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| stevebaker | PSA, the heat meeting is in #openstack-meeting-alt now | 00:00 |
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| liang | thanks | 00:01 |
| spzala | stevebaker: cool. thx! | 00:01 |
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| sdake | o/ | 00:02 |
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| Daisy | Hi, epico | 06:59 |
| epico | Hi | 06:59 |
| Daisy | I think more people will join in several minutes. | 07:00 |
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| Daisy | I hope I didn't make the wrong time. :) | 07:01 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 07:02:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:02 |
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| Daisy | Hello again. | 07:02 |
| jpich | Hello | 07:02 |
| epico | Hello | 07:03 |
| Daisy | :) | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Nice to have you two. | 07:03 |
| Daisy | So let's start the discussion. | 07:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Horizon translation | 07:03 |
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| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/ | 07:03 |
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| Daisy | In order to support Horizion translation for Icehouse release, there are several things we need to do. | 07:04 |
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| Daisy | 1. Scripts | 07:04 |
| chandan_kumar | hola! | 07:04 |
| Daisy | We may need two scripts: We may need two: Proposal translation to Transifex, and upstream translation to Git. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | Hello, chandan_kumar . We just started. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | For the first one, there is a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68042/ | 07:05 |
| Daisy | waiting for approval. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | After this patch is merged, the translation resources in Transifex could be updated automatically, synchronized with Horizon master branch now. | 07:06 |
| Daisy | Each update of Horizon master branch, new version of po files will be generated and updated in Transifex. | 07:06 |
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| Daisy | Just a reminder, since after RC1, icehouse release will switch to "icehouse" branch, right, jpich ? | 07:07 |
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| jpich | Daisy: That's my understanding, yes - there will be a stable/icehouse branch | 07:07 |
| jpich | and master will become juno | 07:08 |
| Daisy | So we need to disable the automation synchronization at that time. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | Although I don't know how to disable a Jenkins job now. | 07:08 |
| jpich | Right, I'm not sure either | 07:08 |
| jpich | That sounds like a question for the infra folks, I'm sure they'll be happy to help | 07:09 |
| Daisy | The second script "upstream translation to Git" is not ready yet. It will propose a patch to git. Somebody needs to approve the patch before it could be merged. Still, it should relate with master before RC1 and switch to stable/icehouse after RC1. | 07:09 |
| Daisy | I would like to be the owner of these two scripts. | 07:10 |
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| jpich | Daisy: Actually, maybe we don't need to disable the infra script - we can simply disable Transifex automatic po file sync? | 07:10 |
| Daisy | jpich: I don't know if it is possible | 07:11 |
| jpich | I thought we did this before | 07:11 |
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| Daisy | Before, the Horizon update in Transifex was implemented by a checkbox in Transifex. Now it doesn't. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | The resources in Transfiex don't link to files in Git now. | 07:12 |
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| Daisy | So I think it's not able to disable it by uncheck the checkbox. | 07:12 |
| jpich | Ok! I should take the time to understand the first script better :) Thanks for the explanation! | 07:12 |
| * fifieldt wanders in | 07:12 | |
| Daisy | welcome, fifieldt | 07:13 |
| jpich | o/ | 07:13 |
| Daisy | jpich proposed to take "Translation impact" into consideration. | 07:13 |
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| Daisy | I think we could, but it's low priority that the above two scripts. | 07:13 |
| Daisy | We could follow what "Doc impact" did. | 07:14 |
| fifieldt | TranslationImpact would not be hard to code | 07:14 |
| Daisy | Great, fifieldt ! | 07:14 |
| Daisy | You are master. | 07:14 |
| fifieldt | the hard bit is getting people to use it :) | 07:14 |
| jpich | I'm not sure the TranslationImpact tag would work very well because it's only relevant to a specific time period | 07:14 |
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| fifieldt | would it only be used after String fgreeze? | 07:14 |
| jpich | Yes, that's my understanding | 07:14 |
| Daisy | I agree. | 07:15 |
| jpich | Otherwise it would be a lot of spam during the development cycle :) | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | How did the string changes after string freeze work last cycle? | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | it was my impression that we got emails | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | with information about the changes | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | since the reviewers are already instructed to do so | 07:15 |
| DeeJay1 | IMHO the translation impact should only be done on the proposed and stable branches, so it won't spam (and hi BTW ;) | 07:15 |
| jpich | There may have been some heads-up from people monitoring the patches coming in | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | having a TranslationImpact tag could have the opposite effect to what we want | 07:16 |
| Daisy | Last release, Akihiro will send email to I18n ML to inform us the strings were changed. | 07:16 |
| fifieldt | it could make it more easy to justify string changes | 07:16 |
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| fifieldt | which is not ideal :) | 07:16 |
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| jpich | I don't think the tag will work because it's so dependent on when the patch is merged - if a patch was submitted before FF it wouldn't have the tag but need it | 07:17 |
| fifieldt | yeah, that's another good point | 07:17 |
| fifieldt | I think the more important part about string freeze is preventing strings from changing, rather than communicating that they have changed | 07:17 |
| jpich | and then if a patch doesn't get merged in time, authors would need to update their commit or confusing emails would be sent | 07:17 |
| fifieldt | a good point | 07:17 |
| * DeeJay1 would like to have blocking i18n reviews on the gates | 07:17 | |
| Daisy | so no need to work on "TranslationImpact"? | 07:18 |
| jpich | I don't think so | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | perhaps we can monitor how the communiication works during this period | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | and make a decision later | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | if the communication is bad, maybe we need to do something | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | but if it's OK | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | then maybe we can be lazy | 07:18 |
| fifieldt | ? | 07:18 |
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| Daisy | If the automation synchronization is enabled, somebody could see the completion rate is changed from 100% to 99%, or some number less than 100%. | 07:19 |
| jpich | We discussed last time, especially in Horizon there's going to be a number of small changes between now and RC in the strings for sure | 07:19 |
| jpich | Because bug fixes add new error messages, etc | 07:19 |
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| Daisy | Yes, especially some bugs with I18n tag are reported. | 07:20 |
| Daisy | so decision is: we still use communication, other than automation email notification. | 07:20 |
| jpich | My impression is that the communication is good and when it isn't people are willing to learn to avoid making i18n's folks' lives harder - though I may be biased :) | 07:20 |
| Daisy | OK. then. | 07:21 |
| Daisy | Next, we also need to complete horizon messages translation | 07:21 |
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| Daisy | From my point of view, it's not a big workload, for those languages released in last version. | 07:22 |
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| Daisy | I think, there are not a big number of new strings added. | 07:22 |
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| Daisy | But for the languages without a good base, it will be a big workload. | 07:22 |
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| Daisy | There is no specific date for RC1 release yet. | 07:23 |
| Daisy | it is guess it could happen at the end of March. | 07:23 |
| fifieldt | that sounds right | 07:24 |
| Daisy | So the end of March may be a checkpoint for us to finish the translation. | 07:24 |
| jpich | From https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule I think it will be around March 25th | 07:24 |
| fifieldt | RC time starts on March 27 | 07:24 |
| Daisy | OK. So let's make the time as March 24 for our translators to finish the translation. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | From my experiences in last release, some language teams may not catch this checkpoint. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | Some languages team may check our deadline, that is before the last RC. | 07:26 |
| Daisy | may catch our deadline, that is before the last RC. | 07:26 |
| Daisy | So anyway, we push the team to finish the translation before March 24, especially for these languages with good base. | 07:27 |
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| Daisy | We welcome more language to be released in Icehouse | 07:27 |
| Daisy | That cloud show our "improvement". | 07:28 |
| Daisy | czech & German has a good base too, more than 50% have been translated. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | We need to broadcast to community ML, to promote Horizon translations. | 07:30 |
| Daisy | Next thing is about "I18n Test and bug report" | 07:30 |
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| Daisy | Last release, Akihiro provided a test website, which was proved to be a big help for translators to review and to test. | 07:31 |
| Daisy | I will see if he could provide the same test website for this release. | 07:31 |
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| Daisy | OK. That's all things in my mind about Horizon message translation. | 07:32 |
| jpich | The test site may also be something we want to work with infra to provide in the future, since it's so important | 07:32 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: please tell him that if he needs resources I got a physical machine idling which handles the docs build | 07:32 |
| Daisy | great, DeeJay1 . | 07:32 |
| Daisy | jpich, you are right, but I don't know if it's in the scope of openstack infra. | 07:33 |
| Daisy | and, it is only used for a short period too. | 07:33 |
| DeeJay1 | jpich: well, just running seperate jobs for the docs hit opposition :/ | 07:34 |
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| jpich | DeeJay1: Really? I wasn't aware :/ | 07:34 |
| jpich | In my mind they provide all sorts of magical support to all the OpenStack projects that need it, but I guess there are limits | 07:34 |
| jpich | May still be worth having a chat just to check :) But as long as we have volunteers to maintain this, it's not a problem | 07:35 |
| Daisy | :) | 07:35 |
| Daisy | Are there anything I missed for Horizon translation? | 07:36 |
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| Daisy | if no, let's move to next topic. | 07:36 |
| Daisy | #topic "installation guide" translation and publish | 07:36 |
| fifieldt | it sounds good | 07:36 |
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| Daisy | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/resource/install-guide/ | 07:37 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: BTW https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1277873 | 07:37 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: thanks for reminder. I will put it to my TODO list. | 07:37 |
| Daisy | bad memory for me now. | 07:38 |
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| DeeJay1 | Daisy: I fear we'll get many more strings to fix on transifex when that bug is fixed | 07:38 |
| Daisy | there will be a new project related with it, DeeJay1. And the messages translation besides Horizon are not started, actually. | 07:39 |
| Daisy | a new project in Transifex. | 07:39 |
| Daisy | can we go back to installation guide translation? | 07:40 |
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| Daisy | From the progress, Japanese and Korean are almost finished. Chinese and German are more than half. | 07:40 |
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| Daisy | I promise to finish the translation in March and I hope the website for Korean and Chinese could be ready before the summit. | 07:41 |
| Daisy | fifieldt: I remember you mentioned the installation guide that we are translating now is for Icehouse, and there are still changes from time to time. | 07:41 |
| Daisy | When do you think it could be finalized? | 07:41 |
| fifieldt | this is true | 07:41 |
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| fifieldt | the aim is before release | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | certainly all of the major work will be done before then | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | the only major work going into the install guide is in the neutron section | 07:42 |
| Daisy | so my aim is to publish the Japanese, Korean and Chinese version at the same time when the English version is finallized. | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | for all of the other sections, it is mainly tweaks in the sections we see as <placeholder> | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | and also deleting some unnecessary steps | 07:43 |
| fifieldt | it is unlikely new steps will be added outside neutron | 07:43 |
| fifieldt | sounds good | 07:43 |
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| Daisy | great! | 07:43 |
| Daisy | I had a chat with David Cramer, the developer of Maven plugin. | 07:44 |
| fifieldt | I am marking cli-guide as no longer accepting translations | 07:44 |
| fifieldt | it seems it has been deleted | 07:44 |
| Daisy | Now the plugin can only support Japanese and Chinese font. | 07:44 |
| Daisy | But he promise to make it support Korean font in this month. | 07:44 |
| fifieldt | great! | 07:44 |
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| Daisy | fifieldt: I think version management is also necessary for documentation too. Just as what I did for Horizon, horizon has Havana version and master version. | 07:45 |
| Daisy | I mean, the translation. | 07:45 |
| fifieldt | for some of the books, yes | 07:45 |
| Daisy | Horizon will have Icehouse version soon. | 07:45 |
| Daisy | Which books don't need versions? | 07:46 |
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| fifieldt | the ones that are 'contiuously published; | 07:46 |
| fifieldt | eg image-guide | 07:47 |
| Daisy | so these books are always the latest version? | 07:47 |
| fifieldt | yes | 07:47 |
| fifieldt | high-availability-guide | 07:47 |
| fifieldt | and some of the others | 07:47 |
| fifieldt | it might be worth talking to annegentle to clarify plans | 07:47 |
| Daisy | ok. After installation guide is finalized, will it move to a stable branch? | 07:48 |
| fifieldt | yes | 07:48 |
| Daisy | Now all the synchronization in Transifex are related with master branch. | 07:48 |
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| Daisy | ok. I will put it in my mind. it may cause some issue. | 07:49 |
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| Daisy | I think I need to merge the po files into manuals repository manually. | 07:50 |
| fifieldt | Daisy, AJaeger is also available to discuss the build job failure :) | 07:50 |
| AJaeger | Hi! | 07:50 |
| Daisy | Hi, AJaeger | 07:51 |
| AJaeger | error message is " Pushing translations for resource openstack-manuals-i18n.cli-reference: - https://www.transifex.com/api/2/project/openstack-manuals-i18n/resource/cli-reference/stats/ NOT FOUND" | 07:51 |
| AJaeger | so, my guess is that needs to be created in transifex. | 07:51 |
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| Daisy | Yes, it's not in the Transifex now. | 07:52 |
| AJaeger | so, can we do a manual creation/import? | 07:52 |
| Daisy | AJaeger, could you tell me the context where you will use this project? In my mind, if it's in manuals, it could be automatic created by some jobs. | 07:52 |
| AJaeger | This is about openstack-manuals. | 07:53 |
| AJaeger | We seldom create new manuals, so an automatic job might be overkill. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | I think it could be automatic created by script: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/jenkins/files/slave_scripts/upstream_translation_update_manuals.sh | 07:55 |
| Daisy | Yes, understand. | 07:55 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, sure, go ahead and enhance ;) | 07:56 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: I found there was no locale folder in cli-reference. | 07:56 |
| Daisy | I will take a look at it after meeting. | 07:56 |
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| Daisy | #topic: open discussion | 07:57 |
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| Daisy | anything to discuss here? | 07:57 |
| epico | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/log-messages-id | 07:57 |
| epico | Could I update the blueprint? | 07:57 |
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| epico | Whiteboard section. | 07:58 |
| Daisy | Yes, you could, epico | 07:58 |
| epico | Daisy, Okay :) | 07:58 |
| Daisy | Do you have right to do it？ | 07:58 |
| * epico dunno it... | 07:58 | |
| Daisy | Let me put you as the draft, not sure if I have right too. | 07:58 |
| Daisy | drafter. | 07:58 |
| epico | Daisy, thanks. | 07:59 |
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| jpich | A question for DeeJay1: you mentioned wishing for the ability to block reviews for i18n reasons. For what kind of reviews and problems? (So I can watch out for it) | 07:59 |
| jpich | Daisy, epico: I think everyone can update blueprint whiteboards but the other fields are usually protected | 08:00 |
| epico | jpich, thanks, I see. | 08:00 |
| Daisy | thanks for the clarify. | 08:00 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: could you answer jpich's question? I'm curious too. | 08:01 |
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| jpich | Tip: It's good practice to put your name and the date before your changes in the whiteboard so people know who added the comment :-) | 08:01 |
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| epico | Sure :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | I think, DeeJay1 may be not around now. I'm going to close the meeting. We can discuss offline. | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all for your time. | 08:02 |
| jpich | Or writing a very long answer ;) Maybe we can discuss on list | 08:02 |
| jpich | Thanks! | 08:02 |
| jpich | Or in #openstack-translation | 08:02 |
| epico | Thanks! | 08:02 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 08:02:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-03-06-07.02.html | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-03-06-07.02.txt | 08:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-03-06-07.02.log.html | 08:02 |
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| enikanorov | neutron lbaas meeting in 3 minutes | 13:58 |
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| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 14:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | hi, who is online for lbaas meeting? | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: hi | 14:04 |
| jorgem | hi there | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov | looks like we don't have a quorum for the meeting yet | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: do you have any questions on lbaas? | 14:05 |
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| jorgem | Well, first I wanted to introduce myself | 14:05 |
| jorgem | I am Jorge Miramontes, Team Lead of Software Development for LBaaS at Rackspace. | 14:05 |
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| jorgem | Some of the devs on my team have been in the IRC channel asking questions as we are looking to get involved with you guys! | 14:06 |
| edhall | hi | 14:06 |
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| s3wong | hello | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: cool, good to see you here | 14:07 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: What do you think is the best way to start participating with Neutron LBaaS? | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | An email may suffice | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: get familiar with the current state of the code, participate in ML discussions and meetings | 14:07 |
| jorgem | sounds good. I'll mostly be listening in on the meeting but just wanted to make you aware of our intenetions | 14:08 |
| jorgem | intentions* | 14:08 |
| thurloat | o/ | 14:08 |
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| swat30 | o/ | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | ok. so I was expecting some folks to discuss object model proposal | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | e.g. continue the discussion from the mailing list | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | have you folks read those proposals? do you have any questions or concerns about them? | 14:09 |
| vjay | hi enikanorov | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov | hi vjay | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | hi blogan | 14:09 |
| blogan | hi enikanorv | 14:09 |
| blogan | and enikanorov | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov | ok, so let me then once again introduce everyone to the problem that we have been discussing recently | 14:10 |
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| enikanorov | right now we have such object model and public API that your loadbalancer can have one pool (group of nodes) and one VIP | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | we need to extend the model and the API to support 2 important use cases: | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov | 1) ability for 1 pool to have several endpoints with the same IP address | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov | 2) ability for one VIP to balancer traffic to different pools using L7 protocol rules | 14:12 |
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| jorgem | To clarify, endpoint = node address? If so, the distinction would be on the node port? | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | endpoint is synonym of VIP | 14:13 |
| jorgem | thanks | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov | i intentionally didn't use the word VIP because right now the VIP references neutron port, e.g. IP address | 14:14 |
| thurloat | endpoint seems like a better name, since will extend the VIP model to include port and hostname information and have the address reused across multiple VIPs. | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | and just saying the we want multiple VIPs for one pool needs clarification that in fact we want to be able to share 1 port | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | and create VIPs with different tcp ports and protocols | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | thurloat: the proposed name for that is 'Listener' | 14:15 |
| vjay | thanks for making it clear on the usecase and terminologies. if you dont mind could you elaborate on the proposals. | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | basically we have 2 models (object models and corresponding API) to address usecases #1 and #2 | 14:15 |
| thurloat | Is the current proposal at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LBaaS/CoreResourceModel/proposal ? That's what I'm looking at now for reference. | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | thurloat: no, it's existing model | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | let me give a link | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion | 14:17 |
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| enikanorov | one proposal is model in 3 or 4.1 (diagrams are similar, cluster and loadbalancer objects on 4.1 are not related to the discussion) | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | so picture 4.1 would be more accurate | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | another proposal is in the following document: | 14:18 |
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| enikanorov | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1D-1n8nCEFurYzvEBxIRfXfffnImcIPwWSctAG-NXonY/edit#heading=h.3rvy5drl5b5r | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | the object model is a kind of overloaded with auxiliary objects, but we're mostly interested in VIPs/Pools/members | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | others could be skipped from the discussion | 14:19 |
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| samuelbercovici | hello | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | hi Sam | 14:20 |
| jorgem | Is the object model for the API side as well as the internal domain or just for the internal domain of Neturon LBaaS? | 14:20 |
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| vjay | this contains only 2 proposals - loadbalancer instance and vip centric (listener) to solve the problem. If I understand right Sam also made a proposal which does change the current model much | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: it overlaps with public API | 14:20 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: thanks | 14:21 |
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| samuelbercovici | vjay: I think you mean to say does not change the current model much | 14:21 |
| enikanorov | vjay: Sam's proposal doesn't add Listener resource | 14:21 |
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| enikanorov | vjay: existing model changed in the sense that pools and vips relation is changed to m:n instead of being 1:1 | 14:21 |
| swat30 | enikanorov: why has the LB instance model been disregarded? or has it? | 14:22 |
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| vjay | sam: yes, *does not | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | swat30: community prefer to work in the scope of vips and pools mostly, as I understand it | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | basically, VIP-centric proposal is very similar to LB instance | 14:23 |
| edhall | enikanorov, is there a proposal for the api? | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov | edhall: the API is implied, actually. | 14:23 |
| edhall | I'm used to working from user stories to api to object model and not the other way around... | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov | so right now we have to chose between the VIP-centric proposal (Vips/listeners/pools), and Sam's proposal (Vips/pools) | 14:24 |
| blogan | i think a load balancer instance is more clear to a user though | 14:24 |
| swat30 | I agree | 14:24 |
| swat30 | and maintains backwards compat | 14:24 |
| swat30 | which is nice | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: what do you think about working with lb instance? | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: btc, the code that introduces the instance is already on review and went through a number of iterations | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | and it will preserve VIP/pools resources | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | and everything you've planned (L7 stuff bound to Vips) | 14:26 |
| samuelbercovici | the chalenge was that lb instance adhers to some notion of implied backend | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | no neccessarily | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | *not | 14:27 |
| swat30 | also, could the listener not be introduced into the lb instance solution, which would be attached to a VIP? | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | both Mark McClain and Salvatore oppused this | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | that's purely a logical concept | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | *opposed | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | no, I believe salv-orlando didn't opposed this | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | we don't expose any mapping or any notion of the backend | 14:28 |
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| samuelbercovici | we can restart this all over again and see if Mark or anyone else is now more open to this | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | so from API perspective when you want to reuse port, instead of providing vip_id, you provide lb_id | 14:28 |
| enikanorov | not much of a difference | 14:29 |
| samuelbercovici | to me, tenant, specificaly specifying to which lb-instance a vip belongs is a constarint | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | tenant only needs it if he want to reuse the port | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov | that's exactly the same as in your proposal | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov | if he don't care about the port - no need to provide lb_id | 14:30 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: so can two different IPs be associated to the same lb-insatnce. For example, can 1.1.1.1:80 and 2.2.2.2.80 be associated to the same lb-instance? | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | If it helps, I was heavily involved in the Atlas API spec with Youcef (Citrix). So, if you have questions for the notion of lb instance I'd be happy to help out. As of right now I need to get a better understanding of the proposals though | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: i think that could be a limitation of the driver. from API perspective - yes, they can | 14:31 |
| vjay | enikanorov, i am a little bit confused here.. which port is this? | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | port is neutron port, not tcp | 14:31 |
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| vjay | why are we talking about neutron port? | 14:32 |
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| vjay | is it created automatically? | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | because we need neutron port to plug vip into the network | 14:32 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: so this leads to tenants using lb instances as scheduling | 14:32 |
| swat30 | I think that the VIP should be similar to the notion of a floating IP, easier to understand from a tenant's perspective IMO | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | if we want same IP, but different tcp port, we need to work with the same neutron port | 14:32 |
| swat30 | can come and go | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: what do you mean? | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | swat30: not sure I get the idea, please explain | 14:33 |
| samuelbercovici | If as a tenant I can say 1.1.1.1:80 and 2.2.2.2.80 are on the same lb-instance (note: those are two different VIPs and Services) yjam this means I expec them both on the same place | 14:33 |
| samuelbercovici | this is somthing a tenant should not be exposed to | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov | what you, as a tenant think of as a 'same place'? | 14:34 |
| samuelbercovici | what does lb-instance mean? | 14:34 |
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| jorgem | In my mind an lb-instance is a virtual lb. | 14:35 |
| jorgem | Like a virtual box | 14:35 |
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| enikanorov | it means you unit of logical configuration. that, for instance, offers particular SLA, connected to particular router | 14:35 |
| swat30 | enikanorov: I think that the VIP solution puts too much emphasis on the IP itself. As a tenant, I want to think of it as a LB that I can change IPs as easily as I can change pool members etc | 14:35 |
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| swat30 | jorgem: my thoughts exactly | 14:36 |
| enikanorov | swat30: you can change it | 14:36 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: currently the IP can't be changed after VIP creation | 14:36 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: well, yes, we need more specific definition in neutron terms | 14:36 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: that could be implemented | 14:37 |
| jorgem | swat30: So from an object model perspective though should there be an 'lb-instance' object? | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | but you're right, looks like it's not there right now | 14:37 |
| samuelbercovici | jorgem: the notion of a virtual lb is an implementation specific | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: so I'm trying to understand, what kind of information we need to 'hide' from the tenant | 14:37 |
| swat30 | jorgem: just like in the LB instance solution, yes | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: lb instance is for grouping resources | 14:38 |
| samuelbercovici | as a tenat why should I care if 1.1.1.1:80 and 2.2.2.2:80 reside on the same virtual instance? | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: you use vip_id for that | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | i'm going to use lb_id for that | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: you should not | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | and if you don't - don't group them | 14:38 |
| samuelbercovici | so why should i be able to say that 1.1.1.1:80 and 2.2.2.2:80 are associate to the same lb-instance if as jorgem implies this represent a virtual applaince? | 14:39 |
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| swat30 | samuelbercovici: maybe as a tenant I have multiple clients/apps that need LBs for different parts. Each client/app will belong to a lb-instance | 14:40 |
| swat30 | as an example | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | why should not you be able? If you care. I don't see why we need to limit that | 14:40 |
| samuelbercovici | i understand why 1.1.1.1:80 and 1.1.1.1:443 will be in most common cases served on the same back-end | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | yes, in that case you will care | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | and you'll group | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | in other case - that doesn't matter | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov | every driver may limit that on driver level, prohibiting to add vips on 2.2.2.2 | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | but from API perspective - let user decide if he cares | 14:41 |
| thurloat | enikanorov agreed. | 14:41 |
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| vjay | so is it allowed to have the same ip 1.1.1.1:9999 as part of another lb instance? | 14:42 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: I agree with that too. API should just abstract the backend. (i.e. simplify it for the API user) | 14:42 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: so again, I think tghis is not what a tenant should control. | 14:42 |
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| swat30 | samuelbercovici: why not? | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: but in your proposal tenant controls it as well | 14:42 |
| edhall | instead of specifying the backend, what I would like to see is the ability to specify capacity (e.g. peak bandwidth) and have the appropriate backend choosen | 14:42 |
| thurloat | in swat30's example, is a perfect one for why a user would want to control that | 14:43 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: in my proposal they only allow specifying IP reuse not grouping of different IPs | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: don't you see providing vip_id of existing VIP for the new VIP does the same? | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: API of your proposal doesn't limit that | 14:43 |
| enikanorov | but that could be limited on driver level | 14:44 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: yes it does, passing the vip_id_1 to a new vip means reusing th IP, a new IP will not be allowed | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov | well, if you insist, i don't see why we can't do exectly the same limitation for the lb instance | 14:44 |
| swat30 | could be done via policy maybe? | 14:45 |
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| enikanorov | the use case of grouping different IPs is not important so i don't care much about that | 14:45 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: in that case what is the difference between lb-instance-->vip and vip-->listener ? | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | besides naming convention? | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | exactly, there's none. except names of resources | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | with lb instance bw compatibility is even simpler than VIP+listener | 14:46 |
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| swat30 | enikanorov: I could see the grouping being important for certain use cases as well. I think that it logically makes sense for users that need it, and users that don't won't use it | 14:48 |
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| vjay | enikanorov: can one IP be used in many lb instances? | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | swat30: that's my opinion too, I don't quite understand why we can't be flexible here | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov | vjay: i don't think so | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | i mean, within 1 subnet - no | 14:49 |
| vjay | that seems to tie some physical aspect to it then | 14:49 |
| vjay | jorgem: how was in atlas? | 14:49 |
| jorgem | vjay: atlas allowed shared ips | 14:49 |
| jorgem | vjay: but different port | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: different tcp port you mean? | 14:50 |
| jorgem | correct | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:50 |
| vjay | ok. so the notion of VIP remained as Virtual IP (without any tcp port). | 14:50 |
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| vjay | and whenever an endpoint is created | 14:50 |
| vjay | you specify the Virtual IP. | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | right now it is both. | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | ip+tcp port | 14:51 |
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| jorgem | yes so port was tied to the lb-instance object while vip was able to be shared amongst instances | 14:51 |
| jorgem | lb 1: 1.2.3.4:80 vs lb 2 :1.2.3.4:443 for example | 14:52 |
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| jorgem | or whatever port the user chose | 14:52 |
| enikanorov | it's something we may want to explore, but from impl perspective, I don't see much sense in splitting those between to lbs | 14:52 |
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| swat30 | jorgem: I think that can be accomplished with multiple pools, no? | 14:52 |
| jorgem | correct for http/ssl it makes sense to group them | 14:52 |
| vjay | i agree | 14:53 |
| jorgem | I need to wrap my head on the new definition of terms because atlas had slightly different definitions for vip, pool. node, etc. | 14:53 |
| swat30 | jorgem: are you referencing this at all? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion | 14:54 |
| jorgem | yes, but I think I need a day to get up to speed on things | 14:54 |
| jorgem | sorry for the ignorance! | 14:54 |
| swat30 | :) | 14:54 |
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| jorgem | hopefully then I can bring in my atlas experience in a more fruitful manner | 14:55 |
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| jorgem | enikanorov: For right now though the two proposals are 3 and 4.1 correct? | 14:55 |
| thurloat | jorgem we're talking the Loadbalancer instance solution vs. the VIP centric right now | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | well, looking at the discussion above, I think we may also consider #2 | 14:56 |
| jorgem | so 2 vs 3 then | 14:56 |
| jorgem | 2,3,and 4.1 lol | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | so it creates 3 options | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov | 3 and 4.1 are same (except for HA stuff that we're not discussing) | 14:57 |
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| thurloat | well 3 and 4.1 revolve around the same vip core | 14:57 |
| jorgem | sounds good. I'll make sure to look at all 3 then | 14:57 |
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| samuelbercovici | also 1.1 | 14:57 |
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| enikanorov | yep, 1.1 | 14:57 |
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| samuelbercovici | jorgem: please also review my proposal unde 1.1 | 14:58 |
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| jorgem | will do | 14:58 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: so if we att the same limitations to lb instance API as you are planning for 1.1 - that, I think, could address both your and mine concerns | 14:58 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: can you please update your proposal on the wiki as it currently does not reflecet this? I would also | 14:59 |
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| samuelbercovici | think on a differen anme than lb-instance | 14:59 |
| enikanorov | ok, I will | 14:59 |
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| vjay | enikanorov: sorry about ignorance. one quick question, do you want some aspect of neutron port represented in the lbinstance.vip? will that solve the problem? | 14:59 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: right now it is 'loadbalancer' | 14:59 |
| vjay | the problem of placing the VIP? | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov | vjay: neutron port probably goes from VIP to instance | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | ok folks, thanks everyone for attending | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 15:00:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-03-06-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-03-06-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-03-06-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| blogan | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 15:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| jorgem | one last thing | 15:00 |
| swat30 | great meeting folks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| thurloat | thanks all o/ | 15:01 |
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| edhall | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| jorgem | Out of curiosity is anyone intereseted in a mini-summit? I would be willing to try and set something up | 15:01 |
| jorgem | before Atlanta of course | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer | 15:02 |
| jorgem | I guess I didn't beat the buzzer lol | 15:02 |
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| lsmola | hello | 15:02 |
| jd__ | #topic Milestone status icehouse-3 | 15:02 |
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| samuelbercovici | lets switch to opensatck-neutron to discuss further | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | so the branch has been cut and i3 is going to be released anytime now | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | \o/ :) | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | thanks everyone for helping | 15:03 |
| jd__ | we're now in feature freeze, so please don't approve any patch that is not a bug fix | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | woo! | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | we've been granted a FFE for the VMware part that is not completely merged but should be soon | 15:03 |
| jd__ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/vmware-vcenter-server | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | any question on that topic? | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: any news? | 15:05 |
| _nadya_ | hi all! | 15:05 |
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| sileht | I have got merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78537/ this morning | 15:05 |
| _nadya_ | we are fighting with notifications :) | 15:06 |
| sileht | I wait zuul to see if it fixes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64136/ | 15:06 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: did you get debug logging enabled? | 15:06 |
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| sileht | _nadya_, did you get my comments about notifications and pipeline interval ? | 15:06 |
| _nadya_ | nova-notification tests pass on postgress-full but doesn't on mysql | 15:06 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: I suggested patch to devstack, yes | 15:07 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:07 |
| _nadya_ | sileht: thanks for comments! but I think that polling interval will not help because it's notification | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | and we eventually have reproduced the issue on "the same env" | 15:08 |
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| _nadya_ | and it is reproduced only with all tests. run only our one test is successful | 15:08 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: on "the same env" outside of the CI infrastructure? | 15:09 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: yes. we've created vm in rackspace and using gating scripts have created the same env | 15:10 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: ... so you could control the debug config option for that any way you like? | 15:10 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: yep. I think we are close to solution :) | 15:10 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: excellent! | 15:10 |
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| _nadya_ | I think that's all from my side. Vadim is preparing new patches for cinder and neutron notifications | 15:11 |
| _nadya_ | thanks for your help sileht, eglynn and gordc! | 15:12 |
| eglynn | np! | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | cool, moving on then :) | 15:13 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | wait until the patches for new core features are all landed | 15:13 |
| jd__ | sounds like a plan | 15:13 |
| eglynn | time contrained alarms, selectable aggregates, complex queries etc. | 15:13 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:13 |
| jd__ | let's try to have a release before/in time for rc1 :) | 15:14 |
| eglynn | yes, that would be wise | 15:14 |
| jd__ | #topic Outreach Program for Women interns for Ceilometer? | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | hm I don't see terriyu | 15:14 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2014/MayAugust#Schedule | 15:15 |
| jd__ | though FWIW I received a mail a few days ago about someone wanting to participate | 15:15 |
| eglynn | by that schedule time is getting short for new contributors to rock on up to the project and get something proposed on gerrit | 15:15 |
| jd__ | I didn't get any news since a couple of days though | 15:15 |
| jd__ | eglynn: we managed that same timeframe and time of the year for terri last year | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | and it was pretty good, though not that easy | 15:16 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool | 15:16 |
| jd__ | I think it's never easy anyway :( | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | I think that if anybody has a something in mind that could be done by intern, i.e. a small blueprint, let me know | 15:16 |
| _nadya_ | do we need to suggest areas for interns? tasks? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | _nadya_: small tasks/bugs are good to have them starting, and then a small blueprint for the actual intership is great | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | and having a mentor is great too | 15:17 |
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| _nadya_ | jd__: tests for tempest is not ok? :) | 15:17 |
| jd__ | _nadya_: it's more a infinite set of tasks :) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | yeah something more self-contained is better | 15:18 |
| jd__ | it could be though, but I'm not sure it's that thrilling and it's also not directly contributing to Ceilometer, but rather Tempest | 15:18 |
| eglynn | with a definite start, middle and end ;) | 15:18 |
| jd__ | so just keep that in mind an feel free to fill the OPW wiki with ideas | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | #topic change semantics of first & last sample timestamps in API resource representation? See LP 1288372 for details | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1288372 | 15:20 |
| eglynn | ok so the basic problem is that GET /v2/resources is just too darn slow :( | 15:20 |
| eglynn | big O(db.meter.count) as opposed to big O(db.resource.count) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | ... where db.meter.count >> db.resource.count | 15:21 |
| eglynn | ... /me butchers the notation ... ;) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | previously it was too darn greedy for memory | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | (when based on the mongo aggregation framework) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | but after I rebased it on a map-reduce, the fundamental problem remains | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | i.e. walking the entire meter collection to retrieve data about a much smaller number of resources | 15:22 |
| eglynn | so we have a couple of related bugs ... | 15:22 |
| eglynn | mongo - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1288372 | 15:22 |
| eglynn | sqlalchmey - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1264434 | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | banana ? | 15:23 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: is there a solution to that problem rather than dropping this piece of info? | 15:23 |
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| _nadya_ | hehe, in HBase we do vice versa. get meters from resources | 15:24 |
| jd__ | and other than "API v3" :) | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | not so much dropping | 15:24 |
| eglynn | more *redefining* the semantic of {first|last}_sample_timestamp | 15:24 |
| eglynn | (to be the timestamps for the 1st and last samples ever seen for this resource) | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | it's a more subtle change to the API that just cutting out those fields | 15:25 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think that would work for me | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cool :) | 15:25 |
| jd__ | I mean I can't see any downside as an API consumer | 15:25 |
| eglynn | in any case the first and last timestamps can't have been that important to callers as they were mistakenly left out of the Resource representation initially | 15:25 |
| jd__ | if first_timestamp is < to the timestamp I passed in the query, I'm smart enough to understand that my timestamp is included | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | timestamp and computer 101 | 15:26 |
| eglynn | so the aspect I wasn't so sure about was the migration question | 15:26 |
| eglynn | we don't currently have any formal migrations for mongo | 15:26 |
| jd__ | it's NoSQL, we don't need it | 15:27 |
| eglynn | it's all don thru name-mapping, old versus new etc. | 15:27 |
| eglynn | but we could derive a first sample timestamp for each resource doc in the resource collection using a once-off query on the meter collection | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | for new resources this would set when the resource doc is upserted | 15:28 |
| eglynn | but for pre-existing resources, there would be no good default | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | similarly for the last timestamp on old resources that we don't see any more fresh samples for | 15:29 |
| eglynn | a once-off batch update could set all those values for all existing resource docs | 15:29 |
| eglynn | ... is that a wacky idea for mongo? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | not sure it's really worth it imho | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | jd__: fair enough | 15:30 |
| eglynn | I'll go ahead and target https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1288372 for icehouse-rc1 then | 15:30 |
| eglynn | ... that's all I have on that topic | 15:31 |
| jd__ | sounds like a plan :) | 15:31 |
| jd__ | thanks eglynn | 15:31 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:31 |
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| llu-laptop | hi guys, I have some concerns of the patch https://review.openstack.org/74702 of the FFE BP VmSphere and want to hear your opinions. | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: why didn't you put it in the review? | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | it introduced a new MemoryUsagePollster and its corresponding inspector method which is not supported by libvirt inspector now. | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | ok, I'll do that | 15:32 |
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| _nadya_ | I have a question about "fix order in assertEqual" | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | ah yes, we were supposed to get that landed last thing before i3 | 15:33 |
| _nadya_ | As I understood we have a plan to merge it after feature-freeze? | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: mayyyyybe | 15:34 |
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| llu-laptop | I think fix order is just code refactoring | 15:34 |
| llu-laptop | can't land in rc1? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | yeah the idea was to leave it last on the i3 queue to avoid more featureful patches needing to be rebased | 15:34 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it'll be in rc1 not i3 | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yep the i3 ship has sailed | 15:34 |
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| terriyu | sorry I was late to the meeting, did you already talk about interns? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | terriyu: yes | 15:35 |
| eglynn | terriyu: backlog here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-03-06-15.00.log.txt | 15:35 |
| _nadya_ | jd__, eglynn, let's merge it :) | 15:35 |
| jd__ | terriyu: feel free to add more content if you have more to say :) | 15:36 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: yes I think it would be worth getting in for RC1 | 15:36 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I was talking about vmsphere sorry | 15:36 |
| terriyu | jd__: sorry again for being late. I was sleeping in and forgot about the early meeting. | 15:36 |
| jd__ | I don't care about this assertEqual stuff | 15:36 |
| eglynn | jd__: a-ha, ok | 15:36 |
| jd__ | terriyu: np :) | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I don't want it to be /my/ waste of time and energy :) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | cool enough | 15:37 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: ok, deal :) | 15:37 |
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| _nadya_ | jd__: I don't want to change your mind but once I spent 40 min beuse of wrong ordering | 15:39 |
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| _nadya_ | and just a plea to decide smth about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69644/ | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: but I won't block it I just don't want to fight for it neither :) | 15:41 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: ok, np :) | 15:41 |
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| terriyu | so about the Outreach Program for Women, I already know one applicant who is interested in Ceilometer specifically | 15:42 |
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| terriyu | She is trying to set up Devstack and Ceilometer right now | 15:42 |
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| terriyu | Also, sphoorti who applied the last round for Ceilometer and didn't get in, she is also thinking of applying again | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | terriyu: so I guess they're both looking for ideas as to a topic? | 15:44 |
| terriyu | anyways, if anyone has ideas, there are applicants who are interested! | 15:44 |
| terriyu | eglynn: yeah, they would be interested in ideas | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | cool, let's all get our thinking caps on | 15:45 |
| terriyu | the application process closes on March 19, which is pretty soon | 15:45 |
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| gordc | o/ i missed this entire meeting... jd__, thanks for taking care of vmware bp | 15:45 |
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| terriyu | gordc: oh, if you have any ideas for projects that would be suitable for interns, that would be great! | 15:46 |
| nealph_ | gordc:I think the theme today is "this meeting came really early today" | 15:46 |
| gordc | terriyu: i can ask around. | 15:47 |
| terriyu | gordc: cool, the Outreach Program for Women deadline this round is March 19 | 15:47 |
| gordc | nealph_: yeah... i hit snooze too many times today | 15:47 |
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| jd__ | anything else? | 15:49 |
| nealph_ | we're stuck in migration hell | 15:50 |
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| jd__ | meaning? | 15:50 |
| eglynn | nealph_: sqlachemy-migrate hell? | 15:50 |
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| nealph_ | eglynn: yep. probably take it to the cm room, but is there anyone specifically familiar with that? | 15:50 |
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| nealph_ | looking at the notes it seems like jay pipes was working this a while back... | 15:51 |
| jd__ | probably with discuting in #openstack-ceilometer indeed | 15:51 |
| nealph_ | jd__: k, will take it there. | 15:51 |
| jd__ | s/with/worth/ | 15:51 |
| jd__ | discussing | 15:51 |
| * jd__ tired | 15:51 | |
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| jd__ | well, I hereby declare this meeting ended | 15:52 |
| jd__ | have a nice day and happily hack | 15:52 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 15:52:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-03-06-15.00.html | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-03-06-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-03-06-15.00.log.html | 15:52 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 16:05 |
| * ttx lurks | 16:05 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck, hi | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Hey there! | 16:06 |
| * sarob_ lurking | 16:06 | |
| krotscheck | #startmeeting storyboard | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 16:06:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | So lots of progress on auth last week, and barring this morning's issue, we seem to be in pretty good shape. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | I've already been dogfooding some stories to get used to the UI, and am starting to iterate. | 16:07 |
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| krotscheck | In particular though I want to call out NikitaKonovalov for his ridiculous amount of work on the auth stuff | 16:08 |
| * krotscheck gives NikitaKonovalov a round of... uh... applause? bitplaus? | 16:08 | |
| krotscheck | Anyway - | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | There's a few things I would like to land before everyone starts dogfooding | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | The first is the deletion patch - which is currently passing but I'm uncomfortable loading it for reasons I will explain in a bit. | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | The second is mordred's work loading projects from projects.yaml | 16:10 |
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| krotscheck | And the third is an as-yet-unhandled change to our tests after we update oslo | 16:11 |
| krotscheck | I got a bunch of feedback yesterday that said "update oslo and your tests and all your migration woes will disappear like magic" | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | I have no idea whether that's true. | 16:12 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: it's our local pixie dust | 16:12 |
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| krotscheck | Given that everything except for mordred's description-longer patch is passing, we could just land them all and fix it later. | 16:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck, I'm not sure but that big change to oslo db module has introduced some new apis to connect to databse | 16:13 |
| ttx | krotscheck: but the people claiming it helps have way more clue on that dept. than I have | 16:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so, if we adopt that apis, our tests should pass | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: That's reassuring. | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so current priority is oslo, land all our migrations, and then get the project loader up and running. | 16:15 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone want to create the story for that? :) | 16:15 |
| mordred | yah. then I think we can dogfood infra | 16:15 |
| mordred | :) | 16:15 |
| mordred | krotscheck: how do I mark tasks complete? :) | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | mordred: That was never part of the mvp :) | 16:15 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck file story/tasks to finish mvp | 16:16 |
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| krotscheck | Any other thoughts ron the MVP right now? | 16:17 |
| ttx | haven't even had time to log in. should try now | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | ttx: There's a bug with the auth at the moment, it's our next topic | 16:17 |
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| ttx | yep, slightly disappointing. | 16:17 |
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| ttx | It's like NICE! Oh wait | 16:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we need to set some basic roles or policies or whatever to manage who can do what | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | #topic Auth | 16:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've sent some CR to add superusers check | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: It looks good, too. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Just needs a rebase | 16:19 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so if we have a list of superusers, that will at least not allow everyone to create projects and calling themselves PTLs | 16:19 |
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| krotscheck | I would LOVE it if we supported people calling themselves PTL's :) | 16:20 |
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| krotscheck | But right now we can't even log in. | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/72784/ | 16:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've seen the error | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Any ideas? | 16:21 |
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| * krotscheck thinks it's probably his fault | 16:22 | |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I think I've missd if len(request.authorization) < 2 return False | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'll make a fix | 16:22 |
| ttx | would help if my attention span was above 30 sec | 16:23 |
| mordred | ttx: you and me both | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: THat'll be necessary to catch the error, however I'm actually sending an authorizatino header with the failing request | 16:23 |
| * mordred is going to try to help more today between meetings | 16:23 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | hmm | 16:23 |
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| krotscheck | Let me paste my http request | 16:24 |
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| krotscheck | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/72788/ | 16:25 |
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| krotscheck | We can do some investigation - it could be that the client's wending the wrong kind of whitespace or something | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | Once that's resolved, the next Auth step is superusers. | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | ...which is ready to go | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | It sounds like NikitaKonovalov's going to take a look at the auth issue, do I have that right? | 16:27 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I am | 16:27 |
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| krotscheck | Excellent. | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | Next question on Auth, more for mordred. Can we have an SSL cert? | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | #topic SSL Cert | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | And, perhaps, not host over http anymore? | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | ....I think we lost mordred | 16:29 |
| ttx | he is pretty volatile those days | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | He's in the office, I'll go sit on his head. | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | (in seattle) | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | I have nothing else on my agenda, anyone want to bring something up? | 16:31 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Open discussion | 16:31 |
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| sarob_ | You guys heard about the operators meeting on Monday? | 16:32 |
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| krotscheck | sarob_: I have not. Can you give us more details? | 16:32 |
| sarob_ | Like a big user group meeting | 16:33 |
| sarob_ | Was at eBay in San Jose | 16:33 |
| sarob_ | Biggest issue out of it | 16:33 |
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| sarob_ | Operators don't have visibility into blueprints | 16:34 |
| ttx | sarob_: yes | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | I think we all feel that pain | 16:34 |
| sarob_ | Cause they don't participate in the projects week to week | 16:34 |
| ttx | (heard about it, as in encouraged its creation) | 16:34 |
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| ttx | sarob_: so one thing we are trying to have in storyboard is the expression of complex priorities. So operators can have their own views of priorities and communicate them | 16:35 |
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| sarob_ | That would be awesome | 16:35 |
| ttx | rather than scream to have the PTL plans include their prios | 16:35 |
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| ttx | sarob_: but all using the same tool | 16:36 |
| ttx | sarob_: so it's easy to feed them back in | 16:36 |
| sarob_ | Having attrib like risk | 16:37 |
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| sarob_ | So all the blueprints could be rolled up into a proposed release summary | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | Overview dashboards and things like that are exactly what storyboard is about | 16:38 |
| sarob_ | Operators also need to be more engaged | 16:38 |
| sarob_ | I'm working on that with the training project | 16:38 |
| ttx | sarob_: the idea is to let anyone (or any group) present stories and tasks that matter to them in ordered dashboards | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | So, next time you see a disgruntled operator, send them our way - getting some actual user feedback on needs and wants will be useful | 16:39 |
| ttx | it's a bit complex (ad novel) so still very much at brainstorming stage | 16:39 |
| ttx | and* | 16:39 |
| ttx | i'll start blogging more about it | 16:39 |
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| * krotscheck wonders if a graph-like data structure might be a better way of modeling storyboard's "things".... | 16:40 | |
| sarob_ | Not disgruntled but eager to get more involved | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | sarob_, My mistake :) | 16:40 |
| sarob_ | Pictures are good | 16:40 |
| ttx | krotscheck: my next step is to do wireframes to try to see how that would look like | 16:40 |
| ttx | and then loop in the UX team | 16:40 |
| * sarob_ it's all good in the hood | 16:41 | |
| ttx | because the picture in my head is pretty crazy | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Looking forward to seeing what you come up with :) | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Crazy or not. | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Seems like things are starting to head towards kibitzing, any objections to endoing th e meeing? | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | 3.... | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | 2.... | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | 1.... | 16:42 |
| sarob_ | Wait | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting storyboard | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 16:42:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-03-06-16.06.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-03-06-16.06.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-03-06-16.06.log.html | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 16:42 |
| sarob_ | #link http://sarob.com/2014/03/my-takeaways-from-the-first-openstack-operators-summit/ | 16:42 |
| sarob_ | More info on oper summit | 16:43 |
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| krotscheck | sarob_: Oh look, a blog :) | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | Neat! | 16:44 |
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| krotscheck | sarob_: That's a really good summary, actually. Thanks for that | 16:45 |
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| * sarob_ sniff why so surprised? | 16:45 | |
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| sarob_ | Krotscheck: yur welome | 16:46 |
| sarob_ | Link to raw notes as well | 16:46 |
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| sarob_ | Cheers | 16:47 |
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| ttx | sarob_: thx for link! haven't had much feedback so far | 16:48 |
| sarob_ | Yeah, sorry about that | 16:48 |
| sarob_ | ttx: having the board meeting right after screwed me up | 16:49 |
| ttx | yeah | 16:49 |
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| sarob_ | ttx: I'm having gold member meetings before the board meeting now | 16:50 |
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| ttx | hah! | 16:51 |
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| sarob_ | ttx: are you getting the board meeting rundown | 16:51 |
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| sarob_ | ttx: like at the next tc? | 16:52 |
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| ttx | sarob_: not really. we read MLs and blog posts though | 16:52 |
| sarob_ | ttx: id be happy to volunteer to do that if you want | 16:53 |
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| ttx | sarob_: i'm missing the next TC meeting. Contact markmc and see if there is room in the agenda | 16:53 |
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| sarob_ | ttx between vish and markmc, you have rep | 16:54 |
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| ttx | sarob_: and mordred | 16:54 |
| sarob_ | ttx: right | 16:54 |
| mordred | what did I do? | 16:54 |
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| sarob_ | mordred: we were discussing oper summit and last board meeting | 16:55 |
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| sarob_ | mordred: summary should flow | 16:56 |
| sarob_ | mordred:back to tc | 16:56 |
| mordred | ++ | 16:56 |
| mordred | totally agree | 16:56 |
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| sarob_ | mordred: I was lurking storyboard, around same | 16:57 |
| sarob_ | mordred: a lot of what the operators don't know how to | 16:58 |
| sarob_ | Mordred: like why I can't get znc to work :( | 16:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey savanna folks! | 17:59 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 18:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Welcome to the OSSG meeting :-) | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | o/ everyone | 18:00 |
| srirramhere | hi there, this is sriram | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | yo! | 18:00 |
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| malini1 | hello everyone! | 18:01 |
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| nkinder | Hi | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | welcome everyone | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:02 |
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| paulmo | Paul here too | 18:02 |
| joel-coffman | hey | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to discuss the ongoing election process a bit | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | I'd also like to review OSSN status | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | anything else for today? | 18:03 |
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| nicolae-sics | Hi, nicolae from the swedish institute of comp science here | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | welcome nicolae | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | How about that security review of Keystone, if anyone is here to talk about it that is | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | sure, we can add that too | 18:04 |
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| hyakuhei | welcome nicolae-sics nice to have you here. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Lead Election | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | If you're following the mailing list, you'll know that we now have two candidates | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | Closing date for candidates is the 12th of March. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | yep, that ^^ | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | so that's next Wed | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | thanks for Malini and Sriram for stepping up thus far | 18:05 |
| srirramhere | pleasure! | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | Indeed, it's a worthy cause. | 18:06 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | Also, I wanted to give a quick word on the electorate | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | I've been working on a spreadsheet that lists everyone that is a member of OSSG launchpad group | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | And then I'll be going through and figuring out who is an "active member" | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | I'll publish this list before the election starts | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | just so that everyone is on the same page and can correct errors, etc | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | so please be watching for that | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Seems reasonable. | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | any other questions about the election process? | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | ok, great | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSN | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to do a quick review of the open OSSNs | 18:08 |
| nkinder | there's a bit of a backlog | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | nkinder would you like to discuss? | 18:08 |
| nkinder | I'll be sending one out today (it actually covers two) | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | Good stuff | 18:08 |
| nkinder | It's not marked public yet, so I don't want to discuss the details of it. | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | right, I mean discuss the backlog | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 18:09 |
| nkinder | I've looked into the one about cinder third-party driver permissions, and will be writing that one up too. | 18:09 |
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| hyakuhei | We have two in 'new' states | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | i.e need writers / reviewers | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | I'm tied up in other work this week but I'd be happy to review these if someone else wants to have a go at writing them up | 18:10 |
| nkinder | srirramhere worked on the noVNC one, but it's still listed in "New" status | 18:10 |
| nkinder | I reviewed it, and recommended some changes a while back | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | srirramhere can you update the status of that one? | 18:10 |
| malini1 | i'll take the DOS noVNC one | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | great. So does anyone want/need a review doing? | 18:11 |
| srirramhere | I will take a look and make corrections that will make it complete this week | 18:11 |
| nkinder | malini1: ok, there's a draft OSSN in the bug, but it needs to have some items addressed | 18:11 |
| malini1 | i remember seeing something like that a few months back | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | There was a VNC one but I think it may have been orthogonal to this one | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | any takers for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1268751 ? | 18:12 |
| malini1 | nkinder and hyakuhei: will check and consult you as necessary, thanks | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | this is a token revocation issue | 18:12 |
| nkinder | I can look at that one and discuss it with Adam | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | looks like all of the others have an assignee | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | so that's a good step | 18:13 |
| nkinder | I have one other thing related to OSSNs | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | although most of them are assigned to nkinder ;-) | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | How's the gerrit/git stuff going? | 18:13 |
| nkinder | The stackforge repo request isn't moving along, largely because we are discussing putting the OSSN repo under the docs program | 18:14 |
| nkinder | annegentle started a discussion on the docs mailing list to float the idea, and I didn't see anyone against it on that side of things | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | What's the subject? I'll dig it out | 18:14 |
| nkinder | OSSNs really are docs, and they will feed into the security guide, so I think that makes sense. | 18:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: let me get you a link... | 18:15 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-February/003833.html | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | thanks :) | 18:15 |
| nkinder | Here is the stackforge repo request - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73157/ | 18:15 |
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| nkinder | I'm fine with it living inthe docs repo, and I'd just like to get this to move along so we can use git/gerrit. | 18:16 |
| nkinder | So if nobody has problems with us using the docs repo, I'll sync up with annegentle and see how we can make it happen. | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I'm fine with it in docs - I'll reach out to anne | 18:16 |
| malini1 | nkinder: completely agree with you, anything we can do | 18:16 |
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| annegentle | great! | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | yeah, +1 for just moving ahead with the docs option... would be nice to get that put together | 18:17 |
| malini1 | BTW https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1227575 has a long history (no wonder I am familiar with it, was following it at one time). srirramhere has a handle on it, why is it not wrapped up yet? | 18:18 |
| nkinder | ok, I'll take an action item to push that forward | 18:18 |
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| hyakuhei | annegentle: hi there! | 18:18 |
| nkinder | malini1: yes, that's what I was mentioning. A OSSN draft was created, but it needs to have my feedback integrated. | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | So you're going to make this all work and we can get back to the pub annegentle ? | 18:19 |
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| srirramhere | malini, there is an OSSN for that : /wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OSSN/1227575; nkinder had some review comments; I will incorporate and make it ready ti close | 18:20 |
| nkinder | srirramhere: it's not complete/published, so it's not listed among the other OSSNs on the wiki | 18:20 |
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| nkinder | srirramhere: I would prefer that we don't add drafts to the wiki. Placing it on the wiki should be a part of the publishing process after it is written and reviewed. | 18:21 |
| srirramhere | agreed - hence i didn't add that to wiki | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:21 |
| srirramhere | it shouldn't be listed in wiki and last i checked, it is not | 18:22 |
| nkinder | srirramhere: it was added, but I removed it from here some time back (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes) | 18:22 |
| srirramhere | the content is added, but not listed | 18:22 |
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| srirramhere | ok - i you remember removing it, then i will follow the convention. Sorry for the inconvenience | 18:22 |
| nkinder | srirramhere: no problem | 18:23 |
| srirramhere | thx | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds like we are sync'd on OSSN stuff | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | which is excellent | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | #topic Keystone Review | 18:23 |
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| malini1 | srirramhere: ping me today after you are done incorporating nkinder edits and lets wrap this one and have nkinder publish tomorrow | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | anyone here that can speak to this effort? | 18:24 |
| Shohel02 | tomorrow we will hv another meeting | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | What time? | 18:25 |
| Shohel02 | feedbacks r welcome | 18:25 |
| Shohel02 | 1700 gmt | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | Shohel02 Could you provide a quick status update for people that haven't been following it through the other meetings? | 18:26 |
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| hyakuhei | yes please | 18:26 |
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| Shohel02 | i can sent email later right nw i m using mobile to connect | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | sure, perhaps just a note to the openstack-security mailing list | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | I believe that there are several people that would like to stay abreast of that work | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | and you might even suck in some more people that could help | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | :- | 18:28 |
| Shohel02 | yes certainly | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | anything else on people's minds? | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Barbican! | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | I don't really have much to contribute other than more people should be contributing :P | 18:28 |
| srirramhere | did u all vote for the Private cloud security talk by Bdpayne? | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | We are driving a few interesting features at the moment, it might even be useful soon. | 18:29 |
| Shohel02 | i did | 18:29 |
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| bdpayne | thanks for the nod guys :-) | 18:29 |
| srirramhere | +! | 18:29 |
| nicolae-sics | +1 | 18:30 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I guess we are out of time for today | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | have a great week | 18:31 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 18:31:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-03-06-18.00.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-03-06-18.00.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-03-06-18.00.log.html | 18:31 |
| nkinder | ok, thanks guys! | 18:31 |
| joel-coffman | cheers | 18:31 |
| malini1 | byeeeeeeee | 18:31 |
| Shohel02 | thanks | 18:31 |
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| vkozhukalov | fuel guys around? | 19:02 |
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| mihgen | don't know if many | 19:03 |
| mihgen | agenda was not updated | 19:03 |
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| mihgen | but we still have items left from last week | 19:03 |
| mihgen | should we go over them? | 19:04 |
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| vkozhukalov | i updated agent at last minute | 19:04 |
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| agordeev2 | o/ | 19:05 |
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| mihgen | ok. I'm wondering if we have quorum this week here | 19:05 |
| mihgen | if not, I'd rather skip | 19:05 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, let's just start. at least I have announcement | 19:05 |
| mihgen | agordeev2: hi | 19:05 |
| alex_didenko | hi guys | 19:05 |
| mihgen | who else is here ? | 19:05 |
| alex_didenko | I'm here :) | 19:06 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 19:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 19:06:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 19:06 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 19:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 19:06 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Greeting, roll-call, announcements. | 19:07 |
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| vkozhukalov | First of all, guys. This week we had a meeting with ironic guys | 19:07 |
| vkozhukalov | As many of you know we are moving towards substituting cobbler with ironic | 19:08 |
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| vkozhukalov | Ironic crowd are pretty interested in contributing | 19:09 |
| vkozhukalov | However we are planning to use completely another approach. instead of mounting target node disk via iscsi, we are planning to run agent which will download image via http | 19:10 |
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| vkozhukalov | our agent is supposed to be much more intelligent | 19:11 |
| vkozhukalov | than it is by default | 19:11 |
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| vkozhukalov | it turned out that rackspace guys already created installing agent | 19:12 |
| agordeev2 | teeth-agent, right? does it look more suitable for us? | 19:12 |
| vkozhukalov | https://github.com/rackerlabs/teeth-agent | 19:13 |
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| vkozhukalov | #chair mihgen | 19:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mihgen vkozhukalov | 19:13 |
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| mihgen | the idea is to develop new agent together with rackspace & ironic folks | 19:14 |
| mihgen | I'm not sure whether we can take teeth-agent as is | 19:14 |
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| mihgen | anyone else here besides alex_didenko, agordeev2 ? | 19:16 |
| xarses | here now | 19:16 |
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| mihgen | as we were running late with scheduling meeting this week, I don't see quorum here | 19:16 |
| agordeev2 | mihgen: it seems to be very flexible due to use of drivers and plugins, but i'm not 100% sure. At least it uses stevedore | 19:16 |
| mihgen | so to avoid information loss I would suggest to skip this week and prepare better for next one | 19:16 |
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| mihgen | agordeev2: that's cool | 19:17 |
| agordeev2 | mihgen: sounds reasonable | 19:17 |
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| mihgen | let's research deeper | 19:17 |
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| mihgen | all right closing then | 19:17 |
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| mihgen | #endmeeting | 19:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 19:19:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-06-19.06.html | 19:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-06-19.06.txt | 19:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-03-06-19.06.log.html | 19:19 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting openstack-state-management | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 20:03:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, is meeting bot dead :-/ | 20:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_state_management' | 20:03 |
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| changbl | hi | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #startmeeting openstack-state-management | 20:04 |
| openstack | harlowja: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 20:04 |
| iv_m_ | hi hi | 20:04 |
| harlowja | hey, think i got disconnected, or something | 20:04 |
| akarpinska-home | hi | 20:04 |
| harlowja | or freenode is back under DOS :-/ | 20:04 |
| harlowja | not sure | 20:04 |
| iv_m_ | network problems | 20:04 |
| harlowja | could be | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | k, guess its going already, anyway | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #topic last-agenda | 20:05 |
| harlowja | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-27-20.00.html | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | i'm still working on mine, been busy with a little other stuff this week :) | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | busy mainly cause hosting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-icehouse-sprint :) | 20:05 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja draft ML post for workers and jobboard | 20:06 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja report back on oslo! | 20:06 |
| harlowja | akarpinska-home did u do your action item? | 20:06 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:06 |
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| akarpinska-home | yes, if you tell about the vacation | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | ya | 20:07 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:07 |
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| akarpinska-home | 100% completed | 20:08 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:08 |
| harlowja | +2 | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #topic reviews-for-0.2 | 20:09 |
| iv_m_ | now we see who's working) | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | lol | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | so afaik, akarpinska-home has the bulk of reviews, around the retry controller work | 20:09 |
| harlowja | seems like thats almost all ready to go | 20:09 |
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| akarpinska-home | iv_m? | 20:10 |
| harlowja | and then other various small cleanup ones that would be good also, and iv_m_ work on the URI adjustments | 20:10 |
| iv_m_ | ya, one last loooong look from me left, and i hope i will not find anything wrong | 20:10 |
| harlowja | k, akarpinska-home are u ok with that for 0.2, or do u want to do any other further stuff? | 20:11 |
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| akarpinska-home | I'm ok | 20:11 |
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| akarpinska-home | docs left | 20:11 |
| harlowja | k | 20:12 |
| harlowja | sounds great | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | anything else i am missing, stans work would be great, but doesn't seem critical (and he's working on it also) | 20:13 |
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| akarpinska-home | he found problems with some transfers | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska-home those are fixed in the cleanup reviews? | 20:14 |
| harlowja | *if u know | 20:14 |
| akarpinska-home | no | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, do u recall what the transfer problem was? | 20:15 |
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| akarpinska-home | I don't know, he told he was working on it | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | kk | 20:16 |
| harlowja | np | 20:16 |
| harlowja | thats fine | 20:16 |
| akarpinska-home | he tested different protocols that kombu supports | 20:16 |
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| akarpinska-home | some of them don't work | 20:17 |
| iv_m_ | *for some of them his code does not work | 20:17 |
| akarpinska-home | yes | 20:17 |
| harlowja | kk, guess lets wait a little and maybe he can drop on IRC (or i guess he's working on it currently anyway) | 20:17 |
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| iv_m_ | we were talking about it today, i think we'll have partial solution for 0.2 and we'll see what we can do next | 20:18 |
| harlowja | not releasing today anyway, but would be interested in the issue he had | 20:18 |
| harlowja | k | 20:18 |
| iv_m_ | if u interested i can try to elaborate on that later, on open-discuss or after meeting | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | np | 20:19 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | next topic then :) keep up the reviewing! ;) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #topic integration progress | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | so didn't work out getting a meeting early this week, but guess we can do a short one | 20:20 |
| harlowja | akarpinska-home for icehouse cinder has the refactored code work correct? still pretty basic usage of taskflow though | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | i believe also glance has there tasks api (not using taskflow, although afaik they want to) | 20:21 |
| akarpinska-home | I'm in progress, get a timeout to finish taskflow stuff | 20:22 |
| harlowja | np | 20:22 |
| harlowja | thinking we can all jump in and help :) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | changbl glance might be a nice integration point and good one to do also | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | and i can help out with akarpinska-home and cinder | 20:22 |
| changbl | harlowja, sounds good | 20:23 |
| harlowja | although everyone i believe is in FF right now, which is ok, its good time to start discussing anyway | 20:23 |
| changbl | FF? | 20:23 |
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| iv_m_ | feature freeze | 20:23 |
| changbl | k | 20:23 |
| harlowja | changbl i believe https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-tasks-api is up to date, but nikhil___ and others might be able to be contacted and see whats there in icehouse (i haven't checked recently) | 20:24 |
| harlowja | can start all that fun around seeing what is lacking in taskflow, how glance could use it and all | 20:24 |
| harlowja | iv_m_ do u want to do that with changbl, might be useful also if u have time? | 20:25 |
| harlowja | nova i think is still a little early to figure out yet (and alex is still working there on seeing what he can get accomplished, likely not in icehouse) | 20:25 |
| iv_m_ | if there anything i can help with, i'll be glad to | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | cool | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | harlowja: we are in the glance meeting right now, however would like to provide with any information that is needed | 20:26 |
| harlowja | nikhil___ great, thx! | 20:26 |
| harlowja | nikhil___ just was discussing how we should start discussing with the glance folks about tasks and stuff, and seeing how to integrate (and when and all that) | 20:26 |
| nikhil___ | harlowja: we do need task flow like support sometime in the future however, not in i-3 | 20:26 |
| harlowja | nikhil___ of course :) | 20:26 |
| harlowja | sounds great nikhil___ | 20:27 |
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| nikhil___ | harlowja: absolutely, we should target this for j-1/2 | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | cool | 20:27 |
| harlowja | thx! | 20:27 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska-home ok with u, can split both of our times trying to continue working with the cinder folks, seems like a good way to do it (since both of us have worked with them) | 20:28 |
| harlowja | continue keeping the momenutm and stuff there | 20:28 |
| akarpinska-home | ok | 20:28 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:28 |
| akarpinska-home | now cinder flows are in different files, we can work together | 20:29 |
| harlowja | think a good target maybe for next week is to just get some initial etherpads flowing between both teams | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | with something like, what exists currently, what taskflow can offer, maybe a basic idea of how | 20:29 |
| harlowja | that seem reasonable? | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | (if not this week, maybe the next few weeks, peoples time depending) | 20:30 |
| akarpinska-home | are you about cinder or about taskflow? | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | both :) | 20:31 |
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| akarpinska-home | our ideas what to do and what is done? | 20:31 |
| harlowja | just sorta thinking etherpads with some cinder/glance plans (maybe even heat, although that one might be more heat folks dependent) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | akarpinska-home right, with some involvement with the glance/cidner teams also :) | 20:32 |
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| akarpinska-home | ok | 20:32 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:32 |
| harlowja | sound ok iv_m_ changbl ? | 20:33 |
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| changbl | harlowja, so the glance team agreed to use taskflow right? | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | changbl i think they are fine with that, in using it | 20:34 |
| harlowja | it will though involve working together to make sure its all fine and goes smoothly | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | and so-on | 20:35 |
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| changbl | any API for us to start with? | 20:35 |
| changbl | glance API | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | likely, that will be part of the investigation period i think, nikhil___ and markwash would likely know (although i think they are in there irc meeting in -alt right now) | 20:36 |
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| changbl | ok, wonder what I should in detail. Go to implement an example API and see the response? | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | i think to start it can be more of just figuring out whats there (discussing with the glance folks), maybe seeing it in action (setting up glance for icehouse), checking out the docs, and thinking and writing up where taskflow can fit in the glance picture, | 20:38 |
| nikhil___ | harlowja: can we please discuss the use cases a bit on Monday? | 20:39 |
| harlowja | thats fine with me :) | 20:39 |
| nikhil___ | we have a sync up meeting tomorrow when we will know the remaning pieces to target and get a clear picture | 20:39 |
| harlowja | k | 20:39 |
| harlowja | changbl seem ok? | 20:40 |
| changbl | sure, let me know the time for monday meeting. maybe i can join | 20:40 |
| iv_m_ | nikhil___, harlowja are u talking about some meeting on monday, or just #openstack-state-management? | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | could be, seems undecided yet iv_m_ | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | could be in #openstack-glance ? | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | lets figure that out afterwards i think, shouldn't be a problem | 20:42 |
| harlowja | #topic documentation | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | so iv_m_ all yours :) | 20:42 |
| iv_m_ | ya, i'll try to be quick | 20:43 |
| iv_m_ | so | 20:43 |
| iv_m_ | #link we have docs at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/ which are generated via sphinx | 20:43 |
| iv_m_ | #link and bp for improving them https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/sphinx-docs | 20:43 |
| iv_m_ | #link and docs on wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow | 20:43 |
| iv_m_ | the question is, what should go to wiki and what should go to shpinx | 20:43 |
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| iv_m_ | imo, wiki is for general concepts, tips and tricks and general design explanations, while things that are needed for reference should go to sphinx doc | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | iv_m_ i agree, so examples would be the main movers right? engine types and backend descriptions and such would also move? | 20:44 |
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| iv_m_ | we may want to have e.g some high-level desciription of engine types still on wiki, and sphinx should provide list of configuration parameters and such things | 20:46 |
| harlowja | k | 20:46 |
| harlowja | that seems fine with me | 20:46 |
| iv_m_ | i also thought we should movet things like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/States_of_Task_and_Flow, but akarpinska-home said we should not | 20:46 |
| iv_m_ | *that's why i raised the question here basically | 20:46 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:47 |
| iv_m_ | for things like states of tasks i have additional concern: every time code changes we should update the page describing states | 20:47 |
| iv_m_ | wiki page effectively becomes a changelog, while sphinx docs can be easily kept in sync with code | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ya, i'm sort of leaning to that being developer docs | 20:47 |
| harlowja | akarpinska-home yt | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | since its really more of an internal detail that would be nicer to just keep in sync with code (automatically if we can) | 20:48 |
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| iv_m_ | i've seen sphinx has graphvis plugin... | 20:48 |
| harlowja | ah, nice | 20:48 |
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| akarpinska-home | I thought that we should describe states on wiki because it is visible for user | 20:49 |
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| iv_m_ | and i said that our users are developers, so they look at developers docs, too | 20:50 |
| harlowja | sure, but seems like most developers would be the target readers of it? | 20:50 |
| akarpinska-home | maybe we should leave a brief description on wiki, but move graphs to dev docs | 20:50 |
| iv_m_ | ya, brief description and more words on why states are important and what they may be used for | 20:50 |
| harlowja | k, that seems fair | 20:51 |
| iv_m_ | and that note on 3-d party states | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | k, lets try that, sound ok? | 20:51 |
| harlowja | move anything we think is more developer centric to developer docs | 20:51 |
| iv_m_ | k, that seems solved, and we can move to next agenda item) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:51 |
| harlowja | #topic volunteer for oslo security team | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | so chatting with doug, he'd appreciate if someone from taskflow was on the oslo security team | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | *some core from taskflow | 20:52 |
| harlowja | for potentially any security issues | 20:52 |
| harlowja | in general or possibly just releated to taskflow | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/How_To_Contribute | 20:52 |
| iv_m_ | interesting | 20:53 |
| harlowja | dhellmann yt | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | hi | 20:54 |
| harlowja | hey | 20:54 |
| harlowja | so discussing the security volunteer stuffs :) | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | so i was thinking that someone could desire to do this, if not i can (but thought it'd be nice to see if anyone else would want to also) | 20:54 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, 1-2 is fine, but I need at least 1 | 20:55 |
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| dhellmann | we don't want a huge list, keep in mind this is just the "initial contact" and others can be pulled in as needed | 20:55 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | and it's not like you're on call or something -- no pagers :-) | 20:56 |
| harlowja | dhellmann phew, lol | 20:56 |
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| iv_m_ | i could do that too, if noone else really wants, and if it does not mean attending oslo meetings on firday is not mandatory | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | no, I don't think it will mean attending any regular meetings | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | certainly not for oslo itself | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | if we have any issues to deal with, I would expect to coordinate closely, but on a case by case basis | 20:57 |
| harlowja | iv_m_ i'm ok with doign it also, just thinking someone might be interested thats all :) | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | iv_m_ do u want to try it out then, see how it goes (if not ok, thats fine, i can do it also) | 20:58 |
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| iv_m_ | k, if noone objects, write me as volonteer, and we'll see how it goes | 20:58 |
| harlowja | i'm fine with that :) | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann sound ok with u, iv_m_ a smart guy and all | 20:59 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:59 |
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| dhellmann | sure, just send me the launchpad ids so I can add you to the contact team | 21:00 |
| harlowja | k, sounds good | 21:00 |
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| harlowja | and time up | 21:00 |
| harlowja | ack | 21:00 |
| harlowja | more in #openstack-state-management, to be continued next time! | 21:00 |
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| harlowja | sorry folks, cutting short | 21:00 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 21:00:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-03-06-20.03.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-03-06-20.03.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-03-06-20.03.log.html | 21:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 6 22:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
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| masayukig | hi | 22:00 |
| maurosr | I'm o/ | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 22:01 |
| dkranz | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 22:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | well, let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Finding a volunteer to organize a bug day | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so during last weeks meeting sdague and I looked at the bug queue and we have a lot of untriaged bugs | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | so it's probably a good idea to have another bug day before the icehouse release | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | we need a volunteer to organize the bug day | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | does anyone want to do it? | 22:03 |
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| maurosr | I can | 22:03 |
| sdague | maurosr: awesome | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: great thanks | 22:03 |
| sdague | #action maurosr to organize bug day | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | #action maurosr to organize a bug day | 22:03 |
| sdague | jinx | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | heh | 22:03 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There are about 40 New | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | ok well then let's move on then | 22:04 |
| maurosr | yw guys, I've being slowly doing triage on background, but yeah, to many bugs hehe | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah and a lot more unassigned too I think | 22:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We can't assign them | 22:04 |
| maurosr | yup, a lot more ^ | 22:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: But if each core reviewer did 4-5 we would be done | 22:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Of course any one can help | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that's part of it just to get eyes on the bugs | 22:05 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: But if we agreed to all do this by next week we would not have to have a bug day or some one to organize it | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well I'm on vacation for the next few days so I can't do that :) | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | but anyway lets move on | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: By next Thursday? | 22:06 |
| sdague | so, honestly, my suggestion is not next week | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Just saying I don't think we need to struggle to find some one to organize a bug day | 22:06 |
| sdague | dkranz: I disagree | 22:06 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, not next week | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | sdague: ok | 22:07 |
| sdague | because we've seen the bug count actually go down on bug days | 22:07 |
| sdague | and drift up all the rest of the time | 22:07 |
| sdague | getting everyone to focus motivates people a lot more | 22:07 |
| sdague | because you aren't slogging on it alone | 22:07 |
| dkranz | sdague: I was making an alternaative proposal, not saying let the bugs rise | 22:07 |
| dkranz | sdague: but o | 22:07 |
| dkranz | k | 22:07 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, I've just never seen it be effective. If it is, cool :) | 22:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: Won't know unless we try | 22:08 |
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| sdague | I feel like it's been tried | 22:08 |
| sdague | maybe I misremember | 22:08 |
| sdague | anyway, I'd say we have a volunteer to organize | 22:08 |
| sdague | and lets do that | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | ok the next topic is: | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:09 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/multi-keystone-api-version-tests | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | so before we review the status of the high prio bp does anyone have a bp to bring up | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: go ahead | 22:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 22:09 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I moved the target to icehouse-rc now | 22:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: one question I have, are we affected by the freeze as well now? | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: no | 22:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | tempest will take features until the release | 22:10 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: so I still hope to make good progress there until icehouse, but I need more reviews - I got some very good input from maurosr so far, but I would like a bit more to go faster | 22:11 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I know neutron and heat are higher prio | 22:11 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74387/ | 22:11 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77594/ | 22:12 |
| sdague | andreaf: yeh, I think this is game for rc | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: I'll try to take a look at it soon | 22:12 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: thanks! that's all I have on this :) | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: we can definitely get this in by rc I think | 22:13 |
| sdague | andreaf: do we have an job with this set? | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: a v3 auth job? | 22:13 |
| sdague | so that we're using v3 for the whole thing | 22:13 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | I don't think so yet right now it would be a mix of v2 and v3 | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | because certain things don't support v3 auth yet | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | like the official clients for scenario | 22:14 |
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| andreaf | sdague: not yet, I'm covering with unit tests for now, but I could setup of some experimental job | 22:14 |
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| sdague | andreaf: yeh, lets do an experimental job | 22:14 |
| sdague | then we can see what's working | 22:14 |
| sdague | that will be helpful I think in reviewing as well | 22:14 |
| andreaf | sdague: ok, I'll do that | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | I think it would all work just somethings would be v2 and others v3 | 22:15 |
| sdague | cool, thank yuo | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | ok did anyone else have a bp otherwise we'll just go down the list | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-v3-api-tests | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | ^^^ cyeoh any updates on that bp | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | should we should defer it to juno or do you think keep it for the release? | 22:16 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: I don't much more will be done on it this cycle | 22:17 |
| sdague | we should ask cyeoh to split it up | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | sdague: split it up into? | 22:17 |
| sdague | cyeoh: can you sumarize what was done during this cycle in the blueprint | 22:17 |
| sdague | then we'll close it | 22:17 |
| sdague | and open a new one for juno | 22:17 |
| cyeoh | sdague: sure, will do | 22:17 |
| sdague | thanks | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | ok the next high prio bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/fix-gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 22:18 |
| cyeoh | ok. Sorry got to run and drop my daughter off now | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | rossella_s: ^^^ is there any update on this one? | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ^^^ | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: bugs have been assigned, but I have seen no patches so far | 22:19 |
| salv-orlando | perhaps because of the I-3 deadline. I hope to see activity in the next few days. | 22:20 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: great | 22:20 |
| sdague | yeh i3 is always a crazy time | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok cool, I'll keep it as targeted for rc then | 22:20 |
| salv-orlando | ok, thanks. | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | next up is: | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-heat-integration | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | I saw some patches about this earlier today | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: ^^^ any update on this | 22:21 |
| sdague | yeh, so I think we've got 2 tempest patches to land | 22:21 |
| sdague | I talked with stevebaker about this earlier today | 22:21 |
| sdague | after those 2 tempest patches, we're ready to turn on the heat-slow job | 22:21 |
| sdague | I have the config change up for review | 22:22 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78698/ | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok awesome | 22:22 |
| sdague | so I'm hoping we're going to do that this week | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | yeah that'll be great | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | ok the next up is mine | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/unit-tests | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | this one should be on track for the release | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | although I don't know if we really had set goals for where we wanted to be with coverage when we started it | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | but we're sitting around 13% coverage right now | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | but I think it will be a continual effort and welcome low hanging fruit for the future after icehouse | 22:24 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: How are you measuring coverage? | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I manually run the coverage tox job | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | but we have coverage running on the post pipeline for tempest patches too | 22:25 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | I just can't remember where the output gets dumped | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: ^^^ do you know | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | ? | 22:25 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok but coverage to the tests themselves is ~ provided by running them | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah so the number isn't all that useful | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | that's a good point | 22:26 |
| dkranz | andreaf: Yes, I was wondering 13% of what? | 22:26 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: logs.openstack.org/post/firsttwocharsofsha1/sha1/mumble/mumble | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: ok thanks | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: all of the tempest code | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: From just the unit tests? | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Or that plus a full tempest run | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah: (what lines gets executed from a unit test run) / (total number of lines) x 100 :) | 22:27 |
| andreaf | is it possible to tell coverage to ignore any method called test_* ? | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: maybe I'd have to check the coverage module options | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | I think there was a way to filter it | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: are we going to talk about Neutron testing? | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: yeah that's the next topic | 22:28 |
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| mlavalle | :-) | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess we can move on | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: go ahead | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | the group of people contributing to api tests have continue well engaged | 22:29 |
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| mlavalle | over the past 2 weeks we have merged nine patchsets | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | afazekas gave us a big push an we have 6 patch sets that only require a second core review to merge | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | can I pimp them now? | 22:30 |
| sdague | sure | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: how many are still up for review? | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: sure I guess | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71251 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64271 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66454 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61118/ | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66796 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68626 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | I would say another 7 or 8 | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | if we complete them all, we will have full api coverage at the end of icehouse | 22:32 |
| sdague | nice | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: really full coverage, that'd be pretty cool | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | there are 2 or 3 abandoned. I will ping their owners over the next few days | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | I don't think we're there with any of the other projects | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | if they are not ready to continue, I will reassign them | 22:33 |
| mlavalle | that's my update | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok is there anything else on neutron testing? | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | ok cool then we'll move on | 22:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic Heat testing | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | so I think we covered this during the bp section | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | sdague: unless you had something to add | 22:34 |
| sdague | nope, I think we covered it all | 22:34 |
| sdague | very excited to get that gating | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | yeah it'll be good | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | is the patch you posted before for symmetric gating everywhere? | 22:34 |
| sdague | yes | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | ok awesome | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | moving on the next topic is | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | so I don't think there is anything to discuss here right now because of the upcoming bug day | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | unless anyone had a bug they wanted to bring up | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:37 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they would like to get some more eyes on | 22:37 |
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| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77823/ | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77823/ | 22:38 |
| dkranz | negative tests with admin | 22:38 |
| yfried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77816/ I would like to know the odds for this getting merged at all | 22:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I will review this after the meeting but some one else would be good too | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'll try to take a look at it tonight too | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77816/ | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | yfried: I don't see why it couldn't get merged as long as it runs in the gate | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It's multinode | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | and it's a real scenario | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, yfried: oh ok yeah then without proof that it works it won't get merged | 22:40 |
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| yfried | mtreinish: how could I prove that? you mean 3rd party verify? | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | yfried: yeah at this point that would be the only way | 22:41 |
| sdague | yfried: yeh, if it comes in via 3rd party CI | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | is to have a 3rd party system that supports the configuration you need for the test | 22:41 |
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| yfried | I assume there currently isn't one? | 22:42 |
| sdague | not that I know of | 22:42 |
| sdague | dkranz: what's going on at Red Hat in that way | 22:42 |
| dkranz | Looks like it just needs two nodes running compute but we stilll don't have that | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | yfried: I don't know of one either | 22:42 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Not quite sure. This is vanilla multinode. | 22:43 |
| yfried | ok. tnx guys. is that a -2 to then? | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | yfried: yeah until it can be verified in some way | 22:43 |
| dkranz | sdague: The infra guys and lifeless say simple multinode is coming upstream | 22:43 |
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| yfried | dkranz: is there an ETA? | 22:43 |
| sdague | dkranz: tripleo gate is a long way off still | 22:43 |
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| dkranz | sdague: RH does not have any specific drivers that need third-party | 22:43 |
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| sdague | dkranz: ian was posting redhat results previously | 22:44 |
| sdague | given that we only test on ubuntu | 22:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, I'm not sure what is happening with that. But I can find out. | 22:44 |
| sdague | not sure what happened there | 22:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is in progress. | 22:44 |
| yfried | sdague: mtreinish: I have a related topic I was unable to get on the agenda in time. I'll wait till the end of the meeting | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | yfried: ok | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | if there aren't any other reviews we can move on to the next topic | 22:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78221/ not really critical but it would be nice to get it approved | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok | 22:46 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: so I can do #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77602/ then | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that one's in your court | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Strategy for creating schemas for negative auto-gen (dkranz) | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: you're up | 22:46 |
| sdague | which one? | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: the first one 78221 it's a devstack change | 22:47 |
| andreaf | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78221/ | 22:47 |
| sdague | oh, devstack, nice | 22:47 |
| dkranz | So I don't have a lot more to say about that here. Jay's comment about json-home was interesting | 22:47 |
| dkranz | I had not seen that before | 22:47 |
| sdague | andreaf: +A | 22:47 |
| sdague | thanks | 22:47 |
| dkranz | I encourage folks to chime in on the ml discussion about this | 22:47 |
| cyeoh | dkranz: yea I've only had a quick look but it seems that ties it all together | 22:47 |
| sdague | yeh, goodness | 22:47 |
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| cyeoh | but we still need to work out how to get all the stuff you and docs generation needs out of the code itself | 22:48 |
| dkranz | cyeoh: Right | 22:48 |
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| dkranz | the question is if we should hold off on more nova auto-gen tests in tempest until this is worked out | 22:48 |
| dkranz | If the nova folks are up for it I would say yes | 22:48 |
| sdague | dkranz: honestly, it's going to take some time | 22:49 |
| cyeoh | so can you mature the system which handles the templates without putting too much work on the template generation itself? | 22:49 |
| dkranz | reverse-engineering the json schema from sporadic doc is a bear | 22:49 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, but given the schema | 22:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: I know. But it would save a huge amount of tempest work | 22:49 |
| sdague | hows all the generation of tests? | 22:49 |
| cyeoh | dkranz: yea and essentially Kenichi and his team are doing that anyway on the nova side for V3 at least. | 22:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: There is very little work once you have the schema | 22:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: to convert a negative tempest test file | 22:50 |
| cyeoh | sdague: so my feeling is that using introspection etc its all possible, its just finding someone who has the time to do it. | 22:50 |
| sdague | dkranz: is there a good example of that posted? | 22:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: There are a few in the tree already, the ones that mark and I seeded to show that it worked | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | sdague: this? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/etc/schemas/compute | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Those are the schemas | 22:51 |
| sdague | so where are the runs where that was used for negative testing | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: There are tests tha use them | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague: oh the other side | 22:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: I can find the link now if you want. | 22:51 |
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| sdague | yeh, what I'm saying is getting the schema is still in flux a bit | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/api/compute/v3/flavors/test_flavors_negative.py | 22:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right | 22:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: It is hard which is why I would rather wait if the nova side is really going to happen | 22:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: Because otherwise it is all throw-away work | 22:52 |
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| sdague | dkranz: that's fine, I just wasn't sure if anything on the test running / reporting was still needed | 22:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: And the urgency is not that high to justify it IMO | 22:52 |
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| dkranz | sdague: No, it is all there unless other issues show up, which they might | 22:53 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, so I agree, it's low priority until we have services with discovery | 22:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So we can have more discussion on ml and revisit | 22:53 |
| sdague | I'd say better effort spent on the clean log files | 22:53 |
| cyeoh | dkranz: so would the people who would otherwise work on making the templates in tempest be willing to work on the autogeneration in Nova? I'm happy to help with guidance, but realistically I'm not sure when I'd have time to work on it directly | 22:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That's all on that. | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: :) | 22:53 |
| sdague | dkranz: which, btw, I got general sign off | 22:54 |
| sdague | in the project meeting | 22:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: cool! | 22:54 |
| sdague | though we should wait until after tuesday | 22:54 |
| sdague | which should be the end of the FFE rush | 22:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, my patch has to be rebased anyway | 22:54 |
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| dkranz | sdague: self-inflicted with the TRACE change :) | 22:55 |
| sdague | but if you can do the analysis on our clean log files today and propose that for wed merge, we can do that | 22:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: ??? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | ok well let's open the floor for the last 5 min | 22:55 |
| sdague | your change had the set for safe log files empty | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 22:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Right now they are all assumed dirty | 22:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: but they aren't | 22:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: But I could check for clean and add them if that is what you mean | 22:55 |
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| sdague | yes, that's what I mean | 22:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, wil do | 22:56 |
| sdague | because they aren't all dirty | 22:56 |
| yfried | can I raise an issue? | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | yfried: sure go ahead | 22:56 |
| yfried | we are getting into HA testing and we are looking for a way to test failover (killing services and hosts) and other issues without breaking Tempest compatibility and scope. In general - Preforming operations outside the scope of the Openstack API, with direct access to the various nodes. I wanted to know if you guys have any idea of how to approach this, in a way that we could eventually (once the gate is ready) push it in | 22:56 |
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| sdague | yfried: so you want fault injection, basically? | 22:56 |
| dkranz | tempest can do that itself | 22:57 |
| yfried | sdague: to begin with. | 22:57 |
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| dkranz | Maybe it just needs a separate job | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: not if it's outside of the openstack api (it's not blackbox then) | 22:57 |
| sdague | dkranz: well what we probably need is some fault injection service | 22:57 |
| yfried | dkranz: I would love to see how | 22:57 |
| dkranz | yfried: Actually it is limited to what you can do with the admin api | 22:58 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, but that's not HA | 22:58 |
| dkranz | yfried: But you can stop services I think | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | I see something like a grenade type script that can mess with things from the outside | 22:58 |
| sdague | I agree that moving forward we need something more | 22:58 |
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| dkranz | Yes | 22:58 |
| sdague | but I think that needs to be a fault injection service | 22:58 |
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| dkranz | sdague: a new admin api? | 22:58 |
| sdague | which you could deploy along side your open stack installation | 22:58 |
| sdague | no, a new service | 22:58 |
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| sdague | well, yes, it would have an API | 22:59 |
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| yfried | sdague: you mean a new project outside tempest? | 22:59 |
| sdague | yfried: I think the fault injection service would be outside of tempest | 22:59 |
| sdague | and tempest could have a dedicated directory of tests that used it | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | sdague: FIaaS? It doesn't really roll of the tongue | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | yfried: yeah it's definitely outside the scope of tempest | 23:00 |
| sdague | :) | 23:00 |
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| dkranz | Agreed | 23:00 |
| sdague | however, it's not outside the scope of QA program | 23:00 |
| yfried | tkammer suggested some kind of decorator based approach (which I'm not that familiar with) | 23:00 |
| sdague | I think another effort here would be interesting if someone wanted to take this on | 23:00 |
| dkranz | yfried: Not sure what you mean | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah it would definitely be part of the qa program | 23:01 |
| mtreinish | well we're out of time for today | 23:01 |
| yfried | since we are out of time, I'll post it to the ML and continue there | 23:01 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:01 |
| sdague | sure | 23:01 |
| sdague | thanks | 23:01 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 6 23:01:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-03-06-22.00.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-03-06-22.00.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-03-06-22.00.log.html | 23:01 |
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