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sarob | Training manuals will be on openstack-meeting-alt | 16:56 |
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sc68cal | anteaya: o/ | 16:59 |
anteaya | hi | 16:59 |
anteaya | why are you calling me in the meeting channel? | 16:59 |
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sc68cal | hmmm my calendar says the thrid party meeting starts now :-\ | 17:00 |
sc68cal | but it's not 18UTC.... damn outlook | 17:00 |
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luqas | sc68cal: yes it is | 17:01 |
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luqas | oh no! | 17:01 |
luqas | dammit | 17:01 |
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sc68cal | luqas: did someone mess up the ical export? I noticed my ipv6 subteam meeting was off by an hour | 17:03 |
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luqas | sc68cal: I don't know, I don't use it, my problem was due to the daylight svaing time change... | 17:05 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon May 19 18:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 18:00 |
mestery | o/ | 18:00 |
david-lyle | o/ | 18:00 |
armax | here | 18:00 |
akerr | o/ | 18:00 |
bruff | o/ | 18:00 |
luqas | hi | 18:01 |
sc68cal | o/ | 18:01 |
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krtaylor | o/ | 18:01 |
anteaya | great thanks for being here | 18:01 |
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devananda | o/ | 18:01 |
anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 18:01 |
krtaylor | nice turn out | 18:01 |
anteaya | I have cobbled together an agenda | 18:01 |
anteaya | yes | 18:01 |
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anteaya | lets start with that | 18:02 |
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anteaya | #topic Welcome and discussion of format and goals (anteaya) | 18:02 |
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anteaya | so welcome | 18:02 |
anteaya | thanks for being here on the first day after summit | 18:02 |
jaypipes | o/ | 18:02 |
anteaya | and a holiday for some | 18:02 |
anteaya | yay | 18:02 |
chuckC | hi | 18:02 |
anteaya | so for starters this venue is a group effort | 18:03 |
anteaya | myself, krtaylor and jaypipes have agreed to share the leadership baton on this one | 18:03 |
anteaya | so we will be taking turns doing what needs to be done | 18:03 |
anteaya | so the first thing we need to discuss is our goals for this space and how we will format the meetings | 18:04 |
anteaya | I have started an etherpad | 18:04 |
anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-meeting-format | 18:04 |
anteaya | let's look at that | 18:04 |
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anteaya | please remember to indicate your name in the top right corner of the etherpad | 18:05 |
anteaya | one of the things I think is important to remember and remind all present is the openstack mission | 18:05 |
anteaya | The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:05 |
anteaya | sorry that should have a tag | 18:06 |
anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:06 |
anteaya | there will be some participants in this space that might not already know that | 18:06 |
anteaya | I think this is an important place to begin | 18:06 |
anteaya | I also have included links to info about the foundation and tc, if those attending need that info | 18:07 |
anteaya | any comments or feedback thus far? | 18:07 |
asselin | o/ | 18:07 |
mestery | My only comment is I am happy to see this meeting on the docket going forward! It's important to share information cross project on this topic. Thanks anteaya! | 18:07 |
anteaya | great, thanks mestery | 18:07 |
anteaya | okay, let's look at goals | 18:07 |
krtaylor | I have 4 areas of organization that I have been using to frame this - 1) bootstrapping 2) documentation 3) requirements 4) consumability of infra components | 18:08 |
jaypipes | #note stuff to merge/rework into wiki: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-workshop | 18:08 |
anteaya | line 9 of the etherpad | 18:08 |
anteaya | can we spend some time on goals first? | 18:08 |
anteaya | any objection to discussing goals? | 18:08 |
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jaypipes | go for it. | 18:08 |
krtaylor | nope | 18:08 |
anteaya | great | 18:08 |
anteaya | line 9 of the etherpad | 18:09 |
sc68cal | LGTM | 18:09 |
anteaya | I have tried to capture my goals for this space in those 4 points | 18:09 |
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anteaya | I will copy and paste for the record keeping | 18:09 |
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anteaya | #info Purpose of this use of space and time: | 18:09 |
anteaya | * get OpenStack leads talking to other OpenStack leads about issues and solutions in the third party space | 18:09 |
anteaya | * to work towards a common interface for third party folks who may have contact with multiple projects | 18:09 |
anteaya | * to provide a forum for the curious and for OpenStack programs who are not yet in this space but may be in the future | 18:09 |
anteaya | * to encourage questions from third party folks and support the sourcing of answers | 18:09 |
anteaya | and jaypipes is adding a point | 18:10 |
anteaya | for those not familiar with etherpad, you are welcome to add your thoughts as we go along | 18:10 |
anteaya | please participate | 18:10 |
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anteaya | great so jaypipes point is to not just talk but use the verbs document and annotate | 18:11 |
anteaya | good point, and I agree | 18:11 |
jaypipes | ya | 18:11 |
anteaya | krtaylor: are you line 15? | 18:11 |
anteaya | can you expand in channel a bit? | 18:11 |
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krtaylor | sure, we discussed a bit at one of the sessions, can't remember which atm | 18:12 |
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akerr | is this stuff like packaging up elastic-recheck for easy deployment in 3rd party systems? | 18:13 |
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jaypipes | akerr: that's a great idea. | 18:13 |
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jaypipes | akerr: not sure krtaylor's point was specific to that, but related. | 18:13 |
anteaya | akerr: I'm not sure elastic-recheck is part of what is necessary for a third-party ci system to function | 18:14 |
krtaylor | elastic recheck would be later I would think, but yes maybe | 18:14 |
anteaya | if we could start with the necessary, I think that might help | 18:14 |
jaypipes | krtaylor: did I explain your point clearly there? | 18:14 |
anteaya | part of what is happening is that folks are a bit all over the map | 18:14 |
krtaylor | yes, at least initially, I was thinking the core services needed to deploy a upstreamish CI in a 3rd party environment | 18:15 |
anteaya | so we need to have the discussion to get folks on the same page | 18:15 |
krtaylor | jaypipes, yes, thats a good summary | 18:15 |
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anteaya | great | 18:15 |
krtaylor | I have started gathering up CI pointers/links | 18:15 |
anteaya | any addtional points we would like to consider under Goals? | 18:16 |
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anteaya | I think that I would like to polish what is there and come back next week to ensure this captures why we are here | 18:16 |
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anteaya | jgriffith: do expand | 18:16 |
jgriffith | anteaya: not sure how :) | 18:17 |
jgriffith | anteaya: so my thing is this... | 18:17 |
anteaya | take a minute | 18:17 |
jgriffith | anteaya: if the gate runs this, you should run it IMO | 18:17 |
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krtaylor | I would like to see general requirements - cross project, then project specific (nova, neutron, etc) | 18:17 |
jgriffith | anteaya: in other words no regex/filtering of tests | 18:17 |
jgriffith | anteaya: we don't do that in the gate, we shouldn't do that for third party plugins | 18:17 |
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bruff | Provide some guidance on hardware size, capability, topology needed to participate. | 18:17 |
jgriffith | IMHO | 18:17 |
anteaya | I think we have moved into specifics | 18:17 |
krtaylor | bruff, +1 | 18:18 |
jgriffith | anteaya: ok... but you asked :) | 18:18 |
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anteaya | I think that fits into the goal of to work towards a common interface | 18:18 |
anteaya | jgriffith: I did, yes | 18:18 |
jgriffith | carry on, I'll get with the program :) | 18:18 |
anteaya | before we move off, I just want to ensure we have captured what people want to offer here | 18:18 |
anteaya | jgriffith: you are doing a great job, thank you | 18:18 |
jgriffith | bruff: +1 | 18:19 |
anteaya | so I'd like to polish what we have for goals and bring it back next week | 18:19 |
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anteaya | let's move to general outline for the meeting | 18:19 |
anteaya | line 18 | 18:19 |
devananda | hardware size to participate will vary by project, i expect | 18:19 |
sc68cal | There will be difficulty with that, at least from Comcast | 18:19 |
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sc68cal | we may not be able to disclose make, model, etc. | 18:20 |
devananda | so some guidance from each PTL will be needed | 18:20 |
jaypipes | bruff: slave VMs should have a minimum of 40G local disk, 4GB memory, and 2 CPU cores, in my experience setting up my CI envs. Master can be smaller... 1 core, 2-4G ram, 10G disk. | 18:20 |
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sc68cal | ah, if you just say X resource, ok we can do that- sorry was thinking more in-depth requirements | 18:20 |
anteaya | can we get back to outline for meeting? | 18:20 |
anteaya | we have slipped into specifices | 18:21 |
jaypipes | sorry... | 18:21 |
anteaya | that is okay | 18:21 |
anteaya | it shows that people want to talk, which is good | 18:21 |
anteaya | let's work on the format for our meetings | 18:21 |
anteaya | I have a suggested format | 18:21 |
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anteaya | Welcome, Announcements, OpenStack program items, Deadlines & Deprecations, Highlighting an Account and Open Discussion | 18:22 |
jaypipes | anteaya: so, I think it would be useful to have a single lead for each week. kind of like a captain... just makes it easier to avoid falling into chaos (as you have rightly noted already here :)... would be good to document that on the etherpad here. | 18:22 |
anteaya | can anyone think of a topic that should get some regular air time | 18:22 |
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anteaya | jaypipes: great, have a designated lead would be good | 18:23 |
anteaya | and yes it can be different people | 18:23 |
krtaylor | +1 | 18:23 |
jaypipes | anteaya: I believe it is important for the first section of a meeting to be a review of open action items from previous week. no more than 4-5 mins, but important to do it consistently. | 18:23 |
mestery | +1 jaypipes | 18:23 |
anteaya | great | 18:23 |
anteaya | can you add that topic? | 18:23 |
jaypipes | anteaya: so, perhaps right after welcome? | 18:24 |
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anteaya | jaypipes: yes, that would be a good place | 18:24 |
jaypipes | done | 18:24 |
anteaya | thanks | 18:24 |
anteaya | staying with meeting format | 18:24 |
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anteaya | anyone else feel a topic needs to be added? | 18:24 |
anteaya | or ammended? | 18:24 |
jaypipes | anteaya: what are your ideas on the OpenStack Program items bullet point? | 18:24 |
jaypipes | anteaya: is that to just let the PTLs talk about action items? or...? | 18:25 |
anteaya | for instance cinder might want to talk to nova about how nova does it's dashboard for third-party ci | 18:25 |
anteaya | that would be a good place for that discussion | 18:25 |
jaypipes | oh, got it. ok. | 18:25 |
anteaya | more cross projecty stuff | 18:25 |
anteaya | since we are all great at reading lists | 18:26 |
anteaya | or questions about an other project's list | 18:26 |
krtaylor | or infra talking about a new idea for a third-party component ? | 18:26 |
anteaya | could be | 18:26 |
anteaya | yes, that would be the space for that | 18:26 |
anteaya | openstack talking to openstack | 18:26 |
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krtaylor | I'd like to see more of that, it would save them time - communicate it once to this subgroup | 18:27 |
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jaypipes | ++ | 18:27 |
anteaya | and third-party talking to third-party would be in the deep dive section | 18:27 |
krtaylor | yes, share best-practices | 18:27 |
anteaya | the highlighting a program or account part of the meeting | 18:27 |
anteaya | yes | 18:27 |
jaypipes | k, I'm good with the format as it is now. | 18:27 |
anteaya | so based on those clarifications, does anyone present feel they do not have a platform for the issues they want to discuss? | 18:28 |
jaypipes | I'm good. | 18:28 |
anteaya | great | 18:28 |
krtaylor | good start, it can evolve | 18:28 |
anteaya | yes | 18:28 |
anteaya | and the agenda will be open so folks can add agenda items as they see fit | 18:29 |
mestery | Looks good to me | 18:29 |
anteaya | and the chair can edit as required | 18:29 |
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anteaya | now I have kind of elected myself to chair and co-ordinate this effort | 18:29 |
anteaya | does anyone feel that someone else could do a better job? | 18:29 |
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anteaya | heh | 18:30 |
* mestery takes two steps back. :) | 18:30 | |
anteaya | okay if that changes at any point, do speak up | 18:30 |
anteaya | :D | 18:30 |
anteaya | alright going back to the agenda for today's meeting | 18:30 |
anteaya | #topic Recognition of OpenStack Programs affected by Third Party testing | 18:31 |
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anteaya | what openstack programs are represented that are affected by these discussions? | 18:31 |
anteaya | infra is | 18:31 |
jaypipes | nova, neutron, cinder, ironic | 18:31 |
jaypipes | at a minimum, | 18:31 |
anteaya | anyone here from nova? | 18:32 |
anteaya | so maybe next meeting we can get someone from nova | 18:32 |
jaypipes | anteaya: I can coordinate with folks from nova. | 18:32 |
anteaya | great | 18:32 |
anteaya | sahara has indicated they are | 18:32 |
anteaya | horizon as well | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | yes, and tripleO | 18:32 |
anteaya | right, tripleO | 18:33 |
devananda | tripleo only in as much as ironic is. | 18:33 |
anteaya | oh okay | 18:33 |
jungleboyj | jaypipes: mriedem has been involved with 3rd party testing in IBM for nova. He is a possible contact. | 18:33 |
devananda | i'm not aware that tripleo has any direct third-party testing aside from the component parts (ironic, neutron, etc) | 18:33 |
anteaya | let's see if we can corral someone from tripleO for the next one | 18:33 |
jaypipes | jungleboyj: coolio. | 18:33 |
krtaylor | jungleboyj, yes, and dansmith | 18:33 |
anteaya | devananda: okay, let's confirm that for next week | 18:33 |
jungleboyj | krtaylor: +1 | 18:33 |
devananda | but it would be good to involve lifeless -- AIUI he does want third-party testing done via tripleo (but it's testing the integration of third-party components of ironic ,neutron, etc...) | 18:34 |
dansmith | what? | 18:34 |
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anteaya | devananda: okay, great we might need a proxy though in case lifeless wants to get some sleep at some time in his life | 18:35 |
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krtaylor | dansmith, we were discussing nova 3rd party - you had new views from summit on what to do to raise the bar | 18:35 |
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dansmith | krtaylor: many folks did, but.. okay :) | 18:35 |
anteaya | we were just identifying which openstack programs are touched by third-party | 18:35 |
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krtaylor | dansmith, maybe when that gets firmed up you can discuss in this meeting | 18:35 |
anteaya | so if we have exhausted that topic, let's move to the next | 18:36 |
anteaya | #topic Recognition of what process we currently have for Third Party testing | 18:36 |
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anteaya | not everyone may be aware that this documentation exists | 18:37 |
anteaya | but we do have some: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:37 |
anteaya | this is under the infra umbrella | 18:37 |
krtaylor | yes and requirements from nova, neutron | 18:37 |
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anteaya | and we welcome patches to the file to keep the information relevant | 18:37 |
anteaya | also individual projects have requirements as krtaylor points out | 18:38 |
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anteaya | do we think it would be good to gather links to these various wikipages in one place? | 18:38 |
jaypipes | ++ | 18:38 |
devananda | ++ | 18:38 |
anteaya | any thoughts on where that should live? | 18:38 |
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devananda | I drafted requirements for ironic a while back and stashed them in our wiki. but consolidating in one place would be better | 18:39 |
jgriffith | anteaya: maybe one single parent wiki page? Or something off of infra? | 18:39 |
anteaya | both good thoughts | 18:39 |
anteaya | let me talk to jeblair about what he would prefer regarding messaging from infra | 18:39 |
anteaya | and I can bring that back to next week's meeting | 18:40 |
anteaya | is that reasonable? | 18:40 |
krtaylor | I'd like to see a cross-project umbrella, but don't have a suggestion, except just do it in the infra page | 18:40 |
krtaylor | yes | 18:40 |
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jgriffith | +1 | 18:40 |
anteaya | messaging meaning where the parent page lives | 18:40 |
anteaya | great so we acknowledge we would like it to live someplace | 18:40 |
krtaylor | +1 the problem is having to find all the info spread all over the place | 18:40 |
anteaya | and we can gather ideas and discuss them for next week | 18:41 |
anteaya | krtaylor: it is a problem, yes | 18:41 |
krtaylor | well, at least an irritation :) | 18:41 |
anteaya | Ironic has a link on the agenda to its wikipage | 18:41 |
anteaya | devananda: did you want to talk more about that? | 18:41 |
anteaya | krtaylor: yes, at least an irritation | 18:41 |
devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Testing#Third_party_CI | 18:41 |
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devananda | anteaya: not sure there's much more to say -- jsut that i'm happy to move that under a cross-project umbrella page, once there is one | 18:42 |
anteaya | oh yeah, I forgot the link before | 18:42 |
anteaya | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:42 |
anteaya | devananda: great, thank you | 18:42 |
anteaya | clarkb: are you about? | 18:42 |
anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-infra-improving-3rd-party-testing | 18:43 |
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anteaya | so during summit clarkb led a session on improving 3rd party testing in the infra track | 18:43 |
anteaya | that is the etherpad for the session | 18:43 |
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anteaya | there are a lot of points on it, and it isn't summarized | 18:44 |
anteaya | I think for now it is sufficient to know it exists | 18:44 |
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clarkb | o/ | 18:44 |
anteaya | yay | 18:45 |
anteaya | feel like sharing some summit points with us? | 18:45 |
clarkb | basically I think we formalized some things around making sure third party testing is useful for developers | 18:45 |
clarkb | we will start requiring specific logging things like timestamps in utc, a localrc (or equivalent), and logs for all services | 18:46 |
mestery | clarkb: Like consistent logs and log formats for test runs? That's something we talked about in the Neutron testing session last week. | 18:46 |
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clarkb | basically developers need a chance at understanding what broke otherwise the -1s will be ignored and the testing won't be useful | 18:46 |
clarkb | the other big thing was contact info | 18:47 |
clarkb | we are going to require a link to a wiki page with a description of what is being tested and who to contact and so on | 18:48 |
clarkb | we don't want thati nt he comments itself ebcause it can be quite verbose but having a place that is explicitly linked to will be helpful | 18:48 |
anteaya | as items get summarized and documented from that etherpad we will communicate them through our regular channels as well as this meeting | 18:48 |
anteaya | thanks clarkb, anything else? | 18:49 |
clarkb | thats it from me. the etherpad is available to anyone to read before this gets written up nicely | 18:50 |
anteaya | okay moving on | 18:50 |
anteaya | great, thank you | 18:50 |
anteaya | #topic Hearing from Third Party testing CI | 18:50 |
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anteaya | is salv-orlando here? | 18:50 |
anteaya | the wiki status page is so pretty | 18:50 |
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anteaya | I wanted you all to see it | 18:50 |
anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NovaVMware/Minesweeper/Status | 18:50 |
anteaya | and salv-orlando isn't here, so this section will be short | 18:51 |
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anteaya | mostly I put this here to show where third-party folks will indeed have a place to talk | 18:51 |
anteaya | anything on the status page? | 18:51 |
anteaya | okay | 18:51 |
anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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anteaya | go | 18:52 |
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anteaya | anybody have anything? | 18:52 |
sc68cal | So I talked to a couple people at the summit, but since Comcast has a lab environment we'd like to createa CI system for ipv6 testing | 18:52 |
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sc68cal | mostly focued on improving the scenario testing in Tempest for IPv6 | 18:52 |
anteaya | yes, so testing ipv6 will include discussions with qa | 18:53 |
anteaya | we will need to put that on the agenda and insure some qa folks are here for that discussion | 18:53 |
anteaya | unless they would like to have the talk in the qa meeting | 18:53 |
anteaya | in which case please let us know when that is on the agenda so we can lurk and read logs | 18:54 |
sc68cal | ok, I will attend QA and bring propose that agenda item | 18:54 |
anteaya | great | 18:54 |
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jerryz | is 3rd party CI for stackforge projects in the scope of this meeting? | 18:54 |
anteaya | let us know what space that discussion happens in | 18:54 |
anteaya | jerryz: it is open discussion time, sure | 18:55 |
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jerryz | our tests are not in the gate pipeline, could it be possible that we add tests in gate pipeline? | 18:56 |
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anteaya | jerryz: third party ci will not be in the gate pipeline for any project | 18:56 |
anteaya | openstack or stackforge | 18:56 |
anteaya | so the answer to your question is no | 18:56 |
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anteaya | care to expand on your need so maybe we can find another way to help? | 18:57 |
jerryz | the formal way is to add templates in jjb? | 18:57 |
anteaya | the formal way of what? | 18:57 |
sc68cal | 8 | 18:57 |
jerryz | expanding our tests in gate pipeline | 18:57 |
anteaya | your tests won't be in the gate pipeline | 18:58 |
akerr | jerryz: I think you would just get them added to tempest, no? | 18:58 |
anteaya | no third party tests are in the gate pipeline | 18:58 |
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david-lyle | so much of this conversation has been around CI, from a Horizon standpoint I'm not sure 3rd party CI is sufficient. What is the expectation around testing changes related to 3rd party drivers manually? Are there public test environments we can hit directly? If so are these documented somewhere? | 18:59 |
anteaya | good questions | 18:59 |
anteaya | I don't have the answers for those | 18:59 |
krtaylor | would be a good topic for a future meeting | 19:00 |
anteaya | can you add those questions to next weeks agenda and perhaps we can look at them more closely? | 19:00 |
anteaya | yes | 19:00 |
anteaya | and we are at time | 19:00 |
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anteaya | thank you everyone for a great first meeting | 19:00 |
anteaya | I look forward to seeing you next week | 19:00 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 19 19:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-05-19-18.00.html | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-05-19-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-05-19-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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sarob | #startmeeting milk | 20:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon May 19 20:01:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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sarob | roll call | 20:02 |
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sarob | roll call for milk dev meeting | 20:05 |
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sarob | shutting down meeting until next week | 20:06 |
sarob | #endmeeting | 20:06 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 19 20:06:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:06 |
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mestery | Hi | 21:00 |
regXboi | yo | 21:00 |
pcm__ | hi | 21:00 |
armax | yello | 21:00 |
banix | hello | 21:00 |
emagana | Hello Folks! | 21:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
kevinbenton | hi | 21:00 |
Swami | hi all | 21:01 |
fawadkhaliq | hello all! | 21:01 |
marun | hi | 21:01 |
mestery | salv-orlando amotoki nati_ueno arosen1 markmcclain: ping | 21:01 |
jaypipes | o/ | 21:01 |
salv-orlando | aloha | 21:01 |
mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon May 19 21:02:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
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mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
mestery | I hope everyone made it back from the Summit ok. | 21:02 |
mestery | Who else needs a week of vacation to recover? :) | 21:02 |
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sc68cal | I wish :) | 21:02 |
markmcclain | o/ | 21:02 |
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asadoughi | mestery: :) | 21:02 |
sc68cal | no rest for the wicked | 21:02 |
rkukura | +2 | 21:02 |
mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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Sukhdev | Hello everybody | 21:03 |
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mestery | The main items I wanted to highlight are the two mid-cycle meetups/sprints we have planned now. | 21:03 |
mestery | Please see the agenda for details. | 21:03 |
mestery | For the LBaaS mid-cycle, it woudl be good to get at least one more core to attend to back markmcclain and I up. | 21:03 |
mestery | For the nova-network parity sprint in MN, the hotel block shoudl be available now. | 21:04 |
mestery | I encourage people to signup for one or both sprints! | 21:04 |
mestery | Any questions on these? | 21:04 |
nati_ueno | hi! | 21:04 |
pcm__ | mestery: dates for each? | 21:05 |
mestery | pcm__: Dates are in the etherpad, I'll highlight them here: | 21:05 |
mestery | #info nova-network parity sprint is July 9-11 | 21:05 |
mestery | #info LBaaS sprint is June 17-19 | 21:05 |
pcm__ | mestery: thanks | 21:05 |
mestery | OK, moving on. | 21:06 |
mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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mestery | jaypipes: Here? | 21:06 |
jaypipes | mestery: yup. | 21:06 |
mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/035264.html Galera issue highlighted during DB OPs sessions | 21:06 |
mestery | jaypipes has highlighted an issue we should discuss here found during the OPs sessions on DB last week. | 21:06 |
mestery | jaypipes: The floor is yours! | 21:07 |
jaypipes | mestery: thx. | 21:07 |
jaypipes | mestery: so, the problem is that MySQL Galera does not support SELECT ... FOR UPDATE. | 21:07 |
nati_ueno | jaypipes: for clustering mode, right? | 21:07 |
jaypipes | mestery: behavior is not deterministic | 21:07 |
armax | ouch | 21:07 |
jaypipes | nati_ueno: no, there isn't any mode per-se... it's just MySQL Galera does not have an idea of multi-node read locks | 21:08 |
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salv-orlando | this just pretty much means at the moment mysql galera can't use neutron. | 21:08 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, agreed. | 21:08 |
salv-orlando | I am afraid I do not see short term solutions | 21:08 |
nati_ueno | jaypipes: oh, so even if the user is using master-slave, select for update can't be used? | 21:08 |
jaypipes | and since Galera is by far the most popular deployment option for database at this point, we need to figure out a solution for nova and neutron... | 21:08 |
jaypipes | nati_ueno: no, this does not have to do with standard mysql master-slave... | 21:08 |
markmcclain | long term tasks should solve this a bit bitter | 21:08 |
markmcclain | s/bitter/better | 21:08 |
jaypipes | markmcclain: yes, definitely. | 21:09 |
jaypipes | markmcclain: as would an external quota management piece... | 21:09 |
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markmcclain | we lock the tables now because our retries are inconsistent | 21:09 |
kevinbenton | i vote to remove all SQL … FOR UPDATE locks :-) they are the source of the wonderful eventlet/mysql deadlock | 21:09 |
jaypipes | but that is quite far in future | 21:09 |
marun | is this something that we need a fix for short term? | 21:09 |
nati_ueno | jaypipes: I got it | 21:09 |
marun | kevinbenton: uh, it's not free | 21:09 |
jaypipes | marun: well, here's the deal.. | 21:09 |
marun | we still have to ensure consistency | 21:09 |
markmcclain | jaypipes: can we commit to fixing this in Juno? | 21:09 |
mestery | marun: I think a short term fix is needed, yes. | 21:09 |
markmcclain | and release note it for Icehouse? | 21:09 |
markmcclain | mestery: I don't think we can come up with a proper short term solution to the locking | 21:10 |
jaypipes | marun: the problem manifests itself as a deadlock right now, so there isn't actually an issue with inconsistency, AFAICT. | 21:10 |
mestery | markmcclain: Can we even fix this in Icehouse now? Seems like a large change for stable anyway you cut it. | 21:10 |
marun | mestery: my concern is whether a short-term fix is possible, not that we need one. | 21:10 |
markmcclain | without even more coarse locks | 21:10 |
mestery | markmcclain: Was afraid of that. | 21:10 |
marun | mestery: this stuff isn't simple afaik | 21:10 |
jaypipes | the problem is in handling the "deadlock" (which is really just a timeout on galera's failure to certify an update request) | 21:10 |
salv-orlando | jaypipes: active clusters also tend to suffer from deadlock in neutron as there's no retry_on_deadlock mechanisms | 21:10 |
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mestery | marun markmcclain: So do we move forward faster with taskflow then? | 21:10 |
markmcclain | mestery: yes | 21:11 |
sc68cal | jaypipes: we discussed internally at Comcast, and Sridrar Basam replied on the list | 21:11 |
jaypipes | I think short-term, the "solution" is to note the issue in the operations guide and just have some awareness of this spread in the community. | 21:11 |
sc68cal | perhaps we can engage him further, since he has a bit of experience running galera & neutron | 21:11 |
salv-orlando | so basically is taskflow the solution to db locking problems? | 21:11 |
marun | salv-orlando: so would retry-on-deadlock be an alternative to taskflow that could be implemented short-term? | 21:11 |
jaypipes | the medium-term solution is to work on taskflow in neutron and a better, lock-free quota driver implementation in nova | 21:12 |
marun | taskflow -> taskflow/lock_for_update | 21:12 |
mestery | jaypipes: I agree with that plan. | 21:12 |
rkukura | markmcclain: I’d really like to see a short writeup describing how task flow will be used to eliminate the lock_for_updates ASAP | 21:12 |
jaypipes | and the long-term solution is to identify a distrbuted lock manager that may be used at varying degrees of granularity | 21:12 |
marun | jaypipes +1 | 21:12 |
salv-orlando | ahem | 21:13 |
marun | salv-orlando: ahem or amen? | 21:13 |
* mestery wasn't sure what salv-orlando meant either. | 21:13 | |
salv-orlando | I don't think introducing distributed coordination is a great idea. I mean distributed coordination *IS GREAT* | 21:13 |
* jaypipes lost. | 21:13 | |
salv-orlando | but we should strive to avoid it | 21:13 |
marun | salv-orlando: long-term we'll all be dead, so no worries ;) | 21:13 |
nati_ueno | marun: ha ha ha | 21:14 |
mestery | marun: That's a rather grim view of this particular locking problem. :) | 21:14 |
marun | salv-orlando: well, you're the one with post-grad degree in distributed systems. | 21:14 |
marun | armax: your thoughts? | 21:14 |
salv-orlando | I stole it | 21:14 |
armax | marun: my thoughts are that even though I feel the urgency of this matter I wonder whether this is quickly eating too much time out of the meeting | 21:14 |
armax | :) | 21:14 |
jaypipes | salv-orlando: so, I agree that distrbuted lock management should be avoid if possible, but there are certainly cases where we need it. | 21:14 |
mestery | AGreed armax. | 21:14 |
marun | hah | 21:14 |
mestery | Lets move on for htis one. | 21:14 |
armax | I agree with jaypipes | 21:14 |
sc68cal | I think we need salv-orlando to do a lecture :) | 21:14 |
kevinbenton | optimistic locking! | 21:14 |
armax | we can't just keep ignoring the problem | 21:14 |
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salv-orlando | sc68cal: I will refer to the right people that can give you a lecture. | 21:15 |
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mestery | jaypipes: Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I'll take an action item to track this and do the short term legwork of notifying the community and docs. | 21:15 |
markmcclain | rkukura: will post one | 21:15 |
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jaypipes | mestery: cheers. | 21:15 |
rkukura | markmcclain: thanks! | 21:15 |
salv-orlando | I feel not entitled to do this. I am not even able to synchronize two threads | 21:15 |
marun | salv-orlando: not possible with greenthreads, so don't take it hard. | 21:15 |
mestery | #action mestery to notify docs and the broader community about the mysql galera issue | 21:15 |
armax | salv-orlando: you always say who don't know how to do, teach | 21:15 |
armax | right? | 21:16 |
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emaganap | mestery: you can assign to me the doc bug | 21:16 |
mestery | emaganap: Thank! | 21:16 |
mestery | OK, there are a few other bugs listed there, including the "ssh bug". | 21:16 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Should we just file a new one for that at this point? | 21:17 |
mestery | salv-orlando: We both seemed to agree on that in the bug itself. | 21:17 |
markmcclain | yes the fingerprint has been removed from E-R | 21:17 |
mestery | markmcclain: Awesome, thanks! | 21:17 |
mestery | markmcclain: So, I'll close that one and indicate we should be opening new ones for "ssh connection issues" going forward, hopefully debugged a bit futther than just "ssh connection failure" | 21:17 |
markmcclain | mestery: thank jogo_ he pushed the change up | 21:17 |
salv-orlando | I am looking at the logs for connectivity problems; first - most of them are in grenade jobs | 21:17 |
* mestery thanks jogo_ | 21:18 | |
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mestery | salv-orlando: Interesting, let me know if you need a second set of eyes at any point. | 21:18 |
mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of at this point? | 21:18 |
Sukhdev | mestery: I got one | 21:19 |
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Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1314850 | 21:19 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1314850 in neutron "'module' object has no attribute 'get_engine'" [Medium,Fix committed] | 21:19 |
salv-orlando | I am focusing one the ones on voting jobs at the moment; unfortunately it's hard to write e-r queries for them. Anyway, I will update on the ML when I have more detai.s. | 21:19 |
mestery | Thanks salv-orlando. | 21:19 |
Sukhdev | mestery: I have seen this hit few times on stable/Icehouse - is there any chance to backport it? | 21:19 |
mestery | Sukhdev: Can you elaborate on this bug? It's marked Medium and committed. | 21:19 |
mestery | Sukhdev: Got it. | 21:19 |
mestery | Sukhdev: Seems like it would be possible. kevinbenton, any chance you can propose a backport to icehouse? | 21:20 |
kevinbenton | mestery: yes | 21:20 |
mestery | #action kevinbenton to propose a backport to icehouse of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1314850 | 21:20 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1314850 in neutron "'module' object has no attribute 'get_engine'" [Medium,Fix committed] | 21:20 |
Sukhdev | kevinbenton mestery: Thanks this will really help | 21:20 |
mestery | Thanks kevinbenton! | 21:21 |
mestery | OK, moving on. | 21:21 |
mestery | #topic Docs | 21:21 |
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mestery | emaganap: How are things going in doc-land, post Summit? | 21:21 |
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emaganap | mestery: hi there! | 21:21 |
emaganap | mestery: things are very slow.. no new updates from my side | 21:22 |
mestery | emaganap: OK, thanks! | 21:22 |
emaganap | mestery: I will review where we are and update wiki | 21:22 |
mestery | emaganap: Thank you! | 21:22 |
mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:22 |
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mestery | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:22 |
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mestery | I wanted to highlight this section today given it's importance for Juno. | 21:22 |
mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Neutron_Gap_Coverage Nova-Network Gap Plan | 21:23 |
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mestery | Most of these have BPs or bugs, I'm going to make sure by end of week they all do. :) | 21:23 |
mestery | That way I can track them for Juno. | 21:23 |
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mestery | And this is also a chance to highlight again the mid-cycle where we'll hopefully close on most of these before Juno-2. | 21:24 |
markmcclain | sorry flaky connection.. the good thing is that most are well underway | 21:24 |
mestery | markmcclain: Yup, exactly. And thanks for driving this one! | 21:24 |
markmcclain | happy to | 21:25 |
mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:25 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Any updates for this week on Tempest? | 21:25 |
mlavalle | mestery: we have merged a couple of more api tests | 21:25 |
armax | I got a couple of neutron folks test this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92436/ | 21:26 |
mlavalle | only 4 more to go to finish that | 21:26 |
mestery | Cool! I saw that! We're very close to complete coverage I beleive, right? | 21:26 |
mestery | Awesome! | 21:26 |
armax | which is not api related | 21:26 |
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mlavalle | this week we will start implmeneting the plan we reviewed in Atlanta | 21:26 |
mestery | armax: Thanks for the pointer! | 21:26 |
armax | but I thought it was worth drawing attention to because the way it was designed initially me a litle | 21:26 |
mlavalle | and that's really all I have | 21:26 |
armax | s/litle/little :) | 21:26 |
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mestery | OK, thanks mlavalle and armax! | 21:27 |
mlavalle | armax: I will keep track of this test | 21:27 |
armax | mlavalle: thanks, if we can get tempest cores look at it it'd be good | 21:27 |
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mlavalle | armax: will do | 21:27 |
mestery | #topic Summit Post Mortem | 21:28 |
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armax | mlavalle: and since I have your attention this one too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90427/ | 21:28 |
armax | ;) | 21:28 |
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mestery | There are other updates from sub-teams on the wiki, I encourage people to read those. | 21:28 |
mlavalle | armax: :-) | 21:28 |
mestery | But I wanted to take a few minutes to talk some Summit items if anyone wants to here. | 21:28 |
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mestery | A lot of energy is ready there, and a lot of ideas are floated, I thought we could talk about some of those here. | 21:29 |
mestery | One thing which comes to mind is something marun and I spoke about Wednesday night around coding sprints at the summit. | 21:29 |
mestery | marun: This was your idea about having sprints in the afternoon and sessions in the morning. Something to consider, even for the broader project. | 21:29 |
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banix | mestery: you mean during the design summit? | 21:30 |
armax | which afternoon, and which morning? | 21:30 |
marun | mestery: +1 | 21:30 |
armax | UTC? | 21:30 |
markmcclain | the foundation sent out a surey | 21:30 |
armax | ;) | 21:30 |
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armax | or local? | 21:31 |
mestery | markmcclain: Thanks for pointing the survey out! | 21:31 |
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markmcclain | make sure to express that desire for coding sprint time | 21:31 |
mestery | It would be local, and would try to capture the energy people have and make use of it while we're all there. | 21:31 |
marun | we won't be able to change things for paris but I hope we could start sprinting next spring | 21:31 |
armax | mestery: seems fair, and that's definitely the way to start I guess | 21:31 |
mestery | marun: +1 to that! This was a good idea. | 21:31 |
markmcclain | pycon does something very similar | 21:31 |
marun | markmcclain: that was definitely the inspiration | 21:32 |
mestery | markmcclain: Exactly! Anyways, this is something we should all propose back to the foundation in the survery replies. | 21:32 |
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rkukura | mestery, marun: Does this mean less design sessions, or more days of both? | 21:32 |
sc68cal | +1 to coding sprint at the summit - would love to have fast review cycles since in person | 21:33 |
marun | rkukura: hopefully the latter | 21:33 |
mestery | rkukura marun: +1 | 21:33 |
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nati_ueno | let's have the code spring in next week in paris. so we can enjoy weekend in there :P | 21:33 |
mestery | nati_ueno: Ha! | 21:33 |
marun | nati_ueno: if only | 21:33 |
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mestery | OK, one other topic was all the procedural things we as a team discussed. | 21:34 |
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mestery | Please note I'm going to sift through that and slowly start implementing it. | 21:34 |
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mestery | Lots of good ideas in there, but it will take me a bit to get to all of it. So please bear with me. :) | 21:35 |
mestery | Anything else Summit related anyone wants to bring up? | 21:35 |
marun | mestery: nothing that wouldn't require asbestos pants ;) | 21:35 |
* mestery gets out his sunglasses at least. | 21:36 | |
mestery | marun: ;) | 21:36 |
mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:36 |
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marun | nati_ueno: maybe you can talk about your prototype? | 21:36 |
mestery | One item I'd like to point out here is the new NFV sub-team/SIG/working group/project started by cdub and russellb last week. | 21:36 |
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nati_ueno | marun: ya. I'll send it to the dev mailing list when it get ready | 21:36 |
marun | nati_ueno: +1 | 21:37 |
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nati_ueno | marun: I'm mering it to the reviewstats | 21:37 |
nati_ueno | marun: you can also see loc now | 21:37 |
mestery | This new NFV team is taking input from many other projects, and Neutron is one of them. | 21:37 |
armax | mestery: I wonder if we should start adding a section to the meeting to talk about 3rd CI compliance | 21:37 |
markmcclain | armax: +1 | 21:37 |
mestery | armax: +1 to that. I was in the 3rd party meeting this morning in fact. | 21:37 |
armax | today while I was doing my review chores... | 21:37 |
mestery | armax: We need a representative for that weekly meeting, I can do that, but perhaps we should rotate that duty? | 21:37 |
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armax | I noticed a number of 3rd CI services account were not lively... | 21:38 |
sc68cal | oh, here's a procedural question. I have a blueprint that I'm kicking around in my head, about doing scenario tests for the provider networking extension - does that go in Neutron specs or Tempest ? | 21:38 |
sc68cal | it's sort of kind of related to btoh | 21:38 |
armax | mestery: rotating makes sense | 21:38 |
mestery | armax: I think we should move most of the 3rd party CI stuff to the project-wide meeting on IRC. Thoughts? | 21:38 |
emaganap | armax: +1 | 21:38 |
mestery | sc68cal: I think tempest makes the most sense there. | 21:38 |
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sc68cal | +1 - since there was a 3rd party ci meeting earlier today, so it looks like there's plan to do project-wide | 21:39 |
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armax | mestery: agreed, but havin a slot during the neutron irc is good | 21:39 |
marun | sc68cal: we should be including a requirement for test planning in spec docs, though. | 21:39 |
mestery | armax: The reason for moving the disucssion there is because there is a lot of ideas and requirements which are cross-project wide with regards to 3rd party testing. | 21:39 |
armax | because then we can talk about the neutron specific ci's | 21:39 |
marun | features aren't done until they are tested | 21:39 |
mestery | armax: Good point, I'll add it going forward. | 21:39 |
armax | mestery: I am talking more about what do to in terms of who is complying and what to do in this case | 21:39 |
mestery | armax: Ah, got it. | 21:40 |
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salv-orlando | I have a bad memory… but I recall back in Hong Kong announcing that by Juno release it was either comply or out of tree | 21:40 |
armax | this might help us prioritaze reviews as well | 21:40 |
marun | armax: tangential, but I think we should be enforcing 3rd party account naming consistency so the bookmarklet doesn't have to be maintained in the face of new jobs. | 21:40 |
salv-orlando | I mean not me announcing but markmcclain | 21:41 |
armax | cuz if patches are pushed without CI backing them | 21:41 |
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armax | then reviewers can give them lower priority | 21:41 |
salv-orlando | and also - somebody should define what "complying" means. | 21:41 |
marun | armax: +1 | 21:41 |
armax | this is something I forgot to bring up at the summit | 21:41 |
armax | marun: I was thinking about your session | 21:41 |
mestery | armax salv-orlando: I will document this and send out for review. | 21:41 |
armax | marun: but I was too tired/ill to be partecipating very actively ;) | 21:42 |
marun | armax: nati_ueno's work on providing more review info could also track whether the correct 3rd party ci is reporting | 21:42 |
mestery | #action mestery to document on the wiki 3rd party compliance terms and implications of not complying | 21:42 |
mestery | marun: Agreed! | 21:42 |
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nati_ueno | marun: armax: mestery: yes | 21:43 |
markmcclain | salv-orlando: I think the terms of complying were stated | 21:43 |
markmcclain | but we should have been more specific on tests required to execute | 21:43 |
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mestery | markmcclain: Yes, and also on exactly the steps on what happens with not complying as well. | 21:43 |
mestery | e.g. removal from tree, docs, etc. And a timeline for that, etc. | 21:44 |
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salv-orlando | mestery: that would be git rm -r ./neutron/plugins/<offending>/* && git commit -a && git review | 21:44 |
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armax | salv-orlando: if it only were that simple | 21:44 |
mestery | salv-orlando: :P | 21:44 |
armax | :P | 21:44 |
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regXboi | I suspect a timeline for the offender would be a good idea | 21:45 |
marun | how is it not that simple? ;) | 21:45 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Like I said, I have an action item to go through the existing documentation on this and edit as needed, and feedback will be great of course1 | 21:45 |
armax | marun: removing the offending plugin as salv-orlando descrived | 21:45 |
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mestery | marun: Remember, you're wearing the fire resistant suit, it's easier with that on. | 21:45 |
salv-orlando | sure, I think we can stop it here | 21:45 |
armax | *described | 21:45 |
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marun | the overarching goal, of course, is accountability | 21:46 |
regXboi | under the heading of new things (when we get there) | 21:46 |
mestery | I also wanted to note I found it uncanny how closely salv-orlando was able to follow discussion on the etherpad remotely. | 21:46 |
armax | marun: "we need to account all the things" | 21:46 |
regXboi | is some form of notification back NB | 21:46 |
marun | armax: +1! | 21:46 |
regXboi | or at least back NB to neutron that is | 21:47 |
markmcclain | yeah salv-orlando's ability was impressive | 21:47 |
armax | salv-orlando: he fooled us, but he secrectly told me he wrote a bot that did that | 21:47 |
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mestery | regXboi: Notifications for what? sorry if I'm not following a conversation we've had previously. :) | 21:47 |
* armax is kidding | 21:47 | |
salv-orlando | I just paid armax to put notes on the etherpad with my name | 21:47 |
armax | salv-orlando: yup…I am bot | 21:48 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Now it all makes sense. | 21:48 |
mlavalle | markmcclain: the tempest api tests section in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-nova-parity is outdated. Is it ok if I update it? | 21:48 |
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regXboi | mestery: there are cases where southbound *things* may need to allocate from the allocation pool. Right now (afaik) the only way to do this is to either | 21:48 |
armax | salv-orlando: btw the check didn't clear yey, what's going on? | 21:48 |
regXboi | (i) go around and come in the front door | 21:48 |
mestery | mlavalle: Please do! I actually updated part of that this morning with ones which have already merged. | 21:48 |
regXboi | (ii) put the allocation logic into the plugin | 21:48 |
markmcclain | mlavalle: yes please | 21:48 |
regXboi | remember that conversation now? | 21:49 |
mlavalle | wil do :-) | 21:49 |
mestery | regXboi: Yes, now I remember. | 21:49 |
sc68cal | I found salv-orlando's BP for advanced networking scenarios and linked my blueprint to it. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/neutron-provider-networking | 21:49 |
mestery | regXboi: I don't have a solution off the top of my head now, but at least I'm up to speed. | 21:49 |
regXboi | I'd really like to come up with a (iii) allow the SB thing to let the plugin know what it needs | 21:50 |
regXboi | so that the logic doesn't have to be in the plugin (as in ii) | 21:50 |
regXboi | because (i) is just frankly *hideous* | 21:50 |
mestery | If I'm not mistaken, the OpenContrail plugin solves this by not using any Neutron DB operations, but maybe I'm just remembering this all wrong. | 21:51 |
salv-orlando | opencontrail I think it's a passthrough plugin | 21:51 |
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salv-orlando | passthrough == maps neutron calls onto backend calls & does not store anything in neutron | 21:51 |
nati_ueno | yes it is | 21:52 |
regXboi | yes, I'm looking for a third option | 21:52 |
salv-orlando | it pretty much uses neutron as a shim, which might sound bad, but as long as it works it's fine | 21:52 |
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regXboi | speaking of third options, also brings us to overlapping_ips :) | 21:52 |
markmcclain | the reason we've traditionally made folk either persue i or ii is security | 21:52 |
markmcclain | right now we don't have another way to provide a secure interface | 21:52 |
markmcclain | when signed messaging is possible we could look at alternatives for RPC | 21:53 |
marun | I'd be interested in seeing how successful contrail is with that approach. iirc everyone who has gone down that road has found they needed to use neutron as more than a shim. | 21:53 |
salv-orlando | there is also the fourth option…. promoted by the fifth column... | 21:53 |
regXboi | I know when I looked at neutron as a shim, I gave up pretty quickly | 21:53 |
salv-orlando | destroy neutron and do everything from scratch! | 21:53 |
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regXboi | speaking of third options... brings me to allow_overlapping_ips | 21:54 |
* mestery hands salv-orlando another scotch. :) | 21:54 | |
regXboi | I'm thinking that really should be a tri-state | 21:54 |
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marun | salv-orlando: maybe if our process improvements prove successful that would be an option. as of now, though, I worry that we'd end up in the same state. | 21:54 |
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regXboi | scope subnet search to network, tenant, all tenants | 21:55 |
regXboi | that middle value is missing today | 21:55 |
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mestery | We're getting close to the end ... of this meeting at least. | 21:57 |
mestery | It was great seeing everyone last week! | 21:57 |
mestery | And now we begin the March to Juno! | 21:57 |
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markmcclain | mestery: thanks for organizing the sessions last week | 21:57 |
SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: +1, thanks mestery! | 21:58 |
mestery | markmcclain: NP, thanks for the guidance on that front! | 21:58 |
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mestery | OK, see you all next week! Thanks! | 21:58 |
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mestery | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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armax | bye bye | 21:58 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 19 21:58:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-05-19-21.02.html | 21:58 |
Swami | bye | 21:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-05-19-21.02.txt | 21:58 |
emaganap | ciao | 21:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-05-19-21.02.log.html | 21:58 |
SumitNaiksatam | bye | 21:58 |
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pcm__ | bye | 21:58 |
marun | ciao! | 21:58 |
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rkukura | bye | 21:59 |
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