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| roaet | Hello! | 13:58 |
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| rkukura | hi! | 13:59 |
| dandrushko | hi! | 13:59 |
| mestery | hey! | 13:59 |
| apech | hi | 13:59 |
| roaet | c-c-combo breaker! | 13:59 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 14:00:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:00 |
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| mestery | I don't have much on the agenda for today, so once we get through it, if others have items we can discuss those at that time. | 14:00 |
| mestery | #topic devstack | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:01 | |
| mestery | The only bug for ML2 with devstack is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1220745 | 14:01 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1220745 in devstack "Change devstack to use the ML2 plugin instead of the OVS plugin by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:01 |
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| mestery | I have a patch for this, I just need to find time to do a bit more testing and push it out for review. | 14:01 |
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| mestery | Any other devstack issues people are seeing? | 14:02 |
| rkukura | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45565/ | 14:02 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks, for some reason I thought that one had already gone up. :) | 14:02 |
| rkukura | is the above still needed? | 14:02 |
| Sukhdev | yes, I see one :-) | 14:02 |
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| mestery | I think it is, right Sukhdev? | 14:04 |
| Sukhdev | I tested twice with and without the patch and I do not see the problem either way | 14:04 |
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| rkukura | in new clean VMs, or is the dependency already installed? | 14:05 |
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| Sukhdev | in a new clean VM without dependency as well in a new clean VM with dependency - I did not see the issue | 14:06 |
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| mestery | So we don't need this patch anymore? rkukura, have you verified this as well by any chance? | 14:07 |
| Sukhdev | But, since somebody saw the issue... it may have to do with some corner case issue | 14:07 |
| rkukura | I think this would show up in testing mestery's patch to switch the default if it is needed | 14:07 |
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| rkukura | mestery: I have not tried with clean VM recently | 14:07 |
| Sukhdev | Yes, with mestery's patch I do see the problem | 14:08 |
| mestery | Myself either. | 14:08 |
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| Sukhdev | this has to do with the config | 14:08 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Can you explain further? | 14:08 |
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| Sukhdev | If I install mestery's patch and enable Arista patch and do not have a config file to go along with, everything goes in the wrong way | 14:09 |
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| Sukhdev | I mean specify arista in localrc | 14:09 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Did you set Q_PLUGIN_EXTRA_CONF_PATH and Q_PLUGIN_EXTRA_CONF_FILES to point it at the arista .ini file as well? | 14:10 |
| mestery | And what do you mean it goes wrong, it doesn't work at all? | 14:10 |
| rkukura | so only the arista driver requires jsonrpclib, right? | 14:10 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: no | 14:10 |
| rcurran | cisco md does not use jsan | 14:10 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 14:10 |
| rcurran | or json | 14:11 |
| Sukhdev | only Arista uses it now | 14:11 |
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| Sukhdev | I am assuming others will use in future | 14:11 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: I can go back and retest it with the config file options and report back via email | 14:12 |
| mestery | Yes, without those, Arista won't have it's config | 14:12 |
| rkukura | Switching devstack to use ml2 by default will not require this patch, so we can deal with these separately. | 14:12 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:13 |
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| mestery | Anything else on devstack? | 14:14 |
| rkukura | I think we are concluding that we can switch the devstack default without waiting for the other devstack patches, right? | 14:15 |
| Sukhdev | So, in terms ofhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/45565/ | 14:15 |
| Sukhdev | what is the conclusion? | 14:15 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, I agree. I'll proceed with that approach then. | 14:16 |
| rkukura | Lets resolve ofhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/45565/ in the review, and determine with it is sufficient, or we somehow need to make devstack load driver-specific dependencies | 14:16 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:17 |
| Sukhdev | sounds good | 14:17 |
| mestery | Anything else devstack related? | 14:17 |
| rkukura | when can we expect mestery's patch? | 14:17 |
| mestery | rkukura: I'll do my best to finish testing and send it out tomorrow. | 14:17 |
| mestery | Today I'm swamped at LinuxCon, tomorrow is much better. | 14:18 |
| * rkukura will be ready to review | 14:18 | |
| mestery | #topic Documentation | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Documentation (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:18 | |
| Sukhdev | I will give it a test as well - within next day or so and report back | 14:18 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/neutron-ml2-docs ML2 Documentation BP | 14:18 |
| mestery | rkukura: You are leading documentation, any updates? | 14:18 |
| rkukura | I started looking at what documents need updating | 14:18 |
| rkukura | At least: install guides, could admin guide, config reference, networking admin guide, operations guide | 14:19 |
| dandrushko | Dear ML team is there any documentation task which can be assigned to me? | 14:19 |
| roaet | same, I'm looking for a documentation task (hopefully basic) | 14:19 |
| rkukura | we have several volunteers to work on docs: me, mestery, dandrushko and roaet | 14:20 |
| mestery | rkukura: Are you the only one setup to actually edit and submit gerrit reviews for docs? I am not. | 14:20 |
| rkukura | how many of us are fluent with the doc tools? | 14:20 |
| mestery | rkukura: Not me | 14:20 |
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| dandrushko | java doc? | 14:21 |
| roaet | rkukura: I am not fluent with the doc tools. | 14:21 |
| Sukhdev | not me either | 14:21 |
| mestery | rkukura: The best option may be for some of us to provide text and maybe graphics to you and let you format them and submit? | 14:21 |
| * mestery is thinking out loud here perhaps. | 14:21 | |
| rkukura | So one approach is to split up the various docs, and each deal with one or two | 14:21 |
| dandrushko | agree | 14:22 |
| roaet | rkukura: am I right to use https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo as a guide? | 14:22 |
| mestery | +1 | 14:22 |
| roaet | +1 as well on that | 14:22 |
| dandrushko | someone from core ML2 team should act as supervisor for this activity | 14:22 |
| rkukura | How about if we each take one or two existing docs and identify what's needed - new chapter, minor edits, re-org, ...? | 14:22 |
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| mestery | dandrushko: That's rkukura, with me as his trusty sidekick. :) | 14:22 |
| rkukura | dandrushko: I'm willing to do that, and am assigned the bug | 14:23 |
| mestery | rkukura: Seems fair, do you want to assign these? | 14:23 |
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| rkukura | I'll take networking admin guide, who wants the others? | 14:23 |
| dandrushko | rkukura: how can i contack you offline to arrange details? | 14:23 |
| rkukura | roaet: I think that's the place to start | 14:23 |
| rkukura | rkukura@redhat.com | 14:23 |
| roaet | Is there a list of the others (sorry for silly question)? | 14:24 |
| dandrushko | thanks | 14:24 |
| mestery | rkukura: Can you assign them to the 3 of us? | 14:24 |
| mestery | May be easier. | 14:24 |
| mestery | :) | 14:24 |
| roaet | agree :) | 14:24 |
| rkukura | or rkukura on freenode | 14:24 |
| rkukura | ok, can each of you send me an email, and I'll coordinate? | 14:25 |
| mestery | yes, thanks rkukura! | 14:25 |
| feleouet | I'd also be happy to help, but neither fluent in english nor in OS docs worflow | 14:25 |
| dandrushko | rkukura: sent initial req you | 14:26 |
| rkukura | I've only dabbled with docs, and a long time ago, but we'll figure it out | 14:26 |
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| Sukhdev | can I make a comment about the documentation? | 14:26 |
| rkukura | sure | 14:26 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes, please do | 14:26 |
| Sukhdev | On this main page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum | 14:26 |
| roaet | rkukura: maybe we can put a list of tasks as bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs with tag ml2 | 14:27 |
| Sukhdev | we need add the ML2 stuff and bring out all the ML2 drivers | 14:27 |
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| rkukura | roaet: makes sense | 14:27 |
| Sukhdev | this documentation is based upon the old plugins - with Havana ML2 architecture, we should highight the drivers and list them out | 14:28 |
| rkukura | So should our doc updates take the attitude that the monolithic (openvswitch, linuxbridge, hyperv) plugins are deprecated? | 14:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 14:29 |
| mestery | rkukura: yes | 14:29 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Lets address updating the wikis as part of the docs effort over the next couple weeks | 14:29 |
| mestery | I spoke with markmcclain about that yesterday, we will possibly remove them end of Icehouse even. | 14:29 |
| rkukura | I'd also like to see some documentation on the ml2 driver APIs, probably in the wiki | 14:30 |
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| apech | mestery: that'd be great, and certainly would remove the confusion | 14:30 |
| rcurran | remove the ovs plugin at end of icehouse? | 14:30 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Yes, that's what markmcclain was saying. | 14:30 |
| rkukura | we'll keep the agents of course! | 14:30 |
| rcurran | or just from a doc perspective | 14:30 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:30 |
| rkukura | unless we've got a modular agent by then | 14:30 |
| mestery | True | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: can only document that OVS and LB are deprecated | 14:31 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: agreed | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | HyperV deprecation is up to their maintainer | 14:31 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Thanks for organizing documentation. | 14:32 |
| mestery | Anything else on documentation? | 14:32 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: good point - I've been working with them to get the hyperv agent fully supportable with ml2, so we can hopefully get a decision | 14:32 |
| roaet | Question | 14:32 |
| Sukhdev | How about the vendor plugins - shall we also say they are depricated as well | 14:33 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: No | 14:33 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think that's up to each vendor | 14:33 |
| mestery | Right | 14:33 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 14:33 |
| mestery | We're only deprecating the open source plugins. | 14:33 |
| roaet | Should I watch the launchpad then for manual bugs tagged ml2? Will I be assigned through that mechanism or will I pick and choose? | 14:33 |
| Sukhdev | OK - I guess that makes sense | 14:33 |
| mestery | roaet: Lets let rkukura assign documentation tasks to people and then we can file bugs and assign them. | 14:34 |
| rkukura | roaet: feel free to email with preferences | 14:34 |
| roaet | mestery: rkukura: thanks. | 14:34 |
| rkukura | roaet: My inclination is to coordinate via email and track via launchpad | 14:34 |
| roaet | rkukura: +1 | 14:35 |
| roaet | Do you need our e-mail addresses or should we just e-mail you? | 14:35 |
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| mestery | roaet: Email rkukura would be best. | 14:36 |
| mestery | OK, anything else on docs at the moment? | 14:36 |
| roaet | Thank you, will do. | 14:36 |
| rkukura | I've got roaet's and dandrushko's | 14:36 |
| * mestery hopes you also have mine. :) | 14:36 | |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:37 | |
| mestery | Anything else on ML2 this week? | 14:37 |
| rkukura | icehouse design topics? | 14:37 |
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| roaet | This is open forum for non documentation topics? | 14:38 |
| rkukura | roaet: yes | 14:38 |
| mestery | rkukura: Let me unbury from LinuxCon to come up with Icehouse topics | 14:38 |
| rkukura | so next week? | 14:39 |
| roaet | We are intending to continue work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/configurable-ip-allocation and will soon announce our intentions on the openstack-dev mailing list. Does ML2 have concerns when it comes to configurable IPAM? | 14:39 |
| mestery | For me, I'll have some for next week, I promise. | 14:39 |
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| roaet | tldr: Pluggable IPAM conflicts with ML2 design? | 14:39 |
| mestery | roaet: It won't conflict as far as I know. | 14:39 |
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| rkukura | roaet: ml2 just uses base IPAM right now | 14:40 |
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| roaet | Excellent. Thanks for the input. | 14:40 |
| roaet | That is all from me. | 14:40 |
| mestery | roaet: No problem. | 14:40 |
| mestery | OK, lets focus on documentation, bugs, and devstack for the next week. | 14:40 |
| rkukura | sounds good | 14:41 |
| mestery | Thanks for everyone's contributions on ML2! | 14:41 |
| roaet | Thanks alll! | 14:41 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 14:41:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| rkukura | thanks mestery! | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-18-14.00.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-18-14.00.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-09-18-14.00.log.html | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 15:00:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| BobBall | hello! | 15:01 |
| BobBall | meeting time then :) | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | whos here for the meeting? | 15:02 |
| BobBall | just me ATM | 15:02 |
| BobBall | from Citrix anyway | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Mate has stepped out but will be back in a short time | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | just me from Rackspace (actively anyways) | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | you got lots of items to raise? | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | sure | 15:03 |
| BobBall | we can talk about a few bugs | 15:03 |
| BobBall | a few reviews | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:03 |
| BobBall | and prioritsation of bugs | 15:03 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Want a couple of bugs first? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | nah | 15:03 |
| BobBall | let's go to reviews | 15:03 |
| BobBall | prompted by bugs | 15:03 |
| BobBall | :D | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | just looking at agenda | 15:03 |
| BobBall | ok ok | 15:03 |
| BobBall | go thruogh the agenda then | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | No actions, so lets look at blueprints | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have started raising a few for Icehouse | 15:04 |
| BobBall | hopefully none since we're in RC! | 15:04 |
| BobBall | oh right | 15:04 |
| BobBall | what have you been raising? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | migration and making it work with ephemeral disks | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and general stuff in that direction | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | I see | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be good to get Icehouse blueprints up there before the summit | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | what doesn't work atm? just to understand | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | submitted a XenAPI roadmap talk, I should be availbe at the moment | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its listed in the blueprint, a bit confusing, but ephemeral disks get deleted the re-created at the momemnt | 15:05 |
| BobBall | oh right | 15:05 |
| BobBall | got a linky? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-migrate-ephemeral-disks | 15:06 |
| * BobBall will have a read | 15:06 | |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a dependent blueprint I may of may not do | 15:06 |
| BobBall | that looks a bit confused... | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-resize-ephemeral-disks | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | confused? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | I'm confused yeah | 15:07 |
| BobBall | why are there three cases there? | 15:07 |
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| matel | hi | 15:07 |
| BobBall | hi | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: one is migrate (and resize), one is evacuate, one is live-migrate | 15:08 |
| BobBall | looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-migrate-ephemeral-disks | 15:08 |
| BobBall | oh I get it I think | 15:09 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:09 |
| BobBall | no problem | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 15:09 |
| BobBall | I don't have nay other blueprints | 15:09 |
| BobBall | can we move to bugs then? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets get blueprints up soon for Icehouse | 15:10 |
| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227019 | 15:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227019 in nova "Error with run_tests.sh: Invalid version of "six" installed" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | then in a few weeks we can plan the XenAPI summit session | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | right... | 15:10 |
| BobBall | that's a silly one that hit me and Mate | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:10 | |
| BobBall | but worth showing you so you can approve it as a nova core :D | 15:10 |
| BobBall | (and then approve the fix of course :)) | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | but that's not worth talking about here | 15:11 |
| BobBall | that's just for info | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I want to talk about the next one: | 15:11 |
| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226622 | 15:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226622 in nova "Obscure error when plugins mismatch" [Medium,In progress] | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not been through reviews yet | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I've got a fix up there and I would really love it to get into Havana | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | a bunch of people will be testing with Havana in domU so I want the plugin version check accepted if at all possible | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, not gone through reviews today, but will hit those when I get chance later in the week | 15:13 |
| BobBall | cool | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | just bug me on IRC if I forget | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I accept the method is slightly ummm iffy - e.g. I'd really wnt to use MD5 hashes | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have some security bugs on XenAPI | 15:14 |
| matel | BobBall - pep8 issues. | 15:14 |
| BobBall | but hashlib isn't installed in dom0 :( | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I thought I fixed those... | 15:14 |
| BobBall | maybe I didn't push the latest | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I pushed up fixes for them | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | which are your patches? | 15:15 |
| matel | @john - which are the secbugs? | 15:15 |
| BobBall | thanks matel - dunno how I missed that email. | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1073306 | 15:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1073306 in nova "xenapi migrations don't apply security group filters" [High,In progress] | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1202266 | 15:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202266 in nova "xenapi: secgroups are not in place after live-migration" [High,In progress] | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | they are security bugs that got made open | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | because they were reported in the open | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have only got partial fixes | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is some new stuff here: | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | why is it partial? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1224587 | 15:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224587 in nova "xenapi: secgroups are not in place for a short duration after live-migration" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, only fixed the first bit | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | so what will be left over after your fix? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | the above bug | 15:19 |
| BobBall | oh right | 15:20 |
| BobBall | sorry | 15:20 |
| BobBall | me being slow | 15:20 |
| BobBall | understood | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I'd seen that | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I'm happy with that being leftover ATM | 15:20 |
| BobBall | we need to figure out what the right fix is internally | 15:20 |
| BobBall | of course I need to push that | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | can you take that bug then? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | and add comments? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | we should probably have a bug in github against xapi for it | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | or when we have an external bug tracker that's where it should go too | 15:21 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:21 |
| BobBall | I'll add a comment | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, once there is an external one available | 15:21 |
| BobBall | So I also went through a nd prioritised some bugs | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:22 |
| BobBall | but the list isn't easy to see cuz it's on trello | 15:22 |
| BobBall | but - from https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=xenserver | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | changed priorties? or non priortiesed ones? | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | just internal prioritsaion cuz I can't do anything other | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 15:23 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1030108 | 15:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1030108 in nova "xenapi: bad handling of "volume in use" errors" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats a nasty one | 15:23 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1161471 | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | well | 15:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161471 in nova "xenapi: guest kernel not cleaned up" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | easier question for oyu... | 15:23 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192528 | 15:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192528 in nova "XenAPI VCPU information unavailable" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | which ones are not medium? | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1215383 | 15:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1215383 in nova "XenAPI: Consider removing safe_copy_vdi" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:24 |
| BobBall | all medium | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | good good | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | any medium ones you don't think should be medium? | 15:24 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we go through those | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats useful for upstream readability | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | but I'm only going on what other bugs are in reviewday | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | confused | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1161471 I think should be lower | 15:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161471 in nova "xenapi: guest kernel not cleaned up" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:25 |
| BobBall | (looking at how other hypervisor bugs have been classified rather than what the "official" criteria are) | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, so I am using these: | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 15:26 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:26 |
| BobBall | others aren't :) | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | or I should sya | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | made that one low | 15:27 |
| BobBall | others don't appear to be adhering to the guidelines | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | it doesn't break the featrue | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its more than cosmetic, but low is OK | 15:28 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192528 should be low too IMO | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192528 in nova "XenAPI VCPU information unavailable" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, if you want to do the bug, please claim them in the bug tracker | 15:28 |
| BobBall | (even though I want to fix it now) | 15:28 |
| BobBall | We'll claim them when we start work on them | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | well that breaks the feature of vCPU scheduling | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (and really looks bad in horizon) | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but I get your point | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | its quite a corse grain priority | 15:29 |
| BobBall | oh, of course | 15:29 |
| BobBall | I hadn't thought about the scheduler filter | 15:29 |
| BobBall | yes - keep it medium | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, any more | 15:29 |
| BobBall | probably - but not for today :) | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | any fixes you want to discuss for the listed bugs? | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | also, do claim them, if you want them | 15:30 |
| BobBall | no fixes yet | 15:30 |
| BobBall | I only went through them today | 15:30 |
| BobBall | they are the ones I would like to see fixed for Havana | 15:31 |
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| matel | So the goal is to fix everything which is >= medium? | 15:31 |
| BobBall | no | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, well I don't think any of them are high enough to block havana, so will not target them for Havana | 15:31 |
| BobBall | some of the mediums I think are less urgent for the stable release | 15:31 |
| BobBall | agreed - none are blocking | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be good to get fixes up | 15:32 |
| BobBall | but they are my focus for what I'd like to get done :) | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have about 17 patches that are mostly bug fixes, up for review | 15:32 |
| BobBall | although I would very much like to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226622 as higher prioirty | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but no one is reviewing them at the moment | 15:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226622 in nova "Obscure error when plugins mismatch" [Medium,In progress] | 15:32 |
| BobBall | purely from a long-term supportability perspective | 15:32 |
| BobBall | not because it is a real bug in havana | 15:32 |
| BobBall | "bug" I should say | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, it should be low on the rules, so I thought medium was the best comprimise | 15:33 |
| BobBall | i.e. nothing goes wrong if you do everything right | 15:33 |
| BobBall | agreed | 15:33 |
| BobBall | I'm not going to argue for higher - I'm just saying that's the most important one to get in from my perspective | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thats cool | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | the next one is this one maybe: | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1030108 | 15:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1030108 in nova "xenapi: bad handling of "volume in use" errors" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you know how you plan on fixing that? | 15:34 |
| BobBall | no | 15:35 |
| BobBall | but it is importrant | 15:35 |
| BobBall | so I'd like to spend some time thinking about it | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have some idea | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its mostly a mismatch between the xenapi state machine and the cinder state machine | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so whatever the fix, I feel they should be in-sync | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideally the user should be told that something has gone wrong | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think if you but the instance into error | 15:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but leave the volume as attaching | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | then perform a reboot | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | then check volume is now attached after boot | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | user can peform a reboot to get the instance out of the error state | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean, make sure after the reboot, it is properly detached | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | that might mean make the reboot a turn off then on again | 15:38 |
| BobBall | right | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | just some idea | 15:38 |
| BobBall | it's a fun one for sure | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | its probably getting fixed in Icehouse now | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | be we should really fix that one | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so ... | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anything else? | 15:39 |
| BobBall | You think we should leave that one to Icehouse? | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope | 15:39 |
| BobBall | *confused* | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | just think it will take that long to get right | 15:39 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:40 |
| BobBall | maybe yeah | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we should get it fixed before Icehouse-1 | 15:40 |
| ekarlso | johnthetubaguy: is there a way in os with xs to migrate a vm from a host to another with diff cpu capabilities ? | 15:40 |
| BobBall | *grin* | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | ekarlso: yes, but you have to do it in advance | 15:40 |
| BobBall | ekarlso: set up CPU masking for the hosts | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | ekarlso: you can set the CPU masks | 15:40 |
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| BobBall | We do want to look at per-VM masking so you can migrate to a host with more features than the current host - but you'll never be able to migrate the other way. And that'd need a Xen change. | 15:41 |
| ekarlso | johnthetubaguy: meaning ? | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ekarlso: there are hints here http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX127059 | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ekarlso: basically, make sure Xen makes all your CPUs look the same | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | to the guests | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | Also have a look at http://blogs.citrix.com/2011/08/08/create-common-cpu-masks-for-heterogeneous-pools-in-xenserver/ which has a funky tool to work out what the mask should be | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | so the key is even if you're not using a "pool" we still have to verify the flags are the same in order to do bidirectional migrates | 15:43 |
| BobBall | normally we'd do the check on pool-join so it would be _very_ obvious that you couldn't migrate between the two | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the non pool case is a bit manual | 15:44 |
| ekarlso | is it a bad thing to do or ? | 15:44 |
| BobBall | but if you're using live migrate with Xen storage motion then that check occurs at run time when we check that the VM can go to the host | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | It's perfectly fine to restrict the flags :) | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: can you guys get a CTX article out for that? | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | specifically for non-pool people doing storage motion | 15:44 |
| BobBall | just means the VM won't use some of the capabilities that one host may have that the others dont | 15:45 |
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| BobBall | Agreed - but probably just to update http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX127059 to talk about XSM as well | 15:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, any more for any more? | 15:46 |
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| BobBall | not from me! | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy bug fixing | 15:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and happy blueprint suggesting for Icehouse | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets catch up in a little bit to talk about what goes in the XenAPI roadmap summit session | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 15:48:40 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-18-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-18-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-09-18-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 16:01:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
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| med_ | \o | 16:02 |
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| zhiyan | \o/ | 16:02 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Hey there everyone | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Looks like a good group | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | missing avishay and winston | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | but we'll move on and have a short meeting | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | I have a couple of things I wanted to remind everyone | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | A short meeting? Bwah ha ha! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: ping | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: hehe... well, we can always have goals | 16:03 |
| guitarzan | without those two it's possible! :D | 16:03 |
| caitlin-nexenta | jgriffth: yes? | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: wanted to make sure you were here for this first topic since Victor doesn't do IRC | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic Stop submitting your feature patches | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | As you've noticed if you submit a new feature patch I'm just going to -2 it anyway until we open up icehouse | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Please refrain from continuing to propose new feature patches for the time being | 16:04 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: when it will be open? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: depends on when we get RC1 cut | 16:04 |
| hemna | jgriffith, shouldn't that go for anything that doesn't have a bug associated with it ? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I should've specified but assumed process of elimination :) | 16:04 |
| hemna | I've seen a few reviews that are nothing more than code cleanups....no bugs associated | 16:05 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: got it | 16:05 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: so would now be a bad time to submit another file-shares patch? | 16:05 |
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| bswartz | jk | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | hemna: fell free to -2 them unless they're minimal and worth putting in | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | but at this point we want to try and limit any risk of regression/failures | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: HA!!! | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: you are funny this morning | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you're covering for kmartin ? | 16:06 |
| bswartz | yes | 16:06 |
| hemna | ok | 16:06 |
| kmartin | I'm here | 16:06 |
| hemna | that's what I was hoping you'd say. I'll -2 those now then. thanks | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | so anyway, just wanted to say. Please refrain for now as it just clutters the gates and the review dashboard | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: you have help today :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | #topic testing | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:07 | |
| jgriffith | We need all hands on deck for testing | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | the more we find and fix now the better | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to get the RC cut and move on to icehouse as soon as possible | 16:07 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | the only thing standing in the way for icehouse work is getting the RC cut | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | so you see the priority :) | 16:07 |
| hemna | when is the RC ? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | hemna: depens on when we're ready | 16:08 |
| hemna | ok | 16:08 |
| kmartin | nice, can I get help making PowerPoint slides? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | hemna: the way it works is we close out the issues for RC1 | 16:08 |
| bswartz | wait we still have 7 weeks to the developer summit | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | we test | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | see how the bug trajectory goes | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | repeat until there are no bugs | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | rc1, 2, 3 | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | if we go past 3 we're doing something wrong | 16:08 |
| hemna | that's bad mmmkay | 16:08 |
| bswartz | what kind of icehouse work should be happening between now and then? what about havana DOCS etc? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: I can spell check for you. ;-) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yes, docs as well | 16:09 |
| hemna | ew, that 4 letter word | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: none right now | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and none depending on where we are in a couple weeks | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: the window is there for an early start but that doesn't mean we'll be able to or should use it | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: by the time we get H ready and get sessions set up I don't think 7 weeks is as long as some may think | 16:10 |
| thingee | worked with a deployer on getting cinder running. made me take notes on things I found missing in the docs. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: nice! | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: publish it somewhere and we should all pitch in | 16:11 |
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| thingee | it's not a big list, but it could probably be expanded once people see it and think about it. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, hoping mind share will help | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'd really like to excel on the docs side if we could | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | G was a HUGE improvement | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | we can/should build on that momentum | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I am happy to help with that as a relative newbie. | 16:12 |
| * med_ is hoping to do some doc-ing that gets approved | 16:13 | |
| jgriffith | med_: :) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Can bring fresh eyes and questions to it. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | coolness | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | speaking of summit.... | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | #topic design summit | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | IMO this is a great list so far | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | I suspect all of these will be approved | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | thanks to folks for jumping on these early | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | with that... | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I think I'm done | 16:15 |
| kmartin | still room for a few more | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: yes, still room which is great | 16:15 |
| hemna | jgriffith, we may have another BP and session proposal on the way | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | hemna: bring it on | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Ok, anybody have anything they want to add/ask regarding sessions? | 16:15 |
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| kmartin | when is the cutoff date for submitting them? | 16:15 |
| eharney | i probably do too | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: you've got some time, but I guess considering the legal process you should move quickly :) | 16:16 |
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| med_ | heh | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I don't have a cut-off date right now | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: typically we go up until the 11'th hour on session organization etc | 16:16 |
| kmartin | I worked around those issues, I can do whatever I want for the next 3 releases | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: although it would be nice to NOT do that this time | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: Nice!!! | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: buy me a pony! | 16:16 |
| hemna | or a free hpcs account? :P | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: Rax gave me one of those :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | hemna: or at least a credit | 16:17 |
| hemna | nice! | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:17 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: more like a lottery ticket for the hoops I had to go though | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: hehe | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I can only imagine | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | anything on anybody's mind? | 16:18 |
| hemna | so the manager fix? | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: :) | 16:18 |
| hemna | heh | 16:18 |
| med_ | so the devref docs | 16:18 |
| hemna | if no one else wants the floor | 16:18 |
| med_ | is that doable for H or am I thinking I now? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | med_: def H | 16:18 |
| med_ | nodz. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | med_: docs are special category :) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | hemna: take it | 16:19 |
| * med_ feels special | 16:19 | |
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| jgriffith | med_: *is* very special | 16:19 |
| hemna | ok, so I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46843/ outstanding | 16:19 |
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| hemna | It tries to enforce the driver initialization flag | 16:19 |
| hemna | which the manager was basically all but ignoring | 16:19 |
| hemna | I have some jenkins issues to work out today | 16:19 |
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| hemna | but the idea is to have the manager enforce the driver being initialized properly. | 16:20 |
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| hemna | I need to look more at the backup manager as well and make sure it's being enforced there as well | 16:20 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: Regarding the cinderclient changes for the qos support. Is that going to get in H? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46979 | 16:21 |
| hemna | jgriffith, you mentioned you had some feedback for me on this yesterday, you can ping me outside the meeting if you like | 16:22 |
| hemna | I presume we want this to make RC | 16:22 |
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| hemna | ? | 16:23 |
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| kmartin | seems that jgriffith moved the meeting to the #openstack-cinder? | 16:24 |
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| hemna | crickets | 16:25 |
| bswartz | kmartin: yes | 16:25 |
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| hemna | chirp | 16:25 |
| hemna | chirp | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DERP!!! | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | I just started my rant in #cinder | 16:25 |
| kmartin | and jgriffith is back | 16:25 |
| hemna | lol | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | sorry bout that | 16:26 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok, so I'm on board w/ you on the manager not breaking | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | anyway | 16:26 |
| hemna | I think that's great | 16:26 |
| hemna | and I'm enforcing that in my patch | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok, we'll get your patch looked at and move on | 16:26 |
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| hemna | all I did is just add some logging of the caught exception. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I agree that there needs to be a second half to the change | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna: perfecto | 16:26 |
| hemna | and then enforcing the initialized flag in the rest of the manager. | 16:26 |
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| caitlin-nexenta | henma: could you save me a lot of reading, where are the QOS specs enforced? | 16:26 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: Regarding the cinderclient changes for the qos support. Is that going to get in H? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46979 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: it has to :) | 16:27 |
| hemna | ok coolio. I'll fix the jenkins issues today and put up another patch on it. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I'm waiting on that from winston and avishay's migration changes | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | caitlin-nexenta: Either at the hypervisor or the backend, depending on which you set when you create the limit | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | then I plan to push to PyPi | 16:27 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: kind of needs land before I start making the changes in the driver | 16:28 |
| caitlin-nexenta | DuncanT: thanks. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: huh? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: you messin with me again? | 16:28 |
| caitlin-nexenta | That's something I have to check. It's not the most visible of constraints for backend implementers. | 16:28 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: and what about cinderclient change for r/o-volume support, do you think we can landing it concurrently? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44672/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45171/ | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: ?? chirp chirp chirp | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: oh about tht | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | that | 16:29 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: sorry I was in the cinder room | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I thought last week we all decided that since it wasn't supported in Nova we were going to disable it in the policy? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: HA! | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: in which case I don't want to put something in the client that can't actually be used yet | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: or am I missing something? | 16:30 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: yes, i know. but those two are for cinderclient. | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: sure, but why expose them if you can't use them? | 16:30 |
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| zhiyan | jgriffith: actually those be used by nova...humm, yes, actually i just want to try land them concurrently to save time, and nova server side change can be landing asap when FF finished.. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: I'd prefer to see it as a WIP and as soon as we release RC we can update | 16:32 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: it would be difficult to test qos feature if I can't set the qos_specs and relate them to volume types | 16:32 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: ok. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: makes it cleaner for pkg maintainers/builders for H IMO | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: yeah, I've been using curl and tried to get postman workign again :) | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: make sense. thanks. will mark it wip until FF finish. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: the problem I see is that since we're well beyond FFE we're all kinda stuck WRT to the new stuff around QoS | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: thank you | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: the onslaught of driver/bug's changes would be highly annoying and subject to all sorts of problems IMO | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: but that being said | 16:34 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: ok, it is pretty late so I can wait and do it in Icehouse | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: let's get an update from winston or get it in our selves and go from there | 16:34 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: ok | 16:34 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: did you have any thoughts about brick? | 16:34 |
| hemna | dosaboy, what about brick ? | 16:35 |
| dosaboy | you mentioned you had spome concerns and wanetd to review where it was going? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I'd like to get a gauge on everybody's needed activity on that once we have the client changes in | 16:35 |
| caitlin-nexenta | How about somebody defining it. | 16:35 |
| hemna | ah yes, that was my todo last week wasn't it. | 16:35 |
| hemna | d'oh | 16:35 |
| dosaboy | hemna: so i'm planning to add some rbd bits to brick | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: shared library of commone block storage related functions | 16:35 |
| kmartin | sounds good, I think only a few drivers actually support QOS | 16:35 |
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| dosaboy | but I understand that we want to avoid brick becoming a holdall for everybodies common driver code | 16:36 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, initiator and target right ? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: yeah, which is what people are rapidly trying to do | 16:36 |
| hemna | dosaboy, correct, it's not a driver repository | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and base LVM functionality | 16:36 |
| med_ | is brick part of cinder or a separate library (and is it used in other projects (nova, etc)) | 16:36 |
| caitlin-nexenta | jgriffith: that's a non-definition. *which* common functions? With that definition you should call it "kitchen sink" | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | part of cinder right now that will be a lib for I | 16:36 |
| med_ | nod | 16:36 |
| dosaboy | med_: afaik brick is intended to become an exportable lib | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: it is a definition, you just don't like it | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | everybody hold up for a second.. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | So the idea was/is simply this: | 16:37 |
| * dosaboy digs out a bp | 16:37 | |
| jgriffith | Currently there is a bunch of duplicate code between nova and cinder | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | This duplicate code I'm referring to is around handling initiators and targets in iscsi | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | as well as connection code for FibreChannel etc | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | In addition, both Nova and Cinder do a good deal with LVM | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | One aspect of Brick was intended to consolidate those things | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | NOT for everybody to put their driver in brick | 16:38 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith, hemna: so right now I have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/add-rbd-support-to-cinder-brick | 16:39 |
| dosaboy | it is looseluy defined | 16:39 |
| dosaboy | i see there is a ne task in there too | 16:39 |
| dosaboy | but basically, since rbd support is now in nova + glance + cinder | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: yes, that would make it a candidate here | 16:39 |
| dosaboy | i think there is defo scope for some common rbd code going int | 16:39 |
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| dosaboy | good good | 16:39 |
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| hemna | my eventual plan is to take the kvm libvirt volume driver code and put them all as connectors in brick | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: but this has become a bit muttled and we need clearer distinctions and long term goals | 16:40 |
| hemna | I have iscsi and FC now | 16:40 |
| * dosaboy has yet to actually find a chance to code it | 16:40 | |
| dosaboy | i hope to have something proto'd by I | 16:40 |
| dosaboy | hemna: nod | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | We'll regroup on this at the summit by the way | 16:41 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Some drivers getting into brick will create an incentive for all drivers to get their code their as well. A utility library should be driver neutral. I'm seeing far too much about LVM and RBD. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: do you have a copy of your driver in Cinder and in Nova? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: I agree with you | 16:42 |
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| dosaboy | caitlin-nexenta: rbd is actually a protocol not just a driver | 16:42 |
| caitlin-nexenta | The original would still be in nova, but we've been updating in Cinder. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: original? | 16:42 |
| dosaboy | which is natively supported alongside iscsi in some hypervisors | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: what are you talking about there? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: but there's a better/different way to handle that IMO | 16:43 |
| caitlin-nexenta | Actually I'm not sure if it is still there. There was a nexenta driver in nova-volume before Cinder. | 16:43 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: pray tell | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: it's not | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: we did what was called a volume-ectomy | 16:43 |
| med_ | heh | 16:43 |
| caitlin-nexenta | ok, it would still work - but it's nice not to have to worry about it. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | all of the block device drivers were removed from Nova | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: it woudl not | 16:44 |
| hemna | *sigh* | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: the Nova code has been completely redone | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | anyway | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Here's my take for now: | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | NO drivers go in brick | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | period | 16:44 |
| hemna | +2 | 16:44 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: +3 | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | connectors, helpers etc we'll address as needed | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | agreed | 16:45 |
| caitlin-nexenta | And those should be defined in ways that are driver neutral. | 16:45 |
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| hemna | caitlin-nexenta, they already are, so I'm not sure what your complaints are about at this point. | 16:45 |
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| hemna | next topic ? | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT- | caitlin-nexenta: brick is not designed to be driver neutral... it is a place for useful common code, not a place that many drivers need to touch | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | ok I think we're done for now | 16:47 |
| caitlin-nexenta | THen why isthe title "Add RBD support to cinder brick" | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | no need to rat-hole | 16:47 |
| hemna | anngentle wanted us to see if anyone was going to write docs for volume encryption | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: who cares, it's not approved, it's not implemented | 16:47 |
| dosaboy | it is a bad title | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | caitlin-nexenta: let's not worry about things that don't currently exist | 16:47 |
| caitlin-nexenta | ok | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: +1 by the way | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | let's adjurn | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | so much for the 15 minute meeting I had envisioned :( | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 16:48 |
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| hemna | blame it on me | 16:48 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 16:48:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-18-16.01.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-18-16.01.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-09-18-16.01.log.html | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | thanks everybody | 16:48 |
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| * hartsocks waves | 16:49 | |
| tjones | *waves back* | 16:50 |
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| hartsocks | okay. | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 17:00:27 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Who's around to talk? | 17:00 |
| tjones | im here | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | hey. | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | Might be a short meeting then! | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | Only us about. | 17:01 |
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| tjones | LOL | 17:01 |
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| * hartsocks listens to crickets while waiting for more people | 17:02 | |
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| tjones | *checks for the ios 7 update while waiting for more people* | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | nice. | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | It's 8pm for Gary. I guess we won't see him. | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | Any HP folks around? | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | Well, the Feature Freeze means we won't talk Blueprints right now. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | Our next deadline is the Havana-rc1 release which doesn't yet have a firm date. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | That means our focus should be: | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/47225/ | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | The link has output from one of my new reporting tools. | 17:08 |
| tjones | nice! | 17:08 |
| tjones | the age is really good | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | I got tired of building these manually, so this will be easier to keep up to date. | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | Yeah. age. That's actually really useful... | 17:10 |
| vuil | hi vui here. Hopping in and out, due to conflict with a conf call I am now. | 17:10 |
| dims | hartsocks, missing one of mine? 43641 | 17:10 |
| tjones | can you look at vui's VMwareVCDriver: Sparse disk copy error on spawn again? he explained why he is using self rather than the class name (since it's static). maybe better to "unstatic" for clarity | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | vuil: hey | 17:10 |
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| dims | hartsocks, one more review of mine 46277 missing as well | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | dims: ah, I wrote this to scan for bug and a number, you use LP# and a number. I'll have to fix that. | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | I knew we had a lot of reviews to do. | 17:12 |
| dims | hartsocks, not sure where i picked that habit from :) | 17:13 |
| vuil | 40298 and 43994 have had multiple +1's for a while, just in a holding pattern of constant rebasing. | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | yeah, the "age" field shows some problems ... | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | your change 40298 is 14 days old... | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | this one... | 17:15 |
| vuil | I am going to do another rebase because I see some dependent changes are going to be updated as well. But other than putting the comment on the static call, there is nothing I am aware of that need to be addressed | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | … this is pretty bad: | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | * Medium https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180044 review: https://review.openstack.org/43270 | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | title: 'nova failures when vCenter has multiple datacenters' | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | votes: +2:0, +1:1, -1:0, -2:0 age: 27 days | 17:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180044 in nova "nova failures when vCenter has multiple datacenters" [Medium,In progress] | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | 27 days old. | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | so, I should figure out how to bump these up to "ready for core" | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | You can see we have some patches that sit "ready" for almost a month at a time. | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | BTW: I'm calling something "ready" if it has 5 or more +1 votes from the group. | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | Well, the order of the day for me is *reviews* I will try and work through the 9 I see here ready for review and catch the ones dims pointed out this week and early next. | 17:20 |
| dims | thanks hartsocks | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | The order by "priority" thing is experimental. | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | It's using both the nova project priority plus any other priority we assign. | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | So a line like... | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | * High/Critical https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1223709 https://review.openstack.org/46027 readiness:ready for core | 17:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1223709 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "VMware: boot from volume exception" [Critical,In progress] | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | Means nova calls it "High" and we call it "Critical" | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | Critical for us means you shouldn't ship an OpenStack distro with the driver without this bug fix. | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | I've been told we should almost never use the "Critical" status in Nova ... | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | in nova "Critical" is supposed to mean all users are affected by this problem. | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | The argument I've heard is "only vSphere users can be effected by this bug" whenever I've tried to use the "Critical" status for one of our bugs. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | So we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-vmwareapi-team | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | to attach different priorities when nova/driver priorities don't line up. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | Any questions? Any bugs we need to get on the list? | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | So anything anyone needs to discuss at all? | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | We have 6 new bugs that don't have priorities on them. | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1209090 | 17:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1209090 in nova "create VM instances failed by vmwareapi.VCDriver" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | I've seen this before: | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | "Got this error 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-4: ordinal not in range(128)". | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | But, it goes away and I've never root caused it. | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | (beyond being a SOAP error) | 17:31 |
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| hartsocks | This sounds familiar: | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1225468 | 17:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1225468 in nova "vmware: boot failure due to partial image copy" [Undecided,New] | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | anyone working on this? | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | I'll take that as a no. | 17:33 |
| vuil | thot tracy sounded out in an email that this is a dupe of another | 17:34 |
| tjones | oh i am kinda | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | what have you figured out? | 17:34 |
| tjones | i think it's a dup of one i am working on - partial upload | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | link? | 17:35 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1213269 | 17:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1213269 in nova "_check_if_folder_file_exists only checks for metadata file" [Low,Confirmed] | 17:35 |
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| vuil | I would concur that this is indeed a dupe. | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | I've got bug manager privs, so I've marked it. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | This one jumps out: | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226709 | 17:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226709 in nova "Unable to boot from volume using VC VMDK cinder driver" [Undecided,New] | 17:38 |
| tjones | on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226709 it references a traceback showing __deepcopy__ i have seen that intermittenlty latel | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | hmm... | 17:41 |
| * russellb waves | 17:41 | |
| russellb | just dropping in, need anything from me? | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | russellb: hey | 17:41 |
| russellb | be sure to target bugs you want to make sure get into havana to havana-rc1 | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | We're triaging and working on this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/47225/ | 17:42 |
| russellb | cool | 17:42 |
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| russellb | so probably target all your high priority ones to rc1? | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | That would be the goal. | 17:42 |
| russellb | cool, you should be able to do that | 17:42 |
| smurugesan | Hi Shawn, I just dropped in, looks like you missed https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1190515 in your list | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | I've started tracking a review's age too... | 17:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190515 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "Incorrect host stats reported by VMWare VCDriver" [High,In progress] | 17:43 |
| russellb | how are you calculating age? | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | timestamp of last posted patchSet | 17:43 |
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| russellb | what's the goal of tracking the age? | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | Some of our reviews sit around longer without attention… that forces merge problems. | 17:44 |
| russellb | if the audience is reviewers, you should take -1s into account too | 17:44 |
| russellb | meaning, is it waiting on a reviewer or not | 17:44 |
| russellb | i do some of this kind of stuff in my openreviews stats | 17:45 |
| russellb | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | wow | 17:45 |
| russellb | could potentially update that script to generate the same stats, but on a subset of reviews | 17:45 |
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| russellb | code here btw - https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/reviewstats | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | thanks! | 17:46 |
| russellb | sure | 17:47 |
| russellb | so you're not singled out at the top of the old stuff list or anything :-) | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | nice to know we're in good company! | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | :-p | 17:47 |
| russellb | heh | 17:48 |
| russellb | well, yeah, those stats are really useful for me | 17:48 |
| * russellb tries to get the patch of yours on the list reviewed | 17:48 | |
| russellb | looks easy | 17:48 |
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| dims | russellb, one question, is it better to leave a review alone or keep rebasing? (if it is not getting attention that is) | 17:49 |
| russellb | rebase if it has a conflict is fine | 17:50 |
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| russellb | one of my "longest waiting" lists ignores rebases (the last one) | 17:50 |
| dims | great, thanks. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | russellb, I noticed there are some scripts that pull forward +1's on some rebases. | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | what are the rules on those? | 17:51 |
| russellb | yeah if it's a trivial rebase (as in, you probably didn't *need* to rebase), it will copy reviews over | 17:52 |
| russellb | i don't know the exact logic for trivial rebase detection | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | I'll have to figure out how to detect a rebase and use that info in my own reporting. | 17:53 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12373/ | 17:53 |
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| russellb | hartsocks: all i'm doing it looking at the the oldest revision that doesn't have any -1 on it | 17:53 |
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| russellb | and if you guys hadn't seen those before, there's also this: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/all-openreviews.html | 17:55 |
| vuil | I was curious and looked up trivial rebase detection: | 17:55 |
| vuil | https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/source/browse/contrib/trivial_rebase.py?spec=svnb7b202049d1285df8647ea1816f698c0a7b29d72&r=b7b202049d1285df8647ea1816f698c0a7b29d72 | 17:55 |
| russellb | showing all projects combined and individually | 17:55 |
| russellb | Nova generally beats average review times across all projects, fwiw :) | 17:55 |
| vuil | It is based on git-patch-id. Essentially SHA1 of diff ignoring whitespaces and line num differences | 17:56 |
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| russellb | ah, cool | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | Before we lose the room, anything else I need to get on my list? | 17:58 |
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| hartsocks | Okay guys. | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | I'm usually hanging out in #openstack-vmware if you need me. | 17:59 |
| smurugesan | https://review.openstack.org/33100 is not on your list | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | russellb, thanks for helping us out on our priority bugs. | 18:00 |
| smurugesan | can you please add the same | 18:00 |
| smurugesan | thanks | 18:00 |
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| smurugesan | Kind of tops Russell's list somewhere. | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | heh. looks like I have a bug in my report software. | 18:01 |
| russellb | i may take that list out actually ... i'm not sure how useful it is | 18:02 |
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| russellb | (time since the 1st revision) | 18:02 |
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| hartsocks | I'll go back over everything after this meeting and send an updated list. | 18:04 |
| hartsocks | Thanks for coming today everyone! | 18:04 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 18:05:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-18-17.00.html | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-18-17.00.txt | 18:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-09-18-17.00.log.html | 18:05 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 19:01:21 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| torgomatic | OH JOY | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaitcev | o7 | 19:01 |
| clayg | o8 | 19:01 |
| creiht | ☃ | 19:01 |
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| * portante can barely read that | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | looks like dfg and gholt jsut recently joined in here | 19:02 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | first thing up is swift client dependency | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic swift client dependency | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift client dependency (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: you added this to the agenda. ant to give an overview? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | s/and/want/ | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | basically, there's a bunch of stuff we could be doing with the client, like py3 compatibility, or whatever | 19:03 |
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| torgomatic | but any time there's a new dependency, it transitively winds up in swift, and that's really annoying | 19:03 |
| notmyname | indeed | 19:03 |
| dfg | i'm cool with it | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | so basically, i want to move swift-bench out to its own repo, then there's like two calls in container sync that need to be rewritten to be plain old HTTP | 19:04 |
| clayg | dfg: what is "it" in that sentence referring too? | 19:04 |
| notmyname | k | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | and that's about it | 19:04 |
| * portante is in favor of this work | 19:04 | |
| torgomatic | then we can do things like turn on SSL cert checking by default in client version 2.0.0.0.0.0 without hosing swift | 19:05 |
| creiht | that sounds reasonable to me | 19:05 |
| dfg | clayg: i'm cool with what torgomatic is saying | 19:05 |
| notmyname | I've talked to the -infra guys about splitting out swift-bench into another repo. it's fairly simple to do and doesn't really require any extra work from anyone to get set up | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | alright, sounds like a plan then | 19:06 |
| notmyname | is anyone opposed to moving in that direction? splitting out swift-bench and updating container-sync? | 19:06 |
| zaitcev | and direct_client.py | 19:06 |
| * portante aquaducts? | 19:07 | |
| clayg | zaitcev: you want direct_client to go out with swift-bench because he's the only guy using it? | 19:07 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: I meant maybe keep json_load locally perhaps. | 19:07 |
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| zaitcev | it's trivial by comparison with container-sync | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | could move direct_client into python-swiftclient too, or its own repo, or swift-bench, or whatever | 19:08 |
| dfg | why direct_client? cause nobody likes it? | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | because it depends on swiftclient | 19:09 |
| notmyname | in direct_client, there is "from swiftclient import ClientException, json_loads" | 19:09 |
| notmyname | so that doesn't look like a heavy dependency | 19:09 |
| creiht | we could fix that pretty easily | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | also "import swiftclient as client" | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ay | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | which is heavy | 19:09 |
| creiht | and leave direct_client in | 19:09 |
| dfg | ya- missed that part- i'd rather just refactor it | 19:09 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: where? not in direct_client.py | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | swift/common/bench.py:import swiftclient as client | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: oh, bench.py | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | sorry, wrong file | 19:10 |
| notmyname | which will move out, so no worries there :-) | 19:10 |
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| creiht | swift-bench will still have swift as a dependency | 19:10 |
| creiht | will that be an issue? | 19:10 |
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| dfg | what about probetests? | 19:11 |
| portante | what is that level of dependency? | 19:11 |
| notmyname | ya, I was wondering about tests | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | dfg: what about them? do they use direct_client? | 19:11 |
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| dfg | no swiftclient | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | ah | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | swift_Test_client.py | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | even just moving swiftclient from a runtime to a test-time dependency would be a decent win, IMO | 19:12 |
| dfg | who are we kidding- nobody runs probetests anyway ;) | 19:12 |
| creiht | hah | 19:12 |
| notmyname | creiht: I'm ok with swift-bench initially depending on swift (ie it does today, so that's not new). but a longer-term plan would be nice to remove it and only make siwft-bench rely on swiftclient | 19:12 |
| creiht | yeah | 19:12 |
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| torgomatic | fwiw, bench's dependencies on Swift code don't look too heavy (other than direct-client) | 19:13 |
| notmyname | so the functional and probe tests are an issue | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | a couple constants, config_true_value | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | a json lib | 19:14 |
| creiht | torgomatic: yeah, and then you could make swift not a hard pre-req, only if you want to do direct benching | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | creiht: yep | 19:14 |
| creiht | I don't want to remove that feature as it does come in handy from time to time | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | so it sounds like we're pretty much agreed: step 1a is pull out swift-bench into its own repo, step 1b is to pull the client out of container-sync, step 2 is TBD | 19:16 |
| notmyname | so initially, move swift-bench to another repo, patch up contianer_sync, and use swiftclient only for testing in swift | 19:16 |
| creiht | we should probably wait for post release for that though right? | 19:17 |
| notmyname | yes, absolutely | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | sure | 19:17 |
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| dfg | and fix up direct_client too right? | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | and fix up direct_client | 19:17 |
| notmyname | yes | 19:17 |
| notmyname | any other comments on that? | 19:17 |
| creiht | wait, shouldn't we vote for clayg's sake? :) | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | if we need another repo, I nominate our fearless leader to go fetch it from the infra guys :) | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | ya, I'll do that. that part's easy :-) | 19:18 |
| creiht | repos as a service | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | #agreed move swift_bench to another repo and fix up the few places in swift that need it for runtime | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #topic havana release timeline | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | we've been asked to deliver an RC sometime between sept 19 (ie tomorrow) and oct 8 | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | I don't think there's any way to do so by tomorrow, but I'd like to shoot for having patches landed by the end of next week | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ie Sepy 27 | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | #topic patches for havana | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | so, on the topic of patches for the release | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I've put on the agenda a list of stuff that I'd like to see in this release and a list of things that are nice to haves for the release | 19:21 |
| creiht | I wouldn't mind some more eyes on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45134/ | 19:21 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:21 |
| creiht | :) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | creiht: yup. definitely want that one in | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | This is competitor to redbo's UDP or a compliment? | 19:22 |
| creiht | cool, yeah just saw your list | 19:22 |
| creiht | zaitcev: I would say complimentary | 19:22 |
| portante | is there other work to consider besides what is on the wiki? | 19:22 |
| portante | bugs? | 19:22 |
| creiht | portante: that's for post RC ;) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | portante is basically trying to win all the internet points by getting the review count up, but the disk file stuff is the last "new" feature I'd like to see. | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | please take a look at the diskfile refactors | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | one of the main reasons for wanting the refactoring in what's called "havana" is because so many people (red hat included) will grab that and not update until next spring | 19:24 |
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| portante | red hat also wants pete's work on the pluggable backends | 19:25 |
| notmyname | the compressing file reader patch from glange should get in (it's pretty small), and the large object patches should get in too | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | portante: zaitcev: that makes a long list of patches | 19:26 |
| portante | ack | 19:26 |
| zaitcev | I know | 19:26 |
| * portante does his best bill the cat impression | 19:26 | |
| zaitcev | I thought it would be too ambitious from the start, that's why the attempts to codify the existing API and move on to proxy. But you guys shot it down. | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | my hope for havana is that a 3rd party will be able to take the code and provide a diskfile implementation. docs and auditing/etc can be added after havana, but the basic support shoudl be in havana | 19:27 |
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| portante | it is a partial win for red hat, but does not solve the customer requests here | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | will rackspace devs be able to look at the diskfile refactors? y'all have been pretty silent on it | 19:28 |
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| * portante would like that as well | 19:28 | |
| notmyname | portante: it enables a lot of new use cases in swift | 19:28 |
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| zaitcev | John, once again, DiskFile is in decent shape... Peter has reviews posted. But my half is in trouble as it lags on the account of things like ReplicatorRpc. | 19:29 |
| portante | the combination of the pluggable backend work with that makes it much easier to support | 19:29 |
| creiht | notmyname: I think most of us have been a bit ambivalent about it | 19:29 |
| creiht | One thing that I think some of us have struggled with, is it would help tremendously if there was an actual other implementation that used the refactoring | 19:30 |
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| zaitcev | Yeah... If we could pull Ceph over from their RGW thingie to using the Pluggable Backend, that would be nice. But I did not even talk to them yet. | 19:30 |
| portante | thre are two | 19:30 |
| notmyname | portante has a sample in-memory config proposed | 19:30 |
| portante | the in-memory diskfile module in the last post | 19:30 |
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| portante | and gluster (being worked on now) | 19:30 |
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| creiht | well besides something simple | 19:30 |
| creiht | :) | 19:30 |
| portante | will be posting the gluster refactoring later today (hopefully) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | I'd love to see an xfs-specific one | 19:31 |
| creiht | having something that actually works as a real world use case, helps validate the usefulness of it | 19:31 |
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| portante | the gluster one is basically XFS specific | 19:31 |
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| portante | it does not do any really glustery stuff yet | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: I talked to sage over lunch about it. maybe there is something there, but it's not incredibly likely | 19:31 |
| portante | the gluster-swift team lead by lpabon will be using libgfapi instead of direct system calls later | 19:31 |
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| creiht | notmyname, zaitcev: I really doubt this type of refactor would work with ceph | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | creiht: it wouldn't | 19:32 |
| notmyname | and, that's not actually a goal | 19:32 |
| portante | ceph would plug in once we rework the proxy layer to allow pluggable controllers | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | this work (diskfile and db broker) combined with the erasure code stuff that's in progress, will allow for a deployer to choose 1) what subset of hardware is used 2) how the data is stored on that hardware and 3) how the communication with a particular storage volume actually happens | 19:33 |
| portante | agreed | 19:34 |
| notmyname | that's the cool stuff that the current work is enabling | 19:34 |
| notmyname | a single swift cluster, with optimized communication to the volume, that has multiple replicated or non-replicated storage policies | 19:35 |
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| portante | creiht: would still like your input on the backend work | 19:35 |
| notmyname | including migration storage policies like an s3 policy so that a swift container can "mirror" or proxy data in an s3 bucket | 19:35 |
| notmyname | but that's at least 3 months out ;-) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | so back to the havana patches (ie stuff to get merged by the end of next week)... | 19:36 |
| notmyname | what is missing from the list? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: do you have a link to your's? | 19:36 |
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| creiht | portante: and most of us are quite busy, so it may be difficult for us to find time to give it priority | 19:37 |
| creiht | sorry :/ | 19:37 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: is it just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40037/ ? | 19:37 |
| zaitcev | There's this https://review.openstack.org/45786, but we figured it's probably no good, so I'm re-doing it. And there should be just 1 more | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: k, thanks. I'll update the list and ask you in -swift if I have any questions | 19:38 |
| notmyname | moving on to the last topic... | 19:38 |
| notmyname | #topic dealing with the large review queue | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | we've had a very large review queue recently, and we need a better way to tackle it | 19:39 |
| zaitcev | 40037 should not that controversial. Funny though initially it had split configs, Ayal and Peter thought it was too confusing, so I moved that into swift.conf. Now Clay said it's too inflexible, split it back up. But that's details really. | 19:39 |
| glange | make fewer changes :) | 19:39 |
| notmyname | patches are staying around far to long, and it's frustrating for both reviewers and submitters | 19:39 |
| notmyname | so we need some ideas of what to do | 19:40 |
| creiht | yeah chain portante down somwhere so he can't make so many refacotrs :) | 19:40 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:40 |
| notmyname | we can see who's been active in gerrit at http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/swift-reviewers-90.txt | 19:40 |
| * portante smiles quietly to himself | 19:40 | |
| notmyname | so there's the wall of shame / wall of pride | 19:40 |
| notmyname | besides "just do less programming", what can we do? | 19:41 |
| notmyname | I can provide a list of prioritized reviews at each meeting if that would be helpful | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | do we need review days? | 19:41 |
| zaitcev | Well, I'm doing to deliver the two I mentioned and just review the heck out of it | 19:41 |
| notmyname | do we need a dedicated review sprint? | 19:41 |
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| portante | I would be up for a review sprint | 19:41 |
| torgomatic | the swiftclient ones are backed up because I'm scared of introducing new transitive dependencies on Swift, hence the first 20 minutes of this meeting | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | er, into swift, not on swift | 19:42 |
| notmyname | do we need more (or different) core devs who can spend more time reviewing? | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | so once that's fixed, those'll unwedge | 19:42 |
| zaitcev | One in particular was David's ACL thingie, I thoght most of it was good except this writer ACL... He disagreed. Fine, nobody else chimed in to break us up, then it went inactive | 19:42 |
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| zaitcev | Currently I try not to look into reviews which have intricate impact. Only nibble on the sides. | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: that one has been long, but I'm not thinking of a particular patch. I mean, we've got 3 pages of stuff now | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | do we need more active nagging in IRC? | 19:44 |
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| creiht | notmyname: that will probably just make it worse | 19:44 |
| * portante is also up for a prioritized list to burn down | 19:44 | |
| zaitcev | I tune that out. It works while it's rare | 19:44 |
| notmyname | I agree with that | 19:44 |
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| torgomatic | agreed w/zaitcev; if it becomes common, I'll just learn to ignore it | 19:45 |
| zaitcev | Maybe official sprint | 19:45 |
| notmyname | just trying to throw ideas out to get feedback :-) | 19:45 |
| torgomatic | whether I want to learn that or not | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | hmm...the current top reviewers are agreeing that a review sprint is good ;-) | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | we could try a prioritized list for a little while; if that's small, it'll help provide focus | 19:46 |
| portante | so today, if an organization proposes a change, where they only have one core dev, they are hosed | 19:46 |
| creiht | lol | 19:46 |
| zaitcev | I have a ton of auto-nag e-mails "please rebuild glusterfs" from Fedora which I ignore | 19:46 |
| notmyname | portante: in general, an org pushing changes in without external input is bad too | 19:46 |
| portante | agreed | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's start with the prioritized list and see how that helps (like torgomatic said) | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | eh, my coworkers are quite efficient at ripping my diffs to little tiny pieces | 19:47 |
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| portante | but doubly worse because you can possible not ever get one reviewer to voich | 19:47 |
| notmyname | and not try to fix too much all at once | 19:47 |
| portante | vouch | 19:47 |
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| portante | notmyname: sounds good | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | kk, I'll start that, well I guess today with the havana list. ta da! | 19:48 |
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| creiht | yeah having a general priority list will help a lot | 19:48 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: throw a link in the topic on #openstack-swift so it's easy to find once I close this browser tab | 19:48 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: will do (although any voiced person can set topic) | 19:49 |
| torgomatic | ah, nifty. I just always assume I have peon-level rights in any channel I didn't start | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #topic general | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | ok, 2 small things FYI | 19:50 |
| notmyname | one, openstack elections are coming up soon | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | vote for pedro! | 19:50 |
| notmyname | basically every PTL is up (as normal), and the TC election is general this time (ie PTLs don't get a seat automatically) | 19:50 |
| creiht | oh yeah, forgot about the TC change | 19:51 |
| notmyname | ttx sent an email to the mailing list recently with info | 19:51 |
| notmyname | second, the swift sprint in austin is coming up in a few weeks. I'll be starting on a rough schedule next week. | 19:51 |
| notmyname | for now, the only scheduled thing is BBQ on wednesday night | 19:51 |
| * portante can't wait to fly in and pig out | 19:52 | |
| notmyname | anything else? any questions or concerns? | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | what are we having for dinner the other nights? | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:52 |
| zaitcev | BigMac | 19:52 |
| zaitcev | Russian programmers eat instant noodles. | 19:52 |
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| creiht | torgomatic: leftover BBQ :) | 19:53 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:53 |
| portante | works for me | 19:53 |
| notmyname | thanks for being here next week. thanks for making swift awesome | 19:53 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 18 19:53:49 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-09-18-19.01.html | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-09-18-19.01.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-09-18-19.01.log.html | 19:53 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 18 20:00:21 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:00 |
| bgorski | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:00 |
| spzala | hi | 20:00 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | hi | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | Hi | 20:01 |
| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:01 |
| therve | Hi! | 20:01 |
| radix | hi! | 20:01 |
| radix | hello from cloudy austin! | 20:01 |
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| shardy | therve, sdake around? | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | zaneb? | 20:02 |
| therve | shardy, Hi :) | 20:02 |
| shardy | stevebaker: zaneb is ill I think | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | hello from sunny seattle | 20:02 |
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| radix | SpamapS: heh heh | 20:02 |
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| shardy | Ok then, lets get started :) | 20:02 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | no joke.. the sun has peeked out | 20:03 |
| shardy | #topic review last weeks actions | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-11-20.00.html | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #info randallburt to move Rackspace resources to /contrib directory | 20:03 |
| shardy | So this is posted as a draft review: | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | howdy | 20:04 |
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| sdake_ | @linuxcon but in time for the meeting | 20:04 |
| radix | randall is unfortunately out sick again today | 20:04 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46410/ | 20:05 |
| shardy | radix: OK, well I think, as mentioned in the review, that we need more details about the test issues he's encountering | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | Draft is a sucky feature, it should be marked as WIP | 20:05 |
| shardy | so if randallburt is not around lets move on | 20:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: agree | 20:05 |
| radix | I recall he said that it had to do with python path. | 20:05 |
| radix | but that's all I know | 20:06 |
| MikeSpreitzer | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cR3Fw9QPDVnqp4pMSusMwqNuB_6t-t_neFqgXA98-Ls | 20:06 |
| MikeSpreitzer | woops | 20:06 |
| MikeSpreitzer | wrong paste | 20:06 |
| shardy | radix: I think moving it from /contrib to heat/contrib may solve that | 20:07 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I can't follow your link to review | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | MikeSpreitzer: thats because it is a private draft | 20:07 |
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| * stevebaker remembers *why* it is a sucky feature | 20:08 | |
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| shardy | #action randallburt to repost review as WIP not draft | 20:08 |
| shardy | #topic RC1 Bug status | 20:08 |
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| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:08 |
| shardy | So we're supposed to be getting the list of open bugs down to zero, to cut RC1 | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | ouch | 20:09 |
| shardy | is anyone else getting pretty concerned about the number of bugs? | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | drop all << High now | 20:09 |
| shardy | IMO we need to think about bumping everything non-essential to Icehouse | 20:09 |
| shardy | so please review the list, and @heat-core, set anything you're sure we need to High, or we'll probably defer it | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | way too many medium priority for an rc | 20:10 |
| shardy | btw I think we should stop spending so much time on the properties docs stuff | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | we can probably try to land the in progress ones, but definitely not the ones that haven't been started | 20:10 |
| shardy | it's worthwhile, but there's real bugs (and testing) which I think are more important | 20:10 |
| shardy | thoughts? | 20:10 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: I agree, but we should try to complete the high ones | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | yeah, shall we leave them as medium but only bump them if they are not done? | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | shardy: yeah, all of the High's deserve another week at least. :) | 20:11 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I think the problem is, the trigger for RC1 isn't a date, it's when we reach bugs==0 | 20:11 |
| shardy | so we should be focussing on fixing all the Highs, and testing | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | I feel that we should bump them entirely. If we finish all of the High's, we should focus on test/doc. | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | does the priority for blueprints not also apply to bugs? | 20:12 |
| shardy | and deferring everything else | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:12 |
| shardy | sdake_: we're in Feature Freeze, so no BPs? | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | what i mean is blueprints implemented a new process whereby we decide to accept/defer based upon priority | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | we can do the same with bugs | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | btw if a bug is assigned to someone, but it is not marked as In Progress then I think it is ok to poach. agreed? | 20:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I know you were driving the docs stuff, and I think it's valuable, but do you think deferring some (what isn't in progress) is reasonable? | 20:13 |
| shardy | given the time constraints.. | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes, lets get in what we can | 20:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: agree | 20:13 |
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| radix | I thought we decided that docs could still be worked on post-rc1? | 20:13 |
| radix | and still get into havana? | 20:13 |
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| shardy | radix: they can, probably, but we need to get all the actual bugs fixed for RC1 | 20:14 |
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| radix | yeah, ok | 20:14 |
| shardy | so we can test and find the remaining bugs ;) | 20:14 |
| shardy | Ok I'll defer any non-high bugs tomorrow, and please take any remaining high bugs, as there are a couple unassigned | 20:15 |
| shardy | SpamapS: are you working on bug #1209492 ? | 20:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1209492 in heat "Users can fill up the events table" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1209492 | 20:16 |
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| shardy | Ok, I guess not ;) | 20:17 |
| shardy | anyone else have anything else to raise re RC1 or the Havana release? | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: could you check if https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1214227 is addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43149/ ? | 20:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1214227 in heat "Failure to download TemplateURL in nested stack is never reported" [High,Triaged] | 20:18 |
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| shardy | Ok, lets move on | 20:20 |
| shardy | #topic open discussion | 20:20 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to raise? | 20:20 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Lots | 20:20 |
| therve | Trusts :/ | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to talk blueprint hot-software-config | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: in theory that should address it | 20:20 |
| radix | summit sessions? | 20:20 |
| radix | should we talk about those? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | shardy: who has the talking stick? | 20:20 |
| shardy | Yeah we still need more summit proposals, 9 so far | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | apologies for not responding.. diskimage-builder seems to be deleting peoples' /dev | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | ouch | 20:21 |
| radix | ok I'm going to go create some RIGHT NOW | 20:21 |
| therve | shardy, Don't we have 9 slots? :) | 20:21 |
| shardy | therve: anything specific, other than testing and bug-fixing needed for trusts? | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | So I'm thinking of writing a full spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config to kick of discussion in heat-core on how to implement components. | 20:22 |
| spzala | stevebaker: last I heard, nanji had a good progress on hot-software-config | 20:22 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, I think we'll have a shortlist then pick 9 :) | 20:22 |
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| therve | shardy, I'm trying to debug it. It seems you can't get a token from a token obtained via trusts, and we seem to try to do that | 20:22 |
| shardy | stevebaker: wiki page for software-config would be great, catalyst for summit discussions | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | spzala: yes he has, but I have some issues with how it is currently being modeled, and I'm more than happy for nanjj to continue once a spec has been agreed on | 20:23 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, I started a wiki page some time back: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Software-Configuration-Provider | 20:23 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, so as discussed earlier I may have messed up there, we just have to work out the right fix | 20:23 |
| radix | stevebaker: I would like to see more explanation of why we need "components" as a separate concept from resources | 20:23 |
| spzala | stevebaker: +1 | 20:23 |
| tspatzier | I'd be happy to work with you on that | 20:23 |
| radix | stevebaker: not here in the meeting, just documented somewhere. | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: ok, I'll check it out. But fair warning it will be a slightly different take on what is there currently | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | radix: yes, I'll include a section on that | 20:24 |
| radix | thanks | 20:24 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, that's ok. Good to have some discussion going on this topic | 20:24 |
| shardy | therve: as you're discovering, trusts aren't exactly easy :\ | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | as a related thing, I wrote this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/native-tools-bootstrap-config | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | ...also to provoke discussion - I expect we'll still be talking about this at summit | 20:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: related to that, I think we should have a BP for better cloud-config integration | 20:25 |
| shardy | ie so you can boot instances and customize them with no in instance tools except cloud-init | 20:25 |
| shardy | (which is already somewhat possible, although limited) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | shardy: that wiki page might be exactly that | 20:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: k, cool | 20:25 |
| tspatzier | I think I actually submitted some design session proposals on this :-) | 20:25 |
| shardy | tspatzier: Ok, cool, we're aligned then :) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: yes, we'll need a session | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: could you harvest those links for the minutes? | 20:26 |
| MikeSpreitzer | What about the relationship between heat and the discussions in the nova scheduler group? | 20:26 |
| shardy | tspatzier: I hit bug #1224111 today, if possible can you please take a look? | 20:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224111 in heat "HOT cannot be used as a provider template" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224111 | 20:26 |
| shardy | tspatzier: HOT related, I think I know roughly what needs to be done, but any input appreciated :) | 20:27 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/native-tools-bootstrap-config | 20:27 |
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| tspatzier | shardy, I will have a look. Might get in touch with you on IRC to talk about your initial thoughts if you already have some | 20:28 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: Ok, thanks, basically we need template_resource resources parameters mangled in the same way as HOT resource properties | 20:29 |
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| tspatzier | shardy, ok thanks. I'll check that out. | 20:29 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Software-Configuration-Provider | 20:30 |
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| radix | so is the plan to decide what to talk about *at* the summit? or will there be voting beforehand? | 20:30 |
| shardy | stevebaker: were those all the links? | 20:30 |
| radix | (or whatever decision-making process) | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: yes, thanks | 20:31 |
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| shardy | radix: we'll vote in one of these meetings shortly before summit | 20:31 |
| radix | ok cool | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | radix: not voting beforehand, just discussion and an attempt at concensus | 20:31 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Any answers about cross-stack references? | 20:31 |
| radix | sounds good to me | 20:31 |
| shardy | radix: yeah, sorry s/vote/discuss | 20:31 |
| radix | MikeSpreitzer: sorry I haven't been following it | 20:32 |
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| shardy | get conesensus then I approve | 20:32 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, on the software config thing: once you have a look at the wiki page I started and think we need to start over radically different, let's get in touch and work on a common page. I want to avoid having multiple conflicting/competing pages. | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: sounds good, maybe etherpad rather than wiki for a start | 20:32 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, makes sense. Or there is also an attached discussion page. Whatever you think is best | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer | (I should be waiting for shardy to direct our attention, right?) | 20:34 |
| shardy | Ok, any other topics anyone wants to raise? | 20:34 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yes | 20:34 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: this is open discussion, so go for it ;) | 20:34 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I have been having some discussion with scheduler folks that I think is relevant to heat too | 20:35 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | Not sure how many of you follow both. | 20:35 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I've been following that, there's definitely a discussion to be had at summit | 20:35 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I've been following your openstack-dev posts | 20:35 |
| MikeSpreitzer | My interest is in holistic scheduling, I think it is relevant to both communities | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | MikeSpreitzer: is this the placement patch which didn't make feature freeze? | 20:35 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | No, I'm not that close to a patch | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:36 |
| therve | MikeSpreitzer, I'm not sure how much it impacts Heat to be honest | 20:36 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm looking for a bit of consensus on architecture. | 20:36 |
| therve | Nova should grow some features | 20:36 |
| therve | We'll be able to use them once it's exposed | 20:36 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Holistic scheduling is about scheduling a whole template at once, including all resources of all types potentially… that does not sound like nova to me. | 20:37 |
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| radix | I can maybe see a reason to separate out the scheduler to be more generally useful in other contexts... maybe | 20:37 |
| therve | Okay | 20:37 |
| MikeSpreitzer | (I qualify "potentially" because some scheduling can and should be deferred to lower silos — when it has no interactions with other scheduling) | 20:37 |
| radix | but I have not thought much about it | 20:37 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I think if the nova scheduler has to start caring about dependencies (between instances) then the logic should be in Heat | 20:37 |
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| radix | some concrete use cases would be nice | 20:38 |
| shardy | but if it's "just" placement hints, then nova seems like an OK place to do it | 20:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yes, I think there is a need here for something that is prior to nova/cinder/neutron/... | 20:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Hadoop is one | 20:38 |
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| shardy | otoh I did voice conerns about scope creep of this feature at the Havana summit.. | 20:38 |
| shardy | (nova group scheduling) | 20:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer | You want some VMs placed near each other, and Cinder volumes placed near them (if you are using direct attached storage) | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | MikeSpreitzer: so each api would need to take scheduler hints? Our native resources can use whatever gets exposed in the api | 20:39 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yes, each resource API should have a way to be told what the placement should be. In fact, many already do. | 20:40 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | The nova group scheduling is explicitly intended to be the basis for more development, but I think what we really need is not Compute specific | 20:41 |
| therve | The fact is, we can't do anything about placement without support from the underlying projects | 20:41 |
| MikeSpreitzer | of course | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | MikeSpreitzer: so unless heat has to interact directly with a scheduler, this doesn't seem too controversial from a heat point of view | 20:42 |
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| shardy | It could even make life easier, ie implement ServerGroup resource which can automatically span compute nodes, instead of trying to do it ourselves in InstanceGroup | 20:43 |
| MikeSpreitzer | A holistic scheduler is something that would logically be prior to heat, if heat is merely infrastructure orchestration. OTOH, if Heat grows to include software coordination, that is something that should be prior to holistic infrastructure scheduling. | 20:43 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: do you have a link to a wiki page describing your vision of this? | 20:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer | So holistic infrastructure scheduling would go in the middle of an expanded heat. | 20:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hQQGHId-z1A5LOipnBXFhsU3VAMQdSe-UXvL4VPY4ps/edit# | 20:44 |
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| shardy | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hQQGHId-z1A5LOipnBXFhsU3VAMQdSe-UXvL4VPY4ps/edit# | 20:45 |
| MikeSpreitzer | That's something I threw together before yesterday's scheduler meeting, expecting it to mainly provide pictures to talk to. It is not good as a standalone doc. | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | ok, we'll take a look. thanks | 20:45 |
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| jasond` | regarding the multi-engine design, i'm thinking about implementing a locking abstraction that will use a database lock by default (option 1 at https://etherpad.openstack.org/vJKcZcQOU9) but have an optional zookeeper driver that can be used for production deployments (option 4 at https://etherpad.openstack.org/vJKcZcQOU9). this would keep ZK out of the dependencies, which was the major objection to it. any thoughts? | 20:46 |
| MikeSpreitzer | As I said, it does not stand up to independent study too well. I cited it as a response to a request for pictures. | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | jasond`: sounds good | 20:46 |
| shardy | jasond`: sounds like we may need another summit session on this ;) | 20:47 |
| jasond` | shardy: i won't be at the summit :/ | 20:47 |
| jasond` | but randall should be able to discuss it | 20:48 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm lost, to what does that etherpad respond or elaborate? | 20:48 |
| radix | summit all the things! | 20:48 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: allowing use of multiple heat-engine processes | 20:48 |
| shardy | jasond`: that's unfortunate :( | 20:48 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | I mean, is there a blueprint or something for that? | 20:49 |
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| jasond` | MikeSpreitzer: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multiple-engines | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | MikeSpreitzer: it is a discussion of options for a race condition bug | 20:49 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK, I'll look into that. | 20:49 |
| kebray | jasond still worth you submitting the session topic :-) we'll let Randall proxy for you as speaker. shardy, it's travel budget. it's really unfortunate. I'd send all my devs if I could. | 20:50 |
| jasond` | MikeSpreitzer: feel free to update the etherpad with any comments | 20:50 |
| jasond` | kebray: sure, i'll submit it | 20:50 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Anyway, if you folks are agreeing with the outline of [software coordination -> holistic infrastructure scheduling -> infrastructure orchestration -> lowlevel APIs] then I am happy. | 20:50 |
| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multiple-engines | 20:50 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/vJKcZcQOU9 | 20:51 |
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| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I think we need more information (and/or to read your doc) | 20:51 |
| MikeSpreitzer | As I said, the doc is not great, I was expecting mainly discussion. | 20:51 |
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| radix | MikeSpreitzer: try writing up something a bit more holistic that we can look at maybe | 20:52 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | OK | 20:52 |
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| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I'll review the doc, but I think what's needed is a top-level overview at this point, perhaps create a wiki page in wiki.openstack.org? | 20:52 |
| radix | yeah, agreed with shardy | 20:52 |
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| shardy | Ok, 8 mins, anything else anyone wants to raise? | 20:53 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK. The hardest part is going to be knowing where to stop. There is a lot to say, and I have not worked it all out. | 20:53 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | Well, I have this little question about cross-stack references | 20:54 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: I replied to your ML post earlier | 20:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Suppose you create a stack that implements a shared service, and then later create a stack that uses the service … | 20:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer | the response about nested stacks? I mean stacks that are separate, not nested. | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | yes, this will not be an unusual scenario | 20:55 |
| shardy | I think you'd still take the output of one and feed it in as a parameter to another, no? | 20:56 |
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| shardy | only via the API rather than an internal reference? | 20:56 |
| shardy | (template-internal) | 20:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer | That might be an approach... | 20:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer | it would mean using IDs from the lower layers, rather than referring to things by their template names | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | yes, refs for most resources are their uuids | 20:57 |
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| kebray | MikeSpreitzer not sure I fully understand... but, wondering if this is similar to a use case I care about, creating (or adding to) a stack resources that already exist, just by passing in their IDs. | 20:57 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yes, I think it is related. | 20:58 |
| shardy | MikeSpreitzer: atm I think it's the only approach, but yeah you could maybe allow HOT's get_attr to optionally take a stack ID | 20:58 |
| kebray | So, doing create resource with creating the resource :-) | 20:58 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Let me elaborate a little on my case... | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | only 2 minutes left, this should be moved to #heat | 20:58 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK | 20:59 |
| shardy | Yup, time's up, thanks all! | 20:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-18-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-18-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-18-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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