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| JRobinson__ | Docs Meeting for APAC due to start in 20 minutes. | 02:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | Docs Meeting to start in roughly 5 minutes. | 02:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | If everyone is ready, we'll begin the meeting very soon, | 03:00 |
| JRobinson__ | one line of preamble: | 03:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | My name is Joe, I'm chairing today in place of loquacities, who is away managing | 03:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | Sorry in advance for any errors or mistakes I make this morning, or afternoon. | 03:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | Since I'm relatively new to working with OpenStack docs, and docs community meetings | 03:05 |
| JRobinson__ | Ok, so that's time | 03:06 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docteam | 03:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 03:06:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:06 |
| JRobinson__ | Reading the logs for the last meeting - I am not sure if there are items from the last meeting to action, but we'll start there | 03:07 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:07 | |
| JRobinson__ | So we had a docs tools update - xi includes more than once, and swift options | 03:08 |
| JRobinson__ | and a review guide plus conventions review. | 03:09 |
| JRobinson__ | Is there progress to note here? | 03:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | annegentle, are there any further items to action from last meeting? | 03:12 |
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| brucer | JRobinson__: could you pls paste the link to the action items? | 03:14 |
| brucer | ah is OK, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-02-03.06.txt loaded eventually | 03:15 |
| JRobinson__ | ok that's the link? Thanks brucer, that's the one I was reading, and I was not sure you meant the log | 03:16 |
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| brucer | Well, thats just the text, guess the html is better. | 03:16 |
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| brucer | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-02-03.06.html | 03:16 |
| brucer | but it was not loading for me! | 03:17 |
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| JRobinson__ | Ok so for this meetings minutes | 03:17 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-02-03.06.html | 03:17 |
| dnavale | JRobinson__: i think these were discussed in the last APAC meeting. Shouldn't there be a new list from the US meeting that happened last week?? | 03:17 |
| JRobinson__ | The US meeting from 07/09/14? I am not sure where those are located | 03:19 |
| dnavale | thought they were all on the same page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs | 03:20 |
| dnavale | but i dont see it there | 03:20 |
| JRobinson__ | I was looking for the 9th of July - the 2nd is there, no 9th | 03:20 |
| brucer | maybe it didnt get put up... | 03:21 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, Can we table the previous meeting actions and move on to this meetings agenda? | 03:21 |
| brucer | or maybe mtg didnt happen? | 03:21 |
| JRobinson__ | It might have been rescheduled, however I could be confusing two different events | 03:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | So would a topic change be ok at this point? We have four key points | 03:23 |
| dnavale | yup, lets do that | 03:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Review of the Architecture and Design Guide book sprint | 03:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of the Architecture and Design Guide book sprint (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:23 | |
| JRobinson__ | So for a recap of the events last week, Nick Chase has written a post for the OpenStack blog | 03:24 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2014/07/five-days-twelve-writers-one-book-sprint-one-excellent-book-on-openstack-architecture/ | 03:24 |
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| dnavale | yeah.. read that. | 03:25 |
| dnavale | do you know when the design guide will be available? | 03:25 |
| JRobinson__ | I don't, but I can find out | 03:25 |
| dnavale | yes please | 03:26 |
| dnavale | thank you | 03:26 |
| JRobinson__ | asettle, you mentioned when the sprint guide would be available? | 03:26 |
| asettle | I did not mention, no. | 03:26 |
| asettle | There is some kinks we're currently ironing out. | 03:26 |
| dnavale | asettle: no dates set at the moment?? | 03:26 |
| JRobinson__ | So current release date is TBA | 03:27 |
| asettle | Unfortunately the software chosen by Book Sprints was not exactly the greatest, so we're just trying to iron out a few things before we go to publish. | 03:27 |
| asettle | Stay in touch with twitter. | 03:27 |
| dnavale | ah ok | 03:27 |
| asettle | I'll be sure to send an email around to both the Rackspace ppl and Red Hat people when it arrives on our shores. | 03:28 |
| JRobinson__ | #info The new design guide's release date is currently TBA due to software issues | 03:28 |
| dnavale | awesome, thanks asettle | 03:28 |
| asettle | Probably the best way to describe it, yup :p | 03:28 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks very much asettle | 03:28 |
| JRobinson__ | #info congratulations to the OpenStack Architecture Design Guide writers! | 03:28 |
| asettle | Aw shucks :D | 03:29 |
| asettle | I don't know if the others are awake. | 03:29 |
| JRobinson__ | Around 3am in the morning, yes. | 03:30 |
| asettle | :p | 03:30 |
| dnavale | asettle: sgordon represented RH?? | 03:30 |
| asettle | He sure did. | 03:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | Were there any further design guide points? | 03:30 |
| asettle | So did Vinny Valdez, and Sebastian Guettierez (sp, gimme a sec) | 03:30 |
| asettle | dnavale, only two of us were writers, as Steve is essentially a product manager now. | 03:31 |
| asettle | Sebastian Gutierrez | 03:32 |
| dnavale | that he is :) | 03:32 |
| asettle | Anyway, thanks JRobinson__ :) | 03:33 |
| JRobinson__ | np asettle : ) | 03:33 |
| dnavale | Congrats y'all | 03:33 |
| JRobinson__ | Ok, umm new topic: | 03:34 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic docs-specs | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs-specs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:34 | |
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| JRobinson__ | A point for this meeting is to put a reminder up for everyone to work on the docs-specs | 03:34 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, has put forward a few of these | 03:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | And here is one currently being worked on | 03:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/heat-templates | 03:35 |
| JRobinson__ | 03:35 | |
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| JRobinson__ | And here is also a link to the docs specification in more detail: | 03:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/blueprints/heat-templates | 03:37 |
| dnavale | yup.. working with gauvain for this one.. | 03:37 |
| JRobinson__ | #info More Docs-specs need to be submitted | 03:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | awesome, so in regards to a redesign spec, annegentle is waiting on data about the audience | 03:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | and any audience analysis needs to be used for Python client dev docs | 03:39 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/python-client-docs-for-app-devs | 03:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | I thinks that's everything on docs spec | 03:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving on to docs tools updates | 03:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Docs tools updates: hyphenation and translation | 03:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs tools updates: hyphenation and translation (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:42 | |
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| JRobinson__ | In regards to hyphenation, we've had a patch that can remove the "SEVERE" hypenation error sometimes reported by maven | 03:44 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106245/ | 03:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | Sorry missed this from earlier: | 03:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #info reminder: everyone please begin work on docs-specs | 03:46 |
| JRobinson__ | so back to hyphenation | 03:46 |
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| dnavale | I should go back and read mails related to this. i've never had an issue with hypernation. so not really sure what's happening with this patch | 03:47 |
| JRobinson__ | #info hyphenation is included by default, and it can also be disabled for any particular build by adding <hyphenate>false</hyphenate> to the configuration section for the clouddocs-maven-plugin | 03:47 |
| JRobinson__ | Yes this is recent - I'm reading from the email sent out about the patch | 03:48 |
| dnavale | ah ok.. thanks | 03:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | In regards to translation - sorry if I have missed anything - the French user guide is near completion | 03:49 |
| JRobinson__ | #info congrats to the French translation team once again | 03:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | The last point before open discussion: | 03:50 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Networking blueprint | 03:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Networking blueprint (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:50 | |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-am and Phil Hopkins are working on a Networking Blueprint | 03:50 |
| dnavale | JRobinson__: this is the one happening on Aug 9, right? | 03:51 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-networking-guide | 03:51 |
| JRobinson__ | I think it might be related to the docs swarm on the 9th, I can check | 03:51 |
| dnavale | oh.. sorry, this is the blueprint and not the swarm.. | 03:52 |
| dnavale | k.. thanks | 03:52 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info a blueprint for stand-alone guide for those who need information on how to install, configure, and use networking has been created | 03:54 |
| JRobinson__ | dnavale, ok, so no response yet, but I will let you know as soon as I get an answer about the networking guide and swarm | 03:55 |
| JRobinson__ | so to move into open discussion now | 03:55 |
| dnavale | thank you | 03:55 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 03:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:55 | |
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| JRobinson__ | Is there any other business for this meeting? | 03:57 |
| dnavale | The next APAC meeting will be F2F hosted here in RH BNE office on July 30. | 03:57 |
| dnavale | Will send the details to Lana during that week. | 03:58 |
| JRobinson__ | That's right : ) thank you dnavale | 03:58 |
| dnavale | It'll be fun to have you all over :) | 03:58 |
| dnavale | that's it from my side, JRobinson__ | 03:59 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks it'll be good to visit :) | 04:00 |
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| dnavale | yup, will see you guys on the 30th | 04:01 |
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| brucer | yeah, wil be good to see you | 04:03 |
| brucer | thats if asettle is not touring the world.. | 04:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | thanks brucer : ), we should all be in BNE. | 04:04 |
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| brucer | cool | 04:04 |
| brucer | seeya then! | 04:04 |
| JRobinson__ | And one final point | 04:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | # Installation guide blueprint work continues under Sam-I-am 's direction | 04:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | sorry, | 04:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Installation guide blueprint work continues under Sam-I-am 's direction, specifically working on sections vital to the Juno release | 04:06 |
| JRobinson__ | and with that, it's time to close the meeting | 04:06 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 04:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 04:07:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-16-03.06.html | 04:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-16-03.06.txt | 04:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-16-03.06.log.html | 04:07 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone :) | 04:08 |
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| asettle | brucer, oh you know me, jet settin' around | 04:09 |
| dnavale | Thanks for conducting Joe, see ya :) | 04:10 |
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| brucer | asettle: :-) | 04:10 |
| brucer | cheers all | 04:10 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: ping? | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hey, yeah, keep getting pulled away from this channel | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 15:06:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | howdy all | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Mid cycle meet up | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | howdy | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | just thinking, who is going to the meet up? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am heading over for that | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the nova mid cycle I mean | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OKay, just checking | 15:07 |
| BobBall | which makes it more impressive that I can continue to type | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so how is the CI this week | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Fun | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | garyk very helpfully pointed out a break that meant I had to rebase devstack-gate | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | I'm thinking of a cronjob to rebase d-g which would be exciting | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | or perhaps what would be better is a merge... Hmmm... anyway | 15:08 |
| BobBall | it meant we were broken for around 2 hours | 15:09 |
| BobBall | which is a shocking length of time | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Apart from that, we're hitting the bugs that are also seen by the gate | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 15:09 |
| BobBall | so all's good | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, interesting, I thought we might avoid some of the gate bugs | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | which ones are you seeing? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1286818 for example | 15:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1286818 in openstack-ci "Ubuntu package archive periodically inconsistent causing gate build failures" [Low,Triaged] | 15:10 |
| BobBall | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1340660 | 15:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1340660 in devstack "Apache failed to start in the gate" [Undecided,New] | 15:10 |
| BobBall | (the first one is a known Rackspace problem! :) ) | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I never really understand that | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | people don't seem to agree thats and issue, etc. | 15:12 |
| BobBall | really? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | I get it a lot | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, you are hitting the ubuntu mirrors, not the rackspace mirros | 15:12 |
| BobBall | you're talking about the Rackspace Ubuntu mirror sometimes being out of date, right? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | no - mirror.rackspace.com/ubuntu | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you need to explicitly point to the rackspace mirror, when I checked up on that | 15:13 |
| BobBall | that's the hurtful one | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, that sounds like our mirror, lol | 15:13 |
| BobBall | the default is the rackspace mirror | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that exception trace in the bug doesn't list the rackspace mirror, I guess thats what was confusing | 15:14 |
| BobBall | remebering, we actually point _away_ from the rackspace mirror so we don't hit that problem (that one is gate only) - the second one is the one I was thinking of but I just hit those two in check jobs which is why I was thinking about it | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1251117 | 15:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251117 in openstack-ci "Rackspace package mirror periodically inconsistent causing gate build failures" [Low,Triaged] | 15:14 |
| BobBall | That's the job I should have pasted, sorry | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | -job + bug | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, so I will try and raise that internally, last time someone dug into that, I got told people were not actually hitting the rackspace mirror | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | it could be a network issue on the way there I guess | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, thanks for the extra detail | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was just checking we didn't see loads of the ssh issues | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | nah | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I was hoping we side step those ones | 15:17 |
| BobBall | not this week | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on CI? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | any news on getting those extra tests enabled yet? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | waiting on a devstack review | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, you got a link? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can see if my +1 helps | 15:19 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107345/ | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that image work OK? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | doesn't look like a VHD one, I guess its a raw one? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | it's the three part image | 15:20 |
| BobBall | it's what we use in our internal CI | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so what about removing the github link all together? | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/blob/master/install-devstack-xen.sh#L428 | 15:20 |
| BobBall | We want to test VHD, so I'd argue against removing it | 15:21 |
| BobBall | Both formats have been broken by someone else's changes in the past - so we might as well have both in there because tempest will (by chance) test both for us | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so you want to have both, that makes sense | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | the default is the VHD image | 15:22 |
| BobBall | but there are a specific class of tempest tests (that upload images to glance) that break that assertion | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the test that needs the latest image will pick that one? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/manager.py#n490 | 15:22 |
| BobBall | Specifically, see the except IOError: clause | 15:23 |
| BobBall | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/scenario/manager.py#n504 | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | but all of that is too much info for the commit message :P | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | just can't see why just yet | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Oh - I know it's not CI stuff, but can you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204165 ? | 15:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1204165 in nova "xenapi: vm_utils.ensure_free_mem does not take into account overheads" [Low,Triaged] | 15:25 |
| BobBall | can't see why what? | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, just not sure why it needs the three part image for the test | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | vs a qcow2 image | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | feels very hypervisor specific | 15:26 |
| BobBall | because it can't find qcow2, so it assumes everyone must have 3-part? or libvirt supports both, so it tries qcow and falls back to 3-part? | 15:27 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:27 |
| BobBall | it is exceptionally hypervisor specific | 15:27 |
| BobBall | and perhaps the answer is to fix tempest | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think so | 15:27 |
| BobBall | but the easy answer for us - and a very useful one for testing - is to have the 3 part image tested by that code path | 15:27 |
| BobBall | as I said before, people sometimes break 3-part so we should test it somewhere; and we want to default to VHD | 15:28 |
| BobBall | so this change is the right one for us | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, but why is this stopping you adding some tests, because that bit of tempest can't create the correct image? | 15:29 |
| BobBall | without the 3-part image tempest fails because it's not there and we don't support/provide qcow2 | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | http://dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/34/96734/2/17227/testr_results.html.gz | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/stack/new/devstack/files/images/cirros-0.3.2-x86_64-uec/cirros-0.3.2-x86_64-vmlinuz' | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think I kinda get that now | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways +1 on that | 15:30 |
| BobBall | I'll ask in -infra | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | better to fix tempest though, but no idea which is quicker to review | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, any more? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | no, better _not_ to fix tempest | 15:30 |
| BobBall | as I said, we want UEC images to be tested | 15:30 |
| BobBall | and they are not tested anywhere else | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | so if we can test them here because tempest is hypervisor specific then that's just fine by me | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I kinda think we should rip that feature out of the system myself, but Ok | 15:31 |
| BobBall | perhaps | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | Yes - any more: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204165 | 15:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1204165 in nova "xenapi: vm_utils.ensure_free_mem does not take into account overheads" [Low,Triaged] | 15:32 |
| BobBall | Please comment on the bug :) | 15:32 |
| BobBall | it's one you raised and the question is is it still relevant | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just added a comment | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | ah then no :( | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we still need that fixing, I should work through some of those soon | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I forgot about that one | 15:33 |
| BobBall | fair enough | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the real answer is to remove that check, or at least move it, but thats a different converstaion | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we did that already | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:35 |
| BobBall | well the one I was talking about yeah... | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more | 15:35 |
| BobBall | have you/anyone looked at the updated ocaml-vhd rpm? | 15:35 |
| BobBall | for the snapshot bug? | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't think there is an easy why for us to test that, the bug is not very reproducable | 15:35 |
| BobBall | Shame... | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | or at least, we don't have the information on how to reproduce it right now | 15:36 |
| BobBall | well I thought you suggested it should be 100% reproducible :) | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | done loads and they worked fine, all seemingly doing the same thing | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | on one particular VM it was reproducible, but we worked around things for that VM I think | 15:37 |
| BobBall | shame you didn't copy the VHDs | 15:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, duno what they are doing, its not my team working on that right now | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | they may have them, but thats customer data, so I suspect we couldn't do that | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | duno the details of that case right now | 15:38 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any more for any more? | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are done | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: thanks, catch you next week | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 15:40:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-16-15.06.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-16-15.06.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-16-15.06.log.html | 15:40 |
| BobBall | bye :) | 15:41 |
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| jgriffith | cinder meeting ? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #topic cinder meeting | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Yes, have some. | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | #start meeting cinder | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 16:01:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
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| jgriffith | geesh | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: lol | 16:02 |
| bswartz | lol | 16:02 |
| eharney | :) | 16:02 |
| glenng | Grretings | 16:02 |
| flip214 | that needs a few aliases. | 16:02 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: bswartz it's been a while but today I did it :) | 16:02 |
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| asselin | hi | 16:02 |
| bruff | hi | 16:02 |
| jkremer | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| jecarey | hi | 16:02 |
| akerr | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| bswartz | flip214: it's an inside joke -- he does it on purpose | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | We've got a fairly full list of topics today | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Wow, thingee is here. | 16:02 |
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| flip214 | bswartz: oh, okay. | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | I do want to start with one quick reminder | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | J-2 is scheduled for next week!!!! | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | If you have work you were planning on getting in and it's not under review already you're probably too late | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | BP/Spec proposal freeze is also upon us (tomorrow) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | but at this point I'm inclinded to reject anything that shows up anyway | 16:04 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: BP for whole juno? | 16:04 |
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| navneet | or just J2 | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: no, but we get really restrictive after J2 remember | 16:04 |
| navneet | jgriffith: ok...makes sense | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | navneet: we're *supposed* to focus on stability, testing and bug fixes | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | ok... | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | let's get started | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | We should basically consider BP submissions frozen at this point. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic fun contributing to cinder | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: you're up | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | Hey | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT- | So, as the agenda item says, we've had lots of really nitty reviews | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT- | White space, docstring comment format etc | 16:06 |
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| flip214 | is there some lint tool, like "indent" for C, that can reformat some sources completely? such a commandline could be used a precommit hook, and everything would be good. | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT- | My suggestion is 1) We stop doing those sorts of reviews unless the code is truely ugly b) For things like docstrings, fix the hacking check or STFU | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: None that are very good IMO | 16:07 |
| flip214 | DuncanT-: okay. 1+ for I) | 16:07 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: you know what's a bummer, is I have to keep reminding the same people | 16:07 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: lets start there | 16:07 |
| bswartz | how about for people that really want to be format nazis -- upload a new patchset yourself | 16:07 |
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| asselin | I agree we shouldn't waste time reviewing those nitpicks | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Can we just fix the hacking checks to spot it or stop caring? | 16:08 |
| navneet | DuncanT: agree.....but untill we fix hacking.rst what should we do? | 16:08 |
| eharney | are people going to be annoyed if people submit cleanup patches? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | flip214: pep8/flake8 and hacking | 16:08 |
| asselin | or at least, no -1's for it. | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: and if those don't catch it we shouldn't care IMO | 16:08 |
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| eharney | because at some point we have to make things tidy either in the review process or in later changes | 16:08 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: my effort is to stop it. If you don't like me reminding people and would prefer a script to people remind people, by all means. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | eharney: you know I will be :) | 16:08 |
| thingee | I'm doing my part by keeping it out | 16:08 |
| * thingee can be replaced by a shell script | 16:09 | |
| DuncanT- | thingee: I don't see the details as important, I'd suggest that people who do should script it ratehr than doing it in reviews | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I think the point is kinda being missed | 16:09 |
| eharney | so the proposal is really: we will be ok with some level of inconsistency/messiness | 16:09 |
| flip214 | well, if there's a script to do that, it should be automatically done *at some, fixed points in time*. | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | If I could interrupt for a second | 16:09 |
| flip214 | so that there are not that many merge conflicts because of whitespace changes. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | I think the sort of thing that's a bit troubling is | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | for example when there are 5 +1's or +2's | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: If you thing it is important and can script it, please please please do | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | then someobdy throws a -1 or even a -2 because somebody used "theres" instead of "their's" | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 ... | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | or becasue there was an extra whitespace in a docstring or comment | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | We have a 1 week window per milestone for cleanup patches, so we can clean it up | 16:10 |
| akerr | if you remember that it needs cleaned up | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | typos in comments should be fixed up but I don't think a patch should be rejected because of them | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I have been not worrying about minor misspellings in commit messages. If it is early in the review I comment on typos or formatting but not if it is close to being merged. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | think I was lost in the noise | 16:11 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I'm fine with helping reupload people's patches who make small mistakes. I'm not ok with making an exception on the style guides. | 16:11 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: commit messages are different... they are permanent and people need to be able to search for terms in them | 16:11 |
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| akerr | you can change commit messages right in gerrit now, right? | 16:12 |
| thingee | I think if I had enough bandwidth, I would help with the hacking scripts. | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | Thingee: The style guides are guides, it is there in the name... anything hacking enforces I'm fine with, but people -1ing on them is costing openstack contributers and not improving the code noticably | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:12 |
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| flip214 | +1, move on? | 16:12 |
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| asselin | +1 | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Problem there is then we have to all agree on what to enforce. :-) | 16:13 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: +1 | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | Thingee: I'd rather let them slide until the hacking script is fixed then fix them up at the same time as fixing the script - all future cases will get cause by the script | 16:13 |
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| navneet | I got depressed too with reviews on my code sometimeback | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Can we just agree to lighten up a bit.... | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: +1 | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | for example: if you review a patch make a comment *hey could you fix this up* | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | but quit holding up the queue for nits? | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | it's subjective, but we're all adults | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | we can do this | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 fair enough. | 16:14 |
| eharney | there are also some places that this gets a lot trickier such as in text descriptions for config options etc... | 16:14 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:14 |
| navneet | jgriffith: +1 | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and if you want to -1 that's fine | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | it's your right | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | eharney: If it looks important, -1. That's fine | 16:14 |
| glenng | Makes sense | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | but it may get ignored :) | 16:15 |
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| navneet | fair enough | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | but PLEASE for the love of whatever, no -2's for nits! | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That hasn't been happening, has it? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you ok with that? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's happened in the past, but it's been a while luckily | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | ok... thingee may have left us | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | shall we move on? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: you good? | 16:16 |
| bswartz | thingee is busy replacing himself with a shellscript | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: it's usual make exceptions. i get it | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: perl script I think | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: what's that supposed to mean? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Ooooh, we could use PERL? | 16:17 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: we can take it offline | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I think we should, I'll ping you after meeting | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: anything else? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: .... you fall asleep? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | ok then | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Left for the pub. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | Sorry, connection froze up | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | #topic how to proceed with openstack-req's | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: DOH | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | I'm done | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | hopefully you were good | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ok.. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | flip214: what ya got here? | 16:19 |
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| flip214 | In https://review.openstack.org/99013 I'm trying to get a DBUS library into the dependencies. | 16:19 |
| flip214 | but that's quite awful... | 16:19 |
| flip214 | while for production setups there are packages available (RHEL, SUSE, Debian/Ubuntu), | 16:20 |
| flip214 | devstack wants to use a tarball from pypi.python.org | 16:20 |
| flip214 | and that is a) old b) not pip compatible and so c) doesn't work for devstack. | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT- | flip214: Then that tarball needs fixing up.... should eb easy enoguh to do | 16:21 |
| flip214 | using a single python library from system libraries seems to be hard in devstack - or at least might influence many other things | 16:21 |
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| flip214 | DuncanT-: not that easy, said the maintainer. | 16:21 |
| flip214 | dbus needs libraries and so compiles some bits via a C compiler | 16:21 |
| flip214 | so autotools are needed etc. | 16:21 |
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| eharney | do dbus basically isn't maintaining a release on pypi? | 16:21 |
| eharney | so dbus* | 16:22 |
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| flip214 | IMHO we should just use the available packages... | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: There are loads of things on pypi that do that... | 16:22 |
| flip214 | eharney: not "maintaining" as such, no. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Openstack wants to be able to run all the python stuff from a venv. There are good reasons for that desire | 16:22 |
| flip214 | well, if anyone knows enough autotools and pip and python etc. to help the maintainer fix that, I'd be very happy. | 16:22 |
| eharney | this sounds like a situation where we may need to do something like a fake_dbus, similar to what Nova does with libvirt for similar reasons | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | flip214: honestly this brings me back to my earlier rants | 16:22 |
| navneet | flip214: are you suggestng devstack uses available packages as per distribution and installs them which might not be appening rt now? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | flip214: perhaps just don't put your stuff in req's | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Send me a link to the library, I'll see if I can find a volunteer | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | flip214: it's a seperate config step for your users | 16:23 |
| flip214 | http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/ | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | flip214: only other option is do things the way everybody else has to | 16:23 |
| flip214 | well, in production we'll have RPMs/DEBs for our stuff, with the correct dependencies. No problem there. | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: I'm still pretty adimentn that I shouldn't have to download a boat load of packages/libs in my test env when I'm not even using your stuff | 16:24 |
| flip214 | resp. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus-python/ | 16:24 |
| * avishay sneaks in and sits in the back | 16:24 | |
| eharney | jgriffith: that is avoided with my suggestion above | 16:24 |
| navneet | flip214: devstack can add similar mechanism ? it knows the platform | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | eharney: sorry... I missed it? | 16:24 |
| eharney | basically you make a fake dbus module that has stubs for the methods you want to unit test against | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1000 | 16:24 |
| eharney | nova does this for libvirt unit tests because it's a similar mess | 16:24 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: why do I have to download hp3parclient to get cinder unit tests to run then? | 16:24 |
| eharney | this sounds like the same problem and should have the same solution | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's what i asked HP and everybody else to do | 16:25 |
| navneet | bswartz: +1...good question | 16:25 |
| eharney | bswartz: supposedly that was fixed | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: cuz hemna__ refuses to help me out on this | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | eharney: that would be good news | 16:25 |
| eharney | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92266/ | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: as much as gripe and complain to him about it :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: eharney and yes it was | 16:25 |
| bswartz | oh I will change my setup script and try this | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: eharney IIRC 3par, lhn both | 16:26 |
| flip214 | yes, for testing on devstack some fake_dbus is needed anyway. but what if I want to test the cinder driver *in real operation* within devstack? | 16:26 |
| bswartz | +1 for not requiring weird libraries if you're not using a vendor's stuff | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Does that make sense to you? | 16:26 |
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| eharney | flip214: in devstack it will just load the system dbus driver because nothing will be mocking it out | 16:26 |
| navneet | flip214: install as per the platform manually as was done for hp3par before | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | navneet: +1 | 16:26 |
| flip214 | DuncanT-: I'll need some more details on how to provide the fake library for devstack, but basically yes. | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: At least until pypi is fixed up | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | flip214: I think the bottom line is this | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: That isn't too hard, we can talk offline | 16:27 |
| navneet | flip214: its your driver so you can take responsibility of testing it | 16:27 |
| flip214 | ok thanks, then I'm done with that issue. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | 3'rd party libs for "drivers" don't belong in requirements | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | if you want them there you need to go with the rules they have | 16:27 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: okay, will cancel the proposal then. | 16:27 |
| eharney | jgriffith: eh... they have to be vetted for licensing though | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: I don't think so | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's the beauty of leaving them out I thought | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: if you suck them in that's *your* problem | 16:28 |
| eharney | jgriffith: not sure how that would work out but i'll go with it -- not important for now | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: I certainly could be wrong | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: INAL | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | We can burn that bridge when somebody is standing on it... | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:29 |
| DuncanT- | Shall we move on? | 16:29 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: :) | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj is enjoying that mental image. | 16:29 | |
| jgriffith | #topic code-churn | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: what are you thinking of exactly here? | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj just accidentally typed 'code church' in my notes. | 16:29 | |
| flip214 | thanks, mine again. I'd like to do some work - both for an implementation of the replication API, and for a cinder volume driver. | 16:29 |
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| flip214 | I'm just not sure whether the code churn will make all that obsolete even before I complete a draft version. | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: so first... volume driver? | 16:30 |
| eharney | that shouldn't generally be a problem for a driver | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: you mean add a "new" volume driver for your product? | 16:31 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: yeah, using DRBDmanage below, for replicated storage, but without cinder having to know about that detail. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | Most drivers haven't been broken by code changes very often at all... | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: we'll see if I can change that :) | 16:31 |
| flip214 | but as the backend/connector layers are being rewritten I'm not sure whether it's a good time right now. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | flip214: we're pretty good about keeping the API calls consistent | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: you're kinda too late anyway :( | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | typically we frown upon new drivers after J2 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | err... second milestone | 16:32 |
| flip214 | I may be completely off-track, but I feel that there are too many git HEADs running around, each changing some substantial portion of the code base ... | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: That's days away yet.... | 16:32 |
| navneet | jgriffith: or simply ignore the driver :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: LOL | 16:32 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: the BP is available since a month, and the first draft implementation was done in May. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: That's perfectly normal for openstack I'm afraid.... CI should help | 16:33 |
| flip214 | now it's just to implement all needed things - like snapshots and so on. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | flip214: what DuncanT- said. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | flip214: *just* | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: But this is massively parallel development | 16:33 |
| flip214 | achieving "stability", if you like | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: welcome to OpenStack :) | 16:33 |
| flip214 | thanks, I enjoy my ride ;) | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | flip214: that's fine, work on your code | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | flip214: just be sure to test it | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | flip214: It is iterative. | 16:33 |
| flip214 | but if it's just a wrong feeling on my side, then thanks - I'm done. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Don't have to get everything in at once. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | flip214: this is why we want 3'rd party CI so badly | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ummmm not true | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: for drivers you sure do | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Once you're merged and plugged into CI, most obvious breakage will be the job of the breakee to fix in most cases | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Well, all the required function, yes. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Thought he was worried about the newer functions. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I.E. replication. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That is still a moving target and can be added for his driver at a later point. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | ok... shall we move on? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | flip214: you good? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | flip214: we can talk more in cinder if you want | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | flip214: sorry but a big part of the answer on both of your topics today is "sorry, this is kinda how things roll" | 16:36 |
| flip214 | thanks, I'm done. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | flip214: there's always a ton of parallel dev work | 16:36 |
| flip214 | jgriffith: that's cool, I'll have to find out how things work here. | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | and that's not going to change for a driver submission | 16:37 |
| flip214 | it's a bit different than sitting with the 3 other developers in the same room ... | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: But far more fun | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | flip214: yeah... it's a steep curve, but I think you've got it pretty well | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +2 | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | okie dokies | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | #topic hitachi driver update | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | do we have a hitachi rep here? | 16:37 |
| tsekiyama | jgriffith: yep | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | tsekiyama: ahh... hello! | 16:38 |
| tsekiyama | hi all | 16:38 |
| tsekiyama | we've uploaded our recent patch on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90379/, and passed the unit tests | 16:38 |
| tsekiyama | and urrently it has -2 because there was multiple reviews opening in the past (v2, v3, etc.) | 16:39 |
| tsekiyama | but old ones are marked 'Abandoned' now | 16:39 |
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| tsekiyama | So I'd like to know how we can move this driver forward to be merged | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | tsekiyama: I'll fix that | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | tsekiyama: can you also clean up the bp | 16:39 |
| tsekiyama | jgriffith: thanks | 16:40 |
| DuncanT- | TBH I skipped reviewing it because of the -2, I'll put it back on my list | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | tsekiyama: my concern was that there were "v1, v2, v3..." patches all submitted | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | none dependencies etc | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | Me too. | 16:40 |
| tsekiyama | ah ok, we'll cleanup the BPs too | 16:40 |
| avishay | only 5700 LOC, no biggie | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Doh! | 16:40 |
| * jgriffith vomits a bit | 16:41 | |
| DuncanT- | I'm wondering how much of that trace infrastructure we can generalise | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | tsekiyama: thank you | 16:41 |
| navneet | avishay: :) | 16:41 |
| avishay | cert test results? | 16:41 |
| DuncanT- | avishay: cert test results are in the review comments | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I removed the -2, my only concern was you had 3 versions of that in process | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | didn't know which one you actually *wanted* :) | 16:41 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: okey dokey | 16:41 |
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| xyang2 | jgriffith: Do all drivers have to be merged next week, J2? | 16:41 |
| tsekiyama | avishay: the link to result is in the threadd | 16:41 |
| avishay | tsekiyama: ok no problem | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: they're supposed to be | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | EMC has several drivers that need be reviewed too. Any help appreciated! | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | there are a ton of reviews to be done... and a large number of them are drivers | 16:42 |
| * thingee missed something | 16:42 | |
| jgriffith | xyang2: we'll get it worked out | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: thanks! | 16:43 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Tab completion error, don't worry | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: my comment about drivers? | 16:43 |
| sonea | jgriffith, if alle drivers have to be merged next week what about the openattic driver? - can we still upload our code? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: OHHH | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | sorry | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | yeah, tab completion | 16:43 |
| thingee | :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | sonea: we should talk about that | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | sonea: I was inclined to not merge that | 16:43 |
| nileshb | IBM NAS driver extension for GPFS over NFS needs review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106040/ | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | sonea: it's a straight up duplicate of drivers that already exist in Cinder | 16:44 |
| nileshb | Any help much appreciated | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | Please stop asking for reviews on your driver patches | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | sonea: I'm trying to understand the benefit | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | nileshb: That has been reviewed and there are comments to address. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | sonea: you offer an LVM driver and ZFS etc | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | sonea: all drivers that exist in Cinder natively | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | sonea: grab me in #openstack-cinder | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | we're runnign out of time | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | #topic crazy a**ed logging | 16:46 |
| sonea | jgriffith, yes thank you | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: | 16:46 |
| tsekiyama | we'd also like to know about 3rd party CI status, maybe discuessed in next topic? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | err DuncanT- | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT- | Ok, so | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | I can only see one thing we can do to avoid needing the _LW etc bits, as noted in the agenda | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | Or we can say we don't care, and let the translation leams suck it up | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | Or somebody smarter than me can come up with a better idea | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: yeah, as much as I think not using msg variables can be painful, it's not as bad as the crazy "LW_" blah blah | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I'm inclined to vote for that as an option | 16:48 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: smarter than you....not true | 16:48 |
| DuncanT- | If we want go with the first option, then I've got a load of time sat in an airport on Friday so I'll work up a patch | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: When I brought this up with jgriffith and hemna__ the initial response was to say we don't care. | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: BTW, I'm assuming you didn't mean to omitt the LOG.warning(*_*( | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: what? | 16:49 |
| eharney | can we not write some log method ourselves like LOG_warning() that would handle the categorization as well as logging? i'm not sure how to do this but there must be some way... | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you brought up the two options? | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We talked about this last Thursday when I asked about the process for getting the _Lx() implemented and it sounded like we were going to ignroe it for now. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that what I asked | 16:50 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I absolutely intended to, though I'm now not sure that is right.... I was going to make the string extraction understand that LOG.xxxx() should be treated like _() | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I was told *no* but I'm still not convinced | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: I wrote my own version in utils | 16:50 |
| eharney | jgriffith: it does seem hard but i'm not really convinced either | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: and it did the whole crazy LW prefix thing | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: but the argument was that is messes up with imported libs | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | eharney: which led me back to my "quit using libs, they are a PITA" | 16:51 |
| * jungleboyj is confused. | 16:51 | |
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| eharney | it shouldn't if you make a new LOG_warning() method instead of overwriting lower-level ones.. | 16:51 |
| eharney | but i dunno. i suggest we poke around for alternatives. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: ahh... | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: You are going to write something up that makes LOG.xxx automatically do LOG.xxx(_( ? | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: so that's the *other* issue | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I fully agree | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: the problem is folks like Doug Hellman came up with this and hes' WAYYY smarter than me about python internals and tricks | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | if that's what he came up with I'm a bit discouraged in what I can do :( | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Are we mixing two discussions here? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes *your* are :) | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT- | Basically the thing that consumes these macros is the string extraction machinery.... which runs offline, so I *think* I can teach that to be smarter | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: they're very much related | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | The actual translation works fine with _ | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok, I see. So you think we can avoid having to add in _Lx() ? | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: In most cases, yes | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: That would be fabulous! | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: We'd still need it for msg = "blah" cases, but there are far fewer of those | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Do we have a better solution than explicitly adding the import of _ in each file that uses _() ? | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: No | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: so people like me just quit using that form :) | 16:54 |
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| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Or use _Lx() - either will work | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok, I need to get that review through then. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | sigh | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | it's so silly | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: I prefer not to have msg = used anyway. That seems easy enough to enforce. | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I suspect you could catch all your cases with static analysis, but I won't have that done by the weekend :-) | 16:56 |
| navneet | jungleboyj: msg = is required for long ones....better visible | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | there's serious downsides to that, as much as I'd be inclined to say OK | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: +1 | 16:56 |
| akerr | so the example in the agenda confuses me, should it not have LOG.warning(_(...? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: navneet That is in limited cases though. | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | akerr: Looks like it will need to | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: huh? | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | akerr: Yes. | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | akerr: To get translation domains right | 16:57 |
| navneet | jungleboyj: we use it for that purpose otherwise dont | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | haha! | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | that just seems funny | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +2 | 16:57 |
| DuncanT- | Looks like it is worth putting some effort into..... I'll post a patch | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | "use that in cases that you need it, otherwise don't use it" | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | that's what we do now :) | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: thanks! | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:58 |
| akerr | 2 minute warning | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | alright... | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | So msg = "my short message" is bad | 16:58 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT_: should I still ask people to change LOG.warning() to LOG.warning(_(...? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: pick which of your topics you want | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: I would say yes. | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT- | xyang2: Ask me on Monday when I've got something working | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | seems we kinda covered the first a bit | 16:58 |
| DuncanT- | xyang2: But probably | 16:58 |
| navneet | jungleboyj: yes... and we need to use msg + "long msg" for extreme cases? | 16:58 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT-, jungleboyj: ok, thanks | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yes, so I just want to clarify what is going to happen on 7/24 as far as diver removal. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | bahh... we're out of time | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #topic driver removal for no 3'rd party ci | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: tomorrow | 16:59 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: I start shouting louder! | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | I'll start removing drivers | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | Kidding! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We can take it to #cinder | 16:59 |
| navneet | jgriffith: u promised juno 3 | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I know. | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: I didn't, others did | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:59 |
| navneet | :) | 16:59 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Anybody who I don't have a maintainer email for or who isn't answering might get a rude patch in | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | let's chat in openstack-cinder | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 17:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-16-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-16-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-16-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | thanks everybody | 17:00 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
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| arnaud__ | hi | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 17:00:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| tjones | hi golks | 17:01 |
| tjones | s/golks/folks | 17:01 |
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| tjones | heh | 17:01 |
| mdbooth | Hello | 17:01 |
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| arnaud__ | fyi: gary and dado can't make it | 17:01 |
| arnaud__ | s/dado/rado | 17:02 |
| tjones | ok bummer | 17:02 |
| tjones | lets get started then | 17:02 |
| tjones | just want to bring to your attention - the schedule | 17:02 |
| tjones | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 17:02 |
| tjones | juno-2 is next week! | 17:02 |
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| tjones | that came fast!!! | 17:03 |
| vuil | o/ | 17:03 |
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| tjones | #topic BP under review | 17:03 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:04 |
| tjones | so take a look here - there is nothing | 17:04 |
| tjones | no open specs | 17:04 |
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| tjones | here are the merged specs #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:05 |
| tjones | kiran is not here | 17:05 |
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| tjones | his is missing | 17:05 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: n00b question: what does 'open' mean in the above context? | 17:05 |
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| tjones | open means still in review | 17:05 |
| tjones | not yet approved | 17:06 |
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| tjones | merged means approved | 17:06 |
| mdbooth | Thanks | 17:06 |
| mdbooth | Ok | 17:06 |
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| tjones | yeah so i am wondering what happened to the specs we had last week in review | 17:06 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy was doing some spec cleanup | 17:06 |
| mdbooth | Did he kill them? | 17:07 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98704/ | 17:07 |
| arnaud__ | -2 them | 17:07 |
| tjones | yep | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suspect I did, sorry, its freeze time | 17:07 |
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| tjones | bummer | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, in future, it would be awesome to see lots of +1s on your specs that you really think are ready, it will help us identify when a sub-group has blessed something | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we are compiling the list of things that might want exceptions, but its getting too big already | 17:08 |
| tjones | yeah thanks johnthetubaguy. i see that in your comment | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you have anything that is about driver consistency? | 17:08 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: Like what? | 17:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like adding support for API xyz that doesn't already work | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | or something like that | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | I don't think so | 17:09 |
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| tjones | i don't think so either | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | While we're on the subject, I (very briefly) discussed the refactor series with johnthetubaguy, this morning I think | 17:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bummer, oh well, feel free to raise one or two you think are super super important, but I can't promise anything | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth | We've got a huge patch series which is ready for core review | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth | However, because the phase 3 stuff hasn't landed, yet, we can't mark the BP as needs review | 17:11 |
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| mdbooth | Which means we're less likely to get attention on the stuff which is already in | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | I think we need to land that asap | 17:11 |
| vuil | I am working on getting the phase 3 stuff posted in the next day or two. | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Awesome | 17:12 |
| vuil | But honestly the current huge list of patches are ready and orthogonal | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Phase 3 patches? | 17:12 |
| vuil | We should encourage review eyes on them | 17:12 |
| tjones | lets talk about aproved BP then | 17:12 |
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| tjones | #topic approved BP | 17:12 |
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| tjones | so - the refactor!! | 17:12 |
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| vuil | mdbooth: I mean the current rather sizeable list of reviews that we should have the cores look at | 17:13 |
| mdbooth | #link http://paste.fedoraproject.org/118493/40552732/raw/ | 17:13 |
| tjones | wow - it's 15 or so patches now right? | 17:13 |
| mdbooth | Did I do that right? | 17:13 |
| vuil | I was referring to the refactor-related chain of patches | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Cool. I'm surprised they're orthogonal, though. | 17:14 |
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| mdbooth | I can't imagine it's possible to touch that code without conflicting with something in the existing series. | 17:14 |
| vuil | for review purposes, I mean. It's not like the current dozen or so patches cannot be reviewed and merged | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | Yes, they can | 17:15 |
| tjones | mdbooth: can you paste the link to the dependent patches list like you did that time? | 17:15 |
| vuil | The phase 3 code mainly refactors the second part of spawn that the current series mostly does not touch. | 17:15 |
| tjones | the list has grown | 17:15 |
| mdbooth | tjones: ^^^ | 17:15 |
| tjones | that is all of our ourstanding patches | 17:15 |
| tjones | not just spawn | 17:16 |
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| tjones | refactor | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | tjones: If you make it wide enough you can see the refactor series in the middle of it | 17:16 |
| tjones | ok i see it | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | Incidentally, I've now ported the dep feature to qgerrit | 17:16 |
| tjones | wow | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | The above was generated by my qgerrit fork | 17:17 |
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| vuil | 106794 to 104148 | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | So I could probably improve it by removing some fields :) | 17:17 |
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| tjones | this is great | 17:18 |
| tjones | anyway —— do you guys think we can get this done by juno-2 (7/24)? | 17:18 |
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| vuil | It's not unreasonable to ask that the cores look at those right? They have had various stages of +1/+2 already | 17:18 |
| tjones | yes that seems very reasonable | 17:19 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: Right. If we genuinely think the whole BP is landed, though, we can mark it as needs review | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | Which apparently puts it in a priority queue | 17:20 |
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| tjones | vuil: mdbooth: do you have anything ele to do or is it done? | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Nothing on refactor, no. | 17:21 |
| tjones | lets mark it as need review then! | 17:21 |
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| vuil | The last patch in my list https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98322/, is being rebased and broken up right now. | 17:21 |
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| mdbooth | Here's output with fewer fields, btw: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/118519/40553124/raw/ | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | Slightly easier to read | 17:22 |
| vuil | I do think it is not a stretch to mark this as needs review. | 17:22 |
| tjones | ok so vuil when you have pushed it, lets mark the BP as need review | 17:22 |
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| vuil | It will take time for the cores to wade through even the initial list | 17:22 |
| tjones | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:22 |
| tjones | we are not going to have much time to get vsan, spbm, etc in after refactor | 17:23 |
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| mdbooth | spbm has a dep on oslo.vmware | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | I think we need to push oslo.vmware hard | 17:24 |
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| mdbooth | If we don't, it won't make juno-3 | 17:24 |
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| tjones | that BP is already marked as need review. it's quite large. i see dims and gary have already +1 | 17:25 |
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| tjones | it could use a few more from this team before we start asking the cores to look | 17:25 |
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| mdbooth | I think I've reviewed it at least once | 17:25 |
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| mdbooth | Although I haven't looked in detail recently | 17:25 |
| tjones | so for the next week - the prio is spawn refactor reviews and oslo.vmware reviews | 17:26 |
| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/ | 17:26 |
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| vuil | 70175 is large by necessity, but changes are quite mechanical | 17:27 |
| tjones | oslo.vmware maybe higher prio as it's already marked in review - so it really has a chance of making j-2 | 17:27 |
| tjones | anything else on BP for juno? | 17:27 |
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| arnaud__ | on the glance side (which might be relevant for vmware stuff at some point): I am asking an exception for this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84887/ | 17:28 |
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| tjones | will there be significant changes in nova if you get it approved? | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: hey, I got distracted, but about those refactor patches, if you people can review them all and get it to where you are all happy, and add lots of +1s, it makes life easier for the core reviewers that come along afterwards, and should make it easer to get merged | 17:30 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: We're there :) | 17:30 |
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| mdbooth | It's good to go | 17:30 |
| arnaud__ | tjones: I can bring up the patches, they are already pretty much written since icehouse | 17:31 |
| arnaud__ | or maybe havana | 17:31 |
| tjones | arnaud__: lol. | 17:31 |
| arnaud__ | it's not too big | 17:31 |
| arnaud__ | fairly mechanical I would say | 17:31 |
| tjones | have you rebased on top of the refactor work ?? | 17:32 |
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| arnaud__ | I am not the author of the patches | 17:32 |
| arnaud__ | just the spec | 17:32 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 17:32 |
| tjones | ah ok | 17:32 |
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| arnaud__ | I doesn't impact vmware driver | 17:32 |
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| tjones | ok no worries then ;-) | 17:33 |
| tjones | anything else on BP | 17:33 |
| tjones | ? | 17:33 |
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| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:34 |
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| tjones | im doing a quick triage | 17:35 |
| tjones | this one looks interesting | 17:35 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1337798 | 17:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1337798 in nova "VMware: snapshot operation copies a live image" [Undecided,New] | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | Ah, yes | 17:35 |
| * mdbooth had forgotten that one | 17:35 | |
| mdbooth | vuil: I replied, btw | 17:36 |
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| mdbooth | I think you may have misread it | 17:36 |
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| vuil | ah reading now. | 17:36 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: My suspicion is aroused because we do: | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | snapshot = self._create_vm_snapshot(instance, vm_ref) | 17:37 |
| mdbooth | And the only other place the snapshot variable is used is when it's deleted | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | IIRC there are some apis for streaming a snapshot, and it doesn't look like we're using them | 17:38 |
| vuil | yeah, the snapshot changes the vmdk file that is written to, making the original vmdk the read-only (frozen) data | 17:38 |
| vuil | we copy that out to glance, | 17:39 |
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| mdbooth | Ok, so: | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | dest_vmdk_file_path = ds_util.build_datastore_path(datastore_name, | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | "%s/%s.vmdk" % (self._tmp_folder, random_name)) | 17:39 |
| vuil | deleting snapshot undoes the disk chain lengthening, restores file name , etc. | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | That's now the snapshot | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | ? | 17:39 |
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| vuil | key is vmdk_file_path_before_snapshot | 17:40 |
| vuil | probably bad name, what it is saving is the path that will become the frozen disk after the snapshot | 17:40 |
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| mdbooth | sourceName=vmdk_file_path_before_snapshot, | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Yeah, that's deeply suspicious :) | 17:40 |
| vuil | it also happens to be the path of the disk that we write to again once the snapshot is deleted. | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Is that documented anywhere? | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | Also, what happens if you make 2 snapshots? | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | They can't both have the original uri | 17:41 |
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| * mdbooth has seen vmdk filenames with lots of zeroes in them | 17:41 | |
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| vuil | only the first one does, the chain build from there. If we take two (which we are careful not to), the path is still valid and points to the first. | 17:42 |
| vuil | not the first one | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | Anyway, it was non-obvious so I opened that bug to ensure somebody looked | 17:43 |
| vuil | anyway, I now get your concern, we can sort this out offline to make sure we didn't miss anything. | 17:43 |
| mdbooth | You looked :) | 17:43 |
| tjones | so the code works but is confusing? | 17:43 |
| tjones | *im confused* | 17:43 |
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| mdbooth | Might be worth leaving the bug open to track adding a big comment | 17:43 |
| tjones | ok lets do that | 17:44 |
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| tjones | i don't have any other bugs to bring up. anyone else? | 17:44 |
| * mdbooth doesn't have anything | 17:45 | |
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| tjones | topic #opendiscussion | 17:45 |
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| tjones | i guess we don't want to ask for exception on any of the missed BP. The only one i am wondering about is kiran's | 17:45 |
| tjones | thoughts on that (or any of the others)? | 17:46 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: Link? | 17:46 |
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| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98704/ | 17:47 |
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| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:48 |
| tjones | here is all of them | 17:48 |
| arnaud__ | fiy: I sent an email to the ML about oslo.vmware and requirements. If anyone has a pov: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev%40lists.openstack.org/msg29544.html , that would help | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | arnaud__: Reading | 17:49 |
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| mdbooth | fwiw, I only really read posts with [nova] or [vmware] | 17:49 |
| * mdbooth can't handle the firehose | 17:50 | |
| arnaud__ | I forgot the vmware tag | 17:50 |
| arnaud__ | I realized that just after sending | 17:50 |
| arnaud__ | lol | 17:50 |
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| * mdbooth isn't familiar with project requirements in openstack, unfortunately | 17:52 | |
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| arnaud__ | I will ping openstack-qa to see if they are familiar with that | 17:53 |
| tjones | arnaud__: did you talk with dhellmann ? | 17:53 |
| arnaud__ | yep | 17:53 |
| arnaud__ | he is suggesting to add retrying to requirements of icehouse | 17:53 |
| arnaud__ | but that would mean repackaging for operators | 17:53 |
| tjones | sdague may have an idea | 17:54 |
| arnaud__ | also, that would not fix the issue on the long run from pov | 17:54 |
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| arnaud__ | anyway, I will let you know if I find a solution | 17:55 |
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| tjones | ok 5 more minutes - anyone have other stuff? | 17:56 |
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| mdbooth | My changes to qgerrit just got merged upstream | 17:57 |
| mdbooth | So if you pull that you can generate those dep tree views | 17:57 |
| tjones | mdbooth: cool! | 17:57 |
| tjones | please review oslo.vmware https://review.openstack.org/70175 | 17:57 |
| tjones | and the other refactor patches starting with https://review.openstack.org/106794 | 17:58 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 17:58:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-16-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-16-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-16-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 19:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | weekly swift team meeting time. thanks for coming. who's here? | 19:00 |
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| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
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| acoles | hi | 19:01 |
| peluse_ | I'm sorta here (in another meeting but can pay attention) | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:01 |
| Tyger | I'm lurking | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | agenda for today ^ | 19:02 |
| * notmyname refreshes and sees nothing else | 19:02 | |
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| notmyname | ok, so not a ton to cover, but some good stuff I think | 19:02 |
| notmyname | first up: in-person meeting | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic in-person meetup | 19:03 |
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| peluse_ | somewhere cool | 19:03 |
| notmyname | peluse_: so you're saying no AZ? | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | we've had 2 community-wide in-person meetups. one in austin and one in denver | 19:03 |
| peluse_ | heh, pretty hot here now... well, I'm in your neck of the woods today but still hot back at home | 19:03 |
| notmyname | (denver-ish) | 19:03 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:04 |
| peluse_ | San Diego? | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so let's look to the fall to see what's reasonable | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | first, before figuring out the location (which is really up to who's paying for it ;-), let's talk dates | 19:04 |
| notmyname | the paris summit is the first week of november | 19:05 |
| notmyname | some of us, but not all, will be going. both for budgeting and for family reasons, we probably shouldn't have another big travel thing the week before | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | and after that gets really tricky with US thanksgiving and christmas plans that people have | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | agree | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | maybe Oct sometime | 19:06 |
| notmyname | which means that we should do it before november | 19:06 |
| peluse_ | :) | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | I suggest something like the first week of october or the last of september | 19:06 |
| * portante likes that | 19:06 | |
| peluse_ | personally would prefer early Oct | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | but late Sep works too | 19:07 |
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| peluse_ | actually Oct is much better (new quarter) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | peluse_: like the week of september 29? | 19:07 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 19:07 |
| notmyname | (big company budgeting) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | that would eg be the week of october 6 | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | yup | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | to both comments | 19:08 |
| acoles | end of FY for us ;) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: oct? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: or sept? | 19:08 |
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| acoles | oct. but don't worry about that | 19:08 |
| notmyname | so if it were the week of october 6, that gives 3 weeks at home, then paris | 19:08 |
| notmyname | kinda tight. we couldn't do it later | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | yeah, I'm OK with end of Sep too | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I think I'd prefer week of sept 29, and fall back to week of oct 6 if that doesn't work | 19:09 |
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| peluse_ | or wed Oct 1 | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | ya, 2nd half of that week is fine | 19:10 |
| notmyname | the other question is about how many days. austin was 3 days and denver was 4. what are your thoughts? | 19:10 |
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| mattoliverau | *cough* should have another in Jan/Feb around LCA in Oz *cough | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | lol | 19:11 |
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| tdasilva | i wasn't in austin, but 4 days in denver felt just about right | 19:11 |
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| portante | 4 days in denver seemed to work well | 19:11 |
| acoles | agree. 4 was good | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: if my LCA talk gets accepted, let's do a BoF there :-) | 19:12 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: done :) | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | anyone opposed to a 4 day meetup and would prefer something else? | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | elambert: just talking about an in-person meetup in the fall | 19:13 |
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| * elambert nods | 19:13 | |
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| notmyname | FWIW, I've had one offer for a sponsor that is in the US northeast, so that looks to be a more likely location now. I know that factors in to dates | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | ditt on 4 | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | ditto that is | 19:14 |
| notmyname | (and it makes it easier for acoles and team to attend!) | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | back east would be a nice change too | 19:14 |
| acoles | :) | 19:14 |
| elambert | notmyname: if that falls through we might be able to sponser | 19:14 |
| notmyname | who knows, maybe even gvernik could drop in from Haifa :-) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | elambert: thanks | 19:15 |
| gvernik | may be :) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok, so here's what I'm hearing: shoot for a 4-day meetup in the US northeast during the week of september 29. if that week doesn't work, fall back to the next week | 19:16 |
| peluse_ | cool | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | moving on then | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #topic logged user-agent string | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102401/ | 19:17 |
| notmyname | that patch proposes making the user agent string saner (IMO) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | but it changes existing log message values | 19:17 |
| notmyname | I know of no application that will be impacted, but I wanted to bring it up here | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | are there any applications that you know of that rely on specific bytes in the logged user-agent string for the storage node logs | 19:19 |
| notmyname | ? | 19:19 |
| peluse_ | I'm of the general opinion that if there's no good reason to change it then I wouldn't but not so passionate about that position that I'd argue this specific one | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: I actually have a toy application that does look at the user agent, and this patch makes my app simpler. :-) | 19:20 |
| creiht | peluse_: I hear that it is the biggest thing since policies! :) | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | ha! | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | lets do it then!! :) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | (seeing as not much has landed, it probably is!) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | anyone else feel more strongly that peluse_ on this patch that it's not broken so don't fix it? | 19:21 |
| * notmyname feels it's slightly scratched but not broken and it's a low-impact "fix" | 19:22 | |
| * peluse_ can buy into that | 19:22 | |
| notmyname | also clearly the most important patch we have since we've talked about it for so long ;-) | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 19:22 |
| peluse_ | slow news day I guess | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's MERGE IT! | 19:23 |
| Tyger | It's the most controversial patsh nobody cares about. I'm indifferent on it too and I wrote it. | 19:23 |
| peluse_ | heh | 19:23 |
| mattoliverau | Having network issues on my phone :( sorry for slow replies | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | ok, I approved it. if you hate it, you have about 2 hours to stop it before jenkins finishes | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #topic review reviews | 19:24 |
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| creiht | that's a bit optimistic | 19:24 |
| * notmyname thinks himself clever | 19:24 | |
| notmyname | creiht: :-) | 19:24 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, let's highlight a few of these | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | first up, meta-wise, this hasn't changed much since last week. which is kinda bad since not much has actually merged. review more! | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | acoles: anything blocking the keystone v3 stuff aside from needing a final reviewer? | 19:25 |
| acoles | i have one +2 on the client patch | 19:25 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91788/ thanks cschwede | 19:26 |
| acoles | and i don't think much has happened on the ACL side since clayg took a look | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | can we get a volunteer to review the client one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91788/ | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | creiht: torgomatic: portante: :-) ? | 19:27 |
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| portante | okay, I'll volunteer | 19:28 |
| * torgomatic has no keystone | 19:28 | |
| notmyname | portante: thanks! | 19:28 |
| peluse_ | wrt other reviews, I'd like to see the current rev of the EC user docs land on feature/ec sooner than later so others can contribute in smaller separate patches | 19:28 |
| notmyname | peluse_: link | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ? | 19:28 |
| acoles | portante: thanks | 19:28 |
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| peluse_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104713/ | 19:28 |
| notmyname | peluse_: I'll take that | 19:29 |
| peluse_ | gracias | 19:29 |
| notmyname | I'll also take the final review on the eventlet case-changing behavior https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93780/ | 19:30 |
| acoles | peluse_: i'll try to take a look tomorrow | 19:30 |
| notmyname | creiht: but you're more of an eventlet expert than me, so I'd love your view, if you have the time | 19:30 |
| peluse_ | acoles: thanks. note the EC spec is in swift-specs for review as well (but of course still under construction as well) | 19:30 |
| acoles | peluse_: yes, seen that | 19:30 |
| peluse_ | EC spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106103/ (other link was user docs) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | ya, -specs. we gotta come back to that topic in a moment | 19:30 |
| peluse_ | K | 19:31 |
| notmyname | can anyone take the final review on the list-endpoints middleware? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101665/ | 19:31 |
| notmyname | acoles: ^? | 19:31 |
| tdasilva | peluse_: how are patches landing in feature/ec in regards to reviewers? is it as strict as master? | 19:31 |
| peluse_ | same process, yes | 19:32 |
| acoles | notmyname: ok, tomorrow | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: not quite as strict, but still should be working code | 19:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | ok, I wanted to bring up one other patch | 19:32 |
| notmyname | gvernik's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90066/ | 19:32 |
| tdasilva | peluse_: ok, was just wondering in terms of the documentation..i guess it should definetely not take too long to land and be more of a WIP | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: right | 19:33 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: and to expand on that (and level set) the 'not quite as strict' means that we can build things up in multiple patches easier - still needs solid test code, reviews, etc, agreed? | 19:33 |
| notmyname | peluse_: 100% agreed | 19:33 |
| peluse_ | tdasilva: yeah, wanted the docs to land often so we don't have one long patch like with pokicies. easier to manage and get more people to contribute | 19:33 |
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| tdasilva | peluse_: agreed | 19:34 |
| notmyname | so for the account cache patch from gvernik | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | I'm a little concerned by it, but I haven't fully looked at it yet | 19:34 |
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| * peluse_ hasn't reviewed it... | 19:35 | |
| gvernik | notmyname: what is the concern with it? | 19:35 |
| notmyname | when I glanced at it this morning, it looks liek the question is if it's fixing something that's broken or something that is behaving as intended | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: so I'm certainly not against it yet, but I have a concern. I haven't reviewed it yet | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | so I don't have a particular question about it, I think. just wanted to bring some attention to it | 19:36 |
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| tdasilva | haven't reviewed it, but it seems like the behavior described on the commit message is definetely broken | 19:36 |
| notmyname | I'd especially like the view of those runnign big clusters on it. ie the impact of cache-invalidation | 19:36 |
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| gvernik | the problem was that it possible to create many containers and bypass the max container per account...this is how i found this | 19:37 |
| notmyname | yes, and I'm not sure that's actually broken. ie soft limits, like with quotas, not hard limits that require strong consistency | 19:37 |
| notmyname | s/quotas/our implementation of quotas/ | 19:38 |
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| peluse_ | interesting... | 19:38 |
| gvernik | i see the point | 19:38 |
| notmyname | gvernik: yes, so eg you can only do that for 30 seconds or until the cached value times out. so ya you can go over, just not for ever | 19:38 |
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| peluse_ | "eventual limitations" | 19:39 |
| notmyname | that's my concern, and that should be addressed in reviews, not necessarily here. but since it already has 1 +2, I wanted to bring it up | 19:39 |
| notmyname | gvernik: I just left a quick -1 note on it | 19:40 |
| notmyname | gvernik: and all that ^^ is the context ;-) | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:41 |
| notmyname | I think that's all I wanted to cover for patches (reviewing reviews) | 19:41 |
| notmyname | now, let's talk specs | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift-specs | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | so we've had a few proposed | 19:42 |
| notmyname | and none merged | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | and they're kinda just sitting there | 19:42 |
| notmyname | which seems the worst of both worlds | 19:42 |
| peluse_ | wrt the spec is the expectation that its complete before it gets merged? | 19:42 |
| notmyname | so the other day I was talking with torgomatic over lunch and he had IMo a pretty good idea: land them fast, but keep a one-line "status" at the top. something indicating if they are done or not | 19:43 |
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| peluse_ | yup, that what I did in the EC spec - big WIP at the top | 19:43 |
| notmyname | peluse_: ya. seems people want it to be done before looking at it, but it can't get there until people look at it | 19:43 |
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| peluse_ | yup | 19:43 |
| notmyname | and the historic connotation of WIP in gerrit is negative (ie not worth my time to review) people don't look at it | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | so, what do you think? | 19:43 |
| peluse_ | I think merge w/status for the same reason as the EC user doc should land - avoid one really long patch chain | 19:44 |
| peluse_ | and those working on the thing in question should be looking at it regarldess of WIP or not | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | how can we differentiate between "this is a spec we think is a good idea" vs "this is a spec of something describing the way it should be or was actually done" | 19:44 |
| notmyname | peluse_: yes, exactly | 19:44 |
| peluse_ | status comment at the top of the doc | 19:44 |
| notmyname | peluse_: my point is how do we track that without the specific phrase "work in progress" since that carries baggage | 19:45 |
| peluse_ | yeah, we can use a different phrase | 19:45 |
| notmyname | ok, proposal: at the top of a doc: "status: XXX" where XXX is one of ... well that's kinda the question :-) | 19:46 |
| peluse_ | so not use the gerrit WIP, just merge and have the top of the doc explain what stage its in | 19:46 |
| creiht | notmyname: maybe you should start a spec | 19:46 |
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| creiht | :) | 19:46 |
| peluse_ | yeah | 19:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: can we have an 'approved' directory and move spec to a 'done' directory when code lands? | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | /slap creiht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Whacking_with_a_wet_trout) | 19:47 |
| peluse_ | acoles: i like that | 19:47 |
| creiht | I kind of prefer that specs only land when they are approved | 19:47 |
| creiht | there shouldn't be a WIP | 19:47 |
| notmyname | acoles: I like that | 19:47 |
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| creiht | it should be submitted | 19:47 |
| creiht | people discuss | 19:47 |
| notmyname | creiht: what about different "approved" and not folders? | 19:47 |
| creiht | gets refined and try again | 19:47 |
| peluse_ | creiht: but then we can use gerrit to collaborate on the construction of the spec right? | 19:47 |
| creiht | peluse_: right | 19:47 |
| notmyname | creiht: makes sense, but we've got 4 now that have been sitting around for weeks and mattoliverau is the only one to do anything on them | 19:48 |
| creiht | I just don't want to get overcomplicated, and suddenly we have jira implemented as a group of text files in a git repo :) | 19:48 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau! | 19:48 |
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| peluse_ | I kidna like having the spec under version control during construction, think there's some benefit there. the separeaet dirs would make it super clear though don't you think? | 19:48 |
| peluse_ | crc32: :) | 19:48 |
| peluse_ | typo, sorry | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | creiht: right. I think that's a valid concern. -specs are for devs, so let's not try to make it some big project management tool | 19:49 |
| creiht | gotta run sorry | 19:49 |
| notmyname | creiht: so the question to you is, what would make it easier for you to review? | 19:49 |
| creiht | heh | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | really, to everyone | 19:49 |
| mattoliverau | Happy to do it, I find them interesting and exciting pieces of work :) | 19:49 |
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| creiht | well I've just been a bit busy | 19:50 |
| creiht | ;) | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | what's needed to make them something useful to the devs? | 19:50 |
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| creiht | notmyname: I think it is too early to try to make change | 19:50 |
| creiht | s | 19:50 |
| creiht | it will take time for everyone to adapt | 19:50 |
| creiht | so give it a bit longer | 19:50 |
| notmyname | :-) ok | 19:50 |
| creiht | and continue to remind others :) | 19:50 |
| creiht | that's at least my opinions | 19:50 |
| creiht | really got to go now :) | 19:51 |
| acoles | so are we agreed that approving/landing a spec means 'now go ahead and write the code' not ' the code is all done'? | 19:51 |
| notmyname | hay, everyone, go review specs! that's why I put it at the top of the review dashboard! ;-) | 19:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes, IMo that's absolutely true. -specs are for _limited_ up front design. not for code docs | 19:51 |
| peluse_ | totally | 19:52 |
| peluse_ | its a tool to organize our thoughts and collaborate on design | 19:52 |
| notmyname | launchpad is for project managers. docs are for users. specs are to get something done as devs | 19:52 |
| notmyname | peluse_: ya, well said | 19:52 |
| acoles | and the only problem is if -specs appear to be like documentation of what _has_ been done | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | I don't think we're there yet | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | so are we agreed that we should keep on for now and not try to fix something we haven't even fully tested yet? | 19:54 |
| notmyname | or do we need to make changes? | 19:54 |
| tdasilva | still unclear to me when specs would actually land...just before coding starts? or while coding is ongoing but we have a good enough idea of what the design looks like?? | 19:54 |
| peluse_ | well, the EC spec for one isn't done and its proposed.... | 19:55 |
| peluse_ | so it either continues as a long WIP chain or we land it with something in the doc, like it is now, that describes its state | 19:55 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: both, IMO. and they could be updated while the code is being written | 19:55 |
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| peluse_ | and its supporting code development as we speak :) | 19:56 |
| acoles | tdasilva: my take was that they can run in parallel, but if your spec is approvedyou have more right to expect code reviews. | 19:56 |
| tdasilva | ok...because in the EC case, coding is already on-going but I assume the design might still be a bit "fluid" | 19:56 |
| peluse_ | for sure! | 19:56 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:56 |
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| peluse_ | so personally I'd like to see it land so others can contribute commits/content without always pushing on my patch... | 19:57 |
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| * peluse_ thinks he's probably said that enough already though :) | 19:57 | |
| mattoliverau | I agree, there is nothing stopping development in WIP. | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | so I think we all agree we don't really know what it looks like and we're still figuring it out. basically, "whatever works"? | 19:58 |
| tdasilva | sounds good to me... | 19:58 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah | 19:58 |
| notmyname | and in the short term, go review existing proposed specs and let's see what happens | 19:58 |
| notmyname | sound good? | 19:58 |
| tdasilva | yep | 19:58 |
| notmyname | acoles: peluse_: sound good to you? | 19:59 |
| acoles | yeah | 19:59 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ? | 19:59 |
| torgomatic | sure | 19:59 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:59 |
| notmyname | oh, and wow. we got right up to the time | 19:59 |
| peluse_ | yup | 19:59 |
| notmyname | what a fun meeting :-) | 19:59 |
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| mattoliverau | Nice work everyone! | 20:00 |
| peluse_ | cool, thanks! | 20:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 20:00:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-16-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-16-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-16-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 20:01:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | still accepting volunteers to chair, btw | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:02 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:02 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:02 |
| iqbalmohomed | Hello | 20:02 |
| andrearosa_home | hey | 20:02 |
| skraynev | o// | 20:02 |
| vijendar | hi | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | here, but completely out of touch | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | shardy, jasond and randallburt to discuss pluggability of WaitCondition implementations | 20:03 |
| zaneb | we had a discussion on the mailing list | 20:03 |
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| ryansb | here | 20:04 |
| zaneb | I don't know that it resulted in any conclusion | 20:04 |
| jasond | unfortunately randallburt is out | 20:04 |
| shardy | zaneb: my understanding was that for now jasond and I would align the properties and we'd possibly do the pluggable transports thing later | 20:04 |
| jasond | +1 | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | ok | 20:04 |
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| shardy | given that there wasn't clear consensus over the deployer choosing one implementation in all situations | 20:04 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-07-16_2000_UTC.29 | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | anybody got something to add to the agenda? | 20:05 |
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| skraynev | may be problem with constraint validation :) | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | :( | 20:06 |
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| skraynev | or I may ask it later | 20:06 |
| bgorski | o/ | 20:06 |
| zaneb | #topic Juno-2 release | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | the J-2 milestone is next week | 20:07 |
| zaneb | unfortunately I am away from tomorrow until Tuesday | 20:07 |
| zaneb | so I need a volunteer that russellb can pester about it | 20:07 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:07 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'm happy to do it, unless anyone else is keen | 20:07 |
| zaneb | the process is a lot simpler than it used to be | 20:07 |
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| russellb | the task is to make sure the juno-2 roadmap in launchpad is beated down until everything that's left is implemented | 20:08 |
| zaneb | russellb: shardy can be your victim :) | 20:08 |
| russellb | excellent | 20:08 |
| zaneb | I'll try to get online at some point | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | russellb: are you ttx? | 20:08 |
| russellb | for juno-2, yes | 20:08 |
| zaneb | but I'll be travelling on Tuesday, so availability is uncertain | 20:08 |
| zaneb | afaik there is nothing urgent, anyway | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | stuff either makes it or it doesn't | 20:09 |
| zaneb | which brings me to... | 20:09 |
| russellb | ok | 20:09 |
| russellb | would like to aim for tuesday then | 20:09 |
| zaneb | #topic Juno-2 blueprints | 20:09 |
| russellb | and tag then unless there's something you really want to wait for | 20:09 |
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| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-2 | 20:09 |
| zaneb | damn, too slow | 20:10 |
| shardy | ;D | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | if you have a blueprint on this list, please update its status | 20:10 |
| zaneb | I updated randallburt's for him yesterday | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | I'm bumping mine to j-3 right now :/ | 20:11 |
| zaneb | we also have three High priority bugs not assigned | 20:11 |
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| shardy | Anyone know how to run the docs job for contrib resources locally? | 20:12 |
| zaneb | bug #1299259 FloatingIP needs a hidden dependency on Routers | 20:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1299259 in heat "FloatingIP needs a hidden dependency on Routers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299259 | 20:12 |
| shardy | I need to fix that for my Ironic plugins... | 20:12 |
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| ryansb | shardy: I don't, but if you'd like to teach me I can write it up | 20:12 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: any interest in grabbing that one? | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: sure | 20:12 |
| zaneb | sold | 20:13 |
| shardy | ryansb: thanks, I'll trawl the logs and work out how to do it ;) | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | thanks stevebaker | 20:13 |
| zaneb | bug #1302578 Required credentials are missing when heat-engine calls heatclient operations | 20:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1302578 in heat "Required credentials are missing when heat-engine calls heatclient operations" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302578 | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | I'll add client-plugins to j-2 and give it a push for the rest of this week | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | ok | 20:14 |
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| shardy | We've not really made any progress on fixing abandon/adopt - anyone know if vijendar is working on any of the problems? | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | shardy: cd docs ; make clean html | 20:15 |
| vijendar | shardy: I have not started working on that | 20:15 |
| vijendar | shardy: I will start on that next week | 20:15 |
| zaneb | this one (#1302578) is auth + software config... I'll let stevebaker & shardy fight over it ;) | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | its his fault! | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | (haven't seen it yet) | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: and yet you commented on it extensively ;) | 20:16 |
| zaneb | bug #1301486 Stack update on "OS::Nova::Server" resource fails due instance port still in use | 20:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1301486 in heat "Stack update on "OS::Nova::Server" resource fails due instance port still in use" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301486 | 20:16 |
| zaneb | this is waiting on a fix in nova | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | oh, that | 20:16 |
| zaneb | so I will bump to j-3 | 20:16 |
| skraynev | zaneb: wait solution from nova | 20:17 |
| shardy | ugh, standalone mode :( | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I have an idea, should be reasonably easy | 20:17 |
| skraynev | zaneb: +1 for moving to j-3 | 20:17 |
| zaneb | shardy: is it really High priority then? | 20:17 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, cool, let me know if there's anything I can help with | 20:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: not IMO, no | 20:17 |
| shardy | (disclaimer, I've never used standalone mode..) | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ok, dropped to medium | 20:18 |
| zaneb | that solves that problem ;) | 20:18 |
| shardy | I'll propose a fix for the stack domain project abandon thing tomorrow | 20:18 |
| zaneb | if anyone has a blueprint they expect to get merged before Tuesday and it is *not* in the list, please let me know *today* after the meeting | 20:19 |
| shardy | but that doesn't fix the adopt part of it ref bug #1301314 | 20:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1301314 in heat "Abandon/adopt don't consider project" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301314 | 20:19 |
| shardy | zaneb: The native waitcondition series, if we manage to get the rest of the reviews done | 20:19 |
| shardy | I guess I'll move it back if the reviews happen in time | 20:20 |
| zaneb | shardy: ok, I'll let you target it and give it a priority | 20:20 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Ok, thanks | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | #topic Gap analysis | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gap analysis (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:21 | |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-gap-analysis | 20:21 |
| zaneb | the TC did the gap analysis yesterday | 20:21 |
| zaneb | results here: | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-07-15-20.03.html | 20:22 |
| zaneb | overall, we are in excellent shape | 20:22 |
| zaneb | tl;dr "more tests" | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | some of which are already in progress | 20:23 |
| shardy | zaneb: easy to say but the experience of actually getting stuff into tempest is not good :( | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | I made that point in the etherpad | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | we should keep an eye on efforts to allow our tempest tests to live in the heat tree | 20:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1000 | 20:24 |
| zaneb | apparently there was a ML thread about maybe moving the tests out into individual projects in the medium term | 20:24 |
| zaneb | I would support that | 20:24 |
| shardy | IMO that makes far more sense, at least then we'd have some control over the review wait | 20:24 |
| jpeeler | yes, good stuff | 20:25 |
| zaneb | yep, but I don't think that is going to happen in the short term | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | having tests closer to the code would probably lead to more contributions too | 20:25 |
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| shardy | e.g we've just been bitten my a volume attachment regression for a second time because it's taken 4 months to get my test not merged | 20:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 | 20:25 |
| zaneb | anyway, I have to create a plan for closing the gaps | 20:26 |
| zaneb | I'll certainly mention the issue there | 20:26 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: what about scenario tests? I see, that autoscaling test is still skipped :( | 20:26 |
| zaneb | #action zaneb create plan for issues identified in gap analysis | 20:26 |
| zaneb | there was also one minor housekeeping thing - add the mission statement to the governance repo | 20:26 |
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| zaneb | that should be a fun review | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: I have a change to unskip it, but I need to check how working it is currently https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44967/ | 20:28 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: ok, thx | 20:28 |
| zaneb | #topic Stevedore for resource plugins | 20:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stevedore for resource plugins (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:29 | |
| zaneb | asalkeld is not about so there's probably no point having this discussion today | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | I haven't read the ml thread since I replied | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | I was happy with the compromise where we used Stevedore Hooks instead of Extensions | 20:31 |
| zaneb | but it's not clear that we reached a consensus on that | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | is there a patch? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | there was before the discussion already, and it has not (yet) changed as a result | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103044/ | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | last comment was "Zane, you must have a really sucky editor if this is hard:-O" | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | oddly enough it was him who convinced me to switch to vim | 20:34 |
| shardy | lol | 20:34 |
| zaneb | I never did learn anything about vim plugins though | 20:34 |
| zaneb | the packaging was too hard to figure out... | 20:34 |
| zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical issues sync (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:34 | |
| zaneb | who has critical issues? | 20:35 |
| skraynev | may I ? | 20:35 |
| zaneb | you may :) | 20:35 |
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| skraynev | we already have patch about related problem with validation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93080 , when one resource has dependence from other one which is not created too | 20:36 |
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| skraynev | this fix works only for basic constraints. If I try to use custom constraint it raises error StackValidationFailed: Property error : port1: network Error validating value u'None': Unable to find network with name 'None' | 20:37 |
| zaneb | imo we really need to split validation that can be done statically out from validation that can only be done at create time | 20:38 |
| zaneb | and give them different names | 20:38 |
| zaneb | it's incredibly confusing atm | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | we need to do something. Its silly that we're validating things which are not there | 20:38 |
| zaneb | and this was a mistake we've been making continuously for 2 years already | 20:38 |
| skraynev | so it should be two different validations (before creating and during creating), right? | 20:40 |
| zaneb | yes | 20:40 |
| zaneb | validate_structure and validate_data, or something | 20:41 |
| skraynev | should current fix be rejected? | 20:41 |
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| skraynev | and should be created BP for this or will be enough bug? | 20:42 |
| zaneb | I don't think the fix should be rejected | 20:42 |
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| zaneb | a bp would be nice; I'd say no spec required at this stage though | 20:42 |
| shardy | zaneb: so we're not mandating specs for all new features then? | 20:43 |
| * shardy wasn't sure | 20:43 | |
| skraynev | ok, and what about custom constraints ? | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | think of specs as replacing the link to the wiki in the old system | 20:44 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, thanks | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | they don't replace blueprints, they're there for when you need more info than fits in launchpad comfortably | 20:44 |
| skraynev | should fix for them be add in existing patch or we create one more? | 20:44 |
| zaneb | or when it needs sider discussion | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: if we create a spec, do we still create the bp in lp? | 20:45 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, cool, I just wasn't sure if they were now a neccary precursor to a BP | 20:45 |
| shardy | good to know they're not for simple BP's :) | 20:45 |
| shardy | necessary even | 20:45 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: yes | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | there was a plan at one point to create the bps in launchpad from the specs using a script | 20:45 |
| zaneb | but that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | in any event, every approved spec will need a blueprint | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | so just create one | 20:46 |
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| andrearosa_home | please put as much information as you can in the BP, even if it's simple for newcomers is a good starting point for understanding the context | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: in the same patch or same series is fine. | 20:47 |
| skraynev | zaneb: got it, thx :) | 20:47 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I'm surprised custom constraints are failing though, given that validate_constraints() is not being called at all | 20:47 |
| * zaneb shrugs | 20:48 | |
| zaneb | #topic open discussion | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:48 | |
| zaneb | anything else before we wrap up? | 20:48 |
| zaneb | tumbleweeds | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:50 |
| skraynev | zaneb: I am not sure, that it so clear. Just got this error, when was testing fix. need more digging to understand root of problem | 20:50 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:50 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 20:50:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-16-20.01.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-16-20.01.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-16-20.01.log.html | 20:50 |
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