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| sarob | so late feb should be bug fixing | 00:00 |
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| sarob | empty repo | 00:00 |
| MrJoshua | Yeah thanks, I'll try to get an apiary blueprint started, since I have some experance there. It can connect right into the github repo. | 00:00 |
| sarob | right | 00:00 |
| sarob | okay i have to wind down | 00:00 |
| sarob | lets continue on mailing list | 00:00 |
| keyvan | cool thanks guys, look forward to helping out | 00:00 |
| MrJoshua | Cool. I have to go too. | 00:01 |
| sarob | roger and out people | 00:01 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 00:01:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-01-13-23.00.html | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-01-13-23.00.txt | 00:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-01-13-23.00.log.html | 00:01 |
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| hartsocks | I'm around BTW | 13:51 |
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| sc68cal | Good morning/ Good evening everyone | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | and afternoon too | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 14:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
| xuhanp | hello. Good morning Sean | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #topic recap last meeting actions | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap last meeting actions (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:01 | |
| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-07-15.00.html last week's actions | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | OK - I had two actions that needed to be done, first was to schedule the meeting time for a non-conflicting time - and that's been done ;) | 14:02 |
| sc68cal | The second action was to register a blueprint for Horizon support for the IPv6 subnet modes | 14:02 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/neutron-subnet-mode-support Horizon blueprint for ipv6 subnet configuration | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | It's a bit light on details, but we can always add more info | 14:03 |
| xuhanp | Wonderful. Thanks for the quick actions! | 14:03 |
| sc68cal | let me see if I can fetch the people that are responsible for the other items | 14:04 |
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| sc68cal | OK - well we can circle back later if need be | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | We're still hammering out the subnet mode keyword review | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | We had one core reviewer suggest it become an API extension, but I punted to the mailing list to solicit more feedback on what we should do | 14:07 |
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| shshang | hola | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | shshang: hello | 14:07 |
| aveiga | recheck your email, we had another punt on it | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024179.html API extension vs core api | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | That's pretty much all I have - if we want to circle back to the keyword action from last meeting | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | aveiga: shshang: you guys along with ijw were going to figure out how to get the dnsmasq-isms out? | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | I saw an e-mail from ijw on the mailing list, but I don't know if there's anything more | 14:10 |
| aveiga | yup | 14:10 |
| shshang | yup | 14:10 |
| aveiga | shshang: any progress on the writeup? | 14:10 |
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| shshang | aveiga, still have one question needing your help | 14:11 |
| shshang | Need to grab your brain | 14:11 |
| shshang | regarding your last comment about seperating the RA and address assignment | 14:11 |
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| shshang | I have been thinking about how to differentiate the use case you mentioned (i.e. external router sends RA, dnsmasq as DHCPv6), and the case that dnsmasq will send RA and act as DHCPv6 | 14:13 |
| aveiga | I think ijw and I have gone over this a few times at this point, but the commands to enable addressing and the commands for routing need to be separated | 14:14 |
| aveiga | and this is why they won't fit in the API in the enable_dhcp attribute | 14:14 |
| shshang | yes | 14:14 |
| shshang | in other words, we need a separate keyword to capture the address assignment part, since the one we discussed is on RA announcment side. | 14:15 |
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| aveiga | I think we need to reword them too | 14:15 |
| aveiga | we make statements in the RA configuration that refer to addressing | 14:15 |
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| aveiga | we should completely separate them | 14:16 |
| shshang | either way, as long as we can carry the information precisely and concisely | 14:16 |
| aveiga | yup | 14:16 |
| shshang | The fastest way is to separate them by adding a switch to indicate whether dnsmasq will act as dhcpv6 server. | 14:17 |
| aveiga | nope, going right back down the hole we were digging out of | 14:17 |
| aveiga | don't link yourself to dnsmasq | 14:17 |
| aveiga | and this isn't a switch | 14:17 |
| aveiga | it's a pair of keywords that combine to make functionality | 14:18 |
| aveiga | I think we should just plain have two keywords | 14:18 |
| shshang | that is what I mean | 14:18 |
| shshang | two keywords | 14:18 |
| shshang | keep our current one for RA only | 14:18 |
| shshang | and another keyword to signal whether we need OpenStack to provide dhcpv6 function or not | 14:18 |
| aveiga | well, it's not boolean | 14:19 |
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| aveiga | it's off, stateless or stateful | 14:19 |
| aveiga | but yes | 14:19 |
| shshang | rename our current keyword set to something accurate, --enable-ipv6-ra | 14:19 |
| aveiga | agreed | 14:19 |
| aveiga | and reword the descriptions | 14:19 |
| aveiga | I can help with that | 14:19 |
| shshang | add another keywords like something --enable-ipv6-dhcpv6 | 14:20 |
| shshang | if you can help, that will be awesome | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | The only question I have is, the current attribute for subnets, enable_dhcp | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | ah... | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | that's a boolean isn't it. | 14:20 |
| aveiga | yeah | 14:20 |
| shshang | like TRUE or FALSE. :D | 14:20 |
| aveiga | so we need to have a powwow with Mark and Salvatore :-D | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | what about changing it to take options instead of just T/F ? | 14:21 |
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| shshang | like REMOTE or LOCAL? | 14:21 |
| aveiga | I think we should take this to the ML and ask for a chat with the cores for Neutron about this | 14:21 |
| baoli__ | --disable-dhcp Disable DHCP for this subnet | 14:21 |
| aveiga | baoli__: that's the problem, we need 3 modes | 14:21 |
| aveiga | not boolean | 14:22 |
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| sc68cal | Right - that sets the enable_dhcp attribute on a subnet to False | 14:22 |
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| sc68cal | via the neutron cli | 14:22 |
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| ijw | Just to get it into the meeting minutes: bugger. | 14:22 |
| aveiga | ijw: rough afternoon, eh? | 14:22 |
| baoli__ | If you create a ipv6 subnet, would that parameter work ? | 14:23 |
| ijw | I was in openstack-meeting-alt, cos I had a meeting there just before, and Sean's evil and moved channels | 14:23 |
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| aveiga | baoli__: the issue is that we need off, stateful and stateless as modes | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | I don't debate that I'm evil, although I swear I did this channel because alt is in use | 14:23 |
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| baoli__ | I see | 14:23 |
| ijw | It's supposed to be, but no, completely dead | 14:23 |
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| ijw | Sorry, I see I've come in in the middle of the attribute wars - what's the debate this time? | 14:24 |
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| aveiga | in any case, I think we need to hammer this out with the Neutron cores, there's no way we can get away with reusing enable_dhcp | 14:24 |
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| sc68cal | ok - who wants to grab that nettle? | 14:24 |
| baoli__ | does it have to be specified per subnet? | 14:25 |
| aveiga | baoli__: yes | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | baoli__: yes | 14:25 |
| shshang | yes | 14:25 |
| aveiga | sorry, didn't mean to gang up on you | 14:25 |
| shshang | :D | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | we have consensus :) | 14:25 |
| aveiga | but at least we have consensus | 14:25 |
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| baoli__ | that's fine. | 14:25 |
| shshang | sc68cal, grabbing that nettle is an action item? | 14:25 |
| aveiga | I think it needs to be a few of us | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | shshang: yes | 14:26 |
| shshang | I can raise my hand(s) | 14:26 |
| aveiga | I'll take an AI to write up the proposal | 14:26 |
| ijw | aveiga: we had two cores onside anyway | 14:26 |
| ijw | (Mark, Salvatore) | 14:26 |
| aveiga | ijw: I'm referring to them telling us to reuse enable_dhcp | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | #action shshang send e-mail to mailing list regarding new attribute | 14:26 |
| aveiga | that's not going to work | 14:26 |
| ijw | Didn't I do that yesterday? | 14:27 |
| ijw | ... are those my feet? | 14:27 |
| aveiga | they fired back about it | 14:27 |
| ijw | They agreed strenuously, I think that's fine | 14:27 |
| ijw | They say 'backwards compatible with enable_dhcp' - I'll check what Mark has in mind on IRC when he turns up too if you like | 14:28 |
| aveiga | yes, I'd like to have that chat with him | 14:28 |
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| aveiga | we need two keywords | 14:28 |
| ijw | Ok, keep an eye in #openstack-neutron later | 14:28 |
| aveiga | or perhaps we'll have to write all the permutations out as enumerations (ick) | 14:28 |
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| ijw | Yup, agreed, and unless he's telling us to control dhcp6 from the dhcp flag (I don't think so) then we just reserve enable_dhcp for v4 behaviour | 14:29 |
| ijw | Since v6 is busted that is backwards compatible, I think | 14:29 |
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| ijw | I'll check with evan too | 14:29 |
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| aveiga | sc68cal: I think we're settled here | 14:29 |
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| sc68cal | OK. | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:30 |
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| sc68cal | We're making some headway on the hairpinning bug | 14:30 |
| baoli__ | Question about dnsmasq instances. how to determine one needs started? separate ipv6 instance? | 14:31 |
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| ijw | As far as I'm concerned, shshang can do what he pleases as long as it implements the spec ;) | 14:31 |
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| sc68cal | baoli__: I believe dnsmasq processes are launched per subnet | 14:31 |
| aveiga | baoli__: if the option we pick for enabling dhcp is set to anything but off, you'll have to start one | 14:31 |
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| sc68cal | or possibly per network - | 14:31 |
| baoli__ | sc68cal, it's per network. | 14:31 |
| ijw | baoli__: not for v6 it isn't | 14:32 |
| ijw | You need it in your router namespaces | 14:32 |
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| baoli__ | ijw, if you add a subnet into a router, then you will have one instance per subnet? | 14:33 |
| ijw | The minimal number that will do is one per router (for RAs) plus one for all the subnets that don't have routers (which you could load all the dhcpv6 work onto) | 14:33 |
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| baoli__ | My qeustion is what if the subnet is not added into a router, but enabled with ipv6? | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | it's the other way around, I believe | 14:34 |
| sc68cal | routers are added to subnets | 14:34 |
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| sc68cal | via the API | 14:34 |
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| aveiga | I think it only depends on our mode settings | 14:35 |
| ijw | Either way, you need (at least) one dnsmasq per net with detached subnets that have address discovery enabled. | 14:35 |
| aveiga | if we set the RA mode off and the address mode off, you don't need one | 14:35 |
| baoli__ | usage: neutron router-interface-add [-h] [--request-format {json,xml}] router-id INTERFACE Add an internal network interface to a router. positional arguments: router-id ID of the router INTERFACE The format is "SUBNET|subnet=SUBNET|port=PORT". Either a subnet or port must be specified. Both ID and name are acc | 14:35 |
| aveiga | otherwise, you follow the settings | 14:35 |
| baoli__ | sorry, the format is not good to see | 14:35 |
| ijw | Yeah, that port doesn't really work for us any more. Ports are in one of the subnets for v4 but all of them for v6 | 14:36 |
| aveiga | I think this will be clarified better one the keyword stuff is nailed down | 14:36 |
| aveiga | once* | 14:36 |
| shshang | baoli, in your case (private network), all modes and keywords we discussed here is still valid, however, inside the code, the way I am writing it now is to detect whether gateway exist and launch dnsmasq accordingly | 14:36 |
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| aveiga | shshang: I think it doesn't need to detect anything | 14:37 |
| aveiga | just follow the keywords | 14:37 |
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| shshang | the CLI doesn't, but code need to | 14:37 |
| aveiga | I don't want to go down that hole where we have to detect things | 14:37 |
| baoli__ | shshang, so without a router, the VM won't be able talk ipv6? | 14:37 |
| shshang | the code need to differetiate whether the subnet has router port, or not | 14:37 |
| shshang | it still can | 14:38 |
| shshang | but the code needs to decide where to launch the dnsmasq | 14:38 |
| aveiga | baoli__: without a router, you'd either have link local only or you set dnsmasq to issue RAs for SLAAC | 14:38 |
| shshang | yup | 14:38 |
| baoli__ | aveiga, so you need to enable ipv6 in the dnsmasq running in the dhcp namespace? | 14:39 |
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| aveiga | that was my next question | 14:39 |
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| shshang | the answer is yet | 14:39 |
| shshang | yes | 14:39 |
| aveiga | are we running one dnsmasq per network, or one per subnet? | 14:39 |
| sc68cal | per network | 14:39 |
| baoli__ | per network as far as I saw it from my test | 14:40 |
| shshang | per subnet | 14:40 |
| aveiga | that begs the question | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | If anything, dnsmasq was being too helpful - it was adding entries to the leases file for ports that were on subnets that didn't have dhcp enabled | 14:40 |
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| aveiga | when you want an RA on the router port, you have to run another dnsmasq | 14:40 |
| aveiga | is this the case? | 14:40 |
| shshang | yup | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64578/ Ensure entries in dnsmasq belong to a subnet using DHCP | 14:40 |
| shshang | that is the hardest part | 14:41 |
| shshang | aveiga, I have been pulling my teeth to get that work... | 14:41 |
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| aveiga | I'm sure | 14:41 |
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| aveiga | this is why I suggested running radvd instead of an extra dnsmasq | 14:41 |
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| aveiga | but that complicates matters when you don't have a router | 14:42 |
| aveiga | damned if you do, damned if you don't | 14:42 |
| shshang | LOL...very true | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | Should we hook into the code that creates a router in neutron | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | to launch rtadvd? | 14:42 |
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| aveiga | sc68cal: your BSDisms are showing :-P | 14:43 |
| sc68cal | :) | 14:43 |
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| baoli__ | just tried to add a subnet, and here it is:ps -ef | grep dnsmasqnobody 2898 1 0 14:42 ? 00:00:00 dnsmasq --no-hosts --no-resolv --strict-order --bind-interfaces --interface=tap7c0d258a-dc --except-interface=lo --pid-file=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410/pid --dhcp-hostsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410/host --dhcp-optsfile=/opt/stack/data/ | 14:43 |
| sc68cal | s/rtadvd/radvd/ | 14:44 |
| aveiga | sc68cal: I knew what you meant | 14:44 |
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| baoli__ | --leasefile-ro --dhcp-range=set:tag0,10.0.0.0,static,86400s --dhcp-range=set:tag1,20.20.20.0,static,86400s --dhcp-lease-max=512 --conf-file= --domain=openstacklocal 1000 3225 3025 0 14:42 pts/3 00:00:00 grep --color=auto dnsmasq | 14:44 |
| sc68cal | I believe "133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410" is the network id | 14:45 |
| baoli__ | two subnets 10.0.0.0/24 & 20.20.20.0/24. | 14:45 |
| aveiga | right, it's one instance per network | 14:45 |
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| baoli__ | yes | 14:46 |
| shshang | in IPv6, you have to be one instance per subnet, due to default route | 14:46 |
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| shshang | assuming you want dnsmasq to send out RA | 14:46 |
| aveiga | shshang: only if you're issuing DHCPv6 from the router namespace | 14:46 |
| aveiga | and actually, not even | 14:47 |
| aveiga | it's still one per network | 14:47 |
| aveiga | you issue the RA per subnet | 14:47 |
| aveiga | dnsmasq should be able to issue multiple RAs | 14:47 |
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| shshang | Yes, dnsmasq will issue the RA per subnet, and, dnsmasq needs to bind to the default gw port | 14:47 |
| baoli__ | I'm not sure if the router port is numbered with IP addresses from multiple subnets in the same network | 14:48 |
| aveiga | oh, that's the problem | 14:48 |
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| aveiga | it's because you can't do that in ipv4 | 14:48 |
| aveiga | ugh, that means we have to run one per subnet | 14:48 |
| shshang | yup | 14:48 |
| aveiga | however | 14:49 |
| ijw | Well, we would want to fix the port addressing | 14:49 |
| aveiga | if you ran dnsmasq on the dhcp namespace | 14:49 |
| ijw | Or, at least, we could | 14:49 |
| aveiga | you could probably run radvd on the router namespace for each port | 14:49 |
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| aveiga | I still think it's better to decouple them, even in the actual code | 14:49 |
| aveiga | makes it cleaner | 14:50 |
| shshang | you mean, decouple which two? | 14:50 |
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| aveiga | addressing and RA | 14:50 |
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| aveiga | i.e. run dnsmasq where it normally runs | 14:50 |
| aveiga | and run radvd on the router namespace | 14:50 |
| aveiga | just don't have dnsmasq do the RAs at all | 14:51 |
| shshang | agreed. I think you successfully convinced me. :D | 14:51 |
| ijw | If it were me, for the sake of simplicity and also so that dhcp doesn't jump addresses when you attach a router, I would run one process for DHCP and one for RA. And, if it were me, I would also run the v6 process indepdently of v4, at least until we've established things are working. | 14:51 |
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| ijw | Optimise later. | 14:51 |
| shshang | now I can only use what we have...i.e. dnsmasq. | 14:51 |
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| aveiga | ijw: I'd agree with you, except for the fact that neutron mlk has been abuzz with performance issues recently | 14:52 |
| aveiga | ml* | 14:52 |
| baoli__ | aveiga, that's probably a good idea | 14:52 |
| ijw | Yes, though I don't know that we would necessarily be making performance much worse by doing this (where specifically we're talking about the turnaround for adding a port) | 14:52 |
| aveiga | ijw: I agree | 14:53 |
| aveiga | so let's try it | 14:53 |
| ijw | It's kill -HUP on more processes - but we're going to be doing that anyway, and it's a function call not a command (ovs-vsctl is the root of all evil tbh) | 14:53 |
| aveiga | just expecet a mislead -1 here and there | 14:53 |
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| baoli__ | Another question, are we going to support ipv6 prefix delegation with dhcp? | 14:54 |
| shshang | yes, that is in Sean's original proposal | 14:54 |
| baoli__ | ok | 14:54 |
| aveiga | baoli__: yes, but I think that's a J thing | 14:54 |
| aveiga | it's too much to get out the door for Icehouse | 14:55 |
| baoli__ | I see | 14:55 |
| shshang | but not sure whether it makes to icehouse.... | 14:55 |
| baoli__ | agree | 14:55 |
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| aveiga | it's in my backlog to writeup though | 14:55 |
| ijw | I'd put that the other way - fundamental addressing, then fundamental routing, then whatever we can fit in | 14:55 |
| aveiga | we'll need it for advanced services VMs | 14:55 |
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| aveiga | we have 5 minutes left | 14:56 |
| aveiga | anyone else have anything they want to bring up? | 14:56 |
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| ijw | shshang: ping me when you have a patch up and I'll come check it out | 14:56 |
| baoli__ | Sean, how can I access to your original proposal? Are they all accessible from the meeting wiki? | 14:56 |
| ijw | Daniel B has -1'ed the hairpin, I see | 14:56 |
| ijw | Can't track him down on here, I thought he was berrange but if he is he ain't on | 14:56 |
| ijw | Looks very like he's been out a week. I'll deal with it | 14:57 |
| sc68cal | baoli__: check the blueprints | 14:57 |
| sc68cal | I believe our wiki page for the subteam meetings will have links | 14:57 |
| baoli__ | ok, thanks | 14:57 |
| baoli__ | Do you think I can work on it? | 14:57 |
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| sc68cal | baoli__: the prefix delegation? | 14:58 |
| baoli__ | Sean, yes | 14:58 |
| sc68cal | I don't know if we have a specific blueprint to cover it - feel free to register it and start the work | 14:59 |
| baoli__ | cool, thanks | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | make sure you base it on top of the dnsmasq topic | 14:59 |
| baoli__ | absolutely | 14:59 |
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| sc68cal | ok everyone, till next week | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 15:00:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-14-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-14-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-14-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| aveiga | o/ | 15:00 |
| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 15:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here for the gantt/scheduler meeting? | 15:01 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:01 |
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| garyk | hi | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 15:01 |
| toan-tran | hi all | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | I think boris-42 normally gets here a little late so lets talk about the code frorklift first | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic scheduler code forklift | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | Don't know if you saw my email but I've got about 24 patches to bring the gantt tree synced up to recent nova changes | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | feelings seem to be that we should still review those sync up patches so I'll push them soon but that means there will be a lot of reviews needed | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | just a warning that we will need to do those reviews | 15:04 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we are still fixing bugs & so on | 15:04 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano and we started preparing demo with Rally | 15:05 |
| n0ano | on second thought, let's switch topics | 15:05 |
| n0ano | #topic no_db scheduler | 15:05 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano so qucik update | 15:05 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano we are fixing unit test that are related to DB code | 15:05 |
| boris-42 | n0ano and in parallel working around benchmarking it at scale | 15:05 |
| n0ano | so the bugs are not that critical i guess | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we will use Rally and some new functionality of it that is not yet merged | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yep it works on home devstack installation | 15:06 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano but need to pass all jenkins stuff | 15:06 |
| n0ano | for sure | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano and verify results using Rally | 15:06 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano so Rally is able to deploy multimode OpenStack deployment | 15:06 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano and to deploy compute_nodes insinde LXC containers | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano so we will deploy it probably on 1 controller + 1000 compute node | 15:07 |
| n0ano | is there a lot of functionality that is unmerged? sounds like there will be a big change when your stuff goes in | 15:07 |
| boris-42 | n0ano where in Rally? | 15:07 |
| toan-tran | boris-42: what do you use for nova driver inside LXC? | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran we will use virt fake | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | that will allow us to avoid usage of resources | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran and run 1 compute node per 100mb of RAM | 15:08 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 ok | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran it will be actually really simple to repeat on your pc | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran so that's all | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | n0ano ^ | 15:09 |
| n0ano | not sure what your question was, I didn't mention rally | 15:10 |
| toan-tran | we've also tried LXC actually :) | 15:10 |
| toan-tran | but failed to use libvirt or lxc as driver | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran don't try to do it=) | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | n0ano I mean all new scheduler is not merged | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | n0ano all patches are still on review | 15:11 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano what we need is to pass all tests in gate | 15:11 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano and to test how performance changed | 15:11 |
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| n0ano | then the `not merged functionality' is stuff that needs to be added to your no_db code, right? | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, you there? | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | n0ano nope | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | n0ano it's functionality that is not merged in master, and is on review | 15:15 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano these patches will add new scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/no-db-scheduler,n,z | 15:15 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano when they will be merged | 15:15 |
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| garyk | boris-42: i have been over the code - there are some cases where there are no tests cases in the patch sets and added in sets after that. would it be possible to address that. it may speed things up a little | 15:16 |
| boris-42 | garyk could you just put this on review? | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | garyk yep sure we will address all such stuff | 15:17 |
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| garyk | boris-42: sure. have already in some that i have been over, will do again | 15:18 |
| n0ano | so, to be clear, these 5 patches implment the no_db scheduler, is that right? | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yep | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | n0ano but the work is not ended | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | n0ano we should refactor code a bit + add data from cinder | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | cool, that will be a big accomplishment | 15:19 |
| n0ano | sure, there's always more work but getting it in will be a big start | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | n0ano | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | yep | 15:20 |
| boris-42 | and we will make benchmarks as well | 15:20 |
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| boris-42 | to approve that new approach is better | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | yeah, benchmarks will be needed, I think it's the right approach but you have to be able to measure it to prove it's the right way to go | 15:21 |
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| toan-tran | boris-42 after the merge will all the functions nova.db.xxx still work? | 15:21 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran that's the part of refactoring | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran we will remove them | 15:22 |
| toan-tran | for instance, does availability-zone filter's call for DB work or we have to modify the call? | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | I think that we will need to modify all this stuff | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | it's important to remove all related to DB stuff from scheduler logic | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | then we will be able to implement Gantt | 15:23 |
| toan-tran | can you make a proxy call from Synchronizer? | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | scheduler as a service | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran seems like we will need for all such data (or to store it in scheduler) | 15:24 |
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| toan-tran | e.g. some functions for compute still use nova DB , some host-state functions will be redirected by synchronizer | 15:24 |
| toan-tran | ? | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | two approach available 1. store all on scheduler 2. make calls to data provider | 15:24 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran at this moment we moved compute_node/compute_node_stats tables to schedler | 15:26 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran and we will remove compute_node* table and all db.api.calls that are related to it | 15:26 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 what about aggregate-hosts tables ? | 15:27 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran at the first moment we won't touch them | 15:28 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran then we will refactor | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, funny, that's what I thought you'd say :-) | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | sounds good, any other questions for boris-42 ? | 15:30 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 my concern is that some of the tables, like aggragates - hosts - metadata are used in more than one nvoa service | 15:30 |
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| toan-tran | as I understand, you will make others to call nova-scheduler to consult them | 15:30 |
| toan-tran | is that correct? | 15:30 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, which means the refactoring to deal with that will be a little tricky, including new calls to the scheduler | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano yep | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano because current approach with AMOUNT_OF_SERVERS calls will not scale at all | 15:31 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran ^ | 15:31 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran so by refactoring I am thinking about redesign it | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran to work without N calls | 15:32 |
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| toan-tran | boris-42 understood | 15:32 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran to explain why it doesn't scale you can just calculate | 15:33 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran 2k servers * 100 (instance to run) == 200k db calls | 15:33 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 each call = compute_node join metadata join service ..., yeah, i see the picture | 15:34 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran yep that makes picture even worse | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran and our goal is to make OpenStack working at least on 10k servers | 15:35 |
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| boris-42 | out of box | 15:35 |
| n0ano | boris-42, tnx for the update, good work | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | n0ano np | 15:36 |
| n0ano | moving back | 15:36 |
| boris-42 | n0ano hope to show some results on next week | 15:36 |
| n0ano | #scheduler code forklift | 15:36 |
| n0ano | as I said, gantt tree up & I will be posting about 24 syncup patches | 15:37 |
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| ddutta | sorry to jump in ... but have people tried to measure against mysql running on ramdisk ... 1TB RAM is quite a lot | 15:37 |
| n0ano | I'll probably get a little obnoxious about getting reviews for those | 15:37 |
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| garyk | ddutta: :) | 15:37 |
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| n0ano | ddutta, can you hold off a bit, I think we can close the current topic quickly | 15:38 |
| n0ano | I see some patches against the gantt client tree so people are starting to look at things but there's a lot of work that needs to be done yet | 15:38 |
| n0ano | my biggest concern is getting nova to use the gantt tree, I'd like to see some progress there | 15:39 |
| coolsvap | n0ano: I agree, it was just a initial code I am trying to add to ganttclient | 15:39 |
| n0ano | coolsvap, NP, very necessary to get things started, now the real work begins :-) | 15:40 |
| coolsvap | I would like to see the patches you will be submitting | 15:40 |
| n0ano | coolsvap, I hope to push them this afternoon (lots of meetings this morning) but there all pretty clean updaes from the nova tree, should be simple to review | 15:41 |
| n0ano | coolsvap, btw, nothing for the ganttclient tree yet, I'll sync that tree later this week. | 15:42 |
| coolsvap | n0ano: I have submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66263/ | 15:42 |
| n0ano | coolsvap, tnx, I'll go look at it. | 15:43 |
| garyk | i am sorry but i need to leave. ddutta can provide an update for the instance groups. the scheduling patch has been in review since june :). | 15:43 |
| garyk | have a good day/evening | 15:43 |
| n0ano | garyk, sorry we took so long, have a good day | 15:43 |
| n0ano | anyway, I think that's all for the forklift so... | 15:43 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:44 |
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| n0ano | ddutta, you had a question? | 15:44 |
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| ddutta | regarding the performance of the scheduler etc - wondering if someone had tried mysql on ramdisk | 15:44 |
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| boris-42 | ddutta it is not so big problem with mysql | 15:44 |
| n0ano | ddutta, how would that work with multiple schedulers? | 15:45 |
| ddutta | sorry I jumped in late and saw back of the envelope calculation ... | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | ddutta e.g. for 10k nodes it takes about 2sec to get all data from mysql | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | ddutta on not so super upper powerful server | 15:45 |
| ddutta | well how does the multiple scheduler use case supposed to work | 15:45 |
| * n0ano ignore my comment on multiple schedulers, it doesn't apply | 15:46 | |
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| boris-42 | ddutta the most part of time is taken to create python object from mysql result | 15:46 |
| ddutta | for example we extracted data from nova and punt it to a constraint solver and even that is fast | 15:46 |
| ddutta | and we are doing math optimziation | 15:46 |
| ddutta | well i think the bottleneck is in all the filter scheduler ... you are solving for constraints in python | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | ddutta not only in filter | 15:47 |
| ddutta | we demo-ed it last nov in a talk and have it for review | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | ddutta for example for 10k servers filter works takes about 1 sec | 15:47 |
| boris-42 | ddutta and getting data about 10 | 15:47 |
| ddutta | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/solver-scheduler | 15:47 |
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| boris-42 | ddutta we made some performance testing | 15:48 |
| boris-42 | ddutta even more we already improve speed of scheduler | 15:48 |
| boris-42 | ddutta in havana | 15:48 |
| ddutta | interesting... do u have a doc? | 15:48 |
| ddutta | with the breakdown of numbers | 15:48 |
| toan-tran | ddutta: I took a look at solver-scheduler, it requires much more time than filter scheduler | 15:48 |
| ddutta | well depends on what constraints you use | 15:49 |
| toan-tran | with filter scheduler, it's mysql access that cost much | 15:49 |
| boris-42 | ddutta https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43151/ | 15:49 |
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| toan-tran | ddutta as I see it, your constraint depends on the filters you use | 15:49 |
| boris-42 | toan-tran in case of no-db-scheduler you are accessing local python object | 15:49 |
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| toan-tran | ddutta using to the same filters , it requires more treatment than simply apply the filters | 15:50 |
| toan-tran | as in filter scheduler | 15:50 |
| toan-tran | but basically you'll need host state access, too | 15:50 |
| ddutta | not really ... if you have a complex set of filters ... you will compete against optimized C++ code in the optimixation backend (we use apache licensed solvers from google) | 15:51 |
| toan-tran | I think that no-db would profit you, too | 15:51 |
| ddutta | yeah its orthogonal to the solving ... I agree .... | 15:51 |
| ddutta | if the bottleneck is only in the mysql -> py objects, then fine .... | 15:51 |
| boris-42 | ddutta it's not | 15:51 |
| boris-42 | ddutta but it's the biggest one | 15:52 |
| boris-42 | ddutta btw do you have server with 1TB RAM? | 15:52 |
| ddutta | all that a solver (or any filter) needs is a simple matrix from the mysql calls which IMO is much easier than assembling from py objects | 15:52 |
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| ddutta | yeah I have access to servers with 1TB and 768GB RAM ... 1TB is not common but doable ... 768GB is very common | 15:53 |
| ddutta | I can run a benchmark if you want :) | 15:53 |
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| boris-42 | ddutta okay I will introduce you later | 15:53 |
| * n0ano considers the statment `768GB is very common' | 15:53 | |
| ddutta | n0ano: common in the lab I have access to :) | 15:54 |
| * coolsvap too n0ano :) | 15:54 | |
| n0ano | ddutta, still :-) | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | sounds like ddutta and boris-42 need to email each other and maybe report out next week, I'll keep the fire on you guys | 15:55 |
| ddutta | sure! | 15:55 |
| boris-42 | n0ano yep | 15:55 |
| n0ano | getting close to the hour, any last minute opens? | 15:55 |
| ddutta | quick update on instance groups | 15:55 |
| n0ano | ddutta, go for it | 15:55 |
| ddutta | v2 API under review for a while ... the gating item was v3 which is 80% done | 15:56 |
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| ddutta | hopefully we will commit it in a few days and start bugging people for reviews | 15:56 |
| ddutta | </status> | 15:56 |
| n0ano | cool, tnx (lots of reviews coming up, people get ready) | 15:57 |
| n0ano | last call? | 15:57 |
| n0ano | OK, tnx everyone, talk to you next week. | 15:57 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 15:57:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-14-15.00.html | 15:57 |
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| boris-42 | akscram ping | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:27 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 17:27:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:27 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders hi | 17:28 |
| hughsaunders | hi | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | sorry I late a bit=) | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | os let's start | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | seems like nobody is here=) lol | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | okay I have a couple things that I would like to disucss | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Benchamrk engine better result collecting | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | So the main idea that now we are collection only times of whole scenario loop | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | but it could be improved to collect results of all atomic actions | 17:31 |
| hughsaunders | that would be good | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | so we already have some kind of base classes | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/nova/utils.py | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | so with such atomic actions | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | we should make some decorator | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | that will be add on them and that will contain name of "parameter" | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | then we will store all data in class object (like now https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/nova/servers.py#L38 this work) | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | and then get it https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/runner.py#L55 | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | here from class instance | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | and push in key like full_times | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders thoughts ^ | 17:34 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: I think more granular results would be useful | 17:35 |
| hughsaunders | like I was attempting with scenario_specific_results | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | yep but that is a bit different | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | and could be implemented together=) | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | I will try to find time to retest your patch soon | 17:36 |
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| hughsaunders | sounds like you have a plan that could work across all scenarios? | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders just add decorators to all "atomic" actions (like _boot_server) | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | that will store in class object | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | all timings | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | and then after execution of method get them | 17:37 |
| hughsaunders | that makes sense | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | so this will be feature of scenario runner not every benchmark | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | okay so it seems like good idea | 17:39 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: may be able to auto-decorate with a metaclass? | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | not sure | 17:39 |
| hughsaunders | I'm not sure either, would have to do some reading | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | I mean I would like to decorate only "atomic" actions | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | if we continue storing all such methods in couple classes | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | like now https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/keystone/utils.py#L35 | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | then it is possible | 17:40 |
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| hughsaunders | ok, probably simpler to use a decorator as you suggested | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | yep to specify some beauty names | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | like here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/keystone/utils.py#L41 | 17:41 |
| hughsaunders | anyone else here BTW? | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | miarmak should be=) | 17:42 |
| miarmak | + | 17:42 |
| miarmak | hi 2 all) | 17:42 |
| hughsaunders | hi miarmak :) | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | so .. I think that we could continue discussing this | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | in other place | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | like ether pad but the major idea is ok | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Tempest | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | miarmak could you share your results ? | 17:44 |
| miarmak | boris-42: : over what period? | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | miarmak about Rally & Tempest | 17:45 |
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| miarmak | tomorrow I'll start investigate this issue. Today and yesterday i tryed to finish all my activities in other issues | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | so you didn't start work around this part? | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | Okay I will just share for others | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | We are going to add some kind of cloud verification | 17:47 |
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| hughsaunders | I was wondering if tempest has/needs a plugin system, so stackforge projects can use that to provide their own tests | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders hmm yep I think it need | 17:47 |
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| miarmak | Yesterday I installed rally, but had some problems with it usage (Hugh alredy have reported this bug) | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | miarmak and fixed=) | 17:47 |
| miarmak | oh, it's great) hughsaunders: Thanks! | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | so the tempest & rally integration means next one | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | we have at this moment part that creates "deployments" | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | part that runs "benchmarks" | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | and there is no way before running benchmark to ensure that whole cloud works properly | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | so we would like to add 1 more command | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | something like openstack-rally verify --deploy-id | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | that will make proper tempest config | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | and run tempest against cloud | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | miarmak hughsaunders I think it will be nice functionality ^ | 17:50 |
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| hughsaunders | ahh, so we don't actually need rally specific tests, we run standard tempest tests before benchmarking | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | not only before | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | when you would like | 17:50 |
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| hughsaunders | yeah | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | just "button" to run tempest against coud | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | cloud* | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | so I think it's ok? | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders ^ | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | miarmak ^ | 17:52 |
| hughsaunders | I think that would be useful | 17:52 |
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| miarmak | I think so | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | ok nice | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | last topic for today | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally & Benchmarks Inside VMs | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | so the ideas is to make next steps | 17:54 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: next step: get my review to patchset 20 ;-) | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | lol=) | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | using heat install inside VMs different benchmark suits | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | then run them | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | collect info | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | present to user | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | so we can use current benchmark engine | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | and I don't know probably N different benchmark scenario for N different suits | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | each of benchmark scenario will have some (probably hardcoded heat template) that makes required installation | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | so we will be able to run a lot of simultaneously benchmarks in cloud | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | and check that there is no difference if we run with 1 active user and with N active user | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders miarmak thoughts ^ | 17:57 |
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| hughsaunders | that would be good, I prob won't have time to work on it soon though :( | 17:58 |
| hughsaunders | also have to go at in two mins | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:58 |
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| miarmak | why hardcoded? We can make several heat templates and use necessary щту | 17:58 |
| miarmak | one* | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | because every heat template is related with some benchmark suit | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | different benchmark suit will be in different scnearios | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | because processing of output data will be done in different ways | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | but this is all under discussion | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | so i will make some ether pad | 17:59 |
| miarmak | oh, ok | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | about this and probably send to mailing list | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | Okay we have to end meeting | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | see you later | 18:00 |
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| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| miarmak | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 18:00:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-14-17.27.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-14-17.27.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-14-17.27.log.html | 18:00 |
| hughsaunders | laters, apologies for early exit.. | 18:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 18:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| gyee_ | \o | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| fabiog | hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #topic Hackathon | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | the agenda is basically empty, and lots of people are en route to san antonio today for the hackathon tomorrow | 18:01 |
| dolphm | so... | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #topic Open discussion | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | :) | 18:01 |
| dolphm | i'm mostly looking at blueprint-targeted patchsets today | 18:01 |
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| nkinder | I'd like to discuss the keystone OSSN I'm working on. | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: the one we discussed on friday? | 18:02 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: yep. Just want to know if there's anything to change. | 18:02 |
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| bknudson | nkinder: is it posted somewhere? | 18:03 |
| nkinder | dolphm: I still don't mention anything about potential fixes in Havana | 18:03 |
| nkinder | bknudson: let me grab the launchpad link... | 18:03 |
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| fabiog | dolphm, I was wondering if the extensions notification is ready for merging ... | 18:04 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1254619/comments/24 | 18:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254619 in ossn "external.Default authentication plugin only considers leftmost part of the REMOTE_USER split by "@"" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:04 |
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| fabiog | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57811/ | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | fabiog: i started reviewing it this morning again, and ended up spending an hour rewriting that EXTENSIONS_HOWTO doc a bit | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | fabiog: so i still need to get back on track there | 18:05 |
| bknudson | nkinder: seems like with the recommended action working around the problem that no fix to havana is required. | 18:05 |
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| fabiog | dolphm, ok. Thanks! | 18:06 |
| dolphm | fabiog: worst case, i'm sure we'll spend some time on it during the hackathon... but my goal is to review it this afternoon | 18:07 |
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| nkinder | bknudson: the only restriction that havana introduced is that you can't have external users with "@" characters in their name. | 18:07 |
| dolphm | nkinder: so, we landed a fix to master... bknudson, i'd be okay backporting that to havana as-is... thoughts? | 18:07 |
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| bknudson | nkinder: the changes to havana also made it so that we don't ship a plugin that works with both v2 and v3 auth. | 18:08 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I don't think the changes are backwards-compatible? | 18:08 |
| bknudson | I haven't looked at the review closely... it's on my list of things to do. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | bknudson: well, it would provide a backwards compatible solution, but you'd have to opt-in to use the "broken" class after upgrading | 18:09 |
| dolphm | bknudson: otherwise, we'd be hot swapping one implementation for another, and yeah... that might break people | 18:09 |
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| nkinder | dolphm: so are you OK with the OSSN as is, or are changes you'd like to see? | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: i like it as is | 18:13 |
| nkinder | dolphm: ok, great. Would you please approve it in the launchpad bug? We're trying to always get PTL signoff for OSSNs now. | 18:14 |
| dolphm | nkinder: sure | 18:14 |
| nkinder | dolphm: thanks! | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | nkinder: done | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: quick question on trusts if we are still in open discussion? | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: absolutely | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | Should the manager class here be implemented to call driver? | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/trust/core.py#L36 | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | like... | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/catalog/core.py#L72 | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | so that, if we wanted to use notifications on trusts, we could by wrapping the Manager methods with the notifications wrapper? | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: it does call the driver -- everything is proxied through automatically | 18:28 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: if you want to wrap specific calls, you can override them and do so | 18:28 |
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| jamielennox | hi all, sorry i'm late | 18:29 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: o/ | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: ok, so that would only be methods for trust CUD that would need to be in the trust.Manager | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: there's only a few of us on, so it's just an hour of open discussion | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | yea, i thought it would be quiet today | 18:30 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: if that's what you want to emit notifications for, then yes | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | ok, sounds good | 18:30 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: create_trust, delete_trust? (there's no update) | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | right | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ++ | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | cool, thanks! | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | not that it's not nice to chat but is there anything for me? otherwise i might go back to bed | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: can you have a loot at your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62546/ | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | you wanted a rebase - but then the -1 got carried over | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: hrm, i asked for a rebase because i thoguht there was a merge conflict to be resolved | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | maybe i did a bad checkout | 18:35 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: approved | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | it's a little old now, but it shouldn't conflict with anything | 18:36 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: i also rebased and opend up the the auth_plugins patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/ | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | if you get a chance try to wrap your head around it because it's going to be difficult to get the compatibility right and figure out how to test the thing | 18:38 |
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| jamielennox | alright - enjoy the hackathon - wish i could be there | 18:40 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: +2'd the underlying patch | 18:40 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: /salute go to bed! | 18:40 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i posted a diff in a review comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54647/ | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i think that completes the bp? | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: the problem is it'll never pass tempest | 18:42 |
| bknudson | because tempest has tests that verify the old behavior | 18:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: eek, what does tempest assert? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ah. | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I posted a change to tempest but was -1d https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56106/ | 18:43 |
| bknudson | and then I didn't get back to it. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | dolphm: maybe it can be accepted (or a version of it) given the blueprint. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | I'm easily distracted | 18:44 |
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| dolphm | lol | 18:44 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: it sounds like they just want to see the bp on the keystone side? | 18:45 |
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| dolphm | which would just be no-check-id | 18:46 |
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| marekd | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244 - some comments here, mainly about naming conventions. These are minor things, i don't mind changing the names, but if you leave some trace i would fix it tomorrow. | 18:53 |
| dolphm | marekd: leave a trace? | 18:53 |
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| dolphm | marekd: go ahead and clean up the names, and include the changes from this patch (which i'll abandon) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66638/ | 18:54 |
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| marekd | dolphm: ok, i will do so. | 18:55 |
| marekd | thanks. | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | just a couple minutes left, so i'm going to #endmeeting before i forget :) | 18:58 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 18:58:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-14-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-14-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-14-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
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| marekd | ok, gnight! | 18:58 |
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| fabiog | bye! | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | fabiog: marekd: /salute | 18:58 |
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| fungi | infra team assemble! (form of: a meeting) | 19:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | hub_cap, SlickNik, lifeless, SergeyLukjanov, pabelanger, zaro, zhiwei, reed are also mentioned on the agenda | 19:01 |
| lifeless | ruh roh | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | i believe clarkb and jeblair are incommunicado | 19:01 |
| mordred | stupid australia | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 19:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| reed | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | i took the liberty to throw a few more items on the agenda at the last minute, mainly stuff which has cropped up on which i'm either looking into or failing to find bandwidth to address | 19:03 |
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| fungi | we may not get to everything mentioned there, but we'll see how far the hour takes us | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | there were none | 19:03 |
| mordred | yay! | 19:03 |
| mordred | we win | 19:03 |
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| fungi | it was also a very short meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Trove testing (mordred, hub_cap, SlickNik) | 19:04 |
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| mordred | I have no status | 19:04 |
| fungi | no exciting news? | 19:04 |
| mordred | and hub_cap and SlickNik are not here | 19:04 |
| mordred | well, I've done no real work in a month, so expect very little from me | 19:04 |
| fungi | SlickNik was in here last week and said he's working on it | 19:04 |
| mordred | awesome | 19:04 |
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| fungi | so we'll just assume that's still the case and move along | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic Tripleo testing (lifeless, pleia2, fungi) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | we apparently have a new tripleo cloud? | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | the new cloud is up for this, fungi added the new info in a review | 19:05 |
| fungi | lifeless and i were discussing it last night | 19:05 |
| fungi | and again just now | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:05 |
| fungi | i need to test the credentials by creating a floating-ip for the controller i guess? | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | I have to schedule a meeting with dprince and derekh to chat about progress otherwise | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i'll get the details later on what should happen from my end | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:06 |
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| pleia2 | that's it from me, holidays + LCA has put me a bit behind | 19:06 |
| fungi | the config change for nodepool is at... | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/66491 | 19:06 |
| fungi | i've updated the creds in hiera to what i think they're supposed to be now | 19:07 |
| fungi | the old poc cloud going down exposed a nodepool bug for us too | 19:07 |
| * mordred is excited | 19:07 | |
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| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269001 | 19:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1269001 in nodepool "Nodepool stops building any new nodes when one provider is down" [High,Triaged] | 19:07 |
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| pleia2 | ouch | 19:07 |
| fungi | it resulted in the backup you see in the gate currently | 19:08 |
| sdague | yeh, that's why we have a huge gate queue this morning | 19:08 |
| fungi | the test nodes graph on the status page is fun | 19:08 |
| sdague | we had 250 jobs in the check queue, at least that is trending down | 19:08 |
| fungi | i said in the bug i'd make a patch, and then started to dig into the nodepool source, and then was drawn and quartered by other things which cropped up, so if anyone else wants that bug, it's probably not too hard | 19:09 |
| fungi | otherwise i hope to get to it before it bites us again | 19:09 |
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| fungi | anything else on tripleo testing before i move on? | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #action fungi test new tripleo ci cloud account credentials | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #topic Savanna testing (SergeyLukjanov) | 19:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | nothing realling interesting this week too | 19:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | changes are under review in tempest | 19:10 |
| fungi | okay, want to keep it on the agenda for next week still? | 19:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | basic integration has been already merged in | 19:11 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, probably we could move it to the end of agenda | 19:11 |
| fungi | okay, will do | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Zuul release (2.0?) / packaging (jeblair, pabelanger) | 19:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I don't think that we'll have enough questions in the nearest feature to have searated section on the meeting | 19:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ^^ about savanna testing | 19:12 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tag/?id=2.0.0 | 19:12 |
| fungi | i guess that happened | 19:12 |
| fungi | weeks ago | 19:13 |
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| fungi | has there been any fallout from it which bears discussing, or should it come off the agenda? | 19:13 |
| fungi | i'm thinking the latter | 19:13 |
| * mordred votes later | 19:13 | |
| fungi | after more than a month, any bugs should be addressed as, well, bugs | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #topic Jenkins 1.543 upgrade (zaro, clarkb) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | i believe the main news here is that jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 still need an upgrade to match 02-04, but sdague has spotted some missing logs which clarkb thinks may be a locking/sync problem in the scp plugin | 19:15 |
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| sdague | yeh, we're loosing console logs an alarming amount of the time | 19:15 |
| sdague | 5 - 10% by what I'm seeing | 19:15 |
| sdague | which explains why elastic recheck has been missing a lot of things | 19:16 |
| mordred | can we use turbo-hipster yet? | 19:16 |
| fungi | current guess based on the logstash client logs is that we're racing and requesting the console log before it's available, so we get a 404 | 19:16 |
| fungi | and that this is probably the upshot of the threading fix which was made to the scp plugin to work properly on newer jenkins | 19:17 |
| fungi | which coincides with when we think this behavior began | 19:17 |
| mordred | seems sensible to me | 19:17 |
| sdague | yeh, fixing that is somewhat of a blocker for some of the ER work, because if ES isn't a reliable source of truth, a lot of the numbers have no meaning | 19:18 |
| fungi | zaro: you were wanting to discuss it in detail with clarkb before digging into it further, you said | 19:18 |
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| fungi | #action zaro discuss potential scp plugin race with clarkb | 19:19 |
| fungi | #action fungi upgrade jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 to match 02-04 | 19:20 |
| fungi | if somebody else beats me to that, i won't complain | 19:20 |
| fungi | #topic Requested StackForge project rename (fungi, clarkb, zhiwei) | 19:20 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-January/000594.html | 19:20 |
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| fungi | stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering wants to rename to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-telemetry | 19:21 |
| fungi | apparently using official terms instead of codenames for openstack projects doesn't keep you from having to rename things | 19:21 |
| mordred | :) | 19:21 |
| fungi | i'm willing to do this on saturday (the 18th) and clarkb said he expected to be around that day if i ran into major issues | 19:22 |
| fungi | i'll tentatively set this for 19:00 utc, but i'll nail down a time when he's around | 19:23 |
| fungi | #action fungi rename stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering to -telemetry | 19:23 |
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| fungi | #topic Ongoing new project creation issues (fungi, clarkb) | 19:23 |
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| * mordred was just reading the latest on that | 19:24 | |
| fungi | manage-projects is apparently still broken | 19:24 |
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| mordred | didn't we make it so that it would error out if group creation didnt' work | 19:24 |
| mordred | so that at least you could just re-run it over and over again/ | 19:24 |
| mordred | ? | 19:24 |
| fungi | i tried two more new project creations as guinea pigs yesterday and got the same behavior we'd been seein gpreviously | 19:24 |
| * mordred is sad | 19:24 | |
| fungi | i even tried it on one project which was reusing an existing acl, thus no group creation required | 19:25 |
| fungi | something prevented it from getting as far as cloning the upstream repo, yet it created an empty project in gerrit and then we got broken mirrors everywhere for it | 19:25 |
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| mordred | oh god | 19:25 |
| mordred | wth? | 19:26 |
| fungi | i think next we should run it manually without letting puppet try to run it first, since when i rerun it, everything seems fine | 19:26 |
| mordred | yeah. maybe we shoudl just, for the time being, run it manually from time to time | 19:26 |
| mordred | since that's probably less work than fixing the broken runs | 19:26 |
| fungi | anyway, new project requests are piling up, most have -2 votes on them waiting on this to get working | 19:26 |
| mordred | and then once we've figured out what's wrong, we can re-enable the puppet triger | 19:26 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:27 |
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| fungi | mordred: i've been reviewing most of the new project requests even in light of their -2 condition, trying to get them in shape anyway. if you want to look at them and try manual manage-projects runs on them, i won't object | 19:27 |
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| mordred | fungi: k. | 19:28 |
| mordred | that would require me having +2 access and ssh access again | 19:28 |
| fungi | though i will admit, my review backlog the past few weeks has been abominable | 19:28 |
| fungi | mordred: yes | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #action fungi get mordred's gerrit group membership reinstated | 19:28 |
| fungi | thanks for the reminder ;) | 19:28 |
| fungi | #action mordred look at the current state of manage-projects failures | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #topic Pip 1.5 readiness efforts (fungi, mordred) | 19:29 |
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| fungi | at this point most stuff is okay, but requirements integration is broken still | 19:30 |
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| fungi | we have four known global requirements which pip 1.5 will not download without explicit --allow-external --allow-insecure whitelisting | 19:30 |
| fungi | i have a change proposed to do that... | 19:31 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/66364 | 19:31 |
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| fungi | however, it's now hitting an issue with pip 1.5's refusal to follow -f urls in requirements by default | 19:32 |
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| fungi | apparently we have projects consuming oslo.messaging even though it's never been released to pypi | 19:32 |
| mordred | fungi: how about we land a change to run-mirror with the allow-insecure flag turned on to allow -f | 19:32 |
| fungi | i did get around to reserving it on pypi yesterday at least, so nobody else can squat it | 19:32 |
| mordred | fungi: then we land the changes to things to remove their -f | 19:32 |
| mordred | then we land a change to remove the allow-insecure | 19:32 |
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| fungi | mordred: i do want to try that next, however i also want to make sure it's not going to result in us pulling those things into our actual mirror (which pypi-mirror also builds/updates) | 19:33 |
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| fungi | and teh command-line flag to allow it only first appeared in pip 1.5, same release which needs it, so if we want it to be able to run on <1.5 we need to pass it as an envvar instead | 19:34 |
| mordred | no more so that it would have before | 19:34 |
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| mordred | I do not think we care about being able to run run-mirror on pip <1.5 | 19:34 |
| * mordred strongly does not care | 19:34 | |
| fungi | mordred: well, that puts us in a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation while transitioning, since we have pinned our slaves to older virtualenv | 19:35 |
| mordred | hrm. wait | 19:35 |
| mordred | why? | 19:35 |
| fungi | so we need it to work with virtualenv 1.10.1/pip 1.4.1 long enough to switch the mirror updater | 19:35 |
| mordred | run-mirror upgrades pip in the venv it creates as one of its first steps | 19:35 |
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| mordred | so the pip that comes with the venv should not matter | 19:36 |
| fungi | ahh, so we should already be failing this way on the mirror slaves the same way we're failing in the requirements integration jobs? | 19:36 |
| mordred | yup | 19:36 |
| mordred | run-mirror itself creates and operates inside of venvs to protect against bonghits | 19:36 |
| fungi | good to know. in that case maybe i just try the cli option and see how far it gets us on that existing patch | 19:36 |
| fungi | anyway, weeds | 19:37 |
| fungi | anybody have anything else on new pip goings on before i move to the next topic? | 19:37 |
| fungi | i'll link the tracking bug and etherpad... | 19:38 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267364 | 19:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1267364 in openstack-ci "Recurrent jenkins slave agent failures" [Critical,In progress] | 19:38 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:38 |
| fungi | er, wrong bug | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266513 | 19:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1266513 in tripleo "Some Python requirements are not hosted on PyPI" [Critical,In progress] | 19:39 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pip1.5Upgrade | 19:39 |
| fungi | #topic OpenID provider project (fungi, reed) | 19:40 |
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| mordred | mmm. openid | 19:40 |
| fungi | smarcet has been working on the php end of things for this and got some of the initial redis module written for puppet which it's using | 19:40 |
| reed | mordred, openid is yummy | 19:40 |
| fungi | my next phase of the deployment automation is awaiting review... | 19:41 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/63316 | 19:41 |
| fungi | i'm a bit swamped and it needs someone to take up the mantle of adding the project-specific deployment steps on top of that | 19:41 |
| reed | I will try to identify blockroads with smarcet and try to recruit a mentor for him that is not swamped | 19:42 |
| fungi | i have details from smarcet on what commands need to be run to deploy it | 19:42 |
| fungi | i just have been doing a horrible job of finding time to help with next steps | 19:42 |
| reed | if meanwhile we can merge 63316 that'd be great | 19:42 |
| reed | fungi, you've gone already above and beyond, thank you | 19:42 |
| fungi | looks like jeblair reviewed it on sunday, so i may just go ahead and merge that change so we can pick up some momentum | 19:43 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:43 |
| reed | #action reed to talk to smarcet and find a mentor to help him get through the CI learning curve faster | 19:43 |
| fungi | but definitely, anyone who finds this exciting is more than welcome to pitch in. i find it exciting, just very busy already | 19:44 |
| fungi | anyway, trying to get through the meeting agenda, so moving on... | 19:44 |
| fungi | #topic Graphite cleanup (fungi) | 19:44 |
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| fungi | the graphite server is spending a *lot* of time (an entire cpu pegged) in iowait | 19:45 |
| mordred | oh, well that's not great | 19:45 |
| fungi | the load is also seeming causing it to fail to generate and serve graphs | 19:45 |
| fungi | i think we probably need to look at a faster cinder volume for the whisper files (ssd backed media) | 19:45 |
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| fungi | it's also running out of disk space. the whisper files are fixed size, but we add more and more metrics (new job names, et cetera) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | i discussed with jeblair and he's on board with autodeleting any whisper files which haven't received an update in 2 weeks or maybe a month | 19:46 |
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| fungi | it needs someone to look into it, but i'll throw myself on the action item for now as a placeholder and just assume i won't get a chance to look at it between now and the next meeting | 19:47 |
| fungi | #action fungi move graphite whisper files to faster volume | 19:48 |
| fungi | #action fungi prune obsolete whisper files automatically on graphite server | 19:48 |
| fungi | probably best done in the opposite order, so there are fewer files to rsync | 19:49 |
| fungi | #topic Maven clouddoc plugin move (zaro, mordred) | 19:49 |
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| mordred | ugh. what did I do now? | 19:49 |
| zaro | so i don't think there's anything more to do on this. | 19:49 |
| fungi | i think your name is a historical artifact on there, mordred | 19:49 |
| zaro | looks like dcramer is doing the release manually | 19:49 |
| zaro | using the maven release plugin | 19:50 |
| fungi | i agreed to do the bits mentioned at the end of this review, but haven't found the time (maven nexus org setup stuff) | 19:50 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/46099 | 19:50 |
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| zaro | that one is not needed unless this one is approved.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58349 | 19:51 |
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| fungi | ahh, good to know | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #action fungi request org.openstack group in sonatype jira for maven nexus | 19:52 |
| fungi | i'll likely just defer that until 58349 gets traction in that case | 19:52 |
| fungi | thanks zaro! | 19:52 |
| zaro | right now dcramer is doing the releases manually bypassing what the openstack CI wants to do | 19:52 |
| fungi | #topic Private gerrit for security reviews (zaro, fungi) | 19:53 |
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| zaro | I'm guessing we can just ignore until ann or dcramer needs something. | 19:54 |
| fungi | pretty sure this has ended up on the back burner, since gerrit upgrades are worked further through | 19:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, I could probably help you with sonatype if you want, I have some groups there | 19:54 |
| zaro | private gerrit.. i think we should wait until after gerrit 2.8+ | 19:54 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: when that task wakes back up, i'll try to remember to ping you for suggestions. thanks!@ | 19:54 |
| zaro | almost there. | 19:54 |
| mordred | zaro: I completely agree- it seems bananas to add a gerrit that we'll need to upgrade | 19:54 |
| fungi | so that takes us to... | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Upgrade gerrit (zaro) | 19:55 |
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| mordred | upgrade upgrade!!! | 19:55 |
| zaro | well.. gerrit 2.8 is on review.o.o | 19:55 |
| fungi | and seems to be increasingly usable | 19:55 |
| zaro | just baking in i guess.. | 19:55 |
| mordred | you mean review-dev.o.o ? | 19:56 |
| zaro | i believe all questions have been answered on etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.8-upgrade | 19:56 |
| fungi | i think not enough of us have been around to test things we want to make sure didn't break on it | 19:56 |
| mordred | AaronGr: ^^ don't know if you've been tracking this one | 19:56 |
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| zaro | the next thing i was gonna do was to create a script to semi-automate the upgrade | 19:56 |
| fungi | what sort of schedule is google looking at for gerrit 2.9, any idea? | 19:57 |
| AaronGr | mordred: i haven't been, no. | 19:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | new review screen looks quite overloaded | 19:57 |
| zaro | the idea is to semi-automate 1st upgrade to 2.8 since it's a troublesome process. then automate 2.8 to next releases via puppet. | 19:57 |
| mordred | I think that's great | 19:57 |
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| fungi | apparently 2.9 is taking away the old review screen view entirely, so the sooner we prepare to make the new one usable (upstream patches, whatever) the better on that | 19:58 |
| zaro | SergeyLukjanov: not turned on in review-de.o.o | 19:58 |
| mordred | SergeyLukjanov: I think we're planning on having the old screen on by default to start with, yeah? | 19:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here is a topic about 2.9 release https://groups.google.com/d/topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko/discussion | 19:58 |
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| fungi | #link https://groups.google.com/d/topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko/discussion | 19:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, AFAIK it'll be removed in next gerrit releases and I saw a CR to enable new screen for review.o.o while upgrading gerrit | 19:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | zaro, I know, I've setup an instance for myself and was surprised :() | 19:59 |
| fungi | 2.9-rc0 early this week according to mfick | 19:59 |
| zaro | fungi: i believe google is targeting march for 2.9 release? | 19:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | due to the first message in https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko master will delete old change screen code | 20:00 |
| fungi | okay, we're over time | 20:00 |
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| fungi | need to get the tc meeting going | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks everybody! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 20:00:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-14-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-14-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-14-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | oh | 20:01 |
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| ttx | meeting | 20:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| * fungi is trying to pay attention at jeblair's request, since he's flying | 20:02 | |
| wenlock | hi here, trying to get familliar with more folks on config | 20:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | annegentle, mikal, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, lifeless, sdague : around ? | 20:02 |
| markmcclain1 | o/ | 20:02 |
| lifeless | hi | 20:02 |
| ttx | vishy and markmcclain there | 20:02 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | more than enough, let's start | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 20:02:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Paris Design Summit Scheduling | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-January/000475.html | 20:03 |
| ttx | In summary: Tue-Fri or Wed-Sat | 20:03 |
| ttx | lsell needs to get back to the hotel today, so last comments and thoughts welcome | 20:03 |
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| ttx | Felt like there was growing consensus on the ML about trying out the Wed-Sat option | 20:03 |
| ttx | With the possibility of trying a more relaxed format on the last day | 20:03 |
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| mordred | I could be swayed either way - but I like the idea of trying a new thing | 20:03 |
| mordred | I'll be there all of those days anyway | 20:03 |
| annegentle | she's lsell on IRC? :) | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | it's going to be a long week, but otoh it's going to be a long week in paris, so... | 20:04 |
| mordred | lsell: o hai | 20:04 |
| annegentle | I like the idea of trying a new thing, but I am doubtful is all | 20:04 |
| lsell | hi there | 20:04 |
| mordred | annegentle: there's wine there | 20:04 |
| markmc | does relaxed mean "includes wine"? | 20:04 |
| annegentle | mordred: makes me even more doubtful companies will send their writers :) | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | markmc: excellent idea | 20:04 |
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| ttx | yeah, I see drawbacks and benefits in both options, no strong opinion, so I'm ok to defer to those who expressed preference for wed-sat | 20:05 |
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| annegentle | ttx: I'm also okay with that, in the spirit of experimenting | 20:05 |
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| russellb | wed-sat is less overlap with the conf too, which i really like.. | 20:05 |
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| mordred | ++ | 20:05 |
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| russellb | that has been my biggest scheduling complaint | 20:06 |
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| markmcclain1 | same here.. I'm really interested to try this format | 20:06 |
| russellb | so, only 1 day of overlap sounds awesome | 20:06 |
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| ttx | with only 3 conference days and us overlapping only with one, we can be present, yes | 20:06 |
| russellb | yesss | 20:06 |
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| jbryce | we're going to expect some awesome technical presentations now though! | 20:06 |
| ttx | lsell: do you need more opinion ? sparkycollier also said he would prefer wed-sat | 20:07 |
| markmc | ouch, the catch | 20:07 |
| russellb | that's fair | 20:07 |
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| mordred | jbryce: I'll present all of the things | 20:07 |
| ttx | jbryce: if only the pissing contest^W^Wcommunity vote would pick them | 20:07 |
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| markmc | some panels of ATCs would be good | 20:07 |
| lsell | this is great, it's all i needed | 20:07 |
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| mordred | jbryce: give me a full day in my own room and 12 bottles of wine and I'll make you amazing presentations on things | 20:07 |
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| * russellb would attend | 20:08 | |
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| ttx | I can do a wine tasting session | 20:08 |
| russellb | assuming you're sharing the wine. | 20:08 |
| sparkycollier | only 12? | 20:08 |
| markmc | e.g. a "what's up with Neutron?" panel | 20:08 |
| mordred | russellb: byob - the 12 are just for me | 20:08 |
| markmcclain1 | markmc: +1 | 20:08 |
| lifeless | I'm so conflicted on the scheduling question | 20:08 |
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| russellb | lifeless: that's not allowed | 20:08 |
| jbryce | ttx: i would say we're open to exercising some editorial oversight to create some dedicated ATC tech presentation time | 20:08 |
| lsell | you guys better be careful, or we're going to send you to a dry county in east texas next time! | 20:09 |
| lifeless | lsell: definitely BYO territory then | 20:09 |
| mordred | lsell: I will bring my own Tito's to that countt | 20:09 |
| mordred | county | 20:09 |
| jbryce | lsell: is that dig aimed at my ranch? | 20:09 |
| sparkycollier | +1 for Tito's | 20:09 |
| mordred | jbryce: your ranch | 20:09 |
| mordred | jbryce: is in | 20:09 |
| mordred | jbryce: a DRY county??? | 20:09 |
| annegentle | lsell: LOL | 20:09 |
| russellb | we're having a meetup at your ranch? | 20:09 |
| * mordred o_O | 20:10 | |
| russellb | neat | 20:10 |
| annegentle | jbryce: kittehs!! | 20:10 |
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| ttx | we could have a design summit there, once they are separated from conference :) | 20:10 |
| jbryce | mordred: it is. but i'm well provisioned | 20:10 |
| mordred | jbryce: ok. that's a relief | 20:10 |
| ttx | ok, folks focus | 20:10 |
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| jbryce | mordred: alcohol and firearms | 20:10 |
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| ttx | lifeless: unless you can express your conflict with words, we can move on | 20:10 |
| russellb | sounds right for a ranch | 20:10 |
| annegentle | ttx: how much other input have we gotten so far? (lsell and jbryce too) | 20:10 |
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| ttx | annegentle: we have the feedback from last summit (in that planning session) | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: oh right | 20:11 |
| ttx | lsell: did you get anything useful from the survey on that front ? | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: so you're worried about getting travel budget for the doc team? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ttx: lsell: also what's the communication plan for the change? (thinking to frame it with " you asked for it you got it " | 20:12 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: always. There were only about 4 docs core members in HK | 20:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: will depend on how we organize the last day | 20:12 |
| lsell | we didn't have anything specific in the survey about staggering by one or two days. the most broad feedback we've gotten was from the design summit session | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: we should get more of them to request financial aid this time around | 20:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: more cross-project ? more workshopy ? more unconference-style ? | 20:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: or business as usual | 20:13 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: agreed. Oddly many docs members are in APAC already | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: not a perfect solution, but that's why it's there | 20:13 |
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| ttx | lsell: is the move to 3-day conference a permanent one ? | 20:13 |
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| ttx | (compared to 4 days in HK/Atlanta/etc | 20:13 |
| ttx | ) | 20:14 |
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| lsell | definitely not permanent | 20:14 |
| lsell | but again a trial, and the first summit in europe | 20:14 |
| ttx | ok | 20:14 |
| ttx | experimenting++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | anything else on that before we move on ? | 20:14 |
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| ttx | #topic Mid-cycle incubation status review: Ironic | 20:15 |
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| lsell | thank you for the feedback, we're going to move forward with weds - sat at the le meridien | 20:15 |
| ttx | The idea here is to check the current state of the project w/ the graduation requirements | 20:15 |
| markmc | lsell, thanks! | 20:15 |
| ttx | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements#n56 | 20:15 |
| devananda | hi! | 20:15 |
| ttx | devananda: I think you have an etherpad handy | 20:16 |
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| devananda | yep | 20:16 |
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| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion | 20:16 |
| devananda | I copied the reference above and added some notes yesterday | 20:16 |
| ttx | digesting | 20:17 |
| markmc | devananda, how confident are you it'll be a working replacement for nova-bm by release? | 20:17 |
| markmc | (nice work btw, it's definitely coming along nicely in the past few months) | 20:17 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:18 |
| devananda | markmc: I'm not goign to say that I'm 100% confident until we have actually done that within tripleo | 20:18 |
| mordred | I'm super exicted about the progress, not only technically, but on dev community | 20:18 |
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| russellb | my impression is that in general, things are all headed in the right direction | 20:18 |
| devananda | markmc: I'm fairly and reasonably confident. all the moving bits have come together,a nd we're getting bugs ironed out in the deploy process now() | 20:18 |
| russellb | and it's just the big question of, is it ready to deprecate nova-bm in time | 20:19 |
| ttx | devananda: As far as release management goes, we still haven't done any coordinated milestone | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | mordred: +1 | 20:19 |
| ttx | we need to do taht for i2 | 20:19 |
| mordred | russellb: +1 | 20:19 |
| ttx | (even if the resulting tarball is not really usable) | 20:19 |
| devananda | russellb: exactly | 20:19 |
| devananda | russellb: there are moer things to that than just "does it work", too | 20:19 |
| devananda | ttx: great. let's do that for I2? | 20:19 |
| markmc | ok, risk mitigation question - say we graduate ironic now and it's not a viable replacement in time for icehouse? | 20:20 |
| ttx | devananda: ack | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | russellb, devananda : do you see being in complete parity with nova-bm a pre-req for graduation? | 20:20 |
| ttx | devananda: how usable will the i2 milestone be ? | 20:20 |
| ttx | i.e. will it be more than a process-exercise ? | 20:20 |
| devananda | ttx: current code can control the power state, but deploy isn't quite working yet | 20:20 |
| markmc | do we include it in icehouse anyway? (temporarily) de-graduate ironic? say it's still graduated, but not included in the release? | 20:20 |
| annegentle | devananda: also how documented are you currently and do you have a doc plan (You might and I may have missed it... | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | markmc: we aren't deciding on graduation now, right? we only do that at release boundaries, don't we? | 20:20 |
| markmc | ah, right | 20:20 |
| markmc | sorry | 20:20 |
| ttx | markmc: it's not graduated in icehouse | 20:20 |
| russellb | I'd like to see parity, yes | 20:20 |
| devananda | ttx: and the nova "ironic" driver is still fairly early. most of the code is there, but not unit tests, and it hasn't been reviewed by Nova team yet | 20:21 |
| markmc | my bad | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | yeah, this is just a checkup to avoid surprises later | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | devananda: did you say "power state works" "deploy doesn't" ? | 20:21 |
| devananda | ttx: as a stand-alone project, it's not quite that useful in I2, mostly because we're still tying all the deploy bits together | 20:21 |
| devananda | jgriffith: at the moment, yes. see ^ | 20:21 |
| ttx | markmc: I still want it to be usable as a nova-bm replacement before graduating | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | russellb: ok, so if parity isn't reached before the icehouse release, we would not graduate ironic (or you'd prefer that we not) and revisit it during juno? | 20:21 |
| markmc | ttx, agree | 20:21 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: weren't we considering ironic for a fast-tract graduation because of the nova-bm deprecation question? | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | devananda: yeah.. caught it as typing :) thanks | 20:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 20:22 |
| markmc | ttx, other than that, looks very much on track | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | I think graduation is irrelevant at the moment | 20:22 |
| mordred | k | 20:22 |
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| russellb | dhellmann: yes, i'd like to see parity before it graduates | 20:22 |
| devananda | annegentle: API is doc'd. we have a CLI with --help. there are some dev docs. but no deployer docs today | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | russellb: ok, I sort of like that | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | seems like everythings on track and going the right way, but if it's not ready it's not ready | 20:22 |
| markmc | jgriffith, I guess mid-cycle review is "what you still need to do to graduate" feedback | 20:22 |
| russellb | i guess we could graduate but not deprecate nova-bm yet, but that seems silly | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | markmc: yeah... like "deploy" | 20:22 |
| devananda | dhellmann: I'm aiming for complete parity. and I think we can achieve that. | 20:23 |
| ttx | So... "Project must be part of the integrated gate" | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | seems like a simple discussion to me | 20:23 |
| annegentle | devananda: and do you expect mostly your audience is deployers? | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | devananda: cool | 20:23 |
| ttx | devananda: you answer "AFAIK, this is not allowed until *after* graduation" | 20:23 |
| annegentle | devananda: or is there another person you'd target for docs | 20:23 |
| devananda | annegentle: yes. we need to explicitly say "DO NOT use this for baremetal-as-a-service" and "DO NOT expose ironic to end-users" | 20:23 |
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| devananda | annegentle: for now (and the forseeable future), the users of ironic are folks who already have DC-level access. deployers, basically | 20:24 |
| ttx | I think tere is some misunderstanding around "Project must be part of the integrated gate" | 20:24 |
| annegentle | devananda: got it, thanks, very helpful. | 20:24 |
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| fungi | i think there has been some confusion between what it means to gate on the official projects (asymetrically, risking being broken by them at any time) and having the official projects gate on not-yet-graduated projects | 20:24 |
| devananda | annegentle: security concerns around putting untrusted tenants on bare metal are, wel.... it's just a terrible idea :) | 20:24 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:25 |
| fungi | getting the gating requirement clarified in the questionnaire would be great | 20:25 |
| lifeless | devananda: it's a brilliant *idea*. As long as it stays an idea. | 20:25 |
| devananda | fungi: ++ | 20:25 |
| ttx | I think the idea is to be ready to be part of the gate at the flip of a switch | 20:25 |
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| markmc | devananda, unless you're in the business of giving trusted users baremetal machines anyway - an API for that is still useful to some people | 20:25 |
| mordred | markmc: ++ | 20:25 |
| devananda | lifeless: heh. sure - if not for the current security issue, it would be a good idea :) | 20:25 |
| fungi | that's been my interpretation so far, just making sure it's teh party line | 20:25 |
| mordred | I think that 'end-users' aren't always as untrusted as they are for public clouds | 20:26 |
| ttx | fungi: I think that's what sean means | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | so, what does "flip of the switch" mean? tempest tests? | 20:26 |
| devananda | markmc: fair. but those users will stil use Nova to get them. | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | (living somewhere other than in tempest, I guess?) | 20:26 |
| markmc | devananda, yep | 20:26 |
| mordred | for private clouds, it may be fine. also, there are clearly people who offer bare metal hosting currently- and the same security concerns exist there | 20:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: potentially, non-voting jobs | 20:26 |
| russellb | gate job running for ironic, but ready to be enabled for everyone when ready? | 20:26 |
| mordred | devananda: yup | 20:26 |
| ttx | that's why I want clarification here | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: makes sense | 20:26 |
| devananda | markmc: so as far as who uses Ironic's API, i dont see those trusted end-users as our audience | 20:26 |
| russellb | or non-voting i suppose | 20:26 |
| mordred | devananda: yah | 20:27 |
| fungi | dhellmann: project has tempest tests et cetera in its own gate pipeline and potentially in other projects experimental pipeline or as non-voting check jobs | 20:27 |
| ttx | but sdague is not here today | 20:27 |
| russellb | will tempest accept tests for an incubated project? | 20:27 |
| lifeless | I believe so | 20:27 |
| ttx | #action sdague to clarify "Project must be part of the integrated gate" as a graduation requirement | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | russellb: no, we've established that before | 20:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | russellb, it already accepts | 20:27 |
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| devananda | fungi: i understand a bit better the way to set up asymmetric / it-votes-here-but-not-there jobs now. clarkb and I sat down at LCA and added that for our tempest API tests | 20:27 |
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| * dhellmann is confused | 20:27 | |
| lifeless | dhellmann: I remember it differently... | 20:27 |
| * mordred had an idea of how to do tempest tests as plugins the other day, btw | 20:28 | |
| russellb | dhellmann: well i knew they wouldn't accept pre-incubated project tests (stackforge stuff) | 20:28 |
| * mordred should code that up | 20:28 | |
| lifeless | dhellmann: I remember that not incubated - no way; incubated - yes, because integrated implies the tests exist . | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | aha, maybe that's what I'm confusing | 20:28 |
| devananda | russellb: we have tests in tempest already | 20:28 |
| russellb | ah, coo | 20:28 |
| russellb | l | 20:28 |
| devananda | russellb: they're experimental | 20:28 |
| lifeless | mordred: the issue with tempest and external tests isn't technical. | 20:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | russellb, the same with savanna | 20:28 |
| devananda | russellb: and a patch is up to put them in the check&gate as non-voting | 20:28 |
| russellb | neat. | 20:28 |
| lifeless | mordred: so I think you should check with sdague before doing that, as you may just make him a sad panda | 20:28 |
| lifeless | mordred: the issue is that tempest doesn't want to offer an externally consumed API | 20:29 |
| russellb | i think some sort of plugin support, or just a tempest public API for writing out of tree tests is sorely needed | 20:29 |
| devananda | russellb: also, fwiw, it's API integration tests. to be clear, we don't have functional tests YET but are working on it. shouldn't be long before a review is up | 20:29 |
| mordred | lifeless: I wasn't expecting it to | 20:29 |
| mordred | but yes to russellb | 20:29 |
| lifeless | mordred: that would be the defacto consequence of any out-of-tree tests built on top of tempest though | 20:29 |
| lifeless | FWIW I'm also in favor of tempest offering an externally consumed API | 20:30 |
| lifeless | just proxying my recollection of sdague's concerns | 20:30 |
| mordred | lifeless: let me write a patch and show you what I'm thinking - I may be letting myself get hung up on the word API here | 20:30 |
| fungi | mordred: lifeless: in fact we had the same issue arise for devstack-gate hooks (and broke some of them through a refactor because we got rid of variables some of them had decided to use) | 20:30 |
| lifeless | mordred: sure | 20:30 |
| ttx | OK, so in summary: looks good so far, main blocker is feature parity with nova-bm, need to clarify the "Project must be part of the integrated gate" requirement | 20:30 |
| ttx | anything I missed ? | 20:30 |
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| devananda | question for annegentle - what do you think we'll need doc-wise? | 20:31 |
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| ttx | #info ironic incubation looks good so far. Main blcoker to graduation is feature parity with nova-bm. Clarification requested on the integrated gate requirement | 20:31 |
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| mikal | Morning, sorry slept in (jet lag) | 20:32 |
| annegentle | devananda: thinking... I think API docs are a requirement for getting out of incubation, but not necessarily deployer docs yet | 20:32 |
| devananda | annegentle: great! we have those, and they're autobuilt | 20:33 |
| devananda | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html | 20:33 |
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| annegentle | devananda: and I'm trying to see the fit into the rest of the doc titles we have today, and install and config docs are where you'd fit in. | 20:33 |
| ttx | Can we move on to Marconi or Savanna ? Anything else on Ironic ? | 20:33 |
| annegentle | sure, I'm good | 20:33 |
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| devananda | all set here. I'll follow up with annegentle later | 20:33 |
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| devananda | thanks! | 20:33 |
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| ttx | I don't see kgriffs around, shall we do savanna first | 20:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 20:35 |
| ttx | #topic Mid-cycle incubation status review: Savanna | 20:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hi all | 20:35 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: do you have a fancy etherpad too ? | 20:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've missed the idea of making the etherpad like devananda make, but I've prepared some right now | 20:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the main questions was Heat usage instead of direct provisioning and clustering | 20:36 |
| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, kinda simple question sorry - is Heat based provisioning the default now? | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we've already implemented support of using Heat for orchestration | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's not default atm, we're working on fixing some bugs and implementing minor features | 20:37 |
| markmc | you're planning on it being the default in icehouse, though? | 20:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're planning to deprecate current code later in Icehouse or early J release | 20:37 |
| markmc | ok | 20:37 |
| markmc | thanks | 20:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sure, thanks for catching | 20:37 |
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| ttx | As far as release management goes, we did icehouse-1 in coordination already | 20:38 |
| ttx | There is still a bit of uncertainty on the deliverables side | 20:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw as for the clustering topic, it was discussed on summit and we decided that there is nothing to do atm | 20:38 |
| ttx | i.e. savanna-extras etc. as part of "savanna release" or not | 20:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, it's a good question, we're still working with Hadoop folks in moving out Hadoop releated code | 20:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we currently have some EDP examples in it | 20:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I still thinking about soft releases for this repo | 20:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | for the i1 I've tagged this with i1 just to be consistent and help users find corresponding things | 20:40 |
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| ttx | yeah | 20:41 |
| ttx | we'll revisit as we go | 20:41 |
| ttx | "large and diverse team of contributors" | 20:41 |
| ttx | that's 26 contributors so far | 20:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have a lot of new contributors since the incubation status | 20:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and as you can see in mailing list one more upcoming plugin for Spark support | 20:42 |
| ttx | http://www.stackalytics.com/?release=icehouse&metric=commits&project_type=openstack&module=savanna-group&company=&user_id= | 20:42 |
| ttx | That 65% figure is a bit worrying to me | 20:43 |
| ttx | I don't see a significant community uptake after incubation | 20:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, there are about 20 commits from me about hacking setup.py/tox I think | 20:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, and commit not always shows the real efforts | 20:43 |
| markmc | ttx, the pie chart by contributor is fairly reassuring though | 20:44 |
| ttx | right, maybe i'm the only one worried here :) | 20:44 |
| mordred | SergeyLukjanov: ++ on "commit not always shows the real efforts" | 20:45 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: the curve does drop off pretty steeply after the first few companies | 20:45 |
| jgriffith | ttx: seems like a valid point, but explanation by SergeyLukjanov makes sense as well | 20:45 |
| * mordred looks at his status on top of the commit lists for openstack last cycle, and wonders what real work he did | 20:45 | |
| russellb | indeed, top 2 people are separate companies on the individuals one | 20:45 |
| ttx | beyong numbers, my point is I haven't seen a lot of companies dive in Savanna tha way they jumped on Heat or Ironic | 20:46 |
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| ttx | Is that lack of interest ? | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | is that because it's more of a niche service? | 20:46 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: probably | 20:46 |
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| ttx | just wondering how (and if) we should fix that | 20:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've agreed with dhellmann | 20:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: you wrote bots that did commits | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | in that case, it might always be smaller -- right | 20:47 |
| mordred | lifeless: if only that was the case | 20:47 |
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| * mordred agrees with dhellmann | 20:48 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | there are some customers and interested but currently not public yet | 20:48 |
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| ttx | anyway, part from that, Savanna has been the most engaged incubated project as far as release management goes | 20:48 |
| ttx | and I heard similar reports from other horizontal teams | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | SergeyLukjanov: the main concern about contributors is dealing with maintaining the project if some of the current members leave the team for some reason, not whether customers are interested in using it. | 20:49 |
| ttx | so great job here | 20:49 |
| ttx | any other comment ? | 20:49 |
| annegentle | none here | 20:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dhellmann, I think that it's not depend on at least one person now | 20:50 |
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| ttx | #info Savanna is in good shape too, some concerns about lack of diversity in contributors but might be a reflection of a niche project | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | SergeyLukjanov: good! :-) | 20:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dhellmann, it's now much more better that 3 month ago ;) | 20:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw, I'll complete the etherpad with comments and send it to mailing list | 20:51 |
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| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: that will be useful, thx | 20:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'd like to join concerns about being part of integrated gate | 20:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it sounds like chicken/egg problem | 20:52 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: we'll get that clarified | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague had a pretty precise idea here and I don't want to wrongly express it | 20:52 |
| ttx | At this point in meeting let's cover the minor changes real quick and see how much time we have left | 20:52 |
| ttx | #topic Minor governance changes | 20:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Minor governance changes (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:53 | |
| ttx | Program/project mapping (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65096) is almost there | 20:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx! | 20:53 |
| ttx | Two open questions about this one | 20:53 |
| ttx | Should openstack/requirements be in RekMgt, Infra or a true orphan (like openstack/governance) | 20:53 |
| markmc | ttx, did we miss Marconi ? | 20:53 |
| ttx | markmc: no, but likely will cover next week | 20:53 |
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| markmc | ttx, ok, thanks | 20:54 |
| ttx | I think it makes sense to put it in the same box as openstack/governance (the TC box) | 20:54 |
| annegentle | ttx: one question I had from talking to people is... let me remember... | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Does that work for everyone ? | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | ttx: makes sense to me | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | ttx: by "the same box" do you mean call it an orphan? | 20:54 |
| annegentle | ah. Ok. Remembered. When you are ready. | 20:54 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, wfm | 20:55 |
| ttx | Second question was should tuskar-ui move from TripleO to Dashboard program | 20:55 |
| ttx | IMHO it should not -- as long as it's separate from Horizon it should stay in its parent program, no ? | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | are they planning to merge it into horizon at some point later? when they're integrated? | 20:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I guess yes | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | or is the horizon team supporting add-ons explicitly? | 20:56 |
| ttx | I think it boils down to which team works on it | 20:56 |
| ttx | is it tuskar/tripleO folks, or horizon team | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it seems like it should stay with tripleo for now | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | ttx: there has been discussion to move it into the dashboard program because the code design/review doesn't align very well with tripleo | 20:56 |
| ttx | lifeless: ? | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | lifeless and I have been working in that direction | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | david-lyle: is the horizon team willing to own it? | 20:56 |
| ttx | yes, that's the key question | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | yes, but it will remain a separate repo until out of incubation | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | basically, either seems fine, but we can't just dump it on them :-) | 20:57 |
| markmc | ttx, it's been a fairly specialized team within tripleo who have more overlap with the horizon team | 20:57 |
| markmc | ttx, that's my read, at least | 20:57 |
| ttx | I mean, if both tripleo and horizon agree on that, I'm fine | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:57 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:57 |
| ttx | just checking with lifeless it's fine by him | 20:57 |
| ttx | OK, will push a new change that moves openstack/requirements out of RelMgt and tuskar-ui in "Dashboard" | 20:57 |
| ttx | Governance docs publication (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61380/) | 20:58 |
| markmc | lifeless was pushing for this AFAICS | 20:58 |
| ttx | This one just needs one more +1 to get in | 20:58 |
| ttx | Do not require team diversity at incubation time (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65471/) | 20:58 |
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| ttx | This one just needs one more +1 to get in | 20:58 |
| ttx | Mention scope expansion in incubation requirements (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62612/) | 20:58 |
| ttx | This one we buried at last week meeting but it was raised from the dead by markmc | 20:58 |
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| ttx | markmc: I suspect you think it's still warranted ? | 20:58 |
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| ttx | markmc: did you read last week log about it ? | 20:59 |
| markmc | sorry, missed last weeks meeting | 20:59 |
| markmc | I just saw it got auto-abandoned, so fixed up the comments | 20:59 |
| lifeless | ttx: sorry yes | 20:59 |
| lifeless | ttx: as david-lyle says | 20:59 |
| ttx | lifeless: will make it happen | 20:59 |
| markmc | ttx, I can go back and read the logs | 20:59 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, happy to discuss it if you still want to revive it after that | 20:59 |
| lifeless | ttx: oh, thanks! | 20:59 |
| ttx | next week | 20:59 |
| lifeless | I have to run, sorry | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 21:00 | |
| ttx | last minute - Anything else, anyone ? | 21:00 |
| lifeless | I won't be here for the next meeting | 21:00 |
| ttx | we'll cover Marconi Mid-cycle incubation status review and 3rd party testing next week | 21:00 |
| mikal | Did we decide what we're doing about third party CI? | 21:00 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:00 |
| ttx | not enough time | 21:00 |
| mikal | Noting that Neutron has a deadline for third party CI near there | 21:00 |
| mikal | Which is why is blowing up at the moment | 21:00 |
| mikal | s/is/it is/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | I'm sure we can negociate around that | 21:01 |
| * mordred just assumes mikal will solve it | 21:01 | |
| anteaya | mikal is trying | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 21:01:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| mikal | anteaya has been doing a good job, but its been pretty painful for he | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.txt | 21:01 |
| mikal | her | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ? | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:02 |
| * anteaya has to jet to buy power strips for code sprint | 21:02 | |
| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | oH. power strips | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:02 |
| anteaya | :D | 21:02 |
| markmc | hey | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 21:02:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Icehouse-2 / 1.12.0 progress | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Icehouse-2 / 1.12.0 progress (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:03 | |
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| ttx | We've been looking at progress during the 1:1s | 21:03 |
| hub_cap | hey | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Most projects are behind and need to defer a lot of things | 21:03 |
| dolphm | (o/) | 21:03 |
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| ttx | At first glance I'd say some combination of holidays + slow gating affected our velocity | 21:03 |
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| ttx | We'll definitely need to go through some analysis and then reality checks as we plan the i-3 contents | 21:03 |
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| * markmcclain2 is on flaky connection | 21:03 | |
| ttx | Anyway, this week if you're aware of some i2-targeted blueprint that won't make it, just defer it | 21:04 |
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| ttx | That will help convey the right information to people who consume that roadmap information | 21:04 |
| stevebaker | ttx: can you confirm the i-2 dates? | 21:04 |
| ttx | And also let you focus review resources on stuff that's likely to make it | 21:04 |
| ttx | stevebaker: sure. We'll cut branches by EOD on Tuesday | 21:04 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 21:04 |
| ttx | I'll be in UT by then | 21:04 |
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| ttx | so EOD migth actually mean EOD in mountain time | 21:05 |
| russellb | ski trip? | 21:05 |
| ttx | foundation team thing | 21:05 |
| russellb | "meeting" | 21:05 |
| ttx | "thing" | 21:05 |
| ttx | stevebaker, hub_cap: got enough time to clean up your i-2 pages ? | 21:05 |
| jgriffith | party | 21:05 |
| stevebaker | ttx: making good progress | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | ttx i did a bit of cleaning w/o asking people :) | 21:06 |
| * ttx checks out | 21:06 | |
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| ttx | hub_cap: looks good | 21:06 |
| ttx | stevebaker: wash, rinse, repeat :) | 21:06 |
| stevebaker | yup :) | 21:07 |
| ttx | Other questions about upcoming milestone ? | 21:07 |
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| devananda | ttx: none here. I'll bump a few BP this week | 21:07 |
| ttx | #topic Log config option (dhellmann) | 21:08 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024205.html | 21:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: care to introduce the topic ? | 21:08 |
| dolphm | l7 ulop;['] | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | log translations are coming back, and this ML thread is about a config option to turn on a second log using a non-default locale | 21:08 |
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| dhellmann | I would prefer that we not add this option, because I think it's not going to be used much. | 21:08 |
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| dhellmann | Before I just veto it, I wanted to see if any other projects were expecting to have this feature easily enabled, vs. using the logging.conf setup file | 21:09 |
| stevebaker | We've started getting reviews which have _(...) log messages. I'd like to know if there is a policy on i18n logging | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | yes! | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | _() is fine for now | 21:09 |
| stevebaker | ok | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | we are going to be landing patches to support different domains for different log levels | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | the translators asked for that, and we may just make i2 | 21:10 |
| markmc | IMO, we shouldn't be translating log messages until we can put them in a separate translation domain | 21:10 |
| markmc | and logs in multiple languages seems a bit bong | 21:10 |
| jgriffith | markmc: +1 | 21:10 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, cool on different domains | 21:11 |
| markmc | dhellmann, hadn't seen that | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65518/ | 21:11 |
| dolphm | most of keystone's log messages go through _() | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65519/ | 21:11 |
| devananda | all of ironic's go through _(), fwiw. we rejected a patch from oslo a few weeks ago because it didn't | 21:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: sounds liek corner use case to me, if possible through logging.conf that sounds like good enough | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | dolphm: _() will be reserved for exceptions and other non-log content in the future, with _LE, _LD, etc. used for log messages | 21:11 |
| markmc | ok, so _LD(), _LI() etc. instead of just _L() | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | I still need to make the changes in -infra to extract the catalogs separately | 21:12 |
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| dhellmann | but I need a project with the things intact to test that, so chicken-and-egg meet CI | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm not hearing any support for this new option, so I'll just nix it and propose the sample config file | 21:13 |
| dolphm | markmc: dhellmann: is there some doc / wiki i can refer to on best practices there? | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | dolphm: still on my todo list | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I'll be making an announcement on the ML when it's ready to be used | 21:13 |
| dolphm | dhellmann: cool | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I'm ready to move on unless anyone has anything else on this | 21:14 |
| * jd__ votes for logging.conf | 21:14 | |
| ttx | +1 | 21:14 |
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| ttx | #topic Oslo update improvements (dhellmann) | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo update improvements (dhellmann) (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:15 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: damn, you again | 21:15 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024176.html | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | yes, I've gone months without raising any issues at all :-) | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | this one is about making update.py really smart, or just getting on with the business of making libraries | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | ttx heh | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | basically, figuring out the right hash starting point for an update.py that knows how to provide nice detailed log messages is super hard, and I'd just rather do the work to make libs | 21:16 |
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| dhellmann | BUT that means we need everyone to be patient with merges coming from oslo having maybe not the level of detail they would like for a little while longer | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | what sort of compromise can we strike? | 21:16 |
| russellb | what requires merges without detail? | 21:16 |
| ttx | dhellmann: Do you think there will be less and less things in oslo-incubator ? Or more and more ? | 21:17 |
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| dhellmann | russellb: well, we may not have every hash of every commit listed in the message as it goes into nova, for example | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would like to reduce its size, and keep it small | 21:17 |
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| jd__ | git submodule anyone ? :) | 21:17 |
| ttx | are we getting better at not copying code around ? | 21:17 |
| ttx | jd__: out | 21:18 |
| * jd__ had to try | 21:18 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: I get lots of queries about adding things to the incubator, but I'm not watching what goes on between projects behind closed doors, as it were | 21:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: there is some value in improving update.py if it will be around forever | 21:18 |
| jd__ | I think having the top commit is enough, doing more is going to be a waste of time | 21:18 |
| markmc | dhellmann, I still think adding the git has of the incubator commit to each file doesn't seem too hard | 21:18 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, but I haven't hacked it up either :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | but then I haven't felt that much pain with the current update.py either | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | markmc: updating the hash is not hard, it's figuring out the initial value | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | markmc: and dealing with merges that only copy some of the modules, essentially skipping commits | 21:19 |
| markmc | dhellmann, that's why I say each file - not openstack-common.conf | 21:19 |
| russellb | just knowing what we're updating to seems valuable? "update the following modules to commit foo" | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | this may actually be an argument for mordred's idea of splitting the incubator up | 21:19 |
| mordred | woot! | 21:20 |
| * mordred reads | 21:20 | |
| dhellmann | russellb: that part we could probably do | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah, come back with code :-) | 21:20 |
| markmc | dhellmann, fair :) | 21:20 |
| * mordred supports | 21:20 | |
| dhellmann | markmc: we should discuss details offline | 21:20 |
| markmc | dhellmann, I'm pretty easy, honestly - if we did syncs more regularly then syncing everything wouldn't be such a big deal | 21:21 |
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| dhellmann | I was hoping for some level of agreement that we'd be OK with good attempts, would take merges from oslo into other projects more often to stay in sync | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah, I'm worried about the "I'm syncing this one module" patches I saw when I looked at open reviews | 21:22 |
| russellb | i'm fine with taking merges ... i don't think a decent commit message is much to ask for either | 21:22 |
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| russellb | at least just list the head you're syncing to if nothing else ... | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | russellb: ok, that would be easy to do and not involve any tool changes | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | we can totally do that | 21:22 |
| markmc | dhellmann, actually, bleh - one-at-a-time syncs are pretty important when there are API changes | 21:23 |
| markmc | dhellmann, you want the person familiar with the API change (ideally) to port the code | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | markmc: sure | 21:23 |
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| dhellmann | the problem isn't doing those copies, or doing the bulk merges, it's doing both and trying to auto-generate sensible log messages for each | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | or either | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | anyway, I think russellb's proposal is good, and if someone has ideas for better tooling we can talk about it after the meeting | 21:24 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:24 |
| ttx | next topic ? | 21:24 |
| ttx | #topic Gate stability: top targets (russellb) | 21:25 |
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| russellb | ok, this has come up the last few meetings | 21:25 |
| russellb | so i figured i'd take a turn putting it on the agenda, heh | 21:25 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024052.html | 21:25 |
| russellb | a few of us took a deep dive into failures last week | 21:25 |
| russellb | the vast majority of failures were simply due to load put on the deployment being too high | 21:26 |
| russellb | so ... yeah. | 21:26 |
| russellb | that email goes into a lot more detail | 21:26 |
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| russellb | short term: turn down the load | 21:26 |
| russellb | long term: improve performance | 21:26 |
| ttx | fwiw the current status is more due to the outage we had during the night / europe morning that built a backlog, things were running rather smoothly before that | 21:26 |
| russellb | and things should be *much* better | 21:26 |
| russellb | we've already started landing multiple patches related to improving nova performance | 21:26 |
| russellb | with more already up for review and in progress | 21:27 |
| russellb | the change that's going to make the biggest impact short term is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66379/ | 21:27 |
| russellb | change that isn't merged yet that is | 21:27 |
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| russellb | that's the wrong one ... i meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65805/ | 21:28 |
| russellb | so anyway, just wanted to share some status on that. | 21:28 |
| ttx | fungi: did we get to the bottom cause on this morning's issue ? Some cloud provider fail ? | 21:28 |
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| ttx | those cloud things can't be relied on | 21:28 |
| fungi | ttx: bug 1269001 | 21:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1269001 in nodepool "Nodepool stops building any new nodes when one provider is down" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1269001 | 21:28 |
| markmc | russellb, very nicely done | 21:28 |
| ttx | russellb: yep, that really made a difference already | 21:29 |
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| russellb | markmc: thanks | 21:29 |
| fungi | ttx: it was unexpected outcome from the tripleo pioc cloud going down to be replaced by the production cloud | 21:29 |
| fungi | s/pioc/poc/ | 21:29 |
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| ttx | we should have some "I saved the gate" T-shirts to send to people | 21:29 |
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| markmc | fungi, wow, fun :) | 21:30 |
| fungi | ttx: i want an "i broke the gate" tee shirt | 21:30 |
| russellb | we'd have to print a whole lot of "i broke the gate" shirts | 21:31 |
| fungi | bulk discount | 21:31 |
| ttx | send them to some of our upstreams to, as a community relation exercise | 21:31 |
| russellb | nice | 21:31 |
| hub_cap | i vote gate assassin | 21:31 |
| dolphm | how about "i fought the gate, and the gate won" | 21:31 |
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| ttx | ok, I think all that means, next topic | 21:32 |
| * dhellmann is sensing a theme building for the summit t-shirt for juno | 21:32 | |
| russellb | RIP Jeckyll | 21:32 |
| ttx | <<Would you like a "I broke the gate" "I fought the gate" or "I fixed the gate" T-shirt ?>> | 21:32 |
| ttx | #topic Red Flag District / Blocked blueprints | 21:32 |
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| * markmcclain2 still wants to actually find/drive through juno, ga | 21:33 | |
| ttx | I want a "Jekyll was murdered" T-shirt | 21:33 |
| ttx | We have two blocked blueprints to discuss | 21:33 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/keystone-v3-only | 21:33 |
| ttx | blocked on keystone review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66447/ | 21:33 |
| ttx | stevebaker, dolphm ? | 21:33 |
| stevebaker | the review has only just been posted, so blocked may be overstating it | 21:34 |
| ttx | let's say.. attention needed | 21:34 |
| dolphm | on the keystone side, there's a sequence of three patches that was just proposed yesterday -- skimming through the commit messages, i don't expect them to take too long to land | 21:34 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, just prio them up as they are blocking more than just you :) | 21:35 |
| dolphm | ++ | 21:35 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/user-locale-api | 21:35 |
| ttx | blocked on oslo reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/i18n-messages,n,z | 21:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm ? | 21:35 |
| dolphm | i don't think we're blocked anymore! | 21:35 |
| ttx | one of those having a -2 | 21:35 |
| ttx | dolphm: damn | 21:35 |
| dolphm | there's an outstanding patch on the oslo bp, but it doesn't look critical to keystone, so i think we can proceed | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | the -2 is the config option we just discussed | 21:35 |
| ttx | cool, plenty of time to discuss incubated projects i-2 | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | and the other item shouldn't be a blocker downstream except when that one locale is used | 21:36 |
| ttx | dolphm: awesome | 21:36 |
| ttx | dhellmann: sorry about that | 21:36 |
| ttx | Any other blocked work that this meeting could help unblock ? | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | ttx: np, dolphm and I discussed it earlier | 21:36 |
| dolphm | dhellmann: i should have mentioned it to ttx ahead of this meeting :-/ | 21:37 |
| ttx | I guess everything is smooth and on track then | 21:37 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:37 |
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| ttx | yay, plenty of time to look after our incubated friends | 21:38 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, devananda: still around ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | kgriffs: what about you | 21:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, I'm here | 21:38 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | o/ for marconi (in cases kgriffs doesn't show up) | 21:39 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: 4 open blueprints, looks like you can complete them in time for i2 | 21:39 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: the bug list could use some more assignees | 21:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, everything looks ok IMO, I'm going to release new version of client that block one of them | 21:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yup, bug list looks kind overloaded atm | 21:40 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 21:40 |
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| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: just refine it as you get closer to the milestone | 21:40 |
| ttx | only adding bugs with some assignee is generally a good idea | 21:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I'm planning to make bug fix day to make a cleanup of confirmed/triaged bugs | 21:41 |
| ttx | otherwise looks good | 21:41 |
| ttx | ok, quick look at Marconi | 21:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, most of the open bugs are <= medium | 21:41 |
| ttx | kgriffs, flaper87: we didn't have time to discuss incubation status at the TC meeting, so it will be next week | 21:41 |
| kgriffs | oic | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | ttx: kk | 21:41 |
| ttx | (was the hour before) | 21:42 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:42 |
| ttx | plan looks good and in good shape | 21:42 |
| ttx | are we still planning to publish a tarball for i-2 ? | 21:42 |
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| kgriffs | yes | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | yes | 21:42 |
| kgriffs | so, mostly we have bugs to finish up over the next 7 days | 21:42 |
| ttx | ok. So the branch is generally cut at the end of the Tuesday | 21:42 |
| ttx | then you can still ahve a few bugfixes in | 21:43 |
| ttx | (proposed as backports) | 21:43 |
| kgriffs | makes sense | 21:43 |
| ttx | but most things should be baked by Tuesday evening | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | cool, sounds good | 21:43 |
| ttx | backports are generally for show stoppers you detect in the proposed build | 21:43 |
| ttx | your page looks good, congrats | 21:44 |
| ttx | NobodyCam: around? | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | ttx: thanks | 21:44 |
| NobodyCam | si | 21:44 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: should also | 21:44 |
| devananda | ttx: yep, here | 21:44 |
| ttx | devananda: oh hi | 21:44 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:45 |
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| ttx | looks in good shape too | 21:45 |
| devananda | ack | 21:45 |
| ttx | you might want to assign someone to bug 1195073 | 21:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1195073 in nova "pxe deploy timeout defaults to unset" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195073 | 21:45 |
| ttx | if you want it fixed by next week | 21:45 |
| devananda | will do | 21:45 |
| devananda | we have a lot of bug fixes in flight at the moment | 21:45 |
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| devananda | trying to iron out issues with deploy() | 21:45 |
| devananda | i may fast-track them to try to get things working this week | 21:46 |
| ttx | ok, looks like you're all in good shape | 21:46 |
| devananda | and then add unit tests / cleanup just after that | 21:46 |
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| ttx | any question on the milestone publication process ? | 21:46 |
| ttx | or on anything else ? | 21:46 |
| NobodyCam | not from /me. | 21:46 |
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| devananda | nope. I'll be back in the states this week and around to do all the things for milestone next week | 21:47 |
| ttx | ok then | 21:47 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:47 | |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:47 |
| ttx | Or can we all have 12 minutes of our lives back | 21:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nothing from my side | 21:48 |
| russellb | yay OpenStack | 21:48 |
| ttx | alrighty then | 21:49 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 21:49:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-14-21.02.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-14-21.02.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-14-21.02.log.html | 21:49 |
| ttx | thanks everyone | 21:49 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 14 22:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:01 |
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| david-lyle | Hello | 22:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 22:01 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 22:01 |
| mrunge | hey everybody *\o/* | 22:01 |
| lblanchard | hi all | 22:01 |
| MaxV | hi | 22:01 |
| absubram__ | hi | 22:01 |
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| jtomasek | hey | 22:01 |
| david-lyle | sparklers :) | 22:01 |
| akrivoka | hi everyone | 22:01 |
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| tims | o/ | 22:02 |
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| david-lyle | Wanted to start today by reminding everyone that i-2 closes in 1 week | 22:02 |
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| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 22:02 |
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| david-lyle | anything not up for review today, I'm going to bump to i-3 | 22:03 |
| david-lyle | which makes i-3 overly full | 22:03 |
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| mrunge | yes | 22:03 |
| mrunge | I bet, we'll drop some of that and move it to 'j' | 22:04 |
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| david-lyle | If you are slated for something in i-3 that you know you're not going to be able to work on, please tell me or move it out of i-3 to future or next | 22:04 |
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| david-lyle | i-3 close on march 6, so time to be realistic | 22:04 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, you can put thi to i3, I stll need that one bug to be fixed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-alarm-api | 22:04 |
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| david-lyle | lsmola: done | 22:05 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, excellent | 22:05 |
| david-lyle | so the ones that need review let's make sure we cover | 22:06 |
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| david-lyle | As far as the bps assigned to me, ux and 1.6 should be ready very early i-3 | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | but both will slip | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | I did release django_openstack_auth 1.1.4 but now we have to do the requirements dance | 22:07 |
| mrunge | yeah, thanks for the release | 22:07 |
| mrunge | I guess we should shift that to i-3 | 22:07 |
| david-lyle | yes, I'll do it after the meeting | 22:07 |
| mrunge | the gate is in a miserable state | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | Toshi: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/create-router-by-workflow coming? | 22:08 |
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| mrunge | and we shouldn't add our stuff to that as well | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: true although it should be in a lot better state now | 22:08 |
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| david-lyle | and we shouldn't propose something that could cause problems in the last week | 22:08 |
| mrunge | yes, agreed. anyway, I moved it to i-3 | 22:09 |
| mrunge | just to be safe | 22:09 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 22:09 |
| david-lyle | any other concerns about things slated for i-2? | 22:09 |
| Toshi | I'm sorry, I don't have much time to do it for now, I have another tasks, so I'd like to finish it within this month | 22:10 |
| mrunge | there are quite a few reviews still waiting for approval... | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | Toshi: sounds good, I'll move it to i-3 | 22:10 |
| Toshi | david-lyle: Thanks! | 22:11 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, done (moving) | 22:11 |
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| david-lyle | there are 2-3 that had minor issues that have been abandoned, I may re-propose those to get them in | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | I'm checking with the owner | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | and yes reviews needed :_ | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | #topic action items | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:13 | |
| david-lyle | There were a couple of items on my plate to resolve | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | #1 meeting time | 22:13 |
| david-lyle | I plan on moving the meeting to 4pm UTC, that was tied for the top vote getter | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | unfortunately there is not a meeting room available at that time, so I need to work with the infra team to make that possible | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | I will send a mail to the ML once we have a place to meet | 22:14 |
| david-lyle | #2 tuskar-ui | 22:15 |
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| david-lyle | I've been working with lifeless to make this happen, just need to change how the groups in gerrit and LP line up, so hopefully soon | 22:15 |
| david-lyle | thanks for your patience | 22:16 |
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| lsmola | cool | 22:16 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 22:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:16 | |
| jcoufal | awesome | 22:16 |
| jomara_ | thanks for working that out | 22:16 |
| david-lyle | there were no other items posted to the agenda today, so let's open it up | 22:17 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, yes, thank you | 22:17 |
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| david-lyle | one lingering item is the javascript toolchain | 22:18 |
| * lsmola has no topic and feels sad | 22:18 | |
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| * jcoufal nothing here | 22:18 | |
| david-lyle | as we know there has been a strong push for nodejs support for development reasons | 22:18 |
| david-lyle | storyboard is another project in the infra group that is exploring the same toolchain | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | regarding storyboard: Toolchain example available here -https://github.com/krotscheck/storyboard-webclient | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | they have the benefit of not being part of the distro, so they have a higher degree of freedom here | 22:19 |
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| david-lyle | but, one idea would be to pull the js and less out of horizon and into it's own package that is imported | 22:20 |
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| jtomasek | david-lyle: this is interesting | 22:20 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I like the idea | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | Will that satisfy the package managers? | 22:20 |
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| david-lyle | this new package could take advantage of the new toolchain for development and deliver minimized js and css | 22:21 |
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| david-lyle | thus it's still delivering source, just minified | 22:21 |
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| david-lyle | this would also ease the split of horizon and openstack_auth | 22:21 |
| mrunge | krotscheck, I'd say, it depends on the code delivered | 22:21 |
| MaxV | if javascript is put outside, do we have to bring back a no js support? | 22:21 |
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| david-lyle | no, because we don't have no novaclient support | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | or no django_openstack_auth support | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | it's a dependency | 22:22 |
| jtomasek | yes | 22:22 |
| MaxV | great | 22:22 |
| MaxV | understood | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | This also would unblock the bootstrap update, etc | 22:22 |
| lsmola | david-lyle, sounds reasonable | 22:22 |
| mrunge | really? | 22:22 |
| MaxV | one step closer to separate front-end and back-end | 22:22 |
| jtomasek | thumbs up | 22:23 |
| jcoufal | it sounds good | 22:23 |
| mrunge | If I understand this right, bootstrap3 would cut off ie8, right? | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | if the bootstrap js is coming from the js package | 22:23 |
| lsmola | mrunge, really? | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle | hmm, have to look back at that one | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | fuzzy | 22:23 |
| krotscheck | mrunge: I dunno, I proposed that to jeblair and he thought that for package maintainers to be happy, all dependencies need to be buildable from source. | 22:23 |
| lblanchard | mrunge: I think only certain widgets | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | so krotscheck: is grunt part of you toolchain now? | 22:24 |
| mrunge | krotscheck, yes. but it needs to be built from source, thus you need all requirements in the build environment | 22:24 |
| jcoufal | mrunge: ie8 is still supported | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: Yup. Grunt, Bower, Karma, Selenium | 22:24 |
| mrunge | selenium is a no go | 22:24 |
| MaxV | protactor does not need selenium | 22:24 |
| jcoufal | mrunge: just few css3 features are don't (like border-radius, etc) | 22:24 |
| MaxV | I have a POC | 22:24 |
| david-lyle | right now we pull in minimized jquery, I don't see how this would be different? | 22:24 |
| mrunge | selenium still distributes pre-compiled binaries | 22:25 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, currently, we bundle jquery | 22:25 |
| mrunge | I'd love to see this unbundled | 22:25 |
| mrunge | i.e. in a separate package | 22:26 |
| mrunge | and the other libs unbundled as well | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | like the js/less horizon package ;) | 22:26 |
| mrunge | yes | 22:26 |
| krotscheck | mrunge: I believe that protractor uses selenium under the hood, but let me check on that.... | 22:26 |
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| MaxV | no need to selenium | 22:26 |
| MaxV | I tried it | 22:26 |
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| MaxV | without | 22:26 |
| jomara_ | after thinking about it for a minute, this sounds promising | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | we use selenium now, but it is optional and would not be a delivery requirement | 22:27 |
| mrunge | but we replaced less by that python stuff | 22:27 |
| mrunge | exactly. but if you want to use it for tests... | 22:27 |
| mrunge | just to be sure, your package build is correct.... | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, I understand | 22:27 |
| mrunge | nothing we could solve right now | 22:28 |
| david-lyle | I wanted to bring this up as an option to move forward | 22:28 |
| mrunge | yes! it's a good move | 22:28 |
| david-lyle | we don't have to decide right now, and moving this way may need to go to the TC | 22:28 |
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| mrunge | maybe we'll take that to a session in atlanta? | 22:29 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, that sounds reasonable, do we feel like the horizon/dashboard split will slip that far? | 22:30 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, I hope it won't slip so far | 22:30 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, I still hope to finish that during i-3 cycle | 22:30 |
| mrunge | if I can't, we should move it to j | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | consider splitting the js and less out too, regardless of toolchain. It may simplify things | 22:31 |
| mrunge | yes, that's a good suggestion | 22:31 |
| mrunge | will add that to the whiteboard | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | seems like krotscheck will have a node toolchain as part of the build systems should we find a way to take advantage | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | ok, any other topics | 22:33 |
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| julim | just a fyi | 22:33 |
| julim | that the persona working group is meeting on friday | 22:33 |
| julim | and open to anyone to participate | 22:33 |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Well, what I had to do was manually download and compile node, because infra doesn't want to install anything that doesn't have an official package. | 22:35 |
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| david-lyle | a mailing list for the personas work has been set up: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-personas | 22:35 |
| lblanchard | here is the mail about the meeting on Friday: | 22:35 |
| lblanchard | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-personas/2014-January/000005.html | 22:35 |
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| julim | Friday, Jan 17 2014 11:00am US/EST (8:00am US/PST or 1500 GMT): see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/persona-working-group for details also | 22:35 |
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| david-lyle | krotscheck: ok, that's a little more cumbersome | 22:36 |
| david-lyle | Any other topics today? | 22:37 |
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| jomara_ | david-lyle: we should welcome jrist, he is lurking in this channel | 22:39 |
| * jrist waves | 22:39 | |
| jomara_ | i think hes going to start trying to contribute soon! | 22:39 |
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| jrist | no pressure | 22:39 |
| david-lyle | welcome jrist, if you have questions, please ask in #openstack-horizon | 22:39 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 22:39 |
| akrivoka | jrist: welcome :) | 22:39 |
| jcoufal | \o | 22:39 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 22:40 |
| lsmola | jrist, welcome | 22:40 |
| lblanchard | jrist: hiya! | 22:40 |
| * tshirtman waves | 22:40 | |
| jrist | david-lyle, lsmola, lblanchard, akrivoka thanks | 22:40 |
| julim | welcome jrist | 22:40 |
| mrunge | o/ jrist | 22:40 |
| david-lyle | always glad to see people join the community | 22:40 |
| jrist | is that a princess wave emoticon? | 22:40 |
| jomara_ | it is | 22:40 |
| jomara_ | they just taught it to me last week | 22:40 |
| jrist | elbow elbow wrist wrist | 22:41 |
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| david-lyle | ok, that's it. Thanks everyone. I will send an email when I can change the meeting time, so watch for that. I will also update the meeting page. | 22:42 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 22:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 14 22:42:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-14-22.01.html | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-14-22.01.txt | 22:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-01-14-22.01.log.html | 22:42 |
| jomara_ | thanks everyone! | 22:42 |
| mrunge | thanks | 22:42 |
| lblanchard | thanks david-lyle, have a good week all! | 22:42 |
| lsmola | thanks everyone, have a good night | 22:42 |
| jtomasek | thanks all | 22:42 |
| akrivoka | thanks and good night everyone! | 22:42 |
| jcoufal | thanks guys, night | 22:43 |
| julim | thank you | 22:43 |
| tshirtman | night people :) | 22:43 |
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