| cyeoh | #startmeeting nova-api | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 4 00:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-api)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi - who's here today? | 00:01 |
| oomichi | hello | 00:01 |
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| cyeoh | hrm I wonderif people are on holiday because of the 4th of july holiday | 00:03 |
| oomichi | yes, maybe right | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | given lack of attendance I guess will just cancel. | 00:04 |
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| cyeoh | but do you have anything in particular that you'd like reviewed (tempest or nova) I'll be doing a bit of a review catch up today | 00:04 |
| oomichi | agree, and we can chat on the other channel | 00:04 |
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| oomichi | I have one review. | 00:06 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104418/ | 00:06 |
| oomichi | for microversion spec. | 00:06 |
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| cyeoh | ok will have a look at it. thx! | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | I'll end the meeting now | 00:07 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: thanks, that is all from me today. | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 00:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 4 00:07:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-04-00.01.html | 00:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-04-00.01.txt | 00:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-07-04-00.01.log.html | 00:07 |
| oomichi | cyeoh: see you again | 00:07 |
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| cyeoh | oomichi: cya! | 00:09 |
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| sajeesh | testing | 15:53 |
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| sajeesh | ping nirbhay | 15:57 |
| nirbhay | testing | 15:57 |
| sajeesh | ok | 15:58 |
| schwicke | hi | 15:58 |
| sajeesh | hi | 15:58 |
| sajeesh | shwicke,I have just send a mail | 15:58 |
| schwicke | thunderstorm in Geneva : hope there'll be no power cut ... | 15:58 |
| schwicke | saw it | 15:58 |
| nirbhay | hi sajeesh | 15:58 |
| raildo | hi all | 15:58 |
| sajeesh | hope so ..here also heavy rain is there | 15:58 |
| sajeesh | hi raildo | 15:59 |
| sajeesh | hi nirbhay | 15:59 |
| sajeesh | raildo,just now I have send you a mail | 15:59 |
| nirbhay | hi | 15:59 |
| raildo | sajeesh: I was reading it right now. | 15:59 |
| sajeesh | ok | 15:59 |
| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 4 16:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:00 |
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| schwicke | here we go | 16:00 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:00 |
| schwicke | #info welcome to nirbhay | 16:00 |
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| schwicke | there are a couple of things to be discussed I think | 16:01 |
| nirbhay | thanks schwicke | 16:01 |
| raildo | #info welcome to rodrigods | 16:01 |
| rodrigods | hi all | 16:01 |
| raildo | he work with me | 16:01 |
| sajeesh | In raildo's blueprint it has been written that,domain_id will renamed to parent_project_id. Whether domains will be dropped ? | 16:01 |
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| schwicke | #info welcome to rodrigods ! | 16:01 |
| sajeesh | hi rodrigods..welcome | 16:01 |
| schwicke | let's start with the design document I suggest | 16:02 |
| rodrigods | thanks, please continue | 16:02 |
| sajeesh | ok fine | 16:02 |
| schwicke | #topic discussion of the design document circulated by Sajeesh | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion of the design document circulated by Sajeesh (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:02 | |
| raildo | The concept domain is not removed, it is the root of the hierarchy. | 16:03 |
| schwicke | I understand though that there are no specific quotas for domains to be implemented, right ? | 16:03 |
| raildo | what is being proposed is using only use the domain_id column as parent_project_id. | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:03 |
| raildo | I think the problem is that the other services do not know domain | 16:04 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:04 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, right, AFAIK | 16:05 |
| schwicke | I think so | 16:06 |
| schwicke | for the initial implementation I'd be tempted to ignore the domain from the quota perspective. | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:07 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:07 |
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| rodrigods | ++ | 16:07 |
| schwicke | ok, so lets do that | 16:07 |
| raildo | in future, we can think in use this BPs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/domain-quota-driver-api , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/domain-quota-driver | 16:08 |
| schwicke | #AGREED no special treatment of domains is implemened for nova. We'll just ignore them for now | 16:08 |
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| schwicke | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/domain-quota-driver-api , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/domain-quota-driver | 16:08 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:08 |
| schwicke | let's move on | 16:08 |
| raildo | ok | 16:08 |
| sajeesh | schwicke shall we discuss about getting the parent projects | 16:08 |
| schwicke | there was a discussion about how far up we need to go in the tree | 16:08 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: yes | 16:09 |
| schwicke | #topic getting the parent projects | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "getting the parent projects (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:09 | |
| sajeesh | schwicke,that depends on the role of person who is acting on the child project | 16:09 |
| schwicke | so let's say we have a user of project E with rights in C, D by inheritance | 16:09 |
| schwicke | The question is if he needs to know about A and B or not. And that depends on which kind of quota we are storing | 16:10 |
| schwicke | did I get it right ? | 16:10 |
| raildo | yes | 16:10 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:10 |
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| rodrigods | if it doesn't know about A and B, if it creates a new instance in E, there is an inconsistence problem over there | 16:11 |
| sajeesh | evenif he knows about A and B,he cannot do anything on it. | 16:11 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:11 |
| schwicke | I think if we store the used quota at the project level then we have to go up to the root | 16:11 |
| raildo | rodrigods: +1 | 16:11 |
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| sajeesh | shwicke, can you please eloborate that point | 16:12 |
| schwicke | rodirgods: can you give an example ? | 16:12 |
| schwicke | I think the used quota can be obtained on the fly by summing the usage of the current project plus all its children, right ? | 16:13 |
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| schwicke | So there is no need to store that | 16:13 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:13 |
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| schwicke | We need to store the limit at each project level | 16:13 |
| raildo | schwicke: i agree | 16:14 |
| rodrigods | if A has 100 of free quota, C has quota 10. An user with a role in C and D requests a new instance in C with quota 10. Shoudn't the free quota from A be updated to 90? | 16:14 |
| schwicke | but if John changes the quota in C, D or E that does not affect the total quota in A or B, right ? | 16:14 |
| raildo | if C, D, E are childrens of B and A, should be changed. | 16:15 |
| schwicke | The free quota is the limit minus the used quota, isn't it ? | 16:15 |
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| schwicke | so no need to store that either so noting to update in A | 16:15 |
| sajeesh | rodrigods,a user having a role in A should update it | 16:15 |
| schwicke | correct me if I'm wrong guys! | 16:15 |
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| rodrigods | sajeesh, manually? | 16:16 |
| schwicke | I think that the only quota that we need to store is the limit | 16:16 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:16 |
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| sajeesh | rodrigods,yes | 16:16 |
| schwicke | What we have to check though if John updates C is that the usage of B is not exceeded. | 16:17 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:17 |
| schwicke | So it should be enough to know the children and the immediate parent | 16:17 |
| schwicke | right ? | 16:17 |
| sajeesh | rodigods,scope of a user is limited upto the project he has role.Beyond that automatic updation cannot happen | 16:17 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, right | 16:17 |
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| raildo | IMO, the problem here is independent of the role. The problem is to maintain the consistency of data. | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | shwicke,children should know about immediate parent only | 16:18 |
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| raildo | If you do not update A and B, apparent that C, D, E are not part of the hierarchy, which is not true. | 16:19 |
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| schwicke | we agree that A is the root of the tree in this example, right >? | 16:19 |
| sajeesh | raildo,a user having no role in A and B cannot update it | 16:19 |
| schwicke | raildo: can you give an example where this can go wrong ? | 16:20 |
| rodrigods | sajeesh, the update is not made by the user, IMO. Once a user request some quota from below the hierarchy, this change should be reflected through its parents | 16:20 |
| raildo | Imagine if we'd quota domain and projetc. This would be like to create an instance, I would update the quota project and not update the quota field. That would be wrong. | 16:21 |
| raildo | sajeesh: Why not? Even though he did not rule on that project, he is a child (or grandchild, or whatever) it. | 16:22 |
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| sajeesh | raildo, shwicke shall we discuss this matter through detailed email | 16:23 |
| raildo | sajeesh: ok, no problem | 16:24 |
| schwicke | I think we should try to sort that out. | 16:24 |
| schwicke | It's pretty important | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | ok fine...thanks | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | it is very very important | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | let's elaborate a simple example | 16:24 |
| schwicke | Yes. | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | an hierarchy like? A -> B -> C | 16:24 |
| schwicke | fine | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:24 |
| schwicke | restart from scratch | 16:24 |
| rodrigods | user1 has role member in B and C | 16:25 |
| schwicke | So A is the root | 16:25 |
| rodrigods | and user2 has role member in A, B and C | 16:25 |
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| schwicke | define "member" | 16:25 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, a role that has permissions to create instances, for example | 16:25 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:26 |
| nirbhay | ok | 16:26 |
| schwicke | that does not give you the right yet to create a sub-project, does it ? | 16:26 |
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| rodrigods | schwicke, let's say no | 16:26 |
| schwicke | OK | 16:26 |
| rodrigods | quotas: A=100, B=50, C=25 | 16:26 |
| schwicke | Quota of A can only be changed by the cloud admin | 16:27 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, yeah | 16:27 |
| schwicke | Let's distinguish 2 roles: | 16:27 |
| schwicke | A member can only create VMs within the projects to which he belongs | 16:28 |
| schwicke | A project admin can create sub-projects and set their quotas | 16:28 |
| schwicke | OK ? | 16:28 |
| rodrigods | ok | 16:28 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:28 |
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| rodrigods | let's say user1 with role member, creates an instance in C that uses 15 of quota | 16:28 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:29 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:29 |
| rodrigods | what happens with the free quota from the role tree? | 16:29 |
| rodrigods | whole tree* | 16:29 |
| raildo | A= 85, b=35, c=10? | 16:29 |
| schwicke | nothing | 16:29 |
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| schwicke | The quota values are the ceilings. They stay as they are | 16:30 |
| schwicke | Let's say the quota is in number of VMS | 16:30 |
| sajeesh | it depends on how much free quota C is having | 16:30 |
| rodrigods | free quota, I meant | 16:30 |
| schwicke | so anybody belonging to C can still create instances consuming 10 quota | 16:30 |
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| raildo | in the case od rodrigods, that would be the free quota of each project. | 16:31 |
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| nirbhay | ok | 16:31 |
| sajeesh | ok....it C is having free quota of 25,then if it uses 15 ,then there will no change in the tree | 16:31 |
| schwicke | yes, we need to decide on what we want to store here. | 16:31 |
| sajeesh | free quota of C will get reduced to 10 | 16:32 |
| schwicke | yes | 16:32 |
| raildo | schwicke: Currently in Nova, there are three tables for quotas: Quotas, quota usage, reservations. You do not intend to follow the same pattern? | 16:32 |
| schwicke | hmm | 16:33 |
| schwicke | we probably have to | 16:33 |
| sajeesh | I want to add allocation...but that need to be decided | 16:34 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: I think raildo is right. If we already have the quota usage at each level then we need the full tree ... | 16:34 |
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| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:35 |
| raildo | schwicke: I believe that you understood what I wanted to say. | 16:35 |
| schwicke | I'd prefer if we could retrieve the usage on the fly instead | 16:35 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, yeah, that approach ltgm | 16:36 |
| schwicke | thinking loud ... that would be a major change which we should avoid | 16:36 |
| sajeesh | schwicke ,raildo as I said I require a detailed discussion before we freeze the design | 16:36 |
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| sajeesh | through mail....shall we freeze the design in our next meeting | 16:37 |
| schwicke | what I don't like very much is that I see the risk that the used quota gets out of date | 16:37 |
| schwicke | we can have a summary on this by e-mail. | 16:37 |
| raildo | schwicke: ok | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | I will write a more detailed documentation | 16:38 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: the point is that if we have to store the used quota that value will always change even at the root of the tree | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:38 |
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| schwicke | ok, let's summaries the disucssion via e-mail | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:38 |
| rodrigods | please add me as CC: rodrigods@lsd.ufcg.edu.br | 16:38 |
| schwicke | ACTION: summarize the used quota issue via e-mail | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | rodrigods,sure | 16:39 |
| schwicke | #ACTION: summarize the used quota issue via e-mail | 16:39 |
| schwicke | (sorry) | 16:39 |
| schwicke | is there any other issue which is blocking finalizing the design ? | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | no | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | we will be able to freeze the design in our next meeting | 16:40 |
| schwicke | I'd be tempted to say that we have to go for a full tree access and update the used quota each time a new instance is created, and later on see if that can be improved by getting this info on the fly | 16:40 |
| schwicke | So let's move on | 16:41 |
| raildo | rodrigods is implementing the delete project in the hierarchy, as we discussed. I believe that he can speak a little of how it's going. | 16:41 |
| sajeesh | shwicke,I will think about it | 16:41 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:41 |
| raildo | #topic delete project | 16:41 |
| schwicke | I think the idea was to restrict ourselves in the first iteration to have only the option to delete the leaves, right ? | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:42 |
| rodrigods | yeah | 16:42 |
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| rodrigods | we only have to check whether the target "project_id" is parent_project_id from another project | 16:43 |
| schwicke | correct | 16:43 |
| sajeesh | right | 16:44 |
| rodrigods | that's almost complete, but has the dependency of the changes in the project table | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:44 |
| rodrigods | if a new column parent_project_id will be added | 16:44 |
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| rodrigods | or if domain_id will be renamed and the data from domains table migrated | 16:44 |
| schwicke | rodrigods: this is in keystone,right ? | 16:45 |
| raildo | schwicke: yes | 16:45 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:45 |
| schwicke | I wonder if we should touch the domain stuff | 16:45 |
| sajeesh | for the time being,I think we should not touch | 16:46 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:47 |
| rodrigods | ok | 16:47 |
| rodrigods | makes sense to me | 16:47 |
| rodrigods | add a new column, then | 16:47 |
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| schwicke | by feeling would be taht renaming the domain_id is calling for trouble | 16:47 |
| schwicke | s/taht/that/ | 16:47 |
| schwicke | :) | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:48 |
| schwicke | so shall we go for that ? | 16:48 |
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| raildo | I had thought of this solution first, but ayoung, dolphm, asked me to make this change. But I'm more relaxed creating a new column. | 16:49 |
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| rodrigods | if keystone folks step the foot in renaming, we can do that, but let's not touch in it for now | 16:49 |
| rodrigods | makes sense? | 16:49 |
| schwicke | hope then they will accept this | 16:49 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:49 |
| raildo | yes | 16:50 |
| schwicke | +1 | 16:50 |
| schwicke | #AGREED don't touch the domain stuff in keystone but rather add a new column for the parent project | 16:50 |
| schwicke | 10min left | 16:50 |
| raildo | I'll update the spec | 16:50 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:50 |
| raildo | we have something else to discuss? | 16:51 |
| schwicke | I think we still need to clarify about using keystone API V3 | 16:51 |
| schwicke | #topic keystone API version to be used | 16:51 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:51 |
| schwicke | my understanding is that we don't have much of a choice here, do we ? | 16:51 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 16:52 |
| sajeesh | I am afraid,no | 16:52 |
| raildo | to use Inherited roles is necessary using keystone API v3 | 16:52 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:52 |
| schwicke | +1 | 16:52 |
| raildo | there is no other option. | 16:52 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:52 |
| schwicke | #AGREED: we have to use keystone API V3 | 16:52 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:52 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:52 |
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| schwicke | for the next meeting I think we need to think a bout about roles | 16:53 |
| schwicke | can prepare this via e-mail | 16:53 |
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| sajeesh | yes I will send a detailed document | 16:53 |
| schwicke | that's coming back to our inital discussion | 16:53 |
| schwicke | sajeesh: we could be a bit more explicit on that in your design document eventually. | 16:54 |
| sajeesh | schwicke,sure | 16:54 |
| schwicke | Anything else for today ? | 16:54 |
| sajeesh | nothing | 16:54 |
| schwicke | I have something | 16:54 |
| raildo | let's go watch the world cup! | 16:54 |
| raildo | =] | 16:54 |
| schwicke | #TOPIC meeting time | 16:54 |
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| schwicke | is everybody comfortable with the time of the meeting ? | 16:55 |
| sajeesh | I am ok | 16:55 |
| schwicke | for me it clashes a bit with dinner. Not a big issue though | 16:55 |
| raildo | no :( Here in Brazil this time is not very comfortable. | 16:55 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, lunch time here | 16:56 |
| schwicke | shall we have it one hour earlier ? | 16:56 |
| schwicke | think about it. We'll see next week | 16:56 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:56 |
| raildo | maybe, 2 hours? | 16:56 |
| raildo | would be perfect for us. | 16:56 |
| schwicke | that would be 4pm in Geneva | 16:56 |
| schwicke | would be good for us | 16:56 |
| sajeesh | 2 hours will be difficult for me ..one and a half hours ? | 16:57 |
| rodrigods | and 11am in Brazil | 16:57 |
| schwicke | right, we have to think about India as well :) | 16:57 |
| raildo | yes | 16:57 |
| schwicke | let's discuss offline | 16:57 |
| raildo | yeah | 16:57 |
| rodrigods | yeah | 16:57 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:57 |
| schwicke | #agreed : discuss better timing offline | 16:57 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 4 16:57:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-04-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-04-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-07-04-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
| raildo | bye guys | 16:57 |
| rodrigods | see you guys next week | 16:57 |
| rodrigods | bye | 16:58 |
| schwicke | bye | 16:58 |
| sajeesh | good bye | 16:58 |
| schwicke | have a nice weekend | 16:58 |
| raildo | you too | 16:58 |
| rodrigods | you too | 16:58 |
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| sajeesh | nice weekend | 16:58 |
| schwicke | need to check Germany against France :) | 16:58 |
| rodrigods | schwicke, ++ | 16:58 |
| schwicke | CU | 16:58 |
| rodrigods | +100 | 16:58 |
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| schwicke | hey, I have a clash here being German and living in France :-P | 16:58 |
| nirbhay | bye | 16:58 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:59 |
| sajeesh | :-) | 16:59 |
| nirbhay | hi sajjesh | 17:01 |
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