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| DinaBelova | ok, hello | 10:00 |
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| DinaBelova | Climate guys, are you here? | 10:00 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, scroiset | 10:01 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov :) | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | Anybody here? | 10:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 10:02 |
| bauzas | o/ | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | oh, great :) | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, is Swann here? | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | #startmeeting climate | 10:02 |
| bauzas | fyi, swann is on maternity leave :) | 10:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 10:02:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:02 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, happy b-day | 10:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'climate' | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yeah :) | 10:03 |
| bauzas | so he won't be there for the next month | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | Linkedin says you've got b-day :) | 10:03 |
| bauzas | oh, ty all :) | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok | 10:03 |
| bauzas | swann just had a baby today, so we will have same-bday 33 years difference: ) | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 10:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose today we'll have not so much people here | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | Nick is not available today | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | he will be in office only tommorow | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:04 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | let's start | 10:04 |
| bauzas | let's start then | 10:04 |
| bauzas | :) | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | I'm glad we have not large agenda today | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 10:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:05 | |
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| DinaBelova | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-25-09.59.html | 10:05 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:05 |
| DinaBelova | ok, let's go through action items | 10:05 |
| bauzas | sure, there are 5 | 10:05 |
| DinaBelova | Nick had no opportunity to work with his one, I suppose | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | because he left Saratov at the middle of the week | 10:06 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296 was rebased | 10:06 |
| bauzas | I can do a quick review | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | ok, but I see your comments there | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | already :) | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | So I think you've did one :) | 10:07 |
| bauzas | ok, I just need to see if the new patchsets amend some changes I commented | 10:07 |
| bauzas | no specific action for that | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:08 |
| bauzas | but let's conduct the same action for Nikolay | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:08 |
| bauzas | as eavesdrop doesn't have the possibility to backlog actions | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | #action Nikolay_St Review comments from bauzas on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296 and amend patch | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | the next one was Scope Climate 0.1 | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | I decided to create topic for it | 10:09 |
| bauzas | ok, can we discuss that on the next topic item ? | 10:09 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | next three | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | were for you, Sylvain | 10:09 |
| bauzas | ok, then the next three | 10:09 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57650 is merged | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | As for policies - Yuriy is now looking on policies in Nova, as I know | 10:10 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57200 is for reviewing | 10:10 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:10 |
| bauzas | good to know | 10:10 |
| bauzas | on a side note, I just want to raise a flag at the end of the meeting | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | there are several strange things there, as you remember | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, you meen? | 10:11 |
| bauzas | just meaning I'm a busy man :) | 10:11 |
| bauzas | with 5 open reviews plus Swann's ones :) | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | oh, ok | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | lost meaning | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:11 |
| bauzas | action 5. is targeted as soon as the fix is merged | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, I see it | 10:12 |
| bauzas | because I don't want to open a bug related on a change on review | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | let's keep this action | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | #action bauzas Open a bug for exception handling with code | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | for this meeting too | 10:12 |
| bauzas | oh ! | 10:12 |
| bauzas | the review has been merged | 10:12 |
| bauzas | totally missed it ! | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | don't worry | 10:13 |
| bauzas | busy busy man :) | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | that's ok | 10:13 |
| bauzas | ok, will do at the end of the meeting :) | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | that's it for action items | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | we had no many of them | 10:13 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Scope for Climate 0.1 | 10:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scope for Climate 0.1 (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:13 | |
| bauzas | can we just speak about reviews ? | 10:13 |
| bauzas | ok let's discuss during open discussion | 10:13 |
| bauzas | so for the scope | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | oh, let's move it to open | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | I've got several thoughts on it | 10:14 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | I believe there are only two major things | 10:14 |
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| DinaBelova | we should really mark as needed for the 0.1 | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | - support for one virtual reservation (Nova instances) | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | - support for one hardware reservation (compute hosts) | 10:14 |
| bauzas | yup think so as well | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | And we should do it asap. And then add everything else. All other projects used 0.1 version to implements basic things that projects cannot exist about. I suppose these two opportunities are just these things. | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | As for compute hosts, I hope we’ll merge these changes soon after some more review cycles. | 10:15 |
| bauzas | all BPs should be tagged consequently | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova make Climate Launchpad support 0.1, … , 0.X release series. | 10:15 |
| bauzas | let's use 0.1 tag ? | 10:15 |
| bauzas | for BPs ? | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | yes, as agreed on last meeting | 10:15 |
| bauzas | ok cool | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | As for instances, Nick start checking shelved instances POC, and he says, it looks really like a thing we need. So I hope new patch set for the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49142/ will be soon. | 10:15 |
| bauzas | just one note about physical reservations | 10:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 0.1.X series with 0.1, 0.1.rc1, 0.1.1 (potentially) milestones | 10:16 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, good idea | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yes? | 10:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's a common versioning, not my idea :) | 10:16 |
| bauzas | there is just a little confusion about what the reviews are for :) | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | still good one | 10:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | DinaBelova, I'll help you with setting up correct series/milestones | 10:16 |
| bauzas | so, basically, we have different reviews for implementing this | 10:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | from pov one non-fake plugin is enough to release 0.1 | 10:17 |
| bauzas | the review I'm currently working on, about provisioning, is not the end-user API :) | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | oh, yeah | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | I remember that | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | that's admin API, afair | 10:17 |
| bauzas | for any reason I don't understand, this review is tagging the incorrect BP | 10:18 |
| bauzas | I have to fix this for proper clarifications | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, I think you may fix it asap | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:18 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | are you expecting many reviews for one bp? | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | #action bauzas fix BP links for Host Reservation opportunity | 10:18 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: nope, only 2 for provisioning hosts | 10:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | k | 10:19 |
| bauzas | one for the API, one for the Manager | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it's a part of Host Reservation | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep? | 10:19 |
| bauzas | I just wanted to decorrellate this | 10:19 |
| bauzas | yup, an admin endpoint only | 10:19 |
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| DinaBelova | The last thing for the 0.1 scope is date for the release. I suppose we'll look on progress here | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, and you have bps for other parts? | 10:19 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: yup | 10:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great | 10:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as for the release date, it'll be cool to have some kind of deadline | 10:20 |
| DinaBelova | As for date, It seems to me it should be released before New Year :) | 10:20 |
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| bauzas | DinaBelova: I have to chase up in order to see if francois can help | 10:20 |
| DinaBelova | but I had no opportunity to speak with Nick to provide some deadline for instances feature | 10:20 |
| bauzas | Swann's leave is not really an issue, as we planned his absence | 10:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start from the question - do we want to have EAP release with min functionality (one plugin) or we want to enable both virt and hard reservations to it? | 10:21 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: as per the community feedback we had from the Summit, I think we need both | 10:22 |
| bauzas | sorry about that :) | 10:22 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, I'm good with having first release with only one working plugin. But on summit we had much problems with telling people Climate supports both virt and hard reservations | 10:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, so, bauzas, DinaBelova, what's your estimates about completing corresponding plugins? | 10:22 |
| bauzas | ETA by end of the year as said | 10:23 |
| bauzas | for basic host reservatiosn | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose that's the same for vortual ones | 10:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | makes sense for me to have both virt and hard reservations to be clear for users | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | Nick is actively working on instances plugin | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:23 |
| bauzas | I'm chasing up people commitment on Climate for hosts reservatiosn | 10:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1-2 weeks should be scheduled for the code freeze and testing before the release | 10:24 |
| bauzas | should get a better visibility next week | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | #agreed V0.1 scope support for one virtual reservation (Nova instances) | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | #agreed V0.1 scope support for one hardware reservation (compute hosts) | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, great | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov proposed next our topic | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | I think we may go to it | 10:25 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Devstack gating | 10:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's still not very clear for me aboud releasing ;) | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, oh | 10:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | lat's #undo to the prev. topic | 10:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's | 10:26 |
| DinaBelova | #undo | 10:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | don't think that it's command works ok with topics | 10:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about release process? | 10:26 |
| DinaBelova | It wrote Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x35e46d0> | 10:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but topic isn't rollbacked | 10:26 |
| DinaBelova | yes, see it | 10:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | don't worry | 10:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | you can use milestone-proposed branch as all OpenStack projects | 10:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or some simplified process | 10:27 |
| bauzas | mmm | 10:27 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, may you describe both of them? | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | in several words? | 10:28 |
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| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: that sounds interesting, but I think that's more likely related to Openstack lifecycle, not V1 :) | 10:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | m-p branch created week before the milestone to land patches only for it, and master is opened in this time for the next ml dev | 10:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, it could be much easier to use correct lifecycle from scratch but it's absolutely not important for the v1 | 10:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to set some dates for freeze at least | 10:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like -1w for testing | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | I think that's good idea | 10:30 |
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| DinaBelova | to land only milestone related features | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | and bug fixes | 10:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nop | 10:30 |
| bauzas | well, why not | 10:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to land only critical bug dixes | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | on the v1 branch | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, yes | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | missed that word :) | 10:30 |
| bauzas | critical bug dixies ? :D | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 10:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh :) | 10:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the main idea that in the best case nothing will be merged during this period | 10:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's time to test everything and make sure that everything works ok | 10:32 |
| bauzas | maybe let's discuss that by email, no ? | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | I think we agreed already :) | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | m-p branch with -1w for features and critical bug dixies :) | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | no? | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 10:32 |
| bauzas | oh ok | 10:32 |
| bauzas | well, ok | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | #agreed use milestone-proposed branch for v1 features and critical bug fixies | 10:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's very important to have some time to perform testing :) | 10:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:33 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | do we already have needed topic? | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | I can't understand | 10:33 |
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| DinaBelova | I may set it once more | 10:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | set it again I think | 10:34 |
| DinaBelova | if it was removed from logs | 10:34 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Devstack gating | 10:34 |
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| DinaBelova | Ok | 10:34 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, I see you are working on devstack support and gating for CLimate | 10:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 10:35 |
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| DinaBelova | may you describe current status? | 10:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58702/ | 10:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it'll enable d-g jobs for climate | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | Soon we'll have heavy gating work as big-big OpenStack project :) | 10:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for applying it we should add devstack support | 10:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it was partially done | 10:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm planning to make a CR this week | 10:36 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, great | 10:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be located in contrib/devstack dir in main climate project | 10:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's a common approach for projects who can't contribute to devstack directly | 10:36 |
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| DinaBelova | Ok, I think that's great | 10:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think that the same thing could be done with tempest tests later | 10:37 |
| bauzas | I'm OK with this | 10:37 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, are you ok? | 10:37 |
| DinaBelova | Ok, great | 10:37 |
| bauzas | contrib directory is fine :) | 10:37 |
| bauzas | I basically reviewed the patch, no specific cons to say | 10:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | after applying to incubation it could be easily moved to th devstack | 10:37 |
| DinaBelova | As Savanna did :) | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | yep? ;) | 10:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we was applied before the devstack support landed to the contrib :) | 10:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm, nothing to add atm | 10:38 |
| bauzas | :-) | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:38 |
| bauzas | ok, giving °1 | 10:38 |
| bauzas | +1 | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | let's move to open discussion | 10:38 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Open discussion | 10:39 |
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| bauzas | so, about reviews | 10:39 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/7166 | 10:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | looks like someone should keep track of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/nova-dependency-removal | 10:39 |
| DinaBelova | :d | 10:39 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 10:39 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: well, that will be handled by either francois or me | 10:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I've rebases https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57675/ and looks like it'll merged soon | 10:40 |
| bauzas | or can be postponed until Swann's back | 10:40 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, nice! | 10:40 |
| bauzas | I'm changing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/nova-dependency-removal to icehouse-2 | 10:41 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok | 10:41 |
| DinaBelova | but I'll add v1 today to launchpad | 10:42 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49363/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52396/ seem pretty reading for being merged | 10:42 |
| bauzas | that would really help myself for making sure I can focus on other concerns | 10:42 |
| DinaBelova | Ok, will take final look on them | 10:42 |
| bauzas | esp. Policies and Manager | 10:42 |
| bauzas | I mean Host Provisioning Manager | 10:42 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: cool thanks | 10:43 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova Final review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49363/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52396/ | 10:43 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:43 |
| bauzas | one last note for me | 10:43 |
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| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59109/ seems pretty important for v1 | 10:44 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yes | 10:44 |
| bauzas | and is also related to the policies thing about objects having their own IDs | 10:45 |
| DinaBelova | Still I believe we may change it everywhere , not only here. Because we have not many usage of tenant_id in our code | 10:45 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: let's discuss that off-meeting then, and target agreement for next meeting :) | 10:46 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok | 10:46 |
| DinaBelova | Also I want to mention one more change | 10:46 |
| bauzas | I raised a bug, maybe I should promote it to a BP ? | 10:46 |
| bauzas | because the scope is wide | 10:46 |
| bauzas | to me it's a bug for the DB, it's a feature for objects :) | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | you had created one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/tenant-to-project-ref | 10:47 |
| bauzas | nope | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | is that for tenant->project entities? | 10:47 |
| bauzas | this one is for cosmetic change, ie. changing 'tenant' refs to 'project' | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | gotcha | 10:47 |
| bauzas | atm, we strongly use tenant | 10:48 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, you mentioned one change in that review | 10:48 |
| bauzas | in order to prevent bugs, I would recommend sticking to this until s/o is handling the BP | 10:48 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: which review ? | 10:48 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59109/ | 10:48 |
| bauzas | yup, was part of the next actions items for me :) | 10:49 |
| bauzas | trying to review other projects to see how they do :) | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | Because if that will be landed soon we may use it and have less problems with all these things | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | I think we may fix this bug for DB now | 10:50 |
| bauzas | as said, we should at least do a quick filter on tenant_id | 10:50 |
| bauzas | exactly | 10:50 |
| bauzas | and see on a next step how to do it right | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | and then fix tenant->project entities | 10:50 |
| bauzas | could you please put me an action ? | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:50 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 10:50 |
| bauzas | to create BP to this | 10:50 |
| bauzas | and investigate | 10:50 |
| bauzas | I'll own the BP | 10:51 |
| DinaBelova | #action bauzas Create BP for working with Projects instead of Tenants | 10:51 |
| bauzas | cool thanks | 10:51 |
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| DinaBelova | ok | 10:51 |
| bauzas | that's it for me | 10:51 |
| DinaBelova | I wanted to remind you about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57880/ :) | 10:52 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, about the model_query, CR that I mentioned is a result of merging from Cinder and Nova | 10:52 |
| bauzas | was part of my duty :) | 10:52 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: okay, will dig into it :) | 10:52 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: I can handle that | 10:52 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:52 |
| DinaBelova | #action bauzas Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57880/ | 10:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw that's a cool script https://github.com/dolph/next-review | 10:53 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: know it :) | 10:53 |
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| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, new for me :) | 10:53 |
| DinaBelova | Nice | 10:53 |
| DinaBelova | Ok | 10:53 |
| bauzas | ok, going back to my Manager.__getattr__ stuff | 10:54 |
| DinaBelova | Do you have, guys, what to discuss else? | 10:54 |
| bauzas | hoping we'll have consensus for managing RPC extension next patchset :) | 10:54 |
| bauzas | took Yuriy's comments for handling that | 10:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | brew install terminal-notifier | 10:54 |
| bauzas | :) | 10:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ooops, wrong window :) | 10:55 |
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| bauzas | ok, I think we're done ? | 10:55 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, I had 51 patchsets for manager :D don't be sure about consensus :) | 10:55 |
| DinaBelova | I think yes :) | 10:55 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: :D :D :D | 10:55 |
| bauzas | ROFL | 10:55 |
| DinaBelova | Bye, guys :) | 10:55 |
| bauzas | bye akk | 10:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | have a good day! | 10:55 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 10:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 10:55:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-12-02-10.02.html | 10:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-12-02-10.02.txt | 10:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-12-02-10.02.log.html | 10:56 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| nmakhotkin | hi | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 16:00:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | here's the link to the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:01 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | I wasn't planning anything special or new for today's meeting so let's quickly cover previous action items and talk about Mistral design, DSL and API in a free manner | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi gokrokve | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | haven | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | haven't seen you for a while | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | so, action items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Previous action items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. Design how additional APIs may can be injected into DSL | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | this question itself raised from the hot discussion we had about whether we need to include more high-level things into Mistral DSL like calling Nova, Glance or other OpenStack services | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | and we wanted to draft first how it can look in DSL if we call Nova | 16:06 |
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| gokrokve | I think yes, but not in the first phase. | 16:06 |
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| gokrokve | In general this is good idea to call APIs directly. The use case is live migration. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | so the AI itself is in progress, we're now actively working on PoC but we can discuss it again | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, gokrokve, let me explain what the problem was | 16:07 |
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| gokrokve | You will need to call nova to migrate a VM. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | well, not the problem but rather a point of view agains it | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | yes, just a second, I'll explain | 16:08 |
| gokrokve | ok | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | there are a few things here | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | first, we planned to implement Mistral so that it is agnostic of any special things that are not something really primitive like sending an HTTP request or a message over AMQP | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | because if we start adding some additional things it may quickly become a pile of different things and it's not clear where to stop | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | but that's the most important point | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun said that if we want to implement all the capabilities to call OpenStack services then our DSL may become complicated | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | for example, we can't just call a REST API method without authenticating first | 16:11 |
| stanlagun | rakhmerov: not exactly | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | and in most cases we'll need several calls instead of one | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun, ok go ahead and explain yourself | 16:12 |
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| stanlagun | I think having Mistral call OpenStack APIs is a good idea. But not the way it was proposed. When we add ability to call arbitrty REST APIs, sub-workflows with enough capabilities to express branching, dataflow and loops then we could do it | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | so, in my understanding, the point is that we don't want to convert our DSL into a serious language | 16:13 |
| stanlagun | Hardcoding several trivial one-liner actions into Mistral is useless | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | Stan, I was talking only about DSL | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I just didn't finish explaining that a little bit :) | 16:14 |
| stanlagun | This way you would not have to complicate DSL | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so what is your suggestion? | 16:15 |
| stanlagun | Calling OpenStack REST API would be no different as any other API and averyone would be able to take advantage of it or use any other REST API as well | 16:16 |
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| nmakhotkin | maybe we should include and support at least one service | 16:17 |
| stanlagun | My suggestion is not to hurry and not to make useless shortcuts but to think on more fundamental approach. I have several ideas on this just not for current PoX scope | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | but as far as I understand you were agains introducing any special means in DSL for, say, Nova, right? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | what I mean is basically, you don't like having special kinds of actions | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | in DSL | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | like: | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | action: | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | type: Nova | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | method: createVM() | 16:18 |
| stanlagun | I'm against any built-in syntax that is designed specially for several Nova actions and it becomes useless if we go one step beyound this | 16:18 |
| stanlagun | createVM requires parameters. Some of them need to be calculated | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:19 |
| stanlagun | And createVM is useless if it is all that you can call | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | last time you were talking about having a convenient Mistral library that would allow creating callbacks easily | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | so that we could handle Mistral actions in python code | 16:20 |
| igormarnat_ | Guys, I'm somewhat late and missed something: do we have any agenda or do we do some design holy war as a part of the agenda? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | this library under the hood exposes REST endpoints and all necessary machinery | 16:20 |
| stanlagun | yes. Client libabrary is more promissing approach for short-medium term | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | igormarnat, the agenda for this meeting is discussing design, DSL, API | 16:21 |
| stanlagun | Universal REST API client is a long-term approach | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I believe this is not really a holly war, it's an important thing that we should realize | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun, why is it a long-term approach? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | not sure I'm understanding you | 16:22 |
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| stanlagun | Client library is generally gives more value and simpe to use. Long-term approach requires some form of workflow catalog that is need to be feeled with workflows. So we will think on it but start with client library. It is much simpler and generaly universal approach | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, the second AI we had is "Design how Mistral client library may look like", in progress. But personally would love to see that done as soon as possible. | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | for me the idea of being able to create this kind of callbacks easily looks very attractive | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | it could simplify things significantly and address lots of doubts we have | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss the design, DSL, API | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | gokrokve, is there anything you could suggest on that? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just not sure if our explanations were clear enough | 16:26 |
| gokrokve | Can we pass API calls to taskflow layer? | 16:26 |
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| gokrokve | Anyway we planned to have webhooks for DSL, so it should almost the same as API calls. | 16:27 |
| gokrokve | But I see why API calls might be a problem. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yes, webhooks will work | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | and yes, it's what we planned initially | 16:27 |
| gokrokve | Let's keep DSL simple at least on PoC level. | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | as for TaskFlow, in PoC most likely we won't be able to use TaskFlow much | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | No API calls in PoC. | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | Ok. | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I would agree with that | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | Send a DSL proposal to openstack-dev list. | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | I did | 16:29 |
| gokrokve | Do you have a feedback from heat team? | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | If not, please go to their IRC channel and try to talk with them directly. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotking keeps working on Workflow Execution (aka engine) for Mistral PoC and he'll try to list out most of the things that TaskFlow lacks now | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | okk | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | ok | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | well, we didn't hear anything from heat by now | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I think I'll try to talk to them directly, yes | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin | I did it on wiki page | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | hmm, not sure if it contains everything | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin | I try to summarise more things | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | but let me check again, things changed since you did it | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
| nmakhotkin | Ok | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, rakhmerov Check once more what TaskFlow lacks to be able to use it in Mistral (with the current vision) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | and we'll need to move it to the public wiki :) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as heat team and others, I have a feeling that most of the people at this point pretty much understand what Mistral is going to be and we discussed lots of aspects with them and agreed upon them. And now everyone is just willing to see something working | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | that's why I think it's ok that we decided to concentrate on delivering PoC asap | 16:35 |
| gokrokve | Ok. Then create a PoC. How much will it take to implement? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | we're just creating a point to start a productive conversation with the community | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | gokrokve, yes, we've been working on it over one week and we have some things done already | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | i.e. Rest API that we suggested on etherpad is mostly finished and just needs to be connected to other parts | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | as far as how much, we're now targeting to Dec 13th | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | so 2 weeks from now | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | and I'm pretty sure we're on target | 16:37 |
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| gokrokve | cool | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:38 |
| igormarnat_ | Do you have in mind some ref app to be ready together with Mistral PoC? What is the use case of the app? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | yes, we do | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | for now I think this app won't be doing anything complicated | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | we were thinking about something like "Create 3 VMs", "Attach cinder volumes", "Format volumes" | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | and the app should create this workflow, upload it to Mistral and tell Mistral to run it | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | I would suggest we discuss the particular scenario of this app on the next IRC meeting, it's worth discussing | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm just not sure we'll be ready to work with real OpenStack services in the scope of PoC | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so the app actually may be something simpler for now | 16:42 |
| igormarnat_ | It's fine, the simpler is the better. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:43 |
| igormarnat_ | Ok, let's plan it by the next meeting | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yes, let's have an item for that | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | #action akuznetsov, nmakhotkin, rakhmerov Create a detailed plan for the demo application for PoC | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | the thing is that in order to do things like "Create VMS" we need to be able to authenticate and may be do some additional things | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | it'd be cool to be able to demonstrate this but at this point I don't see exactly how it's going to look like | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | especially in DSL | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, are there any other questions to discuss or we'd like to finish the conversation about additional DSL constructions like calling Nova? | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun, akuznetsov? | 16:47 |
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| igormarnat_ | ok, and? | 16:47 |
| akuznetsov | from my side no | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:48 |
| igormarnat_ | We do have the list of actions to implement, right? | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, REST and AMQP | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | so are we done then for today? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | is there anything else to discuss? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'll wait a couple of more minutes and then wrap up the meeting | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks for joining today! | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | let's end the meeting | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | bye, will see you next time | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 16:53:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-02-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-02-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-12-02-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
| igormarnat_ | Bye, guys! | 16:53 |
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| colinmcnamara | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 17:00:46 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcnamara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| colinmcnamara | hello - Colin Present | 17:01 |
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| colinmcnamara | Sean is present virtually - on my phone | 17:01 |
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| colinmcnamara | looks like schedule confusion exists, end meeting | 17:08 |
| colinmcnamara | #endmeeting | 17:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 17:08:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-12-02-17.00.html | 17:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2013/training_manuals.2013-12-02-17.00.txt | 17:08 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 19:00:30 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:00 |
| devananda | #topic greetings & roll call | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "greetings & roll call (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| devananda | hi all! who's here? | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
| agordeev | o/ | 19:01 |
| * NobodyCam o/ | 19:01 | |
| rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 19:01 |
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| devananda | great! | 19:01 |
| devananda | for reference, here's the agenda | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| devananda | #topic announcements / updates | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements / updates (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| devananda | just one today | 19:02 |
| devananda | i started writing a consistent hash ring for the conductor service | 19:02 |
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| devananda | to solve several problems that we ran into over the last two weeks | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | nice, any idea when ur going to put a review up? | 19:03 |
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| devananda | around routing RPC messages, knowing which conductor is responsible for which instance, and handling failures | 19:03 |
| devananda | yes | 19:03 |
| devananda | one already landed | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | and btw, does we need it in order to get out of the incubation process? | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I think we do. our we'll have to do a lot of reengerring | 19:04 |
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| * devananda looks for the commit | 19:04 | |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, right | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | our = or | 19:04 |
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| lucasagomes | right yea def it's important | 19:04 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58607/ | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | just asking cause in our last conversation it was unclear whether we would need it or not | 19:05 |
| devananda | yea | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=instance-mapping-by-consistent-hash <- fyi | 19:05 |
| devananda | so i did the mental excersize of: what happens if we dont have this? --> we can only run one conductor instance --> can we exit incubation like that? --> probably not. | 19:05 |
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| devananda | and decided to dig in and get'er'done | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | great! | 19:06 |
| devananda | also talked with the nova folks briefly about that, and got the same impression from them | 19:06 |
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| vkozhukalov | o/ | 19:07 |
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| lucasagomes | I know tripleo might not need it in the moment, but yea having it done is def a big/great step | 19:07 |
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| devananda | the lack of this in nova-bm can be worked around with eg. pacemaker + drbd | 19:08 |
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| devananda | in theory that could also provide some HA for ironic. but we would still need to restrict it to a single conductor instance (until we add this hash ring) | 19:09 |
| devananda | so. bleh. more to do. | 19:09 |
| devananda | ok, moving on (we can come back to this in open discussion) | 19:09 |
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| devananda | #topic action items from last week | 19:09 |
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| devananda | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-11-25-19.01.html | 19:10 |
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| devananda | i think 2 of those were romcheg's, and he's not here today | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | I ported the last bug on the list at whiteboard today | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | gotta find some more things that might need to be ported from nova bm havanna to ironic | 19:10 |
| devananda | dkehn and NobodyCam and I talked about the nova-network api bits, and I think it's clear. dkehn, any updates? | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59493/ | 19:10 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: awesome, thanks! | 19:11 |
| dkehn | nothing that I've heard | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: great! | 19:11 |
| dkehn | I think everyone is watching the neutron stabilization progress | 19:11 |
| devananda | dkehn: when do you think you'll have some code for the pxe driver -> neutron integration? | 19:12 |
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| dkehn | working it presently, ran into issues with bring up the dev env | 19:12 |
| dkehn | working with NobodyCam to resolver | 19:12 |
| devananda | ack | 19:12 |
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| dkehn | but the 1st stage is just the PXE data then will work the rest assuming no issue with env | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | dkehn: I will be afk a good chuck ot today hit me on gtalk if you have questions | 19:14 |
| devananda | as far as oslo/sqla-migrate vs. alembic, folks seem to still like alembic in principle, but i don't have any concrete "yes we should move" answer yet | 19:14 |
| dkehn | k | 19:14 |
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| devananda | #topic integration and testing | 19:15 |
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| devananda | romcheg isn't here today, and he's been doing most of the work in this area | 19:15 |
| devananda | yuriyz: don't suppose you have any updates from him? | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | I have been working on the nova integration | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | we are making progress. | 19:16 |
| yuriyz | no from romcheg | 19:16 |
| vkozhukalov | we are going to make prove of concept scheme for integration testing | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | Exposing node deploy() will be a biggie | 19:17 |
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| devananda | vkozhukalov: are you working with -infra on that? | 19:17 |
| vkozhukalov | something like launching one VM, installing ironic on it, then launching another VM and booting it from the first one | 19:17 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: no, we just started to do that | 19:18 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: there's a lot of work that has / is being done around testing tripleo in -infra, which means using nova-baremetal. much of that work can probably be used in the same way for testing ironic | 19:18 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: will you be around after this meeting? we should chat with infra team :) | 19:19 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: ok, we can | 19:19 |
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| devananda | vkozhukalov: great, thanks! | 19:19 |
| devananda | #topic nova driver | 19:19 |
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| NobodyCam | oh thats me | 19:19 |
| devananda | (skipping the client because NobodyCam has to leave soon -- will come back to it) | 19:19 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: hi! how goes it? | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | we are making progress. :-p | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | can we jump to api | 19:20 |
| devananda | oh. sure | 19:20 |
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| devananda | #topic python-ironicclient & API service | 19:20 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: that's you! | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: you have thoughts on deploy? | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | vkozhukalov, might worth to take a look at https://github.com/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | oh right, so as NobodyCam mentioned | 19:20 |
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| lucasagomes | we need to expose a way to trigger the node deploy from the API/client libraries | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | I thought about something like | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | POST /nodes/<uuid>/deploy returning 202 with the location header field pointing to /nodes/<uuid>/state case the request gets accepted | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | 403 in case the deployment was already trigged and not completed | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | also we need a way to abort | 19:22 |
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| lucasagomes | so folk could do a DELETE /nodes/<uuid>/deploy | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: will deploy be sync or async? | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | to abort the operation | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | async | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | that's why 202 + location | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | location = he can look at the state resource to see in which state the node currently is | 19:22 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: what will be in the POST body? | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | + the target state | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, didn't think about it yet | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | just got me think about how it would work at the end of today | 19:23 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: you'll need to have a while loop in the nova driver, polling nodes/<uuid>/state, to see when it reaches "done", or if it errors, and also tracking some timeout in Nova | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | so there's some gaps, just the initial idea | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | so nova driver will have to poll | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | if nova times out (ie.. very long deploy) we will be able to roll back / delete | 19:24 |
| rloo | does the nova driver use the ironicclient, or issue a POST directly? | 19:24 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: eg, https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/baremetal/pxe.py#L455 | 19:24 |
| devananda | rloo: ironicclient | 19:24 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, it uses the ironic client libs | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | currently ironic client | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:25 |
| rloo | hmm, what about an eg --poll option, like nova boot has? | 19:25 |
| devananda | rloo: that's a CLI thing | 19:25 |
| devananda | rloo: CLI and API are distinct, even though they're packaged together | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | ya that loop really need to be in nova | 19:26 |
| rloo | oops. | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | *nova driver | 19:26 |
| devananda | nova driver wraps the client API. the CLI also wraps the client API,.... BUT the CLI shouldn't include any "deploy" method | 19:26 |
| romcheg_ | Is Ironic meeting still here? | 19:26 |
| devananda | romcheg_: hi! yes | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | yea | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | hi romcheg_ :) | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | yea just the lib will contain the method to trigger the deployment | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | cli won't expose it | 19:26 |
| romcheg_ | Hi, sorry for being late. Street meeting took more time :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | romcheg_: we can come back to your things in a few minutes | 19:27 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I think a POST with 202 is fine in principle | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | I'm good with polling | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | right, it's also good to say that | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | WSME right now doesnt support returning a Location in the HTTP header | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | so lone as we can "break/stop" the deploy | 19:28 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/wsme/+bug/1233687 | 19:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233687 in wsme "Return Location with POST 201 return code" [Wishlist,New] | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | same prob for 202 ^ | 19:28 |
| devananda | hah | 19:28 |
| devananda | ok | 19:28 |
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| lucasagomes | so people go there and clicks in the affect me button :P | 19:28 |
| devananda | so we can just do that in the nova driver anyway | 19:28 |
| * devananda clicks "affects me" | 19:28 | |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I could build the link | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:29 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yes you can build it, np | 19:29 |
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| devananda | i dont think you need to build it, really | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | yea build it = call a method in the lib | 19:29 |
| * NobodyCam is running short on time | 19:29 | |
| devananda | the client lib already has a node.state object, ya? | 19:29 |
| devananda | right | 19:29 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: go if/when you need to. i can fill you in later | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: TY ... sorry for running out 1/2 way thru.. | 19:30 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam_afk, see ya later | 19:31 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: have more to discuss on the API / client libs? | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, not from me | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | if there's no objections I will start working on that tomorrow | 19:31 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | so I NobodyCam_afk can start using it asap | 19:31 |
| devananda | anyone else, questions on API / client? | 19:31 |
| rloo | what about a way to interrupt it? | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, it will use DELETE to abort operation | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | so the same way you POST to that resource to trigger the deploy | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | you can DELETE to abort | 19:32 |
| rloo | Ok. (I have to admit, i don't know what already exists.) | 19:32 |
| devananda | as far as an API goes, I think that's reasonable | 19:32 |
| devananda | i'm not sure how easily we can get the plubming to actually interrupt an in-progress deploy | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | yea, that will be another challenge :) | 19:33 |
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| lucasagomes | probably solved by the way the ramdisk will do things | 19:33 |
| devananda | and we probably shouldn't implement DELETE /nodes/<uuid>/deploy until we can actually satisfy that request | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | like asking for the next steps | 19:33 |
| devananda | perhaps | 19:34 |
| devananda | my concern is more around the node locking | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | like aborting not release the node? | 19:34 |
| devananda | whether DELETE // interrupt is async or sync, we'll still have the problem that the node resource is locked by the greenthread which is doing the deploy | 19:35 |
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| devananda | we can't just go update the DB record while that's going on and expect deploy() to behave reasonably | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | oh yea, aboarting will need efforts in a couple of areas | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | most important maybe is the ramdisk | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | how it will know it has to abort etc | 19:36 |
| devananda | right. I think DELETE an in-progress deploy should wait until we can look more into those areas, and it's not needed for coming out of incubation | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | cool, so do not expose DELETE for now? | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | or expose it and raise an NotImplemented error? | 19:37 |
| devananda | I would not expose it yet | 19:37 |
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| lucasagomes | right | 19:37 |
| romcheg_ | +1 for not exposing DELETE | 19:37 |
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| devananda | NotImplemented vs NotFound. I prefer the latter | 19:37 |
| rloo | I was going to suggest exposing/raising error, and adding comment why. | 19:38 |
| rloo | or have some place so someone knows why DELETE doesn't exist yet. | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I think the main thing is that we don't need it for coming out of incubation so, we can add it after (and also docs about it) | 19:39 |
| devananda | we can certainly add inline documentation in the API code about it | 19:39 |
| devananda | and it may be worth adding a BP to track the intent for it | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | yea like a TODO there | 19:39 |
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| rloo | yeah, i understand. but it is hard to know, during all this progress, what is avail, not avail, and why. | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, if u want to give me one action to write a bp | 19:39 |
| devananda | #action lucasagomes to file a BP for DELETE /nodes/<uuid>/deploy | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, do you think a TODO in the code explanation our intentions and why it's not implemented in the moment would be enough? | 19:40 |
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| rloo | yup. enough for me anyway :-) thx. | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | ok will do that :) | 19:40 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 19:41 |
| devananda | romcheg_: still around? | 19:41 |
| romcheg_ | devananda: yup | 19:41 |
| devananda | #topic integration and testing | 19:42 |
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| romcheg_ | Actually I do not have a lot of updates. | 19:42 |
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| devananda | romcheg_: give us what you've got :) | 19:42 |
| romcheg_ | I rebased my patch to infra-config to clarkb's and waiting until that refactoring is finished | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | romcheg_: my change just got approved, it needs a little babysitting, but once we are happy with it, your change will be reviewable | 19:43 |
| romcheg_ | The tempest patch does not attract a lot of people unfortunatelly | 19:43 |
| romcheg_ | clarkb: Cool. Will take a look at that in the morning | 19:44 |
| devananda | romcheg_: if i understand correctly, after your infra/config patch lands, we should have some devstack tests in ironic's pipeline, yes? | 19:44 |
| romcheg_ | devananda: as we discussed previously, we will add tempest tests for Ironic for gate and check pipelines to Ironic and to the experimental pipeline for tempest | 19:45 |
| devananda | romcheg_: right | 19:45 |
| devananda | romcheg_: i'm wondering if there are any other dependencies, besides https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53917, to get it working in the ironic pipeline | 19:46 |
| romcheg_ | devananda: No, only this configuration change and the tests | 19:47 |
| devananda | great | 19:47 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | aight | 19:48 |
| devananda | look! a whole 12 mintues for open discussion today :) | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, is it part of Ironic plan's to get metrics from other devices (e.g storage arrays) just like we will be getting metrics for servers (via IPMI) ? | 19:48 |
| romcheg_ | I continuously check the tests against the latest Ironic to detect any changes that broke Ironic | 19:48 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: only devices which ironic is managing/deploying to | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | right | 19:49 |
| romcheg_ | Hopefully everything works now so as soon as those two patches landed, we will have tempest tests for Ironic | 19:49 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: there was some interest in having ironic able to deploy firmware // small OS images to network switches (eg, open compute / ODCA stuff) | 19:49 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: which I generally dont think we're ready for. but that kinda touches on the same space as your question | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | so we plan to do things on switches for e.g that would be one of the cases of devices we would be able to control using ironic? | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:49 |
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| lucasagomes | that makes sense to me | 19:50 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: the whole "configure the hardware" bit gets very wierd if ironic starts configuring switches and SAN | 19:50 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i really dont think it shoould do that. we have other services for that | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | right yea we should not start squashing a lot of things into ironic for sure | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | focused tools | 19:51 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right. OTOH, if someone wants to install a new OS on their switch, well, _that_ is Ironic's domain | 19:52 |
| devananda | but it exposes some really wierd questions | 19:52 |
| devananda | talking to Nova's API to have Ironic deploy an image from Glance onto their hardware switch, then using Neutron to configure that switch | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | yea, it's not something for icehouse for sure, but in the future we might start need to discuss things like it | 19:53 |
| devananda | but we needed some networking in order to do the deploy in the first place .... | 19:53 |
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| devananda | definitely worth longer discussions | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, another question re consistent hashing... I saw ur implementing the hashring class, we r not going to use any lib that does it already? any reasons for that, lack of py3 support? | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 for discussions | 19:54 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i found 2 py libs out there, one of which was unmaintained, and none within openstack yet | 19:55 |
| devananda | i looked at swift's hash ring | 19:55 |
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| devananda | and talked with notmyname to get some ideas, but that code is too tightly coupled to swift's particular needs | 19:55 |
| devananda | so this is coupled to our needs, and the ring code itself is pretty small | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:56 |
| devananda | the complexity is going to be in the routing and rebalancing code that I'm working on now | 19:56 |
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| lucasagomes | that has to do with the list of dead conductors? | 19:56 |
| devananda | yes | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | right yea I understand | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | good stuff :) | 19:57 |
| devananda | eg, a conductor misses a few heartbeats -- don't take it out and rebalance everything. just skip it and talk to the next replica | 19:57 |
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| devananda | i think we only need to do a full rebalance in two cases: new conductor joins the ring; admin removes a conductor from the ring | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | anything about the number of replicas? | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | I saw that they tend to use like loads of replicas to make it faster | 19:58 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: in swift, sure. in ironic, more replicas won't make deploys faster or anything | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ahh thats interesting yea, if someone joins | 19:58 |
| devananda | just means more resilience to temporary failures | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | we would need to rebalance and set the nodes to be controller by specific conductors | 19:58 |
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| devananda | rebalance will redistribute the nodes across conductors (with the appropriate drivers) | 19:59 |
| devananda | it's not a manual admin-has-to-move-nodes thing | 19:59 |
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| devananda | and the conductor<->node relationship isn't stored in the DB (apart from TaskManager locks) | 20:00 |
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| devananda | i think we'll need some good docs for the hash ring stuff | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | oh yea otherwise it would be more complicated even to do a take over | 20:00 |
| devananda | so i'm going to work on diagrams today to explain them | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | cool | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | looking fwd to see some patches coming | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | even more complicated* | 20:01 |
| devananda | i'll un-draft the patch i have once i've cleaned it up a bit | 20:01 |
| lucasagomes | great :) | 20:01 |
| devananda | anything else? we're a tad over time now | 20:02 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks all! | 20:02 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 20:02:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-12-02-19.00.html | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-12-02-19.00.txt | 20:03 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| Makdaam | hello | 20:59 |
| beagles | hi! | 20:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 20:59 |
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| roaet | hi | 20:59 |
| roaet | hope everyone had a good holiday | 20:59 |
| Swami | hi all | 20:59 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki, arosen, armax, emagana, garyk, marun, salv-orlando, SumitNaiksatam: ping | 21:00 |
| armax | hi there | 21:00 |
| arosen | Hiya! | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| emagana | hello! | 21:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Hi All! | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:00 |
| marun | hi | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 21:00:56 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements/Reminders | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements/Reminders (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:01 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | The Icehouse-1 deadline is tomorrow end of day | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | For the most part I-1 will be bug fixes and few features that didn't make Havana | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:03 | |
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| markmcclain | We have several critical bugs targeted for I-1 that are open | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | anteaya has gone through and cataloged them | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: around to cover them? | 21:03 |
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| Makdaam | he had some flight trouble as far as I heard on #openstack-neutron | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | right.. she's flying today, so we'll keep going | 21:04 |
| enikanorov | *she | 21:04 |
| Makdaam | she* | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | her takeoff time was right at the start of this meeting | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: want to update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1224001 | 21:05 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [High,In progress] | 21:05 |
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| salv-orlando | occurrences have been reduced since we reverted a patch for ml2. The root cause is the same as bug 125396 | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 125396 in vte "Xorg 100% CPU during scrolling gnome-terminal" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125396 | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | bug 1253896 | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "test_minimum_basic_scenario fails with SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253896 | 21:05 |
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| beagles | I posted a patch to the tempest test scenario for the network basic ops scenario that holds off on trying to connect until the info shows up in nova | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | thanks beagles, I will checkout this patch | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | beagles: great...thanks | 21:07 |
| beagles | I was mucking around and was desperate to see happy tests | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | happy tests are a good thing | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: want to update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251448 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in neutron "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [High,New] | 21:08 |
| mlavalle | markmcclain: yes | 21:08 |
| armax | I am still working on bug #1243726 | 21:08 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243726 in neutron "tempest failure: No more IP addresses available on network" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243726 | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: what's the update? | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | armax: thanks for continuing to work on that that bug | 21:09 |
| mlavalle | the debugging i've done indicates that a test fails to delete a network because there are ports still busy in the subnet | 21:09 |
| armax | the failure mode underlies multiple root causes | 21:09 |
| rkukura | markmcclain, mlavalle: The cases of this I've looked at seem to result from DB lock timeouts. | 21:10 |
| beagles | mlavalle: I've got something that might be good for you to look at | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: good to know | 21:10 |
| beagles | mlavalle, but I'm waiting for the local tests to run | 21:10 |
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| beagles | mlavalle, basically it adds some sanity to sync_state operations... might mitigate a bunch of that stuff | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | beagles: awesome you and mlavalle can sync up after the meeting | 21:11 |
| * beagles nods | 21:11 | |
| markmcclain | armax: since there are multiple causes | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | should we create bugs for the different causes? | 21:12 |
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| mlavalle_ | so it seems to me we have a race condition | 21:12 |
| armax | markcclain: good point | 21:12 |
| armax | I'll do that | 21:13 |
| mlavalle_ | the tempest test actually waits to verify that the vm has been deleted before attempting to delete the subnet | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | armax: thanks! | 21:13 |
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| mlavalle_ | that's where i am in regards to that bug | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle_: thanks for the update.. hopefully beagles work will help to the bottom of it | 21:14 |
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| mlavalle_ | i'll ping beagles after the meeting to see how can i help | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | perfect | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | All- Any other critical/high priority bugs the team should be tracking this week? | 21:14 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: how about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21946/ ? | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | This patch is needed for fixing security group issue | 21:15 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: +1 to that patch, that is a critical one. | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | Akihiro set this as critical, but I'm not sure nova side is merged in I1 | 21:15 |
| nati_ueno | so I'm ok to target this for I2 also | 21:16 |
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| steven-weston | nati_ueno: I can review 21946 | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | is there consensus that the way of restoring security groups is to add all those binding attributes? | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | and I was wondering if there is a nova patch too, but these are things best discussed on gerrit | 21:16 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: There was a consensus, but I'm not sure current status. | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | please link the nova review in teh comments | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: nova side patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44596/ | 21:17 |
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| steven-weston | ok | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: We have comment for nova side patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44596/ | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain | Any other bugs the team needs to track? | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | We have also discussion log in the bug report | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | perfect | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | #topic docs | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:18 |
| emagana | Hello | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | looks like you've updated the doc bug list | 21:18 |
| emagana | Let's start with Neutron wiki | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | any you'd like to highlight? | 21:18 |
| emagana | I have updated the wiki with the High Priority tickets in Docs related to Neutron: | 21:18 |
| emagana | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Docs_.28emagana.29 | 21:19 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: Will keep this section updated | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. thanks | 21:19 |
| emagana | only one bug is unassigned: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1252131 | 21:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1252131 in openstack-manuals "Neutron settings for Pacemaker out-of-date" [High,Confirmed] | 21:19 |
| emagana | uvirtbot: that one! in deed | 21:20 |
| uvirtbot | emagana: Error: "that" is not a valid command. | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | I don't recall who wrote the original docs | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | do we have a volunteer to tackle this one? | 21:21 |
| emagana | There no new features in Icehouse-1, so no more new tickets | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | if not we can work offline to find one | 21:21 |
| emagana | sorry, bugs! | 21:21 |
| emagana | markmcclain: sure! | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | emagana: thanks for updating | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | beagles: hi | 21:21 |
| beagles | Hi! | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | looks like the holiday week slowed us down a bit last week | 21:22 |
| beagles | So I was a little dumb last week thinking I was going to get some time on the nova meeting... | 21:22 |
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| beagles | it didn't happen because there wasn't a meeting because of the holiday | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | no worries happens this time of year as folks are in and out | 21:22 |
| beagles | so there is stuff that holds over from the previous things... | 21:22 |
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| beagles | it would be good if we could get one or more volunteers to document/spec out how nova deployments can be mimic'd in neutron | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | yeah agreed | 21:23 |
| beagles | I've done some rough leg work on this but I think we'll need some fine tuned stories | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | ok.. these are doc items? | 21:23 |
| sc68cal | The main problem is going to be the multi_host setups - no equivalent in neutron | 21:23 |
| beagles | sc68cal, agreed | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: right.. for now let's work on all cases but that one | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | that's going to require some other development | 21:24 |
| sc68cal | I think aveiga and I can possibly document our delpoyment, from essex & nova to our neutron based setup | 21:24 |
| beagles | sweet | 21:24 |
| sc68cal | we have some paperwork in progress for that for ipv6 reasons | 21:24 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: great | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | beagles: any other items to raise? | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | put an action item up for me to follow up | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | #action sc68cal to follow up on User Stories with beagles | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | thx | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | beagles: thanks for working on this.. feel free to post new action items to mailing list | 21:27 |
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| beagles | not really, just that tempest is kind of in the way :) so I'll be a little obnoxious with the reaching out to help ;) | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | great it's good we raise these issues early | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: hi | 21:27 |
| beagles | Sure. If no-one objects I will post a link to the milestones etherpads | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | I have updated in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron in the API section, the gap analysis I've done for API tests. The idea is that people interested in helping us to develop tests will pick from that list features they want to test | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | looks like there are lots of new reveiws this week | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | I am taking the position that we want vVERY comprehensive API test | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | we do | 21:28 |
| beagles | mlavalle, +1 | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | We could use more neutron devs, not necessarily core, reviewing these patches | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | so i'm specifying that we need as many attributes and errors as possible | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | more eyes is a good thing | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | also negative tests | 21:29 |
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| roaet | I will step up my reviews on the patches. | 21:29 |
| Sukhdev | Foks, I can help out with the reviews | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | i've made it so far through the core API and half L3 | 21:29 |
| * salv-orlando reiterates that on positive tests state transitions should be verified when applicable | 21:29 | |
| marun | ? | 21:30 |
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| dkehn | I can help as well | 21:30 |
| marun | salv-orlando: eg? | 21:30 |
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| mlavalle | salv-orlando: absolutely….. the only observation there is that those verifications will be done through the api itself | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | the router interface goes up when you attach it to a router | 21:30 |
| marun | salv-orlando: gotcha | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | that means the l3 agent has actually picked up the API command and implemented it | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | by tonight I expect to finish floating ip's | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. having some positive steps will help to narrow down the failure causes | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: great | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | any other tempest items to discuss this week? | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | I am also going to create in the neutron and tempest wiki's a how to guide for people interested in helping with API tests | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | Awesome that will be super helpful for new contributors | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | that will be done by early next week | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | I've provided an update on the mailing list for parallel and isolated testing | 21:32 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: That will be great! | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: thanks for sending out that update | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | I'm here if anybody wants to know more. | 21:32 |
| roaet | mlavalle: ping me if you need help with any of that, I'd like to help you | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | roast; perfect | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | roaet | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | that's all i have this week | 21:33 |
| enikanorov | i'd like to ask about tempest scenario tests | 21:33 |
| enikanorov | we're working on adding some for lbaas | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: go ahead | 21:33 |
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| enikanorov | the first one is on review | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov: link? | 21:34 |
| enikanorov | I think it's better to have at least some basic one merged in early i-2 since we try to push vendors to setup their third-patry testing | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: agreed | 21:34 |
| enikanorov | looking for the link | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:34 |
| Sukhdev | Can I ask a question regarding vendor plugin/ML2 driver testing? | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: sure | 21:34 |
| enikanorov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58697/ | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: thanks | 21:35 |
| Sukhdev | I am getting ready to put together testing for ML2 drivers and want to know if there is a precedence alreay in place which I can leverage from? | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: currently no one has published anything outside of the infra wiki | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | what would be a good staring point for me? | 21:37 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Want to chat offline? Ping me if so. We can share notes here. | 21:38 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: IMHO, a good starting point is getting existing Tempest tests running with your MechanismDriver. | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: can you make sure those notes make it online? | 21:38 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: thanks - will ping you offline | 21:38 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Yes, I will make sure to do that. | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | ok we're starting to run short on time | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | #topic API | 21:39 |
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| enikanorov | question on API | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I'm guessing with the critical bug work nothing new to add here? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: what's your question? | 21:39 |
| enikanorov | the previous meeting there was something about 'API deprecation cycle' or something | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: correct | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | can't remember exactly. was said about lbas | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | could you explain? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov: when we make changes | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | in fact i'm asking because I'd like to know our abilities to change the API in incompatible way | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | (sure i know that we better to avoid that) | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | we need to provide compatibility for at least one release for both variants | 21:41 |
| enikanorov | i see. makes sense | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | this will enable deployers and users to have time to update their tooling | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | will this be an isse? | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | *issue? | 21:42 |
| enikanorov | no, i dont think so | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: anything else? | 21:42 |
| enikanorov | at this point it looks like this requirement can be satisfied | 21:42 |
| geoffarnold | I assume that "at least one release" implies that longer is better... | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: good to know.. make the commit message includes the DocImpact flag | 21:43 |
| gongysh | I think for experimental features, such as fwaas, we can have some big change on API, cann't we? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | geoffarnold: where possible yes | 21:43 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: ok | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | nothing else | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | gongysh: yes.. anything released as preview or experimental is subject to change | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | mestery or rkukura: any update? | 21:44 |
| rkukura | not much new except our patches getting backed out (temporarily I hope) | 21:44 |
| rkukura | no meeting last week | 21:44 |
| mestery | Only update I have is that I've started looking into multi-node devstack testing, which ML2 will require to really be tested thorougly. | 21:44 |
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| mestery | I spoke to the qa folks in their meeting last week, will continue that tomorrow. | 21:44 |
| rkukura | weekly meetings are now Wednesday's 16:00 UTC on #openstack-meeting-alt | 21:44 |
| mestery | I guess there is no multi-node testing done for the gate at the moment, so we're blazing a new path forward here. | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: do we have an assignee to work on addressing the problem that required the revert? | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | mestery: great | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | mestery: yeah it's only single node… the addition of multi node is a good thing | 21:45 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I think tripleo also requires it, so hoping to leverage work between us and them. | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: the patch I pushed the revert for? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes | 21:46 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Do you have the link for that patch? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | mestery: awesome win for everyone | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | I think we can repush again once the patches for suppressing unnecessary notifications are merged, but I am not an ML2 expert. | 21:46 |
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| rkukura | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58827/ | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: ok.. good to know | 21:47 |
| mestery | thanks rkukura | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: thanks | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | Any other ML2 items this week? | 21:47 |
| armax | btw I can confirm that one of the problems that that patch meant to address went away | 21:47 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: Do you feel backing this out actually helped? | 21:47 |
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| armax | as soon as the revert patch landed | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | I assume you feel not | 21:47 |
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| armax | so at least it wasn't for nothing :) | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | armax: what issue is that? | 21:48 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58827/ | 21:48 |
| armax | second bug on the commit message | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | thanks | 21:48 |
| rkukura | I'm not doubting notifications are an issue in the agent, but am not clear on why that patch reduces the notifications | 21:48 |
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| armax | mlavalle: sure np | 21:48 |
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| armax | the patch that reduces notification is not 58827 | 21:49 |
| armax | salv-orlando: do you have them at hand? | 21:49 |
| rkukura | looks like the DB lock timeout issue | 21:49 |
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| salv-orlando | The patch we reverte included a call to update_port for each port in a network being deleted. due to some issues recently observed update_port always notifies the agent. But I was thinking at occurrences of bug #1253896 | 21:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "test_minimum_basic_scenario fails with SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253896 | 21:50 |
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| salv-orlando | And I do not understand enough of ML2 for making any assertion on what is good and what is bad for it. On the proposed revert we observed 5% failure rate compared with 33% of neutron jobs | 21:51 |
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| rkukura | I'm thinking the correct code (the patch) is helping expose the underlying issue that needs to be fixed | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | ok.. we're running short on time so we can continue on the ML | 21:52 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando: Lets followup on this offline | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the ML2 update | 21:52 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: I also noticed that the nature of the exceptions in 1251448 changed when the patch was reverted | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:52 |
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| sc68cal | Hello | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: meeting this week right? | 21:52 |
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| sc68cal | IPv6 work - mostly been focusing on short term needs - provider networking w/ instances configured via SLAAC, with RAs coming from a switch north of OpenStack. Required changes to iptables was merged today, and I'm working on getting the patch to disable hairpinning on the Nova side, in the VIF driver. | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | for the future, it would be good to know if the core team advises review of a ML2 core team member before approvals. | 21:53 |
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| sc68cal | Meeting this thursday, plan to discuss more medium term blueprints | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | great.. 2100UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:54 |
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| enikanorov | wanted to ask about ssl certificates | 21:54 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno has pushed a patch that adds certificate resource | 21:54 |
| enikanorov | i wanted to know if there is a consensus on storing certs in neutron DB | 21:54 |
| mlavalle | I want to get a sense as to how confident we feel the neutron tempest sprint will actually take place in January in Montreal. I want to make reservations ASAP to save my employer some money | 21:54 |
| enikanorov | we're discussing the same among lbaas folks | 21:54 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: may be we should have meeting on this | 21:54 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: would be good | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | yeah we discuss this more on the mailing list | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: when is your preference? | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: ok I'll send a mail for the openstack-dev | 21:55 |
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| enikanorov | nati_ueno: i need to think more about this | 21:55 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: could you share attributes for ssl certificate for LB? | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks.. I'd like to make discussions like this open because there security minded folks who might not attend our meetings | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | here's the thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/020785.html | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: That's make sense, let's dicuss on the mailing list | 21:56 |
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| enikanorov | security-minded olks are most welcomed in such discussions for their cons :) | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | Any other open discussion items? | 21:57 |
| Makdaam | just wanted to say hi, I'm new here and trying to understand how Neutron>ML2>ML2-agent works, so I'll probably add some PEP257 docstrings along the way | 21:57 |
| EmilienM | markmcclain: grenade status : we are working on that with jlibosva. Infra patch under review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59039/ which blocks Grenade patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58695/ | 21:57 |
| mestery | markmcclain: See mlavalle's question too :) | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | Makdaam: awesome good docstrings helpful | 21:57 |
| jlibosva | maybe it's more related to infra, isn't it? | 21:57 |
| jlibosva | the new job I mean | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | EmilienM: awesome thanks for updating | 21:58 |
| mlavalle | mestery: thanks buddy ;-) | 21:58 |
| sc68cal | Makdaam: Probably should do a wiki page - I could help - hard to learn the hard way :) | 21:58 |
| * mestery is looking at the same thing as mlavelle here. :) | 21:58 | |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: it is a go | 21:59 |
| Makdaam | sc68cal: I'll ping you later for some help, right now I'm at linuxbridge/ovs level and it's quite clear | 21:59 |
| mlavalle | cool, i'll make my reservations to be in Montreal January 15 | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: knows more info, so you've got questions feel free to reach out to here | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | *her | 21:59 |
| * mestery wonders if Montreal will have more snow than Minnesota in January ... | 22:00 | |
| Makdaam | anteaya already offered me some help :) | 22:00 |
| * markmcclain doesn't deal with snow well | 22:00 | |
| dkehn | mestery: I'm still pondering Montreal in the winter at all | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I think it will…. | 22:00 |
| * mestery will bring hats and gloves for folks from more tropical climate zones. :) | 22:01 | |
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| mlavalle | markmcclain; those Californians….. | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: I'm actually Southeast US | 22:01 |
| dkehn | mlavalle: colorado rockies | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | oh!!! | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | Ok we're at time for this week.. thanks to everyone to stopping in | 22:01 |
| dkehn | I just understand my limits in the snow | 22:01 |
| * mestery has snow falling outside his window right now. | 22:01 | |
| roaet | I love colorado! | 22:01 |
| roaet | thanks markmcclain | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | I think it a good chance to try and see whether the things about alcohol keeping you warm is true. | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | Have a great week and talk to everyone on teh ML and IRC | 22:02 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, I am scared of Montreal weather as well :-) but, considering going :-) | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 22:02:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-02-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-02-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-12-02-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuuuuuuuu | 22:02 |
| Swami | bye | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | bye | 22:02 |
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| * markmcclain heads to board his flight | 22:02 | |
| Makdaam | bye | 22:02 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 22:02 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: go to russia then | 22:02 |
| enikanorov | (in winter) | 22:02 |
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| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:03 |
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| Swami | hi | 22:04 |
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| Swami | sylvian: ping | 22:05 |
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| Swami | hi all | 22:07 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting Distributed virtual router | 22:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 2 22:07:41 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Distributed virtual router)" | 22:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 22:07 |
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| Swami | is anyone from the dvr team out there | 22:08 |
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| EmilienM | hi Swami | 22:09 |
| Swami | #info Last week updated the Google doc for North South with couple of proposal | 22:09 |
| Swami | hi | 22:09 |
| Swami | If anyone interested please review the proposal. | 22:09 |
| Swami | Last week we did not have the Wednesday meeting and this week I will be hosting the Wednesday morning meeting | 22:10 |
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| Swami | #topic Services | 22:11 |
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| Swami | Today all services are associated with the router. When we create a router and associate a service, say like VPN, does it need to run on all Compute Nodes when we configure the distributed Router | 22:12 |
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| Swami | Services should be associated with a Router and also scheduled by agent. So that we can specifically start the services or associate a service on required nodes that are running their agents | 22:15 |
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| Swami | Some services makes sense to be distributed and some services need to be centralized. | 22:17 |
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| hemanth | is the assumption that all compute nodes will have connectivity to the external network? | 22:17 |
| Swami | Does that mean that we need to add a service extension to say if it is centralized or distributed. | 22:17 |
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| Swami | hemanth: hi | 22:18 |
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| hemanth | swami: hi | 22:18 |
| Swami | Having north south connectivity for all the compute nodes will include external network on all compute nodes | 22:19 |
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| hemanth | is that a valid config....this might have already been discussed...i'm catching up | 22:21 |
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| Swami | no we are currently in the process of designing a Distributed Virtual Router that can support both East West Traffic (Intra tenant traffic) and North South Traffic(Inter Tenant Traffic) by getting rid if the single point of failure Network Node | 22:23 |
| Swami | Does it answer your question | 22:23 |
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| Swami | Add unwanted services to the compute node will also load the compute node unnecessarily | 22:26 |
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| Swami | Firewall as a service can be distributed, to apply policy on any East-West traffic, but vpn and lb can be centralized. | 22:28 |
| s3wong_ | Swami: sorry, newbie here. Will part of the dvr reference implementation eliminate the need for L3 agents? | 22:29 |
| hemanth | does the current security-groups serve the purpose of distr FWaaS | 22:30 |
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| Swami | That is exactly what we are trying to identify here. | 22:30 |
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| Swami | s3wong: If the community is ok running the Dvr and all services on all compute Nodes, then we can eliminate the L3 Agent, but still DVR will provide the L3 Agent functionality since it will be derived from it. | 22:32 |
| Swami | hemanth: security-groups may be limited subset of FWaaS. | 22:32 |
| s3wong_ | Swami: Thanks, that's exactly what I want to know | 22:33 |
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| Swami | Currently we don't have any plans to distribute the DHCP and it will continue to run on the Network Node. | 22:38 |
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| garyduan | I think L3 agent is just a way to implement a router, distributed router is a feature to extend L3 agent, not to remove it, right? | 22:39 |
| Swami | Yes DVR is an extension to the L3 Plugin, but it may have a different agent then the L3 agent. | 22:41 |
| Swami | we don't have any plans to remove the L3 agent. | 22:41 |
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| Swami | I will check with the Nachi and Summit for the Services to be centralized or distributed | 22:43 |
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| Swami | thanks for all who attended, I will continue the discussion on Wednesday morning | 22:50 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 22:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 2 22:50:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-02-22.07.html | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-02-22.07.txt | 22:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-12-02-22.07.log.html | 22:50 |
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