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| mestery | hi | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 25 14:00:23 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:00 |
| mestery | A very light and focused agenda again today. | 14:00 |
| mestery | #topic devstack | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:01 | |
| mestery | First item is changing devstack to default to ML2 instead of OVS. | 14:01 |
| mestery | Which is tracked with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1220745 | 14:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1220745 in devstack "Change devstack to use the ML2 plugin instead of the OVS plugin by default" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:01 |
| mestery | Right now rkukura and I are trying to understand why tempest is failing with ML2. | 14:01 |
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| mestery | We hope to track this down soon. | 14:02 |
| rkukura | We need the full set of tempest smoke tests to pass, since these are used in the gate | 14:02 |
| mestery | Yes. We haven't had much luck with consistency of failures at this point. | 14:03 |
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| sukhdev | Are these the tests that are run by Jenkins? | 14:03 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:03 |
| mestery | We had thought that Yong's port-binding and LBaaS patch may help, and we'll likely recheck the devstack review once this goes in (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47309/) | 14:04 |
| rkukura | but I, mestery, and the gate all seem to consistently get different failures | 14:04 |
| mestery | So we'll keep at this today and hope to figure this one out. | 14:05 |
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| rkukura | any help from others would be appreciated as well | 14:05 |
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| mestery | One more devstack item | 14:05 |
| mestery | Per MechanismDriver config with devstack | 14:06 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40882/ Review | 14:06 |
| mestery | feleouet: Good timing here. :) | 14:06 |
| mestery | I addressed your concerns, so another review would be appreciated | 14:06 |
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| mestery | The new patch is simpler to use | 14:06 |
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| sukhdev | is there a way to specify .ini file? I tried to do it and it did not work for me | 14:06 |
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| mestery | Yes, you can do that, but that method is limited to a .ini file from /opt/stack/neutron/etc. | 14:07 |
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| mestery | So you end up modifying a .ini file in place and it copies it from there. | 14:07 |
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| mestery | Which works, but this review patch is more flexible IMHO. | 14:07 |
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| feleouet | mestery: great! Anyway, will this change cover per-Md config: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46768/ | 14:07 |
| mestery | feleouet: Yes, that looks likely, I'll review that one, thanks for pointing it out! | 14:08 |
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| feleouet | (it looks like deans want to deprecate EXTA_OPTS) | 14:08 |
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| mestery | Yes, and this makes sense, as some of that code was replicated. | 14:08 |
| mestery | It's likely I will abandon my prior patch in favor of this one. | 14:09 |
| mestery | Any other devstack items or issues by anyone? | 14:09 |
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| sukhdev | It worked mostly for me - will test one more time with .ini file and post on the review. | 14:09 |
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| mestery | #topic Documentation | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:10 | |
| mestery | rkukura? | 14:10 |
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| rkukura | See https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 | 14:11 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 ML2 Documentation Bugs | 14:11 |
| rkukura | There are 4 main items | 14:11 |
| rkukura | I've signed up for the cloud admin guide | 14:11 |
| rkukura | That's https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230283 | 14:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230283 in openstack-manuals "Add neutron ml2 plugin info to cloud admin guide" [Undecided,New] | 14:12 |
| mestery | Looks like the other 3 need owners. | 14:12 |
| dandrushko | rkukura: which os these relates to Networking admin guide? | 14:12 |
| rkukura | I think dandrushko is taking https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230266 | 14:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230266 in openstack-manuals "Update neutron demo in install-guide to use ml2 plugin" [Undecided,New] | 14:12 |
| rkukura | so we need someone for https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1229237 | 14:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229237 in openstack-manuals "Update configuration reference for neutron ml2 plugin" [Undecided,New] | 14:13 |
| dandrushko | ok, if you don't mind i'll take this one | 14:13 |
| rkukura | and someone for https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230276 | 14:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230276 in openstack-manuals "Add neutron ml2 plugin info to installation guide" [Undecided,New] | 14:13 |
| sukhdev | I can take one of these | 14:13 |
| mestery | Please assign yourself these bugs in launchpad and perhaps ping rkukura to let him know once you've done that so we don't duplicate ffort. | 14:13 |
| mestery | *effort | 14:13 |
| dandrushko | ok | 14:13 |
| mestery | Cool | 14:14 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Thanks! | 14:14 |
| mestery | rkukura had sent out an email with instructions on setting yoruself up for documentation updates, that was very helpful to me at least! | 14:14 |
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| sukhdev | Shall I assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230276 to myself? | 14:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230276 in openstack-manuals "Add neutron ml2 plugin info to installation guide" [Undecided,New] | 14:14 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: +1 | 14:15 |
| dandrushko | i've assigned to this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230266 | 14:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230266 in openstack-manuals "Update neutron demo in install-guide to use ml2 plugin" [Undecided,New] | 14:15 |
| roaet | Hello all, sorry I'm late, terrible traffic. | 14:15 |
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| mestery | roaet: No worries, we're just looking at documentation bugs now. | 14:15 |
| mestery | So there is one left unassigned now it seems? | 14:15 |
| rkukura | roaet: We are signing up for doc bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 | 14:16 |
| roaet | So there is one left? | 14:16 |
| rkukura | There are also minor updates needed in various other guides | 14:16 |
| rkukura | And the wikis as well | 14:16 |
| mestery | roaet: This one is left: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1229237 | 14:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229237 in openstack-manuals "Update configuration reference for neutron ml2 plugin" [Undecided,New] | 14:17 |
| roaet | I guess I made it to the party just in time. I can be assigned to it, and I will do my best to properly document it. | 14:18 |
| rkukura | roaet: Thanks! | 14:18 |
| mestery | roaet: Great, thanks! | 14:18 |
| roaet | Should I ust claim it? | 14:18 |
| mestery | roaet: Yes, please do. | 14:18 |
| roaet | ust/just | 14:18 |
| roaet | Alright, done. | 14:18 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thank you for organizing all of the documentation activities! | 14:18 |
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| rkukura | I'm told the reorganization/consolidation of the manuals that was planned is complete | 14:19 |
| mestery | Thats good news! | 14:19 |
| sukhdev | did we decide about the updates to the wikis" | 14:19 |
| mestery | I can sign up for wiki updates. I suspect we're mostly looking to change from OVS to ML2 in places? | 14:20 |
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| sukhdev | I can help with some - | 14:20 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Great! Lets coordinate! | 14:20 |
| sukhdev | sounds good | 14:20 |
| rkukura | Each MD maintainer should make sure their wiki is complete | 14:20 |
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| mestery | #topic Testing and Bugs | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing and Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:22 | |
| mestery | So, at this point, we should also focus on testing ML2 in it's various forms and filing and fixing bugs. | 14:22 |
| mestery | This is something everyone can help with, as the more testing with ML2 we do the better. | 14:22 |
| sukhdev | I have been testing ML2 and noticed one issue - sent out the email few days ago | 14:22 |
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| mestery | sukhdev: Saw that, apologies for not replying yet, was traveling last week. | 14:23 |
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| sukhdev | mestery: no worries | 14:23 |
| mestery | So, anything else on testing from anyone? | 14:24 |
| sukhdev | Shall I open a bug for the issue I reported? | 14:24 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Yes, that's the best way to track it and make sure it gets visilbity. | 14:24 |
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| matrohon | i posted a bug on live-migration : | 14:25 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224967 | 14:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224967 in neutron "port down after live migration" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:25 |
| matrohon | but it depends on a nova bug : | 14:26 |
| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46739/ | 14:26 |
| mestery | matrohon: So you ahve a patch for the nova bug as well as the neutron one? | 14:26 |
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| matrohon | mestery : yes but I don't have a core-reviewer on it | 14:26 |
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| mestery | I see that there are now a bunch of +1s, so hopefully this gets on the nova folks agenda, the fix looks fine to me | 14:27 |
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| mestery | I'll review the neutron patch after the meeting | 14:27 |
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| matrohon | mestery : thanks | 14:27 |
| roaet | matrohon: I can get a core for you | 14:28 |
| mestery | Thanks for trying live migration with ML2 as well matrohon, this is the exact thing we need to do to catch these bugs. | 14:28 |
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| mestery | roaet: Thanks, that would be awesome! | 14:28 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: I'll review that one as well | 14:28 |
| mestery | Any other bugs to bring up now? | 14:28 |
| matrohon | roaet, rkukura : thanks | 14:28 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:29 |
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| mestery | Next week we'll start talking about design summit sessions around ML2. | 14:29 |
| mestery | We'll want to file those in the next 2-3 weeks, along with blueprints for the community items we'll focus on as a team for ML2 in Icehouse. | 14:30 |
| rkukura | We need to be responsive to any issues as ml2 starts getting used by a lot more people! | 14:30 |
| mestery | rkukura: +100 | 14:30 |
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| mestery | Thank you to everyone for all of your ML2 efforts! | 14:31 |
| roaet | Question, has the configuration file options from http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-network/admin/content/app_core.html (obviously grizzly, but y'know..) been considered? | 14:31 |
| rkukura | roaet: Most of the network admin guide has been moved to other guides | 14:32 |
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| roaet | Ok, just checking, my apologies. | 14:32 |
| rkukura | we definitely need to update what remains, unless this document is completely deprecated | 14:32 |
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| mestery | I thought it was planned for deprecation, but maybe I heard wrong. | 14:33 |
| rkukura | This guide is still in the source, but no longer on http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/ | 14:33 |
| mestery | So does that mean it's on it's way out? | 14:34 |
| roaet | Ah got it, was looking at the wrong thing. | 14:34 |
| rkukura | roaet: We should ask Anne about this I think | 14:34 |
| rkukura | And also make sure no essential info is being lost | 14:35 |
| roaet | Tis a good idea. Thank you. | 14:35 |
| rkukura | roaet: Do you want to look into this, and file any doc bugs that are needed? | 14:36 |
| dandrushko | all, did i correctly understood, that networking admin guide will be removed from docs? | 14:36 |
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| mestery | dandrushko: I think it was merged into another guide, right rkukura? | 14:36 |
| roaet | rkukura: I will contact anne just to make sure. | 14:36 |
| dandrushko | which is replacement? | 14:37 |
| rkukura | dandrushko: As I understand, pieces of it were moved to different docs | 14:37 |
| rkukura | cloud-admin-guide, install-guide, config-ref | 14:37 |
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| dandrushko | thanks | 14:37 |
| mestery | OK, thanks folks! Keep up the momentum and we'll see everyone back here next week! | 14:38 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 25 14:38:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-25-14.00.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-25-14.00.txt | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-25-14.00.log.html | 14:38 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 14:38 |
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| dandrushko | thanks! | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 25 15:00:39 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hands up the for XenAPI meeting? | 15:00 |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:00 |
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| matel | hi | 15:01 |
| BobBall | euanh is also here | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, so any updates on drafting stuff for Icehouse, and filling out the XenAPI session, or other summit sessions? | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | nope - we've got a brainstorm tomorrow I hope (need to plan it) to see if we want to submit other summit session | 15:03 |
| BobBall | or whether then xenapi stuff can fit in the xenapi session | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I did say before that we needed to have a chat about the xenapi session | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | but I can't "fill it out" until there is an etherpad or something that I can contribute to | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, I thought we said discuss it this week | 15:04 |
| BobBall | and as for drafting stuff for icehouse, still focused on what needs to be done pre-summit ATM | 15:04 |
| BobBall | fine by me :) | 15:04 |
| matel | Let's start to throw in ideas. | 15:04 |
| BobBall | although I'm not in the right mental state to remember the things I wanted to raise today! | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/IcehouseXenAPIRoadmap | 15:04 |
| matel | Let's re-visit the previous summit's roadmap first | 15:05 |
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| matel | compute driver events | 15:05 |
| matel | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-driver-events | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, sounds like Bob wan't to do this next week | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | that's still something that we want to do | 15:06 |
| BobBall | so hopefully we can get it done in icehouse | 15:06 |
| matel | Okay, Let's put it there. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | the problem is I can imagine it's lower priority than some of the other things we might be doing | 15:06 |
| matel | Also I don't quite get its status from the blueprint. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | that blueprint was the KVM version | 15:07 |
| BobBall | we don't haev a XenAPI equivalent | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | we did have | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | but it got dropped | 15:08 |
| BobBall | oh right | 15:08 |
| BobBall | what's the link to that? | 15:08 |
| matel | Okay, so that's one | 15:08 |
| BobBall | so we can use that instead of the KVM blueprint as the ref? | 15:08 |
| matel | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-driver-events | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-compute-driver-events | 15:08 |
| matel | look at the dependency tree | 15:08 |
| BobBall | duh - didn't scroll down, sorry. | 15:09 |
| matel | Okay, we have one. | 15:09 |
| BobBall | yup, so that should be on the roadmap | 15:09 |
| matel | Who is editing the etherpad now? | 15:10 |
| BobBall | me | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I'm done though | 15:10 |
| BobBall | for now | 15:10 |
| matel | volume drivers | 15:10 |
| BobBall | more details? | 15:10 |
| matel | Should be an easy one. | 15:10 |
| matel | A refactor mainly | 15:10 |
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| matel | So that you can plug in your volume driver to nova. | 15:11 |
| BobBall | which volume driver? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | maybe I'm being silly but I'm confused :) | 15:12 |
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| matel | The code that connects a volume to your hypervisor. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the cinder stuff | 15:12 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | refactoring to match the libvirt code | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its easier to plug in additional stuff | 15:12 |
| BobBall | a volume being provided by Cinder, using iSCSI? or are you talking about using a different XS SR? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | perhaps it's the "additional stuff" that I'm not understanding :) | 15:13 |
| matel | For example, say XS supports ceph | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so whatever, you could lay a file SR over the top of some additional thing you attach, etc | 15:13 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:13 |
| matel | We would need a driver for that | 15:13 |
| matel | In a nice separated class. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup, ceph is the perfect example | 15:13 |
| matel | you just drop it in, and off you go. | 15:13 |
| BobBall | okies, understood | 15:13 |
| BobBall | I guess that's medium priority for us | 15:14 |
| matel | Okay, so that's something we want to do (this example is showing one usecase) | 15:14 |
| matel | Okay, put medium to it for now. | 15:14 |
| matel | next item. | 15:14 |
| matel | gpu passthrough | 15:14 |
| matel | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-gpu-passthrough | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the priorities mean something different now | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I'd say that's medium | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | russell will change those | 15:15 |
| BobBall | sure | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I'm talking about my/our priorities | 15:15 |
| matel | I'd say, let's collect some random stuff for now. | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we just need to communicate how important or not it is | 15:15 |
| BobBall | as in Citrix | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:15 |
| BobBall | as an input into the prioritsation of what we want to work on | 15:15 |
| BobBall | OFC I expect RS to have their own priorities to feed into this | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | well did you want to do that, and come back with your list of ideas? | 15:15 |
| matel | it's just a string. | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | which may influence what citrix implement etc | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, I have a meeting on monday to chat about RS summit priorities | 15:16 |
| BobBall | *confused* | 15:16 |
| BobBall | great | 15:16 |
| BobBall | I would very much love that to include input into the XenAPI roadmap | 15:16 |
| matel | So, should we carry on with the gpu stuff? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Just thinking, better use of time, you can discuss at Citrix your prioirty list, then we can review it | 15:17 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:17 |
| BobBall | vGPU mate? or pci pass through? | 15:17 |
| matel | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-gpu-passthrough | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | just to clarify, I see the XenAPI roadmap as what we agree at the summit, its not something we present as such | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I think it's still very useful (although should be generic PCI pass through support on Xen) and only a little work | 15:18 |
| BobBall | understood and agreed John - but I wanted to get lots down to discuss | 15:18 |
| BobBall | perhaps the C priorities should be left out for now, yes | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, feel free to add some of those? | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | I'll add them to the etherpad yes | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more for blueprint / summit discussions? | 15:20 |
| matel | Okay, so as John said, we should discuss these things at the summit, so let's collect ideas on etherpad. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | do we want to go through the rest of the etherpad or just add actions to update it for next meeting? | 15:20 |
| matel | Just an action. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:20 |
| matel | It doesn't make sense to discuss things now, and just present at the summit, as j said. | 15:21 |
| matel | I guess we just need to make sure, we collect stuff on ether, and everyone understands what those things mean. | 15:21 |
| BobBall | perhaps - but I'd rather not have surprises on either side too :) | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Yeah | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can go through the list before the summit | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but best to go through something that we have all contributed to in the mean time | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you see what I mean | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so any updates on this stuff? | 15:23 |
| matel | nope | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | we've hit a snag ... updates to docs are stalled ATM | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | whys that? | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | technical problems that have sprung up with getting a reusable XVA | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | XVA of what? nova-compute VM? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | which is an important Citrix goal for the summit | 15:25 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats up with it (can I remember how we may have fixed bits in olympus) | 15:26 |
| BobBall | Mate's on the ball | 15:26 |
| BobBall | it's a XS bug with networking | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, fair enough | 15:26 |
| BobBall | and the fact that we are passing the flat_network_bridge through as a kernel parameter | 15:26 |
| BobBall | if you import an XVA it can screw up the networks | 15:26 |
| matel | And I am working on to use hvc0 for stack.sh | 15:26 |
| matel | So users can interact with the vm if needed. | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, we used the pass the label rather than the names, which helped | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, sounds good | 15:27 |
| matel | Oh, does nova recognise labels as well? | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything to make getting starte easier | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: yup | 15:27 |
| matel | Ah, I didn't know that. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: we used that so you can create the xapi6 network, if you want, but just give it a standard name | 15:27 |
| matel | xapi6 is a bridge name | 15:28 |
| matel | not a networ name I guess. | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup, well, xapi-network names I was talking about | 15:28 |
| matel | I will check the nova code. | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, its in the vif drivers | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks up the network by bridge name and falls back to name-label, or something like that | 15:29 |
| matel | So you say it could deal with something like "OpenStack VM Network" | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think so, but I don't remember adding spaces | 15:29 |
| matel | Anyhow, it's a good tip. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs and QA | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, how is gating going? | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | eurgh... Giving up on xenserver-in-the-cloud for now. Can't get an automatic way to install it in either RS or HP clouds which means it's not suitable for -infra | 15:30 |
| BobBall | so the fallback is getting it working with xenserver-core | 15:31 |
| BobBall | still with devstack in domu | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like a good plan, in terms of ssh-ing into a box | 15:31 |
| BobBall | very frustrating though | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | any major bugs people hitting | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | RS cloud has some missing things I need, HP cloud has other missing things | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | *shakes his head frustratingly* | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, no one really does hypervisors in the cloud yet | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would talk to us about adding an image for xenserver core | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | yup | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | it should be possible | 15:32 |
| BobBall | that'd be great | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | well - just use centos | 15:32 |
| BobBall | then we can install xs-c :) | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | exactly | 15:33 |
| BobBall | I've got a funky script to do that | 15:33 |
| BobBall | so that's fine for me | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets get an image sorted for that testing | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | also, let me know what region you need | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | any bugs people have? | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I don't think so | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | having real issues running block base live-migration, will raise some launchpad bugs on that one, once we pin down the errors | 15:35 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: don't worry about the image - I'm doing initial testing based on CentOS 6.4 only, so that's what I'm spinning up in the RS cloud | 15:35 |
| matel | full tempest is failing, but that's only because the good old iscsi issue. | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | joy | 15:35 |
| matel | exactly | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK, if you insist | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | I want us to skip the iscsi tests in full tempets when running XS | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | so we can prove the rest is working | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | and doesn't regress | 15:36 |
| BobBall | we know why iscsi doesn't work - and it's not an OS bug | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, is that the kernel thing | 15:37 |
| matel | johnthetubaguy: the refactors are still waiting for you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46056/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46057/ | 15:38 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:38 |
| BobBall | well - actually not the kernel | 15:38 |
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| BobBall | the problem is because we're using netback/front and blkback/front for the same packets on the same machine | 15:38 |
| BobBall | it's ugly | 15:38 |
| BobBall | but it's not really an OS problem, or one you'd see in deployment | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | it only happens with devstack serving the iscsi volume from the same VM that is consuming it | 15:39 |
| BobBall | (even for a short while) | 15:39 |
| BobBall | -VM+host | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh I see | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | that makes sense | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | need the multi-machine tests to fix that | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:40 |
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| matel | bobball: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/network_utils.py#L43 | 15:40 |
| BobBall | well, to be more realistic... or we need a workaround in Xen | 15:40 |
| BobBall | which we're also working on | 15:40 |
| BobBall | yay matel! | 15:40 |
| BobBall | network name it is! | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup, its much easier that way! | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so | 15:41 |
| matel | I will modify devstack, so we no longer depend on bridge names. | 15:41 |
| BobBall | matel: but devstack should also fail earlier if we don't specify it... saves people from having a junk flat_network_bridge when it's not specified | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | devstack used to work with name_labels, I guess we lots that at some point | 15:41 |
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| BobBall | devstack will also work with name_labels I think | 15:42 |
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| matel | It works with labels. | 15:42 |
| matel | cool stuff. | 15:42 |
| matel | "OpenStack VM Network" -> osvmnet | 15:42 |
| matel | "OpenStack Public Network" -> ospubnet | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | or "OpenStack_VM_Network" | 15:43 |
| matel | is brctl happy with such long names? | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't go there | 15:43 |
| BobBall | why does brctl get involved? | 15:43 |
| matel | nova-network. | 15:43 |
| BobBall | *confused* | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not sure it gets used there either | 15:44 |
| BobBall | if we find the bridge then we're happy | 15:44 |
| BobBall | ohhhhh | 15:44 |
| BobBall | hmmmm | 15:44 |
| BobBall | we might rely on the name matching | 15:44 |
| BobBall | I think thjat's mate's point? | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not really | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova-network will create the bridges on the fly | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't remember quite where it gets those from now, it might be translated to xapi by that point | 15:45 |
| matel | in domU u have a xapi1 bridge | 15:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its that converted to a bridge name and saved int he db | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | or does the db get the name_lable | 15:45 |
| matel | so it's replicating the same as it gets from /proc/cmdline | 15:45 |
| matel | flat_network_bridge=xapi1 | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its the name label | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | the code path isn't that simple I don't think, its the network entry in the db | 15:46 |
| matel | brct show | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | which might be the same thing | 15:46 |
| matel | brctl show | 15:46 |
| matel | bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces | 15:46 |
| matel | xapi1 8000.8e3528b79d15 no eth1 | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, I just not sure if it "name_lavbel_foo" will go to xapiN | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | Seems like the max length is 15 | 15:48 |
| matel | And I don't understand what you are saying. | 15:48 |
| BobBall | perhaps it's easiest just to test it and see where it breaks :) | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | the config defines the look up in xapi | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | that goes into the DB in the network table | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is then read by nova-network when creating the bridge | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | can't remember if it gets changed en-route | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably not I guess | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, will leave that with you | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything more? | 15:49 |
| matel | mysql> select bridge from networks; | 15:49 |
| matel | +--------+ | 15:49 |
| matel | | bridge | | 15:49 |
| matel | +--------+ | 15:49 |
| matel | | xapi1 | | 15:49 |
| matel | +--------+ | 15:49 |
| matel | 1 row in set (0.00 sec) | 15:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats the one | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would expect xapi1 to be there | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the question is, if you have its name_label in the config | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you still get xapi one in the DB | 15:50 |
| matel | yes | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably not, but its worth checking | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is always the description field | 15:50 |
| matel | Okay so, the question is: db_entry = lookup_bridge_name(something) | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:51 |
| matel | Okay, will check it. | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess not | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would just test it | 15:51 |
| matel | Probably not. | 15:51 |
| matel | Sure, just kicking off a build after the meeting. | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | we all done now? | 15:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | … tumble weed goes past | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| BobBall | that's a yes :D | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 25 15:53:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-25-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-25-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-25-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:53 |
| matel | cheers | 15:54 |
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| DuncanT- | Paging jgriffith.... | 16:11 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 25 16:13:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:13 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | Go Mike :-) | 16:14 |
| bswartz | hi! | 16:14 |
| thingee | hey all | 16:14 |
| Caitlin56 | hi | 16:14 |
| dosaboy | aloha | 16:14 |
| bpb | hi | 16:14 |
| thingee | agenda items for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:14 |
| xyang | hi | 16:14 |
| zhiyan | hi | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:14 |
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| thingee | we'll skip the what's broken in Havana part in hopes jgriffith shows up. I'm familiar with some, but not all. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: o/ | 16:15 |
| thingee | and circle back | 16:15 |
| thingee | ha | 16:15 |
| thingee | #topic What's broken in Havana | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Getting some coffee... took longer than expected | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | So there's the list :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | pretty sad actually IMO | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I'd like ot get a few of those fixed for RC | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | if not all of them | 16:16 |
| thingee | agreed. where's our bug fix day? | 16:16 |
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| dosaboy | o/ | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: if folks think that will help I'll propose Friday | 16:17 |
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| zhiyan | jgriffith: actually i think r/o-attach should be also on the list | 16:17 |
| thingee | I think it'll help, just so people can speak with their employer ahead of time of hopefully getting one day set aside to help? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: well... these are existing features that don't work, or break existing functionality | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I'd prioritize them way higher than R/O for now | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | I can't do Friday, but some of the HP cinder team will be able to | 16:18 |
| dosaboy | i have collated backup-related issues into bp/cinder-backup-improvements so that we can thrash out what fixes can get into H | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-backup-improvements | 16:18 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: r/o-attach not work without nova side change ,from end2end view...yes agree | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: just saw that, thanks! | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I looked at independent bup services for each backend and got it *kinda* working | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: but there seems to be some other issues with that | 16:19 |
| dosaboy | i was not aware of the multi backend issue but having discussed with DT looks like an H solution may be doable | 16:19 |
| dosaboy | ah cool | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: startup sequence and scaling | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I'm not sure it's an answer | 16:19 |
| thingee | jgriffith: is there a bug for multi-backend not working with backups? | 16:19 |
| dosaboy | well any ideas please add to the bp | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: there is... I'd have to find it | 16:20 |
| bswartz | thingee: I think so one sec | 16:20 |
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| dosaboy | thingee it's all in teh bp | 16:20 |
| eharney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1228223 | 16:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228223 in cinder "cinder-backup does not work with multi backend enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:20 |
| dosaboy | i ref'd all the bugs | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | The bigger one that bumped up my list is the CONF flags in brick | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | I'm working on some of that this morning, and cburgess was going to have a go at the shares portion | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | It would be helpful if we split that work up as it's not trivial/small | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | do folks understand the issue there? | 16:21 |
| bswartz | I thought I did but maybe some review would help | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: review never hurts | 16:22 |
| thingee | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 16:22 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: This might be a bit more complicated then we thought. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: I know :( | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: it means feeding everything back in to "cinder" and creating a caller/wrapper where needed | 16:22 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1230066 | 16:22 |
| cburgess | I found a lot of code in the brick initiator stuff last night that has no notion or method for passing options around. Fixing the volume drivers is the easy part really. | 16:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230066 in cinder "Should not be using CONF settings in brick" [High,Triaged] | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | initiator and iscsi are the worst | 16:23 |
| thingee | jgriffith: are the backup improvements bp going to be targeted for h-rc1? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I haven't targetted as I'm not sure it's going to be feasible | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and it fell off my plate so if nobody else can grab it I don't see how it can make H to be honest | 16:23 |
| bswartz | The nfs_mount_options flag is actually designed to work okay in a multi-backend scenario | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Oh? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: how...? | 16:24 |
| thingee | ok, lets target backup multi-backend bug at least for rc1 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that's good news, but I couldn't see how it would work if you wanted different optiosn for each backend? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | thingee: Ok by me | 16:24 |
| thingee | done | 16:25 |
| bswartz | well actually nfs_mount_point_base was designed to work in a multibackend scenario -- you're right that nfs_mount_options could potentially have issues | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: yeah, mount point seemed ok as it creates sub-dirs off the parent | 16:25 |
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| cburgess | bswartz: Looks like both are in remotefs now and referenced directly from CONF. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: options I don't think can work | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | well it can work as long as everyone uses the same options | 16:25 |
| bswartz | but clearly that's not going to be true in all cases | 16:25 |
| thingee | jgriffith: does this have the right target? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1202896 | 16:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202896 in nova "quota_usage data constantly out of sync" [High,Confirmed] | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: bswartz my other issue tough that I pointed out to hemna_ is I don't think we should require duplicate conf entries in projects that use brick | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | in other words they should define their conf options etc and we should enforce needed settings etc via __init__ | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | it's up to each project to figure out how they want to deal with things in terms of those options, or if they even want to provide options | 16:27 |
| dosaboy | thingee: the idea was to at least safegaurd if we cannot solve for cinder backup issues in H | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yes, I removed the H target | 16:27 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: you're proposing a significant refactor | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yep | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: it's either that or existing functionality is broken | 16:27 |
| bswartz | >_< | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: which is what I have been kinda pushing on all along | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: but I was outvoted :) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | unless folks see another option? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Personally the whole brick thing is a train wreck the way it is now | 16:28 |
| bswartz | in the case of NFS, the "brokenness" is very minor -- I bet people could survive | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I think cburgess and other might disagree | 16:29 |
| bswartz | I can't speak about the other connectors | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and broken is broken IMO | 16:29 |
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| hemna | morning | 16:29 |
| hemna | so...lots of love for brick I see. what's up? | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: sadly or happily I think NFS is the easiest to fix | 16:29 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: Its manageable for us, not ideal, but manageable. That being said, I do agree that we need some way of passing what amounts to highly variable and options like mount option through brick. | 16:29 |
| bswartz | yeah I'm happy to fix the NFS stuff if we can decide on a better approach | 16:30 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: Easy, except for the brick initiator stuff. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: read CONF from wrapper/driver and pass in to brick objects on __init__ | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: yes, I'm seperating that :) | 16:30 |
| hemna | ? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: initiator and iscsi are hosed! | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | hemna: scroll back... but the issue I raised regarding global CONF in brick | 16:31 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: Yeah ok if you are fine breaking initiator, or having a fall back to you didn't pass it in use CONF then the nfs driver is trivial to fix. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: if you look at LVM it shows what I'm taling bout | 16:31 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: +1 | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: so I would do a default on init that would be the same as what we're setting the default CONF to | 16:32 |
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| cburgess | jgriffith: Yeah something like that is easy. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: it's reliable and at least it keeps things *working* | 16:32 |
| cburgess | jgriffith: yes | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: room for improvement cleanup later | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | but really anybody cosuming brick should be using a wrapper of some sort IMO including Cinder | 16:33 |
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| cburgess | jgriffith: Also prevents the need for the doc bug for those of us with backend specific mount options and mount dirs wondering what happened. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | that's the whole point | 16:33 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: about about option defaults which themselves rely on other options? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | cburgess: Yes!! Added bonus | 16:33 |
| hemna | who else is using brick ? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | abstraction is our friend :) | 16:33 |
| bswartz | the default for 'nfs_mount_point_base' is '$state_path/mnt' | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | hemna: noone yet, and the way it is now noone ever will | 16:34 |
| thingee | ok, seems like we're in agreement on a first approach...can we take any additional discussion to #openstack-cinder after meeting? Got a few more agenda items and we're running out of time as usual. :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so why shuffle everything for nobody to use it | 16:34 |
| Caitlin56 | Nexenta still doesn't understand brick, so were immune. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:34 |
| hemna | *sigh* | 16:34 |
| cburgess | bswartz: We can probablhy actually just keep those nfs options in the remotefs driver. The backend aware code can then pass them in from the nfs and gluster volume drivers if need be. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | thingee: take it away | 16:34 |
| thingee | #topic Cinderclient release plans/status? | 16:34 |
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| thingee | eharney: you're up | 16:34 |
| eharney | just wanted to know what the general idea was around what has to happen for the next cinderclient release and when we're aiming for that | 16:35 |
| eharney | i think there is still some Havana code needing review there.. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I do them typically when we cut the milestone | 16:35 |
| zhiyan | eharney: +1 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | eharney: so I'd push to pypi when rc1 cuts | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | eharney: then again at release time | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | eharney: but I have no problem doing it sooner | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I'd just as soon get everyting in the queue compeleted first though | 16:36 |
| eharney | just keep in mind that we need to push a requirement update through openstack/reqs and to nova | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | eharney: queue == gerrit | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: not following ? | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Oh | 16:37 |
| eharney | we don't want to cut the next cinderclient release so late that Nova doesn't want us to update their reqs for the new features | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | yes | 16:37 |
| eharney | not sure how that usually shakes out | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: alright, I'll cut this week for sure | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: TBH with the changes we added in probably should have been done already :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: ie the Nova side | 16:38 |
| eharney | i would agree :) | 16:38 |
| thingee | #action contributors need to review cinderclient changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-cinderclient,n,z | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | alright, I'll get an interim push out | 16:38 |
| thingee | eharney: anything else? | 16:38 |
| eharney | nope | 16:38 |
| thingee | #topic OSLO imports | 16:38 |
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| thingee | DuncanT-: you're up | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | OSLO imports | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | -2 | 16:39 |
| eharney | yeah i dunno what's going on here | 16:39 |
| hemna | -2 | 16:39 |
| hemna | we shouldn't be pulling those in at this late stage | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | haha.. sorry DuncanT- speak your peace | 16:39 |
| DuncanT- | So we're getting these massive code drops from OSLO that are totally impossible to review | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I think we all agree here | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | If it's not an existing bug that affects cinder -2 | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT- | I've been hitting -2, but if anybody sees any specific fixes we need can they push them through in as small a unit as possible | 16:40 |
| DuncanT- | Cool, looks like there's no arguement | 16:40 |
| eharney | so i just posted a requirements update that kind of fits in this same category.. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: the only one I saw was processutils for the windows bug | 16:40 |
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| DuncanT- | Consider me happy | 16:40 |
| thingee | excellent | 16:40 |
| thingee | #topic bp/cinder-backup-improvements | 16:40 |
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| thingee | dosaboy: anything else you wanted to added that wasn't already discussed? | 16:40 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, I -2'd one this morning saying it should go in Icehouse | 16:40 |
| dosaboy | ok so we've kind of dicussed | 16:40 |
| dosaboy | couple more things, | 16:41 |
| dosaboy | i think we housl at least get https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1137908 | 16:41 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1137908 in cinder "volume glance metadata not included in backups." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:41 |
| dosaboy | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1228223 | 16:41 |
| dosaboy | fixed up for H | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228223 in cinder "cinder-backup does not work with multi backend enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:41 |
| dosaboy | i can take on the metadata one | 16:41 |
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| dosaboy | sine it sounds like people are already working the mb issues | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | I won't get back to the mb one guaranteed | 16:42 |
| thingee | dosaboy: who is working on the multi-backend issue? | 16:42 |
| dosaboy | i though jdg was ;) | 16:42 |
| dosaboy | ok well I can take that on then | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: ha! | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | touchet | 16:42 |
| thingee | :) | 16:42 |
| hemna | I'll look at the brick changes | 16:43 |
| dosaboy | well the metadata issue *should* be easy | 16:43 |
| hemna | and see if I can get something done today | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: which ones | 16:43 |
| dosaboy | right now we cannot restorew a bootable vol | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: divide and conquer | 16:43 |
| thingee | dosaboy: both of those are set for rc1 now | 16:43 |
| hemna | the CONF issues raised here, even though it's the first I've heard of it. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: update the bug with what yo're looking at, just take on section at a time | 16:43 |
| dosaboy | was thinking of just shoving metadat into backend store | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ie "initiator" | 16:43 |
| hemna | I'm a bit concerned about it at this late stage | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna: no shit! | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:44 |
| dosaboy | one related point, afaik the encrypiton support is aiming to put keys in db for backup | 16:44 |
| dosaboy | why not put into backend store like metadata? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but my option is fix it or revert all of your brick changes at this point | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: since it breaks existing fucntionality | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | hemna: dont think you want that :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | or anybody else | 16:44 |
| dosaboy | thingee: I am not gonna have time to do both those issues :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I thought we squashed that | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39573/ | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | yeah sorry I missed those cons | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | Still open jgriffith | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | convs | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | just came up in a chat i was having today | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, we've pushed back on similar things already and I think should do so again | 16:46 |
| thingee | #action hemna is going to look into dup confs in brick https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1229894 | 16:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229894 in cinder "brick has duplicate conf entries in iser and iscsi" [High,In progress] | 16:46 |
| thingee | anything else dosaboy? | 16:46 |
| dosaboy | guess not | 16:46 |
| Caitlin56 | off hand automatially backing up encryption keys without a description of how you are doing tht securely is kind of missing the point. | 16:46 |
| thingee | #topic bp/multi-attach | 16:47 |
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| thingee | zhiyan: you're up | 16:47 |
| zhiyan | yes, i'm preparing the basic model changing, and have three question here like to get you input. | 16:47 |
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| zhiyan | 1. i plan to separate volume attachment out to a dedicated table, called volume_attachment. | 16:48 |
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| zhiyan | http://paste.openstack.org/show/47508/ do you think it is ok? | 16:48 |
| zhiyan | 2. how about 'status' column of 'volumes' table? it have three status 'in-use', 'attaching, and 'detaching' hard to handle, since they are conflict with 'attach_status' under multi-attach situation, a volume maybe have two attachments, one in 'in-use' status and other one in 'attaching', then how should we give a general 'status' to the volume? if want to keep backwork-compatibility. | 16:49 |
| Caitlin56 | zhiyan: so each attachment is its own db record? | 16:49 |
| zhiyan | Caitlin56: yes | 16:49 |
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| zhiyan | 3. currently i save 'attached_mode' in volume's admin_metadata (r/o-attach change did), under mutli-attach a attaching mode should be related to a attachment but volume, and because metadata is a flat key-value pair, so i prepared to save it to volume metadata as a json string to the 'value' filed like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/47471/ | 16:49 |
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| thingee | zhiyan: I have some comments on this. I think we can move that to #openstack-cinder though | 16:50 |
| DuncanT- | For back compatability, 'attached' = one or more attachments, I think. 'detached' = no attachments | 16:50 |
| Caitlin56 | zhiyan: your 'in use' state is actually derived from the existence of attachment records. | 16:50 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:50 |
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| zhiyan | thingee: agree, i think so it probably need more discussion.. | 16:50 |
| thingee | I need to think about it a bit more..but that sounds good so far | 16:50 |
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| zhiyan | DuncanT-: how about 'attaching'? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | zhiyan: Doesn't matter that much. Maybe attaching for the first attaching state, once there is an attached then that supeceeds? | 16:51 |
| Caitlin56 | Multi-attach needs to end the overely stateful use ofthe volume status. Things like 'backing up' or attaching'. | 16:51 |
| thingee | zhiyan: what's the questin with #3? | 16:52 |
| thingee | question* | 16:52 |
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| zhiyan | thingee: humm, you know in r/o-attach change, i add the 'attached_mode' to the attached volume to represent its access mode for the connection. | 16:53 |
| zhiyan | thingee: i store it by admin_metadata. | 16:53 |
| thingee | yes.. | 16:53 |
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| zhiyan | thingee: it's a key-value flat struecture. but in mult-attach situation, an 'attached_mode' should not only belong to a volume, but a particular attaching-session | 16:54 |
| zhiyan | so there are three things need put into one k-v recored within admin_metadata table | 16:54 |
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| thingee | #action thingee and whoever else will discuss with zhiyan about storing volume attachment information | 16:54 |
| zhiyan | those are 'attached_mode', 'attachment_id' (value) , and the volume (key) | 16:54 |
| zhiyan | thingee: cool. | 16:55 |
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| thingee | #topic PTL nominations | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | 5 minute warning | 16:55 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: you're up | 16:55 |
| zhiyan | thingee: this is a basic model changing question for mutl-attach | 16:55 |
| Caitlin56 | zhiyan: where;s the other half of the key? | 16:55 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: you got five mins :) | 16:55 |
| Caitlin56 | hiyan: where's the other half of the key? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | So I wanted to make sure that everybody knew they have until tomorrow to submit their nomination if they're interested in being Cinder PTL | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | and if anybody had any questions about the job, process etc | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | anyone have anything on that? | 16:57 |
| dosaboy | dress code? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | jeans and t'shirts | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:57 |
| bswartz | I thought we agreed avishay would be the new PTL | 16:57 |
| thingee | dosaboy: hawaiian shirts | 16:57 |
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| dosaboy | :) | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Oh? | 16:57 |
| bswartz | (just poking him if he's here) | 16:57 |
| thingee | avishay 2013 folks | 16:57 |
| bswartz | I know he hates that | 16:57 |
| thingee | #action someone might run against jgriffith | 16:58 |
| * jgriffith feels bad everybody keeps recommendign somebody else be PTL | 16:58 | |
| jgriffith | but oh well | 16:58 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: we all love you | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: lies | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:58 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think the fact that you have to ask for someone to run against you is a good sign ;) | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I'll take that | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I just wanted to make it clear to everyone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | competition for the position is healthy | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | if you're interested | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | I will say it's not *easy* though | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | that's about all I had | 16:59 |
| * hemna watches other people raise their hands | 16:59 | |
| bswartz | I thought being a PTL was a punishment -- I didn't realize people actually ran for the job | 17:00 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 25 17:00:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-25-16.13.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-25-16.13.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-25-16.13.log.html | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks folks | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 25 17:00:53 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | who's about? | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | tjones1, hey! | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | hey back | 17:01 |
| AndroUser2 | I am around | 17:01 |
| AndroUser2 | That i am gary | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | heh | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | AndroUser2 == garyk? | 17:02 |
| AndroUser2 | Will be home in 10 minutes | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | does the /nick command work? | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | lol | 17:02 |
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| AndroUser2 | Yes | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | Oh, you're incognito. | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | Anybody else about? | 17:03 |
| garyk | That worked ! Thanks | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | garky, groovy | 17:03 |
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| garyk | I am in a car on the way home - not sure hiw the conbection will behace | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | tisk tisk - no txt n drive | 17:04 |
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| garyk | It is not even my phone :) | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | wow | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | dedicated. | 17:05 |
| vuil | hi all | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | vuil, hey | 17:05 |
| garyk | I am considering the openstack powered by vmware tatoo | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | ROTFL | 17:05 |
| twoputt | lol | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | #action get approval for official "OpenStack powered by VMware" tattoos for the team. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #undo | 17:06 |
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| garyk | :) | 17:06 |
| * hartsocks joking | 17:06 | |
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| garyk | Last week has been great for reviews | 17:07 |
| garyk | Kudos to russellb and the team | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | Yes in deed. | 17:07 |
| vuil | ditt | 17:08 |
| vuil | ditto | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | So we're in feature freeze. I'm going leave any blueprint discussion to the open discussion bit at the end. | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | Here's the bug report I ran this morning: | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | http://paste.openstack.org/raw/47507/ | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | We've got two reviews "ready for core" | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | (that means we're all in agreement) | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | Everything else has cleared or merged already! | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | The rest are all reviews we have to still look at ourselves or need to revise. | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | i rebased https://review.openstack.org/47503 but am running into test issues. I need tests for https://review.openstack.org/46400 (having a lot of trouble figuring out how to do it - help appreciated) | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | #help for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47503/ | 17:10 |
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| garyk | I can look a bit later | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | cool. | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | actually it was https://review.openstack.org/46400 that i could use help with. I need to look into why the tests that i didn't touch are failing for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47503/ | 17:11 |
| garyk | We need to get reviews for the opaque networks | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:12 |
| garyk | Tjones i will look in abiut 20 min whrn i can have a real keyboard | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | #undo | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | #help for https://review.openstack.org/46400 | 17:12 |
| vuil | looking at the test failures now | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | okay, we can triage these on #openstack-vmware later. | 17:13 |
| vuil | sure | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1217541 | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1217541 in nova "vmwareapi drivers - most summary fields need not be set" [High,In progress] | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | and | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1226211 | 17:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226211 in nova "VMware: some API's return only data on the first cluster and not the correct cluster" [High,In progress] | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | as our two open bugs marked "critical" in our VMwareAPI-Team sub-project | 17:14 |
| garyk | they are both in review - latter was approved - had to rebase | 17:15 |
| garyk | Jenkins us a nightmare today - took about 8 hours for tge gating to pass | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | yeah, I've noticed it's lagging. There was some chatter on the other channels about it being in trouble. | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | let me run down the bugs we've tagged as "should have" | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1226052 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226052 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMware: VM creation ignores the size of the flavor root disk" [High,In progress] | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | that looks like gary again! | 17:18 |
| garyk | In review after rebase | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | did it ever get some +2 attention? | 17:19 |
| garyk | Dan smith had comments tgat i addressed | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | okay good. | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | only 2 more bugs on my list that are "should have" | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1207064 | 17:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1207064 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMWare : Disabling linked clone does not cache images on the datastore" [High,In progress] | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | tjones1, is that the one you just mentioned? | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | that is the one i rebased and am having failed tests (on places i did not change) | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | okay | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | good. | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | it was a simple rebase - i think i have an env issue. i should get it done soon | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | last one... | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1199954 | 17:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1199954 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VCDriver: Failed to resize instance" [Medium,In progress] | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | that's gary's too… looks like some feedback from Dan Smith. | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | So, anybody have an opinion on other bugs in progress? | 17:22 |
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| garyk | hi, i am back. | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | hey. | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | I was just about to solicit opinions on priority order for other bugs. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | Is there something important I've missed? | 17:23 |
| garyk | sorry, just had to move from car to office | 17:23 |
| vuil | bug 1229994: I am working on a fix and will send it out for review today | 17:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229994 in nova "VMwareVCDriver: host in maintenance mode may cause snapshot failure" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229994 | 17:23 |
| vuil | it can use a confirmation by someone | 17:24 |
| garyk | vuil: i'll take a look at it | 17:24 |
| vuil | thx | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | vuil, wasn't tagged "vmware" BTW | 17:25 |
| vuil | oops. | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | np | 17:26 |
| vuil | I wil do… of course you did. | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | I've been working this bug: | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227825 | 17:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227825 in nova "datastore selection bug - fills first disk only" [High,In progress] | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | This was reported via email by someone in the field. My goal was to create as targeted a fix as possible. | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | Another bug … | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1214850 | 17:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1214850 in nova "vmware driver selection of vm_folder_ref does not account for datastore" [High,In progress] | 17:28 |
| garyk | hartsocks: looks like it close | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | this one was something I was going to leave for Icehouse-1 but I think it might be more important. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | garyk, yeah, it was *supposed* to be simple. | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | :-p | 17:30 |
| vuil | severity wise 1227825 probably higher than this 1214850. | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | I agree. | 17:31 |
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| hartsocks | I don't have that level of granularity without pulling in the other project. | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | I feel like me declaring this a "Critical" or "must have" bug is a bit of conflict of interest since I'm working on it myself :-p | 17:32 |
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| hartsocks | So, should I mark this "Critical" or "High" on the VMwareAPI-subteam project? | 17:33 |
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| vuil | No sure, high maybe? I was going to work on this one today as well. Want me to do that? | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | If it wasn't me working on it I suppose I wouldn't hesitate to call it "Critical" so I will. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | vuil, I'm just trying to not bias the priority cue because I'm partial to my own work. | 17:35 |
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| tjones1 | lol | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | I probably over think these things. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | vuil, I marked the bug you mentioned as "High" because you can work around the issue but it is a likely failure any enterprise would see without a fix. (assuming Gary confirms it) | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | I'm going to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1214850 for rc1 as soon as we can get a patch up for it. I'll try and push my patch for it today if Vuil doesn't mind. | 17:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1214850 in nova "vmware driver selection of vm_folder_ref does not account for datastore" [High,In progress] | 17:39 |
| vuil | Sounds reasonable. | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | okay. I feel reasonably democratic now. :-) | 17:40 |
| vuil | by all means go ahead! | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | Any other bugs we missed, or might be higher priority than we have marked? | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | Okay, we have 3 bugs still in triage... | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #help for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 | 17:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: errors spawning large amounts of VMs" [Undecided,New] | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | Looks like that one is from Ryan in our test team. | 17:42 |
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| hartsocks | Can someone else confirm that one? | 17:43 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: i have not seen that problem | 17:44 |
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| garyk | i ran into issues with the execption handling (trying to fix the bug | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | If I leave that an action item for myself I can get back to it until late Friday or early Monday if everyone else is busy. | 17:45 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47743/ - basically when there is an exception on nova compute the exception will be moved to n-api | 17:45 |
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| garyk | this results in another exception when the Vim object is accessed - a deepcopy call is invoked | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | huh. | 17:45 |
| garyk | please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1228847 | 17:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228847 in nova "VMware: VimException: Exception in __deepcopy__ Method not found" [High,In progress] | 17:46 |
| garyk | you can see the stack trace | 17:46 |
| garyk | basically it is easily reproduced - when nova network has no more ips and a new VM is deployed | 17:47 |
| garyk | in ryans case it was an exception from the VC that threw the same error | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | so… duplicate? | 17:47 |
| garyk | i am not 100% sure | 17:47 |
| garyk | in his case we need to get the trace from nova network. | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | #action follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 is it a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1228847 | 17:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: errors spawning large amounts of VMs" [Undecided,New] | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | okay, that's a todo for one of us. | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | Last two bugs that need triage: | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1209090 | 17:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1209090 in nova "create VM instances failed by vmwareapi.VCDriver" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | This looks like a vanilla SOAP error we already took care of. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | last one... | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1217716 | 17:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1217716 in nova "VMware: unable to boot an instance from .vmdk on ESX 5.1 host" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | that one troubles me more because I don't understand it. | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | I *think* it's a non issue. | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | no need to get in discussion on that one. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | any old thing to discuss while we're all paying attention at the same time :-) | 17:54 |
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| tjones1 | oh - someone was having trouble with snapshots | 17:55 |
| tjones1 | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/5274/snapshot-failure-with-vmwarevcdriver/?sort=latest | 17:55 |
| tjones1 | i told them to grab vui's latest but they are still having different issues now. | 17:55 |
| tjones1 | vui did you take a look? | 17:55 |
| vuil | seems like the same thing cross posted to openstack-dev and the bug thread. I followed up in the bug thread. I am guessing probably a environment related error. | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | Well… for what it's worth, when I saw this... I manually tested snapshot based on the master branch recently, it worked in my instance, so I felt this was probably some edge case. | 17:57 |
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| tjones1 | yeah me too | 17:58 |
| tjones1 | just thought the logs may have a hint | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | We currently don't get too much admin or "help desk" style traffic yet. I'm sure this will change. | 17:59 |
| vuil | while testing myself I was reminded of a different issue with the maintanence mode host which is why I filed 1229994. But does not look like he hit that. | 17:59 |
| vuil | Logs triple posted, not entirely useful. | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | We probably need to push changes that will make things easier to diagnose. | 18:00 |
| vuil | Pretty much if we encounter and error uploaded to glance or in our cleanup code, glance rolls back and delete trace of that snapshot | 18:00 |
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| hartsocks | ugh. yes. That leaves us with no forensic evidence to make a diagnosis from. | 18:01 |
| vuil | I asked for nova compute log which is where the evidence will be. But like I said, probably env issues. | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | We should probably have a bug or blueprint or bug-set that covers diagnostics. | 18:01 |
| tjones1 | ja | 18:02 |
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| hartsocks | Okay, we're out of time. | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | Thanks for attending. | 18:02 |
| tjones1 | adois | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| tjones1 | adios | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 25 18:02:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-25-17.00.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-25-17.00.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-25-17.00.log.html | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | We can hop over to #openstack-vmware if folks need to keep talking. | 18:03 |
| hartsocks | see you next week. | 18:03 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 25 20:00:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| bgorski | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | Hi all, who's around? | 20:00 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | Hi | 20:00 |
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| randallburt | hithere | 20:00 |
| spzala | Hi | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hi | 20:00 |
| kebray | hello | 20:00 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ but have to run in a few minutes to the dentist | 20:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdake | pretty sure asalkeld is on pto | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | made that appointment before my first commit to Heat I think. ;) | 20:01 |
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| shardy | Ok, lets get started | 20:01 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | I'm here too | 20:02 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-18-20.00.html | 20:02 |
| shardy | #info randallburt to repost review as WIP not draft | 20:02 |
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| randallburt | done | 20:02 |
| shardy | So that got done, thanks randallburt | 20:02 |
| randallburt | np | 20:02 |
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| randallburt | more input would be appreciated tho ;) | 20:03 |
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| shardy | anything else to raise from last week anyone? | 20:03 |
| shardy | randallburt: Yeah, I think we'll have to work out the testr stuff in Icehouse | 20:03 |
| randallburt | no issues for me there. | 20:03 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46410/ | 20:03 |
| shardy | if anyone has any input ;) | 20:04 |
| shardy | #topic RC1 bug status | 20:04 |
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| shardy | Soo | 20:04 |
| shardy | We're planning RC1 at the end of this week ideally | 20:04 |
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| shardy | and we still have a pretty big backlog of bugs and reviews: | 20:04 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:04 |
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| shardy | Unless we discover any more critical issues, that's the list, and when we get them all fix committed we'll branch RC1 | 20:05 |
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| shardy | at which point master is open for Icehouse :) | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I'm assigning bug 1230191 to myself | 20:05 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230191 in heat "Exceeding stack limits results in 500 errors" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230191 | 20:05 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, thanks! | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | Do all those In Progress bugs have reviews in flight? | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | shardy: will work on the patch post-dentist :) | 20:05 |
| shardy | One thing to mention is the gate has been *really* flaky the last couple of days, so can we please nurse stuff through with reverify etc | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | We need a status between "I'm looking at it" and "fix proposed" | 20:06 |
| radix | oh, dang. sorry I missed the beginning of teh meeting. | 20:06 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: yeah, at this point pls mark in progress if you're actively working on it | 20:07 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to raise re RC1? | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | here is a burndown chart http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 20:07 |
| shardy | Other than the bugfixing and reviews, everyone please test all-the-things :) | 20:07 |
| shardy | #link http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc | 20:08 |
| shardy | thanks stevebaker | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | the Medium's may need to be dropped if we can't get patches landed | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:08 |
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| SpamapS | IMO that is a _really_ big RC | 20:08 |
| shardy | SpamapS: agree, but many of those have patches up, so ideally we'll just land them | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | I'll try to make sure and run through some extra review cycles too | 20:09 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, it's much bigger than ideal, as stuff ended up landing late and we've been behind testing as a result | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | so is there an rc2 once rc1 is out? | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | if rc1 has bugs | 20:09 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Only if we find critical bugs ;) | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | but generally no | 20:09 |
| shardy | So the idea is RC1 is the release, unless it's not ;) | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | between rc1 and final release if critical bugs are found, an rc2 could be created from the rc1 branch | 20:10 |
| shardy | Post RC1 any changes will be proposed via backports to milestone-proposed, I think | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | ok, so its backports from rc1 on | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | scenario unlikley with our high level of test cases | 20:10 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yup | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | sdake_ I admire your optimism ;) | 20:10 |
| shardy | sdake_: not that unlikely based on recent experience unfortunately | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | optimist is my middle name :) | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | BTW if you are not fixing a bug right now, a good thing to do is to write tempest tests. Especially tests verifying error conditions... as we think we have botched that up a bit this cycle. | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | SOD | 20:11 |
| shardy | Anyway, great work everyone we're nearly there, thanks for all being responsive to bugs and reviews etc :) | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: +1! | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | please try out tempest | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | testr run orchestration | 20:12 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: yeah, the error paths (particularly between engine->API's have been poorly tested for a long time | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | the autoscaling will probably fail, but that is most likely the test | 20:12 |
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| shardy | Ok any more concerns or questions re the Havana release before we move on? | 20:13 |
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| shardy | #topic Open discussion | 20:14 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: o/ | 20:14 |
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| shardy | So one thing to mention, if you've not been following the ML is I'm stepping down as PTL | 20:14 |
| mspreitz | Anyone want to follow up on the discussion I have been having in the ML? | 20:14 |
| radix | wow that was quick | 20:15 |
| shardy | stevebaker: has nominated himself as replacement, I've not yet seen any other candidates | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | I think SpamapS might be? | 20:15 |
| shardy | radix: The plan is to rotate the responsibility rather than one person being stuck with all the PTL overhead tasks ;) | 20:15 |
| zaneb | shardy: SpamapS has also nominated himself | 20:15 |
| radix | shardy: er, I meant the meeting, not the PTL position :) | 20:15 |
| shardy | Ah I missed that, been battling trusts all day | 20:15 |
| zaneb | still? ugh | 20:16 |
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| shardy | zaneb: yeah, unfortunately | 20:16 |
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| shardy | Ok, anyone else have anything to raise? | 20:17 |
| mspreitz | The ML thread entitled "Bringing things together for Icehouse" | 20:17 |
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| radix | I don't have any input on that right now | 20:17 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: Did you generate the summary wiki page we discussed last week? | 20:18 |
| shardy | I saw some google docs drafts | 20:18 |
| mspreitz | Yeah, that and the ML traffic is all I have managed to get done so far. | 20:18 |
| zaneb | I might reply on the ML at some point, not aware of anything that needs discussing here | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | ml seems like better forum for our essays on the topic | 20:18 |
| mspreitz | Also made a design summit proposal in the nova track, but I think it's relavant to heat too. | 20:18 |
| zaneb | I'm still not clear at all on why we are involved | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | zaneb because we know all the data | 20:19 |
| shardy | mspreitz: I think continuing the discussion on the ML is fine for now, and we can discuss at summit, but FWIW, I'd like some concise, *specific* ideas about what you thing needs adding to heat | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | no other component has a systemic view | 20:19 |
| shardy | rather than lots of very broad theories and ideas | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | templates might need some holistic metadata, to be transformed into a normal heat template by the time it reaches heat | 20:20 |
| mspreitz | OK, I will focus on writing more specifics. | 20:21 |
| shardy | mspreitz: Ok, thanks, may help focus the discussion a little :) | 20:22 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything else to discuss? | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | I'll leave software-config talk until after rc1 is out | 20:22 |
| shardy | stevebaker: k, sounds good, we can refocus on features/summit after rc1 is done | 20:23 |
| mspreitz | I have another topic | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | maybe now would be a good time to write some docs ;) | 20:23 |
| mspreitz | Can anyone give a TL;DR on the recent patches removing IDs? | 20:23 |
| shardy | mspreitz: link? | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | I haven't looked at them | 20:24 |
| shardy | sdake_: we've been writing a lot of docs recently, but yeah more==good | 20:24 |
| mspreitz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48239/ and many like that | 20:24 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: The id attribute is redundant, because it's the same value returned via Ref | 20:25 |
| shardy | and it was causing some issues with template validation | 20:25 |
| shardy | so we decided, before the release is final, it's best to remove the redundant attributes | 20:25 |
| mspreitz | (has to read more before following up further) | 20:26 |
| shardy | mspreitz: it is described in the linked bug | 20:26 |
| mspreitz | yes, thanks on that for now | 20:26 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1230228 | 20:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230228 in heat "Remove neutron resources id attributes" [High,In progress] | 20:27 |
| shardy | sdake_: Did you have specific docs concerns to raise? | 20:27 |
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| sdake_ | we have spoken in the past about taking 3-4 weeks and cranking out a set of docs | 20:28 |
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| sdake_ | we have some technical design docs for devs and docs for the api | 20:28 |
| sdake_ | but beyond that, our docs aren't up to speed | 20:28 |
| * randallburt re-re-resurects his plug-in guide and frowns at himself. | 20:29 | |
| sdake_ | each project has a user guide - we dont have that | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | What are the general thoughts for a template writer's guide that describes the best way of doing everything now? It would be yaml cfn, with a mixture of aws and native resources. | 20:29 |
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| shardy | sdake_: It seems to have turned into a more gradual process, but I think the template guide is looking good now | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | we also dont have a template document that describes the properties and attributes of resources | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | link to template guide? | 20:30 |
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| randallburt | my vote is a template guide focused on HOT/YAML/native resources | 20:30 |
| shardy | sdake_: Yes we do, that's what we've been doing! | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | Alternatively we write a HOT template writers guide, which will only be useful when icehouse is out | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | i was traveling must hav emissed that | 20:30 |
| randallburt | sdake_: I thought that doc was generated now | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | anyone have a link? | 20:30 |
| sdake_ | so I can take a look pls | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | we have this, which is all generated from source. Its not a guide, its a reference http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | cool when did that show up | 20:31 |
| sdake_ | nice work :) | 20:31 |
| randallburt | I'm not sure there's a lot of value in re-documenting CFN is there? | 20:31 |
| shardy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | Which has this section, that looks like a good start for the HOT version of what I'm thinking of http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_guide.html | 20:32 |
| radix | randallburt: I think there's a little bit of value. Not everyone knows about CFN, and there is still functionality that is only exposed as CFN-style resources | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebaker: tspatzier also wrote a HOT guide | 20:32 |
| radix | randallburt: so if you're a newcomer to orchestration and you want to use Heat it's nice to have a single guide. | 20:32 |
| randallburt | so insert link to CFN documentation? ;) | 20:32 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I am looking for comprehensive and precise documentation of HOT, not just enough to understand the hello world example. | 20:33 |
| radix | randallburt: well, I think the autogenerated-style stuff is good enough for most things. I wouldn't put *too* much effort into writing lots of prose for CFN resources | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | so maybe as HOT and native features land in this cycle, we should insist that they come with additions to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/index.html | 20:33 |
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| tspatzier | shardy, the blog about writing HOT provider templates - would something like this be good input? | 20:33 |
| shardy | #link https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/doc/source/template_guide/hot_guide.rst | 20:33 |
| radix | stevebaker: +1 | 20:33 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: HOT is a work in progress, there's not much more to it than the hello world example yet | 20:34 |
| radix | stevebaker: I really like the idea of requiring doc updates with code updates. | 20:34 |
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| shardy | Where does that get generated to, anyone have a link? | 20:34 |
| radix | shardy: stevebaker linked http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_guide.html | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | radix, all the resources can already be used in HOT. So we could start promoting HOT already | 20:34 |
| shardy | tspatzier: Yes, I'm writing a blog post which will cover HOT and Providers/Environments 101 | 20:34 |
| radix | tspatzier: yes, I understand. | 20:34 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: the code disagrees; it handles lots of stuff | 20:34 |
| shardy | tspatzier: should be next week, after we get rc1 done :) | 20:35 |
| shardy | radix: thanks, I was getting the links for generated and written docs confused :) | 20:35 |
| radix | hehe | 20:35 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: it handles lots of stuff the same way as we have always handled it | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | So maybe we should promote links to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/index.html since it is better than nothing | 20:35 |
| tspatzier | shardy, let's see if we can bring something into the template guide. Maybe drive best practices and so on | 20:35 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: sadly, it is only *mostly* like CFN handles it | 20:36 |
| shardy | tspatzier: My plan is testing->blog->docs :) | 20:36 |
| spzala | radix: Me too. I think doc should be get created in the same way, as as we create test with a patch, as needed | 20:36 |
| tspatzier | btw, is there a way to see the actual documenation and not only the sources in github? | 20:36 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: where you see incompatibilities, please do raise bugs | 20:36 |
| tspatzier | I tried building it locally but was not successful | 20:36 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: I think the differences are deliberate, not bugs. | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: there is a docs job on check and gate, so you can always see what is generated | 20:37 |
| zaneb | for instance? | 20:37 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: Yes, use rst for everything, not xml ;) | 20:37 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, do you have link? | 20:37 |
| mspreitz | I last studied the code last week, before the constraint handling changed. But at that time: constraint descriptions had no precise equivalent in CFN, and HOT allows multiple constraints of a given type for a given parameter whereas CFN does not | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: click on gate-heat-docs Jenkins job for any gerrit review | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | shardy, yeah, the rst is good. But it does not resolve e.g. references to other files | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, thanks. got it :-) | 20:38 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: right, understood. but those are the kinds of things that I thought appear in the Hello world example | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | Finally I managed to watch an americas cup race, and we lost the cup | 20:39 |
| zaneb | :( | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | mumble mumble Oracle mumble | 20:39 |
| sdake_ | if you have 40 billion you too can win the americas cup | 20:39 |
| shardy | mspreitz: HOT is a rapidly evolving area, somewhere we can innovate, we're not restricting outselves to 1-1 mappings with CFN templates, otherwise what's the point in the new format? | 20:40 |
| shardy | mspreitz: as you have noticed, things are still very much under development and not stablized yet ;) | 20:40 |
| shardy | mspreitz: what we release for Havana should be basically useable tho, as a replacement for CFN templates | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | I think it is too early to recommend HOT for anything yet, but I'd like to think that will change this cycle | 20:41 |
| sdake_ | once we recommend it - will be difficult to change | 20:41 |
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| mspreitz | My problem is that I set out to use HOT to get work done. I needed to really understand it. Even simple things like "and other XXX as in CFN are allowed here", if it is missing, is a problem for a user | 20:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I think we promote it, for Havana, as a preview of a new template format | 20:41 |
| randallburt | its been working fine for me so far | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, I actually submitted a design session proposal to discuss a transition path CFN to HOT as _the_ primary format | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | yeah, an early access feature, or somesuch | 20:42 |
| shardy | mspreitz: If you need stablility, right now, using CFN template syntax (or the yaml rendered variant thereof) is a better plan | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: cool | 20:42 |
| zaneb | shardy: yep, that comment was due to a misunderstanding on my part | 20:43 |
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| mspreitz | Yeah, now that you mention it, stability is also good for users. But the point I was trying to make is about documentation. | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | I've been wondering if python-heatclient should grow a bunch of template manipulation tools cfn->hot, aws->native | 20:43 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: Yep, I think that's a good plan to aim for, it will just take a while :) | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | plus offline template validation etc | 20:43 |
| randallburt | +1 for that last one stevebaker | 20:43 |
| randallburt | though not sure how it would work without access to the resource plugins | 20:44 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, that translation feature is an intersting thing to discuss. Key for some cleanup in the core engine | 20:44 |
| shardy | stevebaker: we discussed such an idea before, IMO the client is probably not the right place for it | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: I guess it would be more of a sanity validation for syntax and structure | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | different repo makes sense to me | 20:45 |
| shardy | stevebaker: but we should discuss where, when and how that could happen at summit :) | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | imo python-heatclient should just be the heat client lib | 20:45 |
| randallburt | could be 'minimal' access to the server via resource_types and a few extensions | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | shardy: another option is a heat-template-tools repo | 20:45 |
| sdake_ | stevebaker+1 there | 20:45 |
| mspreitz | Deeper validation is good | 20:45 |
| shardy | stevebaker: well we already have heat-templates/tools :) | 20:45 |
| mspreitz | I mean resource-specific validation | 20:45 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: but make it a real python client, cli and maybe python lib | 20:46 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, at some point maybe, but first we've got to transistion the engine to be completely decoupled from CFN, to that top-level translation to some native model format is possible | 20:47 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: IMO we've had a pretty big challenge handling HOT and CFN in the engine, I'm not sure pushing that up to the client really makes things easier, unless the aim is to remain just a cosmetic syntax translation | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | I think once we've finished refactoring the engine, we won't _want_ to move it out of there | 20:49 |
| shardy | zaneb: I suspect the same | 20:49 |
| zaneb | it should end up being pretty tidy | 20:49 |
| shardy | zaneb: handle templates via a plugin interface like resources | 20:49 |
| mspreitz | BTW, is all the stuff that the current code does with snake_to_camel accurately documented in the HOT spec? | 20:49 |
| zaneb | and having two formats will help keep it that way | 20:49 |
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| stevebaker | I'm just thinking cosmetic translation, which will require manual finangling from the user to make a working template | 20:50 |
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| tspatzier | mspreitz, the hot spec does document exactly what you can use it HOT. there is not need to document HOT <--> CFN transformation IMO | 20:50 |
| zaneb | we may even want to add more formats, and having the abstractions in there will help with that | 20:51 |
| shardy | stevebaker: we could have some script to facliltate that, but it's not a majore requirement IMO | 20:51 |
| tspatzier | mspreitz, the current snake_to_camel and vice versa is just because both formats are so close today. I don't see this as a general way for going forward. | 20:51 |
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| shardy | having the template supported properly in our internal logical model is much higher priority | 20:52 |
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| mspreitz | If you want me to stop using HOT today, say so. Otherwise, I need to know all the details. | 20:52 |
| shardy | IMHO :) | 20:52 |
| * randallburt doesn't want you to stop using HOT. | 20:53 | |
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| shardy | mspreitz: You can do whatever you want, that is the beauty of open source :) | 20:53 |
| tspatzier | randallburt, +1 :-) | 20:53 |
| tspatzier | We need to smoke test it | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz: if it works for you, go for it. But you may need to change your templates as it evolves | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | I've been faced with the decision about supporting multiple input formats multiple times. Each time, the simplest and cleanest solution is to support one input format, offer a sensible extensibility scheme for that format, and expect other formats to convert to the primary format, passing special stuff through as extensions. | 20:53 |
| shardy | mspreitz: HOT is basically functional, and we welcome participation in testing, documenting, and improving it | 20:53 |
| randallburt | I use HOT quite a bit and its working fine and matches the existing docs, so we basically need to start adding HOT stuff to the gates, yes? | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | one final thing, can people do reviews please? | 20:55 |
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| adrian_otto | at our last design summit we reached a consensus that HOT could be that primary format, and that we had a desire to offer a compatibility story for CFN | 20:55 |
| spzala | stevebaker: yes :) | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | adrian_otto: eventually tempest tests should be all hot via python-heatclient, and cfn compatible tests via boto | 20:56 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: We have existing users who rely on CFN template support, so it's more than a desire, it's a commitment | 20:56 |
| tspatzier | adrian_otto, right. And I think we should pick that topic up again at the next summit and see how we get there. | 20:56 |
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| adrian_otto | tspatzier: agreed, thanks. | 20:56 |
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| radix | hmm | 20:57 |
| zaneb | I vote for getting there one step at a time :) | 20:57 |
| radix | we don't have a place in resource code to document the value of Ref for a resource | 20:57 |
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| shardy | adrian_otto: but HOT is certainly the primary development focus atm, and we're moving in the direction of it becoming the primary format, probably :) | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | radix: If it doesn't already, it would be easy to take that from the FnGetRefId docstring | 20:58 |
| zaneb | radix: yeah, we need that. stevebaker: good idea | 20:58 |
| radix | hmm. | 20:58 |
| randallburt | radix: isn't that kinda covered here: #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/functions.html#ref | 20:58 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1, incremental progress | 20:58 |
| radix | I don't generally like that pattern because it conflates developer documentation with user documentation. | 20:58 |
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| radix | randallburt: no, because the value of Ref is different for every resource | 20:59 |
| randallburt | maybe that just needs to be expanded a bit | 20:59 |
| shardy | Ok, out of time, thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| randallburt | oh, I see. | 20:59 |
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| radix | ok! seeya :) | 20:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 25 20:59:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-25-20.00.html | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-25-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-25-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| tri2sing | Is there anything on the agenda for Ceilometer today? | 21:19 |
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| terriyu | tr3buche1: I have no idea, jd__ doesn't seem to be around | 21:22 |
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| eglynn | terriyu, tri2sing: the ceilometer meeting was concelled ... http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/015613.html | 21:29 |
| tri2sing | Thanks eglynn | 21:30 |
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