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| annegentle_ | hey anyone here for the doc team meeting? | 13:01 |
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| summerlong | hey there :) | 13:01 |
| radsy | howdy | 13:01 |
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| sgordon | >.> | 13:01 |
| annegentle_ | hiya hiya | 13:02 |
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| annegentle_ | #startmeeting Doc/Web Team Meeting | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 13:02:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'doc_web_team_meeting' | 13:02 |
| annegentle_ | hey glad to see everyone | 13:02 |
| annegentle_ | Agenda is here | 13:02 |
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| annegentle_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:02 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 13:02 |
| annegentle_ | First item up is the action items from last time | 13:02 |
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| annegentle_ | This one's done: AJaeger to remove Networking Admin Guide builds and links | 13:03 |
| annegentle_ | Thanks Ajaeger! Oh I guess he's not here. | 13:03 |
| annegentle_ | This one's done too, dianefleming to patch Cloud Administrator Guide for new title | 13:03 |
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| annegentle_ | And I did this one: annegentle discuss Install patches with Shaunm | 13:04 |
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| annegentle_ | And this one: annegentle to add Conventions to the reviewers guidelines | 13:04 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Reviewing_Documentation | 13:04 |
| annegentle_ | That's it for action items | 13:05 |
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| annegentle_ | Oh I should've set the topic to reviewing action items. Ah well. | 13:05 |
| annegentle_ | Next item: Install guides | 13:05 |
| annegentle_ | #topic Install guides | 13:05 |
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| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50118 | 13:06 |
| annegentle_ | it passes the gate now but definitely needs the rest of the outline filled in | 13:06 |
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| annegentle_ | Looks like shaunm isn't here to fill in details but he did write to the mailing list with details | 13:06 |
| annegentle_ | ah, welcome AJaeger! | 13:06 |
| nermina | anything we can do, annegentle_? | 13:07 |
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| annegentle_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-October/002936.html | 13:07 |
| nermina | like repurposing the old material? | 13:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, sorry, mixed up times | 13:07 |
| annegentle_ | here's the latest status ^^^ | 13:07 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: no worries | 13:07 |
| annegentle_ | I am considering just pushing through the install guide patch we have and parceling out the work, what do you all think? | 13:08 |
| sgordon | yes... | 13:08 |
| nermina | +1 | 13:08 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: did say he'd take the OpenSUSE | 13:08 |
| sgordon | it really needs to be merged so we can all play | 13:08 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: yep | 13:08 |
| summerlong | +1 | 13:08 |
| NickChase | +1 | 13:08 |
| annegentle_ | I'm good with that too | 13:08 |
| annegentle_ | Okay. | 13:08 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, if you mean openSUSE with lowercase "o" - yes, I do. | 13:08 |
| sgordon | :) | 13:09 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: hee hee yes I do yes :) | 13:09 |
| nermina | the bullets could be turned into bugs, annegentle_ | 13:09 |
| AJaeger | and I'm fine with pushing it through. That'S the only way for us to work together on it. | 13:09 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: ok, you and me +2 it and it's done | 13:09 |
| annegentle_ | Who would like to take the Overview and Sample Arch? What has happened in past releases is Ken Pepple has given us the diagrams for the release, but not usually until the summit | 13:09 |
| annegentle_ | kpepple: happen to be around? Are you doing Havana arch diagrams? | 13:10 |
| nermina | don't we have that in ch_getstarted? | 13:10 |
| annegentle_ | I can take the short conceptual overview of Glance | 13:10 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: yeah I think so | 13:10 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: just didn't know the state of the diagram | 13:10 |
| nermina | mirantis updated the graphic | 13:10 |
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| annegentle_ | nermina: oh fantastic | 13:10 |
| summerlong | I have an updated diagram with heat/ceilometer | 13:11 |
| annegentle_ | summerlong: oh very good, let's use that | 13:11 |
| summerlong | was in the last RH install guide. | 13:11 |
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| annegentle_ | #action Merge in install guide as-is | 13:11 |
| summerlong | when they were still tech preview. | 13:11 |
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| annegentle_ | summerlong: is it like this? (conceputal) http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/conceptual-architecture.html | 13:12 |
| annegentle_ | summerlong: or logical? http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/logical-architecture.html | 13:12 |
| nermina | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/ch_getting-started-with-openstack.html | 13:12 |
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| nermina | for conceptual | 13:13 |
| summerlong | hmm, components rather. | 13:13 |
| annegentle_ | I think we need both, eventually, but at least components for release | 13:13 |
| nermina | components are already there in ch_getstarted | 13:13 |
| summerlong | yes, conceptual then | 13:13 |
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| annegentle_ | nermina: ok looks good | 13:14 |
| summerlong | looks like that can be used. | 13:14 |
| nermina | we need to update the logical still and i'll push for it | 13:14 |
| annegentle_ | looks like there's a need for cinder install chapter | 13:14 |
| annegentle_ | there is stuff in grizzly for that | 13:14 |
| annegentle_ | and we will need to know how Solly Ross is getting along with Neutron, anyone know him? | 13:15 |
| annegentle_ | I would also be willing to take the Swift chapter | 13:15 |
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| nermina | need someone to move the stuff from the old, annegentle_? i could do it. | 13:15 |
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| annegentle_ | #action annegentle to work on glance conceptual intro, and swift install | 13:15 |
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| annegentle_ | nermina: well also need to test the old, is that do-able? | 13:15 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, should we use some etherpad/wiki for documenting what needs to be done and who sigend up? | 13:16 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: i can help you too with that | 13:16 |
| nermina | won't be done by release, but it could be a continuous work | 13:16 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: yes, let's use https://etherpad.openstack.org/havanainstall | 13:16 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/havanainstall | 13:16 |
| NickChase | annegentle_: we can test | 13:16 |
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| annegentle_ | NickChase: ok, cool | 13:17 |
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| annegentle_ | Ok adding names next to items in that etherpad | 13:17 |
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| NickChase | (At least, I think we can. If we run into issues I'll let you know. :)) | 13:17 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: are you able to take in the KVM config? | 13:17 |
| nermina | yes | 13:17 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: yep, understood! :) Shaun bought two laptops and 2 USB NICs for testing | 13:18 |
| annegentle_ | Ok let's have Shaun do the basic network stuff to allow access to booted images | 13:18 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: do you have Cinder setup and can you test those instructions from Grizzly? | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: i have swift + ubuntu 12.04 grizzly | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | swift+keystone | 13:19 |
| summerlong | annegentle: Can look at the Cinder chapter, have havana | 13:19 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: oh! Ok cool, can you review my patch then? | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | sure | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: we need to sync the keystone user/pass when we are adding it to other components | 13:20 |
| annegentle_ | Ok, anyone want to do a patch for the booting and playing around with images? | 13:20 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: oh good point | 13:20 |
| annegentle_ | Anyone want the Cinder chapter? There is grizzly stuff, just a matter of testing and patching | 13:21 |
| nermina | i'll take cinder | 13:21 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: thanks! | 13:21 |
| nermina | np | 13:21 |
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| annegentle_ | oh nermina can you also take the Overview using the Getting Started stuff you did? | 13:22 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: so someone has to come up with keystone deployment chapter first & let us know the convention he/she is using | 13:22 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: might be just an xi:include really | 13:22 |
| nermina | yes | 13:22 |
| nermina | indeed | 13:22 |
| koolhead17 | so we can use same with other component | 13:22 |
| summerlong | annegentle: can do the Images check. | 13:22 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: keystone is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50118/ so yeah just make sure you check what's there | 13:22 |
| annegentle_ | summerlong: awesome thanks | 13:23 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: let me go through it | 13:23 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: okie | 13:23 |
| annegentle_ | alright anything else? I know that leaves Neutron kind of in the hands of someone not here, but, what else should we do to mitigate that risk? | 13:23 |
| nermina | annegentle_ confirming | 13:24 |
| AJaeger | btw. current install guide has 38 pdf pages | 13:24 |
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| koolhead17 | AJaeger: ^^ | 13:24 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: ee, lightweight, is that good or bad? | 13:24 |
| * AJaeger will go through all 38 pages and check that we didn't miss anything | 13:25 | |
| nermina | i saw a team come across the launch pad wanting to correct neutron, annegentle_ | 13:25 |
| nermina | follow up, perhaps? | 13:25 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: oh for sure, were they logging bugs in launchpad or were they on the list or? | 13:25 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, the basic install guide had the same amount, so it looks a bit light - but there's also some stuff missing as we discussed | 13:25 |
| nermina | list, i believe. need to check. | 13:25 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: yeah okay | 13:25 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: ok thanks | 13:25 |
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| annegentle_ | shall we meet again next week to stay on top of the install guide and release? | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: i don`t have RHEL to test. | 13:26 |
| NickChase | +1 | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | so the redhat part needs to be reviewed someone else | 13:26 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: ok | 13:26 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: good, will put it on the calendar | 13:26 |
| nermina | +1 | 13:26 |
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| AJaeger | can we ask sgordon to look at RHEL? | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | AJaeger: yups sounds perfect | 13:27 |
| annegentle_ | or summerlong? | 13:27 |
| sgordon | or both ;) | 13:27 |
| radsy | I have RHEL here | 13:27 |
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| annegentle_ | ok yes all the testers we can get! | 13:27 |
| sgordon | probably worth building a PDF and linking it from the RDO forum | 13:27 |
| annegentle_ | thanks radsy | 13:27 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: good idea | 13:27 |
| summerlong | I have RHEL :), just trying to see what needs doing by koolhead17 | 13:27 |
| AJaeger | sgordon, the PDF is ready - justdownload it from docs.o.o/trunk | 13:28 |
| annegentle_ | I know it still feels a long way off but we are in much better shape for havana install than we were with grizzly | 13:28 |
| koolhead17 | summerlong: the commands/pkgs i would assume :D | 13:28 |
| radsy | is this for the basic install guide? | 13:28 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: it sounds like shaun tested fedora first | 13:28 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: and is looking for ubuntu testing | 13:29 |
| annegentle_ | but yeah to testing all of it :) | 13:29 |
| AJaeger | radsy, there'S no basic install guide anymore, only *the* Install Guide | 13:29 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: sgordon is fedora/RDO pkg same? | 13:29 |
| AJaeger | See docs.openstack.org/trunk for the list of guides | 13:29 |
| annegentle_ | ok, any questions? | 13:29 |
| * koolhead17 is confused | 13:29 | |
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| * summerlong is too. Lots of input before a once-through testing can be done? | 13:30 | |
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| annegentle_ | summerlong: I think a once-through is not yet possible with what landed today | 13:30 |
| summerlong | annegentle_: yes, which is why I was asking about specifics? | 13:31 |
| annegentle_ | summerlong: ah yes. koolhead17 just asks for distro helpers all the time :) | 13:31 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: your wish has come true, look at all the help! | 13:32 |
| summerlong | :) | 13:32 |
| * koolhead17 is dancing | 13:32 | |
| koolhead17 | summerlong: so RDO & Yum repo for fedora/RH are same correct? | 13:32 |
| annegentle_ | I would like to know if packaging is the same for rhel and fedora | 13:32 |
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| koolhead17 | ditto | 13:32 |
| annegentle_ | is it RDO everywhere? | 13:33 |
| radsy | koolhead17, http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/openstack-install-guide-yum-trunk.pdf is the doc? I am happy to help review on a RHEL 6.4 machine. | 13:33 |
| summerlong | RDO is the distro. | 13:33 |
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| AJaeger | radsy, yes that's the pdf | 13:34 |
| annegentle_ | thanks radsy | 13:34 |
| koolhead17 | summerlong: radsy so when we are talking about install pkg what should we focus on | 13:34 |
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| koolhead17 | yum repo for openstack | 13:34 |
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| summerlong | koolhead17: http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-havana/ | 13:35 |
| radsy | http://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart talks about RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, and links to http://rdo.fedorapeople.org/ for all | 13:35 |
| radsy | summerlong's link, actually | 13:36 |
| koolhead17 | summerlong: radsy i would request you guys to double check the patch once it lands so it works for fedora/RH/Centos all 3 | 13:36 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 13:36 |
| summerlong | kk, put us on as reviewers? | 13:36 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: ^^ | 13:36 |
| annegentle_ | sure | 13:37 |
| annegentle_ | Ok better keep moving, let's move on to the next topic, doc tools. | 13:37 |
| annegentle_ | #topic Doc Tools Update | 13:37 |
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| annegentle_ | The maven plugin is now at 1.11.0, so we'll try to standardize on that for Havana, but we did just do a sweep for 1.10.0 | 13:37 |
| annegentle_ | But, I'd like to use 1.11.0 to get the "log a bug" link on each page | 13:37 |
| annegentle_ | Sound good? | 13:37 |
| AJaeger | Yes! | 13:37 |
| summerlong | +1 | 13:38 |
| NickChase | +1 | 13:38 |
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| annegentle_ | woo! Yet another great outcome from docs boot camp | 13:39 |
| NickChase | definitely | 13:39 |
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| AJaeger | Another note: The gating has changed, we use now tools/test.py. For details see http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2013/10/improving-openstack-documentation-build.html | 13:40 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: oh thank you for blogging that! | 13:40 |
| annegentle_ | #link http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2013/10/improving-openstack-documentation-build.html | 13:40 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: you are doing a lot of what we talked about at boot camp, even with out attending, so it's like you're a mind reader | 13:41 |
| nermina | thanks, ajaeger | 13:41 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, I'm long enough around in Open Source communities ... | 13:41 |
| summerlong | a jaeger, --check-niceness is my new best friend. | 13:42 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: you picked up mind reading from open source, that's a success story :) | 13:42 |
| nermina | :) | 13:42 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, a miracle ;) | 13:42 |
| koolhead17 | AJaeger: nice | 13:42 |
| annegentle_ | Ok, that's all I had on doc tools | 13:42 |
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| annegentle_ | #topic Bug reports and DocImpact | 13:42 |
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| annegentle_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/havana | 13:43 |
| AJaeger | If you notice anything wrong with the tools, just ping me | 13:43 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+milestone/havana | 13:43 |
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| annegentle_ | Again, here we are in much better shape than last release and I'm comfortable with releasing docs with code, but there are still undocumented features | 13:43 |
| annegentle_ | I also thought I'd talk about release notes | 13:43 |
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| annegentle_ | Some DocImpact things are also release note items, previously the PTLs did all the release notes on the wiki, and I think that'll continue | 13:44 |
| sgordon | release notes also kinds of leads to *shudder* upgrades | 13:44 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: ooh shiver | 13:44 |
| sgordon | we have a generic process/task in the ops guide obviously but each release their are per-project gotchas we need to beat out of the PTLs | 13:44 |
| annegentle_ | also ttx makes sure release notes are done | 13:44 |
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| annegentle_ | Examples: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Folsom | 13:45 |
| annegentle_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly | 13:45 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 13:45 |
| annegentle_ | ^^ those are the ones for this release | 13:45 |
| uvirtbot | annegentle_: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 13:45 |
| annegentle_ | so far Keystone has the best start | 13:45 |
| annegentle_ | do you have suggestions for how/if we should help? I sense that we have good data from DocImpact | 13:46 |
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| annegentle_ | I'll let you all read for a bit :) | 13:46 |
| nermina | annegentle_, this should be ready for the release, no doubt. we need to try to interview ptls. | 13:47 |
| NickChase | I'm actually putting together a "what's new in Havana" piece and having the devil's own time getting information | 13:47 |
| AJaeger | annegentle_, shouldn't we add a section about Documentation up there as well and point out the new manuals? | 13:47 |
| NickChase | word is the release notes aren't guaranteed until the 17th | 13:47 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: yes it's not easy, please do figure out how to use that in the official rel notes | 13:47 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: oh great idea | 13:47 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: right not at all | 13:48 |
| annegentle_ | AJaeger: are you up for that or do you want me to do it? | 13:48 |
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| AJaeger | What about I'll do the first shot - and you clean up afterwards? | 13:48 |
| NickChase | annegentle_: use what in the release notes? "Whats new" or docimpact? | 13:48 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: it's a judgement call, but docimpact is a great starting point to look for new features | 13:49 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: blueprints for each project is also a good way to spelunk | 13:49 |
| NickChase | blueprints is what we're doing, actually | 13:49 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: and mostly it's about new features and pitfalls/gotchas | 13:49 |
| NickChase | in fact, I have an update meeting on that in 10 minutes. :) | 13:49 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: heh | 13:49 |
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| NickChase | there were several hundred to wade through. :( | 13:49 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: right, I know how it is -- and this release is staggering | 13:50 |
| nermina | get on their agendas and let them talk about items point by point | 13:50 |
| NickChase | nermina: if necessary; but they're so busy I don't know if we'll even be able to. | 13:51 |
| NickChase | but I'll have a better idea fater this next meeting. | 13:51 |
| nermina | they do meet on irc :) | 13:51 |
| annegentle_ | nermina: yes that's always helpful, also an easier catchall is the weekly release meeting on Tuesdays at 4:00 CST | 13:51 |
| sgordon | fwiw i have been tasked independently with going through nova blueprints | 13:51 |
| NickChase | after, even. :) | 13:51 |
| sgordon | there are ~90 of them implemented for havana | 13:51 |
| NickChase | nermina: details, details. :) good idea, thanks. | 13:51 |
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| sgordon | but i can probably put together a reasonable "this is what's new" at least for that project | 13:51 |
| annegentle_ | my sense of the doc bugs is that they could be grouped, like all Xen, all Neutron, and we use tags for that | 13:51 |
| annegentle_ | so I feel good about the release (other than the usual nervousness about the install guide) | 13:52 |
| NickChase | sgordon: I would be eternally grateful | 13:52 |
| annegentle_ | any questions about doc bugs, docimpact? release notes? | 13:52 |
| koolhead17 | NickChase: http://status.openstack.org/release/ << this is your friend | 13:52 |
| koolhead17 | :D | 13:52 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: oh there's a good idea | 13:52 |
| NickChase | koolkead17: yes, that's what we're using, thanks. :) | 13:53 |
| sgordon | annegentle_, perhaps worth picking up a project each if people are free? a lot of the blueprints are low-quality in terms of detail but the groupings quickly become obvious | 13:53 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: it's still intimidating as hell to try to distill :) | 13:53 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: hahaha | 13:53 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: yes, great idea | 13:53 |
| nermina | sgordon, good idea | 13:53 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: which did you already do? | 13:53 |
| sgordon | annegentle_, working through nova | 13:53 |
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| NickChase | great idea | 13:54 |
| sgordon | i dumped the list of implemented blueprints and a spreadsheet and am working on grouping them up into areas | 13:54 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: oh yeah nova (I need to read better!) :) | 13:54 |
| sgordon | like "cells", "scheduler" etc | 13:54 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: great idea | 13:54 |
| annegentle_ | I'll take glance | 13:54 |
| NickChase | I think we are doing Neutron | 13:54 |
| annegentle_ | #action sgordon to share patterns for nova | 13:54 |
| annegentle_ | #action annegentle to dive into glance new features for release notes | 13:54 |
| NickChase | That is, i think that's what I'm going to see shortly | 13:54 |
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| annegentle_ | #action NickChase deep dive into Neutron new features | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | I like it | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | Ok, let's circle back next week with our findings? Sound good? | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | anyone else want swift? | 13:55 |
| NickChase | wonderful. | 13:55 |
| sgordon | +! | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | ceilometer? heat? | 13:55 |
| sgordon | +1 | 13:55 |
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| nermina | i could take ceilometer | 13:55 |
| summerlong | NickChase: since am working on the Image chapter, will look at those new features | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | #action nermina to study ceilometer features for rel notes | 13:55 |
| NickChase | summerlong: thank you | 13:55 |
| annegentle_ | summerlong: ok great | 13:55 |
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| annegentle_ | #action summerlong to look at Glance new features (not annegentle) | 13:56 |
| annegentle_ | how do I cancel a previous action? Hrmity | 13:56 |
| NickChase | maybe #inaction ? (sorry, jk) | 13:56 |
| sgordon | #undo | 13:56 |
| sgordon | i think | 13:56 |
| annegentle_ | #undo #action annegentle to dive into glance new features for release notes | 13:56 |
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| nermina | lol at nickchase | 13:56 |
| annegentle_ | NICE | 13:56 |
| nermina | indeed | 13:57 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: do you have a list of new Swift featuers already? | 13:57 |
| annegentle_ | for 1.9.0 | 13:57 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: not yet. i will ping notmyname | 13:57 |
| annegentle_ | koolhead17: ok thanks | 13:57 |
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| annegentle_ | #action koolhead17 to ask Swift PTL notmyname for feature set for release notes | 13:58 |
| annegentle_ | ok, we're nearing top of the hour and I want to open it up | 13:58 |
| annegentle_ | wait, summit planning | 13:58 |
| annegentle_ | #topic Summit planning | 13:58 |
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| annegentle_ | I'll be in Hong Kong, and we have 4 slots for docs | 13:58 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: is there deadline for getting the notes? | 13:59 |
| koolhead17 | like a day or two brfore 17th correct | 13:59 |
| annegentle_ | I reserved one for translation, Tom has two in for restructure and automation, then Everett Toews has one about documenting app dev resources | 13:59 |
| NickChase | which would be next Tuesday's meeting | 13:59 |
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| annegentle_ | koolhead17: yes, Oct 15th would be grand, most other PTLs sound like they're aiming for Oct 17 | 14:00 |
| annegentle_ | NickChase: yep | 14:00 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle_: thanks | 14:00 |
| annegentle_ | so, if you won't be in hong kong, do send blueprints for discussion on the list | 14:00 |
| annegentle_ | like Diane and AJaeger are doing, those are good examples | 14:00 |
| annegentle_ | and I'd be glad to get more proposals for the summit | 14:01 |
| annegentle_ | not to look too far ahead with the release barrelling at us :) | 14:01 |
| sgordon | summer and i will both be in hong kong, still working out scheduling myself :) | 14:01 |
| annegentle_ | sgordon: WOO! | 14:01 |
| annegentle_ | our slot is first thing after the keynotes Tues | 14:01 |
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| koolhead17 | cool | 14:02 |
| annegentle_ | Ok, sorry to go over, I'll open it up to discussion in #openstack-doc so that the training team can meet | 14:02 |
| annegentle_ | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
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| garyk | hi, you guys aaround for the scheduling meeting | 15:01 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | I am | 15:01 |
| alaski | hi | 15:01 |
| Yathi | Hi | 15:02 |
| garyk | cool. lets give the others a few min to join | 15:02 |
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| garyk | ok, guess here goes | 15:03 |
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| garyk | #startmeeting scheduling | 15:03 |
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| garyk | over the last week Yathi, Mike and Debu have been working on what we discussed last week | 15:04 |
| MikeSpreitzer | BTW, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler points to "Scheduler" meetings, not "Scheduling" | 15:04 |
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| garyk | oops. my bad | 15:04 |
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| garyk | #startmeeting Scheduler | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 15:04:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is garyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:05 |
| MikeSpreitzer | BTW, same mistake was made several weeks in the past; can we add pointer at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler ? | 15:05 |
| garyk | hopefully that will be better (sorry for missing it) | 15:05 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Otherwise people will not find typescripts from those meetings. | 15:05 |
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| garyk | i am not really sure about how to do that. on the mail list i have sent links to the summary of the meetings. maybe that will help | 15:05 |
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| garyk | so over the last week Ytahi, Mike and Debu have been working on https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:06 |
| PaulMurray | hi - sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| MikeSpreitzer | It's better than nothing, but people should not have to search the mail archive to find pointers that belong in the wiki | 15:06 |
| garyk | MikeSpreitzer: agreed. my bad | 15:06 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK, 'nuff said here | 15:07 |
| MikeSpreitzer | On with the interesting discussion! | 15:07 |
| garyk | do people want to discuss the above and the ideas proposed | 15:07 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | As you see in the ML, I do. Is Sylvia here? | 15:07 |
| garyk | in addition to this i think that we need to make sure that russellb is aware of the etherpad with the suggested summit talks | 15:07 |
| Yathi | I shared a document yesterday on the instance group model | 15:07 |
| Yathi | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:07 |
| Yathi | I am not share if you had a chance to look at it yet | 15:08 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm sorry, I meant Sylvain | 15:08 |
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| garyk | Yathi: its the same one - no idea why the link is different | 15:08 |
| PhilD | I did e-mail Russell to let him know about the etherpad, and he liked the Idea of us trying to pre-consolidate the sessions | 15:08 |
| garyk | PhilD: thanks! | 15:08 |
| garyk | it would just be great f we can follow up and see if it is on his radar | 15:09 |
| PhilD | We currently hav 7 sessions on the pad which I suspect may be too many - so many a good topic for next wee would be to see if we can consolidate some | 15:09 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | Where is that pad? | 15:09 |
| Yathi | garyk: this is the new document I wrote yesterday with some updates to the model so I called Version 2.0 of the proposal | 15:09 |
| garyk | Yathi: thanks | 15:09 |
| PhilD | I'll ping him again to see if we can get a quota of scheduler sessions ;-) | 15:10 |
| garyk | ok, should we disucss the doc and then process to discussing consolidating sessions | 15:10 |
| Yathi | Updates are based on what we discussed last week about the API | 15:10 |
| garyk | PhilD: thanks | 15:10 |
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| garyk | #topic Instance groups model and extension | 15:10 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | So I started some discussion in the ML; last is a response from Sylvain. | 15:10 |
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| garyk | Yathi, would you or MikeSpreitzer like to explain for thoise who did noy het a chance to read | 15:10 |
| MikeSpreitzer | (deferring to author) | 15:11 |
| Yathi | ok thanks | 15:11 |
| Yathi | here is the link again | 15:11 |
| Yathi | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:11 |
| Yathi | I will provide a brief summary now | 15:12 |
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| Yathi | InstanceGroup = <IGMembers, IGMemberConnections, IGPolicies, IGMetadata> | 15:12 |
| debo_os | sorry folks, joined late! | 15:13 |
| Yathi | IGMember can be an InstanceGroup itself, or an instance | 15:13 |
| garyk | debo_os: np. Yathi is explaing in brief the doc | 15:13 |
| Yathi | Here in the Nova context, an instance refers to a VM | 15:13 |
| Yathi | but in the generic sense it refers to any virtual resource | 15:13 |
| Yathi | an IGPolicy applies to either an InstanceGroup as a whole or just a IGMemberConnection | 15:13 |
| garyk | so that could be a disk/network/.. | 15:13 |
| Yathi | garyk: yeah that is the idea | 15:14 |
| Yathi | and an IGMemberConnection is an edge between two nodes i.e. two IGMembers | 15:14 |
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| Yathi | also, IGPolicy refers to a named policy, which is implemented separately in such a way that is understandable by the engine that does the scheduling, etc | 15:15 |
| Yathi | outside the scope of this API doc | 15:15 |
| Yathi | IGMetadata - is a key,value pair dictionary to capture any additional metadata | 15:15 |
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| Yathi | I guess this captures the idea we discussed last week | 15:16 |
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| Yathi | Any thoughts ? | 15:16 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I have some questions about the class diagram, and the interaction pattern with the client | 15:16 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | Why one black diamond, not all black? | 15:17 |
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| Yathi | MikeSpreitzer: Okay good point.. something yet to think about.. this was based on the idea of the lifecycle of a InstanceGroup | 15:18 |
| MikeSpreitzer | of course.... | 15:19 |
| Yathi | if you delete an instanceGroup, an IGPolicy can still stay - as it could apply to another InstanceGroup | 15:19 |
| Yathi | I guess that was my thinking | 15:19 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | An InstanceGroupPolicy is just a reference to a policy, an it is a reference in service of one particular InstanceGroup | 15:19 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | So if the InstanceGroup goes away, there is no need to keep that reference | 15:20 |
| garyk | At the moment when the istance group is deleted we mark the policy for the group as deleted. it is currently not reusable | 15:20 |
| Yathi | Well I considered policy as a first class citizen | 15:20 |
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| Yathi | so one policy could apply to multiple InstanceGroup | 15:20 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I think your proposal separates policy definitions and policy references... | 15:20 |
| Yathi | it is a reference to a named policy | 15:20 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Policy definitions are out of scope, policy references are in scope and each serves just one group | 15:21 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Or maybe I misunderstand the diagram.. | 15:21 |
| MikeSpreitzer | do you propose multiple groups will contain the exact same reference object? | 15:21 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | No, I think not | 15:22 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Each reference is part of just one group | 15:22 |
| debo_os | Mike: for now if we provide references arent they good enough for an abstraction | 15:22 |
| MikeSpreitzer | debo_os: not sure I understand your point. | 15:23 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm just saying each reference is part of just one group, so should be deleted with the group | 15:23 |
| debo_os | since a policy could be referenced just by a name/reference .... | 15:24 |
| MikeSpreitzer | (wow, I thought this would be a quick and easy point, put off the bigger stone to later) | 15:24 |
| Yathi | I agree this is a reference in the InstanceGroup context | 15:24 |
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| debo_os | deleting the policy could be part of the implemnetation for now | 15:24 |
| Yathi | but why can't this reference be re-used.. | 15:24 |
| Yathi | I agree with debo_os this is implementation specific | 15:24 |
| MikeSpreitzer | No, I am not proposing to delete the policy with a referencing group, just the reference | 15:24 |
| garyk | at the moment the refence is the id of the instance group | 15:24 |
| garyk | we will need to redesign that | 15:25 |
| Yathi | garyk: you nailed it | 15:25 |
| Yathi | my thoughts are clear now | 15:25 |
| Yathi | yes they can all be black diamonds :) | 15:25 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK, great, let's move on. | 15:26 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Why are there integer IDs eveywhere? Do not the UUIDs suffice? | 15:26 |
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| garyk | MikeSpreitzer: the keys in the db were id's - that is the pattern in nova | 15:26 |
| Yathi | integer ID is from the DB id | 15:26 |
| MikeSpreitzer | So is this ID unique within the whole DB? | 15:27 |
| garyk | yes, that is, for for the instance groups | 15:27 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Why are there also UUIDs then? | 15:27 |
| garyk | all of the access is actually done via uuids | 15:27 |
| garyk | give me a sec and i'll paste where this is done | 15:28 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm confused. Integers are the keys but access is via UUID? | 15:28 |
| garyk | MikeSpreitzer: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L5686 (this is an implementation detail). i suggest that we take it offline | 15:29 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK | 15:29 |
| garyk | unless you think that it is something blocking the discussion at the moment | 15:29 |
| MikeSpreitzer | no, let's go on | 15:29 |
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| garyk | PhilD: alaski: did you guys manage to read the doc? what do you think? | 15:30 |
| Yathi | ok.. so do you agree with the updated model ? any votes ? | 15:30 |
| garyk | Yathi: i personally like it. | 15:30 |
| MikeSpreitzer | So I think Yathi's proposal has a client go through three phases: (1) create resources without scheduling, (2) present groups and policies to service for joint scheduling, then (3) activate resources. Right? | 15:30 |
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| debo_os | garyk: yathi: I think its a gr8 start ...and abstract yet enough to fold into nova for now | 15:31 |
| Yathi | yeah that is the model here with the instance group proposal.. | 15:31 |
| garyk | at the moment (well, the code that did not get through) was as follows: | 15:32 |
| garyk | 1. the user would create an instance group | 15:32 |
| garyk | 2. the user assigns a policy | 15:32 |
| alaski | garyk: I've read the doc but haven't had time to digest it yet, too many other things going on. But it seems that y'all are hashing it out pretty well so I'll defer to you for now | 15:32 |
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| debo_os | mike: your 3 point summmary looks accurate to me | 15:32 |
| garyk | 3. when deploying the instance a hint is passed with the group id | 15:32 |
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| garyk | 4 the scheduler updates the instance group for future use | 15:33 |
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| garyk | it is very rudimentary and only works with anti-affinity. we have yet to address other complex conifgs | 15:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer | So I think we can make a simpler API, with just two phases. | 15:33 |
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| iqster | Is there a phase 0 to determine if resources exist apriori? | 15:34 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | In the first phase the client presents groups and policies and resources, the service creates resources and does joint scheduling; second phase, the client activates the resources. | 15:34 |
| Yathi | phase 1 of registering a instance group could possibly include existing resources isn't it | 15:34 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | We want UPDATE as well as CREATE, and we need the ability to relate to pre-existing external(to the group) things. | 15:35 |
| MikeSpreitzer | But no phase 0 needed, those functionalities are part of main line. | 15:36 |
| debo_os | mike: update is definitely needed, but the semantics of the update need to be worked out for the general case - topology | 15:36 |
| Yathi | Mike: while creating a group, you provide the member uuids - this member could potentially be already present.. I guess we understand this ? | 15:36 |
| MikeSpreitzer | For CREATE, you do not put existing things in the new group; for UPDATE, you can refer to group members that were created previously. | 15:37 |
| alaski | One thing I'm curious about is how to start an instance group. So far I've seen policies like anti-affinity or affinity but they all rely on something already in place. Do instance groups not cover placement decisions except in relation to other resources? | 15:37 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | That's all that I have proposed. | 15:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer | In the private cloud you could go further, and allow references to physical things | 15:38 |
| garyk | alaski: that is something that we would like to address. | 15:38 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: private cloud, or admin facing API | 15:39 |
| alaski | garyk: cool | 15:39 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | BTW, affinity does not require sequencing. We can make a joint decision about how to place two things with affinity. | 15:39 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: fair point | 15:39 |
| garyk | at the moment we are trying to get the basic primitives in. once we have them then we can start to build the models that Mike mentions (or that is my take at th emoment)\ | 15:39 |
| Yathi | InstanceGroup is the starting point.. the decisions are made as a whole in the next step | 15:39 |
| debo_os | +1 | 15:39 |
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| debo_os | Would love to deal with sequencing later ... also not sure if we should leave that to the implementation (plugin/extension) | 15:40 |
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| Yathi | policies give guidelines for making these decisions | 15:40 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | OK, I thought we wanted to start with making joint decisions | 15:40 |
| debo_os | mike: we do once we have absorbed the basic primitives (within nova say) ... | 15:41 |
| alaski | I just want to understand if the intention is to cover something like references to physical things, or if that will always be out of scope. | 15:41 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK, I'm adjusting my thinking... | 15:41 |
| debo_os | alaski: virtual or physical should be both covered with theabstraction | 15:41 |
| debo_os | say you have baremetal ... | 15:41 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | alaski: I think that in the public cloud, the user does not know physical things and the admin does not know user's input | 15:41 |
| debo_os | its still a property of a node | 15:41 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | alaski: so neither can state affiinity between virtual resource and physical. This is not about baremetal... | 15:42 |
| debo_os | mike: one can provide the hint that the tenant needs a physical but then its for later :) | 15:42 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: right, our use case is more for admin/qe testing of new cells and how they can place builds there. Just curious if instance groups will help with that | 15:42 |
| MikeSpreitzer | For baremetal, just think of it as a very thin hypervisor | 15:42 |
| iqster | drilling more into alaski's question .. presumably, one needs to give ids to preexisting physical resources | 15:42 |
| iqster | How are these discovered? | 15:43 |
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| Yathi | alaski: you can group them up and assign a policy that it needs a physical | 15:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer | alaski: can you elaborate on "admin/qe testing of new cells" — I am not sure I understand. | 15:44 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: add a new cell to the infrastructure and have admins or qe send builds there before public users can | 15:45 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Ah, thanks | 15:45 |
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| aloga | alaski: cannot you do that with availability zones? | 15:45 |
| MikeSpreitzer | New to me, but thinking on my feet, I think that could be handled by affinity to physical stuff. | 15:45 |
| aloga | we are doing such a think with availability zones, aggregates and flavor metadata | 15:46 |
| alaski | aloga: potentially, though cells don't work with AZs right now | 15:46 |
| aloga | i think that exposing anything about the underlying resources to the end users is a bad idea | 15:46 |
| MikeSpreitzer | that needs to get sorted out anyway | 15:46 |
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| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: agreed. I'm still not convinced it's the best solution to the issue though. | 15:47 |
| MikeSpreitzer | right, normal end users would not see physical stuff, but I think admins are already different in many APIs | 15:47 |
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| alaski | But it sounds like it's not part of the instance groups scope, at least not for the moment. | 15:47 |
| aloga | MikeSpreitzer: yeah, I meant plain users | 15:47 |
| aloga | not admin-api | 15:47 |
| debo_os | alaski: maybe we should have an admin API which should decide whether to allow for hints like physical | 15:47 |
| debo_os | ? | 15:47 |
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| alaski | debo_os: that's what I'm wondering. I think it would be helpful | 15:48 |
| MikeSpreitzer | More like authorization issue, I think, no need for different API | 15:48 |
| alaski | that works too | 15:48 |
| alaski | I just didn't know if it fit the model that's being discussed | 15:48 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I mean, syntax is the same, just different references allowd | 15:48 |
| debo_os | alaski: I think we should eventually add an admin API too to address some of these .... | 15:48 |
| Yathi | debo_os: in our scope - hint == policy right ? | 15:48 |
| debo_os | yeah | 15:49 |
| debo_os | references :) | 15:49 |
| garyk | i think that we also need time to discuss consolidation of the scheduling talks | 15:49 |
| garyk | is it ok that we do a context switch? | 15:49 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | garyk: can you elaborate on the issue? Switch OK with me. | 15:50 |
| alaski | ok with me. Hope I didn't derail too much, jumped in a bit late and uninformed | 15:50 |
| Yathi | OK.. I guess this InstanceGroup discussion will continue next week | 15:50 |
| MikeSpreitzer | and in ML? | 15:50 |
| Yathi | and please feel free to comment offline and the core collaborators feel free to edit the doc | 15:50 |
| iqster | I see an id field in the InstanceGroupMember ... how does one generate such IDs for non-virtual resources? we can discuss next week and maybe i'll understand better then | 15:50 |
| garyk | MikeSpreitzer: not really sure i understood your question. i guess we could continue on the ML | 15:50 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | garyk: right | 15:51 |
| garyk | iqster: the id is just to link it to the instance_group | 15:51 |
| Yathi | iqster: we need to persist the InstanceGroupMember reference too. hence the id | 15:51 |
| MikeSpreitzer | iqster: their integer ID is like UUIDs in our code, it is record key in the DB | 15:51 |
| Yathi | that reference could be to a non-virtual resource | 15:51 |
| iqster | thx | 15:51 |
| garyk | #topic summit talks - https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions | 15:52 |
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| garyk | PhilD: any idea on which talks we can merge? | 15:53 |
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| debo_os | maybe we should have an API session? | 15:53 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Schedulng accross Services and Smart Resource Placement is an easy merge | 15:53 |
| garyk | an api session would be great. | 15:53 |
| debo_os | i had put in a placeholder for smart resosource placement since it would be important | 15:53 |
| aloga | MikeSpreitzer: +1 | 15:53 |
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| debo_os | mike:+1 | 15:54 |
| garyk | Can you guys please update the etherpad with the new suggestions | 15:54 |
| debo_os | sure | 15:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Sorry, forgot to do that. | 15:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I have a summit proposal on the main site for those | 15:54 |
| garyk | I am sorry but I need to leave now (i have a lift that is waiting for me). sorry for the curveball. | 15:54 |
| Yathi | sure.. they are all applicable under the smart resource placement proposal | 15:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | But I think I'm just asking for that meged session | 15:54 |
| garyk | Anyone know if the endmeeting can be done by someone else? | 15:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | BTW, Scheduler Performance is also relevant | 15:55 |
| alaski | garyk: if you #chair someone I think they can end it | 15:55 |
| garyk | yes, the perf is very relevant | 15:55 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I think we need shared cache of state | 15:55 |
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| debo_os | +1 | 15:55 |
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| debo_os | so ideally we need the 3 components: API, samrt placement and cache | 15:55 |
| PhilD | @Garry - Sorry, got caught up into something else. Re consolidation sessions, can we pick that up next week ? | 15:55 |
| garyk | #char alaski | 15:55 |
| debo_os | and performance if we have another slot | 15:55 |
| garyk | #chair alaski | 15:55 |
| openstack | Current chairs: alaski garyk | 15:55 |
| MikeSpreitzer | yes, pick up next week | 15:55 |
| Yathi | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IiPI0sfaWb1bdYiMWzAAx0HYR6UqzOan_Utgml5W1HI/edit?usp=sharing | 15:56 |
| garyk | alaski: is that ok with ou | 15:56 |
| alaski | garyk: yep, thanks | 15:56 |
| Yathi | this doc points to related blueprints for smart resource placement | 15:56 |
| garyk | thanks | 15:56 |
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| debo_os | ok do we have 4 slots? | 15:56 |
| debo_os | hten we could fit all API, smartplace, cache, perf | 15:56 |
| Yathi | the in-memory state work by Boris and co also are required for the global state repo | 15:56 |
| debo_os | if we have 3 slots, we probably should merge the perf in the cache and smartplace | 15:57 |
| MikeSpreitzer | +1 | 15:57 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'd like to see that merge anyway | 15:57 |
| debo_os | alaski: how many slots could we get | 15:57 |
| debo_os | we need 3 ideally | 15:57 |
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| debo_os | mike: then lets shoot for 3 and have perf as a component in each of cache and smartplace | 15:58 |
| alaski | debo_os: I'm not sure. It's going to depend a bit on how many other sessions are proposed, but I'll talk to Russell about getting 3 | 15:58 |
| PhilD | I said earlier that I'd ask Russell to see if we can get a quota for scheduling. I think 3 is a real minimum, we really need more liek 5 or 6 to cover all the topics | 15:58 |
| russellb | 3 seems reasonable | 15:58 |
| russellb | 5 or 6 will depend on what else is proposed | 15:58 |
| debo_os | russelb: awesome | 15:58 |
| russellb | really don't know yet | 15:58 |
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| debo_os | russelb: 3 should get us started | 15:59 |
| russellb | roughly the same number of time slots as the last summit | 15:59 |
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| debo_os | have one placeholder already | 15:59 |
| russellb | 1 extra i think | 15:59 |
| MikeSpreitzer | 3 is probably minimum | 15:59 |
| PhilD | If you look at what's already on the either pad I think 3 would be very tight. I really want to avoid last times issue of trying to do 10 subjects in one session | 15:59 |
| MikeSpreitzer | We'll probably think of at least one more once we start thinking carefully | 15:59 |
| debo_os | russelb: then 3 for starters and 1-2 if possible ... performance, maybe a deep dive on policies | 16:00 |
| alaski | Why don't we try to narrow down as much as possible with a rough ordering, and see what we can get | 16:00 |
| russellb | PhilD: yes, me too | 16:00 |
| debo_os | I think a deep dive on policies might be very important to let people know what could be done as we move along | 16:00 |
| PhilD | And some of the scheduler work in H really seemed to stall because we didn't have a clear way ahead coming out of the summit | 16:00 |
| russellb | I'd rather defer stuff to mailing list discussions than pack too much into 1 time slot | 16:00 |
| MikeSpreitzer | let's continue making the list next week, just let Russell know that we'd like more than 3 if possible | 16:01 |
| debo_os | ok | 16:01 |
| alaski | Cool. We'll pick this up next week. | 16:01 |
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| alaski | Thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| debo_os | gr8 meeting! | 16:01 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | thanks | 16:01 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 16:01:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-08-15.04.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-08-15.04.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-08-15.04.log.html | 16:01 |
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| lbragstad | keystone? | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | keystone! | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | Most Keystone. | 18:00 |
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| gyee | all keystone | 18:00 |
| dolphm | gyee: bknudson: o/ | 18:00 |
| joe-savak | woot | 18:00 |
| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | henrynash is out today | 18:00 |
| fabiog | Hi | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | I got my passport so am good to go to HK | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: +1 | 18:01 |
| dolphm | ooh, i should look for mine :( | 18:01 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I uypdated mine a year ago. | 18:01 |
| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, make sure it is up to date | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | that goes for everyone. | 18:01 |
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| * ayoung leared the hard way on a trip a year or so ago | 18:01 | |
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| ayoung | leanred | 18:01 |
| ayoung | learned | 18:01 |
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| joe-savak | learned? | 18:02 |
| dolphm | leered* | 18:02 |
| ayoung | nerdled | 18:02 |
| gyee | ha | 18:02 |
| dolphm | lots of oslo.db talk on the agenda, otherwise i suspect this will be a short meeting | 18:02 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | stevemar: o/ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 18:02:54 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic Havana | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Havana (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
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| dolphm | so, i wanted to quickly announce that i suspect we'll have an RC2 | 18:03 |
| gyee | bknudson, you ever figure out why the tests are failing? | 18:03 |
| gyee | for you oslo.db patch I mean | 18:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm, do we have a page for RC2 yet? | 18:03 |
| gyee | s/you/your/ | 18:03 |
| dolphm | we have a low-impact security vulnerability introduced in havana that we should be able to fix fairly easily | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: no | 18:03 |
| bknudson | gyee: yes, it's on the meeting agenda | 18:03 |
| bknudson | deleting a user at the same time as deleting a role | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i'd also like to get the mysql/db2 issues resolved in havana | 18:04 |
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| gyee | so we are running the tests in parallel? I had the same concern with jamielennox patch too | 18:04 |
| dolphm | i'm not currently aware of anything else that *needs* to land in rc2 | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | #topic Havana release notes | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Havana release notes (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| jamielennox | me? which patch? | 18:04 |
| stevemar | gyee: is there anyway we can run those tests in parallel to see if it fails? | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | the tests are run in parallel, but obviously customers can do the same thing. | 18:05 |
| dolphm | most of the release notes are filled in, except for the multi-ldap backend issue | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | jamielennox: gyee is referring to assertRequestHeader | 18:05 |
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| gyee | stevemar, jamielennox, yes that 1 | 18:05 |
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| jamielennox | that should be ok, the tests are parallel but they are still sequential per-process so last_request() should always work | 18:06 |
| bknudson | we've got the best release notes. | 18:06 |
| bknudson | our PTL is really doing his job. | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so far! | 18:06 |
| dolphm | i tried to start a bit early | 18:06 |
| gyee | yeah, nice notes! | 18:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, our goal is to keep you doing it so none of us have to | 18:06 |
| dolphm | since, you know, we were the first project to hit RC1 and all, we had extra time to spare | 18:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:06 |
| gyee | extra time is such a foreign concept | 18:07 |
| dolphm | :) | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #topic keystoneclient | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | on the topic of no extra time | 18:07 |
| dolphm | 0.3.3 is sort of hung up on a few code reviews that aren't moving very fast | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | any one of those would probably warrant an immediate release | 18:08 |
| ayoung | so...we've put shardy on the spot making him do a tempest test for a client change | 18:08 |
| stevemar | i'm faily certain it's just jamielennox doing reviews :P | 18:08 |
| dolphm | so if one merges and the others are still stalled, i'll be cutting a release anyway | 18:08 |
| ayoung | the short of it is: we have no way to test client changes against a live server unless we use tempest. | 18:08 |
| ayoung | so: new rule...all changes to keystone client that should be tested against a live server should have a tempest test | 18:08 |
| ayoung | and...I'll try to get an example one out there shortly | 18:08 |
| dolphm | that's not really relevant for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35403/ | 18:09 |
| gyee | ayoung, would it be a chicken-egg issue? | 18:09 |
| gyee | I presume its a conditional approval | 18:09 |
| dolphm | which i think has nearly sufficient unit tests | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | gyee, that is exactly the term I use to describe it, but we have an approach | 18:09 |
| ayoung | in the start of the test, check to see if the client supports the feature,. if not, rais a Skip exception | 18:10 |
| dolphm | ooh, i should also point out that the next release of keystoneclient will likely be 0.4.0, not 0.3.3 | 18:10 |
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| bknudson | new features? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | due to our new dependency on oslo.config 1.2 | 18:10 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: so regarding the TZ patch should we be looking to make some changes ourselves or wait for original authors? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i'm down for either -- there was a comment by brant that i wasn't comfortable addressing without at least feedback from the original author | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #topic oslo.db | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: all yours | 18:12 |
| dolphm | there's a bunch of notes on the meeting agenda to get everyone on the same page- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:12 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient,n,z looks pretty well supported. THere are 6 reviews up there with nothing in the R column for me, and two of them are WIP. | 18:12 |
| bknudson | ok, so I'm working on using oslo.db rather than our own | 18:12 |
| bknudson | yes, read the notes. | 18:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, before we do that, client issues all resovled? | 18:12 |
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| bknudson | anyway, using oslo.db seems to be going pretty well, you can see the changes. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i just want to make sure the patches in keystoneclient have traction | 18:13 |
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| bknudson | Base class only has 1 thing it it now which is just forwarding get_session. | 18:13 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I think all my comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35403/ should be easy to make. Not asking for a rewrite or anything. | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | oslo.db reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:oslo.db,n,z | 18:14 |
| bknudson | so, using oslo.db turned up some timing issues. | 18:14 |
| bknudson | let me find the code... | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49655/ | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: re client - if I can figure out what cody is on about i wouldn't mind: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49106/ being in 0.4 | 18:15 |
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| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/db/sqlalchemy/session.py#L672 | 18:15 |
| bknudson | checkin handler does _thread_yield | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: depends how quickly you wnat to cut it | 18:15 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ping me after the meeting, i can help there | 18:15 |
| bknudson | so what can happen is, we're deleting a role | 18:15 |
| bknudson | and while deleting a role some other request to delete a user with that role | 18:16 |
| ayoung | is that a dupe? couldve sworn I already ACKed that | 18:16 |
| bknudson | now delete role gets 404 Not Found | 18:16 |
| bknudson | I think we did talk about this, and decided in general it was ok to not find a user | 18:16 |
| bknudson | so that operation shouldn't fail | 18:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that is correct | 18:16 |
| bknudson | but I wanted to make sure with others before I go removing that stuff. | 18:16 |
| dolphm | in the separation between identity and assignment, i'd say that's fair | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | in general, things in assignments should not depend on things in identity being there | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | NotFound: Object not found 2013-10-07 21:31:18.422 | Details: {"error": {"message": "Could not find user, be547582b3c541dda71dc202f9acc153.", "code": 404, "title": "Not Found"}} | 18:17 |
| ayoung | for Federated, they are *not* going to be there | 18:17 |
| bknudson | dolphm: ok, how about the cases where both in assignment? | 18:17 |
| bknudson | I posed the code in assignment delete_grant: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L169 | 18:17 |
| dolphm | bknudson: both what? | 18:17 |
| gyee | both in the same backend store? | 18:18 |
| bknudson | you could delete a project at the same time as delete a role | 18:18 |
| ayoung | bknudson, deleting a role should cascade delete all assignments. | 18:18 |
| ayoung | deleting a project the same | 18:18 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L179 | 18:18 |
| ayoung | if that comes in while someone else is attempting to delete...404 is appropriate | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | its an ACID issue | 18:18 |
| ayoung | you tried to delete something that is already gone. | 18:18 |
| dolphm | where are we handling the consequences of the project delete, for example? (deleting the role assignments on that project) | 18:19 |
| bknudson | for assignment sql backend, could handle by doing the deletes in the same translaction. | 18:19 |
| dolphm | in the manager or driver? | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, that would be a good approach | 18:20 |
| ayoung | LDAP can't do it all in one transaction, but that is likely to be fairly rare | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | right, we were going to deprecate LDAP assignments. | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, not any more | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | CERN specifically asked for them to stay around | 18:21 |
| dolphm | bknudson: *were* CERN said please no | 18:21 |
| ayoung | said that LDAP was the only thing that would scale like they needed it | 18:21 |
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| morganfainberg | really? | 18:21 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: i suspect rax would object as well? ^ | 18:22 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yep | 18:22 |
| bknudson | maybe they need no-sql mongodb | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | (sorry, just got back to my desk, been a hectic week, here now) | 18:22 |
| joe-savak | dolphm - yes - we use LDAP only for our backend | 18:22 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: i mean long term | 18:22 |
| bknudson | joe-savak: is keystone configured with read-write? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | joe-savak, but you also need multidomain, right? | 18:22 |
| joe-savak | it is configured with read-write - and we have multi-domain implmeneted as a rax 2.0 extension (moving to v3 next year) | 18:23 |
| joe-savak | and yes, it will be there long-term as we have 190k+ users and LDAP meets our needs well | 18:23 |
| ayoung | joe-savak, is each domain in its own subtree a viable apporach for you guys? | 18:23 |
| ayoung | approach | 18:23 |
| joe-savak | ayoung - let me take that back to our ldap guy. Not sure | 18:23 |
| gyee | ayoung, that's a typical LDAP deployment, domain map to a subtree | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, that seems like an accurate assessment | 18:25 |
| ayoung | gyee, you know that and I know that, but I'm not sure that RAX knows that | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | the previous impl had a domain attribute.... | 18:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so, the oslo.db stuff started because of the db2 handling fix -- is that still separate somewhere? | 18:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: or will that be on top of this patch? | 18:26 |
| bknudson | dolphm: the db2 handling fix will not be needed when we switch to oslo.db | 18:26 |
| dolphm | bknudson: oh cool | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, as part of the oslo.db code, do we get the start of alembic migrations merged in? | 18:26 |
| dolphm | bknudson: what about havana then? | 18:26 |
| bknudson | dolphm: so the db2 changes are still there, hoping to be backported to havana. | 18:26 |
| bknudson | dolphm: It's just this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49272/ | 18:27 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: we can propose things to milestone-proposed after they land in master | 18:27 |
| dolphm | for havana rc2/final | 18:27 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I'll do that! | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson: /salute | 18:27 |
| bknudson | so I'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49272/ to get in before the oslo.db change | 18:28 |
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| dolphm | which depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/ | 18:28 |
| bknudson | also, the disconnect fix is in oslo-incubator, so I'd like that to merge first, too. | 18:28 |
| dolphm | which also needs to be in milestone-proposed, i think | 18:28 |
| bknudson | yes, it turns out that our mysql disconnect handler didn't work at all either. | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ouch. | 18:29 |
| dolphm | i'd love to get that bit merged to both master and milestone-proposed today | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: gyee: ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/ | 18:29 |
| bknudson | I'll cherry-pick the changes to milestone-proposed | 18:30 |
| ayoung | what is dbapi? | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | dbapi_conn? | 18:30 |
| gyee | 1 line change, 58 lines of test, love these patches! | 18:30 |
| bknudson | gyee: the 1 line change was required because there was no test | 18:31 |
| ayoung | gyee, yeag...but are the tests now mysql specific? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | or is the mysql in the comment just spurious? | 18:31 |
| joe-savak | ayoung - fyi - all domains are in one subtree today - we are looking to split it out though | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | errro 2006 is mysql specific iirc | 18:32 |
| gyee | ayoung, can't tell by looking at it | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | joe-savak, sounds good. I can work wityh you on that | 18:32 |
| gyee | I mean can't tell if they are mysql specific | 18:32 |
| ayoung | bknudson, is this test my_sql specific? | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | this test appears to be mysql specific as it calls sql.mysql_on_checkout | 18:33 |
| bknudson | ayoung: dbapi_conn is a database connection, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/3/keystone/common/sql/core.py | 18:33 |
| bknudson | itdoes dbapi_conn.cursor().execute('select 1') and dbapi_conn.OperationalError | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ah. | 18:33 |
| ayoung | bknudson, "Simulates the dbapi_conn passed to mysql_on_checkout." | 18:33 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: the test isn't really mysql-specific, but it tests the mysql-specific checkout handler. | 18:34 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: in bknudson's revised implementation that could just be renamed to ping_on_checkout or something | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, does pgsql (or anything else) have the same mechanics? | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, nod. i see that now. | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, what happens if you run a live PostGresql test? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | dolphm: morganfainberg: that change is in oslo.db! | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: the listener isn't registered with postgresql | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | it's looking for mysql-specific exception | 18:35 |
| dolphm | i've never run into 'mysql server has gone away' with postgresql (nor db2 for that matter ;P) | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, heh | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, well...it looks like the live tests are broken anyway | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i am guessing other DBs would need special handling for the different error cases/codes | 18:37 |
| ayoung | NoSuchOptError: no such option: policy_file | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | that happens because the policy backend registers its own config option, and that is not pulled in by the tests | 18:37 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that problem was fixed in other places by importing somthing... | 18:37 |
| ayoung | policy | 18:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: IF their client libraries expose you to the same issue | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah. | 18:38 |
| bknudson | Here's the change in oslo.db: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48733/ | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | it's failing Jenkins because of a requirements change that hasn't merged. | 18:38 |
| dolphm | bknudson: it seems as though all of IBM is rushing to fix this issue | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: it was found & reported internally so we're trying to fix it. | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:40 |
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| gyee | jaimelennox, see my comment on the access key auth patch? | 18:41 |
| gyee | jamielennox | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | gyee: not as yet | 18:41 |
| fabiog | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46771/ | 18:42 |
| gyee | both HP and RAX have access key auth support prior to KSL | 18:42 |
| gyee | so this is not something new | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | gyee, should that be tied in with the credentials backend? | 18:42 |
| gyee | we are just trying to bring back that capability | 18:42 |
| gyee | ayoung, it is using cred backend | 18:42 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: i've been doing too much crypto - i saw secret keys and started trying to figure out what they were doing | 18:42 |
| gyee | this patch does not use crypto | 18:43 |
| gyee | just straight secret comparison | 18:43 |
| ayoung | gyee, are these symetrric keysr or aym? | 18:43 |
| ayoung | asym | 18:43 |
| gyee | they are not keys | 18:43 |
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| gyee | just really long randomly-generate share secrets | 18:43 |
| ayoung | gyee, symetric shared secredts | 18:43 |
| ayoung | bleh | 18:44 |
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| gyee | right, not recommended for crypto | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | gyee, and the driving force behind this is to allow a user to have multiple "passwords" at once | 18:44 |
| gyee | they are designed for non-interactive applications | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | gyee, fabio, is that the entire spec? or will there be CRUD operations surrounding the access keys? | 18:44 |
| gyee | ayoung, correct, so to make a seamless secret rotation | 18:44 |
| ayoung | stevemar, crud should be in the credential backend | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:45 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think I can get behind that | 18:45 |
| gyee | today, you can't rotate password without service disruption | 18:45 |
| fabiog | ayoung: correct | 18:45 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: ok, that makes sense | 18:45 |
| gyee | but you can rotate access keys with rolling upgrade | 18:45 |
| ayoung | gyee, youi have a comment in there. Once he's updated, and you've reviewed and feel happy with it, ping us and we'll rip it to shreds | 18:45 |
| gyee | ayoung, cool, thanks | 18:46 |
| ayoung | but in general I am OK with this | 18:46 |
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| jamielennox | i think definetly remove the decypher remark and i think that there should be a more explicit the 'unscoped token' is related to the example and not that all tokens are unscoped | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | but otherwise it looks good | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | probably change key to "shared secret" in the wording | 18:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: so the secret is not a secret at all? | 18:47 |
| joe-savak | as secret as a password. | 18:47 |
| gyee | its a shared secret | 18:47 |
| gyee | "shared" :) | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | but not in the crypto sense | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | overloaded terms… *runs and hides* | 18:47 |
| gyee | joe-savak, ++ | 18:47 |
| ayoung | yeah, nothing "key" about this, I think | 18:48 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: i don't consider passwords to be "secret" | 18:48 |
| joe-savak | what is yours? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +++ | 18:48 |
| dolphm | " | 18:48 |
| stevemar | joe-savak ++ | 18:48 |
| dolphm | "access key" is a bit misleading | 18:48 |
| ayoung | speaking of keys, though, the KDS blueprint needs some work. I punted to jamielennox to shepherd it, but we are all kindof involved on this one | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | joe-savak, ******* | 18:48 |
| gyee | yeah, lets call it shared-secret auth | 18:48 |
| gyee | I am perfectly fine with it | 18:48 |
| ayoung | gyee, +1 | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | fabiog: added another comment but it's not that big | 18:48 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: if i trusted you i'd be happy to give it to you, which is what makes it a *shared* secret | 18:48 |
| joe-savak | oauth then | 18:49 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: if it was a secret, i wouldn't give it to you even if i trusted you | 18:49 |
| ayoung | KDS really needs to be ready to go for I1 in order to have the other teams make use of it in Icehouse. We punted on it in Havana | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, agreed | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so i was looking through KDS yesterday - other than dolphm's -1 is anyone aware of something 'missing' from KDS? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | gyee: doesn't HP call it "api keys" in v2? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | I asked dolphm to put together a "style guide to the API docs" link is | 18:50 |
| dolphm | (is that HP-IDM?) | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, the API speC? | 18:50 |
| gyee | dolphm, yes | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: either | 18:50 |
| joe-savak | RAX calls it API keys as well | 18:50 |
| gyee | HP need to pick a better name | 18:50 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: there is a review as well 'Initial KDS' or something | 18:50 |
| dolphm | gyee: is HP-IDM broken down into access token + secret key? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, hrm. let me look. i think we've pulled it apart and put it back together a bunch in comments so far. | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | and it's been a couple weeks since i've looked at it | 18:51 |
| gyee | dolphm, it was called access-key prior to KSL I think | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can you post the link to your review request fopr the style guide? | 18:51 |
| dolphm | joe-savak: i think rax's implementation is a standard api key though -- there's no second piece of information | 18:51 |
| joe-savak | RAX-KSKEY - username & api-key | 18:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49791/ | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, thanks | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | right - it appears AWS has this id & secret thing - but i can't see what the advantage is over having user_id + shared secret | 18:51 |
| ayoung | what I would like to have happen is that we have a very clear set of guideline on API docs, so we don't spend a lot of churn figuring out what goes where | 18:52 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: is audience not enough? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | this is a great start. lets give it a review and make sure it is something we can all understand and support | 18:52 |
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| annegentle_ | ayoung: or is it related to "is this a spec or not?" | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | annegentle_, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49791/ | 18:52 |
| ayoung | we are talking about the identity API, but I would guess that the standard should be OS wide | 18:53 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: orignally we wanted specs across openstack | 18:53 |
| bknudson | we've got both the identity API spec and the Identity API docs... do we need both? | 18:53 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: that's not really happening tho | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | annegentle_, we've gotten kudos for our Identiyt API specs...but there has a been a huge amoung of effort to get there | 18:54 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: as doc coordinator, I have historically ignored spec work because we just don't have time, and we serve users as a higher priority than devs making APIs | 18:54 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: yes on both | 18:54 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: it's totally different in aws | 18:54 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: but yes, as I indicated, the doc team has to somewhat ignore specs | 18:54 |
| bknudson | this has the spec info, too? http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-identity.html | 18:54 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: in aws, i think it's oauth2 or a variation thereof | 18:54 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: you guys were fortunate to have Diane clean up the v2 | 18:54 |
| ayoung | annegentle_, I'd like to take what dolph wrote for the identity API and make it a stand alone document eventually, but right now I think we most can benefit from the Keystone devs using it as a living doc for what we are doing in identity | 18:55 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: that documents reality with real response/requests | 18:55 |
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| annegentle_ | ayoung: sure, you should make your own priorities as well | 18:55 |
| annegentle_ | bknudson: if it doesn't document reality it's a doc bug | 18:55 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: the same two terms are used though, which is why this proposal is confusing | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | annegentle_, considering how often we have pointed people at the curl examples, I'd like this document to at least reflect the guts of "how do aI talk to Keystone via the web API" | 18:56 |
| gyee | annegentle_, its called "undocumented feature" | 18:56 |
| gyee | not a bug | 18:56 |
| annegentle_ | ayoung: sounds great, Diane Fleming has a blueprint for Icehouse to try to give more real API examples, let me find the link | 18:56 |
| ayoung | annegentle_, I used it heavily when writing the few examples I have so far | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: so i assume that it is meant to model some other auth system though, it seems to similar to others to have been made from scratch | 18:57 |
| ayoung | annegentle_, http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/09/keystone-v3-api-examples/ | 18:57 |
| annegentle_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs | 18:57 |
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| annegentle_ | ayoung: great, I'll point diane to it for her work | 18:57 |
| ayoung | annegentle_, I want to do a follow up with some of the more esoteric ones, like creating trusts | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: are you referring to gyee's proposal modeling other auth systems? | 18:59 |
| dolphm | time is about up -- switching to #openstack-dev! | 18:59 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting keystone | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 18:59:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-10-08-18.02.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-10-08-18.02.txt | 18:59 |
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| jeblair | are any ci/infra people around? | 19:00 |
| fungi | yup | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
| jeblair | mordred: ping | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 19:01:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-01-19.01.html | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair move tarballs.o.o and include 50gb space for heat/trove images | 19:01 |
| jeblair | i have not done that. i'll to get to that this week | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | i did, however, announce the maintenance | 19:02 |
| mordred | I have understood the mysterious caching issue - which is that there is apparently no mysterious caching issue | 19:02 |
| jeblair | which clarkb and fungi and i performed | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | mordred: excellent! | 19:02 |
| mordred | the base image for an image build can be set via an environment variable to point to a pre-existing image | 19:03 |
| mordred | which is what we'd want | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mordred: then lets move onto... | 19:03 |
| mordred | lifeless indicated that dib may need to grow a flag... | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Trove testing (mordred, hub_cap) | 19:03 |
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| mordred | to disable the checksum testing | 19:03 |
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| mordred | to disable attempting to download a new version of the base image from the internet | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mordred: so what do we need to do to proceed? | 19:05 |
| mordred | jeblair: I believe we just need to start writing jobs | 19:05 |
| mordred | or, rather | 19:05 |
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| hub_cap | hilo | 19:05 |
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| mordred | we need to make sure that the base images that tripleo/trove/heat may need are listed in such a way that the nodepool image prep pre-downloading of things pre-downloads thenm | 19:05 |
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| mordred | and then we need to start writing jobs which do the image building the trove/heat/tripleo need with those pre-downloaded images as input | 19:05 |
| mordred | the first one sounds like us, the second one sounds lke hub_cap | 19:05 |
| hub_cap | sounds good to me. do we do them in parallel or do i have some more time to finish up the client? :) | 19:06 |
| mordred | finish up the client. do we know how to tell what base images you will need? | 19:07 |
| mordred | right now, we scan devstack for image urls | 19:07 |
| mordred | and we pre-download those | 19:07 |
| mordred | how does one tell which base images dib builds are going to want? (I think there are only two, right, but are they listed somewhere?) | 19:07 |
| hub_cap | well rhel/ubuntu for each trove & heat | 19:08 |
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| mordred | but the base images are the same | 19:09 |
| mordred | the things we download from the interwebs | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | ohhh base image sry | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | dib is in charge of that for us (until now hehe) | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: it may not be terrible to special case those in the nodepool setup scripts? | 19:10 |
| mordred | jeblair: maybe we do that until we it grows past two? | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | mordred: or if dib is doing it, is there a place in dib we can consult to find the list? | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | mordred: as what we do now with devstack is to clone devstack and read that file... | 19:11 |
| hub_cap | https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/search?q=DIB_CLOUD_IMAGES&type=Code | 19:12 |
| jeblair | mordred: at any rate, that actually does sound like a lot of work just to get those 2 images, so i'm still okay with hardcoding that in the nodepool scripts for now. | 19:12 |
| clarkb | dib is just running shell scripts in a chroot (basically) if it isn't possible today I think it should be possible to list things in a file that is sourced by dib | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: oh, that's a little easier then... | 19:12 |
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| mordred | yup. I think reading the files should not be terrible | 19:13 |
| jeblair | mordred: you want to take a stab at that? | 19:13 |
| mordred | however- that gets us into an interesting question | 19:13 |
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| mordred | which is that currently the plan was for heat/trove to simply consume released version of dib rather than master version | 19:13 |
| stevebaker | hi | 19:14 |
| mordred | I'll take a stab at pulling things from dib though - I could probably also install it with pip and then source a couple of files from well-known locations | 19:14 |
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| hub_cap | mordred: u can likely then run the 10-cache-*-tarball to do the dl work too | 19:15 |
| stevebaker | it would be nice if you could just run dib and get it to quit before the preinstall phase | 19:15 |
| mordred | hub_cap: nah. that does too much work | 19:15 |
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| mordred | I believe we'd like to avoid running a bunch of root-based qemu-nbd stuff on the nodes as we're prepping them for the devstack pool | 19:16 |
| mordred | too many moving pieces there | 19:16 |
| mordred | BUT - I think we can work with what's there | 19:16 |
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| stevebaker | it won't just cache the base image, also all the invoked source-repositories | 19:16 |
| stevebaker | ..but, baby steps | 19:17 |
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| mordred | yes. I think baby steps are important | 19:17 |
| hub_cap | otherwise that baby wont start walkin | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | cool, it sounds like we're set to proceed; anything else? | 19:18 |
| jeblair | thanks! | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | #topic Tripleo testing (mordred, clarkb, lifeless, pleia2) | 19:18 |
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| pleia2 | ok, this is very exciting! | 19:18 |
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| pleia2 | we've been fleshing out this https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | if you scroll down to iteration 1, I have a review here to get that done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49454/ | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | so if we could get that in soon so I can make sure it works, that would be awesome :) | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | I just had a call with lifeless last night to hash out the plan for iteration 2 | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | so I have a lot of work to do, but we're on track | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: will merging 49454 conflict with your gearman nodepool work? | 19:20 |
| mordred | I like seeing patches! (it's now in my browser to review and stuff) | 19:21 |
| jeblair | there are a lot of words there... :) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | jeblair: if not I can go ahead and rereview 49454 and approve if it looks good | 19:21 |
| clarkb | (or maybe if it does we make the gearman changes deal with it) | 19:21 |
| lifeless | please land it, we wants the experimental queue ;) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: 49454 already uses the new syntax and is based on master, so it won't conflict | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I rebased | 19:22 |
| clarkb | perfect, it is at the top of my review queue now | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | thank you! | 19:23 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we'll just want to put the gearman changes back in place so that puppet will actually apply it | 19:23 |
| jeblair | (and restart puppet, i forgot to say ^) | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | this seems to be going smoothly. :) anything else on this topic? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | #topic New etherpad.o.o server and migration (clarkb) | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New etherpad.o.o server and migration (clarkb) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:25 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: thank you! | 19:25 |
| clarkb | a new etherpad.o.o has been spun up as well as a new etherpad-dev.o.o. | 19:26 |
| clarkb | they are both running on 2GB nodes (down from 4GB) and use clouddbs for the backend database | 19:26 |
| mordred | neat | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | I intend on fully switching out the -dev server today (DNS etc and delete the old node), but we need to plan a time to switch the etherpad.o.o hosts | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | process is simple. stop etherpad service on both servers, dump database, copy database to new database server, start etherpad on new server, flip DNS | 19:27 |
| clarkb | I think doing that soon is better than waiting. I was thinking Sunday morning PST | 19:27 |
| fungi | i'll be around if you end up needing help | 19:28 |
| clarkb | it would be awesome if there was one other set of eyes making sure I don't completely derp stuff | 19:28 |
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| * fungi is happy to lend eyeballs and fingers | 19:28 | |
| clarkb | fungi: awesome. Should we plan for 1600UTC Sunday? I will send an announcement to the -dev list if that works | 19:28 |
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| fungi | sounds great | 19:29 |
| fungi | i doubt it will take long at all | 19:29 |
| mordred | I'll also be around | 19:29 |
| jeblair | #action clarkb announce 1600UTC Sunday etherpad outage | 19:29 |
| clarkb | it shouldn't, I will also lower the TTL on the current DNS records earlier in the week so that DNS doesn't take its time | 19:29 |
| fungi | k | 19:30 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:30 |
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| mordred | I for one welcome our new etherpad server overlords | 19:30 |
| jeblair | clarkb: let us know when you move etherpad-dev, and we can all bang on it | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ++ will do | 19:30 |
| jeblair | clarkb, sdague: do you happen to know of a load testing tool for ep? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I don't | 19:30 |
| sdague | jeblair: nope | 19:31 |
| sdague | it would require something that did js well, as it's all client side rendering | 19:31 |
| clarkb | #link https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/tree/master/bin/loadTesting | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | I will look at getting that load tester going | 19:32 |
| sdague | clarkb: also, the folks in the #etherpad channel (or maybe it's #eplite) are super responsive | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that would be awesome | 19:32 |
| sdague | so I'd just ask them | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it would be nice to be armed with information like we can definitely support a couple hundred people using it at once during the summit | 19:32 |
| fungi | if it works out well, a quick blurb in the etherpad.rst about load-testing updates.changes on etherpad-dev would be awesome too | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 19:33 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup, I will look into the in tree load test scripts and ping them on IRC | 19:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: good idea | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | i'm working on a test pootle server so the translation tema can play around with it a bit before the summit | 19:34 |
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| pleia2 | I'm off to a conference on thursday (ACM Projections | Reflections in Illinois), so will be in and out then through sunday | 19:35 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: cool, thinking of it as a resplacement for transifex or is it a necessary inbewteen? | 19:35 |
| * annegentle_ cant' spell | 19:35 | |
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| mordred | jeblair: excellent | 19:35 |
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| annegentle_ | jeblair: mordred: docs does have a translation session at the summit where we can talk about tooling | 19:35 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: replacement | 19:35 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: got it | 19:35 |
| mordred | annegentle_: yeah. you know about the transifex issue, yeah? | 19:35 |
| * anteaya is traveling to a conference tomorrow and then in Toronto the following week | 19:36 | |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: I talked to Mozilla folks about the proprietary direction Transifex was taking and the woman I talked to wasn't too concerned | 19:36 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: don't they use pootle? | 19:36 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: but, I sorta talked her into a bit of concern I think (not really meaning to, but asking more questions that made her think) | 19:36 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: they use transifex for the phone os stuff apparently | 19:36 |
| mordred | annegentle_: excellent. good job | 19:36 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: lol | 19:36 |
| annegentle_ | honestly I just want to hear what the translators like best | 19:37 |
| mordred | annegentle_: too many people in open source have been too complacent on the use of non-open source things, tbh | 19:37 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: if you check the i18n list, you'll see recent messages like "oh, we can't use the stats api because that's a premium feature" | 19:37 |
| jeblair | (the openstack-i18n list) | 19:37 |
| annegentle_ | I use a proprietary authoring tool because it just makes me more efficient | 19:37 |
| annegentle_ | but it's not required | 19:37 |
| annegentle_ | so yeah | 19:37 |
| fungi | in the past, there weren't necessarily great free software answers to all this supporting infrastructure, but now there's a lot more itches scratched | 19:37 |
| annegentle_ | not cool | 19:37 |
| mordred | annegentle_: I'm fine with people using proprietary things to work on openstack | 19:37 |
| mordred | I'm not fine with them being required to | 19:37 |
| annegentle_ | mordred: yeah totally agree | 19:37 |
| jeblair | so the good news is that, on paper at least, pootle has caught up in terms of what it was lacking compared to transifex | 19:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: awesome | 19:38 |
| anteaya | how much longer can design summit sessions be proposed? | 19:38 |
| jeblair | (part of spinning this up is to examine some of that for ourselves) | 19:38 |
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| fungi | and also, i feel like with the resources we as a project have at our disposal, it's our duty to a great extent to provide the tools we can use to run out project if such tools don't already exist | 19:38 |
| fungi | s/out/our/ | 19:38 |
| mordred | anteaya: not sure - it's pretty open ended | 19:38 |
| mordred | anteaya: since it's run by the ptls | 19:38 |
| anteaya | mordred: okay | 19:38 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:39 |
| annegentle_ | ok then the only other open discussion thing from me was about invites, are there more going out (to ensure savanna gets invites)? | 19:39 |
| mordred | anteaya: the longer you wait though, the more chance you may have of no slots being left | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: ++ | 19:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: it has real git integration too... | 19:39 |
| jeblair | A typical commit message when committing from Pootle will look something like this: | 19:39 |
| anteaya | true | 19:39 |
| jeblair | Commit from GNOME Pootle by user Sipho. 80 of 100 messages translated (7 | 19:39 |
| jeblair | fuzzy). | 19:39 |
| mordred | neat | 19:39 |
| jeblair | that's from http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/features/version_control.html | 19:39 |
| annegentle_ | anteaya: ttx once said a handwavy mid october :) | 19:39 |
| mordred | that's exciting | 19:39 |
| mordred | jeblair: any chance it has openid consumption support? | 19:39 |
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| annegentle_ | jeblair: that's quite cool | 19:39 |
| anteaya | annegentle_: okay thanks, love the specificity of the handwave | 19:39 |
| fungi | that also suggests we're much closer to making translators atcs if we want, at least from a technical hurdle standpoint | 19:40 |
| fungi | (assuming we use pootle) | 19:40 |
| ttx | annegentle_: starting October 17 you're free to start making your schedule :) | 19:40 |
| mordred | nod | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i'm pretty sure it will at least work with apache mod_auth_openid | 19:40 |
| mordred | jeblair: excellent | 19:40 |
| ttx | annegentle_: so it's "you have at least until October 17" thing. Then each topic lead is free to have their own rules | 19:41 |
| * anteaya notes ttx's handwave means the 17th | 19:41 | |
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| clarkb | I haven't submitted anything for this summit. I can't tell if that is a good thing or not | 19:41 |
| clarkb | everyone else has been submitting good things :) | 19:41 |
| ttx | The 17th is when *I* can start spending time looking into the issue :) | 19:41 |
| * anteaya wonders how the remaining calendar days translate to gestures | 19:42 | |
| anteaya | like baseball signals | 19:42 |
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| anteaya | what does it mean when you touch the peak of your cap, ttx | 19:42 |
| anteaya | or rub the side of your nose? | 19:42 |
| ttx | "curved RC" | 19:42 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:42 |
| anteaya | punt | 19:42 |
| mordred | what if we all started giving dates in terms of ttx hand signals | 19:42 |
| anteaya | better than utc | 19:43 |
| mordred | "I'll meet you on ttx-nods-head of october" | 19:43 |
| ttx | rub the side of my nose = royal flush | 19:43 |
| jeblair | and i think that may signal the end of the meeting... :) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | :) nothing else from me | 19:43 |
| ttx | starting to derive a bit, yes | 19:44 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:45 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:45 | |
| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 19:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 19:45:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-08-19.01.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-08-19.01.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-08-19.01.log.html | 19:45 |
| ttx | PSA: No TC meeting this week. Elections process started. | 19:45 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: Any chance we could do Heat early in the projects meeting? I'll need to leave 20 minutes in | 19:48 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: sure. Note that shardy is still PTL for the Havana cycle and could be there | 19:49 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: but if you're around in 70min, I'll put you first | 19:50 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: actually, thats OK. I'll let him handle it | 19:55 |
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| ttx | heh, yes, those things will come to you soon enough :) | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | ttx: TC meeting today? | 20:01 |
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| hub_cap | notmyname: 12:45 PM ttx PSA: No TC meeting this week. Elections process started. | 20:02 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 20:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | ah right | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | tc limbo | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | ah. was lumped in with the last block of text (and for some reason ttx is the same nick color as openstack in my client :-) ) | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | that's ok. I can certainly use the extra hour in my day :-) | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
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| markmc | yep | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ttx | missing jd__ jgriffith shardy | 21:02 |
| ttx | and dolphm | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 21:02:29 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #info 9 days to release, RC1s published for everything but Swift at this point | 21:02 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 21:03 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | #info At the end of the week I plan to switch to "safe, extremely release-critical fixes only" mode | 21:03 |
| notmyname | swift should be ready Real Soon Now | 21:03 |
| ttx | #info So if you have "embarassing but not critical" bugs, we should handle them in a RC2 window this week | 21:03 |
| ttx | We'll go into details for each project as the situation is difefrent for everyone | 21:03 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair: anything from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:03 |
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| sdague | a number of the races look addressed that were a part of the rc run up - http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | annegentle_: how is doc release shaping up ? | 21:04 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:04 |
| sdague | however, the neutron ones are still problematic, Bug 1224001 in particular | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224001 | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | sdague: we merged a fix for that today | 21:05 |
| sdague | markmcclain: ok, great | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | a system util was causing a kernel fault | 21:05 |
| sdague | interesting | 21:05 |
| ttx | annegentle_, jeblair: anything to mention ? | 21:05 |
| jeblair | ttx: no, thanks | 21:05 |
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| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:06 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi | 21:06 |
| ttx | #info Oslo stable/havana branch was cut | 21:06 |
| markmc | good evening | 21:06 |
| ttx | Any critical bugfix that would need urgent codecopy to consuming projects ? | 21:06 |
| markmc | I had a look over bugs and reviews | 21:06 |
| markmc | don't see anything scarey | 21:07 |
| ttx | good thing :) | 21:07 |
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| ttx | markmc: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:07 |
| markmc | nope, all quiet on the oslo front | 21:07 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:07 |
| markmc | dhellmann, you? | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 21:07 |
| markmc | cool | 21:07 |
| ttx | cool | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:08 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:08 |
| ttx | moar time for the others | 21:08 |
| ttx | dolphm: hi! | 21:08 |
| ttx | #info Keystone RC1 is out | 21:08 |
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| ttx | No bug on the havana-rc-potential list: | 21:08 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:08 |
| dolphm | i've been using havana-backport-potential :( | 21:08 |
| ttx | ha. ha. | 21:08 |
| dolphm | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=havana-backport-potential | 21:08 |
| * ttx looks | 21:08 | |
| ttx | anything you think is critical enough to warrant an RC2 ? | 21:09 |
| dolphm | the only bug i think warrants an RC is https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1234873 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234873 in keystone "restarting mysql, Keystone doesn't reconnect, AttributeError" [High,Fix committed] | 21:09 |
| * ttx looks into that high one | 21:09 | |
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| dolphm | it's a one line, obvious fix | 21:09 |
| ttx | ew, that one is pretty ugly indeed | 21:09 |
| ttx | if we open an RC2 window now what else would you include in it ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | bug 1233329 (also fixcommitted) | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233329 in keystone "034 migration fails for SQLite if there is data in the user table" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233329 | 21:10 |
| dolphm | if we have a clean way to backport a fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1231657 -- i'd like to include taht | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1231657 in keystone "DB2 disconnect not handled pessimistically" [Medium,In progress] | 21:10 |
| dolphm | in master, we're fixing the same issue by switching to oslo.db | 21:10 |
| dolphm | so that wouldn't quite be backportable unless we slip a discrete fix into master first, then nuke it with oslo.db | 21:11 |
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| ttx | dolphm: it's fine to not cherrypick in that case | 21:11 |
| ttx | dolphm: we just need to be extra careful with the patch though | 21:11 |
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| dolphm | understood | 21:12 |
| dolphm | the fix would be coming from oslo code either way | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, let's open a RC2 window now with 1234873 1233329 and 1231657 | 21:12 |
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| dolphm | it'll either be oslo-incubator to keystone.common.sql.core, or the fix will be in keystone.openstack.common.db | 21:12 |
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| ttx | dolphm: note that we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50455/ proposed already ? | 21:13 |
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| ttx | dolphm: will talk to you just after meeting to create the RC2 and target stuff to it | 21:13 |
| dolphm | oh interesting, thanks | 21:13 |
| ttx | dolphm: you can look into that one in the mean time | 21:13 |
| ttx | Anything else that may affect us ? | 21:13 |
| dolphm | that is all! | 21:13 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Keystone ? | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:14 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:14 |
| jd__ | yop | 21:14 |
| ttx | #info Ceilometer RC1 is out | 21:14 |
| ttx | A few bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but nothing serious enough to trigger RC2 so far ? | 21:14 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:14 |
| jd__ | no indeed | 21:14 |
| ttx | Anything standing between you and release at this time that I should know about ? | 21:15 |
| jd__ | nothing nor nobody | 21:15 |
| ttx | OK, you should probably start working on the release notes then :) | 21:15 |
| ttx | we'll do another checkpoint on Thursday | 21:16 |
| jd__ | ack | 21:16 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 21:16 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Ceilometer ? | 21:16 |
| jd__ | no news | 21:16 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:16 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:17 |
| notmyname | hello! | 21:17 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.10.0-rc1 | 21:17 |
| ttx | You told me you're likely to give me a SHA for 1.10.0-rc1 later today ? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | that's the plan :-) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | getting the final reviews for the in progress bugs | 21:17 |
| ttx | OK, the three inporgress bugs left are the last blockers ? | 21:17 |
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| ttx | inprogress* | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | the memcache one (the high priority one) is the most important. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ttx: but ya, that's all I'm tracking right now | 21:18 |
| ttx | OK, just send me an email if you complete all today and I'll will create havana release branch ("milestone-proposed") and tag from it first thing tomorrow | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ttx: worst case, if the med priority ones don't land, it's not a blocker | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ttx: ok, I'll let you know asap | 21:18 |
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| ttx | ok just make sure https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.10.0-rc1 looks all Implemented and FixCommitted by the end of your day :) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ttx: I also have the authors/changelog update proposed. just needs to land | 21:19 |
| ttx | (can be done by punting some bugs out) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:19 |
| ttx | Note that once you send me the SHA you can consider master opened for Icehouse business | 21:19 |
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| ttx | since I'll branch from there | 21:19 |
| notmyname | sounds good | 21:19 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Swift ? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I'm good | 21:19 |
| ttx | notmyname: thx! | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:20 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:20 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:20 |
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| ttx | #info Glance RC1 is out | 21:20 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:20 |
| ttx | A few "Critical" bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but no fixes yet | 21:20 |
| markwash | Yes, I just updated that list to reflect what I hope to accomplish for rc2 by this week | 21:21 |
| ttx | markwash: shall we open an RC2 window now with the critical ones there ? | 21:21 |
| markwash | ttx: yes please | 21:21 |
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| ttx | markwash: shall we add all those to the RC2 list ? We can refine later if it goes west | 21:22 |
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| markwash | yes, I guess I'm missing out on some of the mechanics here (as usual) | 21:22 |
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| ttx | markwash: I'll convert the tagged list to a RC2-targeted list just after meeting | 21:22 |
| markwash | from what I definitely understand, I want to get those patches approved in master, and then hope that they apply cleanly to rc2 / milestone proposed whichever branch | 21:23 |
| * markwash hopes that makes sense | 21:23 | |
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| ttx | markwash: the fix needs to land in master first | 21:23 |
| markwash | right | 21:23 |
| markwash | approved / landed | 21:24 |
| ttx | so the easiest is to only propose to milestone-proposed when that happens | 21:24 |
| markwash | sounds good to me! | 21:24 |
| ttx | I can check them and approve them wen they are proposed to m-p | 21:24 |
| ttx | so... the easiest is... you backport and I check :) | 21:24 |
| markwash | +1 | 21:24 |
| markwash | sounds like the right way to go | 21:24 |
| ttx | don't forget to work on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana at some point too | 21:24 |
| markwash | thanks for the reminder | 21:25 |
| ttx | We'll refine the RC2 list on Thursday so that we complete the RC2 by end of week | 21:25 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Glance ? | 21:25 |
| markwash | that's it from me! | 21:25 |
| markwash | Two new core members! | 21:25 |
| ttx | yay | 21:25 |
| markwash | zhiyan and flwang | 21:25 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:26 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hola | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:26 |
| ttx | #info Neutron RC1 is out, RC2 window already opened | 21:26 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 21:26 |
| ttx | 6 backports needed | 21:26 |
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| ttx | 2 bugs with master fixes in progress | 21:26 |
| ttx | of the 6 backports some were already proposed and are stuck at various stages in the queue | 21:27 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: how far are you for those last two master fixes ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | bug 1224001 | 21:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224001 | 21:27 |
| ttx | bug 1236970 | 21:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236970 in neutron "plumgrid plugin is missing quota table" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236970 | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | plumgrid not too far off | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | 1224001: already merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50424/ | 21:28 |
| ttx | hmm, is it partial-bug then ? | 21:29 |
| ttx | or closes-bug ? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | was waiting to officially call this one fixed | 21:29 |
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| ttx | Let's make it tentatively FixReleased ? | 21:29 |
| ttx | so that we know we are not waiting on something ? | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | yeah that works for me | 21:30 |
| ttx | done | 21:30 |
| ttx | markmcclain: so you are in good shape for the RC2. Anything else you want to add to it ? | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | yeah I think we're ok for now | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | nothing else new from me | 21:31 |
| ttx | markmcclain: if we are still ok tomorrow we might just cut it | 21:31 |
| ttx | (if all merges) | 21:31 |
| ttx | Don't forget to work on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana too | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | ok.. that works for me | 21:32 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Neutron ? | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the reminder.. I'll update | 21:32 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:32 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 21:32 |
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| ttx | #info Cinder RC1 is out | 21:32 |
| ttx | A few "High" bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but only fix is bug 1235187 | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235187 in cinder "VMware: Failed to create volume from image after session timeout" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235187 | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:33 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: hola | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | bad wifi | 21:34 |
| ttx | jgriffith: would you consider any of those RC2-worthy, if they get fixed before end of week ? | 21:34 |
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| jgriffith | so far my answer has been no | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | The only one I care about is the glance API spec | 21:34 |
| ttx | jgriffith: Right, let's do another checkpoint on Thursday but I'd say at this point a RC2 is not warranted | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | agreed | 21:35 |
| ttx | OK, maybe use your time to start working on the Havana release notes :) | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | Yes :( | 21:35 |
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| ttx | the funniest part of the PTL job. You should delegate that one :) | 21:35 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Cinder ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | ha! Indeed I should | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | last check we've all but eradicated the gate issues | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | I'm happy about that | 21:36 |
| ttx | "want to be ptl in place of the PTL ? Start by doing my release notes" | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | s/issues/failing cinder items/ | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | haha! | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | I may try that approach :) | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: yes, the gate is in way better shape this week. Makes me less worried about spinning RCs | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | indeed | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | was frightened last week | 21:37 |
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| jgriffith | anyway... I'm good with RC1 so far | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok thx! | 21:37 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:37 | |
| ttx | russellb: hi! | 21:37 |
| ttx | #info Nova RC1 is out | 21:38 |
| ttx | Lots of bugs on the havana-rc-potential list: | 21:38 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:38 |
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| ttx | Do we have a russellb around ? | 21:39 |
| russellb | yep | 21:39 |
| russellb | sorry | 21:39 |
| ttx | russellb: No fix worthy of an RC2 at this point though, right ? | 21:39 |
| russellb | i've been very strict on RC bugs as we led up to rc1 | 21:39 |
| russellb | right | 21:39 |
| russellb | IMO, anyway | 21:40 |
| russellb | but will be watching this week | 21:40 |
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| russellb | (and next week) | 21:40 |
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| ttx | ok, we'll do another checkpoint tomorrow | 21:40 |
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| russellb | sounds good | 21:40 |
| ttx | but you seem to have a solid release so far | 21:41 |
| russellb | \o/ | 21:41 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Nova ? | 21:41 |
| russellb | i know i need to do release notes too | 21:41 |
| russellb | we've at least been tracking some upgrade notes along the way | 21:41 |
| russellb | but i'll flesh all that out soon | 21:41 |
| ttx | there is a bit of NOva info in i, which is why you don't get the painful ping | 21:41 |
| russellb | heh | 21:41 |
| russellb | i created the page early in the cycle to start tracking stuff :) | 21:41 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:42 |
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| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:42 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:42 |
| ttx | #info Heat RC1 is out, RC2 window already opened | 21:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 21:42 |
| ttx | We have 6 open bugs -- are they all likely to be fixed in the next few days ? | 21:42 |
| shardy | Yes, I think so, mostly small but fairly important fixes AFAICS | 21:43 |
| shardy | I'll chase through the reviews and patches tomorrow | 21:43 |
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| ttx | shardy: yes, so far your fixes were pretty well-contained, I enjoyed reviewing them | 21:43 |
| ttx | as in: I actually understood them | 21:43 |
| shardy | Yeah, mostly pretty simple fixes, so far :) | 21:43 |
| ttx | I'd like to publish your RC2 before the end of the week | 21:44 |
| ttx | so I'll track progress on those last 6 closely | 21:44 |
| shardy | Yep, that sounds good, and I think we should be on-target for that | 21:44 |
| ttx | You need to start working on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana , too | 21:44 |
| shardy | Yes, will do | 21:44 |
| ttx | usually between RC windows :) | 21:44 |
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| ttx | Other news / questions about Heat ? | 21:45 |
| shardy | That's all from me, thanks! | 21:45 |
| ttx | shardy: thx! | 21:45 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:45 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:45 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:45 |
| ttx | #info Horizon RC1 is out | 21:45 |
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| ttx | A few interesting things on your havana-rc-potential list: | 21:45 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:45 |
| gabrielhurley | I think a Horizon RC2 would be a good idea, while not strictly required. | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1235053 is the most notable bug | 21:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235053 in horizon "Create Project: Unable to retrieve default quota values" [High,Fix committed] | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | but https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1234317 would be great to do | 21:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234317 in horizon "Need another translation imports for Havana release" [High,Confirmed] | 21:46 |
| ttx | yes | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1211535 is a nice-to-have | 21:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211535 in horizon "HorizonMiddleware class causes excessive session creation" [Medium,In progress] | 21:46 |
| ttx | I think we can open a RC2 window now | 21:46 |
| ttx | and target those two "high" + any fixcommitted left on the list | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd almost do it just to hae the extra week and a half of translations, but those two bugs seem worthwhile | 21:47 |
| ttx | like that typo | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 21:47 |
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| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 21:47 |
| ttx | will be on it just after meeting | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | perfect | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | I haven't seen any other noteable bugs come in though, which is a good sign | 21:47 |
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| ttx | will push 1211535 on the list as requested | 21:47 |
| ttx | we can refine it out if the fix doesn't come in time | 21:48 |
| ttx | objective is to publish Thursday or Friday | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 21:48 |
| ttx | and then go into retentive mode | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | we'll get these all taken care of quick | 21:48 |
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| ttx | Note that we already have a backport proposal for the fix for bug 1234119 | 21:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234119 in horizon "typo: "gruop" and "remove from"" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234119 | 21:48 |
| ttx | I'll unfreeze it when properly targeted | 21:49 |
| ttx | Also you'll have to copy some of your internal release notes to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 21:49 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Horizon ? | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | nope, that's it | 21:49 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: thx! | 21:49 |
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| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:49 |
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| ttx | Trove got an RC2 published today | 21:50 |
| ttx | that would be the only havana-incubated project I do releases for at this point | 21:50 |
| ttx | hub_cap: questions ? | 21:50 |
| hub_cap | nosir | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | thx for cutting my rc2 | 21:51 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:51 |
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| ttx | Questions anyone ? | 21:51 |
| hub_cap | 1 q... how often does this meeting actually have open discussion?!?! | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | :P | 21:52 |
| ttx | when I go embarassingly too fast | 21:52 |
| ttx | ok, let's end this early so that I can open RC2 windows for Keystone/Glance/Horizon before falling asleep | 21:52 |
| hub_cap | thx ttx! | 21:52 |
| dolphm | yay | 21:52 |
| lifeless | :) | 21:52 |
| ttx | if you have questions just ping me on irc | 21:52 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 21:53:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-08-21.02.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-08-21.02.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-08-21.02.log.html | 21:53 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 21:55 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 21:55 |
| ttx | you shall propose backports for all (except the typo I'll approve in a second) | 21:55 |
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| ttx | I'll review and approve them | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | okay | 21:56 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 8 22:00:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | hello folks | 22:00 |
| lsmola__ | hello | 22:00 |
| jcoufal | _o/ | 22:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello | 22:00 |
| jpich | Hello o/ | 22:01 |
| lblanchard | hey all | 22:01 |
| kspear | hello | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic general | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | So, as of 5 minutes ago we have an RC2 | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | mostly very minor stuff | 22:02 |
| julim | hello | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | we need to bakport the existing fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1235053 | 22:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235053 in horizon "Create Project: Unable to retrieve default quota values" [High,Fix committed] | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | and then get new fixes up for the remaining two | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | process wise: | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | fix in master as normal | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | propose backport to the milestone-proposed branch | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | we can +2, but ttx will do the final approval to merge | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | s/can/should | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | The goal is to cut the RC2 on either Thursday or Friday, so let's try and get the reviews merged to master tomorrow | 22:04 |
| kspear | this bug might also be RC2 worthy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1236326 | 22:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236326 in horizon "AttributeError: 'Client' object has no attribute 'ec2'" [High,Confirmed] | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | hmmm | 22:04 |
| jpich | Not fixed on master yet though | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | if we get a patch for it I'd consider it | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd like to see the patch though | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | that seems more like a fix that keystoneclient should deal with instead of us :-/ | 22:06 |
| kspear | jpich, yeah but if we want a fix i can push one up very quickly | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | dolphm: have you looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1236326 | 22:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236326 in horizon "AttributeError: 'Client' object has no attribute 'ec2'" [High,Confirmed] | 22:06 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: you guys don't really need to +1/+2. The milestone-proposed review is just about checking that the bug was targeted to RC2, is the same as the core-approved master fix | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | kspear: if you'd put up a patch that'd be great | 22:06 |
| ttx | it's basically a doublecheck | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: ah, okay. used to be that you wanted us to assert it was good to go, but if you don't care that's easy enough | 22:06 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: as long as you targeted the bug to rc2 it should be golden | 22:07 |
| ttx | (or you proposed the backport for it) | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:07 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: I would hold a patch pushed by someone random who also happens to be the one who targeted the bug to rc2 :) | 22:07 |
| ttx | so that I get YOUR approval on it | 22:08 |
| kspear | gabrielhurley: will do | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | if one of the other Horizon core folks pushes the backport I'll be sure to +2 it | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | but it will definitely be on the RC2 list and tied to a fix in master first | 22:08 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: but if you are the backport author and/or you targeted to rc2 yourself, i'll just doublecheck the patch landed in master and run with it | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 22:08 |
| dolphm | gabrielhurley: i have not... | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | dolphm: any thoughts on it, in the 30 seconds you've been aware of it? ;-) | 22:09 |
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| dolphm | gabrielhurley: so far it looks like a bug report | 22:09 |
| lsmola__ | hehe | 22:10 |
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| dolphm | gabrielhurley: what's the chance it's getting a v3 client without that manager? | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | haha | 22:10 |
| dolphm | ... as kieran spear suggested | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | how 'bout this, kspear and dolphm you wanna side-channel coordinate a solution and report back? | 22:11 |
| dolphm | kspear: o/ | 22:11 |
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| gabrielhurley | cool. sooooo, that's the business at hand, generally speaking. | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | otherwise the RC is looking solid | 22:12 |
| kspear | gabrielhurley: sure | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | amotoki: if you'll take care of the translation import again as per the ticket that would be fanstastic | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'll email as well | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | anyhow, that's what I've got for project business today. | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic bugs | 22:16 |
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| gabrielhurley | does anyone have any other bugs they think should be addressed in an RC2? | 22:16 |
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| jpich | If it gets into master it might be nice to backport https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1236423 (update to settings example file for logging) | 22:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236423 in horizon "Default LOGGING configuration doesn't log anything" [Medium,In progress] | 22:17 |
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| gabrielhurley | if it gets into master quickly I'm good with that | 22:18 |
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| jpich | Cool! | 22:19 |
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| gabrielhurley | great! | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:23 |
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| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: wanna give an update on where things are at with the UX discussion tools? | 22:23 |
| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: sure | 22:24 |
| jcoufal | so the fact is that askbot is not running on mysql | 22:24 |
| jcoufal | so there needs to be postgresql | 22:24 |
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| jcoufal | we might run askbot on openstack servers, but need to setup postgresql together with that | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | so someone needs to write puppet scripts on that deployment - that will take time | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | in the meantime, we are almost done with temporary deployment on openshift | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | so we can move there, start using advantages on askbot | 22:25 |
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| jcoufal | and when official deployment is done, we just move DB data from temporary to official server | 22:26 |
| jcoufal | conclusion: temporary askbot will be out in few days, official askbot deployment will take time | 22:27 |
| jcoufal | the only problem is that we won't get openstack.org domain as long as it is on on our servers, so we will have to use different URL for now | 22:28 |
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| jpich | Yay :) | 22:29 |
| lsmola__ | :-) | 22:29 |
| ekarlso | doesn't the infra team have puppet modules for this btw ? | 22:29 |
| jcoufal | boo for domain, yay for moving forward :) | 22:29 |
| jpich | Yep :) | 22:30 |
| jcoufal | ekarlso: they havn't for askbot | 22:30 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: thanks for continuing to push this change | 22:30 |
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| gabrielhurley | well, I guess we can redirect later on. this all sounds like a good start | 22:31 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 22:31 |
| jcoufal | np, more supporting infrastructure stuff for UX should appear in time | 22:31 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else got topics they'd like to discuss? | 22:31 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: wondering if we can include this for I-1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/swift-container-public-access | 22:31 |
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| lcheng | I got the patch ready, it provides a convenience method for user to create a public container. | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | absolutely | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | I usually don't organize the blueprints into specific milestones until around the summit | 22:32 |
| lcheng | Got a screenshot to go with as well. :) | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | but if you're on it then feel free to make it happen | 22:32 |
| lcheng | thanks! | 22:32 |
| lcheng | cool | 22:32 |
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| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, that answers also my question :-) | 22:34 |
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| gabrielhurley | excellent | 22:35 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, btw. I have sent list of ceilometer bps to cores via launchpad | 22:35 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, though I am not sure it works :-) | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, I see it now. It does work, I just file my launchpad notifications into a separate folder that I don't look at as often | 22:36 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, oh, ok | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | launchpad doesn't differentiate messages from people apart from general bug/blueprint change notifications well. it's annoying | 22:36 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, would you have time to go through them and approve/cencel them ? :-) | 22:37 |
| gabrielhurley | yep, I'll take a look | 22:37 |
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| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, cool, thank you very much | 22:37 |
| gabrielhurley | yep, sorry I didn't see the message before | 22:37 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, np | 22:38 |
| gabrielhurley | cool. anybody else? | 22:38 |
| lsmola__ | gabrielhurley, we are still waiting for the wireframes :-) | 22:38 |
| lsmola__ | lblanchard, do you have some update on the wireframes? | 22:39 |
| lblanchard | lsmola: I hope to have something to share by the end of the week…got caught up in some other stuff :) | 22:39 |
| lsmola__ | ok cool :-D | 22:39 |
| lblanchard | I'm working on versions of the Tuskar detail wireframes that I shared last week that would be focused for Horizon | 22:39 |
| david-lyle | gabrielhurley: to fix the session creation bug, we have to bump openstack/requirements or bad things happen. I'm submitting a patch now for the bump | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | yep. let's see if that becomes an issue or not | 22:40 |
| david-lyle | gabrialhurley: I've asked the developer to unabandon the patch, but I will need to update horizon's requirements too | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | we need to fix it either way. I'm not 100% sure how the gate will interact in trying to backport | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: if the developer is unresponsive just re-propose the patch yourself | 22:40 |
| david-lyle | he's responsive just busy :) | 22:41 |
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| gabrielhurley | just pushing the patch again is easy enough, I'd say don't wait | 22:46 |
| gabrielhurley | it won't change the author data in the commit | 22:46 |
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| david-lyle | ok | 22:46 |
| david-lyle | requirements patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50505/ | 22:47 |
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| gabrielhurley | +2'd | 22:48 |
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| gabrielhurley | alright, last call for topics | 22:50 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 22:50 |
| lsmola__ | lblanchard, I guess now is the time? :-) | 22:50 |
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| gabrielhurley | that sounds ominous | 22:50 |
| lblanchard | lsmola: for? | 22:50 |
| lblanchard | haha | 22:50 |
| lsmola__ | lblanchard, I thought the update will continue :-) | 22:51 |
| lblanchard | lsmola: the update for the detail pages? | 22:51 |
| lsmola__ | lblanchard, yes | 22:51 |
| lblanchard | mostly just wanted to let folks know that I'm still work through them :) lsmola suggested I create versions that are based on data we could show in Horizon | 22:52 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 22:52 |
| jcoufal | lsmola__: I thought lblanchard already gave one :) | 22:52 |
| lblanchard | hopefully I will have a more interesting update next week with some actual wireframes for people to see ;) | 22:53 |
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| lsmola__ | lblanchard, ok, cool, thank you very much | 22:53 |
| jcoufal | lblanchard: I hope we can review that on askbot by that time :) | 22:53 |
| lblanchard | lsmola: no problem! | 22:53 |
| lblanchard | jcoufal: that would be awesome! | 22:53 |
| lsmola__ | lblanchard, looking forward :-) | 22:54 |
| lblanchard | jcoufal: I will also post the Tuskar ones there when it's up and going | 22:54 |
| jcoufal | yup, I will do global announcement once it is ready for use | 22:54 |
| lblanchard | jcoufal: sounds great | 22:54 |
| gabrielhurley | perfect | 22:54 |
| david-lyle | Toshi: does the true workflow you proposed have a patch that's ready? | 22:54 |
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| david-lyle | or wizard | 22:55 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle, Toshi: Some of our guys wanted to help there too, so I am interested as well how it goes | 22:56 |
| david-lyle | hmm, thought I Toshi join, maybe not | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | s/I/I saw/ | 22:57 |
| jcoufal | we can try to catch him on the BP | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | sounds good | 22:57 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | well, times up | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | good meeting folks | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | lets get these reviews done in the next day or so | 23:00 |
| gabrielhurley | talk to you all again soon | 23:00 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| lcheng | thanks, have a great week! | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 23:00:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-08-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-08-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-08-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| lblanchard | thanks all! | 23:00 |
| david-lyle | have a good week everyone! | 23:00 |
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| julim | thank you all. have a good day. | 23:00 |
| jcoufal | thanks all and have a great week | 23:00 |
| lsmola__ | thank you everybody, good night :-) | 23:00 |
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