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| sc68cal | Good morning everyone | 13:58 |
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| SridharGaddam | Good morning sc68cal | 13:58 |
| sc68cal | So it's an off week for openstack - i'm online today and plan on still running the meeting | 13:59 |
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| aveiga | o/ | 13:59 |
| sc68cal | but I'll probably run right through the agenda real quick to get to open discussion | 13:59 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 14:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:00 |
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| baoli | Hi | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | baoli: hey | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any new blueprints in review? | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88043/ ipv6-provider-slaac | 14:03 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, I'm planning to start neutron specs for the radvd bp and the prefix delegation bp for the next couple of weeks. | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | great! | 14:04 |
| aveiga | do we have functioning units for dhcpv6 yet? | 14:04 |
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| aveiga | I haven't seen anything that actually turns on stateful and sets up a scope in dnsmasq | 14:05 |
| aveiga | that might be a pre-req for PD to work | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | I believe we need to get the neutron-specs in, then we can break up the code that shixiong wrote into smaller, manageable chunks | 14:06 |
| aveiga | ok | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | #topic code reviews | 14:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "code reviews (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:07 | |
| sc68cal | Honestly I've dropped the ball on updating any of my ipv6 patch submissions | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | but I think we have a lot of stuff to hammer out at the summit | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | Anyone have any code reviews to discuss, or we can move to bugs then open discussion | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6 bugs tagged ipv6 | 14:12 |
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| aveiga | shouldn't bumping the min version be a quick fix? | 14:13 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: yes - but I don't know how that interacts with the distros | 14:13 |
| sc68cal | but I think we do need to bump it - I think we had a couple lines in meetings previously discussing it | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | I'll have to do some grepping | 14:14 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:16 |
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| SridharGaddam | I have a question. In an IPV6 environment when OpenStack dnsmasq is acting as a stateful DHCPV6 server, how does it identify the client uniquely? | 14:16 |
| SridharGaddam | As DHCPV6 Clients identify themselves using the DUID instead of MAC address and since clients can use UUID generated in three different ways (Link Layer Address with time, Vendor Assigned Unique ID and Link Layer Address), hence the question. | 14:16 |
| SridharGaddam | s/UUID/DUID | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | I suppose that depends on the guest? | 14:17 |
| SridharGaddam | thats true, it depends on the DHCP V6 client running inside the VM. | 14:17 |
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| SridharGaddam | But since the dnsmasq is going to serve the IP address in a static manner. The mapping should be pre-determined using the DUID field. | 14:18 |
| SridharGaddam | So I was wondering how we will be supporting the DHCPV6 Statefull mode. | 14:18 |
| SridharGaddam | Do you think we can enforce the requirement that DHCPV6 clients in the VMs should always use the Link Local Address as the DUID field? | 14:19 |
| sc68cal | I'll freely admit that you're probably a bit further ahead than I am about this problem - so I'd be happy to delegate to you to figure out how to solve it | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | and start discussing it on the ML to see if anyone else has some good ideas | 14:20 |
| SridharGaddam | no problem sc68cal. I'll have a look at it closely. | 14:20 |
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| SridharGaddam | Sure, I'll send out an email on the mailing list. | 14:20 |
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| sc68cal | The more I think about it, the more I realize that addressing in Neutron had a lot of ipv4 isms in it where addressing can be centrally defined | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | as opposed to ipv6 where the client has more influence in the transaction | 14:22 |
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| sc68cal | We are kind of lucky since we also determine the MAC for the guest | 14:22 |
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| SridharGaddam | yeah that is true. | 14:23 |
| SridharGaddam | But supporting privacy extensions could be very tricky.. | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | We will not be supporting the display of PE addrs | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | guests are free to use them, but they won't show up in API calls | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | since they're ... private ;) | 14:24 |
| SridharGaddam | would they be forwarded and supported by the Neutron router? | 14:24 |
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| aveiga | there are a few hacks in flight for dnsmasq here | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | not sure what you mean | 14:25 |
| aveiga | like being able to determine from a dual-stacked host that the DUID and MAC match | 14:25 |
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| aveiga | or being able to strip the timestamp from an LLA+TS DUID | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | interesting | 14:26 |
| aveiga | but in general it's going to come down to the same setup we have with SLAAC | 14:26 |
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| sc68cal | SridharGaddam: when you say supported by a neutron router, can you explain? | 14:26 |
| aveiga | we're telling people that privacy extensions are invalid in our environment, so why not also restrict to LLA DUID? | 14:26 |
| SridharGaddam | I meant to say that will the VMs with privacy extensions enabled be able to communicate to external world? Sorry if it was not clear. | 14:27 |
| SridharGaddam | aveiga: that is one possible solution. | 14:27 |
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| baoli | SridharGaddam: with PE, the prefix won't be chnaged but the ID part of the address, right? | 14:28 |
| SridharGaddam | yes, AFAIK the id part would no longer be constructed using EUI64 method. | 14:28 |
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| aveiga | and since that's a client-generated method with no way for us to calculate it, it's invalid for Neutron | 14:29 |
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| aveiga | since Neutron needs a predictable address to provide to advances services | 14:29 |
| aveiga | things like FWaaS, VPNaaS and LBaaS will fail with PE | 14:29 |
| SridharGaddam | yes aveiga, I agree. | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | When a guest uses PE, it still keeps the assigned address - like if it's a slaac network | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | so I assume that in this env they'd be using that address for accessing it, then perhaps just PE for sending traffic? | 14:30 |
| aveiga | the PE addr becomes the default | 14:31 |
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| aveiga | which means FWaaS rules may fail, return NAT will fail from an LBaaS, etc | 14:31 |
| SridharGaddam | hmm... since each ipaddress has a valid lifetime and preferred lifetime. The SLAAC generated address could eventually timeout and the one generated using PE could be used for all the communication. | 14:31 |
| aveiga | if the SLAAC addr times out, routing will fail | 14:32 |
| aveiga | because that means the RA has timed out | 14:32 |
| aveiga | and your default route is no longer valid | 14:32 |
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| SridharGaddam | yes aveiga. Supporting privacy extensions could be very tricky for the above reasons. | 14:35 |
| baoli | as long as the prefix won't change, the routing wouldn't change. The concern with PE is the anti-ip spoofing filter. It's installed with ipv4 by default. | 14:36 |
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| aveiga | the concern with PE is the instability and unpredictability of the address | 14:36 |
| aveiga | tyou can't provide PE to other systems, so it should be officially unsupported | 14:36 |
| sc68cal | I suppose our easiest solution is to wait until someone files a bug about it, the only thing that could make things difficult is if a distro enables PE by default | 14:37 |
| sc68cal | (which may already be the case - not sure to be honest) | 14:38 |
| aveiga | Ubuntu does by default | 14:38 |
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| baoli | that's true | 14:38 |
| aveiga | there are bugs filed there, as well | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/1068756 Ubuntu IPv6 PE bug | 14:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1068756 in procps "IPv6 Privacy Extensions enabled on Ubuntu Server by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:39 |
| aveiga | basically ignored for 2 years | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | nice find | 14:40 |
| SridharGaddam | some thread on PE. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622845 | 14:40 |
| uvirtbot | Debian bug 622845 in linux-2.6 "please enable IPv6 privacy extension in default configuration" [Wishlist,Open] | 14:41 |
| aveiga | it's actually a valid concern for clients | 14:41 |
| aveiga | but bad for servers | 14:41 |
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| baoli | if the address is generated by dhcpv6, would the guest still use PEs? In other words, would PE only works with SLAAC address? | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | agree. They should be disabling it for server images | 14:42 |
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| baoli | RFC 4941: Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration in IPv6 | 14:42 |
| aveiga | baoli: nope, it's SLAC only | 14:42 |
| baoli | so for servers, they dont' have to use slaac | 14:42 |
| aveiga | dhcpv6-assigned prefixes will not have this, unless the A bit is set | 14:42 |
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| aveiga | it's possible if you had A, M and O all set to true you'd have both PE and dhcpv6 addrs | 14:43 |
| aveiga | but we don't allow that on Neutron-issued RAs | 14:43 |
| aveiga | there's no API option for SLAAC+Stateful | 14:43 |
| baoli | But the dhcpv6 addr will not expire | 14:43 |
| aveiga | sure it will, it should have a valid lifetime | 14:44 |
| aveiga | the client will need to renew | 14:44 |
| baoli | but the client will renew it, right | 14:44 |
| aveiga | yes | 14:44 |
| aveiga | just like today with v4 | 14:44 |
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| aveiga | I think we can safely say that just as we don't support PE, we should only support LLA DUID | 14:45 |
| aveiga | for now, at least | 14:45 |
| aveiga | if any of you wants to write some really ugly hacks to dnsmasq to do otherwise, you're welcome to submit them upstream | 14:45 |
| SridharGaddam | ok | 14:45 |
| aveiga | anyone disagree? | 14:46 |
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| aveiga | I'm not a dictator here :) | 14:46 |
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| sc68cal | I think we should keep an eye on those bugs that people highlighted | 14:47 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:47 |
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| sc68cal | we've got some work to do in the layer of neutron that runs dnsmasq - so we'll get to the PE thing when we get to it :) | 14:48 |
| sc68cal | let it not be known that the ipv6 team lacks things to be worked on :) | 14:49 |
| aveiga | ah, decouple the issue | 14:49 |
| aveiga | the dnsmasq bit is for DUID | 14:49 |
| aveiga | PE is SLAAC/Neutron management, not dnsmasq | 14:49 |
| sc68cal | true- but we need to get some code into neutron to drive subnets that have stateless set as the attrs | 14:49 |
| aveiga | yep | 14:50 |
| sc68cal | err stateful | 14:50 |
| sc68cal | etc. etc. | 14:50 |
| aveiga | also true | 14:50 |
| aveiga | so we can focus for now on getting LLA DUIDs supported | 14:50 |
| aveiga | so we at least have a basic functional target | 14:50 |
| baoli | To be honest, I'm lost here. How dhcpv6 duid is related to PE? | 14:51 |
| sc68cal | ok - should we start something on the ML about it or is there enough info to put something into neutron-specs and LP? | 14:51 |
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| aveiga | baoli: they aren't | 14:51 |
| aveiga | that's waht I was getting at | 14:51 |
| SridharGaddam | there is one BP and I asked this question in the BP earlier. | 14:51 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: blueprint it as the basic miulestone | 14:51 |
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| SridharGaddam | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dnsmasq-ipv6-dhcpv6-stateful | 14:52 |
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| sc68cal | ok - I see your comment. | 14:52 |
| sc68cal | We need to move that into neutron-specs and hash that out | 14:52 |
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| sc68cal | doing it on LP's whiteboard is a pain - I know I'm sort of waving my hand and hiding behind process | 14:53 |
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| sc68cal | Honestly stuff in LP just gets neglected, most neutron devs are in gerrit | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | either that or the ML | 14:54 |
| sc68cal | so feel free to start up convos on the ML | 14:54 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:54 |
| sc68cal | or if you're a bit farther long in an idea, do a spec in neutron-specs | 14:55 |
| baoli | Each DHCP client and server has a DUID. DHCP servers use DUIDs to | 14:55 |
| baoli | identify clients for the selection of configuration parameters and in | 14:55 |
| baoli | the association of IAs with clients. DHCP clients use DUIDs to | 14:55 |
| baoli | identify a server in messages where a server needs to be identified. | 14:55 |
| baoli | See sections 22.2 and 22.3 for the representation of a DUID in a DHCP | 14:55 |
| baoli | message. | 14:55 |
| baoli | Clients and servers MUST treat DUIDs as opaque values and MUST only | 14:55 |
| baoli | compare DUIDs for equality. Clients and servers MUST NOT in any | 14:55 |
| baoli | other way interpret DUIDs. Clients and servers MUST NOT restrict | 14:55 |
| baoli | DUIDs to the types defined in this document, as additional DUID types | 14:55 |
| baoli | may be defined in the future. | 14:55 |
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| aveiga | baoli: This fails for static allocations when the DUID is not pre-defined | 14:55 |
| aveiga | the only DUID that can be pre-determined by Neutron is LLA | 14:55 |
| aveiga | or by mangling an LLA+Time | 14:56 |
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| baoli | aveiga, I think that I have some homework to do | 14:57 |
| aveiga | hit me up if you need help, I worked with the team that wrote this RFC | 14:57 |
| aveiga | and was sort of mentored by the WG chair | 14:57 |
| SridharGaddam | aveiga: I did not explore much, but some of the DHCPV6 clients which I used seem to use LLA+time as DUID(i.e, default conf). | 14:57 |
| baoli | aveiga, sure. thanks | 14:57 |
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| aveiga | there's a chance that some distros ship with LLA+time as the default | 14:58 |
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| aveiga | I know OpenWRT did for a while | 14:58 |
| SridharGaddam | ok | 14:58 |
| SridharGaddam | ok | 14:58 |
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| sc68cal | Alright everyone | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | till next week - thanks everyone for attending | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 14:59:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-29-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-29-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-29-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 15:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| bauzas | o/ | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 15:00 |
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| yjiang51 | o/ | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, again, tnx for covering for me the last couple of week, it's been crazy :-) | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| glikson | hi | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: no pb | 15:01 |
| bauzas | ;) | 15:01 |
| n0ano | #topic review action items | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | I believe there were just a couple from last week. | 15:01 |
| bauzas | yup | 15:01 |
| n0ano | merge sessions 262 & 140 - I believe you did that, right bauzas ? | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: yup | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | we'll call it done then | 15:02 |
| bauzas | n0ano: now the etherpad is up-to-date | 15:02 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Gantt-summit-sessions | 15:02 |
| n0ano | excellent, I looked it over, it's a good overview of the scheduler sessions | 15:03 |
| bauzas | I still have to provide the times | 15:03 |
| bauzas | but I was waiting to see the agenda finalized, as it's subject to changes | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | indeed, but I don't expect it to change to dramatically | 15:03 |
| bauzas | think so too | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | what time will gantt sessions be scheduled? | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | on which day? | 15:04 |
| bauzas | llu-laptop: see the etherpad | 15:04 |
| bauzas | on Friday | 15:04 |
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| jay-lau-513 | Friday | 15:04 |
| n0ano | llu-laptop, mostly on Fri morning, up until about 2PM | 15:04 |
| bauzas | there is one interesting session on Tuesday | 15:04 |
| bauzas | about Climate | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | important point is to not schedule a flight home until late Fri | 15:04 |
| * johnthetubaguy raises quite late hand | 15:05 | |
| bauzas | IMHO, the Climate session is worth it for discussing with Gantt | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | sounds like we can encourage all the scheduler centric people to try and make that session then | 15:05 |
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| glikson | this session on Wed is also related to scheduling: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a0d38e1278182eb09f06e22457d94c0c | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | glikson, not obvious from the session title but maybe we should include that on our etherpad | 15:07 |
| jay-lau-513 | glikson: Yes, not sure if we can discuss how to migrate VM between clusters with only one nova compute | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | sorry, got disconnected :( | 15:08 |
| n0ano | I think the scheduler session etherpad should be rather organic so anyone can update it with stuff they think is interesting | 15:08 |
| bauzas | missed some parts, maybe | 15:08 |
| n0ano | glikson, pointed out the http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a0d38e1278182eb09f06e22457d94c0c session might be scheduler interesting | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: hopefully that stuff becomes more obvious after we agree how to do the clustered stuff works | 15:09 |
| bauzas | n0ano: oh, right | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: node vs host thing in the scheduler is certainly related | 15:09 |
| bauzas | n0ano: then feel free to amend this ethepad :) | 15:09 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy yes, hope so, at least it is an imporatant feature for VMware now | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | as I said, I encourage everyone to update the etherpad as they think fit | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I was just speaking about Hi peers, | 15:10 |
| bauzas | Today is my last day at Bull. I truly appreciated working with you, in particular when looking at all the achievements we had with the XLCloud project. Seeing all people going into the same direction warmed me, and I'm truly convinced that HPC and Remote Rendering coupled with OpenStack will be someday the next key winning areas. | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I really enjoyed working on Climate with the help of INRIA, Bull and latter Mirantis, and seeing people like Intel or IBM interested in the project led me thinking that mixing upstream contributions to open-source projects and business deals are complementary. | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I'll follow my path in another big OpenStack specialist, but I'm sure we'll meet again at some events as the OpenStack ecosystem is quite small and friendly. | 15:10 |
| bauzas | You can reach me out by e-mail at sylvain.bauza@gmail.com or by IRC (Freenode) PM bauzas, I'm still keen to discuss with all of you ! ;-) | 15:10 |
| bauzas | See you, | 15:10 |
| bauzas | -Sylvain | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | woops | 15:10 |
| bauzas | pastebomb | 15:10 |
| bauzas | sorry all ! | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I was speaking about http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a848270c309b10517d4d186fecaf768f#.U1_A1ea9h-M | 15:10 |
| n0ano | bauzas, :-) | 15:10 |
| bauzas | nevermind this above message, wrong c/p | 15:11 |
| n0ano | let's see, the other action was to publish nova-spec for no-db scheduling BP, anyone know if this was done? | 15:11 |
| bauzas | YorikSar ? | 15:11 |
| YorikSar | Hi | 15:11 |
| YorikSar | I didn't finish the spec yet. | 15:11 |
| bauzas | ok, sure | 15:12 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, NP, I'll just bug you again next week :-) | 15:12 |
| YorikSar | It seems that the blueprint is too old... | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: maybe we should put it again as action | 15:12 |
| YorikSar | I gues I'll have to reword it completely. | 15:12 |
| bauzas | oh | 15:12 |
| n0ano | #action YorikSar to publish nova-spec for no-db scheduling BP | 15:12 |
| YorikSar | (but first I have to understand which part of the scope is still actual) | 15:12 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, sounds like this might take you a little while, do you need more time? | 15:13 |
| bauzas | do you feel you would need to wait for the Summit feedback ? | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: who will held the session btw. ? | 15:13 |
| bauzas | is it boris-42 ? | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would do the spec to lead to a good session | 15:13 |
| bauzas | s/held/hold | 15:13 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, +1 | 15:14 |
| YorikSar | I think I'll be able to produce at least a draft for it in spite of long holidays in Russia. | 15:14 |
| n0ano | nothing like something on paper to focus attention | 15:14 |
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| YorikSar | bauzas: Yes, boris-42 is going to hold it. I'm going to work with him on my draft. | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think making the no-db scheduler pluggable is the key | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean, optional | 15:14 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, OK, I don't want to pressure you too much but, if you're comfortable getting a draft out relatively soon, that's great | 15:15 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, so you thing nodb pluggability is only an option? | 15:15 |
| YorikSar | johnthetubaguy: Well... If we won't cut out old state synchronisation, adding another one would only increase the load on the system. | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: right, the idea I have, is being able to choose between the new and the old option | 15:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: many of us deploy off trunk, so we need to keep trunk working as we try new options, thats my main worry | 15:16 |
| YorikSar | johnthetubaguy: From the user perspective there is no difference between them. | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: I like the no-db stuff, I just need to make sure its optional in the first release, so we can sort out smooth upgrades between the old and new world | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: its massive from the deployer perspective though | 15:17 |
| YorikSar | johnthetubaguy: Once you restart your cloud new scheduler will sync state of all working compute node just like the old one would but w/o global SELECTs | 15:17 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: does that require memcache backend at least ? | 15:17 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Nope | 15:17 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: is there any external dep ? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: agreed, but its quite an architectural change to force people to adopt | 15:18 |
| PaulMurray | YorikSar, the issue is we want to chose when the new scheduler goes into use | 15:18 |
| YorikSar | It can with SQL | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: +1 | 15:18 |
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| YorikSar | johnthetubaguy, PaulMurray: I'm not sure I understand the reason for that... | 15:18 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: then it's worth having this as optional for Juno | 15:18 |
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| YorikSar | New scheduler is basically an implementation improvement. | 15:19 |
| PaulMurray | YorikSar, because we run large public services that we are very worried about | 15:19 |
| PaulMurray | YorikSar, are you from mirantis? | 15:19 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: that's an disruptive change | 15:19 |
| YorikSar | PaulMurray: Yes, I'm from Mirantis. | 15:19 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: we need to be careful about the level of impact | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | YorikSar: the other way of looking at this, if someone comes up with some other idea for doing this, that could also be another option, I want to encourage innovation here, but also not de-stabalise things | 15:19 |
| PaulMurray | YorikSar, then I am sure you would not like me to add a change that made you run your service differently | 15:19 |
| n0ano | YorikSar, I think it's more a perception issue, it's a major change, even if hidden, so that can make deployers uncomforatble | 15:19 |
| n0ano | s/uncomforatble/uncomfortable | 15:20 |
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| PaulMurray | YorikSar, I want you to understand that I am all for this change, but I do need to control when it happens in my infrastructure - its a risk issue for the business | 15:20 |
| YorikSar | n0ano: Oh... It's not a major change, actually. It's just an optimization of state synchronization within the service. If you don't want to add new deps, you can just run migrations and you won't notice it. | 15:21 |
| bauzas | anyway, the idea is to write the spec and discuss it at summit time | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, +1 - that's what the summit is for | 15:21 |
| YorikSar | Yeah. I hope Boris won't scare people any further... | 15:22 |
| bauzas | if there is no consensus before the summit, then let's the summit decide | 15:22 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: :) | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | YorikSar, :-) | 15:22 |
| n0ano | let's move on | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, I am −2 on this till its optional, its just way too risky as a "big bang" change, but your spec may convince me otherwise, just it seems very risky | 15:22 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: well, at least we know we have different view | 15:22 |
| bauzas | views | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | moving on | 15:23 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Yeah... | 15:23 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 looking forward to the summit and reviewing the spec, but yeah, lets move on... | 15:23 |
| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, I believe your client library BP is approved, anything else to add? | 15:24 |
| bauzas | yup | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | what about the follow up blueprint? any news on that? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | the Juno-2 stuff | 15:24 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/89893 | 15:24 |
| bauzas | the proposal is there | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools, its in my queue now | 15:25 |
| bauzas | I also reopened the draft implementation of Juno-1 | 15:25 |
| bauzas | #linkhttps://review.openstack.org/82778 | 15:25 |
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| bauzas | I will have limited time this week to work on | 15:26 |
| bauzas | mostly holidays | 15:26 |
| bauzas | but I'll resume my work by next week | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | all sounds good, thanks for your work on that other spec, glad to get that all approved | 15:27 |
| n0ano | bauzas, is there anything you want help on, I think we can find some people | 15:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 15:27 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, the amount of work for Juno-1 is not that huge | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 I would like to help out with this effort, where possible, I guess its probably just reviewing at this point | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we can always start the Juno-2 work during Juno-1 if we get there early | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I'm just in the middle of changing my affiliation (see my bad c/p above...) | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 15:28 |
| n0ano | bauzas, just let us know, I don't believe in assigning 9 women to create a baby in 1 month :-) | 15:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but the Juno-2 stuff is maybe more discussional yet :) | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: ;) | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ture | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | true | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you can maybe look at the very old implem | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: and review it to see some big misses | 15:29 |
| n0ano | bauzas, sure, I can do that | 15:29 |
| n0ano | #action n0ano to review the old client library implementation | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but I think we need to review the sched code to make sure we don't miss a crucial thing for the isolate-sched-db bp | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that bp is important | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: and I don't want to miss an important thing | 15:30 |
| n0ano | I am worried that there are some hidden dependencies in the code that will surprise us when we do the implementation but we'll deal with that as it happens | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: in particular, I'm really interested in discussing how we store aggs info if we consider not to rely on extensible RT at the moment | 15:31 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I went through all module imports | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: to see what filters and managers were importing | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but maybe I missed some other things | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: its sure to happen, I don't think we should worry too much, its just an extra blueprint | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | they way I see it... | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | fix how scheduler gets given info, and gets it | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | some stuff comes from compute | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | some from api request | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | do that first, then see where we end up | 15:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, specing bps are good for catching unnoticed things :) | 15:33 |
| n0ano | I just always worry that the devil is in the details, but yes, we'll just solve the problems that arise | 15:33 |
| bauzas | s/are/is | 15:33 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed, we identified issues, fix them in the bp, then repeat | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we have identified two clear classes of problem | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | and two easy fixes for that issue | 15:33 |
| bauzas | (I hope so) | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | well we have those two | 15:34 |
| yjiang51 | johnthetubaguy: if the BP is approved quickly | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets run with them | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | and then see what we missed | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yjiang51: yup, this breaks down if that dragges on too long, | 15:34 |
| bauzas | sure thing :) | 15:34 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, o/ | 15:35 |
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| n0ano | OK, sounds like the forklift is making progress, anything else on this subject? | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am sure there are loose ends, but they are going to be much easier to spot after the currently planned clean up | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: you had a question? | 15:35 |
| bauzas | n0ano: nope | 15:35 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, go ahead | 15:35 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, i have a call sorry | 15:36 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, if you have something I should warn you I think we'll be ending soon | 15:37 |
| n0ano | moving on | 15:37 |
| n0ano | #topic summit sessions | 15:37 |
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| n0ano | I think we've already discussed the pretty well, anyone want to add anything? | 15:38 |
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| n0ano | s/the pretty/this pretty | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what was that etherpad again? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Gantt-summit-sessions | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 15:39 |
| n0ano | bauzas, beat me :-( | 15:39 |
| bauzas | ideally, we should provide the sched.org links | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 for sched.org links, when they go up | 15:39 |
| n0ano | it's an etherpad, feel free to update it | 15:39 |
| n0ano | moving on | 15:40 |
| * bauzas doing it | 15:40 | |
| n0ano | #opens | 15:40 |
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| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do we want to pre-discuss anything from that summit session list? | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just wondering if there is any design prep to make the sessions as productive as possible | 15:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy seems most of the topics have submitted its own nova-specs | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | scheduler hints, I think it should become the next generation server groups | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: cools, do you have a spec up for scheduler hints now? | 15:42 |
| yjiang51 | johnthetubaguy: do you have any BP for your two-phase-commit idea for the claims? | 15:42 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, at least we should provide soon some detailed etherpads for each session | 15:42 |
| n0ano | the gantt API & no-db sessions are well researched, not sure about the others | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yjiang51: nope its more an implementation option | 15:42 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy i want to know more about your thinking about scheduler hint and server group | 15:42 |
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| bauzas | once that done, we should amend https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Nova | 15:42 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:43 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88983/ | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: good point, do we have etherpads with a session plan yet? | 15:43 |
| yjiang51 | johnthetubaguy: you mean no BP needed for it? | 15:43 |
| n0ano | I would suggest the the sussion proposer should set up an etherpad | 15:43 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: none I heard of | 15:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yjiang51: more the other way around, its an implemetation for some blueprint in the future, not really needed by its-self | 15:43 |
| yjiang51 | johnthetubaguy: ok, got it. | 15:44 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: thanks for the link, we can cover that here if we are done on other things | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: +1 thats the usual way | 15:44 |
| bauzas | n0ano: press the red 'action' button then ;) | 15:44 |
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| * n0ano was searching for the right button :-) | 15:44 | |
| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: basic plan, server groups (affitiy/anti-affitiy) is basically a scheduler hint on steroids, I feel scheduler hints should look very similar | 15:45 |
| bauzas | #action ;) | 15:45 |
| n0ano | #action session proposers to create etherpad for their session | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: at least I would love them to look the same | 15:45 |
| bauzas | IIRC, we have YorikSar, jay-lau-513, mspreitz, devananda and me | 15:46 |
| bauzas | as session proposers | 15:46 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, then would you propose we get rid of scheduler hints in favor of groups | 15:46 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy currently, the server group using hint to specify server group uuid as scheduler hint when create vm instance | 15:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: maybe, but I kinda like jaypipe's suggestion of making server groups a scheduler hint, I am cool with either way around really | 15:47 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy do you want enhance server group to use affinty/anti-affinity as scheduler hints? | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, basically I feel they should be the same, and easy to use | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | and they should be persisted | 15:47 |
| n0ano | I just worry that if a is a superset of b when keep b around | 15:47 |
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| n0ano | s/when/then why | 15:48 |
| glikson | johnthetubaguy: they are similar in a sense that in both cases a placement policy can be derived.. but the semantics is a bit different, overall. | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: sure, we might need to deprecate one of the APIs, or at least make them equivalent in the backend | 15:48 |
| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy I think that we can discuss JayPipes proposal for server group in the scheduler hint session | 15:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | glikson: yes, but there is an overall more general thing that covers both I feel | 15:48 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: +1 | 15:49 |
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| jay-lau-513 | johnthetubaguy with JayPipe's proposal, we do not need create server groups, but use scheudler hinits to achieve affinity/anti-affinity with scheduler hints, it is good to persist them | 15:49 |
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| jay-lau-513 | bauzas I will update etherpad later to reflect the change | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | jay-lau-513: yep, I think thats the best idea at this point, but need to think about the use cases a bit more | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not all hints should be "sticky", like build on host X probably should be overridden by a live-migrate to Y | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | what should happen with resize is an interesting one, but needs some thought | 15:50 |
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| jay-lau-513 | yes, sticky should be ignored | 15:51 |
| llu-laptop | I was once told by some nova core that the scheduler hint was in its way to be deprecated. is it changed? | 15:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | llu-laptop: maybe, not heard of the deprecated plan myself, we need something better though | 15:52 |
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| llu-laptop | it was said that it might not be very good to have those kind of thing affecting scheduling specified in the api call from end user | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | llu-laptop: thats basically why its needed, but maybe they were talking about a specific scheduler hint | 15:53 |
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| n0ano | llu-laptop, not sure I understand the, the end user always specifies things it needs (# cpus, mem, disk, ...) | 15:54 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agree, I don't see why hints would be removedf | 15:54 |
| llu-laptop | n0ano: nope, the admin specify those in flavor and let the user to choose | 15:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | llu-laptop: yeah, for some stuff, maybe, doesn't work for server group like hints | 15:55 |
| jay-lau-513 | llu-laptop johnthetubaguy n0ano imho scheduler hint is an important feature for resource selection requirement, putting thoes in flavors is not convinent for operators as they may need to create many flavors for different requirement | 15:55 |
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| n0ano | llu-laptop, implicitly the user is requesting that, the admin always controls what the nodes in a cloud support | 15:56 |
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| PaulMurray | n0ano, - sorry all - I'm back, it was a call from my daughter's doctor - I had to take it | 15:57 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, hope she's OK, is your question quick? | 15:57 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, its ok, we past that I can deal with it later | 15:57 |
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| n0ano | OK then, it's almost at the top of the hour so we'll have to close | 15:58 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, we'll talk again next week (last talk before the summit) | 15:58 |
| jay-lau-513 | thanks all, bye | 15:58 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| bauzas | sure thanks ! | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 15:58:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-29-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-29-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-29-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| msdubov | yingjun meteorfox hughsaunders marcoemorais aswadrangnekar kun_huang, andreykurilin penguinRaider ping | 17:00 |
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| aswadrangnekar | boris-42: hi all | 17:01 |
| aswadrangnekar | hi all | 17:01 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: ping | 17:04 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, hi | 17:04 |
| msdubov | #startmeeting rally | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 17:05:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is msdubov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:05 |
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| msdubov | So let's start out meeting | 17:05 |
| msdubov | #topic Resources descriptions in scenario configs | 17:05 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, Could you please tell a bit about your recent results you published in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86116/ | 17:06 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: patch set is no longer wip | 17:06 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: biggest issue is the redundant processing in validation | 17:07 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, the thing noticed by hughsaunders and me? | 17:07 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: I earlier raised this to boris-42 so he needs to re-confirm that is what he wants | 17:07 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: yes | 17:07 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: if necessary we can re-order things, but he didn't want that | 17:07 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, hughsaunders also pointed out that even with this redundant processing the benchmarcks with 'image_exists' don't work | 17:08 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, yep, I see | 17:08 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, Just saw your recent patch update | 17:09 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov hughsaunders let me take a look at that particular issue — I test with a handful of nova scenarios | 17:09 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, Does it fix that issue? | 17:09 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: I will take a closer look at image_exists | 17:09 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, Ok | 17:10 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, So basically it seems to me that here | 17:10 |
| msdubov | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/orchestrator/api.py#L102-L104 | 17:10 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: anyway, once this patch is merged I can add the nova scenarios to the rally conf used for gating ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90897/ | 17:10 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, it's possible to add one line to perform args processing before validation | 17:10 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, this wouldn't make the code too dirty | 17:10 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: yes I proposed that to boris-42 but he didn't want it that way | 17:10 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, but anyway that should be discussed with participation of boris-42 | 17:10 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, What was his argument? | 17:11 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: he said that validation was going to be refactored | 17:11 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, Would it be then possible to put args processing somewhere in benchmark_engine.validate() (L103) instead of benchmark_engine.run() (L104)? | 17:12 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, just as a suggestion | 17:12 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: well I have to rewrite the args passed to scenario, so it naturally fits in current location in code | 17:12 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, also true | 17:13 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, any opinions? ^^ | 17:13 |
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| msdubov | So ok let's discuss that tomorrow, since we have several other topics to cover now | 17:17 |
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| msdubov | #topic Ceilometer benchmark scenarios | 17:18 |
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| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, Could you please tell others a bit about your work? | 17:18 |
| aswadrangnekar | msdubov: sure | 17:19 |
| aswadrangnekar | we are targeting to cover all scenarios for ceilometer v2 api | 17:19 |
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| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, are you going to cover all scenarios in one patch or in several patches? | 17:20 |
| aswadrangnekar | pending scenarios are for queries and statistics | 17:20 |
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| aswadrangnekar | msdubov: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:bp/benchmark-scenarios-for-celiometer,n,z | 17:20 |
| aswadrangnekar | several patches | 17:21 |
| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, Yep, I see, thanks | 17:21 |
| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, Great that several people are working on it | 17:21 |
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| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, So your patch is ready for review? | 17:21 |
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| aswadrangnekar | resources and meters should be up for review soon there are one scenario in each of them | 17:22 |
| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, Ok, thanks | 17:22 |
| msdubov | I will take a look at it | 17:22 |
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| aswadrangnekar | we need to focus on queries should be ready soon | 17:22 |
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| msdubov | aswadrangnekar, Will require lots of review, so Rally cores should also look at these patches. Seems though like I'm now the only core developer at this meeting =) | 17:23 |
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| msdubov | #topic Tempest tests | 17:24 |
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| msdubov | andreykurilin, andreykurilin_ Could you please share your progress with Tempest? Also probably that by Olga if you know about it | 17:25 |
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| andreykurilin_ | sure | 17:25 |
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| andreykurilin_ | Kun left a comment about new scenarios for Tempest Benchmark(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86836/). When I tried to fix them, I discovered bigger problem. | 17:25 |
| hughsaunders | hey all, sorry was an hour off on meetime time | 17:25 |
| andreykurilin_ | Previous my patch(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86337/) replaced `testr` launcher with `subunit` in verification. This helps to split test discovery and execution, but broke rally verification for "compute" and "full" sets. | 17:26 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, no problem | 17:26 |
| andreykurilin_ | I can't launch several tests from `compute` set via subunit without discovery. | 17:27 |
| msdubov | andreykurilin_, Have you understood why that happens? | 17:27 |
| andreykurilin_ | a bit:) | 17:27 |
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| andreykurilin_ | Today I chat with sdague and andreaf at #openstack-qa | 17:27 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: marcoemorais, I would prefer to remove the redundant processing from the btypes patch, but I can see that probably won't be straightforward | 17:27 |
| hughsaunders | adding more redundant processing to the validators is probably quickest way to get it merged. And I do really like the feature, thanks for working on it | 17:28 |
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| msdubov | hughsaunders, What do you think about rewriting the scenario arguments at validation step? Do you also think that this will be too complicated? | 17:30 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: I would prefer to do the rewrite before validation, so they can stay seperate | 17:30 |
| msdubov | andreykurilin_, Thanks! Do you know anything about Olga's progress with her patches? She's unfortunately absent at the moment | 17:30 |
| hughsaunders | but I realise the meeting has moved on, sorry for dragging topic back | 17:30 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, Well this is a really important topic. | 17:31 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, Besides it wouldn't be great to merge a "quick" solution and the rewrite lots of code | 17:31 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, So yet another method here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/orchestrator/api.py#L102-L104 | 17:32 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, before validation()? | 17:32 |
| hughsaunders | I do think validation should come after translation, so that the values that will be used are checked | 17:32 |
| marcoemorais | hughsaunders: so I had originally raised this point to boris-42, if I could upload a patch which does validation after processing, would that satisfy? | 17:32 |
| andreykurilin_ | msdubov: I ask sdague and about correct way to split test discover and execution, but sdague said that it's a bad idea:) | 17:32 |
| andreykurilin_ | msdibov: I do not know about Olga's progress | 17:33 |
| hughsaunders | yeah, another func in benchmark engine and orchestrator api makes sense to me | 17:33 |
| msdubov | andreykurilin_, Ok, thanks. Did sdague suggest something instead? | 17:33 |
| andreykurilin_ | msdubov, yes | 17:33 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, marcoemorais Also think that would be a good solution. So let's discuss that with boris-42 tomorrow once again | 17:33 |
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| hughsaunders | ok | 17:34 |
| andreykurilin_ | msdubov, he proposed to not split discovery and test execution. | 17:34 |
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| msdubov | andeykurilin_ obviously :) | 17:35 |
| andreykurilin_ | nsdubov,he said, that correct way to get time of test execution is to parse results of subunit stream | 17:35 |
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| msdubov | andreykurilin_, So great, you now have an understanding with direction to go futher. Did you realize already whether it's a hard task to parse this stream? | 17:36 |
| hughsaunders | the current code uses a filter to convert it to xml (iirc) so should be able to parse that? | 17:37 |
| andreykurilin_ | yes, i already use it here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86836/ | 17:38 |
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| msdubov | hughsaunders, andreykurilin_ Yep, I'm just not familiar with the format | 17:38 |
| msdubov | andreykurilin_, In which file? | 17:38 |
| andreykurilin_ | `tempest_log_wrapper` from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86836/10/rally/benchmark/scenarios/tempest/tempest.py saves results as add_atomic_actions | 17:39 |
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| msdubov | andreykurilin_, Yep I see | 17:40 |
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| msdubov | andreykurilin_, So then may we hope to see an update for "Tempest benchmarks - Part 2" soon? :) | 17:40 |
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| andreykurilin_ | in near future I'll discuss solution of current problem with boris-42 and update my patch | 17:41 |
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| andreykurilin_ | Also, sdague ended the conversation with phrase: "if that was addressed, and rally was reading the subunit, we could, for instance, apply the rally analysis at the end of every gate run" | 17:41 |
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| andreykurilin_ | :) | 17:42 |
| hughsaunders | awesome :D | 17:42 |
| andreykurilin_ | yeah | 17:43 |
| msdubov | andreykurilin_, Really great | 17:43 |
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| msdubov | #topic CLI output | 17:43 |
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| msdubov | So I've prepared a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89941/ | 17:43 |
| msdubov | That's what we discussed at one of the previous meetings | 17:44 |
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| msdubov | It merges the two tables (atomic actions & overall results) in the task results output into one | 17:44 |
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| msdubov | And also rewrites the code so that it uses the openstack.common code to draw tables (instead of PrettyTable directly) | 17:44 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, Could you review it please? | 17:45 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: will do | 17:45 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, thanks | 17:45 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: just read the commit message and the after paste looks much cleaner | 17:45 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, Unfortunately I wasn't able to split the atomic actions results and the overall results with a line | 17:46 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, Seems like PrettyTable doesn't support this kind of stuff | 17:46 |
| hughsaunders | ok | 17:46 |
| msdubov | Also my patch actually leaves some places written with a direct usage of PrettyTable, but this will be hopefully addressed by other patches from other developers | 17:47 |
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| msdubov | The next step after code refactoring will be to add the --percentile parameter to "task detailed", to make the percentiles customizable | 17:47 |
| msdubov | #topic Free discussion | 17:48 |
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| msdubov | hughsaunders, andreykurilin_, marcoemorais Does anybody have anything to add? | 17:48 |
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| andreykurilin_ | msdubov, nope :) | 17:49 |
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| hughsaunders | not from me | 17:49 |
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| marcoemorais | nothing from me | 17:50 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, andreykurilin_, marcoemorais, aswadrangnekar Ok, then many thanks for participation! | 17:51 |
| msdubov | #endmeeting rally | 17:51 |
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| hughsaunders | msdubov: thanks for chairing | 17:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 17:51:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-29-17.05.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-29-17.05.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-29-17.05.log.html | 17:51 |
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| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder, ericn: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | o/ it's that time! | 17:58 |
| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 17:58 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: hey | 17:58 |
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| gyee | \o | 17:58 |
| joesavak | yo! | 17:58 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 17:59 |
| nkinder | o/ | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 17:59:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:59 |
| ayoung | \)/ | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | i expect this meeting to be mostly open discussion, following an improv session by our special guest stevemar | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | #topic Design summit schedule | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Compress3ed tokens....review it | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, do we get interpretive dance too? | 18:00 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: oh i hope so! | 18:00 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71181/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | You know you want it | 18:00 |
| dolphm | so most projects are starting to post their design summit schedules to http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | it'd be awesome if everyone took this time to look for obvious conflicts between sessions that keystoners should be attending | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, ++ | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | don't forget to look through the new "cross-project workshops" track as well | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | there are a lot of cross project items that are going to be cool | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross-project+workshops#.U1_pS1feRww | 18:03 |
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| gyee | is there a barbican track or it is rolled into keystone? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Not rolled in | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | this one is an important one for anyone interested in SQLAlchemy, Dogpile, Alembic, etc http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/0a0e3cb824a090773c42b67d6ed85d29 | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | The'yll just all be sitting together in the devlounge | 18:04 |
| dolphm | gyee: looks like they'll have their own track, but it's not published yet. keep an eye out for it | 18:04 |
| dolphm | gyee: their sessions aren't even reviewed yet | 18:04 |
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| gyee | ayoung, dolphm, seem like there are some integration points we need to discuss | 18:04 |
| gyee | keystone and barbican I mean | 18:04 |
| ayoung | gyee, ++ | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, this is something we'll likely just need to catch up in the dev-lounge/podarea/whatever it is | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, for in-person | 18:05 |
| joesavak | dolphm - the "Federation" 2:40p Weds design session is before the 9:50 a summit session "Federated Identity & Federated Service Provider support". I think the summit session would drive attendance to the design session. | 18:05 |
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| gyee | yes absolutely | 18:05 |
| joesavak | summit-session being thurs | 18:05 |
| nkinder | gyee: I'm curious about what integration points you have in mind | 18:06 |
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| gyee | nkinder, like credential management | 18:06 |
| gyee | authorization | 18:06 |
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| nkinder | gyee: using it as the password store? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | o/ late | 18:07 |
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| gyee | nkinder, no, not password store | 18:07 |
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| gyee | I mean access keys, certs, etc | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, credentials, certs, etc | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, ++ | 18:07 |
| dolphm | joesavak: looking... | 18:07 |
| stevemar | joesavak, i agree, i was hoping we could switch things around | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | joesavak: where's the conference schedule? | 18:08 |
| joesavak | dolpm - links: design: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/ab0966f5ec41f78e929effd499e0286f#.U1_p4_ldUog summit session: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/e04ac68f0c98be95f9fcbf2812e44d5d#.U1_qf_ldUog | 18:08 |
| joesavak | link: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/ | 18:08 |
| dolphm | joesavak: thanks | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | gyee, you saw this: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/9a6b59be11cdeaacfea70fef34328931 | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | would swapping the Federation session with python-keystoneclient session resolve the conference conflict? | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | We'll need to figure out an identity scheme for the various Queue Sinks and sources | 18:10 |
| gyee | ayoung, w00t! | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm, i think it would | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | what is the conflict? | 18:11 |
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| joesavak | agreed | 18:11 |
| gyee | ayoung, lets get certmonger in there, we need a realistic provisioning | 18:11 |
| gyee | provisioning process | 18:11 |
| ayoung | gyee, ++ | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, ++ | 18:11 |
| dolphm | so python-keystoneclient Wednesday @ 2:40p and Federation Thursday @ 11:50a (with the Federated Identity conference session Thursday @ 9:50a) | 18:12 |
| joesavak | dolphm +1 | 18:12 |
| ayoung | gyee, but certmonger only handles "Here are my certs" we need to figure out the mapping from X509 Cert name constraints to the endpoints and hypervisors etc... | 18:12 |
| gyee | we are having the same issue with tripleO with cert provisioning | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | thursday will be 100% identity then | 18:12 |
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| gyee | we been told no self-signed certs, but we need a realistic solution, so I am pushing certmonger | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, thats a good thing imo | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, keeps general focus | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: do you know if it's possible to reword the session description now it's in? | 18:13 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ and friday is sort of post-auth stuff | 18:13 |
| dolphm | authorization & service catalog | 18:13 |
| dolphm | err thursday | 18:14 |
| ayoung | gyee, do you guys have an API for submitting and retrieving a Cert to a CA separate from the Dogtog one? | 18:14 |
| dolphm | no i was right, the 16th is friday :P | 18:14 |
| ayoung | If not...we can drive that in Barbican. I think they have a BP for it already | 18:14 |
| gyee | ayoung, no, we don't have an agreed approach right now, that's the problem | 18:14 |
| gyee | agreed upon | 18:14 |
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| gyee | ayoung, I am fine with Barbican, so as long as it is consistent | 18:15 |
| ayoung | gyee, I'll be prepped to demo certmonger stuff, and we can discuss the wider CA story there. Barbican as a CA front works for me. | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:16 |
| gyee | ayoung, ++ | 18:16 |
| ayoung | And certmonger<->Baribican makes sense | 18:16 |
| nkinder | ayoung: agreed | 18:17 |
| dolphm | (assuming no one sees any further scheduling conflicts -- if any arise, ping me ASAP so we can try to resolve them) | 18:17 |
| joesavak | thanks dolphm! | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #topic Open discussion following improv and interpretive dance by stevemar | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: o/ | 18:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, also, I think we'll need to driver the cryptography.py work for CMS, which means accepting a 509, and verifying a signature. That will help both Keystone Client verification as well as the Messaging verification | 18:17 |
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| dstanek | go stevemar go | 18:17 |
| stevemar | i've prepared a table flip | 18:18 |
| stevemar | (╯°□°）╯ ┻━┻) | 18:18 |
| stevemar | thats all i got | 18:18 |
| dolphm | rofl | 18:18 |
| gyee | heh | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | Nice. | 18:18 |
| ayoung | ヽ(^o^)丿 | 18:18 |
| joesavak | lol | 18:18 |
| dstanek | lol | 18:18 |
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| morganfainberg | ┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ) | 18:18 |
| stevemar | serves me right for questioning the agenda | 18:18 |
| ayoung | (~_~) | 18:18 |
| dolphm | stevemar: damn straight | 18:19 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71181/ | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | Review compressed tokens. Please! | 18:19 |
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| gyee | on it | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | Compressed tokens will lead to being able to extract the singer info from the token prior to verification, and thus fetching the certs, allowing for multiple providers. | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | Oh...also, anyone have any real resistance to an addition to the mapping API that says "just pass through the groups as is, don't require an explicit enumeration of them?" | 18:22 |
| ayoung | *allowing* explicit enumeration is a good thing, but requiring it leads to duplication of effort for places that don't want or need it. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, do we have the bug/bp to get testing of the examples handy? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, you mean PKI signed tokens? | 18:23 |
| ayoung | compressed rather? | 18:23 |
| bknudson | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90472/ has a -2 on it but there's no suggestion what to do differently. | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, was that one where we wanted to test the example scripts? | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, if the "server" switches from PKI to uuid tokens, the existing tokens that were revoked are still in memcache | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i know we had ~2-3 reviews we wanted to test the example scripts. | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: why is this only Partial-Bug: 1255321 rather than Closes-Bug? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and they went from revoked to unrevoked | 18:24 |
| ayoung | yeah, I need to resplit the example scripts...on my list for this week | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah just want to tag related reviews for tracking on that bug/bp if possible :) that way we can say "no no we're planning on implementing tests" and see what we need to incorporate. that way we don't miss something | 18:25 |
| stevemar | but we still don't have anything that tests the example scripts? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, hmm...good question | 18:26 |
| bknudson | ayoung: seems like auth_token always worked that way -- cached tokens aren't checked if they're revoked | 18:26 |
| ayoung | that bug is a Server bug, and it needs this patch in order to issue signed tokens | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, the plan is to work on that specifically in Juno, tag it to J1 or such so we have a timeline but not require it before. | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, that way it's on the radar we have a timeline, but we don't block work | 18:26 |
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| morganfainberg | and yes, i'll commit to getting that work done if we get down to the wire on it | 18:27 |
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| morganfainberg | but hopefully i can convince everyone to collaborate on it vs. just waiting till it gets done at the last minute | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so the client patch is partial, and the Compressed PKI provider would be the other half. I have not yet written it, as it won't pass check until the client is avaialb3e. It is a simple one line difference from the current PKI provider | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, you are correct, but we have a patch going through right now that is attempting to rectify that: let me see if I can find the link | 18:28 |
| gyee | bknudson, ayoung, didn't we have the same discussion last week about the other patch which does the same thing? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gyee, heh, yeah | 18:29 |
| ayoung | from the other side | 18:29 |
| bknudson | gyee: right, that patch merged and now uuid-only setup fails... because there's no revocation list | 18:29 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: could you post the keystone server changes for compressed tokens so I can try it/ | 18:30 |
| gyee | bknudson, I thought that patch is token format independent | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, wilco | 18:30 |
| bknudson | gyee: I thought it was too | 18:30 |
| stevemar | ayoung, i like the idea of supporting a bunch of group names in mapping, but probably needs to be thought out a bit more, perfect for a side session in the dev lounge | 18:30 |
| ayoung | stevemar, ++ | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | gyee: but if you use uuid tokens you probably didn't pki_setup, so auth_token can't get the revocation list | 18:31 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I think we can do ity without an API change, actually, just a change on the enforcement of the rules processing | 18:31 |
| gyee | bknudson, ahhhh! I remember now | 18:31 |
| bknudson | gyee: and with the change we check UUID tokens against the revocation list | 18:31 |
| gyee | there's also a bug about requiring PKI setup even though token format is set to UUID | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, agreed, it might just open a discussion about how to handle domains, and we should get others opinion on that too | 18:32 |
| stevemar | s/might/will | 18:32 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I('m OK with that. Lets make it as painful as possible for people to stay on UUID tokens! But seriously...I wonder what the right logic is? Maybe check_revocations needs to be configurable. | 18:32 |
| bknudson | gyee: so my proposed fix is to allow auth_token to fail to fetch the revocation list | 18:32 |
| gyee | stevemar, you mean hierarchical domains? :D | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it should be Closes-Bug in the client then, we'd track against keystone itself separately | 18:32 |
| stevemar | gyee, the old fashioned normal one | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, that makes sense...I'll change | 18:33 |
| stevemar | gyee, not those crazy new fangled hierarchical ones | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, the bug should be filed against server and client if it needs to be tracked in both places. | 18:33 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, it is | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i haven't been following - but that doesn't sound right - why would you need them to fail to fetch the list? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | just listed as "affects" | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah easy then | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yep see it | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: you can still revoke a UUID token | 18:34 |
| gyee | stevemar, I am hungry for a hierarchical in-and-out burger, maybe I'll get one after the meeting | 18:34 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: fetching the revocation list fails because there's no PKI certs. | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: why? all it should need is the CA cert from the server | 18:35 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: the server doesn't have a CA cert... if you're using UUID tokens why do you need CA cert? | 18:35 |
| bknudson | deployments didn't need it before this change. | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | did we not allow UUID token revocations before this then? i was under the impression that we did | 18:36 |
| gyee | jamielennox, for UUID, validation is over the network | 18:36 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: we did allow it. But we never checked the revocation list for UUID tokens. | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | gyee: but we would always allow cachig | 18:36 |
| gyee | jamielennox, right, caching is a security tradeoff | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | gyee: the revocation list was just a way to remove the UUID token from memcache before it expired | 18:37 |
| gyee | security-performance tradeoff | 18:37 |
| gyee | jamielennox, if we really want to do it right, have a lightweight process to listening on the events and update the cache accordingly | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | gyee: i think caching should be a given, but how long you cache for is the trade off! | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | gyee: yea, you mentioned that and i've no idea how you architect it | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | gyee: really we should have all the auth_tokens listening for notifications from keystone | 18:38 |
| gyee | dolphm, absolutely! but that's a decision customer needs to make | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | but you can't really do something like that in middleware | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: why not? | 18:39 |
| gyee | jamielennox, what is caching for anyway, if what you wanted is real time validation | 18:39 |
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| dstanek | i'd be worried if we only listened for revocation events and didn't have a list or something to catchup the process (or validate that is has what it needs) | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: well it | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: ++ the list is critical, which is why we started there | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: well it's python you can do almost anything - but would you need to spawn a subprocess or something? because you need a server that can respond to notifications and middleware can't do that | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | gyee: i was just under the impression that we used to allow that - i guess we must never have | 18:41 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: oh i didn't read "lightweight process" as "subprocess" - i just read that as message listener | 18:42 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, security and performance is one of those things that will need constant calibrations | 18:42 |
| gyee | its not a one size fits all | 18:42 |
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| gyee | what we can offer is flexibility, really | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: right - but middleware is only triggered on an incoming request as a wrapper. if we wanted to actually have a listener then that would require a new thread of control that could sit and listen somehow | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | it could gobble up all the messages when it woke up | 18:43 |
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| gyee | bknudson, there's no wake up | 18:43 |
| bknudson | and if it got too far behind then it'd get the full list | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | gyee: there is - per request | 18:44 |
| gyee | its a separate process which always listening on the revocation events | 18:44 |
| bknudson | amqp? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: you should be able to create a listening on __init__, no? | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: do the queue implementations support that - what if it's getting a request/day | 18:44 |
| dolphm | listener* | 18:44 |
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| gyee | ampq doesn't support pushing? | 18:45 |
| dstanek | if you register a callback from a notification won't that callback be executed as the notification arrives and not need a request? | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: sure - but it still needs to be a thread/subprocess | 18:45 |
| gyee | or it is strictly a pull model | 18:45 |
| gyee | ? | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: all this stuff is controlled by an event loop somewhere, we *could* try to get access to that from middleware but that's crossign boundaries | 18:46 |
| bknudson | btw -- the way nova works with the default setup is that there's a separate in-memory cache for each "thread" | 18:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: both/either | 18:47 |
| bknudson | so one thread could have the token cached and it works and another doesn't have the token cached and it fails | 18:47 |
| gyee | dolphm, both/either sounds good :-) | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: is nova handling this differently? | 18:48 |
| gyee | bknudson, they have the *option* to use a distributed cache no? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i think he's just referring to auth_token's default in-memory token cache | 18:48 |
| dolphm | there's nothing specific about nova in the example | 18:48 |
| bknudson | gyee: I'm guessing if they use memcache they'd have consistent results. | 18:49 |
| bknudson | memcache for token caching seems like overkill | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, heh | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | so, does anyone know how the other projects support integrating the HTTP listener event loop with the AMQP event loop? | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | i haven't done that | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, not sure. | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | does it 'just work' because of socket.select()? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, it might "just work" | 18:50 |
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| jamielennox | because in that case we might be able to spawn a listener in __init__ | 18:51 |
| bknudson | what project would be listening for amqp events? | 18:51 |
| dolphm | bknudson: auth_token | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | although then we would have a listener per worker process which is not ideal | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: ceilometer is the main one i think | 18:52 |
| gyee | jamielennox, make it configurable, per process or shared | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, the way the fan-out queues work that would be most correct if auth_token itself was meant to listen for that for a thread-local cache | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, /for a/with a | 18:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, make revocation checking a configurable option is, I think the only solution. | 18:53 |
| ayoung | And, no, we are not spawing a separate thread for it. | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea because it will be a lot of extra work for a memcache setup to have every listener try to remove a token from the cache | 18:53 |
| bknudson | ayoung: ok, I'll take a look at that as a solution | 18:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, the issue is that the server doesn't know if the token format is PKI or UUID, and it doesn't know if it should be looking for revocation events. With PKI, revocation (events or list) is a must have, with UUID, it is a nice-to-have....but with caching, it really should be required | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, depending on the number of workers | 18:55 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I might have an option to check revocation list for UUID tokens? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | bknudson, there is no way to distinguish | 18:55 |
| ayoung | it might have been issued as PKI, but thne the MD5/SHA256 submitted as the token itself | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | 5 minutes | 18:55 |
| ayoung | it will be treated as a Keystone lookup....but by the time it gets put in memcahced, that detail is forgotten | 18:55 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: 2? | 18:56 |
| bknudson | ayoung: if auth_token gets a MD5 hash of PKI token it typically goes to the server | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, maybe the clock here is off then \ | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: why do you need the revocation list for UUID tokens? | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, here = my computer | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you need to validate them online to populate headers anyway | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, caching. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, if auth)_token is caching, you don't ask keystone for token validity | 18:57 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: because you already have, and trust that cached data for some duration | 18:57 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: what does that have to do with the revocation list? | 18:57 |
| gyee | :-) | 18:57 |
| dolphm | (time) | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, you could use the revocation list to know if you should trust that token (uuid or not) | 18:57 |
| bknudson | the revocation list is cached on a different schedule | 18:57 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 18:58:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-29-17.59.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-29-17.59.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-29-17.59.log.html | 18:58 |
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| jeblair | anyone around for the infra meeting? | 18:58 |
| zaro | o/ | 18:58 |
| sdague | o/ | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:58 |
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| jeblair | it's the designated week off for the project so no worries if you're, you know, actually taking the week off. :) | 18:58 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 29 18:59:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 18:59 |
| jeblair | Agenda: | 18:59 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:59 |
| jeblair | Last meeting: | 18:59 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-22-19.01.html | 18:59 |
| jeblair | #topic Gerrit upgrade | 18:59 |
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| lifeless | o/ ping if you need me otherwise I'm in -> -alt | 18:59 |
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| fungi | heyo | 19:00 |
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| fungi | we're early? | 19:00 |
| aburaschi1 | hi | 19:00 |
| jeblair | i think this is the only thing we really have on the agenda... | 19:00 |
| jeblair | fungi: are we? | 19:00 |
| sdague | not any more :) | 19:00 |
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| fungi | heh | 19:00 |
| jeblair | so, we upgraded! | 19:01 |
| sdague | yay! | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | i have a few things on the punch list | 19:01 |
| aburaschi1 | \o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | * something's weird with tag jobs | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | * turbo hipster's vote looks wrong on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86443/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | * and of course we need to restart for the cosmetic changes | 19:02 |
| jeblair | that's all i have right now; am i missing anything? | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah | 19:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it was re restart ;) | 19:02 |
| anteaya | searching for strings doesn't seem to work | 19:02 |
| anteaya | regex's work | 19:02 |
| dims | jeblair, and "recheck migrations" did not work on that same review | 19:02 |
| fungi | i'm as of yet unconvinced turbo-hipster is operable. it ignored dims's recheck | 19:02 |
| fungi | that | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i'm not really concerned about that. turbo-hipster inc has their own crack team of ops to deal with that... | 19:03 |
| sdague | jeblair: I noticed merge collision not -2ing a patch | 19:03 |
| clarkb | they probably need a regex update | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: hey | 19:03 |
| anteaya | clarkb: you are on holidays | 19:03 |
| jeblair | clarkb: heh, you're terrible at vacations | 19:03 |
| jeblair | sdague: link? | 19:03 |
| sdague | let me go dig it up | 19:04 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44714/ | 19:04 |
| jeblair | (re turbo-hipster -- it's the fact that it was -1 then +1 but the approval summary still said -1 that's troubling) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | agreed | 19:04 |
| jeblair | oh good grief, what's the deal with the bird? | 19:04 |
| clarkb | not really here >_> | 19:04 |
| jeblair | we should get rid of that | 19:04 |
| zaro | anteaya: what do you mean about searching for strings? | 19:05 |
| sdague | hah, I totally missed the bird when I looked at it this morning | 19:05 |
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| sdague | I noticed that change because it was in my review list as 'submitted' | 19:05 |
| jesusaurus | well, turbo-hipster +1'd patch 21 after -1'ing patch 23, so the -1 is accurate | 19:05 |
| anteaya | zaro: if you look at teh backscroll with tjones and myself today, she was looking for message:"spawn refactor - phase 1" to return results | 19:05 |
| fungi | jesusaurus: good eye | 19:05 |
| anteaya | it didn't | 19:05 |
| sdague | "Submitted, Merge Pending" that is | 19:06 |
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| ianw | re gerrit upgrage : is it a known issue that the regex matching for jenkins results isn't doing the formatting any more? | 19:06 |
| jeblair | sdague: oh, that's actually a missing dependency, not a conflict -- that's something we should fix in zuul | 19:06 |
| anteaya | zaro: I got her going again with topic:^bp/vmware-spawn.* but taht doesn't solve the string search issue | 19:06 |
| sdague | ok | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | sdague: but i think it's consistent with old behavior | 19:06 |
| fungi | jeblair: i think jesusaurus's insight explains the turbo-hipster -1 rather well | 19:06 |
| jeblair | fungi, jesusaurus: thanks for catching that; i'm striking it from the punch list | 19:07 |
| zaro | anteaya: hmm, i remember that working for me. | 19:07 |
| anteaya | ianw: what regex? | 19:07 |
| sdague | ok, then it can wait until later | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | also, wow that change was started a long time ago. :) | 19:07 |
| fungi | ianw: the formatting is what we've got a pending fix merged for, awaiting the next reasonable timme to restart gerrit | 19:07 |
| anteaya | fungi: would that explain my outcome with tjones? | 19:08 |
| sdague | yep | 19:08 |
| ianw | fungi: ok, thanks | 19:08 |
| fungi | anteaya: unrelated | 19:08 |
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| anteaya | hmmmm | 19:08 |
| sdague | jeblair: so question on dashboards, where do those go? (i.e. how do I submit them) | 19:09 |
| fungi | anteaya: i think ianw was asking about the regular expressions used in commentlink configuration within gerrit, not having to do with search queries | 19:09 |
| anteaya | oh | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | sdague: i think mordred was looking into how to do that. they are special branches in the repo -- my guess is we might want to have jeepyb do it, or we might want to set up those branches for review. | 19:10 |
| ianw | anteaya: yeah, the regex's in https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/gerrit.pp | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | sdague: i think in the interim, we can manually push some in when you're ready | 19:10 |
| zaro | anteaya: i don't think the spaces work, you need to do "message:spawn message:refactor message:phase .." | 19:10 |
| sdague | jeblair: ok. I can probably convert most of these custom queries to dashboards, but having a way to review / test them would be good | 19:10 |
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| anteaya | zaro: yeah, which is not how I would expect to have to do a string search query | 19:11 |
| sdague | jeblair: ok, I'll see about converting the basic no negative feedback one, that will be the most generic one people will want I think | 19:11 |
| zaro | anteaya: gerrit doc doesn't say it supports what you want :) | 19:11 |
| anteaya | zaro: searching for one word at a time and chaining them with AND worked but was contrary to my expectations | 19:11 |
| anteaya | zaro: you used to be able to search for strings like that | 19:12 |
| jeblair | sdague: yeah, we certainly want to review them; testing them might be hard without just pushing them in to see what happens. though the query language being the same as searches helps. | 19:12 |
| anteaya | and I can't search for message:- or message:"-" | 19:12 |
| anteaya | which was a character in the original string | 19:12 |
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| zaro | interesting, i guess i never tried to search like that before. | 19:13 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh | 19:13 |
| jeblair | any other new-gerrit issues? | 19:13 |
| sdague | anteaya: my guess is secondary indexes are doing stop words, so that's dropped | 19:14 |
| sdague | it's a lucene index on the secondary, right? | 19:14 |
| jeblair | sdague: yes | 19:14 |
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| fungi | links including target="_blank" by default could be considered a new gerrit issue i suppose, though not sure whether it's one we care enough to solve/investigate | 19:14 |
| sdague | yeh, so think less "grep" and more google | 19:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: i wonder if there's an option for that | 19:15 |
| fungi | i don't see a personal preferences option anyway | 19:16 |
| fungi | could be a global setting somewhere, i suppose | 19:16 |
| fungi | i'll dig in the config ref a little | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | we _could_ write a commentlink parser that strips them out | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | (which, i believe technically we have inadvertently done for the zuul links -- it's just inconsistent now) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (or will be after the restart) | 19:18 |
| fungi | true | 19:18 |
| fungi | apparently commentlinks are now configurable per-project as well | 19:19 |
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| sdague | jeblair: I think this is a reasonable inbox zero kind of query - status:open NOT label:Code-Review>=0,self label:Verified>=1,jenkins NOT label:Code-Review<=-1 NOT label:Workflow<=-1 | 19:20 |
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| * sdague <3 queries that can mix label and id | 19:20 | |
| jeblair | yeah that's nice | 19:21 |
| jeblair | sdague: what if you -2 a change? | 19:21 |
| fungi | label:Code-Review<=-1 would include -2 | 19:21 |
| jeblair | derp | 19:22 |
| sdague | :) | 19:22 |
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| sdague | I think my only question is if NOT label:Code-Review>=0,self applies to all patches, or current patch only. If #1, then it probably has to change to >=1 | 19:23 |
| anteaya | my connection had dropped | 19:23 |
| anteaya | what are stop words? | 19:23 |
| sdague | if #2 then it's probably ok | 19:23 |
| fungi | i believe labels only ever apply to the latest patchset | 19:24 |
| jeblair | sdague: i would guess #2 based on my usage... | 19:24 |
| sdague | fungi: ok, cool | 19:24 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm trying to find an instance where I have an old 0 comment | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | #topic Upcoming project renames | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | we have some now | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_project_renames | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | i have some things to do friday and will be out next week | 19:27 |
| fungi | ahh, i missed blazar was finally okayed. awesome | 19:28 |
| jeblair | so i may not be particularly useful in that department for a bit | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | we could just do it on, say, thursday -- or we can see if the crew that's around next week is interested | 19:29 |
| fungi | i could rename things this weekend, but with both you and clarkb travelling that seems unwise. thursday's fine with me though, or roping people into it next week | 19:29 |
| fungi | i have no real preference and can do it whenever | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: i lean toward deferring it right now, we have quite a bit on our plate while being short-staffed | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | (i think i'm not eager to make _more_ work for us right now) | 19:31 |
| fungi | fair enough | 19:31 |
| jeblair | it being the first 2.8 rename, we could have... surprises. | 19:31 |
| fungi | i'll bring it up next thursday and see how those who are around feel about viability | 19:31 |
| fungi | er, next tuesday (in the meeting) | 19:31 |
| jeblair | *nod* | 19:32 |
| anteaya | can you create a test repo and rename it prior to next tuesday | 19:32 |
| anteaya | would that have any value? | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | guess not, since you can never delete anything in gerrit | 19:32 |
| jeblair | anteaya: on review-dev, sure, if we have time. | 19:32 |
| anteaya | oh okay, yeah there | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | anything else? | 19:33 |
| ianw | just wanted to chase up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86842/ | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | zaro: you were going to change the db schema on review-dev to match the db schema on review, were you not? | 19:35 |
| fungi | ianw: i'm cool with merging that later today, after i confirm i have no other gotchas in nodepool | 19:35 |
| jeblair | fungi, ianw: ++ | 19:35 |
| ianw | thanks | 19:36 |
| jeblair | well, thanks everyone, and enjoy the rest of the "off week" :) | 19:37 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 29 19:37:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-29-18.59.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-29-18.59.txt | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-29-18.59.log.html | 19:37 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | ttx, did I miss the TC meeting? | 20:06 |
| dolphm | zehicle_at_dell: nope, most of the big meetings are cancelled this week per the release schedule | 20:07 |
| dolphm | zehicle_at_dell: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 20:07 |
| zehicle_at_dell | whew, ok | 20:07 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | dolphm, I'm reading next week as the off week. | 20:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | dolphm, nm. I see it's thursday based | 20:09 |
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| dolphm | zehicle_at_dell: ++ | 20:09 |
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| rustlebee | break week \o/ | 20:19 |
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