamed | 17:34 |
| dbite | I think we agreed to call it simply docs team | 17:35 |
| dbite | or training docs team | 17:35 |
| rolu | weren't we supposed to have an email discussion on that? | 17:35 |
| rolu | ML discussion, actually. | 17:35 |
| dbite | rolu: yes, my bad. I got too busy last week | 17:35 |
| reed | sarob, what's epiclisde? | 17:36 |
| matjazp_ | dbite: we can vote now, if you would like? | 17:36 |
| sarob | dbite: ah right, the new name idea is "training docs" instead of stable | 17:36 |
| dbite | I think so, I mean it does not affect other projects | 17:36 |
| dbite | so putting it up on ML may be over kill IMHO | 17:36 |
| dbite | matjazp_: yes, should we vote on this rite now? | 17:36 |
| sarob | okay we can vote | 17:36 |
| dbite | so I propose training docs for stable content | 17:37 |
| rolu | dbite: what would be the name for old "development"? | 17:37 |
| sarob | dbite: "training docs" as the new name for the "stable" training team? | 17:37 |
| dbite | sarob: yes | 17:38 |
| sarob | #startvote rename the "stable" training team to "training docs" | 17:38 |
| dbite | rolu: may be draft or current | 17:38 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:38 |
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| dbite | +1 | 17:38 |
| sarob | #startvote rename the stable training team to training docs | 17:38 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:38 |
| dbite | I think startvote command failed | 17:38 |
| sarob | dbite: :/ | 17:39 |
| sarob | #startvote "rename the stable training team to training docs" | 17:39 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:39 |
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| dbite | sarob: :| | 17:39 |
| rolu | :D | 17:39 |
| sarob | whatever | 17:39 |
| dbite | lets just say +1 or -1 | 17:39 |
| dbite | for now | 17:39 |
| sarob | vote with +/- my friends | 17:39 |
| sarob | dbite right | 17:40 |
| dbite | and add it as a an action item | 17:40 |
| matjazp_ | #action we should look into this #voting stuff on irc :) | 17:40 |
| dbite | +1 | 17:40 |
| rolu | +1 | 17:40 |
| matjazp_ | +1 | 17:40 |
| sarob | +1 | 17:40 |
| MeganR | +1 | 17:40 |
| sarob | moost excceeelent | 17:40 |
| sarob | +5 to 0 | 17:40 |
| dbite | then its decided | 17:40 |
| sarob | dbite: can you update the training guides wiki? | 17:41 |
| rolu | #startvote rename the stable training team to training docs? Yes, No, Maybe | 17:41 |
| rolu | that syntax should do it. | 17:41 |
| reed | #link http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 17:41 |
| sarob | #startvote rename the stable training team to training docs? Yes, No, Maybe | 17:41 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: rename the stable training team to training docs? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 17:41 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:41 |
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| sarob | yes | 17:41 |
| dbite | #vote Yes | 17:41 |
| rolu | #vote Yes | 17:41 |
| sarob | #vote yes | 17:41 |
| matjazp_ | #vote Yes | 17:41 |
| MeganR | #vote yes | 17:41 |
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| sarob | #endvote | 17:42 |
| openstack | Voted on "rename the stable training team to training docs?" Results are | 17:42 |
| openstack | Yes (5): sarob, MeganR, rolu, matjazp_, dbite | 17:42 |
| sarob | super awesome | 17:42 |
| sarob | what else my friend? | 17:43 |
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| dbite | move on? | 17:43 |
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| dbite | we have renamed most of the XML files for stable content and nearly done with cleaning up of filenames | 17:43 |
| dbite | I want some clarification on release tracking | 17:44 |
| dbite | when to create git version tags | 17:44 |
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| sarob | annegentle: when do we want to create git version tags? | 17:46 |
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| sarob | dbite: more specifically when can we publish to icehouse? | 17:47 |
| dbite | sarob: yeah, so we create Icehouse tag and start with Juno | 17:47 |
| sarob | dbite: annegentle is offline right now | 17:48 |
| dbite | I need some help intially with this | 17:48 |
| dbite | ok, I will initiate a conv. later | 17:48 |
| sarob | dbite: lets discuss with doc channel and ml | 17:48 |
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| dbite | #action dbite, ask for git version tags to Manuals PTL and core team | 17:48 |
| sarob | dbite: so we can coordinate with the broader team | 17:48 |
| rolu | shouldn't we use branches rather than tags? | 17:48 |
| dbite | my bad, by tags I mean branches and tags | 17:49 |
| rolu | dbite: ah, okay :) | 17:49 |
| sarob | rolu: ah right i was lost there for a bit | 17:49 |
| dbite | rolu: tags are used for a stable release like RC1 etc. if I am not wrong | 17:49 |
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| rolu | tags are just labels. | 17:49 |
| dbite | yes | 17:50 |
| rolu | but if you want to go back and fix something in icehouse, you need branches. | 17:50 |
| sarob | rolu: during build we use tags | 17:50 |
| dbite | I think we should move on to other teams, we have limited time | 17:50 |
| sarob | dbite: we will need to get a bit a planning around cherrypicking | 17:50 |
| dbite | sarob: yes, that sounds like a discussion for the Summit | 17:51 |
| sarob | #action dbite: cherrypicking plan | 17:51 |
| sarob | #topic any other business since i took up all the time in the beginning of the meeting | 17:51 |
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| sarob | matjazp or rolu? | 17:52 |
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| matjazp_ | sarob: I updated wiki a bit. I decided to go with bugs, not bp's | 17:52 |
| rolu | sarob: scripts are not as far along as I would like, but we are making progress. | 17:52 |
| sarob | as a get new people, do either of you want me to send me your way? | 17:53 |
| sarob | send you one i mean | 17:53 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: sure | 17:53 |
| dbite | sarob: in future, right now its not possible for me | 17:54 |
| sarob | rolu? | 17:54 |
| rolu | depends on what you expect from my side. we are stretched thin in labs scripts. | 17:54 |
| dbite | rolu: it would be good if you can take up mentoring someone for the labs section | 17:54 |
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| matjazp_ | sarob: but to write questions/quizzes you need to know Openstack | 17:55 |
| rolu | we could do with some help, I had a trivial patch more then 4 days in the review queue with no takers. | 17:55 |
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| matjazp_ | are they "fresh" on OS? | 17:55 |
| sarob | #action sarob send new training help to testing and infra teams | 17:55 |
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| dbite | rolu: patches will more in faster now | 17:56 |
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| sarob | matjazp_: these are people with python experience | 17:56 |
| rolu | yeah, now that you are back :). | 17:56 |
| dbite | by the way, I almost forgot, me and a rally core recently took a openstack Developer 101 | 17:56 |
| dbite | in one of the local university in India | 17:56 |
| sarob | i have been massively distracted | 17:56 |
| matjazp_ | rolu: I'm still on vacation.. but I have more regular internet access now.. | 17:56 |
| sarob | dbite: like attended a class or ran it? | 17:57 |
| dbite | matjazp_: dont worry much about reviews, I will cover them till the next week or two | 17:57 |
| reed | dbite, interesting... who was the teacher? | 17:57 |
| dbite | sarob: ran it ofcourse ;D | 17:57 |
| reed | oh | 17:57 |
| sarob | dbite: awesome, blog it ! | 17:57 |
| dbite | my bad, should have phrased it a bit better | 17:57 |
| reed | I second that, dbite, write about it :) | 17:57 |
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| sarob | dbite: you can use mine if you need a place to write it up | 17:58 |
| dbite | yes, I will | 17:58 |
| sarob | or use wordpress online | 17:58 |
| sarob | cool | 17:58 |
| dbite | I have my blog | 17:58 |
| dbite | http://dguitarbite.wordpress.com/ | 17:58 |
| sarob | :( didnt know | 17:58 |
| dbite | sarob: nps :) | 17:58 |
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| reed | dbite, is it on planet.openstack.org? | 17:58 |
| sarob | its on my list now | 17:59 |
| sarob | almost done here | 17:59 |
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| matjazp_ | sarob: what's with Upstream univ review? | 17:59 |
| dbite | reed: not yet, I post some personal weird stuff there too, I wil lcreate another one for planet soon | 17:59 |
| dbite | guys lets switch over to docs channel | 17:59 |
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| sarob | majazp_ docs channel right | 17:59 |
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| sarob | goodbye my friends until next week! | 18:00 |
| reed | bye | 18:00 |
| matjazp_ | bye | 18:00 |
| dbite | bye | 18:00 |
| rolu | bye | 18:00 |
| MeganR | bye | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 18:00:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-08-04-16.59.html | 18:00 |
| reed | dbite, you can simply subscribe a category or tag | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-08-04-16.59.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-08-04-16.59.log.html | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 18:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 18:01 |
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| luqas | o/ | 18:01 |
| asselin_ | hi | 18:01 |
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| sweston | o/ | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hi luqas sweston | 18:01 |
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| banix | krtaylor: hi | 18:01 |
| sweston | hi krtaylor | 18:02 |
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| daya_k | hi | 18:02 |
| mjturek | krtaylor, hi | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | nice, looks like a good group this week | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | welcome everyone | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | here is the agenda for today's meeting: | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | alright, as a part of our proper meeting etiquette | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so we had a few actions last week | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | we queued sweston 's terms patch discussion | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | sweston, I havent seen a bunch of activity there | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, you here? | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | but I did post the terms review url | 18:05 |
| sweston | yup, an update: I submitted the patch on July 25th, only one person has provided feedback. | 18:05 |
| sweston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109800/ | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, actuall 2 now | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | actually | 18:06 |
| sweston | oh, yes I see the review from Sergey | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | y, goodness | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | so the next two items were for the infra meeting, discussion topics | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | we were on the agenda, I was there and I believe asselin_ was too | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | but the meeting ran over | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | and they didnt get to the entire agenda | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | we are on the agenda again for this week, we'll table that for another week then | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | although the recheck is resolving itself in comments on the patch | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | I think that covers actions from last meeting, did I miss anything? | 18:09 |
| * asselin_ added infra meeting to calendar | 18:09 | |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:10 |
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| krtaylor | anyone have any program announcements for third-party? | 18:10 |
| asselin_ | sorry, what's a "program annoucement"? | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | nova mid-cycle was last week, but I'll save mine for next topic | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, any projects | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | projects ~= programs | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | I'm not sure exactly the terminology for what is a project and what is a program | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | so I'll simplify - any announcements? :) | 18:11 |
| sweston | I have something I'd like to mention. I'm starting a public puppetmaster service for folks, if they are interested in having their Zuul and Jenkins master hosted. | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | sweston, nice, this would be to drive other ci systems? | 18:12 |
| sweston | additional discussion is welcome when we get to open discussion | 18:12 |
| sweston | yes | 18:13 |
| daya_k | congrats sweston | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | interesting | 18:13 |
| sweston | jenkins slaves can be wherever the third party ci network is | 18:13 |
| sweston | they will connect via reverse ssh tunnel into the master | 18:13 |
| sweston | daya_k: thanks ;-) | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | is this hosted on a public cloud/service? | 18:14 |
| sweston | yes, it will be | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | sweston, I bet you will get a lot of interested systems | 18:14 |
| sweston | I am looking for testers right now to work out some of the details | 18:14 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: yes, I this will take all of the manual configuration and setup out of the picture | 18:15 |
| beecee | sweston: what costs would be involved? | 18:15 |
| smcginnis | sweston: We were looking for something like that when we were setting up. Very interested to see how it turns out. | 18:16 |
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| sweston | beecee: I am still working that out. It will depend on several factors, but it will be minimal, just to cover the cost of the hosting provider. | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | this is a good place to get it out there, I can mention it in the weekly newsletter summary for third-party too if you wish | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | sweston, I'll ping you later this week when I am writing the summary | 18:17 |
| sweston | smcginnis: excellent. I can follow up with you in IRC if you are interested in being one of the testers | 18:17 |
| sweston | krtaylor: that sounds great | 18:17 |
| sweston | krtaylor: thank you :-) | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | ok, any other announcements? | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | let's move on then | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | I added an agenda item to let everyone know about the new proposal for nova features | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | requirements for hypervisor feature coverage | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | that came out of the nova mid-cycle meetup | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/Requirements | 18:20 |
| sweston | krtaylor: what release is this targeted for? | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | that will be something to watch and/or get involved in | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | sweston, I have not had a chance to find out anything else, I was just told about it a few days ago | 18:21 |
| sweston | krtaylor: ok | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | maybe we can get someone from nova to come talk about it at a future meeting | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to see if nova rep can expand on the new feature requirements table | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | ok, next | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | I added a usual reminder to everyone to keep the third-party patches moving along | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | I see a bunch of third-party tagged got merged | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | its actually kinda sparse now, but you can always review mine :) | 18:24 |
| * krtaylor does a shameless plug | 18:24 | |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | remember to set the topic of patchsets for third-party | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | git review -t third-party | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | that way we can track them easier | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | that looks like all the program items | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | we are moving quickly today, but I know better than to say we'll finish early :) | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | any new deadlines? | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | I havent heard any | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | any approaching? Neutron? Cinder? | 18:27 |
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| jungleboyj | krtaylor: The Cinder deadline ... if you want to call it that is approaching. | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | hi jungleboyj | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | what is that date? | 18:29 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Hey, I came in late and sat in the back. | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:29 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Our goal was to have everyone accounted for by 8/11. When we start our mid-cycle meet-up. | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | next Monday, ok, thats good to know | 18:30 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: I haven't checked the updated status of everything. | 18:30 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: A lot of people are still struggling, so I expect this will be a topic of discussion next week. | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | jungleboyj, will that be before the mid-cycle or a part of it? | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | right | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | ok, any neutron folks here? | 18:31 |
| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Part of it. | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | thanks jungleboyj | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | let's move on then | 18:32 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:32 |
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| jungleboyj | krtaylor: Welcome. | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | well, we didnt have any today | 18:33 |
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| krtaylor | if I had planned a bit better I would have talked about where we were, I'll add that to next week | 18:33 |
| * krtaylor tries to figure out how to make Monday's flow better | 18:33 | |
| krtaylor | alright then, I'll open the floor | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | any questions, comments, or other items that werent on the agenda? | 18:35 |
| asselin_ | for those using jaypipes's 3rd party ci repo, 2 fixes got merged into the private -data repo. https://github.com/jaypipes/os-ext-testing-data/commit/59b22a350a75e647a6680e6e14bd089e4be91124 | 18:35 |
| asselin_ | disable start messages & update the recheck regex | 18:35 |
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| * krtaylor looks | 18:35 | |
| luqas | I am experiencing channel interruption errors in jenkins with the slave using nodepool | 18:35 |
| daya_k | has anyone tried uploading logs to swift through their zuul system? if i add a [swift] section to zuul.conf, zuul server does not start at all. | 18:35 |
| luqas | http://paste.openstack.org/show/90050/ | 18:36 |
| sweston | asselin_: nice! | 18:36 |
| asselin_ | luqas, sorry haven't seen that | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, good, and that is also in discussion right now, recheck syntax for third-party systems | 18:36 |
| luqas | looks like the nodepool slaves are being reused before being marked offline | 18:37 |
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| asselin_ | luqas, which repo are you using ? jaypipes, mine, or your own? | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, I am not sure that works yet, we are using a helper script | 18:37 |
| luqas | asselin_ I had to ask here :-) | 18:37 |
| luqas | our own | 18:38 |
| sweston | daya_k: I am uploading logs through the Jenkins scp plugin. I can give you some tips, if you'd like. | 18:38 |
| daya_k | krtaylor, ok, so the current prevalient mecahnism is scp then | 18:38 |
| asselin_ | daya_k, I'm using zuul & uploading logs, but not using swift...that's optional. | 18:38 |
| asselin_ | daya_k, https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/blob/master/puppet/install_log_server.sh | 18:38 |
| daya_k | sweston, ok, thanks, the problem is i want to use a softlayer acccount which needs swift | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | rfolco joined - daya_k was asking about how we upload to swift | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, we are using softlayers swift service | 18:39 |
| daya_k | asselin thanks | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | but with a helper script as a publisher | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | rfolco was working to get the zuul swift upload working | 18:40 |
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| rfolco | daya_k, yes we use swift api to upload logs to Softlayer storage object | 18:40 |
| sweston | rfolco: are you using a publisher script as well? | 18:40 |
| daya_k | krtaylor: rfolco, i tried creating the swift section in zuul.conf but the server wont start. , commented out publisher | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | sweston, rfolco and I are the same :) | 18:41 |
| sweston | krtaylor, hehe, ok | 18:41 |
| rfolco | daya_k, the zuul plugin is another thing | 18:41 |
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| rfolco | we're moving to zuul plugin soon, when our tests finish with v1.0 auth | 18:42 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, we currently us the publisher jenkins plugin for each job, to fire off the log collection and upload to swift | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, ^^^ | 18:42 |
| asselin_ | luqas, are you usig the zmq jenkins plugin? | 18:42 |
| daya_k | rfolco krtaylor, thanks i'll try to emulate | 18:42 |
| luqas | asselin_ don't think so | 18:42 |
| asselin_ | luqas, you need to use that and sync the port in jenkins with this line: https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/blob/master/puppet/modules/os_ext_testing/templates/nodepool/nodepool.yaml.erb#L10 | 18:43 |
| asselin_ | luqas, install it here: https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/blob/master/puppet/modules/os_ext_testing/manifests/master.pp#L127 | 18:43 |
| luqas | asselin_ cool let me check it | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, I pushed a cleaned up patch for it, but rfolco has gone beyond that to include expiration and .gz decoding from the softlayer web service | 18:43 |
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| asselin_ | luqas, you'll need something like this too: https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/blob/master/puppet/modules/os_ext_testing/files/zuul/openstack_functions.py#L32 | 18:44 |
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| rfolco | I can share the script in a blog post when I finish testing it, but the zuul plugin should be the right approach to follow | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | rfolco, maybe you can push your new script, cleaned up first | 18:45 |
| sweston | krtaylor: this one, here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102655/ | 18:45 |
| asselin_ | luqas, and finally: call the script to mark it single-use. https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing-data/blob/master/etc/zuul/layout.yaml#L53 | 18:45 |
| asselin_ | luqas, easy :) | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | sweston, yes, but don't use that one | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | rfolco's new one is much better | 18:46 |
| sweston | krtaylor, ok | 18:46 |
| luqas | asselin_ yay! thanks a lot | 18:46 |
| jaypipes | asselin_: for https://github.com/jaypipes/os-ext-testing-data/pull/3, I still need you to remove the stuff specific to your env (particularly: https://github.com/jaypipes/os-ext-testing-data/pull/3/files#diff-faca01be436d8e38462612b12acd8df9R24) | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | clarkb was really interested in it at one point, but I think the zuul approach is the way forward | 18:46 |
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| krtaylor | hi jaypipes | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | that reminds me | 18:47 |
| asselin_ | jaypipes, most of that got split to the other pull request you merged. | 18:47 |
| luqas | asselin_ the zmq jenkins plugin is the: Event Publisher (via ZMQ PUB SUB) ? | 18:47 |
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| krtaylor | daya_k, is it your system that is reporting merge failures? | 18:47 |
| jaypipes | asselin_: so should I abandon this PR? | 18:48 |
| daya_k | krtaylor: yes, it was, i think i got it fixed though, havent seen any today | 18:48 |
| asselin_ | jaypipes, I'll take a look at getting the other stuff merged.... | 18:48 |
| jaypipes | kk | 18:48 |
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| krtaylor | daya_k, ok, great! | 18:48 |
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| rfolco | krtaylor, daya_k sweston: well, its not a matter of better or worse. The zuul swift plugin should be the official way to upload to swift. Our script is under testing (with expiration and metadata included), and we should move to zuul plugin soon. The reason we didn't move yet is the auth 2.0 support, Softlayer just supports v.1 auth. | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | rfolco, re: v 1 auth, how is that being fixed? | 18:50 |
| daya_k | krtaylor: i will monitor some more. but seeing a lot of requirements related failures, (Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement oslo.messaging>=1.4.0.0a3 (from pycadf==0.5.1.14.ged95886) (from versions: 1.3.0) | 18:50 |
| sweston | rfolco: ok | 18:50 |
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| rfolco | krtaylor, ArxCruz, did you send a patch for v2 ? | 18:51 |
| ArxCruz | sweston: daya_k krtaylor rfolco actually, the plugin support 1.0, just doesn't have the config in puppet to enable 1.0, the default was 2.0, I already send a patch for that | 18:51 |
| ArxCruz | for 1.- | 18:51 |
| ArxCruz | 1.0 | 18:51 |
| rfolco | true, its Softlayer that won't support v2 | 18:51 |
| rfolco | so we have to enable v1 auth | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | ArxCruz, can you post that link here, some good reviewers lurking | 18:52 |
| ArxCruz | krtaylor: it's already merged :) | 18:52 |
| rfolco | we just didn't have time to re-test it I guess | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | ArxCruz, I see that now | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | excellent | 18:53 |
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| ArxCruz | yup | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | 6 minutes, anything else? | 18:54 |
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| krtaylor | looks like conversation is settling down | 18:54 |
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| krtaylor | we can call it then, and move any further to openstack-infra | 18:54 |
| sweston | good discussion today!! | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, another good one! | 18:55 |
| daya_k | thanks! | 18:55 |
| luqas | thanks! | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 18:55:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-04-18.00.html | 18:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-04-18.00.txt | 18:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-04-18.00.log.html | 18:55 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 19:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:00 |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| devananda | hi al! I'm sick today, so NobodyCam is gonna run the meeting. But I'm here and might chime in | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| romcheg1 | \o | 19:00 |
| BadCub | I am here | 19:00 |
| Shrews | hey hey | 19:00 |
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| matty_dubs | \o | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I'll have bits for you | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | we had a great mid cycle meetup, Great to see everyone | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | we added new spec team core members: JayF, jroll, and NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | congratz to the J's | 19:01 |
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| rloo | yay! | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | A big thank you to Intel for hosting the meetup | 19:02 |
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| jroll | and congrats to you, too, NobodyCam :) | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | any one have anythong for the announcements section | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | anythong? o_O | 19:03 |
| jroll | IPA driver landed \o/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | *(BLUSH)* :) | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | well so I can't type | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/ | 19:03 |
| devananda | jroll: \o/ | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: awesome ... Great work | 19:03 |
| devananda | looks like all projects with specs now have an official doc site | 19:03 |
| devananda | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/ | 19:03 |
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| devananda | also, since our last onlnie meeting, the J2 milestone was tagged | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | very cool, I as I have been asked a couple of times I thought I would post this link: | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/352,members | 19:04 |
| devananda | #info J2 milestone tagged last week, but it does NOT work with J2 Nova milestone. | 19:04 |
| jroll | O.o | 19:05 |
| jroll | why not? | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: did we also have a new client release? | 19:05 |
| devananda | there was a patch landed in Nova which broke Ironic (and some other hypervisors), then reverted a day later, but the Noav J2 milestone was tagged during that window | 19:05 |
| wanyen | the ironic-specs is for Juno 2 or juno3 | 19:05 |
| jroll | aha, I figured that was it | 19:05 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no... I was going to do that friday, but E_SICK | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | :/ | 19:06 |
| * devananda does that now | 19:06 | |
| NobodyCam | devananda: :) | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | should we backport that patch to j2? or not needed? | 19:06 |
| rloo | wanyen: the ironic specs is for juno. | 19:06 |
| jroll | bah, I wanted to sneak a patch in :P | 19:06 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: can't. milestone tags are not updatable | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | i c | 19:06 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: and it's OK -- it's just a milestone. not the final release. | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | this leads us right into: | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | ack, yeah not a big deal | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Release cycle progress report | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release cycle progress report (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:07 | |
| wanyen | is ironic going to approve more specs for Juno? | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: any more to add | 19:07 |
| devananda | so this is the section I wanted to prepare for, but again E_SICK, so I apologize to everyone | 19:07 |
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| devananda | I updated the planning spreadsheet last week | 19:09 |
| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo | 19:09 |
| devananda | and we discussed how to continue planning things during K release | 19:09 |
| wanyen | I did not see iLO virtual media iscsi and IPA deploy and UEFI spec on the Juno spec list. Thsese specs are onteh Juno target list before. | 19:09 |
| devananda | this isn't to say things not on there CANT land, but it's extremely unlikely as we have a short crunch deadline with Noav to land the driver | 19:10 |
| jroll | wanyen: they are on there | 19:10 |
| devananda | wanyen: correct. see ^ | 19:10 |
| devananda | wanyen: iLO is on there | 19:10 |
| devananda | wanyen: but UEFI is not | 19:10 |
| jroll | yes it is | 19:10 |
| devananda | actually it is | 19:10 |
| jroll | line 22 | 19:10 |
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| * devananda has a very high fever. don't listen to what I'm saying | 19:10 | |
| NobodyCam | :( | 19:11 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: right. I'm going to stop now as I'm probably not making sense. Please continue. | 19:11 |
| jroll | insert "ironic is a cmdb after all" joke | 19:11 |
| * NobodyCam shoots jroll (with nerf gun) | 19:11 | |
| dtantsur | I hope no one is cancelling autodiscovery at all... | 19:11 |
| wanyen | okay. Thanks! So this list is differnt from the juno approved specs. | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, lol | 19:12 |
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| jroll | I think we should talk about discovery in the open discussion, we talked about it some at the meetup and where the line is | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you devananda :) | 19:12 |
| rloo | wanyen: specs can still be approved for juno, but that list shows only the ones that have been approved to date. | 19:12 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-3 | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | we good to move to the sub-team reports? | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: integration & testing work | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g: around? | 19:13 |
| adam_g | hey! | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | hey hey :) | 19:13 |
| adam_g | so, to recap what was discussed last week re CI work required toward ironic nova driver merging.. | 19:14 |
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| adam_g | in addition to getting tempest smoke tests running and passing against ironic, we're working on getting grenade "upgrade" testing up and running in the gate | 19:14 |
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| Shrews | adam_g: i've tried 4 times now to reproduce your smoke test results, but i still get failures | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | ahh, yes also we will need to proxy simple reads from the nova api over to Ironic | 19:15 |
| adam_g | which means deploying devstack+nova /w the fake driver, populating the nova-bm database with fake data, then having grenade migrate the deployment to ironic and run tempest smoke tests against that. | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | so node-list and node-show | 19:15 |
| adam_g | Shrews, ping me after meeting | 19:15 |
| adam_g | i should have a WIP grenade patch up today that does the migration, but will need to work with romcheg1 on pulling in the tooling he's working on to handle migrating from nova-bm nodes to ironic | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g: sweet :)\ | 19:16 |
| Shrews | looks like we are starting to get some progress on getting our outstanding tempest/etc changes reviewed too | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | is mrda-away around? | 19:17 |
| romcheg1 | adam_g: Lets work it out tomorrow together | 19:17 |
| adam_g | romcheg1, cool | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | was hopping to get a update on the nova patchs | 19:18 |
| jroll | mrda is on vacation no? | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do you have any insight as to the split out mrda is doing? | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | oh is he :( that slipped my mind | 19:19 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, I think so, rings me a bell. I think he will be back on friday afair | 19:19 |
| jroll | fwiw, I know the whiteboard was up to date as of recently | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: thank you | 19:19 |
| jroll | so I think everyone can check that out offline | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | yep ok then moving along | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Bug team | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | dtantsur: | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | any updates? | 19:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes. mrda proposed 6 patches to nova | 19:20 |
| dtantsur | here! yes | 19:20 |
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| dtantsur | numbers here: Open: 115 (-9). 7 new (-2), 36 in progress (-5), 0 critical, 14 high (-2) and 9 incomplete (+1) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: if you feel up can you make sure hte whightboard has them listed | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | (some maybe wrong, I'm still fighting launchpad and it's strange API) | 19:21 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: it does. L 69-78 | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: so we're making head way | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | yep. I also got some kind of dashboard for bugs: | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: awesome Thank you | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | http://ironic-bugs.divius.net/ | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | some problems with stats there and source code looks awful :) | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://ironic-bugs.divius.net | 19:22 |
| devananda | dtantsur: fyi, anyone can # link something | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | oh, I forgot :) | 19:22 |
| devananda | also, nice dashboard! | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, nice one | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | very nice | 19:23 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that linked on the whiteboard? | 19:23 |
| dtantsur | not yet | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | great update dtantsur. | 19:23 |
| BadCub | dashboard very helpful. Thank you! | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | any questions on bugs? | 19:23 |
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| dtantsur | any ideas for improvements are welcome | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | ok moving on to: | 19:24 |
| jroll | it's open source, so just send PRs :P | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Fedora support | 19:24 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, +1 | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: looks like thats you again | 19:25 |
| dtantsur | DevStack and tempest worked for me out-of-box last week. That's all I have on Fedora support :) | 19:25 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's awesome | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | w00t! | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | yay | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | we're making good headway today:) | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | any questions on fedora support? | 19:26 |
| wanyen | are there any work of bulding federa ipa ramdisk? | 19:26 |
| jroll | I don't think there's plans to base any ramdisk on fedora | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: that may fall in to the next section | 19:27 |
| wanyen | ok. | 19:27 |
| jroll | also what NobodyCam said | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | wanyen, my personal plans - yes | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | ok moving on to: | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | lots of good stuff here | 19:27 |
| wanyen | dtantsur: good to know. | 19:27 |
| jroll | hi! | 19:27 |
| jroll | tons of good news today | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | I started hacking on a DIB IPA element | 19:28 |
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| jroll | first, the agent driver is now in ironic's tree :) | 19:28 |
| JoshNang | \o/ | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | :> \o/ | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 19:28 |
| jroll | as always, you can track IPA progress here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:29 |
| jroll | our top priority right now is devstack + tempest... instructions are here, working on making this less manual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-devstack | 19:29 |
| jroll | once we can successfully run tempest, we'll be adding some check/gate jobs | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-devstack | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: awesome | 19:30 |
| jroll | 1) build IPA and run tempest on IPA repo | 19:30 |
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| jroll | 2) use master IPA tarball and run tempest on ironic repo | 19:30 |
| jroll | and as NobodyCam said, he started working on a dib element for IPA, that work is here: | 19:31 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110487/ | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: tarball or pypi ? | 19:31 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: tarball | 19:31 |
| jroll | we want to test against master; I don't plan on making "releases" right now, but that could change | 19:31 |
| jroll | someone just needs to convince me :) | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: we may wat to chat offline | 19:32 |
| jroll | (the tarball comes from a post-test job on the IPA repo) | 19:32 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: sure :) | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:32 |
| jroll | I think that's all I have today... any questions? | 19:32 |
| boris-42 | jroll NobodyCam hi guys =) | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | great update jroll Thank you | 19:33 |
| jroll | hi | 19:33 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, i would like to discuss on the ilo virtual media iscsi deploy driver spec as there has been some difference of opinion on using different deploy image formats among drivers | 19:33 |
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| jroll | rameshg87: that's on the agenda for open discussion already, let's wait until then | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: two more sub team reports then open floor :) | 19:33 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, jroll, sorry :-( | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | unless there are | 19:34 |
| jroll | tis ok | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | ipa questions I'll jump in to the next report | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | rameshg87: all good:) | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Oslo | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | GheRivero: any updates? | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | not sure GheRivero's online | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | we can come back if he pops up | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic migration | 19:36 |
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| romcheg1 | Morning all! | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: any updates for us? | 19:36 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:36 |
| romcheg1 | So I actually have no big progress. | 19:37 |
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| romcheg1 | There is a minor feedback from Nova team on one of the patches | 19:37 |
| romcheg1 | And that's actually all I have | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: do you have a link? | 19:37 |
| romcheg1 | I will cooperate with adam_g yesterday | 19:37 |
| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: Gimme a sec please | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | sure :) | 19:37 |
| romcheg1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101920/ | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | awesome :) ty | 19:38 |
| romcheg1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102563/ | 19:38 |
| romcheg1 | %s/yesterday/tomorrow/ | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | hehehehe | 19:38 |
| romcheg1 | stupid words :) | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: thank you for the update :) | 19:38 |
| romcheg1 | We will try to integrate Adams update script and my migration tools | 19:39 |
| romcheg1 | any progress will be reported | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | oh nice, and that will also include the tests that nova team was looking for? | 19:39 |
| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: exactly | 19:40 |
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| romcheg1 | Guys please also take a quick look at that if possible | 19:40 |
| romcheg1 | that === migration tools | 19:40 |
| devananda | adam_g: do you recal if nova had wanted the migration stuff moved into ironic's tree? | 19:40 |
| romcheg1 | Because Nova team is not always in the context so it's hard for them to review that | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: at the above links? | 19:40 |
| romcheg1 | NobodyCam: aha | 19:40 |
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| adam_g | devananda, i dont remember discussing that | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I do not recall hearing that, I thought they wanted the tests in their tree | 19:41 |
| jroll | I feel like they did want it in ironic's tree | 19:41 |
| romcheg1 | Ah | 19:42 |
| romcheg1 | There was a question on Nova spec | 19:42 |
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| romcheg1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/9/specs/juno/deprecate-baremetal-driver.rst | 19:42 |
| devananda | adam_g: hm. I seem to recall something about moving the nova_bm sqla model code,a nd the migrations, into our tree, but that could have been one of the many options we discussed and then dropped | 19:42 |
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| romcheg1 | It looks like some of the folks may not want to remove the old code | 19:42 |
| romcheg1 | So we may have problems with that | 19:42 |
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| devananda | romcheg1: not the old code -- they're happy to delete that. it's the API extension | 19:43 |
| romcheg1 | devananda: Isn't that the old code? :) | 19:43 |
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| devananda | romcheg1: no. we need to write a new module, adhering to the same API, that will proxy GET requests to Ironic | 19:43 |
| devananda | romcheg1: we don't need to proxy any writes, thankfully | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg1: they would like use to proxy the api requests over to ironic | 19:43 |
| romcheg1 | devananda, NobodyCam: Ah thanks! | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | just node / port list / show | 19:44 |
| romcheg1 | I already started panicing | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:44 |
| jroll | lol | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | anything else on migration | 19:44 |
| jroll | shall we open the floodgates? :P | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | yep: | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | go | 19:45 |
| * jroll ducks | 19:45 | |
| NobodyCam | heheehhe | 19:45 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97744/ | 19:45 |
| jroll | this is what rameshg87 wanted to chat about | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | this is a issue with who builds the iso? | 19:45 |
| jroll | I kind of hoped devananda and lifeless would both be around | 19:46 |
| jroll | yeah, I guess? | 19:46 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | I do not see ironic as a image builder | 19:46 |
| jroll | devananda mentioned the other day that compatibility of images between drivers is a separate feature that we should not handle today | 19:46 |
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| jroll | I think I agree | 19:47 |
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| jroll | I guess maybe lifeless is the only dissenter here, that I know of | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do you thought on 97744? | 19:47 |
| rameshg87 | i guess lifeless is not around here right now | 19:48 |
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| devananda | I think there's a larger body of work to be done tosupport multiple image file formats across drivers | 19:48 |
| wanyen | how do we resolve teh issue between different opinons? | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: his timezone can make it ruff on him to be here | 19:48 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, okay | 19:49 |
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| jroll | I also wanted to chat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111232/ - we want to split things into a boot interface and a deploy interface eventually. this patch does a lot of work towards this but not all the way - do we want to put effort into this or should we hold off until we split those interfaces? (this is required for the iLO work) | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | I can see his point thou, it would require that the users know what image type is being deployed and then have to select the correct driver to support that image type | 19:50 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, well, this patch makes sense to me as it is | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: if the user is uploading their own images, yes -- it's additional complexity for them | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | jroll, do we want to block/harden iLO work right now? | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: if only operators are allowed to create images, the problem is moot | 19:50 |
| devananda | this is why I'm OK with the current proposal | 19:51 |
| jroll | dtantsur: my initial thought is not | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ack :) | 19:51 |
| devananda | jroll: not having read the code yet, I'm inclined to say, go ahead with refactoring of code now that helps the iLO driver, as long as it's not changing any APIs | 19:51 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: just seems like a lot of work to get partially to the goal | 19:51 |
| jroll | but my problem with it is that it doesn't *actually* split thing | 19:52 |
| jroll | s | 19:52 |
| jroll | the pxe driver is still tightly coupled to the iscsi_deploy driver | 19:52 |
| devananda | jroll: is it going in the right driection? | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: is the goal that ilo will support all deploy ijmages at some point? | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, if we split the interface, it means that this work will also touch all other drivers | 19:52 |
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| lucasagomes | and that seems to be a lot of work, not only for iLo | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | but general refactoring things | 19:53 |
| jroll | devananda: it's getting there, without a pluggable BootInterface I don't think it can get all the way. which might be fine. | 19:53 |
| devananda | huh - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111232/4/ironic/drivers/modules/iscsi_deploy.py is all module, no class? | 19:53 |
| dtantsur | I like every suggestion that makes PXE code a bit more readable :) | 19:53 |
| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, do you mean ilo driver supporting all type of boot images ? | 19:53 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: ++ | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: yes, | 19:53 |
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| rameshg87 | NobodyCam, i acknowledge lifeless concern on user having to cope with two kind of images (iso and aki/ami) | 19:54 |
| jroll | devananda: right, it factors out most of the iscsi-related things to there, I almost think I would refactor it in the other direction... pull the pxe code out of the PxeDeploy class or whatever it's called | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | rameshg87: ack :) | 19:55 |
| dtantsur | PXE does not imply iSCSI, thus split makes sense to me even without far consequences | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | yeah there's many things to refactor there | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | fyi : five minute bell | 19:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: except it's still coupled tightly to iscsi... iscsi should be the deploy driver, pxe should only be related to that | 19:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: does iscsi imply pxe, however? | 19:55 |
| devananda | jroll: no. | 19:56 |
| devananda | we have rthe following sets: boot {iLO, PXE} deploy {iSCSI, IPA} | 19:56 |
| jroll | devananda: long term, I agree. | 19:56 |
| devananda | where boot == "how we get $ramdisk running on $machine" and deploy == "how ramdisk puts user image on $machine" | 19:56 |
| devananda | jroll: right, long term | 19:57 |
| jroll | right | 19:57 |
| devananda | class and module renaming aside | 19:57 |
| devananda | an quick glance this looks like it's splitting along those lines | 19:57 |
| jroll | this patch doesn't actually decouple anything, it just moves code around | 19:57 |
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| devananda | oh | 19:57 |
| jroll | is that actually helpful, is my question | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | jroll, honestly I disagree | 19:57 |
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| devananda | jroll: so by moving stuff around, it is defining an implicit API between boot and deploy drivers | 19:58 |
| dtantsur | to me providing line between responsibilities of these 2 modules is a helpful thing on it's own | 19:58 |
| devananda | I think the question is | 19:58 |
| devananda | is *THIS* the API we want? | 19:58 |
| devananda | if not, we'll need to refactor it again anyway | 19:58 |
| devananda | and touch both drivers when we do so | 19:58 |
| devananda | well, all drivers | 19:58 |
| jroll | I don't see an API between the two | 19:58 |
| jroll | in this patch | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: are you saying we should start planing for a v2 api? | 19:59 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: no -- this is the internal driver API we're talkign about | 19:59 |
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| dtantsur | all this looks perfectionism to me... what we have now is huge PXE module doing a lot of things, including PXE :) | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | why not at least split out, what is _not_ PXE? | 20:00 |
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| jroll | iscsi_deploy.py has almost zero code related to just iscsi | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | times up | 20:00 |
| dtantsur | we're out of time | 20:00 |
| devananda | this is one problem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111232/4/etc/ironic/ironic.conf.sample | 20:00 |
| jroll | it's somewhat related to the "iscsi ramdisk", but e.g. mounting the iscsi mount etc is elsewhere | 20:00 |
| devananda | needless CONF changes are bad | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | let move back in to channel | 20:00 |
| jroll | ^^ | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you for the great meeting everyone | 20:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| BadCub | thank you | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 20:01:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-04-19.00.html | 20:01 |
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| mestery | hi | 20:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 20:59 |
| s3wong | hello | 20:59 |
| banix | hi | 20:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 20:59 |
| arosen | Hi | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | \o/ | 21:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
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| nati_ueno | Hi | 21:00 |
| * otherwiseguy waves | 21:00 | |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Both hands raised? :) | 21:00 |
| obondarev | hi | 21:00 |
| * mestery waves at otherwiseguy. | 21:00 | |
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| regXboi | moo | 21:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: yes. very committed to this meeting :-) | 21:00 |
| mestery | regXboi: Your Nebraska heritage is showing :) | 21:00 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Heh :) | 21:00 |
| banix | mestery: oh that is what that means … some of us are slow :) | 21:00 |
| marun | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | hi | 21:00 |
| regXboi | mestery: I'm carrying on in a great IRC tradition (see "aptitude") | 21:01 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Added to my TODO list ;) | 21:01 |
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| emagana | hello all! | 21:01 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 21:01 |
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| Swami | hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | OK, lets get started. | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 21:02:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | I would be indecent if I didn't start off the meeting by mentioning our large Juno-3 BP list: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:02 |
| mestery | We've merged ... 4 BPs so far. | 21:03 |
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| mestery | We're making progress, but it's slow, though I do see some activity picking up this week on a few things. | 21:03 |
| mestery | Thanks to all the revewiers and contributors here! | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 21:04 |
| mestery | FPF is August 21 | 21:04 |
| mestery | Feature Freeze is September 4 | 21:04 |
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| mestery | Those dates are fast approaching. | 21:04 |
| mestery | Which means Juno is nearing it's end. | 21:04 |
| mestery | #info FPF is August 21 | 21:04 |
| mestery | #info Feature Freeze is September 4 | 21:04 |
| mestery | Any other announcements from anyone? | 21:04 |
| mestery | OK, our bug czar can't join us today, so we'll skip the bugs section today. | 21:05 |
| mestery | And I'll go into one last announcement: | 21:06 |
| mestery | #info The LB and OVS plugins are due to be removed from the tree this week. | 21:06 |
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| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:06 |
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| mestery | emagana: Hi there! | 21:06 |
| emagana | mestery: hello! | 21:06 |
| mestery | emagana: You had a nice etherpad last week with doc work, do you have that handy again? | 21:06 |
| emagana | mestery: absolutely | 21:06 |
| mestery | emagana: thanks! | 21:06 |
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| emagana | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 21:07 |
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| emagana | I was expecting a lot of volunteers but.. sadly none | 21:07 |
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| mestery | emagana: That's disappointing indeed. :( | 21:08 |
| emagana | mestery: We will make some progress in our end and as we get closer to Juno release, we will cal people directly | 21:08 |
| emagana | Hopefully, folks will have more availability after Juno-3 | 21:08 |
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| mestery | emagana: I think we may have to go that route, yes. | 21:08 |
| mestery | emagana: ++ | 21:08 |
| emagana | mestery: nothing more to report captain | 21:09 |
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| mestery | emagana: Thanks! Hopefully next week we get a few new people to signup for docs items on that etherpad. | 21:09 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:09 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi there! | 21:09 |
| mlavalle | mestery: hi | 21:09 |
| mlavalle | mestery: so I have been working with the new LBaaS team, testing the api | 21:09 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: at this point we have confirmed that most of the api works fine | 21:10 |
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| mlavalle | there is an issue with deleting listerners that might be a problem with testing script | 21:10 |
| mestery | markmcclain: We'll get to the parity items next :) | 21:10 |
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| mlavalle | I will investigate further tonight and report results | 21:11 |
| mestery | mlavalle: I saw your email to the list, are you working with dougwig and/or blogan on that? | 21:11 |
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| dougwig | yes, he's been on the lbaas channel. | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | mestery: yeah, I am in contact with both of them in irc. Plus, I have the dubious privilege of seeing blogan every day at the office :-) | 21:12 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Heh :) | 21:12 |
| mestery | #info LBaaS API tests are working except for deleting listeners. | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | mestery: there is also a couple of api tests being develepode by zzelle that I am tracking | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | those are for provider networks | 21:13 |
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| mlavalle | next step with new LBaaS is to write a scenario test | 21:13 |
| mestery | #info mlavalle tracking some API tests for provider networks being developed by zzelle | 21:13 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have this week | 21:13 |
| mestery | mlavalle: For the scenario test, is the plan to use the agentless ha-proxy driver? | 21:13 |
| mlavalle | mestery: yes, that's my target | 21:14 |
| mestery | mlavalle: OK, thanks! | 21:14 |
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| mestery | #topic Parity | 21:14 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: hi there! | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | for the api test I've been using the ha-proxy agentless driver as weel | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | so we're still making lots of progress on parity work | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | I'm about read to mark dvr as done for parity | 21:15 |
| mestery | Yes, I think it's reached that point as well! | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | currently working with the nova team to redefine the migration plan for users | 21:16 |
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| mestery | #info DVR work will be marked as complete with regards to parity coverage | 21:16 |
| mestery | markmcclain: So, the plan around migration is to not require it I believe, right? | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain | based on discussion with the Nova team we're heading that way | 21:17 |
| obondarev | neutron migration design spec was updated and now includes both live and cold migration approaches | 21:17 |
| mestery | obondarev: Awesome! | 21:17 |
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| mestery | #info nova/neutron teams leaning towards not requiring migration from a parity gap perspective | 21:18 |
| banix | not requiring it, meaning not requiring having a migration path? | 21:18 |
| mestery | #info Migration doc updated to include both live and cold approaches | 21:18 |
| mestery | banix: Correct. | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | so both cold and live have operational issues | 21:18 |
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| banix | that simplifies things a bit :) | 21:18 |
| mestery | banix: Indeed :) | 21:18 |
| * salv-orlando not the first time hears this story about migration path not required for parity... | 21:19 | |
| marun | there was broad consensus among the nova team present at the mid-cycle that migration should be a post-parity concern | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | which is why we're converging on agreeing it might be a bad idea to push one size fits all | 21:19 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I think that's the main problem with the migration idea, so I'm happy to hear this was the consensus last week. | 21:20 |
| obondarev | are there any meetings minutes regarding migration form nova mid-cyxle anywhere? | 21:20 |
| obondarev | from* | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | obondarev: just in the etherpad | 21:20 |
| obondarev | ok, saw them | 21:20 |
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| regXboi | link for those who come later? | 21:21 |
| regXboi | (i.e. for the minutes?) | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-mid-cycle-meetup | 21:21 |
| regXboi | thanks | 21:21 |
| HenryG | Did the "nova network as an ML2 mechanism driver" idea get any traction? | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | HenryG: not really because there are technical downsides to that approach | 21:21 |
| marun | no | 21:21 |
| emagana | HenryG: I hope not! | 21:21 |
| mestery | It was mostly DOA I believe :) | 21:22 |
| HenryG | OK, just wanted to make sure, thanks. | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | mestery: that's all I've got on parity | 21:22 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Thanks! | 21:23 |
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| mestery | Just one more note, markmcclain and I will be presneting the status again this week in the TC and/or release meetings tomorrow. | 21:23 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:23 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi there! | 21:23 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:23 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve made lots of progress on DVr. | 21:23 |
| carl_baldwin | *DVR | 21:23 |
| carl_baldwin | There is a backlog but many of the issues have already been addressed. | 21:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 21:24 |
| carl_baldwin | … or are in progress. | 21:24 |
| carl_baldwin | l3-high-availability is in review. | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/l3-high-availability,n,z | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, on DVR. There is an experimental job that runs tempest with DVR fully enabled. | 21:25 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That's really good news! | 21:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | There are a few tests still not passing but not bad. | 21:26 |
| armax | most notably the ones around firewall | 21:26 |
| mestery | #info Experimental Tempest job which utilizes DVR is running as experimental | 21:26 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ll be looking to convert that job to a non-voting job. | 21:26 |
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| armax | mestery: to kick it off just post ‘check experimental’ on a review of interest | 21:26 |
| mestery | armax SridarK: Any updates on the work to make FWaaS and DVR work together? | 21:26 |
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| mestery | #info To kickoff the experimental job, just run "check experimental" on a review of interest. | 21:27 |
| mestery | armax: thanks! | 21:27 |
| SridarK | mestery: working thru this - will get a patch out in a few days | 21:27 |
| mestery | SridarK: Cool! | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: SridarK and vishnu are working on a DVR setup | 21:27 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 21:27 |
| armax | SridarK: super! | 21:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we are in touch with Swami and the DVR team for this | 21:27 |
| armax | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 21:27 |
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| mestery | #info FWaaS team is working with DVR to close the DVR/FWaaS integration in Juno. | 21:28 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the udpate! | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m also reaching out about rootwrap daemon mode. I think we’d like to know this week if it has a chance. | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure, and thanks to SridarK and Vishnu | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: That is all from me. The rest of the status is on the wiki. | 21:29 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: It seems unlikely, given the concerns raised by ttx. | 21:29 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: But we need to close on that by this week if it has a chance at all. | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | mestery: I'm also digging into it further | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: markmcclain: thanks. | 21:29 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks for the updates! | 21:30 |
| mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:30 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi there! | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the flavors spec is still in bit of a limbo | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but enikanorov_ has posted an implementation patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105982 | 21:30 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Flavors is the only other spec with a chance at an exception at this point, but it appears to e stuck as yousay. | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe based on teh agreed upon aspects of the spec | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: thanks forworking on the implementation | 21:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah | 21:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | other than that hemanthravi and songole are making progress on the service chain implementation, and should be posting a patch soon | 21:31 |
| mestery | #info Flavor Framework spec still at risk of not making Juno. | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats its from me for this | 21:32 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 21:32 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:32 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Hi there! | 21:32 |
| * mestery notes that the final set of IPV6 BPs are close to merging now. | 21:33 | |
| mestery | I think, based on reading BPs, that IPV6 support will be complete in Juno if those merge. | 21:33 |
| mestery | In lieu of sc68cal not being here, lets move on though. | 21:34 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:34 |
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| mestery | rkukura Sukhdev: Hi! | 21:34 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:34 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: hi | 21:34 |
| rkukura | not a lot new with ML2 | 21:34 |
| rkukura | a number of new drivers are in review | 21:34 |
| rkukura | and we are working to get the remaining BP implementations into review | 21:34 |
| mestery | rkukura: Was curious on how the extension support was coming along, is that seeing some progress? | 21:34 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: do you have an update on that? | 21:35 |
| nlahouti | mestery: the code is under review | 21:35 |
| mestery | nlahouti: OK, was curious about that one as I was looking at Juno-3 BPs today. | 21:35 |
| nlahouti | mestery rkukura: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89211/ | 21:35 |
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| mestery | #info Remaining ML2 BPs hope to enter implementation stage soon | 21:36 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Did we miss anything? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | I'm concerned about adding additional attributes to responses… they basically make our API responses random | 21:36 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89211/ | 21:36 |
| nlahouti | I was going to ask markmcclain to remove -2 from the review | 21:36 |
| nlahouti | as the BP is approved | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you covered good - one thing I'll add is that we hope to close of on hierarchical port binding soon | 21:37 |
| Sukhdev | s/of/off | 21:37 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: I recall that -2 was on a previous patch and the current code is an entirely different approach | 21:37 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Yes, hope to have an initial hierarchical port binding patch later this week. | 21:38 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: that's correct. | 21:38 |
| mestery | nlahouti: So, there is no -2 on the new approach that you and rkukura worked on> | 21:38 |
| mestery | ? | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | my -2 is still there | 21:38 |
| nlahouti | mestery: No | 21:38 |
| armax | I did review the patch this morning | 21:38 |
| nlahouti | markmcclain: yes | 21:38 |
| mestery | markmcclain nlahouti: OK, got it. | 21:38 |
| armax | I have some concerns on the approach | 21:38 |
| nlahouti | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89211/ | 21:38 |
| armax | but more info on the patch | 21:39 |
| nlahouti | armax: I got your comment and we will address those | 21:39 |
| armax | I welcome salv-orlando to give his opinion too, as he’s been instrumental in driving the API extension framework and its integration wit hte policy framework | 21:39 |
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| armax | nlahouti: thanks | 21:39 |
| armax | *the | 21:40 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for the ML2 updates rkukura and Sukhdev! | 21:40 |
| mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:40 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 21:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi again | 21:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, the patches have been in review for a while - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy/Patches - nothing new there | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the -2 on the first also persists, so nothing new there either | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence the team sent out an email to the mailer today | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: I posted this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041863.html | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041864.html | 21:41 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy/Patches | 21:41 |
| nati_ueno | So we have whole set of patch now? | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: yes, i saw that just before the meeting | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yes the whole series is present | 21:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: imho, that proposal looks like a workflow change in the neutron process (something like CI for vendor plugins) | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: this topic has been discussed in the open for well over a year now | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: it is a change | 21:43 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. | 21:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: why addressing it this way? I think it should be discussed properly like what happened at that time | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so there its mature enough | 21:43 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Has any of the discussion addressed how the policy initiative is going to evolve? | 21:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: well, it's kind of asking for all the extensions to be put in stackforge, did I get it wrong? | 21:43 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: It's pretty clear to all involved that the effort is experimental. | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: huh? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: I've heard from policy contributors that they want the API to experiment and get user feedback | 21:44 |
| regXboi | marun: huh^2? | 21:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: how is GBP different from LBaaS or FWaaS? | 21:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: there also dont seem to be any outstanding concerns | 21:44 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: I hope that I haven’t confused matters in using the word “experimental”. My understanding is that the initial version of any new service API is labelled “experimental”, indicating it is subject to incompatible tweeks and isn’t considered stable. | 21:44 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam: And as per Mark's email we don't have a good track record of evolving complex features in-tree. | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: the difference is we learned from those experiences | 21:44 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: But your email seems to have a completely different interpretation of “experimental”. | 21:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: right, that's why your proposal… just like CI for vendors | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: right incompatible tweaks is where we get into problems | 21:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: as such, it should be targeted properly, and discussed like it has been done that time | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | once the code lands in master our ability to refine is limited | 21:45 |
| armax | ivar-lazzaro: we can’t really compare GBP with LBaaS or FWaaS, as they sit at a different levels of abstractions | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | also if we have a defect we have to a full cycle to fix it | 21:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: this way, it just looks like a new requirement kind of "out of the blue", doesn't it? | 21:45 |
| marun | rkukura: I'm not sure how you could define 'experimental' other than 'we don't know what a good solution looks like, so we're going to iterate until we find it'. | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | the deployers do expect some stability even when experimental features in the tree | 21:45 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | armax: I cited FWaaS and LBaaS like Mark did in his email | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: and i believe we are at that stage | 21:46 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: And you think those are examples of how to do things right? | 21:46 |
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| emagana | Why is so urgent and important the GBP? Seriously, looks like we are missing the most important staff which is Neutron stability, parity and HA | 21:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: what? discussing a workflow change with the due time, the whole community, and without targeting already approved patches? | 21:47 |
| armax | ivar-lazzaro: imo process != API | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | emagana: you should check with the PTL, this feature has been prioritized as high | 21:47 |
| emagana | mestery: Can you explain why this is so important?? | 21:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | armax: Sorry armax, I probably said something confusing, I've never talked about API did I? | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | emagana: and there is demand from both operators and vendors to support it | 21:48 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: 'demand' is a pretty nebulous statement | 21:48 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: since they don't actually know what a good solution looks like either | 21:48 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: hence the need to iterate | 21:48 |
| emagana | SumitNaiksatam_: vendors I do understand it but Operators??? I don't believe it! | 21:48 |
| armax | ivar-lazzaro: ok, no worries, don’t mind me | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | marun: but they have all had a chance to review this for a long long time | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam_: I recognize that we have invested time in this | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | emagana: you can check the mailing list, i dont have the link handy here | 21:49 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam_: We both know that reviewing code and using it in a production scenario are very different things. | 21:49 |
| regXboi | so I can speak from both the vendor and operator side on this one | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | but APIs take time to gel which is why I think StackForge is a good platform to let it solidify with users | 21:49 |
| regXboi | and yes, I can say as an operator that without GP neutron gets a bit less interesting | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | markmcclain: its not just because we have invested time | 21:49 |
| emagana | SumitNaiksatam_: I am attending the Operators meet-up: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-meetup | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | emagana: See regXboi's input above ^^^ | 21:50 |
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| emagana | SumitNaiksatam_: If you see the official agenda, there is nothing on GBP.. Actually, "congress" will be discussed | 21:50 |
| marun | regXboi: There's exactly nothing preventing an operator from simplifying things for users. | 21:50 |
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| * salv-orlando confused. Are we talking about proces, APIs, or users? Or everything at the same time? | 21:50 | |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | marun: that goes for every feature or change we make in neutron | 21:50 |
| emagana | SumitNaiksatam_: Very superficial.. anyway/// | 21:50 |
| ivar-lazzaro | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:50 |
| marun | regXboi: And also nothing to prevent gbp being useful out-of-tree | 21:50 |
| nati_ueno | Hmm I'm not sure why this discussion happening now... | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | marun: but we dont iterate in stackforge on everythin else | 21:50 |
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| emagana | Anyway.. I will shut up! | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam_: actually we do | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | stackforge/kite is from Keystone | 21:51 |
| regXboi | marun: I would argue that as an operator, if something isn't in-tree it doesn't exist | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | and several incubated repos have started life in stackforge | 21:51 |
| marun | Why is it that every indication of support is seen as vindication of your efforts, but you ignore every detractor? | 21:51 |
| marun | Honestly? | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | it is why I thought the platform would be a match for us | 21:51 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: I’m kind of troubled by your suggestion to develop GP out-of-tree, given the negative reaction we had for even developing a small PoC implementation out-of-tree. We responded to this very valid feedback with several series of much smaller patches, incrementally building on each other. Do you really think if we went off and continued developing GP out-of-tree, there is any realistic chance of it being | 21:51 |
| rkukura | merged in one huge piece in the future? | 21:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: So now all Neutron extensions should go through StackForge? | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | marun: isn’t the reason of keeping it out of neutron is so that operators don’t use it? | 21:51 |
| marun | regXboi: You want all the work done for you, fair enough. | 21:52 |
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| marun | regXboi: The point is that iterating on untested features in the tree is painful for both developers and the people that have to review them. | 21:52 |
| marun | regXboi: Many of us think that the situation could be improved | 21:52 |
| regXboi | marun: I grant that point | 21:52 |
| mestery | We have 8 minutes left, how do we as a community move forward together here? | 21:52 |
| marun | So that important features could be developed faster and to a higher standard of quality | 21:53 |
| emagana | resending my question: mestery: Can you explain why this is so important?? | 21:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | markmcclain: it might be good for totally new features to go to stackforge, that is a separate discussion (on process) | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | I think the way forward is stackforge | 21:53 |
| emagana | mestery: We need to discuss about CI as well! | 21:53 |
| regXboi | marun: but that does not translate to comments about operators not being interested in GP | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | markmcclain: but in this case this has been discussed and deliberated for almost an year now | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | we get the consistency in process and the team get its velocity back | 21:53 |
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| marun | regXboi: The goal isn't to banish potentially important features and render them unusable by operators | 21:54 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mestery: Honestly, I think that what Mark proposed should be discussed generically for all the Neutron extensions (to be fair) | 21:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | mestery: what is the process for making such decisions | 21:54 |
| marun | regXboi: The point is to evolve features and then give first-class support to the ones that prove themselves useful | 21:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mestery: ? | 21:54 |
| mestery | Look, we as a community need to move forward here, if we can't do that, then we've lost everything IMHO. | 21:54 |
| mestery | I am not going to make a single decision here. | 21:54 |
| mestery | I don't expect others to either. | 21:55 |
| mestery | This is a COMMUNITY. | 21:55 |
| mestery | Got it? | 21:55 |
| rkukura | marun: That is why we have structured neutron in terms of a small core plus a set of optional services that can be configured (or not). | 21:55 |
| mestery | We need to work together and move forward. | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mestery: absolutely | 21:55 |
| marun | regXboi: We don't have the resources to treat everyone's new thing as worth supporting in the tree. We need to make sure we are prioritizing our efforts. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: there's some merit to that idea for new services.. older services will have a complicated history to sort out | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | marun: this is not everyone's new thing either | 21:55 |
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| regXboi | marun: there is a dangerous assumption in that statement and that is that OpenStack becomes irrelevant if it can't keep up | 21:55 |
| marun | regXboi: I think you're wrong | 21:55 |
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| regXboi | marun: we can agree to disagree on that point | 21:56 |
| marun | regXboi: If that makes you feel better, sure. | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: right we do have optional features but operators depend on us to produce production ready | 21:56 |
| * mestery notes this all ends in 4 minutes. | 21:56 | |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: that's why this need to be discussed properly. And not being a blocker for patches already "ready" | 21:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | ivar-lazzaro: i agree, this is completely adhoc | 21:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclail: otherwise it just becomes a last minute requirement IMHO | 21:57 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: I think your determination of what 'ready' means differs from mine. | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | what we learned by the way we introduced other features is that the path was not optimal | 21:57 |
| emagana | mestery: Reminder for the discussion about CI | 21:57 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: that's kind of the crux of the problem. | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: this is not a last minute requirement | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | this is about figuring the right forward | 21:57 |
| mestery | emagana: We may ahve to move that to the ML given the time left. | 21:57 |
| * armax thinks that this is not to be solved in 3 minutes | 21:57 | |
| markmcclain | experimenting in the master branch does work very well | 21:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: ready means approved by the community (BP) and by the reviewers on technical side (review board) | 21:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | marun: (IMHO of course) | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | what is the point of the specs process when we have to rehash this stuff again after an approval? | 21:58 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain: We are working hard to make the Juno version of group policy production ready. | 21:58 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: is that statement missing a "not"? | 21:58 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: the process is never strictly mechanical. | 21:58 |
| marun | ivar-lazzaro: that is simply how we channel our efforts, and maybe that's all you're seeing. | 21:58 |
| * regXboi thinks armax is spot on | 21:58 | |
| SridarK | kevinbenton: +1 | 21:58 |
| armax | kevinbenton: agile development requires a feeback loop | 21:58 |
| mestery | Look, lets keep this discussion going on the ML given the time left. | 21:58 |
| marun | armax: +1 | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: it is agreed that the API needs users to validate it and that it could change.. production ready mean will support it for a minimum of N+2 cycles | 21:58 |
| mestery | The threads are out there. | 21:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: everything is blocking something which is ready to merge with a request which was never made for similar patches is a last minute requirement for me… | 21:58 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we dont use a waterfall model | 21:58 |
| mestery | I encourage everyone to jump in there. | 21:59 |
| banix | kevinbenton: agree; we need to have these discussions early on | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: then the specs process should go away | 21:59 |
| armax | nothing gets carved in stone | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: because it’s like a guessing ritual | 21:59 |
| marun | kevinbenton: no | 21:59 |
| armax | we revise our decisions, refine, iterate and make things better over time | 21:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | kevinbenton: +1 | 21:59 |
| marun | kevinbenton: it should be enhanced so we iterate on the specs in concert with the code | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: if you notice I'm arguing code merits, just where we should experimenting and baking new features | 21:59 |
| armax | just because a bp is approved doesn’t mean it’s the bible | 21:59 |
| rkukura | we need review input to iterate - that will not happen outside the tree | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | *I'm not arguing code merits* | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mestery: i think there needs to be a clearly defined process on how such decisions are made | 21:59 |
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| marun | rkukura: input from who? | 22:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam_ | mestery: and they should not be applied retroactively | 22:00 |
| armax | I am talking in the general sense here, not GBP specifically | 22:00 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam_: I agree, and again, as a community, we need to decide how that process is defined. | 22:00 |
| marun | rkukura: who are you needing input from that you won't be getting in stackforge? it's not like you can't ask interested cores to do the same thing they do in-tree. | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | I don’t think I hve the technical stature to speak about this specific matter, nor I have visibility into user demands. The only thing I would like to point out, is that orthogonal extensions pose a large workload in terms of reviews on the core team. This is tremendously frustating for contributors as well (with some enraged reactions you might have become aware of). | 22:00 |
| mestery | I'll leave folks with this: | 22:00 |
| emagana | armax: +1 | 22:00 |
| mestery | Neutron is not a dictatorship. | 22:00 |
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| mestery | And with that, lets see everyone next week and on what is sure to be an exciting ML thread. | 22:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 22:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-04-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-04-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-04-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | so at least for this topic I would avoid the rage, unless you see it necessary ;) | 22:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | merkmcclain: exactly, while the BP process was that "time" in which you discussed if the patch is needed or to be merged elsewhere | 22:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: otherwise like Kevin said, BP process becomes kind of useless | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | anyway…. adieuuuuuu | 22:01 |
| regXboi | folks: please take comments to the ML as they don't exist at this point :/ | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | pls move into #openstack-neutron this room is not ours anymore | 22:01 |
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| nati_ueno | Bye | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | regXboi: eavesdrop.openstack.org records channels as well | 22:02 |
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| rkukura | bye | 22:02 |
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