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| s3wong | no service VM meeting? | 05:10 |
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| yamahata | hello | 05:14 |
| yamahata | s3wong: still there? | 05:14 |
| s3wong | yamahata: hello | 05:14 |
| yamahata | sorry for late | 05:14 |
| s3wong | it's OK | 05:14 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting neutron/service#topic | 05:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 05:15:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron/service#topic)" | 05:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_service_topic' | 05:15 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 05:15:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_service_topic/2014/neutron_service_topic.2014-04-01-05.15.html | 05:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_service_topic/2014/neutron_service_topic.2014-04-01-05.15.txt | 05:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_service_topic/2014/neutron_service_topic.2014-04-01-05.15.log.html | 05:15 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting neutron/servicevm | 05:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 05:15:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron/servicevm)" | 05:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_servicevm' | 05:15 |
| yamahata | #topic current-status | 05:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "current-status (Meeting topic: neutron/servicevm)" | 05:16 | |
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| yamahata | The code is under debugging. | 05:16 |
| yamahata | I haven't published the image yet | 05:17 |
| yamahata | The WIP code is available at github. It's still under debug | 05:18 |
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| yamahata | #link https://github.com/yamahata/neutron/tree/adv-svc-vm | 05:18 |
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| yamahata | Hopefully I can finish it soon. | 05:20 |
| yamahata | any questions? | 05:20 |
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| s3wong | I took a look at the DB/API code - briefly | 05:20 |
| yamahata | s3wong: great. | 05:21 |
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| s3wong | I generally want to ask two questions: | 05:21 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Yes? | 05:21 |
| s3wong | (a) there seems to be a lot of elements added to the database | 05:21 |
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| s3wong | (b) why is service type used when we are moving to a flavor framework? | 05:22 |
| s3wong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83055/ | 05:22 |
| yamahata | Regarding to (a), do you mean that newly introduced tables/coloumns are too many? | 05:23 |
| yamahata | and that those can be reduced? | 05:23 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: yes - seems like there are a lot of table/columns introduced | 05:24 |
| s3wong | and I wonder if some of those could be consolidated? | 05:24 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Maybe yes. At least service-context table can/should be removed when the service insertion patch is merged. | 05:25 |
| yamahata | s3wong: do you have ideas? | 05:26 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I do realize the service context patch hasn't been approved yet (in fact, I just talked to SumitNaiksatam this morning) | 05:26 |
| yamahata | I think some columns are duplicated and can be removed. | 05:26 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I see. | 05:27 |
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| yamahata | Ok, the tables should be revised. | 05:28 |
| s3wong | yamahata: what you have now is perhaps what is needed to make it work, but probably better to coordinate with the advanced service subgroup to see where we can work better together | 05:29 |
| yamahata | s3wong: agree. Unfortunately the timeslot for advanced service meeting doesn't work for me. | 05:30 |
| yamahata | anyway we can contact them by other ways. | 05:30 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: understand. Once I understand the service VM framework better, I may be able to act as a liaison (I am part of that subgroup) | 05:31 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Regarding to (b), it's intended to represent what kind of service like lbaas, fwaas. | 05:32 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Agreed, with flavour framework, it should be revised somehow. | 05:33 |
| s3wong | yamahata: certainly flavor framework isn't ready neither; that said, another area that may cause you to change your code | 05:33 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: thank you for feed back | 05:36 |
| yamahata | do you have any other issues/questions? | 05:36 |
| s3wong | yamahata: just these - after doing a first pass through of your posted review | 05:37 |
| yamahata | s3wong: thanks, then next topic | 05:37 |
| yamahata | #topic dividing tasks into smaller ones | 05:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dividing tasks into smaller ones (Meeting topic: neutron/servicevm)" | 05:37 | |
| yamahata | so far there are similar blueprints including servicevm | 05:38 |
| yamahata | I think they (including mine) has mostly same goal. They just describe the same problem from different angle with different terminology | 05:38 |
| yamahata | At the same time, it would be difficult to reach consensus on whole proposal. | 05:39 |
| yamahata | So I'd like to divide the proposals into smaller ones which can be treated more easily. | 05:40 |
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| yamahata | Now I identified, vm(or device or network resource) management | 05:41 |
| yamahata | communication with guest agent(or management layer of the device) | 05:41 |
| yamahata | configuration(enabling/disabling) of services | 05:41 |
| yamahata | tracking VM(or device)/service | 05:42 |
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| yamahata | They can be attacked independently and the resulted code can be shared | 05:42 |
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| yamahata | Thus each blueprints can make progress | 05:43 |
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| yamahata | the communication with guest agents could be used by other projects, I think. | 05:44 |
| yamahata | That's what I'm thinking about. | 05:45 |
| yamahata | any thought? | 05:45 |
| s3wong | yamahata: it seems like your code covers quite a lot of the above already? | 05:46 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: Yes. The existing code can be a good starting point. | 05:46 |
| yamahata | I'd like to hear from those who can share the code | 05:47 |
| s3wong | yamahata: from the projects you listed, I don't know if any of them had posted code for review yet | 05:47 |
| yamahata | I'll split the patches into smaller patches | 05:48 |
| s3wong | I heard dynamic resource management has code, but I don't know if I saw the patch posted? | 05:48 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: I don't know neither. | 05:48 |
| s3wong | yamahata: +1 for breaking up the CR into pieces | 05:49 |
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| s3wong | I think for a feature this big, community generally doesn't expect all the code to go in in a big chunk | 05:49 |
| s3wong | breaking it down makes it easier for review also | 05:49 |
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| yamahata | let's split up the features and will see the results | 05:52 |
| yamahata | Are those features worth each blueprints? | 05:52 |
| s3wong | yamahata: do you need someone to help out with some pieces? | 05:53 |
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| yamahata | Maybe the documentation can be single documentation. | 05:53 |
| yamahata | s3wong: off course. The help is welcome | 05:53 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: I think one document is fine - even one bp is fine, since the intent is clear | 05:53 |
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| yamahata | s3wong: So I won't waste my time to creating many BPs. It's easy. | 05:54 |
| s3wong | but having pieces worked on by different community members, and submitting patches in sequence (instead of one big chunk) will help | 05:54 |
| s3wong | for example, for the group-policy project, we also only have one bp and one design doc | 05:55 |
| s3wong | but many people working on code, and we will integrate to get a PoC done | 05:55 |
| yamahata | s3wong: I see. It encourages me. | 05:55 |
| s3wong | then the idea is we will submit the CR by components instead of a one shot deal | 05:55 |
| yamahata | sounds reasonable | 05:56 |
| yamahata | Hmm so the first thing I do is write down the draft of the division in the doc. | 05:57 |
| yamahata | so that people can cooperate | 05:57 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata write down the draft of the division in the doc | 05:57 |
| s3wong | yamahata: that would be great. I also believe the email you sent, at least Balaji has shown interest | 05:57 |
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| s3wong | he just got onto the wrong channel :-) | 05:58 |
| yamahata | s3wong: really? I'd like to reach him, but I wasn't able to. | 05:58 |
| s3wong | yamahata: so if you have the doc with breakdown, and send it again to the list, perhaps we can encourage others to join in to help as well | 05:58 |
| yamahata | sound great idea. Will do | 05:59 |
| yamahata | # action yamahata the doc with breakdown, and send it again to the list | 05:59 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I just saw his email (though it was already 25 minutes ago), he got onto #openstack-meeting-3 | 05:59 |
| yamahata | Ah. I should have been on IRC on time. | 05:59 |
| yamahata | I haven't seen the mails yet. | 06:00 |
| s3wong | yamahata: Nah - he was on the wrong channel anyway :-) | 06:00 |
| s3wong | I replied to his email, we should ask him to join again, this time on the right channel :-) | 06:00 |
| yamahata | s3wong: anyway we can try next week. On right time on right channel. | 06:00 |
| s3wong | right | 06:01 |
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| yamahata | anyother topics? | 06:01 |
| s3wong | Not now - and we reached the end of the meeting time anyway :-) | 06:01 |
| yamahata | thanks | 06:02 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 06:02 |
| yamahata | next week | 06:02 |
| s3wong | sure, I will also take a look at the LB patch | 06:02 |
| yamahata | endmeeting | 06:02 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 06:02 |
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| sc68cal | Who's here for the IPv6 meeting? | 14:00 |
| xuhanp | hello | 14:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 14:01 |
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| djoreilly | hi | 14:01 |
| SridharG | Hi | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting ipv6_neutron | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 14:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ipv6_neutron' | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Currently, there is mostly a focus on the RC-1 release | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | Also, yesterday during the main meeting it was announced that Neutron is going to be following the lead of Nova and other projects when it comes to blueprints | 14:03 |
| sc68cal | meaning, that blueprints are going to move from Launchpad, to a git repository managed by Gerrit | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | an e-mail to the ML explaining the move is pending, but if you've been following the ML, you can check out the thread over in Nova to get an idea | 14:04 |
| baoli | yea, just heard about that too. | 14:04 |
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| sc68cal | Also - I'd like to solicit people's opinions on the way the current subteam is organized | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | For a while in the beginning, I tried to make an agenda on the wiki for every week's meeting, and follow the same couple of topics each meeting | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | recap, blueprints, bugs, open discussion | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | But it's been a one-man process with not a lot of input from everyone else | 14:08 |
| sc68cal | Is everyone comfortable with the format, or does there need to be changes? | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | Some of the other teams have put a lot of stuff on their subteam wiki pages, for each meeeting - and most of the time ours is just a copy and paste of the same bullet points | 14:10 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, any suggestions about how to include more content in our meeting? | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: for a couple of the first meetings I would shoot an e-mail to the ML with a link to the wiki, and ask people to add stuff to the agenda if they wanted to talk about something | 14:11 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, that sounds helpful! | 14:12 |
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| sc68cal | So, it's just a thought I had - and I wanted to bring it up with the group and see if there was any feedback. If the current pattern of recap, blueprints, bugs, and open discussion works for everyone, I can continue doing it, but I'll also check our subteam wiki for stuff that people want to talk about | 14:15 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: maybe we can solicit a feature request list at the summit? | 14:15 |
| aveiga | continue as we are until then | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | aveiga: that sounds like a good idea - I know the LbaaS team just set up a wiki page for use cases and asked people to start listing theirs | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | and shot it to the ML | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | So - I'm not sure what the procedure is for the RCs - when it comes to getting patches like the filtering of RAs from subnet gateways and router devices | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | merged | 14:21 |
| aveiga | I think it's only bugfixes | 14:21 |
| aveiga | not new stuff | 14:21 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga, my patch is delivered by a bug fix :-) | 14:22 |
| xuhanp | I am having some final tests, and I will ping some core member once I get the -1 address. | 14:22 |
| aveiga | what I meant was, unless it fixes an issue introduced in RC1, they likely won't accept it until Juno | 14:22 |
| aveiga | but ask anyway | 14:23 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga, good to know | 14:23 |
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| xuhanp | since we are talking about security, do we want to consider other security enhancement? | 14:24 |
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| xuhanp | for IPv6 | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | sure! | 14:24 |
| xuhanp | this was also mentioned by Édouard Thuleau on my patch. | 14:24 |
| xuhanp | one question is about if we should drop egress RA like RA guard. | 14:25 |
| aveiga | you mean drop RAs being sent from a VM? | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72252/ | 14:26 |
| djoreilly | think so, vms have no business sending them | 14:26 |
| aveiga | djoreilly: not true! | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | 'Édouard Thuleau' | 14:26 |
| aveiga | run a Load Balancer or firewall in a VM. If it's a gateway for a private tenant network, it issues RAs | 14:26 |
| djoreilly | so they are serice type vms | 14:27 |
| aveiga | I think we should only drop them if they aren't also listed as Neutron gateways for that subnet | 14:27 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, that was my thought. But in that case, since we limit the ingress RA to gateway, why do we need to drop them? | 14:27 |
| aveiga | we shouldn't, that's exaclt my point. If they're listed, we don't drop them. If they aren't listed, we can drop them | 14:28 |
| aveiga | exactly* | 14:28 |
| djoreilly | ok | 14:28 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, even if they are not listed, the RA cannot going into other VMs, right? | 14:29 |
| xuhanp | is the drop necessary? | 14:29 |
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| xuhanp | Oh. I see your point. you are saying they are already dropped? | 14:29 |
| aveiga | yes, I don't think we want to accidentally announce RAs to a provider network, since there might be otehr devices on that network not owned by openstack | 14:29 |
| xuhanp | by default rule? | 14:29 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga, OK. I see. | 14:30 |
| xuhanp | that maybe something worth improving in Juno. | 14:30 |
| aveiga | I don't think it's a huge risk right now though | 14:30 |
| aveiga | yeah, that's a Juno thing | 14:30 |
| aveiga | we'll want to wait for a better SG setup anyway, since this is going to cause a LOT of extra rules in iptables right now | 14:30 |
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| aveiga | I'm concerned about hurting network performance by installing t oo many of them | 14:31 |
| sc68cal | I know there was work being done on adding IPSets support | 14:31 |
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| aveiga | sc68cal: that own't help here | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | but that was a long time ago and I haven't heard anything since like...... grizzly summit | 14:32 |
| aveiga | this is rule duplication per VM tap port, not a list of addresses | 14:32 |
| aveiga | xuhanp: why don't you write this as a line item in the subteam wiki and mark it to be addressed in Juno? | 14:32 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, sure. will do. | 14:33 |
| xuhanp | #action xuhanp to write egress rule improvement in wiki and mark it to be addressed in Juno | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | I think I have to do it to make openstack pay attention :) | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | #action xuhanp to write egress rule improvement in wiki and mark it to be addressed in Juno | 14:34 |
| aveiga | without the leading space | 14:35 |
| sc68cal | #action xuhanp to write egress rule improvement in wiki and mark it to be addressed in Juno | 14:35 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, thanks | 14:35 |
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| xuhanp | also Édouard Thuleau added a PDF about IPv6 security rules from Cisco to help inspire the security enhancement | 14:37 |
| xuhanp | #link http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enterprise-ipv6-solution/aag_c45-707354.pdf | 14:37 |
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| sc68cal | I haven't looked at the PDF yet - but depending on the scope it may be worth a blueprint for just that | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | I think parts of this are worth looking into | 14:39 |
| aveiga | some of it may be overkill and degrade performance though | 14:39 |
| xuhanp | there are interesting points about Ipv6 snooping | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | we're already fixing the RA and DHCPv6 parts | 14:40 |
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| sc68cal | If there isn't anything else, I can give everyone 15 minutes back | 14:44 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, a quick question. does anyone has any experience on the unit test of neutron client? | 14:45 |
| xuhanp | I have some trouble with that and need some help | 14:45 |
| sc68cal | I have some, from doing the qos api extension | 14:45 |
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| xuhanp | great! can I talk to you in neutron IRC? | 14:45 |
| sc68cal | sure! | 14:45 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, thanks a lot! | 14:46 |
| sc68cal | either that or we can talk over e-mail, I know it's getting late for you | 14:46 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, thanks. Let me try IRC first. | 14:46 |
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| sc68cal | alright everyone - until next week | 14:46 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 14:47:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ipv6_neutron/2014/ipv6_neutron.2014-04-01-14.01.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ipv6_neutron/2014/ipv6_neutron.2014-04-01-14.01.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ipv6_neutron/2014/ipv6_neutron.2014-04-01-14.01.log.html | 14:47 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 14:59:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
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| n0ano | anyone here want to talk about the scheduler? | 14:59 |
| bauzas | o/ | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | btw. please note France switched to CEST yesterday | 15:01 |
| lcostantino | o/ | 15:01 |
| mspreitz | hi | 15:01 |
| n0ano | bauzas, you have my sympathy, I `hate` daylight savings time :-) | 15:01 |
| bauzas | so, there could be some possibilities that people miss the meeting | 15:01 |
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| * johnthetubaguy raises late hand, that is slightly absent | 15:01 | |
| bauzas | well, that's now 5pm now in France, I prefer CET :D | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | hence OpenStack meetings are always UTC, the meeting follow the sun :-) | 15:02 |
| n0ano | anyway, to begin | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic no db scheduler | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | sure | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | given that this project is effectively deferred until after Juno it's silly to try and talk about it every week... | 15:03 |
| bauzas | just a fyi, a recent concern about querying host aggregates has been raised where we identified the need of storing AZs and aggs within ComputeNode state | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | so, no-db scheduler could possibly be impacted by this | 15:03 |
| n0ano | at the same time I don't want to forget about it so I think we'll put a note about it as a postscript to the agenda but don't need to talk about it | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | well no-db is blocked by the scheduler split at this point, I feel | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its just the AZ info would go into mem-cache, so not sure thats a big one | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, so, this is just another case of it's going to wait until after Juno | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: I don't think it has too | 15:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: indeed, just a fyi again :) | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: only till after that lib is created | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | Hi all, I seem to have come in half way through a conversation | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: then they can use that seam to make it optional | 15:04 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I was referring to no-db, not the aggregates issue | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: yep, I was meaning thats the solution for no-db, wait for the seam, then use it, so its optional | 15:05 |
| bauzas | anyway, boris-42 told us there were some resource issues for working on no-db, so it will have to wait until Juno :) | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: it is Juno | 15:05 |
| boris-42 | bauzas hi | 15:05 |
| bauzas | hi boris-42 | 15:06 |
| n0ano | I think we're in violent agreement | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | bauzas yep it will wait for juno=) | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | bauzas lol=) | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, still think it's important so we don't want to forget about it | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, juno is open now | 15:06 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, ok | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano hehe=) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | needs nova-specs sorting, etc | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano sorry we have some troubles with Alexei | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano I think I will probably finish that work | 15:07 |
| boris-42 | n0ano to avoid unexpected situation this time.. | 15:07 |
| boris-42 | n0ano was too busy to work on it during icehouse =( | 15:07 |
| n0ano | boris-42, NP, we'll just keep pushing you as the owner, who you get to do the work is your problem | 15:07 |
| bauzas | boris-42: we just discussed about it and said it was worth waiting for sched-lib to be delivered before committing on no-db sched | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | n0ano lol=) | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | bauzas yep it is hard to make lib without it.. | 15:08 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas cause you are totally bind to nova data | 15:08 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas and structuree of nova data | 15:08 |
| bauzas | boris-42: we do baby-steps :) | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | bauzas hehe=) | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | bauzas yep yep | 15:09 |
| bauzas | boris-42: at the moment, we work on the interfaces | 15:09 |
| bauzas | boris-42: but we need to chase all calls from within the scheduler indeed | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | bauzas so you would like to use RPC as interface? | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas I think that interface e.g. (hostname, namespace, values) is the best one | 15:09 |
| bauzas | boris-42: well, I'm teasing the 2nd topic, but we're committed to deliver a sched client | 15:10 |
| bauzas | boris-42: which will take use of the sched rpcapi | 15:10 |
| bauzas | boris-42: baby step, proxying :) | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | bauzas I think that it's more important what you have inside | 15:10 |
| bauzas | boris-42: indeed | 15:10 |
| bauzas | boris-42: but we just need to perform one-by-one :) | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | the key point I was thinking, we can make no-db optional right? | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | bauzas sure sure | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy it changes.. the way how scheuler works | 15:11 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, it was my understanding that was the goal | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so there is no magic button "turn it off" | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: I still think it should be an option, new no-db stuff, or current db stuff | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy one more separated project?) | 15:12 |
| bauzas | boris-42: nah, just a conf flag :) | 15:12 |
| boris-42 | bauzas it has different arch | 15:12 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: well we are creating gantt, but yeah, just a config flag for this case | 15:12 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy it will be different code with different logic.. | 15:12 |
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| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so only interface could be the same | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: best to take it through the nova-specs design review anyways, before the blueprint will be approved | 15:12 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy but in that case we should discuss what "interefact" we would like | 15:13 |
| boris-42 | interface** | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: right, thats the scheduler lib | 15:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1, god loves nova-specs :D | 15:13 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so what I need in no-db is to get updates from host in next way | 15:13 |
| bauzas | boris-42: sounds like we should do peer reviews | 15:13 |
| boris-42 | (hostname, namespace, values) | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea is to call some python code with that above interface, right | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | then the old stuff writes to db | 15:14 |
| bauzas | boris-42: because I will proxy the call from the resource tracker | 15:14 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I'm thinking we need to hash this out at Atlanta | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: strong +2 here | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | your new scheduler driver thingy, does what it needs to do (RPC or whatever) | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy the problem is one more we are chaining how it works | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy it's not only driver part | 15:15 |
| bauzas | again, we're teasing the summit topic :) | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy it's everything | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy storing results, filters, processing results, api | 15:15 |
| n0ano | bauzas, getting issues out early is good, resolving might have to wait for the summit | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy there is only one common possible place | 15:15 |
| bauzas | n0ano: my bad, I was saying we're teasing today's meeting topic called 'summit talks" :D | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: I think I get the bits you are talking about, but it really needs to be an option, I feel, so people can choose when to migrate to the new method | 15:16 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 :-) (I don't mind non-linear converations :-) | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | its about getting the correct seams in the current system, I think | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy heh let me think about it | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy how to make it optional=) | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy separated project seems like a good idea lol=) | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its about a replacement hostmanager, sort of | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy yep whole stuff.. | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | for no-db at least | 15:17 |
| n0ano | boris-42, I think optional is important, even if it means changing your design a little | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | n0ano the issue that it changes everything=) | 15:18 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:18 |
| bauzas | boris-42: I don't remember seeing such a big bang :) | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | n0ano so if you would like to make it optimal in gantt we should have common API | 15:18 |
| mspreitz | Does it even change nova clients? | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | mspreitz lol | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | mspreitz nope | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | it's worth reading the spec here :) | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | mspreitz but it changes nova.compuetes | 15:19 |
| mspreitz | Heat wants to get out of the business of maintaining its own cache of state... | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | bauzas btw I made session | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | bauzas so I can describe whole architecture | 15:19 |
| bauzas | boris-42: and I replied :) | 15:19 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas and seems like I should find time to update docs and learn what was done in Gantt | 15:19 |
| n0ano | boris-42, nothing new has been done in gantt (yet), it is just a forklift of the current scheduler design | 15:20 |
| bauzas | boris-42: ok, let's discuss this in the second next topic :) | 15:20 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas heh=) | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | bauzas n0ano ok I have to go now=) | 15:21 |
| n0ano | good seque | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | bauzas n0ano but I will try to organize development of this stuff | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | from Mirnatis side | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | #topic scheduler forklift | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | boris-42: just take a look at my comment to your proposal in the summit page :) | 15:21 |
| bauzas | boris-42: and ping me later if needed :) | 15:21 |
| boris-42 | bauzas ok thanks | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | ok, so about sched forklift | 15:22 |
| bauzas | a few pointers | 15:22 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/ | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | that's the nova-specs bp | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | feel free to take a look on it | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 please review | 15:23 |
| bauzas | also | 15:23 |
| bauzas | draft implementation is in progress | 15:23 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82778/ | 15:23 |
| bauzas | still need to adapt based on BP review of course | 15:23 |
| bauzas | and still chasing up issues with unittests :) | 15:24 |
| bauzas | woah, I was playing with climate CI, this one is huuuge :) | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | I really enjoy having 200+ tests failing :) | 15:24 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, that doesn't bother me, it normally means something simple and basic is wrong | 15:25 |
| bauzas | hence the draft, so as to ramp-up on nova | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, it's the 3 or 4 random failures that cuase headaches | 15:25 |
| bauzas | n0ano: :) | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | note, I have a tendency to not review things until the tests pass, you never know what might need to change | 15:26 |
| bauzas | n0ano: then focus on the BP :) | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: Jenkins gave me +1 :) | 15:26 |
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| n0ano | on a BP, no bonus points for that :-) | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | well, nothing to add here :) | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | waiting reviews on the BP and in progress on the draft implem | 15:28 |
| n0ano | sounds like we all need to review and then we can discuss more intelligently | 15:28 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sounds a good option to me :D | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, cool, tnx for the work! | 15:28 |
| n0ano | moving on then | 15:28 |
| n0ano | #Atlanta sessions | 15:28 |
| bauzas | nah | 15:28 |
| bauzas | #topic :) | 15:28 |
| n0ano | #topic Atlanta sessions | 15:28 |
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| * n0ano sign | 15:28 | |
| bauzas | :) | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | s/sign/sigh | 15:29 |
| n0ano | anyway... | 15:29 |
| n0ano | I search and found 4 proposals so far... | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1, I found 4 | 15:29 |
| n0ano | No-db scheduler (boris put the same proposal in twice, I guess he really wants it :-) | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: 2 of me, 1 from boris-42, one from jay lau | 15:29 |
| n0ano | sched hints for VM life cycle (looks good to me) | 15:29 |
| n0ano | Forklift & gantt APIs | 15:30 |
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| n0ano | Does anyone else have plans they know of for more proposals? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | we should hurry up for cross-project sessions :) | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | BTW, what is the URL for proposals? | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: lemme give them to you | 15:30 |
| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/180 : no-db | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/99 : sched hints | 15:31 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, for submitting them... | 15:31 |
| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/80 : sched forklift | 15:31 |
| n0ano | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/140 : gantt API | 15:31 |
| bauzas | there was a thread in -dev | 15:31 |
| bauzas | stating that proposals for cross-projects should be sent by end of ... | 15:32 |
| mspreitz | page title says "icehouse" | 15:32 |
| n0ano | threads in -dev can easily get lost in the noise | 15:32 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, you sure, its | 15:32 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: that's an April joke :) | 15:32 |
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| n0ano | mspreitz, you sure, it says Juno in my browser | 15:32 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1 | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | ah, it's my browser, inheriting something from before | 15:33 |
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| n0ano | mspreitz, reload is your friend (I get hit with that all the time) | 15:33 |
| bauzas | got the email | 15:33 |
| bauzas | lemme give you the link | 15:33 |
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| mspreitz | nvm | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | It's Firefox's bookmarking code | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | don't waste meeting time on this | 15:34 |
| n0ano | so, the 4 we have outstanding look good to me but if there are others people want to propose they should do it soon | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031384.html | 15:34 |
| bauzas | ETA April 10th | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | the listing page has way more than 4 for nova | 15:35 |
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| n0ano | mspreitz, well yeah, I'm only concerned about scheduler/gantt | 15:35 |
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| bauzas | for submitting cross-project and "other projects" proposals | 15:35 |
| n0ano | generic nova will have `lots` of proposals | 15:35 |
| bauzas | Ctrl+F is worth it | 15:36 |
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| n0ano | I just wanted to raise the issue of Atlanta sessions so that's enough for today | 15:37 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:37 |
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| n0ano | anything else anyone wants to raise today? | 15:37 |
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| n0ano | hearing crickets so I'll thank everyone and we'll talk again next week | 15:38 |
| * bauzas hearing | 15:38 | |
| n0ano | tnx all | 15:38 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sure thanks | 15:38 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 15:39:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 16:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: hi tavi | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: we'll wait for alex | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: hi luis | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | I don't have much to cover today | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | we'll wait a couple more minutes to see if others join | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | so looks like others are still tied up | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | I | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | I'm going to end the meeting and not take any more time | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: let's touch base re: puppet modules when you get a chance | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:07 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:07 |
| openstack | boris-42: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders marcoemorais ping | 17:07 |
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| hughsaunders | hey | 17:08 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: hey | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais hughsaunders let's wait a bit of others=) | 17:10 |
| hughsaunders | ok :-) i thought i'd missed meeting, but summertime has moved it an hour later :-) | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders hehe=) | 17:14 |
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| eyerediskin | boris-42: pong | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ marcoemorais could you share your emails | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ marcoemorais I would like to share google doc | 17:17 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: mmorais@yahoo-inc.com | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally future road map | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ marcoemorais eyerediskin mwagner_zzz hughsaunders okay let's start | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | Today we have actually only one topic but it's quite a big | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAgyueiQ__tZ_MG5oOxe4q49tyPQcm-Y1469lmeERq8/edit?usp=sharing | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | Rally future road map | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | So High level things that I would like to say are | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | 1) Better cover requirements in benchmarking of other projects (e.g. Marconi and MagnetoDB) that would like to generate 10k-100k requests per sec | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | ^ It will require a lot of work on Runners | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | 2) Better cover requirements of neutron where we need actually to buid specifc environment before benchmarking (benchmark-context) | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | 3) Better cover requirements of PaaS (murano, solum, sahara) where we actually are interested not only in measruing API stuff | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | but actually how it works at all | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | Start working on Operators stuff | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | HealthChecks, Better Verification, RestAPI, Better Reporst, Historical data and so on | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | Finish profiling=) | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | And Finially have gates that tests everything=) | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | so that's all=) | 17:26 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: done | 17:26 |
| hughsaunders | haha | 17:26 |
| harlowja | +2 | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | PROFITT! | 17:26 |
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| mwagner_ | boris-42, it would be to be able to quantify performance of thing like #2, in other words, measuring how long it takes to build out the neutron network | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ so actually pinguinRaider will try to start work on measuring time in context | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ during GSoC 2014 (it's part of his task) | 17:28 |
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| mwagner_ | making stuff run fast in a guest is easy, getting the env setup in a performant manner is hard | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ yep yep | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ this will be a hard work on our context classes | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ like we done with "users" context to create users & tenants in parallle | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ but seems like it could be imporved more | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ harlowja hughsaunders marcoemorais so we shoud start working on that big document | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAgyueiQ__tZ_MG5oOxe4q49tyPQcm-Y1469lmeERq8/edit?usp=sharing | 17:31 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42 whats the plan for selectively applying context? add decorator for required contexts, then supply args in config? | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | harlowja yep | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders actually it will be a bit more magic=) | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders e.g. if there is nothing in "context" config it will put {} | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders and try to validate {} | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders if it pass like in case of key pair & sec group | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders then you don't need to specify them in conf everytime | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | so does anybody want to discuss anything about RoadMap?) | 17:37 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: what abt the distributed runner? are we going to build on top of what python offers in multiprocess | 17:37 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: or are we going to use a task queue like celery or ...? | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais query | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais by distributed I mean a lot of agents | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais that can produce load from different host | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais cause it's really hard to produce enough big load from one node | 17:38 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: yes, exactly | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so we should think how to make it possible with keeping simple way to specify load (e.g. we have now) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais probably just using multiply current scenario runners from different host without any change=) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais but there is a problem (with collecting big amount of data) and storing it | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais as well part with deploying runners | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais I think eyerediskin may help us with this part ^ | 17:40 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: I was wondering whether the rally-as-service part would play a role here | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais rally-as-a-service is different thing=) | 17:41 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: if we have a rally service api, then we can use rpc interface to distribute the load generation | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais I don't think that it is a good idea | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais cause I would like to keep the almost same functionality via CLI and aaS | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so we should make runners more separated from project | 17:42 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: another way is the task queue, but for that we need to have rally daemon or something on each client to consume the tasks | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais yep ^ that I like | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais we can reuse serverproviders | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais and instead of deploying openstack run rally agents | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais that have simple rpc/http api to accept context and produce some load | 17:43 |
| harlowja | marcoemorais i wouldn't touch celery :-P | 17:44 |
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| harlowja | use taskflow ;) | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja yep seems like a good place for taskflow | 17:44 |
| harlowja | def | 17:45 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 harlowja ok we will use taskflow | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so are you interested in this topic?) | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | harlowja using tasfklow ^ better result collector & better result strong | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | storing* | 17:46 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: yes I would like to work on this, we can make use of it right away | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais ^ | 17:46 |
| harlowja | boris-42 another suggestion, rate-limting load creation | 17:46 |
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| harlowja | without some kind of rate-limiting its gonna be hard to control debugging, verifying... | 17:46 |
| malini | & while you are still at task queues, remember marconi ;) | 17:46 |
| harlowja | macaroni | 17:46 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | maraconi | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | oh | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | macaroni | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | marconi | 17:47 |
| harlowja | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Macaroni_closeup.jpg | 17:47 |
| harlowja | marcoemorais(oni) | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | harlowja marcoroni?) | 17:48 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:48 |
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| mwagner_ | also synchronization would be key, ability to make all the agents fire at once | 17:48 |
| marcoemorais | harlowja boris-42 following up on harlowja idea, what do you think about being able to express the load to put on the cloud in terms of RPS to keystone | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais +1 | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais instead of period?) | 17:49 |
| mwagner_ | so some scheduling , at 13:00 start 50 agents doing X | 17:49 |
| harlowja | marcoemorais hopefully not just to keystone right? | 17:49 |
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| harlowja | mwagner_ i think its more than just start 50 agents doing X, its about controlling how much traffic they produce also | 17:49 |
| marcoemorais | harlowja: yes, not just keystone — I mistakenly refer to keystone as the uber api | 17:49 |
| harlowja | k | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais hmm | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais why not just use current runners | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais and first request is init | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais to send context objects | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais second is multicast | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais fire! | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais burn openstack=) | 17:50 |
| harlowja | when pushing the boundaries of the system it will be better to have some rate control though right :-P | 17:51 |
| harlowja | less burn, lol | 17:51 |
| mwagner_ | harlowja, agreed on the amount of activity, but there are cases when you want them synchronized | 17:51 |
| harlowja | mwagner_ ah, sure | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ I am not sure that we need so precise syncronization | 17:51 |
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| eyerediskin | meeting is going to end, but i have a question to all: what do you think about not using google docs, and using wiki instead? | 17:51 |
| marcoemorais | mwagner_: if you require synchronization, why wouldn't you just code that as part of your scenario? | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ especially when we will run for few hours benchmark | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ it doesn't matter if some runner will start not exactly in the same second | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ or I am not right?) | 17:52 |
| msdubov | eyerediskin, Wiki doesn't provide commenting facilities... | 17:52 |
| msdubov | eyerediskin, That's of huge importance | 17:53 |
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| msdubov | eyerediskin, Why do you dislike gdocs? | 17:53 |
| marcoemorais | mwagner_: in other words, if you want to test load of operation a1 and a2 in parallel, then you write a scenario which forks and synchronizes to call a1 and a2 in parallel? | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | eyerediskin I dislike that idea=0 | 17:53 |
| mwagner_ | boris-42, depends on the tests, if there are times where you want to send X requests at the same time | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ so let's write in google doc | 17:54 |
| mwagner_ | marcoemorais, boris-42 also thinking of the ability to schedule, every Sat at 15:00 kick of this set of tests | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ idead and fantasies=) | 17:54 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, Btw I think we also shouldn't require too much complicated coding in scenarios | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ it's more operator stuff | 17:54 |
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| msdubov | marcoemorais, They should be as simple to write as possible | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ it shouldn't be inside benchmark engine | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | mwagner_ it should be on top of Rally | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ it's health performance check part | 17:55 |
| mwagner_ | boris-42, my fantasies should *not* be in a google doc ;) | 17:55 |
| hughsaunders | haha | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ ^_^ | 17:55 |
| hughsaunders | every week = rally api client + cron ? | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders it will be inside Rally aaS | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders support of periodic task | 17:56 |
| eyerediskin | btw https://review.openstack.org/84394 | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders e.g. operator creates "task config" & specify when to run it | 17:57 |
| eyerediskin | so we have rally-install job | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | eyerediskin ^ nice nice! | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ so okay write your ideas lol=) | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais as well | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | mwagner_ marcoemorais so we will discuss how to cover everybody's usecases=) | 17:58 |
| hughsaunders | eyerediskin: cool | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | okay guys future discussion in Rally chat room | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | =) | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 17:59:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-01-17.07.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-01-17.07.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-01-17.07.log.html | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76: ping | 17:59 |
| dstanek | hi | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: hey | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Its that time again | 17:59 |
| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 18:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #topic Reminder: don't be a fool | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #topic Reminder: Design summit session proposals open until April 20th | 18:01 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | we should delete v2 as april fool's joke | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | lol | 18:01 |
| ayoung | Don't we have like 3000 sessions submitted for Keystone? | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, heh | 18:02 |
| dolphm | there was also an announcement on the -dev that cross-project sessions will have an earlier deadline than the rest of the summit proposals, so get those in super early | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm afraid to look | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, there are a bunch | 18:02 |
| gyee | I have more to add | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | we're also one session slot short this year versus the last few years (8 vs 9) | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, we'll end up making buckets and collecting up topics into them, then\ | 18:03 |
| dolphm | ayoung: of course | 18:03 |
| dolphm | anyway, the fun part: | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #topic Announcement: icehouse-rc1 now available! | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | gyee, instead of adding, lets pick the set of buckets and figure out what goes where | 18:04 |
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| * dolphm "Like during the Havana cycle, Keystone is again the first project to publish a release candidate in preparation for the Icehouse release! Congratulations to the Keystone development team for reaching that milestone first." -ttx | 18:04 | |
| gyee | ayoung, absolutely | 18:04 |
| topol | congrats | 18:04 |
| bknudson | how do we get fixes into icehouse now? | 18:04 |
| dstanek | nice | 18:04 |
| bknudson | use the milestone-proposed branch? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so now we have a milestone-proposed branch | 18:04 |
| ayoung | We are at 22 submissions | 18:04 |
| dolphm | fixes need to land in master first, and milestone-proposed is treated as a stable/ branch | 18:04 |
| gyee | dolphm, ayoung, so you guys going to come up with the bucket list? | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | and then well cut another rc? | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson,dolphm, do we have any outstanding rc2 potentials? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | Heh | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | if needed? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | currently we only have one patchset that i believe needs to get into milestone-proposed, and warrants an rc2 | 18:05 |
| ayoung | gyee, I can make a first pass, sure | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84457/ | 18:05 |
| dolphm | the +0, -28607 there is not an april fools joke :) | 18:05 |
| bknudson | we couldn't even get a clean backport after a week | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sure. | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, the automated job in master made it messy, but thankfully it's just a script to recreate the patch | 18:06 |
| bknudson | is there another patch to add the xlations back? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: this only removes dupes | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: so, that's not necessary | 18:06 |
| topol | that patchset so feels like an april fools joke. really? really? | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: rather, just read the script :P https://gist.github.com/dolph/9915293 | 18:07 |
| dolphm | i should add a comment there as to where it came from -- it was posted as a comment in another bug report | 18:07 |
| bknudson | it would be nice if we just had the files we wanted... don't they generate the po files? just check those in to replace the existing | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, i'm not sure what the better long term answer is, but there's clearly a problem we'll need to solve moving forward | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: what bug was it posted in? | 18:08 |
| dolphm | and i'm guessing it's *not* "run this script to fix things periodically" | 18:08 |
| bknudson | there must be a set of "master" files somewhere | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1298645/comments/2 | 18:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1298645 in ironic "translated .po files do not contain any translation text" [High,Fix committed] | 18:09 |
| bknudson | do we want the milestone-proposed files to match the files currently in master ? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | bknudson: master is already ahead | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: so, definitely not | 18:10 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i.e. new strings, etc, have landed in master since milestone-proposed was cut | 18:10 |
| bknudson | they're already translating juno? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, no just new / changed string sets | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, by default the translation is the same as the original string. | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | horizon seems to be the only project where the translation folks have put in a significant amount of effort | 18:12 |
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| bknudson | ok, I'll see if I can run the script and regenerate and compare with master. | 18:12 |
| dolphm | the rest is mostly getting i18n infrastructure in place | 18:12 |
| dolphm | i've been keeping an eye on launchpad, but if anyone is aware of any issues in milestone-proposed that may warrant an RC2 - please file them / bring them to my attention ASAP | 18:13 |
| ayoung | Here is a proposal for Buckets: Backends, Hierarchy, HTTP, IdP, Performance, Tokens. Heh, that is only 6 | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, tokens, i think you need to mention tokens again, because tokens. | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ;) | 18:14 |
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| gyee | ayoung, Client & Middleware? | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I'm not certain that translations belong anywhere but Horizon. There is a pretty strong argument that it is easier to Google for the issue if iti is in only one language than all 200 | 18:14 |
| ayoung | gyee, client and middleware would be a good additional bucket | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: take it to the mailing list :) | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm, ++ | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd support that personally | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's a couple existing threads on the topic | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, though responses from the API might want to be translated | 18:15 |
| gyee | what translation, just read the fantastical code! | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, e.g. messages (not errors) | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | if any. | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | *shrug*. i like the idea of not translating for ease of error handlings | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | erm, error searching | 18:15 |
| ayoung | funny how translations could actually make a problem harder to identify instead of easier | 18:16 |
| bknudson | our lack of logging makes it hard to figure out what a problem is. | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 18:17 |
| bknudson | one of my plans is to try some things and see if I can figure out the problem from the logs | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | better logging would help. | 18:17 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:17 |
| ayoung | stevemar2, is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/71 server or client side plugins? | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, somethine worth chatting about at the summit (informal probably) | 18:17 |
| bknudson | I'll just yell it out in the developer lounge. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ :) | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is unless you have something together before then. | 18:18 |
| dolphm | #topic Icehouse release notes | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | so, as soon as we cut RC1 i ran off and got us started on some release notes... | 18:19 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29 | 18:20 |
| dolphm | please review, amend & edit as necessary if i missed anything worthy of advertising to deployers, etc | 18:20 |
| topol | I dont think I have ever heard bknudson yell... | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | topol, maybe he yells all the time, just not around you. | 18:21 |
| dolphm | i'm most concerned about changes in keystone.conf that i didn't capture as upgrade notes | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | and any tricky / heavy migrations we produced | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think the only complex migration is the grant table one | 18:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ooh, that's a good one to note | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | config file changes, i think mostly it was additions for new features. | 18:23 |
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| dstanek | or removal of explicity set options and defaulting to the config default...did that change any defaults? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | any changes of default values, beyond the default token duration? | 18:24 |
| bknudson | there might have been some deprecations for the move to oslo-incubator db | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, those would be good to capture | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh the mutable domain_id option | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that is worth capturing. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ooh, non-ideal defaults is a good theme | 18:25 |
| dolphm | things we want to see changed in juno | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | API validation framework? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, mutable domain_id is false by default we opted (iirc) to say "this is security related" so if osmeone relies on that they need to re-enable it (please, let no one rely on that) | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | it is one of the few cases i think we ran into a "we're going to break this" decisions | 18:26 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ on non-optimal defaults | 18:27 |
| dolphm | added a couple TODO's to the release notes based on the above ^ | 18:27 |
| dstanek | i'd love to get real Python 3 support completed in Juno | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ++ | 18:28 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ++ | 18:29 |
| bknudson | dstanek: apparently they're going to get it done a pycon | 18:29 |
| bknudson | at pycon | 18:29 |
| dstanek | bknudson: what project? | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: there is more than just eventlet that is broken with py3 | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: get'r* done | 18:29 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: lots :-( | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | i couldn't make the oslo-incubator db stuff work with py3 | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | sqla-migrate is also broken | 18:30 |
| dstanek | lots of olso won't run on 3 | 18:30 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i think the next release of sqlalchemy-migrate addresses that | 18:30 |
| ayoung | Ouch | 18:30 |
| dstanek | i just fixed gettextutils this mornin | 18:30 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: they held it back since we were shipping icehouse, IIRC | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'm looking at alembic again since i;m going to do the migration collapse here shortly | 18:30 |
| ayoung | What was the comment about everyone shipping non-backwards cmpat releases of Python libraries? | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea, i switched kite from sqla-m to alembic for py3 - didn't end up mattering because of the oslodb stuff | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah. | 18:31 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: sort of an expected surprise, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1288427 | 18:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1288427 in neutron "Unsequenced alembic migration files block the gate." [Critical,Fix released] | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | there is no common oslo.db librray yet is there? | 18:31 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: no | 18:31 |
| bknudson | I think the oslo.db is next on the list for oslo library | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yep, was going to aim for 100% ordered, as much as they "want" to use unordered magic | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ? | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that bug specifically was a concern i wanted to avoid. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, looking for the origianal quote, but the punchline was "pycon" | 18:32 |
| ayoung | "How I know it's the week before pycon: everyone is releasing non backwards compatible python library releases breaking OpenStack" Sean Dague | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 18:33 |
| dims_ | lol | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, OpenStack Gate: The Python Library Regression Test | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | we should freeze our deps | 18:34 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3 | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, you mean cap all of them? | 18:34 |
| dstanek | i'm going to update that today so that it's current | 18:34 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: yes, to protect ourselves | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think that poses a lot of operational headaches. | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, at one point we capped a lot, but then projects got out of sync and we installed conflicting versions | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's an issue with the way pip/pypi works (not unsolvable) | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: it would cause havoc on the distros | 18:35 |
| bknudson | just the week before pycon | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, and what jamielennox said | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | LOL | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | dstanek: that page isn't as reassuring as i would have liked - i thought we were a bit closer than that | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: i understand the servers but oslo-incubator should gate on py3 | 18:37 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: they likely need to gate before we can :( | 18:37 |
| bknudson | if we're going to pull in changes from oslo-incubator to keystoneclient... | 18:38 |
| bknudson | they'll need to work on py3 | 18:38 |
| dstanek | dolphm: i'm going to port the olso stuff we currently use to push them in the right direction | 18:38 |
| dolphm | dstanek: awesome! | 18:38 |
| dolphm | #topic Document V3 features (vs V2) | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: o/ | 18:39 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: not just that - i understand how hard it is to convert existing projects, but i was having to start kite again in a new repo so wanted to have it gated on py3 from the start and it just can't | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | So I was chatting with the nova folks and the comment that there was no "list" of what V3 provides over V2 in keystone's api was brought uop | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | related: i should also throw out there that, if you missed it, we reverted the deprecation on v2 last week - it's "stable" in milestone-proposed, as is v3 | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | short of the "go look at the identity-api repo" | 18:39 |
| bknudson | I think the biggest thing projects are running into with v3 is the catalog format change in the token | 18:39 |
| bknudson | they have their own ServiceCatalog class that doesn't support the v3 catalog | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: which they shouldn't be parsing manually anyway | 18:40 |
| dolphm | bknudson: auth_token and the client in general should protect everyone from that change :( | 18:40 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: right | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | There should be a list of features / differences / reasons to move targeted at projects etc that want to move (this was a request from jogo, and i feel totally reasonable) | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: though we have to pass X_SERVICE_CATALOG as a string - which does make them try it | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and if not, then they should use the python-keystoneclient catalog API | 18:40 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: and a different string with v2 vs v3 -- we need to provide an option to give them the same string either way | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: interesting - but i'm not sure if that's a benefit to just making them parse correctly | 18:41 |
| gyee | jamielennox, how about passing the ServiceCatalog object in the request environ | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | there is no great advantage of v3 catalog over v2 | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, can you.. do that cleanly? | 18:42 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: it's worse, IMO | 18:42 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, sure | 18:42 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: aparently its not allowed, things coming out of middleware shouldn't be python specific | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, ok (I haven't looked at that extensively lately) | 18:42 |
| bknudson | alternatively, we could provide both v2 and v3 catalog in the token response | 18:42 |
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| jamielennox | however the context middleware and others do it i'm suer | 18:42 |
| gyee | jamielennox, says who? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: no, it's big enough | 18:42 |
| bknudson | would need compression for that. | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is bad, the token is massive as is. | 18:42 |
| gyee | that's how Swift passing their logger object | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, even w/ compression i think it's ugly. | 18:42 |
| dolphm | you can pass whatever you want through the wsgi environment, auth_token uses strings for historical / backwards compatibility | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, though it might be the "real" solution | 18:43 |
| dolphm | historical reasons* | 18:43 |
| bknudson | I think there are already changes to get the other clients using keystoneclient ServiceCatalog... | 18:43 |
| bknudson | there was someone here working on it. | 18:43 |
| gyee | dolphm, right, lets make history by passing service catalog object :) | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: right i've had a go | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we got cinder there | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, :) | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: the main problem is volume_service_name in a few places | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | i've added service_name to keystoneclient (not sure if that's merged yet) | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure if i need to add some sort of selection to others | 18:44 |
| dolphm | gyee: you could just pass a keystoneclient session and call it a day | 18:44 |
| gyee | dolphm, ++ | 18:45 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: ++ that's the hope | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | no-one should ever need to manage there own service catalog | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox ++++++++ | 18:45 |
| bknudson | other projects seem to be somewhat interested in domains. | 18:45 |
| bknudson | not sure if that's a good thing | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | this is the volume_service_name issue: https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient/blob/master/cinderclient/service_catalog.py#L59-L71 | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure yet if we can work around it in keystoneclient.service_catalog | 18:46 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:46 |
| bknudson | I don't know that we'll have much to say to other projects to use V3 over V2... | 18:47 |
| bknudson | but I think our users will prefer V3 over V2. | 18:48 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: that's a mess | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, if we want to convince them to move to V3, we probably need to sell it. | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: yep | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, even if the selling is "new auth everyone wants in v3, use it" | 18:48 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, we'll need to put up the code for them | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | and v2 is frozen and will receive new features. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | erm wont | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i don't think it's to the advantage of the projects, it's to the advantage of deployers | 18:48 |
| bknudson | I think the best way to sell it is if they don't have to make any changes to use it. | 18:48 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ but there are some cases where they will need some changes. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i would hope auth_token would just "do it" for them | 18:49 |
| dolphm | bknudson: or to use it, they delete a lot of code and replace it with a few lines using keystoneclient :) | 18:49 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:49 |
| bknudson | dolphm: yes, they should be happy to have to maintain less code. | 18:49 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: it's damn near ready... three outstanding issues i know of | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, cool. | 18:49 |
| gyee | yeah, keystoneclient is a hell lot easier to use now | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | I need to circle back around on the compressed tokens change | 18:49 |
| gyee | thanks to jamielennox | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | in either case if there is a change that is needed (even if we contribute the code) we need to still say "hey guys, merge this" | 18:50 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: incompatible service catalog when switching to v3, we still require v2 to authenticate auth_token itself, and i don't think we're using v3/OS-SIMPLECERT/ atm (?) -- then it's just a matter of reversing the default from v2 to v3 | 18:50 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: to make other projects use client you mean? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: target juno-m1 for that | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: yea - i plan to go and do a lot of that | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: if not before the summit | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, for the server. But needs to be in client before that | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: the v2 call in auth_token will be fixed by the plugins from CONF stuff | 18:51 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ping me throughout that process as well | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, as long as we have a clear reason why they should support V3, that is an easier sell | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, as long as we have the clear message, i think we're on the right track. | 18:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i hopefully only have a few more days of icehouse stuff to worry about, and i can help you get that landed on both sides | 18:52 |
| gyee | jamielennox, you can keep me in the loop as well, I am doing the same thing | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | and that is what is being looked for. why should they move the api even if we supply the code | 18:52 |
| ayoung | cool | 18:52 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: if you can get a doc started, i'd be happy to contribute to it as i think of things | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sounds good. I'll get a wiki page up | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg to setup wiki for reasons/features of V3 keystone api | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, 7 mins | 18:53 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i was also wondering why it needed to be discrete from the how-we-get-to-v3 bp? | 18:53 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: it seems like this would just be the itnro | 18:54 |
| dolphm | Why v3 & How v3 | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sure, but if we're looking for a concise list of differences, it makes sense to have it separate | 18:54 |
| ayoung | The biggest "why" is domains | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | e.g. "why this, and here is what it provides" | 18:54 |
| gyee | ayoung, I can help write that part if you want | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | vs the "you should do this because users like it" | 18:55 |
| ayoung | as far as how...that is the script stuff that we've been adding to the recent reviews | 18:55 |
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| bknudson | if we have hierarchical projects in v3 then that will affect other projects | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, but yes, it's all part of the same documentation | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82687/ and so on | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, though the v3 specific changes might also be useful for deployers in absence of the "how to move to v3 as a openstack project" | 18:55 |
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| gyee | bknudson, it will be a good discussion in the upcoming summit | 18:56 |
| ayoung | we need to get a handle on the hierarchical projects...the IDs should not be what determines the hierarchy... | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: regions have the same problem | 18:56 |
| ayoung | I can't keep up with the discussion or the sample code flying around. | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | (and IMO more quickly relevant) | 18:57 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah, but regions are already implmented in a somewhat sane way, no? | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: from client side - how am i supposed to know what region belongs to another? | 18:57 |
| dolphm | regions also don't have an immediately profound effect on every other project | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | you mean we need an API to select subregions? | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: specifically from a service catalog if you ask for a region and a sub-region of that is present how am i supposed to know that that one is usable? | 18:58 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's basically GET /v3/regions | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, agreed, but a good impl that we can say "see this is how hierarchy should be done" would help the project discussion | 18:58 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: /v3/regions reflects the hierarchy | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i can't go querying /v3/regions every time i want to query a catalog | 18:59 |
| topol | so a recommendation, it would be great to focus on one stakeholder project to try out v3 and deal with the kinks, bugs, etc and then use that as a reference success story for the other projects | 18:59 |
| ayoung | which means Nova | 18:59 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: there's just no correlation between /regions and regions in the service catalog yet ;) | 18:59 |
| gyee | topol, ++ | 18:59 |
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| dolphm | topol: ++ | 18:59 |
| dolphm | time! | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: take US > US-EAST, if US-EAST is present in a service catalog and someone asks for something in the US region - how do it know? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | times up | 19:00 |
| dolphm | back to #openstack-keystone :) | 19:00 |
| topol | so for that one project we go all hands on deck and hold their hands to make is successful | 19:00 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 19:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-01-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-01-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-01-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | anyone around for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:00 |
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| tchaypo | I'm here to lurk | 19:01 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: yes, but a little wild weather so may drop out | 19:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | jhesketh: here too, it's raining in san francisco! ;) | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | tchaypo: lurking encouraged | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| aburaschi | hi | 19:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh, and here too - snow and rain today - April 1, so... | 19:02 |
| jeblair | mordred, clarkb, fungi, AaronGr: ping | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 19:02:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| fungi | so it is! | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| rockyg | Lurking, too :-) | 19:02 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:02 |
| anteaya | more new faces/nicks | 19:02 |
| jeblair | agenda ^ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-25-19.01.html | 19:03 |
| jeblair | last meeting ^ | 19:03 |
| anteaya | looks like it is all jeblair on the agenda | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| * anteaya sits back | 19:03 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| jeblair | jeblair cname puppetboard.o.o and delete puppet-dashboard.o.o server and dns | 19:03 |
| jeblair | i half did that ^ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | the cname exists in dns now | 19:03 |
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| aburaschi | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link http://puppetboard.openstack.org/ | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | i haven't deleted the old server yet though | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #action delete puppet-dashboard.o.o server and dns | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair delete puppet-dashboard.o.o server and dns | 19:04 |
| jeblair | jeblair propose organizational cleanup repo renames to infra and then tc lists | 19:04 |
| jeblair | i also half-did that ^ | 19:04 |
| anteaya | I see puppetdb.o.o still works | 19:04 |
| jeblair | in that i proposed it to the infra list, where we made some changes | 19:04 |
| anteaya | keep that? | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: yes it has to, the nodes are configured to report there | 19:05 |
| * anteaya nods | 19:05 | |
| jeblair | so i still need to send a revised version to the tc | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send revised repo rename list to tc | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Dealing with puppet changes (jeblair) | 19:06 |
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| nibalizer | o/ im here! | 19:06 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | okay. so we have puppetboard now, which means that theoretically we can land puppet changes and if they break stuff, it's not solely up to infra-root to deal with the carnage | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | but i think yesterday we saw that we might need a bit more process around making that actually happen | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | hooray | 19:07 |
| jeblair | since we broke puppet for most of the day, and the infra-root folks fixed it by reverting most of the changes | 19:07 |
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| fungi | part of the problem is that puppet manifests can be broken in certain ways which prevent them from being served and subsequently prevent reports from going into puppetdb | 19:08 |
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| * mordred thinks that's a bug in puppet, btw | 19:08 | |
| clarkb | I think this is a particular special case, and involves changes to the master | 19:08 |
| fungi | so the only outward signs we'd have would be of things not happening like we expect, and eventually nodes showing up as stale in puppetboard (after a day or more) | 19:08 |
| mordred | puppet not being able to compile something seems like a thing you'd want reported :) | 19:08 |
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| mordred | it seems like we may want to have someone agree to watch puppetboard for success when we land puppet changes | 19:09 |
| mordred | that person doesn't have to be infra-core per se of course | 19:09 |
| fungi | perhaps we should tune down the 24-hour limit before nodes show up as stale | 19:09 |
| fungi | to help mitigate this too | 19:10 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:10 |
| mordred | and there is no way to increase the number of reports we keep, right? | 19:10 |
| fungi | but i do agree that having someone watch puppetboard for a report which shows the intended change got applied successfully would be a huge help | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | mordred: not yet; apparently that's being worked on | 19:10 |
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| mordred | epecially for things where it's clear that we want to watch it - such as the nibalizer/AaronGr hiera refactors | 19:11 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: do you know if we can lower the 'stale' timeout as above ^ ? | 19:11 |
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| fungi | basically the way i spotted it yesterday was that after i approved something which puppet should have updated and went to puppetboard to see when i should expect it to be working, i saw that the server in question hadn't reported for 2 hours | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | mordred: so maybe our process for +A major puppet changes is that we make sure someone is on-deck and watching? | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: the 'unresponsive' you mean? | 19:12 |
| fungi | took me a few minutes to realize that the timestamps on the latest reports were waaay too old to be sane | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | thats a configuration options | 19:12 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: yes | 19:12 |
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| nibalizer | easy to change | 19:12 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:12 |
| fungi | excellent! | 19:12 |
| jeblair | we should be able to set that to, what, 30 mins and be okay? | 19:12 |
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| fungi | that would mean three missed reports in a row, so sounds fine to me | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | ++ | 19:13 |
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| nibalizer | I can push that change up today | 19:13 |
| fungi | nibalizer: thanks a ton | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | no prob | 19:13 |
| jeblair | so how about when a change hase 2 +2 votes, we leave a comment saying "ping an infra-core person in #openstack-infra when you are ready to monitor puppetboard for any adverse effects from this change" ? | 19:13 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | also, i would like a non-puppet task | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | and we wait for the driver of that change to ping us, so they drive the scheduling | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | since i love the puppets, but thats not havin me branch out much | 19:14 |
| fungi | nibalizer: we have plenty of those to choose from | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: sounds good | 19:14 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: where is the task list? and can you pick one thats good to 'warm up' on? | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 19:14 |
| fungi | nibalizer: ^ | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | oh perfect | 19:15 |
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| fungi | some hang lower than others, but there's plenty to pick from | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | #agreed infra-core will ask authors of major puppet changes to "ping an infra-core person in #openstack-infra when you are ready to monitor puppetboard for any adverse effects from this change" before approving | 19:15 |
| fungi | jeblair: your plan sounds perfect to me | 19:15 |
| clarkb | yup sounds good | 19:15 |
| jhesketh | +1 | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #action nibalizer propose change to lower puppetboard 'unresponsive' timeout to 30 mins | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | cool; as you can tell from my wild swath of approvals, i'm very excited about getting these changes in. :) i hope this makes it smoother. | 19:17 |
| jeblair | anything else on the topic? | 19:18 |
| fungi | can't make an omelette without breakign a few chickens | 19:18 |
| jeblair | speaking of sacrificing poultry... | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #topic Using storyboard (jeblair) | 19:18 |
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| fungi | YES | 19:18 |
| jeblair | storyboard is getting very close to the criteria where i think we can use it... | 19:18 |
| fungi | (is all i have to say to that) | 19:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | was afk, sorry, /me agreed re "[23:15:39] <jeblair> #agreed infra-core will ask... " | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | cool | 19:19 |
| jeblair | in case you missed it, that criteria, in my mind, solely consists of "it should be able to like track bugs and stuff". | 19:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: are we going to bother with a migration of infra bugs? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: or just start using it naturally and let things die in launchpad | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I assume we will need a migration for the other projects though | 19:19 |
| mordred | I believe we will definitely need a migration for other projects | 19:19 |
| jeblair | that's more or less what i had in mind for this topic -- how, exactly, would we like to start using it. | 19:20 |
| anteaya | are we have a soft opening? | 19:20 |
| fungi | i'm in favor of the attrition model there, but it could be painful for some users | 19:20 |
| anteaya | like having some people/projects using it? | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: this should only extend to -infra projects; it's no where near ready for non-infra projects i think | 19:20 |
| fungi | we could move, say, nodepool bugs to storyboard | 19:20 |
| fungi | (start small) | 19:20 |
| * anteaya nods | 19:21 | |
| fungi | since nodepool isn't broken out from openstack-ci on lp yet | 19:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: good point; start with nodepool, then maybe zuul.... | 19:21 |
| clarkb | it may be good to guinea pig a migration with infra though | 19:21 |
| anteaya | how many people work with nodepool bugs? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | so reserve some subset of bugs for that maybe? | 19:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably, we should move more "active" bugs to storyboard | 19:21 |
| fungi | clarkb: zuul would be something we could potentially migrate, since it's an lp project in its own right now | 19:21 |
| fungi | (i think) | 19:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like gate bugs? | 19:22 |
| wenlock | not that i know much about story board, but what happens to a project that uses it for openid authentication, sense launchpad provides that... does it continue to go there? | 19:22 |
| mordred | clarkb: I thnk that' a good idea - move infra when we have a migration script | 19:22 |
| mordred | wenlock: at the moment we use launchpad for openid with storyboard | 19:22 |
| jeblair | mordred: storyboard has _all_ projects defined in it; i have a little bit of a concern with that | 19:22 |
| jeblair | mordred: in that i'm not sure how we best convey to people where bugs should be filed | 19:22 |
| wenlock | mordred, ahh cool | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: i think that gate bugs need to stay in storyboard until openstack itself moves | 19:23 |
| mordred | jeblair: we could disable the projects list creation and wipe the db... and/or make a second projects.yaml for storyboard for now | 19:23 |
| jeblair | because they are processed by e-r | 19:23 |
| fungi | wenlock: though i gather openstackid is coming along... | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/openstackid/tree/ | 19:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, doesyou mean in launchpad ? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | SergeyLukjanov: yes, sorry, should stay in launchpad | 19:23 |
| clarkb | jeblair: agreed | 19:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, got it, it's correct re e-r | 19:23 |
| jeblair | so i think even if we move "all" of infra to storyboard, we should keep using openstack-ci on launchpad for gate bugs to facilitate e-r | 19:24 |
| fungi | that makes sense | 19:24 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think that might be a good idea -- only listing projects in storyboard that use storyboard will help people keep track | 19:24 |
| jeblair | also, if we migrate projects (eg zuul, gear), i think we can close their bug trackers on lp | 19:25 |
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| mordred | jeblair: agree. I think that ultimately I Want one projects.yaml - but for now, having two to track the migration makes sense | 19:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: you want me to take that on? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | mordred: that would be swell | 19:25 |
| mordred | also - krotscheck ... how important are your current storyboard bugs in storyboard? | 19:25 |
| fungi | a flag in projects.yaml perhaps, to define whether the project should be in storyboard (or should have a "not ready yet" placeholder on its stories or something)? | 19:25 |
| jhesketh | are we going to require stackforge projects to switch? | 19:25 |
| fungi | oh, you said that | 19:25 |
| rockyg | When you close project on LP, need a message to redirect to Storyboard. | 19:26 |
| mordred | krotscheck: as in - if we wipe stuff from teh current db in anticipation of a move of infra things in ... | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #action mordred make an abbreviated projects.yaml with only projects using storyboard as their primary tracker | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: I don't think we have ever forced a bug tracker on stackforge projects | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | right, so getting down to one projects file may be tricky | 19:26 |
| fungi | rockyg: yeah, worst case when we disable bugs on a project in lp we can update its main overview with a link to storyboard | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: however, supporting both launchpad and storyboard may be a pain so we might have to | 19:26 |
| mordred | krotscheck: do we need to be careful to not bork your datas? or can we just drop and re-create the db? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | mordred: what do we need to delete? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: we can just delete all projects that != storyboard, right? | 19:27 |
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| mordred | jeblair: the existing 250 projects -and I thin kthere are some fake stories in there | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: sure | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: yeah - good point- it's not that hard | 19:28 |
| mordred | :) | 19:28 |
| jhesketh | in terms of supporting both launchpad and storyboard is there a plan to manage features provided by jeepyb? For example, if you have "closes-bug xyz" how do we clarify which system that is in | 19:28 |
| mordred | jhesketh: ultimately we don't | 19:28 |
| jhesketh | (currently it looks like story numbers are sequential) | 19:28 |
| jeblair | mordred: what if instead of making another projects.yaml, we just stopped using it for auto-project creation and left that as a manual superuser function for now? | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: fine by me | 19:28 |
| fungi | jhesketh: though i think it's something we will need--i just doubt anyone's started planning that bit yet | 19:29 |
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| fungi | jhesketh: for example, we could s/bug/story/ in our standard commit message headers and comment links | 19:29 |
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| mordred | if we had a "uses-storyboard" flag in projects.yaml - it would be fairly easy to do a lookup on projects.yaml to see where most things should direct themselves to | 19:29 |
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| fungi | bit of a pain for people to remember which to use though | 19:29 |
| mordred | with the exception of gerrit links | 19:30 |
| fungi | mordred: good point wrt hooks at least | 19:30 |
| * ttx lurks | 19:30 | |
| fungi | less so for links | 19:30 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:30 |
| jeblair | mordred: has anyone volunteered to make a lp -> storyboard import script? | 19:30 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I think nibalizer just did | 19:30 |
| mordred | ;) | 19:30 |
| fungi | haha | 19:30 |
| jhesketh | mordred: so if we have a 'uses-storyboard' flag we could use the one projects file and only set up storyboard for those projects? | 19:30 |
| jeblair | mordred: that's how i read that too. ;) | 19:30 |
| mordred | jhesketh: yah | 19:31 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: ++ | 19:31 |
| mordred | might be a two-birds/one-stone approach | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | yep | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | heh | 19:31 |
| mordred | only undefined thign will be gerrit comment links | 19:31 |
| nibalizer | i'm down | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | #action nibalizer write lp->storyboard migration script | 19:32 |
| fungi | zaro: i don't suppose new gerrit can make logic decisions in its text linking? | 19:32 |
| mordred | do comment links have access to project name? they don't do they? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mordred: they have access to the comment itself, which doesn't have the project name | 19:32 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: there's a bunch of launchpad api using code in jeepyb you can use for reference... | 19:32 |
| clarkb | mordred: I think we will be in a weird spot with commentlinks | 19:32 |
| mordred | because if we could get project-name into the data that the javascript has, we could make a javascript callout thing | 19:33 |
| zaro | fungi: i'm not aware that's possible. | 19:33 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: no one has ever written a python interface to storyboard, so that'll be exciting and new. :) | 19:33 |
| fungi | zaro: it was wishful thinking. thanks though | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | ooo, does it have a rest api ? | 19:33 |
| mordred | nibalizer: it does | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | well then game on! | 19:33 |
| jhesketh | mordred: it's not very neat, but as a short-term if gerrit isn't able to handle it you could send all requests to storyboard and if the project doesn't have 'uses-storyboard' flag it can redirect to launchpad | 19:33 |
| nibalizer | not that i dont LOVE xmlrpc but.. | 19:33 |
| mordred | jhesketh: ooh. that's sexy | 19:33 |
| fungi | I LIKE | 19:33 |
| fungi | or some decider proxy anyway | 19:34 |
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| fungi | doesn't have to be embedded in storyboard itswlf | 19:34 |
| mordred | nod | 19:34 |
| jeblair | could that be a bit of wsgi we stack on top of storyboard? | 19:34 |
| jhesketh | yep | 19:34 |
| mordred | just to be clear, we can probably be broken for comment links for the zuul/nodepool move... | 19:35 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, i think we can live with that | 19:35 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:35 |
| jhesketh | +1 | 19:35 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: can you add a story to the storyboard project about the wsgi/redirect idea? | 19:35 |
| fungi | it would be tolerable for a little while | 19:36 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: yep | 19:36 |
| jeblair | okay, i think we have the better part of a plan | 19:37 |
| mordred | I read that word as palm | 19:37 |
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| mordred | which is a very different sentence | 19:37 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:37 |
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| pleia2 | I have 2 things, first is that we're very close to retiring old-wiki, of the two outstanding tasks bug 1172440 has a review up that will close it and 1127411 should be pretty trivial (moving apache configs over to static.o.o) | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1172440 in openstack-ci "bug day stats should be in openstack-infra" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172440 | 19:38 |
| fungi | reminder, grizzly is dead, dead, deadski | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | bug 1127411 | 19:38 |
| jeblair | pleia2: wow, that's hard to believe that we could ever retire old-wiki | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1127411 in openstack-ci "Move the $project.openstack.org redirects off of old wiki" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1127411 | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: I know! | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | I'm excited :) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | oh right I need to review that change again | 19:39 |
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| fungi | deleted the stable/grizzly branches and removed the jobs/d-g support over the weekend | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: woot! | 19:39 |
| fungi | in case anyone asks | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: should we prep the addition of icehouse jobs yet? | 19:39 |
| mordred | fungi: woot! | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | my 2nd thing is that I've been chatting with Daisy, things are crazy this time of the cycle but she thinks Pootle will work, wasn't keen on the wiki idea, so she'll pick up Pootle evaluation once translations are done, hopefully we can chat about it again at the summit and start serious work at the beginning of the cycle | 19:40 |
| fungi | clarkb: probably not too early to get started on the config reviews for those. we might even be able to land them before the stable branches exist, not positive though | 19:40 |
| clarkb | pleia2: there is another proposed session to talk about it again | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: good | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | I hadn't paid attention to summit sessions yet | 19:40 |
| jeblair | pleia2: cool, i think having someone really driving that (as you have volunteered to do!) will really help. :) | 19:40 |
| fungi | grenade jobs would probably have to wait, though... can't upgrade from havana to icehouse sanely when there's no icehouse branch for anything | 19:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya, we should probably propose the change then WIP it for now | 19:41 |
| clarkb | if we get that far along before stable/icehouse branches are cut | 19:41 |
| fungi | pleia2: i will miss our twice-a-year discussion about moving translations though, if it actually ends up happening this time | 19:41 |
| fungi | in other news, it just dawned on me we have another gauge of how much busier we've gotten... nobody had time for april fools changes to zuul comment strings this year :( | 19:42 |
| jeblair | hah | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | no i tried | 19:43 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I will have a zuul change pushed shortly. Mostly want your thoughts on the way the tests have been hacked, to make sure I haven't gotten lost in the woods | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | i just couldn't figure it out | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | i even had two pokemon gifs lined up for pass/failure | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | so much pokemon this 1st | 19:43 |
| jeblair | oh that's what that was about ;) | 19:43 |
| fungi | pleia2: gotta catch 'em all! | 19:43 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: you may have been able to do it with a commentlink change in gerrit | 19:43 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: did greghaynes make a change for his thing? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: so 's/FAILURE/<img src...>/' | 19:44 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no | 19:44 |
| clarkb | er jesusaurus ^ | 19:44 |
| jesusaurus | :( | 19:44 |
| jhesketh | so I have an item for the open discussion, we need to configure a swift container to push openstack logs to.. this will allow jobs to individually move over to pushing to swift rather than the big log server | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | Yes, too busy :( | 19:44 |
| mordred | jhesketh: I support this | 19:44 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: jeblair: right so I think this is still the biggest unanswered question for me as far as swift goes | 19:45 |
| fungi | jhesketh: i can probably add one and get the right creds into hiera | 19:45 |
| clarkb | have we fixed the CDN is terrible problem yet? | 19:45 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: we're not using a CDN | 19:45 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: what arethe issues with cdn? | 19:45 |
| fungi | jhesketh: i did it a while ago, and can probably muddle my way through again | 19:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we don't need to use it because we'll be serving them via os-loganalyze | 19:45 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: you have to for public access unless that changed | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: iirc all public access is via CDN | 19:45 |
| jhesketh | I've patched osloganalyze to stream from swift | 19:45 |
| clarkb | oh | 19:45 |
| clarkb | huh | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ok | 19:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah i think if it's in the same account and region as static.o.o, that works right? | 19:46 |
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| jhesketh | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76796/ | 19:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: accoutn and region shouldn't matter if we give osloganalyze a way to read fro mthere | 19:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: but I think that is as good a place to put it as any | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: reduces latency in theory too | 19:47 |
| fungi | ahh, okay. wasn't sure if there were additional controls in place besides just knowing the url | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: there are, pretty sure it will need credentials | 19:47 |
| clarkb | since this will be not public access | 19:48 |
| fungi | right, 76796 uses them | 19:48 |
| fungi | see the wsgi.conf placeholders | 19:48 |
| jhesketh | yeah, so os-loganalyzer now needs a config for swift params | 19:48 |
| fungi | those will need to become vars in a puppet erb in the config repo | 19:49 |
| clarkb | also, is there any concern that one container won't be enough? | 19:49 |
| fungi | and then we'll put whatever we generate into hiera | 19:49 |
| * clarkb should probably catch up on the swift stuff later | 19:49 | |
| jhesketh | yep | 19:49 |
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| jhesketh | clarkb: good question | 19:49 |
| fungi | jhesketh: right i know at one point we talked about needing to rotate containers to get around size limits or performance concerns | 19:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: correct, particularly for listings, but osloganalyze can possible deal with that for us too | 19:50 |
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| fungi | right, if it was just the link count in the container which was at issue, then maybe it's irrelevant now | 19:50 |
| jeblair | yeah that'll be a lot easier to deal with if we aren't trying to figure out a single immutable public url with multiple containers in use | 19:51 |
| mordred | all hail osloganalyze | 19:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: actually, maybe we should put the test logs in the test account | 19:52 |
| clarkb | fungi: that way the resources are segragated based on role | 19:52 |
| clarkb | static happens to serve them but they belong to the test account | 19:52 |
| fungi | clarkb: you mean openstackjenkins vs openstackci? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | hrm. i lean toward openstackci -- because we're creating the container | 19:54 |
| fungi | i suppose, from a bookkeeping standpoint. but from a security separation standpoint they are more closely related to the systems in the openstackci account which generate the tokens for writing to and then later read from them | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | if jenkins were creating them, i think the openstackjenkins would be more appropriate | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | fungi: because, yeah, the security separation is the main benefit there i think | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | I see the security benefit as being the inverse here | 19:55 |
| fungi | i see there being only a marginal security benefit regardless | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | if loganalyze gets owned we only expose the test slaves and their data to corruption/abuse | 19:56 |
| clarkb | with the other account its everything | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: osloganalyze doesn't have the _account_ credentials regardless | 19:56 |
| clarkb | jeblair: how does it have access then? | 19:56 |
| fungi | yeah, this would be a dedicated api key, right? | 19:56 |
| clarkb | I thought the hp patch to make ^ a thing was never merged to keysteon | 19:57 |
| jeblair | clarkb: wow, i sure hope you can grant read/write access to swift without _also_ giving the ability to spin up servers and delete all data in other services. | 19:57 |
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| jhesketh | fungi: https://github.com/openstack-infra/jeepyb/blob/master/jeepyb/cmd/openstackwatch.py#L121 | 19:59 |
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| jhesketh | so I'm not sure about the security but it's something I'll have a look into | 19:59 |
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| mordred | I'm pretty sure swift has container acls | 19:59 |
| clarkb | we can use http://www.rackspace.com/blog/reduce-human-error-with-role-based-access-control-for-rackspace-cloud/ | 19:59 |
| mordred | that are not related to the hp patch that didn't merge | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | ++ | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 20:00:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-01-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-01-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-01-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | annegentle, mikal, mordred, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, lifeless, sdague : around ? | 20:02 |
| jeblair | ayup | 20:03 |
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| dolphm | (o/) | 20:03 |
| lifeless | ttx: somewhat, tripleo-cloud is still fighting stability and thats a critical | 20:03 |
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| sdague | o/ | 20:03 |
| mikal | . | 20:03 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 20:03:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Gap analysis for Keystone | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Our guest for this week is... dolphm! | 20:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: o/ | 20:04 |
| ttx | Did you prepare an etherpad for the analysis ? | 20:04 |
| dolphm | yep! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-incubation-integration-requirements | 20:04 |
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| dolphm | i crossed out a few things that are fairly given | 20:04 |
| markmc | dolphm, thanks | 20:04 |
| lifeless | ttx: specifically, please ping me for input, as I'll miss things - sorry | 20:05 |
| dolphm | and/or not relevant for an already-integrated project | 20:05 |
| markmc | dolphm, you couldn't change your colour to something lighter? | 20:05 |
| * markmc colour-blind :) | 20:05 | |
| russellb | markmc: thanks | 20:05 |
| ttx | lifeless: understood | 20:05 |
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| russellb | was burning my eyes | 20:05 |
| markmc | cool | 20:05 |
| dolphm | markmc: how's that? i actually just turn off all colors in etherpad completely | 20:05 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-incubation-integration-requirements | 20:05 |
| markmc | dolphm, great, thanks | 20:05 |
| dolphm | gear icon -> authorship colors | 20:05 |
| markmc | random question to start with | 20:06 |
| mikal | dolphm: so reading through, what's your plan to deprecate the v2 API (if at all)? | 20:06 |
| mordred | dolphm: on the api stability - I've heard folks talking about v2 deprecation but also that v3 isn't supported everywhere yet - is that a thing that shoudl be poked at? | 20:06 |
| markmc | if the mission is clear, why was there debate as to whether barbican functionality or KDS belongs in keystone | 20:06 |
| mordred | mikal: jinx | 20:06 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:06 |
| russellb | we had a thread on that recently on -dev | 20:07 |
| dolphm | mikal: working to formalize that very soon as part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/document-v2-to-v3-transition | 20:07 |
| mordred | oh good | 20:07 |
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| dolphm | mikal: we also discussed a bit today in our keystone meeting, but the gist is that our next step is to start integrating our latest client work into other projects | 20:07 |
| russellb | re keystone v2: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031016.html | 20:07 |
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| dolphm | mordred: does that answer your question? ^ | 20:07 |
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| mordred | russellb: thanks | 20:07 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031016.html | 20:07 |
| dolphm | russellb: ++ | 20:07 |
| mikal | dolphm: cool. What sort of timeline do you have in mind? | 20:07 |
| mordred | dolphm: yup | 20:07 |
| markmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/document-v2-to-v3-transition | 20:08 |
| russellb | ttx did a nice job summarizing the ideal workflow for moving toward deprecating v3: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031040.html | 20:08 |
| dolphm | mikal: we'll do our best to help as many projects as we can move to v3 during juno, but my goal is to have all the integrated projects on v3 in 6 months | 20:08 |
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| mikal | dolphm: ok, sounds like a good start to me | 20:09 |
| mordred | I think that's an excellent plan | 20:09 |
| ttx | that plan is valid for all API deprecations btw | 20:09 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031040.html | 20:09 |
| russellb | ttx: +1 | 20:10 |
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| ttx | maybe I should turn that into a wikipage | 20:10 |
| markmc | ttx, could be good to add to openstack/governance | 20:10 |
| markmc | as guidelines | 20:10 |
| russellb | yeah, i like that | 20:10 |
| ttx | indeed | 20:10 |
| mikal | agreed | 20:10 |
| sdague | one of the questions I had regarding the stable interface, is there seems to be a large amount of work done in keystone client relative to the other clients (which are mostly thin access layers on the API). How does that impact the definition of a stable API? | 20:10 |
| ttx | #action ttx to propose Api deprecation workflow guidance to openstack/governance | 20:11 |
| russellb | this v2 / v3 situation is really the only concern i had for keystone, and it's an issue that applies more broadly, they just happened to get it brought up very recently | 20:11 |
| markmc | sdague, got an example? | 20:11 |
| dolphm | sdague: referring to session or auth_token or something specifically? | 20:12 |
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| sdague | dolphm: mostly I think on the session and auto_token front | 20:12 |
| russellb | does the client do a lot more than "thinly" wrap the API? | 20:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: I have one question, about the middleware and it being shipped with the client library | 20:12 |
| sdague | it has a pretty substantial caching layer | 20:12 |
| dolphm | ttx: your deprecation outline could be a revision to this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 20:12 |
| sdague | which was the cause of the last CVE | 20:12 |
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| ttx | dolphm: i think that's an artifact from the time where you only had the main project and client library allowed | 20:13 |
| russellb | the API change guidelines could be modified to be TC curated, as well | 20:13 |
| ttx | Now that we live in a program world, I wonder if the middleware shoudln't just be shipped separately | 20:13 |
| russellb | something worth standardizing on | 20:13 |
| dolphm | russellb: session is intended to manage authentication state for other clients (and dogfooded by keystone) | 20:13 |
| markmc | sdague, when we say "stable API" I assume we mostly mean REST API | 20:13 |
| sdague | markmc: yes, agreed | 20:13 |
| markmc | sdague, python API stability good too, but applies to all libraries we publish | 20:14 |
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| dolphm | auth_token shouldn't be seen as much more than a slightly privileged identity client with a unique interface | 20:14 |
| sdague | but when we did our keystone & heat & tempest session in HK there was definitely a bunch of disconnect | 20:14 |
| ttx | (my question is slightly off-topic since we talk abot keystone, not keystoneclient, but meh) | 20:14 |
| sdague | at the time there was almost no keystone direct tested | 20:14 |
| sdague | it was all through the library | 20:14 |
| sdague | it's much better now | 20:14 |
| annegentle | ttx: russellb: I have a question related to the v2/v3 deprecation messaging -- drawing parallel to the XML deprecation. I can put it in a mailing list post, but generally wanting to define the discussion channels and how do we know we have properly discussed | 20:15 |
| markmc | ttx, middleware is API client code, makes conceptual sense to live in keystoneclient IMHO | 20:15 |
| annegentle | not trying to be off topic but I see parallels | 20:15 |
| markmc | ttx, not that I care much either way - just don't see an issue | 20:15 |
| russellb | annegentle: fair | 20:15 |
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| dolphm | markmc: the only issue is packaging -- auth_token may have additional dependencies that a thin client library should not | 20:15 |
| ttx | markmc: ok -- it just is an infinite source of vulnerabilities while we don't issue that many on other "clients". I guess we can live with that if it makes conceptual sense | 20:16 |
| mordred | dolphm: so by splitting, you could potentially make having the other client libs consume keystoneclient easier? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | russellb: it means DocImpact is working, so that's good... just not sure how/when to document the impact | 20:16 |
| sdague | right, like the fact that there have been a lot of race conditions in the cache layer corrupting tokens | 20:16 |
| ttx | we could also update the middleware more easily | 20:16 |
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| sdague | I think we fixed 3 of those this cycle | 20:16 |
| dolphm | mordred: it'd make the dependency graph cleaner - i don't know about easier | 20:16 |
| mordred | dolphm: :) | 20:16 |
| russellb | annegentle: talking about nova XML? yes, a lot more discussion is needed before any real action is taken IMO | 20:16 |
| mordred | dolphm: easier socially - less extra deps pulled in | 20:17 |
| ttx | otherwise when we bump the middleware for security reasons, we have to collect the new client stuff in the same "release" | 20:17 |
| dolphm | mordred: then sure | 20:17 |
| annegentle | russellb: okay, I saw a patch with the word deprecation in a message, so I'll follow up on list | 20:17 |
| markmc | all sounds like reasonable reasons to split out | 20:17 |
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| markmc | dolphm, repeating mission/scope question - if the mission is clear, why do you think there was debate as to whether barbican functionality or KDS belongs in keystone ? | 20:18 |
| russellb | annegentle: yes it's marked deprecated, but discussion needed before we can totally pull the plug. been trying to get usage data from deployers and such. | 20:18 |
| dolphm | we also do crypto work in keystoneclient, which is consumed by both auth_token and the keystone service -- we'll likely see more of that moving forward | 20:18 |
| ttx | dolphm: if we did that (separate middleware from lib), let's aim for the beginning of a cycle to do it | 20:18 |
| dolphm | ttx: ack, i think we have a relevant summit session proposed already | 20:19 |
| ttx | markmc: I think it was more of a timing issue originally. Then the debate came from that original suggestion | 20:19 |
| ttx | markmc: i.e. we said "in keystone" because we needed it somewhere and keystone was the first consumer | 20:19 |
| dolphm | markmc: both deal with secrets/credentials to an extent - i think it's a valid conversation to have | 20:20 |
| ttx | and then when barbican came along I asked "so.. would the KDS still live in keystone ? | 20:20 |
| dolphm | ttx: ++ | 20:20 |
| ttx | but wityh barbican positioning as the main purveyor of secrets, I think the KDS makes sense in barbican | 20:20 |
| sdague | honestly, on the QA side the keystone team stepped up a lot this cycle. I think we end up hitting v2 API about 2k times (including indirects through keystone client) and v3 API about 500 times over the course of a full tempest run | 20:20 |
| markmc | dolphm, ok, cool - and consensus has been reached now | 20:20 |
| dolphm | ttx: ++ KDS is definitely more closely related to barbican than to keystone | 20:20 |
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| dolphm | sdague: wow, and we're working to reduce API chatter lol | 20:21 |
| sdague | we create and tear down a lot of users for tenant isolation | 20:21 |
| dolphm | we also have a substantial number of functional API tests within keystone.tests | 20:22 |
| sdague | so keystone gets a nice extra work out from that | 20:22 |
| sdague | every tempest class runs under a different user & tenant | 20:22 |
| ttx | Last tricky question... performance. keystone has been ignored in te past due to poor performance. Would you say that today those concerns are no longer valid ? | 20:22 |
| mordred | dolphm: may be out of scope for this meeting - but should we do a keystone-functional test aginst the devstack cloud like we do for swift-functional? | 20:22 |
| ttx | i.e. we don't hit it that much in regular operation so its no longer a performance bnottleneck ? | 20:22 |
| dolphm | still valid -- but we have two MAJOR changes in the pipeline that will radically improve performance | 20:22 |
| russellb | dolphm: what are they? tl;dr version :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | now I'm curious | 20:23 |
| dolphm | in short: ephemeral, compressed PKI tokens w/ revocation events | 20:23 |
| russellb | ah, event based revocation instead of polling keystone 1/second from everywhere to check the latest CRL? | 20:23 |
| jogo | will those contain the catalog in them like current PKI tokens? | 20:23 |
| dolphm | no more token backend in sql/memcached/whatever, no more issues with 8k tokens, and faster distribution of revocation events to services needing to validate (and invalidate) tokens quickly | 20:24 |
| dolphm | russellb: yes | 20:24 |
| russellb | awesome | 20:24 |
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| markmcclain | cool | 20:24 |
| sdague | nice | 20:24 |
| russellb | oslo.messaging notification based or what? | 20:24 |
| ttx | are those changes Juno material ? | 20:24 |
| dolphm | we landed revocation events in icehouse, but haven't taken advantage | 20:24 |
| russellb | how do you get the events? | 20:24 |
| dolphm | russellb: all HTTP right now, but it could be moved to HTTP + messaging | 20:24 |
| dolphm | russellb: we needed HTTP either way | 20:24 |
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| russellb | long polling i guess? | 20:25 |
| sdague | dolphm: long poll on http? | 20:25 |
| * markmc thinks we're in the weeds :) | 20:25 | |
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| dolphm | russellb: we're just doing GET /v3/OS-REVOKE/revocations_events and then polling for updates with something like GET /v3/OS-REVOKE/revocations_events?since=<timestamp> | 20:25 |
| markmc | interesting, but ... | 20:25 |
| dolphm | markmc: yeah lol | 20:25 |
| ttx | markmc: nice weeds | 20:25 |
| sdague | markmc: fair :) | 20:25 |
| dolphm | anyway, i'd like to move to messaging :) | 20:25 |
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| russellb | dolphm: that sounds like polling, heh | 20:25 |
| ttx | OK, let's wrap it up | 20:25 |
| russellb | anyway, later is fine :) | 20:25 |
| ttx | I think we didn't find any gap | 20:25 |
| ttx | or I missed them in the flow | 20:26 |
| dolphm | ttx: and yes, they should all land in juno | 20:26 |
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| ttx | agree ? | 20:26 |
| russellb | ttx: agree | 20:26 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:26 |
| sdague | ttx: yes, I think so | 20:26 |
| markmc | yep | 20:26 |
| russellb | dolphm: nice work to the whole keystone team | 20:27 |
| markmcclain | ttx : yep | 20:27 |
| ttx | #info No gap found between Keystone current state and integration requirements | 20:27 |
| dolphm | cool, thanks everyone | 20:27 |
| dolphm | russellb: /salute | 20:27 |
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| ttx | dolphm: congrats! | 20:27 |
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| ttx | fwiw keystone has been hitting releasemanagement deadlines like a swiss clock lately | 20:27 |
| ttx | no feature freeze exception, first out of RC1 | 20:27 |
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| ttx | so it looks very sane | 20:28 |
| ttx | Moving to next topic. | 20:28 |
| ttx | #topic Status update on Defcore progress | 20:28 |
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| ttx | mikal, annegentle, zehicle_at_dell: o/ | 20:28 |
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| mikal | Hi | 20:28 |
| ttx | I read the summary, looks like you made good progress at the last meeting | 20:28 |
| mikal | So I missed the most recent meeting | 20:29 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-designated-sections | 20:29 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 20:30 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 20:30 |
| ttx | I think annegentle mordred dhellmann russellb markmcclain and jeblair were there for the TC | 20:30 |
| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-designated-sections | 20:30 |
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| * jgriffith missed it sadly | 20:30 | |
| zehicle_at_dell | I uploaded the recording and it's on the link | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | I thought that meeting went well. I know I have a much clearer picture of what sort of answer we need to put together. | 20:30 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:31 |
| russellb | so i think next step is we need to finish filling out and vetting proposed designated/replaceable sections, yes? | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | russellb: yes, that todo is to be completed "at or by the juno summit" | 20:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we also have a request to have an official TC approval of the principles | 20:31 |
| ttx | zehicle_at_dell: are there specific PTLs which you need input from which haven't made contact yet ? Which we could track down for you ? | 20:31 |
| jeblair | yes, the most useful things out of that meeting related to scope and direction; we did not get into the details too much; so i think what's in the etherpad is still very much 'strawman' | 20:32 |
| ttx | zehicle_at_dell: The selection principles make sense to me | 20:32 |
| russellb | generated by PTLs, collected/blessed by this group? | 20:32 |
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| ttx | zehicle_at_dell: the selection principles ? | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | russellb: yes, some combination of that | 20:32 |
| russellb | selection principles seem sane to me | 20:32 |
| ttx | (official approval of the selection principles ?) | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | ttx: there is a list in the etherpad | 20:32 |
| sdague | zehicle_at_dell: consumers ther seems to be defined mostly as operators & packagers? | 20:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ttx, I think that we'll know which projects are critical soon because they are likely to have must-pass candidates | 20:32 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | ttx, that's the title on the wiki page | 20:33 |
| ttx | zehicle_at_dell: OK I'll prepare a proper resolution for approval of the selection principles | 20:33 |
| ttx | zehicle_at_dell: probably for next week meeting given the usual delay | 20:33 |
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| markmc | where are the selection principles? | 20:34 |
| ttx | TC members: if the ones on the etherpad are completely unreasonable for you, speak now | 20:34 |
| ttx | on the etherpad | 20:34 |
| markmc | oh, zehicle_at_dell said wiki | 20:34 |
| ttx | under ## SELECTION PRICIPLES FOR DESIGNATED SECTIONS | 20:34 |
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| sdague | yeh L27 in the etherpad | 20:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | not focused enough, etherpad :/ | 20:34 |
| jeblair | i think they are reasonable | 20:35 |
| ttx | I like the "cross-platform" one | 20:35 |
| markmc | cool, there are other defcore principles on the wiki :) | 20:35 |
| ttx | we are people of principles | 20:35 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | markmc, yes | 20:35 |
| markmc | "balance between the commercial ecosystem and the community ecosystem." | 20:35 |
| ttx | #action ttx to draft TC resolution on selection principles | 20:35 |
| markmc | given that this is exclusively about "the commercial use of the brand" | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | we may need to refine the one on line 40 about developer intent -- ceilometer has some plugin APIs for which we don't expect the pieces to be replaced but they can be supplemented | 20:36 |
| markmc | why the reference to the community ecosystem ? | 20:36 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: that's not covered by API extension? | 20:36 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | markmc, because the intent of designated sections is to encourage upstreaming | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | sdague: those plugins are not part of the rest api | 20:36 |
| mordred | markmc: we want to incentivize the commercial ecosystem to continue to participate in teh community | 20:36 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: IIRC, every use of "API" in that doc means "REST API" | 20:37 |
| markmc | ok, thanks | 20:37 |
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| sdague | ok, maybe worth clarifying | 20:37 |
| russellb | by explicitly letting them replace stuff, cool :) | 20:37 |
| sdague | because on something like HEAT, the rest API is really minimal, and the payload is what's important | 20:37 |
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| sdague | like heat without hot, seems no good to me, but hot isn't strictly the rest api | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: similar for ceilometer -- we wouldn't want a sample collection plugin to be replaced with one that has different behavior, but adding new ones is allowed | 20:38 |
| markmc | REST starts with Representation | 20:38 |
| markmc | pretty clear payload is part of it | 20:38 |
| russellb | agree | 20:39 |
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| sdague | sure, fair, I guess I don't understand how API extension doesn't cover ceilo then :) | 20:39 |
| sdague | but we can go off in the weeds elsewhere | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | sdague: adding a new sample doesn't require any change to the API of ceilometer | 20:40 |
| zehicle_at_dell | good clarification - we expected that this would be extended in discussion | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | sure :-) | 20:40 |
| ttx | timeboxing this to 5 more minutes | 20:40 |
| ttx | well, unless nobody has anything to add, obviously | 20:41 |
| jeblair | ttx: that was too effective | 20:41 |
| ttx | jeblair: weird | 20:41 |
| ttx | well then | 20:41 |
| ttx | next topic ? | 20:41 |
| sdague | go for it | 20:42 |
| ttx | #topic More post-graduation expectations | 20:42 |
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| ttx | * Add API graduation/post-graduation requirements (https://review.openstack.org/68258) | 20:42 |
| ttx | * Add Heat integration post-graduation expectation (https://review.openstack.org/81773) | 20:42 |
| ttx | * Add Horizon integration post-graduation expectation (https://review.openstack.org/81774) | 20:42 |
| ttx | Since the requirements doc reflects consensual requirements, I waited for majority of approvals on it | 20:42 |
| ttx | One of them still misses majority vote (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68258/) | 20:42 |
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| ttx | yep, only 6 | 20:42 |
| ttx | But it's been on the table for a few meetings now, so I think we need to make the final vote on it. | 20:43 |
| markmc | weird, that was the least controversial one I thought :) | 20:43 |
| ttx | Final vote means it should be accepted if it gathers 5 +1s (and less than 5 -1s). So if you don't like it, make sure to cast your vote asap | 20:43 |
| ttx | #info Final vote called on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68258/ | 20:43 |
| markmc | bah, had a draft reply to dhellmann saved there | 20:43 |
| ttx | Will collect the result of the "final vote" tomorrow morning, to give absent members a chance to -1 it :) | 20:43 |
| ttx | (with the current votes it will get accepted tomorrow morning) | 20:44 |
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| ttx | comments on that ? | 20:44 |
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| ttx | anyone wants to push the 7th +1 ? | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | I think jgriffith just did? | 20:44 |
| ttx | magic | 20:45 |
| markmc | thanks | 20:45 |
| ttx | ok thx! | 20:45 |
| ttx | #topic Minor governance changes | 20:45 |
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| ttx | * Fix post-graduation expectation typo (https://review.openstack.org/83765) | 20:45 |
| ttx | Will just approve that one as typo fix now | 20:45 |
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| ttx | I .. just can't see the typo | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | missing letter | 20:47 |
| ttx | cyle | 20:47 |
| ttx | hah | 20:47 |
| russellb | sometimes i need unified view to see that stuff, heh | 20:47 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:47 |
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| ttx | Got one quick question for you all | 20:47 |
| russellb | looks like there's a couple other changes up now | 20:47 |
| markmcclain | low hanging fruit change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84489/ | 20:47 |
| markmc | do we have plans for a TC pow-wow at the summit yet? | 20:48 |
| ttx | How do you want us to select the cross-project workshops ? | 20:48 |
| markmc | aside from the joint meeting with the board | 20:48 |
| ttx | should the newly-elected TC members do it ? | 20:48 |
| ttx | Shoud the PTL group do it ? | 20:48 |
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| dhellmann | markmc: didn't we appoint mordred as our meat-space event coordinator? | 20:48 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I book dinners | 20:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: as long as the event is not held in Paris | 20:48 |
| mikal | mordred: good dinners | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | mordred: they serve meat at dinner | 20:48 |
| markmc | heh | 20:48 |
| mordred | dhellmann: mmm. meat | 20:49 |
| * markmc does like a good mordred dinner | 20:49 | |
| sdague | ++ | 20:49 |
| russellb | fogo de chao! | 20:49 |
| markmc | was thinking whether a non-social pow-wow would be good ? | 20:49 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:49 |
| markmc | maybe before it? | 20:49 |
| * mordred was going to suggest the same thing | 20:49 | |
| jeblair | ttx: ptls? | 20:49 |
| sdague | markmc: +1 on non social pow wow | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | markmc: I like it | 20:49 |
| russellb | sorry i was still thinking about meat | 20:49 |
| markmcclain | bacchanalia | 20:49 |
| russellb | but +1 on a working session | 20:49 |
| mordred | getting some space to dive in to deeper tech questions | 20:50 |
| ttx | jeblair: I have no strong opinion on it. The PTLs group already schedule the rest of the summit, so asking them makes sense | 20:50 |
| mordred | etc | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | before or after the summit? | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | or during, even? | 20:50 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I vote for before | 20:50 |
| mikal | We need to decide soon because of travel bookings | 20:50 |
| ttx | I'll be in on the Saturday afternoon | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | mordred: sunday is the board meeting, do you mean before sunday? | 20:50 |
| russellb | ttx: PTLs are also very busy with their scheduling, maybe it makes sense for the TC to lead the cross project stuff? | 20:50 |
| ttx | Sunday afternoon is the TC/BoD joint thing | 20:50 |
| mordred | oh right | 20:50 |
| sdague | ttx: I think it would be good for at least you to be in on the picking of cross platform talks as release manager | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | russellb: +1 | 20:51 |
| mikal | I think Tom wanted a meet the TC thing for the ops thing on Monday too | 20:51 |
| mikal | Just as a heads up | 20:51 |
| russellb | I think it makes sense for the TC to continue to step up as the cross-project leadership group | 20:51 |
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| sdague | russellb: +1 | 20:51 |
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| ttx | sdague: at the very least I would facilitate that choice (as Foundation crew in charge of design summit org) | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | russellb: +1 | 20:51 |
| russellb | fwiw, i'd be happy to help coorindate, as i won't be leading the nova scheduling this time | 20:51 |
| jgriffith | russellb: I agree as long as I'm on TC :) | 20:51 |
| * ttx can wear all sorts of hats and be there anyway | 20:51 | |
| sdague | +1 for russellb | 20:51 |
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| russellb | and i'll rope sdague in, and anyone else that wants to help :) | 20:52 |
| sdague | I can help on that as well, as I get to punt on qa scheduling | 20:52 |
| russellb | sdague: ha | 20:52 |
| ttx | I like the idea of the TC making the final call on those | 20:52 |
| ttx | also a smaller group so easier to come to consensus | 20:52 |
| russellb | maybe even use openstack/governance to get approval on the final set of sessions :) | 20:52 |
| * ttx slaps russellb | 20:53 | |
| sdague | heh | 20:53 |
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| mikal | I guess it depends how many sessions are proposed | 20:53 |
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| mikal | Lots of sessions == harder to get a concensus | 20:53 |
| jeblair | ttx: can we see them? | 20:53 |
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| ttx | jeblair: sure | 20:53 |
| russellb | proposals are all public | 20:54 |
| ttx | http://summit.openstack.org/, click on Topic to sort by topic | 20:54 |
| russellb | 19 cross-project submissions so far | 20:54 |
| russellb | how many slots? | 20:54 |
| ttx | 21 slots, 19 proposals | 20:54 |
| ttx | BUT | 20:54 |
| sdague | ttx: was it decided yet about single vs. double slots? | 20:54 |
| ttx | some are probably worth double slots | 20:55 |
| ttx | sdague: annegentle suggested we keep 40-min ones | 20:55 |
| russellb | ultra-cross-project?? | 20:55 |
| vishy | oh i have a cross-project proposal i need to make | 20:55 |
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| vishy | regarding hierarchical multitenancy | 20:55 |
| sdague | I'd really like the test matrix one to be double slot, because I think it's going to take a while | 20:55 |
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| ttx | rigth. i don't want us to just start on a topic and not really close it | 20:55 |
| markmc | remind me how the scheduling is going to work again ? | 20:55 |
| ttx | a design summit session is a good conversatoin opener | 20:56 |
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| russellb | oh i see what you mean by double ... | 20:56 |
| ttx | but in these workshos you'll have a hard time getting the same people around the table again | 20:56 |
| devananda | sdague: ++ | 20:56 |
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| ttx | so we should definitely consider accepting less and granting a few double slots | 20:56 |
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| sdague | markmc: 3 tracks on Tuesday for cross project | 20:56 |
| sdague | no other integrated project tracks that day | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: i see at least one that i think should be in infra (openstackid) | 20:56 |
| markmc | sdague, cool, thanks | 20:56 |
| ttx | jeblair: we might want to redirect some, yes | 20:57 |
| russellb | yep | 20:57 |
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| russellb | and the gantt thing should be nova for now ... | 20:57 |
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| ttx | russellb: well.. I wanted the climate guys around THAt table | 20:57 |
| sdague | yeh, as always, there are folks that propose to a suboptimal track, we can move some of that around | 20:57 |
| jeblair | since we're reviewing as a group (or our successors)... | 20:57 |
| ttx | if you need anything moved FROM cross-project workshops track, I can do that | 20:58 |
| sdague | ttx: but climate won't be conflicting right? | 20:58 |
| jeblair | we might need to put a little effort into trying to get things redirected early | 20:58 |
| ttx | sdague: no they won't | 20:58 |
| sdague | it's actually better for climate + nova to be in the nova track | 20:58 |
| russellb | ttx: this sesesion is separate from the climate stuff IMO | 20:58 |
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| ttx | oh, looking | 20:58 |
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| sdague | 2 minutes | 20:58 |
| ttx | oh right. Gantt APi interfaces | 20:58 |
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| russellb | sdague: i don't think the climate folks really took the "do it in nova" feedback, according to the ML thread that followed the TC meeting. :-( | 20:58 |
| ttx | that one shoud be Nova's for sure | 20:59 |
| russellb | ttx: k :) | 20:59 |
| sdague | russellb: well we can nudge them again :) | 20:59 |
| russellb | yep | 20:59 |
| jeblair | ttx: consider this an official request to move openstackid http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/159 to infra :) | 20:59 |
| ttx | russellb: want me to move it now ? | 20:59 |
| russellb | ttx: yes | 20:59 |
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| russellb | there's 2 copies of http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/184 | 20:59 |
| russellb | and both should be Nova IMO | 20:59 |
| ttx | done and done | 20:59 |
| ttx | and we are past time | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| russellb | because work has to start there | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 21:00:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-01-20.03.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-01-20.03.txt | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-01-20.03.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | thanks everyone | 21:00 |
| markmc | thanks ttx | 21:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: thanks! | 21:00 |
| mikal | Bye | 21:00 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:00 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ? | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:00 |
| ttx | damn summer time | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 21:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic Missing RC1s | 21:01 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | At this point we are only missing RC1s for Trove and Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | last few things being resolved in swift | 21:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | Trove's ETA is tomorrow, Swift ETA is Thursday | 21:01 |
| ttx | in all cases we'd crreate MP branches this week to get depfreeze unfrozen on master | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Potential RC2 windows | 21:02 |
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| ttx | During the 1:1s we looked at icehouse-rc-potential bugs | 21:02 |
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| ttx | We'll let the RC1 get some more testing mileage | 21:03 |
| hub_cap | heyo | 21:03 |
| ttx | and start opening ad-hoc RC2 windows as needed starting Thursday | 21:03 |
| ttx | we have a few translations issues that need to be fixed | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Try to limit use of the icehouse-rc-potential tag to release-critical issues that may make a RC respin warranted | 21:04 |
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| ttx | we can always include MORE fixes once the window is opened, just lookign at the bugs that got fixed in master in the mean time | 21:05 |
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| stevebaker | now you tell me ;) | 21:05 |
| ttx | I'll keep an eye on the icehouse-rc-potential lists and we'll be in touch to get those RC windows opened | 21:05 |
| markmc | things punted til later are moved to icehouse-backport-potential, right? | 21:05 |
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| ttx | markmc: yes, this one can be used more as a "makes sense to backport this one" meaning | 21:06 |
| markmc | cool | 21:06 |
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| ttx | whereas icehouse-rc-potential is more "hmm... we really can't release with that in" | 21:06 |
| ttx | other questions on that ? | 21:06 |
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| devananda | ttx: is the process just to add the icehouse-rc-potential tag on a bug? | 21:07 |
| ttx | devananda: hmm.. yes ? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | sounds like a tricky question | 21:07 |
| ttx | hope I answered right | 21:07 |
| devananda | :) | 21:07 |
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| ttx | #topic Depfreeze exceptions | 21:07 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84030 | 21:08 |
| ttx | This one is about skipping pbr 0.7 because it's broken on Windows | 21:08 |
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| ttx | The problem is we are under depfreeze, we had 0.7 around before depfreeze and this affects everyone (unlike, say, happybase) | 21:08 |
| ttx | So it seems to be precisely the type of bumps depfreeze was meant to prevent | 21:08 |
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| ttx | Since the current spec (>=0.6) doesn't prevent the use of 0.8 on Windows setups, I'm not exactly sure why this would be *needed* | 21:08 |
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| ttx | Am I missing something ? | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | no, I had a similar reaction | 21:09 |
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| markmc | I guess someone could have the requirements satisfied with 0.7 and it would break windows | 21:09 |
| markmc | but, obscure to say the least | 21:10 |
| markmc | agree it's not worth ruling out 0.7 | 21:10 |
| markmc | is it just because it's windows, though? | 21:10 |
| ttx | if the thing was capped to <=0.7 I would agree we should uncap it | 21:10 |
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| ttx | but >=0.6 shoulds work for everyone | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yes, it was just windows, though I don't remember the details | 21:10 |
| ttx | just use 0.8 if you like it better | 21:11 |
| russellb | if 0.7 was broken on linux, i bet we'd change it to exclude 0.7 ... | 21:11 |
| markmc | I mean, if 0.7 was broken on fedora but working on ubuntu, would we approve this? | 21:11 |
| markmc | maybe not worth wasting time on the hypothetical | 21:11 |
| russellb | maybe that's fine, i don't know | 21:11 |
| russellb | yeah. | 21:11 |
| markmc | if we're happy saying windows is second class citizen | 21:11 |
| russellb | right | 21:11 |
| russellb | i am :) | 21:12 |
| ttx | markmc: I don't think we'd approve something that would shift the work from Fedora to Ubuntu | 21:12 |
| sdague | well, I think the point of requirements is here is a valid range of choices | 21:12 |
| ttx | here I'm not even sure we make it difficult for windows | 21:12 |
| russellb | right, the question is, would we consider 0.7 valid if it broke all linux | 21:12 |
| russellb | flip the situation around | 21:12 |
| ttx | russellb: it wouldn't pass the gate, surely | 21:12 |
| ttx | ... | 21:12 |
| russellb | pretend it did, somehow :) | 21:12 |
| russellb | just trying to flip the situation | 21:13 |
| ttx | well, it's a bit of the root of the issue | 21:13 |
| sdague | russellb: if it did, I honestly don't think we'd black list it | 21:13 |
| sdague | I am sure there are plenty of non working versions in the requirements ranges | 21:13 |
| sdague | we don't black list them all | 21:13 |
| russellb | OK, guess all I think markmc was starting to say was "are we making this decision based on "well, it's just windows" ?" | 21:13 |
| sdague | like sqla 0.9.0 doesn't actually work | 21:13 |
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| markmc | we do sometimes blacklist, though | 21:13 |
| sdague | markmc: we do sometimes | 21:13 |
| ttx | russellb: no. We are amking this decision as "well, it's past depfreeze" | 21:13 |
| sdague | mostly if it's the only way through the gate | 21:14 |
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| russellb | OK, then it's all good | 21:14 |
| markmc | meh - maybe let's have this debate when we have something that has real practical problems :) | 21:14 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, i keep re-reading your original problem statement, and i agree it doesn't seem like there is a problem; the requirements we specify include working versions for all platforms | 21:14 |
| ttx | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something | 21:14 |
| russellb | i think it's fine | 21:14 |
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| markmc | sorry for the rabbit hole | 21:14 |
| russellb | they're fun sometimes | 21:14 |
| ttx | I'm pretty sure that's not the onlt dep you need to bump IN YOUR DISTRO to make it work seamlessly with your system | 21:15 |
| ttx | as long as it's in the range we set... | 21:15 |
| ttx | we don't prevent them from using 0.8 | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | is this worth a release note? | 21:15 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: maybe | 21:15 |
| russellb | how committal | 21:16 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add windows pbr0.8 adherence to release notes | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | how do people install openstack stuff on windows? pip? | 21:16 |
| ttx | russellb: better ? | 21:16 |
| russellb | ha, sure | 21:16 |
| russellb | dhellmann: i have no idea. | 21:16 |
| * dhellmann hopes not pip | 21:16 | |
| ttx | alexpilotti: you don't happen to be around, do you ? | 21:16 |
| russellb | he's active in -nova right now | 21:16 |
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| ttx | oh, cool | 21:17 |
| jeblair | also, i don't think we have an official support policy for windows | 21:17 |
| alexpilotti | russellb: hi | 21:17 |
| ttx | alexpilotti: we were looking at your depfreeze exception at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84030 | 21:17 |
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| ttx | looks like the current range >=0.6 would be compatible with windows using pbr0.8 ? | 21:18 |
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| alexpilotti | ttx: only 0.7 is flawed | 21:18 |
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| ttx | so we could avoid breaking distros that only have 0.7 by not doing anything | 21:18 |
| ttx | alexpilotti: then what ? Just use 0.8 | 21:18 |
| russellb | alexpilotti: key point being the stated requirement doesn't prevent the use of 0.8 | 21:19 |
| russellb | so trying to decide if a change is needed or not (and we think not) | 21:19 |
| alexpilotti | ttx: yeah of course, that's why teh patch is >= 0.6,!=0.7 :-) | 21:19 |
| ttx | the problem is... we froze dependencies a week ago so that distros can enter their own freeze periods | 21:19 |
| ttx | forcing them to bum to 0.8 just for a bug they don't encounter... is weird | 21:19 |
| ttx | if this was out of depfreeze period i would accept it right away | 21:20 |
| alexpilotti | russellb ttx: we distribute anyway the installer with 0.8, it's more for users that incidentally have already 0.7 | 21:20 |
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| alexpilotti | and might wonder why nothing works anymore, as the error is not trivial to identify | 21:20 |
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| ttx | alexpilotti: we were thinking of documenting the prb0.8 adherence in the release notes | 21:20 |
| russellb | sounds like if you already have this taken care of with the installer most people use, anyone affected is an incredibly small number | 21:21 |
| alexpilotti | ttx: fair enough for me! | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | russellb: +1 | 21:21 |
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| russellb | alexpilotti: thanks for joining | 21:21 |
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| alexpilotti | thank you guys | 21:21 |
| ttx | alexpilotti: cool. And we'll push the bump to 0.8 as soon as we unfreeze, which should be Friday | 21:21 |
| alexpilotti | ttx perfect | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic Seeking Oslo liaisons | 21:21 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 21:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: floor is yours | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | for juno we are going to formalize the plan jogo came up with for syncing to nova in icehouse, and ask each project to provide a point of contact and helper | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | we would like to have them in place before the summit, since they may want to attend some oslo sessions | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | so please ask your teams to volunteer -- at least one person per project | 21:23 |
| jogo | dhellmann: ++, I'll volunteer for nova | 21:23 |
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| * russellb done | 21:23 | |
| russellb | thanks jogo :-D | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | as I said in my ptl candidacy note, I hope this helps with some of the dependency issues we encountered late in the cycle, for which I didn't have a lot of visibility | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | thanks jogo! please add your details to that wiki page :-) | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | that's all I have, unless anyone has questions? | 21:24 |
| ttx | #info please volunteer one person per project for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 21:24 |
| russellb | dhellmann: nice work on the plan for juno :) | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | russellb: thanks :-) | 21:25 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: I'll wait til I see you in Atl for my questions | 21:25 |
| ttx | #topic Tracking Oslo bugs as they relate to other projects | 21:25 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: you again! | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | me again | 21:25 |
| jogo | dhellmann: done | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | so, we had some cases where bugs in other projects were reported against those projects when the changes needed to be made in oslo | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | and then when the bug was moved to oslo, the other project was removed | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | that made it hard for us to know who had the issue, or how important it was to fix | 21:26 |
| markmc | these are oslo-incubator bugs? or library bugs? | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | I don't have an answer for this one, so I'm asking for suggestions -- we can do that out of the meeting, but I wanted people to think about it | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | markmc: both | 21:26 |
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| jogo | hopefully the liasons can help with that | 21:26 |
| russellb | seems to make sense for incubator bugs to still be applied to the original project too | 21:26 |
| markmc | IMHO, the answer would be different for both ... no? | 21:26 |
| markmc | what russellb is saying :) | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | jogo: yes, I hope so | 21:27 |
| russellb | for libraries, move the bug, but perhaps note that it was discovered via nova or whatever | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | russellb: +1, but I wasn't sure if that would mess up tracking | 21:27 |
| markmc | or just mark as Invalid in Nova rather than remove it | 21:27 |
| russellb | markmc: even better, +1 | 21:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: nothing can mess up tracking. nothing | 21:27 |
| russellb | nothing! | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I like marking invalid, because then we can still have the priority set | 21:27 |
| ttx | although... 10 tasks on a bug will make it uneditable. | 21:28 |
| ttx | apart from that, nothing | 21:28 |
| russellb | though for these cases, we're talking about 2 instead of 1 | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: well, if we have 2 projects marking something as critical, I'm not sure we need *everyone* listed | 21:28 |
| ttx | russellb: right. nothing then | 21:28 |
| russellb | and project "set launchpad on fire" is in progress :) | 21:28 |
| ttx | almost there ! | 21:28 |
| markmc | for the oslo-incubator cases, though ... | 21:28 |
| markmc | we can get over 10 in those | 21:28 |
| russellb | markmc: true | 21:28 |
| russellb | but that's reality | 21:28 |
| markmc | right | 21:29 |
| russellb | it's important to track the flow of the fix | 21:29 |
| russellb | always have the launchpad email interface | 21:29 |
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| russellb | or complain to ttx | 21:29 |
| ttx | jeblair: we should have made a Storboard 1.0 announcement for today | 21:29 |
| bnemec | The solution there is less copying, more graduating. | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | I hope as we move code out of the incubator, that will lower the number of projects syncing | 21:29 |
| russellb | ttx: skip to 2.0 | 21:29 |
| ttx | jeblair: with proxyredirect to LP | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | a lot of them use the low-level libs, but not higher level ones | 21:29 |
| jeblair | ttx: hehe :) | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: +1 | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so if we agree to use "invalid" and set a priority, I think that will help us with planning in oslo | 21:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: sounds good | 21:30 |
| russellb | for the library cases? sure | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | and that should help us figure out what issues other projects are having that we need to give a high priority | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | russellb: right, and for the incubator it needs to wait to be closed until the sync is done | 21:30 |
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| russellb | might want to document this on the bug triage wiki page | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann write up guidelines for tracking bugs against oslo libs and incubator | 21:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: done? | 21:31 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | russellb: thanks | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Red Flag District / Blocked blueprints | 21:31 |
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| markmc | dhellmann turning into a wiki page generating machine | 21:31 |
| markmc | dhellmann, nicely done | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | markmc: write down all the things | 21:31 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: you had an issue to raise iirc | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | I think we just resolved that | 21:31 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, o/ | 21:31 |
| ttx | bug 1279000 | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1279000 in oslo "db migrate script to set charset=utf8 for all tables" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279000 | 21:32 |
| ttx | ? | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | we're going to change oslo.db to ignore the table that lists the migrations | 21:32 |
| morganfainberg | so it appears that in some cases (e.g. unless the db is created with the correct charset or my.cnf is changed) causes issues with migrations to fail | 21:32 |
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| morganfainberg | ttx, that is the original bug, but the sanity check needs to ignore the migrate_version table | 21:32 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1279000/comments/12 | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1279000 in oslo "db migrate script to set charset=utf8 for all tables" [High,Fix committed] | 21:33 |
| ttx | comment 12 talks about the issue spreading to keystone | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | we can fix this easily and ignore that table, but there is the case that anyone using the openstack common migration module will need to be updated for RC. | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | or alternatively we can document saying that the DBs must be created with the utf8 charset | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | the latter is sub-wonderful | 21:33 |
| morganfainberg | but otherwise any/all projects could be affected by this issue if they're using that oslo module | 21:34 |
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| ttx | any idea which projects are affected ? All of them ? | 21:34 |
| ttx | Glance apparently dodged the bullet on that bug | 21:34 |
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| ttx | markwash: ^ | 21:34 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, unsure, i just duplicated this for keystone about 20 minutes ago | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: glance is using the feature we added to turn off that check | 21:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann: so we need to spread that same fix to all other projects ? | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | ttx: no, we need a new fix to ignore this one table and to spread that | 21:35 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ++ | 21:35 |
| ttx | oh, ok | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | I'll work on a patch tomorrow, unless morganfainberg or bnemec beat me to it | 21:36 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i'll see what i can do today. | 21:36 |
| ttx | Looks like we could use a NEW bug to track work on that | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: ok, that lets bnemec and me approve so that's good | 21:36 |
| bnemec | +1 | 21:36 |
| ttx | because the current one has olso and glance all fixed | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | ttx: good point | 21:36 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, i'll file the bug in the next couple minutes and we'll need to figure out which projects are using this. | 21:36 |
| bnemec | Yeah, and this is kind of a different issue. | 21:37 |
| devananda | dhellmann: is this specific to sqlalchemy-migrate? | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I'm not certain | 21:37 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: yes, make it icehouse-rc-potential and add atsks for all affected projects | 21:37 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, if alembic does the same thing, there is code that does the same check | 21:37 |
| ttx | the other OMG bug would be bug 1299349 | 21:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1299349 in neutron "upstream-translation-update Jenkins job failing" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299349 | 21:37 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, just alembic specific | 21:37 |
| markwash | it seems like glance needs this fix in its oslo db as well, since its not normal to ignore the utf8 charset check. . no? | 21:37 |
| ttx | also affects lots of projects | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: let's go ahead and add alembic's migration tracking table to your fix | 21:38 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, i'll verify if alembic has this issue or not and address it in the same fix. | 21:38 |
| bnemec | markwash: You'll need it when you turn on utf8 checking. | 21:38 |
| devananda | morganfainberg: thanks | 21:38 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, well i'll verify and fix the same way and tag you guys in if needed. | 21:38 |
| bnemec | For Icehouse Glance should be okay though. | 21:38 |
| markwash | bnemec: it is on by default IIUC | 21:38 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: ping me with bug number when you have it | 21:38 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, sounds good. | 21:38 |
| ttx | morganfainberg: and thanks for helping coordinate that one | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | markwash: I thought you guys were turning it off in your manager? | 21:38 |
| markwash | dhellmann: we have an option to turn off the utf8 charset check | 21:39 |
| devananda | morganfainberg: quick local check shows ironic's tables as utf8, but alembic_version is latin1 :( | 21:39 |
| markwash | the option defaults to False which means we still run the check | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | markwash: oh, ok, I thought you were just turning it off all the time | 21:39 |
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| ttx | OK, let's continue this off-meeting. Any other OOPS! bug ? | 21:40 |
| ttx | Any other inter-project blocked work that this meeting could help unblock ? | 21:40 |
| morganfainberg | devananda, thanks for the check will make sure you're tagged and alembic check is fixed the same way | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: thanks | 21:40 |
| devananda | ttx: you mentioned i18n stuff earlier | 21:41 |
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| devananda | ttx: i think ironic was afected by the same issues. I posted a few hours ago with some notes on what we did to resolve it | 21:41 |
| devananda | in case that's helpful to other projects | 21:41 |
| ttx | devananda: cool. link to post? | 21:41 |
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| sdague | there is an fyi to the group, the clean log enforcement has now been added to the gate (which was talked about a few weeks back). | 21:42 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031572.html | 21:42 |
| sdague | the allowed dirty list is pretty long at this point - https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tools/check_logs.py#L33-L57 but it's a start | 21:42 |
| ttx | #info clean log enforcement has now been added to the gate | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:42 |
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| ttx | ironic has its RC1 out now | 21:43 |
| devananda | \o/ | 21:43 |
| ttx | marconi is almost there | 21:43 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: how far is sahara ? | 21:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara rc1 should be on Thu as planned | 21:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 looks fine | 21:43 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: so, when you're ready... | 21:44 |
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| ttx | you need to push a version bump to open juno | 21:44 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: setup.cfg must be bumped to 2014.2 | 21:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I already have one in WIP | 21:44 |
| ttx | example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83198/ | 21:44 |
| ttx | Oh, cool | 21:44 |
| ttx | So when you're ready, approve that one | 21:45 |
| ttx | and ping me when it merges | 21:45 |
| ttx | then if you want to do a RC2 you can ping me or create the milestone yourselves | 21:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, any you'll tag rc1 / create m-p after it? | 21:45 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: yes | 21:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, ok, thx | 21:46 |
| ttx | other questions ? | 21:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I hope to be ready for it on Thu afternoon (in our tz) | 21:46 |
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| ttx | I like our tz | 21:46 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:46 |
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| ttx | Anything, anyone ? | 21:46 |
| ttx | Note that the deadline for submitting "Other projects" and "Cross-project workshops" sessions suggestions was advanced to April 10 | 21:47 |
| ttx | #info deadline for submitting "Other projects" and "Cross-project workshops" sessions suggestions was advanced to April 10 | 21:47 |
| ttx | so that we can give early answers | 21:47 |
| ttx | ok, if nobody has anything else to mention... | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | ttx, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1301036 | 21:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1301036 in oslo "openstack.common.db.sqlalchemy.migration utf8 table check issue on initial migration" [Undecided,New] | 21:48 |
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| ttx | morganfainberg: thx! | 21:49 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 21:51:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-01-21.00.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-01-21.00.txt | 21:51 |
| * SergeyLukjanov zzzz | 21:51 | |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-01-21.00.log.html | 21:51 |
| russellb | ttx: thanks! | 21:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thank you | 21:51 |
| ttx | thanks all | 21:51 |
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| dhellmann | thanks! | 21:53 |
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