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| bauzas | #startmeeting climate | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 10:00:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'climate' | 10:00 |
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| bauzas | morning all | 10:00 |
| bauzas | who's there ? | 10:00 |
| DinaBelova | Hello | 10:00 |
| Nikolay_St | hello | 10:00 |
| DinaBelova | me, Nick | 10:00 |
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| scroiset | o/ | 10:01 |
| bauzas | here is the agenda for today : | 10:02 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate#Agenda_for_October.2C_28 | 10:02 |
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| bauzas | ok, starting w/o francois | 10:02 |
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| bauzas | #topic reviews triaging | 10:03 |
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| DinaBelova | Francois is trying, but I see some troubles... | 10:04 |
| bauzas | we currently have 13 open reviews | 10:04 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/climate,n,z | 10:04 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/climate,n,z | 10:04 |
| f_rossigneux | Ok I am here. | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | I think second point in agenda seems to be a part of tis one | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | this* | 10:04 |
| bauzas | I just would like to quickly go through all open reviews by order of dependencies | 10:05 |
| bauzas | get feedback from owners | 10:05 |
| bauzas | and move ahead | 10:05 |
| DinaBelova | ok, let's start with Manager https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45600/ | 10:06 |
| bauzas | the 2nd point is more a design discussion about the prolong API | 10:06 |
| bauzas | for sure | 10:06 |
| bauzas | Manager is close to be released | 10:06 |
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| bauzas | correct ? | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | yes, I think so | 10:06 |
| bauzas | nice to hear that | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | I think I'll do what Swann said | 10:06 |
| bauzas | apart of the prolong_for discussion, do you plan any improvements ? | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | and we can merge it | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | not now, really :) | 10:07 |
| bauzas | ok, let's then stick to this code | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | if there will be something needed | 10:07 |
| scroiset | DinaBelova : + | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | later | 10:07 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | the next one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296/ | 10:07 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: when will you have time for releasing patch #42 ? | 10:07 |
| bauzas | by eob today ? | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | Today | 10:07 |
| bauzas | cool | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 10:07 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:08 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296/ | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:08 |
| bauzas | I saw you rebased the patch ? | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | yes, and here you may use API v2 | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | for Keystone | 10:08 |
| bauzas | ok, we take action for testing it | 10:08 |
| bauzas | we need to glue all our stuff | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | There is only one flag | 10:09 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52294/ is using it | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | yes, and I think you need to rebase it | 10:09 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | Or I may do it myself, if you wish | 10:09 |
| scroiset | I'll do it when manager is ok | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:10 |
| bauzas | hold on, which rebase of which patch ? | 10:10 |
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| bauzas | :) | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | oops | 10:10 |
| bauzas | 52296 ? | 10:10 |
| bauzas | 52296 will need to get updated as well | 10:10 |
| bauzas | as there is a dep on the Manager | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | They all are now, I suppose | 10:11 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: could you please both release the new Manager and provide an updated patch for the utils review ? | 10:11 |
| DinaBelova | Today - yes | 10:11 |
| bauzas | ok cool | 10:11 |
| bauzas | let's move on then | 10:11 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52294/ | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | but closer to the end because we have several meetings today soon | 10:12 |
| bauzas | ok, that's not blocker for us | 10:12 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52294/ will need to get rebasesd | 10:12 |
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| bauzas | scroiset: could you please take action of rebasing it ? | 10:12 |
| scroiset | bauzas: k | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | that would be nice, yes | 10:12 |
| bauzas | cool | 10:12 |
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| bauzas | DinaBelova: Nikolay_St: could you please begin to review it ? | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | sure | 10:13 |
| bauzas | cool | 10:13 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52396/ | 10:13 |
| bauzas | also needs to be reviewed | 10:13 |
| Nikolay_St | okay | 10:14 |
| bauzas | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49363/ needs to be reviewed | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | yes, we'll do it (but I think not all today) | 10:14 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: agreed | 10:14 |
| bauzas | we can move on | 10:14 |
| bauzas | just giving visibility on which reviews are the first to glance | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | Also I think Yuriy will take part there in reviews | 10:15 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:15 |
| bauzas | nice to hear that :) | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay, what do you have for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52903/ ? | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay_St | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | We need to rebase it, i suppose | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | what status do you have now for it? | 10:16 |
| Nikolay_St | so | 10:16 |
| Nikolay_St | I'm working on it and it close to the end | 10:17 |
| bauzas | Nikolay_St: when do you please to deliver the next patchset ? | 10:17 |
| Nikolay_St | today | 10:17 |
| bauzas | cool | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | Also Nick is working now on Manager's test | 10:18 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | tests | 10:18 |
| Nikolay_St | on Friday | 10:18 |
| bauzas | nice to hear that | 10:18 |
| Nikolay_St | and I suppose tomorrow I'll publish it | 10:18 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | As for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48002/ | 10:19 |
| DinaBelova | It is trust support | 10:19 |
| bauzas | yep | 10:19 |
| DinaBelova | It should be only rebased, I think | 10:19 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:19 |
| DinaBelova | as far as I remember | 10:19 |
| bauzas | ok, then I let you provide a rebase and we'll review it by end of the week | 10:20 |
| DinaBelova | And then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49142/ - also with Swann's comments | 10:20 |
| Nikolay_St | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50696/ - what about it? | 10:20 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay_St, there are errors now there | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | because of nova dependency | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | And I'm looking for the solution now | 10:21 |
| bauzas | for this week, I would stick to focus on delivering the Manager code and review the patches we mentioned earlier | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | oh | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | no error I see | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, of cource | 10:22 |
| DinaBelova | course* | 10:22 |
| bauzas | ok, cool | 10:22 |
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| bauzas | btw, please note Friday is a French day off | 10:22 |
| Nikolay_St | bauzas: sounds good | 10:22 |
| DinaBelova | As for events handling | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50332/ | 10:23 |
| bauzas | this one is validated | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | I think I'll rebase it | 10:23 |
| bauzas | yup, we need to | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | and we'll merge it? | 10:23 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:23 |
| bauzas | I already gave a +2 | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | cool, | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | sounds nice | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:24 |
| bauzas | ok, let's close the reviews triage then | 10:24 |
| bauzas | just putting an action | 10:24 |
| bauzas | no other urgent reviews to discuss ? | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Summit agenda | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | mmm | 10:24 |
| DinaBelova | ok, Sylvain do it please | 10:25 |
| bauzas | #action Manager review to be delivered EOB todays and deps being rebased | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | As we've finished with 1st and 2nd point | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 10:26 |
| bauzas | #action Reviews of 52296, 52294, 52903, 52396 and 49363 this week as priority | 10:26 |
| bauzas | #topic Update API | 10:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update API (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:27 | |
| bauzas | sounds there is a confusion for the Update API capability | 10:27 |
| bauzas | with the prolong_for parameter | 10:27 |
| bauzas | what do we agree ? | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | I think we've finished with it - i'll fix Swann's comments | 10:28 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:28 |
| bauzas | thanks | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | So I suppose today that will be fixed | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | and new patch will be on review | 10:28 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | 42nd :D | 10:28 |
| bauzas | no action to be done then | 10:29 |
| bauzas | #topic Summit agenda | 10:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit agenda (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:29 | |
| DinaBelova | let's move to the summit agenda | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 10:29 |
| bauzas | so, Francois and I will be present at the Summit | 10:29 |
| bauzas | Patrick will also be part of | 10:29 |
| bauzas | unfortunately, Swann can't :( | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | Yes, we know about it | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | Nick and are are preparing unconference talk | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | and I * | 10:30 |
| bauzas | I saw your email | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | good | 10:30 |
| bauzas | I can also talk to Francois and Julien | 10:30 |
| bauzas | oops | 10:30 |
| bauzas | Thierry and Julien | 10:30 |
| bauzas | do you have some slides to share with me ? | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | --> <bauzas> unfortunately, Swann can't :( - yeah, sorry to read it | 10:31 |
| scroiset | DinaBelova: next time :) | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | I think we'll share them in a few days | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | scroiset, yep | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 10:31 |
| bauzas | ok, my concern is just to make sure we're on the same page :) | 10:31 |
| bauzas | I want to prevent duplicate work :) | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | I thing I'll share them with you on Google Drive | 10:32 |
| bauzas | that would be nice :) | 10:32 |
| DinaBelova | and we'll fix all moments we have different thoughts on | 10:32 |
| bauzas | I think that shouldn't be hard, we are quite having the same ideas | 10:32 |
| bauzas | but my concern is more likely, whick kind of audience do you target ? | 10:33 |
| bauzas | users or developers ? | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | If you have some already written ideas, I may include them to slides | 10:33 |
| jd__ | o/ | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | i think that it should be less development. really | 10:33 |
| bauzas | I was planning to talk about our use cases | 10:33 |
| bauzas | hi jd__ | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | because unconference audience is almost random | 10:34 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, hello | 10:34 |
| bauzas | ok, we're then on the same page :) | 10:34 |
| DinaBelova | cool | 10:34 |
| Nikolay_St | jd__: hi | 10:34 |
| bauzas | but yep, I can put my thoughts on your g docs | 10:34 |
| jd__ | we had a pretty good audience last time we did an unconference about Climate | 10:34 |
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| bauzas | cool | 10:34 |
| jd__ | that may be better than nothing, it can be announce on openstack-dev when we have a slot | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, that's cool | 10:35 |
| bauzas | jd__: that sounds reasonable :) | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, great | 10:35 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: when do you target to put your slides on Google ? | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | as i said before, few days. I hope tommorow evening | 10:36 |
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| bauzas | DinaBelova: ok | 10:36 |
| bauzas | maybe we could do a phonecall on Thur | 10:36 |
| DinaBelova | Sounds good | 10:36 |
| bauzas | so as to quickly go on right before the Summit | 10:36 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:36 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, i think we'll look on what page we'll be on to Thur | 10:37 |
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| bauzas | #action DinaBelova bauzas Prepare unconference talk about Climate | 10:37 |
| jd__ | I'll check if I can pre-book an unconference slot | 10:37 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: ok, let me know by email | 10:37 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:37 |
| bauzas | that would be awesome jd__ | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | thank you, jd__ | 10:38 |
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| bauzas | any other topics to discuss about the Summit ? | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | i think that's it with summit | 10:38 |
| bauzas | I can give you my Sched.orh agenda | 10:38 |
| Nikolay_St | I want to remember you that we also have some sort of live demo to the summit | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | would be nice | 10:38 |
| DinaBelova | for virtual instances use case, of cource | 10:39 |
| DinaBelova | course* | 10:39 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:39 |
| bauzas | ok, I think we're done with this topic | 10:40 |
| bauzas | any other things to discuss about ? | 10:40 |
| DinaBelova | Do we have something else to discuss? | 10:40 |
| DinaBelova | oh | 10:40 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 10:40 |
| bauzas | #topic Open discussion | 10:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:40 | |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, I think we've done with almost everything | 10:41 |
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| DinaBelova | do you have something else? | 10:41 |
| bauzas | just a fyi, we're planning to POC the physical host reservation by mid-end november | 10:41 |
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| DinaBelova | Would be great | 10:42 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, will you publish meeting minutes or I'll do it myself? | 10:42 |
| bauzas | no need, eavesdrop is doing it pretty well :) | 10:42 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:42 |
| bauzas | when do you plan to arrive in HK ? | 10:43 |
| DinaBelova | November, 4th | 10:44 |
| DinaBelova | about 11 AM in HK | 10:44 |
| DinaBelova | as far as I remember | 10:44 |
| DinaBelova | and you, guys? | 10:44 |
| bauzas | around 3pm | 10:44 |
| bauzas | local time | 10:45 |
| f_rossigneux | November, 4th, at 11:50 | 10:45 |
| bauzas | on 4th too | 10:45 |
| DinaBelova | ok, nice | 10:45 |
| bauzas | ok, it would be nice if we could still have an IRC meeting | 10:45 |
| DinaBelova | i think we'll try at least :D | 10:45 |
| bauzas | the point is, Monday the 11st of November is also day off for French ppl | 10:46 |
| DinaBelova | ok, got it | 10:46 |
| bauzas | meaning that if we can't do a weekly talk by next week, it will postpone our meeting by 3 weeks | 10:47 |
| bauzas | from now | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | ok, understood | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | I think we'll organise it | 10:47 |
| DinaBelova | and hold like today | 10:47 |
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| DinaBelova | I think that's it | 10:48 |
| DinaBelova | something else to discuss? | 10:48 |
| bauzas | let's discuss that off, you're right | 10:48 |
| bauzas | nope, that's it for me | 10:48 |
| bauzas | others ? | 10:48 |
| DinaBelova | f_rossigneux, scroiset? | 10:48 |
| scroiset | nope | 10:49 |
| bauzas | ok, closing the meeting then | 10:49 |
| bauzas | thanks all | 10:49 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 10:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 10:49:14 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-10-28-10.00.html | 10:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-10-28-10.00.txt | 10:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-10-28-10.00.log.html | 10:49 |
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| rakhmerov | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | let's start a Mistral meeting? | 16:00 |
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| ativelkov | Hi | 16:00 |
| ativelkov | Let's start, yeah | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 16:00:49 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | So let's review the action items from the previous week first | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | "rakhmerov, collect use cases and publish them on wiki" | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | it's done | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral#Use_cases | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | however, it now has a detailed description only for one use case: Cloud Cron | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | others are described really briefly | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #info rakhmerov and stanlagun are working on detailed description of use cases: Long-running Business Process and Post Deployment Configuration (working name) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | next item | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | "stanlagun (with rakhmerov's help) to finish Q&A document that covers use cases, relations with other frameworks, existing services, development plans etc" | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral#FAQ | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | this section will be populated periodically | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | next item | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | "stanlagun to describe the possible ways of executing particular actions on VMs in the tech specification" | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | this is in progress and, in fact, is a part of the other one | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | "Renat and Stan finish the modified specification and share it with the community" which is in progress too | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | "Renat, Stan, Timur to synchronize DSL and REST API with the latest conceptual changes" was assigned as an ongoing AI since the discussion keeps going on how it all should look like | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | any questions on that? | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | so basically, the team keeps working on DSL/API spec and it will take I believe around 1.5-2 weeks (due to the summit, otherwise it could be done earlier) | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, stanlagun, tsufiev, keep working on DSL/API Mistral specification | 16:12 |
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| ativelkov | On the summit we'll be able to share some insight with the community and get some feedback ) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | exactly | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | we're hoping to clarify lots of things that may not be clear now for many people | 16:14 |
| tsufiev | rakhmerov: as for me, I currently almost completely occupied with upcoming Murano 0.4 release | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | tsufiev: sure, no problem | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | the fact that I mentioned you in AI doesn't mean you have to forget about everything else :) I would rather hope to get your input on some results | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | it should be valueable for us | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | at the summit we're also planning to talk with harlowja and his team (TaskFlow folks) and use this chance to sync our vision and most of the technical details | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Advanced use cases | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | I included this agenda item in case some people want to ask additional questions on project mission, use cases | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | if you have some, please fire away :) | 16:17 |
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| tsufiev | rakhmerov: ok, I'm keeping an eye all your recent use-case proposals :) | 16:18 |
| ativelkov | I don't have any questions, but I've got an idea of a new good use-cases | 16:18 |
| tsufiev | rakhmerov: ok, I'm keeping an eye on all your recent use-case proposals :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | Like I said before, we're now intensively working on describing additional use cases and we're going to share this information soon in both mailing lists and wiki | 16:18 |
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| igormarnat | Renat, I don't have advanced use cases out of top of my head but wanted to ask you about the areas war are going to prototype of beginning | 16:19 |
| igormarnat | Are we going to have some part of the meeting for that? Or you can describe this now? | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | we have an item "Start discussing development plans" so let's postpone it for a bit | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | ativelkov: what's your idea? Could you share pls? | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, finish detailed description of "Long-running Business Process" use case | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | #action stanlagun, finish detailed description of "Post Deployment Configuration" use case | 16:21 |
| ativelkov | Last several days I was trying to build a murano workflow for advanced networking scenario: I had a network, a router, a subnet, several servers in it. I needed to connect all this stuff into a different network. | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | yep | 16:21 |
| ativelkov | This should be done in Heat, but it is unable to do it in one step | 16:21 |
| ativelkov | you first have to "unplug" the networks, then create a new configuration | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean by "one step"? | 16:22 |
| ativelkov | Well, you cannot do a single stack-update command | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | gotcha | 16:22 |
| ativelkov | so, you have to first create a "temporary" heat stack | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | update an existing stack to this temporary state | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | and then update the temporary to the final | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | quite a tricky thing | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, I see | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | especially if you have some optional steps and parts of the templates | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | do you think Mistral could be useful for that? | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | and this is not a bug in Heat or seomthing - that's "as designed" for Heat | 16:23 |
| ativelkov | yes, Mistral would be very appropriate for such scenarios | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | is it representable in a form of a task graph? | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:24 |
| ativelkov | Yeah, I think so | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | could you prepare a couple of paragraphs containing what you've just told us but a little bit more detailed? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | it's definitely not urgent but it may be included on our wiki some time later | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I know you guys are really busy with other things but humbly hoping to get this info from you :) | 16:26 |
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| ativelkov | Yes, I need to finish this feature in current Murano conductor - and this has to be done before the summit | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:26 |
| ativelkov | But I'll try to formalize it on the paper somewhere | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #action ativelkov, collect the info about use case related to setting up a network (not a high priority) | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | so, let's move on | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | #topic What is left on documentation (use cases, DSL, API) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | I think we've done some good job since the last meeting on writing docs | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | however, we still have a lot of things to do | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | complete use cases and complete the initial version of DSL/API specification | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | this is in our action items already | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | if you have other things to mention please let us know | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | I would say the crutial thing that is left is the technical spec: DSL/API | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | we'll get it done in a couple of weeks I believe, after the summit | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | *crucial | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | as far as the design and the implementation, it will be populated simultaneously with the corresponding work | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | which I hope will start pretty soon | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | anything else on that? | 16:32 |
| katyafervent | Do you update wiki or ether pads? | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | katyafervent: not sure what you mean :) | 16:33 |
| katyafervent | do ypu publish docs on openstack wiki? | 16:33 |
| katyafervent | *you | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, yes, sure | 16:33 |
| katyafervent | great) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | it already has lots of good information | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | I also added a back reference to Mistral from Convection proposal (harlowja was ok with that) so that people know it's started | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Convection#PROPOSAL_ONLY:_TaskSystem-as-a-Service_.28Convection.29 | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | may be we should emphasize it even more clearly | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | so, the next topic | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Start discussing development plans | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so, my plan was to start sketching out a Roadmap this week | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | and I actually did start doing that today | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | but don't have too much to share yet, only some fragments | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | however, we have lots of ideas in mind that we need to formalize somewhere | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | first of all, I would suggest we finish DSL/API documentation and polish it out with other interested folks | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | it'll be the most important step towards the beginning of development | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | at the same time we have resources to start prototyping some of our ideas in parallel | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | this is NikolayM | 16:42 |
| igormarnat__ | Great, now we come back to the topic I was asking:) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes, right :) | 16:42 |
| igormarnat__ | So what's the plan, what do we prototype first? | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | well, I would suggest we start with the basic things we'll need in ether case. Like very simple DSL grammar and the parser for it | 16:44 |
| ativelkov | Hm | 16:44 |
| ativelkov | I would suggest to start from the engine | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | in that regard we had an idea of automatic REST APIs clients generation and inclusion into DSL | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | ativelkov: yes, I'm telling now about the things that may become an interesting part of our spec but we're not sure about them yet since it requires some hands-on testing | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | the order of the things may be different | 16:46 |
| ativelkov | I mean, we may try testing some things without having DSL | 16:46 |
| ativelkov | by just defining the task flows manually | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean by "manually"? | 16:47 |
| ativelkov | Well, by defining tasks by python code in tests | 16:47 |
| ativelkov | or something like this | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | yes, sure | 16:47 |
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| ativelkov | I mean DSL parser is easy to implement - you just need a complete spec | 16:48 |
| ativelkov | and you do not need to prototype it ) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. I guess you didn't get what I told on 100% :) | 16:48 |
| ativelkov | while prototyping the engine (context passing and data flow, dependency analysis etc) may require some PoC | 16:48 |
| ativelkov | may be ) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I didn't mean to implement DSL fully | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | only some interesting ideas we have regarding it | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | just to be able to complete the spec | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | overall, I agree with you: we'll start with the engine and the model (tasks, dependencies, actions) as the first serious dev item | 16:50 |
| ativelkov | ok :) Thanks for making this clear | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | but thanks for this note, it does make sense for sure | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | just wanna repeat: I have just a fragmentary vision on how we're going to approach our development, I just see some risky things I'd try before start the serious work | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | it's all up to discussion | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | and I would like to clarify that by the next meeting actually :) | 16:53 |
| igormarnat__ | It's fine, I think I've got the idea. Are there topics uncovered yet for today? | 16:54 |
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| ativelkov | we have a vision sync up with Y! in 5 minutes, don't we& | 16:54 |
| ativelkov | ?* | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, prepare the first version of Roadmap and the development plan | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | yes, we do | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:54 |
| ativelkov | not from my side | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:55 |
| igormarnat__ | I'm also done | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | see you all soon | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 16:56:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-28-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-28-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-10-28-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| jaypipes | boris-42: rally meeting? | 17:04 |
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| boris-42 | jaypipes hi | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | jaypipes it is tomorrow | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | jypipes but if you would like to discuss it I am ready=0 | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | boris-42: doh! :) sorry about that... no, no worries, I will likely just be a fly on the wall... | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes btw we have irc chat #openstack-rally | 17:19 |
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| jaypipes | cool, good to know, thx :) | 17:21 |
| morganfainberg | oooh good, i thought i missed the rally meeting, i was going to be sad. | 17:22 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 19:02:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | that was bad | 19:02 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:02 |
| devananda | who's here? | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | o\ | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | \o* | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | O/ | 19:02 |
| dkehn | here | 19:02 |
| romcheg | I'm here with Germans and Aztecs who do not want to trade with me =/ | 19:02 |
| rloo | here | 19:02 |
| devananda | also - this will be our last pre-summit meeting, so I'd like to focus on that | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | one announcement: | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | Ironic would like to welcome lucasagomes as a core member. | 19:03 |
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| romcheg | Congratulations! | 19:03 |
| devananda | indeed. welcome and grats, lucas! | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | ohh thank you all! | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | I'm really happy, and hope I will do a good work as part of the core team :) | 19:04 |
| rloo | lucasagomes, you deserve it. I thought you were a core member already ;) | 19:04 |
| devananda | so, anyone here today and *not* going to be in HKG? | 19:04 |
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| devananda | i'd like everyone to have a voice in the design summit, even if they can't be present | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) awesome look forward to meeting everyone | 19:05 |
| devananda | so if you can't make it, please contact me. -- and if everyone here will be there, awesome! | 19:06 |
| devananda | as far as sessions, we only were allocated 5 slots | 19:06 |
| devananda | so i had to merge a few and reject a few that i'd really prefer to have time to talk about .... | 19:06 |
| devananda | and want to thank everyone who submitted a session or shared ideas with someone who did | 19:07 |
| devananda | the timing is still being adjsuted | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | saw the email to the list this morning | 19:07 |
| devananda | as we spot conflicts with sessions in other tracks (nova, cinder, etc) | 19:07 |
| romcheg | devananda: I saw you commented on my session but did not reject it | 19:07 |
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| devananda | romcheg: yes. i think that one is merged | 19:08 |
| romcheg | So both mine and yours are Scheduled | 19:08 |
| romcheg | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/57 | 19:08 |
| romcheg | it says it scheduled | 19:08 |
| devananda | yep | 19:08 |
| devananda | the design summit schedule is being kep separate from the main sched this year, and the link will go out soon | 19:08 |
| romcheg | Ah, ok then | 19:09 |
| devananda | but basically, all our stuff is thursday 2 - 6pm | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: the ether pad link? | 19:09 |
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| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads#Ironic | 19:11 |
| devananda | if you've got a session, please start putting some things in the etherpad | 19:11 |
| devananda | we will work from those once there, capture notes, outcomes, etc | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | will do | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | seems devananda just dropped | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | ouch | 19:15 |
| dkehn | cue crickets | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | he's working on getting back on | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | looks like I will try and add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseIronicNodeCommunication | 19:16 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | I'll add some stuff to the ironic next steps | 19:16 |
| devananda | back | 19:16 |
| * devananda kicks the wireless gnomes | 19:17 | |
| devananda | so, next week - no meeting | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | if there are any thoughts on node communication please add to that ether pad | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | WB devananda | 19:17 |
| devananda | i'll be in HKG a bit early,a nd lots of folks will probably be travelling | 19:17 |
| romcheg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseIronicNodeCommunication | 19:17 |
| romcheg | now better | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | TY romcheg | 19:17 |
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| devananda | the week after that, we probably won't have a meeting again, as we'll have all just been meeting f2f and tired from the flights home :) | 19:18 |
| romcheg | devananda: when do you arrive and where are you going to live? | 19:18 |
| devananda | skycity marriot. i get in sunday night | 19:18 |
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| romcheg | I also arrive Nov 3rd | 19:19 |
| * NobodyCam thinks thats where he is staying | 19:19 | |
| lucasagomes | romcheg: ur staying at novotel right? anyone else staying there as well? | 19:19 |
| devananda | so -- i'd like to open the room to a general discussiona bout the summit, our tracks, other tracks, etc | 19:19 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion about the hong kong summit | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion about the hong kong summit (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:19 | |
| romcheg | devananda: lucasagomes AFAIR | 19:19 |
| GheRivero | any news about the hoodies? | 19:20 |
| devananda | hoodies are purchased | 19:20 |
| devananda | FallenPegasus is arranging shipping/etc, but i don thave details on that | 19:21 |
| GheRivero | :) | 19:21 |
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| devananda | this will be the first summit for several of you, yes? | 19:21 |
| romcheg | For me — yes | 19:22 |
| rloo | moi aussi | 19:22 |
| devananda | any general questions, feel free to ask here or ping me privately | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | anyone know when the tuskvar tracks planned for? | 19:22 |
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| devananda | checking | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | yes for me as well | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam: not sure, will try to find out | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | lol and we lost deva again | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | any have anything to talk about with reguards to HK | 19:29 |
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| romcheg1 | Ahh, I got dropped | 19:30 |
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| romcheg1 | What did I miss? | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | nothing | 19:30 |
| devananda | sendmsg: buffer full | 19:30 |
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| devananda | haven't seen taht on my laptop before | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | romcheg1: dropped too | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | prob not you | 19:30 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: you asked about tuskar -- they do not have a track | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | anyone else drop? | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh :) | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: and they do not seem to have any specific sessions within the tripleo track, though, | 19:31 |
| devananda | i do see a few sessions in horizon that may be related to tuskar | 19:31 |
| devananda | again, things are still being shuffled, so the timing's not certain | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:31 |
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| lucasagomes | yea I'm asking on #tripleo now | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | lots of drops | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | something up with the net | 19:32 |
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| devananda | we haev one track in the ceilometer sessions on tuesday, exposing ipmi data | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | k | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | http://www.internetpulse.net/ | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | just fyi | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | centery link to version dropping packets | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | Century even | 19:34 |
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| devananda | ah | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam: http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/tripleo+%28deployment%29#.Um68fTO9gUw | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | tripleo/tuskar | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | :) lucasagomes awesome TY | 19:36 |
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| devananda | if folks dont have any questions, we can call this somewhat a short meeting | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | seems slow | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | but people may have dropped | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | we can field any remaining questions in #channel | 19:39 |
| romcheg | Who have been in Hong Kong previously? | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | not I | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | never been to asia at all | 19:40 |
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| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:40 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:41 |
| romcheg | Just the right time! | 19:41 |
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| romcheg | I just see here http://www.customs.gov.hk/en/passenger_clearance/prohibited_controlled/ that antibiotics are prohibited / controlled items. So I wonder how can I go there with my pills | 19:41 |
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| NobodyCam | ieek | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | romcheg: urgh... I think there might be a way to declare before hand | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | that you're bringing it with u | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: do you know how to do that? | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | trying to find out | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | http://www.customs.gov.hk/en/trade_facilitation/prohibited_articles/index.html | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | maybe | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | https://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/passenger/departure/all/airport-security-faq.html#new_q15 | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | maybe as well ^ | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | http://www.customs.gov.hk/en/trade_facilitation/prohibited_articles/imports/pharmaceutical/index.html | 19:47 |
| * devananda was jsut about to link that | 19:47 | |
| NobodyCam | para #2 | 19:48 |
| devananda | quantities fo rpersonal use and with a prescription from a dr are probably fine | 19:48 |
| devananda | except for controlled or dangerous substances (http://www.customs.gov.hk/en/trade_facilitation/prohibited_articles/imports/drugs/index.html) | 19:48 |
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| devananda | ok, we seem to have digressed -- let's continue in -ironic as necessary | 19:49 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 19:49 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 19:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 19:49:48 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-28-19.02.html | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-28-19.02.txt | 19:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-10-28-19.02.log.html | 19:49 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 20:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 20:59 |
| armax | hello | 20:59 |
| arosen | hiyaaa | 20:59 |
| dkehn | hi | 20:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
| mestery | hi | 21:00 |
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| Swami | Hi all | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | Let's get started | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 21:02:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #announcements | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #topic announcements | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | Our track schedule has been posted | 21:03 |
| enikanorov_ | cool. | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | We really had a lot of good submissions | 21:03 |
| mestery | Thanks markmcclain, I imagine that took a good part of your weekend. :) | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: it did | 21:04 |
| mestery | Much appreciated and great work! | 21:04 |
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| geoffarnold | Many thanks for the hard work on this | 21:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | +1 | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | I know some of you hoped for full sessions, but there was not enough space | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | so if you're sharing a slot each person will get 20 mins | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | we'll have a few more shared sessions than last time | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #info Session proposers should create etherpads for their session | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Once your etherpad is created please link it to the Icehouse etherpad wiki | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Icehouse/Etherpads | 21:08 |
| emagana | sorry I am late | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | I'll be posting the neutron section after the meeting | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | If there's a conflict with a session I need to to know as soon as possible | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | the closer we get to the summit the hard it is fix conflicts | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | Any summit schedule questions? | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: no worries | 21:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: will you be posting the exact schedule (with the date/time)? | 21:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on etherpad? or somewhere else? | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: Yes it is already posted | 21:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh my bad | 21:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the last time i checked i did not find it | 21:11 |
| enikanorov_ | http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/neutron | 21:11 |
| mestery | markmcclain: If there is a conflict, should we contact you offline? | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | the cdn has a slight delay | 21:11 |
| Swami | markmcclain: I have a conflict with the time scheduled for Distributed Virtual Router, I do have another general session at the same time. Can I swap the slot with someone else | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | Swami: sorry I missed that conflict..I'll move it because there are others that want to participate | 21:12 |
| Swami | markmcclain: Are you planning to move to a different slot other than the 11.a.m slot | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | yes | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | hi sorry late | 21:13 |
| Swami | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: thanks, got it now | 21:14 |
| mestery | Can we move the "Network Mini Session" at 9:50 AM Friday? It conflicts with a panel I am on, and since it relates to ML2, I'd like to particiipate. | 21:15 |
| beagles | o/ sorry, late | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | mestery: yes | 21:16 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Thank you. Keep in mind rkukura and I are also presenting on ML2 Friday at 11 in case you wer ethinking of swapping into that slot. :) | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I have no idea with us having Thursday off why they scheduled so many conflicts on Friday | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the heads up on the 11 conflict | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | I'm really excited for the discussions next week we'll be covering a lot of interesting ground | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | #topic summit session reminders | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | Please try to have your etherpad structured prior to the summit | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | if you're needing inspiration I'll post a basic template tomorrow to help structure | 21:20 |
| beagles | tks! | 21:20 |
| enikanorov_ | would be great. where are you going to post it? | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | In general I'd like to avoid power point, keynote, etc | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: I'll create an etherpad and then everyone can copy/paste from it | 21:21 |
| enikanorov_ | so the common source of image on the whiteboard will be etherpad, right? | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | I'll post the link in the mailing list | 21:21 |
| geoffarnold | For joint sessions, one Etherpad, or one session pad linking to multiple sub-session pads? | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | yes we should be able to project the etherpad in the room | 21:21 |
| enikanorov_ | ok | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | I'd prefer one etherpad per topic | 21:22 |
| geoffarnold | Trade off ease of navigation vs. coordination | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | unless the mini sessions are 100% overlapping | 21:22 |
| geoffarnold | OK, I'll work with Bob on ours | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | geoffarnold: in your case ideally we should have 2 etherpads | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | the split pads help in case I have to rearrange the schedule a bit more | 21:23 |
| geoffarnold | OK, no problem. But Bob and I will still coordinate | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | perfect | 21:23 |
| geoffarnold | Thanks. Almost finished refactoring the original BP | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | at the summit we'll be fairly strict on the schedule to give folks the freedom to move been the summit and conference | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | and have enough time to change rooms | 21:24 |
| geoffarnold | Will you be bringing the gong? | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | haha.. no.. I'll be a little more subtle | 21:25 |
| beagles | kind of like the music they play at awards shows when the victor's time is up? | 21:26 |
| beagles | I'd like "Crazy Train" please | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | beagles: done | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | For those topics that need more time or idea that in the incubation stage | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | there will be unconference time | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: when is that scheduled for? | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | I'll set aside 5 minutes in the morning and after lunch eat day for those that want to announce those sessions to the room | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: ok thanks | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: typically it will run at the same time as the summit track | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so it will be across the projects | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | and the sessions usually fill up | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain | if so, you can also coordinate to meet up in another space in the facility | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | #topic bugs | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | These are the critical bugs that we're still carrying | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | the newest one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1243726 | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1243726 | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | was triggered by some increased levels of isolation testing | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | the isolation tests are very helpful as the better replicate real world scenarios | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | Any other critical bugs the team needs to be made aware of? | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | #topic Upcoming Meetings | 21:34 |
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| nati_ueno | armax: do you have time for discussing 1243726? I wanna know more on your solution on dhcp | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:34 |
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| armax | nati_ueno: sure | 21:34 |
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| mestery | Also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1240066 | 21:34 |
| nati_ueno | armax: Thanks i'll ping you later | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | mestery: that bug is embargoed | 21:34 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Whoops, sorry about that. | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | no worries.. let discuss offline | 21:35 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Will do. | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | For everyone else's benefit the bug is an initial report on an issue with a security impact | 21:36 |
| enikanorov_ | so it's not visible yet? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: correct.. one the risk assessment is complete we'll either open the bug, close it, or recruit devs to fix if it is sensitive enough | 21:37 |
| enikanorov_ | i see | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | Any other bugs we need to talk about? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | #topic Upcoming Meetings | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | #info No Neutron IRC meeting November 4th | 21:40 |
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| Swami | We will be having a Distributed Virtual Router today discussion after this meeting | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | #info No Neutron IRC meeting November 11th | 21:41 |
| geoffarnold | My anticipated jet-lag thanks you | 21:41 |
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| Swami | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Distributed-Virtual-Router | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | Also, we're at the time of the year where different regions switch to/from summer time | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | so on the 18th we'll still be meeting at 2100 UTC | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 1 PM PDT? | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | wanted to take a quick poll of how many folks will be around on Monday | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | when we have beer session? | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: you were reading my mind | 21:45 |
| geoffarnold | I'll be there | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: haha | 21:45 |
| enikanorov_ | i'll be there as well | 21:45 |
| beagles | flight gets in around 2030h | 21:45 |
| * mestery will be there. | 21:46 | |
| rkukura | I get in Sunday evening | 21:46 |
| mestery | Sunday evening for me too, but very late (11PM) | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | I'll be on Monday at 2:10pm | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I'll work to setup an informal gathering on Monday evening | 21:47 |
| pcm_ | Sunday, but want to sight see monday! | 21:47 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: +1 | 21:47 |
| geoffarnold | I'm saving the following Saturday for sight-seeing (Lantau Buddha, anyone?) | 21:47 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | Once we have the details I'll send an email to the ml | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | Any other items for Open Discussion? | 21:49 |
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| geoffarnold | Just noted no Design Summit session on ODL. Un-conference topic? | 21:50 |
| geoffarnold | (ODL or other SDN controllers) | 21:51 |
| mestery | geoffarnold: Likely part of the ML2 discussions I think. | 21:51 |
| geoffarnold | OK | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | Everyone have a great rest of the week and I'll see most of you in Hong Kong. | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 21:52:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-28-21.02.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-28-21.02.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-28-21.02.log.html | 21:52 |
| emagana | ciao.. see you all next week! | 21:52 |
| mestery | bye folks, see you in Hong Kong next week! | 21:52 |
| enikanorov_ | see you, bye all | 21:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there is still advance services' meeting tomorrow at 8.30 AM PDT | 21:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to plan for the summit | 21:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | also FWaaS meeting on Wednesday at 11 AM | 21:54 |
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| Swami | Rajeev: Hi | 21:57 |
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| Rajeev | Hi Swami | 21:59 |
| Swami | Hi all | 21:59 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting Distributed-Virtual-Router | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 22:01:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 22:01 |
| Swami | Hi all | 22:01 |
| safchain | Hi | 22:01 |
| geoffarnold | Hi | 22:01 |
| jamiec | Hi | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 22:01 |
| Swami | This is the session to discuss the Distributed Virtual Router | 22:01 |
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| jayahn | HI | 22:01 |
| Swami | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Distributed-Virtual-Router | 22:01 |
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| Swami | Link to the Etherpad discussion page | 22:02 |
| Swami | Is Robin Wang around | 22:03 |
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| Swami | Folks the plan here is to review the blueprints and to plan for the Hong Kong summit sessions | 22:04 |
| nextone92 | Hi guys! | 22:04 |
| Swami | Does anyone have any questions | 22:04 |
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| Swami | #announcements This will be an ongoing discussion that will continue even after the summit | 22:06 |
| EmilienM | Swami: do you have some code ? | 22:06 |
| EmilienM | I mean, basic code to show something at the summit ? | 22:06 |
| nextone92 | Based on the document, the primary reason for introducing the extension is too define a communication path between the brain and the dvr instances | 22:06 |
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| nextone92 | is that a correct understanding? | 22:07 |
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| Swami | EmilienM: I don't think we need to submit any code for the summit | 22:07 |
| geoffarnold | Not needed, but useful | 22:08 |
| EmilienM | Swami: not submit, but a short demo of your thoughts i would mean | 22:08 |
| geoffarnold | Demo is often good clarification | 22:08 |
| Swami | In the summit we will discuss our ideas and proposals and then get the approval from the openstack community and prioritize the acitivities | 22:08 |
| EmilienM | for example, we worked on VRRP features here, and we come with some basic code to accelerate design session | 22:08 |
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| EmilienM | Swami: make sense | 22:08 |
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| Swami | nextone92: Yes the primary reason for an extension is to get the data that we need to populate the brain. The brain will in turn populate the dvr instances through the Agent. | 22:09 |
| geoffarnold | I'd really like to see more details on the use cases, especially those involving compliance and heterogeneous configurations | 22:10 |
| EmilienM | so you want an agent | 22:10 |
| Swami | geoffarnold: Thanks, yes we need more details on the use cases, and we will update the blueprint with the use case details. | 22:11 |
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| nextone92 | what data do you need that's not part of routing data already, is it the which compute node hosts which vm? | 22:11 |
| Swami | geoffarnold: The first release should target on the intra-tenant routing options. | 22:12 |
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| geoffarnold | I agree that intra-tenant is the sweet spot. Interoperation at the edge is where it gets tricky ;-) | 22:12 |
| EmilienM | maybe something like "l3-population" ? | 22:13 |
| Swami | nextone92: Yes that is one data such as the host to vm relationship, the other data that we need is to identify the VNI to the internal vlan assignment. | 22:13 |
| geoffarnold | That's why nailing down the use cases (what's in and out of scope) is so critical | 22:13 |
| ericloo | hi, i agreed with geoffarnold. we need to consider interoperating with edge is in the user case discussion. | 22:13 |
| geoffarnold | And how it's expressed (both in API and operational policy) | 22:13 |
| Swami | geoffarnold: yes, that is the reason for this discussion | 22:14 |
| geoffarnold | Excellent | 22:14 |
| nextone92 | since not every vm interconnect uses vlan, will this be generic enough to work with vxlan or gre? | 22:14 |
| Swami | Please feel free to add your input to the Etherpad that is created for the Distributed Virtual Router. | 22:14 |
| geoffarnold | If you can pre-populate the ether pad with use case diagrams ahead of time, that will help | 22:14 |
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| Swami | How many of us will be there in Hong Kong next week. | 22:15 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 22:15 |
| geoffarnold | Moi | 22:15 |
| Swami | I will be there. | 22:15 |
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| nextone92 | I will be there, soaking in all the info :) | 22:15 |
| Swami | #action Swami: Add use cases to the Etherpad | 22:15 |
| * carl_baldwin will be there | 22:15 | |
| safchain | I'll be there | 22:15 |
| * haleyb as well | 22:16 | |
| jamiec | will be | 22:16 |
| Swami | Currently the DVR session is scheduled for Friday November 8th at 11.a.m, but it is subjectable to change. | 22:17 |
| Swami | The DVR discussion is going to be strictly "Etherpad" only. No slidedecks. | 22:17 |
| ericloo | i will be there | 22:17 |
| Rajeev | How long is the session ? | 22:17 |
| Swami | Each session is around 50minutes | 22:17 |
| nextone92 | cool! | 22:17 |
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| rkukura | I'm not really involved in this yet, but am wondering if integrating it via the ML2 plugin makes sense? | 22:18 |
| geoffarnold | Anyone planning any unconference activities in this space? | 22:18 |
| safchain | We worked on a mechanism driver (l2population) which populates fdb entries to l2 agent, maybe it could be extended for that purpose | 22:18 |
| jayahn | will be | 22:18 |
| andrewkong | just for talking about use cases that not enough time | 22:18 |
| geoffarnold | That's why I'd like an unconference on use cases ahead of the session if possible | 22:19 |
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| andrewkong | cool | 22:19 |
| Swami | rkukura: Yes there are more L2 dependencies with the local routing so it will have some hooks into the L2 plugin.(ML2) | 22:19 |
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| jamiec | geoff: good idea | 22:19 |
| EmilienM | safchain: that would totally make sense | 22:19 |
| ericloo | i am ok with unconference to discuss | 22:19 |
| Rajeev | safchain: does the mechanism driver have any datamodel extensions too ? | 22:19 |
| jayahn | unconference seems good idea | 22:19 |
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| Swami | geoffarnold: Thanks for bringing it up, yes before our session we need to plan for an unconference session so that we are well prepared on what we are planning to propose | 22:20 |
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| safchain | Rajeev, no datamodel extension, it only uses ml2 plugin | 22:20 |
| Swami | #agreed Unconference | 22:20 |
| rkukura | Would like to attend your session, but mestery and I will be doing a summit session on ML2 at the same time | 22:21 |
| geoffarnold | Maybe finalize details at the Monday beer session that Mark is organizing | 22:21 |
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| geoffarnold | Flag that conflict to Mark. He's juggling | 22:21 |
| Swami | rkukura: Yes I have already informed Mark mcClain about the conflict, since I have a conflict with a general session. | 22:21 |
| Swami | So it would be changed | 22:21 |
| Swami | I will let everyone know about the session timing once it is changed. | 22:22 |
| rkukura | thanks | 22:22 |
| nextone92 | could you send a mailing list update when you finalize the time | 22:22 |
| nextone92 | thanks! | 22:23 |
| Swami | #action Swami: Will let everyone know about the DVR timeslot | 22:23 |
| Swami | DVR Plugin versus L3 Extension for DVR, which one do you guys perfer | 22:24 |
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| ericloo | i prefer DVR plugin | 22:25 |
| Swami | geoffarnold: Sorry I will be missing the beer session since I will land late Monday evening in hong kong. | 22:25 |
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| geoffarnold | Plugin may be too high a level for complex configurations. This is starting to look like LBaaS pattern, with plugin/drivers | 22:26 |
| andrewkong | i prefer l3 extention | 22:26 |
| Swami | ericloo: So you mean that you would like to have a separate DVR plugin apart from the existing L3 Plugin. | 22:26 |
| ericloo | yes, i prefer this way. | 22:27 |
| geoffarnold | We need to bring in mastery et al to discuss L3 refactoring | 22:27 |
| jamiec | swami: if you're asking about re-use of existing L3 - then that would be preferable if design allows | 22:27 |
| geoffarnold | Trouble with reuse of existing L3 is that you wind up with stacked interceptors (as in DNRM prototype) which people hate | 22:28 |
| geoffarnold | Clean refactoring is better | 22:28 |
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| Swami | geoffarnold: Extensions are quick to implement on top of the current L3-Plugin. But the agent need to be a different than the L3 agent. | 22:29 |
| safchain | Maybe it is the time to refactor the existing l3 to have mechanism drivers like in the ml2 | 22:29 |
| Rajeev | geoffarnold, does either model make it easier to make brain aware of router events such as interface add ? | 22:29 |
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| geoffarnold | Yes | 22:30 |
| geoffarnold | But that's not useful without more detail ;-) | 22:30 |
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| geoffarnold | That's why I come back to the use cases | 22:31 |
| Swami | For simplicity the DVR will just do the local routing and this should be the target use case of our first release. | 22:31 |
| geoffarnold | Apologies: I have to step away for a while. | 22:31 |
| Swami | Any services associated with L3, such as LBaaS, VPN, External Net should be done at the Network Node. | 22:32 |
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| ericloo | makes sense | 22:34 |
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| Swami | Do everyone agree on the initial use case and assumptions | 22:34 |
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| nextone92 | it's a good start! | 22:34 |
| carl_baldwin | As the initial use case, yes. | 22:34 |
| safchain | safchain, agree with the initial use case | 22:35 |
| ericloo | Swami, one question, does security group rules on DVR as well? | 22:35 |
| ericloo | sorry i meant DVR need to be aware of security group rules. | 22:36 |
| Swami | Yes security group rules should still be supported at the DVR level. But definitely we are not targetting to support the FWaaS at the DVR. | 22:36 |
| haleyb | Swami: i'd like to see External Net on the DVR as well... eventually | 22:36 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yes we need to identify the use case for the External Net on the DVR | 22:37 |
| ericloo | yes, haleyb's suggestion makes sense to me, it should be in the usercase. | 22:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Security groups handled at the instance port, not l3. Right? | 22:38 |
| Swami | haleyb: Can you brief the use case that you are talking about have the External Net on the DVR | 22:38 |
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| haleyb | the simple example is that i have more tenants than bandwidth through a network node | 22:38 |
| haleyb | it gets back to the old nova multi_host | 22:39 |
| Swami | haleyb: This is like Network Node load sharing. | 22:39 |
| jamiec | haleyb: that's pretty much our original use case as well | 22:40 |
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| jamiec | no network node at all | 22:40 |
| haleyb | north-south in your drawing, in addition to east-west | 22:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Ext-net at Dvr could reduce network hops and latency. | 22:41 |
| carl_baldwin | But, I agree that intra-tenant is a good starting point. | 22:41 |
| haleyb | agree | 22:41 |
| ericloo | i think there is case that DVR need to interoperate with External Net router? maybe not in the first phase. | 22:42 |
| Swami | Yes good suggestions, we can definitely take a look at what might take to have the Ext-net at the DVR level. | 22:43 |
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| Swami | My worry is if we have the Ext-net at the DVR, then the other services may also be at the DVR. | 22:43 |
| safchain | the current l3 is a SPOF, I think the HA should alse be addressed in the case of ext-net at the dvr | 22:44 |
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| haleyb | As long as this initial change doesn't preclude that in the future i'm fine (the ext-net) | 22:44 |
| ericloo | what other services? FW? | 22:45 |
| Swami | #agreed For the first release let us just focus on the intra-tenant routing by the DVR | 22:45 |
| Swami | #topic DVR scheduler | 22:47 |
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| Swami | Do we need a DVR agent scheduler similar to the L3 Agent scheduler | 22:47 |
| ericloo | Swami, do u mean the brain scheduler? :) | 22:49 |
| EmilienM | Swami: no, current implementation use Random only. We are working on a "Least Routers" scheduler which aims to schedule a router where a L3 hosts the least router number | 22:49 |
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| EmilienM | my patch is in progress | 22:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Dvr should be scheduled on same host as port I think. | 22:50 |
| Rajeev | The DVR agent would be present in each node so could be treated similar to L-2 agent as far as having a scheduler is concerned ? | 22:50 |
| Swami | ericloo: yes | 22:50 |
| safchain | I don't think we need a scheduler, we need to notify all the dvr agent, and let dvr do their job | 22:51 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks | 22:51 |
| EmilienM | safchain: +1 | 22:51 |
| andrewkong | that's one way | 22:51 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Yes the dvr should be scheduled on the host | 22:52 |
| ericloo | from security perspective, i prefer to have a scheduler. | 22:52 |
| EmilienM | safchain: 'all', does it scales ? | 22:52 |
| EmilienM | just wondering | 22:52 |
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| andrewkong | @ericloo can you be more specific over your worries | 22:53 |
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| safchain | Swami, I'll add to the etherpad the blueprint link about l2population since the dvr design could be similar to the dvr design, agree ? | 22:54 |
| safchain | I mean, regarding to the rpc calls | 22:54 |
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| Swami | nextone92: Sorry I missed your message, yes our dvr design should address vlans, vxlan and gre | 22:55 |
| Rajeev | ericloo: can you please expand on how security is influenced by having scheduler? | 22:55 |
| Swami | safchain: yes go ahead and add your blueprint. | 22:55 |
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| Swami | #topic OVS or LinuxBridge | 22:56 |
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| andrewkong | from the scale-out perspective, if one scheduler make every rpc call by the filter or algorithm, it will be performance bottleneck. | 22:56 |
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| Swami | For the first release we are planning to go with just the OVS support, does anyone have any concerns or preference of one over the other | 22:57 |
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| andrewkong | i prefer OVS and linuxbridge support at the same time :D | 22:58 |
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| Swami | andrewkong: why do you think you need both OVS and Linuxbridge at the same time, can't it be separated and added in the next release | 22:59 |
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| andrewkong | maybe i'm kind of selfish, i'm linux-bridge for our cloud ^^ | 23:00 |
| carl_baldwin | How much code can be common and how much needs to be plugin specific? | 23:00 |
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| EmilienM | l2-population work on both, i don't understand why for L3 we have to make a choice | 23:01 |
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| andrewkong | i think it's related with l2 layers DB | 23:01 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Basically the hooks that we are planning to add for the DVR dataplane module will vary open using either Linux-bridge or OVS. | 23:01 |
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| Swami | EmilienM: This is basically we will be touching some OVS rules for packet forwarding and recieving. | 23:02 |
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| Swami | Folks I think we are out of time here. | 23:03 |
| andrewkong | Really? common.. ^^ | 23:03 |
| Rajeev | Swami, thanks for organizing this meeting. | 23:03 |
| safchain | Swami, yes thanks for the meeting | 23:04 |
| Swami | Before I close the session, for persons who are visiting Hong Kong we need to discuss this in more detail before the summit session and I will send an update on time and day. | 23:04 |
| Swami | Please feel free to add your inputs into the Etherpad and we will discuss the Etherpad in the session. | 23:04 |
| EmilienM | Swami: let us know on the ML | 23:04 |
| andrewkong | thank you for all. | 23:04 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for participating | 23:04 |
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| Swami | Next week there will not be a meeting at this time, but we can continue on the following week, week of Nov 11th. | 23:05 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 23:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 23:05:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-10-28-22.01.html | 23:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-10-28-22.01.txt | 23:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-10-28-22.01.log.html | 23:05 |
| Swami | bye | 23:05 |
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