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| rakhmerov | hi there | 15:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 14 15:59:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 15:59 |
| enykeev | hey! | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait for a couple of mins and start | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | in the meantime I'll type in all the standard stuff | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly review AIs | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
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| rakhmerov | 1. (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | afaik, timur is still involved into other projects | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #action (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate | 16:03 |
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| dzimine | hi guys, sorry my inet is up and down... | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri, ok, no problem | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | regarding this action item, we found other resources in Mirantis to set up devstack gate job | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | he's supposed to start working on it this week or on the next one | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | #action (rakhmerov) Check the status of devstack gate job | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 3. (nmakhotkin) take a look at dzimine's and m4dcoder's workflows | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, I know you were busy with a different work but did you have a chance to look at it? | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I didn't :) I'll definitely start doing it tomorrow since I finished my current work | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | I'll look at it asap, tomorrow, I think | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | 4. Finish current Demo scenario (make it work) and evaluate workflow examples from Winson's team to find better ideas for Demo | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | regarding this one, the first part is done (we'll talk about it later), nmakhotking made our Demo scenario work | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | once my 10 commits get merged we'll fix all the samples in mistral-extra to make DSL more consistent but basically it works | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | any questions on Action Items? | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | if no, we'll move forward to the current status | 16:10 |
| dzimine | just to clarify: | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
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| dzimine | do you want to prep demo scenario changes based on Action commits? | 16:11 |
| dzimine | This can be started now, right? | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I would love to have these change in | 16:11 |
| dzimine | who is doing demo scenarios adjustments to Action changes? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | what do mean by "started now"? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I am going to do it myself tomorrow, it'll take 30 mins | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay doesn't work on Tuesdays | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | can we move forward? | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:14 | |
| rakhmerov | I basically finished BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-actions-design except plugin architecture | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | and I have a couple of cosmetic changes to make tomorrow | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | so my plan is to make adjustements in Demo Scenario (Nikolay, make sure to share it today) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so please report your status quickly | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay? | 16:16 |
| enykeev | I've spent most of the week preparing test suite for Lazy Engine. Also published a summary on integration. | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | enykeev, ok, great work | 16:16 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm still working on the engine standalone process. | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, do you have any roadblocks? Need help? | 16:17 |
| NikolayM | I've already sent the commit on review with demo related changes | 16:17 |
| m4dcoder | no tough roadblocks just some design choices. i'll send out a WIP for review soon. | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, ok | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | m4dcoder: may be bring up the design choices to discuss prior to reveiw, if you need any input (or reduce argument over code already written :) ) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, ok, please feel free to ask any questions and/or setup dedicated meetings if you think it would be helpful for you | 16:19 |
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| m4dcoder | will do | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | basically, IMO there's no rush with this task, we can discuss it in a comfortable mode | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | if you'd like we can do it now or take it offline, whatever you prefer | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, as far as Manas, we saw his commit. It's fine but we just had one small remark | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | perfectly easy to fix | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | would appreciate if he could fix it today/tomorrow | 16:22 |
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| dzimine | ok, hope he'll be done with this today | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, perfect | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | #topic POC Demo Scenario readiness | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "POC Demo Scenario readiness (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:23 | |
| rakhmerov | we already touched it a little bit | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | we planned to look at workflow scenarios provided by Dmitri but honestly I was unable to do it deeply by now | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | since I finished my current work I can do it tomorrow, nothing should prevent me from doing it | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | so the current scenario works, I just want to make sure to look at other options and see if we can come up with something better | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | on Thursday we are going to have an internal demo in Mirantis so we'll get a feedback from Mirantis management | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | do you guys see what else we could discuss on that? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | any concerns, questions? | 16:26 |
| igormarnat_ | I have a suggestion | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | the scenario itself is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86597/ | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | yes, Igor | 16:26 |
| igormarnat_ | I'd like to have a list of things which we need to have in order to think we are ready with POC | 16:27 |
| igormarnat_ | I mean, list of documents, examples, Bps, ... with links | 16:27 |
| igormarnat_ | Do we have any? | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | it's mostly in our heads unfortunately | 16:27 |
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| igormarnat_ | It's fine | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | I can do formalize it | 16:28 |
| igormarnat_ | It's easy to type it in then, isn't it? :) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:28 |
| igormarnat_ | Having such a list would make it easy to present the results, say, to Heat team, or Fuel team, or any other team | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | how about preparing this list offline (just to save time now) and sending it out in ML? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I agree | 16:29 |
| igormarnat_ | +1 for offline preparation and ML | 16:29 |
| gokrokve | Hi. By the way I submitted a proposal for Atlanta summit session slot. http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/124 | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #action (rakhmerov) Prepare a list of formal criterias of POC readiness (list of documents, examples, Bps, ... with links) | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | It is for Mistral POC. | 16:30 |
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| gokrokve | It is in the prapproved state. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | hi gogrokve | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | So you will have a time slot on the summit to present Mistral and show a emo | 16:31 |
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| gokrokve | demo | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yes, very good | 16:31 |
| dzimine | fantastic, thanks gokrokv | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | how much time will we have for the presentation? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | 40 mins like unconference track? | 16:31 |
| gokrokve | I don't know yet. Somethin from 15 to 40 minutes I think. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | we discussed it with Dmitri already and it would be cool to know. Depending on that we should have a different presentation plan IMO | 16:32 |
| gokrokve | Renat, you can actually add commet to this proposed session. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | but ok, we'll figure it out | 16:32 |
| gokrokve | Renat, you can actually add a comment to this proposed session. | 16:33 |
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| gokrokve | or you can ask Thierry | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | the last specific topic we hae is TaskFlow integration status | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | #topic TaskFlow integration status | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TaskFlow integration status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:34 | |
| rakhmerov | Kirill, could you please provide an update on that? | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | I assume there's almost nothing new but anyway.. | 16:35 |
| enykeev | Nothing actually changed since the last week. We still waiting for TaskFlow team to prepare their proposition. | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I guess the only thing we got from them is an email where Joshua said "Ivan is still working on it.." | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | something like that | 16:36 |
| dzimine | The ball is on TaskFlow team side, | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yep :) | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | their move now | 16:36 |
| dzimine | we should ask them 'when' | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | it was supposed to be done last Thursday | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | but agree that we should keep tracking it | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I'll be pinging them every couple of days | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | any question on this part? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | if no we can move to an open discussion | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | #action (rakhmerov) Keep pinging TaskFlow team regarding Ivan's ideas | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | just want to bug you again, guys. Sorry if it's a little bit annoying | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | I encourage you to review the commits for BP mistral-actions-design | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | since we really need them asap | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I would even ask Manas to make his commit dependent on the last commit for this BP to make things simpler when we merge all these things | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87231/ | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | otherwise the process of rebasing my ten commits will be really painful :) | 16:42 |
| dzimine | I'll do the reveiws - you said not much chnaged, right? | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | minor changes | 16:43 |
| dzimine | ok, do ask Manas, I seee (pls email him directly) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | some of the questions raised in the first 6 commits have been addresed in the last 4 commits | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, ok | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | other than that I don't really have anything specific for now to discuss | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | if you do then fire away | 16:44 |
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| enykeev | dzimine, you can actually pick the last one commit you have reviewed in Old Version History dropdown and it'll only show you the difference between them. | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, so let's finish the meeting then? | 16:48 |
| dzimine | yes. | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone! | 16:49 |
| enykeev | thanks | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | let's meet on Apr 21st | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | bye guys | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| m4dcoder_ | bye. thanks! | 16:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 14 16:49:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-14-15.59.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-14-15.59.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-14-15.59.log.html | 16:49 |
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| matty_dubs | Hello, Ironic. | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | ironic meeting | 19:00 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 14 19:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| agordeev2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| ifarkas | hello o/ | 19:01 |
| vkozhukalov | here | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| mrda | o/ | 19:01 |
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| linggao | o/ | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:01 |
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| gmatefi | o/ | 19:01 |
| rloo | hi | 19:01 |
| Shrews | hey hey | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda can be found at | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
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| devananda | glad to see so many folks here! | 19:01 |
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| adam_g | \o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | #topic what's needed to deprecate nova-bm | 19:02 |
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| * NobodyCam note I could drop at any time :-p | 19:02 | |
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| devananda | several things. and I'd like us to talk about it at the summit... | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | docs, migration script, console, jobs in the gate | 19:02 |
| devananda | testing | 19:02 |
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| devananda | really - it's testing | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | Automated? | 19:03 |
| romcheg | the most dificult | 19:03 |
| devananda | and then for the nova team to accept the nova.virt.ironic driver into their tree | 19:03 |
| devananda | which they wont do without automated testing | 19:03 |
| * dtantsur would like see those major test refactorings to land before merge with nova... | 19:03 | |
| devananda | we have all the req's of an incubated project (docs, tests, integration with other projects, etc) | 19:03 |
| linggao | after nova-bm is deprecated, will the classes for nova_bm still in the nova package? | 19:03 |
| devananda | which are outlined here | 19:03 |
| devananda | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements#n62 | 19:03 |
| devananda | AND we have the requirement to deprecate nova-bm | 19:04 |
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| devananda | which is both a technical and a human dependency | 19:04 |
| devananda | since the nova team has to approve those change(s) BEFORE we can graduate | 19:04 |
| devananda | regardless of how ready we are in every other way | 19:04 |
| linggao | The reason I am asking is that we have a xCAT baremtal driver that uses the nova_bm classes. And also uses nova_bm database tables. | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, the design session you proposed to nova to talk about it, any feedback from the nova ptl/responsible for approving it?? | 19:04 |
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| lucasagomes | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 | 19:05 |
| devananda | linggao: AFAIK, yes. Nova's plan is that, when they land nova.virt.ironic driver, they will mark nova.virt.baremetal deprecated for one cycle, then remove it | 19:05 |
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| mrda | does this mean we don't leave incubation for at least one cycle after nova-bm is marked deprecated? | 19:06 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: none yet. I imagine mikal has been busy since his election, and there is still a week for session proposals | 19:06 |
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| linggao | devananda, hmm, that's destructive for other home gown baremetal drivers. | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, I think we do, both will exist in the nova tree, but any new feature should go to ironic | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, instead of nova bm | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, I c | 19:06 |
| devananda | mrda: afaik, that's the backwards order. (ironic graduates) && (nova-bm is marked deprecated) should, AFAIK, happen at the same time | 19:06 |
| devananda | mrda: then a cycle later, nova-bm is actually removed | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | linggao: I believe once nova-bm is marked deprecated it will live in tree for a cycle | 19:07 |
| devananda | but I defer to mikal or russellb if either one are around and want to comment | 19:07 |
| rloo | so if nova-bm is marked deprecated in juno, it will still live in k*, and be removed in L* | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | that is my understanding (correct or not) | 19:08 |
| linggao | NobodayCam, is one cycle 6 month? | 19:08 |
| mrda | ok, cool, would be good to get ironic graduating without having to wait for nova-bm to be removed (i.e wait 6 months for nova-bm deprecation) | 19:08 |
| devananda | linggao: yes | 19:08 |
| mrda | mikal won't be online right now, it's a bit early in AUS | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: yep | 19:09 |
| devananda | one point to call out that we haven't discussed much | 19:09 |
| devananda | is integration with other projects | 19:09 |
| devananda | eg, horizon and ceilometer | 19:09 |
| devananda | as the current guidelines stand, we will need both to graduate | 19:09 |
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| devananda | haomeng was working on the ceilometer integration | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | I think for horizon there's no directly work for us to do, since they will just use our api to register the nodes | 19:10 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72538/ | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | on the other hand ceilometer, needs ironic to collect the metrics for them | 19:10 |
| rloo | is there anything in tuskar that addresses ironic/horizon? | 19:10 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, as I remember discussion in mail list, someone wanted to do some UI | 19:10 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: well, someone has to create a horizon plugin to talk to ironic | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | right | 19:11 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-ui | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | but it's outisde ironic | 19:11 |
| dtantsur | rloo, afaik not yet, tuskar uses nova-bm | 19:11 |
| devananda | jcoufal and i jotted down some notes there ^ | 19:11 |
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| lucasagomes | where ceilometer needs code in ironic to get it working | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: is it out ironic if we need it to graduate | 19:11 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right. but we need code to land in both projects prior to our graduation, too | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | s/out/outside/ | 19:12 |
| devananda | so we have 5 project dependencies at this point | 19:12 |
| devananda | testing: devstack + tempest | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:12 |
| devananda | monitoring: ceilometer | 19:12 |
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| devananda | UI: horizon/tuskar | 19:12 |
| devananda | generally just doing what we do: Nova | 19:12 |
| linggao | and console? | 19:12 |
| ifarkas | devananda, for testing we also have a dependency to tripleo, right? | 19:13 |
| romcheg | linggao: console is implemented in Ironic | 19:13 |
| devananda | ifarkas: not as far as a graduation requirement, since tripleo is not part of the integrated release | 19:13 |
| devananda | ifarkas: but of course we want that to work :) | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | and are working on it :-p | 19:13 |
| devananda | linggao: console is an internal requirement for feature parity, not an integration requirement with other projects, AFAIK | 19:13 |
| devananda | linggao: but yes, we do need it :) | 19:13 |
| romcheg | s/is implemended/is been implemented/ | 19:14 |
| linggao | devananda, I am working on it. | 19:14 |
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| iron1_ | can have horizonto start the console | 19:15 |
| devananda | i'll give folks a few minutes to digest / ask more questions about graduation path | 19:15 |
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| devananda | before we move on | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | right, the ceilometer stuff, is not needed for graduation right? | 19:15 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: afaik, it is | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you devananda for the info | 19:15 |
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| matty_dubs | Is this / should this be listed somewhere? | 19:16 |
| matty_dubs | So we can all track it? | 19:16 |
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| rloo | +1 matty_dubs | 19:16 |
| * matty_dubs happy to set up an Etherpad if not | 19:16 | |
| lucasagomes | heh +1 yeah it would be useful to have an etherpad for tracking such things | 19:16 |
| romcheg | matty_dubs: There is a document in our wiki https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | +1 (wishes it wasn't another ehterpad, but is good with that option too) | 19:17 |
| rloo | devananda: can ironic graduate *any time* after it has satisfied the requirements, or only at the end of a cycle? | 19:17 |
| devananda | that document was based on an old version of the governance doc | 19:17 |
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| romcheg | devananda: so we need to update it | 19:17 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: if you want to refresh that etherpad based on current status and http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements#n62 | 19:17 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: that would be great | 19:18 |
| matty_dubs | devananda: Sure thing; will do | 19:18 |
| linggao | iron1_, does horizon start the console? | 19:18 |
| devananda | rloo: graduation is officially done by a TC vote near the end of the cycle, just before the PTL elections | 19:18 |
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| linggao | iron1_, or it just shows the console log? | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion | 19:18 |
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| mrda | NobodyCam: Perhaps a meta-etherpad is needed so we can track all the etherpads :) | 19:19 |
| rloo | devananda: ok, is there a way to get feedback prior to that, as to whether/what might be missing. Or does the TC meet and say yay/nay and no chance to fix whatever? | 19:19 |
| devananda | mrda: we have that :) | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, heh we do have it | 19:19 |
| devananda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:19 |
| devananda | lines 12 - 28 | 19:19 |
| mrda | ok, cool, thnx! | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | mrda: use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | for that | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:19 |
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| devananda | fwiw, I keep that "whiteboard" linked in the IRC room topic ;) | 19:20 |
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| mrda | +1 | 19:20 |
| devananda | sort of a launching point for all the other resources | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:20 |
| iron1_ | <linggao> Horizon starts Nova vnc so we can consider starting bm console from horizon | 19:20 |
| devananda | ok, one more minute for graduation questions, then i'll move on | 19:21 |
| linggao | thanks iron1_ for the info. | 19:21 |
| devananda | oh - tilera. From the TC's perspective, I think we have a good case for not needing that. | 19:21 |
| linggao | so devananda, not sure it is related. do we need to put console support in the ironic bm driver? | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | ? oh really | 19:22 |
| devananda | from ironic's POV, it's a third party driver. we have no ability to test it upstream, and without the original contributor's support, can't port it. | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh | 19:22 |
| devananda | i have reached out to NTT a while back, and they indicated that they didn't have the time / resources to port it | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | so we will need ntt to prot that? and provide testing HW | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | s/prot/port/ | 19:23 |
| devananda | right. if they do that, great, but it's not a graduation blocker | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | :) nice :) | 19:23 |
| devananda | linggao: nova will need to be able to start/stop the console and get console log, yes | 19:23 |
| devananda | ok -- moving on | 19:23 |
| devananda | #topic icehouse release | 19:23 |
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| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/icehouse/icehouse-rc2 | 19:23 |
| devananda | icehouse RC2 milestone was tagged this morning | 19:24 |
| devananda | we have a few more days before the icehouse release is official | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 19:24 |
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| devananda | i'm not aware of any more backport-potential bugs, so hopefully this will be our final version | 19:24 |
| devananda | one thing this means is we should (and in my opinion, we need) to maintain API compatibility | 19:25 |
| devananda | from this point on | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:25 |
| devananda | even though it's not an "integrated release" -- it's still a release. this version will be in downstream repos. | 19:26 |
| linggao | then I have a issue about console API. | 19:26 |
| devananda | and we need to be clear that, as a developer community, we support it | 19:26 |
| romcheg | +1. So we need some policies about upgrading API versions | 19:26 |
| yuriyz | +1 | 19:26 |
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| devananda | linggao: what's up? | 19:26 |
| linggao | the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1307555 | 19:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1307555 in ironic "get console API should not return a string" [Undecided,New] | 19:26 |
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| linggao | The console get API v1/nodes/<uuid>/states/console. | 19:27 |
| linggao | I think it should be v1/nodes/<uuid>/console | 19:27 |
| linggao | and return {console: {"url": "blahblah", "type": "blah"}} | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | Can we mark some API's (console ones) as unstable like python-dev do it for some new API's? | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: could that be v2/nodes/<uuid>/console | 19:28 |
| linggao | the "states" there does not make sense. | 19:28 |
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| devananda | linggao: since none of the drivers in the Icehouse release will support console, I think it's fair to mark that API as unsupported/experimental right now | 19:28 |
| rloo | it isn't too late to change it for icehouse? | 19:28 |
| devananda | rloo: it is | 19:28 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse | 19:29 |
| linggao | the set console state is v1/nodes/uuid/states/console. this one sets the console enablement state. | 19:29 |
| devananda | so I have begun jotting some release notes there | 19:29 |
| devananda | and will continue to fill it in as I go through the logs and the release process | 19:29 |
| rloo | so we can just put this console api down as a known issue? | 19:29 |
| devananda | our (lack of) console support clearly bears mention there | 19:29 |
| devananda | rloo: I think that's fine | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | +! | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | +1 | 19:30 |
| linggao | +1 | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | +1 makes sense to me | 19:31 |
| romcheg | +! | 19:31 |
| romcheg | =1 | 19:31 |
| romcheg | +1 | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:31 |
| romcheg | sorry :) | 19:32 |
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| devananda | any other questions on the icehouse release? | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | not here | 19:33 |
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| devananda | ok, moving on then | 19:34 |
| devananda | #topic integration testing | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration testing (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:34 | |
| romcheg | should I mention benchmarking here? | 19:34 |
| devananda | adam_g: hi! how's it going? | 19:34 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: any updates on triple testing? | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | TripleO update: I am still unable to get correct logging from the gate jobs | 19:35 |
| adam_g | our scenario test in tempest is now running as part of the virutal-ironic devstack job | 19:35 |
| devananda | romcheg: hmm, only if the benchmark tests are running and reporting upstream :) | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | I can get it locally | 19:35 |
| romcheg | devananda: No, they are not :) Will mention that in open discussion | 19:35 |
| adam_g | the scenario test in the virtual-ironic devstack job is currently *not* passing. i've been trying to reproduce outside of the gate and debug, but its proving challenging. any help would be appreciated! | 19:35 |
| romcheg | adam_g: I was dealing with those things | 19:36 |
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| romcheg | adam_g: please poke me tomorrow and we can take a look together | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | adam_g, I'd have a look from Fedora point of view, but I can have even more problems :) | 19:36 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: the tripleo-ironic-seed job is still passing -- and should be trusted, yes? | 19:36 |
| adam_g | romcheg, maybe we can chat after the meeting. i've narrowed the problem down to TFTP during boot, but still stumpted | 19:36 |
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| adam_g | dtantsur, is fedora still having issues with ssh? | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | seed yes ... undercloud no | 19:37 |
| romcheg | adam_g: let's chat after the meting | 19:37 |
| devananda | adam_g: you might try adding the tftp log files to infra, so that they're visible to you after the job | 19:37 |
| dtantsur | adam_g, nothing new, without two controversial patches it does not work | 19:37 |
| adam_g | devananda, that all goes to syslog, so it should be | 19:37 |
| devananda | adam_g: ah, ok. | 19:37 |
| dtantsur | adam_g, for me sources of problems with TFTP: SELinux, firewall, IPv6 | 19:37 |
| adam_g | dtantsur, you might be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87355/ | 19:37 |
| adam_g | ^ follow up from an action last week, removes ssh reconfiguration from the devstack deploy | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | adam_g I +many on this | 19:38 |
| adam_g | anyway, there are still some blocking issues in tempest that i have patches to address that are causing unrelated tests to fail against ironic. ive been tracking on the etherpad @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 19:39 |
| devananda | adam_g: nice, thanks! | 19:39 |
| adam_g | hopefully we can get these loose ends tied up before the summit | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | adam_g, have you checked you don't have troubles with IPv6? It seems to be relatively undiscovered | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 19:39 |
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| ifarkas | I also found the IPv6 issue with Fedora on devtest. | 19:40 |
| adam_g | dtantsur, it shouldn't be an issue AFAICS.. we can chat after meeting and see what we can debug info suck out of the devstack gate with an experimental patch review | 19:40 |
| ifarkas | dtantsur, adam_g, you might be interested in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87208/ | 19:40 |
| dtantsur | adam_g, (at least on Fedora) if you have IPv6 enabled, TFTP only listens on IPv6 endpoint | 19:41 |
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| adam_g | interesting | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | thus breaking attempts to reach it on IPv4 endpoint | 19:41 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: it looks like tripleo-undercloud is breaking even without ironic? | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | atm yes | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | that started late friday I believe | 19:42 |
| devananda | ah, k | 19:42 |
| devananda | adam_g, NobodyCam, all -- thanks for the updates & continued progress on testing! | 19:43 |
| devananda | I dont have any other questions about it | 19:43 |
| devananda | but if there are ways I can unblock any of your efforts, pls dont hesitate to poke me | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | any one have questions on OoO testing I can answer | 19:44 |
| devananda | dtantsur: any brief updates on fedora status? | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | devananda, out-of-box devstack is blocked by SSH and IPv6 issues | 19:44 |
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| dtantsur | also checking RPMs that are will be in Fedora, they need more love as of today | 19:45 |
| ifarkas | devananda, as for Fedora, I also tried it with devtest and I managed to get it working there | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | would like to see the test scenario to try it | 19:45 |
| devananda | ifarkas: awesome. are we going to get a check-tripleo-ironic-seed-fedora job? :) | 19:45 |
| ifarkas | devananda, beside the previous ipv6 issue I found another one with requiretty: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87253/ | 19:45 |
| * lucasagomes would love to see a job for fedora | 19:46 | |
| dtantsur | the best way to work on Fedora for now: disable SELinux, firewall, IPv6 :) | 19:46 |
| ifarkas | devananda, that would be great! ;-) | 19:46 |
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| NobodyCam | +1 for fedora testa | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | tests even | 19:46 |
| devananda | dtantsur: hah. sounds just like the early '00s! :) | 19:46 |
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| dtantsur | ifarkas, again requiretty... | 19:46 |
| devananda | ok - since there's again a long list of open discussion topics | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | devananda, if we have port reset to 22, we may have it out-of-box | 19:46 |
| devananda | i'm going to move on | 19:47 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: i'm going look at the jenkins log for that and/or run it locally, then will vote on that patch today | 19:47 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:47 | |
| romcheg | I have an update about benchmarks for Ironic | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: are we faster then nova bm? | 19:48 |
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| romcheg | NobodyCam: U need more patience :-P | 19:48 |
| devananda | floor's open, don't wait for me to say "go" before you jump in, folks :) | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:48 |
| jroll | devananda: I want to see if there is anyway I can help to get our agent-related patches to land. I believe most of them are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/agent-driver,n,z | 19:48 |
| romcheg | I have started implementing all required plumbings | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | ok quick q... are we going to have a meeting next monday? (it's holiday here at least) | 19:48 |
| jroll | one more related patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81919/ | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | oh easter | 19:49 |
| romcheg | I except to implement a first benchmark tomorrow and show some results | 19:49 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: yes - 4/20 is the deadline for summit talk submissions | 19:49 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: so I am planning on reviewing them on 4/21 in the weekly meeting | 19:49 |
| devananda | romcheg: awesome. is this just API/RPC benchmarks with the 'fake' driver? | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ack :) | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 19:49 |
| romcheg | devananda: yes | 19:50 |
| romcheg | There are more cases we need to benchmrk | 19:50 |
| devananda | romcheg: awesome. so. Nova has something similar in their test suite | 19:50 |
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| devananda | romcheg: we need to also have a realistically-large data set in the DB | 19:50 |
| romcheg | Some of them are not very easy to do | 19:50 |
| devananda | with fake data | 19:50 |
| devananda | jroll: hi! so, a few things would help me | 19:50 |
| devananda | jroll: more time in the day, for one ;) | 19:50 |
| romcheg | I have registered a session about that http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/275 | 19:51 |
| devananda | jroll: but seriously, I need to make some time to test deploys with the agent | 19:51 |
| * jroll gives devananda one of his hours | 19:51 | |
| jroll | devananda: that's what we've been doing | 19:51 |
| jroll | is trying to test deploys | 19:51 |
| devananda | jroll: in an ideal situation, I would say, we should just add a CI pipeline that switches to that driver and runs tempest on it | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | lol /me has lost two of his hours so far | 19:52 |
| jroll | and there's a few integration breaks we're finding, and putting up patches for those as we go | 19:52 |
| jroll | I agree, I'm working on throwing dwalleck under that bus | 19:52 |
| jroll | who seems to be not here | 19:52 |
| jroll | devananda: my main problem is that it's very hard to test this, when we're constantly rebasing patches | 19:52 |
| devananda | jroll: at a minimum (eg, without upstream testing working yet) we should at least be able to stand up a devstack env with the agent+ssh drier | 19:53 |
| devananda | jroll: and run tempest on it | 19:53 |
| JayF | Is there a reason the driver shouldn't be merged even if it's imperfect though? It seems like it's better to be in tree than for us to be in tree making things better than having us get more and more code behind the dam unmerged? | 19:53 |
| devananda | jroll: right. out of tree development sucks. seriously. I've had to do a lot of it, too. | 19:53 |
| jroll | devananda: indeed :) | 19:53 |
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| devananda | no -- it absolutely should be merged while it is imperfect. | 19:53 |
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| jroll | ok | 19:54 |
| devananda | however, we need cores (and ideally myself, too) to have time | 19:54 |
| devananda | to review it | 19:54 |
| jroll | yeah | 19:54 |
| jroll | I understand | 19:54 |
| JayF | Then why can't we do that, then file bugs on items we can improve -- like the testing scenarios you've pointed out. | 19:54 |
| devananda | and make sure that it's architecturally close *enough* | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: have you guys looked at the tripleO deploy-ironic element. are we going to need a deploy-ironic-agent element too? | 19:54 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I haven't personally looked at it at all | 19:54 |
| devananda | jroll: how are you guys building the "agent ramdisk" today? | 19:54 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: The diskimage-builder as it exists now is insufficient to run the agent | 19:55 |
| devananda | ooh | 19:55 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: We require a true init in the ramdisk, and right now that's unsupported. | 19:55 |
| jroll | devananda: there's an imagebuild/coreos directory with a makefile | 19:55 |
| jroll | essentially we just run make on that | 19:55 |
| JayF | I can document the process to build the image as it exists now if that would be helpful | 19:56 |
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| lucasagomes | JayF, any work on the pipeline to add support to diskimage builder (at least for fedora element) to use systemd? | 19:56 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: what about supporting lvm in agent? yes or no? | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, that would yes | 19:56 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: not as I've seen, and it basically changes behavior significantly if you're on a ramdisk or not | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | are we going to keep a golden image of the deploy-agent or require users to build? | 19:57 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: i'm still of the opinion "no". I started drafting an email to the list but haven't finished it yet | 19:57 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: so the diskimage-builder stuff, when using a ramdisk, competely strips out the init system, and that appeared to be the same on fedora/ubuntu/etc | 19:57 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I believe it should be the same plan as we have with DIB today | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, yeah, it uses a custom init script :( | 19:57 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: we haven't discussed that, I'm okay with a "golden image" if it's possible | 19:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | devananda: ok, now I think it is not so big problem as i thought before | 19:57 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: yeah, and frankly, we want systemd or upstart or any type of init system that can respawn an agent | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | fyi: two minute beep... *BEEP* | 19:58 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I don't think there's any user-specific things in that image, but there may be | 19:58 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: oh? i'm glad to hear that but curious what changed :) | 19:58 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: we never want to be in a situation where the agent can die without being respawned | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: devtest builds each time | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, heh yeah I think that quite important as well (/me likes systemd) | 19:58 |
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| devananda | JayF: how many of your requirements would go away if you did not assume a long-lived agent? | 19:58 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: it's on a list of things I'd like to do, but frankly, it's hard to spend time on it when we have another solution working and other things between us and a working prototype | 19:58 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: I just realized that our use cases could be covered with md | 19:58 |
| devananda | JayF: eg, "we want .. an init system that can respawn an agent" -- we can also just power cycle the machine :) | 19:59 |
| jroll | hmmmmmm | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | < 1 minutes | 19:59 |
| JayF | devananda: IMO software running as pid 1 should be an init system, not an agent, and I'm not in favor of any model where the agent, or some bash script that does a little more than spawn the agent, as pid 1 | 19:59 |
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| JayF | whether the agent is short or long lived | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I see, yeah I can figure out that it's out of the scope for u guys now... but we should at least track it somewhere, since we have been using tripleO for geneting all the images we use | 19:59 |
| devananda | I see only one reason for a long-lived agent, which you guys presented previously -- save 1 POST cycle | 20:00 |
| JayF | it's just bad operational practice, and this will be running on more machines than ironic itself, at least in the environment I invision | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | *Beep* time | 20:00 |
| devananda | right -- time's up! thanks everyone! let's continue in -ironic as needed | 20:00 |
| romcheg | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| jroll | thanks everybody | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | cheers | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 14 20:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| mrda | thanks | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-14-19.00.html | 20:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting milk | 20:01 |
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| sarob | roll call | 20:01 |
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| sarob | we will try again next week | 20:50 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-04-14-20.01.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-04-14-20.01.txt | 20:50 |
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| mestery | Hi folks! | 20:59 |
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| emagana | Hi There! | 20:59 |
| jlibosva | hey | 20:59 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:00 |
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| arosen | Hiya | 21:00 |
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| pcm_ | hi | 21:00 |
| obondarev | hi all | 21:00 |
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| sweston | Greetings! | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
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| banix | hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 14 21:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| Swami | hi all | 21:02 |
| mestery | First of all, I'd like to say a huge thank you to markmcclain for being PTL the past two cycles! | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | thanks markmcclain and congratulations mestery | 21:02 |
| mestery | I have some incredibly large shoes to fill, I hope I am up to the task! | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | I think he's 10 1/2 | 21:02 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: In that case, my feet are about to hurt, as I'm a 14. :) | 21:03 |
| emagana | I second salv-orlando | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | 12 :p (or 46 if you prefer euro sizing) :p | 21:03 |
| mestery | That's a bit closer markmcclain, but still tight. ;) | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | I guessed it… 12 US size is pretty much 10 1/2 UK size ;) ok, back to things that matter | 21:03 |
| mestery | So, a note on Icehouse: If there are critical icehouse issues, please let me and markmcclain know. He is the point of contact of Icehouse issues. | 21:04 |
| armax | have I joined the right meeting? :) | 21:04 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I don't think there are any at the moment, correct? | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | to my knowledge nothing is blocking release | 21:04 |
| mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 21:04 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| mestery | jilbosova: You have put this one in the agenda: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1280464 | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1280464 in neutron "grenade-dsvm-neutron Failure in upgrade-swift (dup-of: 1235149)" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235149 in grenade "Add neutron upgrade process to grenade project" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 21:05 |
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| mestery | jilbosova: Any updates on this one? | 21:05 |
| mestery | jlibosva: ^^^ | 21:06 |
| jlibosva | mestery: salv-orlando started an email thread about dealing with service plugins | 21:06 |
| mestery | salv-orlando jlibosva: This is related to this bug, or there is overlap? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1307344 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1307344 in neutron "neutron migrations are not idempotent or invariant to enabled services" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | yes. However I'd want to anticipate that this is not being solved today, tomorrow or next monday | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | I still think we should strive to get grenade running - even if we know we have this problem. | 21:07 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, understood, I've read your comments and this is a large issue for sure. | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | So I would propose to put grenade in a situation where previous and current revision run the same configuration | 21:08 |
| jlibosva | mestery: salv-orlando ugly workaround could be generating specific migration in grenade | 21:08 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032608.html Neutron Migrations Email Thread from salv-orlando | 21:08 |
| jlibosva | just to have working grenade | 21:08 |
| jlibosva | but similar issues may pop up later | 21:08 |
| mestery | That sounds pretty ugly jlibosva. :) | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I was just thinking to run the 'new' devstack in a way that the same plugins as the old one are executed | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | and frankly, this might sort by itself once we switch to juno | 21:08 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: won't it break tempest tests for metering? | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | as new would be juno and old icehouse | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I think it should be possible for grenade to give devstack a different localrc than the one executed in standard jobs. However, this is the kind of thing we can discuss tomorrow morning ;) | 21:09 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: ack | 21:10 |
| mestery | Thanks for looking into this salv-orlando and jlibosva. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | arosen has a list of nova bugs in the agenda which neutron cores should also be reviewing. | 21:10 |
| mestery | arosen: Anything specific you wanted to add around these? | 21:11 |
| arosen | mestery: nope not really | 21:11 |
| mestery | arosen: OK, thanks. So, please take some time to review these now. | 21:11 |
| arosen | mestery: these bugfixes just remove some of the unneeded calls from nova into neutron | 21:11 |
| arosen | mestery: thanks! | 21:11 |
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| mestery | arosen: Yes, I looked at them briefly this morning, hopefully these can be merged, as it appeared some nova folks had issues merging them at the end of icehouse. | 21:12 |
| mestery | Are there other bugs anyone wants to bring up at this time? | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | Nope, just a friendly reminder that nova core recommends nova/neutron patches to be reviewed by neutron cores as well | 21:13 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks for the reminder here. :) | 21:13 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:14 |
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| mestery | emgagana: Hi! | 21:14 |
| emagana | mestery: here! | 21:14 |
| emagana | Wiki has been updated with the commits from everybody!!! Huge thanks to all good citizens from the Docs World! | 21:15 |
| mestery | Yes, thank you to everyone who is submitting docs patches! | 21:15 |
| emagana | There are one or two bugs without owner: | 21:15 |
| emagana | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1296997 | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1296997 in openstack-manuals "Add script to migrate ovs or lb db to ml2 db" [High,Confirmed] | 21:15 |
| emagana | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1026745 | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1026745 in openstack-manuals "Quantum docs should describe XenAPI setup" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:15 |
| emagana | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1283930 | 21:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1283930 in openstack-manuals "Make metaplugin be used with a router service plugin" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:16 |
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| emagana | volunteers??? | 21:16 |
| emagana | specially for 1296997 | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | The metaplugin is untested | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | and technically deprecated in Icehouse | 21:16 |
| mestery | markmcclain: That's a good point. | 21:16 |
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| emagana | should be removed all docs about Metaplugin? | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | should be metaplugin removed (cheeky comment) | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | why? | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | on a less cheeky note, I think now ML2 supersedes it | 21:17 |
| mestery | Those are interesting questions at this stage. | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | Metaplugin has gating now | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | and tested | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | well if it implements any use case not supported my ml2 it's ok to keep | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | also we won't have a migration straegy, so I was joking | 21:18 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: OK, cool, I didn't know that at this point. | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: link? | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: pleasy don't be offended | 21:18 |
| sweston | mestery: I'll volunteer for 1296997 | 21:18 |
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| nati_ueno | let me grab link | 21:18 |
| mestery | emagana: You've got a volunteer in sweston. :) | 21:19 |
| emagana | Thanks sweston | 21:19 |
| sweston | always :-) | 21:19 |
| emagana | yeap, I will chase sweston to the end of the days! | 21:19 |
| sweston | hehe, it's okay, I'm easy to catch | 21:19 |
| mestery | While we wait for the metaplugin link from nati_ueno, any other docs updates emagana? | 21:20 |
| emagana | nope! | 21:20 |
| nati_ueno | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/10121 | 21:20 |
| nati_ueno | Metapluing can support plugins which don't support ml2 | 21:20 |
| annegentle | emagana: how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1226279? if Diane can have samples she can document | 21:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226279 in openstack-manuals "document multiprovidernet extension" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:21 |
| nati_ueno | I'm thinking about how to migrate it for the ML2, but It is under progress. | 21:21 |
| emagana | annegentle: Yes, I will ask directly arosen to help Diane | 21:21 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: OK, but the bottom line is you're still supporting metaplugin at the moment? | 21:22 |
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| nati_ueno | mestery: ys | 21:22 |
| emagana | annegentle: I will follow up by ML with Diane and arosen | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: yes | 21:22 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: OK, thanks! | 21:22 |
| mestery | OK, moving along to the next item on the agenda. | 21:22 |
| marun | sweston: let me know if you have any questions that aren't answered by the script's docstring. | 21:22 |
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| mestery | #topic Juno Design Summit | 21:22 |
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| mestery | The deadline to submit Summit Sessions is April 20, which is coming up quickly. | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | let me take 1283930 | 21:23 |
| sweston | marun: thanks, I will take you up on that | 21:23 |
| mestery | Remember when filing ideas to also think about community work and things which benefit the project as a whole (e.g. common core). | 21:23 |
| emagana | nati_ueno: Thanks! Please, assign the bug to yourself | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | emagana: done :) | 21:23 |
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| mestery | I'm hoping to start reviewing Summit Session Ideas this week yet to get a head start on planning the sessions. | 21:24 |
| mestery | core devs: I'll be reaching out to you to help as I go through the sessions. | 21:24 |
| mlavalle | mestery: would you share the url where we can enter ideas for session? | 21:25 |
| mestery | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ Summit Session Proposal Page | 21:25 |
| mestery | mlavalle: ^^^ | 21:25 |
| mlavalle | mestery: thanks | 21:25 |
| mestery | Any questions on the Juno Design Summit? | 21:26 |
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| mestery | #topic Neutron Tempest | 21:27 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: hi! | 21:27 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Any updates on Tempest this week? | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | mestery: we have continued making progress merging api tests | 21:27 |
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| mlavalle | we are tracking 28 patchsets. As of today we have merged 20 | 21:28 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Great! | 21:28 |
| mestery | Thanks to mlavalle and everyone contributing Tempest patches! | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | we have only 2 abandoned, which we will recover soon | 21:28 |
| HenryG | mlavalle: where is the list? | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | HenryG: the list of what has been merged is in the agenda | 21:29 |
| HenryG | mlavalle: the remaining 8? | 21:29 |
| mestery | HenryG: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Neutron_Tempest_.28mlavalle.29 | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | and I can send a list of what remains to be merged to the ML | 21:29 |
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| HenryG | mlavalle: thanks, please do | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: my update is that as soon as Icehouse is release I will push an openstack-infra/config patch to make the full job voting. This also means you will be pinged a lotfrom infra team regarding gate failures! | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | I am also planning with yfried to start a similar effort for scenario tests | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | during Juno | 21:30 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks ... I think. ;) | 21:30 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Great! | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: a higher failure rate is unavoidable, but the early stages of the release cycle is probably the best time to deal with it. | 21:31 |
| mestery | So, along with these tests, I know marun has been working on boot strapping our functional tests. All of these areas will help with Neutron stability and testability. | 21:31 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: do you have any list for scenario tests? | 21:31 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, agreed. | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | Suhkdev: Not yet. We will send a message to the ML asking for proposals | 21:32 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: cool…thanks | 21:32 |
| mestery | mlavalle: So you're looking at new scenario tests, is that right? | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | mestery: correct. | 21:32 |
| mestery | mlavalle: That may be a good Design Summit Session to propose. | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | we would like to discuss with the core team during the summit | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | mestery: we were thinking the same :-) | 21:33 |
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| mlavalle | how can I get that session in the agenda? | 21:33 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Perfect! | 21:33 |
| marun | mlavalle: I hope to be involved in discussion of new scenario additions to ensure that we need to work at that level. | 21:33 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: Be sure include some multi-node scenario tests as well | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | marun: more than welcome | 21:33 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Please propose your sessions here http://summit.openstack.org/ and we'll make sure it gets a slot. | 21:34 |
| mlavalle | mestery: will do. that's all I have | 21:34 |
| mestery | marun: Are you going to propose any functional testing sessions as well? I think those would be good to talk about as well. | 21:34 |
| mestery | thanks mlavalle! | 21:35 |
| marun | mestery: Yes, I will be proposing one or more sessions on testing, including functional testing. | 21:35 |
| mestery | marun: OK, thanks! | 21:35 |
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| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:35 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: hi! | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:35 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Looks like you have some updates for us? | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Continued progress in a few areas. DVR is getting WIP in to gerrit. L2 and L3 agent changes soon to come. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Also have made progress with root wrap performance issue. Also in review in gerrit. | 21:36 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Fantastic! Those are critical to us closing the nova-network gap, so this is great to see! | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | This week we began investigation in to multiple subnets on external network and discussion. Will continue in this week's meeting. | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: is the plan still to address E-W traffic first, and then N-S? | 21:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: both are being addressed. | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | ok cool | 21:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Also continue dynamic routing use case discussion for possible summit topic. | 21:38 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin, mestery: any thought on ML3? - Perhaps a design session to open discussion? | 21:38 |
| Swami | salv_orlando: We are planning to address both East-West and North-South | 21:39 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I owe carl_baldwin an agenda item for the L3 meeting to discuss this, yes. | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: +1 to bgp speaker discussion | 21:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: I'd love to know more about ML3. | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | Sukhdev: Isn't this what you're looking for: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/81 | 21:39 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, that session from pcm_ is along those lines. | 21:39 |
| marun | off topic, but I'd like to see us avoid ML2 for other functions | 21:40 |
| marun | It should simply be a framework within neutron, as ml2 will eventually become | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | the outcome from icehouse summit re bgp was that no action was required for neutron ;) | 21:40 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: yes - something like this…thanks for the link - was not aware of this | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | I remember I led that session discussion | 21:40 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: :) | 21:40 |
| emagana | I believe we should move Neutron in a entire Services Framework but it is just me and my crazy world! | 21:41 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Could you do read through of the use cases on the wiki? Linked from the l3 agenda page. | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | but I think it's ok to discuss it again… after all we've been discussing what emagana says for the past two years | 21:41 |
| marun | emagana: baby steps | 21:41 |
| enikanorov_ | true | 21:41 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Has it been two years? It feels older. | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | just the advanced services insertion steering chaining and whatever | 21:42 |
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| marun | can of worms? apologies | 21:42 |
| carl_baldwin | ML3 / L3 vendor plugins is something that we can add to the agenda. | 21:42 |
| emagana | we are all getting old! | 21:42 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! If you put that on your agenda this week, we should send email to the ML alerting folks that we'll discuss it there. | 21:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I will do that. | 21:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks mestery that is all I have to report. | 21:43 |
| mestery | thanks carl_baldwin! | 21:43 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: please do….thanks | 21:43 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:43 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Any updates this week? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | mestery: sc68cal is offline, but I met with him today | 21:44 |
| yamahata | uuuuuuuuuuuu | 21:44 |
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| yamahata | sorry | 21:44 |
| mestery | markmcclain: OK, thanks! I wasn't sure if the IPv6 section was updated or not. | 21:44 |
| enikanorov_ | yamahata: cleaning keyboard? : ) | 21:44 |
| mestery | yamahata: Or perhaps a cat run across your keyboard! | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | now that Juno is open resume work on host configuration backends | 21:45 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for the update markmcclain! | 21:45 |
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| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: :-) | 21:46 |
| mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:47 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: Hi | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | can give a quick update | 21:47 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: OK, thanks! | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | few of us here who are working on fleshing out the model and working on a PoC | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | model is mostly fleshed out | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently little more work needs to be done with respect to services’ insertion | 21:48 |
| Sukhdev | SumitNaiksatam: are you in a position to share the model? | 21:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Sukhdev: already shared - #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/document/d/1ZbOFxAoibZbJmDWx1oOrOsDcov6Cuom5aaBIrupCD9E/edit?pli=1#heading=h.x1h06xqhlo1n | 21:49 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for the update SumitNaiksatam! | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the latest WIP is here #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/presentation/d/1Nn1HjghAvk2RTPwvltSrnCUJkidWKWY2ckU7OYAVNpo/edit#slide=id.g1c910cf8b_00 | 21:49 |
| Sukhdev | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have not merged it into the main document yet | 21:49 |
| marun | any plans to transition those docs to the new gerrit repo? | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are also working in paralled on the policy model and policy enforcement code | 21:50 |
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| marun | How are you planning on submitting this code to the tree? | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats it from us, happy to answer questions | 21:50 |
| mestery | marun: The new git repo for doc reviews is on my list of things to flesh out this week. | 21:50 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:50 |
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| marun | ^ | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: yes, pretty soon | 21:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: it will be the regular gerrit review process | 21:51 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I get that | 21:51 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I'm wondering how the POC that has been worked on in github is going to be broken into reviewable chunks | 21:52 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Or is the intent that it be small enough to review as a single patch? | 21:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: currently, its not that large | 21:52 |
| marun | sorry, maybe should ask offline. I'm sure there are better questions | 21:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: but its very much WIP | 21:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: so havent yet figured out how or when to break it up | 21:53 |
| mestery | marun: No worries, this is Open Discussion after all. :) | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: earlier we were thinking two patches probably | 21:53 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Would like to see it WIP sooner than later, even if not final. | 21:53 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: makes it more accessible for everyone to see | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: absolutely, that was the plan | 21:53 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 21:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marun: it has taken longer because the discussions on the model are still ongoing | 21:53 |
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| marun | SumitNaiksatam: I guess I'm not sure of the idea of trying to get to some 'good' state before review | 21:54 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Because then fewer artifacts are in openstack-maintained infrastructure | 21:54 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: Not necessarily a concern just for group policy | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: agreed | 21:55 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam: rather I'd like to make sure we are working towards better process for introducing new capabilities | 21:55 |
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| mestery | marun: I agree with that completely. I think the revamping of the BP process to use gerrit is moving us along those lines to be honest. | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: probably a question for the PTL? ;-) | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | I thought the plan was to follow Nova's spec repo | 21:56 |
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| marun | that's my hope too | 21:56 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Yes, it is. | 21:56 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I think we just need to make people aware of it and post some instructions for neutron folks to use. | 21:57 |
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| marun | …and then we can push back on patches whose bp's arent' maintained in the spec repo | 21:57 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: +1 for a few instructions like how the repository will be laid out. | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | mestery: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 21:57 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Thanks for sharing. I'll update this for Neutron as well. | 21:58 |
| mestery | And I'll send an email to the ML letting people know we've moved to this officially. | 21:58 |
| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: That link looks like a good start. | 21:58 |
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| mestery | OK, we're almost out of time here for today. | 21:59 |
| mestery | I'll stay on top of htis new BP process and send out instructions to the ML soon. | 21:59 |
| mestery | Please keep filing session ideas for the Juno Summit! | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 14 21:59:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-14-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| emagana | emagana proposes a Neutron party in Atlanta that mestery should organize :-) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-14-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| Sukhdev__ | bye | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-14-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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| pcm_ | bye | 22:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 22:00 |
| marun | emagana: ping | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 22:00 |
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| armax | bye | 22:00 |
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| marun | emagana: who's tasked with adding docs for nova - neutron notifications? | 22:01 |
| emagana | marun: pong | 22:01 |
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| emagana | marun: I am not familiar if there is a doc guy in nova | 22:01 |
| emagana | but I can find out and let you know | 22:02 |
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| emagana | otherwise it will be Diane Tom Anne, all the docs people | 22:02 |
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| marun | emagana: ok | 22:02 |
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| marun | emagana: Just making sure. I've been talking to puppet and packstack (deployment tool) folks today about it since without explicit config nova and neutron don't play play nice anymore | 22:03 |
| marun | emagana: That suggest to me that documenting the configuration requirements would ideally be a priority over feature additions that aren't critical path. | 22:03 |
| marun | emagana: I apologize if that sounds presumptuous. | 22:04 |
| emagana | no it does not | 22:04 |
| emagana | this is what we have fixed lately | 22:04 |
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| emagana | I dont want to have a summit session for NEutron Docs but I will ask Kyle to repeat the message about config changes | 22:05 |
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| marun | emagana: That would be great. | 22:06 |
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| marun | emagana: The nova configuration options are already configured: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/list-of-compute-config-options.html | 22:07 |
| marun | emagana: I checked the list of neutron configuration options and they aren't there yet. | 22:08 |
| emagana | marun: it would be great if you can create bugs for all of them | 22:08 |
| emagana | feel free to assign those ones to me | 22:08 |
| emagana | I am good finding owners :-) | 22:09 |
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| emagana | marun: I need to leave now.. on my way to Red Hat Summit in S.F. :-) | 22:09 |
| marun | emagana: ah, have a safe trip! | 22:09 |
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| emagana | marun: are you in S.F. by any chace? | 22:10 |
| marun | emagana: the weather looks gorgeous, as it usually is when I go away. | 22:10 |
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| marun | emagana: I'm in canada for pycon this week | 22:10 |
| emagana | marun: enjoy Montreal | 22:10 |
| emagana | marun: ciao | 22:10 |
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| marun | emagana: ciao! | 22:10 |
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