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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 00:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:00 |
| zaneb | #topic Roll call | 00:01 |
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| randallburt | o/ | 00:01 |
| kanabuchi | hello | 00:01 |
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| zaneb | slow day today | 00:02 |
| randallburt | yup | 00:02 |
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| nanjj | hello | 00:02 |
| tango|2 | hello | 00:02 |
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| zaneb | ok, I think it's going to be a quick one today | 00:05 |
| zaneb | stevebaker is away, so I volunteered last week to chair | 00:05 |
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| zaneb | sdake and jpeeler also said they couldn't make it today | 00:05 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 00:05 |
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| radix | hello | 00:05 |
| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-29-20.00.html | 00:05 |
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| zaneb | radix: o/ :) | 00:05 |
| radix | :-) | 00:06 |
| zaneb | there weren't any! | 00:06 |
| zaneb | nest :) | 00:06 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 00:06 |
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| zaneb | anybody? | 00:06 |
| randallburt | zaneb: curent agenda link? | 00:06 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 00:07 |
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| zaneb | ok, next :) | 00:07 |
| zaneb | #topic Default Resource Names | 00:07 |
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| zaneb | radix: is this you? | 00:07 |
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| randallburt | ok so, kebray asked me to represent him here | 00:07 |
| radix | ummm not me | 00:08 |
| radix | ok :) | 00:08 |
| randallburt | zaneb: it was kebray | 00:08 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 00:08 |
| zaneb | randallburt: you have the floor :) | 00:08 |
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| randallburt | basically he is asking that we use stuff like OS::Compute::Server rather than the "internal" project names | 00:08 |
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| randallburt | use basically use the type of service from the catalog and openstack documentation in place | 00:08 |
| zaneb | I like that idea | 00:08 |
| radix | hould we support both? (I guess we need to for backwards compatibility at least) | 00:09 |
| radix | s | 00:09 |
| zaneb | radix: yes | 00:09 |
| randallburt | cool. based on my understanding, he'd add something in the default environment to alias like we did with Quantum | 00:09 |
| radix | should those aliases be in the default environment, or should it be in the resource mappings in the code? | 00:09 |
| zaneb | tbh it's also trivial to do it in code | 00:09 |
| radix | :) | 00:09 |
| randallburt | yeah, I'm not personally fussed either way | 00:10 |
| zaneb | I actually would have suggested s/Nova/Compute/ a lot earlier... | 00:10 |
| nanjj | Give one example, how to say 'OS::Docker::Container' | 00:10 |
| radix | nanjj: docker isn't really related here, it's not an OpenStack program | 00:10 |
| zaneb | except that I was saving those names for when we found out that are resource models were crap, and we wanted to redo them ;) | 00:10 |
| radix | er, not in one | 00:10 |
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| randallburt | so I'll let him know to raise bp's if needed. perhaps a ML thread? | 00:11 |
| randallburt | zaneb: so cagy ;) | 00:11 |
| radix | heh heh | 00:11 |
| zaneb | +1, only because turnout is so low at this meeting | 00:11 |
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| zaneb | (for ML post, that is) | 00:11 |
| randallburt | zaneb: agreed | 00:12 |
| zaneb | ok, anything else on this topic? | 00:12 |
| randallburt | nope | 00:12 |
| zaneb | cool | 00:12 |
| zaneb | #topic Discuss status of x-auth-trust bp | 00:12 |
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| zaneb | I added this one | 00:12 |
| zaneb | but I have actually already checked with shardy | 00:13 |
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| zaneb | so there's not actually anything to discuss :) | 00:13 |
| zaneb | #topic Scrub the blueprints list for Icehouse | 00:13 |
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| randallburt | does it support v2 keystone? ;) | 00:13 |
| * randallburt ducks | 00:13 | |
| zaneb | randallburt: don't go there :D | 00:13 |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 00:13 |
| zaneb | so I already bumped a few bps to next | 00:14 |
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| zaneb | radix: I bumped a couple of the autoscaling API ones, I know | 00:14 |
| randallburt | are we having a "cut off date". for example, IIRC, glance is saying in by the 17th or its not going to make it. | 00:14 |
| radix | ok, looking | 00:14 |
| zaneb | randallburt: I believe we setting on the same feature proposal date as other projects | 00:15 |
| randallburt | k | 00:15 |
| radix | wait, did you bump any? it looks the same to me | 00:15 |
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| zaneb | radix: I definitely did, because you only have 3 targeted for i-3 in that list linked above now | 00:16 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 00:16 |
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| zaneb | so patches for features should be submitted for review by 18 Feb | 00:16 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 00:17 |
| zaneb | and they need to be merged by Feature Freeze on the 6th of March | 00:17 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 00:17 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze | 00:17 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: o/ | 00:17 |
| randallburt | zaneb: did you bump my stack-update/resource status bug? | 00:18 |
| asalkeld | sorry was on the phone | 00:18 |
| andrew_plunk | o/ | 00:18 |
| zaneb | randallburt: I haven't bumped any bugs as far as I recall | 00:18 |
| radix | ok | 00:18 |
| randallburt | hrm. k, I'll check in a bit. | 00:18 |
| radix | zaneb: oh, I was confused | 00:18 |
| radix | zaneb: yeah, ok | 00:18 |
| zaneb | but it was yesterday already that I was messing with these, so it's hard to say ;) | 00:18 |
| randallburt | zaneb: nevermind. found it. | 00:19 |
| radix | yeah, some of that stuff needs to be moved into future | 00:19 |
| randallburt | all is well | 00:19 |
| zaneb | the bottom line is that there is less than 2 weeks left to propose patches for new features | 00:19 |
| radix | as-engine-db, at least | 00:19 |
| zaneb | so it's time to start aggressively bumping blueprints to next if you don't think they're going to make it | 00:20 |
| radix | I really doubt intermediate resources are going to be done by I at this point, but I do plan on starting on them | 00:20 |
| randallburt | seems there's too many there without names attached IMO | 00:20 |
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| zaneb | #action everybody to scrub their assigned blueprints for icehouse-3 | 00:20 |
| radix | alright, doing that now | 00:20 |
| zaneb | randallburt: I only see two unassigned bps | 00:21 |
| zaneb | they both look to be on stevebaker's patch, but I assume he left them unassigned in case someone else wanted to pick them up | 00:21 |
| randallburt | oh, I was counting bugs too | 00:21 |
| zaneb | I think it's likely we'll want to bump both of those | 00:21 |
| randallburt | probably | 00:21 |
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| zaneb | but I'll leave it to stevebaker when he gets back | 00:21 |
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| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 00:22 |
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| kanabuchi | zeneb: I'd like to discuss about this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/router-properties-object. | 00:22 |
| zaneb | kanabuchi: ok, go ahead | 00:22 |
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| kanabuchi | I wrote down my opinion to bp | 00:23 |
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| kanabuchi | I think, ExtraRoutes is really important function, for supporting physical hardware | 00:23 |
| zaneb | just reading it now | 00:23 |
| kanabuchi | ok | 00:23 |
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| zaneb | so the issue for me is that it's really hard for Heat to model things that are completely outside of OpenStack and Heat's data model | 00:25 |
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| randallburt | kanabuchi: does Neutron have an actual API endpoint for CRUD on extra routes? can I get a list of them from neutron and edit each one? | 00:26 |
| kanabuchi | Yes, real hardware resource can't model in heat now | 00:26 |
| randallburt | or is this strictly operational in nature? | 00:26 |
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| zaneb | kanabuchi: you seem to be saying that extra routes are needed for operators (i.e. admins)... it's not clear what that implies for Heat, which is user-facing | 00:27 |
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| kanabuchi | I'm not sure about Neutron's API design, extra route should be update via route now. | 00:28 |
| kanabuchi | zeneb: Yes, extraroute need to provide option for operators | 00:28 |
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| kanabuchi | zeneb: My image of usecase is | 00:29 |
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| kanabuchi | zeneb: when the operator want to hardware network devices, example for VPN route, L3 router, another devices... | 00:30 |
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| kanabuchi | zeneb: that physical hardware can't model on heat at present, right? | 00:31 |
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| zaneb | Heat is primarily a service for users, I don't think we should have resources in the tree that are (1) only for operators, and (2) don't actually work for orchestration | 00:31 |
| zaneb | operators, unlike users, have the flexibility to install their own plugins | 00:32 |
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| zaneb | so if you wanted to put the proposed patch in /contrib, I would be OK with that | 00:32 |
| zaneb | if it's going to be user-facing, we need to figure out a different model IMO | 00:33 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 00:33 |
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| zaneb | ok, anything else on this or any other topic? | 00:35 |
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| radix | nothing from me | 00:36 |
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| kanabuchi | zeneb: please continue this discussion, thanks | 00:36 |
| kanabuchi | oh, not today | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71199/ | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | (easier contib setup in devstack) | 00:36 |
| randallburt | nope | 00:36 |
| zaneb | #action zaneb add summary of this discussion to the router-properties-object blueprint | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | if anyone is interested | 00:36 |
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| randallburt | cool asalkeld. minor −1 but lgtm | 00:38 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: how does that fit in with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68751/ ? | 00:39 |
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| zaneb | actually, that's the wrong patch | 00:39 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, I know there is a rename | 00:39 |
| randallburt | zaneb: yeah, stuff got moved around a lot in those patches, but should be fixable in the devstack patch. | 00:39 |
| zaneb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68746/8 | 00:40 |
| zaneb | that one ^ | 00:40 |
| asalkeld | that's why I put Richard on the review | 00:40 |
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| zaneb | ok, cool | 00:40 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, that's for loading even when it won't work | 00:41 |
| asalkeld | I want the plugin to work | 00:41 |
| zaneb | yep, you're right, different thing | 00:41 |
| asalkeld | :-O | 00:41 |
| asalkeld | I'll start using the docker plugin in anger soon | 00:41 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: so you're working on Solum stuff now then? | 00:42 |
| asalkeld | yeah mostly | 00:42 |
| asalkeld | gota make it do something | 00:42 |
| zaneb | cool, sounds like a good project for you | 00:43 |
| tango|2 | Can I ask about the Update Failure Recovery bp? | 00:43 |
| zaneb | tango|2: you may | 00:43 |
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| tango|2 | I am working on the bp for troubleshooting, got a dependency on the Update Failure Recovery. | 00:44 |
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| tango|2 | what's the outlook for this bp? | 00:44 |
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| zaneb | chances are nil for icehouse :( | 00:44 |
| zaneb | I already bumped it to next | 00:44 |
| tango|2 | Is this hard to do? say for someone new like me, maybe with some guidance? | 00:45 |
| zaneb | tango|2: it's just about the hardest possible task I can imagine taking on | 00:46 |
| tango|2 | ok, that's good to know, so I won't make a fool of myself :) | 00:47 |
| zaneb | tango|2: I'm not seeing a dependency in the troubleshooting-low-level-control blueprint | 00:47 |
| zaneb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/troubleshooting-low-level-control | 00:48 |
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| tango|2 | It's for continuing a failed stack after an update | 00:48 |
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| zaneb | if you think it requires another blueprint, please add it as a dependency down at the bottom there | 00:49 |
| tango|2 | ok, I will add the dependency. | 00:49 |
| zaneb | but reading through the description, it's not clear to me that it does | 00:49 |
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| radix | fwiw pretty much everything depends on it IMO :) | 00:50 |
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| zaneb | my plan is to use the 2+ months between feature freeze and summit to work on stuff for Juno | 00:51 |
| tango|2 | if a create stack fails, and the user wants to debug, fix, then continue the stack, I think we can handle in the bp | 00:51 |
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| zaneb | that way I might have a chance of getting something done in the next cycle | 00:51 |
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| zaneb | in Icehouse I have got nothing done except emails :( | 00:51 |
| tango|2 | ok I will just handle debugging failed stack-create for now, deferring the failed stack-update till Juno | 00:52 |
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| zaneb | tango|2: it definitely seems less useful without being able to continue, but it doesn't seem like you couldn't write a significant portion of the code without that | 00:52 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 00:53 |
| zaneb | remember, you have <2 weeks left to submit patches if you want them to land for Icehouse | 00:53 |
| zaneb | ok, shall we wrap this one up? | 00:54 |
| tango|2 | sounds good | 00:54 |
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| zaneb | this meeting didn't go as quick as it was looking like after all :D | 00:54 |
| nanjj | :-) | 00:55 |
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| radix | hehe | 00:55 |
| zaneb | thanks everyone, see you next time and/or in #heat | 00:55 |
| kanabuchi | :) | 00:55 |
| kanabuchi | bye | 00:55 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 00:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 00:55:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-06-00.00.html | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-06-00.00.txt | 00:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-06-00.00.log.html | 00:55 |
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| DeeJay1 | right on time ;) | 06:59 |
| Daisy | Welcome, DeeJay1 ! | 07:00 |
| DeeJay1 | hi Daisy! | 07:00 |
| Daisy | I will start the meeting then. | 07:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 07:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| Daisy | Hello! Who are around there to attend I18n meeting? | 07:00 |
| * jimidar here | 07:01 | |
| jpich | Hi Daisy o/ | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Good moring/afternoon/evening. | 07:01 |
| jimidar | Good Afternoon from India Daisy | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 07:02 |
| Daisy | #topic Update on log messages translation plan | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on log messages translation plan (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:02 | |
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| Daisy | I raised the request to Oslo in Icehouse design summit: seperate log messages from other messages. | 07:02 |
| Daisy | With the help of Doug Hellmann ( PTL of Oslo ), the log translation plan is discussed in openstack release meeting, where most project PTLs joined. | 07:03 |
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| Daisy | Oslo team is working on the technical support. The goal is to add separate translation marker functions similar to _() with names like _LE and _LW to allow us to extract the messages into different catalogs. | 07:03 |
| Steff00 | hello everybody sorry to be late | 07:03 |
| Daisy | We are going to skip debug messages, for this phase of the project, and focus only on messages at INFO or higher levels. | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Good evening, Steff00 . | 07:04 |
| Daisy | The _() marker should only be used for end-user messages from exceptions and API calls. | 07:04 |
| Daisy | Steff00: we are on the first topic: log messages translation plan | 07:04 |
| Steff00 | ok thank you | 07:04 |
| Daisy | When Oslo team make sure their technical support well and there is no issues, they will broadcast it in the dev ML. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | I will work together with Oslo team to pick up a project as a prototype and have a try. | 07:05 |
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| Daisy | Then the syncronization scripts and resources in Transifex will be updated based on this change. We will find a resource only containing exceptions and API calls. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | Then it depends on each translation team to decide whether to translate these end-user messages in their languages in Icehouse releasy cycle. | 07:05 |
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| Daisy | In Icehouse release cycle, maybe not all projects have this update ready. But I hope to find at least one project. | 07:06 |
| Daisy | questions? comments? | 07:06 |
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| jpich | Great to see progress on this :) | 07:07 |
| Steff00 | no questions for me | 07:07 |
| Daisy | In Havana code, there are 7000+ messages in total. | 07:08 |
| DeeJay1 | I spent some time yesterday with ajeager who's handling the doc builds and we've run into some problems with building the translated documentation through tox in a seperate build environment, right now we stuck to using the generatedocbook script from the manuals package instead of the doc-tools one due to xml2po not being available in a tox virtualenv | 07:08 |
| Daisy | After separation, I think, the real end-user messages would be less than a half. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: thank you for working on it. Could we discuss it in a following topic? | 07:09 |
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| DeeJay1 | (ok, now my screen refreshed and I feel silly ;) | 07:09 |
| Daisy | :) | 07:09 |
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| Daisy | Next topic | 07:10 |
| Daisy | #topic Push on the translation of "installation guide" | 07:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Push on the translation of "installation guide" (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:10 | |
| Daisy | :) | 07:10 |
| Daisy | I think there is just a reminder. | 07:10 |
| Daisy | I see DeeJay1 is working on a website to display the installation guide in many languages. | 07:10 |
| Daisy | It's a wonderful job, DeeJay1 . | 07:11 |
| DeeJay1 | yup, but I'd like for the teams to look at the build status, there are a few issues with some of the translations | 07:11 |
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| Daisy | As we discussed before, in HK summit, infra team agreed to use a staging server for the draft translation review. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | so I think they will agree to move your work to openstack infra. | 07:12 |
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| Daisy | We just need to make sure it run well and most issues can be resolved. | 07:12 |
| DeeJay1 | I don't know if it's feasible, right now I have more room to pull the translations from transifex without commiting the po files to the repo | 07:12 |
| Daisy | What issues do you have now? | 07:13 |
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| DeeJay1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1275499 - some guides will have missing chars in the PDF documents without that | 07:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1275499 in openstack-manuals "clouddocks-maven-plugin and Polish language support" [Undecided,New] | 07:14 |
| Daisy | "pull the translations from transifex without commiting the po files to the repo", do you mean the translations are from Transfiex , not git repo? I think it's just what we want. We want to get the latest translation, whether it is committed or not? | 07:14 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: yes, but AFAIR getting the translations isn't possible on all jenkins nodes right now | 07:14 |
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| Daisy | I think that's a known issue. We could work with Doc team to resolve it. | 07:15 |
| Daisy | why "AFAIR getting the translations isn't possible on all jenkins nodes right now"? | 07:15 |
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| DeeJay1 | Daisy: transifexrc is only on a subset of them, but I'd have to double check that | 07:16 |
| Daisy | Do we need transifexrc to be installed on all nodes? I think we only need to install it on the relevant nodes. | 07:17 |
| Daisy | And I remember there is a way to config to install transifexrc. | 07:17 |
| DeeJay1 | yes, but I don't know how the infra team feels about putting the credentials to transifex on all the nodes | 07:17 |
| Daisy | I think they are open minded if we really need it. | 07:18 |
| DeeJay1 | anyway I'll take a second look at it | 07:19 |
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| DeeJay1 | so feel free to assign that task to me | 07:20 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: how about you send a summary and the issues you need help to Infra team, when you feel comfortable. Then we can start the discussion with them. | 07:20 |
| Daisy | Sure, I will. | 07:20 |
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| Daisy | as to the previous issue you raised, "we stuck to using the generatedocbook script from the manuals package instead of the doc-tools", I know this situation. | 07:21 |
| DeeJay1 | I'd like to take a look at using itstool for that | 07:21 |
| Daisy | But what's the meaning of "xml2po not being available in a tox virtualenv"? Why we need tox virtualenv? | 07:22 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: well, it's something the docs team seems to want | 07:22 |
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| Daisy | I don't understand the background. | 07:22 |
| Daisy | So if we could use doc-tools, this issue can be fixed? | 07:23 |
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| DeeJay1 | well, it seems that the background is to use a similar process like for other software, eg all the required build tools are installed in a virtualenv not to require changes to the build infrastructure if any new dependencies are added | 07:24 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:24 |
| DeeJay1 | so if you need tool X to build the manual you only change tox.ini in the openstack-manuals repo without any intervention from the infra team | 07:24 |
| Daisy | got your point. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | does our I18n use a separate config file with doc team, or we use a same tox.ini? | 07:25 |
| DeeJay1 | well, as for recently we didn't have a build infrastructure at all | 07:26 |
| Daisy | I think, they may want us to use a same tox virtualbox. That is a same tox.ini | 07:26 |
| Daisy | ok. Got your point. | 07:26 |
| Daisy | If you need any of help, send email to I18n ML. | 07:26 |
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| DeeJay1 | of course, the only thing I'd need right now is some feedback on mail recent email, about building all the docs in openstack-manuals at once vs building the docs separate | 07:27 |
| DeeJay1 | so I could forward that to the docs team | 07:28 |
| Daisy | In my last talk with ajeager , he wanted me to summary our requirements, and then we together initiate the discussion with Infra team, in order to use doc-tools. | 07:28 |
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| ujuc | oh... sorry.. ;( | 07:28 |
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| Daisy | welcome, ujuc. | 07:28 |
| ujuc | hi :) | 07:28 |
| Daisy | So I will continue the discussion with ajeager about how to use doc-tools directly, when I'm back to office. | 07:29 |
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| Daisy | Sorry for my late response, DeeJay1. I'm on vacation now and don't check email frequently. | 07:30 |
| Daisy | I think it's a wonderful work you did. | 07:30 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: n/p - I for one can only do stuff outside of work, so durin EU buisness hours I'm out of the loop anyway | 07:30 |
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| Daisy | So let's continue the discussion in ML, and improve your work together. | 07:31 |
| Daisy | can we move to next topic ? | 07:31 |
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| DeeJay1 | yes | 07:31 |
| Steff00 | ok | 07:31 |
| Daisy | #topic Work items in Feb | 07:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work items in Feb (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:32 | |
| Daisy | In this topic, we list the work items together, and find the assignees. :) | 07:32 |
| Daisy | Finish installation guide translations. | 07:32 |
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| Daisy | I think, coordinators should be the assignee. The end of Feb would be a good time to stop this work. In March, we would be very busy in the messages translation. | 07:33 |
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| Daisy | Set up Horizon messages translation environment in Transifex | 07:34 |
| Daisy | I will take this work. | 07:34 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy Set up Horizon messages translation environment in Transifex | 07:34 |
| Steff00 | ok for France wa try to go with the installation guide, it will be hard because I think I've lost a great part of the team, even me sometimes | 07:34 |
| Daisy | It's under processing. | 07:35 |
| Daisy | How many people are working on the translation together with you, Steff00 ? | 07:35 |
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| Steff00 | almost nobody anymore . I lost control one month because of work and it seems nobody does translation anymore | 07:36 |
| Daisy | :) understand. | 07:36 |
| Steff00 | I'll get new ones I hope | 07:36 |
| Daisy | Actually, the document translation has no deadline, no hard stop. | 07:37 |
| * DeeJay1 is still alone on the PL team also | 07:37 | |
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| Daisy | You can continue this work even you miss the time. | 07:37 |
| Daisy | But anyway, in march, we have to focus on the message translation because of the release cycle won't wait for us. | 07:38 |
| Steff00 | no problem, I do my best on the focuses topics | 07:38 |
| Daisy | Thank you. Steff00 . | 07:38 |
| Daisy | Write scripts and create jobs to publish these installation guides in different languages. | 07:39 |
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| Daisy | I think, DeeJay1 has do a good job, and it's very similar to what he has finished now. | 07:39 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1 may want to focus on his current work. So are there anybody else who would like to work on it? | 07:40 |
| Daisy | Or how can we leverage DeeJay1's work ? | 07:40 |
| Daisy | What we need to do is to publish our translations in docs.openstack.org. | 07:41 |
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| Daisy | If nobody, I can take it too. | 07:41 |
| Steff00 | I try to do it for french | 07:42 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy and Steff00 to publish the translations to docs.openstack.org. | 07:42 |
| Daisy | Yes, I definitely need your help, Steff00 . At least, each of you need to write a page in your own language as an index page of your language. | 07:43 |
| Steff00 | It will be apleasue DAisy :) | 07:43 |
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| Daisy | Just like what Japanese team has done: http://docs.openstack.org/ja/ | 07:43 |
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| Steff00 | I'll take a look today at the japanese page | 07:44 |
| Daisy | Yes, Steff00 . After we do it, it will be a great success, which we can broadcast in next summit. | 07:44 |
| Steff00 | I think I won't be at the Atlanta Summit, hard to get the money for the fly | 07:45 |
| DeeJay1 | hmm, I'd like to take a look if we can leverage the main docs page and just make it translatable | 07:45 |
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| DeeJay1 | IMHO the language pages should provide links to the English docs in case the docs in <language> aren't provided | 07:46 |
| Daisy | Steff00: if you want, many be you can apply for a travel sponsor program. | 07:46 |
| DeeJay1 | so in the end we could just point browsers to specific versions | 07:46 |
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| Steff00 | Daisy : Why not | 07:46 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: I don't know if we really want to "links to the English docs in case the docs in <language> aren't provided" | 07:47 |
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| Daisy | If we only translate the main page, and provide English doc links, the help we provide to the readers is only the translation of main page. If readers cannot understand English main page, how can they understand English doc? | 07:48 |
| Steff00 | they won't | 07:49 |
| Daisy | Currently, we only provide links to locale language documents in locale page. | 07:49 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: ok, let me put it this way - right now you have to be on the English page first just to be able to select the Japanese page | 07:49 |
| Daisy | Yes. | 07:49 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: do you want me to assign you a task: move your website to OpenStack Infra? You don't need to finish it in Feb, but it can be a clear goal for you. Is that OK with you? | 07:51 |
| amotoki | hi, i just backed from the meeting. | 07:51 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: yeah, I'll work with Andreas to put it up on docs-draft somehow | 07:51 |
| Daisy | Thank you, DeeJay1. | 07:52 |
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| Daisy | #action DeeJay1 to move the document publish website to docs-draft | 07:52 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: we are going to move to open discussion now. | 07:53 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 07:53 |
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| Daisy | anything to discuss here? | 07:53 |
| amotoki | Daisy: what does "Set up Horizon messages translation environment in Transifex" mean? | 07:53 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: besides to publish the draft translation documents, do you have further plan to improve it, as a way for translators to easily do the review? | 07:53 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: it's to set up the resources, make sure the synchronization scripts running well before March, then we can start the translation after string freeze. | 07:54 |
| ujuc | install guide end in Feb 28??? | 07:54 |
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| DeeJay1 | Daisy: frankly, I'd like to get rid of the code fragments in the po files | 07:55 |
| Daisy | no deadline ujuc. But it's a good date to close the document translation, because we have to focus on the message translation in order to catch the release date. | 07:55 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: it's just needles copy&paste IMO | 07:55 |
| amotoki | Daisy: i see. I start to think it may be okay to import from transifex to master automatically too. | 07:55 |
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| ujuc | Daisy: ok :) | 07:55 |
| amotoki | Daisy: what do you think? | 07:56 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: then you may need to improve two scripts in doc-tools. | 07:56 |
| Daisy | Agree, amotoki . | 07:56 |
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| Daisy | I like automation too. | 07:56 |
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| DeeJay1 | Daisy: yeah, but I wonder if someone has a need for them to exist... | 07:57 |
| amotoki | After milestone-proposed is cut, we need to do it manually, so we can control the quality of the release I believe. | 07:57 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: in my mind, if we want to use your website as a review tool, I think we need to a way to facilitate reviewers to report the errors to translators they find. | 07:58 |
| Daisy | amotoki: even we automatically import from Transifex to master, there is a review job created in gerrit. | 07:59 |
| Daisy | It's not 100% automation. Is this what you want? | 07:59 |
| Daisy | Now nova, glance and etc are using this way to import translations. | 08:00 |
| amotoki | Daisy: yes, but the patch of translation import is not checked from the content point of view... | 08:00 |
| Daisy | somebody must approve before it finally gets merge. | 08:00 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: there's a report bug on every page I think, maybe I could switch it to do the reporting against openstack-i18n instead of manuals | 08:00 |
| Daisy | nice thinking, DeeJay1 | 08:01 |
| Daisy | amotoki: after milestone-proposed, who do you plan to do the merge manually? | 08:01 |
| amotoki | +1 for bug link to i18n site. | 08:01 |
| Daisy | somebody who can take reponsible for the content review? | 08:02 |
| amotoki | i think so now. milestone-proposed is very tricky, so it is not easy to automate. | 08:02 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: it is expected to be done on Transifex. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | so we only import reviewed contents? | 08:03 |
| amotoki | IMO it is okay to import all contents. | 08:03 |
| jpich | Even if the language is not at 100%? | 08:04 |
| amotoki | because we upload final translation for milestonr-proposed. | 08:04 |
| amotoki | and we can drop non-100% lang at this stage. | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: if we follow Nova and glace and etc, the importing is being done daily, which will generate a review job in gerrit. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | As our first plan, some coordinators should be included as the reviewer to vote +1. | 08:05 |
| amotoki | yeah. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | But now, I don't think the coordinators are involved. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | so the approval is being done by technical developers. | 08:05 |
| Steff00 | Sorry I have to leave . | 08:05 |
| amotoki | The meeting time is over. Can we continue the discussion in #openstack-translation? | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Sure. sorry I don't notice the time. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for your attending! | 08:06 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 08:06:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-06-07.00.html | 08:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-06-07.00.txt | 08:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-02-06-07.00.log.html | 08:06 |
| jpich | I must go as well unfortunately, please let the list know what is decided with regard to automating the translation reviews :) Thanks! | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | I will, jpich! | 08:07 |
| ujuc | :) | 08:07 |
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| enikanorov__ | hi, who's for lbaas meeting? | 14:00 |
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| obondarev | hi | 14:01 |
| evgenyf | Hi | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov__ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 14:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy! I am! | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:01 |
| edhall | hi | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, lets start with the announcements | 14:02 |
| vjay | hi | 14:02 |
| avishayb | hello | 14:02 |
| enikanorov__ | and the most important is that gates are working more or less | 14:02 |
| obondarev | \o/ | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov__ | so core team may spend more time on reviews | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov__ | and also you actually can get +1 on your patches | 14:03 |
| vjay | :-) | 14:03 |
| evgenyf | Good! | 14:03 |
| enikanorov__ | and if it's -1 from Jenkins - you need to really dig into the logs | 14:03 |
| enikanorov__ | and not just recheck no bug :) | 14:03 |
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| baoli | Hi, rkukura | 14:03 |
| enikanorov__ | the second announcement is that feature proposal deadline is 18th of feb | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov__ | if i'm not mistaken, so any new featuers implementation should be published before that | 14:04 |
| vjay | what is published? merged to trunk or submitted to Gerrit? | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov__ | pushed to gerrit. if it's on review alredy - that's fine | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov__ | we have whole line of patches under development on all three major features | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | l7, lb instance, ssl | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | the features are important and make a big part of lbaas API and functionality | 14:06 |
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| enikanorov__ | in my opinion there are very little chances that what we are working on right now will be merged in Icehouce | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov__ | but at the same time we'd like to give users some advancement in lbaas service over what whas in Havana | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov__ | so there is an idea to make a 'downstream' version of neutron (focused on lbaas plugin and drivers) | 14:09 |
| vjay | what does that mean? can you elaborate? | 14:09 |
| enikanorov__ | yep | 14:09 |
| enikanorov__ | that supposed to be the merge of current master + exsiting features on review, which are stable and tested | 14:10 |
| enikanorov__ | so the branch could be packed and given to users for early adoption | 14:10 |
| enikanorov__ | so I'd like to ask if that makes sense to you guys? | 14:11 |
| vjay | who will track and make this release happen? | 14:11 |
| obondarev | who will be using that downstream version? Are therte such requests from someone? | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | When should that happen? | 14:11 |
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| avishayb | I think some of Radware customers are candidates | 14:12 |
| enikanorov__ | vjay: i guess i'm going to do that if there is such demand | 14:12 |
| enikanorov__ | now i'm exploring the need for that | 14:12 |
| enikanorov__ | of course this is some additional work that needs to be done | 14:12 |
| avishayb | we can not come with nothing in lbaas for H version | 14:12 |
| enikanorov__ | however it may be beneficial for some vendors/customers | 14:13 |
| enikanorov__ | but having downstream version doesn't means every unmerget lbaas patch gets in | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov__ | so we need some kind of policy for that (of course focused on quality) | 14:14 |
| obondarev | are there any examples of such downstream versions in any other OS projects? | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov__ | obondarev: in fact many adopters use whiole OS in such manner | 14:15 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov__: are we planning to do this version before or after a freeze of Icehouse | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | I'm trying to understand will it be beneficial for development speed | 14:16 |
| obondarev | yeah, I know, my question was about kind of official downstream version | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov__ | as we'll need to work with two repos | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: we don't have deadlines, although what I'm talking about is not something decided | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | it's just an idea | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | i'm going to discuss it with Mark | 14:16 |
| vjay | How will fixes get into this branch? | 14:17 |
| enikanorov__ | as we don't wan't to position it as 'here, have that, because neutron could not make anything in Icehouse' | 14:17 |
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| vjay | till when we will support this? | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | vjay: i think if a patch passes Jenkins and the author has tests to verify the patch, it will be a candidate for inclusion | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | by saying tests i mean integration tests | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | (scenarios) | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | vjay: good question. It needs to be decided | 14:19 |
| enikanorov__ | meanwhile it would be good if you could ask potential customers if they will be willing to try such kind of stuff. | 14:20 |
| vjay | well, i know of two types of customers. one that dont want to move from havana to icehouse. Others who wants to jump from grizzly directly to icehouse. | 14:21 |
| vjay | using this version will be very tricky | 14:21 |
| obondarev | a question: what about horizon? do we need a downstream horizon version for new features merged to downstream neutron? | 14:21 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, basically that's the argument against the idea :) | 14:22 |
| vjay | will this branch be kept in sync with neutron changes in icehouse? | 14:22 |
| vjay | changes == fixes | 14:22 |
| enikanorov__ | obondarev: i don't think so, CLI would be enough | 14:22 |
| enikanorov__ | vjay: yes | 14:22 |
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| vjay | and it will be cut on top of havana? | 14:22 |
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| obondarev | enikanorov__: is CLI really ok for customers? | 14:23 |
| vjay | sorry | 14:23 |
| vjay | icehouse | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov__ | vjay: i think it will be following current master, because we are not targeting particular release | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov__ | it matters how we distribute the code | 14:24 |
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| vjay | then it will be tricky. | 14:24 |
| obondarev | enikanorov__: ok, so for CLI we need a downstream neutron client version - right? | 14:24 |
| enikanorov__ | it could be a mere diff applied to a certain revision of neutron's master | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov__ | obondarev: yes | 14:24 |
| enikanorov__ | vjay: it's not very simple, but we can try to make it simple | 14:24 |
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| obondarev | enikanorov__: things are getting complicated :) | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov__ | well, not really | 14:25 |
| vjay | hmm...it is a long shot... as you said we need to first verify the need. | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | to test a new feature in the devstack you only need to provide a link to a repo | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | in your localrc | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | so using downstream version should not be more complex | 14:26 |
| edhall | so what specific functionality will be added to this branch? | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov__ | edhall: based on review results. it could be a common case when feature is not getting approved because of some minor concerns or feature freeze or ... | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov__ | in this case if we are sure it's working - we add it to our branch | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov__ | any more questions on the downstream idea? | 14:29 |
| evgenyf | Let's here Mark's opinion | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | Expansion on edhall's question: Are there specific features being considered to add to this branch right now? | 14:30 |
| evgenyf | hear* | 14:30 |
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| enikanorov__ | sbalukoff: i think we don't have major feature that is ready for that | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 14:31 |
| enikanorov__ | loadbalancer instance may be, but it's not a big addition to functionality | 14:31 |
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| enikanorov__ | also, we'll have 3 months between feature freeze and the time new features will be reviewed for merging | 14:32 |
| vjay | enikanorov__: just to double confirm. there is no chance that ssl, l7 will make it to icehouse. is that right? | 14:33 |
| enikanorov__ | i didn't say no chance, but i don't think we will manage to polish those features | 14:33 |
| edhall | so this is essentially a way to progress in the face of the Feb 18th feature freeze? | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | That's what it sounds like to me, too. | 14:34 |
| obondarev | feature freeze is Feb 28 I think | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov__ | yes, but our deadline is closer | 14:35 |
| obondarev | so we have a bit more time to polish | 14:35 |
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| obondarev | what is our deadline? | 14:35 |
| enikanorov__ | right, our objective is to publish the code before 18th :) | 14:35 |
| enikanorov__ | not have it merged | 14:36 |
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| enikanorov__ | we'll have ~2 additional weeks to address review comments | 14:36 |
| enikanorov__ | but it's still lot's of work | 14:36 |
| obondarev | right | 14:36 |
| obondarev | it's all depends on the review speed | 14:37 |
| obondarev | from core reviewers | 14:37 |
| enikanorov__ | i think it also depends on development speed right now | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov__ | as we don't have working implementations of l7 and ssl yet | 14:37 |
| obondarev | right now yes | 14:38 |
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| obondarev | so let's move to the statuses on features? | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | let's briefly discuss the features under development | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | i'll start with lb instance | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | the patch is ready, obondarev is working on applying instance approach to haproxy | 14:40 |
| obondarev | I've uploaded a patch wich adopts lb instance for agent scheduling | 14:40 |
| enikanorov__ | so users will be able to create multiple pools in haproxy | 14:40 |
| enikanorov__ | these are prerequisities for L7 rules | 14:40 |
| obondarev | second patch will adopt lb instance for lbaas agent itself, I'm working on it | 14:40 |
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| evgenyf | my next steps for SSL are: writing db layer unitests and fixing all review comments | 14:42 |
| enikanorov__ | avishayb: obondarev: what's the status of l7? do we have CLI for l7 resources? | 14:42 |
| avishayb | I have updated the wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/l7 | 14:42 |
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| evgenyf | BTW, I have undated the WIKI page too, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/SSL | 14:42 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: good | 14:42 |
| avishayb | its in sync with the code now. Begining next week I will start to react on reviews | 14:43 |
| avishayb | No CLI yet | 14:43 |
| enikanorov__ | avishayb: i see | 14:43 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: i have another concern on ssl API | 14:43 |
| obondarev | avishayb: I put some new comments on the patch. Also will be great if you can address/answer comments on the previous patch sets | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov__ | it seems complex to me, so I'd like to see some ability to use simplified workflow | 14:43 |
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| avishayb | obodarev: I will | 14:44 |
| obondarev | it's really hard to review if you don't know what you agrre and what not and why | 14:44 |
| enikanorov__ | i'll explain what i mean | 14:44 |
| evgenyf | There is beagaviour description for vip/pool/ssl policy protocole mismatches. Guys, please have a look.. | 14:44 |
| evgenyf | *behaviour | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov__ | by saying 'complex API' i don't mean it needs to be changed, but instead it should provide ability to do things on less steps | 14:45 |
| obondarev | avishayb: thanks | 14:45 |
| enikanorov__ | say, create a vip with 1 command, providing all ssl attributes | 14:45 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: do you think it's possible? | 14:45 |
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| enikanorov__ | 1 command = 1 rest call | 14:45 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov__: Do you mean using CLI? | 14:47 |
| enikanorov__ | no, i'd prefer to see it in the API | 14:47 |
| enikanorov__ | it's like loadbalancer instance, you can create one, and then add pool to it, or you can create a pool and lb instance will be created for the pool automatically | 14:48 |
| enikanorov__ | can we apply the same approach to policies/certs? | 14:48 |
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| evgenyf | you mean applying default SSL poliy and certs. to vip on creation stage? | 14:49 |
| vjay | default cert? | 14:50 |
| enikanorov__ | no | 14:50 |
| enikanorov__ | i mean i could provide cert on vip create | 14:50 |
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| evgenyf | I do not see a reason for doing that.. can you elaborate ? | 14:51 |
| enikanorov__ | i'm just thinking of the terrible amount of parameters i need right now to setup a ssl vip | 14:51 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, i'll review the API again and will explain more precisely | 14:51 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov__: Ok, let's discuss it | 14:52 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, that's all i wanted to discuss today | 14:52 |
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| enikanorov__ | doesn anyone have questions/items to discuss? | 14:52 |
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| evgenyf | Please review SSL wiki page for new details | 14:53 |
| obondarev | lbaas scenario test is in good shape, should be merged soon | 14:53 |
| vjay | is anyone working on sslconnect+haproxy? | 14:53 |
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| enikanorov__ | vjay: stunnel? | 14:54 |
| vjay | sorry, yes stunnel | 14:54 |
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| enikanorov__ | it's me, but i have not made much progress on that particular item as I'm working with evgenyf on ssl API patch | 14:55 |
| vjay | ok. | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, if theres' no other questions then let's wrap up | 14:57 |
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| enikanorov__ | thanks for joining everyone | 14:58 |
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| vjay | bye. | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:58 |
| obondarev | bye all | 14:58 |
| s3wong | bye | 14:58 |
| evgenyf | bye | 14:58 |
| enikanorov__ | see you all | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov__ | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 14:58:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-06-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-06-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-06-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 15:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| tongli | hi, @jd__ | 15:00 |
| tongli | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ildikov_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| nprivalova | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Milestone status icehouse-3 | 15:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Milestone status icehouse-3 (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
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| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | so a lot of things are started, but it'd be great to finish ASAP | 15:02 |
| ildikov_ | we still need approval for this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62157/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | otherwise we'll be caught in the gate storm | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | ildikov_: yeah I'll try to take a look at it | 15:03 |
| gordc | ildikov_: i may have time to review tomorrow as well. | 15:03 |
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| ildikov_ | jd__: thanks | 15:03 |
| jd__ | otherwise not much to add on my part yet | 15:04 |
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| ildikov_ | thanks guys, it would be really good, if we could go on wih the statistics bp and also have the patch sets of the complex query landed in i-3 | 15:04 |
| jd__ | anything else about one of your blueprint? | 15:04 |
| nprivalova | I'm still confused about aggregation | 15:04 |
| nprivalova | not sure should I continue or not | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: do you have a requirement on that? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: did we come to any conclusion on the overlapping periods issue I raised? | 15:05 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:05 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:05 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... i.e. the question of whether aggregation can be helpful in the common case of periods that overlap | 15:06 |
| * jd__ dodges the issue | 15:06 | |
| nprivalova | eglynn: we agreed that it is not for alarming | 15:06 |
| nprivalova | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/base-aggregation | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: k, then the question really is the potential benefit for the other common cases of recurring statistics queries | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... if we can detect when the same query constraints recurr | 15:08 |
| nprivalova | yep, I agree. I saw a comment about billing use case | 15:08 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... and match the actual query constraints to the pre-aggregated values | 15:08 |
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| nprivalova | anyway, I think we may continue with meeting :) | 15:08 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:08 |
| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | wassup on that? | 15:09 |
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| nprivalova | we have the following | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/add-basic-ceilometer-tests,n,z | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | so notifications part is done | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | but we have a bug :) | 15:09 |
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| nprivalova | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1274607 | 15:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1274607 in ceilometer "ceilometer-agent-notification is broken without eventlet monkey patching" [Critical,In progress] | 15:10 |
| nprivalova | yep, so that's why we have only -1 from Jenkins | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | fair enough, that one should be resolved soon fortunately | 15:11 |
| nprivalova | I'm testing the fix | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | no need this AFAIK | 15:11 |
| eglynn | *for this | 15:12 |
| jd__ | ok :) | 15:12 |
| jd__ | #topic Polling-on-demand discussion (ityaptin) | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | ityaptin: enlighten us | 15:12 |
| ityaptin | about pollsters on demand. Use cases of this feature are tests and debug. | 15:12 |
| nprivalova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66551/ | 15:13 |
| jd__ | (nprivalova: the fix works if you have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71124/) | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | so the purpose of this is to trigger polling for tests ... could the same be acheived by simply configuring the test with a v. short pipeline interval? | 15:13 |
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| gordc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/run-all-pollsters-on-demand | 15:14 |
| ityaptin | And exists proposal to turn on this feature only with flag 'debug', because somebody can DoS ceilometer with starting pollstering. | 15:14 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: you're… not fired! | 15:14 |
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| * dhellmann whew! | 15:14 | |
| eglynn | i.e. the test needs to precipitate events that happen relatively infrequently (i.e. polling cycles with the boilerplate pipeline.yaml) | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ... so one approach would be simply to make these events more frequent in the test scenario | 15:15 |
| gordc | ityaptin: how does the flag get set? the DoS issue was a concern when i read bp | 15:15 |
| sileht | fyi: I have added this to devstack: CEILOMETER_PIPELINE_INTERVAL=10 | 15:15 |
| jd__ | the problem is that polling != having sample anyway, there's no guarantee that samples are going to be available N seconds after being polled | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | is this for tempest tests or unit tests? | 15:15 |
| jd__ | nothing's synchronous | 15:15 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: tempest | 15:15 |
| tongli | @eglynn, that still won't be the same, I would think. | 15:15 |
| sileht | perhaps we can just set a different value for devstack-gate | 15:15 |
| jd__ | DoS concern? I doubt that, it's a feature available on RPC | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | sure the admin can DoS himself, but well.. he's admin | 15:16 |
| eglynn | tongli: not exactly equivalent, but perhaps a close enough analogue? | 15:16 |
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| nprivalova | I think it's not only for tempest. When I install devstack it is useful just to check that pollsters work ok, without waiting interval | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: agreed | 15:16 |
| ityaptin | gordc: For example - debug option | 15:16 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... but the test has to wait anyway for some "ingestion" lag | 15:16 |
| tongli | @eglynn, I think it will be nice to hit an enter key, then expect the code hit the break point. | 15:17 |
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| sileht | eglynn, agree, for example the swift accounts size is done by a async swift task | 15:17 |
| tongli | @eglynn, @ityaptin, or you use the new notification alarm. | 15:17 |
| sileht | eglynn, so you have to wait swift have updated the value because ceilometer poll it | 15:18 |
| sileht | because/before | 15:18 |
| tongli | which will simply trigger it as soon as a notification is present on the bus. | 15:18 |
| * jd__ has no problem with that feature | 15:18 | |
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| dhellmann | if we're going to have a special test mode, it seems like it makes the most sense to make that a separate executable that runs the polling one time and exits | 15:18 |
| nprivalova | actually the question was about default value for debug flag :) | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | rather than adding a test mode to the main service | 15:18 |
| gordc | dhellmann: agreed | 15:19 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: ... that sounds reasonable to me | 15:19 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: if that would be synchronous, that'd be better | 15:19 |
| ityaptin | tongli: If we want to test pollsters it does not suitable | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann FTW | 15:19 |
| tongli | @ityaptin, true. | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yeah, just refactor the code that runs the polling pipelines so it can be called from a console script | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I vote for that definitely, because that would be much better for Tempest | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | that wouldn't do anything for testing the collector | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | do we need some way to have the collector notify tests when data is available? | 15:20 |
| jd__ | what I don't know is if it's reasonable to use that trick in tempest? | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: that'd be great | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__: good point, we wouldn't really be testing the polling service | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | but we could have separate tests for that | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | if the point is to show that the service works and the pollsters work, do they have to run in the same test to know they work? | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | or we can also use the API method as in the current patch if it's synchronous, i.e. the GET /pollsters returns only when all pollsters are run | 15:21 |
| nprivalova | we may set configs only in devstack | 15:21 |
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| nprivalova | there is o way to hack smth in tempest | 15:21 |
| jd__ | having a callback on the collector is another issue, I don't have a solution yet but we can think about something else later I gues | 15:21 |
| eglynn | in general I wonder how does tempest handle asserting other asynchronous tasks have completed? | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: ah, so we have to set devstack to configure ceilometer for tempest? | 15:21 |
| eglynn | such as spinning up an instance | 15:21 |
| eglynn | or a volume becoming available? | 15:22 |
| nprivalova | dhellmann: AFAIK, yes | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I see a lot of polling for status and timing out in the errors in the recheck list | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: ok | 15:22 |
| jd__ | eglynn: by waiting and timing out, which has the potential to make Ceilometer the new Neutron :/ | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | yeah I guess | 15:23 |
| nprivalova | maybe we should move it to mailing list? | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | are we emitting any sort of notification of having received data? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | ... /me is made a bit nervous by making big changes to the ceilo execution path for testing | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | could we write the test to watch the log for a specific message, or to listen for a notification? | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yeah | 15:23 |
| eglynn | ... in the sense that we end up testing something other than what actually runs in prod | 15:24 |
| jd__ | sending notification when we receive notifications? | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: otherwise I guess the test would call the api over and over until it got the data it wanted? | 15:24 |
| jd__ | Ceilometer inception | 15:24 |
| nprivalova | oh no :) | 15:24 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yeah… polling and timing out :( | 15:24 |
| eglynn | yeah so in prod its not the extra notification being emitted that has value, it's these data being visible in the API | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: sure, I'm just trying to figure out how to write the test with the least polling | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | maybe polling is the best thing we can do | 15:25 |
| eglynn | ... I dunno, suppose we did something funky with mongo replication | 15:25 |
| jd__ | I think so for now | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | polling would certainly be simplest | 15:25 |
| eglynn | ... and the data stopped being visible from a secondary replica | 15:25 |
| eglynn | ... but the tests still pass | 15:26 |
| jd__ | now the question is, is it acceptable to have a different path for polling (a request to the API) rather than the regular timer in term of testing | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: but our tests aren't for mongo, they're for our code | 15:26 |
| nprivalova | notifications is another question. Now we are speaking only about polling | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: I thinking of our mongo storage driver doing some replication aware logic that has the potential to be broken | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: what I was hinting at was having ceilometer send a notification that the test could listen for to know when data had arrived, instead of polling the API | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: if we have to put replication logic in our driver, then we'd have to test for it -- we don't have anything like that now, right? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: nope, we don't ... that was just off the cuff example of something that could break | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: ok | 15:27 |
| jd__ | I think this is going too far? | 15:28 |
| tongli | @dhellmann, I am working the notification alarm, if that is what you asked. | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I think my previous question is a good one, can I haz a cheese^W^Wyour opinion? | 15:28 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: and might not be caught by a test that just asserted for a special notification that the collector had seen the incoming metering message | 15:28 |
| tongli | @dhellmann, when a notification appears, you can make something happen, | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ok, I think we're talking about 2 different things | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | tongli: good point, just a sec | 15:28 |
| eglynn | s/collector/notification agent/ | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I was talking about how the test would know when ceilometer's collector had received data | 15:29 |
| nprivalova | let us write to mailing list again because honestly I don't see any solution now | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: good idea | 15:29 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I know, but that's a different topic that the one we're discussing | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | sorry, I thought we had moved on | 15:29 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: so I'd like to have an answer on the first point, first :) | 15:30 |
| * dhellmann wonders when jd__ became such a stickler ;-) | 15:30 | |
| jd__ | which is having different path used to poll the data | 15:30 |
| nprivalova | and please take a look into notification tests in tempest, because we need to be sure that tests are correct | 15:30 |
| jd__ | lol | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | I think it's a mistake to build something in for testing that is too different from something that would be useful in production | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we have a periodic polling loop, so we need a test that shows that we poll periodically | 15:30 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: +1 | 15:30 |
| jd__ | agreed | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | if we have an API to trigger polling, then we need a *separate* test to show that the api triggers polling | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | so we might as well just test for the code we have now, since we can't avoid it | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | if, as nprivalova says, we have to use the devstack configuration, then we will need to adjust the polling interval there to something relatively small and use that for the test | 15:31 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:32 | |
| eglynn | yep ... my suggestion exactly | 15:32 |
| jd__ | as far as the notification of notification received is concern, I think it's something we should think about | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | alternately, if we could have the test adjust that interval -- maybe by starting a second copy of the service? -- then we could do all of this in tempest | 15:32 |
| jd__ | but probably not here and now :) | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: for notification of notifications, we might be able to use the alarm trigger feature, but that is using some production code to test other production code | 15:33 |
| jd__ | indeed | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | so it might be better conceptually to just have the test poll the API looking for the data | 15:33 |
| eglynn | as long as the polling is "smart" enough, it that approach really that bad? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | that would be good enough for now anyway | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | which is less elegant, in some sense, but more "correct" from a testing standpoint | 15:33 |
| jd__ | eglynn: we'll see? | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: nah, it just feels a little heavy-handed | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | by "smart" I mean say using a reasonably adaptive/backed-off intra-poll delay | 15:34 |
| jd__ | it's tempest, you can hammer the API | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: right | 15:34 |
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| dhellmann | haha | 15:34 |
| jd__ | "adaptive", tsss :) | 15:34 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:35 |
| jd__ | GIVE ME THE DAMN DATA YOU API | 15:35 |
| jd__ | that's how we should do it | 15:35 |
| jd__ | shall we move on gentlemen? | 15:35 |
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| nprivalova | unfortunately we should commit it to devstack first :) | 15:35 |
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| sileht | devstack already have CEILOMETER_PIPELINE_INTERVAL configuration variable, so we just have to set it in gate-devstack | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | (and gentlewomen) | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: would that be a problem? | 15:36 |
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| nprivalova | sileht: I will work on this | 15:36 |
| jd__ | good point sileht | 15:36 |
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| dhellmann | sileht saves us from over-engineering | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | #topic Work with metadata discussion | 15:37 |
| nprivalova | jd__, I don't know :) maybe you have a power to commit everything to everywhere | 15:37 |
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| nprivalova | it's me again | 15:37 |
| jd__ | nprivalova: I may or may not have some super power :D | 15:37 |
| nprivalova | The long story short: | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | When user requests meters or resources their's metadata is being flattened. | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | On other hand, when meter or resource is stored to db their metadata is flattened too. | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | These two processes are independent and now two different flatten-functions exist. | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | We decided to keep only one of them (related bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1268618). | 15:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1268618 in ceilometer "similar flatten dict methods exists" [Medium,In progress] | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | After some discussions with team I decided to use dict_to_keyval everywhere. The reason is that this func allow user to create queues on lists and doesn't contain bugs. | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | So the question: API layer is the only place where recursive_keypairs is used and this function contais a bug. | 15:38 |
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| nprivalova | The perfect solution is to change recursive_keypairs=>dict_to_keyval in API, but output of these funcs are different | 15:39 |
| nprivalova | You may take a look here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67704/4/ceilometer/api/controllers/v2.py | 15:39 |
| nprivalova | Is it absolutely forbidden to make any changes in API output? We may postpone to change recursive_keypairs=>dict_to_keyval in API but maybe we may fix a bug in recursive_keypairs and fix all our wrong tests? | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: what's the bug in recursive_keypairs? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | well it would be forbidden I'd say to make changes that could break existing API callers | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | yes, changing the return format would require an API version bump | 15:40 |
| nprivalova | should I fix the bug but simulate it again in API to keep the behaviour? | 15:40 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | which isn't out of the question, but is probably not something we want to do at this point in the cycle | 15:40 |
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| nprivalova | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1268628 | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1268628 in ceilometer "recursive_keypairs doesn't throw 'separator' param to next iteration" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:41 |
| gordc | nprivalova: i guess your fix is good then. i actually don't like how we're outputing some odd formatting... but it will change output to fix it. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: ah | 15:41 |
| gordc | since the consensus is to not change output i think we need to keep your patch in to keep output consistent as before. | 15:42 |
| nprivalova | yep, just wanted to clear that | 15:42 |
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| jd__ | cool | 15:43 |
| jd__ | I like when we all agree | 15:43 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:43 |
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| nprivalova | and one more cr https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68583/ | 15:43 |
| gordc | nprivalova: you've no idea how much it bothers me seeing 'a.b:c:d' keys.lol i'll review patch again | 15:43 |
| nprivalova | gordc: cool :) | 15:44 |
| tongli | anyone know if the ctrl+c problem was fixed or not? | 15:44 |
| nprivalova | tongli: where? in devstack? | 15:44 |
| tongli | yes. | 15:45 |
| tongli | I do not think that is specific to devstack though. | 15:45 |
| sileht | tongli, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70338/ this one is missing I think for CRTL+C issue | 15:45 |
| nprivalova | tongli: oh, I'm not alone :) Today I faced it several times with devstack-master | 15:45 |
| gordc | tongli: it's patched. the oslo sync code just got merged. | 15:46 |
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| tongli | ok. good. | 15:46 |
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| nprivalova | do you have some bug-scrub procedure? | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... do you mean triaging the bug queue? | 15:48 |
| eglynn | ... or squashing the actual bugs with a concerted effort at fixing? | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | ... such as a "bug-squashing day" | 15:48 |
| nprivalova | I meant clean-up | 15:49 |
| nprivalova | and triaging, yes | 15:49 |
| tongli | nova had few of these days in the past, | 15:49 |
| eglynn | a clean-up that ends with a neater, prioritized queue ... but not necessarily with fixed bugs, right? | 15:49 |
| ddutta | Hi I am a noob in ceilometer .... was reading code ..... any place i can help to start learning about the code? | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | hi, ddutta! | 15:50 |
| jd__ | ddutta: try fixing a bug? | 15:50 |
| nprivalova | and the same with bps. I just found a bug with 'Confirmed' state that was fixed half of the year ago :) | 15:50 |
| ddutta | btw I found a trivial typo too :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71431/ | 15:50 |
| ddutta | dhellmann: hi ... would love to do something here as my interests are in streaming data mining and machine learning :) ... | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | ddutta: you've seen http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/ right? | 15:52 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... the newer bugs seem to be traiged fairly rapidly in general, but seems like we may need to do a periodic trawl of the older ones for dupes/stales etc. | 15:52 |
| ddutta | will take on some simple bugs for starters to get more code and design insight ,...... | 15:52 |
| gordc | nprivalova: which bug was that? i occasionally run through bugs to clean them up a bit... i tend to let jenkins switch bug status so i guess it missed it in this case. | 15:52 |
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| ddutta | dhellmann: yes I started to read those | 15:52 |
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| gordc | ddutta: i tend to throw breakpoints in code i'm interested in and step through... probably doesn't work for everyone but works for me. | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | ddutta: +2 on that patch, good eye | 15:54 |
| nprivalova | gordc: ah, ok. it was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1217412 . We've changed the status | 15:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1217412 in ceilometer "HBase DB driver losing historical resource metadata" [Medium,Fix released] | 15:54 |
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| ddutta | dhellmann: thx .... on to the bugs now | 15:55 |
| ddutta | gordc: good idea .... | 15:55 |
| gordc | nprivalova: ah, yeah. that status wasn't updated by build... i guess anyone can change the status so if you notice anything feel free to make updates. | 15:55 |
| jd__ | time to wrap up guys | 15:57 |
| jd__ | feel free to continue in #openstack-ceilometer :) | 15:57 |
| jd__ | happy hacking! | 15:57 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| gothicmindfood | #startmeeting storyboard | 16:04 |
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| gothicmindfood | #topic Current State of MVP | 16:05 |
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| gothicmindfood | krotscheck: your floor | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | ALrightey | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | So to I finished the first run of the UI on monday, and that's working in a no-backend state. | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Yesterday I got it wired up to the API. | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | Both of those WIP MVP commits work together, except both buidls are currently failing. | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | The Webclient is failing because... I don't know, apparently the database credentials stopped working on the integration tests? | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | The API changes are failing because I hacked that shit together as quickly as possible and it's code that should be thrown out and burned in effigy. | 16:07 |
| gothicmindfood | does anyone want to volunteer to burn krotscheck 's API code and replace it with something else? | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'll have a look at your change | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | Other than that, there is no auth layer, but the UI and the API can now create projects, stories, adn tasks. | 16:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Auth contorller is in progress | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Nice! | 16:09 |
| gothicmindfood | yay! | 16:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | awesome ;) | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm just trying to launch in the most simple config with in-mem sotrage | 16:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, I think it'll be enough for MVP0 | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it should be | 16:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the diff is that non in-memory storage will just not logout all users after restart | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | ALso, the tasks API doesn't actually seem to save titles. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | And the data model doesn't have a description either. | 16:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | the migration with an additional field should cure the problem | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | In case anyone is curious, the non-api client is here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/97/70897/1/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-unittests/32bcc1d/dist/#!/ | 16:11 |
| * krotscheck cedes the floor to NikitaKonovalov | 16:11 | |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hmm, the link above is a blank page for me | 16:12 |
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| * gothicmindfood loves the non-api client and thinks it's nice looking | 16:12 | |
| gothicmindfood | it's not blank for me. | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Ehh? Whaa? anything interesting showing up in the console? | 16:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | now it's ok | 16:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there was a tim-out, but 10 page refreshes and it's working | 16:14 |
| gothicmindfood | NikitaKonovalov: anything you want to cover re: auth or the api? | 16:14 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Everything is clear for me right now | 16:15 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so implementation should not take very long | 16:15 |
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| gothicmindfood | NikitaKonovalov and SergeyLukjanov - also, did you guys see the auth specs krotscheck and I wrote out at http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAuth ? | 16:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | gothicmindfood, not yes | 16:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | gothicmindfood, not yet* | 16:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | gothicmindfood, I'll take a look on it tomorrow | 16:17 |
| gothicmindfood | Ok - not a problem. Feel free to get in there and edit it, too, SergeyLukjanov - we just wanted to do a krotscheck brain dump before he went to Thailand and abandoned us all :) | 16:17 |
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| krotscheck | I'm not abandoning you! | 16:18 |
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| * gothicmindfood kids krotscheck | 16:19 | |
| gothicmindfood | ok | 16:19 |
| jeblair | ol | 16:19 |
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| gothicmindfood | do we have anything else we need to cover re: current state of MVP? | 16:19 |
| gothicmindfood | jeblair: hi! | 16:19 |
| jeblair | sorry i'm late, anything i can help out with? | 16:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, o/ | 16:19 |
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| ilyashakhat | da5xTYr | 16:20 |
| * jeblair reviews auth stories | 16:20 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've started a few patches to introduce some functional tests | 16:21 |
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| ilyashakhat | oops :) my test env pwd | 16:21 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: can you link to the review for the change that's failing database tests? | 16:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ilyashakhat, just c-p your private key here ;) | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the were stuck with a virtualenv release or smt. like that | 16:22 |
| ilyashakhat | no way! | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: http://logs.openstack.org/97/70897/2/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-unittests/7e35c1d/console.html | 16:22 |
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| krotscheck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70897/ | 16:23 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ruhe now tries to make them work with new depencies' versions | 16:23 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: we changed some slave configuration recently. i don't know if that's the cause but i'll look into it | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: That would make sense. | 16:24 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: when are you back from vacation? | 16:24 |
| gothicmindfood | #action jeblair to look into db test failure | 16:25 |
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| jeblair | gothicmindfood: i believe that was correct | 16:26 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair, The 24th | 16:26 |
| gothicmindfood | jeblair: oh yay. I thought it'd echo back to us all. | 16:26 |
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| jeblair | gothicmindfood: link and action are quiet | 16:26 |
| * krotscheck will have reception, but no laptop. | 16:26 | |
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| jeblair | #link http://logs.openstack.org/97/70897/2/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-unittests/7e35c1d/console.html | 16:26 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: hi there! | 16:26 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70897/ | 16:26 |
| gothicmindfood | Any other comments on MVP current state before we go to open discussion? | 16:27 |
| gothicmindfood | oooh, also... #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAuth | 16:28 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAuth | 16:28 |
| gothicmindfood | jeblair: you owe me a coke. | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | Oh, one. | 16:29 |
| jeblair | (commands have to start lines, and i have a crate of mexi-cokes here; one has your name on it) | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | I threw some post-MVP api design thougths here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAPIPaging | 16:29 |
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| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAPIPaging | 16:31 |
| ttx | krotscheck: would be good to look at how other openstack project do pagination / limit / offset querying | 16:31 |
| ttx | unless your preference for option 2 is string | 16:31 |
| ttx | or strong | 16:31 |
| NikitaKonovalov | whatever we choose, pecan will handle both, but headers look better to me | 16:32 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: any particular projects that might stand out over others as being better at the pagination thing? | 16:33 |
| gothicmindfood | (in case of a lack of standards) | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm agreed with headers, it'll not clutter up API body | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Yeah, I took a look at what Ironic was doing. There's some philosophically strong adherence to REST semantics there that I feel is overly pedantic, but they just return a plain array | 16:33 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: I wouldn't dare saying one is better | 16:33 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: smart man. :) | 16:33 |
| ttx | but I remember a lot of endless discussions about it in Glance | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and aifik, horizon does pagination via setting some kind of a separator id | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ironic/tree/ironic/api/controllers/v1/node.py#n480 | 16:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and the maximum page size is kept in some settings field | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | For example, they use "marker" instead of "offset" | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | Feels like "what everyone else is doing" doesn't agree with each other | 16:34 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i've seen that with a few api servers, it may be the most common method with openstack | 16:35 |
| jeblair | (the 'marker' idea) | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Yeah, naming is just semantics. I find it more interesting that there doesn't seem to be a way for the API to respond with "oh by the way I have this much" | 16:37 |
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| david-lyle | Horizon uses marker because that's what the underlying APIs support | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | it provides that most limited form of pagination imaginable | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | if you own the API aim higher | 16:38 |
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| gothicmindfood | thanks, david-lyle - anyone else have thoughts on that? | 16:40 |
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| jeblair | cool. i don't think we have to limit ourselves to what openstack is doing elsewhere, just that we should consider it, use it if it makes no difference; if it does make a difference, do whatever we think best but be informed about it. | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | Pagination really only requires three things. A marker, an record limit, and some understanding of how large the paged data set is. | 16:41 |
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| david-lyle | The argument for the marker scheme from the services has been performance related | 16:41 |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Marker is also a very useful metaphor because it doesn't care about RDB vs NoSQL | 16:42 |
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| david-lyle | yes, and the page-limit is supported, it's the set size that doesn't come back | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: So your API returns just a plain array of results? | 16:43 |
| david-lyle | so you can keep clicking next, but have no idea that there are 10,000 more clicks to get to the end | 16:43 |
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| david-lyle | just the number of results we request, or the API defined limit | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 16:43 |
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| david-lyle | we grab the last ID as the marker and go from there | 16:44 |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Makes sense. | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | but there is no call to get total number of records available, nor is it returned | 16:45 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: at some point we need to have some brainstorming around priorities. Talking to jeblair about it last weekend helped me structure my thoughts | 16:45 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: agreed. shall we space some time out for that in the next meeting, or try to schedule something separately? | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: I was thinking of having a custom header added to the HTTP response to include the response size (once we have a large enough data set where that matters) | 16:47 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: we could try a phone call as a first step. I rant better using phones | 16:47 |
| gothicmindfood | also, I think if we're close to finishing API and pagination, we can move topics. | 16:47 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic open discussion | 16:47 |
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| krotscheck | seems like a better idea than modifying the returned data structure. | 16:47 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: I expect you'll have to colect a variety of opinions around that topic and see if there is a convergent solution | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | Ok, I'm out. | 16:47 |
| jeblair | i'm wondering about site customization. i imagine deployers would like to use custom logos, headers, footers, and css. how should that be handled? i'm particularly unsure about how that sort of thing should work with a fully-client-side js app. | 16:47 |
| jeblair | it is build time or run time customization? does the app fetch some config json from the server with that info? or...? | 16:47 |
| gothicmindfood | krotscheck: HAVE SO MUCH FUN. | 16:47 |
| jeblair | oh, and that was a question for krotscheck. oh well. | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Replace Bootstrap.js. Done. | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | sorry | 16:48 |
| krotscheck | bootstrap.css | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck: just? | 16:48 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: cool, that's enough to help me understand the mechanism. thanks and have fun. | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: I have some ideas on a customization path for the UI. | 16:49 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Maybe we can put that on the agenda post-mvp? | 16:49 |
| ruhe | jeblair: mordred: could you please help me to find why docs aren't uploaded to http://ci.openstack.org/storyboard ? | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | Toodles. Thanks, gothicmindfood ! | 16:50 |
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| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to meet with ttx to start talking about post-MVP priorities | 16:51 |
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| jeblair | ruhe: definitely | 16:51 |
| gothicmindfood | anything else for open discussion time? | 16:52 |
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| ruhe | jeblair: i think we have everything needed in zuul (and mordred confirmed that during the sprint). but somehow post jenkins jobs were never executed | 16:52 |
| jeblair | ruhe: ok | 16:53 |
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| ruhe | and just a status update from side: i help Nikita to build testing infrastructure for Pecan+SQLA+Alembic; once that is done we will be in 0.5 step away from MVP | 16:55 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: nope | 16:55 |
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| gothicmindfood | awesome, ruhe | 16:55 |
| gothicmindfood | ok | 16:55 |
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| gothicmindfood | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 16:56:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-02-06-16.04.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-02-06-16.04.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-02-06-16.04.log.html | 16:56 |
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| gothicmindfood | thanks everyone | 16:56 |
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| gothicmindfood | see you next week! | 16:56 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 18:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Role Call | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | o/ | 18:00 |
| mkoderer | o/ | 18:00 |
| shohel | o/ | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I'm sure that others will join in shortly | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | I've been chatting with some people who are interested in discussing security testing this week | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | I have a brief update from the book editors | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | Anything else to discuss? | 18:02 |
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| ash|2 | Hello everyone. Execuse me please... | 18:02 |
| mkoderer | fuzzy testing framework | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | great, yes we'll discus the fuzzing testing ideas | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | ok, let's get started | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Security Testing and Fuzzing Testing | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | mkoderer would you like to introduce what it is that you are working on? | 18:04 |
| mkoderer | yep | 18:04 |
| mkoderer | I am currently working on a framework to generate negative tests in Tempest | 18:05 |
| mkoderer | this framework generates these test out of json schemas | 18:05 |
| ash|2 | I'm not a developer of Openstack, but I find it very usefull to write here. I'm a student and looking forward for participating in GSoC2014 with OpenStack. I have already found a mentor (Debojyoti Dutta) and we are looking forward for find anyone who could organize this (the administrator). Excuse me - I found it usefull to write here. | 18:05 |
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| mkoderer | the idea is that I want to discuss is that it would be quite easy to use this for fuzzy testing | 18:06 |
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| mkoderer | in Tempest we have already stress tests that can run any Tempest test with a certain number of workers | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | can you expand what you're doing with the negative tests more specifically? | 18:07 |
| mkoderer | bdpayne: sure | 18:07 |
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| mkoderer | I think when it comes to security testing we need to change somehow the design | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Sorry, here late. | 18:08 |
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| mkoderer | my question.. is already somebody working on this topic? | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | mkoderer: what sort of tests? are there example json schema's out there for review? | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | so there were some people talking about this last fall | 18:09 |
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| mkoderer | hyakuhei: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64733/ | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | I asked thomas from suse to join us today... not sure if he is here yet | 18:09 |
| mkoderer | there are 3 json files in it as example | 18:09 |
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| mkoderer | bdpayne: ok I saw his blog post about fuzzy testing | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | mkoderer so you may be the one working on this at this point :-) | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | but we can help | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | you said that things need to change for security testing | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | what specific work do you believe needs to happen here? | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | and what kind of security testing did you have in mind? | 18:11 |
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| mkoderer | bdpayne: I mean the focus is slightly different as for negative testing | 18:12 |
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| mkoderer | currently all negative test simply execute and prove if the result value is corect | 18:12 |
| mkoderer | I don't think that we need this.. we could simply fire a lot of records and after that have a look if everything is running | 18:13 |
| malini1 | mkoderer: do you mean like DOS | 18:14 |
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| mkoderer | malini1: yep possibly | 18:14 |
| mkoderer | ok let me finish my negative testing blueprint and I will propose a patch and we could discuss it here | 18:15 |
| tristanC | mkoderer: I am curious, are input generated purely randomly or is there some kind of intrumentation ? and also do you think it can also be used to find issues other than service dos ? | 18:15 |
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| malini1 | mkoderer: I like that .. it would also be a stress/performance test then, if we say n records, 2n 4n records etc to see when things break down | 18:15 |
| mkoderer | tristanC: currently the negative testing is not really random.. if a integer value is needed it sends a predefined string | 18:16 |
| mkoderer | tristanC: but it my plan that I add a lot of generator with different random generators | 18:16 |
| mkoderer | malini1: a stress job is already running every night in tempest | 18:17 |
| mkoderer | malini1: but only with usual test cases | 18:17 |
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| tristanC | mkoderer: oh ok. well it's a good idea (fuzzing OS) imo | 18:17 |
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| mkoderer | ok cool | 18:17 |
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| malini1 | mkoderer: IMHO -- if you detect a negative test that brings down the system, after analysis -- it should be added into regular test suite .. reason: random tests sometimes do not reoccur as easily | 18:19 |
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| mkoderer | malini1: yes I think the tricky part will be the analysis | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | sounds like the next step here is for mkoderer to finish putting together a blueprint | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | then we can discuss that as a more concerete set of ideas? | 18:21 |
| mkoderer | bdpayne: yes sure | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | great, thanks | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | please use the mailing list to let us know when that is available | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | and feel free to come back here to discuss more at future meetings, too | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | any other thoughts on the testing stuff for today? | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | #topic General Updates | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | So I have a few quite updates to pass along | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | I spoke with the book editor team briefly | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | sounds like they are all planning to move forward, but simply have not yet | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | so we'll stay tuned there | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | we also do have some open tickets related to the book | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | do the edits go through gerrit review? | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | tickets to fix some wordings | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, they go through gerrit | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | and get reviewed by the doc team | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | just wonder if they'll need help reviewing | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | so if anyone is interested in working on some book edits, let me know | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | when we get to that point, they will | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I can send out some emails at that time | 18:24 |
| malini1 | bdpayne: where are the tickets, i would like to work on it | 18:24 |
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| bknudson | bdpayne: thanks | 18:24 |
| malini1 | i have been meaning to put in the glossary references and this will be a good entry point | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I'm also tracking several private security related bugs atm, which all appear to be tracking towards creating OSSNs | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | malini1 I will find the tickets, one sec | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | so just a heads up that the OSSN authors should have their pens ready ;-) | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | Tickets: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1118194 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1243534 | 18:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1118194 in openstack-manuals "Security Documentation for Horizon" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 18:26 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | The Horizon stuff might be best addressed by someone here at Nebula that wrote the initial section there | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | but the other one is good to dive into if you want | 18:26 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: nice :) | 18:26 |
| malini1 | sounds good, i shall take the other one | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | annegentle I may be slow, but I do get there eventually :-) | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | ok, and one final note for this week... | 18:27 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: who's your book editor? | 18:27 |
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| * annegentle can be slow too | 18:27 | |
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| bdpayne | Several OSSG members will be at RSA in San Francisco at the end of the month | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | if anyone else is planning to come and would like to meet up, just drop me a line | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | annegentle The book editors are Sriram Subramanian, David Mortman, and Ben de Bont | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, that's all that I have for today | 18:28 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: oh are they doing review passes? | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | yeah they are trying to improve the clarity and make it a common voice, etc | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | also identify areas that need more technical work | 18:29 |
| annegentle | bdpayne: nice, that is super helpful | 18:29 |
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| bdpayne | thanks everyone... have a great week! | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 18:30:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-06-18.00.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-06-18.00.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-06-18.00.log.html | 18:30 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting openstack-state-management | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 20:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_state_management' | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:01 |
| harlowja | anyone around today (if not, short meeting, ha) | 20:01 |
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| iv_m | hi there | 20:02 |
| harlowja | iv_m howdy | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | ok, guess might be short meeting | 20:04 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #topic last-action-items | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2014/state_management.2014-01-30-20.00.html | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | so oslo transition will happen this weekend, or early next week | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | it will mean reviews will have to be reposted | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | scheduled for 20:00 UTC tomorrow | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | thx dhellmann | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | hopefully thats not to much of a pain, but just something to be aware of (likely involving adding a new git remote...) | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | iv_m any progress on the writeup for reversion/retry strategies? | 20:07 |
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| iv_m | not yet, sorry | 20:07 |
| harlowja | np | 20:07 |
| harlowja | k, not many other action items | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #topic taskflow 0.1.3 | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | so the reason for this is a unicode problem in 0.1.2 | 20:08 |
| changbl | hey guys | 20:08 |
| harlowja | hi changbl | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.1.3 | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | i think we are ok to release that | 20:09 |
| iv_m | ya | 20:09 |
| iv_m | looks like we are ready | 20:09 |
| changbl | great | 20:09 |
| harlowja | k, i'll do that shortly | 20:09 |
| harlowja | after meeting /lunch | 20:09 |
| harlowja | then i think 2.0 we can merge in after move to oslo | 20:09 |
| harlowja | 0.2 | 20:09 |
| harlowja | not 2.0, lol | 20:09 |
| changbl | 2.0 :) | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | oops | 20:10 |
| harlowja | if we adopt the firefox/chrome versioning scheme we should be at 10.0 already ,lol | 20:10 |
| harlowja | i was also thinking about a 0.1.3 tag and a stable/0.1 branch? | 20:11 |
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| harlowja | just incase this happens again :-P | 20:11 |
| harlowja | since after 0.2 code starts coming in, not gonna be easy to do small releases of 0.1 | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *if we need to | 20:11 |
| iv_m | i think we should choose lazy approach and branch it when that happens again, if ever | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ok | 20:11 |
| harlowja | i'm fine with that to | 20:12 |
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| akarpinska1 | hi | 20:12 |
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| iv_m | also, we might want to enforce some policy for bugfixes -- to know for sure what needs to be backported for stable branch when/if we make one | 20:12 |
| harlowja | k, after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71362/ goes into the incubator, we can use that instead of our mini-version | 20:12 |
| harlowja | iv_m sure, what where u thinking? | 20:13 |
| harlowja | hi akarpinska1 | 20:13 |
| iv_m | i was thinking of smth like '-1 all real bugfixes unless there is launchpad bug and it is reffered from commit message' | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i was hoping stable would just be for tiny stuff (like some unicode stuff we missed somehow) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | iv_m thats fair | 20:14 |
| harlowja | sounds good to me | 20:14 |
| harlowja | k, so next release | 20:15 |
| harlowja | #topic 0.2 release | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | so this one i think we all know whats going into it, nothing unexpected afaik | 20:15 |
| harlowja | just lets merge things after move to oslo | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i'm also thinking we should put a release notes on ML | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *some type of release notes | 20:16 |
| iv_m | sure | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | iv_m maybe for each release we should follow the pattern @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.1.3 | 20:17 |
| harlowja | that one seems nice | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | make a https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.2.0 for example | 20:17 |
| harlowja | with whats new, what changed ... | 20:18 |
| changbl | when to have 0.2? | 20:18 |
| iv_m | sounds good | 20:18 |
| harlowja | changbl ah that question :) | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja start https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.2.0 | 20:18 |
| harlowja | changbl i think the goal is next week or the week after | 20:19 |
| changbl | ok, that is quick | 20:19 |
| changbl | very soon | 20:19 |
| harlowja | well we can change that :-P | 20:19 |
| harlowja | 0.1.3 wasn't supposed to exist, lol (more of a patch release) | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | changbl do u think we should wait more? | 20:20 |
| harlowja | i can see a nice to have being more examples for 0.2.0 | 20:20 |
| harlowja | that would help show to people the new features | 20:20 |
| * harlowja always likes more examples :-P | 20:20 | |
| changbl | harlowja, depends on what to achieve in 0.2:) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | well i think its composed of the following | 20:22 |
| harlowja | * jobboard reference impl (ready for people to start trying it out) | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | * remote workers | 20:22 |
| harlowja | * retry controlling that akarpinska1 is working on | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | + any other bug fixes | 20:23 |
| harlowja | your zookeeper backend will be in 0.1.3 (since it merged) | 20:23 |
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| changbl | i think probably more time is needed to nail down all above TODOs. | 20:24 |
| harlowja | agreed, i think changbl its mostly review time though and documentation and examples | 20:25 |
| harlowja | hopefully those don't take to long | 20:25 |
| changbl | review take time... | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ya, np, no rush there :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | if it takes more time to review, thats fine | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | we can revisit release date to, just seems like ~2weeks should be able to review, document, make examples (and all that) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | if not, we can change to >2weeks | 20:27 |
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| harlowja | sound fine? | 20:28 |
| changbl | harlowja, yes | 20:28 |
| harlowja | k | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #topic cinder-integration-process | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | so this one is connected to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026184.html | 20:28 |
| harlowja | i just wanted to see how we can improve there (along with others and the cinder work) | 20:28 |
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| changbl | John G mentioned persistence is wanted right? | 20:29 |
| harlowja | changbl ya | 20:29 |
| changbl | we'd get persistence ready for cinder | 20:29 |
| changbl | seems they really like persistence from taskflow | 20:29 |
| harlowja | changbl i am thinking so, i need to see if i can get the nttdata folks to jump in | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 do u see any major issues doing this, it will likely change a little bit how they run there workflows (its split across 3 components still) | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | i imagine the simplest approach is to add persistence in the 3 places (is it the same logbook, not sure) | 20:30 |
| changbl | which 3 places? | 20:30 |
| akarpinska1 | I started to move common parts to separate tasks | 20:30 |
| harlowja | changbl also i think part of the improvement that was desired, is to make sure that all the refactoring that was happening was well understood | 20:30 |
| changbl | harlowja, yes | 20:31 |
| harlowja | changbl api node, scheduler node, volume node | 20:31 |
| akarpinska1 | when I finish with retries I'll finish it | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 lets also see if we can get the ntt folks to jump in, they seem willing and able | 20:31 |
| akarpinska1 | now we can give some recommendations about the coding style for flows, but the most important part is a persistence, I think | 20:32 |
| harlowja | some of these ideas i wrote up and have updated @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-taskflow-persistence | 20:32 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 agreed, even the basic persistence model they would benefit from | 20:32 |
| harlowja | and that i think would then unblock these other reviews (once they see what it means) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | i'll try to catch the nttdata folks, see if they want to take ownership of this (or i can work with them to make it happen), just want to make sure they are visible and communicating the changes they are doing | 20:33 |
| harlowja | and the overall plan (which i think was confusing some of the cinder folks, thus the above ML email) | 20:34 |
| changbl | harlowja, rohit and another folk from nttdata? | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | changbl i think abhishek (and a couple other folks) | 20:34 |
| changbl | harlowja, ok | 20:35 |
| harlowja | rohit (who used to be doing some orchestration work) i think went to another company (unless its a different rohit u are thinking) | 20:35 |
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| changbl | oh, we mean the same rohit:) | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | k | 20:35 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja engage cinder folks, nttdata folks to get some movement on persistence writeups,ideas... | 20:36 |
| harlowja | the other thing that cinder wants to gain from taskflow is there state consistency issues | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *is to resolve there state-consistency issues | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i think there will be a feb cinder mid-cycle meetup where everyone will try to figure out what to do here, i'll try to be there if its in the bay area | 20:37 |
| harlowja | not so easy to nail down what it means, is it resource consistency problems, race conditions on manipulating resources, other.... | 20:38 |
| harlowja | jgriffith has the location for this been finalized yet (so that i can try to go :)) | 20:38 |
| harlowja | *this == cinder mid-cycle meetup | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | anyways i'll followup on that, anyone that wants to attend to help please join ;) | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 ^^ ;) | 20:39 |
| akarpinska1 | k | 20:40 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja determine when is the cinder meetup so that taskflow people can jump on phone, in person... | 20:40 |
| harlowja | #topic new use-cases | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | any new things that people are thinking about that we should have (that we don't) | 20:41 |
| harlowja | if not i guess we can just jump into open-discuss | 20:41 |
| harlowja | 5 | 20:42 |
| harlowja | 4 | 20:42 |
| changbl | sold:) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | 3 | 20:42 |
| ccrouch | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026403.html | 20:42 |
| harlowja | we have winner | 20:42 |
| changbl | just kidding:) | 20:42 |
| changbl | go on | 20:42 |
| ccrouch | anything relevant in sdakes message there? | 20:42 |
| harlowja | ccrouch interesting | 20:42 |
| ccrouch | i.e. integration with Heat | 20:43 |
| * harlowja reading | 20:43 | |
| ccrouch | its a *big* thread, but thats the part that seemed most relevant to taskflow | 20:44 |
| harlowja | hmmm, so partially that seems to be suggesting a workflow service right, which to me brings into the picture what mistral is | 20:45 |
| harlowja | although there has been much discussion about heat using taskflow | 20:45 |
| harlowja | *which changes alot of how heat runs (for better or worse) | 20:45 |
| harlowja | although the mistral dsl seems to be turning into a 'full-fledged programming language' | 20:46 |
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| ccrouch | (2:45:23 PM) harlowja: although there has been much discussion about heat using taskflow | 20:46 |
| ccrouch | i will go and try and find that | 20:46 |
| harlowja | ccrouch i've been working with the mistral folks on using taskflow, there initial prototype still isn't using taskflow but i think they want to | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ccrouch http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/ced7d22ac4c037f102b3cf3ade553104#.UvP00fY71ro | 20:47 |
| harlowja | i think there was a etherpad somewhere | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ccrouch https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-heat-workflow | 20:47 |
| harlowja | the problem with changing heat was the coroutine style in heat makes it really hard to alter/change it to something else (something say that uses remote workers) | 20:48 |
| harlowja | i'm all for bringing the question up again | 20:48 |
| harlowja | from the HK summit i think the conclusion was that heat needed to do some refactoring before changing how it ran was even possible | 20:49 |
| harlowja | *which was also desired to fix there scaling bottleneck | 20:50 |
| harlowja | and they wanted taskflow to have a remote-worker model (now @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63155/) | 20:50 |
| ccrouch | harlowja: ok, i can trying poking sdake about where this is at, if you would be receptive on your side to pushing the "workflow" ball down the field with heat | 20:50 |
| * harlowja unsure what that exactly means :) | 20:50 | |
| harlowja | the pushing the workflow ball down the field to heat :) | 20:51 |
| ccrouch | that folks won;t say "too busy doing cinder integration, sorry cant talk" :-) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | oh, sure, i'm always up for talking :) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | *unless i'm in mad crazy programming mode, lol | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | ccrouch sounds good, lets start this conversation up with sdake (and any others) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | and see what happens | 20:52 |
| ccrouch | ok i'll see where sdake is at | 20:52 |
| ccrouch | +1 | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | cool, thx much | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | alright final topic | 20:53 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:53 |
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| harlowja | sooo the only thing that i have is to get more input on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-atlanta-speaker-ideas :) | 20:54 |
| harlowja | so that we can start filing little speaker abstracts | 20:54 |
| harlowja | 'Hurry, the deadline to submit is February 14, 2014. ' | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | so start adding in anything that might be cool to show | 20:54 |
| harlowja | or talk about | 20:54 |
| harlowja | or... | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | anyways, that all i got | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | anybody else, if not we can end :-P | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 5 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 4 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 3.1 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 2 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 0.5 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 0.0 | 20:57 |
| harlowja | boom | 20:57 |
| harlowja | thanks for coming again folks | 20:57 |
| harlowja | more excitement always found in #openstack-state-management | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 20:58:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-06-20.01.html | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-06-20.01.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-06-20.01.log.html | 20:58 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 6 22:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi who do we have today? | 22:00 |
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| dkranz | Here | 22:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:00 |
| rahmu | hello | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | hello | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
| ken1ohmichi | hi | 22:01 |
| boris-42_ | hi all | 22:01 |
| boris-42_ | =) | 22:01 |
| afazekas | hi | 22:01 |
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| boris-42_ | how are you guys?) | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | let's dive into it | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:01 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have a blueprint that needs attention? | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | or a status update on an open blueprint? | 22:02 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: no :) | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | heh yeah I guess let's move on to the next topic | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron testing (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:03 | |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: any updates on the status of things with neutron? | 22:03 |
| * boris-42_ enikanorov__ ping | 22:04 | |
| mlavalle | api tests development has continued | 22:04 |
| enikanorov__ | boris-42_: queque | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | lot's of good contributions. We have almost a 100% coverage of the gap identified in the etherpad | 22:04 |
| enikanorov__ | boris-42_: greate that you've just woke me up | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | oh wow are they all up for review? | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | they are all in some part of the revuew cycle | 22:05 |
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| enikanorov__ | i wanted to ask tempest cores to look at the patch we want for quite a long time: | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | I am doing about 4 reviews a day | 22:05 |
| enikanorov__ | oh | 22:05 |
| enikanorov__ | i see it got approved | 22:05 |
| enikanorov__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58697/ | 22:05 |
| enikanorov__ | thanks! | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok and is the neutron gate stablized so we can start pushing things through? | 22:06 |
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| masayukig | yeah | 22:06 |
| dkranz | enikanorov__: I was a little concerned about the runtime | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It adds 45 seconds to neutron run. What should we do about this? | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando reported good progress this past Monday | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: the neutron run isn't that much of a concern on the time budget | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We said we would focus on scenarios but by nature they can take some time | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | because they only run smoke | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | I understand they are still stabilizing this week | 22:06 |
| enikanorov__ | dkranz: it spanws a vm. i guess we could setup a backend on the host itself | 22:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, but they are only running a few minutes faster... | 22:07 |
| enikanorov__ | and just add route to the host from the tenant network | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it'll be an issue long term but for right now it's ok | 22:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sdague wanted us to watch out for this | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | I will ping him again today or tomorrow and pass the status in the qa channel | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok cool | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | I know we merged the neutron api tenant isolation patch | 22:07 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, I will stop worrying and love the bomb | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | which previously broke things | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | we've made good progress getting people contributing and I don't want to loose their enthusiasm | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah sdague just said we need to be careful with what we merge to try and control the overall runtime | 22:08 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: if it becomes an issue we can just start tagging things as slow | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | and add a new nonheat slow job | 22:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: True | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have anything else to bring up about neutron testing? | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | #topic When can we enable failing jobs with bogus log ERRORs (dkranz) | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: you're up | 22:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I put in a lot of work to get this feature in. | 22:11 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It got turned off due to unstable gate | 22:11 |
| dkranz | Now bugs are creeping back in | 22:11 |
| dkranz | That are ignored because they just show up in a log that no one looks at. | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah it was causing a lot of nondeterministic failures at a time when things were already really unstable | 22:12 |
| dkranz | sdague made a comment that we could turn this back on after icehouse-2 | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: which is now | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we can't do that now because of the oslo.messaging errors | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but now we have all these errors again | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | every run will fail | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right, so how do we get that fixed? | 22:12 |
| rahmu | dkranz: mtreinish: can you please briefly explain what this feature is about? | 22:12 |
| dkranz | rahmu: ok | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: sure, dkranz wrote a script that goes through all the service logs and prints out the error messages after a gate run | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | it used to fail the job if there was an error in any of the logs | 22:13 |
| dkranz | rahmu: There are a lot of bugs that let tests seem to pass even thought something is screwed up | 22:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: is fixing the oslo thing a priority for any one? | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | I know sdague brought it up on the ML, but I haven't been paying too much attention to it | 22:14 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: dkranz: I understand. Thanks :) | 22:14 |
| dkranz | The "lot of work" was not to write the script but to make sure all errors existing converged in a whitelist | 22:15 |
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| dkranz | A task we are stuck with again | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I understand, another idea that sdague and I were throwing around was to split the log checking into a separate bot | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: You mean make it not part of the gate? | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | so instead of failing a run, it would look at the logs after jenkins reported the results and would leave another voting score (only +1 or -1) | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | that way we wouldn't be hit by nondeterministic issues in the gate | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | but we'd still get a -1 if there were errors in the logs | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Will that cause any one to fix them? | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: A lot, if not most, of these errors are bugs. | 22:17 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: will that be a blocking -1? | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I don't know, we've never done something like that before | 22:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: And they are easy to track down because you can see where they came from | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: no, it'd be a -1 like the third party testing | 22:18 |
| clarkb | there is no such thing as a blocking -1 | 22:19 |
| clarkb | only -2 can block | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, it was just another approach to consider about doing this | 22:19 |
| clarkb | (in the verified column) | 22:19 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Why can't we treat it like any other test failure, as we were doing? | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: isn't it any column? | 22:20 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: well approved is only 0 or 1 so 0 is blocking | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: oh yeah that's true | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it was more about splitting out the complexity from the one job I think | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: What complexity? I think we either care about this or we don't. | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: If I am the only one who really cares about it we should just drop the whole thing, no? | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it's polluting the console log right now and everyone ignores it. So we have to climb the hurdle to get it failing jobs again | 22:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Having some bot is way more complex than what it was doing. | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | this was just an idea for a middle ground | 22:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Only the oslo thing is polluting it. If we just fixed that there would not be a problem. | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: There wasn't a problem before. | 22:23 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ANd if we had left this on the oslo thing never would have gotten in! | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I don't think that oslo.messaging is the only issue right now. It's the biggest one definitely | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | and things slipped in because the script was broken for a while | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | (on the d-g side) | 22:24 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Anyway, I am ok with moving on now | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:24 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: If we are going to get anywhere, sdague will have to send an email about it. | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | #topic Criteria for accepting tests that cannot run normally in the gate (dkranz) | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: this one is yours too | 22:25 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There could be a lot of valuable tests that we share but we can't due to our policy of only accepting code that runs upstream | 22:25 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I just thought we should clarify exactly what that means | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So folks can decide whether to try to submit tests upstream or do them downstream, which would be a shame. | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: it's not code that runs upstream, we need results for every review with the test running | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | it can be from an outside test system | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | like the 3rd party testing requirements in the other projects | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | the issue is that if we don't exercise tests for everything they tend to bitrot very quickly | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So vote on every commit | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That is a very high bar | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | it's the same reason we stopped accepting commits with skips | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: otherwise we don't know if things work or not | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | and that's not a good position to be | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That may be ok for folks trying to get drivers into the code base | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | right now we've got legacy tests in the tree like live migration that I've never run | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | I have no idea if they work | 22:28 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I could not justify such a third-party system just to be able to submit my tests upstream | 22:28 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: How about a compromise | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it came up earlier this week with the multi-backend cinder | 22:28 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: The tests can run be reported on by third party nightly | 22:28 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But if they stay broken for more than X time, they are removed | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: we tried that before with the nightly periodic all job | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | no one ever looked at it | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Not the remove part :) | 22:29 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: That is the teeth | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah after a few months I just ripped out all the tests that got run in all that didn't run in the gate | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | I think it was mostly whitebox | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: RIght | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: And any one who cared enough to put the tests upstream would probably care enough to keep them working | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's a good idea but we'll have to be explicit about the policy | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Just an idea | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | and it'll require someone to watch it | 22:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, I'll send out some kind of proposal to the ml if it seems worthwhile | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that hasn't been my experience. Things normally just get thrown over the fence | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah bring this out to the ml | 22:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The test would be external so it is likely some one would be watching | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | and maybe we'll follow up at summit | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: And one motivation for this is that our plan is to increase function of upstream | 22:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So in the future multnode tests maybe could run and if we do this they will be there | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: That's all for now | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: the issue with this though is the integrated gating, it's not just tempest that could break things | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok we can move on | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | Does anyone have any bugs that they think needs some attention? | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | or any high priority or critical bugs that need extra eyes on them? | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess there aren't any bugs today :) | 22:35 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71575/ | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: good timing | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71575/ | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have any reviews that they'd like to get some eyes on? | 22:36 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65930/ | 22:36 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70131/ | 22:37 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71579/ | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65930/ | 22:37 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish it is not tempest but it is related .. | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71579/ | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: that's fine | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | I'll take a look at it probably tomorrow | 22:37 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish could I share 2 blueprints around integration of rally & tempest? | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | like share them between projects in lp? or right now in the meeting? | 22:38 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish in meeting, could we have some topic about integration.. I would like to be a closer to openstack QA team.. | 22:39 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish sorry didn't add it to agenda =( | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: sure | 22:39 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish thank you | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | first does anyone else have reviews to bring up? | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess not | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | #topic Rally tempest integration | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | boris-42_: go ahead | 22:40 |
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| boris-42_ | so there are 2 parts of integration | 22:41 |
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| boris-42_ | first of all what is rally… small diagram https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/e/ee/Rally-Actions.png | 22:41 |
| boris-42_ | so it is the tool that allows you to work with different clouds, verify them, deploy on (virtual) servers and benchmark | 22:42 |
| boris-42_ | (in future as well profile & analyze logs) | 22:42 |
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| boris-42_ | it is done to simplify work for human | 22:42 |
| boris-42_ | =) | 22:42 |
| boris-42_ | We are trying to reuse as much as possible from OpenStack and related project | 22:42 |
| boris-42_ | e.g. one of deploy engine is based on DevStack | 22:43 |
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| boris-42_ | so there are 2 first points that are related to tempest | 22:43 |
| boris-42_ | 1. add some kind of pretty interface to tempest | 22:43 |
| boris-42_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/tempest-verification | 22:43 |
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| boris-42_ | So when you are working around nova e.g. | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | you have cloud | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | you would like to have some command like | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | rally verify nova (that will run only tempest tests that are related to nova) | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | and after something fails | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | you are fixing it | 22:44 |
| boris-42_ | and would like first of all to run failed tests | 22:45 |
| boris-42_ | so run rally verify latest_failed | 22:45 |
| boris-42_ | as well you would like to keep results for some cloud somewhere (it will be Rally DB) | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: that sounds like a wrapper around a lot of things in tempest already | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: We try to service tag tests so you can run with a regex filter compue for example and that should run every test that touches nova | 22:46 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish yep buy I would like to simplify this step a bit | 22:46 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish if it is already implemented in tempest great | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | and testr already keeps a db (obviously a bit more simplistic than rally's) of runs with failed jobs | 22:46 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish if it could be implement ok | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | and information about them | 22:46 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish I know but it is not enough simple for end users imho.. | 22:47 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish there is a lot of tasty things that could be added | 22:47 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish one more time the goal is not to reimplement stuff (just unify & simplify interface) | 22:48 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish and somewhere store all results related to specifc cloud | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: ok, I just don't know if those 2 examples have to be rally specific | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | they seem generally applicable to tempest and testr and improvements | 22:48 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish we will try to implement all that is possible inside tempest | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | I don't know if we should wrap things to add extra functionality | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: ok | 22:49 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish the idea is next | 22:49 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish it is nice when you have one interface for all operation that is all unified | 22:49 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish I mean one commad to add/deploy cloud | 22:50 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish then another command to play with tempest | 22:50 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish then third command to benchmark | 22:50 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish and even after year you will have all results | 22:50 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish in one place | 22:50 |
| boris-42_ | So goal is to unify, make some pretty hooks for most often commands, somewhere store results and so on=) | 22:51 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish as well as automation of generation of config for tempest by passing endpoints of cloud | 22:52 |
| boris-42_ | I know when you are working with tempest for a while it is just a put here and there some info and it works | 22:53 |
| boris-42_ | but when somebody is newbie to tempest it takes a while.. | 22:53 |
| boris-42_ | So next thing is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/tempest-benchmark-scenario | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: we've actually been working on tooling to simplify that part of the problem | 22:54 |
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| boris-42_ | mtreinish oh it will be nice if you share your results/blueprints/discussion | 22:54 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish we will be glad to help you guys | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: this is most recent one I'm working on: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/config-verification | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: you definitely have a lot of info to share here, but we're running out of time | 22:55 |
| * boris-42_ mtreinish added to bookmarks | 22:55 | |
| mtreinish | and it feels like we need a larger discussion about rally and tempest | 22:55 |
| boris-42_ | so okay just a bit about benchmarking scenario | 22:55 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: speaking of which. Can you give us a quick status about it and tell us what's left to do? | 22:55 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: I'm talking about the config-verification bp | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: can you take this to the ML | 22:56 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish okay we can continue in mailing list probably?) | 22:56 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish sure I will take | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | with all the details | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: great thanks | 22:56 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish let us then prepare demo | 22:56 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish we are always able just to put some code from rally to tempst/devstack | 22:56 |
| boris-42_ | actually we will be only glad to reduce code base of rally=) | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | rahmu: sure I'm still working on adding all the extension detection. I've got a patch up for swift now | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | then I still need to finish api version discovery for keystone, and cinder | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | and add endpoint/service checking to it as well | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | and I'm sure there are other optional features or things I'm missing | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | but that's what I have on my mind right now for it | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | boris-42_: ok cool | 22:58 |
| boris-42_ | mtreinish thank you for giving timeframe=) | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | actually there is only ~1 min left | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | so let's end here today | 22:59 |
| boris-42_ | ^_^ | 22:59 |
| dkranz | bye | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | if there was something we couldn't get to we can just pick it up on -qa | 22:59 |
| rahmu | bye everyone | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 6 22:59:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-06-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-06-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-06-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
| masayukig | yeah, bye | 22:59 |
| ken1ohmichi | bye | 22:59 |
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