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| HenryG | Hi jlibosva salv-orlando akamyshnikova | 12:59 |
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| akamyshnikova | hi! | 12:59 |
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| HenryG | Since Mark is on vacation mestery might want to lurk | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 13:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | I have no specific agenda for today, so we will do status and then open discussion. | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #topic Status | 13:02 |
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| jlibosva | hi | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | At the mid-cycle sprint Mark McClain agreed that the frozen models module was ugly but probably the least complicated | 13:03 |
| HenryG | So we are proceeding with that. | 13:03 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: a quick update on what is left there? | 13:04 |
| jlibosva | I'm rebasing right now and addressing comments from 17th and 15th patchset. I'll send new patchset soon | 13:04 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: Great, thanks! | 13:04 |
| HenryG | Are we confident that it is ready to merge with that patch set? | 13:05 |
| akamyshnikova | after testing will last one, I think yes :) | 13:05 |
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| akamyshnikova | *after testing with last one | 13:06 |
| jlibosva | yes, I made some changes like removed comments and docstrings per salv-orlando's comments | 13:06 |
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| salv-orlando | hi people | 13:07 |
| HenryG | Yes, I think so too. Great work! It was very tedious to check it for review, so I can image how boring it must have been to do. | 13:07 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: yeah minor stuff. I am doing reviews today. Will soon give another crack at theam. | 13:07 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain is also helping us with reviews. We should be able to merge soon. | 13:07 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: awesome, thanks. I'll send a new patchset soon | 13:07 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: markmcclain is on a beach somewhere this week. Not sure how much reviewing he will do. | 13:08 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: I will pick him up for any beach wehre he could possibly be and force him to de reviews astt gun point | 13:09 |
| HenryG | Thanks salv-orlando :) | 13:10 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: the healing migration looks ready (after rebasing on jlibosva's model freeze update), right? | 13:10 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yes I think so, I tested it with test from oslo.db and manually with different core and service plugins | 13:12 |
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| salv-orlando | I did some tests too and was happy with them as well. | 13:12 |
| akamyshnikova | but of course I look forward any comments or suggestions :) | 13:13 |
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| HenryG | Great stuff everyone. I hope we can merge soon. | 13:14 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yes I think so :) now everything depends on reviewers :) | 13:15 |
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| HenryG | We are holding up all reviews that do model updates, so we should give this our priority to get it merged. | 13:15 |
| HenryG | Anything else on the status of freezing and healing? | 13:17 |
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| * HenryG notes that Jenkins approved the latest healing migration patch set :) | 13:18 | |
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| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:18 |
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| HenryG | I have rebased https://review.openstack.org/40296 on the healing and it passes Jenkins too. | 13:19 |
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| HenryG | Another item to do after healing is move all models to a common directory. | 13:20 |
| jlibosva | Are we going to remove should_run() from mako file? | 13:21 |
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| jlibosva | and other conditional migrations stuff | 13:22 |
| akamyshnikova | I'm concentrating on testing that shows sync models with db content. In fact it is almost done. | 13:22 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: for that I would just like to hear akamyshnikova where we still have divergence between models and migrations | 13:22 |
| salv-orlando | yeah pretty much what Anna just said | 13:22 |
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| * salv-orlando finds your first name much easier to type than your nick! | 13:23 | |
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| * HenryG thinks salv-orlando should get an IRC client that completes nicks with <tab> | 13:24 | |
| akamyshnikova | in fact there is one change on review https://review.openstack.org/104465 but it can be fixed with heal migration | 13:24 |
| akamyshnikova | in models everything seems to be fine | 13:25 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: great | 13:25 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: writing “Anna” is still faster than doing aka -> tab ;) | 13:26 |
| akamyshnikova | :) | 13:27 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: :) | 13:28 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Any update on https://review.openstack.org/101963 ? | 13:28 |
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| HenryG | I believe akamyshnikova has volunteered to work on it? | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: yes, I’ve been reviewing mostly other people specs in the past few days. Had little time to look at mines | 13:29 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yes | 13:29 |
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| HenryG | It's just that I see the spec is not approved yet, and it would be good to get into Juno. | 13:30 |
| salv-orlando | Henry | 13:30 |
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| HenryG | That's me | 13:31 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: I’m already lobbying wiht other cores to see if there is space for it. It’s going to be tight because there are a lot specs to review | 13:31 |
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| salv-orlando | acceptance rate is going to be very low (less than 20% I think) | 13:31 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Understood. I guess if it misses Juno then people will have to live with 100's of migrations for a while longer. | 13:32 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: 100s of migrations is something I’m little bothered with. What I want to remove is the logic for making migrations configuration specific. | 13:33 |
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| HenryG | That is rather important, yes. | 13:35 |
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| HenryG | Hopefully the additional load of that spec + the coding is low on the cores. | 13:36 |
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| HenryG | Anything else? | 13:39 |
| salv-orlando | not from me | 13:40 |
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| HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 13:40 |
| akamyshnikova | thanks! bye! | 13:40 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 13:40:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-14-13.01.html | 13:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-14-13.01.txt | 13:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-14-13.01.log.html | 13:40 |
| jlibosva | bye :) | 13:40 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 16:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| akuznetsova_ | hello) | 16:00 |
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| enykeev | Hey | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi Kirill | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | let me ask you something | 16:01 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | I'm kind of confused what is considered your nick name here? "xazel" or "enykeev"? :) | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi Winson | 16:01 |
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| enykeev | I'd say both, but enykeev is main one and the one registered | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok ) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review AIs | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov, communicate to akuznetsova on devstack gate job configuration problem | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | done | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov plans is to finish with the overall engine structure (taking the new requirements into account like multiple workflows, workflow/action polymorphism, cross references etc.) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | this is not done, I'd say it's probably only 50% | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | honestly, I got stuck with some design tasks in the middle of the last week | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | on Friday I was able to move forward significantly though | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | nothing committed yet, I'll start committing my changes tomorrow | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | today I had a day off | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | so I'll continue to work on this AI | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | 3. xazel, try to finish up with engine-executor protocol | 16:06 |
| enykeev | Since it has two +2, I believe I have finished it =) Although, there might be a problem with premature db session flush, but I'm going to fix it in a next path. | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | db session flush? | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | could you digg into that quickly? | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | if possible | 16:07 |
| enykeev | I spent about four hours today and I plan to finish with it tomorrow | 16:07 |
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| dzimine | hi all sorry to be late... | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'm probably the best person to talk about db things, flushes and transactions | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | let's discuss it tomorrow | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | no problem | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | 4. akuznetsova, cover all client methods and figure out how to configure gate job | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, how is that work going? | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova_ | i almost implement this blueprint mistral-mistralclient-integration-tests, only one thing left to do is to make one more commit to openstack-infra to turn on gate for client repository | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | I saw that you sent 3-4 patches but since I was off today didn't review them yet, sorry | 16:10 |
| akuznetsova_ | all my commits on review, so, please take a look its | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, great | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | so from your perspective this AI is finished, right? | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov: yes | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | let's move forward | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (quickly by team members) | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | I have already told about my status | 16:11 |
| akuznetsova_ | my plan is to finish with mistralclient tests and gate job and rakhmerov probable we will need to discuss what is next | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I had a long useful discussion with Dmitri on Friday and I think I was able to figure out the overall picture of how engine should work. However, I'm still struggling with details | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:13 |
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| enykeev | I'm planning to finish up with the bugs I have uncovered while working on the protocol. I also have some ideas on the next steps for the protocol, but I would need to think about that a bit more. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev I believe has also told the most essential things | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev, sure | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Further plans | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, mostly we've already covered our further plans | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | anything else to add on that? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | any roadblocks, needs in additional information? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | one important note (mostly for Dmitri and Kirill): guys please also take a look at Nastya's commits on testing | 16:19 |
| dzimine | ack | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:19 |
| enykeev | sure | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to make sure we're heading in the right direction with our testing approach | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | other than that looks like I don't have anything from my side | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, I'm hoping to get one more contributor this week ) | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | and Nikolay will join us pretty soon, on 26th | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | anything from your side guys? | 16:22 |
| akuznetsova_ | not from my side | 16:22 |
| enykeev | nope | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
| dzimine | no | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | alright, it was incredibly quick today ) | 16:22 |
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| dzimine | rakhmerov it is all in your capable hands now :) | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I know | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll do my best | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | I just realized I'm trying to solve a little bit more complex task than I thought before | 16:23 |
| dzimine | we’ll eat the elephant spoon by spoon :) | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | but that's ok, even more interesting | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, exactly | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | everyone have a good and productive week | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | bye, thanks for joining | 16:25 |
| m4dcoder | thanks. bye. | 16:25 |
| enykeev | thanks | 16:25 |
| akuznetsova_ | bye | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 16:25:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-14-16.00.html | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-14-16.00.txt | 16:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-14-16.00.log.html | 16:25 |
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| sarob | , | 16:57 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 17:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
| sarob | Roll | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 17:00 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite won't be joining us | 17:00 |
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| sarob | Hello all | 17:00 |
| dguitarbite | im here | 17:00 |
| sarob | Oh, hi there | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | Mumbai traffic has improved a lot | 17:01 |
| sarob | #topic stable update | 17:01 |
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| sarob | Excellent | 17:01 |
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| dguitarbite | we are working on basic install guide | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/basic-install-guide-rough-draft | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | rough notes are on the Etherpad link | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | to meet the Juno2 deadline, we will be copying the docs install guide content and slowly start re-using them | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | from install guide | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi guys | 17:02 |
| sarob | Hello | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Copy, eh | 17:03 |
| sarob | Are you sure that is wise? | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | to meet the dead line | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | and I had some time to think about this | 17:03 |
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| sarob | How will you back reference the original? | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | and it would be better for us and docs team to have our content to refer to | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | exact copy of the install guides content | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | and break it down as required, then push the changesto docs | 17:04 |
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| sarob | This is the still that is out of circulation? | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | and fix the url | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | *fix the urls and use xi:include | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | circulation? | 17:05 |
| sarob | This material is not currently published? | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | nope | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | it is not currently published | 17:05 |
| sarob | Okay then I'm good | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | to be more precise, install guides have lot of content | 17:05 |
| sarob | Sound like a good step | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | which should not be included for basic install guide | 17:05 |
| sarob | Understood | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | thanks, Roger, Matjazp any comments? | 17:06 |
| sarob | What else you got for us? | 17:06 |
| rluethi | not for that part. | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | hmmm.. not too happy about copying.. but I guess it could work | 17:06 |
| rluethi | I looked into creating PDFs from landslide presentations. | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: we will slowly transition into re-using the copied docs content | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | its too much work in multiple direction to try and attempt it at once | 17:07 |
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| dguitarbite | slowly transition == about a month | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: sorry, continue | 17:08 |
| sarob | Spec bp on this? | 17:08 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: without using princexml (proprietary). | 17:08 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: will that have effect on translation infra? | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: did you find anything? I looked a bit around too.. | 17:09 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I think I may have a solution. I tested it with the initial import that is | 17:09 |
| rluethi | matjazp: still under review (?). | 17:09 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: it should not, openstack bot will automatically fix the translation file *.pot file if I am correct | 17:10 |
| rluethi | matjazp: there is an alternative which seems to work. | 17:10 |
| sarob | Rluethi which review | 17:10 |
| rluethi | sarob: "initial import of training slides" or something. don't have an url handy. | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: sounds good, I guess you need to push a spec patch and start pushing more patches on it | 17:10 |
| matjazp | sarob: the one you'll clean up ;) | 17:10 |
| sarob | Rluethi ah right | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | what exactly do you use for converting it to PDF format? | 17:11 |
| rluethi | sarob: this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ | 17:11 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: epicslide and dependencies. | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: yes, but it will create a lot of duplicate translation strings... copied content== duplicate translations strings? | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | initially yes, but we will push the changes in the original location and delete the duplicate files | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | otherwise we will take a few months for the same work | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | as we need to convince install guide guys for each patch, instead just show the existing content | 17:13 |
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| dguitarbite | for smoother and faster transition | 17:13 |
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| sarob | Is this going to create a lot more work than just creating PDFs? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: well.. sure, lets try that way... | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: epicslide? you have link? | 17:15 |
| rluethi | matjazp: https://github.com/netantho/epicslide | 17:16 |
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| sarob | Will we need to start supporting it or is it stable? | 17:17 |
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| sarob | Last activity was a year ago? | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | also its a fork of landslide | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | can we not reuse landslide or port the pdf features as per our requirements? | 17:18 |
| rluethi | sarob: if you are talking about landslide, I was thinking the same. but it seemed to work, which is a plus. | 17:18 |
| sarob | Okay, just asking | 17:19 |
| sarob | Any other stable news? | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | thats it for today | 17:19 |
| matjazp | sarob: maybe could we get PrinceXML license from OpneStack Foundation? Like for Oxygen? | 17:19 |
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| sarob | #action sarob rluethi epic slide port as option for dev reed materials | 17:20 |
| sarob | Matjazp worth a look | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I'm not keen on adding more dependencies on proprietary software. we can't hand it out to everybody who wants to help or test. | 17:21 |
| reed | sarob, I looked at xml briefly, I can't make myself like it, sorry... | 17:21 |
| sarob | #action sarob princexml licensing to foundation option | 17:21 |
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| reed | the more I look at the issue, the more I find it depressing | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: can we not take the pdf feature n push it to landsilde? | 17:21 |
| matjazp | rluethi: yes, I agree - but it's also a mora pragmatic approach ... PDFs will be available for free from our site | 17:21 |
| sarob | Reed understood we are working on supporting the rst | 17:21 |
| reed | sarob, rst is only slightly less depressing :) | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | reed: whats the exact issue? | 17:22 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: not sure, I haven't looked at the code yet. | 17:22 |
| sarob | Reed rst is at least what everyone knows | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: lets attempt feature addition to landslide | 17:22 |
| reed | dguitarbite, only WYSIWYG for anything involving graphic is not depressing | 17:22 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: go ahead, be my guest :) | 17:22 |
| sarob | Rluethi good point | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: definatly | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | but only after Junno2 | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | s/Junno2/Juno2 | 17:23 |
| reed | I have some little hopes for webodf | 17:23 |
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| sarob | Reed well we need it to work today | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | reed: ok, oxygen may be your friend for WYSIWYG | 17:24 |
| reed | sarob, indeed | 17:24 |
| reed | sarob, I also need to pull in Vince from IBM in this (will email you later) | 17:24 |
| sarob | Any other stable news? Or move on? | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | move on | 17:25 |
| sarob | Reed roger | 17:25 |
| sarob | #topic infra update | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | roger can you update about our chat on friday | 17:25 |
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| sarob | Updates on tests or something else? | 17:26 |
| rluethi | we talked about scripts development, ,mostly short term | 17:26 |
| sarob | Ah | 17:26 |
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| rluethi | it's documented on etherpad | 17:26 |
| rluethi | plans for script directories and config directories. | 17:26 |
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| sarob | Linked anywhere else? | 17:26 |
| sarob | Off wiki? | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | also we are planning to add some tests etc. | 17:26 |
| rluethi | probably only on the wiki | 17:27 |
| rluethi | it's work in progress | 17:27 |
| sarob | That's good enuf | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: can you paste etherpad link | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | ? | 17:27 |
| sarob | We should get in the habit of either matching to a bug or bp for all work | 17:27 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I don't have it right now, but I can post it later. | 17:28 |
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| sarob | I can't track via launchpad otherwise | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: its initial planning stage, we are just evaluating various possibilities based on our observations | 17:28 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | we will push it once we are certain that our idea works/can be implemented | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | and is not too optimistic | 17:29 |
| sarob | Sounds good | 17:29 |
| sarob | Any ideas on new lang support? | 17:29 |
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| sarob | Ja and fr seem like easy wins | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | I dont have much on lang support | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi any ideas? | 17:30 |
| matjazp | sarob: what about fransthamura? | 17:30 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: there was a language patch by andreas jaeger, haven't looked at it yet. | 17:30 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: here's the #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-labs-scripts | 17:31 |
| matjazp | sarob: he could start with Indonesian (?) translations... | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: he said that its just temporary and it will transition to openstack-doc-tools | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | I am not 100% sure if it will work | 17:31 |
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| sarob | #action Fransthamura tasked with helping infra team on Indonesian lang support | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | but we need some expert in the given language which we are targeting for translation | 17:31 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: then I don't want to interfere, let's see how andreas' patch works out. | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:31 |
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| dguitarbite | I have no experience or leads when it comes to translation | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: do you have any particular time frame for translations? | 17:32 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I have some experience in Western European languages i18n/l10n, but it's been a while. | 17:32 |
| sarob | I'm targeting jm3 for first lang support | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | sarob | 17:33 |
| sarob | I'd | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | : ok | 17:33 |
| sarob | Rather you guys team up with the experts | 17:33 |
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| sarob | and feed them lang experts | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: it may be easier for you to check if the French translation is possible and sane enough to publish | 17:33 |
| sarob | Our plates are full already | 17:34 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: So is there one in the pipleline already? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: for me Juno3 will be to update basic-install-guides and other content for Juno | 17:34 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: haven't seen it. | 17:34 |
| matjazp | I'm still not sure, how will XML includes affect translation strings? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | it will be a bit difficult to work on translations esp. when Ill be moving countries soon | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I guess Tom Fifield will be a good person to ask for translation related queries | 17:35 |
| sarob | I think we need to reassess our bugs and bp this week | 17:35 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: ack | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I concur | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | also can we have a sprint next week | 17:36 |
| sarob | #action whole team take a look at bugs and bp for training | 17:36 |
| sarob | If something is missing or already fixed create/update | 17:36 |
| sarob | I should be locking down features this week for Juno release | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: there have been loads of changes in the structure etc. to make many bugs invalid. I guess we have put regressions in our bugs | 17:37 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite sprint sounds good if we can rally the troops | 17:38 |
| sarob | I will be at oscon so limited help from me | 17:38 |
| sarob | :( | 17:38 |
| sarob | Let's move on | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:38 |
| sarob | Unless something else? | 17:39 |
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| dguitarbite | move on | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Moving | 17:39 |
| sarob | #topic testing update | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Matjazp how | 17:40 |
| matjazp | unfortunately...nothing new this week... we were moving our Lab to our new building... | 17:40 |
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| sarob | Goes it? | 17:40 |
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| sarob | Okay, no | 17:40 |
| sarob | Orb | 17:40 |
| sarob | Prob | 17:40 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: hmm, it must be painful process | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: yes... we were offline for whole weekend... our private cloud and all other stuff from our lab | 17:41 |
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| sarob | #topic dev update | 17:41 |
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| sarob | I need work on the reed materials, still outstanding | 17:42 |
| matjazp | sarob: at oscon, will you speak with M. Rice from LPI? | 17:42 |
| sarob | Haven't got any new feedback | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | is reed Stefano? | 17:43 |
| reed | sarob, I should publish the raw odp files somewhere | 17:43 |
| reed | dguitarbite, yes | 17:43 |
| sarob | Matjazp maybe. Not sure he will be there | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | reed: :) | 17:43 |
| matjazp | sarob: I think he will... he was mentioning it on Skype | 17:43 |
| sarob | Reed another patch to training is good for that | 17:43 |
| reed | sarob, binaries in git? I thought people didn't like that | 17:44 |
| sarob | Matjazp anything you want from rice? | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | reed: can you push it to your github repo instead then? | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | how big are the binaries? | 17:44 |
| * reed checks | 17:44 | |
| matjazp | sarob: well it would be nice if we knew if the contract went through | 17:44 |
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| sarob | Matjazp hmm, right | 17:44 |
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| reed | dguitarbite, ~9Mb | 17:45 |
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| dguitarbite | ok, i think its not too big, would it be possible to link them via. dropbox/gdrive or aws s3 container? | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Reed gdrive is pref | 17:47 |
| reed | i'll drop them on my rackspace account | 17:47 |
| reed | come on, we make openstack :) | 17:47 |
| sarob | Reed are | 17:47 |
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| sarob | Reed are you planning training for oscon? | 17:47 |
| sarob | Reed I didn't hear | 17:47 |
| sarob | About it | 17:47 |
| reed | I'll be in Portland | 17:48 |
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| reed | no training sessions there | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | reed: haha, sure :) | 17:48 |
| reed | Paris is the next one | 17:48 |
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| sarob | Reed okay. Cloud files to | 17:48 |
| sarob | Yo | 17:48 |
| sarob | Paris right then | 17:48 |
| sarob | Any other dev info? | 17:49 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:50 |
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| dguitarbite | I got something | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | I would like all the sub-team leads to attend our design sessions | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | does that sound reasonable ? | 17:50 |
| sarob | Summit? | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | yeah | 17:50 |
| sarob | I say yes | 17:50 |
| matjazp | sure | 17:51 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: not sure I can make it. | 17:51 |
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| dguitarbite | sure, we can have you over video chat | 17:51 |
| sarob | #action training core reviewers /leads attend all training Juno design sessions | 17:51 |
| sarob | And thus it be so | 17:51 |
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| * dguitarbite amen | 17:52 | |
| sarob | If that is it , I call this meeting concluded | 17:52 |
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| sarob | 8 mins back to y'all | 17:52 |
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| MeganR1 | Thank you! | 17:53 |
| rluethi | bye all. | 17:53 |
| sarob | Cheeers! | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 17:53 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:53 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 17:53:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-14-17.00.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-14-17.00.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-14-17.00.log.html | 17:53 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 18:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | Who is here for third-party meeting? Anyone? | 18:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:01 |
| asselin | hi | 18:01 |
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| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 18:01 |
| luqas | o/ | 18:01 |
| ignacio-Embrane | Hi | 18:01 |
| ignacio-Embrane | me | 18:01 |
| banix | hi | 18:01 |
| lyxus | o/ | 18:01 |
| sweston_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinbenton | O/ | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | wow, great! | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | looks like biggest group yet | 18:02 |
| dane_leblanc | hello | 18:02 |
| daya_k | hi, first time for me, i am handling the ibm sdnve 3rd party setup | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | welcome all! | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda for today's meeting: | 18:02 |
| vjay | hi all | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:02 |
| pmanur | Hi . all | 18:02 |
| aysyd | hi | 18:02 |
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| lukego | hoi | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | ok, review of last week | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | I recorded 2 actions, the first was to make sure timelines got communicated to neutron and cinder | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | sweston and I were going to check on that | 18:04 |
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| sweston | yes, so I believe the timelines are fairly clear | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | I think that was taken care of since we have neutron here today | 18:04 |
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| mestery | krtaylor: I sent a reminder email out with a summary of Neutron 3rd party CI last Friday. | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | yes, it was very good | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | and I have got a status from cinder core that we can build on for next week | 18:05 |
| mestery | krtaylor: cool, thanks! | 18:05 |
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| vjay | mestery: vjay from citrix. NetScaler CI has been voting for a while. | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | ok, the second was sweston starting a terms discussion, documenting the email thread | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | and that has made quick progress | 18:06 |
| vjay | it votes only on LBaaS changes though | 18:06 |
| sweston | :-) thanks, krtaylor | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | sweston posted email and link to etherpad | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyVotingTerms | 18:07 |
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| mestery | vjay: I don't think we're at that agenda item yet, please wait until we get there. | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | yes, please, hang on just a min | 18:07 |
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| vjay | mestery: my apologies. will wait | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | sweston, anything you want to add? | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | vjay, no worries | 18:08 |
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| mestery | Not a problem vjay, just helping to keep things on track :) | 18:08 |
| sweston | I think the terms and definitions are very fair. if anyone has anything they'd like to contribute, I'd say please do it quickly. | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | yes, I encourage everyone to get involved | 18:09 |
| sweston | that would be it, krtaylor, thanks :-) | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | sweston, you will roll that up into a patch soon? | 18:09 |
| sweston | krtaylor: If you would like to set a date, I will put it on the calendar | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | #action discuss timeline for terms patch to third_party.rst sweston krtaylor | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | alright | 18:10 |
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| krtaylor | so last, I'd like to beg everyone to get involved and review the existing patchsets, we ard backed up on them and need to close them out | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:11 |
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| krtaylor | following this topic would allow any new patches to be followed by this link | 18:12 |
| mestery | krtaylor: Will do, they are in my queue. | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | so topic any patches third-party | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | did I miss anything from previous week? | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | does anyone have any announcements? | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | nope, ok next | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | well, I jumped in too quick on the reviews, it should go here | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | but, its worth saying twice | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | any discussion on the existing patchsets? | 18:15 |
| mestery | krtaylor: Just to make sure people review them :) | 18:16 |
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| * krtaylor thinks everyone is just waiting to talk about neutron | 18:16 | |
| krtaylor | next then | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | any new deadlines to communicate? | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | I havent seen any | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | good enough | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:17 |
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| krtaylor | ok, mestery your up | 18:17 |
| mestery | krtaylor: Is this my slot? | 18:17 |
| mestery | :) | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | want to summarize first? | 18:18 |
| mestery | So, I'd like some order here. | 18:18 |
| mestery | krtaylor: Sure. | 18:18 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-thirdparty-juno | 18:18 |
| mestery | That's the link I'm going to walk through. | 18:18 |
| mestery | The background is this: | 18:18 |
| mestery | About 6 weeks ago I sent email on a "state of third-party CI in Neutron" | 18:18 |
| mestery | This is the followup discussion as we approach the Juno-2 deadline for all plugins and drivers to ahve this working | 18:18 |
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| mestery | Lets walk through each CI system which has trouble now, and we can see where people are at. | 18:18 |
| mestery | The first one on the list is the Cisco CI. | 18:19 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: I see you here. Hi! | 18:19 |
| dane_leblanc | hello | 18:19 |
| dane_leblanc | We're missing logging for screen logs... | 18:19 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: OK. | 18:19 |
| mestery | Any issues getting that implemented? | 18:19 |
| dane_leblanc | Shouldn't be an issue | 18:20 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Great! | 18:20 |
| dane_leblanc | But disk space is something to think about | 18:20 |
| dane_leblanc | We have 5 plugins, with 3 more on the way | 18:20 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Yes, that was the other issue with the Cisco CI. | 18:20 |
| mestery | Log retention | 18:20 |
| dane_leblanc | So for 30 days retention, I'm gussing about 80 GB needed for logs | 18:20 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Do you think you can solve these before Juno-2? Do you need help? | 18:20 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: ++ | 18:20 |
| dane_leblanc | We should have it covered. | 18:21 |
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| mestery | dane_leblanc: Great! | 18:21 |
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| mestery | dane_leblanc: Thanks for the update! | 18:21 |
| dane_leblanc | Fixing it in a side system, which we'll switch to soon. | 18:21 |
| dane_leblanc | Thank you. | 18:21 |
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| mestery | dane_leblanc: Perfect. | 18:21 |
| mestery | Next up: Citrix. vjay, hi! | 18:21 |
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| Youcef | Vjay is just distracted for a second :) | 18:21 |
| pmanur | parikshit from citrix. Hi | 18:21 |
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| mestery | Youcef: hi there! | 18:21 |
| mestery | pmanur: Hi as well! | 18:22 |
| vjay | NetScaler CI has been voting | 18:22 |
| mestery | So, your plugin is running for LBaaS only commits? Maybe that's why I missed it's reporting. | 18:22 |
| vjay | ok | 18:22 |
| mestery | Can you folks paste a recent link to a succesful run? | 18:22 |
| vjay | sure | 18:22 |
| mestery | vjay: thanks! | 18:22 |
| mestery | vjay: OK, please put a link to a succesful run in the etherpad. | 18:23 |
| vjay | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40296 | 18:23 |
| mestery | We'll move on to the next one. | 18:23 |
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| mestery | vjay: Perfect timing! | 18:23 |
| * mestery looks | 18:23 | |
| vjay | can you please give the link to the etherpad | 18:23 |
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| fawadkhaliq | vijendar: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-thirdparty-juno | 18:24 |
| mestery | thanks fawadkhaliq | 18:24 |
| fawadkhaliq | vijay: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-thirdparty-juno | 18:24 |
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| mestery | vjay: There are a few issues with your CI based on that link: | 18:24 |
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| mestery | It's not saving enough info (logs, including screen captures). | 18:24 |
| mestery | vjay: I'll add that as a requirement in the etherpad. | 18:24 |
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| mestery | vjay: That should be straightforward, and you can work with people in this meeting each week for help. Also, #openstack-infra. | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | vjay, also the link points to the job, not the log | 18:25 |
| mestery | vjay: Does that sound ok? | 18:26 |
| vjay | can you see the latest patchet 24 | 18:26 |
| vjay | vote | 18:26 |
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| vjay | the logs are present in http://125.22.100.252/Change_40296_PatchSet_24_2014-07-14_10_51_48 | 18:26 |
| vjay | it has all the screen captures | 18:26 |
| pmanur | http://125.22.100.252/Change_40296_PatchSet_24_2014-07-14_10_51_48/devstack/log_dest/logs/ is the full path for screen logs | 18:26 |
| mestery | vjay: I see that now. | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | vjay, I see, you are using the build to index the logs | 18:27 |
| mestery | vjay: I'll defer to krtaylor, but the links in the Jenkins voting look odd to me, but you are right, the logs are there. | 18:27 |
| mestery | krtaylor: Thoughts? | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | vjay, also, its a good idea to not use a specific IP address, it makes links break in the future if the ip changes | 18:28 |
| vjay | ok. we are working on changing to a dns name | 18:28 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next one. | 18:29 |
| mestery | Thanks vjay! | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | mestery, not sure I am looking at the right thing, the last report is not a vote, just comment | 18:29 |
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| mestery | krtaylor: Looks here at the netscaler commeont on patchset 24: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40296 | 18:29 |
| mestery | krtaylor: My comment was it's somewhat hard to parse that, thats all. | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | mestery, yes, I was looking at the wrong review | 18:30 |
| mestery | OK, now moving on. | 18:30 |
| mestery | krtaylor: :) | 18:30 |
| mestery | Next up: Embrane. | 18:30 |
| ignacio-Embrane | hi | 18:30 |
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| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: Hi! | 18:30 |
| mestery | Per the etherpad, there are two issues: 1) Logs are tarred up and not viewable in the browser, and the CI runs seem inconsistent. | 18:31 |
| ignacio-Embrane | I can change the script to not compress the logs before uploading | 18:31 |
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| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: Perfect! | 18:31 |
| ignacio-Embrane | but what do yopu meet with inconsistent runs? | 18:31 |
| ignacio-Embrane | *you mean | 18:31 |
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| mestery | In looking at it, it wasn't clear what it was running against, and if hte results were consistent. | 18:32 |
| mestery | I may be wrong | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | dane_leblanc, is the last review on that netscaler patchset (24) yours? if so, same ip address comment applies | 18:32 |
| ignacio-Embrane | it has been running for a while, latest is against this patchset | 18:32 |
| ignacio-Embrane | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102648/ | 18:32 |
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| dane_leblanc | krtaylor: Not sure, but I know we have the same problem. | 18:33 |
| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: that's what I mean: It only ran against patch sets 2 and 6 from that review. | 18:33 |
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| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: Sorry, 2, 4, 5 and 6. | 18:33 |
| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: Did it skip 1 and 3 for some reasons? | 18:33 |
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| ignacio-Embrane | Some days ago I had to cut some accumulated jobs to make some changes | 18:34 |
| ignacio-Embrane | since it had a bit of a backlog of patches to test | 18:34 |
| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: OK, this could explain what I saw when looking at a few other patches as well. | 18:34 |
| ignacio-Embrane | I wanted to ask what is the best way to run the minumum subset of tests | 18:34 |
| ignacio-Embrane | to speed it up a bit | 18:34 |
| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: This may be a broader problem which shoudl be discussed here though, and there is a mailing list thread on this as well from kevinbenton. | 18:35 |
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| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: It seems like the issues noted in the etherpad for embrane are easily solvable though. | 18:35 |
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| mestery | ignacio-Embrane: Thanks for the discussion here! | 18:35 |
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| mestery | Lets move on to the next one. | 18:35 |
| mestery | IBM SDN-VE | 18:36 |
| ignacio-Embrane | ok thanks | 18:36 |
| mestery | Is banix or someone else here? | 18:36 |
| daya_k | hi | 18:36 |
| mestery | daya_k: Hi! | 18:36 |
| banix | hi | 18:36 |
| mestery | Hi banix and daya_k! | 18:36 |
| mestery | banix: We had spoken last week, but it's good to document it here. | 18:36 |
| mestery | The IBM CI is moving to a new group and setup, right? | 18:36 |
| daya_k | we are moving to a zuul based system, in the works | 18:36 |
| mestery | daya_k: ++ | 18:36 |
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| daya_k | thanks, facing some issues, with triggers not starting a job, but manual runs on sandbox env running | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | also, just be clear on what is being tested, IBM has several CI systems reporting | 18:37 |
| mestery | daya_k: Cool! If you hit issues, the ML and #openstack-infra are your friends, as well as this meeting. | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 18:37 |
| sweston | ++ | 18:38 |
| daya_k | yes, thanks. | 18:38 |
| banix | yes this is the CI for IBM SDN-VE Neutron plugin | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | right, and that goes back to the system naming discussion | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | also in the ML and patch comments | 18:39 |
| daya_k | i can add the 'SDN-VE' in the vote. currently its 'IBM Neutron Testing' | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, yes, that was what I was getting at, something like ibm-sdnve-ci | 18:40 |
| banix | krtaylor: daya_k we are given a new name; specific to sdn-ve | 18:40 |
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| banix | got the new name from anteaya; will double check to get ithe exact name | 18:41 |
| mestery | banix daya_k: Sounds fine to me | 18:41 |
| daya_k | i had one Q for the codes earlier, sorry to bring it back up, havent seen if any specific code is defined for 'passed' and will you be adding it to the openstack ci system itself | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, if you are referring to the terms discussion, it is just for discussion at this point | 18:42 |
| daya_k | ok, so not part of the deadline | 18:42 |
| daya_k | phew | 18:42 |
| mestery | OK, looking at time, I'd like to move on. | 18:43 |
| krtaylor | daya_k, right | 18:43 |
| mestery | Thanks daya_k and banix, seems like things are under control here! | 18:43 |
| mestery | Next up: One Convergence. | 18:43 |
| mestery | is anyeone here from One Convergence? | 18:43 |
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| mestery | OK, moving on. | 18:44 |
| mestery | Next up is OpenDaylight. | 18:44 |
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| mestery | I spoke to dave_tucker (who is in the UK) last week. | 18:44 |
| mestery | ODL is moving to a new zuul based setup in the RAX cloud. | 18:44 |
| mestery | It's a work in progress. | 18:44 |
| mestery | I'll follow up with dave_tucker and the ODL team this week as well. | 18:44 |
| mestery | Next up: PLUMgrid. | 18:45 |
| mestery | fawadkhaliq: Hi! | 18:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | hi | 18:45 |
| fawadkhaliq | PLUMgrid CI looks good now. Finally, it has been updated to store all the required logs in the correct format as per https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting. Example against latest neutron patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106365/. | 18:45 |
| mestery | fawadkhaliq: Yes, it looks good to me too! | 18:45 |
| mestery | fawadkhaliq: thanks for working to correct the issues around hte logs. | 18:45 |
| mestery | OK, that one was quick. Next up: Radware. | 18:46 |
| mestery | Is anyone here from Radware? | 18:46 |
| emagana | fawadkhaliq: well done! | 18:46 |
| mestery | The main issue with the Radware plugin is the fact the logs aren't viewable from the browser. | 18:46 |
| fawadkhaliq | emagana: mestery: thank you | 18:46 |
| * mestery waits for 30 more seconds. | 18:46 | |
| mestery | OK, next up: Tail-F. | 18:47 |
| mestery | lukego: Hi there! | 18:47 |
| lukego | Tail-f NCS Jenkins: I brought this online again early in June and it has run around 400 tests since then. I'm monitoring daily during the week and sanity-checking the results, particularly negative ones, and retriggering tests that failed due to operational issues (happens occasionally). Example successful run: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92541/ | 18:47 |
| mestery | Any updates on your CI? | 18:47 |
| lukego | I have two known-to-me issues that I'd like help with. One is how to run more than the API tests, which is a requirement that I don't meet yet. The other is to look at a couple of suspicious failures and help see if they are due to some setup issue on my side e.g. http://88.198.8.227:81/html/ci-logs/2014-07-14_07-21-28/ | 18:47 |
| lukego | There are perhaps also unknown-to-me issues that will come to light now :). | 18:47 |
| mestery | lukego: Looks good! For the first one, it's just a matter of running the basic and advanced networking ops tests in tempest in addition to the tempest API tests. | 18:48 |
| lukego | I tried just doing that with testr, but they all failed for some strange reason, so I suspect by devstack and/or tempest conf is dodgy | 18:49 |
| mestery | lukego: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting#What_Tests_To_Run | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | lukego, same ip address in the link comment | 18:49 |
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| krtaylor | lukego, I am looking, but also jump in #openstack-infra and we can help you through setup issues | 18:50 |
| mestery | OK, thanks lukego, lets move on to the next one. | 18:50 |
| mestery | lukego: I think you can solve these issues with some help. | 18:50 |
| lukego | *nod*. will follow up in openstack-infra | 18:50 |
| mestery | The last one is the vAmour FWaaS driver. | 18:50 |
| mestery | Is someone from vAmour here? | 18:50 |
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| mestery | The issues with this one are the fact we can't view logs from runs, and some runs appear inconsistent. | 18:51 |
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| mestery | krtaylor: That's all I've got, thanks for the time in your meeting! | 18:52 |
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| krtaylor | vArmour CI has the same IP addr issue | 18:52 |
| mestery | krtaylor: #sadpanda | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | mestery, thanks for bringing this to the meeting and driving the discussion | 18:52 |
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| mestery | krtaylor: Sure, anytime! | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | we are almost out of time | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | does anyone have anything to discuss? | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | I'll see if I can get cinder to come and discuss where they are next week | 18:54 |
| mestery | krtaylor: ++ | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to contact cinder for status/help meeting | 18:55 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 18:55 |
| luqas | mestery: just to make sure, the rest of the CIs we can assume we are not in a risky situation? | 18:55 |
| mestery | luqas: From my analysis, correct. :) | 18:55 |
| * mestery hopes he didn't miss anything, but he spent a good amount of time last week checking ... | 18:55 | |
| luqas | mestery: cool :) thanks | 18:55 |
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| mestery | Certainly, people can feel free to correct me. :) | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | mestery, and it has been well communicated | 18:56 |
| mestery | krtaylor: ++ | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | I guess we can call it quits a bit early then | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, come back next week | 18:56 |
| banix | thanks | 18:56 |
| luqas | thanks! | 18:56 |
| daya_k | thx | 18:56 |
| sweston | krtaylor, mestery thanks!! | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| fawadkhaliq | thanks! ciao | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 18:57:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-14-18.00.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-14-18.00.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-14-18.00.log.html | 18:57 |
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| jroll | shall we? | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | sure | 19:00 |
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| devananda | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | who here for the Ironic meeting | 19:00 |
| romcheg_ltp | o/ | 19:00 |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
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| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 19:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | щ. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
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| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | hi | 19:00 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda is available up here: | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| rloo | hi | 19:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:01 |
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| Nisha | o/ | 19:01 |
| mrda | \o | 19:01 |
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| devananda | quick call out again for our mid cycle meetup coming in just two weeks! | 19:02 |
| devananda | I'd like to organize a small pre-meetup pizza outing on Sunday - sign up on the etherpad if you're interested | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | hah nice | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | My flight gets in super-late so I won't be able to make it for pizza :'( | 19:02 |
| devananda | we should start thinking about what our goals for the midcycle are -- not in this meeting, but on the etherpad above :) | 19:03 |
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| devananda | looks like there are some up there already, in fact | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | I will not be able to make the next meeting due to TripleO mid cycle | 19:03 |
| devananda | yep - next week is the tripleo mid cycle in Raleigh | 19:03 |
| devananda | I know some of us (myself included) will be there | 19:04 |
| romcheg_ltp | So who will be the chair? | 19:04 |
| * NobodyCam is htere monday and tuesday only | 19:04 | |
| * jroll votes lucasagomes for chair next week | 19:04 | |
| romcheg_ltp | +1 for lucasagomes! | 19:04 |
| yuriyz | +1 | 19:04 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: coming to the tripleo meetup? excellent | 19:04 |
| mrda | +1 | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:05 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: want to? I'm fine with that | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | alright | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:05 |
| dtantsur | +1 | 19:05 |
| jroll | nice looking bus I have, eh lucasagomes ? :) | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | sure | 19:05 |
| devananda | #info lucasagomes will run the next weekly ironic meeting, since devananda and NobodyCam will be at the TripleO midcycle | 19:05 |
| devananda | also, the followign week being our meetup, I would like to suggest taht we don't haev an IRC meeting taht monday | 19:05 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | yeah makes sense | 19:06 |
| mrda | yup | 19:06 |
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| devananda | #info no weekly meeting on July 28, due to Ironic midcycle meetup | 19:06 |
| romcheg_ltp | But will you post updates so the guys who don't go to the meetup can read that? | 19:06 |
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| Shrews | devananda: since adam_g and myself will be in raleigh too, i suggest talking testing strategy while there at some point | 19:07 |
| devananda | romcheg_ltp: yep | 19:07 |
| devananda | Shrews: good point. | 19:07 |
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| devananda | other announcements -- I reviewed our review stats on Friday and sent a few nominations out | 19:07 |
| devananda | I'll make those official later today | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:08 |
| devananda | a huge thanks to everyone who's been helping with reviews (and spec reviews)! | 19:08 |
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| devananda | our pace has gotten about 50% faster, in terms of # of patches landed, in June compared to May | 19:09 |
| devananda | and I think it'll keep improving with a few mroe cores :) | 19:09 |
| jroll | nice! | 19:09 |
| devananda | that's all for my announcements, I think | 19:09 |
| wanyen | Deva: we uploaded the new ilo deploy spec, can you and otehr reviewers take a look? | 19:09 |
| devananda | wanyen: please wait until the open discussion to bring up questiosn which aren't on the agenda | 19:10 |
| devananda | #topic release cycle progress report | 19:10 |
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| wanyen | ok | 19:10 |
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| devananda | I noticed this morning taht three more specs were approved recently -- good job! | 19:10 |
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| devananda | again, a huge thanks to those workign on spec revies, and to the proposers for having patience | 19:10 |
| devananda | we (and a lot of other projects, too) are still finding what the "right" balance is | 19:11 |
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| devananda | between beign too process heavy vs. not thinking things through clearly | 19:11 |
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| jroll | /b 76 | 19:11 |
| jroll | gah | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | BINGO | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:11 |
| jroll | lol | 19:11 |
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| matty_dubs | Close some of those tabs! ;) | 19:11 |
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| devananda | also a reminder, we're past the new-spec cut off -- but we can (and should) continue to iterate on existing specs until August 13 | 19:12 |
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| devananda | the nova driver is making progress. we landed several more clean up patches last week | 19:12 |
| devananda | mrda has one in flight still to add auth token caching to the client inside the nova driver | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | so no new specs for J at this point K is open? | 19:13 |
| devananda | which should help with some of the performance | 19:13 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: correct. no NEW specs. but revisions to existing specs are fine | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:13 |
| mrda | devananda: hoping to get an updated patch uploaded today for further review | 19:13 |
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| devananda | mrda: fantastic | 19:13 |
| rloo | devananda: if someone proposes a new spec, do you -2 it? | 19:13 |
| devananda | I'm going to try to squash all the ones that landed into my proposal to nova | 19:13 |
| devananda | rloo: yep | 19:13 |
| devananda | and take the feedback i've gotten from nova on taht review and push it back to ironic | 19:14 |
| rloo | thx devananda. you = you ;) | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: with a nice note that we'll unblock it after k officaily opens | 19:14 |
| devananda | FWIW, this is painful. I would really like us to stop making any more changes to the nova virt driver | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | we can talk about it on the open discussion, but what if the specs are submitted to the k/ directory instead of juno/? | 19:14 |
| devananda | mrda: so the sooner you can work on that, and we can land it, the better -- I think it's important enough to land it today if we can | 19:15 |
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| rloo | devananda: if we don't make the changes to the nova virt driver now, then when? would it be less painful later? | 19:15 |
| wanyen | deva: Did faizan workwith you on teh Nova driver changes for URFI boot? | 19:15 |
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| wanyen | s/URFI/UEFI | 19:15 |
| devananda | wanyen: the spec for those is not approved yet, in either nova or ironic. I suspect taht work will have to wait until after we land the nova virt driver (assuming we are able to land it this cycle) | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, after it's merged in nova | 19:16 |
| jroll | devananda: perhaps nova driver changes should be submitted to nova with your patch as a dep | 19:16 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, not less painful, but keep updating the patch all the time adding new features makes the review in nova more difficult | 19:16 |
| devananda | jroll: except we can't test them like that yet | 19:16 |
| devananda | until the driver merges into nova, we can't flip the tempest switch to test it there | 19:16 |
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| devananda | so we can't test dependent patches right now if they're proposed on top of mine | 19:17 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: yeah, I hear you. Pain is in our future... | 19:17 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, but we can't land them like that either... | 19:17 |
| jroll | I'm just thinking it's a better place to put them, and they'll land eventually | 19:17 |
| devananda | jroll: we can test and land them in Ironic for now. it jus tmeans I need to do a lot of manual merging and fixing of things | 19:17 |
| jroll | "I would really like us to stop making any more changes to the nova virt driver" | 19:17 |
| jroll | bugfixes should be in the ironic tree, yes, but adding features probably not | 19:18 |
| devananda | which is why I'm asking that everyone hold off approving any changes to the nova virt driver in our tree | 19:18 |
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| jroll | right... which doesn't jive with "test and land in ironic for now" | 19:18 |
| devananda | let's move on, we can talk about the details of that process for a while later :) | 19:18 |
| jroll | we can discuss later | 19:18 |
| jroll | :) | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I have +2 some changes but I am not +a'ing any in the nova tree | 19:18 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: hi! any updates on the general cleanup? | 19:19 |
| devananda | comstud: ^ ? | 19:19 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: thanks. that's perfect. | 19:19 |
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| comstud | devananda: I haven't been doing any cleanup... | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | well not on the clean ups, pretty much all the instance_info stuff is now merged, but the migration script... I will update the patch of the migration to include some documentation about how to use and what is that migration script about | 19:19 |
| comstud | but, I have a that one bug fix for build + delete races (when you happen to configure 2 nova-computes the way nova does not like :) | 19:20 |
| comstud | I need to update it with an issue I found with my fix tho | 19:20 |
| devananda | comstud: thought you had some more object code cleanups in the pipe? | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | not a clean up... but a refactor-like patch. There's the management interface, I put a new spec up today its already +2 | 19:20 |
| comstud | devananda: Gosh, well, I wish.. but they are not for the virt driver, anyway.. | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | if I could get more eyes on that would be great because there's other specs depending on that one | 19:21 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: got a link? | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100218/ | 19:21 |
| devananda | :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: link | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | :--p | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | heh perfect timing | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | was grabbing it | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | heheh | 19:21 |
| devananda | #info more reviews requested for the change to ManagementInterface (see prior link) | 19:21 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: anything else before we move on? | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | not from me | 19:22 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 19:22 |
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| devananda | adam_g: hi! care to summarize the tempest work from last week? | 19:22 |
| adam_g | nothing too major from the tempest side of things. Shrews and i have been busy trying to push through some new feature flags, the devstack slaves RAM requirements should get bumped to 512 soon paving the way for concurrent testing + parallel ironic instance spawns | 19:23 |
| Shrews | devananda: Not sure adam_g is available, but I did make some progress with submitting some tempest reviews to fix some more API tests for us (some after lengthy discussions). | 19:23 |
| devananda | good stuff | 19:24 |
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| devananda | for those not following the CI stuff closely, the short version is that the -qa team wants to enable all the compute/api tests with the ironic driver (instead of with libvirt) | 19:25 |
| adam_g | Shrews, was consensus reached regarding what to do about cinder tests? | 19:25 |
| devananda | rather than us having just one or two scenario tests for ironic, that would mean running all the nova tests (on the order of 100 or some such) | 19:25 |
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| Shrews | adam_g: we're going with a feature flag | 19:26 |
| adam_g | Shrews, ah, cool | 19:26 |
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| Shrews | adam_g: https://review.openstack.org/106472 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/106472 | 19:26 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: any updates on tripleo testing of Ironic? | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | not from me today, maybe lifeless has one? | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | if he's around | 19:27 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ok. it looks like the tripleo-undercloud-ironic job has been mostly stable lately, so perhaps no news is good news | 19:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: hi! I know you just got back from PTO (welcome back!) -- anything to share regaring bug status today? If not, that's fine. | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | something :) | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | and hello everyone | 19:28 |
| devananda | dtantsur: or regarding fedora support, if anything's changed there | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | ya :) | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | people like numbers, here are the numbers: 11 New bugs (+9); 151 Open bugs (+28); 35 In-progress bugs (-1); 1 Critical bug (0); 26 High importance bugs (0); 5 Incomplete bugs (-1) | 19:28 |
| devananda | ouch, 151 open bugs... I think it was just barely over 100 a few weeks ago | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | As you see, we have seriously increased number of opened bugs (and I didn;t have time to sort out new ones) | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | 123 2 weeks ago | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | (+- numbers are differences since last measurement) | 19:29 |
| devananda | ack | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | One of the reasons is that Nova folks start retargeting bm bugs to us | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | some without even seriously looking into, some quite valid | 19:29 |
| devananda | #info Bug stats: 11 New bugs (+9); 151 Open bugs (+28); 35 In-progress bugs (-1); 1 Critical bug (0); 26 High importance bugs (0); 5 Incomplete bugs (-1) | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | so we can expect even more bugs from them | 19:30 |
| devananda | dtantsur: yep. jogo poked me after the fact on that, but I haven't had time to triage all of them. | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | bugs for nova-bm are being closed | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: can we close some of the bugs, | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'll ask you to triage some, because not everything is clear to me | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | the one critical has a fix committed | 19:30 |
| devananda | some of them may be valid, but they should all have the "baremetal" tag | 19:30 |
| devananda | so at least they are easy to spot | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | as I suspect many others do too | 19:31 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, I didn't have time to create a script, measuring proper numbers, so this is still what LP reports | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | ahh :) Np | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | this is it for bugs, I'm in the middle of sorting them | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | what do we need to do to remove them frm LP? | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: nothing | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | and no updates on Fedora - didn't have time | 19:32 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: they will be hidden from the default status view on LP once they are released | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | ack :) | 19:32 |
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| dtantsur | ah! https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1341643 | 19:32 |
| devananda | I'd prefer our weekly stats to indicate those bugs taht don't even have a fix committed yet -- but LP doesn't do that for us, so we will need a custom script at some point | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1341643 in launchpad "No way of closing some bugs" [Undecided,New] | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | that is about non-closing bugs in LP :) | 19:32 |
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| devananda | that's something else too ... | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | devananda, that's on my plans, didn't have time though | 19:33 |
| devananda | jroll: hi! any updates on IPA? | 19:33 |
| jroll | hi! | 19:33 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks for the updates :) again, welcome back! | 19:33 |
| jroll | as always, people can check the latest status here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | thanks :) | 19:33 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:33 |
| jroll | I'm still figuring out some devstack things... agent is booting and getting the deploy command, but can't talk to glance | 19:34 |
| jroll | s/glance/swift/ | 19:34 |
| jroll | I have some ideas... patches and testing etherpad soon | 19:34 |
| * NobodyCam has to step away from computer... I will catch up / read the log when I return.. Thank you all... | 19:34 | |
| jroll | JoshNang has been working on / testing decom... that's very close as well | 19:34 |
| dtantsur | jroll, do you have some instructions on testing IPA locally? | 19:34 |
| dtantsur | maybe I missed them... | 19:34 |
| jroll | and don't forget we still need the spec to land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:35 |
| JayF | jroll: should we mention the builds of ipa-coreos image? | 19:35 |
| jroll | dtantsur: not yet, coming soon. this is what I meant by "testing etherpad" | 19:35 |
| dtantsur | very good | 19:35 |
| jroll | JayF: yes, thanks :) | 19:35 |
| JayF | I will talk about it then :) | 19:35 |
| JayF | We have a job running, in openstack infra, that's generating this: http://tarballs.openstack.org/ironic-python-agent/coreos/ipa-coreos.tar.gz every agent commit | 19:35 |
| JayF | this is a tarball that includes the ramdisk and kernel neccessary to run IPA in the CoreOS ramdisk, just like we do at Rackspace | 19:36 |
| wanyen | is IPA going to support OS othere than CoreOS? | 19:36 |
| JayF | We welcome patches to add support for other distribution methods, including DIB :) | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/ironic-python-agent/coreos/ipa-coreos.tar.gz | 19:36 |
| yuriyz | I started some work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103105/ | 19:36 |
| jroll | IPA will run on any OS, fwiw, we just don't have builders for others | 19:36 |
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| jroll | yuriyz: awesome! should ping us for reviews when that's no longer WIP :) | 19:37 |
| devananda | #info ironic-python-agent now generating tarballs of a CoreOS-based agent image on every commit, available at http://tarballs.openstack.org/ironic-python-agent/coreos/ipa-coreos.tar.gz | 19:37 |
| dtantsur | yuriyz, cool, I'd also be glad to review | 19:37 |
| devananda | yuriyz: nice! | 19:37 |
| JayF | yuriyz: I'd also suggest you add a builder for it to -infra once we get it merged as well. If it's going to be supported, it needs to be built and tested regularly to make sure it doesn't atrophy :) | 19:38 |
| JayF | and while we still need better testing, we can at least build and upload working images :) | 19:38 |
| devananda | jroll: keep up the good work. I'm looking forward to digging into IPA at the sprint in two weeks :) | 19:38 |
| jroll | devananda: thanks, we're excited to land it | 19:39 |
| jroll | but seriously need spec reviews | 19:39 |
| jroll | so that the spec lands before the sprint | 19:39 |
| devananda | #info IPA spec needs reviews -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:39 |
| * dtantsur will look | 19:40 | |
| jroll | woot :) | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:40 |
| devananda | GheRivero: hi! any updates on Oslo for us? | 19:40 |
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| devananda | ok, we'll come back to Ghe if he is around later. | 19:41 |
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| devananda | romcheg_ltp: hi! any updates on the nova db -> ironic db migration script? | 19:41 |
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| romcheg_ltp | Morning again! | 19:42 |
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| romcheg_ltp | So I made a few minor updates to the data migration tool | 19:42 |
| romcheg_ltp | And was sticking to the Grenade testing | 19:43 |
| devananda | it looks like there are reviews up for them, but they haven't gotten any nova attention yet | 19:43 |
| romcheg_ltp | I don't know how that d**n think works on gates but in a week I didn't manage that to run | 19:43 |
| romcheg_ltp | Who is the best guys to talk about grenade? | 19:44 |
| devananda | romcheg_ltp: so at the atlanta summit, sdague volunteered to give some guidance on how we can use grenade to test this upgrade path | 19:44 |
| romcheg_ltp | So I will poke Sean then | 19:44 |
| devananda | thanks! | 19:44 |
| romcheg_ltp | Also I have a question | 19:44 |
| devananda | I'll poke the nova team regarding the upgrade spec and your two reviews for a migration tool in the meantime, and at the midcycle in two weeks | 19:45 |
| romcheg_ltp | Should I create console endpoints for migration tools in nova? | 19:45 |
| devananda | I dont have confidence that console support worked in nova-baremetal | 19:45 |
| romcheg_ltp | I can also post that to the mailing list but there's no need for that if you know the quick answer | 19:45 |
| devananda | it certainly wasn't tested, and none of the deployments I know of used it | 19:45 |
| romcheg_ltp | devananda: No, not that console :) | 19:46 |
| devananda | I think posting to the ML would be good, just in case someone is out there who needs it | 19:46 |
| devananda | oh? | 19:46 |
| devananda | which console then | 19:46 |
| romcheg_ltp | I mean cli endpoints | 19:46 |
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| devananda | what's a CLI endpoint? | 19:46 |
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| romcheg_ltp | console_script in setup.py | 19:47 |
| devananda | oh - you mean install them into $PATH somewhere | 19:47 |
| devananda | yes | 19:47 |
| romcheg_ltp | That's what I mean | 19:47 |
| devananda | definitely :) | 19:47 |
| devananda | romcheg_ltp: thanks! | 19:48 |
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| devananda | thanks to all the subteams - great reports, folks :) | 19:48 |
| romcheg_ltp | I have no questions then :) | 19:48 |
| romcheg_ltp | Thanlks | 19:48 |
| devananda | #topic discussion: how to clearly indicate that Ironic is not a CMDB | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion: how to clearly indicate that Ironic is not a CMDB (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:48 | |
| devananda | so this came up (again) today | 19:48 |
| devananda | I feel strongly that Ironic is not suited to be a CMDB | 19:48 |
| JayF | +1 | 19:49 |
| devananda | and we're dancing close to a slippery slope | 19:49 |
| devananda | and some of the spec proposals go too far, IMO, over that edge | 19:49 |
| JayF | What are a few examples? | 19:49 |
| devananda | so I pointed out the mission statement | 19:49 |
| devananda | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml#n142 | 19:49 |
| devananda | and am wondering if others feel that is good, or if that is somehow indicating that a CMDB is or might be in scope ... | 19:50 |
| Shrews | devananda: it does invite some vagueness | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | as I already stated, "managing" is too vague | 19:50 |
| matty_dubs | To be honest (and maybe this is just me), I'm not sure I have ever seen that mission statement before. | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | success story ^^^ | 19:51 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: it's part of the governance docs which the TC produces | 19:51 |
| devananda | but that ya'll haven't seen them indicates also that the impression that Ironic might be a CMDB isn't coming from there | 19:51 |
| devananda | so just changing that won't address it (but might help) | 19:51 |
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| jroll | right, I don't think it's coming from there | 19:51 |
| JayF | devananda: I'm very curious as to hear your impression as to what is over the line or not? | 19:51 |
| jroll | but if you change it, you can at least point at that when needed | 19:52 |
| matty_dubs | It may be the canonically correct place to clarify this, but I'm not sure if it'll be widely read | 19:52 |
| devananda | JayF: storing a full inventory of discovered hardware information | 19:52 |
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| jroll | devananda: btw, I think the mission statement should be here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | oh, we had this dicsussion today again | 19:52 |
| devananda | JayF: in and of itself isn't over the line. but as soon as that's there, someone will want to search through it, or audit it, or ask for a delta -- what changed when I re-inventoried this server? | 19:52 |
| jroll | (and perhaps a thing about 'not a cmdb') | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 19:52 |
| devananda | and *that* is all CMDB territory | 19:52 |
| Shrews | devananda: perhaps adding an "Ironic Manifesto" to the ironic wiki page would help? | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | it's a wiki so we can update that | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | devananda, someone already wanted in comments to my spec >_< | 19:53 |
| Shrews | oh, yeah, what jroll said :) | 19:53 |
| JayF | devananda: that's sorta what I was thinking the line was too: storing what exists (ok), modifying or updating what exists (not ok) | 19:53 |
| dtantsur | yeah, if we want to avoid it, we may just be clear and say it | 19:53 |
| JayF | devananda: the path for #2 is 'old server gone, here's a new server that looks suspiciously similar except now has new ram' | 19:53 |
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| jroll | JayF: I think updating is ok... but using it as a data source is what makes it a cmdb | 19:54 |
| devananda | and of course, if ya'll think I"m wrong (and Ironic should be a CMDB) I expect everyone to tell me that | 19:54 |
| devananda | (but so far no one has) | 19:54 |
| wanyen | hw inventory related to scheduling would be relevant to proviisoning | 19:54 |
| jroll | devananda: they're all scared of you :) | 19:54 |
| devananda | jroll: :-/ | 19:54 |
| jroll | (I'm joking) | 19:54 |
| jroll | wanyen: there are other methods of doing that | 19:54 |
| devananda | jroll: i swear, i'm not scary ..... :) | 19:55 |
| matty_dubs | To me, the line is kind of blurry. I have no issue with where it's drawn, but I think it's very easy to come along and say, "As long as we're doing x, it'd be nice to do x++...." | 19:55 |
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| wanyen | Jroll: for example? | 19:55 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: exactly the situation we're in. | 19:55 |
| jroll | wanyen: example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105802/ | 19:55 |
| dtantsur | 5 minutes left | 19:55 |
| JayF | Doesn't that just mean that spec reviewers need a good idea of where the line is and to enforce it there? | 19:55 |
| wanyen | Not to store all hw inventory but only teh hw properties taht assist scheduling | 19:55 |
| devananda | i sort of had this discussion with folks offline about a year ago, but it was hypothetical. now, it's practical. | 19:56 |
| devananda | and I think I'm doing a disservice to all of you if I don't try to help clarify where the line is | 19:56 |
| jroll | wanyen: scheduler doesn't need to know that "this machine has 512kb L2 cache and an nvidia m1234 gpu with 2048MB video ram", that's far too fine-grained | 19:56 |
| JayF | devananda: maybe something good to discuss at the mid-cycle is things explicitly in and out of scope | 19:56 |
| JayF | devananda: to put into the wiki to clear it up | 19:56 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 19:56 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:56 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 19:56 |
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| lucasagomes | +1 sounds good | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | Can we have a quick chat on discovery specs? | 19:57 |
| devananda | sure | 19:57 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| jroll | type fast :) | 19:57 |
| wanyen | jroll: I agree. So only the proerpties taht assist scheduling | 19:57 |
| jroll | Nisha: around? | 19:57 |
| jroll | wanyen: yep :) | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | we had a long discussion with Nisha and I guess we came to sort of agreement | 19:57 |
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| dtantsur | we don't see our specs as overlapping too much, Nisha's spec is one particular implementation that can be built on top of what I'm suggestings | 19:58 |
| dtantsur | we've discussed ways of doing it, I left comment on the spec | 19:58 |
| dtantsur | so I don't see reasons not to consider both specs | 19:58 |
| wanyen | Jroll: we need toallow shceudling for with basic properties: #of CPus, Ram sz, etc. Some vendor maight want to support schedulling based on server model taht should be allowed. | 19:58 |
| devananda | i think this isn't the first time we've seen a need | 19:58 |
| devananda | for a generic spec + a specific implementation spec on top of it | 19:59 |
| devananda | so I'm fine with that | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | sure :) | 19:59 |
| devananda | if it helps the discussion | 19:59 |
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| Nisha | jroll: yes | 19:59 |
| devananda | if both authors agree, and gerrit represents taht dependency, i think that's great | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | And I would actually ask cores to consider my spec, because it's around for some time, people come and ask for some new details, for proper hw inventory and so on | 19:59 |
| jroll | dtantsur: indeed, I think Nisha's should depend on yours :) | 19:59 |
| jroll | wanyen: indeed | 19:59 |
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| dtantsur | Nisha, are you ok with what I suggest? | 20:00 |
| devananda | any objections to using a generic + specific spec approach in this case, or in general? | 20:00 |
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| Shrews | time is up, folks | 20:00 |
| devananda | (waiting for Nisha's answer before ending the meeting) | 20:00 |
| dtantsur | links: mine https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102565/, Nisha's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100951 | 20:00 |
| Nisha | dtantsur: Yes it looks ok | 20:01 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102565/ | 20:01 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100951 | 20:01 |
| Nisha | I will update | 20:01 |
| dtantsur | thanks a lot :) | 20:01 |
| wanyen | so nisah spec is pretty geenric in terms of management interface | 20:01 |
| devananda | #agreed using a generic spec + one or more implementation-specific specs, which are gerrit dependencies, seems to be an accepted approach when that helps facilitate a discussion about new driver features | 20:02 |
| devananda | thanks all! great meeting, as usual | 20:02 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 20:02 |
| devananda | see some of you next week, and some the week after that! | 20:02 |
| lucasagomes | cheers | 20:02 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 20:02:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-14-19.00.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-14-19.00.txt | 20:02 |
| romcheg_ltp | Bye! | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-07-14-19.00.log.html | 20:02 |
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| wanyen | I think both node discovery and node property discovery managmeent interfacea re needed for different deploy scenaio | 20:02 |
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| banix_ | Hi mestery , all | 20:59 |
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| Swami | hi everyone | 21:01 |
| pcm__ | hi | 21:01 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | yo | 21:01 |
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| mestery | I think we can get started now. | 21:02 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 21:02 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 14 21:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #info SAD (Spec Approval Deadline) is fast approaching | 21:02 |
| mestery | I've begun deferring items to "K" release already, more will likely come. | 21:03 |
| mestery | Thanks to salv-orlando for his carpet bombing of the specs reviews today with comments. :) | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #info SAD is July 20. | 21:03 |
| mestery | Any questions on SAD by anyone? | 21:03 |
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| * markmcclain thinks sad might be the best way to describe proposers negatively affected | 21:03 | |
| mestery | markmcclain: Heh :) | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: meh no carpet bombing. Comments were as accurate as possible. No reports of civilian casualties. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Seriously, I appreciated your reviews, they were almost identical to my and markmcclain's thoughts on specs as well. | 21:04 |
| mestery | OK, next announcement topic. | 21:04 |
| mestery | Third Party Meeting CI updates | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-14-18.00.log.html | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #info Went over Neutron 3rd Party CI with issues today, hopefully provided a way forward for those affected | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: still on the SAD topic we should quickly define a process for SAD exceptions, if any. People will want to know if exceptions might be granted. | 21:05 |
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| mestery | Most CI systems are in good shape. | 21:05 |
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| * mestery weeps at salv-orlando mentioning the exception process. | 21:05 | |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: I will take that as an action item. | 21:06 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to define SAD exception process | 21:06 |
| hemanthravi | mestery: one convergence is failing due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1337698 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1337698 in neutron "q-dhcp agent fails to start on Ubuntu 12.04" [High,Incomplete] | 21:06 |
| ijw | Would be nice to be clear what makes some specs candidates for deferral before the SAD, too. | 21:06 |
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| nati_ueno | hi sorry late | 21:07 |
| mestery | ijw: Mostly it's notalready being a part of the Juno Project Plan: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 21:07 |
| sc68cal | I have a bone to pick with one convergence - we've been having to add lots of skips to the one convergence unit tests due to no ipv6 support | 21:07 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: no worries | 21:07 |
| sc68cal | perhaps we can discuss in my segment :) | 21:07 |
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| mestery | hemanthravi: Can you try to attend the third party meeting on Monday's to discuss the issues? Also, the ML and #openstack-infra are filled with helpful people. | 21:07 |
| * salv-orlando wonder’s what’s the difference between having a bone and having a beef | 21:07 | |
| mestery | sc68cal: OK, lets do that. | 21:07 |
| hemanthravi | mestery: ok | 21:07 |
| mestery | hemanthravi: thanks! | 21:07 |
| mestery | sc68cal: thanks to you too. | 21:07 |
| mestery | One last announcement: | 21:08 |
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| mestery | Wanted to remind folks the Open vSwitch and Linuxbridge plugins are leaving the tree after Juno-2 is cut next week. | 21:08 |
| mestery | Just a heads up, more or less, this is not new information. | 21:08 |
| mestery | Any other announcements from anyone? | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | bye bye two plugins.. | 21:08 |
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| mestery | #info Open vSwitch and Linuxbridge plugins will be removed from the tree after Juno-2 releases. | 21:08 |
| regXboi | mestery: have the doc folks been told? | 21:09 |
| * regXboi wonder if doc generation will suddenly break | 21:09 | |
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| mestery | regXboi: I hope not, but we'll soon find out. | 21:09 |
| sc68cal | How good is our grenade testing - we've had issues with the OVS->ML2 migrations due to a bug..... | 21:09 |
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| mestery | regXboi: And emagana is out for today's meeting as well, we'll have to ask him in-channel later. | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: grenade is non functional due to the db migration | 21:10 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Once we get the DB stuff merged, grenade testing shoudl be full steam ahead. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: But as markmcclain says, it's not good ATM. | 21:10 |
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| phil_h | doc team is aware the OVS and linuxbridge is being removed | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: uhm about removing plugins.. just not forget to move away the agents first ;) | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: so it masks other problems.. also grenade does no test OVS > ml2 path | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | we need the agents for ML2 | 21:10 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 21:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | what about plugins depending from OVS and LB? | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | ivar-lazzaro: those plugins will break | 21:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | should they solve the dependency via bug? | 21:11 |
| mestery | #info The agents for the Open vSwitch and Linuxbridge plugins will be moved to a new, safer home in the source tree. | 21:11 |
| sc68cal | markmcclain: ah - what can be used to test the ovs > ml2 migration? | 21:11 |
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| salv-orlando | re: grenade and migrations. akamyshnikova has asked to delay until tomorrow morning Moscow time - she has to do some additional checks | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: we can look at implementing another grenade scenario | 21:11 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 21:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | markmcclain: I thought so, just wondering how much time do they have to fix this, and what's the expected process | 21:12 |
| sc68cal | markmcclain: oK - i'll contact you later since Comcast is doing that manually, we'd like to help | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: awsome | 21:12 |
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| marun | sc68cal: the reason there wasn't testing is that the migration script doesn't automate configuration migration, since that's a deployment step | 21:12 |
| sc68cal | and by manually, meaning we're just stepping on the landmines as we go | 21:13 |
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| yamamoto | are they going to be moved out of plugins directory? | 21:13 |
| shivharis | any idea which specific file will be removed. Since the respective agents will not be removed... | 21:13 |
| mestery | ivar-lazzaro: We've publically indicated the removal of these plugins for a long time now, so hopefully dependent plugins have their plans while underway. :) | 21:13 |
| * mestery didn't think LB and OVS plugin removal would engender so much discourse. | 21:14 | |
| mestery | OK, lets move on now. | 21:14 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:14 | |
| mestery | Our bug czar could not make it, but his report to me included the fact that Ihar's patch has helped with some lock timeout issues. | 21:15 |
| ihrachyshka | yay | 21:15 |
| mestery | There are some occasional lock timeouts in the gate, but nothing hugely causing problems. | 21:15 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Thank you! | 21:15 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachyshka++ | 21:15 |
| ihrachyshka | some? sounds disappointing ;) | 21:15 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Without bugs, what would we do? ;) | 21:15 |
| ajo | some hiden deadlock yet.. | 21:15 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of? | 21:15 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery: if someone shows me remaining locks, I may investigate them separately | 21:16 |
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| otherwiseguy | mestery: I added a patch for the ofport 'not yet assigned' being treated as a failure bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106517/ | 21:16 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Please sync with enikanorov tomorrow. | 21:16 |
| ihrachyshka | kk | 21:16 |
| mestery | otherwiseguy: saw that one, thanks! | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: enikanorov did that already… search for bug submitted by him. | 21:16 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: thanks! | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | enikanorov filed a bunch of bug. | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | bugs | 21:16 |
| otherwiseguy | just seemed like it could possibly cause some intermittent test failures. | 21:17 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on then. | 21:18 |
| mestery | #topic Team Discussion Topics | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Team Discussion Topics (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:18 | |
| mestery | First one: networks without subnets. | 21:18 |
| * mestery doesn't see beagles here. :( | 21:18 | |
| * mestery does see ijw here. :( | 21:18 | |
| mestery | ijw: Just kidding. :) | 21:18 |
| otherwiseguy | mestery: beagles is unfortunately on vacation. | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | I have a simple comment here. Either we make them work properly or we disallow them. | 21:18 |
| ijw | Charmed, I'm sure | 21:18 |
| * otherwiseguy votes for 'make them work' | 21:19 | |
| * salv-orlando definition of properly is left to community consensus. | 21:19 | |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 21:19 |
| mestery | ijw: Work for you? | 21:19 |
| ijw | I don't know what beagles' use case is. Mine is the standard NFV 'let me send stuff' one, where I'm equally willing to ignore a port address. | 21:19 |
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| ijw | I have opinions about which way we should do that but overriding issue here is 'let me send stuff' and I'll take anything that does that | 21:20 |
| regXboi | well now, that is .... *embarrassing* | 21:20 |
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| s3wong | lost our chair | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | ijw: “let me send stuff” pretty much means: give me just a l2 transport and get out of the way? | 21:20 |
| ijw | Yeah, basically. | 21:20 |
| sgordon | ijw, beagles is basically the same | 21:20 |
| mestery | My IRC lcient just crashed | 21:20 |
| ijw | The presence or absence of subnet is a little bit of a red herring, though it is a bug and it is embarrassing. | 21:20 |
| regXboi | mestery: you only missed one line | 21:21 |
| rkukura | is provider network with external DHCP a use case? | 21:21 |
| thorst | our team also has a use case where we need L2 transport only. | 21:21 |
| sgordon | ijw, red herring or not, it worked with nova-net | 21:21 |
| ijw | Also we confuse antispoof and secgroups, but that's a fine grained issue we can discuss offline. | 21:21 |
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| sgordon | ijw, and is what initially ticked them off | 21:21 |
| ijw | OK, I hadn't realised that's where beagles was coming from | 21:21 |
| mestery | sgordon: If this is a nova parity item, then I suspect we have to support it. | 21:21 |
| sgordon | ijw, i think part of beagles' concern is that the net w/o subnet case may slip by the wayside | 21:21 |
| mestery | I think it makes sense regardless of that, to be honest. | 21:21 |
| sgordon | ijw, as it's a side effect of the current proposals | 21:21 |
| ijw | sgordon: The issue is that users rarely intend to do it ime | 21:21 |
| sgordon | ijw, rather than part of the intent | 21:21 |
| ijw | create net, create vm, oh look I can talk to *everybody*... once I get an address from somewhere... | 21:22 |
| ijw | But let's take this up on the ML. Sorry to go on, but here's probably not the place for detailed discussion. | 21:23 |
| mestery | ijw: ++ | 21:23 |
| * markmcclain adds parity item to track | 21:23 | |
| regXboi | I will point out mestery's point | 21:23 |
| mestery | Can we use Brent's thread for this discussion? | 21:23 |
| regXboi | if this is a parity item.... | 21:23 |
| sgordon | mestery, i hope so | 21:23 |
| * mestery thanks markmcclain for tracking this. | 21:23 | |
| mestery | sgordon: Lets continue the discussion there. /cc ijw | 21:23 |
| sgordon | mestery, part of it was just trying to bring together all the competing proposals in this area | 21:23 |
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| mestery | sgordon: There are a lot of them, yes. | 21:24 |
| * mestery suspects this could be the first user of the SPD/SAD exception process ... | 21:24 | |
| mestery | But I digress. | 21:24 |
| mestery | OK, next item is multinode deployment. | 21:24 |
| mestery | I am not sure who added this item. | 21:24 |
| emagana | mestery: me | 21:25 |
| mestery | Ah, looks like emagana. | 21:25 |
| mestery | emagana: Hi! :) | 21:25 |
| emagana | sorry, in and out of the meeting | 21:25 |
| mestery | emagana: No worries, and thanks for highlighting this infra spec here. | 21:25 |
| emagana | mestery: I just want guys to comment on the BP.. is WIP and early work | 21:25 |
| mestery | I think everyone should review this. | 21:25 |
| mestery | emagana: ++ | 21:25 |
| carl_baldwin | carl_baldwin: will review it. | 21:25 |
| emagana | Thanks! | 21:26 |
| mestery | Thanks emagana! | 21:26 |
| mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:26 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Hi! | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | lots of work completed last week | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | hopefully once we can clear anna's hold we can merge the healing migration | 21:26 |
| mestery | It was a good week of working on nova parity indeed. | 21:27 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++!!! | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | this will unblock work on enabling grenade | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | the dvr folks made good progress and oleg made progress migration | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | it was great to get everyone in the same room for heads down hacking | 21:28 |
| mestery | It was a great experience for sure! | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 21:28 |
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| * mestery notes everyone left before the weather turned in Minnesota as well. | 21:28 | |
| mestery | Thanks for the update markmcclain! | 21:28 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:29 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Hi there! | 21:29 |
| mestery | regXboi: Are you covering this today? | 21:29 |
| regXboi | mestery: yo | 21:29 |
| regXboi | yes | 21:29 |
| regXboi | While I wasn't in MN, I spent part of the week working up from the bottom on the open doc bugs | 21:29 |
| regXboi | I've added thoughts/comments/status on them to the wiki page | 21:29 |
| regXboi | folks can look and react on the ML | 21:29 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Thanks! | 21:30 |
| regXboi | I plan on continuing up the page as I have time as well | 21:30 |
| phil_h | top | 21:30 |
| mestery | I encourage folks to read regXboi's notes in detail in the meeting minutes. | 21:31 |
| mestery | Thanks for the update regXboi! | 21:31 |
| regXboi | welcome | 21:31 |
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| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:31 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi! | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | mestery: hi | 21:31 |
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| mlavalle | my report today is really a summary of what we acomplished last week during the sprint | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | we trained two new developers, ohara and Simeon | 21:32 |
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| mlavalle | with those two developers we were able to write tests for the new LBaaS: | 21:33 |
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| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106089/ | 21:33 |
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| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106462 | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | Simeon developed a FWaaS / VPNaaS scenario test: | 21:33 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106089/ | 21:33 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106462 | 21:34 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106473/ | 21:34 |
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| mlavalle | I also had conversations to make sure we are covering DVR and keeping track of the extensions to the API for nova parity | 21:35 |
| mlavalle | that's what I have this week | 21:35 |
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| mestery | Thanks mlavalle! | 21:36 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:36 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: hi! | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Lot’s of great work on DVR last week. Thanks to those who pitched in. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | We worked out some outstanding issues with the patches. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | We have a devstack patch that should allow anyone to get a DVR enabled devsatck. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve almost got a Jenkins running tests on DVR enabled code for before merge. Looking in to making that a gate job (non-voting) for after. | 21:37 |
| ajo | nice | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re can’t merge until after db migration. | 21:38 |
| carl_baldwin | er healing. | 21:38 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I explicitely -2 the dvr patches that have db migrations | 21:38 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Yes, hopefully that merges soon! | 21:38 |
| mestery | armax: thanks! | 21:38 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: only one is affected by it | 21:38 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, mestery: as we need to change the migration_for_plugins variable | 21:39 |
| carl_baldwin | After that merges, I think we’re about ready to start merging the first DVR patches. | 21:39 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Thanks. | 21:39 |
| armax | but we’ve been seeing quite a turnout of reviews, so I am getting confident that the first set of patches should be ready to land | 21:39 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin armax: ++ | 21:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m also starting a list of smaller follow up items to work out during Juno-2 - 3. | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | HA routing spec merged. | 21:40 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: There was an issue with port binding which rkukura noted, did you two get a chance to talk with armax about that? | 21:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: Not yet. Will soon. | 21:40 |
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| armax | mestery, carl_baldwin I think there was this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, right. | 21:40 |
| mestery | armax: That's the one | 21:40 |
| rkukura | mestery, armax: I’ll start with comments in the review, then we can discuss. | 21:41 |
| mestery | rkukura: Is that one ready to merge before DVR? I think that was the plan, right? | 21:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, armax had originally brought that to my attention. | 21:41 |
| mestery | rkukura: ^^^ | 21:41 |
| armax | mestery: if we want to let that one in first then we need to review one of the dvr patches | 21:41 |
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| rkukura | I think that one is ready - just updated today with resolutions to latest comments | 21:41 |
| mestery | armax: Yes, that was what rkukura was suggesting I thnk. | 21:41 |
| armax | or viceversa, but it shouldn’t be diffcult | 21:41 |
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| mestery | armax: Thoughts? | 21:41 |
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| armax | mestery: we could let that one in first | 21:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll review that one. If it is ready then I think we can deal with it. Otherwise, it has to get behind db healing, dvr, etc. armax: what do you think? | 21:42 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I’d say db healing first | 21:42 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin armax rkukura: OK, lets merge rkukura's before DVR then. | 21:42 |
| armax | then between the first set of dvr patches and rkukura’s patch there’s no priority | 21:43 |
| rkukura | the ml2 port binding patch doesn’t touch any DB models, so it should be able to get in any time | 21:43 |
| mestery | #info Team to try and merge rkukura's patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/) before DVR patch. | 21:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: rkukura: agreed | 21:43 |
| rkukura | mestery: thanks! | 21:43 |
| mestery | Great! | 21:43 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: One other thing: The BGP BP was approved today and marked for Juno-3. | 21:43 |
| armax | the order is between https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102101/ | 21:43 |
| zhhuabj | mestery: sound good | 21:43 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Great. | 21:43 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Also, the route order BP. | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Mine? | 21:44 |
| * mestery looks | 21:44 | |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/juno/route-order.rst | 21:44 |
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| mestery | I think that was Zang's | 21:44 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94563/ | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh. Right. | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | I +2’ed router order bp a while ago. I think it is a low impact one? | 21:44 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, I think so too. | 21:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | Great. Should be low impact. | 21:45 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Lots happening on L3! | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, there is. | 21:45 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks for driving this stuff and leading it! | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Glad to help. That is all I have. | 21:46 |
| carl_baldwin | One more: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/juno/l3-agent-responsiveness.rst | 21:46 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ That merged and the code is ready. | 21:46 |
| carl_baldwin | That is really all I have. | 21:46 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Excellent! | 21:46 |
| mestery | thanks carl_baldwin! | 21:46 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPv6 (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:46 | |
| mestery | sc68cal: Hi! | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | Most work is currently relying on the radvd patch to land, which needs unit test coverage (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102648/) | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: ++ to that. | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | The other thing I wanted to bring up, is at some point in the future we're going to need to look at 3rd party CI systems and plugins that don't support IPV6 | 21:48 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Is that something we need to do in Juno, or can we do it in K? | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: I think that v6 support should be a must in K | 21:48 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | I believe the radvd patch will add another unit test that will need to be skipped in one convergence, since they fail on creating a v6 subnet | 21:48 |
| mestery | I think deferring to K is the right thing. | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | agree on K deferral, but something to keep in mind, obviously we need to get our house in order first, but it should be shortly | 21:49 |
| * markmcclain wishes we had declared v6 required for J | 21:49 | |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | I'll be glad to stand up declare it during the summit :) | 21:49 |
| mestery | sc68cal: :P | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | that's all for me | 21:49 |
| ijw_ | I think you'd have to define what 'ipv6' was before you could do that - we still keep finding the odd shortcoming | 21:49 |
| marun | sounds like something that could benefit from functional coverage, too | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | I think we can at least say, you need to allow the creation of an ipv6 subnet | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | it may not work, but hey you'll have parity with where we were in Havana and Icehouse | 21:50 |
| sc68cal | where it is created then doesn't work ;) | 21:50 |
| mestery | marun: ++ | 21:50 |
| mestery | OK, thanks sc68cal! | 21:50 |
| mestery | #info IPV6 support will be required for all plugins in K release. | 21:51 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:51 |
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| mestery | rkukura Sukhdev: Hi! | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Hi | 21:51 |
| rkukura | go ahead Sukhdev | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | We cancelled the ML2 meeting this week | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | Both rkukura and I were in MN | 21:51 |
| rkukura | last week, not this ;) | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | Opps - yes :-) | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | I see few ML2 specs merged this week - thanks to the cores | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | Just as an Info - | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/MigrationFromNovaNetwork/HowTo is the wiki for what we did in MN | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | For the benefit of wider audiance, we had live migration of the VMs from Nova network to Neutron | 21:53 |
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| Sukhdev | with a 1 sec or outage | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks to Oleg and Mohammand for their support | 21:53 |
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| ijw_ | Sukhdev: sexy | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: that is all I have | 21:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: want to add anything | 21:54 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 21:54 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:54 |
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| rkukura | nope - we will be meeting this week | 21:54 |
| Sukhdev | ijw_: yes, indeed | 21:54 |
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| nlahouti | a question regarding reviewing code for approved BPs targeted for juno-2. Does it mean all the review should be done by 7/24? | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | for those that missed it… the K name poll is still available | 21:55 |
| mestery | markmcclain: link? | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/openstack-k-naming | 21:55 |
| mestery | nlahouti: 7/24 is when Juno-2 will be cut. | 21:55 |
| ijw_ | NFV: we still have an unapproved but high impact VLAN transparent network spec, and I would - if remotely possible - like to get an MTU spec approved. | 21:55 |
| mestery | ijw_: Is the MTU spec filed already? | 21:55 |
| ijw_ | Yup | 21:56 |
| mestery | thanks markmcclain! | 21:56 |
| ijw_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/mtu-selection-and-advertisement | 21:56 |
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| ijw_ | Even if only the first patches of it get in I'd like to make a try | 21:56 |
| mestery | ijw_: I mean, a spec in neutron specs. :) | 21:56 |
| ijw_ | https://review.openstack.org/105989 | 21:57 |
| * marun fires up a botnet to win the unsecured naming poll | 21:57 | |
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| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 21:57 |
| mestery | Just a note, I'll be pruning some things out of Juno-2 tonight/tomorrow as well. | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | marun that’s the sequence of words that over irc will be detected by another botnet which will bring the police to your door | 21:58 |
| mestery | We have a lot left to land and not much time. | 21:58 |
| mestery | Just a heads up if your BP moves to the right a bit. | 21:58 |
| marun | salv-orlando: i mean, what's not to like about kleber? | 21:58 |
| ijw_ | I'm fairly sure you can always find surprising corner cases with MTUs until we do something to fix it properly, and I notice that in small print in the Redhat docs is something saying 'set your guest MTUs to 1400' - which is (a) a copout and (b) also not going to work in certain cases anyway | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | I remember a brazilian footballer by that name | 21:58 |
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| mestery | See you all on the ML and IRC's. :) | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 14 21:59:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-14-21.02.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-14-21.02.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-14-21.02.log.html | 21:59 |
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| marun | ciao! | 21:59 |
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| armax | bye | 21:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 21:59 |
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