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| jorgem | good morning lbaas | 13:59 |
| evgenyf | Hi | 13:59 |
| sballe_ | morning \o/ | 13:59 |
| ptoohill | mornin' | 13:59 |
| xgerman | gm | 13:59 |
| jorgem | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 14:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:00 |
| blogan | sballe_: thief! thats mine | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| blogan | \\o// | 14:00 |
| johnsom_ | hello | 14:00 |
| vjay | Hi | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | blogan, yeah I really like the \o/ | 14:00 |
| crc32 | hello | 14:00 |
| jorgem | First off does anyone have anything else to add to the agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Meeting_31.07.2014 | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | I do | 14:00 |
| jorgem | sure thing | 14:01 |
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| sballe_ | 2. LBaaS related talk submissions | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | * https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Kilo_LBaaS_talk_submissions | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | * Please add your submissions and VOTE!! VOTE!! VOTE!!! And forward to other so they can VOTE! | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | added | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | Okay let's get going #topic Review Updates | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | I also have two items I things we need to talk about but maybe not today | 14:02 |
| ctracey | morning | 14:02 |
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| sballe_ | 1. Design sessions. | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | * Do we want to prepare for 3? One on Octavia, one on Flavor framework (with Advanced Services team), and on one Neutron LBaaS. | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | * When are the deadlines for design sessions so we don’t miss it. | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | * Also should we talk at the next summit about prioritization of the K work? Should we have some specs/BP submitted prior to the Paris summit? | 14:02 |
| xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/110824 | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | 3. Mid-cycle meetup. | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | * I have noticed that Neutron has their mid-cycle meetup right before juno-2 and nova had it this week. What is the best time for us to have our next meetup? Before kilo-2 or right after? | 14:02 |
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| sballe_ | apology for messing up the flow | 14:02 |
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| jorgem | no worries, actually do you mind updating the agenda wiki with all of that? lol | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | sure | 14:02 |
| jorgem | thanks | 14:03 |
| jorgem | Okay on to the first topic | 14:03 |
| jorgem | #topic Review Updates | 14:03 |
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| jorgem | Any reviews need attention? | 14:03 |
| xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/110824 | 14:03 |
| xgerman | ok, now it's time | 14:03 |
| blogan | We need to start gettnig the 3 log jammer reviews merged in | 14:03 |
| ctracey | jorgem: I will have a whole bunch of them | 14:03 |
| jorgem | Let's link them all out here | 14:04 |
| blogan | the first one, the extension, can get merged in asap | 14:04 |
| jorgem | using the hastag link feature | 14:04 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/110824 | 14:04 |
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| blogan | xgerman: ah awesome getting that updated | 14:04 |
| xgerman | Min did the work :-) | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | +1 for Min | 14:05 |
| jorgem | Everyone please add your links and let us know if there is a particular area you'd like the community to review or if you just need a general review. | 14:05 |
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| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105331 | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I don't suppose there's a particular order you're looking to get yours done in? | 14:06 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: well they have to be done in order of the dependencies | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | Right | 14:07 |
| blogan | the link above is the beginning of the chain | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | nice any other reviews? | 14:07 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105609 | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106867/26 | 14:07 |
| crc32 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109849/ <-- I'd kinda like to get this one rail roaded through so we can start parallel development. | 14:07 |
| rm_work | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107845/ | 14:07 |
| blogan | made some changes last night to that one above, thats another topic though | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106867/27 | 14:08 |
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| jorgem | okay, I just wanted all the links so we can easily go through the chat logs :) | 14:08 |
| jorgem | thanks | 14:08 |
| jorgem | moving on... | 14:08 |
| jorgem | #topic Octavia Work | 14:08 |
| rm_work | ah yeah, needed to discuss the link crc32 provided with evgeny | 14:08 |
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| jorgem | So... | 14:09 |
| evgenyf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109035/ will be ready for review later today after I will fix migration issues | 14:09 |
| jorgem | For those that are interested in Octavia work it would be nice if you could do some research on what network topologies you think you'll be using in production. | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | evgenyf, ping folks on openstack-lbaas and i'll be happy to review | 14:10 |
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| rm_work | evgenyf: I pushed a change to one of your reviews (the barbican/TLS stubs), can you take a look and see if that looks ok to you? I have been the one doing the barbican development, and that is the flow I see to be necessary | 14:10 |
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| jorgem | One area of concern right now is how exactly will Octavia plug in to our respective networks | 14:10 |
| evgenyf | rm_work: I saw it and pushed a fix for pep8 issue. I will comment inline | 14:11 |
| rm_work | ah k | 14:11 |
| rm_work | thanks | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | rm_work: Thank you | 14:11 |
| jorgem | Anyone have questions about this? So far, BB, HP and Rackspace are doing this. Ebay/Paypal? | 14:11 |
| crc32 | so how do we work on this in parrallel though? It seems like each pathch set is treated as a brand new commit in gerrit. | 14:11 |
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| evgenyf | crc32: we have dependencies | 14:12 |
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| sballe_ | jorgem, Do we agree that Octavia needs to support OpenStack supported network setup | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | On jorgem's point: I'm hoping similarities in needs will emerge here so that there are a limited set of topologies that we need to solve for. | 14:13 |
| rm_work | it will make things easier if we get some of these things pushed through <_< | 14:13 |
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| jorgem | evgenyf: crc32: Let me bring up your topic next | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | sballe_: I'm not sure what an "unsupported" OpenStack network setup would look like. But for now, let's just gather the data on what people need here. | 14:13 |
| jorgem | Sorry I kind of rushed the reviews :/ | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | sbalukoff, I just want to make sure that we are assuming Neutron is there. | 14:14 |
| jorgem | sballe_: Yes agreed. | 14:14 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:14 |
| sbalukoff | sballe_: Yes, we're working with Neutron. | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | and aren't planning for Octavia to support other networking packages | 14:14 |
| jorgem | sballe_: I would say that's the default if that's even a concept here | 14:14 |
| sbalukoff | sballe_: Not initially. | 14:14 |
| xgerman | but the only Neutron reference implementation I know is devstack | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | jorgem, ok just making sure we are all in agreement :-) | 14:14 |
| sballe_ | xgerman, and HP Public cloud | 14:15 |
| jorgem | The idea is for production networks. | 14:15 |
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| sballe_ | jorgem, Makes sense. | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | Again, let's just gather the data for now, eh. :) | 14:16 |
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| xgerman | jorgem, agreed. | 14:16 |
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| jorgem | #action Interested parties in Octavia to research their respective network topologies by next week. | 14:16 |
| jorgem | Also, the Octavia folks are going to start up the meetings again next week | 14:16 |
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| sbalukoff | Same bat time, same bat channel. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: Correct, until we deem otherwise right? | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | So, Wednesdays at 1:00pm PDT (20:00 UTC), iniitally via video chat using A10 networks webex. | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Yep! | 14:17 |
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| sbalukoff | Also, Doug says we can plan on using that webex indefinitely. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | cool, anything else related to Octavia? | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | (Thank you, Doug!) | 14:18 |
| jorgem | +1 | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 14:18 |
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| sballe_ | dougwig, +100 | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | Please review... | 14:18 |
| blogan | so if octavia has its own meeting essentially, should we not discuss in detail octavia in here? | 14:18 |
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| sbalukoff | This: | 14:18 |
| jorgem | that makes sense | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110563 | 14:18 |
| sballe_ | sbalukoff, can you send an invite out with the info ? | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | sballe_: Yes. Can those interested in attending that meeting contact me directly? sbalukoff@bluebox.net | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | We should eventually get this into a wiki. | 14:19 |
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| jorgem | Okay, ready for next topic? | 14:19 |
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| jorgem | #topic Parallel TLS Work | 14:20 |
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| jorgem | crc32: evgenyf ? | 14:20 |
| evgenyf | Yes, | 14:20 |
| rm_work | and rm_work | 14:20 |
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| jorgem | and rm_work :) | 14:20 |
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| evgenyf | TLS is now depending on the whole tree of blogan (extension, DB, tests) and on Barbican common module as well | 14:21 |
| crc32 | I'm just wondering how we all work together with gerrit so that the end work doesn't look like one confusing Patchset with a single author when it gets merged into github. | 14:21 |
| evgenyf | I made some mistaken commits there, sorry for that | 14:21 |
| blogan | and its a redwood tree! | 14:21 |
| evgenyf | now it seems OK | 14:21 |
| rm_work | well, stubbing like this is one way | 14:21 |
| rm_work | my work is mostly in one file, and crc32's will be in another | 14:22 |
| blogan | evgenyf: no problems, we're in uncharted territory for many people | 14:22 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: hopefully my email helped out | 14:22 |
| evgenyf | blogan:It helped me, thank you | 14:22 |
| crc32 | Its like the last if one person adds a single line and are the last ones to modify the patchset then poof when it the commit gets merged it looks like that single person wrote the entire commit. How do we resolve this? | 14:22 |
| rm_work | unless we are not planning to merge the stubs, and actually need to do the code in this one CR... | 14:22 |
| ptoohill | rm_work are you doing the plugin integration? | 14:22 |
| jorgem | crc32: We have an agenda item that dougwig added about that. | 14:23 |
| rm_work | ptoohill: I probably will do everything in barbican_utils.py, which is to say, I think yes? | 14:23 |
| blogan | im pretty sure you're supposed to do the code | 14:23 |
| ptoohill | ok, was asking more about the work that will need to be done in the plugin, which i may work on if needed | 14:23 |
| rm_work | I'll be working on providing the raw methods that other people will need to use to get certificate data | 14:24 |
| blogan | evgenyf: you're intention was not just for the stubs to get merged in, but for rm_work and crc32 to actually implement the code in that review correct? | 14:24 |
| ptoohill | gotcha, then ill be using what your working on ;) thank you | 14:24 |
| evgenyf | blogan: right | 14:24 |
| evgenyf | I only pushed the skeleton with API | 14:24 |
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| evgenyf | And integrated a call to it in TLS patch | 14:25 |
| rm_work | k, well then crc32 i don't see a way around it, one person will end up getting "credit", but does it really matter? don't think any of us are still in need of ATC status or anything | 14:25 |
| rm_work | and we can add co-authored-by | 14:25 |
| xgerman | well, there is a way to add up to 5 people | 14:25 |
| xgerman | yep co-authored | 14:25 |
| xgerman | they should get credit, too | 14:26 |
| ptoohill | stacklytics still tracks each commit even though the one that makes it 'in' is by one author i believe | 14:26 |
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| rm_work | yeah, i don't know if i care whose name pops up next to the line in a git-blame :P | 14:26 |
| rm_work | heck, if it's NOT me, then people might bug me about it less in the future :) | 14:26 |
| rm_work | we'll just have to coordinate when making patchsets for that CR | 14:27 |
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| crc32 | ok I'll ask my questions about gerrit on the mailing list. | 14:27 |
| blogan | i just want it merged in | 14:27 |
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| jorgem | #action Send email to ML on parallel dev with Gerrit | 14:28 |
| jorgem | Okay, ready for next topic? | 14:28 |
| sballe_ | sure | 14:28 |
| jorgem | k | 14:29 |
| jorgem | #topic Change to move handling of ACTIVE/ERROR/DEFERRED and db deletes out of drivers | 14:29 |
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| jorgem | dougwig: ? | 14:29 |
| blogan | well i'm sure I can take this one | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | I've not seen him say anything this morning yet. | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | Go for it, eh! | 14:30 |
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| xgerman | go, blogan, go | 14:30 |
| jorgem | you can do it blogan! | 14:30 |
| blogan | basically, in v1 the drivers were responsible for deleting the actual entities out of the database, and setting the correct status when the operation was complete or failed | 14:30 |
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| blogan | following this same workflow with the new models meant that there's is just a ton of status management and db management for every driver to do, and every driver can do it differently | 14:31 |
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| ptoohill | dougwig said he may have some issues getting to meeting today, just fyi | 14:32 |
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| blogan | so I pushed up code last night in which the plugin takes care of the db deletes and status management, and the driver's only duties are to do waht they do best, and raise exceptions when bad things happen | 14:32 |
| jorgem | blogan: I think that's nice and clean | 14:32 |
| avishayb | blogan: only the driver can set the status - no one else - right? | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | I like the idea, but it seems a little unfair to impose that on vendors without anyone here being a voice for a vendors in this... | 14:32 |
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| johnsom_ | I like this model too | 14:33 |
| sbalukoff | Oh hey! | 14:33 |
| blogan | avishayb: now the driver shouldn't set the status, if an error happens driver needs to throw an exception | 14:33 |
| sballe_ | blogan, +1 | 14:33 |
| sbalukoff | avishayb is here! | 14:33 |
| blogan | avishayb: otherwise it is assumed everything went well and ACTIVE will happen | 14:33 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 Exceptions good | 14:33 |
| xgerman | blogan, there was alaso the mixin | 14:34 |
| xgerman | how do they relate | 14:34 |
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| blogan | this logic should get more robust as time goes on as well | 14:34 |
| sbalukoff | avishayb: What do you think of blogan's proposal? | 14:34 |
| avishayb | Radware driver is async - he can 'decide' about the status 2 min after the call to the driver is done. | 14:34 |
| blogan | xgerman: mixin? | 14:34 |
| xgerman | I thought dougwig had some set_sttaus mixin at one point | 14:35 |
| jorgem | blogan: So if exception go into ERROR status, otherwise go into ACTIVE (or similar) status? | 14:35 |
| sbalukoff | I suspect the Radware driver won't be the only async one. | 14:35 |
| vjay | if it is a long operation for the driver, what is recomended for the driver to do?? | 14:35 |
| blogan | hmm i looked at radware's and didn't think it looked like it was async | 14:35 |
| avishayb | let me share with you what we are doing - we return ASAP to the caller plugin and doing activity in the bg | 14:36 |
| jorgem | vjay: Same concern (potentiall) for Octavia as well. | 14:36 |
| blogan | is the driver doing a periodic check? | 14:36 |
| avishayb | yep | 14:36 |
| jorgem | callbacks??? | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | Aah-- so that's where we can hook in | 14:36 |
| blogan | well that's a monkey wrench in gears | 14:37 |
| xgerman | I thought the plan was to offer the mixin and then fill in code to put it on a queue, in DB, whatever | 14:37 |
| avishayb | radware driver has a thread that takes care of the bg work. this thread does the state management | 14:37 |
| vjay | netscaler also falls in similar model to radware. the driver will return almost instantaneously.. | 14:37 |
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| blogan | okay we need to discuss this further then because drivers takign care of all the status management will be insane because one driver will do it one way and another do it another | 14:38 |
| vjay | Once the operation is complete driver should be able to mark the operation COMPLETE | 14:38 |
| jorgem | Sounds like a topic for ML. | 14:38 |
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| xgerman | the whole status thing is a can of worms | 14:39 |
| blogan | sounds like a brain storm needs to happen after this meeting if people can | 14:39 |
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| jorgem | xgerman: hmm I remember saying something about this... | 14:39 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:39 |
| avishayb | another point about status - as for now it is an open set in DB. Every driver can push in whatever he likes too - right? | 14:39 |
| blogan | you mean it can be any string? | 14:39 |
| xgerman | that's another thing we like to change | 14:40 |
| avishayb | too == to | 14:40 |
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| avishayb | yep - any string. | 14:40 |
| blogan | yeah that is true, no enums in the db | 14:40 |
| avishayb | its not DB Enum | 14:40 |
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| avishayb | those points are part of a bigger discussion - 'state management' - right? | 14:41 |
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| blogan | yes indeed | 14:41 |
| xgerman | + 1 | 14:41 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:41 |
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| vjay | +1 | 14:41 |
| blogan | and who should have that responsibility | 14:41 |
| xgerman | tate management might be another design session ;-) | 14:42 |
| xgerman | tate=state | 14:42 |
| jorgem | okay ML it is for this then. Let's move onto next topic cause this one is a big one | 14:42 |
| avishayb | It is out of J scope for sure. | 14:42 |
| sballe_ | jorgem, agreed | 14:42 |
| avishayb | so lets wake it up in ML | 14:42 |
| jorgem | #topic Don't let gerrit overwrite dependent commits | 14:42 |
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| jorgem | dougwig brought this up but is not here so….blogan?!? | 14:42 |
| xgerman | is there a way we can technically prevent that? | 14:43 |
| jorgem | I don't think we can force gerrit to do this. | 14:43 |
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| jorgem | at least, without affecting everyone in openstack | 14:43 |
| jorgem | == probably not going to happen quickly | 14:43 |
| xgerman | so we are talking convention | 14:43 |
| blogan | anyone who is doing gerrit dependent reviews should read this email: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041470.html | 14:43 |
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| sbalukoff | Would it be helpful to publish a 'best practices' guide to avoid accidentally doing this? | 14:44 |
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| sbalukoff | (Something like what blogan sent to the ML) | 14:44 |
| evgenyf | When adding dependencies for the first time and commiting, every dependencies get an empty commit, next times - no | 14:44 |
| sbalukoff | Dang, I'm slow. | 14:44 |
| ptoohill | cherry-pick is friend, following those practices in mail makes things easier without the mess as i can attest | 14:44 |
| blogan | im pretty sure everyone has overwritten a dependent commit | 14:44 |
| blogan | its the initiation process | 14:45 |
| sballe_ | blogan, Can we add this to the wiki? | 14:45 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 14:45 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:45 |
| xgerman | in red and blinking | 14:45 |
| blogan | yeah that'd be good | 14:45 |
| jorgem | #action blogan to add best practices for gerrit to wiki | 14:45 |
| jorgem | okay next topic? | 14:45 |
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| sbalukoff | I would recommend adding it to the gerrit workflow wiki page. | 14:45 |
| blogan | yeah ill do that | 14:46 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:46 |
| sbalukoff | So it's easy for everyone to find. | 14:46 |
| jorgem | agreed | 14:46 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:46 |
| jorgem | #topic LBaaS related talk submissions | 14:46 |
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| jorgem | sballe_: floor is yours | 14:46 |
| sballe_ | thx | 14:46 |
| sballe_ | I just want to make sure we get as many LBaaS related talks in as possible. | 14:46 |
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| crc32 | #link is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Kilo_LBaaS_talk_submissions | 14:47 |
| sballe_ | So I asked folks to list them on the etherpad and then we all need to VOTE! | 14:47 |
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| sballe_ | please ask your friends to vote too! | 14:47 |
| sballe_ | that is pretty much it | 14:47 |
| jorgem | I made posters for the lbaas campaign and put them up at the public library :) | 14:48 |
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| xgerman | go cube to cube... | 14:48 |
| sballe_ | jorgem, sounds great +1 | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 14:48 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:48 |
| jorgem | okay next topic | 14:48 |
| jorgem | #topic Design Sessions | 14:48 |
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| jorgem | sballe_: all you again! | 14:49 |
| sballe_ | ok so mestery told me the deadline is late September | 14:49 |
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| sbalukoff | Submission deadline for that is Sebtember right? | 14:49 |
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| sballe_ | so we migth be a little early here ;) | 14:49 |
| jorgem | specifically which date? | 14:49 |
| sballe_ | he didn;t say | 14:49 |
| xgerman | assume 9/1 | 14:49 |
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| xgerman | then we waon't miss it | 14:49 |
| sballe_ | I just want to make sure we get sessions in on time and that we know what sessions we want to prepare for. | 14:50 |
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| sballe_ | Also do we want to prepare spcs/BP to talk about during htese sessions? | 14:50 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | Anyway this was just a heads up that we still have to submit the design sessons and think about how we want to proceed | 14:51 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:51 |
| xgerman | last time session space was pretty scarce | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | jorgem, maybe we should do a status on this one every week | 14:51 |
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| jorgem | sballe_: Should we add it to the weekly standup? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | this is a group thing so I am not sure how the weekly standup would wotk. | 14:52 |
| jorgem | We can just add it to the top I'm thinking | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | I believe we need the following 3 sessions: One on Octavia, one on Flavor framework (with Advanced Services team), and on one Neutron LBaaS. | 14:52 |
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| sballe_ | jorgem, ok at the top would work | 14:53 |
| jorgem | I don't disagree with that | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: +1 | 14:53 |
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| jorgem | sballe_: Would you like to own that then? | 14:53 |
| blogan | sballe_: won't eugene or mark be the one's who create that design session? | 14:53 |
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| blogan | i mean teh flavor framework one | 14:54 |
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| sballe_ | blogan, Not sure. Why Eugene> | 14:54 |
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| xgerman | we can suggest sessions :-) | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | the flavor one will need to e cross team. I agree | 14:54 |
| xgerman | Kyle will schedule | 14:54 |
| blogan | isn't he the one doing the implementation of the flavor framework? | 14:54 |
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| sballe_ | jorgem, I am fine with putting me on as the owner for that. I'll coordinate :) | 14:55 |
| jorgem | sballe_: K thanks | 14:55 |
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| jorgem | #action sballe_ to coordinate design sessions | 14:55 |
| jorgem | k, last topic with 5 mins left! | 14:55 |
| sballe_ | jorgem, blogan xgerman i'll reach out to the Advanced Services team to make sure we have a session on flavors | 14:56 |
| jorgem | #topic Mid-cycle meetup. | 14:56 |
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| sballe_ | This is more a retrospective thing and we don;t have to address it today | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | I would like for us to figure out whta worked and didn;t work for us with our meetup being so early in the cycle compared to other groups. Also I was wonderign if we should have scheduled a second one after juno-2 to make sure we get the last coding done | 14:57 |
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| sballe_ | Maybe we can discuss this at the paris summit in person at the neutron pod | 14:58 |
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| sbalukoff | sballe_: +1 | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | that's it for taht topi | 14:58 |
| blogan | sballe_: im sure that will work | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | s/topic | 14:58 |
| jorgem | okay | 14:58 |
| xgerman | okay | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Discussion at the paris summit to decide this makes sense. | 14:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Is that it? Done with a minute to spare | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | ? | 14:58 |
| vjay | blogan: w.r.t. extension review, if you get the code back to where it was earlier (driver doing the DB update, extension giving the functions for help) it will be easier to get it through. what do you think? | 14:59 |
| vjay | just one last thing :-) | 14:59 |
| vjay | i can take it up on openstack-lbaas | 14:59 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: Mailing list! | 14:59 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:59 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:59 |
| blogan | vjay: im afraid ill be gong that route | 14:59 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 14:59 |
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| blogan | vjay: but the extension review wasn't affected by this so it can get in still | 15:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jorgem | alrighty I believe we are out of time ladies and gents | 15:00 |
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| blogan | later | 15:00 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks y'all! | 15:00 |
| jorgem | move to lbaas channel? | 15:00 |
| vjay | thanks! | 15:00 |
| vjay | sure | 15:00 |
| jorgem | see you guys! | 15:00 |
| vjay | ! | 15:00 |
| jorgem | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 15:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-31-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-31-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-31-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 31 15:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nsaje | o/ | 15:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| DinaBelova | yay! | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | hey y'all | 15:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | #topic Juno-3 planning | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | k, so we're down to the wire now on getting juno spec landed | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | major ones to land are ... | 15:02 |
| eglynn | 'big-data' sql part 2 by gordc | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | s/by/featuring/ | 15:03 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:03 |
| * gordc needs to get to work | 15:03 | |
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| eglynn | and one of the central agent SPoF specs, featuring fabiog_ or nsaje | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | I'm think most of the rest of the open proposals are going to punt to kilo at this stage | 15:04 |
| eglynn | *thinking | 15:04 |
| jd__ | is Gnocchi dispatcher for the collector targeted/tracked? | 15:05 |
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| vrovachev | o/ | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yep | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | jd__: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/dispatcher-for-gnocchi-integration | 15:05 |
| eglynn | here's the current list for juno-3 ... https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:05 |
| jd__ | thanks | 15:06 |
| eglynn | so I'm goning to add in "blocked" launchpad BPs for the two I mentioned earlier | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (pending the specs getting landed) | 15:06 |
| gordc | eglynn: so just the central agent related spec we need to push through? any other ones that we should prioritise? | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (so that they show on the radar used by the release manager) | 15:06 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, central agent HA do you mean? | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yep we need yours sql-a II and one of the central agent specs (or a combo) | 15:07 |
| llu-laptop | links for the major ones eglynn mentioned: #link https://review.openstack.org/110985 #link https://review.openstack.org/101009 | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | oh, sorry | 15:07 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | so, please do fire up your reviewing engines and lets target EoW to get the specs aspect closed off if possible | 15:08 |
| nsaje | and/or #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101282/ | 15:08 |
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| Kurt_Rao | is there a way to push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104784/ faster? | 15:08 |
| fabiog_ | nsaje and eglynn: I will update it with the latest changes | 15:09 |
| ildikov | Kurt_Rao: from the moment we can agree how to do it :) | 15:09 |
| eglynn | Kurt_Rao: I guess address the issues in the -1 reviews? | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | so which one is for central agent SPOF, https://review.openstack.org/110985 or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101282/ ? I think the former one, right? | 15:09 |
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| nsaje | llu-laptop: they are different approaches, it's up to you cores which approach to take, or a combination of the two | 15:10 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: these capture alternative approaches to the same problem | 15:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn: the problem is that there are conflicting preferences | 15:10 |
| eglynn | ildikov: conflicting preferences on instance.uptime? | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | nsaje: eglynn: got that, thx | 15:10 |
| ildikov | eglynn: on how to have smth that looks like an instance.uptime | 15:10 |
| Kurt_Rao | Sure. Can Fabio please comment on how notification works if the VM is on for a really long time? If no state change notification received, no new sample will be generated, and that means billing system will not know what's the uptime | 15:11 |
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| ildikov | Kurt_Rao: so if we cannot agree there, than a meeting topic maybe would speed up the process a bit | 15:11 |
| eglynn | ildikov: OK, so it only land if those conflicts are resolved on gerrit I guess | 15:11 |
| * eglynn states the obvious ... | 15:11 | |
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| eglynn | ildikov, Kurt_Rao: let's try to resolve this on gerrit if possible | 15:12 |
| ildikov | eglynn: but thanks for reminding ;) | 15:12 |
| Kurt_Rao | ok | 15:12 |
| Kurt_Rao | sure | 15:12 |
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| gordc | Kurt_Rao: good point, can you add that to gerrit as well (if you haven't already) | 15:12 |
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| fabiog_ | Kurt_Rao: if there are not new notifications it means that the VM has been running all the time | 15:13 |
| fabiog_ | Kurt_Rao: why do you need a constant reminder? | 15:13 |
| jd__ | or it crashed and you don't know it? | 15:13 |
| fabiog_ | jd__: if it crashed there is a state change | 15:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: Kurt_Rao: yeap, I've raised this problem earlier on gerrit, so the mechanism how that meter would be generated is not clear | 15:14 |
| gordc | fabiog_: i think he's using polling as a heartbeat type verification. but yeah, we can discuss later or on gerrit | 15:14 |
| jd__ | fabiog_: and you need something to notify you | 15:14 |
| ildikov | but maybe we should continue this in the open discussion part, if we will have time there today | 15:14 |
| * jd__ shuts up | 15:14 | |
| fabiog_ | gordonc: and jd__: nova does that already | 15:15 |
| * gordc puts away the tape. | 15:15 | |
| Kurt_Rao | fabiog_: I think we'd better discuss on the gerrit. But the reason I like the spec is, it's really easy for the billing system to use it. Simply query statistics api with sum aggregation | 15:15 |
| eglynn | yeah in general, easiest to follow if all the points and counter-points are captured in the same place (i.e. gerrit) | 15:16 |
| eglynn | so I guess the point ot bear in mind in that juno-3 will be cut 5 weeks from today | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | ... and with that happy thought ;) | 15:18 |
| eglynn | shat we move on to the next topic? | 15:18 |
| nealph | wow...that silence speaks volumes. :) | 15:18 |
| ildikov | nealph: LOL :) | 15:18 |
| Kurt_Rao | :D | 15:18 |
| eglynn | #topic Tempest status / in-tree functional testing | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | hehe, ok | 15:19 |
| eglynn | so I guess y'all saw the thread on the ML from the QA crew? | 15:19 |
| eglynn | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041057.html | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | fyi, so we have nova and glance notifications merged, and swift, cinder, neutron almost done - that's about the api testing | 15:20 |
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| DinaBelova | just to fit the topic | 15:20 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: so the outstanding tempest patches, just the alarm-history now? | 15:20 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: did you guys ever run Ilya's performance tests against current code to see if anything performance has degraded since prevoius tests? | 15:21 |
| * eglynn answers own question ... https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/add-basic-ceilometer-tests,n,z | 15:21 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, 'almost done' == 'final review cycle' | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, last time we ran tests were mid-cycle time | 15:22 |
| eglynn | gordc: when you do suspect the degardation happened, between juno-1 and juno-2? | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, on master I mean | 15:22 |
| gordc | eglynn: when was juno-2? i guess the tempest tests started to fail around July1? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | gordc: juno-2 was July 24th | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah so that's about mid-way between j1 & j2 | 15:24 |
| gordc | eglynn: although it started to get better right before we disabled tempest tests... | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | well, we used ~end of june code to test - that time it was ok | 15:24 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: would it be possible to spin up the tests again for juno-2? | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | at least on testing envs | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | of course, sure | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | action on ityaptin, please :) | 15:24 |
| eglynn | actually, didn't we talk about making it easy for the perf test runs to be reproducible? | 15:25 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: thanks! also are there instructions on how to run tests myself? | 15:25 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, sorry, still in progress | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | ityaptin is finishing the doc | 15:25 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: cool cool | 15:25 |
| eglynn | #action ityaptin re-run performance tests against juno-2 | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | to do that actually reproducible by other folks | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | not only him :) | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | ityaptin promises to finish it today :) | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:26 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, that would be really useful so that gordc can say bisect the timeline between j1 & j2 | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, sorry, not so easy to find time for doc writing with all these multi-node-jenkins researches | 15:26 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: also, do you wanna speak to your experimental mongodb jobs in the gate? | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | yeah | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | only one change is separating us with this | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110247/ | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | it was even approved | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | but eventually gate job failed | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | although it was ok while the check | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | so the approval was removed | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | after I went through the logs I found nothing related to the change, although I could not actually find the reason... | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | that's why I'm trying to ping sdague :) | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | probably his experience will help me to find the actual issue - if it was | 15:28 |
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| DinaBelova | and if there will be no reason to keep this change on the review - it'll be merged I guess | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha, ok, does it seem like a transient failure? | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, indeed | 15:29 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, actually I can't understand what was the reason for it, but I see nothing familiar in the previous runs logs | 15:30 |
| eglynn | latest run is all green, so maybe a few more green rechecks might convince Joshua? | 15:30 |
| eglynn | (i.e. convince him to re-approve) | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I'll run some :) | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | cool, thanks! | 15:30 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:30 |
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| cdent | eglynn: whoa | 15:30 |
| eglynn | jd__: floor is yours, sir! | 15:31 |
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| cdent | I had added the second half of the earlier topic | 15:31 |
| eglynn | cdent: did I cut that off too abruptly? | 15:31 |
| jd__ | so what's new, a couple of new API call just to make things simpler to use | 15:31 |
| cdent | yeah: in-tree functional testing | 15:31 |
| cdent | The topic is: What we doing about that? | 15:31 |
| cdent | (if anything) | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | hehe, I have python-opentsdbclient repo, btw :) /me moving the code from the abandoned patch to it | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | cdent: I mentioned that at the start of the topic | 15:31 |
| jd__ | the new statistics/carbonara code has been merged, I don't recall if it was the case last week :) | 15:31 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... and nobody bit | 15:32 |
| cdent | I didn't see any plan or resolution | 15:32 |
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| cdent | It seemed rather that we moved on before any biting could happen.. | 15:32 |
| eglynn | cdent: ok, let's return to it after gnocchi update | 15:32 |
| cdent | ✓ | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | now I'm just a bit worried about nothing moved on the dispatcher code (hint ildikov :) | 15:33 |
| jd__ | and I'm gonna start working on archive policy next | 15:33 |
| jd__ | jd out | 15:33 |
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| ildikov | jd__: /me is still in docco writing mode, so don't worry, I'm already suffering for my sins :( :) | 15:33 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, I'll need to work with you on the archiving policy | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: more than reviewing my patches? | 15:33 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... to fit it in with the capabilities of influxdb | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, hehe :D | 15:33 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ack | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: well I'll start something soon and we'll iterate over that I guess | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, cool! | 15:34 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, so I reached out to pauldix on the status of the influx releases, it's a little behind but prolly enough for me to get restarted with the driver | 15:34 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | anything else on the tasty Italian pasta? | 15:35 |
| * DinaBelova found it in the local shop | 15:36 | |
| jd__ | not from me | 15:36 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: we could have an Amatriciana too ;-) | 15:36 |
| ildikov | neither from me :( | 15:36 |
| jd__ | ildikov: no ETA btw? | 15:36 |
| jd__ | *NO PRESSURE* | 15:36 |
| jd__ | :-D | 15:36 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, you're too cruel :) | 15:37 |
| ildikov | jd__: will start writing some code this week | 15:37 |
| eglynn | cool :) | 15:37 |
| jd__ | ildikov: ok cool, though remember we're on Thursday already ;-) | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | oh yeah a shameless plug for votes ... https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/rethinking-ceilometer-metric-storage-with-gnocchi-time-series-as-a-service | 15:37 |
| * jd__ whispers | 15:37 | |
| ildikov | jd__: no need to remind me about this simple fact... ;) | 15:38 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | k, shall we return to the in-tree tests? | 15:38 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:38 | |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah | 15:38 |
| eglynn | #topic in-tree functional testing | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | so I already linked the ML thread above | 15:39 |
| cdent | It's basically just a question of: are we going to try to do something about soonish, or wait for tempest librarization? | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | this was also discussed a bit at the project/status meeting on Tuesday | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | cdent: the time horizon is kilo | 15:39 |
| jd__ | I didn't read that thread but I definitely like the idae | 15:39 |
| cdent | It really surprises me, given the state of testing that it's not a higher priority. | 15:40 |
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| jd__ | since I've been ranting about that for months… :D | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | I pushed for a small number of solid exemplars to be in place initially, to avoid too much divergence/duplication of effort when the other projects follow suit | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | cdent: to be exact here's the statement ... | 15:40 |
| eglynn | <jeblair> i'd guess that we'd expect to see a good pattern in place by juno, and maybe push harder for wide adoption in kilo | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | that sounds to me that it drills down to the usual problem "who's gonna work on that?" | 15:41 |
| cdent | sounds like politics | 15:41 |
| eglynn | "good pattern" == "built out for 1 or maybe 2 projects" | 15:41 |
| jd__ | if nobody has the time there's no point discussing it… | 15:41 |
| eglynn | sounds like resource-starvation more than politics | 15:41 |
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| cdent | the jeblair comment, not the jd__ comment | 15:42 |
| jeblair | cdent: ? | 15:42 |
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| cdent | It's politics to prioritize features over fundamental | 15:42 |
| eglynn | I think there is general agreement on it being the only sane approach to solve the tempest madness | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | well, the question is in the resources, yeah.. Vadim still busy on current tempest tests (just simple, just as tempesty as they can be, but actually no time no for this approach from him) | 15:42 |
| eglynn | jeblair: just taking your name in vain above, explaining teh discussion at the project/release status meeting on Tuesday last | 15:43 |
| jeblair | cdent: i mean that we have a couple of projects that have started on a pattern for in tree functional testing | 15:43 |
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| jeblair | cdent: so we'll work out the kinks there, and hopefully then other projects will have an easier time adopting it | 15:43 |
| eglynn | full context is here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-07-29-21.05.log.html#l-18 | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks for the link here | 15:43 |
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| cdent | thanks | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | jeblair: +1 on the kinks being ironed out once or twice, as opposed to multiple times in parallel in potentially different ways | 15:44 |
| sdague | DinaBelova: sorry, been at Nova meetup this week. I just reaaproved the d-g change | 15:44 |
| cdent | so the action, for now, as far as ceilo is concerned is wait, yes? | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | sdague, oh, thank you sir!! | 15:44 |
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| sdague | From my tablet in a coffee shop :-) | 15:44 |
| jd__ | cdent: we're good at that | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | sdague, hehe, nice :) have a nice coffee-break :) | 15:45 |
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| jeblair | cdent: i think so; maybe start thinking about how it would work and check in on on other projects as they make progress on it | 15:45 |
| eglynn | cdent: no, the actions are to participate in the discussion, ensure our needs will be catered for, keep abreast of the exemplar projects as they progress | 15:45 |
| cdent | It would be useful for there to be some stronger expression on what these things need to do. Not _now_, but _why_. | 15:45 |
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| jeblair | swift and neutron both have some amount of functional testing | 15:45 |
| jeblair | or what eglynn says :) | 15:45 |
| cdent | s/now/how/ | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | jeblair, cdent, eglynn - Vadim may take action on this in next few weeks (speaking about the research) | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | and we all will keep track on this | 15:46 |
| cdent | As the stuff I've read feels like it makes some assumptions about the goals and it would help if it was a bit more explicit. | 15:46 |
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| * jd__ hopes next step will be in-tree documentation | 15:46 | |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, ++ | 15:47 |
| jeblair | cdent: a big part of the goal is better testing closer to the project -- so we catch bugs is a simpler environment instead of counting on a huge complex deployment to expose them | 15:47 |
| * cdent nods | 15:47 | |
| cdent | that's understood | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | ok, if we defined some vector of working/investigating, may we move on? | 15:47 |
| cdent | yes | 15:47 |
| eglynn | cdent: perhaps you could chime in also in the ML thread seeking that explicitness? | 15:47 |
| cdent | will do | 15:48 |
| eglynn | moving on? | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 15:48 |
| eglynn | #topic Meeting for Central Agent HA revised proposal | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | fabiog_: was the intent to seek a seperate meeting on this? | 15:48 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: yes | 15:48 |
| fabiog_ | I would like to have a meeting over the phone and shared screen to illustrate the proposal | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, with slides, etc | 15:49 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: so we've only 5 weeks left to juno-3, so we'll need to move fast on this | 15:49 |
| fabiog_ | I also contacted Joshua to have him on the meeting and see how we can leverage Taskflow | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | there is also another proposal on the table | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog_ is right here - it'll be more visualized | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | fabiog_: when did you have in mind? | 15:49 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: I can do it next week as early as Mon?tue | 15:50 |
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| DinaBelova | nsaje, will you attend the call? | 15:50 |
| fabiog_ | depends on people avail | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | it'll be cool | 15:50 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: will the slidedeck be distributed in advance? | 15:50 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: Monday is a public holiday in Ireland | 15:50 |
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| fabiog_ | I can send it around later today | 15:50 |
| fabiog_ | ok let's try Tue | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 15:50 |
| idegtiarov_ | +1 | 15:50 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: yep tmrw or Tues | 15:51 |
| nsaje | DinaBelova: yes | 15:51 |
| fabiog_ | is this time ok for you guys? I will try to invite someone from Y! to explain what Taskflow can do | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | nsaje, cool, just to have all interested eyes in one place | 15:51 |
| fabiog_ | I mean Tue 8am PDT | 15:51 |
| jd__ | not good for me but doesn't matter | 15:51 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: yep, this time works for me, can you send an invite? | 15:51 |
| jd__ | I work asynchronously :-) | 15:51 |
| eglynn | jd__: well we can find a time that does suit? | 15:52 |
| llu-laptop|2 | fabiog_: PDT means UTC-? | 15:52 |
| fabiog_ | yes I will send an invite to all of you | 15:52 |
| jd__ | eglynn: doodle? | 15:52 |
| ildikov | fabiog_: I would participate too | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, jd__ is async :D | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yep, a capital idea! | 15:52 |
| jd__ | if you want to have everyone, just doodle it | 15:52 |
| * eglynn loves doodle :) | 15:52 | |
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| fabiog_ | UTC is PDT+8 | 15:52 |
| jd__ | otherwise I don't really care to be absent, I'll bash the final specs ;-P | 15:52 |
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| Kurt_Rao | is now around 9am PDT? | 15:53 |
| jd__ | yes Kurt_Rao | 15:53 |
| Kurt_Rao | :) | 15:53 |
| fabiog_ | Kurt_Rao: yes | 15:53 |
| nsaje | fabiog_: http://doodle.com/create | 15:53 |
| eglynn | #action fabiog_ create a http://doodle.com/ poll to find the best meeting time | 15:53 |
| eglynn | move on? | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | #topic scaling for firehoses | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | cdent: floor is yours sir! | 15:53 |
| cdent | this message: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041645.html | 15:54 |
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| cdent | raised the question of how many notifications can ceilometer _really_ handle | 15:54 |
| eglynn | tl;dr: how to make the swift middleware scale? | 15:54 |
| cdent | I think it is more general than that. | 15:54 |
| ildikov | I think so too | 15:54 |
| jd__ | infinite because it's cloud scale | 15:54 |
| jd__ | NEXT TOPIC PLEASE | 15:55 |
| ildikov | ... at least the question in that mail | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | jd__: the approach of rolling up samples in the middleware have any legs, d'ya think? | 15:55 |
| cdent | The general question is: Is ceilometer going to be able to cope with modern services that are ossum. | 15:55 |
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| cdent | I have no faith that it does. | 15:55 |
| eglynn | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ossum | 15:55 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, current researches shows that ~400 notifications per second on mongodb on small installation | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | cdent ^^ | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | up too 800 in case of tuning of backend, etc. | 15:56 |
| eglynn | cdent: that's a broad statement, you applying that to all of ceilo or the swift middleware> | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | but I guess not more now | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | queue will be the bottleneck now | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | s/>/?/ | 15:57 |
| jd__ | since all components are scalable, I don't really see the bottleneck yet? | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, we had no opportunity to test on all HA/scalable services - no so much resources | 15:58 |
| cdent | Okay, so the sense I get is that this guy is just throwing noise around and we can mostly ignore him in the short term. | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | cdent :D | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:58 |
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| eglynn | cdent: IIUC the concern is one notification per request hitting swift-proxy | 15:59 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:59 |
| jd__ | I think the question is OK and the answer it "we design everything to scale if there's a bottleneck show us" | 15:59 |
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| * cdent regrets raising the point in this context | 15:59 | |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, no scalable central agent for now ;) | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | although it's not from this part | 16:00 |
| eglynn | cdent: why? | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | I mean not this consuming part | 16:00 |
| eglynn | cdent: time too limited, or? | 16:00 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: right and we're working on it | 16:00 |
| cdent | IRC a very poor format for measured discussion. | 16:00 |
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| cdent | I'll take it back to the mailing list. | 16:01 |
| jd__ | you mean, to troll? | 16:01 |
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| jd__ | :-) | 16:01 |
| eglynn | cdent: we're running out of time today ... can we punt ironic/IMPI to the next meeting? | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, active/passive solution won't add the scalability, only HA I guess | 16:01 |
| cdent | Yes. | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | oh, yeah | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | out of time | 16:01 |
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| cdent | amazebals | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | sorry folks, gonna have to cut it off now | 16:01 |
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| jd__ | DinaBelova: that's what we're working on | 16:02 |
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| eglynn | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 16:02:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-31-15.01.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-31-15.01.txt | 16:02 |
| jd__ | have fun guys happy hacking | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-31-15.01.log.html | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| dkranz | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| dkranz | Any one here? | 17:02 |
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| jlanoux | o/ | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: hi | 17:02 |
| andreaf_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| yfried | dkranz: hi | 17:02 |
| dkranz | ok, a small crowd today as expected | 17:02 |
| dkranz | What is the first agenda item that some one wants to discuss? | 17:03 |
| andreaf_ | specs review | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | #topic specs review | 17:03 |
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| asselin | hi | 17:03 |
| dkranz | andreaf_: all yours | 17:03 |
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| andreaf_ | dkranz: I don't have much on my side - just test-accounts, mtreinish was going to work on that - but he's not here today :) | 17:04 |
| dkranz | andreaf_: I think he may be on vacation for a week or two | 17:04 |
| dkranz | andreaf_: Is there anything to review at the moment? | 17:05 |
| andreaf_ | dkranz: yes - so we'll just continue working on the changes | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | andreaf_: ok, great | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | Any one have anything else to bring up? | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: about specs? | 17:06 |
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| dkranz | mlavalle: or anything else | 17:06 |
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| coolsvap | dkranz, about cinder v2 tests | 17:07 |
| dkranz | coolsvap: yes? | 17:07 |
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| coolsvap | we have a patch for cinder v1 specs which I am waiting to be merged so that I can submit the v2 patch | 17:07 |
| coolsvap | i did not see any action on it as I added comment that patch needs rebase | 17:07 |
| dkranz | coolsvap: link? | 17:07 |
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| coolsvap | dkranz, just a min | 17:08 |
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| coolsvap | dkranz, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90306/13 | 17:09 |
| ekhugen | I have a question on the add-service-tags bp. I was wondering if it would make sense to change the 'ceilometer' tag in tempest/tests.py to telemetry. It would save us from having to tag all the api/telemetry tests as ceilometer. | 17:09 |
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| andreaf_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90306/13 | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | coolsvap: I guess you have to ping swapnil kulkarni | 17:10 |
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| coolsvap | dkranz, I am swapnil kulkarni | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | coolsvap: :) | 17:11 |
| coolsvap | it has been submitted by abhijeet jain | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | coolsvap: then you need to ping him | 17:11 |
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| coolsvap | dkranz, i will do | 17:12 |
| yfried | dkranz: should I ask my question? | 17:12 |
| coolsvap | dkranz, we have couple of other patches for neutron which need more eyes on it | 17:12 |
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| k4n0 | hi all, sorry i am late | 17:13 |
| k4n0 | coolsvap, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106326/ | 17:13 |
| dkranz | ekhugen: I think that makes sense. It should be the same "kind" of name for the service as is used for the others | 17:13 |
| coolsvap | Tempest Neutron Subnet tests review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106326/ | 17:13 |
| dkranz | yfried: go ahead | 17:13 |
| ekhugen | dkranz, I don't think that tag has ever been used anywhere (I didn't see it on a search), so I think it's just a one line change | 17:14 |
| dkranz | ekhugen: even better | 17:14 |
| coolsvap | Tempest Neutron provider network ext tests review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103498, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104526, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105234 | 17:14 |
| yfried | dkranz: waiting for coolsvap to finish | 17:14 |
| ekhugen | thanks dkranz | 17:14 |
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| coolsvap | I would request people to get a few mins to have a look at the above patches | 17:14 |
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| andreaf_ | dkranz, all: perhaps we should go back to the agenda? | 17:15 |
| yfried | coolsvap: please tag and ping me on any neutron related patches. I'd love to review them. | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | andreaf_: good idea. thought there were only three people :) | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | Anything more on specs review? | 17:15 |
| coolsvap | thanks yfried | 17:15 |
| dkranz | Blueprints? | 17:16 |
| andreaf_ | #topic blueprints | 17:16 |
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| andreaf_ | I have a couple of updates | 17:16 |
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| dkranz | andreaf_: ok | 17:16 |
| yfried | dkranz: let me know when I can add my question. I added it to the agenda | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | yfried: we will cover that in the neutron item | 17:17 |
| yfried | dkranz: oh. sorry | 17:17 |
| andreaf_ | re test-accounts, we have good progress there, three changes all pending reply to comments from the authors | 17:17 |
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| dkranz | andreaf_: great | 17:18 |
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| andreaf_ | so once mtreinish is back we should be able to get the first implementation done | 17:18 |
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| andreaf_ | re scenario test migration, we also have a good progress a lot of people is contributing | 17:18 |
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| andreaf_ | I'm chasing an odd problem which started appearing related to aggreagates / az, which I suspect may be related to a fix in the aggregate test done during migration | 17:19 |
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| andreaf_ | I'm trying to reproduce the issue locally, until that is solved all changes that a based on that (all of them) may fail tests | 17:20 |
| andreaf_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107428/6 | 17:20 |
| andreaf_ | this is the aggregate test | 17:20 |
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| andreaf_ | I suspect it could be an actual nova bug behind this issue | 17:21 |
| yfried | andreaf_: is there some decision to block scenario patches until this bp is done? | 17:21 |
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| andreaf_ | yfried: what we agreed last week is that new scenario tests started before the mid-cycle are ok, new ones shall use tempest client | 17:22 |
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| andreaf_ | yfried: regarding patches to existing tests... well I guess if they are ready to go they should go throguh and the migration patch shall rebase | 17:23 |
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| andreaf_ | yfried: do yiou have any specific one in mind? | 17:23 |
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| yfried | andreaf_: a few, but I think it's better to hold on them until bp is done, or at least until these scenarios migrate | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | shall we move on? | 17:25 |
| andreaf_ | yfried: sure if they are not critical they can wait | 17:25 |
| andreaf_ | dkranz: yep that's all I have | 17:26 |
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| dkranz | #topic grenade | 17:26 |
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| dkranz | Anything on this? | 17:26 |
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| dkranz | #topic neutron testing | 17:26 |
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| mlavalle | dkranz: as far as Neutron from me, just to report that I've developing api and scenario tests for LBaaS v2 and for group based policy, which are new subprojects with Neutron. Working closely with those two teams. That's all I have | 17:27 |
| yfried | mlavalle: let me know if I can help | 17:27 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: ok, yfried wanted to ask something about neutron/nova-network | 17:27 |
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| mlavalle | yfried: you bet…. I'll take you up | 17:28 |
| yfried | mlavalle: btw, wasn't there a ban on 2 LBaaS patches because of long execution time? | 17:28 |
| yfried | dkranz: ^ | 17:28 |
| mlavalle | yfried: I think that's lbaas 1 | 17:28 |
| yfried | mlavalle: what's the difference | 17:28 |
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| mlavalle | yfried: theretely new as under developemnt | 17:29 |
| yfried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59729/ | 17:29 |
| yfried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62662/ | 17:29 |
| yfried | mlavalle: ok | 17:29 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: Since we are now planning to migrate most functional tests to projects, certainly slow ones should be in that category I would think. | 17:29 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: ok | 17:30 |
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| yfried | dkranz: Neutron - Novanetwork | 17:30 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: Anyway, we can get opinions from sdague and mtreinish but we should not just leave it hanging with that comment | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | yfried: go ahead | 17:31 |
| yfried | mlavalle: dkranz: on LBaaS - I was told this is pending comments from the neutron dev team workin on lbaas | 17:31 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: I underdtand and will follow up | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: thanks | 17:32 |
| yfried | dkranz: about Neutron - Novanetwork - I wanted to bounce an idea off you guys: | 17:32 |
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| yfried | could prioritize neutorn over nova network, so no new patches are allowed to novanetwork. either at all, or pending a parallel patch for neutron? | 17:33 |
| yfried | s/could/could we/ | 17:33 |
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| andreaf_ | yfried: are you talking about tempest patches? | 17:34 |
| yfried | andreaf_: yeah - both api and scenarios | 17:34 |
| yfried | is this something we could/should do? | 17:35 |
| andreaf_ | yfried: what's the rationale behind this? | 17:35 |
| yfried | andreaf_: forcing neutron tests. | 17:36 |
| yfried | andreaf_: if you have a test for novanetwork, you should make sure it's covered by neutron as well | 17:36 |
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| andreaf_ | yfried: I think the neutron folks are doing a great job in getting neutron testing sorted out :) | 17:37 |
| dkranz | yfried: do you have an example? | 17:37 |
| dkranz | yfried: of a test that was added and should have also had a new neutron test? | 17:38 |
| dkranz | yfried: or are you concerned about a theoretical problem? | 17:38 |
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| yfried | dkranz: I had a specific patch that triggered this in my head. can't find it right now, though | 17:38 |
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| dkranz | yfried: I think it is the intent of the neutron team to have good coverage. It would help if you could point to the example. | 17:39 |
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| dkranz | yfried: But does not have to be right now | 17:39 |
| yfried | dkranz: in theory - is this a good practice - forcing someone to add neutron tests if they want novanetwork? | 17:40 |
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| mlavalle | dkranz: I have to run to another meeting….. see you in the irc channel | 17:41 |
| yfried | dkranz: I can think of reasons for both ways, and I was curious what the more expirenced members here think | 17:41 |
| andreaf_ | yfried: its something that makes sense to propose at review time but I would not make a policy | 17:41 |
| dkranz | andreaf_: I agree | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | Aren' | 17:41 |
| yfried | andreaf_: dkranz: tnx for the thoughts. I yield :) | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | yfried: If it becomes a problem we can deal with it | 17:42 |
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| dkranz | yfried: BUt I think most tests involving neutron are around neutron-only features or in tests that don't care what network is being used | 17:42 |
| yfried | dkranz: I'll try to do a survey for the meeting in 2 weeks and let you know if there are any major gaps | 17:42 |
| dkranz | yfried: And the rest should have been covered by the neutron parity work | 17:42 |
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| dkranz | yfried: yes, examples would really help | 17:43 |
| dkranz | #topic Bugs | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | Any importnat bugs to discuss? | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:44 |
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| dkranz | Any reviews (other than mentioned earlier) that should get immediate attention? | 17:45 |
| dkranz | Ok, that's the agenda. Any one have anything else to discuss? | 17:45 |
| andreaf_ | I think in general it would be good to keep an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-client-scenarios,n,z | 17:45 |
| andreaf_ | for reviews | 17:46 |
| dkranz | andreaf_: yes | 17:46 |
| dkranz | Remember there is no meeting next week. | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | ok, last call... | 17:46 |
| dkranz | Thanks every one. See you in two weeks. | 17:47 |
| k4n0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Cedric+Brandily%22+status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:47 |
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| dkranz | yfried: Those look like good ones to review | 17:48 |
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| dkranz | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 31 17:49:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-31-17.01.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-31-17.01.txt | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-31-17.01.log.html | 17:49 |
| yfried | dkranz: tnx. will check it out | 17:49 |
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