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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 3 16:00:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:00 |
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| dzimine | hi :) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi, how are you? | 16:01 |
| stanlagun | hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi Stan | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, welcome to our team! | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's begin | 16:03 |
| dzimine | thanks! | 16:03 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | Hi there! | 16:03 |
| JoelC | hi | 16:03 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 16:03 |
| akuznetsova | hello | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hi JoelC! Glad you're here | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | hi all! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:04 |
| JoelC | rakhmerov, thanks. | 16:04 |
| gokrokve | hi | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, Dmitri. Usually we just walk over agenda items and discuss them | 16:04 |
| dzimine | sure | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | the first one is previous action items | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Action Items | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | write a simple demo web application that should be deployed on an instance that Mistral will run | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | the description is not really clear I think | 16:06 |
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| tnurlygayanov_ | so it is in progress - it it a web application, which should "do something" on API calls | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | so the demo scenario is supposed to include a web app deployed on a VM which Mistral is going to send a request to | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | yes, right | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | and the second AI was: tnurlygayanov, prepare an image with simple demo web app preinstalled on it | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | which obviously depends on the first one :) | 16:08 |
| tnurlygayanov_ | yes | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | and hence it's in progress too | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I forgot to point to the agenda itself | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:09 |
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| dzimine | do we have a demo scenario described somewhere ? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/POC says "not finished", MB there's etherpad on it? | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | so the next topic is going to be DSL and its capabilities. Since we now have new contributors we need to discuss it again | 16:10 |
| dzimine | and folks apologize in advance for asking many 101 questions while ramping up. | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, unfortunately this page is outdated | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | it's ok, don't hesitate to ask | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | so the best way to look at DSL now is to go to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-poc | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | There is a section called "Complete DSL example" | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | so we can use it as a starting point for the discussion | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I know you had some questions and suggestions on how to modify it | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | would please share your ideas? | 16:14 |
| dzimine | there are 3 levels of questions | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I'd suggest we concentrate on main features rather than syntax for now | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | because we should agree on what Mistral should have in terms of functionality first of all | 16:15 |
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| dzimine | 1) overall structure - the open question there is do we want to mix triggers and workflows together | 16:15 |
| dzimine | 2) the key capabilities of workflow, how it reflects in DSL | 16:16 |
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| dzimine | 3) syntax (and as rakhmerov said it's less important) | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:17 |
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| dzimine | and I sense once we begin arguing on 'which is better' we'll need to agree on criteria on what means better. | 16:17 |
| dzimine | But you might have agreed on that already, is there a reference? | 16:17 |
| stanlagun | 1) This depends on what do you mean by mixing | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, what reference do you mean? | 16:18 |
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| dzimine | reference on criteria which we may use to choose, for instance, why option 2 is better than option 1 in the mistral-poc example | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:19 |
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| dzimine | 1) I mean, the same definition file contains workbook and event(s) on which it gets triggered. | 16:19 |
| dzimine | there may be many events which can trigger the same flow. Including manual | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | when we were discussing that we just agreed that option 3 is better because it is a superset of 1 and 2, and we have usecases for both "requires" and direct transitions | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I got it | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | let's discuss that | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | I feel that all the 40 minutes we have we're going to spend on DSL discussions. So that's fine. It's the most important part | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, what would be your comments here? | 16:22 |
| stanlagun | 1) Triggers and workflows are all parts of required input for Mistral. Mistral does not deal with files so you cannot split it into separate files. | 16:22 |
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| stanlagun | side note - it might be a good idea to schedule a voice meeting | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | you would prefer to keep events and workflow separately? And if yes, can you please explain why | 16:23 |
| dzimine | IMO we can take 1) mixing events and workflows in the same definition into email discussion | 16:23 |
| dzimine | but shortly, the reason is reuse: | 16:23 |
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| dzimine | to enable creating worklfows that can be triggered by multiple events, some unknown in design time. | 16:24 |
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| dzimine | a workflow can be triggered by cron, ceilometer, manually, or by another flow | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | currently, even if we have some events configured in a workbook we can still reuse it | 16:24 |
| dzimine | in the current design if we put up exactly the same task sequence, with two different triggers, it will be two distinct workbook entities. | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | we can always start a workflow via REST API call | 16:24 |
| dzimine | yes, and therefore keeping the event inside workflow even if it doesn't represent all the events which can trigger this flow, is redundant and confusing. | 16:26 |
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| stanlagun | dzimine: you can have several triggers for the same workflow without repeating workflow twice | 16:26 |
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| dzimine | it can convey a false impression that the flow is triggered by the only events that are described in event section. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok, what would be your suggestion here? | 16:27 |
| dzimine | than, if we want to update the triggering condition, we modify the workflow, even though the actual workflow is not modified. | 16:27 |
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| dzimine | I think of introduce an event-workflow mapping, and REST API that manifests it. | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | stanlagun, yes, I think we need it | 16:28 |
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| dzimine | let's for now just capture this point of events as part of workflow definition as a discussion point | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok, sure | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | I think it's an interesting topic, I believe there's much more to discuss on that | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #action Discuss separation of events(triggers) and workflow definition in the mailing list and other channels | 16:35 |
| dzimine | stanlagun I want to understand this better - "have several triggers for the same workflow without repeating workflow twice", may be I missed something. Let's discuss later. | 16:35 |
| stanlagun | ok | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | what about key capabilities? | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it was #2 | 16:42 |
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| dzimine | back to criteria: it's good that #3 is a superset, but it implies the criteria we use for choosing it is "we prefer the most generic solution" | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | no, not only this | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | we also see use cases for both capabilities | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | unfortunately, we don't have much time to describe all of them right now | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | but we can take it offline | 16:46 |
| dzimine | what is the use case for option #2 which is not covered by #1? | 16:46 |
| dzimine | ok, we can take it off line | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | so, do you have any suggestions on DSL capabilities? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | maybe you could describe some key things that you would like to see in DSL | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | so that at least we could capture them | 16:46 |
| dzimine | any dsl which produces direct graph of tasks and links inputs to outputs of previous tasks is a good input to workflow language. | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | so how would it affect the current DSL design? | 16:52 |
| dzimine | the 3 options out there show different semantic approaches to doing it. | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | you mean we should rather concentrate on data? | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | because you said "links inputs to outputs" | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | answering your last question: whenever we have a conditional logic in a workflow it's much easier to represent it imperatively (option 3). If we were unable to send an email we jump to the corresponding task | 16:52 |
| dzimine | Well you guys are putting me on the spot. I have the least context on the project and miss on many discussios and decisions you've made earlier. So whatever I express strong opinion it can and will come across as ignorant and arrogant, and I don't mean it tis way :-) | 16:52 |
| dzimine | With this: | 16:52 |
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| dzimine | we will need some expression for workflow primitives, depending on engine capabilities. | 16:52 |
| dzimine | E.g., conditions. | 16:52 |
| dzimine | or repeats/loops | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:52 |
| dzimine | once we agree what the engine must support at the minimum (I say, conditions and loops) | 16:52 |
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| dzimine | we can talk about how to express them in DSL. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:53 |
| dzimine | The three approaches to express condition are 1) upstream task (current) 2) downstream task (ansible doing it) 3) separate primitive task (many traditional wf engines) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | I just thought DSL would exactly reflect what engine should do :) So it's kind of opposite approach here | 16:53 |
| dzimine | oh, sorry, I mean exactly the same. DSL reflects engine's capabilities. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:53 |
| dzimine | it's just how exactly it expresses them? and the same simple capabiltiy - say condition, can be expressed differently in DSL. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | so I was thinking it's ok that we're discussing DSL instead of what engine should do | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | so probably we need to take it offline also | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #action Discuss key DSL capabilities in mailing list and other channels | 16:53 |
| dzimine | we implicitly agreed that the engine can do 1) sequential flow 2) parallel flow 3) data passing / flow 4) conditions 5) loops | 16:53 |
| dzimine | and may be joins (point to discuss) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:53 |
| dzimine | so engine capabilities are all agreed, right? something to add? | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, what if we schedule hangouts for tomorrow 8 PST (16.00 UTC) ? | 16:53 |
| dzimine | 8:30? | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | because I feel that we have a lot of things to discuss | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | 8.30 would be find to me too | 16:53 |
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| dzimine | and folks it's an unfortunate cost of bringing someone late to the discussion. if some things are already decided and closed just let us know | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, it's totally fine | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I mean, believe me we'll have tons of arguments and IMHO it's a normal thing :) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | and no, it's not decided, your opinion is very important for the team. We just need to make sure to consider all your suggestions and discuss them | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | #action Discuss DSL syntax | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'll schedule hangouts | 16:56 |
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| dzimine | "we also see use cases for both capabilities" - can you share the link if you have it or describe them if you don't have them written down yet? | 16:57 |
| dzimine | please add as an action | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | #action Describe use cases for option 1 and option 2 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-poc | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we're about to finish | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | I would like we to agree on DSL as soon as possible | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ideally this week | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | I personally think we don't have too many things on which we disagree | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | it's rather a terminology and other stuff like that | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | see you tomorrow on hangouts | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 3 16:59:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-02-03-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-02-03-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 3 19:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | o/ | 19:00 |
| dkehn | hi | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| k4n0 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| k4n0 | hi all | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | hello all :) | 19:00 |
| k4n0 | o/ | 19:00 |
| rloo | me | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | welcome | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | looks like another short agenda today | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:01 |
| devananda | hopefully everyone saw my email to the -dev ML on saturday... :) | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | re testing? | 19:02 |
| k4n0 | devananda: can you please link to it? | 19:02 |
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| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026081.html | 19:02 |
| k4n0 | devananda: thanks :) | 19:02 |
| devananda | in case not, brief summary - | 19:02 |
| devananda | tempest / devstack was enabled for our gate checks last week | 19:03 |
| devananda | and promptly broke twice | 19:03 |
| devananda | because we're depending on things which we aren't actually using right now | 19:03 |
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| devananda | i'm workign to fix that, but we also need to start focusing on getting testing of the RIGHT things in place | 19:03 |
| devananda | also, a big thanks to the mirantis folks who have been working on our tempest and devstack patches :) | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | oh and one more announcement | 19:04 |
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| devananda | tripleo team is holding their mid-cycle sprint mar 3 - 7, i believe that's been officialy announced now | 19:05 |
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| devananda | hopefully i'll see several of you there :) | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | yes I believe it is... :) | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | its in sunnyvale CA | 19:05 |
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| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/026040.html | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | I hope I'll be able to make it! | 19:06 |
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| max_lobur_cell | hi all | 19:06 |
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| devananda | that's it from me | 19:06 |
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| devananda | #topic progress to i3 | 19:07 |
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| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | any updates on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/serial-console-access | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: is that required for graduation? | 19:08 |
| devananda | that should be an indication of what we all need to be working on. please target any active work to i3 so we can track it, if it's critical for the icehouse release | 19:08 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: AIUI, yes | 19:09 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: we should have feature parity with nova "baremetal" driver | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | ack! | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | AIU Sun has been pulled away from ironic?? | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | *Sun Jing* | 19:10 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: I believe linggao is still working on that | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | ok | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | #action NobodyCam check with linggao on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/serial-console-access | 19:11 |
| devananda | we will need the db migration stuff, and i haven't seen any activity from romcheg on that | 19:12 |
| devananda | also, the neutron integration's initial patch landed | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | woo hoo | 19:12 |
| devananda | i have a patch up taht needs review for sending updates to neutron from the PXE driver | 19:12 |
| devananda | and I will post a patch soon for triggering that when one conductor takes over from another | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | also lucasagomes has this WIP up: | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68457/ | 19:13 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70468/2 | 19:13 |
| devananda | looks like i already have some comments ... heh. will look at after meeting | 19:13 |
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| lucasagomes | yup that's needed for us | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | I fixed the KeyError problem on the jsonpatch lib as well | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | https://github.com/stefankoegl/python-json-patch/pull/22 | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | but it wasn't released yet (merged today) | 19:14 |
| k4n0 | We at SeaMicro are looking for lots of review comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70719/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70720/ :) | 19:14 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: awesome. will we need a version pin change in requiremetns? | 19:14 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, yea, once it's released we can do that | 19:15 |
| yuriyz | do we need yet breaking node lock manually via api? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55549/ | 19:15 |
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| lucasagomes | yuriyz, yes | 19:15 |
| devananda | k4n0: awesome! I'm not sure why those code reviews didn't update LP -- could you add them manually to the BP's whiteboards? | 19:16 |
| k4n0 | devananda: will do | 19:16 |
| devananda | yuriyz: yea, we will need to support that, however lucasagomes had a very good suggestion late last week | 19:16 |
| devananda | yuriyz: and I didn't get around to putting up a WIP, sorry | 19:16 |
| yuriyz | ok thanks lucas | 19:16 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: do you have time to post that? it may be faster from you as it's mostly API work | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, you mean coding it? I can do that if yuriyz ok with the idea | 19:17 |
| yuriyz | romcheg work with db migration from Nova | 19:17 |
| devananda | yuriyz: sorry for the back-and-forth on taht patch. I really want to land /something/ to provide taht functionality, but OTOH, lucasagomes pointed out that the way it would be exposed in teh API is inconsistent | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: i think it was removing reversation from the patch | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, so yuriz, as the break of the locking envolves a lot more logic than just (un)setting an attribute in the nodes resource | 19:18 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: either that or some explanation on the review of what it should be doing | 19:18 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, ok, I will talk to yuriyz after meeting then and we can decide | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, is that ok? | 19:19 |
| yuriyz | ok | 19:19 |
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| devananda | k4n0: are you familiar with working with gerrit and jenkins -- openstack's review system in general? it looks like your patches failed pep8 and a lot of unit tests | 19:20 |
| k4n0 | Yes, | 19:20 |
| devananda | k4n0: actually - it looks like all the failures are from python-seamicroclient | 19:21 |
| devananda | k4n0: where is that available from? | 19:21 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Yes, i have fixed that issue, posted a patch to openstack/requiremtns | 19:21 |
| devananda | k4n0: ah, great! | 19:21 |
| k4n0 | devananda: package is available on pypi | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | :) nice | 19:21 |
| k4n0 | devananda: we will have to wait till the openstack/requirements review goes in | 19:22 |
| devananda | k4n0: ack. I'll poke people about that | 19:22 |
| k4n0 | But we can start getting review comments on these patches so that i can start fixing issues | 19:22 |
| devananda | k4n0: do you have a link for that review? | 19:22 |
| k4n0 | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70751/ | 19:23 |
| devananda | #action devananda to review patches 70719 and 70720 | 19:23 |
| devananda | k4n0: thanks | 19:23 |
| devananda | any other questions on open BPs? | 19:24 |
| k4n0 | none from me | 19:24 |
| devananda | oh, k4n0, also feel free to update teh status of your BPs to "needs code review" | 19:24 |
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| k4n0 | sure | 19:24 |
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| devananda | ok, bugs -- anyone blocked by any bugs? any particulartly troubling ones we need to discuss? | 19:25 |
| devananda | i see about a dozen in-progress targeted to i3, so i assume those are just waiting for reviews/merges | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic | 19:25 |
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| devananda | and there are a few triaged and unassigned bugs also targeted to i3 -- if anyone's looking for things to do, that's a great start | 19:25 |
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| matty_dubs | http://www.subway.com/menu/product.aspx?CC=USA&LC=ENG&MenuTypeId=1&MenuId=35&ProductId=9 | 19:26 |
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| matty_dubs | That actually doesn't explain BMT either | 19:26 |
| matty_dubs | Oh shoot, wrong window! | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | ummm foood | 19:26 |
| devananda | anyone know if imre farkas is around // working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1264596 ? | 19:26 |
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| lucasagomes | dendrobates, there's the timeout one | 19:26 |
| notmyname | and now it's logged forever | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda,* | 19:26 |
| matty_dubs | devananda: Last I knew, he was looking at testing Neutron+Ironic, not sure if he's still working on that bug | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | I do not see him on line | 19:27 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: can you follow up with him? if not, it should be unassigned so others can work on it | 19:28 |
| matty_dubs | devananda: Yes, I will ask him tomorrow AM | 19:28 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: do you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1270986 ? | 19:28 |
| devananda | thanks! | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yes! | 19:28 |
| devananda | #action matty_dubs to follow up with ifarkas re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1264596 | 19:28 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1270986 | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | that will based on the work that max_lobur_cell is doing on the power state change | 19:29 |
| devananda | right | 19:29 |
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| devananda | creating a background thread that is trackable and interruptable | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | exactly | 19:30 |
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| devananda | i'm targeting that bug to i3 as it is, IMO, critical, and we really shouldn't release icehouse without fixing it | 19:30 |
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| devananda | if we have to bump it past i3 and into the FF area, taht's not ideal, but it's OK | 19:31 |
| devananda | this is the one max_lobur_cell is directly trying to fix, i beleive: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1259910 | 19:31 |
| devananda | "race condition when changing node states" | 19:32 |
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| lucasagomes | yes and there's a review up | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69135/ | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | I'm going to give it a go tomorrow | 19:32 |
| max_lobur_cell | devananda + | 19:32 |
| devananda | awesome | 19:33 |
| devananda | i'll take a look today | 19:33 |
| devananda | anything else on bugs? | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: is this valid for us? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1236623 | 19:33 |
| max_lobur_cell | great, thanks | 19:33 |
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| yuriyz | and I restore my patch with dd monitoring/timeouts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48198/ | 19:33 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: i think my last patch fixes it | 19:34 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70468/2 | 19:34 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: oh - nvm. different issue. the fix landed a while back | 19:35 |
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| * devananda marks that bug fix-released as it was contained in the i2 release | 19:36 | |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, did you submit a review for oslo to change the processutils.py? | 19:37 |
| yuriyz | I think we needs separate code for this task, w/o changing Oslo | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | ack | 19:38 |
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| devananda | ok, we've spent a while on bugs - which is great - but let's move on | 19:38 |
| devananda | #topic testing | 19:38 |
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| devananda | i'm really eager to see us get functional testing into devstack/tempest/etc | 19:39 |
| devananda | agordeev: are you around? | 19:39 |
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| k4n0 | devananda: Any thoughts on how to add driver specific tests to tempest? | 19:40 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70348/ | 19:40 |
| devananda | taht ^ is agordeev's WIP to start getting devstack to create the network bridge and soem VMs for testing | 19:40 |
| devananda | k4n0: driver-specific tests fall into the 3rd party testing category | 19:40 |
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| devananda | k4n0: unless you have a way to mock a seamicro hardware device with a VM... :) | 19:41 |
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| k4n0 | devananda: maybe, i will look into that | 19:41 |
| devananda | k4n0: but my expectation is taht all the 3rd party drivers will need their own 3rd party test environments, similar to the ongoing discussion within nova and neutron communities | 19:41 |
| devananda | k4n0: i posted some initial discussion about this a few weeks ago | 19:42 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Yes, i read that, we are looking to use tempest to add 3rd part tests which will run in our env. | 19:42 |
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| devananda | k4n0: great | 19:43 |
| devananda | k4n0: so then, as far as the technical "how-to", i would use ENV vars | 19:43 |
| k4n0 | devananda: to set the driver right? | 19:43 |
| devananda | both to set the driver and to change the test runners | 19:43 |
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| devananda | right now, our tempest run is just API exercises | 19:44 |
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| devananda | CRUD stuff. no power/deploy | 19:44 |
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| k4n0 | yes, can we help with the other tests? | 19:44 |
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| devananda | once we have devstack creating a fake environment out of very small qemu VMs, we'll enroll those with the pxe_ssh driver | 19:44 |
| devananda | from taht point on ,the tests should be the same | 19:44 |
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| k4n0 | then only the drivers would change | 19:45 |
| devananda | at least for all the driver interfaces except for vendor_passpthru | 19:45 |
| devananda | k4n0: right :) | 19:45 |
| k4n0 | right :) | 19:45 |
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| devananda | so if you guys want to help write those tests -- awesome! | 19:45 |
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| k4n0 | devananda: we can definitely help, would get in touch tomorrow for details | 19:45 |
| devananda | you can see the work that agordeev is doing to spin up thse qemu VMs and enroll them in the devstack patch i linked above | 19:46 |
| k4n0 | ok, will do | 19:46 |
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| devananda | you'll probably want a hook there to enroll your seamicro hardware instead. but in principle, the rest should be fairly similar | 19:46 |
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| devananda | any other questions on testing? | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | I've a note on the devstack+Nova w/ Ironic driver | 19:46 |
| devananda | k | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | I put up a guideline on how to setup an environment and deploy a machine using the Nova with the ironic driver + devstack | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicDeployDevstack | 19:47 |
| devananda | awesome | 19:48 |
| * NobodyCam shuold have the DIB walkthru update finished today too | 19:48 | |
| lucasagomes | it might help the guys changing devstack to incorporate our tests | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | that's it | 19:48 |
| k4n0 | lucasagomes: thanks for that | 19:48 |
| devananda | agordeev: when you're around, please see ^ | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | oh I have a nova ironic driver update | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | np | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | it worked. lucasagomes was able to boot a node! | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:49 |
| devananda | hehe :) | 19:49 |
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| matty_dubs | Woo-hoo! | 19:49 |
| yuriyz | cool! | 19:49 |
| devananda | ok, 10 minutes left ... | 19:49 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:49 |
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| mdurnosvistov_ | Hi folks! :) What are your thoughts about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1256260 :) This chain is very long time without attention ... | 19:49 |
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| k4n0 | any thoughts on multiple vendor passthru muxing ? | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam you and devananda did the mostly work (and hard work) on that driver :) thanks! | 19:50 |
| devananda | k4n0: can you clarify? | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: you got it to work | 19:50 |
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| * NobodyCam looks at ^ bug | 19:51 | |
| k4n0 | So, we are using the SeaMicro vendor passthru, and the PXE deploy interface requires PXE vendor passthru to finish deployment | 19:51 |
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| lucasagomes | k4n0, I would suggest you from inheriting the new Vendor Interface from the PXE vendor interface, but I don't like this cross-driver dependency | 19:51 |
| devananda | mdurnosvistov_: hi! yes - it is a large code-cleanup. I'll try to start looking at some of the patches, but have been prioritizing bug fixes over cleanup in my review time | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | mdurnosvistov_: i too need to review the entire patch set | 19:52 |
| k4n0 | Yes, but shouldnt the "pass_deploy_info" method be in the PXE deploy interface instead of the PXE vendor passthru? | 19:52 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: so that's not quite what i suggest :) | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | k4n0: no, because pass_deploy_info is pxe specific | 19:53 |
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| mdurnosvistov_ | Great! Thanks!!! :) | 19:53 |
| lifeless | k4n0: other deployment methods may have very different ways of organising the deploy (e.g. imagine an Ironic driver that calls another Ironic instance) | 19:53 |
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| devananda | k4n0: in your driver class, load both interfaces (pxe.vendor_passthru && seamicro.vendor)passthru) then call into either one depending on what the incoming request is | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | mdurnosvistov_: Are all patches linked to that bug? | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right, I gotta take a look at ur suggestion | 19:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ^ | 19:54 |
| k4n0 | devananda: yes, will do that | 19:54 |
| devananda | lifeless: any objections to multiplexing in taht way? | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ahh so make the vendor interface to accept a list of different vendor_passthru | 19:54 |
| * lucasagomes likes that | 19:54 | |
| devananda | lifeless: iirc, that's what we initially discussed, but it was a while back | 19:54 |
| mdurnosvistov_ | NobodyCam: yes all | 19:55 |
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| NobodyCam | :) mdurnosvistov_ TY | 19:55 |
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| lifeless | devananda: none at all; in fact I would rather suggest that the framework should be able to do do that | 19:55 |
| mdurnosvistov_ | :) | 19:55 |
| devananda | lifeless: ack. pretty sure it can | 19:55 |
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| lifeless | my expectation of the vendor interfaces is that something outside of ironic (e.g. the deploy ramdisk for pxe) can call the API and supply information back to the relevant conductor driver | 19:56 |
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| devananda | k4n0: you are using the seamicro power interface but still using the pxe deploy interface, ya? | 19:57 |
| k4n0 | devananda: yes, PXE for deploy, SeaMicro for power and vendor pass | 19:57 |
| k4n0 | devananda: power interface works fine functionally. | 19:57 |
| devananda | k4n0: right. so you need to instantiate both pxe and seamicro vendor passthru classes in your driver, and call the appropriate one depending on teh API request | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | two minute bell | 19:58 |
| k4n0 | yes, i will inspect the requested method and make further calls | 19:58 |
| devananda | k4n0: let's chat mroe in channel. i can mock it up if that's not clear yet | 19:58 |
| k4n0 | ok, lets talk in chan | 19:58 |
| devananda | cool | 19:58 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting all | 19:59 |
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| k4n0 | thanks all | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you! | 19:59 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 3 19:59:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-02-03-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-02-03-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-02-03-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| matty_dubs | Sorry for accidentally discussing what the heck a Subway 'BMT' is in the wrong channel in the middle of the meeting! O:-) | 20:00 |
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| lucasagomes | matty_dubs, :P it's grand | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | was funny | 20:00 |
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| sadasu | hello | 20:14 |
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| irenab | hi | 20:14 |
| rkukura | hi | 20:14 |
| baoli | Hi | 20:14 |
| sadasu | Hi | 20:14 |
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| irenab | we just started to talk regarding vnic_typ | 20:15 |
| sadasu | rkukura: In the vif-details BP, the paragraph starting with "Two approaches are being considered" is not clear to me | 20:16 |
| sadasu | irenab: yes, lets discuss vnic_type | 20:16 |
| irenab | if we decide it is top level attribute, I'll continue with the patch | 20:16 |
| irenab | if it is in binding:profile, need to add support in existing MDs | 20:17 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I can explain that when we get to it. Lets cover vnic_type 1st | 20:17 |
| irenab | is the only reason to make it top level would be different access policy? | 20:17 |
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| sadasu | irenab: yes, that was my understanding | 20:18 |
| rkukura | irenab, sadasu: mine too | 20:19 |
| baoli | well, this is what I think why it's top level. Regular plugins can access to it by simply using the portbinding mixin, right? | 20:19 |
| baoli | certainly, access policy is one of the reasons. | 20:20 |
| irenab | baoli: so another reason, used by other plugins | 20:20 |
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| irenab | I think one more reason is if there is differnt policy for update | 20:21 |
| baoli | I believe so. | 20:21 |
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| irenab | vnic_type should not be changed after port is bibd | 20:21 |
| irenab | ^bind | 20:22 |
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| rkukura | The other pluigns (at least openvswitch and linuxbridge) don't really have a concept of port binding: they just hardwire binding:vif_type and binding:capabilities, and ignore binding:host_id | 20:23 |
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| baoli | binding:host_id is used by ovs_plugin, cisco plugin, etc, right? | 20:23 |
| rkukura | So those plugins won't really have any policy regarding updating it effecting binding | 20:23 |
| irenab | Mellanox Plugin has two types: direct and macvtap | 20:24 |
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| rkukura | How about having the mixin default only allow the value 'virtio' to be set? Then updating isn't an issue! | 20:25 |
| baoli | vnic_type shouldn't be changed after the port is created, I believe. Why would it need to be changed? | 20:25 |
| irenab | rkukura: are you talking regarding ML2? | 20:25 |
| rkukura | irenab: No, ML2 does not use the mixin for various reasons | 20:25 |
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| irenab | baoli: while post is not bound, I think it maybe changed | 20:26 |
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| irenab | baoli: but agree that there is no reason to do so | 20:26 |
| irenab | on the other hand, binding:profile maybe updated | 20:26 |
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| rkukura | For ML2, we definitely could allow changes when unbound. Probably would handle it similarly to binding:profile. | 20:27 |
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| baoli | rkukura, does it make sense to change it practically? | 20:27 |
| rkukura | One question: What does binding:vnic_type mean for non-VM ports, such as agents or appliances? | 20:28 |
| irenab | rkukura: good question. maybe it should be None | 20:29 |
| rkukura | Or for baremetal or LXC or docker? | 20:29 |
| rkukura | We've been kind of ignoring those so far, but maybe vnic_type would have additional values for those cases if they need to be supported differently by the MD and agent. | 20:30 |
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| irenab | rkukura: the reason for vnic_type is due to the need to impact what MD can bind the port and what vif_type is till define | 20:32 |
| rkukura | Right now we have interface drrivers for OVS and traditional Linux bridge that the agents need to be configured to use. I'd like to see an eventual GenericInterfaceDriver for these that is driven by binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details like nova's GenericVIFDriver. I think this would require binding inputs such as binding:vnic_type and/or binding:profile. | 20:32 |
| rkukura | irenab: Understood and agreed. | 20:33 |
| rkukura | I'm just thinking of other cases where those same things need to be controlled | 20:33 |
| irenab | rkukura: what interface drivers do mean here? on nova side to set libvirt XML? | 20:34 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Nova side has GenericVIFDriver and old drivers. I'm considering the neutron drivers used by dhcp-agent, l3-agent, etc. | 20:35 |
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| irenab | rkukura: I am less familiar with those. Is it the components that plug the agent into neutron port? | 20:37 |
| rkukura | Not sure we need to spend much time worrying about the neutron interface drivers, but maybe we need a value that the agents set (maybe VNIC_AGENT or something) since they don't really do VNIC_VIRTIO or the others that make sense for VMs, right? | 20:38 |
| rkukura | irenab: Yes. | 20:38 |
| irenab | rkukura: sounds reasonable | 20:39 |
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| rkukura | So is everyone agreeing that if normal users need to set vnic_type, then the BP makes sense; otherwise we can just use a key within binding:profile? | 20:40 |
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| rkukura | Having a value for the agents' ports applies equally either way I think | 20:41 |
| baoli | Let's take a dhcp port for example | 20:42 |
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| irenab | rkukura: I think you understand the best of us the impact of the changes required in ML2 | 20:42 |
| irenab | baoli: ok | 20:42 |
| baoli | Would it make sense for a dhcp port to use a VF? | 20:42 |
| irenab | how it is pluged today with ML2? | 20:42 |
| baoli | if not, its vnic_type is virtio | 20:43 |
| rkukura | It wouldn't use a VF, but its not really virtio. For OVS, its a veth with one end in br-int, and the other in a network namespace that dnsmasq uses I think | 20:44 |
| baoli | But the vif_type is ovs | 20:44 |
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| irenab | rkukura: and I think it is one per network | 20:45 |
| rkukura | So we'd want the PCI passthrough MD to not bind, and normal openvswitch-agent MD to bind | 20:45 |
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| rkukura | Right now the binding:vif_type is completely ignored for the agents' ports. | 20:45 |
| baoli | rkukura, that makes sense. | 20:45 |
| irenab | rkukura: so on the check if can bind the port, MD should check that is support VNIC_AGENT? | 20:46 |
| rkukura | A GenericInterfaceDriver for the agents would pay attention to binding:vif_type. | 20:46 |
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| irenab | rkukura: now on in future? | 20:47 |
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| rkukura | GenericInterfaceDriver is not planned for icehouse | 20:47 |
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| rkukura | But I may propose it for juno in order to reduce the amount of config needed for the agents | 20:47 |
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| irenab | rkukura: so if we do it for icehouse, how would it work for dhcp ports? | 20:48 |
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| rkukura | I don't think defaulting to VNIC_VIRTIO would hurt anything right now since the MD doesn't need to treat the agent port any differently than VM ports | 20:48 |
| irenab | rkukura: ok | 20:49 |
| baoli | that's right | 20:49 |
| sadasu | agreed | 20:49 |
| rkukura | The MD could also pay attention to the device_id or whatever the port attribute is that says what the port is for. | 20:50 |
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| rkukura | Regarding sadasu's question on the two binding:vif_details approaches... | 20:51 |
| irenab | rkukura: so port binding will be quite complicated | 20:51 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Trying to keep it as simple as possible - I think ML2's current approach still works - just need to consider what information is available to MDs so they can do the right thing | 20:53 |
| sadasu | also, it still talks about some vif_security stuff...I think some clean up might help | 20:53 |
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| irenab | rkukura: agree | 20:54 |
| sadasu | just want to make sure that vif_type is all set ? | 20:54 |
| rkukura | sadasu: See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69783/ for the approach where MDs supply attributes every time they are needed. The other approach stores them in the DB like is done now for binding:vif_type and cap_port_filter used in binding:capabilities. | 20:54 |
| sadasu | ok... | 20:55 |
| baoli | rkukura, so both binding:profile , binding:vif_details will be done in the icehouse, right? | 20:55 |
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| sadasu | irenab: are you taking care of the port-create and port-update CLI changes as part of your BP too? | 20:56 |
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| irenab | sadasu: yes, if we decide on top level attribute | 20:56 |
| rkukura | baoli: I expect to be able to get code in review for these this week if the BPs are acceptable to the PCI passthrough team and the overall community | 20:56 |
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| irenab | so any conclusion on vnic_type? | 20:57 |
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| baoli | rkukura, that's cool. Send me the patch when it's available. | 20:57 |
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| rkukura | baoli: Sure | 20:58 |
| baoli | vote on binding:vnic_type versus binding:profile:vnic_type? | 20:58 |
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| rkukura | My vote depends on whether normal users need to set it, and I don't fully comprehend the use case for this. | 20:59 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | I agree with rkukura on that point. | 20:59 |
| rkukura | baoli, irenab, sadasu: Time for the neutron meeting | 21:00 |
| pcm | hi | 21:00 |
| mestery | Hi markmcclain | 21:00 |
| dkehn | hi | 21:00 |
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| armax | hi | 21:00 |
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| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:01 |
| beagles | hi | 21:01 |
| edhall | hi | 21:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:01 |
| yamahata | hi | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno, SumitNaiksatam, arosen, emagana, garyk, amotoki: ping | 21:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: hi | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | ok I | 21:02 |
| emagana | hi all | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 3 21:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando was able to isolate the kernel bug that has been causing our tests to fail. | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | Salvatore spent a lot of time working to isolate it. Huge Thank you to him | 21:04 |
| * pcm claping | 21:04 | |
| mestery | Yay salv-orlando! | 21:04 |
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| beagles | \o/ | 21:04 |
| nati_ueno | great job | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | Yay! | 21:04 |
| marun | thank you! | 21:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: great work! | 21:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | thanks! | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando: bravo!! | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | we're still not out of the woods yet as our workaround doesn't always work | 21:05 |
| shivh | thanks salv-orlando | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | thanks I'm humbled | 21:05 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: beers for you! | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | indeed, we're still pretty much where we were last week. Even worse perhaps. | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | we'll be working with the Infra, QA, and Nova teams to get a workaround that is acceptable to everyone | 21:05 |
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| marun | I think we need lifeless's patch to merge so that the metadata service can be used while they work on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70549/ | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: my understanding is that failure rate for patches is 100% because some job will always try to do the guestfs mount | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: correct | 21:07 |
| lifeless | nova is going to disable file injection by default soon anyway - I think file injection tests should be a new, separate job | 21:07 |
| lifeless | as the default will have it off, we want to test that the default works :) | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | lifeless: I agree.. we have 2 different viable alternatives to key injection | 21:07 |
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| edhall | salv-orlando, markmcclain: Great! What would be the best place to look for more info on the issue? | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | 2? one being metadata.. and the other? config-drive? | 21:08 |
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| lifeless | salv-orlando: yes | 21:08 |
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| lifeless | 3 technically - can always upload a new VM image with stuff pre-baked in it | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | edhall: the actual kernel bug info is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386 | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | edhall: for bug 1273386, it's all in the bug report comments. I still need to provide crash dump info and a repro script independent from openstack for the ubuntu-kernel guys | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | the work around discussion should be in the channel logs from last Thursday | 21:09 |
| edhall | markmcclain, thanks, I've bookmarked it | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | edhall: bottom line is that the issue in unlikely to affect production systems, unless you deploy the compute service on the same host as the network services such as dhcp agent and l3 agent | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | Ok so we still need to wait until workaround is in place before we start approving patches again | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | I'll send out an email to left everyone know when +As will succeed again | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | but even then don't forget bug 1253896 and 1272012 are still lurking, so please let the patches for those bugs go first | 21:11 |
| edhall | salv-orlando, thanks; that might affect our dev environment so I'll pass that on | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | correct.. I'll get a few critical patches merged before I signal the all clear to start approvals | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | edhall: the exact conditions you have to met to be affected are in one of the last comments on the bug | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | #info Feature proposal deadline is Feb 18th | 21:12 |
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| edhall | got it; thanks agai! | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | Anything code for blueprints must be proposed by the end of the day on Feb 18th. This will give the team time to review before the feature freeze | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | We've have lots of items proposed for Icehouse-3. If you know something is not going to make, please PM me and we'll get it scheduled for Juno | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain | We've spent time talking about the kernel bug. Are there any bugs the team needs to discuss this week? | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:15 |
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| mlavalle | Hi | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: has to leave at the bottom of the hour so moving his report up | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | I want to report to the team that api tests development has continued at a good pace | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | we have around 10 people actively pushing code | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | so I have been doing a lot of reviews | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | Thanks to all the people contributing to this effort | 21:17 |
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| mlavalle | I am keeping a list of patchstes in review in the Neutron meeting agenda | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for keeping it updated | 21:17 |
| mlavalle | I encourage the core devs to take a look and help us with reviews | 21:17 |
| emagana | mlavalle: good job! we need to get more reviewers from tempest core team | 21:18 |
| mlavalle | the tempest core reviewers are hesitant to start merging tests until the problems in the gate with Neutron start imp[roving | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: once we get past this kernel bug, I expect we'll have more core neutron cycles to look at the tempest tests | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70351/ is not in the list, but seems to duplicate another patch | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63999/2 | 21:19 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: Thanks | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: I think that is a good stance by the tempest team… we need a good baseline before we start merging new tests | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: that was just because I felt the need to be pedant. Sorry I could not resist it. | 21:19 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for updating | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:20 |
| emagana | markmcclain: hello! | 21:20 |
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| emagana | I updated the wiki | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | thanks for keeping it current | 21:21 |
| emagana | there is a new proposal to create a Create Stand-alone OpenStack Networking Guide | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | ok so this undoing the combination effort we started a few weeks back? | 21:21 |
| emagana | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-networking-guide | 21:21 |
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| emagana | but it will collect information from cloud admin guide and install guide | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:22 |
| emagana | the idea is to have anew book for networking deatils | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | ah cool | 21:23 |
| emagana | it will also help to review and update the other two! | 21:23 |
| emagana | Nick, Matt, Phil and I come together in a hang out meeting to plan it | 21:23 |
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| emagana | a wiki with the propose index will be available | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | nice | 21:24 |
| emagana | that all I nave from my side | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | might I ask where we are with developer docs? jaypipes started this effort (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64205/) and I would like to see more community members picking it up | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | Any docs questions? | 21:24 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orlando: I'll chip in | 21:25 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: I could bring this topic into the Docs meeting | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: good question… might make sense to start tracking dev docs initative | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | I actually registered a BP on friday for this | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | onboarding new folks is something we need to make easier | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/developer-documentation | 21:26 |
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| jaypipes | salv-orlando: I would like to work on more docs. sorry for delay. should be able to work on more this week and next. | 21:26 |
| sc68cal | I have two devs that I'm in the process of onboarding - so I'll reach out to jaypipes and work with him | 21:27 |
| jaypipes | sc68cal: sounds good sean! | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal, jaypipes: great | 21:27 |
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| emagana | sc68cal and jaypipes: please add the details in the wiki | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | #topic nova-parity | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | beagles: hi | 21:27 |
| sc68cal | emagana: will do | 21:27 |
| beagles | hi! | 21:27 |
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| beagles | there was a bit of progress last week on getting the bugs for unimplemented nova-net api methods. That means some of the bugs that were opened on that will be closed (yay!) | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | aweseome | 21:29 |
| beagles | the details of some discussions regarding the remaing high level gaps were captured in a wiki... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NovaNeutronGapHighlights | 21:29 |
| beagles | it is *high level* so don't go looking expecting lots of technical details :) chances are the high level will be enough if its a topic you are interested in | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | beagles: thanks for creating it | 21:30 |
| beagles | it is perhaps encouraging that it is really short :) | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | it does touch on some rough spots we need to clean up | 21:31 |
| beagles | for those of you that may have missed the ML thread, there was a well-reasoned email thread on the deprecating nova network in Icehouse... worthwhile read. I captured the link in the minutes | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | russellb and I had a good conversation before that thread was started | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | I was focused on kernel bug last week, but will be adding in more information from Neutron side this evening | 21:33 |
| * beagles nods | 21:33 | |
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| markmcclain | Anything else to add? | 21:34 |
| beagles | the last item for now would be the pending reviews on the nova front... I suspect much energy was directed elsewhere last week so perhaps if/when things calm down with the gate these will get closure | 21:34 |
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| beagles | and that .. is that | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | For those that missed the thread | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025824.html | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | beagles: thanks for the update | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | #topic L3 | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: hi | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: hi | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m currently considering time slots for a team meeting. In the mean time, I encourage those who are interested to attend the DVR sub team meeting an Wednesdays run by Swami. I will be attending regularly. | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Recent meetings have shown good progress and collaboration with DVR and HA routers. | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | great | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Speaking of DVR, Swami asked me to “pass on the information that we will be having a ‘F2F meeting’ at the Bay in HP Palo Alto office to finalize the DVR options. I plan to attend virtually. | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | “Venue: HP Plato Alto office | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | “Date and Time: Feb 13th 11.a.m to 1p.m. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | “Lunch will be provided” | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami will update the ML with information about the virtual meeting room and dial in. If interested, please email him. | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | Anything else? | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll be attending virtually. That’s all I have. | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | "Plato Alto" being a relative of the greek philosopher? ;) | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | sorry for the stupid joke | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Oops, copy/pasted directly from his email. | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | That should be Palo Alto. | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: hi | 21:37 |
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| sc68cal | hello | 21:37 |
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| sc68cal | We've got some new patches for review - adding the new attributes to the API, and then a patch that changes the behavior of dnsmasq when those attribtes are set | 21:38 |
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| sc68cal | they're still a bit rough around the edges currently, we need to get the second patch to be based on top of the first | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. I've only briefly looked at them | 21:38 |
| sc68cal | I expect tomorrow's meeting will go in depth into them | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | yeah that would be nice so that gate properly handles them | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | Anything else? | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | the Nova hairpin patch has been fixed up to avoid the race bug | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | we're adding ... yet another flag to nova.conf however | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | but the good news is someone requested that, and it was a wishlist item | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | so two birds with one stone | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | ah nice | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | that's it for me | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | well neutron and nova conf now have more flags than the united nations headquarters in NYC. | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | ok.. would be nice to have a few members of the neutron team to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56381/ | 21:40 |
| * salv-orlando ducks and runs | 21:40 | |
| sc68cal | salv-orlando: :) | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: haha | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: thanks for the update | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | mestery & rkukura: hi | 21:41 |
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| rkukura | not sure if mestery is around | 21:42 |
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| rkukura | quite a few BPs in the works for icehouse | 21:42 |
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| rkukura | most for new drivers, but a couple with impact on the plugin itself | 21:42 |
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| sc68cal | oh my | 21:43 |
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| * mestery is having network problems | 21:43 | |
| * rkukura is too | 21:43 | |
| markmcclain | rkukura: ok please PM me to make sure I've got the right priority on the blueprints that impact all drivers | 21:43 |
| dkehn | not me | 21:43 |
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| nati_ueno | I think freenode isn't stable today.. Is this only for me? | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | looks like we had a netsplit again | 21:44 |
| mestery | I've also started working on tightening up some unit test coverage | 21:44 |
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| rkukura | Would be good to get some discussion/feedback on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025812.html | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: it's been going on since before I started this mornign | 21:44 |
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| sc68cal | nati_ueno: +1 | 21:44 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 21:44 |
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| rkukura | Would also like to know if progress is being made on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-deprecated-plugin-migration | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | the migration is really important as we cannot remove the OVS and Bridge plugins until we have it | 21:47 |
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| mestery | +1 to that markmcclain | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | anybody has received an update from the assignee? | 21:48 |
| rkukura | I've emailed Prakash and he seems to expect to get it done, but I'd like to see if he needs any help | 21:48 |
| rkukura | Anyone know his nic? | 21:49 |
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| markmcclain | rkukura: might be good encourage the code to be posted and regular WIP updates | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | that way we can start testing early versions of the migration | 21:49 |
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| rkukura | I'll followup his email, and hopefully we'll know more for next Monday | 21:49 |
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| markmcclain | Anything else for ML2? | 21:50 |
| rkukura | not from me | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | Thanks for the update | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | #topic Group Policy | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | This is a new item. The team has been regularly meeting and I wanted to give an opportunity to share back with the team | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | mestery: hi | 21:51 |
| mestery | Hi | 21:51 |
| mestery | Thanks markcmcclain | 21:51 |
| banix | Have started coding for a PoC | 21:51 |
| mestery | So we have been meeting very week since Hong Kong | 21:51 |
| mestery | Yes as Vanir says we are entering PoC stage | 21:51 |
| mestery | banix sorry | 21:52 |
| mestery | Please see our Meeting page for more details | 21:52 |
| mestery | But we hope to get this into Juno | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:52 |
| mestery | We will be scheduling design summit sessions for Atlanta | 21:52 |
| mestery | Thanks markmcclain | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: thanks for sharing | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: planning for Juno is a considerate decision, in my opinion. It will also give us a chance to synchronise this effort with api framework changes. | 21:53 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: let's me update vpn brifly | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: go ahead | 21:53 |
| mestery | Thanks salv-orlando, good point! | 21:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks. I updated wiki. We have api wiki doc. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VPNaaS/SSLVPN client patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70254/ agent code comming soon | 21:54 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: can you add a link to the meeting agenda page - for the policy group meeting discussions, that is…. | 21:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: That's all. | 21:54 |
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| pcm | Wondering if there is any interest in an IRC about vendor drivers for L3 services (discussing validation, client feedback, error reporting/handling, persistence)? | 21:55 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: yes I will do that I am mobile from iOS at the moment :) | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks for the update | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | Would any of the other sub teams like to update? | 21:55 |
| banix | Group policy: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: for FWaaS, SridarK put significant effort in testing to check if we are ready for enabling FWaaS in the gate | 21:55 |
| enikanorov__ | no major updates from lbaas | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: great | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: results of his testing have posted at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/Testing | 21:56 |
| banix | sukhdev: pls see the link posted above. | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | we'll probably want to a few days after we get the gate going again before we enable | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: is also here, so he can chip in as well | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | just so we can get a good baseline | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i totally understand | 21:56 |
| Sukhdev | banix: thanks | 21:56 |
| SridarK | Running thru tempest API tests with FwaaS enabled, comparison with baseline looks good as well. | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: just want to convey that we are prepared | 21:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: you can make a call whenever | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | SridarK: good | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for being ready | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov__: ok thanks for letting me know | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | Any other items for this week? | 21:57 |
| pcm | Wondering if any interest in L3 services discussions, regarding vendor impl.? | 21:58 |
| SridarK | pcm: +1 | 21:58 |
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| pcm | Wanted to discuss handling for persistence, validation, client feedback, err handling, etc. | 21:59 |
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| pcm | maybe in a manner that will be consistent across services and between vendor and ref impl? | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | pcm: might be good to post a time and have everyone discuss in #openstack-neutron | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | the channel is logged for those that can't make the discussion | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | Ok we're at time. Thanks to everyone for stopping in this week. I'll send an update to the mailing list once we get the gate fixes in place and tested. | 22:00 |
| pcm | OK. didn't know if should have something in meeting channel. | 22:00 |
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| banix | thanks | 22:00 |
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| pcm | Those still around, what time/date would be good to meet? | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | pcm: It's good solicit interest here | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 3 22:01:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-03-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-03-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-03-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | bye | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: have a nice trip | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks | 22:01 |
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| rkukura | bye | 22:02 |
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| hemanthravi | pcm: +1 | 22:03 |
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| pcm | hemanthravi: I'll move over to openstack-neutron. Would like to get a rough idea of who wants to discuss. | 22:04 |
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| hemanthravi | pcm: ok, thx | 22:05 |
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