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| HenryG | Who is around for the Neutron DB meeting? akamyshnikova jlibosva salv-orlando markmcclain? | 13:00 |
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| akamyshnikova | hi! | 13:00 |
| jlibosva | hi | 13:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 13:00:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB#Agenda | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | Basically just want to go over how things are going | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #topic Unit Tests | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Unit Tests (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:01 | |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: what dependencies need to get approved here? | 13:02 |
| akamyshnikova | We need this requirements https://review.openstack.org/109238 | 13:03 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG, akamyshnikova it should be approved soon | 13:03 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: salv-orlando: thanks | 13:03 |
| akamyshnikova | then three changes: https://review.openstack.org/81334, https://review.openstack.org/109253, https://review.openstack.org/108731 | 13:03 |
| akamyshnikova | also there is problem with functional tests and mysql_python requirements | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: do you habe a bug and/or a patch for that? | 13:05 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: I have not followed up with Maru on that yet. I will try again this week. | 13:06 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, I just talked with SergeyLukjanov and marun. marun said that he will investigate this error. But I didn't heard anything since that time :( | 13:06 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: that is good. If there is a bug that can be filed for this I would advice to do that and target juno-3 so that the core team and the PTL will be aware that there’s this thing to look at | 13:07 |
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| * salv-orlando I can barely remember my name these days... | 13:08 | |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, ok, I will file a bug about that | 13:08 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Maru is probably lumping it under https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1336172 | 13:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336172 in neutron "Neutron functional job is broken" [Critical,In progress] | 13:08 |
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| akamyshnikova | hm.. error log seems to be different from that I got | 13:10 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: cool… perhaps file the bug anyway and then we’ll look at it with marun and see what to do with it | 13:10 |
| salv-orlando | worst case we’ll mark it as invlalid… | 13:10 |
| * salv-orlando adds dislexia to his problems. | 13:11 | |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, ok | 13:11 |
| HenryG | #action akamyshnikova to file bug for functional tests with mysql_python requirements | 13:11 |
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| HenryG | OK, looks like unit tests work is progressing. Let's move to the next topic. | 13:12 |
| HenryG | #topic Cleanup | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cleanup (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:12 | |
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| HenryG | Lots of separate things going on to clean things up after healing. | 13:13 |
| HenryG | Anything in particular that anyone wants to discuss? | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | I think we’re moving pretty well | 13:15 |
| jlibosva | How are we gonna test consolidation of DB models? | 13:15 |
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| jlibosva | 3rd party CI is enough? | 13:15 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: How big is the change? Will people be shocked when they see it? | 13:15 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: what do you mean aby testing consolation? have you got already a patch for that? | 13:15 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: I plan to do a lot of "small" patches. People will be definitely shocked :) | 13:16 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: I'm working on that. I have local changes, haven't pushed it to review yet | 13:16 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: no problem I don’t need to see code now. I just want to understand what you’re trying to do. | 13:16 |
| jlibosva | some plugins contain modules with models only, so it's more like movement of file and updating path where models are used | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | this way I will make sure nobody is shocked | 13:17 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: I'm talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1346658 | 13:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346658 in neutron "All DB model classes should be consolidated into one directory" [Undecided,New] | 13:17 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: I think the existing testing should be OK. If we can move the models and nothing breaks, we should be OK. | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: right. Yes this is something we need to do for alembic autogenerate | 13:17 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: discussion on this can be moved to the bug report or offline I guess | 13:18 |
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| jlibosva | ok | 13:18 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 13:18 |
| HenryG | #topic Grenade | 13:19 |
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| salv-orlando | salv-orlando and akamyshnikova are doing other cleanup activity as stated in the blueprint reorganize-migrations. But if that’s not relevant for this meeting we’ll skip on that | 13:19 |
| HenryG | #topic Cleanup | 13:19 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: This is the time when everyone is together, so please feel free to discuss or ask questions now if needed. | 13:20 |
| salv-orlando | there are two things for wider discussion | 13:20 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova has a patch that will allow us to have an additional healing step, which will be needed for enabling us to remove conditional logic from havana to icehouse migrations | 13:21 |
| salv-orlando | the code is good but I think we can make it better by reducing the size of the module for icehouse models leveraging the frozen models we already have (or viceversa) | 13:21 |
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| salv-orlando | on the other hand I have a patc for removing conditional migrations from icehouse to healing | 13:22 |
| salv-orlando | which can stay as it is or leverage akamyshnikova work. Your opinion is welcome. | 13:22 |
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| salv-orlando | Further, one thing that came out of all this work is that we need to document that we won’t support offline migrations for juno. But I think we all already agree on that | 13:23 |
| salv-orlando | And last thing | 13:23 |
| salv-orlando | I am about to push a rather large change with a havana_initial migration. I will remove all folsom and grizzly migrations. Does anybody has an opinion on this? | 13:23 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: No opinion from me, other than I would like to see it made available. | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | I wonder how are you gonna do that? similar to folsom_initial? | 13:26 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: This will be for new deployments? Folks will get havana_initial and then migrate to icehouse and then juno? | 13:27 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG, jlibosva: it will be just a new starting point in the migration history. | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | we have no point in keeping history for unsupported releases. I think also nova has a similar concept. | 13:28 |
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| salv-orlando | so havana_initial will replace all migrations up to havana_release including folsom_initial | 13:29 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: Great! I remember this from your spec. | 13:29 |
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| salv-orlando | and while I was doing this patch I realized that I’m also doing the poor man’s version of model consolidation | 13:29 |
| salv-orlando | which is importing all modules with models in the alembic env | 13:29 |
| salv-orlando | but that can be adjusted according to which patch betweend this and jlibosva’s land first | 13:30 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: you still can do that by importing head | 13:30 |
| jlibosva | neutron.db.migration.models.head | 13:30 |
| salv-orlando | there’s no need to enforce a precise order I guess | 13:30 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: right. I realized that once I manually imported all models and put the donkey hat on my head | 13:30 |
| jlibosva | :) | 13:30 |
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| HenryG | Sounds good. Anything else on the cleanup topic? | 13:32 |
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| salv-orlando | nope from me | 13:33 |
| HenryG | #topic Grenade | 13:33 |
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| HenryG | I didn't have Grenade in the agenda but I wanted to give the opportunity for any status. | 13:33 |
| HenryG | I see https://review.openstack.org/106000 has merged | 13:35 |
| HenryG | And grenade seems to be passing generally in the gate! | 13:36 |
| HenryG | Time to set it back to voting? | 13:36 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: I think it is ok to switch it back to voting. markmcclain also wanted to do a patch around the same kind of work jlibosva did but I don’t think it’s a requirement to make it voting | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: did you already had a patch to make grenade job voting? | 13:38 |
| HenryG | Who has the power to flip the switch? | 13:38 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: you need to submit a patch to openstack-infra/config | 13:39 |
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| salv-orlando | if nobody has done that yet I’ll do that. I’ve done it befor.e | 13:39 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: OK, thanks. Seems jlibosva may have stepped out, but I don't see any patches from him for this. | 13:40 |
| jlibosva | sorry, I'm back | 13:41 |
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| jlibosva | I haven't sent patch to enable voting for grenade this time | 13:41 |
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| jlibosva | I still see an issue with grenade time to time that it randomly doesn't start one of neutron service/agents after upgrade. I have no idea what the culprit could be | 13:42 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: indeed I was pointing out I see a 26% failure rate | 13:43 |
| jlibosva | I'd rather enable voting once we nail this down. It doesn't happen with nova-network. | 13:43 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: sounds a sensible thing to do. | 13:43 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: Is there a bug filed for that? | 13:43 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: no | 13:43 |
| salv-orlando | btw https://review.openstack.org/109238 is now going trough the gate queue | 13:43 |
| jlibosva | I'll file one | 13:43 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: thanks | 13:44 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Yay! | 13:44 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, great! | 13:44 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:45 |
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| akamyshnikova | I've got one thing for open discussion | 13:45 |
| salv-orlando | go ahead akamyshnikova | 13:45 |
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| akamyshnikova | I was doing reviews on Friday and find out a lot of changes with migrations where downgrade does not work at all. So today I filed a bug about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1349345 | 13:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349345 in neutron "Neutron does not contain checks for running migration upgrade->downgrade->upgrade" [Medium,New] | 13:46 |
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| akamyshnikova | I think this is kind of testing we also need | 13:46 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: I very strongly agree. | 13:47 |
| jlibosva | The question could also be "who needs downgrades?", are there any ops using that? | 13:47 |
| rpodolyaka1 | it's a controversial question :) | 13:48 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | we had a discussion on that at Hong Kong summit | 13:48 |
| rpodolyaka1 | the outcome was: generally, you don't need them and backup would be a better choice | 13:49 |
| rpodolyaka1 | but if you do rolling upgrades | 13:49 |
| rpodolyaka1 | they might be useful | 13:49 |
| rpodolyaka1 | as while you are doing an upgrade, the data changes | 13:49 |
| HenryG | Downgrading is more like a "panic button"? ;) | 13:49 |
| rpodolyaka1 | and if you need a roll back, backup won't be enough | 13:49 |
| rpodolyaka1 | Im not sure this works | 13:50 |
| rpodolyaka1 | but rackspace guys claim they do that :P | 13:50 |
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| jlibosva | ok, if there is a usecase for it, we should support it I guess | 13:50 |
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| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, in fact most part of projects have this kind of testing (nova, ceilometer, etc) so it seems to be reasonable for as to have it | 13:51 |
| salv-orlando_ | I have been disconnected for a bit. My opinion on downgrade is that if they are possible they should be supported properly. | 13:51 |
| salv-orlando_ | It is not up to us to state whether people need them or not. | 13:52 |
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| HenryG | Yes. If we provide downgrade() functions then they should work properly. | 13:52 |
| jlibosva | I agree that testing is needed if we support the feature. So in this case, yeah, I agree :) | 13:52 |
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| HenryG | I saw many of akamyshnikova's comments on the broken downgrades in reviews. IMO people were just being lazy :( | 13:53 |
| HenryG | Unit tests for downgrade would solve that. | 13:54 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yes :) so it better to test this :) I start working on this today. | 13:55 |
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| HenryG | Also it would be nice if the autogeneration did 99% of the work in creating the downgrade(). | 13:55 |
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| HenryG | Anything else? | 13:58 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, no | 13:58 |
| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 13:58 |
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| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| akamyshnikova | thanks! | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 13:59:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-28-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-28-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-28-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 13:59 |
| rpodolyaka1 | bye! | 13:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 16:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| dzimine | hi | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| rakhmerov | 1. dzimine (and optionally xazel): review commits related to integration testing from akuznetsova | 16:02 |
| dzimine | done | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, I think this is done, right? | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov, fully figure out the new engine architecture, data models, protocols between different components and implement reverse (or linear?) workflow and cover it with tests | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | I figured out all the major things. And I keep working on reverse workflow | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | so it's not done yet but close, 1-2 days | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | there's a couple of big patches, you can review them and give your feedback | 16:04 |
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| m4dcoder | hey | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:04 |
| dzimine | rakhmerov, I looked over it on Fri and will look again (had comments there but lost them, need to redo) | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, finish reverse workflow implementation | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 3. akuznetsova, ping folks at #openstack-infra about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107255/ | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, are you here today? | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, actually this patch is merged | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | so it's done | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | 4. akuznetsova, finish with mistralclient tests and work with tests for console client | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I was unable to talk to her today, I'll try to find her tomorrow | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, get update on integration testing | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | 5. rakhmerov, assign a couple of tasks to bhavenst | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks) | 16:07 |
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| dzimine | my plan is to catch up with Renat’s changes, understand and review them. if anything else needs review we’ll do it. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | my status: I keep working on the new engine. I think most of the principal things are clear to me now. Last week I finished the general structure and all the main interfaces and protocols between components. I also spent almost 2 days to change our DB access layer (got rid of dicts) and fixed a huge number of tests. Now I'm working on workbook specification v2 (partial) in order to implement reverse workflow | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
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| dzimine | xazel is unfortunately off Mistral for this week, modular reviews and small changes/fixes. | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, ok | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I asked him to review my commits | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | and he also rebased his commits that are ready to be merged | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | anyone else here with us? | 16:12 |
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| dzimine | I think xazel’s commits are all in, no? | 16:12 |
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| dzimine | waht about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106618/ | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, yes | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | you're right | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | I thought one commit about oslo.db is still hanging but it got merged because of a trivial rebase I think | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok, this is closed | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, Nikolay got back from vacation today and started working | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I don't see him in IRC though for some reason ) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok, not a huge crowd today ) | 16:15 |
| dzimine | There some CLI bugs reported by Angus, it would be good if Nikolay can look at them. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | yes, that's what he started from | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | I believe he already proposed a couple of patchsets | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110001/ | 16:16 |
| dzimine | another thing: gate-mistral-devstack-dsvm began to fail from some point, do we know when? Can we ask aKuznetsova to look at it? | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | #info today we created a separate Launchpad project for python-mistralclient | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | so please report client (and CLI) bugs in there | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, what's your availability this week if we need to talk? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | or you can let me know later when you're comfortable | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | any night; I have time for Mistral this week. | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok, good | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | just LMK a bit ahead of time | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as devstack gate yes, you're right | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, let akuznetsova know that devstack gate keeps failing so that she can find the reason | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | if you guys don't have any other topics/questions we can wrap up | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | let's finish? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I personally know what to do, no questions for now to discuss | 16:22 |
| dzimine | ok, Renat get busy with your big change :) | 16:22 |
| dzimine | finish. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, I feel that it's now going much better, good chances we'll get something worthy soon ) | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | you'll see :) | 16:23 |
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| dzimine | I have couple of questiosn to you, let’s jump into openstack-mistral... | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thank you guys for joining today | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
| m4dcoder | thanks! bye. | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 16:23:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-28-16.00.html | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-28-16.00.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-28-16.00.log.html | 16:24 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 17:00:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
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| sarob | rollcall | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hi everyone | 17:01 |
| MeganR | Hello | 17:01 |
| dbite | helll | 17:01 |
| dbite | *hello | 17:01 |
| sarob | morning and evening | 17:01 |
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| sarob | #topic stable update | 17:01 |
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| dbite | basic-install-guides for Icehouse are ready | 17:01 |
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| dbite | infact were ready last week | 17:02 |
| sarob | sweet | 17:02 |
| dbite | the work for Juno is going on, its not re-using anything yet | 17:02 |
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| dbite | there are multiple issues with xi:include | 17:02 |
| dbite | which we are facing for the first time | 17:02 |
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| dbite | since we are the first project to propose and do this | 17:02 |
| dbite | I'm not sure if we could re-use the install guides | 17:02 |
| dbite | we may have to maintain basic-install-guides | 17:02 |
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| dbite | separately | 17:03 |
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| sarob | dbite: hmm | 17:03 |
| sarob | dbite: so explain for everyone what the xi:include prob is | 17:03 |
| dbite | mostly the manuals team is re-using content without using xi:include | 17:03 |
| dbite | the most common issue I face is | 17:04 |
| dbite | URL's being relative | 17:04 |
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| dbite | they use other way to include docs which puts the ID of the section | 17:04 |
| dbite | rather than the file name | 17:04 |
| dbite | which is the biggest hurdle | 17:04 |
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| sarob | dbite: so if we get manuals team to use fqdn urls xi:include would be stable? | 17:05 |
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| dbite | yes | 17:06 |
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| dbite | but the other issue is the difference in content | 17:06 |
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| dbite | install guides is more generic and caters advanced/experienced operators and sys-admins | 17:06 |
| dbite | with about 3-5 years of experience | 17:07 |
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| dbite | and intermediate to advanced knowledge of linux | 17:07 |
| dbite | we cannot expect that for training | 17:07 |
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| dbite | which makes it difficult to include their content | 17:07 |
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| sarob | dbite: so i have a solution for that | 17:07 |
| dbite | tell me | 17:07 |
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| sarob | dbite: at oscon i met up with a few groups that are doing open source linux sysadmin training | 17:08 |
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| dbite | yes, the ones included in the tweets right? | 17:08 |
| sarob | dbite: they are interested in partnering | 17:08 |
| sarob | dbite: yup | 17:08 |
| sarob | dbite: they all want openstack training | 17:08 |
| dbite | would be great to have them on-board | 17:09 |
| sarob | dbite: we can get some real motivated sysadmins on board | 17:09 |
| dbite | sounds good | 17:09 |
| sarob | dbite: but also practice usage at two diff universities | 17:10 |
| sarob | dbite: OSU and RIT | 17:10 |
| sarob | dbite: they both have running open source sysadmin training over the past year | 17:10 |
| dbite | sorry, not familiar with their short forms | 17:10 |
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| sarob | dbite: Oregon State Univ | 17:11 |
| rockyg | FYI: BayLISA is interested in an OpenStack focused meetup: Senior *nix admin + little to no OpenStack. | 17:11 |
| sarob | dbite: Rochester Inst Tech | 17:11 |
| dbite | ok, I will take a look, but it is really good news | 17:12 |
| sarob | rockyg: meaning what? | 17:12 |
| dbite | we get more feedback and have consistent usage | 17:12 |
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| rockyg | Feedback on that angle of training. What is needed for just OS | 17:12 |
| sarob | dbite: i need to get them to start joining our meetings | 17:12 |
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| rluethi | sarob: can you explain how that is a solution to the problem with training-guides vs. openstack-manuals install guide? | 17:13 |
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| sarob | http://teachingopensource.com | 17:13 |
| dbite | sarob: yes, it would be really good ... also my time zone is changing soon, it would be easier to attend meetings which are later in the day for west coast | 17:13 |
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| dbite | rluethi: we get more eyes and hands to create and maintain our content | 17:13 |
| rockyg | Could help distill down to what is new/different from standard Sysadmin | 17:13 |
| sarob | rockyg: ah, okay. well i have a few options #link http://teachingopensource.com | 17:14 |
| dbite | so we can tolerte less re-use | 17:14 |
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| dbite | *tolerate | 17:14 |
| fthamura | rluethi: those are my questions also, training guide vs openstack installation guide :) | 17:14 |
| fthamura | sarob: here we also create material for univ , school regarding openstack, love can partnering in this segment. | 17:14 |
| rluethi | sarob: so we mostly give up on reuse, correct? | 17:14 |
| sarob | it may be that we have to give up content reuse | 17:15 |
| rluethi | ack | 17:15 |
| sarob | rluethi: i would like to keep it as a goal, but i do not want to hamstring our progress | 17:15 |
| dbite | fthamura: we need to keep simpler more focused content for training | 17:16 |
| rluethi | I think we should aim at staying in sync, maybe it's mostly about adding some explanations. | 17:16 |
| dbite | rluethi: mostly yes, but I will be pushing for re-use | 17:16 |
| dbite | lets see how it goes | 17:16 |
| rluethi | agreed. | 17:16 |
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| sarob | other sysadmin group here #link https://github.com/devopsbootcamp | 17:16 |
| fthamura | dbite: agree, my experience here, we make step-by-step rather 1000 pages book manual, and an exam in every step, which all of you did, we make java education. www.jeni.or.id -> sorry in indonesia lang | 17:16 |
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| dbite | fthamura: sure, I hope chromium translates it for us | 17:17 |
| sarob | fthamura: training experience is critical to understanding how to teach | 17:17 |
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| fthamura | sarob: that why we need ToT, a certification for instructor, and this can become revenue model, take a look blender foundation with their training model, but this can conflict with openstack member that do training, like redhat, mirantis, but accidently ubuntu doesnt interest with this | 17:18 |
| sarob | dbite: so icehouse support, you have the install guide | 17:18 |
| dbite | yes thats the current one upstream | 17:18 |
| dbite | the juno one is in progress but its stubbed out | 17:18 |
| sarob | dbite: how quickly can we make training icehouse | 17:18 |
| sarob | dbite: support | 17:19 |
| dbite | I think its nearly ready | 17:19 |
| dbite | we are working on labs | 17:19 |
| fthamura | sarob: will we make a "video" training guide? | 17:19 |
| rockyg | Short youtube videos with very focused topics would be good. Could have a number that re generic enough to last a number of releases. | 17:19 |
| dbite | I will tell you exact time required for finalizing Icehouse during next meeting | 17:19 |
| sarob | fthamura: i could use a volunteer | 17:19 |
| sarob | dbite: excellent. we have a few different groups that want to help | 17:20 |
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| sarob | dbite: lets break down the work into spec/bp and tasks so we can put them to work | 17:20 |
| dbite | sarob: also we have new contributor | 17:20 |
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| dbite | sayalilunkad: ping | 17:20 |
| sarob | dbite: coolness | 17:21 |
| dbite | she was OPW, and is interested in helping us out | 17:21 |
| sayalilunkad | hello :) | 17:21 |
| annegent_ | hey all, caught up | 17:21 |
| sarob | sayalilunkad: welcome | 17:21 |
| annegent_ | so you really really really really want that basic install guide sounds like? :) | 17:21 |
| annegent_ | yay sayalilunkad! | 17:21 |
| sarob | annegent_: ;) | 17:21 |
| sayalilunkad | thanks sarob, annegent_ :D | 17:22 |
| dbite | annegent_: sorry I did not understand | 17:22 |
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| sarob | dbite: lets discuss on the docs ML how to break down the icehouse stable work | 17:22 |
| sarob | dbite: today if poss | 17:22 |
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| dbite | sarob: today would not be possible its already 11:00 pm here | 17:23 |
| sarob | dbite: this pattern of work will make it easier for new contributors to start working | 17:23 |
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| dbite | but you can start the discussion | 17:23 |
| sarob | dbite: right, i forget sometimes ;( | 17:23 |
| dbite | sarob: no, probs ... I'm caught up with some German Bureaucracy otherwise I would not mind changing time zones ;) | 17:24 |
| annegent_ | dbite: sarob: I'd love to include your latest accomplishments in the "What's Up Doc?" | 17:24 |
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| annegent_ | sounds like we have a basic install guide, is there a link? | 17:24 |
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| dbite | annegent_: yes, wait a second | 17:25 |
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| annegent_ | sure (and I don't want to interrupt the agenda, sorry sarob_ | 17:25 |
| dbite | code : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-guides/tree/doc/training-guides/basic-install-guide | 17:25 |
| sarob | annegent_: np | 17:25 |
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| dbite | annegent_: it needs some polishing as of how it is presented | 17:26 |
| dbite | http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/operator-controller-node-lab.html#operator-basic-install-guide-controller-lab | 17:26 |
| dbite | http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/operator-network-node-lab.html#operator-basic-install-guide-network-lab | 17:26 |
| dbite | http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/operator-compute-node-lab.html | 17:26 |
| dbite | but the same content can be assembled to provide basic-install-guide | 17:26 |
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| dbite | as well as cater to training books | 17:26 |
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| dbite | sarob: I think I am done with stable updates, we may move on | 17:27 |
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| sarob | #topic infra update | 17:27 |
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| dbite | Roger, want to provide the updates? | 17:27 |
| sarob | rluethi: looks like we have another week or two before the icehouse stable work is laid out | 17:28 |
| rluethi | well, labs scripts are moving forward. | 17:28 |
| rluethi | we are coordinating over etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-developing-topics | 17:28 |
| dbite | sarob: we need some time, but its gaining good momentum | 17:29 |
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| dbite | kudos to rluethi, hes created really awesome environment "OSBASH" | 17:29 |
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| sarob | rluethi: the two RIT and OSU sysadmin teams have been doing very similar build enviroments | 17:30 |
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| rluethi | very similar in what respects? | 17:30 |
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| sarob | rluethi: will prob be helpful to collab | 17:30 |
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| sarob | rluethi: virtualbox scripts | 17:30 |
| sarob | rluethi: vagrant | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | sarob: anything public? | 17:31 |
| sarob | rluethi: building on laptops for quick uptime | 17:31 |
| sarob | rluethi: i believe all of it, but i havent dug in that far yet | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | sarob: can you elaborate on the relation of building on laptops and quick uptime? | 17:32 |
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| sarob | rluethi: they have some limiting public hosted infra as well | 17:32 |
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| sarob | limited | 17:32 |
| dbite | rluethi: may be we arent the only crazy people in the world ;) | 17:32 |
| rluethi | dbite: speak for yourself :) | 17:33 |
| sarob | rluethi: meaning getting a working trainer environment up on a student's laptop fast | 17:33 |
| dbite | rluethi: s/we/I/ :) | 17:33 |
| rluethi | sarob: what OS? | 17:34 |
| annegent_ | rluethi: have you seen Anvil? The python replacement for devstack? http://anvil.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/dev_notes/architecture.html | 17:34 |
| sarob | rluethi: they have been focused on what we have been calling the administrative services like kernel, dns, ntp, etc | 17:34 |
| rluethi | annegent_: nope. thanks for the link. | 17:34 |
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| sarob | annegent_: harlowja from yahoo manages that | 17:35 |
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| annegent_ | rluethi: I can add it to the etherpad if you like | 17:35 |
| harlowja | sarob where u hiding | 17:35 |
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| rluethi | annegent_: sure, go ahead, it's a free for all :) | 17:35 |
| dbite | anvil sounds good, we were planning to get more of python in our scripts | 17:35 |
| sarob | harlowja: off mission by ohlone | 17:36 |
| harlowja | sarob sneaky | 17:36 |
| rluethi | the part that I considered moving over to Python is host-side, though. | 17:36 |
| annegent_ | rluethi: ah okay | 17:36 |
| harlowja | rluethi feel free to bug me; i can go over what the heck anvil is | 17:36 |
| rluethi | devstack is client-side (inside the VMs). | 17:36 |
| sarob | rluethi: almost ready to break down into bp? | 17:37 |
| dbite | harlowja: I'm interested too | 17:37 |
| rluethi | sarob: which part? | 17:37 |
| dbite | also we could provide you some really good feedback | 17:37 |
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| sarob | rluethi: any of the work tbd | 17:37 |
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| rluethi | harlowja: sounds very interesting. we should probably hammer the scripts into working shape first. | 17:37 |
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| rluethi | sarob: we can move some of the decided stuff into blueprints. | 17:38 |
| sarob | rluethi: harlowja and the new sysadmin peoples can review ideas and work alot easier that way | 17:38 |
| sarob | rluethi: coolness | 17:38 |
| dbite | rluethi: I think you can take the lead | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | sarob, dbite: okay, I'll see what I can do. | 17:39 |
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| sarob | rluethi: so respond to my spec/bp ML thread with your stuff | 17:39 |
| dbite | rluethi: thanks :) | 17:39 |
| rluethi | ping me if you need any information, please. | 17:39 |
| dbite | sarob: initially we want the existing shell scripts based labs to work | 17:39 |
| sarob | rluethi: we can think it through for a day and then start the specs | 17:39 |
| sarob | dbite: makes sense | 17:40 |
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| dbite | we will definitely start our work with anvil soon | 17:40 |
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| sarob | dbite: harlowja can always use a few more eyeballs | 17:40 |
| rluethi | sarob: sure. I am working on several issues, so the squeaky wheel often gets the oil :) | 17:40 |
| harlowja | dbite there are intereted folks in #openstack-anvil when u get there | 17:40 |
| dbite | sarob, harlowja: we would love to have them on our labs secion | 17:40 |
| dbite | also I am interested in Anvil | 17:40 |
| sarob | rluethi: oh, im squeaky | 17:40 |
| harlowja | cool | 17:41 |
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| dbite | sure | 17:41 |
| sarob | aint collaboration grand | 17:41 |
| rluethi | sarob: try to squeak as specifically as possible | 17:41 |
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| dbite | haha | 17:42 |
| sarob | rluethi: working on my tonality | 17:42 |
| sarob | #topic testing update | 17:42 |
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| sarob | matjazp: did you sneak in? | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | sarob: isn't he on vacation? | 17:43 |
| sarob | rluethi: my brain is on vacation | 17:43 |
| dbite | sarob: he is on vacation | 17:43 |
| dbite | he will join us next week | 17:43 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:43 |
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| rluethi | sarob: there was an email from matjazp | 17:43 |
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| rluethi | sarob: is stable=docs, and if so, why, and if not, what is it? | 17:44 |
| sarob | rluethi: lost me | 17:44 |
| annegent_ | rluethi: good question. I think of stable as icehouse right now | 17:44 |
| sarob | rluethi: meaning if we support icehouse then training=stable? | 17:45 |
| rluethi | sarob: during meetings, you ask for stable updates. and I wonder what unstable is. | 17:45 |
| rluethi | sarob: what else is there other than stable? | 17:45 |
| dbite | rluethi: thats more of a philosophical question | 17:46 |
| * sarob unstable=sarob? | 17:46 | |
| * dbite unstable | 17:46 | |
| sarob | rluethi: the stuff under development | 17:46 |
| rluethi | sarob: it may confuse newcomers. it sure confused me. | 17:46 |
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| dbite | sarob: rluethi has a point | 17:46 |
| sarob | rluethi: is unstable like the dev and arch training guides | 17:46 |
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| sarob | rluethi: how else should we call the stuff under heavy construction? | 17:47 |
| rluethi | I dunno. How about projects/subjects (docs, scripts, slides) and then qualifiers (stable, trunk) or something? | 17:48 |
| dbite | rleuthi: we will put docs after the name | 17:49 |
| rluethi | What confused me is that "stable" seemed to refer not to a state, but a subject (docs). | 17:49 |
| dbite | so it should be stable docs, unstable docs | 17:49 |
| annegent_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 17:49 |
| annegent_ | docs for horses~ | 17:49 |
| rluethi | dbite: that would make more sense to me, yes. | 17:49 |
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| sarob | hmm, okey dokey | 17:49 |
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| * sarob you are now stable docs | 17:50 | |
| dbite | rluethi: so next time you see stable, just add docs by default after it :) | 17:50 |
| * dbite I concur! | 17:50 | |
| rluethi | i'll write an IRC bot | 17:50 |
| annegent_ | I think "stable" should be reserved for release nomenclature. | 17:50 |
| sarob | roger that guys | 17:50 |
| sarob | and girls | 17:50 |
| annegent_ | We use "draft" for work-in-progress documents that are targeted to juno | 17:50 |
| rockyg | maybe draft? as for horses ;-) | 17:51 |
| sarob | draft sounds better than unstable | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | See the watermark here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/ | 17:51 |
| dbite | rockyg: lol | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | DRAFT - Juno - DRAFT - Juno | 17:51 |
| dbite | annegent_: I was wondering to put that for training | 17:51 |
| dbite | thanks for bringing it up | 17:51 |
| dbite | :) | 17:51 |
| sarob | #info stable team is now called the stable docs team | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | dbite: for install sure | 17:51 |
| dbite | yeah | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | sarob: no there is no such thing | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | sarob: please don't use the term stable that way, it's confusing | 17:52 |
| sarob | annegent_: okay, what do you suggest | 17:52 |
| annegent_ | sarob: draft | 17:52 |
| dbite | #info stable team is not called as stable docs team, we need to rename stable | 17:52 |
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| dbite | sarob: sarob, should we use Docs team as roger suggested? | 17:52 |
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| dbite | and drafts for the unfinished work? | 17:52 |
| sarob | dbite: so stable=training docs | 17:53 |
| dbite | yes | 17:53 |
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| dbite | vote? | 17:53 |
| sarob | dbite: and developement=draft docs | 17:53 |
| dbite | yeah | 17:53 |
| sarob | is there any other ideas or discussion on this? | 17:54 |
| dbite | we will also put up the fancy drafts watermark for them | 17:54 |
| dbite | ohh yeah, I had one more question | 17:54 |
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| sarob | dbite: shoot | 17:54 |
| dbite | should we publish books as different links under the training-guides on the docs.openstack.org website? | 17:54 |
| sarob | dbite: like separate pdfs? | 17:55 |
| dbite | yeah, and seperate links under the training guides section | 17:55 |
| dbite | like the install | 17:55 |
| dbite | and configure sections | 17:55 |
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| sarob | dbite: could do that | 17:55 |
| sarob | dbite: limit trainee confusion? | 17:55 |
| dbite | the content is already modular from the XML point of view | 17:55 |
| dbite | yes | 17:55 |
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| dbite | limit confusion | 17:56 |
| sarob | im good with that | 17:56 |
| dbite | also make it look more shiny, four sections under training | 17:56 |
| annegent_ | dbite: sarob: I'm not a fan of more books popping up | 17:56 |
| annegent_ | dbite: sarob: what's your criteria for starting a new book? with the build maintenance and all? | 17:56 |
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| sarob | annegent_: we already have four books | 17:56 |
| annegent_ | dbite: sarob: seems like it'd be good to get an overall vision for adding more tho | 17:57 |
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| dbite | annegent_: I meant sub-sections | 17:57 |
| sarob | annegent_: we can discuss on docs ML | 17:57 |
| annegent_ | dbite: ah ok | 17:57 |
| dbite | like the install section has four links | 17:57 |
| dbite | annegent_: so it looks like there are more books | 17:57 |
| dbite | and keeps it simple for our end users | 17:57 |
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| sarob | #info discuss how the four training books are visable on docs.openstack.org | 17:58 |
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| annegent_ | dbite: it's always good to revisit the organization | 17:58 |
| sarob | #info discuss on docs ML renaming the training stable team to training docs | 17:58 |
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| sarob | its time to say goodbye for this week | 17:59 |
| dbite | annegent_: yes, I need to learn how to do that properly :) | 17:59 |
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| annegent_ | good deal dbite :) | 17:59 |
| dbite | bye all | 17:59 |
| sarob | thanks all for your contributions! | 17:59 |
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| annegent_ | thanks dbite! | 17:59 |
| MeganR | bye | 17:59 |
| dbite | annegent_: yeah, welcome ... | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 18:00:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-28-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-28-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-28-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 18:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | Hi all, who's here for the third-party meeting? | 18:00 |
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| mkoderer | hi there | 18:00 |
| AndChat|641136 | Hi | 18:01 |
| asselin | hi | 18:01 |
| joa | hi | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hi, welcome | 18:01 |
| daya_k | hi | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, here today? | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, you around? | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | well, lets get started maybe they will show up | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | joa, you are here for a little while? | 18:02 |
| joa | yup, I chose to go home for the meeting so i'll be here all the way | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | ok, well, I have given up saying "this might be a short meeting" | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | joa, great | 18:03 |
| joa | :p | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | welcome everyone! | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda for today's meeting: | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | not a full agenda, but we always have more time for open questins | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | and questions | 18:04 |
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| asselin | ok, i have a question for the end: how to disable jenkins start messages | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, great, bring that up at the end | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:04 |
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| joa | I might cover that in my subject :p | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | joa true! | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | sweston had an action to push a terminology patch, I'll ping him later about that | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | we need to get some of those items discussing | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyVotingTerms | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | just for reference, any comments pre-patch welcomed | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | I dont see any other actions | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | anyone have any third-party announcements? | 18:08 |
| joa | what do you mean by announcements ? | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | anything that you'd like other third-party teams to know | 18:09 |
| joa | oh. Well, my subject will cover a fez things about setting up a CI | 18:09 |
| joa | but I woudldn't put it as an announcements | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | like, it is really early, but, anteaya and I are planning a meetup for mid-cycle in Kilo | 18:09 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | no specifics yet, just early planning stage | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | hey anteaya | 18:10 |
| joa | a wild anteaya appears :) | 18:10 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:10 |
| joa | okay | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | so with no other announcements... | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | joa, we had your easing item here | 18:11 |
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| joa | yup | 18:11 |
| joa | want me to start on it ? | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | joa, would you like to frame that discussion for others not familiar | 18:11 |
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| joa | Yeah;, sure | 18:11 |
| joa | The big picture is that as a newcomer in the openstack community | 18:12 |
| * krtaylor checks the pastebin | 18:12 | |
| joa | I had to setup a 3rd-party CI for my company (Scality), for cinder | 18:12 |
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| joa | Thing is, I'm an administration-hater | 18:12 |
| joa | and newbie at that :) | 18:12 |
| joa | So I kind of encountered a lot of issues while trying to understand and setup the CI | 18:13 |
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| joa | and I thought of giving feedback to help others in my case | 18:13 |
| joa | so I got a few ideas written in the pastebin | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | everyone I have met doing this are more dev than ops | 18:13 |
| joa | I'm a dev :D | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/86125/ | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | me too | 18:13 |
| joa | but we're currently starting to engage in openstack | 18:13 |
| joa | soo I'm kinda alone for the moment | 18:14 |
| joa | and we do not have a lot of resources for this yet | 18:14 |
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| joa | To complete a bit my pastebin | 18:14 |
| mpaolino | Hello third-party folks, I'm going to work at a CI as well (for Snabbswitch) | 18:14 |
| mpaolino | I started with a patch to devstack | 18:15 |
| mpaolino | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108714/ | 18:15 |
| mpaolino | reviews and comments are welcome ;-) | 18:15 |
| joa | When I reached a simple CI setup, I wrote the following etherpad, that I'll try to put into the newly created manual repository (that anteaya pointed me to) | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | hi mpaolino, one minute, there will be open floor at the end of the meeting | 18:15 |
| mpaolino | sure, np! | 18:15 |
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| joa | So, for later reading you might be interested to look at that : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Setting_up_a_3rd-party_CI___Issues_encountered | 18:15 |
| joa | this is part of my 'improving third_party.rst" | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Setting_up_a_3rd-party_CI___Issues_encountered | 18:16 |
| joa | so my idea follows two main lines: | 18:16 |
| joa | 1- Improving manuals/docs/howtos to be clear even for newbies like I am | 18:16 |
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| joa | 2- Improving the available configuration files (I used jaypipe's which were a bit outdated, and despite that it was a great help) | 18:17 |
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| krtaylor | joa, thats great, there are a lot of opportunities to share experiences and best practices here | 18:17 |
| joa | the good thing would be (imho) to make use of the infra/config repository | 18:17 |
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| daya_k | can i propose, pre-built master and slave vm templates, that folks can download and get started? | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | joa, see already help in this area | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, sure! | 18:18 |
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| asselin | joa, I think that's a great idea. I've been working on a fork of jaypipes stuff, but it seems it would be nice if it were in infra/config...special place for all3rd party ci | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | maybe a templates area? | 18:19 |
| daya_k | i went thru a lot of pain getting them to just working, including bad ssh configs, incorrect permissions on the zuul directories, these can all be avoided. | 18:19 |
| joa | asselin: I'm actually thinking of giving enough pointers for people to pick what they need in infra/config | 18:19 |
| joa | like: Okay for this; you need that pipeline. etc. | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | yes, and lots of comments inline | 18:19 |
| joa | then the guy can pick the pipeline definitions he needs and all that stuff | 18:20 |
| joa | then, picking from infra/config would ensure that it's up-to-date | 18:20 |
| asselin | joa, I'd like a simple script to do it all...kindof like devstack...and anyone can get 3rd party ci working. | 18:20 |
| anteaya | we can bring up the location at the infra meeting tomorrow, if someone will represent that at the meeting | 18:20 |
| joa | asselin: yeah why not | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | keep in mind, stackforge might be the selected location, I don't know what others think yet | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | joa asselin lets start with templates, then we can automate, that would be really nice | 18:21 |
| joa | The important part is that it must be an obvious reference | 18:21 |
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| joa | otherwise it defeats its purpose | 18:21 |
| asselin | joa +1 | 18:21 |
| anteaya | anyone willing to take this idea to the infra meeting tomorrow | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, I don't see what we can have some templates in /config although I don't get to decide such matters | 18:22 |
| anteaya | and ask where this work should live? | 18:22 |
| anteaya | right, neither do I | 18:22 |
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| anteaya | but I think we should discuss with infra | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | joa, would you like to do that? | 18:22 |
| anteaya | so we all agree on the home for it | 18:22 |
| joa | krtaylor: let me check the meeting's time | 18:23 |
| joa | mhh a bit late on my side sadly | 18:23 |
| anteaya | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 18:23 |
| asselin | Tuesday 1900 UTC | 18:23 |
| anteaya | 1900 utc tomorrow | 18:23 |
| anteaya | add an agenda item same as you do for third party agenda | 18:23 |
| anteaya | anyone else able to make that meeting and ask the question? | 18:24 |
| anteaya | I will be boarding a plane so it won't be me | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | I can if noone else will be there | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | asselin, you want it? | 18:25 |
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| asselin | I just checked my calendar and have a conflict for the 1st half | 18:25 |
| asselin | I can be there for the 2nd | 18:25 |
| joa | it might be enough, no ? | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | not sure when it would come up | 18:25 |
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| joa | right | 18:25 |
| asselin | yes | 18:26 |
| beecee | krtaylor: I will be having similar experiences to joa from an ops perspective once I get my build hardware installed next week and will be at tomorrow's meeting, but being very new I don't want to be raising it ;) | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | asselin, let's do it this wayI will if you aren't there | 18:26 |
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| asselin | ok, we can request it in the 2nd half. | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | beecee, great, feel free to review the initial doc patch and we'll fix some of the pain | 18:26 |
| anteaya | you can add it to the end of the agenda and tell jeblair your timing | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | #action asselin and krtaylor to attend Infra meeting and propose /config location for template configuration files | 18:27 |
| anteaya | so he knows when he is chairing the meeting | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | great, well done | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, can you add the agenda item? | 18:27 |
| asselin | krtaylor, sure | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | asselin, thanks | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | good, joa anything else you want to say on that subject? | 18:28 |
| joa | Well, mayhbe just summing the ideas, as a summary ? | 18:28 |
| joa | otherwise i'm good :) | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | joa, that will be a good place to start | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | alright then | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | I have to throw in my weekly plug for begging reviews | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:29 |
| anteaya | thank you | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | please go review these and other third-party infra related | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | lets get these moving | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | this one is new and needs some awareness: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109565/ | 18:30 |
| anteaya | it involves the recheck syntax | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | yes, important one | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | actually it might be worth someone adding an item to the infra agenda to clarify exactly what recheck scenaarios need to be supported by third party | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | sdague makes a valid point but brings up a scenario that bobball comments on | 18:31 |
| anteaya | would be good to have an infra discussion about that and get some clarity | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | someone willing to do that at tomorrow's infra meeting? | 18:32 |
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| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to ask sdague for discussion in infra meeting on recheck syntax clarification | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | yes :) | 18:32 |
| joa | Soo the idea is to change the current recheck yntax specific toa third-party ? | 18:32 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: actually just ask infra | 18:32 |
| joa | (or allow third parties to be free about how they command their CIs ?) | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | basically put rechecks in their own namespace | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | sdague usually picks up his produce box at that time, so isn't usually in attendance for that meeting | 18:33 |
| joa | ok | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, good info | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | I'll add to agenda then | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | and discuss | 18:33 |
| anteaya | the motivation is to clear the third party syntax out of what infra needs from recheck | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | if that means more flexibility for third party that is fine, but we have to follow a syntax format | 18:34 |
| anteaya | and discuss a grammar with input from infra and qa | 18:34 |
| beecee | would that mean existing 3rd party systems would need to update what syntax they accept? | 18:34 |
| joa | ok | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to add recheck syntax clarification discussion to infra agenda | 18:34 |
| anteaya | beecee: yes | 18:34 |
| anteaya | beecee: but we need to decide what format that would take first | 18:34 |
| beecee | anteaya: gotcha | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | so participate in teh conversation and don't make any changes yet | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | anything else? | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | not from me | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | lets move on then | 18:35 |
| asselin | (I updated the agenda. Please update/fix https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting) | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | asselin, thanks! | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:36 |
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| krtaylor | anything to communicate here? | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | I haven't heard any third-party related | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | asselin: edited, added the word templates, since templates are the item under discussion | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | ok, so the next had no item | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | which leave more time for open discussion | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:38 |
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| asselin | anyone know how to disable jenkins start messages? | 18:38 |
| joa | yup | 18:38 |
| joa | so the thing is | 18:39 |
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| joa | it's part of the definition of the pipeline in zuul's layout (afair) | 18:39 |
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| joa | if you just comment out the start and finish blocks | 18:39 |
| joa | it's deactivated | 18:39 |
| joa | relatively simple but you have to dig through it to get it | 18:39 |
| anteaya | joa: have you a code sample? | 18:39 |
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| joa | that's why I'd like my first draft of the doc to have it. | 18:40 |
| anteaya | or could you put one on paste.openstack.org | 18:40 |
| asselin | so comment this out: start: | 18:40 |
| asselin | gerrit: | 18:40 |
| asselin | verified: 0 | 18:40 |
| joa | anteaya: sadly, no access to my CI server from home :( | 18:40 |
| anteaya | joa: understood | 18:40 |
| joa | yup | 18:40 |
| joa | asselin: that's it | 18:40 |
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| asselin | joa ok thanks will try that out | 18:40 |
| joa | you're welcome | 18:40 |
| anteaya | nice work | 18:41 |
| luqas | I do have a sample | 18:41 |
| joa | that's party of the configurations bits that I wish to see obviously explained | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | nice | 18:41 |
| luqas | # start: # gerrit: # verified: 0 | 18:41 |
| luqas | ups | 18:41 |
| anteaya | thanks luqas | 18:41 |
| luqas | paste bin better? | 18:41 |
| anteaya | joa: makes sense, and I agree | 18:41 |
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| anteaya | luqas: yes, for anything more than one line | 18:41 |
| anteaya | but it is okay | 18:41 |
| * krtaylor thinks of a FAQ again | 18:41 | |
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| joa | anteaya: I'll try to cover that in my first draft :) might be long to come though | 18:41 |
| anteaya | joa: break it up in pieces | 18:42 |
| anteaya | it will take a while to review all the pieces | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:42 |
| luqas | http://paste.openstack.org/show/88745/ | 18:42 |
| anteaya | make it easy for the reviewers | 18:42 |
| anteaya | thanks luqas | 18:42 |
| anteaya | better format there | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | always better in smaller chunks | 18:42 |
| luqas | these lines in /etc/zuul/layout.yaml | 18:42 |
| * anteaya nods | 18:42 | |
| joa | anteaya: should I make multiple different changes or simply multiple patchsets in one change ? | 18:42 |
| anteaya | make one patchset first | 18:43 |
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| anteaya | and lets see | 18:43 |
| anteaya | just get something up so we can start from there | 18:43 |
| joa | alright | 18:43 |
| anteaya | for code we like 400 lines or less per patch | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | and don't forget to set topic to third-party | 18:43 |
| anteaya | for docs, it is nice to have something around 80 lines at a time | 18:43 |
| anteaya | but that might be my personal preference | 18:44 |
| anteaya | yup, nice to have them all available under the same topic: | 18:44 |
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| joa | krtaylor: oh ok | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, speaking of, are you stuck on any of yours? how can we help? | 18:44 |
| asselin | btw, I looking at http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html & it seems like a good place for 3rd party ci | 18:44 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: I think most are okay, mostly I was waiting for infra-core to return from oscon | 18:45 |
| anteaya | I hope to see mine merged this week sometime | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, understood | 18:45 |
| anteaya | will ping if I need more eyes, and thanks | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | I'll refresh my reviews | 18:45 |
| anteaya | kk | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | mpaolino, anything else you want to say about that patch you posted here earlier? | 18:46 |
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| mpaolino | yes sure, sorry if I interrupted you before ;) | 18:46 |
| mpaolino | basically I started developing a patch for devstack, to enable the possibility to use (automatically) the latest version of qemu and libvirt from tar releases | 18:46 |
| mpaolino | My use case is a CI server that tests Openstack features related to snabbswitch (www.snabb.co), which has qemu 2.1 and libvirt 1.2.6 as dependencies | 18:46 |
| anteaya | mpaolino: have you discussed your patch with anyone in qa? | 18:47 |
| mpaolino | the link is : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108714/ | 18:47 |
| anteaya | like dtroyer or sdague? | 18:47 |
| mpaolino | actually not yet, but I would like to | 18:47 |
| anteaya | yeah, I'd recommend that first | 18:47 |
| anteaya | adding patches with new dependencies usually doesn't go over well | 18:47 |
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| mpaolino | I think this may be of interest also for some other folks here in the third party group, so I would love to have receive comments from you guys, since are experts in CI maybe I believe your comments may be precious | 18:48 |
| anteaya | since we have a pretty strong depencency process we follow | 18:48 |
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| mpaolino | s/have receive/receive | 18:48 |
| asselin | there should be a way to configure devstack & not add any dependencies. | 18:48 |
| anteaya | I'd start off spending some time in #openstack-qa and learning the process of introducing new dependencies | 18:48 |
| anteaya | and the third party space includes women as well | 18:49 |
| anteaya | not just guys | 18:49 |
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| mpaolino | ok I'll try to contact dtroyer or sdague, is there any suggested way to do it? | 18:49 |
| asselin | the script is full of hooks and ways to override variables. if one or two are missing, should be easy to get that accepted. | 18:49 |
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| anteaya | asselin: that approach would probably have a greater chance of being recieved | 18:49 |
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| anteaya | mpaolino: yes, join #openstack-qa | 18:50 |
| anteaya | and lurk for a bit | 18:50 |
| anteaya | then ask about the process to add dependencies | 18:50 |
| mpaolino | :) | 18:50 |
| krtaylor | mpaolino, I'd need to look at it closer, yes -infra and -qa will help alot | 18:50 |
| krtaylor | mpaolino, there is other ways to change the setup of the testing environment after devstack too, but I need more specifics | 18:51 |
| krtaylor | but start with a -qa join | 18:51 |
| mpaolino | ok | 18:52 |
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| krtaylor | nine minutes, anything else on open discussion? | 18:52 |
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| beecee | krtaylor: wait | 18:52 |
| mpaolino | with dependencies you meant a dependency with dev-stack, am I right? | 18:52 |
| anteaya | any dependency | 18:52 |
| mpaolino | I see | 18:52 |
| anteaya | we have a process for dependencies | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | learning the process goes a long way to further your happiness | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:53 |
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| beecee | krtaylor: can the 3rd party pages be updated with links to the formal policy announcements for 3rd party testing? I'm wanting something to show my managers as to why I'm diverting machines to this to keep our driver in the tree | 18:53 |
| anteaya | what do you mean by formal policy announcements? | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, I understand your pain | 18:54 |
| joa | beecee: for which project do you wwant to do this ? | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | beecee, we are in the process of defining the unwritten requirements | 18:54 |
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| joa | for instance, I know that cinder maintains a grid of the third-party drivers, with their "CI" status | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | there are global requirements and project specific requirements for third-party testing | 18:54 |
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| krtaylor | joa, nova does as well | 18:55 |
| beecee | krtaylor: yes there are, but they aren't all in the same place | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | beecee, yes, we talked about a links page to point to them all | 18:55 |
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| beecee | krtaylor: cool, then I just need to put them there. | 18:55 |
| beecee | point | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | but usually one CI system is only interested in one projects requirements, hence the problem | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | beecee, feel free to add to third-party.rst | 18:56 |
| anteaya | what are formal policy announcements? | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | beecee, see the link I posed earlier for other changes to third-party.rst for reference | 18:56 |
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| krtaylor | beecee, policy = requirements for testing drivers? | 18:57 |
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| luqas | regarding the merging policy, is it automatically set for merge after a number of +2 reviews? | 18:57 |
| beecee | krtaylor: yes, but more where the justification for that policy occurred | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | luqas: no, a core needs to set workflow to +1 | 18:57 |
| anteaya | luqas: it is a manual process | 18:58 |
| luqas | ok, thanks anteaya | 18:58 |
| anteaya | beecee: what are you looking for here? | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | beecee, alot of the justification came from weeks and weeks of maillist and irc discussion | 18:58 |
| anteaya | luqas: np, good question | 18:58 |
| beecee | krtaylor: yeah, and I'm coming in late to the party | 18:58 |
| anteaya | beecee: yes, if your managers aren't reading the ml and the channel and meeting logs, it will be tough to condense it so they understand | 18:58 |
| anteaya | beecee: everyone has to start somewhere | 18:59 |
| anteaya | we are out of time | 18:59 |
| beecee | anteaya: that's my current problem, I'm playing catch up ;) | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | beecee: let's continue to try to get you what you need | 18:59 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure what that is yet though | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | beecee, it is a tough problem, lets move to -infra | 18:59 |
| beecee | krtaylor: ok | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, another good meeting! | 19:00 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 19:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-28-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-28-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-28-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| mestery | Hi! | 20:59 |
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| beagles | hi! | 20:59 |
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| enikanorov__ | hi | 21:00 |
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| Swami | hi everyone | 21:00 |
| banix | hi | 21:00 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 21:00 |
| markmcclain1 | hi | 21:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | yello | 21:00 |
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| nati_ueno | Hi | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:00 |
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| sgordon | o/ | 21:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 21:00 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin SumitNaiksatam emagana arosen amotoki: ping | 21:01 |
| emagana | pong! | 21:01 |
| pcm_ | hi | 21:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 21:02:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| aleksandr_null | Hi | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Juno-2 has been released! | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-2/+download/neutron-2014.2.b2.tar.gz | 21:02 |
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| mestery | For those who want to play with it, please have a look! | 21:03 |
| mestery | We closed 11 BPs during Juno-2 | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-2 | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | so is that only like 150 left for Juno-3 then? | 21:03 |
| mestery | So of course, this must mean that ... Juno-3 and the end of Juno is on the way! | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:03 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Give or take a few. ;) | 21:03 |
| mestery | My advice to anyone with a Juno-3 BP: Please propose yoru code soon. | 21:04 |
| mestery | The sooner you get it out htere, the sooner people can review it and we can iterate. | 21:04 |
| mestery | I expect a massive crush at FPF, so sooner is better. | 21:04 |
| mestery | Any questions on Juno-3 timelines? | 21:04 |
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| mestery | OK then, moving along in the agenda for today. | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| mestery | enikanorov__: Hi! | 21:05 |
| enikanorov__ | hi | 21:05 |
| aaronorosen1 | hi | 21:05 |
| gus | hi | 21:05 |
| aleksandr_null | hi | 21:05 |
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| enikanorov__ | nothing major to update with. I'm monitoring gate failures | 21:05 |
| enikanorov__ | the amount of lock wait timeouts has decreased from 10-20 to ~1-2 per day | 21:06 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Are those the three listed in the agenda at the moment? | 21:06 |
| gus | .. and switching to mysqlconnecter is still blocked on oracle fwiw. | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov__ | mestery: not really. i'm starting to decrease importance of corresponding bugs | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov__ | because it's really ahrd to say which one was fixed as they don't show up in days | 21:07 |
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| * mestery magically reappaers. | 21:07 | |
| * aleksandr_null =) | 21:07 | |
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| mestery | OK, anything else in the bugs arena enikanorov__? | 21:08 |
| enikanorov__ | so, no critical bugs appeared during last 2 weeks | 21:08 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Ack | 21:08 |
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| enikanorov__ | mestery: what about bug swuash day? | 21:08 |
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| enikanorov__ | *squash | 21:08 |
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| mestery | enikanorov__: I was going to annoucne that during Open Discussion, but can do it now. | 21:08 |
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| mestery | So, I'm going to send an email and propose a Neutron Bug Squashing day | 21:08 |
| mestery | Will likely be next week. | 21:08 |
| mestery | Stay tuned for the details as I work with enikanorov__ on those :) | 21:08 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, great! | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | I am a bit concerned about the number of new/untriaged bugs? | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: are you? | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/ | 21:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Ack on that, I think perhaps a bug day can help there too. | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | yeah 1/6 haven't been looked at might be good to make that part of the focus on the day | 21:09 |
| anteaya | enikanorov__: if it helps: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=9558 | 21:10 |
| mestery | anteaya: thanks | 21:10 |
| anteaya | np | 21:10 |
| enikanorov__ | markmcclain: i'm generally try to keep them under 100, some of those I really don't know what to do with | 21:10 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to setup Neutron Bug Squash Day and send email to mailing list with details | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov__: maybe on that day we can have a group of folks help you finalize the disposition on that class of bugs | 21:11 |
| enikanorov__ | yeah, i hope so | 21:12 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on in the agenda, I'll start a ML thread for the bug squash day | 21:12 |
| mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:12 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | so at Nova mid-cycle this week to discuss how to get the migration unstuck | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | otherwise not much other movement to report this week | 21:15 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: I look forward to yourself and marun making progress on the migration work, thanks for that! | 21:15 |
| mestery | Also thanks to obondarev for his work here too. Team is #ftw! | 21:15 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:16 |
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| mestery | emagana: hi there! | 21:16 |
| emagana | hi | 21:16 |
| emagana | I want to talk about the Juno deliverables for documentation | 21:16 |
| emagana | This release involves a lot of changes and we need to take care of document them properly | 21:16 |
| emagana | specially the Migration and DVR staff | 21:17 |
| mestery | ++ | 21:17 |
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| emagana | We also need to review all current guides and make sure they will have the proper documentation.. So, I have this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 21:17 |
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| emagana | We need VOLUNTEERS to cover some of the guides, basically we need readers and bug reporters | 21:18 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-docs-juno | 21:18 |
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| emagana | The idea is to have one owner per guide who will report any missing part for the networking changes in Juno.. | 21:18 |
| mestery | Similar to bug day, I wonder if a "docs" dya makes some sense. | 21:18 |
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| sgordon | mestery, possibly | 21:19 |
| regXboi | mestery: probably a docs "week" would be more like it | 21:19 |
| sgordon | mestery, the key for docs is the docimpact bug typically isnt enough information for a writer to pick up | 21:19 |
| emagana | mestery: We want to start reporting the potential issues/bugs. Once we are aware of what is needed to be changed, we can organize a docs day | 21:19 |
| mestery | sgordon: Ack on that one. | 21:19 |
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| sgordon | mestery, for it to be attractive for someone to pick up from the queue someone who knows neutron needs to flesh it out | 21:19 |
| phil_h | We are working on a TOC for a Neutron Manual also | 21:20 |
| mestery | #action mestery to work with emagana on a docs day for Neutron in Juno | 21:20 |
| emagana | sgordon: that's correct. This is why we are proposing owners to verify the needed changes | 21:20 |
| mestery | sgordon: Ack on that | 21:20 |
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| emagana | Neutron Folks! Propose your self to review some of the guides (it is a good learning experience) | 21:20 |
| emagana | You can email me emagana at gamail.com or just go ahead to the etherpad | 21:21 |
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| phil_h | Networking guide TOC: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 21:21 |
| emagana | sorry, domain is gmail (I did not create my own domain) | 21:21 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC Networking Guide TOC | 21:21 |
| emagana | Thanks phil_h | 21:21 |
| mestery | yes, thanks phil_h! | 21:22 |
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| mestery | Anything else emagana? | 21:22 |
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| emagana | By now we have an idea of what will be in Juno regarding to networking, so please read and open BP/bugs | 21:22 |
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| emagana | mestery: No nothing else, at least we do not have any volunteers.... I will ask you to nominate candidates :-) | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | phil_h: that guide, at first glance, looks great! | 21:23 |
| phil_h | thanks | 21:23 |
| mestery | emagana: Lets work offline on that. :) | 21:23 |
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| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:23 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: hi there! | 21:23 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 21:23 |
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| mlavalle | over the past few days I've been doing tempest testing of the new LBaaS | 21:24 |
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| mlavalle | Last night I sent initial rersults to the ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041320.html | 21:24 |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041320.html | 21:25 |
| mestery | mlavalle: I saw that, very nice and thanks for doing that! | 21:25 |
| dougwig | +1 | 21:25 |
| mlavalle | mlavalle: I spoke to Jorge Miramontes this morning and he finds it very useful | 21:25 |
| mlavalle | Also a few days ago I worked with SumitNaiksatam on developing an api test for policy group | 21:26 |
| mlavalle | I verified it in devstack. it works fine | 21:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mlavalle: thanks much! | 21:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mlavalle: it was a great effort over a weekend, and like you said we were able to validate | 21:26 |
| sgordon | actually i had one more thing for the previous topic.... | 21:26 |
| sgordon | release notes are open for editing: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno | 21:26 |
| mestery | thanks sgordon | 21:26 |
| armax | mlavalle: I think I may have found a flawn in the way tempest tests are designed | 21:27 |
| armax | and the way they are run | 21:27 |
| armax | by default all api extensions are exercised | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | I think these 2 cases illustrate how developing tempest tests cases can help in the early development of a new project | 21:27 |
| armax | however currently we only keep one tempest codebase to support both master and stable releases | 21:27 |
| armax | if we add new extensions, gbp and dvr, we won’t be able to address icehouse correctly | 21:27 |
| armax | as in tests would break | 21:28 |
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| armax | in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98235/ | 21:28 |
| marun | armax: that's where capability flags come in | 21:28 |
| armax | I dynamically discover the api supported to bypass the problem | 21:28 |
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| armax | marun: right, but it looks like that does not change across realeses | 21:28 |
| marun | armax: tempest configuration that determine what tests should be run | 21:29 |
| marun | armax: and since api's should not change, it should be possible to have boolean flags and different configurations across releases | 21:29 |
| armax | marun: besides keeping different localrc templaces might be a pain | 21:29 |
| marun | armax: that's pain that can't be avoided | 21:29 |
| marun | armax: there is always going to be the potential of different config across releases | 21:29 |
| armax | marun: at the moment the api_extensions flag for icehouse is ‘all' | 21:29 |
| armax | marun: just as the one for juno | 21:29 |
| armax | anyhow, food for thought | 21:30 |
| marun | armax: That will need to be fixed. I'm just pointing out that it should be a configuration fix. | 21:30 |
| armax | marun: agreed, that said it might not be the desirable one | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | armax: thanks for the feedback…. let's follow up off line…. good suggestions | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I will continue debugging the new LBaaS and as for policy group, Summit and I have talked about developing a scenario test | 21:32 |
| armax | mlavalle: sure thing, feel free to poke me offline | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have this week | 21:32 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: thanks! | 21:32 |
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| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:32 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: hi there! | 21:32 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mlavalle: yes for GBP, plan to get back to you for the scenario test | 21:32 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve updated status on the page for most projects. Some moved out to Kilo. | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re still iterating on DVR. There are two more patches to merge to enable it. | 21:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’re waiting to hear from amotoki on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102398/ | 21:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Otherwise, I believe it is ready for merge. | 21:34 |
| carl_baldwin | The last one is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89694/ | 21:34 |
| armax | amotoki’s feedback didn’t sound like a no-no | 21:34 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: So we're really close with DVR, that's good news! | 21:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: We will move in to hardening and cleaning up a few backlog items during juno-3. | 21:35 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: ack | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I am working through a couple of issues on the last patch but it should be close as well. | 21:36 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: I’ll do another review of the first of those tonight or tomorrow. | 21:36 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: I hit the first DVR bug during my testing | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Merging these will allow us to enable an experimental job to run tempest with DVR and root out issues. | 21:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: is it reported? | 21:37 |
| Sukhdev | will be filing a bug later today | 21:37 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: ++, that will be good! | 21:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: thanks for testing! | 21:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’re anxious to start hitting it with more testing. | 21:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 21:38 |
| armax | sorry, I fell | 21:38 |
| mestery | armax: welcome back ;) | 21:39 |
| aleksandr_null | I'm also trying to test it every update of Carl's branch. | 21:39 |
| aleksandr_null | It works from time to time :) | 21:39 |
| mestery | Thanks for the updates carl_baldwin and team! | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I think that is all. | 21:40 |
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| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:40 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: hi there! | 21:40 |
| anteaya | if someone wants to attend infra's meeting tomorrow and ask about the status of multinode that can't hurt | 21:40 |
| armax | anteaya: I will follow up with them | 21:40 |
| emagana | anteaya: I was actually curious about it | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:40 |
| anteaya | kk, sorry sc68cal | 21:41 |
| carl_baldwin | anteaya: Thanks. I’m curious too. | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | Right now, I think we're working on getting stateful/stateless merged | 21:41 |
| * sc68cal digs up link | 21:41 | |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106299/ | 21:41 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: I think that is close | 21:42 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106299/ | 21:42 |
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| sc68cal | that's it for me | 21:43 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Thanks! | 21:43 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:43 |
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| mestery | rkukura and Sukhdev: Hi there! | 21:43 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: hi | 21:43 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:43 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you want to start? | 21:43 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: go ahead | 21:43 |
| rkukura | ok | 21:43 |
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| rkukura | We are focusing on a couple of BPs needed by several mechanism drivers: hierarchical port binding, and related type driver changes | 21:44 |
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| armax | rkukura: I am actively working on the unified binding model :) | 21:44 |
| armax | rkukura: today I should have a new patchset | 21:45 |
| rkukura | Trying to make sure we have agreement on how all the parts fit together, and that mechanism drivers in juno will be able to support hierarchical networks. | 21:45 |
| rkukura | armax: Yes, saw the WIP patch set | 21:45 |
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| rkukura | Plan is to get the DVR-required changes in first, then the hierarchical port binding changes | 21:46 |
| rkukura | We are also tracking a couple bugs, but nothing that needs discussion here AFAIK | 21:46 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Anything to add? | 21:47 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: not really - this covers well | 21:47 |
| rkukura | Anything else on ML2? | 21:47 |
| mestery | rkukura Sukhdev: Thanks for the ML2 updates! | 21:47 |
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| mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:48 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: hi there! | 21:48 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi there | 21:48 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: you mean Sumit | 21:48 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Sorry, wrong person (autocorrect) | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi :-) | 21:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we had a productive code sprint last thursday | 21:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | a number of folks from the team participated and there were some new folks joining as well | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general, most of the code has been review for a while | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we focussed on bridging the remaining gaps, and the vendor drivers that are planned | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we should be in a good position to have this stuff in review pretty soon | 21:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i already saw some WIP patches from kevinbenton (that came out of the code sprint) | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | while on that, armax thanks for the latest round of reviews | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything else to add on GBP? | 21:50 |
| armax | SumitNaiksatam: np | 21:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats it from me, happy to take questions on GBP if there are any | 21:51 |
| mestery | Thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 21:51 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:51 |
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| regXboi | so let's talk a little about GBP | 21:51 |
| regXboi | mestery asked me to open a thread on the ML (which I will do tomorrow) about GP, HK, ATL and the "simpler" approach | 21:52 |
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| salv-orlando | regXboi: like the exchange rate with USD and EUR? | 21:52 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: That one always cracks me up ;) | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | regXboi: link? | 21:53 |
| mestery | regXboi: Yes, based on discussion with you, I wanted your input there. | 21:53 |
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| regXboi | markmcclain: no link yet - the ML thread will be *started* tomorrow | 21:53 |
| mestery | markmcclain: no thread yet | 21:53 |
| regXboi | this is just the "heads up" | 21:54 |
| regXboi | so that folks don't think it's from left field | 21:54 |
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| markmcclain | #info OVS and LB plugins will be proposed for removal this week. | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | You've all be warned :) | 21:54 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Yay! | 21:54 |
| aleksandr_null | It also would be great to discuss a DVR a little bit. | 21:55 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: would have been nice to have that info in the thrid party meeting today under the deprecations topic | 21:55 |
| anteaya | so maybe next time | 21:55 |
| mestery | anteaya: I think I've mentioned this in previous 3rd party meetings. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: sorry I thought 2 cycles was enough :) | 21:55 |
| anteaya | np | 21:55 |
| anteaya | repetition is important with this group, I have found | 21:56 |
| mestery | OK, I think we're pretty much done here. | 21:56 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: Over communication is better than under communication | 21:56 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone, see you all on the ML and in #openstack-neutron! | 21:56 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 21:57:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-28-21.02.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-28-21.02.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-28-21.02.log.html | 21:57 |
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| salv-orlando | adieuu | 21:58 |
| nati_uen_ | bye! | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:58 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:58 |
| pcm_ | bye | 21:58 |
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