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| tnurlygayanov | Hi all! | 16:06 |
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| dzimine | hi | 16:07 |
| tnurlygayanov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 21 16:07:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:07 |
| manask | hi | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | hi | 16:08 |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Mistral Weekly Meeting | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mistral Weekly Meeting (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:08 | |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Review the AIs | 16:08 |
| m4dcoder | o/ | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review the AIs (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:08 | |
| tnurlygayanov | Hi Mistral team | 16:08 |
| tnurlygayanov | today we again have meeting without Renat | 16:09 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, let's discribe the status of action items from the previous meeting | 16:09 |
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| tnurlygayanov | we have several important questions for today's meeting | 16:10 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, Renat plan to finish the presentation for Mistral demo to 04/23 | 16:11 |
| tnurlygayanov | and he works on it right now | 16:11 |
| dzimine | demo scenario all works, correct? | 16:11 |
| tnurlygayanov | also I know that Renat and Nikolay work on code for demo scenario | 16:12 |
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| tnurlygayanov | NikolayM, any updates for this? | 16:12 |
| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, I think yes, Nikolay can shae tha detailed status | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | dzimine, yes, all demo work fine now | 16:13 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, cool | 16:14 |
| NikolayM | today I've finished pretty logging (also output to console) to watch the progress of any execution | 16:15 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, what about your progress for the last week? | 16:15 |
| tnurlygayanov | on this week I just have reviewed several commits. | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | and also I found small bug related to dataflow | 16:16 |
| tnurlygayanov | NikolayM, can you please describe the progress for the lst week, not only for today :) | 16:16 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info NikolayM has finished pretty logging (also output to console) to watch the progress of any execution | 16:17 |
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| tnurlygayanov | m4dcoder Hi :) | 16:17 |
| tnurlygayanov | m4dcoder what about your progress for the last week? | 16:17 |
| m4dcoder | hey! | 16:17 |
| m4dcoder | completed coding for the engine standalone process bp | 16:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, as I know Mistral PoC now is ready for demo | 16:18 |
| m4dcoder | submitted it for review | 16:18 |
| dzimine | I mainly did reviews and worked with Renat re presentatoin and planning next steps. Share what we've decided once we move to "next steps". | 16:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, cool | 16:18 |
| dzimine | Most of the work is between manask and enykeev | 16:18 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #info has completed coding for the engine standalone process bp and submitted it for review | 16:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info m4dcoder has completed coding for the engine standalone process bp and submitted it for review | 16:19 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info dzimine prgress - Most of the work is between manask and enykeev | 16:19 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | Timur, last week I fixed some bugs with action design and demo scenario | 16:19 |
| tnurlygayanov | manask, Hi :) | 16:19 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info NikolayM - last week I fixed some bugs with action design and demo scenario | 16:20 |
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| tnurlygayanov | manask, what about your progress for this week? | 16:20 |
| manask | I sent out a review for broken tests. | 16:20 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info manask sent out a review for broken tests. | 16:20 |
| manask | It is still under review and since there are intermittent issues | 16:20 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:21 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so. enykeev? | 16:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | or enykeev == m4dcoder ? (sorry, I don't remember all nicks) | 16:22 |
| m4dcoder | enykeev is different person | 16:22 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, sorry. He is on the meeting? | 16:22 |
| tnurlygayanov | looks like no | 16:23 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, let's move on | 16:23 |
| tnurlygayanov | #topic Demo Scenario and How We Will Show It | 16:23 |
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| dzimine | For enykeev - looked at cleaning up the Action interface, got a first draft ready (not sure if it's on a review, didn't see it) | 16:24 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ok, thank you, Dmitry. | 16:27 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info enykeev - looked at cleaning up the Action interface, got a first draft ready (not sure if it's on a review, didn't see it) | 16:27 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, about the POC screencast | 16:28 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #topic POC screencast | 16:28 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Renat suggest to not implement Dashboard and show the first screencast without the dashboard | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | And it will be cool if dashboard will be implemented :) | 16:29 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, looks like we will create the basic dashboad about 1-2 weeks also and we can make the screencast without the dashboard | 16:30 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, of course | 16:30 |
| tnurlygayanov | we want to have the dashboard too | 16:30 |
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| tnurlygayanov | but also we want to make the screencast asap :) | 16:30 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, I suggest to show the first screencast without dashboard and after that make the another screencast with the dashboard | 16:31 |
| dzimine | AFAIK the plan is: screencast now, dashboard by summt | 16:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | we can name the release with dashboard Mistral 0.1 | 16:31 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:31 |
| dzimine | and if we have time to re-do screencast with the dashboard we will. | 16:31 |
| dzimine | enykeev will be working on it this week. | 16:32 |
| dzimine | on dashboad. | 16:32 |
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| dzimine | Nikolay's pretty_log changes are sufficient for a techy screencast. | 16:32 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, cool | 16:32 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info screencast the plan is: screencast now, dashboard by summit | 16:33 |
| tnurlygayanov | #info sceencast and if we have time to re-do screencast with the dashboard we will. | 16:33 |
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| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, we have described this patch with Nikolay today. | 16:34 |
| tnurlygayanov | now it looks good. | 16:34 |
| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, I see your comment.. :) | 16:35 |
| tnurlygayanov | so, do we have the another AI to discuss on today's meeting? | 16:36 |
| tnurlygayanov | let's to descuss the AIs for the next week | 16:36 |
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| tnurlygayanov | I plan to fix issues with pep8 and configure pep8 checks for each commit - now we have some problems with it | 16:37 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action Timur: fix issues with pep8 and configure pep8 checks for each commit - now we have some problems with it | 16:37 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action Timur: review commits | 16:37 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #action enykeev: working on Mistral Dashboard | 16:38 |
| tnurlygayanov | dzimine, NikolayM, manask, what about you? | 16:38 |
| tnurlygayanov | do we have some plans for the next week? :) | 16:39 |
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| m4dcoder | i plan to move the instantiation of ScalableEngine to use stevedore and renaming the current ScalableEngine to POC engine | 16:39 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #action: m4dcoder move the instantiation of ScalableEngine to use stevedore and renaming the current ScalableEngine to POC engine | 16:40 |
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| manask | No specific plans. Will pick up things if they come along my way. | 16:41 |
| NikolayM | I plan to fix next bugs with dataflow | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action: manask will pick up things if they come along my way. | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | #action: NikolayM fix next bugs with dataflow | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, cool | 16:42 |
| tnurlygayanov | looks like a plan :) | 16:43 |
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| tnurlygayanov | so, I know that Renat will prepare the screencast | 16:43 |
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| tnurlygayanov | #action Renat prepare the screencast for Mistral | 16:46 |
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| manask | sounds like we are done? | 16:49 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:50 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:51 |
| manask | perfect. Thanks! | 16:51 |
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| tnurlygayanov | thank you guys for this meeting | 16:52 |
| tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 16:52:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-21-16.07.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-21-16.07.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-21-16.07.log.html | 16:52 |
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| JoshNang | o/ | 18:59 |
| Shrews | \o | 18:59 |
| jroll | \o | 18:59 |
| vkozhukalov | here | 18:59 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:59 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 21 19:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda is here | 19:00 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Hi | 19:00 |
| comstud | o/ | 19:00 |
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| devananda | yesterday was the deadline for summit proposals -- and the summit's coming up really soon! | 19:00 |
| devananda | so i'd like to talk about the **18** proposals we have alraedy received | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:01 |
| devananda | and how to prioritize them, since we only have 4 slots | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | wow 18 | 19:01 |
| devananda | #topic summit proposals | 19:01 |
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| jroll | devananda: there's plenty of unconference time for things that don't get slots, yes? | 19:02 |
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| devananda | jroll: there is unconference time, yes | 19:02 |
| jroll | cool :) | 19:02 |
| devananda | another aspect everyone should be aware of | 19:02 |
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| devananda | our four slots are on tuesday, co-timed with the cross-project workshops | 19:02 |
| devananda | which some of us will need to attend, too | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:03 |
| linggao__ | o/ | 19:03 |
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| devananda | of the 18 sessions, broadly, i see a few categories of topics | 19:03 |
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| devananda | scale/speed/stability | 19:03 |
| devananda | new features/third-party drivers/make it work for some particular flavor of hardware | 19:04 |
| devananda | architectural changes | 19:04 |
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| devananda | my opinion is that, geting everyone together to talk about a *specific* feature or third-party driver or piece of hardware | 19:05 |
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| devananda | is not an efficient use of those four slots | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | +1 | 19:05 |
| devananda | and those proposals are better run in the unconference space during the week | 19:05 |
| devananda | i'd like y'all's opinion on that | 19:05 |
| * jroll nods | 19:05 | |
| JoshNang | +1 | 19:05 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:05 |
| matty_dubs | That seems quite reasonable to me. | 19:05 |
| devananda | ok, cool | 19:06 |
| linggao__ | +1 | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | yeah makes sense for me as well | 19:06 |
| jroll | I (somewhat selfishly) wonder if the agent model counts as a specific feature or more of an architecture thing :) | 19:06 |
| devananda | architectural things are a bit more important for everyone to be involved in // aware of | 19:06 |
| devananda | jroll: right - i was just going to point that out | 19:06 |
| GheRivero | +1 | 19:06 |
| matty_dubs | Yeah, I was actually thinking of the agent stuff as the possible exception | 19:06 |
| jroll | since we've talked about making it the default at some point | 19:06 |
| jroll | ok | 19:06 |
| matty_dubs | Though I don't have a strongly-vested interested | 19:07 |
| devananda | i'd put the following sessions in that category | 19:07 |
| devananda | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/405 | 19:07 |
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| devananda | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/325 | 19:07 |
| devananda | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/225 | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah I think we are going towards having the agent as default (I expect it at least) | 19:07 |
| devananda | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/121 | 19:07 |
| devananda | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/100 | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | #405? Multi-tenancy using Ironic | 19:08 |
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| devananda | for those that dont want to click everthing | 19:08 |
| devananda | oh, there's a few others too. i'll just type out the titles... | 19:08 |
| devananda | multitenancy, chassis level operations (two proposals), widnows deployment, hardware control functions | 19:09 |
| devananda | and IPA, which seems to require some rearchitecture | 19:09 |
| devananda | or at least some changes to architecture, to do what ya'll want | 19:10 |
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| devananda | i think we can condense all that into two sessions | 19:10 |
| devananda | (but maybe i'm overly optimistic) | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: how do you see multitenancy as part of the session | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | that could lead us down several rabbit holes (no pun intented) | 19:12 |
| devananda | yep | 19:12 |
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| devananda | every time that comes up, it leads us into long unresolvable discussions of firmware security | 19:13 |
| devananda | but | 19:13 |
| devananda | there are some things we can do to mitigate the other aspects | 19:13 |
| devananda | i dont feel like that needs a session unto itself. we'll just rehash those discussions from the last summit | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | +1 I would put that one in the if theres time catagory | 19:14 |
| jroll | I feel like multi-tenancy is a good one to bump to unconf so we can all argue for a few hours :) | 19:15 |
| devananda | k | 19:15 |
| jroll | friendly arguments of course :P | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | I would be happy to sit down and talk about it.. just not sure its worth one of or pressious slots | 19:15 |
| devananda | jroll: sure | 19:15 |
| matty_dubs | I think it'd be interesting if we could be fairly aggressive in identifying things we need to hash out in separate discussions | 19:15 |
| jroll | you know we won't be able to stop that one on time | 19:15 |
| matty_dubs | For that one | 19:15 |
| devananda | jroll: i think that some usable action items can come out of it (doc the risks, do better network isolation, etc) | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | we could do it over drinks.. :) might be more fun that way | 19:16 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: +1 | 19:16 |
| jroll | devananda: agreed | 19:16 |
| devananda | also, i think we need a session to discuss what the road towards graduation looks like | 19:16 |
| devananda | a whole session jsut for that | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | +1 with defined action items | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1! | 19:17 |
| jroll | I'd like to get the nova people in on that if y'all feel it's necessary | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | (at the end) | 19:17 |
| devananda | getting Ironic to graduate is my primary goal for the project this cycle | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1, I put one up, but I think we need to have the nova one first | 19:17 |
| devananda | jroll: that's a separate session :) | 19:17 |
| devananda | #Link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 | 19:17 |
| devananda | so the nova one CANT happen first | 19:18 |
| jroll | ah, ok | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | yeah that ^ | 19:18 |
| devananda | nova track is wed/thu/fri | 19:18 |
| devananda | our track is tuesday | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | :/ | 19:18 |
| devananda | hm | 19:18 |
| matty_dubs | Oh, tangential, but I updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion based on the changes to the upstream doc | 19:18 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: thanks! | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | but we can go to nova with a well defined plan for our graduation | 19:18 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: do you feel we should wait until after the nova session to have the "road to juno" session in an unconference room? | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I do... we have a hard depedency on the things on nova | 19:19 |
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| NobodyCam | I think it would be better for us to have a plan and make changes if we need to based on nova's input | 19:19 |
| devananda | mikal: hi! you're probably not awake yet, but this would be a good question for you, too. let's chat later :) | 19:19 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: indeed | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we can make sure we are prepare for the nova one, have the topics and arguments up and ready | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | and then after it the ironic one should be quite straight forward | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | we would know what to do | 19:20 |
| jroll | I think we should have the session tuesday, and then maybe loop back around after the nova talks | 19:20 |
| jroll | as needed | 19:20 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: independent of nova, we can discuss what else is required | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: + that would be my first vote. | 19:21 |
| devananda | testing, docs, ceilometer ,horizon, etc | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | right, yeah... | 19:21 |
| devananda | we're supposed to integrate with all of those too, and so far, haven't done much | 19:21 |
| jroll | is ceilometer a requirement for graduation? | 19:21 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, hmm I don't think we are... I'm a bit confused about it as well | 19:22 |
| devananda | jroll: heat and horizon definitely are. there's discussion/implication that integration with all integrated projects is required | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I do not think so... nova Bmdoes not work with Ceilometer currently | 19:23 |
| devananda | heat doesn't apply in our case, fwiw | 19:23 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: it doesn't have to do with what nova-bm does/not do | 19:23 |
| devananda | new integrated prjoects must integrate with existing integrated projects | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | ack :) | 19:23 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, we need to have pair functionality with nova bm, and it's not deprecated... so if someone implements some ceilometer integration in nova bm that will become a graduation requirement for us as well | 19:23 |
| jroll | ok | 19:23 |
| jroll | yeah | 19:23 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: hm, well, no one should do that -- but we still need it, IMO | 19:23 |
| devananda | because we've got a clear interaction point with ceilometer, discussion at the last summit with them about it, | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah, I would -1 that in nova bm >:D | 19:24 |
| devananda | and ongoing work on the ML and in gerrit for it | 19:24 |
| devananda | similarly, nova-bm has no horizon plugin, but we'll need it | 19:24 |
| devananda | anyway | 19:24 |
| devananda | let | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yup, eglynn is the new ceilometer ptl and I think he's looking at ironic | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | not nova bm for it | 19:24 |
| devananda | let's unwind to the topic of sessions (not have one now :) ) | 19:24 |
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| devananda | i think there's a lot for us to talk about, in addition to the nova-bm deprecation plan | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | heehe | 19:25 |
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| devananda | so, i see 3 slots filled so far | 19:25 |
| devananda | 1. road to juno | 19:25 |
| devananda | 2. ironic-python-agent | 19:25 |
| devananda | 3. other architectural changes | 19:25 |
| devananda | (i'll merge several proposals and come up with a list of those) | 19:26 |
| devananda | fourth slot -- what's going to be the most useful for everyone? | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | 4. how to track all teh ironic etherpads :-p | 19:26 |
| jroll | ^^ | 19:26 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: metapad! | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 19:27 |
| devananda | i'm seeing ya'lls input here | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | how about changing blue print to be review based worth a session? | 19:27 |
| jroll | I'd like to talk about scalability | 19:27 |
| devananda | ah | 19:27 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 19:27 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: is anybody against that? are there hard questions to answer? | 19:27 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: i dont think that's worth a whole session. no one has objected ... | 19:27 |
| devananda | jroll: scalability and performance seems like a good topic | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | scalability problems seems to be the one, since the main (or one of) characteristics of openstack is scalability | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | ack. :) scalability to me also implys we have the ablity to messure our perforamce | 19:28 |
| devananda | it's much more useful to talk about scalability | 19:29 |
| devananda | when we have hard numbers | 19:29 |
| devananda | anyone have resources (hardware and time) to do some benchmarks | 19:29 |
| devananda | ? | 19:30 |
| jroll | someone was working on that... | 19:30 |
| * jroll tries to think of who exactly | 19:30 | |
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| devananda | boris-42 was talking about rally, iirc | 19:30 |
| jroll | I have hardware and might could find some time, but I don't want to make any promises | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/275 | 19:30 |
| jroll | yes | 19:30 |
| comstud | we will probably do some scale testing ourselves... soon | 19:30 |
| comstud | i suppose we already did some | 19:30 |
| comstud | wrt that that thread starvation issue | 19:30 |
| jroll | right | 19:30 |
| comstud | :) | 19:31 |
| devananda | aiui, rally would let us get perf data from runs inside a cloud | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | I think romcheg was looking at some benchmarks as well | 19:31 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: afaik romcheg is working right now on implementing some rally related stuff to test API performance | 19:31 |
| devananda | i'm thinking more along the lines of a) on real hardware b) meaasuring concurrency c) changing parameters, like # of conductors, and seeing how (b) changes | 19:31 |
| devananda | so API perf is useful but not the whole picture | 19:31 |
| vkozhukalov | at least it is something to discuss | 19:32 |
| devananda | i'm also very interested in conductor performance, identifying IO/network bottlenetcks (and validating suspected ones) | 19:32 |
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| matty_dubs | I don't have much experience with this, but I have access to a small number of beefy boxes if that's useful. | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | seems there is enough about scalability that could fill a slot | 19:32 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: beefy boxes == test with lots of VMs | 19:32 |
| jroll | right, I'm more interested in conductor performance | 19:32 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: but that should be fairly easy with devstack. change # of VMs, then issue lots of "nova boot" | 19:33 |
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| devananda | matty_dubs: do you have time to work on that? I'm happy to assist -- I have several years' experience with benchmarking systems | 19:33 |
| matty_dubs | devananda: I can probably make some time for this, but I'd need some guidance. | 19:34 |
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| matty_dubs | I'm also the son of a performance engineer ;) | 19:34 |
| devananda | :) | 19:34 |
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| devananda | matty_dubs: thanks! let's talk after the meeting | 19:34 |
| matty_dubs | Sure thing. | 19:34 |
| devananda | ok! going to give a few more minutes if anyone has thoughts/objections/ | 19:35 |
| devananda | or feels like omg-i-have-to-talk-about-kittens at the summit | 19:35 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: boris-42 is sitting next to me in the office so i could be helpful, but i prefer to concentrate on IPA stuff | 19:35 |
| devananda | and then move on | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | +1 for fourth slot being on scalability | 19:35 |
| jroll | vkozhukalov: we need to benchmark deploying through IPA too :) | 19:35 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: having some API performance tests from rally would be great | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | scalability & kittens | 19:36 |
| matty_dubs | NobodyCam: Sold! | 19:36 |
| devananda | jroll: i'd love to see a comparative test on real hw between dib's ramdisk and IPA | 19:36 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: jroll: ok, will think about what i can do | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1, kittens r nice, we should have pics of kittens while deploying a node... we can fetch them from flickr or something | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | http://dailykitten.com | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 19:37 |
| devananda | #agreed summit slot usage will be: road to juno, IPA, other arch changes, perf & scaling. | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | http://dailykitten.com/feed/ = KaaS? (Kittens as a Service) | 19:37 |
| devananda | #action devananda to merge and bump other sessions, see about reserving a block of unconference space | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | w/ pictures of cute kittens | 19:38 |
| jroll | devananda: agreed about comparisons | 19:38 |
| devananda | #action matty_dubs to do some benchmarks of ironic-conductor scalability | 19:38 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! moving on | 19:38 |
| devananda | #topic blueprint design process | 19:38 |
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| NobodyCam | matty_dubs: lol...Kaas++++ | 19:39 |
| devananda | anyone _not_ know what this topic is in reference to? | 19:39 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/033081.html | 19:39 |
| devananda | just in case :) | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | the only think I was un happy with was... "the create bad BP" but I can also see the need for a place holder | 19:40 |
| jroll | I think bad is the wrong word | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | s/think/thing/ | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, using gerrit to manage/approve bps? | 19:40 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yes | 19:40 |
| jroll | maybe skeleton is a better word for that | 19:40 |
| jroll | or incomplete | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | or place holder | 19:40 |
| jroll | sure | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | ya ++ | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | +1 place holder | 19:40 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: nova has adopted this. neutron and tripleo and several other projects are moving towards it as well | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | anything other then "BAD: | 19:41 |
| devananda | there's a summit track on this, too | 19:41 |
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| devananda | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/3 | 19:41 |
| devananda | given that, I'm inclined to hold off on implementing anything in Ironic until after that summit track | 19:41 |
| devananda | s/track/session/ | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right... I think it's a good move (as I expressed in the ML), we def need a better way to track bps and approve them | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | I would vote to adopt the nova standard after reviewing it | 19:42 |
| devananda | cool | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | one thing I feel about the nova model, is that the template they use for creating a bp is hmm too complicated... I felt that they assume that they person that is proposing the bluepring knows everything before they start | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | so I think we should have it a bit more flexible | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | approve the idea, but leave some implementations details | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | for later | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: and is a bit much for our needs | 19:43 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: *nod* | 19:43 |
| jroll | +1 lucas | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, it's hard to figure out everything that is needed and going to impact before actually start coding it | 19:44 |
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| comstud | I kind of like the implementation being in it | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | we need a flexible template for the submitions | 19:44 |
| comstud | you can leave it blank on first iterations of the BP review. | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | comstud, me too, but it's not always possible | 19:44 |
| comstud | to get an idea if it's worth figuring out the implementation | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | comstud, yeah, having some "phases" of development is fine for me | 19:44 |
| jroll | comstud: right, but wherever this gets written down should explicitly say that so people aren't -1 with 'lol incomplete' | 19:44 |
| comstud | if you don't review the implementation... | 19:45 |
| matty_dubs | Isn't that how patches unfold anyway? Multiple revisions with inline comments? | 19:45 |
| comstud | you'll get a lot of crap code that you have to just -2 anyway | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yes. I see this process as a way to reduce the amount of forgotten gottcha's incountered implamenting BP's | 19:45 |
| comstud | i dunno, just my thoughts offhand | 19:45 |
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| vkozhukalov | is it supposed that we'll start implementing only after final approval of bp? or we are going to have kind of stages? | 19:45 |
| devananda | and the amount of very incomplete/vague BPs that get left hanging (or rejected) because LP is a terrible forum | 19:45 |
| devananda | to discuss features | 19:45 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: yes -- implementation only after BP is approved | 19:46 |
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| devananda | vkozhukalov: one purpose is to create a better system for discussion of features (impact, implementationd etails, API changes, etc) | 19:46 |
| matty_dubs | Is there a risk that BPs will take as long to review as patches? Potentially bouncing around for weeks? | 19:46 |
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| devananda | matty_dubs: yes! that's good though! | 19:46 |
| comstud | I think impl before BP is approved is fine.. it's up to you if you want to risk your time | 19:46 |
| comstud | it's sometimes nice to have reference | 19:46 |
| comstud | it just won't be +A'd until BP is +A'd | 19:46 |
| comstud | heh | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | yeah i like that ^ as well | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | but we can't approve it before it's approved | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, can't approve the code | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | comstud: ++ yes dev just understands that the BP may get changed | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yes | 19:47 |
| devananda | one (if not the main) purpose of this is to create a better system for discussion of features (impact, implementationd etails, API changes, etc) | 19:47 |
| devananda | since launchpad blueprint interface is really terrible for that discussion | 19:47 |
| devananda | it's a good reference point, once the feature is agreed upon, though | 19:48 |
| devananda | eg, for generating release notes | 19:48 |
| Shrews | devananda: how will BP tracking work? | 19:48 |
| devananda | just look at any blueprint that's been around for a few months and had a lengthy design discussion | 19:48 |
| devananda | Shrews: see the original email. it's detailed there | 19:48 |
| devananda | Shrews: tldr; review in gerrit -> +2/+A -> copy/paste to launchpad -> don't change after that (except for status updates) | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: will that cut/past be done by the approver? | 19:49 |
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| devananda | #agreed a more formal (ie, in gerrit) BP review process is good, but we're not going to implement anything until (after) the summit | 19:49 |
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| devananda | #agreed and we need to strike a balance, appropriate for Ironic, between beign too heavy-handed with early requirements and stifling developers | 19:50 |
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| devananda | we've got 10 min left, so i'd like to move on | 19:50 |
| devananda | #topic integration tests | 19:50 |
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| devananda | adam_g: any updates from last week? | 19:50 |
| adam_g | so | 19:51 |
| adam_g | http://logs.openstack.org/92/89392/1/check/check-tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic/26a0ac0/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 19:51 |
| adam_g | all is passing except one neutron test, which im working on right now | 19:51 |
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| devananda | awesome! | 19:51 |
| adam_g | the functional scenario test is up and passing. should have everything green this week and we can start relying on it | 19:51 |
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| jroll | nice! | 19:52 |
| adam_g | thats about it on the QA side | 19:52 |
| devananda | adam_g: think it's time that we prepare a change to infra to enable it? | 19:52 |
| adam_g | devananda, as in get it added as a non-voting job to the other pipelines? | 19:52 |
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| lucasagomes | adam_g, good stuff! | 19:52 |
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| devananda | adam_g: at least move it out of experimental | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | on the tripleO tests I am not seeing the node post back to our api. I am not seeing any errors in the deploy it self, so I am digging into firewall type issues atm | 19:53 |
| adam_g | devananda, sure. what projects do we want it checking? ironic, nova, neutron, tempest, devstack? or everything? | 19:53 |
| devananda | adam_g: same ones where tempest-dsvm-ironic runs today | 19:54 |
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| adam_g | NobodyCam, where are they running? i wrestled with similar issues last week and it turned out to be firewalling | 19:54 |
| devananda | adam_g: actually, i think it -virtual-ironic is already a non-voting job in all the right places | 19:54 |
| adam_g | NobodyCam, or, do you have a URL of some failed results? | 19:55 |
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| adam_g | devananda, okay, cool. ill see what needs to change to get it moved out of experimental and set it as WIP till our tests are green | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: any tripleO-undercloud-ironic test from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85529/ | 19:55 |
| devananda | thanks | 19:55 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:56 |
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| devananda | 4 minutes left :) | 19:56 |
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| * NobodyCam is really thinking of how to work in Kaas as a ironic easter egg | 19:57 | |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, I will try to break the oslo messaging patch into small pieces tomorrow | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, thanks for the review | 19:57 |
| Shrews | rebuild command is nearly done. just need to deal with nova not liking that the node is already powered on. | 19:57 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: I'm OK with it beign a large patch -- it's very interrelated | 19:58 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: just hard to review | 19:58 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah... lots of changes and the commit message is horrible listing all the changes as bullet points | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | one minute | 19:59 |
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| devananda | Shrews: good stuff! perhaps we can just turn the ndoe off at the right time? :) | 19:59 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks everyone! can't wait to see ya'll at the summit in a few weeks!!! | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you all! great meeting | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | is there a meeting next week | 20:00 |
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| matty_dubs | Is it a holiday? | 20:00 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: why wouldn't there be? | 20:00 |
| devananda | afaik, we have 2 more meetings before the summit | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | ??? not sure | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 20:01 |
| devananda | ok | 20:01 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 20:01:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-21-19.00.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-21-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting milk | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 21 20:02:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'milk' | 20:03 |
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| sarob | we have had some downtime the last few weeks | 20:03 |
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| sarob | any milk dev team members present? | 20:03 |
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| sarob | i will close this meeting and start back up at the next one | 20:05 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 20:05:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-04-21-20.02.html | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-04-21-20.02.txt | 20:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-04-21-20.02.log.html | 20:05 |
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| mestery | hi | 21:00 |
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| marios | o/ | 21:00 |
| banix | hello | 21:00 |
| obondarev | hi all | 21:00 |
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| mestery | marios: Hey, thanks for joining us though its late for you! | 21:00 |
| amotoki_ | hi | 21:00 |
| sweston | Greetings :-) | 21:00 |
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| marun | hi | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 21:01 |
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| marios | mestery: thanks, good to be here. am sure there are others for whom it's insanely early. not sure which is worse | 21:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi | 21:01 |
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| emagana | hello | 21:01 |
| mestery | arosen1 markmcclain SumitNaiksatam rkukura nati_ueno: ping | 21:01 |
| mestery | emagana: Yo! | 21:01 |
| arosen1 | hiya! | 21:01 |
| rkukura | mestery: I’m here | 21:01 |
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| Swami | hi all | 21:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Hi | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 21 21:02:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | I wanted to reiterate the new neutron-specs repository for Juno BPs. | 21:03 |
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| mestery | If you have a feature which missed Icehouse, you need to file a BP in neutron-specs and get it approved berfore your code will be allowed to merge. | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Neutron Neutron BP process | 21:03 |
| mestery | I encourage all cores (and non-cores) to please add neutron-specs to your review queue and spend some time reviewing BPs. | 21:04 |
| mestery | We already have 10+ BPs filed, and some good comments on them from the community. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z neutron-specs open reviews | 21:04 |
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| mestery | Any questions on the new BP process? | 21:04 |
| amotoki_ | I would like to know the relationship between BP approver and neutron-specs approver. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: So far, they are both neutron cores. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: wait, did I misinterprate that? | 21:05 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: Do you mean the BP approver in launchpad and the neutron-specs approver? | 21:05 |
| sc68cal | I've seen a couple new bp's registered on the ipv6 side - I'll make sure to tell people tomorrow to get on neutron-specs | 21:05 |
| enikanorov_ | how detailed bp description should be? | 21:05 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Great! | 21:05 |
| amotoki_ | mestery: i mean BP approver is who is set to approver on launchpad approver. | 21:05 |
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| marios | mestery: does this include code for which a review is already in progress (e.g. something i am on v 15 for ) | 21:06 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: It depends on the BP, but enough detail for reviewers to understand the design and be comfortable with the direction./ | 21:06 |
| sc68cal | don't forget: extra credit for using nwdiag | 21:06 |
| mestery | amotoki_: That's a good question. I assume someone who +2s the review in neutron-specs could become launchpad BP approver. | 21:06 |
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| sc68cal | ;) | 21:07 |
| amotoki_ | mestery: yeah. it is a good idea. | 21:07 |
| mestery | marios: If it's not a bug, it needs a spec in neutron-specs. That's been the process so far. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | #info A core who +2s a BP in neutron-specs can add themselves as LP approvers for the BP as well. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | OK, one other announcement | 21:07 |
| marios | mestery: well, it *is* a bug, but is also a feature addition (api change... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62042/) | 21:07 |
| amotoki_ | For neutron-specs, anyone can approve a blueprint in neutron-specs once we have a rough consensus on it. it is important we don't rush to approve. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | marios: that looks like a bug fix, no spec required. :) | 21:08 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: Agreed. | 21:08 |
| marios | mestery: thanks for the clarification | 21:08 |
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| mestery | marios: Sure! | 21:08 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on. We can continue the new BP discussion on the ML and also in Atlanta in person for those who will attend the summit. | 21:08 |
| mestery | I had one more announcement. | 21:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain and I have been talking about the mid-cycle meetup | 21:09 |
| mestery | We think it would good to focus this first on nova-network parity | 21:09 |
| mestery | So that will be the focus for the 3-day get together. | 21:09 |
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| mestery | We'll hopefully settle on date and location next week. | 21:09 |
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| nati_ueno | Sorry late | 21:10 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: np, welcome! | 21:10 |
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| marios | mestery: is a european location out of the question at this point? (I guess has anyone offered to host in EU yet?) | 21:10 |
| mestery | So, I'll continue the discussion on the mid-cycle meetup on the ML. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | marios: We've pretty much settled on a US location, but I think considering EU for a future one is a good idea! | 21:10 |
| marios | sure thanks (sorry silly question should just ask on the mailing list) | 21:11 |
| mestery | marios: No worries. | 21:11 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:11 |
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| mestery | Looks like there are issues with the stable queue at this point: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/033225.html | 21:12 |
| mestery | It's unclear to me if this is mostly an oslo issue or also a neutron issue. | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | I was planning on digging into these tomorrow unless someone wants to start earlier | 21:13 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: I will also dig into this, but won't have time until tomorrow either. | 21:13 |
| mestery | So unless someone beats markmcclain and I to this, we'll hopefully get an understanding of this better tomorrow. | 21:13 |
| mestery | Are there other bugs the team shoudl be aware of now? | 21:13 |
| enikanorov_ | there is one | 21:14 |
| enikanorov_ | just for your info | 21:14 |
| mestery | I see this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1307344 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1307344 in neutron "neutron migrations are not idempotent or invariant to enabled services" [Critical,In progress] | 21:14 |
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| enikanorov_ | tempest scenario test of lbaas is failing pretty often | 21:14 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: Any progress on that one to track a root cause? | 21:15 |
| enikanorov_ | not exactly in neutron, but i just would like you to know that we're taking care of it | 21:15 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: Thanks! | 21:15 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:15 |
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| enikanorov_ | yes, at least we know what has triggered it, but to sure what to do with it... probably revertthe patch | 21:15 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:15 |
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| marun | enikanorov_: feel free to work with me to create a functional test to reproduce ;) | 21:15 |
| mestery | enikanorov_: OK, cool. Thanks for working on that! | 21:15 |
| enikanorov_ | marun: thanks, will think about it | 21:16 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should discuss? | 21:16 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:17 |
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| mestery | emagana: Howdy! | 21:17 |
| emagana | Hi Folks! | 21:17 |
| mestery | emagana: Any updates for us this week? | 21:17 |
| emagana | Good progress by the team | 21:17 |
| emagana | a lot of bugs have been closed!!! | 21:17 |
| mestery | Great! | 21:17 |
| emagana | I have updated the wiki with the remaining work | 21:18 |
| emagana | also (as always) chasing people to take ownership of some bugs :-) | 21:18 |
| mestery | Thanks emagana and team for the work on the docs issues! | 21:18 |
| amotoki_ | Re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1293897 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1293897 in openstack-manuals "Create new IPv6 attributes for Subnets" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:18 |
| emagana | There is one that I want to discuss | 21:18 |
| amotoki_ | iwe can defer it to Juno. | 21:18 |
| marios | question: when a bug has !DocImpact (API change/addition for example) - is this picked up by emagana and team? | 21:18 |
| emagana | marios: Yes! | 21:19 |
| marios | emagana: perfect, thanks | 21:19 |
| marios | emagana: is this picked up by some existing process or should folks report these/ping you/someone else/mailing list etc | 21:19 |
| mestery | amotoki_: Yes, that one can be deferred to Juno for sure since we hid those attributes in Icehouse. | 21:19 |
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| emagana | marios basically it creates a new bug in launchpad tagged as Neutron | 21:20 |
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| emagana | This one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1296997 | 21:20 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1296997 in openstack-manuals "Add script to migrate ovs or lb db to ml2 db" [High,Triaged] | 21:21 |
| emagana | steven weston owns this one but this is very important | 21:21 |
| mestery | emagana: Agreed. Thank you sweston for taking ownership of that one! | 21:21 |
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| sweston | Yes, that one is mine. It is documented well in the code, I'm not sure what else I can add to it. | 21:21 |
| emagana | sweston: We need to move the documentation from the code to the Docs | 21:22 |
| amotoki_ | sweston: even if it is same as the description in the code, it is worth documented. | 21:22 |
| emagana | sweston: we can work offline on this | 21:22 |
| mestery | emagana: Regarding that one, someone has already hit an issue with OVS -> ML2 migration: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2014-April/006767.html | 21:22 |
| sweston | emagana: gotcha, yes let's do that. | 21:22 |
| emagana | sweston: great! | 21:22 |
| emagana | mestery: nothing else commander | 21:22 |
| mestery | emagana: I just saw that on list, not sure if it's due to lack of documentation etc. | 21:22 |
| mestery | emagana: OK, thanks! | 21:22 |
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| mestery | #topic Juno Design Summit | 21:23 |
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| mestery | Thank you to all who submitted session proposals for Atlanta! | 21:23 |
| enikanorov_ | what is oversubscription rate? :) | 21:23 |
| mestery | We are oversubscribed about 2.5:1 at this point. | 21:23 |
| sc68cal | sorry just missed mention of 1293897 | 21:23 |
| mestery | So, not everyone will get time. | 21:23 |
| mestery | I wanted to make sure that people know that even if your proposal doesn't get floor time in Atlanta, that doesn't mean it can't get into Juno. | 21:24 |
| sc68cal | I can assign myself it for the juno release | 21:24 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal! | 21:24 |
| mestery | I'm working with the core team to come up with a schedule now, and it's looking pretty good. | 21:24 |
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| mestery | Neutron sessions will be all-day Wed, Thur morning until lunch, and Fri 10:30-5:30. | 21:24 |
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| mestery | I may be reaching out to people to collapse some sessions together, I've done this for a few things already. | 21:25 |
| mestery | So please bear with me on that as I finish settling the schedule this week. | 21:25 |
| mestery | Any questions on the Juno Design Summit? | 21:25 |
| pcm_ | Would be good to know Fri schedule, in case need to adj flight times for leaving. | 21:26 |
| mestery | pcm_: Yes. We will have sessions until 4:30, I'm planning the last session as a wrapup session similar to Hong Kong. | 21:26 |
| mestery | We can use that one for additional discussions if needed, or end a bit early if people are burned out by that time. :) | 21:26 |
| pcm_ | mestery: ok cool, then my 7pm flight will be ok. | 21:26 |
| mestery | pcm_: I think that will be perfect, yes. :) | 21:27 |
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| amotoki_ | AFAIK, Tuesday is for cross-project design summit sessions. | 21:27 |
| mestery | amotoki_: Yes! The schedule for that was released already. There are a lot of good sessions in there! | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | amotoki_: correct the TC has scheduled it | 21:27 |
| mestery | I hope many Neutron developers can attend a mix of those sessions so we are represented well in the cross-project sessions. | 21:28 |
| mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:28 |
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| mestery | Nova Parity is our most critical item for Juno from a project perspective. | 21:29 |
| mestery | markmcclain has volunteered to lead this effort, as it branches across many things, including across projects. | 21:29 |
| mestery | There will be plenty of work here in Juno, so anyone who wants to participate this is encouraged to help out! | 21:30 |
| mestery | We will also have a handful of Summit sessions in this area as well. | 21:30 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Anything to add here at this point? | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | Not too much other than I think we'll setting up a regular subteam meeting just to keep everyone in the loop on this work | 21:31 |
| mestery | +1 to that markmcclain! | 21:31 |
| mestery | Any questions on Nova Parity? | 21:32 |
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| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:32 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: hi! | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | we are on the home strecth to finsih the api tests for icehouse | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | we have merged 19 tests out of 28 that we are tracking | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | this past week there were no new merges | 21:33 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Awesome! | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | that's kind of logical, since we are working on the last ones | 21:33 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: It looks like there are a handful of patches which are close to merge though. | 21:34 |
| mestery | With one core tempest +2 | 21:34 |
| enikanorov_ | mlavalle: i wonder if there is any guidelines for scenario tests | 21:34 |
| mlavalle | yes and I pijted them out to the tempest cores this part Thurdsady | 21:34 |
| mlavalle | and I will do it again this week | 21:34 |
| mestery | Thanks mlavalle! | 21:34 |
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| marun | enikanorov_: it should be something that can't be tested in a functional test | 21:34 |
| mlavalle | every Thursday I bring up to their attention the ones that only require one more +2 | 21:34 |
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| enikanorov_ | mlavalle: i see two general issues with them - consume much time with each scenarios being added and 2) - depend on many sw components | 21:35 |
| mlavalle | I also proposed a session for the design summit | 21:35 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Yes, I saw that, it's an important session topic I've actually preapproved that one already. :) | 21:35 |
| mlavalle | hoping to get it apporved. The tempest cores are aware and I think that if it gets approved it should be a joint session | 21:36 |
| enikanorov_ | mlavalle: are you aware of scenario testing for adv services other than lbaas? | 21:36 |
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| mlavalle | enikanorov: I am planning to pay more attention to scenario in Juno | 21:36 |
| mestery | Thanks for the update mlavalle! | 21:37 |
| mlavalle | in fact, I am planning to send a message this week to the ML asking for suggestions of scenario tests that should be implemented | 21:37 |
| mlavalle | and we will start tracking them like we are tracking api tests | 21:38 |
| * sc68cal needs to get people on v6 side | 21:38 | |
| mlavalle | I'm done | 21:38 |
| enikanorov_ | mlavalle: just thinking if scenarios should be a separate job... | 21:38 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: Good…Look forward to discussion on ML | 21:38 |
| mestery | Yes, thanks for continuning to drive this important area mlavalle! | 21:38 |
| mlavalle | enikanorov: let's talk after the meeting | 21:38 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:38 |
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| mestery | I know carl_baldwin may not make it today, but I saw Swami here. | 21:39 |
| mestery | Swami: Did you want to update a bit on DVR in this slot? | 21:39 |
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| mestery | In lieu of the L3 team providing an update here, carl_baldwin has updated the agenda with the L3 sub-team update. | 21:40 |
| mestery | I see more DVR patches being pushed, which is great! | 21:40 |
| * mlavalle has to run to another meeting. see you all in the irc channel | 21:40 | |
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| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:40 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Hi | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | Hellloooooooooo | 21:40 |
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| sc68cal | So - big first thing is getting all our BP's into neutron-specs | 21:40 |
| Swami | Sorry we have pushed the L3 agent today for the DVR | 21:41 |
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| mestery | Thanks Swami, saw that, nice! | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | seeing a couple new ones that baoli added to the meeting agenda, will instruct tomorrow to move to neutron-specs | 21:41 |
| mestery | sc68cal: You have been one of the neutron-specs pioneers, thanks! | 21:41 |
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| sc68cal | Gotta keep my stackalytics stats up | 21:41 |
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| sc68cal | Seeing some bugs in nwdiag - but sort of proud of the diagram for the provider-nets-slaac | 21:42 |
| amotoki_ | sc68cal: it would be helpful if we have links to reivews (both spec and patches) | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | it's pretty nice overall | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88043/ | 21:42 |
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| sc68cal | amotoki_: where do you want the links? | 21:42 |
| amotoki_ | sc68cal: the meeting wiki page is a good place to share. | 21:43 |
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| sc68cal | oh in this meeting's agenda? ah gotcha | 21:43 |
| amotoki_ | sc68cal: yes, everyone see this page every week :-) | 21:43 |
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| mestery | :) | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | Alright. well then I yield my time since I am not prepared | 21:43 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal. :) | 21:44 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:44 |
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| mestery | I wanted to highlight one thing here: Code Reviews | 21:44 |
| mestery | We have a pretty large queue at the moment. | 21:44 |
| mestery | So I encourage core and non-cores to help weed through that with reviews in the coming week. | 21:44 |
| mestery | Also, marios brought up the idea of a weekly Neutron review meeting. | 21:44 |
| mestery | Does anyone have thoughts on that one way or another? | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | I like it- the turnaround time on reviews has always been frustrating | 21:45 |
| marios | seems like there are folk for this, but if core devs aren't behind it/available then it's a non starter really | 21:45 |
| pcm_ | +1 | 21:45 |
| mestery | marios: I'm all for this actually, I think it makes sense. | 21:45 |
| marun | I think we need more than that | 21:45 |
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| * pcm_ +1 on the idea | 21:45 | |
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| rkukura | +1 | 21:45 |
| mestery | marun: Please explain. :) | 21:45 |
| marun | simply adding more resources to reviews isn't enough - we need to actually target our efforts | 21:46 |
| Swami | +1 | 21:46 |
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| marun | but by all means, pursue the same strategy more intensely | 21:46 |
| mestery | marun: Do you mean specific areas of code? | 21:46 |
| marun | I'll have words to say about that at summit | 21:46 |
| marun | No, I mean attaching people to reviews for the entire cycle, making sure we're targeting things based on priority, and making sure turnaround by both submitters and reviewers is a priority | 21:47 |
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| marun | entire cycle -> life of the change | 21:47 |
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| mestery | marun: I like that idea a lot. | 21:47 |
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| * pcm_ thinks having an IRC will help disseminate knowledge about reviewing to non-cores | 21:48 | |
| banix | marun: that makes a lot of sense | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | would be nice to have a sherpa for a blueprint | 21:48 |
| mestery | marun: Is this something we should be pursuing prior to the summit with a discussion on the ML? Or do you already have a proposal here? | 21:48 |
| marios | marun: that makes sense. one of the issues i've had is differing advice/opinions of cores but which are expressed very widely apart timewise | 21:48 |
| marios | marun: could having a review hour be the vehicle with which reviews are assigned to cores | 21:48 |
| marios | (e.g. when they can't trivially be reviewed/closed/-1 there and then) | 21:49 |
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| mestery | I think if we go down this path, we need to assign reviews to cores at BP creation time, rather than gerrit push time. | 21:49 |
| marun | so, we have work to do in any case | 21:49 |
| marun | and it will have to evolve | 21:49 |
| marun | I do think more attention to reviews is good, so I'm not saying that a weekly meeting is bad | 21:49 |
| mestery | I look forward to your lively discussion in Atlanta marun. :) | 21:50 |
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| marun | /soapbox :) | 21:50 |
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| enikanorov_ | i have a question on a new feature that was added recently | 21:50 |
| marios | not all of us will be in atlanta though. is there something you could add to the existin mailing list discussion (or if i have misunderstood and it is in fact a different issue?) | 21:50 |
| enikanorov_ | nova notification | 21:50 |
| marios | marun: ^^ | 21:50 |
| enikanorov_ | right now it is implemented by calling nova via nova client | 21:51 |
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| marun | marios: I'll aim to raise the issue on the mailing list pre-summit, and there will be an etherpad as part of the summit discussion that remote participants can edit | 21:51 |
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| enikanorov_ | is there any plans to do it via rpc or implement bulk notifications? | 21:51 |
| amotoki_ | enikanorov_: are you talking in #-neutron channel? | 21:51 |
| marios | marun: thanks will look out for it | 21:51 |
| enikanorov_ | amotoki_: i'm multithreaded :Р | 21:52 |
| amotoki_ | :-) | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: there is not a plan to change neutron to Nova communication to use RPC | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | arosen1 would probably know more about bulk callbacks | 21:52 |
| marun | enikanorov_: I'm pretty sure the decision to not use rpc was entirely deliberate | 21:52 |
| arosen1 | it was. | 21:53 |
| enikanorov_ | performance concerns come into mind then | 21:53 |
| marun | enikanorov_: the nova team is very happy with throughput of their wsgi api | 21:53 |
| enikanorov_ | ha | 21:53 |
| arosen1 | dansmith: would be the one to talk to about why we used the rest interface rather than rpc. | 21:53 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, i'l tell that to our performance testers! | 21:53 |
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| marun | enikanorov_: It would depend on the configuration of course, but it sounds like there is a disconnect between the configuration that nova folks like dansmith are expecting and what your testers are using. | 21:54 |
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| enikanorov_ | marun: our testers are concerned about the case of lots of VMs spawned in short period of time | 21:55 |
| marun | enikanorov_: there are _always_ going to be hard scalability limits | 21:55 |
| dansmith | enikanorov_: nova supports bulk notifications via this interface | 21:55 |
| enikanorov_ | that's not something proven by numbers yet | 21:56 |
| dansmith | enikanorov_: if neutron isn't sending them, then that's an "easy" place for improvement | 21:56 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, good to know | 21:56 |
| enikanorov_ | thanks! | 21:56 |
| mestery | OK, we're coming to the top of the hour here. | 21:57 |
| arosen1 | enikanorov_: fwiw i was doing some performance testing last week and i was able to boot 100 instances with 5 nics each with nova boot <snip> --num-instances without any errors. | 21:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | arosen1: good to know. i'd like to discuss this feature more with you | 21:58 |
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| mestery | OK, lets continue this and other discussions on the ML. | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thanks for attending the Neutron meeting this week folks! | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 21:59:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-21-21.02.html | 21:59 |
| enikanorov_ | bye | 21:59 |
| emagana | ciao ciao pescau! | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-21-21.02.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-21-21.02.log.html | 21:59 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 21:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 21:59 |
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| marios | 'night | 21:59 |
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